The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1900

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00:00:12.000 And we're up, Steve-o.

00:00:15.000 What's happening, my brother?

00:00:16.000 Yeah, dude.

00:00:17.000 Good to see you.

00:00:18.000 Good to see you, too, man.

00:00:19.000 It's been a long time.

00:00:21.000 Every time I see you, I'm just happy you're in one piece.

00:00:23.000 Just happy everything's working.

00:00:26.000 Yeah.

00:00:26.000 I can't believe it.

00:00:27.000 All the people that have gotten fucked up doing the things that you do, you're out there fucking moving around like normal.

00:00:33.000 Right, I'm thriving.

00:00:35.000 And it hasn't been so long.

00:00:37.000 I see you at the fights all the time.

00:00:38.000 Yeah, all the time.

00:00:39.000 Yeah.

00:00:40.000 Man, it's crazy.

00:00:41.000 I just got so hooked on that.

00:00:44.000 Yeah, it's the most exciting live experience you could ever encounter.

00:00:49.000 For sure.

00:00:50.000 I really believe that.

00:00:51.000 And dude, how about this last card?

00:00:53.000 I think it was one of the most first round knockouts ever.

00:00:58.000 Seven.

00:00:59.000 Yeah, it was pretty crazy.

00:01:01.000 First round stoppages.

00:01:02.000 It was a wild card, man.

00:01:05.000 Wild card.

00:01:06.000 Yeah.

00:01:07.000 I was on an airplane at the time that it was happening.

00:01:11.000 And, you know, a lot of the time I'm on stage doing my show when the fights are happening.

00:01:17.000 And in those situations, like, I will move my Instagram app off the, like, front screen of my phone.

00:01:26.000 So you can't see?

00:01:27.000 Yeah, because I'll just inadvertently, like, just because, like, muscle memory, I'll open Instagram, and when it opens, I'll be like, no!

00:01:33.000 Like, I'll find out what happened.

00:01:35.000 So I'll move my fucking Instagram off the top page, and then...

00:01:41.000 Just make sure that I don't find anything out and then I'll go onto the video on demand after the fact and watch it all.

00:01:48.000 Yeah, the Wi-Fi on a plane is not quite good enough, right?

00:01:51.000 You can't really stream it on a plane, can you?

00:01:55.000 In some cases, YouTube will work fine sometimes.

00:02:00.000 But in this case, I was on an Air Canada flight, so I didn't even have Wi-Fi.

00:02:05.000 It's wood-powered Wi-Fi.

00:02:08.000 Yeah.

00:02:09.000 And when they made the move to ESPN Plus, or ESPN, It was driving me crazy because I'd get back to my hotel room after my shows, and I'd go to the On Demand,

00:02:25.000 and the thumbnail for the event would be a guy like celebrating, you know?

00:02:33.000 I'm like, the whole fucking reason that I'm here is because anybody going to the video On Demand, and the thumbnail would give it away.

00:02:41.000 So I messaged Dana.

00:02:43.000 I'm like, dude, this is driving me crazy.

00:02:45.000 And he's like...

00:02:47.000 I got the, you know, the number one at ESPN, the number two at Disney's on it, and then they just got fixed.

00:02:56.000 Oh, really?

00:02:56.000 You fixed it?

00:02:58.000 Congratulations!

00:02:59.000 Thanks.

00:03:00.000 That's actually a very wise solution.

00:03:03.000 You really shouldn't have that.

00:03:05.000 Right.

00:03:05.000 Because everybody who doesn't get a chance to see it live, they want to go to it and just watch it.

00:03:10.000 Right.

00:03:11.000 Now the remaining problem is that they break out Like, all the fights individually.

00:03:18.000 So you see the duration.

00:03:21.000 There's a little time code.

00:03:23.000 That's an issue, yeah.

00:03:24.000 Yeah, so you know if it...

00:03:27.000 You just gotta not look at that.

00:03:28.000 Right.

00:03:29.000 I blur my eyes and like...

00:03:31.000 But yeah, it's crazy, man.

00:03:33.000 I'm a super fan, dude.

00:03:37.000 I literally watch every fight.

00:03:39.000 Yeah, obviously I'm a giant fan.

00:03:42.000 That Stylebender fight, how crazy was that?

00:03:44.000 Really crazy.

00:03:45.000 Dude, the way he responded to that loss is better than anybody ever.

00:03:49.000 The dude shows up at the press conference with a fucking fur coat like a king.

00:03:54.000 With his dope-ass watch on and just says, he got me, you know?

00:03:58.000 I mean, he basically said, the hunter is now the hunted.

00:04:02.000 I'm coming after him.

00:04:03.000 I'm gonna find a way to beat that dude.

00:04:04.000 I was on my way to beating him and he got him.

00:04:07.000 And he was honest about all of it, about how Pejera landed a bunch of calf kicks early on and it fucked up his leg and couldn't move, right?

00:04:15.000 Perennial nerves.

00:04:17.000 Yeah.

00:04:18.000 Those calf kicks have changed the fucking game.

00:04:22.000 I was talking to Michael Bisping, who was UFC champion, and he said that literally he got through his entire career before the calf kick came along, which is so wild when you think about that.

00:04:33.000 Right.

00:04:33.000 I mean, he got through his whole career before the calf kick emerged.

00:04:40.000 Which is insane to think of, that this one area of the leg to kick, the only person that had ever really done it before that was Benson Henderson was pretty good to doing it, and Mighty Mouse had done it to Henry Cejudo, and it happened to Michael Chandler and Bellator,

00:04:56.000 but it wasn't a staple.

00:04:59.000 Everybody had to do it, and now everyone has to do it, and it just takes one or two shots and your leg is fucked.

00:05:05.000 Yeah.

00:05:08.000 And with the stoppage, too, on this Izzy fight, I thought it wasn't a bad stoppage, but at the same time, it was impressive how Izzy said, in the moment,

00:05:25.000 I thought it was a bad stoppage, but then my coach and my manager, they said it was fine, and I trust them, and so it's all good.

00:05:34.000 Well, I don't think Pejeta was gonna stop.

00:05:37.000 He had more time.

00:05:39.000 Izzy was stationary and Pejeta was gonna hit him some big shots.

00:05:43.000 We don't need to see Izzy with his eyes rolled back behind his head flat out unconscious.

00:05:49.000 I think it was a good stoppage.

00:05:51.000 I agree.

00:05:52.000 I agree that it was a good stoppage and I could see where Izzy would be Like, upset about it.

00:06:01.000 I could see where he would be upset about it too.

00:06:04.000 And I could see where other fights have gone on longer.

00:06:06.000 And they have, but it's a subjective call.

00:06:08.000 And Mark Goddard is one of the very best in the world.

00:06:11.000 He's top two or three.

00:06:13.000 He might be number two.

00:06:14.000 You know, I think Herb Dean's number one.

00:06:17.000 Big John McCarthy doesn't ref anymore.

00:06:19.000 He was always in that same spot.

00:06:21.000 It's like there's a few guys that are the elite of the elite of referees and Mark Goddard is surely right there.

00:06:28.000 Very few bad calls or even questionable calls.

00:06:31.000 I don't think I've ever seen him make a bad call.

00:06:33.000 Right.

00:06:34.000 To your point, I think that Izzy just handled that.

00:06:37.000 Like a fucking king.

00:06:39.000 Yeah.

00:06:40.000 Like a king.

00:06:41.000 Yeah.

00:06:41.000 You know, and he was saying, bring back Steve Mazzagatti.

00:06:46.000 Because Steve Mazzagatti was a referee that was famous for letting fights go way too long.

00:06:52.000 Oh, that?

00:06:53.000 Yeah.

00:06:54.000 Like in Brazil.

00:06:56.000 Was that him?

00:06:57.000 I don't know.

00:06:58.000 I don't know which fight you're talking about.

00:06:59.000 Yeah, there was some really, really bad one.

00:07:02.000 There was some...

00:07:03.000 Well, I think that was Mario Yamasaki.

00:07:05.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:07:06.000 He doesn't do him for the UFC anymore either.

00:07:09.000 But Mazzagatti was kind of famous for that for whatever reason, whether it's justified or not.

00:07:14.000 But it was just hilarious that Izzy was saying, bring back Steve Mazzagatti.

00:07:18.000 Yeah.

00:07:19.000 And then he went on Andrew Schultz's podcast on Monday.

00:07:23.000 Yeah.

00:07:23.000 So he was on Schultz's podcast Monday.

00:07:25.000 They were drinking, having fun, and, you know, he handled it very, very well.

00:07:29.000 Yep.

00:07:30.000 Ben Askren has handled defeat very well, too.

00:07:34.000 Yes, he did.

00:07:34.000 Yeah.

00:07:35.000 I mean, especially that one to Jorge Masvidal, because that was a crazy one.

00:07:41.000 It's fucking the game they play, man.

00:07:44.000 Izzy knocked a lot of fucking people unconscious.

00:07:49.000 Izzy put it on everybody in the division.

00:07:51.000 And the thing is, when you are a specialist, Like, if your specialty is wrestling and then all of a sudden you're facing an Olympic gold medalist, you're like, fuck.

00:08:00.000 Because, like, there's people that are better than you at your specialty.

00:08:04.000 Right.

00:08:05.000 And at least on paper, Alex Pajera is one of the best kickboxers of all time.

00:08:12.000 I still think Izzy is technically a better striker.

00:08:16.000 Because Izzy is just so...

00:08:19.000 He's so clever and sophisticated and he doesn't have the kind of power that Pejera has.

00:08:26.000 But Pejera is very technically good too.

00:08:29.000 He just has a different thing that he relies on.

00:08:31.000 He just has that nuclear option and he relies on that a lot and it paid off.

00:08:38.000 And it paid off with him against Izzy twice.

00:08:42.000 And one time he won by a decision, which if I go back and watch that kickboxing fight, I do not agree with that decision.

00:08:47.000 And the second fight with kickboxing, it was a kind of shady situation because Izzy was winning and Izzy had him fucked up and they gave him a standing eight count, which they can do in kickboxing.

00:08:58.000 And they allowed him to recover and then he went back and he knocked out Izzy.

00:09:02.000 And then this one, down 3-1, going into the fifth and he puts it on him.

00:09:07.000 Yeah, that was some Usman shit.

00:09:09.000 Listen, man, it was more dramatic, honestly.

00:09:15.000 I shouldn't say that, because the Usman thing was last minute, Leon lands that perfect head kick.

00:09:20.000 It was one shot.

00:09:22.000 This was, you know, like, is he going to get him?

00:09:24.000 Oh my god, he's hurt, he's hurt, he's hurt.

00:09:26.000 And for Pajera, I mean, that was, what a Cinderella story.

00:09:30.000 I mean, that guy...

00:09:32.000 Came from kickboxing, was the only two division, he was holding two division champion simultaneously.

00:09:41.000 So he was the 185 pound champion and the 205 pound champion.

00:09:46.000 Simultaneously.

00:09:47.000 And was knocking people into another dimension in kickboxing.

00:09:51.000 You watch his highlight reel, it's fucking sensational.

00:09:55.000 He's putting together a pretty sweet highlight reel in the UFC. Oh my god.

00:09:58.000 He's a monster.

00:10:00.000 He really is a monster.

00:10:01.000 He's so big for the weight class, which really wears you out, that weight cut.

00:10:07.000 That's a big weight cut.

00:10:09.000 And with wrestling, He's going to have issues, because he's not a grappler, that's not his forte, and he's getting better at grappling, but that was when Izzy takes you down and Izzy controls you on the ground, and Izzy's not, that's not his forte either.

00:10:23.000 I wondered, is someone going to shoot?

00:10:26.000 Is someone going to try to take it to the ground?

00:10:29.000 But to see Izzy do it, well, to see Pajada do it first, he did it at the end of the second, and then to see Izzy do it to him and control him and beat him up, I was like, wow.

00:10:41.000 I mean, he had his back, he was pummeling him.

00:10:43.000 Yep, the hooks.

00:10:44.000 Yeah, man.

00:10:45.000 It was a wild fight.

00:10:46.000 And for sure they're going to fight again.

00:10:48.000 I mean, I hope so.

00:10:50.000 Right.

00:10:50.000 I don't know if they go straight to it, but...

00:10:53.000 The thing is, like, Pajera, like, his wrestling is going to be an issue.

00:10:58.000 Like, he's got to really figure out a way to...

00:11:00.000 But that was an issue with Izzy, too, early in Izzy's career.

00:11:04.000 And he had to figure out how to tighten that up, and he did.

00:11:06.000 I mean, Pejera came in, like what, like they said, they were saying he was like 220 pounds?

00:11:13.000 He could have been, yeah, he could have been.

00:11:15.000 I mean, he certainly gets above that in between fights, and he has a hard time making 185. Ah, man, I wonder, like, this is a question I've been dying to ask.

00:11:26.000 What do you think about if, like, when the fighters, they're putting on the Vaseline, you know, they're getting checked out by the ref, right?

00:11:36.000 What if they were standing on a scale at that point?

00:11:39.000 So that it was transparent.

00:11:41.000 You could actually know, compared to what they weighed in at, and then when they actually step into the octagon for the fight.

00:11:49.000 They do that for some boxing matches.

00:11:51.000 They'll let you know what the guy's weighing when he steps into the ring.

00:11:55.000 Yeah, I mean, it's a bullshit thing.

00:11:58.000 It's basically sanctioned cheating.

00:11:59.000 It really is, but everybody does it.

00:12:01.000 But Izzy barely does it.

00:12:03.000 When Izzy went up to fight Jan Bohovic at light heavyweight, he weighed 194. Right.

00:12:08.000 Which is crazy, because Bohovic is a giant light heavyweight.

00:12:12.000 I mean, Bohovic is a big, powerful guy at light heavyweight, and Izzy didn't gain any weight.

00:12:18.000 Right, because Izzy figured that if he put on a bunch of weight to go up a weight class, that he might lose his speed.

00:12:25.000 Well, you also have muscles that need oxygen, and you might lose some of your endurance, and a big part of his game is not just speed, it's movement.

00:12:33.000 And you don't want to have a smaller gas tank when you're fighting a guy who's just a murderous power striker like Bohovic is.

00:12:41.000 Because Bohovic puts people in another dimension, man.

00:12:44.000 That motherfucker hits so hard.

00:12:46.000 The last thing you want to do is be standing in front of that guy.

00:12:50.000 Right.

00:12:51.000 Of course, the story of the Blachowicz fight was all wrestling, that he held him down.

00:12:57.000 And so when Pehera came in weighing what looked like 220 pounds...

00:13:02.000 He looks like a light heavyweight.

00:13:03.000 He really does.

00:13:04.000 Right.

00:13:04.000 And then I was wondering, oh, well, are we going to see him hold Izzy down the way Blachowicz did?

00:13:11.000 Yeah, but that's not his style.

00:13:13.000 His style is murderous striker.

00:13:16.000 He's a legitimate descendant of Amazon tribesmen.

00:13:21.000 Like, no bullshit.

00:13:23.000 Really, his family comes from the Amazon.

00:13:27.000 Poeton, I'm not sure what language it is, what's the language called, but that's hands of stone in his language.

00:13:35.000 That dude is fucking special.

00:13:38.000 He's so scary.

00:13:39.000 And if he fucking learns how to wrestle, and he learns how to take people down too, I mean, if he gets really good at that, and gets good at stuffing the takedowns and makes people stand with him...

00:13:49.000 Goddamn, man.

00:13:51.000 He's so powerful for that weight class.

00:13:54.000 So powerful.

00:13:55.000 And I mean, even at 205, he's fucking powerful.

00:13:58.000 Like, when he was fighting kickboxing, when he was going up to 205, he was nuking people at 205. With big gloves!

00:14:04.000 Yeah.

00:14:05.000 He's a terrifying dude.

00:14:07.000 So when you get a specialist like Izzy, who's just a specialist kickboxer, worst case scenario is the best kickboxer in the world enters into MMA, and that's what happened.

00:14:18.000 I mean, you can make an argument that he's certainly the best kickboxer in the world at 185 pounds.

00:14:25.000 He lost to Vahitov in his last fight in kickboxing, but Vahitov is...

00:14:30.000 The cream of the crop.

00:14:32.000 And Vaitov is super, super technical, and it was a split decision.

00:14:35.000 It was a very, very, very close fight.

00:14:37.000 So that was his last kickboxing bout in glory.

00:14:41.000 Other than that, the other elite guys in kickboxing that were supposed to fight in MMA, one of them is Cedric Dumbay.

00:14:50.000 And I've had Cedric on the podcast before, and he's another dude.

00:14:53.000 He's a fucking real problem if he gets into MMA. And he's been taking his time and learning wrestling, and he went down to AKA and trained with those guys for a while.

00:15:01.000 But he had some sort of an issue, a medical issue, in how to pull out of his fight in France.

00:15:06.000 He was supposed to have his UFC debut, and now I think he said he was in some sort of a dispute with Glory, because they're kind of upset that he's leaving Glory and going over to the UFC. I hope he gets over there because that's another guy that like all those dudes at 170 that like to strike like good fucking luck Good luck with that guy Yeah.

00:15:26.000 Because he's a motherfucker.

00:15:28.000 And he's a motherfucker against strikers.

00:15:31.000 Like, when you get a world champion striker who enters into MMA, all fights start on the feet, man.

00:15:36.000 They all start in an advantageous position.

00:15:39.000 It's like if you're fighting a grappler and all fights start on the ground.

00:15:42.000 Like, every fight started with that dude on top of you.

00:15:45.000 That'd be terrifying, right?

00:15:46.000 Well, that's what it is.

00:15:48.000 Like, all fights start standing up.

00:15:51.000 Well, with kickboxing, Like, I mean, I'm not really familiar with where you even watch kickboxing.

00:15:58.000 Glory, you got to go to the, Glory has, most of their shows are on the web.

00:16:04.000 And you could go to, I think it's fight, I think it's f-i-t-e dot com, or it's glorykickboxing.com, and there's a link to it, and you could stream it.

00:16:16.000 What I usually do is I get it on my phone, and then I use the Apple app, and I stream it to my television through Apple TV. Does that mean that there's not like a ton of money for kickboxing?

00:16:28.000 There's not as much money in kickboxing, no.

00:16:31.000 Glory is the biggest organization for kickboxing in the world and they put on phenomenal fights and I'm a giant fan of the organization.

00:16:38.000 But it's weird to me that boxing got so popular in the United States and around the world and MMA got so popular in the United States and around the world but kickboxing never really caught on here.

00:16:52.000 It doesn't make any sense because it's so exciting.

00:16:55.000 When you watch guys that are like high-level like Cedric Dumbay or Alex Pajera or Vahitov, these fucking world-class kickboxers are so exciting.

00:17:05.000 It's not like a bad product.

00:17:06.000 The product is sensational.

00:17:09.000 We see people dying in boxing and we don't see people dying in MMA. Knock on wood.

00:17:19.000 Right.

00:17:20.000 I have a theory about that, that it's about the gloves.

00:17:26.000 Because if you take football, back in the day when they had just a little leather helmet.

00:17:33.000 Back then, people wouldn't hit their heads so much because they had a little fucking leather helmet on.

00:17:41.000 But then now in modern football, you've got this crazy helmet that lets you bash your head around with seeming impunity.

00:17:53.000 And because of that, people are hitting their heads so much more.

00:17:56.000 And as a result, they've got all this CTE going on.

00:18:00.000 That's a real theory shared by other people as well.

00:18:03.000 So yeah, with boxing, these humongous gloves, it's like, oh, you can throw your fists around with impunity, but then that's why.

00:18:14.000 Yeah, well, there's a lot of thought to that.

00:18:17.000 Also, there's only one option.

00:18:19.000 That option is to punch.

00:18:21.000 You can't clinch.

00:18:23.000 You can't take people down.

00:18:25.000 Kick and stay on the outside.

00:18:27.000 You have to stay inside a boxing range because that's the only sport you're playing.

00:18:31.000 There's a lot of thought to that about the big gloves, too, is that there's a lot more thudding.

00:18:37.000 Right.

00:18:37.000 And the thing that people don't understand about head injuries is that, like, CTE in particular, you don't have to get knocked unconscious to get it.

00:18:46.000 Right.

00:18:46.000 Repeated small blows can give you CTE. In fact, there's some soccer players that get CTE. Right.

00:18:54.000 When I think about that, I, uh...

00:18:58.000 The...

00:19:01.000 Way back when, before I got sober, I had this tour.

00:19:05.000 It was called the Don't Try This At Home Tour.

00:19:07.000 And I would promote every show by saying, I will be drunk and on drugs, or your money back.

00:19:16.000 And I'm in it!

00:19:17.000 And you watched me get...

00:19:19.000 What year was this?

00:19:20.000 It started in 2001, and I ran that until 2005. And you would just watch me get completely hammered on stage, like pounding tequila and shit.

00:19:33.000 When I came out on stage, I would walk out with a suitcase of Budweiser cans, and I'd toss some out of the crowd.

00:19:42.000 And I would take the can, I'd start out with one, and I would just bash my head with it until the can exploded.

00:19:50.000 And I'd be particularly proud if the can broke into two separate pieces.

00:19:56.000 After I broke the one can, then I would take out two cans, one in each hand, and go back and forth and break both of them.

00:20:07.000 Every show I would break three beers over my head.

00:20:11.000 I would do that every night.

00:20:16.000 What I understand about the CTE phenomenon is that you're absolutely right.

00:20:21.000 It's not about how hard you get hit, it's the accumulation of lots of little hits, and that's why football is the biggest one.

00:20:28.000 Did you suffer anything from that?

00:20:30.000 The worst part was then, after I got sober, I started doing stand-up.

00:20:36.000 Initially, there was a period where I would do it with sparkling water cans.

00:20:42.000 And you were doing it still?

00:20:43.000 You were still beating yourself in the head?

00:20:45.000 I did it for a little while.

00:20:48.000 How many times do you think you've beaten yourself in the head?

00:20:50.000 How many shows?

00:20:51.000 If you had to count them all up.

00:20:54.000 Hundreds.

00:20:55.000 Hundreds?

00:20:56.000 Oh my god.

00:20:57.000 Right.

00:20:57.000 And I mean, as far as I can tell, I'm in pretty good shape.

00:21:02.000 Tony Hawk told me one time, he says that he found out with regard to CTE that there's a gene which will make you predisposed to Alzheimer's disease.

00:21:18.000 APOE4, yeah.

00:21:19.000 And if you have that gene, then you're very much at risk for CTE. But if you don't have that gene, you're considerably less at risk.

00:21:30.000 And he said that when he found that out, he went and got the test and determined that he did not have that gene.

00:21:37.000 And when I heard that, I kind of chewed on it for a while.

00:21:43.000 It was kind of nagging at me, and I ended up reaching back out to Tony.

00:21:48.000 I said, hey, Tony, about that test, what was your plan if you did have the gene?

00:21:55.000 You can't unmute yourself in the head, you know?

00:21:59.000 And he's like, oh, well, I didn't have a plan.

00:22:01.000 Well, how can you have a plan after the fact, right?

00:22:03.000 Right, exactly.

00:22:04.000 But so I'm like, I don't want to fucking go take that test.

00:22:07.000 I don't want to know if I have that goddamn gene or not.

00:22:09.000 Well, if it's been this many years afterwards, you're not suffering, you probably don't have that gene.

00:22:14.000 I also went to like and now of course famously the whole CTE phenomenon you can't find out if you have it until you've died and they've like I think they can tell now oh yeah I think there's a new way that they can tell before you die but it used to be that they had to wait and do an autopsy on you right well I went to some like brain specialist kind of guy Were you having problems?

00:22:40.000 No.

00:22:41.000 I just went because I was interested.

00:22:43.000 And Dr. Drew sent me to this guy.

00:22:47.000 It was actually when I was trying to get cauliflower ear as part of my multimedia comedy.

00:22:58.000 And I remember telling you too that I was like, I'm going to do a crazy bit and I try to get cauliflower ear.

00:23:05.000 And I remember you telling me You were like, nope, I don't support that.

00:23:09.000 He said, I think the cauliflower ear is something that should be earned.

00:23:15.000 I remember thinking, oh well, I became buddies with Chuck Liddell.

00:23:22.000 Chuck Liddell and I got together.

00:23:24.000 We made the fucking funniest, craziest video of him trying to get...

00:23:33.000 I made this helmet.

00:23:35.000 I designed this helmet that left my ears sticking out to protect my head from head shots.

00:23:42.000 A little bit.

00:23:43.000 And my ears sticking out.

00:23:46.000 Chuck Liddell fucking sets a golf ball on my ear and fucking whacks it off for the golf club.

00:23:54.000 Did you get cauliflower ear?

00:23:56.000 No.

00:23:57.000 Then we'd spend two days with Chuck trying to do it.

00:24:03.000 And it just didn't work.

00:24:05.000 Then I got together with Ronda Rousey and was on the mats with her and she's like, hurry and Travis.

00:24:11.000 Just like roughing up my ear all day long.

00:24:14.000 And they're looking at my ear.

00:24:17.000 They're like, dude, we got it.

00:24:18.000 That's it.

00:24:19.000 You know, we got it.

00:24:20.000 And then it just went away.

00:24:21.000 Then I got together with Jorge Masvidal.

00:24:24.000 He put his BMF belt over my ear and he's just like punching it against a door.

00:24:33.000 And he's like, dude, that's it.

00:24:35.000 Right there, man.

00:24:36.000 That's cauliflower.

00:24:37.000 We got it.

00:24:38.000 And then I got together with Jon Jones.

00:24:44.000 You're such a glutton for punishment.

00:24:47.000 I had the who's who of the UFC Hall of Fame give their best shot.

00:24:51.000 And everybody said, dude, we got it.

00:24:54.000 And then it didn't work.

00:24:55.000 Dude, John Jones blasted my ear into oblivion.

00:24:58.000 Like, with a...

00:25:01.000 He took what at the time was his current light heavyweight belt.

00:25:06.000 And like...

00:25:08.000 Oh yeah, there we go.

00:25:12.000 Oh Jesus Christ.

00:25:13.000 And he's hammering your ear?

00:25:15.000 Dude.

00:25:16.000 Oh my God.

00:25:17.000 He so upsettingly overdid it that my ear got...

00:25:22.000 Got blasted apart.

00:25:24.000 And you still didn't get cauliflower.

00:25:26.000 Oh God, it's so bloody.

00:25:30.000 Oh my God, dude.

00:25:32.000 What the fuck?

00:25:33.000 We're not putting that up in the kitchen.

00:25:34.000 Did you get that?

00:25:35.000 You just chipped it off?

00:25:36.000 You didn't get stitched up?

00:25:37.000 You just cut that little piece off?

00:25:39.000 I just chopped it off.

00:25:40.000 Oh no.

00:25:41.000 With scissors.

00:25:42.000 Yeah.

00:25:42.000 So you have like the Evander Holyfield.

00:25:45.000 Like when Tyson bit Holyfield's ear?

00:25:47.000 Right.

00:25:48.000 Dude, that was an idea that I pitched for Jackass, like, multiple times.

00:25:52.000 I was like, do I want, like, Mike Tyson to bite a chumbo?

00:25:56.000 Oh, no!

00:25:57.000 Oh, my God.

00:25:59.000 You know he's selling gummies now of ears?

00:26:01.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:26:01.000 For sure.

00:26:02.000 He's selling weed gummies of ears.

00:26:04.000 Dude, Mike is so classic, dude.

00:26:06.000 He's the best.

00:26:07.000 I fucking love him.

00:26:08.000 I saw him at the fights.

00:26:10.000 When that guy gets a pop, when they show him on the screen, everybody goes nuts.

00:26:15.000 How about fucking Patty the Batty?

00:26:17.000 Yeah, man.

00:26:17.000 Can you even believe?

00:26:19.000 Well, he's a character.

00:26:20.000 You know, people get really attracted to characters.

00:26:23.000 Like Molly McCann, same thing.

00:26:26.000 More so when Patty the Batty kind of just showed up and exploded.

00:26:33.000 Molly exploded with him.

00:26:34.000 Yeah.

00:26:35.000 Well, they trained together.

00:26:35.000 Yeah.

00:26:36.000 Right.

00:26:36.000 But, you know, also she had some pretty spectacular performances and she's a wild character.

00:26:41.000 She gets fucking fired up and jumps around.

00:26:43.000 And I talked to Dave Portnoy.

00:26:45.000 He bet 10 grand on Molly McCann.

00:26:47.000 I was like...

00:26:48.000 This last weekend.

00:26:49.000 Yeah.

00:26:49.000 And he was like, what do you think about that bet?

00:26:51.000 I was like...

00:26:53.000 I'm like, listen, Molly's tough, anything can happen, but Aaron Blanchfield is a fucking assassin.

00:26:59.000 Yeah, that was a tough one to watch, man.

00:27:01.000 That girl's a straight-up killer.

00:27:03.000 You don't see it that...

00:27:05.000 Like, you never see it when both of a fighter's arms are absolutely fucking just out of the equation.

00:27:18.000 Jon Jones done that to people.

00:27:20.000 Roy Nelson used to do that to people all the time.

00:27:23.000 It was a big country.

00:27:24.000 That was his move.

00:27:25.000 He'd get people in a crucifix.

00:27:27.000 A crucifix is a terrible position to be in.

00:27:29.000 Have you ever been stuck there before?

00:27:30.000 By Holly Holm.

00:27:31.000 Oh, really?

00:27:32.000 That's hilarious.

00:27:33.000 You can't get out of it.

00:27:34.000 It's so hard to get out of it.

00:27:35.000 You have to be elite to get out of that.

00:27:38.000 There's a few techniques that you can do to get out of that.

00:27:40.000 The key is you have to get an arm free.

00:27:42.000 You must.

00:27:44.000 First of all, you have to really do your best to never let that arm get trapped like that.

00:27:48.000 But if you're fighting a superior grappler and you get caught like that, And you saw, in a way, that's how Zhang Weili tapped out Carla Esparza.

00:27:58.000 She started off with a crucifix.

00:28:00.000 She started out with a crucifix on her back and then twisted to the rear naked choke and got the choke from that position.

00:28:07.000 It's a terrible position because legs are so much stronger.

00:28:10.000 You know, like when your legs are trapping that arm, that arm's fucked, right?

00:28:14.000 And then the head pins down and traps the other one.

00:28:17.000 And then it's just head and fist and elbows in your face.

00:28:21.000 And you just get fucking noogied to death.

00:28:24.000 Dude, yeah, I was at Jackson Wink with Holly Holm, and she took my arms away from me and just showed me what she could do.

00:28:34.000 Oh, Jesus.

00:28:35.000 She didn't do it, but she was just like, and then with elbows.

00:28:38.000 Did that make you want to train?

00:28:40.000 Did it make you want to learn how to not be in that situation?

00:28:42.000 No, not at all?

00:28:43.000 Nothing?

00:28:45.000 If a girl did that to me, I'd be so upset.

00:28:47.000 I'd be like, I need to learn how to fight.

00:28:49.000 Fuck this.

00:28:50.000 That's so humiliating.

00:28:52.000 Yeah.

00:28:53.000 Yeah.

00:28:53.000 I didn't see it that way.

00:28:55.000 I felt like it was kind of an honor, you know?

00:28:57.000 Well, I get it.

00:28:58.000 Yeah, I mean, she's a world champion.

00:28:59.000 Yeah, she's so rad.

00:29:01.000 She's a beast.

00:29:02.000 Such a wonderful person.

00:29:03.000 Oh, she's so sweet.

00:29:05.000 You would never imagine she's a fucking stone-cold killer.

00:29:08.000 Right.

00:29:09.000 Yeah.

00:29:10.000 That head kick knockout of Ronda Rousey was, like, one of the greatest knockouts of all time.

00:29:15.000 Like, without a doubt.

00:29:16.000 Without a doubt.

00:29:17.000 And to see it in Australia live...

00:29:20.000 It was so fucking crazy.

00:29:21.000 So here it is.

00:29:23.000 She gets you.

00:29:25.000 Nice that she's pounding on the ground and not on your face.

00:29:29.000 Yeah, it's a horrible place to be.

00:29:31.000 Now, imagine Jon Jones getting you in there.

00:29:33.000 Right.

00:29:36.000 You know, it's a bad spot.

00:29:38.000 Real bad spot.

00:29:39.000 And Erin is, she's so good on the ground.

00:29:41.000 And the way she explained it when I did the post-fight interview, how she explained how she went for the Kimura and then Molly got her arm free and then she trapped it again and then got the leg over the head.

00:29:53.000 And then once she got the leg over the head, I was begging her to tap.

00:29:56.000 I was like, please tap, please tap.

00:29:57.000 Yeah, I heard that.

00:29:58.000 Please tap.

00:29:59.000 Because if you don't tap, you get a spiral fracture.

00:30:02.000 It's a horrible fracture.

00:30:04.000 If you watch Frank Mir versus Minotaur Noguera.

00:30:08.000 Now Minotaur Noguera is a legend.

00:30:11.000 I mean, he's one of the greatest heavyweight fighters of all time.

00:30:14.000 He's the heavyweight champion of pride.

00:30:15.000 He was a fucking monster.

00:30:17.000 And Frank Mir snapped his arm and it's...

00:30:19.000 I don't even want to watch it again, man.

00:30:21.000 It's horrible to watch.

00:30:22.000 But he goes for a guillotine, and Frank gets on top of him.

00:30:27.000 So here he is.

00:30:29.000 Like, Frank's on the bottom here.

00:30:30.000 Frank reverses him.

00:30:31.000 Frank gets on top, and Frank gets him in a Kimura.

00:30:34.000 And when he gets him in a Kimura, he breaks his arm.

00:30:38.000 And the snap, I remember hearing the snap.

00:30:41.000 It was so horrific.

00:30:43.000 See, he's got it now.

00:30:44.000 He's got it now.

00:30:46.000 And now he's gonna step over, and now he's in side patrol, and now he steps over with the leg.

00:30:51.000 Now watch when he steps over with that right leg.

00:30:53.000 Watch this.

00:30:57.000 Now watch this right here.

00:31:02.000 Snap!

00:31:06.000 Frank is so big and so strong that your arm has no chance.

00:31:11.000 Frank has broken two different world champions arms inside the octagon.

00:31:16.000 He broke Tim Sylvia's arm with an arm bar and then he broke Minotauro's arm.

00:31:22.000 And when that arm breaks like that, man, I don't think you're ever the same again.

00:31:27.000 Snap.

00:31:27.000 See that?

00:31:28.000 That's it right there.

00:31:29.000 So what happens is all the pressure is on this bone.

00:31:33.000 And so it's like this going that way and this bone from just the angle it just Snaps and you get all the like he's got a giant plate and they have to piece your arm back together like a jigsaw puzzle and Screw it all in place and even then like you're always gonna have this bar in your arm And it's probably there's probably nerve damage and tissue damage and it's probably never gonna be the same right Fuck that.

00:31:58.000 Tap.

00:31:59.000 Just tap.

00:31:59.000 Please tap.

00:32:00.000 The other time was Khabib when he had Michael Johnson.

00:32:03.000 I was like, please tap.

00:32:04.000 Please tap.

00:32:05.000 Please tap.

00:32:06.000 And then Islam Makachev, he had Dan Hooker.

00:32:09.000 And again, I'm going, please tap.

00:32:11.000 Please tap.

00:32:12.000 You gotta tap!

00:32:13.000 Like, live to fight another day.

00:32:15.000 There's times when you gotta tap.

00:32:16.000 And the Kimura's a big one.

00:32:18.000 When the guy gets the leg over your face and he's just got that angle and he's cranking it like, oh Jesus, just tap.

00:32:24.000 Just tap.

00:32:25.000 I got another MMA question.

00:32:31.000 Live odds.

00:32:32.000 At the beginning of round two, round three, like, they show the odds before the fight.

00:32:41.000 Yeah.

00:32:43.000 DC told me he thought that that could be a good alternative to open scoring, if they just showed the live odds.

00:32:51.000 I think as a fan, I would love to know how the odds are.

00:32:57.000 Uniform, always have what the live odds are going into each new round.

00:33:03.000 It's not bad.

00:33:04.000 I mean, it definitely encourages gambling, which I support.

00:33:08.000 I think gambling's fun.

00:33:10.000 You know, I support gambling like I support drinking.

00:33:13.000 I get that some people can't drink.

00:33:15.000 I get that some people can't gamble.

00:33:17.000 Look, I've known a lot of people that were addicted to gambling, and it's a crazy addiction.

00:33:23.000 Did you ever see that Adam Sandler movie?

00:33:26.000 Yes, the uncut gems.

00:33:28.000 Amazing.

00:33:29.000 Unbelievably disturbing.

00:33:30.000 So good.

00:33:31.000 Unbelievably good.

00:33:32.000 And such a perfect representation of a gambling addict.

00:33:35.000 They can't fucking, they need that fucking juice.

00:33:39.000 They need it.

00:33:40.000 They need that next bet.

00:33:42.000 They need, come on, come on.

00:33:44.000 Yes!

00:33:44.000 When they win, they go fucking crazy.

00:33:47.000 I mean, it's a real problem for some people.

00:33:50.000 Gambling, they ruin everything in their life.

00:33:53.000 It's a real problem for some people.

00:33:54.000 But I support it because I feel like you need to have control over your life.

00:33:58.000 And if you don't have control over your life, get control over your life.

00:34:01.000 And if gambling is stopping you from having control of your life, don't make gambling illegal.

00:34:05.000 Just you don't gamble.

00:34:07.000 I agree.

00:34:07.000 Get your life in order.

00:34:08.000 Yeah, as an alcoholic, drug addict, you know...

00:34:14.000 I'm not mad at drugs and alcohol.

00:34:16.000 I just can't have it.

00:34:17.000 Yeah.

00:34:17.000 Do you think that you could, if you had a different life, could have enjoyed drinking and maybe a little drugs in moderation?

00:34:24.000 No.

00:34:25.000 No, you just had that personality.

00:34:26.000 I have it in my fucking pedigree, dude.

00:34:30.000 I'm thoroughbred.

00:34:32.000 On my mom's side of the family, it's every leaf on the tree.

00:34:37.000 Wow.

00:34:37.000 It didn't skip a generation at all.

00:34:39.000 For my mom, it was like...

00:34:44.000 It was like playing Russian roulette with a fucking completely loaded gun.

00:34:48.000 Do you think that's nature or nurture?

00:34:51.000 What do you think causes that?

00:34:53.000 I think that...

00:34:54.000 I think there's a genetic thing.

00:34:59.000 But it's a little bit like...

00:35:02.000 It's a little bit like, how did the fire start?

00:35:07.000 It's like, who fucking cares?

00:35:08.000 Just deal with, address the fire.

00:35:10.000 Right.

00:35:11.000 Right.

00:35:11.000 But I mean, is there cases where the whole family is addicted and there's one person that can have a drink with dinner and they're fine?

00:35:18.000 Yeah.

00:35:19.000 There are.

00:35:19.000 For sure.

00:35:20.000 For sure.

00:35:21.000 There's no certainty of it.

00:35:24.000 And more often than not, it will skip generations and it will not be everybody.

00:35:28.000 Just in my case, it was fucking everybody.

00:35:30.000 And gambling was a thing, too.

00:35:32.000 Oh, you gambled a lot?

00:35:33.000 No, but it's in my family.

00:35:35.000 Oh.

00:35:36.000 It's probably the same thing, right?

00:35:37.000 It's like this obsession.

00:35:39.000 Yeah.

00:35:40.000 Dude, it's so crazy how, like, my dad's side of the family is just straight academics, theologians, zoologists, like, just everybody's, like, PhD or,

00:35:56.000 like, you know, crazy.

00:35:58.000 Clergy men.

00:36:01.000 My dad's dad fought in World War II and was decorated.

00:36:08.000 And then there's my mom's side of the family.

00:36:12.000 Addiction, gambling, suicide, the whole deal.

00:36:15.000 My mom's father dodged the draft.

00:36:18.000 He was in Canada.

00:36:19.000 Dodged the draft for World War II and got fairly obnoxiously wealthy selling Bootleg gasoline.

00:36:30.000 They had a ration for the wartime.

00:36:38.000 His bootleg gasoline operation, you could buy as much gas as you wanted beyond the ration from my maternal grandfather.

00:36:49.000 And he became obnoxiously wealthy, had a boat, walked out with a crazy wad of cash, and the fucking dude gambled it all away, and then when he was broke, fucking blew his brains out.

00:37:04.000 I don't know that I ever met that guy.

00:37:08.000 I was a baby when that happened.

00:37:15.000 It doesn't make any sense because with all the alcoholism, that didn't deter me from becoming an alcoholic.

00:37:21.000 But I did manage to stay away from gambling.

00:37:24.000 Wow.

00:37:25.000 100%?

00:37:27.000 I've placed...

00:37:28.000 The only time I bet in my adult life...

00:37:32.000 I've still never placed a bet in a casino or anything like that.

00:37:36.000 But when I did a brand deal on social media, I got paid to promote some...

00:37:45.000 Online gambling thing.

00:37:47.000 That was when I showed up at the fight and I was holding up all the cash and I took the photo with you.

00:37:54.000 And that was when I bet on Poirier and McGregor's leg snapped that night.

00:38:02.000 Oh, wow.

00:38:03.000 So you won and done.

00:38:04.000 That was my first ever bet.

00:38:06.000 I ended up betting a couple times after that as part of the same deal.

00:38:11.000 And I lost.

00:38:13.000 But yeah, I'm done.

00:38:15.000 Yeah, I'm done.

00:38:15.000 Yeah, it definitely makes fights more exciting if you personally have money riding on it.

00:38:21.000 For sure.

00:38:22.000 But if you do have an obsessive thing, like I could see how it would transfer.

00:38:26.000 For some people it transfers to positive stuff.

00:38:29.000 Like I know a lot of people that were drug addicts that became really fitness fanatics.

00:38:32.000 Sure.

00:38:33.000 You know, they start like my friend John Joseph.

00:38:36.000 He started doing Iron Man.

00:38:37.000 Love John Joseph.

00:38:37.000 He's great.

00:38:38.000 Yeah.

00:38:39.000 A lot of people do that.

00:38:40.000 They become marathon runners or they work out fiends.

00:38:43.000 Yeah.

00:38:43.000 And that's their new drug of choice.

00:38:46.000 Yep.

00:38:51.000 Fucking, for me, I think that I'm just obsessed about just doing shit.

00:38:59.000 You know, just accomplishing shit.

00:39:01.000 Well, that's a good thing to transfer to.

00:39:04.000 I think it's kind of the same gene.

00:39:07.000 The gene that can, or whatever it is.

00:39:09.000 I shouldn't say gene.

00:39:10.000 It's the same thing in the mind that gets you obsessed with your next high.

00:39:16.000 Right.

00:39:17.000 Or your next like wild thing you could also transfer that to accomplishing personal goals and you know fitness goals and just getting your life together starting a business being obsessed with the business like you can do it in a positive way with that same mindset and Oftentimes you see that with fighters like some of the best fighters.

00:39:36.000 They they had like real horrible Bouts of alcoholism or drug abuse in their past.

00:39:42.000 Mark Kerr.

00:39:43.000 Mm-hmm.

00:39:43.000 Yeah.

00:39:44.000 Well, he had it while he was at the top.

00:39:47.000 Right.

00:39:47.000 It wasn't something that he got over.

00:39:49.000 You know, he actually...

00:39:50.000 It kind of took him down.

00:39:52.000 And what's crazy about him is that while it was all happening, they were filming a documentary.

00:39:57.000 The Smashing Machine.

00:39:58.000 Which is really crazy because they didn't...

00:40:00.000 Film that documentary with the intent of capturing this guy's life falling apart due to drug addiction.

00:40:06.000 100%.

00:40:06.000 He was on top of the world.

00:40:08.000 He was murdering everybody.

00:40:10.000 But a lot of guys get into painkillers.

00:40:14.000 A lot of guys.

00:40:15.000 Including bodybuilders and powerlifters.

00:40:18.000 It's like they're in pain because of the...

00:40:20.000 You're lifting crazy amounts of weight and you're fucking up your back and fucking up your elbows and your shoulders and instead of dealing with it, you just take a pain pill.

00:40:30.000 Yeah.

00:40:30.000 And just keep powering through.

00:40:32.000 They say Ronnie Coleman used to do that.

00:40:34.000 You know, Ronnie Coleman, who was Mr. Olympia, who now has his whole back fused.

00:40:40.000 His whole back, like every spinal, all the different vertebrae are fused together.

00:40:47.000 And he's fucked.

00:40:49.000 Like, whoever did that, like, Jesus Christ.

00:40:52.000 Like, there's different ways to fix people's backs.

00:40:54.000 You don't have to do that.

00:40:55.000 So how does he...

00:40:57.000 He's in real pain.

00:40:58.000 He can barely move around.

00:41:00.000 He went down and got some stem cells and he's got some improvement now.

00:41:04.000 I think he went to BioAccelerator.

00:41:05.000 I went there.

00:41:06.000 Yeah.

00:41:06.000 I think he went down there and they helped him a bit.

00:41:09.000 But, you know, he's got a lot of nerve damage and his legs don't work correctly anymore.

00:41:16.000 With all of your vertebrae fused together, you would imagine...

00:41:19.000 Still working out though.

00:41:20.000 He can...

00:41:22.000 I mean, he's addicted to working out, but I mean, his whole back is like completely fused.

00:41:29.000 But at one point in time, I mean, you see, he's in a wheelchair.

00:41:33.000 Like when he came to do the podcast, he was in a wheelchair.

00:41:35.000 Crazy.

00:41:36.000 I mean, he can kind of stand up, but he really can't move around that good.

00:41:39.000 But he's got a fucking amazing attitude, even though that's the case.

00:41:43.000 Like, guys that feel sorry for themselves that I do it all over again.

00:41:46.000 I mean, he was one of the greatest bodybuilders of all time.

00:41:48.000 But he was different than everybody else in that...

00:41:51.000 When Ronnie was at the top of his game Ronnie was lifting enormous amounts of weight like a lot of bodybuilders They just do very very high reps and a lot of steroids Ronnie was lifting crazy weight like wild wild amounts because he just wanted to be massive Just as massive as a person could be and he accomplished that But he paid the price.

00:42:16.000 Because he would hurt his back and just keep lifting, go through the set.

00:42:19.000 He wouldn't stop and pause and assess what was wrong with him.

00:42:22.000 I mean, look at him when he was in his prime.

00:42:24.000 Like, good lord.

00:42:25.000 Good lord.

00:42:27.000 Look at the mass on that man.

00:42:30.000 I mean, look at the fucking legs.

00:42:33.000 I mean, without doubt, one of the greatest to ever do it.

00:42:37.000 Yeah, I just watched that Killer Sally show on Netflix.

00:42:41.000 What's that?

00:42:43.000 Oh, that's a woman bodybuilder, right?

00:42:45.000 Woman bodybuilder, but she was married to this guy Ray McNeil, who she ultimately shot.

00:42:53.000 Oh, Jesus.

00:42:54.000 Yeah, it's one of these true crime type situations.

00:42:59.000 Oh.

00:42:59.000 It's pretty fascinating.

00:43:00.000 It's just like a three-part.

00:43:02.000 But yeah, they get pretty heavily into the whole bodybuilding culture.

00:43:09.000 Yeah.

00:43:09.000 There's a thing that happens to a woman when she starts taking steroids where she gets that manly look in her face that creeps me the fuck out.

00:43:16.000 You know, there's like, go to the original picture that you posted up, Jamie.

00:43:21.000 The original one.

00:43:22.000 No, right there.

00:43:23.000 Yeah, look at her face on the left.

00:43:25.000 See how she got like, there's like a manliness to her.

00:43:28.000 It's like, it's very hard to describe.

00:43:30.000 Like, what makes it manly?

00:43:31.000 I don't know.

00:43:32.000 But it's not just that she has giant traps and big fucking shoulders and chest muscles.

00:43:38.000 Right.

00:43:38.000 But it's also like, her face has a manly quality.

00:43:42.000 Like the one on the right, that picture on the right where that dude has his arm around her.

00:43:45.000 Look, is that the guy she killed?

00:43:47.000 Yep.

00:43:48.000 Sorry, buddy.

00:43:49.000 Look at her face there.

00:43:50.000 She's got like a manly face.

00:43:52.000 That's very manly.

00:43:54.000 It's super manly, yeah.

00:43:55.000 Right?

00:43:55.000 There's something that happens.

00:43:56.000 Dude, she fucking went into the bedroom, fucking came out with a shotgun, fucking...

00:44:04.000 Smoked the dude and then went back into the bedroom got another shell and reloaded it came out and shot him in the face.

00:44:11.000 What did he do to her?

00:44:13.000 Was it an abusive relationship?

00:44:15.000 There was a lot of accusations of domestic violence.

00:44:22.000 I don't think a lot of people are Questioning whether that was a good call.

00:44:34.000 Well, I think they're probably both out of their fucking minds.

00:44:38.000 If you're doing that much juice and you're getting jacked up, you're probably...

00:44:42.000 I think when, you know, like when a human being is taking like hyperhuman levels of hormones, you're not even really a human anymore.

00:44:53.000 You're this wild thing that's like part human, part chemicals.

00:44:58.000 What's the difference between steroids like that and TRT? Well, it depends on how much TRT you take, right?

00:45:05.000 Right.

00:45:05.000 So if you're taking normal doses of TRT, then you're just like a normal man.

00:45:11.000 The idea is that as you age and you take TRT, your body repairs itself and functions well and your immune system functions well like it did when you were younger.

00:45:22.000 And it works if you don't abuse it.

00:45:24.000 But if you're a crazy person and you say, well, instead of this amount, I'm going to take double.

00:45:30.000 Instead of taking it twice a week, I'm going to take it three times a week, double three times a week.

00:45:35.000 That's a lot.

00:45:36.000 And people definitely do that.

00:45:38.000 And if you get addicts and you give – like if an addict – you don't have to go to a clinic to get the shot.

00:45:44.000 You give the shot yourself.

00:45:46.000 You just say, I'm going to fucking keep shooting up.

00:45:47.000 And then you go to multiple doctors, like, if they don't have a database on whether or not you're on testosterone from this doctor and also from that doctor.

00:45:56.000 Like, I knew a dude about a pill problem.

00:45:58.000 And what he used to do is he would go to multiple doctors and get opiates.

00:46:04.000 And he was fucked up all the time.

00:46:06.000 And he was mad that these doctors gave it to him.

00:46:08.000 I'm like, bitch, you didn't tell them that you were going to...

00:46:10.000 Take it on yourself, man.

00:46:12.000 Like, you fucking did it to yourself.

00:46:13.000 I know it sucks.

00:46:15.000 And I know, like, you probably didn't know it was that hard to kick or that addictive, but he fucking purposely went to multiple different doctors.

00:46:22.000 Like, he used to live in Texas, then he moved to California.

00:46:25.000 He was getting it from both doctors.

00:46:26.000 Yeah.

00:46:27.000 So he was taking a lot.

00:46:28.000 And, listen, for a long time, they'll just keep prescribing it to you.

00:46:33.000 I think they're probably a little more sensitive to that now.

00:46:37.000 Walmart just got hit today.

00:46:40.000 They got a $3 billion settlement today they had to give out because of their contribution to the opioid crisis.

00:46:49.000 Wow.

00:46:49.000 Make sure that's right.

00:46:50.000 Was that part of like the...

00:46:51.000 Yeah, Walmart agrees to give $3.1 billion to opioid settlement framework.

00:46:57.000 Well, that's a tiny fucking piece of how much they earned, which is really disturbing.

00:47:02.000 If you find out the Sackler family, how much they actually made from lying...

00:47:08.000 About the addictive properties of it.

00:47:11.000 I mean, pushing it on people.

00:47:13.000 Dude, when I got my nose fixed, I had a deviated septum.

00:47:17.000 I got out of there.

00:47:19.000 And, you know, once I woke up and everything, the doctor's like, okay, I've got your two different painkillers.

00:47:24.000 I go, do I need those?

00:47:25.000 He's like, you're going to need those.

00:47:27.000 I go, but is it going to get worse than it is right now?

00:47:29.000 He's like, no.

00:47:31.000 Might not.

00:47:32.000 I go, but right now it doesn't hurt at all.

00:47:34.000 Like, I don't know why you give me these.

00:47:36.000 He's like, just take it.

00:47:38.000 And I'm like, well, wouldn't it be better if I didn't take it and then I came to you and I needed it?

00:47:43.000 I was like, what am I doing with this?

00:47:45.000 I never filled them at all.

00:47:46.000 I've not filled out a prescription for painkillers once since I got sober.

00:47:50.000 Well, since you got sober, it's a good call.

00:47:52.000 I've never had a problem with painkillers.

00:47:53.000 In fact, I had my knee repaired in 94 and I can't remember if they gave me Percocet or Vicodin.

00:48:00.000 I don't remember which one, but I wound up selling them at the pool hall.

00:48:03.000 Because I was like, this is terrible.

00:48:05.000 I'd rather be in pain.

00:48:06.000 Like, for my personality, whatever it is, like, me being stupid was the hardest part.

00:48:12.000 Because I was just laying on my couch.

00:48:14.000 It took them one day, and I was so stupid.

00:48:16.000 I was like, I can't live like this.

00:48:18.000 Like, I feel so dumb.

00:48:20.000 Like, whatever it is with me, my own biology, how I react to painkillers, no bueno.

00:48:26.000 So my next knee operation when I got my ACL reconstructed, no painkillers at all.

00:48:30.000 I didn't take shit.

00:48:31.000 And so when my nose got fixed, the doctor was like, you're going to have to take painkillers.

00:48:35.000 I'm like, for this?

00:48:37.000 Like, this doesn't even hurt.

00:48:38.000 It's like once they did the operation, it was mildly uncomfortable.

00:48:42.000 That was because they had these big foam tubes stuffed up my nose.

00:48:47.000 When you say deviated septum, that means like a hole in the wall?

00:48:51.000 No, no.

00:48:52.000 My nose had broken so many times that I only had like one quarter of one nostril that I could get oxygen from.

00:49:01.000 The other one was completely closed.

00:49:03.000 So I could go like this.

00:49:06.000 And I literally couldn't breathe a thing out of my nose.

00:49:09.000 And then on top of that, the same thing that happens to cauliflower ear also happens to the inside of your nose.

00:49:15.000 So when you get a bloody nose and your nose gets smashed all the time, calcium deposits can form inside of your nose the same way they form in your ear.

00:49:23.000 So my nose was just useless.

00:49:25.000 So the doctor scooped all that shit out and shaved my turbinates down and then reconstructed the actual septum.

00:49:37.000 So the path between the two nostrils.

00:49:39.000 So when he did that, when I was 40...

00:49:42.000 It was like the first time I could breathe out of my nose since I was like five.

00:49:46.000 I fell down a fly stairs when I was five years old and broke my nose.

00:49:49.000 Wow.

00:49:49.000 And it's been fucked ever since then.

00:49:51.000 And then from that time, all those years of combat sports, all those...

00:49:55.000 I broke it in jujitsu.

00:49:57.000 I broke it in kickboxing.

00:49:58.000 I broke it in taekwondo.

00:49:59.000 I broke it so many times.

00:50:01.000 It was just useless.

00:50:02.000 But when I got it fixed, the doctor was like, you know, I don't need these pain pills.

00:50:06.000 I was like, are you fucking sure?

00:50:07.000 Like, can't I just be uncomfortable?

00:50:09.000 Like, whatever happened to being uncomfortable?

00:50:12.000 Is that okay?

00:50:13.000 Right.

00:50:14.000 And you know what?

00:50:15.000 It's incredible how effective Advil and Tylenol are.

00:50:20.000 Both those things are terrible for you.

00:50:22.000 Oh yeah.

00:50:22.000 Terrible for you.

00:50:23.000 Do you know that if you take Tylenol, Tylenol is acetaminophen, if you take 20 times more than the dose, you're dead.

00:50:32.000 Wow.

00:50:32.000 Dead.

00:50:33.000 There's a lot of people who die every year from Tylenol poisoning.

00:50:37.000 In fact, there was a really terrible story about a woman who had COVID and she was in agony because she had COVID, so she just kept taking Tylenol.

00:50:43.000 She died from liver failure.

00:50:45.000 Wow.

00:50:46.000 From fucking Tylenol.

00:50:47.000 It's terrible for you.

00:50:49.000 Advil's terrible for you.

00:50:50.000 Advil's bad for your stomach.

00:50:52.000 Yes.

00:50:52.000 It's bad for a lot of things.

00:50:54.000 But they're nonsteroidal anti-inflammatories and they cause gut inflammation in a lot of people.

00:51:01.000 Like my friend Cam, he was taking 800 milligrams of Advil every day because he runs every day and he was always in pain.

00:51:08.000 He heard a podcast I did with Dr. Rhonda Patrick.

00:51:11.000 She explained all the dangers of nonsteroidal anti-inflammatories and what they do to your gut.

00:51:16.000 And what they do to your gut biome and how they actually create inflammation.

00:51:19.000 So he gets off of them, all his fucking pain went away.

00:51:23.000 Yeah.

00:51:23.000 So taking anti-inflammatories for pain was actually the source of his pain.

00:51:30.000 Huh.

00:51:30.000 Isn't that wild?

00:51:32.000 Well, if you're doing it on an ongoing basis, then I think that that is a dynamic that will, you know...

00:51:39.000 Yeah, in his case, it was pretty extreme.

00:51:42.000 Right.

00:51:42.000 Like, uh...

00:51:43.000 If...

00:51:46.000 If it's pretty rare that you're in pain and you take...

00:51:50.000 Sure.

00:51:50.000 I mean, if you have a headache and you take it, you know, if you're smart about it and you take it every now and again, I'm sure it's okay.

00:51:56.000 You know, it's like everything else.

00:51:58.000 Your body will recover.

00:51:59.000 But you just have to be careful with that stuff.

00:52:01.000 To think that it's completely innocuous just because you could buy it at a drugstore is not the case.

00:52:05.000 Right.

00:52:06.000 And the Tylenol poisoning.

00:52:09.000 When Dr. Peter Atiyah was explaining to me that just 20 times the recommended dose will kill you, I was like, that's crazy!

00:52:16.000 Yeah.

00:52:17.000 I hadn't heard any of that.

00:52:18.000 Yeah.

00:52:19.000 I mean, I knew that Advil was bad for your stomach, and I gotta be careful with that because I have Barrett's esophagus.

00:52:26.000 What is that?

00:52:27.000 It's like erosion of the esophagus, like the tube coming out of your stomach.

00:52:36.000 It's basically from acid reflux and shit.

00:52:39.000 And it's scary because it's...

00:52:43.000 It's often a precursor to esophageal cancer.

00:52:47.000 So it's something that I monitor really closely.

00:52:51.000 At the moment, I'm stable with it.

00:52:54.000 What caused that?

00:52:56.000 I don't even know.

00:52:57.000 I think acid reflux.

00:52:58.000 But what caused the acid reflux?

00:53:00.000 I don't have any idea.

00:53:02.000 Is it drugs or alcohol?

00:53:04.000 Maybe.

00:53:05.000 How many people die a year from Tylenol?

00:53:09.000 Pull up how many people die a year in the United States from acetaminophen.

00:53:13.000 When I found that out, I was shocked.

00:53:15.000 Well, when I read about that woman who died when she was just trying to get over the COVID, it's responsible for 56,000 emergency department visits, 2,600 hospitalizations, and 500 deaths per year in the United States.

00:53:32.000 50% of those are unintentional overdoses.

00:53:35.000 Wow, 50% of them are intentional then.

00:53:38.000 That's awful.

00:53:39.000 What an awful way to go.

00:53:40.000 More than 60 million Americans consume acetaminophen on a weekly basis, and many are unaware that it is contained in combined products.

00:53:51.000 What about, like, Bayer?

00:53:54.000 Like, Bayer and aspirin, like, people take that for their heart?

00:53:57.000 Yeah, aspirin, I think, in low doses is probably not bad, but I think even aspirin probably can kill you if you take enough of it.

00:54:06.000 How many people die every year from aspirin overdose?

00:54:09.000 Let's Google that.

00:54:10.000 Let's take a guess.

00:54:11.000 If it's 500 for Tylenol, let's say it's 50. What do you think?

00:54:14.000 How many people a year die from aspirin?

00:54:16.000 Maybe it's zero.

00:54:17.000 Yeah, I'm going to go with zero.

00:54:19.000 Zero?

00:54:19.000 I'm going to go with 50. How many people die every year in the United States from aspirin?

00:54:24.000 Maybe it can't even kill you.

00:54:28.000 But then again, I feel like that was something they said, oh, one aspirin every day is good for if you have a heart condition.

00:54:35.000 But then I think they recanted that.

00:54:38.000 So I'm actually going to go with not zero.

00:54:40.000 Did they really recant that?

00:54:41.000 I think they recanted that.

00:54:42.000 That was the thing they were always telling you, take an aspirin a day.

00:54:46.000 It's getting...

00:54:47.000 It's not giving me direct information even though I typed it in.

00:54:50.000 I'm seeing...

00:54:51.000 It's the aspirin industry.

00:54:53.000 It causes more than 3,000 deaths per year in the UK, according to what I found.

00:54:58.000 Oh.

00:54:58.000 That's a lot more.

00:54:59.000 But it says...

00:55:01.000 Holy shit.

00:55:02.000 Especially the UK does not have that big of a population.

00:55:04.000 20,000 bleeds annually, causing at least 3,000 deaths.

00:55:07.000 What?

00:55:07.000 Whoa!

00:55:08.000 Okay, there you go.

00:55:10.000 Jesus Christ.

00:55:12.000 Daily aspirin behind more than 3,000 adult deaths per year.

00:55:16.000 So aspirin kills more people than fucking acetaminophen?

00:55:20.000 That's crazy.

00:55:21.000 Yeah, so what we looked at too with acetaminophen was just the U.S. This is showing the U.K., which is a lot of people in a smaller number, I know.

00:55:30.000 That's wild.

00:55:31.000 I would have never guessed that.

00:55:33.000 I was going with 50. Seems that they did recant it.

00:55:40.000 Oh, look at this, though.

00:55:41.000 In 2021, it says 227 deaths were recorded in England and Wales as a result of paracetamol poisoning.

00:55:51.000 I guess that's aspirin?

00:55:52.000 No, this is Tylenol.

00:55:53.000 That's Tylenol.

00:55:54.000 Oh, you wrote Tylenol deaths.

00:55:56.000 Yeah, I switched over back to Tylenol to see what...

00:55:57.000 Oh, why did you do that?

00:55:58.000 We're done with that.

00:55:58.000 Well, I wanted to...

00:55:59.000 Because I wasn't getting an answer for U.S. for aspirin, so I wanted to see what it said for U.K. since I did have...

00:56:04.000 So Tylenol per year is half of what it is in America, roughly.

00:56:08.000 But aspirin, 3,000 deaths per year?

00:56:12.000 And the population is 10%.

00:56:14.000 That's fucking crazy.

00:56:16.000 I would have never imagined it's that many.

00:56:20.000 Maybe it's just because it's more popular.

00:56:24.000 Wow.

00:56:27.000 So, does daily aspirin behind more than 3,000 deaths per year?

00:56:36.000 We could probably break that number down, though, too.

00:56:38.000 I don't know if it's an accumulation, because it's not sudden deaths.

00:56:41.000 It's not like they're just getting a heart attack all of a sudden.

00:56:43.000 Scroll back down a little bit.

00:56:45.000 It says, expert warn, more people die from aspirin than COVID-19.

00:56:51.000 What?

00:56:53.000 I wouldn't use this.

00:56:55.000 That's why I skipped past this.

00:56:57.000 Oh, it's one of them weird.

00:56:58.000 Those fucking clickbaity cunts.

00:57:01.000 They'll lure you in with some fake headlines, some bullshit website that's in Macedonia or some shit that's just designed to get American clicks and sell ads.

00:57:11.000 They're so sneaky with that shit.

00:57:14.000 I was starting to wonder if you were onto something with the aspirin people.

00:57:22.000 Well, that's probably a lot of money in aspirin.

00:57:24.000 Yeah.

00:57:25.000 And if people were taking it every day, okay, Google that.

00:57:30.000 Does taking aspirin every day prevent heart attacks?

00:57:33.000 Because that was the thing that they were saying.

00:57:35.000 But I think at that time, they were just saying like one aspirin.

00:57:38.000 Every day.

00:57:40.000 The UK thing, I found another way of describing it.

00:57:44.000 It says around 40% of adults age 75 or over in the UK take a daily aspirin and have lifelong treatment.

00:57:51.000 It is recommended for patients who have previously had a heart attack or stroke.

00:57:57.000 This is where the 3000 number though came from too.

00:58:01.000 Hmm.

00:58:01.000 Major bleeds.

00:58:03.000 So is, oh, other anti-platelet drugs.

00:58:08.000 Oh, hold on a second.

00:58:09.000 That says 3000 deaths caused by aspirin or other anti-platelet drugs.

00:58:14.000 So what if those anti-platelet drugs are more potent than aspirin?

00:58:18.000 Is that, is that, but that's The Guardian.

00:58:21.000 That's a reliable paper, right?

00:58:23.000 I think it's pretty good.

00:58:24.000 Published in Lancet, for patients under 65 taking daily aspirin to prevent a recurring stroke or heart attack, the annual rate of bleeds requiring hospital admission was approximately 1.5% compared with 3.5% for patients aged 75 to 84 and 5% for those aged 85 or older.

00:58:45.000 Huh.

00:58:46.000 So you know what it is?

00:58:47.000 I guess it's a trade-off, right?

00:58:48.000 Yeah.

00:58:49.000 It probably prevents the clots but also makes you bleed to death.

00:58:54.000 Fuck.

00:58:54.000 That's the scariest shit when people have, what is that disease where people, their blood doesn't clot?

00:59:02.000 Anemia?

00:59:02.000 No, not anemia.

00:59:03.000 Anemia is when you have a lack of blood.

00:59:06.000 What is that disease?

00:59:08.000 God damn it, it's the tip of my tongue.

00:59:10.000 Oh, I'm going to know it when you say it.

00:59:13.000 Oh, God.

00:59:14.000 Stupid brain of mine.

00:59:16.000 It's so good sometimes.

00:59:17.000 My brain works so, my memory is so fantastic sometimes.

00:59:20.000 Yes.

00:59:23.000 Hemophilia.

00:59:24.000 Hemophilia.

00:59:24.000 Thank you.

00:59:25.000 I knew it was a hemo something.

00:59:26.000 Yeah, dude, I'm stoked I got it.

00:59:28.000 You did.

00:59:29.000 Yeah, that's it.

00:59:30.000 Hemoglobin, hemophilia.

00:59:31.000 Yeah.

00:59:32.000 Yeah, that is scary.

00:59:34.000 Your body doesn't stop bleeding.

00:59:36.000 Fuck.

00:59:36.000 You don't clot.

00:59:39.000 You know, I had a friend who had to take some sort of blood thinners because they had something wrong with them and they had to be real careful.

00:59:45.000 Like, they couldn't get bruised, nothing.

00:59:48.000 Dude, how about the people who don't feel pain?

00:59:50.000 Oh, that's nuts.

00:59:51.000 That's...

00:59:52.000 That's nuts.

00:59:53.000 Yeah, it's really scary.

00:59:54.000 Yeah, that's nuts.

00:59:55.000 What is that?

00:59:56.000 I don't know.

00:59:57.000 Like, what kind of fucking evolutionary advantage would it be to not feel pain?

01:00:02.000 Yeah.

01:00:03.000 No idea you're injured?

01:00:04.000 Is that real?

01:00:05.000 Like all pain?

01:00:06.000 Or is it just like most pain?

01:00:07.000 Like broken bones?

01:00:08.000 You don't know how you're broken?

01:00:09.000 I think there are people who don't feel pain, period.

01:00:13.000 That'd be great in your line of work.

01:00:16.000 Congenital insensitivity to pain and anhydrosis is a very rare and extremely dangerous condition.

01:00:23.000 People with it cannot feel pain.

01:00:25.000 Pain-sensing nerves in these patients are not properly connected in parts of the brain that receive the pain messages.

01:00:32.000 Wow!

01:00:33.000 Yeah.

01:00:34.000 Whoa, that's crazy.

01:00:38.000 That sucks.

01:00:39.000 Yeah, pain's important, man.

01:00:41.000 Yeah, it is.

01:00:41.000 That's why fights are crazy because you don't really feel much while you're fighting.

01:00:45.000 And then after the fight, you're like, oh my god, everything hurts.

01:00:48.000 Your fucking shins and your elbows and your knuckles and everything.

01:00:54.000 Yeah, not feeling pain is not good.

01:00:56.000 It's like not feeling sadness.

01:00:58.000 You need to feel lost.

01:01:01.000 You need highs and lows.

01:01:03.000 It's part of being a person.

01:01:05.000 The stuff that sucks, it's all supposed to be there to kind of get you on the right path.

01:01:10.000 The path to not do that thing that made you feel bad.

01:01:13.000 Not do that thing that made you hurt.

01:01:15.000 Don't do that, buddy.

01:01:18.000 Yeah.

01:01:21.000 I remember seeing you react to some of these crazy kids that are climbing on skyscrapers.

01:01:32.000 I remember you having a really pretty visceral reaction to that.

01:01:37.000 Like, no, don't do that.

01:01:39.000 I don't like it.

01:01:40.000 I don't approve.

01:01:41.000 And I just thought to myself, I disagree.

01:01:45.000 I disagree because I think that in most cases with these kids, they just know their abilities.

01:01:54.000 Well, they definitely do, but also they fall.

01:01:58.000 And they die.

01:01:58.000 And that's a crazy way to die.

01:02:00.000 Okay.

01:02:01.000 Falling off a skyscraper.

01:02:02.000 Yeah.

01:02:03.000 Landing on a baby carriage.

01:02:05.000 I understood.

01:02:06.000 But I remember one of these kids, because I had a...

01:02:10.000 Don't do it, Jamie.

01:02:11.000 You son of a bitch.

01:02:13.000 Jesus Christ.

01:02:14.000 This guy's barefoot climbing a fucking building.

01:02:18.000 Right.

01:02:19.000 Woo!

01:02:20.000 That is so wild that people do that shit.

01:02:23.000 You know, like, uh, don't do it, Jamie.

01:02:25.000 Don't let me walk.

01:02:26.000 My hands are sweating.

01:02:27.000 Feel my hand.

01:02:29.000 How sweaty is that?

01:02:30.000 And I'll take this off of you because when I'd like linked up with with some of these kids that do all this fucking crazy parkour shit like from building to building and I Reposted on my Instagram some kid doing like some like it was like he jumped off one building and then landed on the next building like by his fingers and People In the comments were just like,

01:02:57.000 oh, this fucking stupid kid's gonna die.

01:03:00.000 And I was kind of incensed.

01:03:03.000 And I went on my story and I was like, why is it that these kids are catching such fucking heat?

01:03:12.000 But then this other fucking guy wins an Oscar with a fucking free solo.

01:03:19.000 Like, what's the difference?

01:03:20.000 Well, that's crazy, too.

01:03:22.000 Alex has been on the podcast a few times.

01:03:25.000 I admire his ability to do that.

01:03:28.000 But also in talking to Gabor Mate, he was explaining that most likely what's going on is those people don't feel normal life the same way that we do.

01:03:39.000 And the only way for them to feel really connected and alive is to put themselves in grave danger.

01:03:44.000 It's just interesting to me that they're basically all doing the same thing.

01:03:49.000 Sort of, but rock climbing is undoubtedly a learned skill, and they have abilities that they have developed through.

01:03:58.000 There's technical rock climbing, like they know what the fuck they're doing.

01:04:02.000 It's still, people die from it every year.

01:04:04.000 Oh, yeah.

01:04:05.000 Did you see The Alpinist?

01:04:06.000 Did you see that documentary?

01:04:07.000 Is that the one where the guy, you don't even see it coming, and then you find out that he died at the end?

01:04:13.000 Well, I saw it coming because I knew he was dead.

01:04:15.000 I didn't know, and apologies to people who I just spoiled that for.

01:04:21.000 It's not spoiling.

01:04:23.000 It's pretty obvious when you watch it that he's going to die.

01:04:25.000 I mean, dude, it was heavy.

01:04:28.000 He was using ice picks and climbing on icicles.

01:04:32.000 Oh my god, that was such a great movie.

01:04:34.000 Yeah, I mean, he decided that regular rock climbing wasn't scary enough.

01:04:39.000 And Alex talked about him admirably.

01:04:43.000 Alex was like, this guy was so good.

01:04:46.000 He was such a good climber that to him, he needed really dangerous things to get him jazzed up.

01:04:53.000 So he would climb in Argentina, these mountains covered in ice in the winter.

01:04:59.000 And he got caught in a landslide or an avalanche.

01:05:05.000 Yeah.

01:05:06.000 And it wasn't like he screwed up.

01:05:09.000 They never even recovered his body.

01:05:11.000 Right.

01:05:12.000 He's part of the fucking glacier now.

01:05:15.000 Right.

01:05:15.000 And when you climb, like for anybody who climbs Mount Everest, don't you just like climb past like skeletal remains?

01:05:24.000 Yeah.

01:05:25.000 Yeah, they leave the bodies.

01:05:26.000 Yeah, you climb past them and they're white because like they're basically just completely frozen solid and it's just like a white piece of meat.

01:05:39.000 And then the clothing is like ripped apart so you can see the flesh underneath it that's hard as a rock.

01:05:45.000 So it's frozen all year round?

01:05:47.000 It never thaws?

01:05:48.000 It never thaws.

01:05:48.000 Wow!

01:05:49.000 Yeah, you're just up there frozen like a rock forever.

01:05:52.000 Yeah.

01:05:53.000 And they leave the bodies there because it's too dangerous to bring them back.

01:05:56.000 Like, there's a lot of people that are...

01:05:58.000 Like, there's a dead guy that you pass by.

01:06:01.000 I mean, these people that are up there doing it...

01:06:04.000 Like, look at that guy.

01:06:05.000 Whoa!

01:06:07.000 Yeah, died...

01:06:08.000 There's 200 bodies up there.

01:06:10.000 Jesus.

01:06:10.000 At least.

01:06:11.000 They don't know the official number.

01:06:13.000 Over 300 people have died.

01:06:15.000 Motherfucker.

01:06:15.000 How many people die climbing Everest every year?

01:06:18.000 Over 300 total have died.

01:06:20.000 So I don't know about every year.

01:06:21.000 Mmm.

01:06:21.000 311, I said.

01:06:24.000 They die every year, though.

01:06:25.000 You know what's fascinating to me is how, like, deliberate people are to avoid contemplating their own mortality.

01:06:34.000 Mmm, this is a weird one.

01:06:36.000 The Everest one's a weird one.

01:06:38.000 Because it's also, it's like...

01:06:40.000 I mean, I admire people that want to take challenges on and do things that are very difficult because I'm just guessing that the sense of accomplishment after you do it is probably pretty extraordinary.

01:06:57.000 But...

01:06:58.000 The other hand, like, fuck, man, passing by people who didn't make it.

01:07:02.000 Right.

01:07:03.000 You know?

01:07:04.000 Two climbers found a woman alone and dying, yelling, please don't leave me, but were forced to continue and let her die as they had no means to help her, and staying would risk their own lives.

01:07:12.000 They felt so guilty, they spent years saving up enough money to finally return and give her a proper burial.

01:07:18.000 Oh, my God.

01:07:19.000 So what made them able to hang out with her the second time?

01:07:23.000 Oh, my God.

01:07:23.000 I know, right?

01:07:24.000 Oh, hey, there's that lady that we didn't save.

01:07:28.000 Fuck.

01:07:29.000 It's so crazy.

01:07:31.000 I read this story about this woman who climbed Mount Everest because she wanted to prove that being a vegan didn't make you weak.

01:07:38.000 And she died.

01:07:42.000 There's another one.

01:07:43.000 Look at that body.

01:07:44.000 Fuck that.

01:07:46.000 Frozen, pale, white.

01:07:49.000 Scroll back.

01:07:50.000 The body was named Green Boots, perhaps the most well-known body on Everest.

01:07:55.000 His real name was Swang Pajor.

01:08:01.000 He died during the 1996 Mount Everest disaster.

01:08:05.000 While descending from the summit, he was trapped in a blizzard and died due to exposure.

01:08:10.000 Is there another mountain that people die like crazy?

01:08:14.000 They die on K2. Yeah, K2 kills a lot of people.

01:08:17.000 And then there's other mountains where, like, that's one of the things they covered in The Alpinists, where, like, a quarter of the people who try to summit it die.

01:08:26.000 Man.

01:08:26.000 Yeah, these fucking people, man.

01:08:29.000 Look at this.

01:08:30.000 29% fatality rate.

01:08:32.000 More than a quarter.

01:08:34.000 The main peak of Annapurna Massif is the most dangerous of the world's mountains with a 29% fatality rate of everyone who tries to climb it.

01:08:44.000 Since 1900, an estimated 244 expeditions have resulted in 72 deaths.

01:08:51.000 Fuck.

01:08:52.000 And the next most dangerous, Kangchenjuana.

01:08:57.000 With a slightly higher death rate.

01:08:59.000 29.1% death rate.

01:09:03.000 Yes.

01:09:05.000 Yeah, 29%.

01:09:06.000 K2, almost as dangerous.

01:09:09.000 Yeah.

01:09:10.000 Everest, by contrast, is a 4% fatality rate.

01:09:13.000 So Everest is for pussies.

01:09:19.000 Still 4%.

01:09:20.000 You grow up with 100 people, four of them are going to die.

01:09:23.000 Right.

01:09:24.000 I think that...

01:09:25.000 I think that...

01:09:29.000 So many people are just hyper-focused on not contemplating their mortality.

01:09:38.000 They fail to live deliberately while they're alive.

01:09:44.000 There's an argument for that.

01:09:46.000 You know, there's people that don't want to take any risks at all.

01:09:48.000 Listen, I certainly take risks.

01:09:51.000 I'm not suggesting that you should take risks or anything like that.

01:09:56.000 I just think that by living with your blinders on...

01:10:00.000 You know, like, I have this theory that, you know, particularly in Western civilization, like America, where we live, like, actually being old...

01:10:13.000 It's like a fucking party foul.

01:10:15.000 People want to take elderly folks and just shuttle them into a nursing home and not deal with them, not look at them.

01:10:28.000 Old people serve as a reminder of your mortality, and it just bums people out, like being old is a party foul.

01:10:37.000 Well, there's that, but there's also people can't take care of people.

01:10:41.000 They don't have the ability.

01:10:43.000 If you're working full time and you have a career and a family and your father is unable to take care of himself anymore, you're left with a limited amount of options.

01:10:52.000 What are you going to do?

01:10:54.000 Are you going to abandon your life for the next 10 years so that you can take care of this person 24 hours a day?

01:10:58.000 Right.

01:10:58.000 Or are you gonna put him in some sort of a medical facility?

01:11:03.000 But then the big fear is that he gets abused there.

01:11:05.000 That is the saddest, scariest shit when you see those videos of people getting abused in nursing homes, like hidden camera footage of The last days of your life, some young asshole is fucking smacking you in the head and shoving your face in food.

01:11:21.000 I haven't seen any of those videos.

01:11:23.000 I'm glad I haven't.

01:11:24.000 Oh, those are horrible.

01:11:24.000 They're horrible.

01:11:25.000 Yeah, and maybe it's not about putting people in nursing homes, but I just think that there's a real, like, a real, like, living with the blinders on, like, I don't want to think about it, la, la, la, la.

01:11:38.000 And then you end up...

01:11:40.000 You know, further down the road thinking like, oh man, why didn't I do this?

01:11:44.000 Why didn't I do that?

01:11:45.000 As opposed to really like being deliberate and living the life you would want to have lived when it's coming to an end.

01:11:55.000 Well, I think it's also a learned thing to be able to take chances.

01:12:00.000 And if you go through your life, and maybe you have a family, and your family is your mother and your father are averse to risks, and they play everything safe, and then they drill it into your head to play it safe, and then all of a sudden you're 35,

01:12:17.000 you don't know how to do anything risky.

01:12:19.000 This is like the life you've always lived.

01:12:21.000 I mean, there's how many people that just live this sedentary lifestyle and they're just gelatinous blobs sitting in a chair every day and trying to avoid risk.

01:12:30.000 And by the way, those are the people that freaked out the most when COVID came along because they were really, like, genuinely vulnerable.

01:12:38.000 Whereas, you know, if you're an athlete and you're relatively healthy, that was not something you were as terrified of and those people got mad at those people.

01:12:47.000 That weren't terrified because for them it was literally like there was a demon waiting to get them because they were scared.

01:12:54.000 And the crazy thing was when those people got vaccinated and they're like, well, I'm the smart one.

01:13:00.000 I'm taking care of myself.

01:13:01.000 What are you doing?

01:13:02.000 Bitch, you live in a glass house.

01:13:05.000 Your body is barely functional and you have no resiliency.

01:13:11.000 You know, that vaccine, it'll help you a little, but you've got other problems.

01:13:16.000 Like, you're obese, and that is one of the number one causes of death.

01:13:20.000 Like, the idea that you're going to be safe from danger because you got a COVID vaccine.

01:13:26.000 Like, okay, well, maybe you'll be safer from COVID, but you're still vulnerable as fuck if you're obese.

01:13:33.000 It is one of the worst things, and it's 40% of the United States.

01:13:37.000 Right.

01:13:38.000 I mean, somebody said this, said, you see super old people smoking cigarettes all the time.

01:13:48.000 Because they're like, fuck it.

01:13:50.000 But how often do you see super old obese people?

01:13:54.000 You don't.

01:13:55.000 You don't.

01:13:56.000 I mean, when you put it in those terms, it becomes very evident that obese...

01:14:00.000 Some people can just smoke for whatever reason.

01:14:04.000 Right.

01:14:05.000 It's weird.

01:14:06.000 Did you see that Chinese guy who's running marathons?

01:14:09.000 He ran a marathon in three and a half hours while smoking cigarettes?

01:14:13.000 See who can find that cat.

01:14:15.000 You got him?

01:14:16.000 I mean, it's hilarious seeing this guy run.

01:14:18.000 He's running really good times.

01:14:19.000 Look at him.

01:14:21.000 He's an older guy, too.

01:14:23.000 Uncle Chen, long-distance chain-smoking grandpa, runs a marathon 3.5 hours.

01:14:29.000 So this dude is fucking chain-smoking while he's running a marathon.

01:14:34.000 And he's a grandpa.

01:14:37.000 But he's running, like, a real good time.

01:14:40.000 Like, 3.5 hours.

01:14:42.000 Okay, hold on a second.

01:14:44.000 Back up.

01:14:44.000 Back up to that video.

01:14:46.000 That guy's younger than me.

01:14:48.000 By five years.

01:14:50.000 So fuck that.

01:14:51.000 I just changed my tune.

01:14:53.000 I'm in way better shape than that guy.

01:14:55.000 That was like, remember when we saw that old dude that got in a fight outside of the bar?

01:14:58.000 And I was like, look at that old man!

01:14:59.000 Because they said he was like a 92 year old boxer and he's fucking these dudes up.

01:15:02.000 And then I found that he was younger than me.

01:15:04.000 He was actually only 53. I was like, oh, well, he's in terrible shape.

01:15:07.000 That time is pretty fast.

01:15:08.000 I was just looking at the New York City Marathon qualifying times, and for a 40 to 40-year-old, you have to be under four hours, and this is a half an hour faster than that.

01:15:17.000 Yeah, no, that's a legit time.

01:15:19.000 Like a really good marathon runner, three hours is the goal, right?

01:15:22.000 They want to get under three hours.

01:15:23.000 That guy's fucking hoofing it at 50 years old, and he's smoking cigs the whole way.

01:15:29.000 Look at him.

01:15:31.000 Yeah.

01:15:32.000 It's better than being obese.

01:15:34.000 Fuck cigarettes, man.

01:15:35.000 Yeah, fuck all that stuff.

01:15:37.000 But look at them.

01:15:39.000 Healthy as fuck.

01:15:39.000 You know, in Thailand, a lot of the Thai fighters smoke cigarettes.

01:15:44.000 A lot of the Thai boxers, they smoke and they drink, and then they fight.

01:15:48.000 Yeah.

01:15:49.000 It's crazy.

01:15:50.000 Yeah, super crazy.

01:15:52.000 So, dude, I got to tell you about how I wrote about you in my new book.

01:15:59.000 You did?

01:15:59.000 Yeah.

01:16:00.000 I did.

01:16:01.000 Just as an example, where I was talking about how I got into stand-up.

01:16:07.000 Certain people were not particularly supportive.

01:16:14.000 I made an example about how I went on Marc Maron's podcast to promote my first special.

01:16:22.000 There I was, and he says, I gotta admit, I'm kind of a purist when it comes to stand-up.

01:16:29.000 And when I saw that you were doing stand-up, I didn't like it.

01:16:33.000 And I remember thinking, why is he saying this?

01:16:38.000 He said the same thing to me when I first started doing stand-up.

01:16:41.000 Right.

01:16:42.000 Fuck off.

01:16:43.000 Stand-up is an art form.

01:16:45.000 Anyone can do an art form.

01:16:46.000 Sure.

01:16:47.000 And as I broke this down in my book, I said that I really believe that the...

01:16:58.000 That's an example of somebody operating with a mentality of scarcity, where the idea is that in reality, these people are concerned that if Steve-O comes in to stand-up and has success, that that means that there is going to be less on the table from them.

01:17:17.000 It's going to take away from them.

01:17:18.000 There's not enough to go around.

01:17:21.000 And that this is their way of dealing with what they perceive as a threat.

01:17:28.000 And that's operating with the mentality of scarcity.

01:17:31.000 And then, there's people like Joe Rogan, who operate with a mentality of abundance, where you're perfectly comfortable that there's enough to go around, and you're not threatened by anything, you actually encourage people to get into it.

01:17:45.000 And I just had to, you know, I'm so fucking grateful for that.

01:17:49.000 You know, for the way that you supported me, for the way that you support everybody, and that you just want there to be more funny shit in the world.

01:17:56.000 Well, thank you.

01:17:57.000 But I think I encourage people to try things.

01:18:00.000 And look, the idea that...

01:18:01.000 Look, everyone talks.

01:18:03.000 Stand-up is talking and being funny while you're talking.

01:18:05.000 That's what it is.

01:18:06.000 It's like you tell stories, you figure it out.

01:18:10.000 The idea that only one group of people should be able to do this and that it's our thing, like, fuck off.

01:18:18.000 The only people that think that way, they lack self-examination or they're using criticism to avoid looking at their own problems.

01:18:27.000 There's a great quote that I overuse, but I'm going to say it one more time.

01:18:31.000 Most criticism is the tragic result of unmet needs.

01:18:35.000 They haven't done enough.

01:18:36.000 So they find flaws in other people that maybe don't even exist.

01:18:41.000 But the idea that you shouldn't be able to try stand-up because they do it and it's my thing, it's our thing.

01:18:49.000 Well, first of all, I think you You'd be better at it if that was your thing.

01:18:53.000 And second of all, this idea that no one else should be able to do it because they come from some other world or some other career or some other thing.

01:19:01.000 Look, I don't give a fuck if you're a musician or your Dean Del Rey.

01:19:05.000 He didn't even start doing it until he was in his 40s and he became a very good stand-up.

01:19:09.000 Anyone can do comedy.

01:19:12.000 You might not be able to.

01:19:14.000 Look, you might not have it in you, but if you do, I hope you do.

01:19:19.000 I support you.

01:19:20.000 It's a wonderful thing to be able to do, to be able to go out in front of a group of people and make them all laugh and make them all feel better.

01:19:26.000 Why the fuck wouldn't you encourage more of that?

01:19:29.000 There's not that many of us.

01:19:32.000 If the idea that it's a fucking famine mentality, boy, what a famine it is then, because there's only like a thousand of us on Earth.

01:19:40.000 How many fucking professional stand-ups are there?

01:19:43.000 There's a million doctors in America.

01:19:45.000 How many fucking stand-ups are there?

01:19:47.000 There's so few that are like legitimate professional stand-ups that can consistently churn out a new hour over the next few years and perform in front of live audiences on a regular basis and kill.

01:20:00.000 There's so few.

01:20:02.000 There's so fucking few.

01:20:03.000 The idea that you would encourage that, what do you want, the art form to die off?

01:20:07.000 You know, because like it kind of almost did during COVID. I mean, COVID got weird.

01:20:12.000 You know, people were doing Zoom stand-up and people were doing stand-up behind glass.

01:20:16.000 Drive-in shit.

01:20:18.000 Well, you know, Bert did that and that actually worked.

01:20:21.000 Yeah, Bill Burr was telling me about doing that.

01:20:23.000 Yeah, Burr did those.

01:20:24.000 A lot of people did outdoor shows.

01:20:26.000 Look, I did a lot of outdoor shows during the pandemic with Chappelle.

01:20:28.000 We did it at Stubbs in town, which is like this outside amphitheater.

01:20:32.000 But we did, like, you know, COVID bubble, tested everybody, tested the entire crowd.

01:20:36.000 So you had to get there half an hour before you got seated and everybody got tested.

01:20:41.000 But the idea that, like, you shouldn't do it and it's my thing.

01:20:46.000 Right.

01:20:46.000 That's just a stupid person.

01:20:48.000 I'm so fucking glad I did it, dude.

01:20:49.000 Fuck yeah.

01:20:50.000 You should be glad.

01:20:51.000 It's fun.

01:20:52.000 Isn't it great?

01:20:53.000 It's fun.

01:20:54.000 Like, when I started out doing it.

01:20:57.000 And dude, it's crazy.

01:20:59.000 I started touring in 2010. You're 12 years in a comedy now.

01:21:04.000 Isn't that wild?

01:21:05.000 Super wild.

01:21:06.000 The first time I tried stand-up was 2006. So, like, way long.

01:21:11.000 But I've only been, like, really, like, in earnest touring since 2010. There's a thing that comics also do, where they don't treat beginners like they're comics.

01:21:22.000 And I'm opposed to that, too.

01:21:24.000 Well, first of all, I'm a martial artist, so I come from this mentality where you're always encouraging people to try.

01:21:31.000 Because even if you're never going to be very good at martial arts, it will be very good for you.

01:21:37.000 It will benefit you to try to get better at this difficult thing, because it is a vehicle for developing your human potential.

01:21:43.000 I feel like everything that you do that is difficult is a vehicle for developing your human potential.

01:21:49.000 Whether it's learning how to play chess, learning a new language, writing a book, anything you do that's difficult allows you to confront your character flaws and allows you to confront your discipline issues, allows you to confront all the thoughts that are in your mind that maybe you haven't properly organized,

01:22:05.000 and it gives you a chance to excel at life.

01:22:09.000 And for people that don't understand that or don't get that, they're generally selfish or narcissistic.

01:22:15.000 There's something wrong with them that they don't see that a person who is attempting to do this difficult thing should be encouraged.

01:22:22.000 Because, like, just because you started when you're 35 as opposed to starting when you're 21 or whatever, nonsense.

01:22:30.000 Like, I met a woman who, she started doing jujitsu when she was 58 years old, and she got her black belt in her 60s.

01:22:37.000 That's amazing.

01:22:38.000 That's an amazing accomplishment.

01:22:40.000 Now is that lady gonna go to the UFC and fuck everybody up?

01:22:42.000 No.

01:22:43.000 So if she shouldn't, should she not be encouraged?

01:22:45.000 That's crazy.

01:22:46.000 And the idea that it belongs to the youth or it belongs to people who have been in the arts their whole life, that's nonsense.

01:22:55.000 It's such a foolish way of approaching life.

01:22:58.000 And it's also like you're defining yourself in this very egotistical way and like that you're a purist and you're a purveyor of the truth and you're the only way that this should be done is my way.

01:23:12.000 Nonsense.

01:23:13.000 Pure nonsense.

01:23:15.000 By fools.

01:23:17.000 Only a fool would think that way.

01:23:19.000 Yeah.

01:23:20.000 To what you're saying about the martial arts, I really feel strongly that skateboarding Instilled in me the most crucial shit in life.

01:23:32.000 I'm sure.

01:23:33.000 It's hard.

01:23:34.000 It's super fucking hard.

01:23:35.000 It's fucking hard to do.

01:23:37.000 1985, the Back to the Future movie came out.

01:23:40.000 I was in sixth grade and I saw Michael J. Fox holding onto the back of the fucking car, cruising around.

01:23:46.000 I saw the skateboard tricks in the movie and I was like, dude, I gotta...

01:23:49.000 Every kid thought, I gotta fucking try it.

01:23:51.000 There was a fucking skateboard underneath every goddamn Christmas tree that year.

01:23:57.000 And every kid had a skateboard.

01:24:00.000 It was the wildest fad ever.

01:24:02.000 And in short order, every kid found out how fucking hard it was to ride this goddamn thing.

01:24:08.000 Every kid trying to ride it fell down and hurt themselves.

01:24:12.000 At least 90% of these kids, these skateboards went totally unused.

01:24:18.000 And the kids that didn't put it away, the kids that stuck with it, I mean, right there, dude, that is like a white hot core of just the fucking persistence, dedication, like fucking sacrifice.

01:24:35.000 Like skateboarding weeds out pussies and quitters and just isolates kids who will...

01:24:46.000 Figure it out.

01:24:47.000 Yeah, just put effort and fucking tenacity and on top of that, with the getting hurt and the fucking doing it, the sacrifice, and then on top of that, everything that you're riding your skateboard on,

01:25:04.000 you're effectively fucking vandalizing.

01:25:09.000 Rebellion.

01:25:09.000 There's like a criminal piece to it, this anti-authority piece to it.

01:25:15.000 There's just this...

01:25:17.000 And even further, there's no other activity in the world that lent itself to documenting what you're doing with a video camera.

01:25:28.000 So skateboarders got a super leg up on video production.

01:25:34.000 Spike Jonze's very first video project was a skateboard video.

01:25:39.000 No kidding.

01:25:40.000 He started out as a photographer for a skateboard company.

01:25:45.000 And the guy in charge of that skateboard company decided that he wanted to make a video because that was in the 80s.

01:25:51.000 This was what was putting companies in front of other companies.

01:25:54.000 He's like, man, I want to make a video.

01:25:56.000 He didn't have anybody to make the video.

01:25:58.000 He just had Spike Jones, who was a photographer.

01:26:01.000 And Spike got that job by default.

01:26:04.000 And that was the 1980s.

01:26:06.000 It was his first video project.

01:26:08.000 And then, boom, look at him.

01:26:09.000 He's fucking got Oscars.

01:26:10.000 That's amazing.

01:26:12.000 Yeah.

01:26:12.000 I support people doing things that are difficult because I think through doing things that are difficult, you learn about yourself.

01:26:19.000 You know, there's this...

01:26:20.000 My right arm, I have a tattoo of Miyamoto Musashi because I read a quote when I was 16 years old when I was doing martial arts.

01:26:29.000 I read The Book of Five Rings.

01:26:31.000 And this is...

01:26:34.000 That's Miyamoto Musashi on my right arm.

01:26:37.000 And he wrote this book, The Book of Five Rings, which was a book on strategy.

01:26:41.000 And Miyamoto Musashi was a samurai who killed 62 men in one-on-one combat.

01:26:49.000 And he wrote this incredible book about it.

01:26:52.000 But one of the things he wrote in the book was, once you understand the way broadly, you can see it in all things.

01:27:00.000 And I think that all difficult things are development.

01:27:04.000 They aid you in developing your human potential.

01:27:06.000 And you find a way to get out of your own way by getting good at all kinds of things.

01:27:11.000 You cut through the bullshit.

01:27:13.000 You think you're great at skateboarding.

01:27:14.000 No, you're not.

01:27:15.000 You suck at it.

01:27:16.000 You've got to get better at it.

01:27:17.000 And the only way to get better at it is to practice it until you get better at it.

01:27:20.000 And then you find that way.

01:27:22.000 And in that way of getting better at that, you could apply that to playing the piano.

01:27:26.000 You could apply that to playing chess.

01:27:28.000 Everything.

01:27:28.000 You can apply it to everything.

01:27:29.000 And that's why I have this tattoo.

01:27:31.000 That's what it means to me.

01:27:32.000 It's like this idea is that difficult things are tools.

01:27:38.000 They're tools to maximize the way your mind interacts with life.

01:27:43.000 Yeah.

01:27:45.000 For sure.

01:27:46.000 Yeah, so whether it's stand-up or learning how to play guitar or whatever it is, you can get better at things.

01:27:52.000 And when I see a guy who's a comic and they're an open-miker and they get a couple of laughs on stage, I treat them the same way I treat a headliner or the same way I treat someone who I work with on the road.

01:28:04.000 That's a comic.

01:28:06.000 I don't say, you're not a comic yet.

01:28:08.000 You're not a comic yet.

01:28:09.000 Well, you're certainly not good yet, but that's okay.

01:28:12.000 That's the same as a white belt.

01:28:13.000 If I see someone who's a white belt in jiu-jitsu, I don't say, oh, you fucking suck.

01:28:17.000 You're not even good yet.

01:28:18.000 You're not even black belt.

01:28:19.000 Well, it takes a while to get good, but if you keep going, you'll get good.

01:28:22.000 Dude, it takes a long time.

01:28:23.000 I try to encourage people.

01:28:24.000 It's fucking...

01:28:25.000 Getting good at stand-up takes a long time, man.

01:28:27.000 Fuck yeah, it does.

01:28:28.000 It keeps going, too.

01:28:29.000 You keep getting better.

01:28:30.000 Oh, dude, 100%.

01:28:31.000 You keep getting better.

01:28:32.000 The...

01:28:35.000 For me, when I first started, it felt like such a departure from, you know, like, you know, I've been doing this jackass shit.

01:28:44.000 Now I'm going to do stand-up and it's going to be separate, you know, and I'm just going to devote myself to it and I'm going to work to establish myself in it.

01:28:52.000 And it was just me and the microphone.

01:28:54.000 And I would do like, you know, I would have like a set of stand-up and then I would do like a set of like silly circus tricks, you know, like whatever and like have that be part of my show.

01:29:06.000 And I did my first special.

01:29:08.000 It came out in 2016. And I can't watch that shit, man.

01:29:13.000 Of course.

01:29:14.000 It's so gnarly.

01:29:16.000 Like, this whole, like, I had this thing, like, with fucking, like...

01:29:20.000 Was that when Tim Kennedy choked you unconscious?

01:29:22.000 Yeah.

01:29:22.000 I told you not to do that, too.

01:29:24.000 Well, it would have been fine, except I told him to drop me.

01:29:27.000 Yeah, that's not good.

01:29:28.000 And you get a head injury.

01:29:30.000 Right, right.

01:29:31.000 But then...

01:29:34.000 What happened was really interesting after I taped that special.

01:29:39.000 Then I went to go put together my next hour.

01:29:43.000 And as I was putting together that second hour, it occurred to me one night that the stories that I was telling comprising this new act of were things that largely happened on video camera.

01:29:56.000 So then I thought, oh my god, what if my next special in post-production, I interstitially edit in the footage of the story's unfolding so that it's got a multimedia quality to it.

01:30:12.000 Yeah, that's great.

01:30:13.000 Dude, my head exploded.

01:30:14.000 I got so fucking excited about it.

01:30:16.000 And then what happened next was I had to see it See if it worked.

01:30:22.000 So I started recording my sets and then editing the footage into it.

01:30:29.000 And this was like the biggest thing for me because prior to that, I just resisted studying footage of my stand-up.

01:30:39.000 Like a lot of comics have a lot of trouble watching footage of their performance.

01:30:44.000 It just makes you uncomfortable.

01:30:45.000 Makes you cringe.

01:30:46.000 Yeah.

01:30:49.000 And that all went away because I had this idea.

01:30:53.000 I got to see what editing the footage was.

01:30:55.000 So it forced me to study my stand-up.

01:31:01.000 I record my sets, I put it in the computer, and I bring in the footage.

01:31:06.000 Dude, I saw it right away.

01:31:08.000 I'm like, this fucking works.

01:31:10.000 This is epic.

01:31:13.000 The way that that forced me to study footage of my stand-up, the craziest thing, the things that made me cringe, I addressed them.

01:31:23.000 It sped up the progression of my stand-up so much by studying it.

01:31:31.000 And the best thing, too, was that for the next couple of years, That I toured with that hour, I did not have the footage with me on the road as a crutch to lean on.

01:31:45.000 For that whole tour, it was just me and the microphone.

01:31:49.000 And the shows were successful in their own right.

01:31:53.000 I got through it just me and the microphone.

01:31:55.000 No benefit.

01:31:56.000 And the footage came in in post-production.

01:31:59.000 So then I put out that special.

01:32:05.000 As far as I know, that was the world's first fucking multimedia stand-up comedy special.

01:32:11.000 I put it out on my own website and I fucking killed it.

01:32:14.000 That was when I duct taped myself to the billboards.

01:32:17.000 Did you ever see that?

01:32:17.000 Yeah, I did.

01:32:18.000 Yeah, that was to promote me putting out my own special.

01:32:22.000 And I was fucking super successful with it.

01:32:25.000 That's awesome.

01:32:27.000 But by the time I put that out, Then I had two really big things that were kind of irking me.

01:32:37.000 Up to that point, my stand-up had been an exercise in living in the past.

01:32:42.000 It's just like, oh, you know, old footage, like old fucking memory lane shit.

01:32:47.000 I felt like I was turning into a schmuck who won't shut up about what he could bench press in high school.

01:32:52.000 Oh, right.

01:32:53.000 Like Al Bundy talking about the high school football days.

01:32:56.000 Right.

01:32:57.000 So what I wanted to do next for the third hour was to create All new content, new material that's current, and I wanted to bring footage with me on the road.

01:33:13.000 So I set about taping new high-level ass shit.

01:33:20.000 And what's so rad about it is that over the last 12 years, my various worlds have all just converged into one.

01:33:28.000 So now when you go see me on tour, you're seeing me perform stand-up, I tell a story and then after I get done telling that story, then I screen the footage.

01:33:41.000 Oh, so you add it in the actual audience.

01:33:44.000 The audience sees it too.

01:33:46.000 Now the footage comes with me on the road.

01:33:47.000 That's a great idea.

01:33:48.000 It's a great idea.

01:33:48.000 Look, the idea that you should only do stand-up one way is also stupid.

01:33:52.000 Yeah, dude, it works so fucking well for me.

01:33:55.000 Sure!

01:33:56.000 You have so many different fucking things you've done.

01:33:59.000 Yeah.

01:33:59.000 I mean, so few people have that many extreme experiences.

01:34:02.000 You almost got killed by lions.

01:34:05.000 Who will fucking say that?

01:34:07.000 There's so many experiences that you have like that.

01:34:10.000 That's great.

01:34:11.000 So, dude, I'm just really, really excited about it.

01:34:14.000 This is my new tour.

01:34:15.000 It's called The Bucket List.

01:34:17.000 And The Bucket List is just the most preposterous fucking ideas that I ever came up with.

01:34:25.000 And I never expected that I would do any of them.

01:34:28.000 And then at a certain point, I was just like, fuck it, dude.

01:34:30.000 That's the shit that hasn't been done.

01:34:32.000 I'm going to do it.

01:34:35.000 I've got to let people know.

01:34:38.000 I graduated from comedy clubs after 11 years in comedy clubs.

01:34:44.000 Made it to theaters.

01:34:45.000 Now I'm traveling on a tour bus.

01:34:48.000 The whole deal, it's exploded.

01:34:53.000 I've got a bunch of dates in December starting November 29th in Philly.

01:35:01.000 I've got New York.

01:35:02.000 All around, I'm doing a run of Of the U.S. in December.

01:35:06.000 So when you do stand-up, are you doing mostly talking about stories, or do you just make observations, too?

01:35:14.000 Do you talk about different things about life?

01:35:17.000 It's absolutely storytelling, but I'm going for maximum laughs per minute.

01:35:24.000 It's all about building jokes into the stories.

01:35:28.000 So when you write, do you sit down physically and write?

01:35:33.000 Or do you say, I have this story, let me figure out how to make this story better on stage?

01:35:38.000 How are you doing that?

01:35:40.000 It'll work different ways.

01:35:41.000 Sometimes I'll write it.

01:35:43.000 Sometimes I'll just go out and have the experience.

01:35:49.000 I'll have the crazy idea for whatever the The stunt is and I'll go and film it and then Having filmed it then I'll go to the comedy store and just take ten minutes to just work on that chunk And so when you go on the road are you bringing traditional stand-ups to open for you?

01:36:10.000 Are you just going out by yourself?

01:36:11.000 How are you doing that?

01:36:12.000 I've done it all different ways.

01:36:14.000 I've had a I bring the guys from Jackass.

01:36:21.000 I just had Wee Man with me in Canada, and that's a hoot.

01:36:27.000 I'll cycle in dudes from Jackass.

01:36:32.000 For a while, I had my tour manager, who's just terrified of public speaking.

01:36:37.000 And I'm like, dude, I'm gonna make you do it.

01:36:40.000 And he did stand-up?

01:36:41.000 Oh, God.

01:36:42.000 He would...

01:36:44.000 Let's do that to the audience.

01:36:46.000 He only did like five minutes.

01:36:50.000 The thing was that at that point, we still had...

01:36:54.000 We were in comedy clubs still.

01:36:59.000 And the comedy club would bring in someone to be a feature.

01:37:06.000 And there was no pertinence to it.

01:37:10.000 It was like you've got this random guy doing random material about it.

01:37:14.000 And I thought, man, why not fucking have my guy do it?

01:37:20.000 And plus the other thing too was that he started out, my tour manager is now my business partner, Started out as my professional cock blocker.

01:37:34.000 Because, you know, I had some serious sexual...

01:37:39.000 Yeah, we talked about this the last time you were here.

01:37:41.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:37:42.000 You needed someone to keep you from going on a rampage.

01:37:45.000 Right.

01:37:46.000 Well, I think it's the same mindset that would make you a drug addict.

01:37:50.000 It's the same thing.

01:37:51.000 For sure, for sure.

01:37:52.000 So the fact that...

01:37:53.000 He could go out on stage and be like, we met in sex addict rehab.

01:37:58.000 It's pretty fucking funny.

01:38:01.000 There was a lot built into it that made that make sense.

01:38:05.000 Isn't it interesting how the mind works?

01:38:07.000 How the same thing that would make you a sex addict would also make you get really good at comedy?

01:38:13.000 Because you obsess on things, and then you just try to get more of it.

01:38:18.000 How do I get those laughs?

01:38:20.000 How do I figure it out?

01:38:21.000 How do I present it to people that it's funnier and get those pops?

01:38:26.000 Yeah, and it's crazy how some things you think are going to work so well don't work.

01:38:30.000 And then other things that...

01:38:32.000 But you figured it out.

01:38:34.000 Some people never figured out.

01:38:35.000 That's the saddest shit.

01:38:36.000 The saddest shit is that people, there's comics that, look, I'm all for everyone trying comedy, but some people don't ever get it.

01:38:45.000 They never get it.

01:38:46.000 And I don't know why.

01:38:47.000 I don't know what it is.

01:38:49.000 Some people get it.

01:38:50.000 Like, I saw guys that used to struggle, like Sebastian used to struggle.

01:38:54.000 He used to struggle.

01:38:55.000 And then one day, I hadn't seen him in a while, because I got kicked out of the Comedy Store in 2007, and I was on the road, and I was in Vegas.

01:39:03.000 I'm pretty sure I was in Vegas for a UFC, and I was alone in my hotel room watching TV, just flipping through the channels, and Showtime came on, and Sebastian was on.

01:39:11.000 Sebastian's got a special.

01:39:13.000 And it was fucking great!

01:39:15.000 It was really funny.

01:39:17.000 And I remember tweeting it, saying how fucking funny it is.

01:39:19.000 And I got a hold of him.

01:39:21.000 I said, dude, that was awesome.

01:39:22.000 I just loved it.

01:39:23.000 I loved that he found his confidence.

01:39:26.000 He found that thing, whatever it is, that swagger.

01:39:29.000 He figured it out.

01:39:30.000 Dude, how good is fucking Ari's juice special?

01:39:35.000 It's amazing.

01:39:36.000 I'm so fucking impressed by that.

01:39:38.000 I'm so happy for him.

01:39:39.000 I'm so happy for him because that was something that he worked on for a long time.

01:39:43.000 Evidently.

01:39:44.000 I mean, dude, it's like...

01:39:45.000 It's really good.

01:39:46.000 Fucking really good and it's getting really really well received and he's at like more than three million downloads now it's three three million two hundred twenty seven thousand nine hundred ninety six Amazing and that's only in two weeks.

01:40:01.000 It's incredible not even two weeks 13 days Every day more and more people are watching it, and it's really fucking good, and he worked really hard on it.

01:40:09.000 And that's a thing, man.

01:40:10.000 You can fucking get better at stuff if you can do it.

01:40:13.000 But the thing is, comedy is a weird thing.

01:40:17.000 I encourage everyone to try martial arts.

01:40:20.000 The difference is...

01:40:22.000 With martial arts, you might always suck and you're going to try to get better, but at least there's like techniques that you can use that everybody uses.

01:40:31.000 With comedy, it's your own mind.

01:40:33.000 Yeah.

01:40:34.000 It's like you seeing the world.

01:40:35.000 It's like you can't really...

01:40:36.000 I mean, you really shouldn't use other people's premises and try to copy their shit.

01:40:41.000 Oh, really?

01:40:41.000 Yeah, it's a fucking problem with people.

01:40:43.000 We've had problems with people where, like, you know, they'll, like, guys opening for guys will start doing bits on the same subject these people cover after they, even setting them up the same way.

01:40:54.000 Like, I had to talk to a guy about it recently.

01:40:56.000 I'm like, hey, motherfucker, you gotta stop doing that.

01:40:59.000 Like, you're literally, you're in the neighborhood of stealing.

01:41:03.000 Because you're working for a guy and you're doing his premises before he does them.

01:41:07.000 Yeah.

01:41:08.000 It's called stepping on premises.

01:41:10.000 I'm happy to report that that is not a concern.

01:41:14.000 Well, obviously, of course.

01:41:15.000 But my point is that, like, for some people, they just can't do it for whatever reason.

01:41:21.000 Right.

01:41:21.000 I don't know why.

01:41:21.000 That's the bummer.

01:41:23.000 Because, like, even though I'm encouraging people to do stand-up, there's, like, certain people that, like, want to do sets on my shows.

01:41:28.000 I'm like...

01:41:30.000 No.

01:41:30.000 I can't have you on.

01:41:32.000 You're just not good.

01:41:34.000 How do you say that to someone?

01:41:35.000 You put me in a position where you're asking me to perform on my show, but I can't have you on.

01:41:39.000 Or I'll have you on once or twice, and then I'm like, this is not...

01:41:42.000 You can't do this.

01:41:44.000 It's the worst.

01:41:45.000 It's horrible.

01:41:46.000 When you've got someone opening for you that's not doing a good job...

01:41:49.000 It's a bummer.

01:41:50.000 So uncomfortable.

01:41:52.000 And it's another thing that people who suck do.

01:41:54.000 They like to take people on the road with them who suck.

01:41:56.000 Because they want to come in and rescue them.

01:42:00.000 Like people that are like mildly competent, they want to bring like the worst opening acts so that this audience has to suffer through 20 minutes of nonsense.

01:42:08.000 Well, right.

01:42:08.000 A lot of people are threatened by someone getting on there and killing it.

01:42:14.000 Yeah, that's another famine mentality thing.

01:42:16.000 I try to bring the best fucking people I can find.

01:42:19.000 I try to bring just straight-up killers, headliners.

01:42:23.000 Ian Edwards.

01:42:25.000 Yeah, everybody.

01:42:26.000 Joey Diaz.

01:42:27.000 I brought Ari on the road with me for years.

01:42:29.000 Tom Segura.

01:42:31.000 Doing stand-up with other people that are really funny makes you better.

01:42:34.000 It's like iron sharpens iron.

01:42:36.000 You can go over jokes together.

01:42:39.000 You can talk about approaches like, hey, that first set, I did it this way, but I think I'm going to do it that way.

01:42:45.000 And they're like, oh, I have a bit where I did it fucked up for a while, but then I figured this out.

01:42:49.000 Right.

01:42:50.000 That's the beauty of the art form is that there's this weird puzzle that you're trying to put together and you're trying to like work it all out in front of live audience members.

01:42:59.000 Like I'm in this weird place right now where I'm writing all this new shit because I've just filmed a special so now I'm trying to piece together a whole new hour and like I have these premises that are like infants.

01:43:08.000 They can barely walk.

01:43:10.000 They're like toddler premises.

01:43:11.000 Trying to find like where the beats are and you gotta let them grow just like a toddler you got to let them fucking develop muscles and Figure out coordination.

01:43:21.000 You got to put together these things and it's it's a challenge One of the unique things about stand-up is every time you release a special or you record a special, then you have to start from scratch.

01:43:32.000 Right.

01:43:32.000 You know, like my manager was talking to me about doing new tour dates.

01:43:36.000 I'm like, I'm not doing shit for a long time.

01:43:38.000 Like, I'm not doing shit for months.

01:43:39.000 I'm doing local shows where I can do old shit and then fuck around with new shit.

01:43:43.000 And then once I release my special, then there's no more of that old stuff.

01:43:46.000 That's dead to me.

01:43:48.000 For sure.

01:43:48.000 Now I have to write and you gotta figure it out and...

01:43:52.000 It's hard, but that challenge makes you new.

01:43:57.000 You have the benefit of being almost like a beginner.

01:44:01.000 You have an understanding of how to make things funny, but you're a beginner in the sense that you don't have formed bits anymore.

01:44:07.000 You don't have any weapons.

01:44:08.000 Right.

01:44:09.000 I took eight months off.

01:44:11.000 Chunking together my new hour.

01:44:13.000 Mmm.

01:44:14.000 Yeah, and It's almost time to do that again.

01:44:18.000 It's a lot of work.

01:44:19.000 Yeah, but it's exciting and it's also humbling right and I think that's a good thing about comedy that doesn't exist in music If you are a band that had some big hits you could tour forever with those hits and people get excited If you try to tour forever with some old stand-up unless you're Dice Clay Yeah,

01:44:37.000 but...

01:44:38.000 Because those rhymes.

01:44:39.000 He would just do that at the end.

01:44:41.000 Yes, of course.

01:44:42.000 Of course.

01:44:43.000 I mean, but the fact is, like, when everyone knew his material, they still wanted to come see him in arenas.

01:44:51.000 Right.

01:44:51.000 You know?

01:44:51.000 I mean, that is...

01:44:52.000 But that's just a completely different form of comedy that he was doing.

01:44:56.000 He figured this new thing out.

01:44:58.000 Like...

01:44:59.000 The nursery rhyme thing was a crazy thing where the audience knew the punchline and they would chant it out with him and they were excited to do that.

01:45:07.000 What's in the bowl, bitch?

01:45:10.000 Oh!

01:45:11.000 Everybody would go crazy.

01:45:13.000 I bet there's not another example of that.

01:45:15.000 I don't know of another example.

01:45:17.000 There's a few guys that have bits, like with Bert Kreischer, he has to tell that machine story where people blow a gasket.

01:45:23.000 With Jim Gaffigan, it's like the Hot Pockets thing.

01:45:26.000 Oh, Jim Brewer's got the thing with the alcohol.

01:45:31.000 The thing with alcohol?

01:45:33.000 Yeah, the thing with the, fuck, what is it?

01:45:35.000 Where, uh, it's like he's got different types of health.

01:45:38.000 Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

01:45:39.000 Where they have a party in your stomach and you're like, get everybody out!

01:45:43.000 Yeah, yeah, that's a great bit.

01:45:45.000 But Jim, Jim is a rare talent, man.

01:45:48.000 He's one of the most underappreciated stand-up comics alive, because Jim can take A premise about things that just happened.

01:45:55.000 He's so naturally funny.

01:45:57.000 He's got this...

01:45:59.000 I mean, it's not natural in that sense that he hasn't worked at it, because he most certainly has.

01:46:03.000 But he has this ability to, like, a thing goes on in the news, and then he'll just go on stage, and he'll have fucking ten minutes on it.

01:46:11.000 And it'll be hilarious.

01:46:13.000 Because he just has a hilarious way of looking at life.

01:46:17.000 Like, he's a guy that, like...

01:46:19.000 And he's also, he doesn't have an ego.

01:46:22.000 Like he's not a guy that like looks at himself like he's a special person in any way.

01:46:28.000 He just does, he gets out of his own way, you know, and just finds the funny and shit.

01:46:33.000 People that can't get out of their own way that are always concerned about their image, always concerned about how other people see them, like boy that's a fucking weight you're carrying around.

01:46:41.000 It's such a handicap.

01:46:42.000 It's so bad.

01:46:44.000 It just gets in your way.

01:46:47.000 And comedy is all about getting out of your own way.

01:46:52.000 It's all about being funny, but it's also about finding the funny without you being in the way of it.

01:46:59.000 And that's one of the things where getting good at things teaches you.

01:47:03.000 Getting good at things teaches you the path to getting good at things.

01:47:06.000 And if you're a person that's all you've done is like stand-up or all you've done is whatever the art form is, and your whole self-identity is based on you being good at this thing, you can't wait to show everybody how good you are at this thing.

01:47:24.000 It's so exhausting and so unnecessary.

01:47:27.000 It's such a burden to carry around.

01:47:29.000 Jim Brewer doesn't have any of that.

01:47:31.000 He just goes on stage and just fucking...

01:47:33.000 And just has fun.

01:47:36.000 The heavy metal shit's so fucking funny.

01:47:39.000 He's just a funny dude, man.

01:47:41.000 I ate it going on after him once more than I've ever eaten it going on after anybody in my whole life.

01:47:46.000 I was like three years into comedy.

01:47:47.000 We were working together and he was middling and I was headlining and I really shouldn't have been headlining.

01:47:52.000 It was just like one of those days where, you know, you'd just get gigs back then and we were doing this weekend together and I did okay every show except the last one Saturday night.

01:48:02.000 I hate shit.

01:48:04.000 But that eating shit made me go, I'm like, okay, can't do that again.

01:48:09.000 Like, what was I doing wrong?

01:48:11.000 What are these bits?

01:48:12.000 Where's the fat in these bits?

01:48:14.000 Let me cut that out.

01:48:15.000 Let me tighten these up and make them better.

01:48:17.000 I think that actually typing up material Sometimes.

01:48:29.000 There's a bunch of different ways.

01:48:31.000 The whole idea is just ideas, right?

01:48:33.000 The whole idea is like finding these premises and these thoughts and then just molding them into something that's really good.

01:48:42.000 And people do it different ways.

01:48:43.000 I know a lot of really good comics who never write anything down.

01:48:46.000 They just keep it in their head, and they fuck with it in their head, and then they go on stage, and they keep going on stage, and they do a lot of sets.

01:48:52.000 Like, Ari, most of the stuff he does, he doesn't write.

01:48:55.000 Like, he just has these premises, and he works them out in front of crowds, and he just continues to improve on those premises until it becomes a functional bit.

01:49:04.000 But then there's other people where everything they do, they write out almost like a monologue, and then they kind of tighten it up with the audience.

01:49:12.000 Like Chris Rock, he'll record a set, then send it to someone who types it up, and then...

01:49:23.000 Sends back the Word document, and then he'll go through the Word document.

01:49:29.000 Yeah, Chris was always like, he also has famously employed other comics, like Rich Jenny was one of the best ones that he brought on the road with him, and he would have Rich watch his set, and then afterwards they would talk about it.

01:49:43.000 Rich would give him his advice or his opinion.

01:49:47.000 So when you have someone who's a peer, who's also like a top-level comic, and they actually have a job, and their job is to sit down and watch you, and then you brainstorm afterwards, that's a great benefit too.

01:49:58.000 There's a lot of people that don't do that, but I think Chris is brilliant in that regard, that he did that.

01:50:03.000 It's like a good It's a sign of a healthy ego, too, because he's willing to bring people in.

01:50:09.000 He would hire two or three guys like Rich Voss.

01:50:12.000 I think he did it with Nick DiPaolo.

01:50:14.000 He had these guys, and they would go and sit and watch him, and then they would sit down and talk about it afterwards.

01:50:21.000 They'd have dinner or something like that, and they'd go over the set, and then Chris would make notes and think about what they said and think about the way he felt, and then he'd rewrite things and reformulate things.

01:50:33.000 Chris would go on stage and try not to kill too.

01:50:37.000 He would go on stage purposely to try to find those uncomfortable moments where he had to find the funny.

01:50:44.000 Like he'd put himself out there.

01:50:47.000 You know where he was like out on a limb and like you're fucked the audience is waiting for you to say something and then something would eventually come and maybe it wouldn't and maybe it would and but the ones that did then he kept that okay I got something now and then but you have to be willing to try new things to do that and one of the things that happens to comics once they start doing well and this is a real danger for Young comics.

01:51:11.000 They'll put together, like, 15 minutes that's good, and then they go up at the store, and they'll have a really solid 15-minute set.

01:51:17.000 They never develop another.

01:51:19.000 They never expand.

01:51:21.000 They don't ever try new stuff in there, because they only have 15 minutes.

01:51:24.000 They want to kill.

01:51:24.000 They're sandwiched in between Jeff Ross and Anthony Jeselnik, and they don't want to bomb, so they don't try new stuff.

01:51:31.000 I mean, dude, for the longest time, I was terrified of doing stand-up in L.A., because...

01:51:41.000 The same thing.

01:51:42.000 I want to kill.

01:51:44.000 I'm like, dude, if I want to fucking work on material, I'll be doing that when I'm in fucking the Funny Bone in fucking Oklahoma.

01:51:53.000 You can do that too.

01:51:55.000 You can do that too, but I think you've got to figure out a way to work it in.

01:52:00.000 Well, right.

01:52:00.000 I mean, I thankfully left that behind, you know, some time ago.

01:52:05.000 But yeah, it used to be really uncomfortable for me to go do local sets in LA because Steve-O doing stand-up, you know, a lot of people look kind of sideways at that.

01:52:18.000 And then there's the fact that people aren't there to see me.

01:52:25.000 You know, it's like...

01:52:27.000 You know, which is actually a benefit.

01:52:30.000 And then there's the level that in the crowd are gonna be like people who are like, you know, Agents, you know, industry professionals, like, it just felt like a lot of pressure, and it used to scare the shit out of me.

01:52:43.000 It should.

01:52:44.000 Yeah.

01:52:45.000 But, you know, you're in the big leagues.

01:52:47.000 You're doing stand-up at the Comedy Store.

01:52:48.000 You're in the fucking big leagues.

01:52:49.000 You're at the improv.

01:52:50.000 That's the big leagues.

01:52:51.000 But that's also how you get better.

01:52:53.000 You know, you gotta be scared.

01:52:55.000 You can't just be the fucking hero every time you go on stage.

01:52:57.000 Yeah, 100%.

01:52:58.000 And like I said, when I took that eight months off to put together the bucket list, it was all the Comedy Store.

01:53:06.000 It was all...

01:53:07.000 The improv, the Laugh Factory.

01:53:09.000 Yeah, and the key is also doing different places too, right?

01:53:13.000 Like going to the Ice House, going to the Ha Ha, going to these different places, get a different feel, these different neighborhoods, these different clubs you're working at.

01:53:21.000 There's a lot going on, man, when you're piecing together material.

01:53:26.000 You know, I think it's unfortunate that you had to like, oh, Steve-O's doing comedy.

01:53:32.000 Like, I don't get that at all.

01:53:34.000 Even actors.

01:53:35.000 Like, actors go up.

01:53:36.000 I give them a chance.

01:53:37.000 Like, if you really want to do it, like, good luck.

01:53:40.000 I hope you do well.

01:53:41.000 I would love to see some person who's an actor, and then all of a sudden they're a killer stand-up comic.

01:53:47.000 Look, that's fucking Neil Brennan, who's a great stand-up comic, was a producer of The Chappelle Show.

01:53:52.000 He was the co-creator.

01:53:53.000 Didn't do stand-up.

01:53:54.000 When I met Neil, Neil was a doorman at Boston Comedy, the club in New York City, in the village.

01:54:00.000 And I knew him from then.

01:54:01.000 And then when he started doing stand-up, I'm like, good for you!

01:54:04.000 That's fucking awesome!

01:54:06.000 And so many people were hating on him even back then.

01:54:09.000 People are weird, man.

01:54:11.000 They just get scared and they don't want you to do the thing that they do.

01:54:16.000 Right.

01:54:16.000 I think a lot of it, too, was just me putting that on myself.

01:54:20.000 Me just assuming that people were looking at me that way.

01:54:22.000 Oh, they definitely were looking at you like that.

01:54:23.000 It's not putting it on yourself.

01:54:25.000 It's just I'm saying those people who were doing it were cunts.

01:54:29.000 Right, right, right, right.

01:54:30.000 It's insecurity.

01:54:31.000 It's all it is.

01:54:32.000 Like, if someone's a fucking housewife and they're...

01:54:37.000 45 years old, they just decide to go on stage for the first time.

01:54:40.000 I'm rooting for them.

01:54:41.000 I want them to do well.

01:54:42.000 I want everybody to do well.

01:54:43.000 It's a possibility.

01:54:45.000 You can do well.

01:54:46.000 And the more people that do...

01:54:47.000 Like, if I watch some woman who's 35 years old or 45 years old, who's never done stand-up ever, and she goes up and kills, that's exciting to me.

01:54:54.000 I'm like, ooh, look, she's got talent!

01:54:56.000 Probably maybe made her friends laugh and thought she could do it and spent the time or wrote some stuff out.

01:55:01.000 That's great.

01:55:02.000 It's great for the art form.

01:55:04.000 It's great for everybody.

01:55:05.000 Your boy Curtis from the Comedy Store last night was saying that in Texas that's like the sensibility of the crowd more so than anywhere else, that they really are rooting for the The comic to have success on stage.

01:55:19.000 Well, we have a really good environment here, you know, and it's it's essentially there was always a kind there was a scene a small scene here But now like 12 world-class comics have moved here during the pandemic.

01:55:30.000 So it's fucking amazing like the show tonight.

01:55:33.000 It's Duncan Trussell and Tony Hinchcliffe William Montgomery and It's fucking great.

01:55:40.000 I love Duncan Trussell so much.

01:55:43.000 He's the best.

01:55:43.000 I love him to death.

01:55:45.000 Of my podcasts that I've recorded, my two favorite ones are Duncan Trussell and Kevin Smith.

01:55:52.000 Oh, well, two great people to talk to.

01:55:55.000 Great, interesting people.

01:55:56.000 Just getting into weird, spiritual, philosophical, what's the universe about?

01:56:05.000 Those conversations were so fucking great, man.

01:56:08.000 Well, Duncan, he brings out a special quality in people, too.

01:56:12.000 There's something about his inquisitiveness and his mind that excites a part of your mind.

01:56:16.000 It makes you think that way.

01:56:18.000 Dude, when I was talking to Duncan Trussell on my podcast, I told him...

01:56:24.000 We were talking about consciousness.

01:56:26.000 And I said, I have a theory that people are...

01:56:31.000 Making a mistake in assuming that the human brain is a generator of consciousness.

01:56:40.000 That that's where the word consciousness originates.

01:56:44.000 That it's a transmitter.

01:56:50.000 And I said, I believe that the brain is a receiver of consciousness so like say for example if you've got a radio you know you can take a sledgehammer you can smash that radio to oblivion you've killed the radio but you've done nothing to kill the signal right like the signal is still out there we're just a radio picking up a signal you know and that's kind of how I look

01:57:20.000 at it and Duncan Trussell without skipping a beat he goes yep And there's some people walking around thinking, I'm the fucking Beatles.

01:57:32.000 Well, it's an interesting theory.

01:57:36.000 It might be all those things.

01:57:38.000 It might be you are conscious, and consciousness does emanate in you, and the whole universe is conscious as well.

01:57:44.000 It might be your consciousness communicates with all of consciousness.

01:57:51.000 It might be, you know, we're limited in that term.

01:57:54.000 Like, what is that term?

01:57:55.000 It means you're aware.

01:57:56.000 It means you're a lot.

01:57:57.000 So is my dog.

01:57:58.000 I talk to him.

01:57:59.000 He's obviously conscious.

01:58:00.000 He knows what I'm saying.

01:58:02.000 He knows I love him.

01:58:05.000 It's like he's conscious.

01:58:06.000 I see him in the morning.

01:58:08.000 We have this thing we do in the morning.

01:58:09.000 I always go up to him and I go, good morning, sir.

01:58:12.000 My wife is funny because she doesn't like when he whines, but I think it's awesome.

01:58:16.000 It's hilarious because he whines because he's so happy.

01:58:18.000 He always has to get a toy.

01:58:20.000 He's so funny.

01:58:22.000 Whenever he gets pet, he wants to go get a toy first because he's a Yeah.

01:58:25.000 So he goes and gets a toy and he brings it over and then he wants to have the toy in his mouth while he's getting pet.

01:58:30.000 And he's saying...

01:58:31.000 And so we do this now.

01:58:34.000 Good morning, sir.

01:58:35.000 Good morning, sir.

01:58:36.000 Good morning.

01:58:37.000 I give him all this love and he gets so fucking happy.

01:58:39.000 It's so obvious he's conscious.

01:58:42.000 So what is that consciousness?

01:58:43.000 Like what is that?

01:58:44.000 Is he getting it from the universe?

01:58:45.000 It's obviously in him too.

01:58:47.000 Right.

01:58:47.000 It's you are conscious and consciousness exists.

01:58:51.000 There's something that exists outside of us.

01:58:54.000 And I think that's where you pull ideas from.

01:58:57.000 They come from the ether, but they also come from your mind.

01:59:00.000 They come from, you know, states of consciousness, whether it's psychedelics or meditation or yoga or there's there's different ways you feel different times depending on how life is going.

01:59:12.000 And all that is a factor.

01:59:15.000 It is something is in you.

01:59:17.000 But what is that?

01:59:18.000 And how much of that is innate to you?

01:59:22.000 And how much of that is just in the universe itself?

01:59:26.000 It's a massive mystery.

01:59:29.000 To isolate it to your own individual mind and to live and dwell inside your own ego and consciousness, I think it's a bit of a trap, you know?

01:59:39.000 And even to just say it's not you, it's everything.

01:59:42.000 You're an antenna.

01:59:43.000 Like, maybe.

01:59:44.000 Maybe you're an antenna.

01:59:45.000 Maybe.

01:59:46.000 I mean, it's kind of like it's very limiting to define it in a way.

01:59:51.000 Because we experience it, but to try to box it in is almost to try to understand this thing that's unknowable.

01:59:57.000 Yeah, of course.

01:59:59.000 Yeah, it's a weird thing to be a person and thinking.

02:00:02.000 And also to be a person that has thousands of years of human instincts that were ingrained in us through genes and evolution for survival and for social interaction and in order to be able to keep the species moving.

02:00:19.000 Like there's all these things that are in us that maybe aren't even very self-serving and you have to kind of navigate those.

02:00:25.000 Figure out the best way that you can manage them personally.

02:00:29.000 And some people are terrible at it.

02:00:30.000 And some people, they push it on everyone else and they fuck everybody else's life around them in order for them to have some sort of sense of control.

02:00:38.000 They keep everybody on edge and everybody's upset.

02:00:41.000 And then they get this high out of having disputes with people and then making up.

02:00:49.000 There's a lot of people out there.

02:00:50.000 They have these little bitter battles with people and they really just want love.

02:00:55.000 That's really what it is.

02:00:57.000 But they don't know how to get love in any way other than being shitty to people and controlling and then apologizing and then making up.

02:01:06.000 It's like, ugh!

02:01:07.000 Those rollercoaster type relationships that some people get trapped in.

02:01:11.000 Yeah.

02:01:12.000 Those super highs and super lows and, fuck you, I fucking hate you, and then you're fucking and having the best time ever.

02:01:18.000 It's like nuts.

02:01:19.000 But it's just, it's this management of this thing we call consciousness.

02:01:25.000 And there's, you know, there's not a lot of fucking really good guidebooks on how to do it, and not specifically to you either.

02:01:34.000 We're all this very complex individual machine that has all these stored emotions and life experiences and genes and family and loved ones and there's no fucking guidebook for your individual journey.

02:01:49.000 And you can kind of like pull abstract thoughts from Alan Watts and Terrence McKenna and all these different people that kind of give you like a framework to think about individual experience.

02:02:01.000 Yeah, Jordan Peterson is great for that too.

02:02:03.000 Yeah, he's fucking badass.

02:02:05.000 Right.

02:02:05.000 But then also you see flaws in each of these individual people that are giving you great advice.

02:02:12.000 And then you see them fuck their life up.

02:02:14.000 And you're like, wow, everybody is really on their own little strange journey trying to navigate this thing.

02:02:19.000 Right.

02:02:21.000 Jordan in particular was on benzos, right?

02:02:24.000 Which is anti-anxiety medication.

02:02:26.000 Xanax.

02:02:26.000 Yeah, and he got fucking horribly addicted to it and destroyed his life for a few years.

02:02:32.000 And getting off it was horrendous.

02:02:34.000 When was that?

02:02:35.000 Recently.

02:02:36.000 Wow.

02:02:36.000 Yeah, I mean, he's just recently coming out of the fog of it all.

02:02:40.000 And he was on those things for quite a while.

02:02:44.000 And it really fucked him up to the point where he didn't know if he was going to make it.

02:02:48.000 Benzos are one of those things where them and alcohol, if you quit cold turkey, you'll die.

02:02:54.000 I mean, even heroin, you can survive quitting cold turkey.

02:02:59.000 As addictive as that is, people survived that.

02:03:03.000 But benzos apparently are a fucking nightmare, a horrible nightmare to try to get over.

02:03:09.000 I loved those things, man.

02:03:11.000 I bet.

02:03:11.000 I'm scared of those.

02:03:13.000 I don't even want to know what that feels like.

02:03:14.000 Those and Coke, I'm like, mm-mm, you can keep it.

02:03:16.000 I don't want to know.

02:03:17.000 Yeah.

02:03:18.000 I don't want to know.

02:03:19.000 Dude, we were talking about the deviated septum, and it's weird that...

02:03:27.000 For you, a deviated septum meant one thing, but for me, deviated septum means I've got the whole...

02:03:34.000 That's a perforated septum, I think.

02:03:36.000 There you go.

02:03:37.000 You're exactly right.

02:03:38.000 I think that's different.

02:03:39.000 Correct.

02:03:40.000 I think that's when people rot out the inside of their nose from doing blow.

02:03:44.000 Yeah, I did that.

02:03:45.000 Yeah.

02:03:45.000 I think Artie Lang did that, too.

02:03:47.000 When I was in rehab, Knoxville came and visited me.

02:03:55.000 We took the shoelace out of Knoxville's Chuck Taylor and I put it up one nostril through the fucking hole and just straight threaded my nose.

02:04:08.000 How big was that hole?

02:04:11.000 Enough to get the shoelace through.

02:04:12.000 Did you get it fixed?

02:04:13.000 No, no.

02:04:13.000 Did they sew it up?

02:04:14.000 Or is there still a hole in there?

02:04:15.000 Still a hole in there.

02:04:16.000 So you could do that shoelace trick right now?

02:04:19.000 I've tried it, but yeah, I could do it, man.

02:04:22.000 Should we try it?

02:04:23.000 No, you don't need to do that.

02:04:26.000 What is that?

02:04:26.000 Oh, so the flashlight goes through one hole.

02:04:29.000 Oh my god.

02:04:31.000 Yeah.

02:04:31.000 Oh, wow.

02:04:32.000 So that hole is, you could put the flashlight in one nostril and it shines through to the other.

02:04:37.000 Holy shit, man.

02:04:38.000 Yeah.

02:04:41.000 Bring up the shoelace.

02:04:43.000 I'm sure that's on there.

02:04:45.000 Yuck.

02:04:46.000 Yuck.

02:04:47.000 Yeah, well, it's, you know, getting punched in this thing, it's like, God, this thing's so delicate.

02:04:53.000 Your nose is such a delicate little instrument.

02:04:55.000 Dude, the fucking, um...

02:04:58.000 Like, on my second hour, I had a...

02:05:01.000 There it is.

02:05:02.000 That's actually in the...

02:05:04.000 You're putting it through...

02:05:05.000 Oh, Jesus.

02:05:07.000 Through the hole.

02:05:09.000 So the coke just burned a hole through the center of your nostril.

02:05:14.000 Yeah.

02:05:15.000 Oh, God, that's so awful.

02:05:16.000 That's Knoxville filming.

02:05:21.000 That was before I had ever broken my nose.

02:05:29.000 Really?

02:05:30.000 All the shit you did, you never broke your nose?

02:05:34.000 The first time I broke my nose was when we were filming Jackass 3D. And in that movie...

02:05:43.000 Like Bam had this trick.

02:05:45.000 He'd sneak up behind you and with one hand he would throw a cup of water in your face and with the other hand he would like punch you.

02:05:55.000 What a great trick.

02:05:58.000 It was called The Rock.

02:06:00.000 He's a regular David Blaine.

02:06:03.000 It was called the Rocky, and the purpose of it was to...

02:06:07.000 Punch you.

02:06:08.000 Right.

02:06:09.000 Well, it was to take advantage of what at the time was like super new technology with the Phantom camera, shooting like 1,500 frames per second.

02:06:18.000 Oh.

02:06:19.000 You know, it was like...

02:06:20.000 We were, I think, the first movie to really, really take advantage of that.

02:06:25.000 So you would see in that super slow motion the water and you'd see the face jiggling.

02:06:31.000 It was pretty rad.

02:06:32.000 And they actually played the Rocky music.

02:06:38.000 Yeah, there you go.

02:06:47.000 I mean, it doesn't even look like that big of a deal now, but...

02:06:50.000 What are you talking about?

02:06:51.000 That looks like brain damage.

02:06:53.000 Oh.

02:06:53.000 That looks terrible.

02:06:54.000 That looks like someone could get knocked unconscious.

02:06:57.000 Oh my god, that's such a cheap shot.

02:07:00.000 Yeah, for sure.

02:07:01.000 It's just straight sucker punching.

02:07:03.000 It's totally sucker punching.

02:07:05.000 Yeah.

02:07:05.000 Jesus, you guys did some ridiculous shit to each other.

02:07:07.000 Right.

02:07:08.000 And so when Bam did that to me, he broke my nose.

02:07:13.000 Wow.

02:07:14.000 Shocker.

02:07:15.000 And I was like...

02:07:17.000 I didn't do anything about it for two months, and I was stewing about it.

02:07:23.000 Finally, I didn't like the way it looked, and I was like, you know what?

02:07:27.000 I'm going to go get my fucking nose fixed, and I'm going to make the fucking movie pay for it.

02:07:31.000 So I go to this fancy Beverly Hills nose doctor.

02:07:36.000 And he says, yeah, you know, I could fix it, but it's been two months, you know, it's healed this way.

02:07:41.000 So now, at this point...

02:07:44.000 You have to re-break it.

02:07:45.000 Oh, yeah, you were twisted.

02:07:46.000 Yeah, so now, like, if...

02:07:49.000 We gotta re-break it.

02:07:51.000 And I heard that, and I'm like, oh, no big deal, you know, like, I'll live with it.

02:07:55.000 Then, I go to the fucking Charlie Sheen roast.

02:07:58.000 I talked Mike Tyson into holding out his fist, just letting me run into it.

02:08:04.000 Oh, no.

02:08:05.000 I was trying to get myself a black eye and what happened was I just landed with my nose on Mike Tyson's fist and fucking super broke it.

02:08:15.000 And then that was the last thing that happened on stage at the Charlie Sheen roast.

02:08:20.000 So now everybody's like, I'm like just mangled.

02:08:24.000 My fucking nose was so broken.

02:08:26.000 But the show's over.

02:08:27.000 This guy comes up.

02:08:29.000 So you threw yourself in his face.

02:08:32.000 Oh my god, dude, that's horrific.

02:08:34.000 Yeah, and then this guy comes out of the audience, he comes up to me and he says, dude, Steve-O, your nose needs to be set right now.

02:08:41.000 And like that made perfect sense to me because of what the doctor had told me.

02:08:46.000 The guy says, I'm a kung fu instructor, like I got you.

02:08:57.000 And I'm thinking, well, that doesn't sound great, but he's not going to make it look any worse.

02:09:04.000 I've got very little to lose in this situation.

02:09:06.000 So I sit down on the stage, and he just fucking wrenches my nose into position.

02:09:12.000 And go back to that before and after.

02:09:15.000 And he fixed it?

02:09:15.000 So that's how he fixed it?

02:09:16.000 Oh, so you didn't go to a doctor?

02:09:18.000 I got a Mike Tyson nose job, dude.

02:09:20.000 What?

02:09:24.000 It looks great!

02:09:25.000 Yeah!

02:09:25.000 It looks great.

02:09:26.000 Go back up to where I started before that.

02:09:29.000 Yeah, it was definitely twisted to the side.

02:09:30.000 Yeah.

02:09:31.000 So once he snapped it, then you pushed it back into place.

02:09:34.000 There's a video of Josh Barnett doing that to someone.

02:09:38.000 The guy got his nose broken in training, and Josh Barnett sticks a pencil up his nose and corrects it and pushes it to the side.

02:09:45.000 It doesn't feel good.

02:09:47.000 Oh, definitely.

02:09:47.000 This dude's in agony.

02:09:49.000 And, you know, Josh is...

02:09:52.000 He's not the most sensitive to someone in pain.

02:09:55.000 So is a pen.

02:09:57.000 Yes, I am.

02:09:58.000 Okay.

02:09:59.000 That's really clever, though.

02:10:01.000 Well, he knows how to do it.

02:10:02.000 I mean, Josh has been around combat sports his whole life.

02:10:05.000 This side's closed up.

02:10:06.000 The other side's not so bad.

02:10:09.000 So he's shoving it in there.

02:10:11.000 Yes, you can.

02:10:13.000 And he just...

02:10:14.000 That guy's got to be in agony right there.

02:10:17.000 I remember that...

02:10:20.000 Jesus Christ.

02:10:21.000 Dr. Josh.

02:10:23.000 Yeah, so he fixed it with two pens.

02:10:25.000 Here's the thing.

02:10:27.000 Try not to f*** with it.

02:10:29.000 What do you mean?

02:10:30.000 Well, because it's going to itch, it's going to swell, it's going to do a lot of things.

02:10:34.000 And you're going to want to mess with it, and it's going to knock it out.

02:10:37.000 See, it's straight right now.

02:10:39.000 Okay.

02:10:39.000 For the most part.

02:10:40.000 It's pretty swollen, though.

02:10:41.000 Is there ice next to him, Josh?

02:10:43.000 I don't know.

02:10:46.000 Everybody needs to have a friend like that.

02:10:48.000 Yeah, well, if you're going to have someone do it, have someone like Josh, who really knows what the fuck he's doing, and he's probably done that to many people.

02:10:56.000 Evidently, my homie knew what was up.

02:10:58.000 Yeah, it worked.

02:10:59.000 It worked.

02:11:00.000 Fixed it.

02:11:00.000 And you can breathe out of your nose, no problem?

02:11:02.000 Pretty good.

02:11:03.000 What happens, because I've got the perforation, I'll wake up in the morning, A lot of the time, and I've got just this booger cork.

02:11:14.000 Oh, no!

02:11:16.000 And I'll, like, you know, I'll plug...

02:11:19.000 Do you have to push and try to blow it out?

02:11:21.000 I can blow it out, but I'll blow out, and it'll look like an hourglass sometimes, like, because it's just straight cork.

02:11:30.000 It's funny.

02:11:31.000 After I got my nose fixed, I would, for like weeks, have these horrendous bloody boogers.

02:11:40.000 I mean, they were giant, like the size of a thumb.

02:11:43.000 I would blow them out.

02:11:44.000 I remember I showed it to Tom Segura.

02:11:46.000 I blew it.

02:11:46.000 I go, look at that.

02:11:47.000 He went...

02:11:47.000 He almost threw up just looking at it.

02:11:50.000 These things were giant.

02:11:52.000 I think I documented it on my Instagram.

02:11:55.000 I think I've got giant bloody boogers.

02:11:57.000 No, it was a long time ago.

02:11:59.000 Might not have even been Instagram because this is like more than 10 years ago.

02:12:03.000 Like when did Instagram start?

02:12:05.000 I got it in 2012. So I got my nose fixed in 2000 and it's 2022. I think I probably got it fixed 15 years ago.

02:12:19.000 Does a 9 sound right?

02:12:21.000 Yeah, it sounds about right.

02:12:23.000 It sounds about right.

02:12:24.000 Is this 14 years ago?

02:12:26.000 Oh, it's a twit pic.

02:12:27.000 Oh, never mind.

02:12:27.000 There it is.

02:12:28.000 You found it?

02:12:29.000 Yeah.

02:12:30.000 So it was before Instagram, right?

02:12:32.000 Yeah.

02:12:32.000 So here's the tweet.

02:12:33.000 Yeah.

02:12:34.000 And then I think someone found the picture.

02:12:36.000 Yeah, look at the size of that thing.

02:12:38.000 Look at the size of that fucking thing.

02:12:40.000 Yeah, dude.

02:12:41.000 Jesus Christ.

02:12:42.000 And that was a small one.

02:12:43.000 I had blown some giant ones out that I didn't document right after I first got it done.

02:12:48.000 Because it was just like, the boogers were just like, I don't know.

02:12:51.000 I don't know why it was like so susceptible to boogers.

02:12:54.000 Like, my nose was probably freaked out.

02:12:55.000 Like, what'd you do?

02:12:56.000 Right.

02:12:56.000 And there was like a – they had to put plastic splints up in there.

02:13:00.000 So they stitched a plastic splint into place and they shoved these tubes, these foam tubes.

02:13:07.000 And the foam tubes had like little tubes at the end to drain shit out of it.

02:13:12.000 And I had to have like a gauze mustache that I wore around for the first day or so.

02:13:18.000 After the operation, but I highly recommend it to people.

02:13:22.000 There it is.

02:13:23.000 See?

02:13:24.000 These foam things with these holes.

02:13:26.000 Wow.

02:13:27.000 Yeah.

02:13:28.000 But man, they fixed it.

02:13:30.000 That's good, man.

02:13:32.000 You can't breathe out of your nose.

02:13:33.000 There's so many fighters that I talk to.

02:13:35.000 And when you talk to them, they talk like this, like you could tell as they're talking that there's no...

02:13:40.000 You know, it sounds like they have a stuffy nose.

02:13:42.000 Yeah.

02:13:43.000 Because their nose is useless.

02:13:43.000 Like Justin Gagey, when you listen to Justin talk, like, for sure his nose is fucked.

02:13:48.000 There's no way that guy's breathing out of that nose at all.

02:13:51.000 Yeah.

02:13:51.000 Like, play a clip of Justin Gagey talking.

02:13:55.000 Try to find a clip.

02:13:56.000 When you hear, you can hear in his voice the nasal sound.

02:14:00.000 It's super common.

02:14:02.000 Like, I hear it in D.C. sometimes when we do commentary together.

02:14:05.000 Like, I'm sure his nose is fucked.

02:14:06.000 Oh, he had surgery?

02:14:07.000 Oh, he had surgery?

02:14:08.000 Recently?

02:14:10.000 Oh, good for him.

02:14:11.000 Yeah, I think I've heard about that.

02:14:12.000 So how's life been without a fight books for you so far?

02:14:15.000 You know, it's really fast and then really slow.

02:14:18.000 I really enjoy both parts of this game.

02:14:22.000 I got my nose fixed about five weeks ago.

02:14:24.000 Okay, so he's still swollen.

02:14:26.000 Anticipating my food is something I've been really enjoying.

02:14:31.000 Well, given that I'm sure you haven't been in camp or anything or training, given you fixed your nose, have you had time to let the rest of your body heal up too from just constantly being in camp over the last...

02:14:41.000 Yeah, so that's a nose surgery that he waited for years.

02:14:43.000 If you find videos before that, like it sounded a little stuffy there.

02:14:47.000 But if you listen to it before that, it was like probably completely closed off.

02:14:51.000 But you know, Justin has that wild style of fighting where he gets hit.

02:14:55.000 He'll put people into the fire.

02:14:57.000 He'll like grab people and jump into a volcano with them.

02:15:01.000 Like that's, yeah, see that's how I had to have that bandage thing.

02:15:04.000 Yeah.

02:15:05.000 Bandage mustache.

02:15:06.000 I love Justin Gaethje.

02:15:08.000 He's great.

02:15:09.000 He's also got no ACL. One of his knees has no ACL. I don't know if he bothered getting that fixed or he's going to wait until after he's done fighting.

02:15:16.000 But yeah, he blew his ACL out and decided to just keep fighting with no ACL, which is crazy.

02:15:22.000 But the world that those guys live in is just a different world.

02:15:28.000 The world of what kind of pain you can tolerate and what kind of discomfort you can tolerate, that's a different world.

02:15:34.000 Right.

02:15:35.000 Wild fucking humans.

02:15:37.000 Yeah, dude.

02:15:39.000 Man, I want to tell you about my Tesla.

02:15:43.000 Well, I saw the video.

02:15:44.000 So send Jamie the video so we can play it.

02:15:48.000 Yeah.

02:15:48.000 If you could airdrop it to Jamie.

02:15:50.000 This is...

02:15:51.000 Dude, it's so much fun.

02:15:55.000 So I ordered a Tesla.

02:15:56.000 You gotta wait for it for quite some time.

02:16:01.000 Oh, yeah.

02:16:02.000 This is the first thing I did.

02:16:05.000 I drive to Vegas and I find a crane operator who's willing to hoist up my Tesla over 100 feet in the air so that I can sleep in it overnight.

02:16:17.000 So you slept in it up there?

02:16:19.000 Yeah.

02:16:19.000 Why?

02:16:21.000 Just because.

02:16:22.000 Why?

02:16:24.000 Why, Steve-O? Why?

02:16:26.000 Here's the craziest part, is that I didn't have a location.

02:16:30.000 I go over to the UFC and I'm hanging out with Dana.

02:16:33.000 And I'm like, yeah, what do you think if I do this here?

02:16:37.000 And Dana's like, yeah, let's do it.

02:16:41.000 Who else would let you do that?

02:16:42.000 Because if you open up the door, we're sleepwalking and fell out to your desk.

02:16:46.000 I mean, to do that...

02:16:54.000 To permit that would take weeks.

02:16:58.000 Permits and insurance.

02:16:59.000 And that happened within 24 fucking hours because Dana said it's cool.

02:17:06.000 That's so ridiculous.

02:17:08.000 Send Jamie the video.

02:17:09.000 Yeah, and so then I left for my Canada tour a couple days after that.

02:17:16.000 And literally, the fucking day after I get home, my buddies have built a ramp over my Tesla.

02:17:26.000 They just mounted a crazy ramp in a track.

02:17:30.000 The whole fucking roof is made out of glass.

02:17:33.000 The windshield goes from the hood all the way to the truck.

02:17:38.000 It's like skating over glass, and I got Tony Hawk driving my Tesla, and I fucking jump my skateboard onto it and skate over the whole thing while it's moving.

02:17:48.000 With leopard tights on.

02:17:56.000 Pretty ridiculous.

02:17:57.000 Yeah, and I just, like, I'm so dying for Elon to see that.

02:18:04.000 Well, I'll make sure he sees it.

02:18:06.000 Dude, I love it.

02:18:07.000 Yeah, he's a little busy right now.

02:18:09.000 Oh, I don't doubt it.

02:18:10.000 I don't understand why, I mean, the fucking, the fact that that guy can do Twitter while he's doing SpaceX and running, I mean, how?

02:18:19.000 How?

02:18:19.000 Right.

02:18:21.000 I read some articles.

02:18:22.000 I didn't even read the article.

02:18:23.000 I saw the headline, Elon Musk, I have too much on my plate right now.

02:18:27.000 Like, duh.

02:18:28.000 You think?

02:18:30.000 Fucking duh.

02:18:31.000 Yeah.

02:18:32.000 Dude, it's remarkable.

02:18:35.000 Dude, how about that?

02:18:36.000 Are you still driving a Tesla?

02:18:38.000 Yeah.

02:18:38.000 Yeah, the Model S, the Plaid.

02:18:40.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

02:18:41.000 You told me that.

02:18:41.000 Yeah.

02:18:42.000 It's insane.

02:18:44.000 The Ludacris mode?

02:18:45.000 It's Ludacris all the time.

02:18:46.000 I never take it off.

02:18:47.000 Well, I had the regular Model S. I never took it off of Ludacris.

02:18:51.000 And this one, I don't even know if it has a mode.

02:18:53.000 I think you just drive it that way.

02:18:55.000 I mean, I never even checked.

02:18:56.000 It's so fast.

02:18:58.000 The idea that you would make it faster, it's...

02:19:02.000 I honestly don't know.

02:19:04.000 What I don't like about the Tesla is that everything is on the screen now.

02:19:08.000 You want to adjust the mirrors.

02:19:10.000 You want to change the temperature.

02:19:12.000 I like physical knobs and stuff and buttons.

02:19:15.000 Stuff that you can see easily while you're driving.

02:19:18.000 There's a little bit of that that annoys me.

02:19:21.000 There's so much of the stuff that's on the screen.

02:19:24.000 Wow, dude.

02:19:25.000 What's up with that steering wheel?

02:19:26.000 Yeah, there's no buttons.

02:19:27.000 That's my car.

02:19:28.000 That's the same kind of car that I have.

02:19:30.000 That's not my personal car, but...

02:19:32.000 It's an amazing car, though.

02:19:33.000 It's fucking incredible.

02:19:34.000 The way it drives is just amazing.

02:19:37.000 I just would prefer tangible...

02:19:40.000 I don't like the fact that the horn is not the center of the steering wheel either.

02:19:44.000 It's a button on the steering wheel, which I think sucks.

02:19:47.000 And I don't like the fact that they took away the blinker stock.

02:19:51.000 And instead, now you have to press the buttons on the steering wheel for left and right.

02:19:57.000 I've kind of gotten used to that, but the horn thing is annoying.

02:20:02.000 Because it's like the...

02:20:03.000 Yeah, but you can do a lot of the stuff with voice.

02:20:06.000 You could say, you know, lower the temperature.

02:20:09.000 Beyond ludicrous?

02:20:10.000 Is that what it is?

02:20:12.000 What is beyond ludicrous?

02:20:16.000 Oh, I think they're just saying that it's so fast, it's beyond ludicrous mode in the regular Model S. It's 1,000 horsepower.

02:20:26.000 1,020 real horsepower.

02:20:29.000 That's peak power.

02:20:30.000 That's real.

02:20:31.000 It's so fast.

02:20:32.000 I have a lot of fast cars.

02:20:34.000 That is without a doubt the fastest car I have.

02:20:36.000 Yeah.

02:20:36.000 And it's so silent that when you hit the gas and you take off, it's just like...

02:20:43.000 It doesn't even feel real.

02:20:45.000 It feels like you're time-traveling.

02:20:47.000 You punch a hole through space-time to move to a place quicker.

02:20:51.000 Because you have this sense of what a car is capable of doing, and then you get in that thing and it just goes...

02:20:56.000 Yeah, and you feel like you're on a fucking roller coaster.

02:20:59.000 Yeah, literally.

02:21:00.000 Like, it slams people to the backseat.

02:21:03.000 I took Tim Dillon in my old one, which is not as fast as this new one.

02:21:06.000 Like, you want to feel something crazy?

02:21:07.000 He's like, yeah.

02:21:08.000 I'm just stomping on the gas.

02:21:08.000 He's like, Jesus!

02:21:10.000 Like, you can't believe it.

02:21:12.000 Right.

02:21:12.000 Because you have a sense of, like, what a fast car feels like.

02:21:15.000 Right.

02:21:15.000 And then you get in that thing.

02:21:16.000 Which, it's really good for merging on the highway.

02:21:19.000 If you want to merge on the highway and you got an opening, you...

02:21:21.000 Yeah.

02:21:21.000 And all of a sudden, you're going 70 miles an hour.

02:21:23.000 Like that.

02:21:24.000 Right.

02:21:25.000 Like, have you ever thought about, like, when you're approaching a light...

02:21:29.000 And it's like, it's yellow, you know you can make it because you've got the Tesla.

02:21:36.000 But what if the person on the other side of the light also has a Tesla and you're both punching it?

02:21:42.000 Yeah, you got to be aware.

02:21:44.000 Well, you got to be aware whenever you're in a fucking intersection.

02:21:47.000 I saw some dude the other day just blow through a red light, just wasn't even paying attention.

02:21:53.000 I see these cars just slam on their brakes.

02:21:55.000 This dude just, whether he's on his phone or what, he just blew through a red light.

02:22:00.000 There's gotta be statistics since cell phones became a real thing.

02:22:06.000 That like car accidents, have they just spiked because people are fucking around with their phone?

02:22:11.000 They must.

02:22:11.000 There's a lot of deaths that are related to people being distracted by electronics, whether you're fucking with your navigation screen or you're fucking with your music on your screen or whether you're actually looking physically at a phone.

02:22:25.000 Physically at a phone and texting is probably the worst because you're moving your thumb around.

02:22:29.000 There's no way you can concentrate.

02:22:31.000 Is there data on that?

02:22:34.000 It's got to be off the charts.

02:22:35.000 It's got to be off the charts.

02:22:37.000 The amount of people that die from distracted driving, fuck, it's got to be crazy.

02:22:43.000 Way more than aspirin.

02:22:44.000 It's not the deaths.

02:22:47.000 It definitely went up, but it then goes down, too, around the time it was 2010, which is when iPhones came out.

02:22:55.000 Not what I thought I would see here.

02:22:56.000 That's weird.

02:22:58.000 Maybe it's just cars got better.

02:22:59.000 Could be that, too.

02:23:01.000 A lot of things are going to have to go into account on this.

02:23:03.000 Right.

02:23:04.000 Number of deaths per population of 100,000 people.

02:23:07.000 Let's start going back up now.

02:23:09.000 Well, it's social media, distracted driving, all that shit.

02:23:13.000 Yeah, not good.

02:23:15.000 And then there's also like how many people are suffering from depression and anxiety because of phones because they're addicted to social media and they're just constantly comparing themselves to other people and reading comments about how bad they suck.

02:23:31.000 Comments are rough, man.

02:23:32.000 I think no matter who you are.

02:23:34.000 Oh, yeah.

02:23:35.000 I gotta be a little bit careful about spending time reading comments, man.

02:23:41.000 I don't read shit.

02:23:42.000 Yeah.

02:23:43.000 I don't think it's good for you to even read the good stuff.

02:23:45.000 I concur.

02:23:47.000 I agree with that.

02:23:48.000 I think you could get lost in other people's opinions and just kind of forget who you are and not be sure who you are.

02:23:56.000 I mean, dude, I feel like I had an experience going through an airport where one person comes up to me and they're like,

02:24:12.000 dude, I fucking watch everything.

02:24:14.000 I fucking love it, man.

02:24:17.000 And then I'll walk a little further and now I'm at the security checkpoint.

02:24:24.000 And then the guy's like, hey man, what happened to you?

02:24:27.000 I haven't seen you in anything in forever.

02:24:31.000 It's such jarring.

02:24:34.000 That's regular real life interaction.

02:24:37.000 Yeah, like regular real life shit.

02:24:38.000 Well, some people just try to make you feel bad.

02:24:41.000 Oh, look at you.

02:24:42.000 You ain't doing shit.

02:24:43.000 I remember I was at a fucking CVS once.

02:24:46.000 I'll never forget this.

02:24:47.000 CVS in Woodland Hills.

02:24:49.000 And I go into this thing and there's this guy behind the counter.

02:24:53.000 He's like real shitty.

02:24:54.000 And he goes, you used to be on TV, huh?

02:24:58.000 You used to be on Fear Factor.

02:24:59.000 What happened?

02:25:00.000 Right.

02:25:01.000 I'm like, what happened?

02:25:02.000 I go, it got canceled.

02:25:03.000 He's like, oh, it got canceled, huh?

02:25:05.000 I go, hey man, you're working at CVS. The fuck are you doing?

02:25:09.000 Like, are you trying to make me feel bad?

02:25:10.000 You're behind the counter at CVS. You think you're going to make me feel bad?

02:25:15.000 Like, I'm like, I'm not going to tell you my resume and all the things I'm doing now.

02:25:19.000 Right.

02:25:19.000 But this is a weird interaction.

02:25:21.000 Like, you, sir, lack self-awareness.

02:25:24.000 You're literally working a minimum wage job, and you're getting shitty with me because I used to be on Fear Factor.

02:25:31.000 It was really clear.

02:25:33.000 He had some foreign accent, but he was like, fucking with me.

02:25:37.000 What happened?

02:25:38.000 What happened to your show?

02:25:39.000 I was like, what did I do to you, man?

02:25:41.000 What the fuck are you doing?

02:25:43.000 And also, I don't want to say, hey, you fucking loser, you're working at CVS. You're 50 years old and you're working at CVS and you're trying to make me feel bad?

02:25:51.000 Like, what are you doing?

02:25:52.000 But some people will do that.

02:25:54.000 And that's the type of people that leave comments.

02:25:57.000 I can't read those things.

02:25:59.000 It's so gnarly.

02:26:01.000 On the distracted driving, And this is something that I super wanted to talk to you about because you were interested in podcasting in a van.

02:26:11.000 Yes.

02:26:12.000 I was very, very reluctant to jump on the podcast bandwagon.

02:26:18.000 I just thought, fuck, everybody and their mom has a fucking podcast.

02:26:24.000 And it's been...

02:26:25.000 It's like over the years one of the more annoying questions like will you do my podcast you know like like for God's sakes like I don't want to spend you think that's annoying well I mean like in the case where people don't have an audience I'm gonna spend so much better than you wanting to do their podcast and I'm not wanting right yeah that that that Because once you have a podcast,

02:26:49.000 then everybody wants to be on your podcast.

02:26:51.000 And if you don't want them on and they keep pestering you, that's more annoying.

02:26:55.000 Right.

02:26:55.000 I get that.

02:26:57.000 I get that.

02:26:58.000 But for me to make the leap to all of a sudden being the guy asking, will you do my podcast?

02:27:05.000 It was a struggle for me.

02:27:06.000 And I thought, okay, well at the very least, let me set it up in a fucking van.

02:27:12.000 So I can say, dude, wherever and whenever is most convenient, let me bring it to you.

02:27:18.000 Right.

02:27:20.000 And I could totally wrap my head around that.

02:27:23.000 Well, when I first gave a crack at it, I had suction cups on the windows.

02:27:32.000 Oh, that's great.

02:27:34.000 Yeah, but I'm driving around.

02:27:36.000 You're doing it while driving?

02:27:38.000 Oh, you distracted.

02:27:39.000 I'm not a very good driver to begin with.

02:27:40.000 Yeah, you shouldn't be driving doing it.

02:27:42.000 You should be a passenger.

02:27:43.000 Have someone drive and sit in the back seat.

02:27:45.000 I know, but it was a misfire.

02:27:49.000 It was a misfire at that point, and then I realized, okay, set it up in the back, you know, park it.

02:27:57.000 Tim Pool has a dope setup, and I did his setup when he was in town.

02:28:01.000 He has a trailer, and the trailer is like a full studio with like a large screen television so they can pull up videos.

02:28:09.000 It's got internet, the whole deal.

02:28:11.000 And he's got cameras set up and desks.

02:28:14.000 It's like really, really well done.

02:28:15.000 I was like, ooh, this is good.

02:28:17.000 But then I thought about, I was like, I do too many podcasts as it is.

02:28:19.000 I don't need a fucking mobile podcast studio on top of what I'm already doing.

02:28:23.000 I'm like, shut the fuck up.

02:28:24.000 Yeah, you don't need that.

02:28:25.000 I have to get my brain sometimes and corner it and go, hey stupid, you don't have enough time to do what you do.

02:28:31.000 Why are you trying to do other things?

02:28:33.000 Don't do that.

02:28:34.000 That to me is a big thing.

02:28:35.000 Don't do too much.

02:28:37.000 Are you still selling fanny packs?

02:28:40.000 Yes, I do.

02:28:40.000 Do you want one?

02:28:42.000 Do you have any that aren't leather?

02:28:44.000 No.

02:28:44.000 Are you vegan?

02:28:45.000 I'm not vegan.

02:28:46.000 I just feel weird about leather.

02:28:49.000 Well, if you get leather from a company like White Oaks Pastures, they use everything.

02:28:57.000 Right.

02:28:58.000 I could back that.

02:28:59.000 They chew toys, leather.

02:29:01.000 They tan the leather from all their animals.

02:29:03.000 You know, I had this guy, Will Harris, who's a regenerative farmer on, and he told me they use everything on that animal.

02:29:10.000 I could back that.

02:29:11.000 Yeah, it's good.

02:29:12.000 It's very good.

02:29:13.000 And that is really the best way to get everything.

02:29:16.000 But you can't...

02:29:19.000 I would assume that a cow is very valuable as a commodity.

02:29:25.000 The meat is valuable.

02:29:26.000 There's no way they're going to just shoot a cow for their leather.

02:29:29.000 I don't think.

02:29:30.000 I think that they do, though.

02:29:32.000 Really?

02:29:32.000 I think in the factory farming where they process the meat to eat, I think they're just fucking throwing away the leather.

02:29:43.000 So they're probably throwing it away.

02:29:44.000 What I'm saying is they're not killing a cow just for the leather.

02:29:48.000 I don't think.

02:29:49.000 The factory farming slaughtering cows for beef, I think they are throwing away the leather.

02:29:55.000 But we're saying the opposite thing.

02:29:56.000 Right, right, right.

02:29:57.000 And then the people who are making it for the leather maybe are throwing away the beef.

02:30:00.000 I don't know about that.

02:30:01.000 Why would they do that, though?

02:30:02.000 It's so valuable.

02:30:04.000 It's thousands of dollars of beef.

02:30:05.000 Why would you just throw it away?

02:30:06.000 Yeah, I don't know about the other way.

02:30:09.000 I think that just the factory farming is so gnarly.

02:30:11.000 It's so fucking bad.

02:30:12.000 It's horrible.

02:30:13.000 Well, the thing that gets me is like, At this point, with the amount of fast food that people desire, and this is the conversation that I had with Will Harris, I said, is it possible to feed people the way we're doing it now with regenerative farming?

02:30:30.000 And he said, no.

02:30:32.000 He said, but should we be feeding people the way we're feeding them now?

02:30:38.000 The question is, if you have a place like Los Angeles where you have 18 million people that are living in this one spot and no one's growing anything, how are you going to get those people enough food And his thing was like,

02:30:54.000 maybe we shouldn't be living like that.

02:30:56.000 Because that is an unsustainable way to live.

02:30:59.000 But that's a giant conversation.

02:31:01.000 Like, what are you going to do?

02:31:02.000 Make people move out of the cities?

02:31:03.000 And people like living in cities.

02:31:05.000 But can you feed them in a way without factory farming?

02:31:09.000 It doesn't seem like you can.

02:31:11.000 It seems like we made those places because we had those other things, and they grew because of those other things, and now we're kind of stuck in this gross system.

02:31:25.000 Yeah.

02:31:26.000 Yeah, it's horrifying.

02:31:28.000 I mean, that's how I became a hunter, watching PETA videos.

02:31:32.000 I was like, I'm either going to be a vegetarian or I'm going to be a hunter.

02:31:36.000 Because I don't want to participate in that anymore.

02:31:38.000 I was trying to figure out, like, what is...

02:31:41.000 I saw that shit and had the same thought, that if you're going to eat meat, you should have to become licensed to do so.

02:31:50.000 You should have to kill an animal if you're going to be allowed to eat meat.

02:31:55.000 Well, there is definitely a disconnect when people eat meat.

02:31:59.000 They think that somehow or another they're not doing anything bad, but those same people sometimes will be upset at hunters.

02:32:10.000 They don't like it.

02:32:11.000 It's very weird.

02:32:13.000 Because if you're hunting, that animal has the best life possible.

02:32:18.000 And honestly, the best death possible is from a hunter.

02:32:22.000 If I shoot an elk with a bow and arrow and I hit it in the vitals and that elk dies in seconds, that is the absolute best death that thing is ever going to experience.

02:32:32.000 Because if that doesn't happen, they're going to get torn apart by wolves.

02:32:35.000 They're going to get eaten by a mountain lion.

02:32:37.000 They're going to get ripped apart by a bear.

02:32:39.000 That is way worse and way more horrific.

02:32:43.000 And freeze to death.

02:32:45.000 Mount Everest.

02:32:47.000 Animals freeze to death every year.

02:32:49.000 There's like die-offs, like mule deer die-offs.

02:32:51.000 Every hard winter, you'll lose thousands of mule deer that die off, just freeze to death.

02:32:58.000 It happens.

02:33:00.000 You know, it's like there's trade-offs, right?

02:33:02.000 It's not good in any way.

02:33:06.000 And if you want to eat meat, you know, if you want to buy it in a way that you feel good about it, like a regenerative farm is without a doubt the best place to get it from.

02:33:16.000 Like a place like White Oak Pastures where they're just living in these giant fields of grass and they're just roaming around.

02:33:23.000 They're 100% grass-fed.

02:33:25.000 They just live like they normally live and then one day...

02:33:28.000 They have one bad moment.

02:33:30.000 So, regenerative farming.

02:33:33.000 Regenerative farming means...

02:33:34.000 Like one ecosystem in one place.

02:33:36.000 Yes, yes, yes.

02:33:38.000 They essentially mimic nature in a controlled space.

02:33:43.000 Like that documentary, The Biggest Little Farm?

02:33:48.000 I don't know about that one.

02:33:49.000 But it's probably the same sort of a situation.

02:33:52.000 There's a guy named Joel Salatin.

02:33:54.000 I've had him on the podcast a couple times as well.

02:33:56.000 And he has a place called Polyface Farms.

02:33:59.000 And it's the same sort of a situation where they use the manure to fertilize the land.

02:34:04.000 That's exactly right.

02:34:06.000 Move the animals around so they're going to new places and by chewing up the grass the way the cows do, it actually benefits the land.

02:34:15.000 And the way Joel Salton and Will Harris have it with White Oaks Pastures, it's actually carbon negative.

02:34:22.000 Like, they don't produce more carbon, they actually sequester more carbon into the earth.

02:34:27.000 Right.

02:34:28.000 Yeah.

02:34:28.000 You'd think that more people would do that shit.

02:34:31.000 It's hard.

02:34:31.000 He lives in this place where he's surrounded by people who do industrialized farming and he does regenerative farming.

02:34:40.000 And the stark contrast between the runoff, like he showed us a video and there's a river that runs through his area and there's where his farm is and then there's the property line.

02:34:51.000 We're his neighbor who has an industrialized farm.

02:34:54.000 And the industrialized farm, all the topsoil's gone, right?

02:34:57.000 So they're using all this fucking artificial fertilizer.

02:35:02.000 And look at the difference.

02:35:03.000 There's a clear line.

02:35:04.000 Look at the line.

02:35:06.000 So his river is normal.

02:35:09.000 And then if you see that line in the river where to the right of that gentleman is all dark and muddy and fucked up, that's all toxic shit that's getting washed out of the industrialized farm into that river and poisoning the river.

02:35:25.000 And people that eat just vegetables and think that they're doing a great thing for the environment, they don't take into account how those vegetables are grown.

02:35:34.000 Monocrop agriculture in an industrial setting is devastating to the environment.

02:35:39.000 It's devastating to wildlife.

02:35:40.000 It's devastating to all the insects and all the different animals that live in those farms.

02:35:47.000 And not to mention that all the fucking processed soy and wheat is devastating to your body.

02:35:55.000 Oh, sure.

02:35:55.000 And also glyphosate.

02:35:57.000 You know, that Roundup stuff.

02:35:59.000 The fucking fake vegan meat.

02:36:02.000 Oh, it's horrible for me.

02:36:03.000 Like, I was vegan for a while there.

02:36:06.000 And I went to a colonic hydrotherapy.

02:36:16.000 Oh, you got your butt flushed out.

02:36:17.000 Yeah, I got my butt flushed out.

02:36:20.000 How was that?

02:36:21.000 It was cool.

02:36:22.000 I mean, I was just trying it out.

02:36:24.000 I bet you're the only person who ever said it was cool.

02:36:29.000 Yeah, and the person said, oh man, what are you eating?

02:36:33.000 You got all this yeasty...

02:36:36.000 They're shit experts.

02:36:40.000 I told them, I'm vegan.

02:36:44.000 And they were like, oh, that's the problem is that you're eating this highly processed fucking soy and wheat that your body does not recognize as food.

02:36:54.000 And clearly your body's struggling to break it down.

02:36:58.000 It's an absurd substance posing as food.

02:37:02.000 Well, those Impossible Burgers, we showed a study the other day that was showing that it's toxic for rats.

02:37:08.000 Yeah.

02:37:09.000 They fed rats the Impossible Burger, and the rats are getting sick.

02:37:15.000 Yeah.

02:37:16.000 There's many, many healthy vegetarian choices, especially like some Indian cuisine that's vegetarian.

02:37:22.000 It tastes great, good for you, but it's just vegetables.

02:37:25.000 It's not that shit.

02:37:27.000 That shit that's mimicking meat, like, ugh.

02:37:29.000 Yeah.

02:37:30.000 And seed oils and all the fucking horrible things that people eat that are supposed to be used as industrial lubricants and they've converted it to food for people.

02:37:41.000 That's really what seed oils are.

02:37:43.000 Yeah.

02:37:44.000 And in high concentrations and high levels of it, it's very inflammatory.

02:37:48.000 There's all these studies done on it.

02:37:50.000 It causes macular degeneration.

02:37:52.000 Like, Paul Saladino sent me all these studies that are showing that high levels of seed oils is actually contributing to eyesight diminishing in people.

02:38:01.000 I bet.

02:38:02.000 Yeah, what's the really dangerous...

02:38:07.000 Is it polyunsaturated...

02:38:16.000 Yeah, there's fats that the problem with them is when people cook in them particularly.

02:38:22.000 They're not so good for salad dressings either, but when people cook in them, they break down under heat, and that causes a lot of inflammation in people's bodies when people cook with those seed oils.

02:38:37.000 Like, again, they were originally created because, like, grapeseed oil.

02:38:42.000 It was created because they were trying to figure out what to do with these grapeseeds.

02:38:44.000 Like, oh, maybe we can get oil out of them and process it.

02:38:47.000 But it's, like, highly processed.

02:38:49.000 And they have to do something to take the smell out of it and the taste out of it.

02:38:53.000 Like, really processed shit.

02:38:54.000 And then when you cook with it, it breaks it down and oxidizes it, and it's just terrible for you.

02:39:00.000 You're supposed to, like, cook with, like, beef tallow is really good to cook with.

02:39:04.000 But there's some saturated fats and there's some natural fats that are good for you, like avocado oil is good for you.

02:39:09.000 There's oils that are good for you, but those oils are coming from, I mean, avocado is essentially a fruit.

02:39:14.000 Right.

02:39:15.000 Olive oil is good, right?

02:39:16.000 Olive oil is fantastic for you.

02:39:17.000 Yeah, like people in Italy live forever.

02:39:19.000 Yeah.

02:39:20.000 Well, they also have different wheat over there, too.

02:39:22.000 They go over there and eat pasta, and they're dealing with heirloom wheat, right?

02:39:26.000 So our wheat has more complex glutens in it, and it's highly processed to develop more yield per acre.

02:39:35.000 I remember in 2011 or something, I'm having dinner with Big Jay Oakerson.

02:39:43.000 I love Big Jay.

02:39:44.000 He's the best.

02:39:45.000 He says, what's up?

02:39:48.000 What's up with gluten, man?

02:39:49.000 Five years ago, nobody ever heard of it.

02:39:51.000 Now it's killing everybody.

02:39:53.000 It's true.

02:39:54.000 It's true.

02:39:55.000 And I wonder if...

02:39:58.000 If, like, the processed, maybe it's the, what do you call it, MGO or whatever, the modified organism, what do you call it?

02:40:13.000 Yeah, GMO. GMO, yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:40:15.000 Genetically modified organisms.

02:40:17.000 Yeah, I mean, that's what we're talking about.

02:40:18.000 It's like what they've essentially done is taking a normal wheat plant and they've engineered it to create a higher yield.

02:40:26.000 And because of that, there's more complex glutens in it.

02:40:29.000 And that has – it gives your body – it's more difficult to break down.

02:40:32.000 And is that a newer thing?

02:40:34.000 Yeah, it's more recent.

02:40:36.000 But, you know, and they don't do it in Italy.

02:40:39.000 And also in Italy, they don't use glyphosate.

02:40:43.000 They don't use Roundup.

02:40:44.000 Like these herbicides.

02:40:47.000 Like there was a study recently that showed there was something, it was like 80%, 80% of the people they tested, they found glyphosate in their blood.

02:40:54.000 So you're eating all these plants that have been sprayed with herbicides, and that herbicide shows up in your body.

02:41:01.000 And all these people, these shills, would be like, oh, it's just a small amount.

02:41:05.000 It's a small amount of the poison.

02:41:07.000 Don't worry about it.

02:41:07.000 It's fine.

02:41:08.000 We should keep using it.

02:41:09.000 That's how we're feeding everybody.

02:41:11.000 There's only one way.

02:41:13.000 Gotta take the poison.

02:41:14.000 And the Monsanto people have, at the Monsanto headquarters...

02:41:21.000 They serve organic food.

02:41:23.000 Do they really?

02:41:24.000 Yeah, it's like...

02:41:25.000 You sure?

02:41:26.000 I think so.

02:41:27.000 Is that true?

02:41:28.000 Google that.

02:41:29.000 That seems like bad PR. Seems like that's gonna get out.

02:41:36.000 That's hilarious though, if it's true.

02:41:38.000 Yeah, they don't fucking fuck with their own shit.

02:41:41.000 Well, you know, we're supposed to be eating organisms in the way that they form in nature.

02:41:46.000 You know, the healthy things in nature, healthy fruits, healthy vegetables, healthy animals and eggs.

02:41:52.000 That's how you're supposed to eat it.

02:41:54.000 You know, in factory farming, whether it's both monocrop agriculture in terms of growing food and even growing animals, like, we're fucking with things.

02:42:03.000 We're fucking with nature.

02:42:05.000 There's trade-offs and consequences when you do that.

02:42:08.000 And I think there's definitely people that are just allergic to gluten.

02:42:12.000 But man, I know that when I eat wheat and I eat bread and pasta when I'm in Italy, my body has a different reaction to it.

02:42:21.000 You don't feel as like weighed down.

02:42:23.000 You know, it feels like bloated.

02:42:26.000 Yeah.

02:42:28.000 But then again, bread's delicious.

02:42:31.000 Fucking good, man.

02:42:32.000 Nice piece of bread with some butter on it.

02:42:34.000 Oh, so good.

02:42:36.000 Nice fucking slice of lasagna.

02:42:38.000 Woo!

02:42:39.000 I think it's one of those every now and then things.

02:42:42.000 Like, I was in New York City this past weekend, and I ate at this great Italian place called Carbone.

02:42:47.000 Yeah, I saw that.

02:42:48.000 Oh, it was amazing.

02:42:49.000 So good.

02:42:50.000 If you go there, try the spicy rigatoni.

02:42:52.000 It's fantastic.

02:42:53.000 But it's like, don't do it every day.

02:42:55.000 But I gotta tell you, the next day I felt a little fat.

02:42:58.000 I felt a little bloated.

02:42:59.000 Yeah.

02:43:00.000 I went for a while there, and I was avoiding flour and sugar.

02:43:05.000 And my buddy says, man, whatever cookies you're eating must suck.

02:43:11.000 Well, they make cookies with, like, almond flour that are pretty good.

02:43:15.000 You can buy gluten-free cookies that aren't bad.

02:43:18.000 So one of my kids has a legit allergy to gluten.

02:43:22.000 Celiac disease?

02:43:22.000 No, it's not that bad.

02:43:24.000 I have a friend who has celiac disease, though, and he didn't find out about it until he was, like, 30. Like, he just was trying to figure out what was going on.

02:43:31.000 That's the best answer I could find on the Monsanto thing.

02:43:33.000 I haven't asked Hugh Grant, Monsanto's CEO, this question directly, but I'll say he doesn't care.

02:43:38.000 Here's why I feel like I can say that.

02:43:40.000 I work in the same building, just a floor away.

02:43:42.000 We both regularly eat in our campus cafeteria.

02:43:45.000 And our cafeteria is just regular food.

02:43:47.000 Most of us prioritize nutrition, freshness, taste, etc.

02:43:51.000 We also like to purchase products that we have a connection to.

02:43:54.000 We always get great turnout when we have products that come in directly from customers.

02:44:00.000 That's true whether they're conventional, GMO, or organic.

02:44:03.000 Well, that's like a non-answer.

02:44:05.000 Yeah, that sounds like...

02:44:07.000 Yeah.

02:44:09.000 I can say he doesn't care.

02:44:10.000 I haven't asked the CEO this question directly, but I'd say he doesn't care.

02:44:15.000 Well, if you're asking them, like, if he doesn't care, right, do you think Monsanto's CEO eats organic or doesn't really care?

02:44:22.000 That's just the CEO. Say he doesn't care.

02:44:26.000 They have some information like that on their website, too.

02:44:28.000 Yeah, I mean, who knows if he cares?

02:44:31.000 Maybe he's just greedy.

02:44:32.000 He just wants that cheddar.

02:44:34.000 You know?

02:44:35.000 He just wants to keep making that cash.

02:44:37.000 A lot of money in Monsanto.

02:44:39.000 Dude, let me tell you about what I'm selling for cheddar.

02:44:43.000 You're selling things?

02:44:44.000 What are you selling?

02:44:46.000 You got a bag of stuff you're selling?

02:44:48.000 Steve-O's butt wipes for your butthole.

02:44:51.000 Well, that's where generally you'd use a butt wipe.

02:44:55.000 Yeah, flushable butt wipes too.

02:44:56.000 You wouldn't use it for your cheeks.

02:44:58.000 They're flushable?

02:44:58.000 Not really.

02:44:59.000 Let me tell you something about those flushable butt wipes.

02:45:02.000 Don't flush them.

02:45:03.000 Oh, yeah?

02:45:03.000 No, they all fucking clog.

02:45:05.000 Talk to a plumber.

02:45:06.000 Those fucking things all clog up.

02:45:08.000 They don't break down.

02:45:09.000 They all get stuck.

02:45:11.000 They get stuck in pipes.

02:45:13.000 I picked the wrong place to fucking...

02:45:15.000 Google are butt wipes flushable.

02:45:19.000 Flushable butt wipes.

02:45:20.000 Are they flushable?

02:45:21.000 They're not.

02:45:22.000 They tell you don't flush them.

02:45:24.000 Talk to a plumber.

02:45:25.000 They fucking have people's pipes clogged up all the time with those things.

02:45:30.000 It's like essentially a cloth.

02:45:34.000 You're flushing a rag down the toilet.

02:45:37.000 You're not even supposed to flush paper towels.

02:45:40.000 Paper towels break down in your hand when you get them wet.

02:45:42.000 Those things don't break down.

02:45:44.000 Don't tell those.

02:45:46.000 Find out, though.

02:45:47.000 Two answers come up.

02:45:49.000 One, a company selling it that says, like, there's our flushable, showing a video of it.

02:45:54.000 You can flush them.

02:45:56.000 That's not the point.

02:45:57.000 The point is, they're not going to break down.

02:45:59.000 They're going to make their way out to wherever the fuck that water goes.

02:46:02.000 So this is what their video shows are breaking down.

02:46:05.000 But, again, this is theirs, and I don't know that all of them are made this way.

02:46:09.000 That's toilet paper, buddy.

02:46:11.000 No, no.

02:46:11.000 Hold on.

02:46:12.000 Go back.

02:46:12.000 Go back to that video.

02:46:13.000 One of them was toilet paper.

02:46:15.000 The other was the flushable wipe.

02:46:16.000 Right, but the flushable wipe wasn't breaking down.

02:46:18.000 The toilet paper was breaking down.

02:46:21.000 The flushable wipe on the right is breaking down slower.

02:46:26.000 I guess so.

02:46:27.000 Cottonelle.

02:46:28.000 Break down like toilet paper.

02:46:30.000 Alright, maybe they're making it different.

02:46:32.000 But I know there's flushable wipes that my plumber told me, don't fucking flush these things.

02:46:39.000 So this one says don't do it.

02:46:41.000 Dangers of flushing those flushable wipes.

02:46:43.000 People aren't flushing wipes down the toilet.

02:46:47.000 Oh, people are flushing flushable wipes down the toilet, and this is causing dangerous problems.

02:46:52.000 Toilet paper is designed to disintegrate in our pipes and sewage system, but flushable wipes are not.

02:46:57.000 They're typically made with synthetic materials, plastics or polyester that won't break down.

02:47:01.000 So even if they flush down your toilet, they end up clogging our sewers.

02:47:04.000 So maybe that other stuff that Cottonelle sends the cells does break down.

02:47:09.000 Hold on, go back.

02:47:11.000 It says, as wipes meet cooking fat in the sewage system, it builds up into a monstrous obstacle, aka a fatberg.

02:47:21.000 I've seen that.

02:47:22.000 A mass of solid waste consisting of cooking fats, disposable wipes, tampons, and other sanitary items that get flushed down the commode.

02:47:32.000 They're unhygienic, expensive to fix, incredibly gross.

02:47:35.000 If you're curious, just check out the Museum of London's Fatberg autopsy.

02:47:42.000 Clogs and fatbergs make jobs that are already hazardous and very difficult, even more so.

02:47:47.000 So whatever that cotton nail stuff that breaks down, maybe that's better.

02:47:52.000 Or maybe whatever it breaks down to is toxic.

02:47:55.000 I don't know what it's made out of.

02:47:58.000 I'm going to have to look into this.

02:47:58.000 But now, regardless of what happens after you flush it, the experience of using a butt wipe is way better than toilet paper.

02:48:06.000 It is way better than toilet paper.

02:48:07.000 I fucking love it, man.

02:48:08.000 I couldn't wipe my butt with dry toilet paper ever again.

02:48:12.000 Do you use one of those toilets that squirts water in your butt?

02:48:17.000 Love it.

02:48:18.000 Those are the best.

02:48:18.000 We have them here.

02:48:20.000 Love that shit.

02:48:21.000 Game changer.

02:48:22.000 Big time.

02:48:22.000 You're supposed to wash your butt off.

02:48:24.000 You're not supposed to smear shit all over it with paper.

02:48:28.000 On my podcast, of all the sponsors that I do ad reads for, I always say my favorite Sponsor of the podcast is Tushy.

02:48:40.000 It's a legit product.

02:48:41.000 It's the best.

02:48:42.000 And the Tushy one, you can connect to a regular toilet.

02:48:45.000 Right.

02:48:45.000 You don't even need to buy a whole new toilet.

02:48:47.000 Right.

02:48:48.000 It's like a pretty simple setup.

02:48:49.000 And then they came out with the new one that's a whole toilet seat that comes with it.

02:48:55.000 And the toilet seat's heated.

02:48:57.000 It's got a fucking remote control.

02:48:59.000 You control the temperature of the water you're blasting your butthole with.

02:49:03.000 Yes.

02:49:05.000 So much better.

02:49:06.000 Yeah.

02:49:07.000 Once you do that, the first time I experienced that was in Japan.

02:49:11.000 When I was in Japan, they had those years and years ago.

02:49:13.000 I was like, ooh, this is way better.

02:49:16.000 Like, why don't we do that?

02:49:17.000 Right.

02:49:18.000 We have water in there.

02:49:19.000 Just figure out a way to squirt the water.

02:49:21.000 You got to have squatty potty and you got to have the day.

02:49:24.000 Yeah.

02:49:24.000 So you're selling hot sauce too?

02:49:26.000 Hot sauce, yeah, dude.

02:49:27.000 Let me see that.

02:49:27.000 What do you got?

02:49:28.000 Hot sauce for your butthole, dude.

02:49:29.000 Oh, it's for your butthole.

02:49:31.000 Well, I just thought, you know.

02:49:34.000 Is it good?

02:49:34.000 Is it good hot sauce?

02:49:35.000 Dude, it's so fucking good.

02:49:37.000 Who's making this for you?

02:49:39.000 We've got a place in Texas and it's called Hot Sauce Depot and they allowed me to make my own recipe combining So you made

02:50:09.000 it like you did different tastes?

02:50:11.000 I did, yeah.

02:50:12.000 Nice.

02:50:12.000 There it is.

02:50:13.000 Hot sauce for your butthole.

02:50:14.000 Steve-O's.

02:50:16.000 Yep.

02:50:16.000 And now we've got the new Steve-O's Butthole Destroyer.

02:50:19.000 Oh, this is a super hot one, huh?

02:50:21.000 Yeah.

02:50:21.000 The top three ingredients on the Butthole Destroyer are the three hottest peppers.

02:50:26.000 Whoa.

02:50:27.000 So this is like super hot.

02:50:28.000 Super hot.

02:50:29.000 All right.

02:50:29.000 I'll try it.

02:50:30.000 I'll let you know.

02:50:31.000 And where people can find this?

02:50:32.000 You can buy both of my hot sauces on Amazon.

02:50:36.000 Oh, nice.

02:50:37.000 You can buy them both on Steve-O.com.

02:50:39.000 Steve-O.com.

02:50:41.000 All right, brother.

02:50:42.000 Yeah.

02:50:42.000 And you have a book.

02:50:44.000 And I've got my new books.

02:50:48.000 A Hard Kick in the Nuts.

02:50:53.000 That's a perfect name for you for a book.

02:50:55.000 Yeah.

02:50:57.000 It's so rad.

02:51:00.000 All right.

02:51:01.000 Yeah.

02:51:01.000 Well, hey, brother.

02:51:02.000 It was great to see you.

02:51:03.000 It was fun.

02:51:03.000 Likewise, man.

02:51:04.000 Fun conversation.

02:51:05.000 I enjoyed it.

02:51:06.000 Thank you so much.

02:51:07.000 If people want to find you on the road, it's steveo.com.

02:51:11.000 Steveo.com, yeah.

02:51:12.000 And they can come see you do stand-up.

02:51:13.000 Yep.

02:51:14.000 And then the book is available, I'm sure, everywhere, right?

02:51:17.000 Everywhere books are sold.

02:51:18.000 Everywhere books are sold.

02:51:19.000 All right, brother.

02:51:19.000 Thank you very much, man.

02:51:20.000 Thank you.

02:51:21.000 Good seeing you.

02:51:21.000 All right.

02:51:22.000 Bye, everybody.

The Joe Rogan Experience - November 17, 2022

Joe Rogan Experience #1900 - Steve-O

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