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00:03:04.000I had a friend get her credit card stolen recently, and they bought a bunch of stuff, electronics from Best Buy, and then made a charitable donation.
00:03:17.000They felt bad and made a charitable donation.
00:03:21.000It's like feed the children or something.
00:04:13.000I didn't know about them being prompted by...
00:04:16.000I didn't know that that activity being inspired by particular rules as much as just like a breakdown of, you know, I don't know, like a breakdown of desire, like for a while, like a desire to engage with certain kinds of lawbreaking.
00:04:34.000Well, there was that, and then there was also, I think, after the George, during the George Floyd protest, organized retail crime has driven $400 million in extra profit loss this year at Target.
00:05:48.000There's not a lot of, like, super rational, really, like, well-educated, super successful in business people that wind up becoming governors and mayors, which is probably what you would need to be.
00:06:01.000You need to be someone who's, like, really good at organizing business.
00:06:03.000And there was a guy that was running in New York, and apparently he got really close.
00:06:07.000He was ahead in the race for a while, but then he wound up losing to some woman who's the new mayor of Los Angeles.
00:06:14.000I just heard a guy saying that that's the politicians that are going to win now.
00:06:18.000He was a strategist, a Republican strategist, and he was saying that his prediction was it was going to be like the technocrats.
00:06:27.000I don't know where he's getting this from, but it made me feel optimistic that people are getting more interested in his view of the midterms is that voters are getting interested in pragmatic problem-solving again.
00:06:45.000Well, once ideology comes crashing back on you and falls apart and your business collapses, that's what you're seeing with a lot of people.
00:06:53.000It's just the reality facing them where their ideology is not sustainable.
00:06:59.000And then they're like, Jesus Christ, I've lost everything here.
00:07:02.000We've got to get somebody who's some fucking hard-nosed business person.
00:07:05.000It's going to get everything running correctly.
00:07:07.000I had an interesting thing happen to me right here in Austin the other day speaking to law enforcement.
00:07:29.000We're walking down there, and we're going down the sidewalk, and I become aware of all this honking and yelling and shit at an intersection.
00:07:37.000And as I'm walking up to a car, and there's a woman honking and yelling, and she's pointing into the car.
00:07:46.000And I go and realize this guy, I thought he had a heart attack, just keeled over the steering wheel in the intersection.
00:07:55.000So he had his back window down, like halfway down for whatever reason.
00:08:01.000And I'm in there, and I got him by the shoulder, and I'm trying to...
00:08:26.000And like, takes stock of the situation and just goes off through the green light.
00:08:32.000So now I feel like I'm like, not complicit, but I feel like it's like become my responsibility that he's gonna, I don't know, he's gonna die, kill somebody.
00:08:41.000I call 911. My wife had already called 911. She got sick of waiting on hold and gave me the phone.
00:08:46.000She went in to try to find, she had left my daughter's swimsuit somewhere.
00:08:50.000She went to try to find my daughter's swimsuit.
00:10:29.000I'm in the middle of this book called The Kill Chain.
00:10:31.000It's all about how China has a technological superiority over America because our systems don't communicate with each other and we don't have machine learning with all our military systems and how far behind they are in terms of what's available and what they have available in terms of like Artificial.
00:10:53.000They're comparing right now, like, computers now that can beat people in the game Go, which I don't really understand, but apparently it's very sophisticated.
00:11:01.000And also Starcraft 2, which is a very complicated game, and now computers are just wiping out the best players in the world and not making any mistakes.
00:11:10.000And how that kind of computer learning is being applied in China, but it's not being applied in America.
00:11:17.000And that all of our systems are kind of antiquated in that we update hardware first and then software.
00:12:42.000It's a book about this kid in the 1700s that came out with the Hudson Bay Company up into the vicinity of Calgary and then was assigned out to the Blackfeet.
00:14:47.000Yeah, so it's like once it all happens, I like to look at it.
00:14:51.000The elections are fascinating to me because I don't particularly have an opinion about election fraud, but I do have an opinion on fraud, and it always exists.
00:15:01.000There's always been people that are full of shit that are manipulating things and saying that they're not.
00:15:05.000We're finding this out now with Twitter now that Elon Musk purchased Twitter and he's finding that, you know, they literally had FBI people embedded in Twitter that were holding back information from him.
00:15:17.000Like there was a guy that he fired that was an FBI guy that worked for the FBI at one point in time and now was one of the head guys at Twitter.
00:15:27.000And was withholding information from him while he was trying to release information about allegedly – I should say allegedly so I don't get in trouble here with this – but what he was saying essentially is this person was a bottleneck.
00:15:44.000They were trying to find out, like, why did President Trump get banned?
00:15:48.000You know, what was going on in terms of shadow banning conservative people and how much coordination was going on inside the company to try to suppress certain ideologies and magnify other ones.
00:16:03.000I'm curious how much of that stuff's in there, how hard it is to find, and how much people were just being more discreet with text messages and phone calls.
00:17:06.000Because you would listen to it and you would believe it's true.
00:17:09.000Well, it's too bad that FTX collapsed, because he was going to use his money to battle AI. He wanted to, you know, like his whole deal, the, what's it called, effective altruism?
00:17:17.000Part of his crusade, when he got to dishing out the, you know, he was going to get around to dishing out the billions of dollars to charity, and he was going to battle pandemics and AI. Interesting.
00:22:26.000Let me take a break from the advice I'm trying to give you to tell the story I heard the other day on NPR. I was arguing with Giannis one day about...
00:22:37.000We're talking about something, and he was trying to argue that, like, of bias, there's like the least amount of bias here, there, wherever, right?
00:22:45.000And he had cited NPR as being, he felt, lower on bias than many others.
00:22:49.000But the other day I heard a story where they're talking about climate change activists destroying famous works of art.
00:23:00.000And they sort of gave a soft condemnation of the practice, but then said, it just goes to show how artwork remains relevant and part of the dialogue.
00:27:42.000Well, I mean in the history of the thing.
00:27:44.000There's some part of it where it was like a, like I said, I shouldn't, because there's literally millions of people that know this history better than me, so I'm going to back out on saying what I'm going to say because I'm probably fucked up about it.
00:27:56.000I think all he was trying to do is make like a MySpace type deal.
00:28:00.000You know, make some sort of innocuous social media thing.
00:28:06.000And no one knew that social media would ever become what it is now.
00:28:10.000So now you got this guy that's in charge of this company that literally affects the way world politics works.
00:28:18.000They can overthrow governments with propaganda using his platform.
00:28:24.000And in some countries when you buy a phone, that's like the thing that comes preloaded on your phone.
00:28:29.000And like they think of internet as Facebook.
00:28:32.000Like that's what they use for messaging.
00:29:47.000Like if there's comedians in here and we're talking shit, we say crazy shit just for fun.
00:29:52.000Like there's this podcast I do called Protect Our Parks.
00:29:55.000And it's a joke name because Ari, one of the guys that I do it with, Ari Shafir, there was a park in New York City that they were going to level.
00:30:19.000Obviously, they did level it, so the name of the podcast became Protect Our Parks, just for fun.
00:30:25.000But that is the most ridiculous podcast ever.
00:30:28.000Just four of us, we're always high and drunk, and we're talking crazy shit and just talking over each other, and it's just really rowdy and nuts, but there's no responsibility.
00:31:02.000But people will – this is a weird time where people will pretend that talking shit is not a thing, that everything you say cannot be in jest at all.
00:31:10.000And if you take it and put it in a quote in an article, like joking around opinions could be completely misconstrued.
00:31:19.000What's your take on, I just read a piece the other day in the journal, it was about an executive at Apple, an Apple executive who's a car enthusiast.
00:31:33.000So there's a TikToker whose shtick is that he'll catch people in luxury cars, I gather, noteworthy cars, and his thing is like, hey, what do you do for a living?
00:32:54.000I was trying to explain it to her in the aftermath of my 911 incident here in Austin, so I didn't get her full take on it.
00:33:02.000Apple exec was fired after being caught on video joking about fondling big-breasted women, said he stayed up all night trying to get the TikTok down before it went viral.
00:33:11.000Imagine being that TikTok dude and having that dude getting a hold of you to say, take it down.
00:35:18.000Yeah, the tonality of the thing I read was, I don't know, man, I read between the lines a little bit of eye roll, but it wasn't condemnation.
00:35:34.000I mean, because like I said, it pointed out like his wife, you know, I don't know why it changes so much for me that his wife was there, but it changes a lot for me.
00:35:40.000It does, because if he was just some playboy, some guy who's just working at Apple, making millions and being, you know, being a jerk.
00:36:47.000You might remember that you recently had Bill Maher on your show, and I listened to that with great interest, and he was talking about, you know, he's historically regarded as a very noteworthy liberal,
00:37:03.000but he was expressing that the left gives him so much good material.
00:37:10.000And his kind of crusade against present culture and certain things around free speech and all that.
00:37:19.000And that conversation, this one we're having right now, got me to thinking that you almost can fall into the same trap.
00:37:27.000And I don't even know how it's different.
00:38:14.000I have definitely, not in a negative way, I don't think, I have definitely taken note of shit that I grew up saying in the atmosphere I grew up,
00:39:35.000But the thing is, the problem with that kind of stuff is it continues to go in the same direction where more and more things become forbidden and toxic to the point where, you know, the Elon Musk joking around about my pronouns are prosecute Fauci.
00:39:52.000Jimmy Kimmel made a tweet back to him.
00:39:55.000He said, your pronouns are ass and hole.
00:41:13.000Famously, there's some videos of him in blackface and those came out and he had to apologize for them and I think he took that hit and really doubled down in the other direction.
00:41:33.000Which is, you know, Elon is thought of as being, because he's willing to put people on with uncomfortable opinions and he's like releasing people that were banned from Twitter.
00:42:11.000I think the way to counter someone's inappropriate, even someone like Kanye West that says ridiculous shit, anti-Semitic things, the way to counter that is to counter that with more thoughtful opinions on what he's saying and point out that what he's saying is inaccurate in many ways,
00:43:03.000Especially when you're a guy like that, you really don't exactly know what the fuck you're saying, why you're saying it, and you're sort of justifying it while you're saying it, and you're working stuff out in real time.
00:43:14.000And sometimes you go down roads that are just not fruitful.
00:43:17.000That's like me yelling at my kids, man.
00:44:59.000He's making a character, and what he means from that character is, you know, he's trying to paint a film, trying to paint a picture inside of a film.
00:45:09.000Yeah, it's like that old Joe Rogan joke.
00:47:34.000That documentary starts out talking about Like, L.A., the layout of L.A. and the different neighborhoods and where the sports stadium is located.
00:47:50.000And you're like, how in the world are these people going to bring this home?
00:49:59.000So is the way to do it to diminish their power greatly and diminish public perception of the police and public opinion of the police to where it is now or where it was during the George Floyd riots, at least.
00:50:17.000The way is through training and education and maybe even elevating the position of being a police officer to make it more difficult to achieve and make it pay better and make them much more highly trained and, you know, treated almost like the way you would treat,
00:50:33.000like, special ops groups in the military, you know, where it's an honor to be a part of that group and it's a very difficult Power to attain.
00:50:41.000Because to be a police officer in some places in the country, it's pretty fucking easy.
00:51:49.000I think that as I've looked at what's happened to public perception of police officers over the last few years, it reminds me of a similar thing I feel about the polarity in America.
00:52:06.000Where you have your experience, you have your lived experience, okay?
00:52:10.000And then you have the experience that you understand to be true from the news.
00:52:15.000So, from the news, you understand that we're in this period of tremendous divisiveness, and America's splitting apart at the seams.
00:52:28.000No one wants to engage anymore in a civil function.
00:52:33.000We're perched on the edge of violence, okay?
00:52:37.000But then you analyze what is going on in your life as you go about your life, like having a job, raising kids, engaging with the public school professionals where your kids go, traveling around the country, riding with Uber drivers,
00:54:18.000And also, you're dealing with the problems that are occurring to millions and millions of people, in fact, billions all over the world, and the only thing that you read about is things that are bad.
00:55:00.000So when you have an understanding of what's happening in the world in terms of people and their interactions with police officers, it's very biased by the information that you've been subjected to.
00:55:13.000And that information is almost entirely negative.
00:55:16.000Because you're only dealing with the stuff that you see that's horrible, unless you've had personal experiences.
00:55:23.000And then your personal experiences vary greatly depending upon the color of your skin, your economic situation, what part of the world you're living in.
00:55:31.000I have friends that are black and they talk about getting pulled over and they said they are terrified.
00:55:36.000They feel like they could get shot at any moment, where I have never experienced that.
00:55:40.000I'm always very respectful to the cops.
00:55:43.000I don't think they think, well, obviously a lot of them know who I am, so that's not a problem too.
00:55:47.000But it's very different for, and to try to get like a balanced, nuanced perspective.
00:59:01.000Another time, so another time, my wife thinks I tell this story way too much for the relevance of it, but I got a drunken disorderly conduct.
00:59:12.000I got beat up by the cops a little bit, but I had it coming.
00:59:16.000My buddy Fitz likes to point out that 45 minutes before this happened, I had said in about 45 minutes I'm going to be out of control.
00:59:25.000I'm supposed to be leaving for graduate school, scared shitless.
00:59:28.000You know, my dad realizes that, I don't know, it's like through like his church, through the church he went to, he somehow finds someone that knows someone, right?
00:59:39.000I walk out of there getting a refund on my bail.
00:59:43.000Like my bail was $250, I got a $225 refund and he asked me if I could afford the $25, walked out the door.
00:59:50.000Because he found people that knew people.
00:59:52.000So you could grow up like with that shit.
01:00:03.000And I could have been not had that, a father with that level of ambition who didn't go to that church and might have been like, I didn't go to graduate school.
01:02:01.000That claim is reminding me of the story, but I didn't remember that that was the details, that it was just about whether or not she had the authority to smoke or not.
01:02:10.000Yeah, I mean, how do you not have the authority to smoke in your car?
01:02:14.000I mean, if a cop pulls you over, it's one thing if he's arresting you, and you've done something horrible, you've got coke and guns in your car, and you're a fucking psychopath, but you're just speeding, and he's on some power trip, and he tells you you have to put your cigarette out.
01:02:29.000You don't want to, so he drags you out of your fucking car and puts you in a cage, and then somehow or another she winds up dead, and they said she committed suicide, but it's very suspicious.
01:02:39.000The whole thing is just like, and it's...
01:02:57.000And that kind of video, those kind of videos, and there's many of them, That's what really accentuates this distrust that so many people, particularly people of color, you know, people, ethnicities, minors,
01:03:14.000minorities, rather, have this issue with police.
01:04:06.000Oh, after that whole thing happened and I was so stupid and really did something really stupid, my tonality in dealing with getting pulled over for traffic violations is to be like, man,
01:06:30.000Because, you know, you build your view of the world based on what you experience, what you take in, you know, in terms of media and writing, and then your physical experiences, which are more profound.
01:06:42.000And imagine if your physical experiences include a lot of suicide.
01:06:56.000I want to conceal his identity a little bit, though I'm not going to say anything that would peg him, but he grew up in a town of 9,000 people.
01:07:05.000So he spent his whole life there and became a cop late, right?
01:07:07.000He had another career and became a cop and must have been in his early 40s when he became a cop.
01:09:02.000Yeah, and if you're a guy like you or me, just goes to the office, says hi to your friends, people you work with, goes home to your kids, your wife, unless you zig when you should have zagged and you run into one of those people, you really don't know.
01:09:14.000No, you go down to the Thanksgiving potluck at your kid's school and you're like, man, this community's full of people who are just really dedicated to their children.
01:09:25.000Yeah, it's funny, but it's also fucked.
01:10:23.000And then they get her back with an arms dealer, trade an arms dealer, and you wonder about whether that's an asymmetrical, somehow an asymmetrical trade.
01:12:06.000Meanwhile in Russia, top state propagandists reveal the narrative they'll be pushing to harm Biden and enrage Americans.
01:12:12.000About the exchange of Brittany Griner for Victor Bout by falsely claiming that it wasn't Rush's decision to oppose Whelan's release as opposed to Griner.
01:14:47.000And well known for the sake of PR. American voters are choosing the obvious.
01:14:55.000I think for us, it's one more piece of good news.
01:14:59.000The first good news is that a bout has returned.
01:15:01.000The second good news is that a nation That spits on its heroes to the extent that it considers it significantly more important to free a rightly charged, well-known athlete.
01:15:16.000She didn't suffer because she served her motherland, but because she couldn't live for 10 hours without her hashish.
01:15:24.000Instead of freeing that person in prison for two years, For serving his motherland.
01:15:29.000This says a lot about the state of this society.
01:15:32.000So this is just like, basically, Fox News in Russia.
01:15:35.000You know, it's obviously a very propaganda-driven show.
01:15:43.000You can't have a show that shits all over the government in Russia.
01:15:47.000You could never have, like, when MSNBC was mocking, openly mocking Trump, and, you know, CNN was constantly talking about Trump, and it was jacking up their ratings.
01:15:57.000That's, like, not even possible in Russia.
01:16:13.000You will eventually get to a point where it's only state-sanctioned information that's allowed to be distributed if you allow censorship.
01:16:20.000Because they've already shown that the government is deeply embedded in social media.
01:16:24.000And this is one of the things that's most disturbing about these revelations about...
01:16:28.000Whether it's the FBI or whatever intelligence agencies were behind censoring certain people off of Twitter and removing certain people off of Twitter and removing certain narratives and certain stories like the Hunter Biden laptop story.
01:16:41.000If you support that because it fits with your ideology, ultimately you support government control over a narrative.
01:16:48.000And it's going to go the other way if a Republican gets in office.
01:16:52.000Then you're going to deal with a similar problem.
01:16:55.000Imagine if instead of Hunter Biden's laptop, it was Donald Trump Jr.'s laptop.
01:17:01.000And Donald Trump Jr.'s laptop, he's getting foot jobs by prostitutes and smoking street crack in Vietnam.
01:17:09.000Do you think they would have censored that off of Twitter?
01:17:25.000You don't get a chance to sort out what's real and what's not.
01:17:28.000The government gets to decide for you.
01:17:30.000And if you ultimately believe in censorship, And you ultimately believe in censoring the people that have opinions that disagree with your own.
01:17:46.000If you get to that point where the government controls the narrative completely and they get to dictate what gets distributed on social media, we're all fucked.
01:17:54.000The people that agree with the narrative, the people that disagree with the narrative, truth dies.
01:18:00.000It'll be interesting what gets released, if there's any additional information about the collusion to go after people who...
01:18:14.000Didn't get on with COVID orthodoxy, where the administration is actually flagging individuals who'd be shut down, and then they're pointing out where else to find them, or they've moved to this other platform.
01:18:27.000Can we get them off this other platform as well?
01:18:29.000They were on Facebook, now they're on Instagram.
01:19:26.000And then we wound up getting flagged in one of those distribution channels for the truth about COVID. Oh my God, COVID misinformation.
01:19:38.000Yeah, it was like plugging it on, putting it all on Doug Dern.
01:19:42.000Well, what's fucked about COVID misinformation is a lot of the stuff that they were calling misinformation that would get you removed from social media now is just openly discussed as fact.
01:19:53.000That's why that kind of censorship is dangerous, because you don't get to find out what's right and what's wrong if you don't let everybody talk, including experts with problematic opinions.
01:20:01.000No, I think it'll be, in time, it'll prove to be a great case study, because it happened so fast It affected all aspects of communication, all aspects of society, from local government to federal government,
01:20:28.000So, rather than some gradual shift over time, you'll be able to step back, and it won't be long, like in five or six years.
01:20:40.000You'd be able to step back and really go like, okay, here's what happened.
01:20:45.000And you'd be able to look at how ideas, brand new ideas, emerged, were squashed, punished, people were punished for having ideas, ideas came back out.
01:20:57.000It'll be a really interesting little segment.
01:21:00.000To look at when it comes like the flow of information, how the flow of information is controlled, how narratives are reinforced, how people that pushed other ones were, you know, decried or delegitimized and then like very quickly later celebrated or pointed out.
01:22:21.000Whenever they do these studies with animals...
01:22:25.000They wind up killing the animals to find out what kind of an effect these things had on the animals by doing autopsies on them.
01:22:31.000And people are finding out that they did that to monkeys and that they opened monkeys' heads up and put these fucking Neuralink things in there.
01:22:41.000Which is a very interesting moral dilemma.
01:22:45.000If you can fix all these diseases, if you can cure paralysis, if you can greatly expand the ability of the human mind through technology, but you have to kill a bunch of monkeys to do it, are we okay with that?
01:23:00.000I don't think that'll become a widespread thing because you can't look at any of our major medical breakthroughs that didn't have some level of animal research.
01:23:14.000I think on stuff that might strike people as relatively, you know, what might strike people as relatively frivolous, you know, testing comfort levels of shampoos and shit, right?
01:23:28.000You can see people being like, that doesn't seem to me something that really warrants the use of animal experimentation.
01:23:36.000But I don't think that the preponderance or like mainstream Americans are going to turn against Medical research that involves animal experimentation, once they understand how much of what they enjoy has been informed,
01:23:56.000influenced, discovered because of that.
01:23:59.000I think you make some noise about it, but I have a hard time seeing that becoming an actual problem.
01:24:05.000Yeah, I think it's going to be, it's a point of outrage for some people, particularly animal rights people, but that is the nature of a lot of those experiments.
01:24:16.000What do you think about that kind of shit, like neural implants?
01:29:33.000So the wild goat was breeding with this female wild goat and right next to him, like 20 feet away, was another wild goat breeding with another female goat.
01:29:45.000And this guy dismounts, runs over, and knocks that goat over.
01:29:50.000Just charges in the middle of sex and just blasts this other goat and knocks him down.
01:30:27.000And, you know, for many people, you get a little taste of it from documentaries, maybe a little internet clip here or there, or, you know, you see animals at the zoo.
01:30:36.000You have very little exposure to what it's like to be around them in real life.
01:30:44.000I fished when I was younger, but I didn't spend a lot of time in the wild, near wild animals.
01:30:51.000And I remember when you and I went on that first trip to Montana, the moment where...
01:31:00.000Shot that buck was the first animal I've ever killed and That moment where like I locked eyes on it and we're in the wild and you see this thing and it was a totally Unusual experience.
01:31:13.000I remember thinking like this is almost like Bizarrely almost like psychedelic Because the world this world is so different Than any other aspect of the world the world where you're you're sneaking up on an animal You're trying to be undetected it spots you you look at them,
01:32:11.000When you catch a fish and everything just gets excited.
01:32:16.000That is a feeling that's like deeply embedded in the human reward system.
01:32:21.000There's something that tells you this is a great thing because now you are going to catch a fish and that fish is going to feed your family.
01:37:14.000But it's just strange how nature works, how it coincides with the seasons so that the, you know, the calves will be born in the spring and it's so weird.
01:38:27.000Where you have, you know, you kind of like wipe the slate clean, right?
01:38:31.000And you bring in, because he's trying to explain how does North America have its bestiary?
01:38:36.000And he just finds that as a good place to enter the narrative about how we have the animals we have, where we got the American bestiary from.
01:38:46.000And it covers up until like yesterday.
01:38:49.000It covers up to the current battle over wolf reintroduction.
01:38:53.000So it's just a story of humans and wildlife in America.
01:39:00.000He spends a lot of time on some things that...
01:39:03.000I interviewed him at a bookstore, and I was kind of busting his balls about some things he does in the book that I didn't like.
01:40:33.000Up to animals that live in social hierarchies, like really fine-tuned social hierarchies, you have to be like, that's high levels of individuality.
01:40:40.000No one's going to look and say that chimps don't have high levels of individuality.
01:40:44.000Because you've got these animals that have these known personal histories.
01:40:52.000So that, like, reading the book, part of me making the joke that I wanted to make a version where I do all the footnote commentary is it's like there's a lot of shit in there that a hunter can't ignore in the book about the role of hunting and extinctions,
01:44:04.000Where you have instances of people mentioning things that you sort of like, look at you like, man, if they weren't talking about jaguar, what the hell are they talking about?
01:44:15.000And a lot of times someone will say, there'll be a reference to a large cat, and you can't rule out, well, maybe in a historic record, they're probably talking about mountain lions.
01:44:23.000But what do you do in a case where you have a historic record and someone is in some oddball place, Southern Colorado, and they're talking about, they have lions and leopards.
01:44:43.000So as people get into talking about jaguar recovery, of which I'm a proponent with an asterisk.
01:44:54.000When people get talking about jaguar recovery, you have to define what that looks like.
01:45:00.000And there are some who would say Jaguar recovery in North America as a collaborative effort between us, Mexico, Belize, whoever else has rolled into this Jaguar recovery plan.
01:45:10.000Jaguar recovery in North America would mean...
01:45:42.000Other people would argue that Arizona was absolutely core habitat, and if we're going to restore jaguars in core habitat, we're going to be restoring jaguars in some portion of the lower 48. Meaning, eventually, and recovery would look a couple ways.
01:46:00.000One is like protections, and you would watch how jaguars are able to flow back and forth across the border.
01:46:08.000A big question around jaguar recovery is the border wall.
01:46:12.000How much would a border wall impact large mammal movements?
01:46:18.000If we don't allow recovery in that way, or we make recovery in that way difficult, do we truck jaguars up and turn them loose in Arizona, New Mexico, West Texas?
01:51:52.000Now, a little bit, so this takes place in Michigan in 1998. Now, the biggest white-tailed deer, the biggest typical white-tailed deer in the world is this deer called the Hansen buck, or Milo Hansen killed the biggest white-tailed,
01:52:07.000typical white-tailed deer in the world, okay?
01:52:09.000I think the Hansen buck was, the Milo Hansen buck was killed in the 80s, if I'm not mistaken.
01:52:23.000When you look at these pictures, notice, when you look at the Milo Hanson buck, you want to notice a couple things about it.
01:52:31.000When you look at all these giant bucks, you'll want to notice how the burrs are positioned on top of his head, like how much space is between those burrs.
01:52:38.000And you'll want to notice, like, on these giant, giant bucks, the presence of little extra points and little points here and there and shit.
01:52:46.000So anyways, this guy, Milo Hanson, kills this, in Canada, he kills this world record typical whitetail.
01:52:52.000We just had in our podcast the guy, the huff buck, where a guy in Indiana just killed the biggest typical whitetail in the U.S., But he didn't beat the Hanson Buck.
01:53:15.000I'll talk about the Huff Buck too as I tell you about this controversy around the Huff Buck that is not there anymore but controversy that emerged.
01:53:23.000So he's this guy, Mitch Rampala is this Michigan bowhunter.
01:53:27.000And weirdly, my old man knew Mitch Rampala.
01:53:32.000And he would measure bucks for this place called Commemorative Bucks of Michigan.
01:53:36.000And Mitch Ron Powell was involved in Commemorative Bucks of Michigan.
01:53:39.000But one day, he, I think it was mid-November, Mitch Ron Powell in Traverse City, Michigan, kills a buck that's going to beat, that clearly smokes the Hanson buck in size.
01:53:55.000Anytime something like that happens, there's like a lot of questions about, is it legit?
01:55:37.000Took a fabricated buck rack on a skull plate and attached it.
01:55:42.000However, a tribal game warden sees it at his house, doesn't see anything fishy about it, and some guys come to officially measure the buck, just like in the picture you saw.
01:55:53.000They officially measure the buck, but they never examine the skull plate.
01:55:56.000All those people say, these eyewitnesses, like, I didn't see anything wrong with that buck.
01:56:02.000But he won't put the buck, he won't enter the buck into the record books.
01:56:09.000Sighting Like, a disagreement with the record books over some stuff.
01:56:13.000And he's like, and a lot of people kill deer and don't enter them in the record books.
01:56:16.000People are also looking, they're like, a big buck like that's never come out, there's no big bucks in Traverse City.
01:56:21.000Like, how's this guy kill this big buck where there's no big bucks?
01:56:23.000And people are like, yeah, but these giant bucks are freaks.
01:56:26.000Like, you don't kill multiple 200-inch whitetails in one spot.
01:56:29.000But you'd be like, well, you kill a bunch of 170s and 180s and 190s.
01:58:39.000He then establishes a website, and in the following years, weirdly, posts, like the picture he just pulled up, posts a bunch more bucks that have the same look.
01:58:56.000But he then, over the course of years, keeps shooting these crazy looking bucks, which no one else in Traverse City is killing.
01:59:06.000But he says, but that's not why I hunt.
01:59:07.000And people are like, if that's not why you hunt, why do you still have the website with all these crazy bucks that look like homemade bucks?
02:01:29.000Or I think one of our guys that I work with real close, Spencer, I think Spencer, maybe Spencer came in and made a guess at 80 because he reports on that kind of stuff.
02:01:37.000So that's not the generational wealth thing, but like the biggest.
02:01:41.000The biggest is a thing that, like, your kids, if that record stands, like, your kids will enjoy the benefits of that deer.
02:01:49.00095, it says that handsome buck was worth up to a million dollars.
02:02:22.000Because for people that don't grow up around it and don't understand it, I follow a lot of people on YouTube that have bucks and they're all named.
02:02:57.000These folks will set up food plots where they'll grow alfalfa and apple trees and all these different things that they feel, and specifically just to attract bucks.
02:04:40.000This guy was talking about how it was the most frustrating season ever because he went like 40 days in the stand and never even drew his bow back.
02:04:48.000Never even saw a deer that he could shoot, but he was talking about like this is what he loves about whitetail hunting, is that if on the 39th day A whopper could walk right through a 200 inch buck and he would shoot it, but that this is an obsession with that part of the world that is Largely unknown like I remember one time when I was on the road I was I think I was in Nashville or it might have been Atlanta and I went and did this local radio station They were talking about NASCAR and they were talking about this guy and that guy
02:05:19.000And I'm like this is a world that I've never even heard of like you guys are excited about a guy races a car in a circle for real and But they knew everybody.
02:05:52.000Whitetail have always been, like, they are the most hunted, in terms of man hours, not the most harvested thing, but in terms of man hours, they are the most hunted animal in America.
02:06:03.000You can hunt whitetails in most states.
02:06:04.000There's only a few exceptions where you can't hunt whitetails.
02:06:08.000They have a relatively small home range, so you can kind of have one stay close and nearby.
02:06:34.000You know, housing developments, golf courses, none of this shit really seems to phase them like it does a lot of other highly sensitive wildlife.
02:06:40.000So you can just live and be in deer country, and most people live in deer country.
02:06:45.000And for most people, it's the biggest thing around.
02:06:51.000And you can Have, like, this very long-term immersive experience with them.
02:06:57.000You know, Clay Newcomb, he recently did a Bear Grease podcast about a buck he was obsessed with for many years.
02:07:04.000And then he got killed by some guy on a neighboring property who just got, like, shit lucky.
02:07:10.000And Clay is like mourning about this and eventually brings this guy the shed antlers.
02:07:17.000He had over multiple years found the matching sets of shed antlers from this deer and the pictures and eventually gets over his mourning and does a podcast episode about it.
02:07:51.000I can't remember when the guy killed at seven years old or something like that, but Clay had early on.
02:07:56.000I might get some of the details wrong, but Clay had early on flagged it as this unusual, like this buck with this unusual antler configuration, and he watched it get bigger, and then had a bad year and got smaller, and Clay thought, well, if they live long,
02:08:20.000But then comes out of it and throws a bigger rack.
02:08:23.000And just when you're questioning whether Clay's actually looking at the proper buck, the buck's got leg injuries, which makes it like a one-in-a-million leg injury array, front and rear.
02:09:13.000And they'd be able to watch the hunter on a tracking device and they could watch the turkey on a tracking device.
02:09:18.000They'd just watch all these turkeys just juke people.
02:09:20.000And they'd even put good turkey hunters on them and good turkey hunters couldn't kill them.
02:09:25.000One day a guy gets in a fight with his wife Storms out of the house, drives down the road, gets to the game management area sign, pulls over to the side of the road, walks off in the woods, sits against the tree to cool off, and kills that turkey.
02:09:56.000You can be like, at any point in time, like...
02:09:58.000At any point in time, you could sort of like walk out your door and like kind of sweep your hand and be like, he's there somewhere right now.
02:10:05.000Do you have a conflicted view of what I would call almost like, it's almost like free-range deer farming.
02:10:13.000Because if you're providing them with all this food, and then you're keeping an eye on them with trail cams that send you digital images through cell phone signals, and you're tracking their location, and you make it so that you lure them in there.
02:10:30.000I mean, obviously, it requires a lot of resources.
02:10:42.000Because it's definitely different than if you go into the mountains and you stumble upon a giant mule deer and you track him and you hunt him and you kill him.
02:10:52.000That is a deer that you might have seen the day before or something like that.
02:10:56.000But this is not an animal that you have a relationship with.
02:10:58.000And you certainly didn't lure him into that area with a food plot and apples and shit.
02:11:13.000If you measure human knowledge, and let's say we're going to measure it in bits, and we're going to measure human output in calories or whatever, the bits of information required to successfully do that on a piece of land,
02:11:31.000and the calories required to successfully do that on a piece of land are enormous and far outweigh The bits of information and calories expelled to get a deer in many other kinds of circumstances.
02:13:51.000It's like, this is a hurdle you wind up talking about.
02:13:54.000This is a hurdle you encounter when you're talking about mule deer, because people will always be able to say, well, there's mule deer laying in my yard.
02:14:07.000As an area gets colonized by humans, as areas become colonized by humans, those areas become better for whitetails, and you'll see more whitetails.
02:15:32.000You can go to certain areas and you might be the first person.
02:15:35.000You can look at mule deer now and then and be like, you know, considering that he's only three, four, five, six years old, I might be the only person who's ever laid eyes on that thing.
02:16:55.000Yeah, they're like, you know, I would look there, I would look there, I would look there, I would not bother looking there, which was hugely beneficial to my experience.
02:17:04.000Well, I wound up getting one that they didn't know about.
02:17:07.000I got one that they hadn't found out about, but it helped me be very, like, it helped me rule out.
02:17:15.000If I had just done it off maps, I probably would have spent time in some places that they were like, I wouldn't look there.
02:19:48.000I kind of dog on the people that keep track of the bighorn scores, because the biggest bighorn ever was just found dead in a place called Wild Horse Island.
02:19:56.000It's like, it's not even, it's an island in Flathead Lake in Montana.
02:20:03.000The history of the island was, it was going to be like this utopia of Where this guy was going to have like a lead economist, a lead sociologist and shit, we're going to live on this island and solve all the world's problems.
02:20:15.000Somehow over time became that there's like this little population of bighorns out there that you can't hunt, but they're wild.
02:20:31.000They're not like historically even from the, you know what I mean?
02:20:34.000So anyways, when you get into record shit, like the biggest shit surprisingly is always shit found dead or got hit by a car.
02:20:40.000Like hunters don't get the biggest stuff.
02:20:42.000There might be some case to, there might be some case I'm not thinking of where, but like the biggest whitetail isn't the biggest whitetail hunted.
02:22:00.000And for whatever reason, no one I know that likes the hunt takes this, no one I personally hang out with takes any of this seriously, but they view that a typical should be really symmetrical.
02:22:12.000But it has to be super atypical to be counted as a non-typical.
02:22:18.000So if you have a buck, let's say you have a buck that has five points on one side and six points on the other side, and you measure up all the inches of antler, they'll actually deduct the difference off the score because it's not symmetrical.
02:22:33.000So the thing will grow antler that they don't actually count.
02:22:37.000But if it's so freakishly different, if it hits a threshold of asymmetry, Then its asymmetry counts in its favor.
02:22:46.000So it can actually happen that you could feasibly kill a buck and break and take a pair of pliers or a hammer and knock a point off its horns and it actually becomes a higher scoring deer.
02:24:08.000He saved up all his money when he was working at Matthews and he got a piece of land and he started developing it for archery hunting and documented the whole thing and obsessed with it.
02:24:19.000I mean, you can't talk to him during that time of the year.
02:24:48.000People dog on naming them, but you go spend a day hunting where you're watching a couple bucks, and you're going to start referring to them in some way that you can be like, there's that one buck over there, and then that other buck over there.
02:25:04.000Eventually you're like, you know, the three by five.
02:26:50.000And I don't have to worry about, if someone thinks that it breeds some level of disrespect, if I disrespect mule deer, I don't know what respecting them looks like.
02:28:58.000I'm not doing a terrible disservice to how he put it, but it was basically that it knocked it down in his mind that you could get so good at it without having what he regarded as the fundamentals.
02:29:10.000An overall comprehensive knowledge of the rules.
02:29:13.000And it's like you could kind of get it.
02:29:15.000You could get that and not get the things that he always grew up thinking you needed to have that.
02:30:51.000I'm just bumping more deer trying to get in for the morning hunts than what it's worth because the evening feed is the majority of the movement.
02:31:00.000So I'm coming in here 11, 12 o'clock in the morning when everything's not out in the open.
02:31:08.000These are blinds that we built this year through an exercise, a brand new field.
02:31:13.000But what's unbelievable about these next couple hunts for me is these are critical hunts because a family member of mine waited five years, drew a tag, came in.
02:31:45.000He's been sick about it and then here we are only a few days before gun season and I just got a picture of this buck with the injury clearly visible.
02:32:24.000And this fucking buck was still out there rutting.
02:32:26.000This year I found a buddy of mine that hit a buck that he couldn't find and was worried sick about it, and I found that buck playing grab ass with some does.
02:34:11.000When he had it cut out, they say it was the first Western-style surgery in the American West, I think, is when Jim Bridger had the broadhead cut out of his shoulder.
02:34:33.000He said the bear was so close to him that it was one of those things where if he didn't shoot it, it was going to find him and it was within this range of like 15 feet where he was worried that it could possibly rush him.
02:34:46.000And so he was at full draw and he found the shot and he had confidence in his equipment and he's an amazing archer.
02:34:52.000So he just center punched it right through the head.
02:35:14.000I'd hit a different one, and that one run off squealing, and that boar came in so hot, hearing all that squealing going on, and almost got to me, and then stopped right there.
02:35:25.000And yeah, I would never advise someone doing that, but at that distance, it just doesn't.
02:35:41.000I used to think it was a no-no, but...
02:35:47.000I used to think it was a no-no, but in a lot of conversations and talking to Phelps and other guys, I think that under the right circumstances...
02:36:09.000Under the right circumstance, it's just unbelievably deadly.
02:36:12.000And there's plenty of shots that under the right circumstances are deadly, but I used to think it was just categorically a no-no.
02:36:21.000But I've had my mind changed by a lot of conversations with a lot of people, and I've seen it twice now, where it's just done properly is just deadlier than a heart shot.
02:36:37.000Yeah, there's a lot of stuff there, right?
02:36:39.000You got to get it like right where the beard touches.
02:36:42.000It's like as long as you don't hit the top of the ribcage.
02:37:32.000Well, you know, everyone always talks about buck fever and you talk about, you know, the moment.
02:37:39.000The way I just try to describe to people how crazy bow hunting is, is you might, and most things where you get good at them, you can practice them.
02:37:50.000But you don't really get a lot of practice.
02:37:53.000I think you may be telling me about this one time over the phone.
02:37:55.000You don't get a lot of practice in actually pulling the trigger, actually releasing the arrow.
02:38:01.000Because especially if you're elk hunting once a year, you have like one moment a year.
02:38:06.000So you have all this anxiety built up into this one moment.
02:38:31.000And the way you do that is to have a mantra in your mind.
02:38:36.000And to repeat that mantra so you're in the present moment through the entire SHOT process.
02:38:41.000Joel Turner has a website called Shot IQ and Joel Turner was a SWAT instructor and so he's very aware of high pressure situations where people tend to panic.
02:38:54.000Or people tend to flinch, and this is the best way to avoid doing that, to avoid getting yourself into an open-loop system.
02:39:03.000Now, an open-loop system would be like swinging a baseball bat.
02:39:05.000Like, once you're swinging that bat, that bat is swinging, right?
02:40:12.000And if it doesn't happen a lot, like if you're a guy like Remy Warren that shoots a lot of things with your bow, you don't think about it like that because you do it so...
02:40:24.000Whereas Joel Turner recommends a surprise release.
02:40:27.000And during a surprise release, you're pulling through the shot and the shot breaks.
02:40:31.000And you are aware of the process the entire time, but there will be no flinching because you literally don't know when it's going off, you know, which is ideal.
02:40:39.000And so his whole system, he has a very comprehensive system on his website that's designed to inform your mind and to train your mind to be able to stay controlled during these very high-pressure situations.
02:41:33.000And, like, getting through that, I've gotten through it not by...
02:41:37.000I've gotten through that sense not by overcoming it through any sort of game I've done with myself.
02:41:43.000I've gotten through that sense of just, like, long-term exposure.
02:41:48.000Hunting with my kid now is funny because one of the biggest things I'm trying to explain all the time, and my daughter would be, well, yesterday she turned old enough to hunt, but would be just trying to suppress the excitement.
02:42:19.000I was like lying down on the ground and I had the deer in the sight and I was thinking of squeezing the trigger but I was realizing that I was letting my heart race too much and then it was there was a little too much movement and I remember I had to go hold on And I stopped myself,
02:42:38.000and I just calmed myself down for a second or two and settled down.
02:42:43.000But I recognized that I was in this sort of panic state.
02:42:45.000I was like, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't do that.
02:44:03.000And then you're just laying around the dressing room and you have to stay loose so you're hitting pads a little bit and you're warming up and you're stretching and you're getting ready.
02:44:11.000And then all of a sudden, are you ready?
02:46:09.000It applies to stand-up comedy, like if something happens outside the norm.
02:46:13.000I remember when I was coming up in the early days, one time I was doing really well on stage and I knocked my drink over and I didn't address it.
02:47:01.000You watch someone say something, you know it's not rehearsed, and they respond in a way that you're so jealous of that they would have ever thought to have said that.
02:47:08.000They're like, oh shit, their mind is fast.
02:47:29.000And he was talking about how long it took him to get back into his groove from COVID. You know, because COVID he took like eight months off and then he started getting back into the groove when the show started opening up again.
02:47:41.000And he goes, you know, and Ron is such a fucking character.
02:47:43.000He goes, for a while I was doing a Ron White impression on stage.
02:49:26.000Like all that, just all the emotions, man, like the dread and the, you know, the worried about dicking it up and the, it'll never, I'll never, it's like so much more, it's just like I'm just so much more calm now.
02:49:38.000But you know what I wanted, the thing I wanted to ask you about when you brought up performing, I've always wanted to ask you this.
02:49:43.000Do you get where, do you ever start feeling like way overexposed?
02:49:49.000I don't mean like too much media, but do you ever feel, like when you come off doing shows, Do you want to go crawl into a hole?
02:49:58.000Or do you want to go out with people you don't know?
02:50:01.000Most of the time when I come off stage, I want to go relax somewhere with friends, get something to eat.
02:50:32.000That's what I was trying to do with this Spotify thing, man.
02:50:35.000I was like, because Jamie was panicking because at the beginning of the Spotify thing, our numbers dropped way lower because now we're exclusive to this one platform.
02:50:45.000We used to be on iTunes and YouTube, and then all of a sudden we're just on Spotify.
02:50:50.000And he's like, oh, there's so many less people listening.
02:51:49.000It's like you've got to know when to talk and when not to talk, and also you have a thought that comes across.
02:51:55.000And what people don't realize is one of the difficult things about podcasting is when you have a thought in your head and you're trying to get it out and someone else is talking, it's very difficult to maintain that thought.
02:52:05.000Which is one of the reasons why people talk over each other.
02:53:01.000What's funny is you do something kind of irrational where...
02:53:04.000There's a very small fraction of the people that will experience it.
02:53:08.000This is why I don't record them and release them anymore because there's such a small percentage of the actual listeners that are sitting there in that moment right then, but you are so beholden to them and catering to them because you have to look them in the eye.
02:53:47.000It's also kind of cool for them if you don't release it.
02:53:51.000If you don't release it, it's like this is a moment that's just a shared moment with everybody in that room, and it's very unique, and you leave there going, that was a lot of fun.
02:56:16.000Because I just didn't understand that there was a possibility.
02:56:23.000I just didn't understand how to distribute ideas.
02:56:25.000And I didn't understand that what I want to talk about is the main thing.
02:56:32.000And I don't care on what platform I talk about it.
02:56:37.000I just thought that writing books was it, and it became Amazon, and what's going to happen with the book business, and whatever.
02:56:45.000That it's killing the small bookstore, and books are never going to be the same, and all this kind of stuff always just scared the shit out of me.
02:56:51.000But then eventually I realized that it's never that I needed to write books.
02:56:55.000I just needed to be able to make material.
02:56:58.000And I had a set of ideas that I want to be able to use and create material around, and I don't care if it gets printed in a book.
02:58:18.000We were doing segments for a while, but they would never do as well on YouTube as our other stuff did.
02:58:24.000But I could picture making a separate thing for it, especially when we get into a space where we can just do a better job of it, where it looks better.
03:00:31.000And these are the places that you look at any time one of these magazines comes out, the 10 best towns, 10 best mountain towns, whatever the hell.
03:03:18.000Maybe what I'm going to say, I don't know if it's in the show or just in the novel, but in the novel The Handmaid's Tale, it's this dystopian future where there's like a religious revolution of sorts.
03:03:37.000But in the book, I keep telling people this story when we're talking about COVID because in the book, she's sort of like talking to her dead or gone husband.
03:03:44.000And she's asking, there's one thing I need to know, though, is like, was there some part of you that kind of liked it?
03:03:50.000You know, she's wondering of her husband about when she lost all of her rights and he like controlled the household.
03:03:58.000Did that somehow speak to you in some way?
03:04:00.000Was there a little bit of you that liked that power that you had?
03:04:04.000And looking back on the pandemic, there are certain players...
03:04:11.000That I'm like, some part of them liked it.
03:07:56.000This shit is not what it was in March of 2020 when everybody was shitting their pants and they're shutting the government and shutting the country down.
03:11:03.000Even when dealing with employees or something, what else is analogous that you could make someone go do?
03:11:09.000Well, not only that, but now we're finding that if people got vaccine injured...
03:11:14.000So if you have a mandate in your business and then people got vaccine injured, you can't sue the vaccine manufacturers, but now they're starting to sue the businesses.
03:11:24.000So the businesses that forced them to do the vaccine.
03:11:27.000Oh, I was wondering if that was ever going to happen.
03:11:31.000There's at least one case that I know of.
03:11:35.000The problem is, it's one thing if you're telling people to do something that you have a long history of long-term data.
03:11:44.000You know exactly what the repercussions are.
03:11:47.000But when you're telling people to do something where you don't have long-term data and You have studies from the pharmaceutical that's based on biased data that's interpreted by their scientists, and then they throw out any studies that show negative effects or lack of positive effects.
03:12:02.000They can run 10 studies, and two of them get the required results, what they're looking for, and then the other eight don't.
03:12:38.000And especially if you know people that have been injured by other pharmaceutical medications.
03:12:43.000Like, I know people personally that took stuff that wound up getting pulled from the market years later, and they got fucked up by it, like, badly.
03:13:15.000If it seemed like there was some ray of hope that something was going to fix the problem and let you go back to all the normal shit, I would get a little frustrated early on with people who wouldn't get with the program.
03:14:24.000Before I became like this person that resisted everything, I was lined up for it.
03:14:29.000I went to the UFC to get it, because the UFC had allocated a bunch for all their employees.
03:14:34.000But it was on a Saturday, the day the fights were, and they said, I thought I could get it at the UFC because they have a doctor that works there.
03:14:41.000I'm like, can you give it to me, like, right before the fights?
03:14:43.000And Dana was like, yeah, they'll give you the vaccine right before the fights.
03:15:22.000And then I just started, like, thinking about all the things that I know about pharmaceutical companies and all their deception, whether it's OxyContin isn't addictive or whether it's Vioxx isn't going to cause you to have a stroke or all these different things that I knew.
03:16:19.000It's a wild thing to go through all of it.
03:16:22.000I mean, and all of us have experienced it.
03:16:24.000These last three years are very strange.
03:16:27.000Like one of the strangest upheavals of just the way discourse was handled, the way content was censored, the way you're allowed to talk about things, and even the way things that, you know, were described as misinformation and disinformation that turned out to be absolute fact.
03:16:44.000And then you know that they knew it was absolute fact when they were labeling it disinformation.
03:16:48.000And how in cahoots the pharmaceutical companies were with the government and social media.
03:17:21.000Because, you know, if the people that were in charge of the administration while the suppression was going down, which, you know, initially was Trump...
03:17:28.000Yeah, but that's a span to the administration.
03:17:29.000Yeah, initially was Trump, but then, you know, the vaccine rollout...
03:17:33.000You know, a lot of it happened during the Biden administration and a lot of the censorship happened during the Biden administration.
03:17:39.000And also the collusion between the social media companies and the government happened during the Biden administration.
03:19:06.000And especially for people that are vulnerable.
03:19:08.000That's when the vaccine is very valuable.
03:19:10.000You know, for people that are older, you know, I'm a big advocate for it.
03:19:14.000And people that are of high risk, you know, it might make the difference between you getting really fucking sick or just getting a little sick.
03:19:24.000But, you know, there's also a lot of shit they didn't tell people to do that they knew because there's no benefit to them financially.
03:19:31.000Like, take vitamin D. One of the early things they found out is that people that were in the ICU with COVID, a very large percent of them were deficient in vitamin C, which is crucial to the function D. D. Oh, you said C, sorry.
03:20:13.000And they were never telling, there's no fucking news stories telling, please, supplement with vitamin D. No one's telling you that.
03:20:19.000It was a lot of very frustrating stuff for me, too, because I have these long-form conversations with Nutritionists and epidemiologists and people who really understand about the immune system and weren't beholden to pharmaceutical companies, especially independent people that have podcasts and scientists and people that weren't on board with the mainstream narrative.
03:20:41.000There's a lot of things you could be doing to protect yourself and we should be telling these people to do this.
03:20:56.000Even after I got COVID, which I got over pretty quickly.
03:21:00.000There was people telling me to get vaccinated now.
03:21:02.000And I was like, why would I do that after I got over the disease when natural immunity from recovering from the virus is seven times better protection than the vaccine?
03:21:15.000They're like, well, it's even more protection.
03:21:26.000Well, a lot of people were telling you that's the best way to do it, because you get more protection, which is fine if that's what you want to do.
03:21:34.000Yeah, there was a travel restriction component of it, too, that I was concerned about.
03:21:39.000I just decided I'm not going to travel.
03:21:40.000I just was like, I'm going to hold on here because I just know the history of pharmaceutical companies and how all these things, everybody's like, oh, just take it, just take it.
03:22:05.000His initials are, if he's listening, his initials are SM. And I would fight with him early on.
03:22:17.000But like, why not just go, because we, you know.
03:22:21.000We're tied in on some stuff and I'm fighting with him being like just go get the stupid things you don't need to worry about it like what's going on like if we're gonna go to whatever just and he just would not and it was so funny and I remember even thinking like this guy is so rational about everything in his life and he's so like calculated and doesn't screw up I'm like why can he not?