Joe Rogan is a comedian, writer, podcaster, and all-around badass. In this episode, we talk about how he got to where he is now, what it's like to be a comedian and writer, and how to stay motivated to keep going when you don't feel like it. We also talk about why it's important to have a good night's rest and how important it is to get back up and running the next day, even if it means going to bed early and getting up at 4:30am. Joe also talks about why he doesn't like going on vacations and why he thinks it's a good idea to stay on the grind all the time. We talk about the value of taking a break and taking a mini vacation, and why you should do the same when you feel like you're feeling burnt out and need a push to get going. And we talk a little bit about how to deal with procrastination and how he's not a procrastinator. I hope you enjoy this episode and that it gives you some insight into what it means to be "uncomfortable" in your own headspace. Tweet me if you have any questions or would like to have Joe on the podcast. Timestamps: 1:00 - How do you stay motivated? 4:15 - How much time do you spend procrastinating? 6:30 - How often do you procrastinate? 7:00- What do you go to sleep? 8:00 9:20 - What are you going to do? 11:40 - What is the best thing you can you do to keep your headspace? 12:00sickest thing you do in a day? 13:30- What is your biggest weakness? 14:00 Is there something you're working on? 15:00 Do you want to do more? 16:00 What is something you re working on right now? 17:00 Does it help you get better? 18:00 Are you working on your day off? 19:00 Can you be a better person than someone else? 21:00 is he stronger than them? 22:00 How do they have a better than you're stronger than you? 23:00 You re not stronger than me? 26:00 I m not better than them 27:00 Why do you have a problem?
00:00:53.000So when you're going fucking hard and you grind all the fucking time, Like everybody knows you're 24 hours in a day, but when I'm in the shower, it's a mental aid station.
00:01:28.000Do you feel now almost a responsibility to stay at it all the time because so many people are watching and paying attention and drawing inspiration from you?
00:03:24.000And this right here can probably make me some money.
00:03:25.000So they're in it for fucked up reasons.
00:03:28.000There's just not a whole lot of people like you.
00:03:32.000I love that phrase, uncommon amongst uncommon men.
00:03:36.000Because it's such a good phrase because it just shows you...
00:03:40.000You've been on this path for so long, and you're grinding for so long, but you're also honest about there's moments where you don't want to fucking do this, which is why it's so interesting, because you do it.
00:04:04.000But that's what people need to hear because they feel like that somewhere out there there's some superhuman person who never feels despair and doesn't have any...
00:06:57.000When you sent me that x-ray after your surgery...
00:07:03.000And I looked at what they did to your knee, and I looked at what it looks like, what the actual bone-on-bone looks like, and how it had distorted because there's no cushioning at all.
00:07:16.000And the doctor said to you, I can't even believe you could fucking walk on these knees.
00:07:59.000Or we can see how far we can push the human body.
00:08:02.000So on that journey, as I started getting more and more into my mind and start realizing that while what I'm capable of doing, my mind got stronger.
00:09:27.000From the top, from your tibia to your femur, there's zero space.
00:09:33.000It's just kneecap covering two bones that are rubbing against each other.
00:09:38.000And so this was after surgery where they had to cut your knee and Slice your shin like in half and then take a chunk out of it because it had deformed so much from you running with bone on bone that it was starting to like swell out in one direction and it was changing the alignment of your leg.
00:14:22.000So he went in there to clean it up, and then what happened?
00:14:25.000So basically, that little meniscus, that whatever the fuck was in there, so my alignment was so bad, the only thing that was keeping me able to do anything was that little fucked up, messed up meniscus.
00:14:40.000It was all jarred up and jacked up, but the second that thing got out, dude, It was like, have you seen Star Wars, those storm things, those big fucking things that, what are they called?
00:14:54.000They have wobbly legs and they hit like logs.
00:17:10.000I'm getting fucking like, I'm literally getting my knee drained every week, getting PRP. I'm like, man, in the back of my mind, I know how far I can push myself.
00:17:19.000I know my body so fucking well, so well.
00:19:13.000I don't know how you did anything with those knees, anything, let alone run 200 miles back to back, 240 miles, whatever the fuck you did, I don't know how you did it.
00:19:39.000So basically my knee went in on the meniscus side on the inside So it was like jamming on the inside.
00:19:45.000So this brace kind of like it kind of helps realign the knee a little bit So then you cannot have so much pressure on the inside your leg So that's it right there.
00:21:01.000So he was like, yeah, there's this surgery called HTO. And he was like, you can go in, we can fucking, you know, pretty much break your tibia.
00:23:53.000And so this, it looks like some sort of a clear gel-looking stuff, which is, you know, the meniscus is just a cushioning in between the two bones and the cartilage.
00:24:39.000No, because basically it wouldn't even work for me because my knee was gone.
00:24:43.000But the way he reshaped it, wasn't that correct?
00:24:47.000I mean, he kind of like changed your alignment of your knee and made it more normal, right?
00:24:52.000I think he made it more normal, but from what I understand, if you put that in there, like structure-wise, what makes it more normal is the surgery he did.
00:25:03.000So right now, there's no bone-on-bone for me.
00:25:06.000So there's no need for that meniscus at all.
00:25:09.000So a lot of people get their meniscus taken out if you have the right alignment and your body can do what it's supposed to do.
00:25:44.000Surgery to remove the meniscus in his left knee 11 years ago while he was at Marquette led to ongoing knee problems he's had with Miami Heat.
00:25:52.000I'm so glad that you have this fucking thing to pull up, Jamie, because I would be talking out of my ass half the damn time.
00:26:17.000But what I like about, and this was literally a trained skill for me, was I'm always preparing for not being a bitch.
00:26:28.000A lot of people get to a point, for instance, if Jennifer can't do something, if she can't go for a run or whatever, just because something's wrong, like some simple shit, it's going to bother her.
00:26:41.000I got to a point in my life where I realized this is life.
00:26:44.000And so I move on past things real quick.
00:26:46.000So people are like, oh my God, what are you going to do, David, if you can't run?
00:27:17.000But the second I got my head out of my ass, and I realized, man, you can achieve a lot of shit if you get off your ass and you start moving and you start motivating yourself, start becoming a self-motivator.
00:30:53.000He's on a mental journey that very few people have ever been on Because the what people don't understand you they or they misunderstand you or they purposely misinterpret the way you're living your life You're trying To understand your mind in a way that very few human beings ever get to understand their mind.
00:31:18.000Because you're taking your mind into these terrible dark places all the time and you're trying to pull things out of that.
00:31:27.000You're trying to learn things about yourself and about your potential from that.
00:32:13.000When I was growing up, and I saw my mom getting beat, and I got beat, and I was some stuttering little black kid in all-white school, and I'm on stage, and I gotta say one line, one fucking line in front of fucking 15 people, and I walk off stage, I'm gonna fucking stutter.
00:32:28.000All those insecurities and all those fucking things, man.
00:34:36.000It's like a fucking circuit breaker that has so much shit in it, you keep unloading it, you can't put any more into it.
00:34:42.000So, I talk about it in there, man, so much about clearing space in your fucking mind so that you have room for all those discipline, waking up early, taking those, because they do mean something, but we don't get to that fucking dark matter that is keeping you from clearing out that mental garage.
00:36:40.000I never thought I was going to be writing books and trying to help people get better.
00:36:45.000But I was always trying to do it because I knew I sucked.
00:36:50.000And so when you know you're trying to get somewhere, you know you suck, you know that you believe that you're a born loser, you are taking snapshots, man.
00:36:57.000Like, you know, you see something on your phone, like, oh man, I'm going to take a fucking snapshot of that, or however you do the little picture shit so you can save it on your phone.
00:37:38.000And so when I come home, I'm not forgetting it.
00:37:41.000Every day I get done running or every day I get through work and every day I get through studying, whatever it is that brings me to that place of knowledge, I come home and that book was mostly written on a scratch piece of paper in hand.
00:37:54.000So I come home from running and I write everything out.
00:37:57.000I write everything out, all those things.
00:37:59.000And as I'm running, I'm talking about it.
00:38:03.000So all these things that pop in my head as I continue to run, I'm going through it.
00:42:45.000I gained seven fucking years of knowledge.
00:42:48.000The ups and downs, the pain, the suffering, the...
00:42:51.000You learn how to chunk this shit down like, oh my God, man, I'm at mile 100. How the fuck am I going to get to mile 118?
00:42:58.000Everything becomes, you start to learn life out there and you learn so much in such a condensed period of time and nothing in the world can do it like pushing yourself to the absolute limit.
00:43:12.000I call it like, so people have talent.
00:44:02.000I see fighters, I see runners, I see people who they're great, but they get to the edge of their talent and it's like, fuck man, what's up?
00:44:13.000Because you're now at the point now where your talent ain't gonna do shit for you, my friend.
00:44:38.000But when they get tired and when they get pushed and when they get into that, when the world starts narrowing and the walls start closing in and they can't see peripherally anymore and they're exhausted and they start making mistakes.
00:44:53.000So all of their understanding of what to do next gets clouded because they're thinking about quitting.
00:44:59.000They're thinking about being exhausted.
00:47:11.000Because they could piece people up on the outside, they win fights easy, they stop a bunch of people in the first round, they look like a hero.
00:47:18.000But then when someone comes along that can survive that first round and then start dragging them into hell.
00:47:40.000If you're their coach and you're trying to get them to see that we got to get you past this talent problem, we got to get you to the point where you're into that mental zone.
00:47:51.000Because we got to get you way past your talent.
00:47:53.000And it's hard for coaches to take these fighters or whoever Past your talent, and on the other side of that is where they gain true, true levels.
00:48:04.000The levels beyond talent, that's where it really is.
00:48:08.000Because if you're able to take a motherfucker down to the deep end, while a motherfucker's just putting his toe in, fueling the water and shit, if a motherfucker's in the deep end, he'll be able to take you down there, and he's mentally strong, it's over.
00:48:48.000I got my fucking deep in certification.
00:48:51.000But you know what's interesting about this book is you talk about how there was moments, even though you're clearly deep-end qualified, clearly deep-end certified.
00:49:07.000And you're recognizing it in yourself, even though you know your ability, you know your history, you know what you've been capable of doing in the past.
00:49:15.000You're like, but I haven't been there.
00:51:48.000If I allow you to gain five more pounds, or allow you to take four more days off of school, or allow you to keep on procrastinating in your fucking life, and I see it, and I tell Jennifer behind your back, I'm doing you no fucking justice.
00:53:13.000And it was hard as fuck every fucking day to get up.
00:53:15.000I know what it feels like when you roll your fat ass out of bed and all you want is some fucking damn cinnamon buns and shit and fucking chuck and milkshakes.
00:54:24.000And you can't say a motherfucking thing about it.
00:54:27.000This is what, it's interesting though, is that when you're talking about how you had to come to this realization that you'd become a part-time savage, this isn't recently.
00:54:57.000And if you do take a little time and start enjoying it, all of a sudden that general in the back of your head is like, hey, hey, look at what you're doing.
00:55:23.000You know, because what I used to do, and what I do now, is I got to a point, I'd be running, and I was like, okay, man, we could do 10 miles today.
00:55:32.000I get to 10 miles, but I'm like, oh, no, motherfucker.
00:55:35.000That fucking demon that I let out every fucking morning that walks the streets at night, he comes saying, oh, bitch, not today, man.
00:55:42.000There's somebody out there that you don't know, have never fucking met in your entire life that is doing 12, 13, 14. You're going to do another one.
00:55:51.000And when you meet them, You ain't gonna be fucking ready.
00:58:14.000Saying, oh, we fucking worked it out, dude.
00:58:16.000Whenever we meet him and together, you can guarantee it's going to be two people that love each other, but are waiting for the other motherfucker to break.
00:59:30.000I think one of the most important parts about the way you express yourself in your books is that you do talk about your weaknesses, and you do talk about your past and how you started off on this journey, and you talk about how there are those moments that you doubt, but you still go.
00:59:48.000Sometimes, like, you know, you got called an audible.
00:59:52.000You know, the line of scrimmage, man, like some of the great quarterbacks, they'll be at the line of scrimmage and they'll look at the defense.
01:01:14.000Because when you're trying to do something that's bigger than you, whatever you are, whoever you are, if you're paralyzed, you're trying to walk one step, and you didn't.
01:04:09.000If you're not good by the age of seven or eight years old, you have a good chance of being fucked the rest of your life.
01:04:15.000So if you're parents or you came up wrong, and then seven or eight, if you don't have the self-esteem, but you fucking grind, you're like, I want to be better.
01:04:24.000When you get to that UFC championship, or you get to where I got, or where I am, It's almost like you can't believe the journey like I talked about in that fucking VFW and I'm in the first chapter that book man I'm sitting in that audience all those fucking people and I'm about to get the you know Americanism award and I was grinding so hard I never took time to reflect on my life and this was like Time to reflect and I was all kind of fucked up and I got on stage man just fucking cried for like 59
01:04:54.000seconds and And it was such an emotional moment for me that I fucking, that I fucking did what I did.
01:05:40.000Because every day, even though they're fucking the best in the world, That little motherfucker at seven or eight years old is still in there saying, oh man, we don't have something.
01:06:24.000And all these things you do to start forming yourself.
01:06:27.000You're chipping another fucking piece of that rock off.
01:06:30.000Before you know it, you have this beautiful fucking piece of artwork that you built.
01:06:36.000But people don't and then once you get there you see it it becomes real like oh my god fucking did this shit And so like the fucking journey becomes so real then but so many people aren't willing to fucking chip away At that stone that is them to start chipping off those fucking rough edges That's the fear.
01:06:54.000The fear is never reaching your potential.
01:10:18.000It's so painful reading about your childhood and the experiences with your father.
01:10:25.000And then when you went back and met your father as an adult and got with him and watched him get drunk and then watch him get belligerent and experience it all over again.
01:10:40.000And then think about what happened to him to make him who he is.
01:11:25.000So my whole idea when I went back to see my dad was I was hoping that I could just fucking call myself illusion that it's because of you, dad.
01:11:33.000So I was hoping to go back and get the confirmation that I always wanted.
01:11:54.000So I was like, okay, man, I'm going to go back and visit this motherfucker so I can just squash it and I can just go on and be a fucking loser because you fucked me up.
01:12:02.000When I got there, I drove to Buffalo, saw my dad.
01:12:06.000Same routine as it was when I was eight years old, man.
01:13:54.000And to achieve the standards that you've achieved, to become the person that you are today and to have the influence that you have, this global influence on people.
01:14:05.000Do you know how many people have laced up their shoes because they heard your voice?
01:14:09.000How many people have just moved into action and changed their life because they've We're good to go.
01:14:35.000And then your words, as an example, and your describing of it, and then your description of your own shortcomings and failures that give people confidence that it's not like you're this superhuman person that is like a character in a book.
01:14:50.000No, you're a real human being who has real insecurities and real failures in your past and real demons.
01:14:58.000And you've figured out a way to harness that energy and just keep going forward and not quit.
01:17:04.000My life wasn't fucking PG, motherfucker.
01:17:07.000You can't just turn who the fuck you are off.
01:17:10.000When you see your mom going with that kind of shit, And then I'm coming to her defense at seven or eight years old and she's getting her fucking ass beat by a 220 pound man.
01:18:23.000You're going to make sure she's taken care of.
01:18:25.000So she came out and one of the people that, you know, she got married a few times because she was looking for something that my dad stripped from her.
01:20:15.000And that's I didn't ask shit, but I knew something was fucked cuz like three four hours a night 15 minute hangout cuz he was in prison This guy was in prison.
01:20:23.000So you only have 15 minutes on the phone.
01:20:28.000So She was always about helping people out.
01:20:32.000But the thing about it was like I Was right in front of her and needed so much fucking help And that was fucked up for me for a long time, but she helped out so many people.
01:20:45.000But I guess since I was with her through the journey, I didn't count.
01:23:19.000But he literally, I don't know how it went down, but he choked a woman to death over some drugs.
01:23:30.000And I don't know the ins and outs of all this other shit and That's who she was gonna fucking be with and he was getting out of prison Literally in a few weeks after I was going to Air Force boot camp So I'm in fucking Air Force boot camp thinking about my mom is about to fucking marry a Fucking dude who got sent to prison marry him right away to right away So the first time I meet this motherfucker dude is at my fucking Air Force graduation My
01:25:44.000The idea of you going off to boot camp Knowing that your mom's gonna be alone with this guy getting out of prison.
01:25:51.000Yeah, that shit must have been haunting.
01:25:53.000It fucked me up every night Every night I'm sitting in the fucking in my bunk thinking and then I I knew the date he was getting out of prison And like, you know, you can't just get on the phone and call.
01:26:06.000You don't know you're in boot camp you get like Every now and then they say okay.
01:26:10.000You have like a phone call once a week or some shit I think every Sunday was a phone call And I'll never forget, when he got to the house, man, I actually got...
01:27:37.000So, you know, when I met him, I was supportive, and I sat back and looked at him, and I wanted to fucking beat this motherfucker down so bad because I knew, like, you're not a good egg, bro.
01:30:13.000Oh, they know better, but what makes people feel good, like when you become successful, when you become successful, and I had to realize this, and this guy made me realize this, I had to study them.
01:30:26.000When you become successful, especially within a fraternity like that, like this is a fraternity, bro.
01:30:34.000This isn't like a fucking like, oh, like in the Air Force, you know, this is a very different world.
01:30:41.000So several SEALs, I'm going to say, there's a lot that would like to see me fucking a lot.
01:30:47.000They like to see a lot of people not do well and them do great.
01:31:01.000Is it just the hyper-competitive nature of the type of people that get involved?
01:31:05.000Yeah, it's like, you know, we have this, this, this, this, this macho stigma that, you know, like, you know, we're, we're the best of the best.
01:31:14.000We're fucking, we're, we're, we're the best motherfuckers in the world.
01:32:11.000I know where this shit comes from, man.
01:32:13.000This shit comes from shit you haven't handled.
01:32:15.000So I... It doesn't even bother me anymore.
01:32:19.000But when I came out in 2018, this SEAL from SEAL Team 6, he had, and Jennifer, it pissed Jennifer off so fucking bad, and I was cool about it.
01:32:32.000But this guy started YouTube channels saying that I was dishonorably discharged.
01:32:37.000I fucking was kicked out of the SEAL teams.
01:35:05.000And so when you're in these kind of communities like this, man, people are like, oh no, there's no way he was trying to do that.
01:35:11.000Man, I wish I could get Jennifer here right now.
01:35:14.000We have all the screenshots and I had to get a fucking lawyer.
01:35:18.000I mean this guy went so far and then what happened was over a period of time he fucking literally apologized, went away, fucking took all this shit down.
01:35:30.000I mean, but he came out and but what happened was that rumor mill spread like wildfire.
01:35:36.000Did he have to know, did he have to be told about your actual record?
01:36:49.000But anyway, the reason, this guy actually helped me out.
01:36:52.000So when I came out, there's a few guys that came after me in the SEAL teams, trying to make sure that I fucking wasn't going to be who I am.
01:37:00.000And they still talk their bullshit lies.
01:37:42.000I started thinking about what kind of pussy you are, man.
01:37:46.000How you must have so many fucking demons in your life that you spend this kind of time just trying to take another just trying to take another man and not It'd be different if it was truth behind it, right lies Fucking lies.
01:37:58.000Yeah, just because we didn't get along motherfucker It don't mean I wasn't who I am.
01:38:04.000We didn't get along motherfucker cuz I fucking I'm like a lie detector Cuz I'm so fucking honest with myself I had such a hard time in my life that I fucking so forthright when you get even near me and Because I fucking, you know my shit is real.
01:38:30.000Yeah, I may not have deployed as many times as you motherfucker because of my heart issues and the other issues that I won't talk about because the fucking news wants me to fucking talk about this shit so bad.
01:38:38.000They want to take some SEALs down so bad.
01:39:35.000I said, you can wake up every fucking morning being the bitch that you are, but I'm not going to fucking take money out of your pocket and money out of your fucking kid's mouth.
01:39:44.000And this kid, this guy wound up apologizing to you?
01:39:49.000What happened was he got on, and I don't want to go too deep because they'll be able to figure it out, but he ended up Basically saying he had a fucking...
01:43:51.000I think part of the problem with some of those guys is when guys are seriously alpha, and they think they go above and beyond, and they push harder than anybody, and then they meet you.
01:44:04.000And you're the guy that's getting up at 3.30 in the morning yelling at them while you're running.
01:47:44.000You know that email I sent to you a while ago about this guy who wrote that email about the SEAL teams, and I shared it with you about, he's talking about like only 13% of you actually, it's like, anyway, I sent you an email.
01:48:57.000You ever heard when people talk about some union work?
01:49:00.000One of the things that happens when you're in some unions is like if you're working too hard, someone will come along and go, hey David, slow the fuck down.
01:50:07.000And when you're a person who prides yourself on your ability to go very far, and then someone is willing to go far farther than you, you have to decide...
01:50:17.000Do I want to look at that as the new standard?
01:50:45.000Instead of a smart person, we'll look at that person as fuel.
01:50:50.000But you have to make your own decisions, too, because what you do requires a dedication that will eliminate a lot of things from your life that some people enjoy and think are important.
01:51:02.000Dude, and also when I took the road, because I knew what I was doing.
01:51:07.000When you take that road and you just don't want to just fit in, it's a lonely road.
01:51:13.000It's a lonely road and you get a lot of haters, man.
01:51:15.000Like I tell people all the time, man, If I could walk on water, motherfuckers would say it because I couldn't swim.
01:51:23.000I'll tell you that right the fuck now.
01:53:10.000That you could apply to your loved ones, that you could apply to the thing that you love to do, that you could apply to making your life better.
01:53:18.000You're stealing from yourself when you pay attention.
01:53:21.000Like I was talking about, man, clearing that space out.
01:53:23.000And that space allows you to make more room for what's important in your life.
01:53:28.000If your mind's still cluttered, man, you can't do shit.
01:53:30.000There's also a thing about you being a public person.
01:53:32.000Being a public person, now you have access to way more haters than the average.
01:53:38.000The average person knows a few haters.
01:53:40.000Maybe if you're a good-looking woman, and you got some bitches in the office that like to talk shit about you, or if you're a guy who's getting after it early and being disciplined, and you make people intimidated by your ambition, you're gonna have some haters.
01:53:54.000You're gonna have people lying about you.
01:53:56.000But you have no idea what it's like to be a public person like yourself.
01:54:03.000The kind of haters that you must experience because if you paid attention to them all day long, you would have no time for anything else.
01:54:11.000No, I never get in 2013 when I was first, you know, Jennifer knows about this shit.
01:54:42.000I had this fucking kid, man, who fucking literally, the reason I talk about haters so much is this little boy, his parents reached out to me, and he was getting so much hate at school.
01:54:53.000And we get so many emails, I can't check them all.
01:54:56.000But I get to him, but later on, much like two or three months later.
01:55:01.000So this guy wrote us and this kid was having a hard time with bullies.
01:55:06.000And when I got to his email, I got to it, called his family up, said, hey, what's going on?
01:58:10.000When you're trying to have the best character, when you're trying not to fucking lie, you're trying not to fucking put people down, you're trying to live, you're trying to set the standard.
01:58:19.000When you're trying to be the standard, There's so much going wrong and going off in this world that if people can focus on themselves being better versus throwing hate and fucking all this shit that happens out there and people talking shit,
01:58:34.000that's why I won't mention no motherfuckers names.
01:59:09.000But yeah, you know, people fucking, it's crazy, man.
01:59:12.000People come up to me and tell me their stories, man.
01:59:13.000It's fucking very humbling that this kid that came from fucking nothing is now helping people who, you know, Like, you know, it's just funny and people call me crazy a lot.
01:59:24.000Man, you're so fucking crazy, but what you do?
01:59:27.000And I look at him straight in the eye and I say, man, I'm not crazy.
02:00:59.000But that feeling of getting through this, because the last cycles, when you're doing, like, and you look, like, because the Rogue bike will show you, like, you've done three.
02:01:48.000Yeah, yeah, because I enjoyed October.
02:01:51.000The suck, when it's over, life is better.
02:01:57.000You just gotta get through the suck and then life is better.
02:02:01.000But the thing that gets me is the level of I don't give a fuck and the lack of anxiety that comes after you work out every day is so worth the workout.
02:02:33.000I've incorporated a new thing that I was telling you where I get up first thing in the morning, I get in the cold plunge.
02:02:38.000Because I was doing the cold plunge after I did the sauna, and it's a little easier because the sauna sucks, but when that 20 minutes is up or 25 minutes is up and then you get in that cold, the cold sucks, but it doesn't suck as much as when you're cold and then you get in the cold.
02:02:55.000So when I wake up in the morning, I don't dress warm, I wear my fucking underwear, and I go outside, and it's 40 degrees this morning, and I walk out, and I lift the lid on that Merazgo cold plunge, and I see the fucking ice floating up in there, and every day I climb in.
02:03:39.000Yeah, because there's a benefit after you work out in terms of reduction of inflammation, but what they're saying is you shouldn't do it right after you lift weights.
02:03:50.000Because then it actually decreases the hypertrophy, so you don't gain as much mass or gain as much strength.
02:03:58.000But there's some benefit to doing it before you work out.
02:04:03.000I think there's a link involved in that too.
02:04:08.000So anyway, this is a guy who's talking about prostate-specific antigen blood tests came back very high, and everyone said that he had to get a biopsy.
02:04:20.000And he said, the story I've heard about older men getting biopsies in prostatectomies sounded like nightmares to him, so he decided to try to manage his PSA with ketosis and ice baths.
02:05:55.000Whereas before, I was working out, so the workout, I eased myself into the workout, get on the bike, warm up, jump a little rope, start the kettlebell routine, do all the things you gotta do.
02:06:05.000But now it's just right into the suck.
02:06:08.000I tell you right now, man, the fucking code...
02:06:11.000Being in cold water, ice water, it literally is the one thing that makes you question everything.
02:06:19.000When you're going through hard training and shit like that, I've been through a lot of different training in the military, and that cold water, it definitely, many dreams die while suffering.
02:07:42.000You know, I've always said Mighty Mouse is one of my best bets.
02:07:46.000Because he was so goddamn good, and he's still so goddamn good.
02:07:49.000But now he's fighting in one FC. But he was a flyweight champion for a long time, and he was the highest level of expression of mixed martial arts ability that I've ever seen.
02:08:00.000But he's also fighting guys that are much lighter.
02:13:45.000Right now, he's in his physical prime.
02:13:48.000And he's like, told his mom, he's done.
02:13:51.000He's not coming back, you don't think?
02:13:52.000Well, his protege is Islam Makachev, who's now the new UFC lightweight champion.
02:13:58.000And Islam is as good as him in that same realm.
02:14:02.000I mean, it remains to be seen whether or not Islam can have a reign the way he did, but he just beat Charles Oliveira as one of the best ever.
02:14:09.000And he just ran through him to win the title.
02:14:19.000He kind of fell apart in many fights early in his career, and then he had the birth of his daughter, and then changed his fucking entire life.
02:14:28.000Changed the way he fought, changed his mentality, changed his discipline and his focus, and then became this motherfucker who was just dominating everybody.
02:14:48.000Jan Bojovic, Glover Teixeira just lost the light heavyweight title at 42. He won it at 42 and then lost it to Yuri Prohovska in a very, very close fight.
02:14:58.000Yeah, he's 33. Olivera is 33. You know what's funny about that, man, about us these older guys who are still fucking grinding hard?
02:16:20.000There's a lot of speculation, and one of the things they say is that they believe that at a certain point in time, your brain tries to protect you from the punishment, and just shut off.
02:16:31.000Like, that your body realizes, like, this dude is too strong mentally.
02:16:36.000He's too tough, and he'll just absorb shots, and it's just ruining our brain.
02:16:42.000So when you get hit, your brain is like...
02:16:50.000The other less optimistic perspective is that you're destroying your mind and that your mind is simply not resilient anymore and you can't take a shot anymore because you've damaged all the connective tissue that's holding the fucking brain in place and you've also created so much CTE and so much swelling and so much that one shot can take you out.
02:17:10.000There's also, on top of that, one of the big problems with MMA is the weight cutting.
02:17:14.000So the weight cutting is what everybody does, they drain themselves 24 hours before the fight, weigh in, say, oh, he weighs 170 pounds.
02:17:23.000Guys like Kamaru Usman, who's giant for 170, he's 170 for like 20 minutes.
02:18:02.000So if you're 35, 37, 39, all these guys that have been doing that their whole life, every time you cut that weight, it takes a little chip off the old block.
02:21:55.000There's talent, there's discipline, there's the mind, focus, and there's also the brilliance of his ability to interpret and understand technique.
02:23:09.000That's why a lot of times when I talk to people, I can't have a conversation with a lot of people, man, because you're going to walk away like...
02:24:43.000You're totally rewiring how the whole brain works to not feel sorry for yourself, to ignore pain, to ignore discomfort, to push your mind in a place that people don't even fucking want to talk about.
02:28:10.000I know you were like, I gotta tap, I gotta tap, I gotta tap.
02:28:13.000But if you break that down, really break it down to the smallest molecule possible, your mind went through so many things that allowed you to not Tap.
02:28:31.000It is, because for that man, I mean, Volkanovski, he walked out of there with his fucking belt, with the victory, the cheers, the roars, the crowd, goes back home.
02:29:38.000There's something about the way you describe things and the way you're so honest and so personal about it.
02:29:45.000Especially the audio version of it and then when you do the podcast so the way the audio is a special treat because it's the book and then with each individual chapter you have a small podcast where you and your co-writer break down what it was like for you and what was happening and what you were feeling and it allows you to do it in an unscripted way so you could really and you're so honest about it It just gives
02:30:15.000you an understanding of that discomfort is unavoidable.
02:30:20.000And that trying to avoid discomfort just brings you more discomfort.
02:30:24.000And you don't realize it, it just brings you this long-term dull discomfort.
02:30:28.000As opposed to this searing pain of like mid-struggle discomfort, which is what everybody's trying to avoid.
02:30:36.000But you're still gonna get discomfort.
02:30:38.000You're just gonna get this, I coulda, shoulda, woulda been, Discomfort, which is maybe worse.