On this episode of The Joe Rogan Experience, I'm joined by Jack Ryan to talk about what it's like to be a right-wing pundit and how to deal with being labeled as a "woke" person in the modern era. We also talk about why we think it's a good idea to be pro-Israel, pro-Second Amendment and pro-Russia, and why we should be worried about what other countries are doing to us in the Middle East. Also, we talk about how to answer the question, "How do I know if I'm a liberal or a conservative?" and why it's so important to have an open mind to the ideas that are presented to you by the media and the rest of the world. If you have a dilemma or a general question you want us to answer, tweet us and we'll try to answer it! Timestamps: 1:00 - What do you think of Bernie Sanders? 4:30 - What does it mean to be woke 6:00 Is it possible to be left-wing and still be a liberal 7:30 What's the difference between a liberal and a conservative 8:20 - How do you know if you're a woke person 9:20 Does it matter? 11:00 | What are you a liberal & a conservative ? 12:15 - What are we supposed to believe in? 13:30 | What do we believe in 15:00 // 16:00 Is it okay to be progressive? 16: How do we know what we should we be? 17: What should we think of the other people? 18: What is the role of the left and the right? 19:15 | Is it better than the other? 21:00 Can we be woke? 22:40 | Should we be more progressive or the other ? 23:40 24:00 Should we trust the other side? 25:00 Are we more liberal or the left or the right ? 26:00 Do we have a choice? 27:00 What s it matter if we're not a woke guy? 29:00 How should we know we're more woke or not? 30: Is there a conspiracy? 35:00 Who do we be a conservative or a right or a left? 31:00 We don't know?
00:00:25.000People just have to lump you into one category or another, and if you're not completely aligned with the left, they'll just lump you in with the right.
00:00:32.000Yours is pretty easy to figure out, though, because you did endorse Bernie Sanders.
00:01:30.000I'm a big believer in taking care of poor people.
00:01:32.000I'm a big believer in social programs to clean up cities.
00:01:36.000There's a lot of shit that we should be doing in this country to help people that are disenfranchised because it's not fair.
00:01:43.000Anybody thinks it is fair that someone lives in a fucking crime-infested, gang-ridden inner city, and that's exactly the same as someone who grew up in the suburbs.
00:02:11.000And also, there's all this ridiculous woke shit that's going on, this bizarre mind virus that's going from universities into tech companies and the media and just fucking infiltrating people with these rigid ideas of what you have to say and not say and what you can and not say.
00:02:46.000My main thing with it If I know how you're going to answer a question basically before it's asked, which I think you can do with almost everybody involved in politics, I don't trust you.
00:03:07.000Like if you are on the right, I have to assume you're dismissive of climate change.
00:03:11.000You know, if you're on the left, I have to assume that you want a woman to have the right to choose, period.
00:03:18.000You know, and like there's like things like that.
00:03:21.000Like you are pro-abortion or you are pro-this or you are pro-that.
00:03:25.000And what's weird now is like if you're on the left, you're pro-Ukraine war.
00:03:29.000You want to send, like, your pro-military industrial complex getting funneled billions and trillions of dollars into their system to be able to create weapons to fight off Russia.
00:04:06.000And it's also very complicated, too, because there's NATO's involvement in pushing weapons closer to the border of Russia and trying to get Ukraine to join NATO. It's like Jack Ryan.
00:04:36.000Someone told me the other day that Nostradamus predicted that there was going to be some sort of a World War III. But doesn't that every year...
00:04:45.000Nostradamus, though, just throws his hat on the field, and it's vague enough where anything can be true, so everything he's ever said can be true.
00:05:08.000The book that was written about the Titanic before the Titanic?
00:05:12.000If you want to Google that, there is literally a book that...
00:05:16.000Is called like, I forget the name of the book, but it's like the biggest cruise ship that will ever sail, it's gonna hit an iceberg, and it's gonna sink.
00:05:35.000What fewer people have heard is a short novel called The Futility, The Wreck of the Titan, published in the U.S., writer Morgan Robertson, a novel that tells the story of the world's largest passenger ship, the Titan, and how it sank after hitting an iceberg, a novel published 14 years before the Titanic sank.
00:05:55.000But I bet they hit icebergs all the time back then.
00:05:58.000Well, see, that's the Nostradamus theory, that if you do enough, like, I mean, you can at this point say pretty confidently there'll be another gigantic war at some point.
00:07:29.000Talked to offshore casinos and said, how do I get involved?
00:07:32.000And they all said, the internet at the time I did this, if you went to a gambling site, fireworks, pop-ups, look like you're getting your credit card stolen.
00:07:40.000They actually said, get us off the internet, put us in a physical newsletter, and we'll advertise.
00:07:45.000So I sold like a year of advertising before we launched, and it was a gambling rack.
00:07:50.000It was like a four-page newspaper, but I sold the advertising, and it allowed me just a morph.
00:07:56.000So like during the course of the year, we slowly moved strictly away from gambling to more like men's interest, like girls and things like that.
00:10:14.000I guess it's good to have an overweight model because if you're an overweight person, you buy clothes like, oh, that would look good on me.
00:10:22.000It's half public pressure and half business because, like, Victoria's Secret got basically bullied out of their fashion show and their entire model by only having, like, the perfect Victoria's Secret angels.
00:11:22.000Just because someone enjoys it doesn't mean it's not altruistic.
00:11:27.000It's just that there is a benefit to the person that does it to the I think a lot of people have this idea of altruism that you only You're only benefiting the person you're helping and that's the only real altruism.
00:11:37.000I think it's you're also Yeah, I mean it it benefits you But it's benefits you and it just it feels good.
00:11:46.000It's like I think people look at When people have ulterior motives.
00:11:53.000Charities bother me when I find out that the people behind the charities are making millions of dollars.
00:12:25.000I mean, when you give to charities, there's a list of charities that you can find online where you can see what their overhead is and how much money actually gets to the people.
00:12:35.000And it's a very small percentage in most of them.
00:12:38.000What's like the lowest charity in terms of like the worst charity for like you give them money and how much of it actually goes to the charity?
00:12:48.000Because some of them are pretty good, but man, some of them are shockingly bad.
00:16:49.000They were fired by the charity's board amid criticisms about how it spent more than $800 million in donations over the last four years.
00:16:57.000The development was confirmed by Abernathy McGregor, a public relations firm hired to represent the veterans charity.
00:17:04.000To best effectuate these changes and help restore trust the organization amongst all constituents sees WWP serves, the board determined the organization would benefit from new leadership,
00:18:31.000Yeah, I didn't look into that that much because I'm not the biggest football fan, but it looked pretty sad.
00:18:37.000Yes, very sad from what it seems like.
00:18:40.000The money that should have been going to the state was going to build a volleyball court at the school because his daughter played volleyball.
00:18:53.000Doesn't he also have, like, probably pretty significant CTE? There was a thing about Brett Favre, like, he thinks he's had a thousand concussions.
00:19:04.000Yeah, it was because just, like, every time, any shaking could be a concussion, so he was considering, like, the definition of concussion to be like, well, then I've had thousands of them.
00:19:11.000Yeah, well, he's talking about how many times he's got his bell rang.
00:19:15.000That is a concussion for the most part.
00:19:25.000So the NFL, the concussion thing, I think is because if they start acknowledging it, really, they got to go all the way back in time and deal with ex-players and things like that.
00:19:34.000MMA guys get hit in the face every two seconds.
00:20:25.000If a guy is a BMX jumper and he does those flips on dirt bikes and then he falls and fucking breaks his neck, you know he knew that that was...
00:20:58.000But I've seen that guy, the original doctor, that was the motivation of that movie.
00:21:05.000Yeah, I think they buried a lot of it, released their own, control it.
00:21:11.000I mean, I've had my issues with the NFL. I think they're like maybe the most powerful group there is.
00:21:16.000Various players have filed lawsuits against the league for the concussions, accusing the league of hiding information that linked to head trauma and permanent brain damage, Alzheimer's disease, and dementia.
00:21:26.000Some teams choose not to draft certain players in the NFL draft due to their past concussion history.
00:21:32.000And I think that's part of the problem, moving forward with it a little bit, is if you admit it or change, you have this laundry list of lawsuits that can come forward then.
00:22:18.000The NFL tried to intimidate scientists studying the link between pro football and traumatic brain injury.
00:22:23.000This is in 2017. Rather than honestly deal with this burgeoning concussion problem, the National Football League went after the reputation of the first doctor to link the sport to degenerative brain disease.
00:22:35.000He named chronic traumatic encephalopathy.
00:22:39.000So it was back in 2002. I think that's the guy.
00:22:50.000And I think with football, it's probably even more pronounced because if you think about what they're doing, they're running full clip into each other.
00:22:59.000So you have these giant super athletes, 300-pound guys capable of generating preposterous amounts of power and force, and they're just fucking...
00:23:18.000If you told me I could be one of those people...
00:23:20.000No, maybe not now, because I... I don't know about you.
00:23:25.000I didn't dream I'd have the life I had now, but for 99.9% of Americans, I would think, being a star athlete football player is worth that risk.
00:23:36.000I think most of them, even if you said, you may get a concussion, you may get brain damage from doing this, they'd still probably do it.
00:23:43.000I mean, you live a life that You really can't compare to from what?
00:23:49.000When you're 15 years old or whenever you start being that athlete to well into your 40s, yeah, the end of your life is going to suck, but people don't look forward to that.
00:24:00.000People don't worry about what's going to happen to them generally when you're 20 at 50. Yeah, they don't think about it.
00:25:16.000And the glory of winning a fight, the glory of getting your hand raised, it's so above and beyond normal life experiences that even guys who have taken some shots and probably do feel the effects, they take a few months off and They want to get back in there again because it's so much more exciting than regular life.
00:25:38.000I've been blessed at this point with things that I never thought I'd be able to do ever.
00:28:23.000People are telling that Justin Gaethje was recently seen hanging out with a warlord accrues to brutal crimes against humanity, so it's hypocritical for him to say we look bad supporting Patty when he supports a warlord.
00:28:33.000I'm gonna take the high road, plus not mention it.
00:28:38.000Yeah, and then he got mad at you for that?
00:30:53.000Why would they crack down on the media?
00:30:55.000Well, I think because of the war effort.
00:30:57.000If the media is saying things like, oh, Ukraine is corrupt, or oh, Ukraine has done this...
00:31:03.000Critics say a new media law signed by Zelensky could restrict press freedom in Ukraine.
00:31:08.000Lawmakers who passed the bill said it would help meet European Union conditions for membership, but journalists have denounced it as a move towards censorship.
00:31:26.000Some of the law's most stringent provisions were relaxed in response to the criticism.
00:31:30.000Serious concerns about the independence of the regulatory body remain.
00:31:33.000Domestic and international news media groups said on Friday, noting that they were still receiving details of the final 279 page legislation.
00:31:40.000The law expands the authority of Ukraine's state broadcasting regulator to cover the online and print news media.
00:31:49.000Previous drafts gave the regulator the power to find news media outlets, revoke their licenses, temporarily block certain online outlets without a court order, and request that social media platforms and search giants like Google remove content that violates the law.
00:32:07.000Well, you know, they're doing that over in America.
00:32:09.000I mean, we found out that because of the Twitter files.
00:32:11.000When Elon released all the Twitter files, they found that the United States government was actively trying to suppress the voices of certain people that were saying things they found disagreeable on Twitter.
00:33:34.000I mean, I think there's a lot of fucking algorithms and weird shit at play when it comes to Instagram and all those social media companies.
00:33:44.000It's not only the handpicking of people, but if people complain, if they just, this is offensive, this is whatever, there's a certain number of those that will trigger you to get pushed down.
00:33:58.000One thing that also I think is kind of self-evident, if you're talking left and right, the left is far more savvy with social media.
00:34:07.000The right will generally just want to sling it out.
00:34:10.000They'll let you say anything, and they're not going to complain, and they're not going to try to violate, like, ooh, that's a violation complaint.
00:34:17.000The left will, and it's a good tactic to get the right off.
00:34:21.000But it's also because the left is in control of all of the social media platforms, where the right has nothing.
00:34:29.000I mean, there's no social media platform.
00:34:31.000I mean, there's people that are trying to accuse Elon Musk of being right-wing, but I think that's just because Elon Musk has said the Democrats are out of their fucking minds.
00:34:38.000He's said what I've said in many different ways.
00:34:41.000Now, I don't know how I go back and forth when I feel about Elon.
00:36:30.000Over 80% of Twitter accounts are likely bots, former FBI security specialist, which is fucking wild.
00:36:38.000So that's like 20% of the people on Twitter are actual humans and 80% of it is propaganda either by publicity firms or super PACs or whoever the fuck is trying to manipulate narratives.
00:36:50.000And one of the things you saw with Elon was like there's a bunch of tweets that people retweeted.
00:36:56.000They're from wildly different accounts.
00:37:16.000Well, I think if they found out that information, Twitter would be worth substantially less.
00:37:22.000And that's also what he was trying to do.
00:37:25.000I think he's trying to probably talk them into a better price.
00:37:28.000Because if you find out that a company is 95% horseshit or 80% horseshit and 20% what they say it is, if that gets out, that's devastating to the company.
00:39:03.000That's one of the most substantial and significant aspects of Elon buying Twitter, is these files being released, where you're getting to see the actual involvement of intelligence agencies, the actual banned lists and blocked lists and shadow banned and how they're suppressing People's signals.
00:39:25.000And it's almost entirely done to people that are on the right.
00:39:29.000And then the people that are on the left that are dissenters, right?
00:39:33.000The people that went along with the Great Barrington Declaration and didn't think that we should shut the country down during the pandemic.
00:39:44.000Legitimate scientists, like top of the food chain, epidemiologists, virologists who said that we are handling the pandemic absolutely wrong.
00:39:52.000And then there's internal emails and memos from Fauci calling to publicly discredit these people who were...
00:39:59.000Legitimate, like, absolute top-of-board scientists that were saying that this is not how you handle a viral pandemic and that we don't need to do it this way.
00:40:43.000So I became pretty pro-small business, let people make their own decisions, but that slant will hurt you on social media.
00:40:52.000Yeah, it would then more than it does now.
00:40:54.000But as time goes on, more and more information comes out about how deceptive they were about their studies and how many actual risks there are involved in the vaccines and how much damage it did to small businesses and all that shit.
00:41:08.000When that starts coming out more and more and more, there's so many people that had this like...
00:41:14.000Doug their heels in stance on what is right and what is wrong and now they're being forced to reevaluate and it's also they're they're confronted with the overwhelming evidence that Pharmaceutical companies have been doing this forever.
00:41:26.000They've never been honest about stuff.
00:41:28.000They've always hit information Not only have they hit information They've actually the way they run their studies is so fascinating because when a son when when you know you hear like peer-reviewed studies The scientists that evaluate peer-reviewed studies from pharmaceutical companies don't get the data.
00:41:45.000They get the review of the data by the pharmaceutical companies and then they study that.
00:42:12.000But that's why freedom of information is so important and freedom of expression is so important because you've got to be able to find out what's true and what's not.
00:42:22.000And the only way is you get differing opinions, differing perspectives.
00:42:26.000If someone could write a very biased perspective on you and they're doing it on purpose, it's a hit piece.
00:42:33.000But then someone can write a glowing review that might ignore some of your flaws and some of the things you have done, and that's not real either.
00:42:39.000It's like you need to sort it out over time, and the only way that gets done is through freedom of information, freedom of expression.
00:42:46.000And if we don't have that, we're fucked, because then whoever's in control of the media, who's ever in control of social media, or whatever the narrative is, they're the ones who get to dictate what's real and what's not real, and you can convince a lot of fucking people that things aren't true.
00:43:00.000Yeah, so do you try, like, if you're trying to read up on something, I'm talking now the major, like, outlets.
00:43:08.000So whether it be you go on Twitter, Facebook, but I'm going to New York Times, Washington Post, they're one side, Fox News is the other.
00:43:15.000Is there any place where you're like, I'm going to get a clean slate?
00:43:51.000If they lost 75% of their advertisement, they would fucking go under.
00:43:55.000Think about a company like CNN, right?
00:43:57.000CNN is already hemorrhaging money, hemorrhaging viewers.
00:44:01.000I mean, they've dropped radically since Trump left office, right?
00:44:05.000If they came out and started attacking pharmaceutical companies and they lost all their ads, they're fucked.
00:44:11.000So you're not going to get an unbiased, really honest perspective on anything that has to do with pharmaceutical companies when it comes to CNN or when it comes to any of these mainstream news platforms that rely on pharmaceutical companies for ads.
00:44:27.000I mean, I don't think any of those are.
00:44:29.000The ones you just mentioned, I mean, I'm super jaded now at this point, but And then you have ideological perspectives.
00:44:35.000You have the people that are in these ideological camps where you, this is this and that is that, and you can't differ from, you can't like have any sort of nuanced perspective or look at people that have a different point of view in a charitable way.
00:44:51.000You can't do that because then you're a sympathizer or you're platforming these bad and evil people and you're carrying water.
00:45:00.000There's all these stupid fucking phrases that they like to use.
00:45:58.000You can have opinions that I don't agree with, and I 100% support your ability to do that.
00:46:03.000I don't want to suppress people I don't agree with, but I want you to be honest.
00:46:07.000I want you to tell me what the actual data says, and even if your perspective on that data I don't agree with, at least I know you're telling me the truth.
00:46:45.000If I wasn't doing what I was doing, I would still, because I don't pay enough close attention, I would still sort of believe the New York Times was like a real thing.
00:47:22.000Where you don't have the time to be looking into this shit.
00:47:24.000You're busy all day, and then maybe you have a family and obligations and fucking bills that are piling up, and you don't have the time to be sorting out whether or not the Washington Post is being honest about gender-affirming care.
00:47:42.000It's important, but you step outside, you walk down the street, and most people don't even know what's going on at Twitter.
00:47:49.000We're in it, so you see it, and you pay attention to what people are saying.
00:47:54.000But I always, if I'm in the center of a controversy, something's going on, I focus like, oh my god, the world, everything's happening here, and then you go outside, nobody knows.
00:48:39.000It's also, I think, legitimately bad for mental health to communicate that way.
00:48:44.000To communicate just through text and it's almost all of it is aggressive and almost all of it is insulting and almost all of it is disparaging of people.
00:48:51.000The amount of like anti or negative tweets versus positive tweets.
00:48:55.000I mean I wonder if anybody's done a study of that.
00:48:57.000Like how much negative tweeting versus positive tweeting.
00:49:06.000If you went to a bar, and every time you went to a bar, people were fucking arguing and screaming at each other, you'd be like, fuck this bar.
00:49:15.000I don't want to be around these people.
00:49:16.000It's not a normal way for human beings to communicate where they're not looking at each other across a table, having a drink, just looking at each other as another human, appreciating each other as a person, a human being.
00:49:30.000When you just see text on a screen and you're like, I'm going to fuck this guy up, and you go...
00:49:56.000That's what we're capable of understanding and appreciating And you know when someone's bullshitting you, and you know when someone's got a secret agenda, you're like, this guy's kind of a creep.
00:50:07.000And then you get some people like, I really like talking to that guy.
00:50:10.000And then you can't wait to talk to him again.
00:50:11.000And then you kind of have an agreement.
00:50:13.000When you see each other, you know that he likes you, and you know that you like him, and you know he's a nice guy, and he knows you're a nice guy.
00:50:19.000And you're generally, let me buy you a drink.
00:51:31.000And also, I have a podcast, so I can actually sit down and talk to people, which most people don't have, right?
00:51:36.000So you don't have that opportunity to work things out with someone and try to find out what they really feel and what they believe face-to-face in front of them.
00:52:44.000So because of that, I don't have any desire to communicate in an ineffective way that makes me feel bad and read a bunch of mean things that people say about you and just go back and forth with them and saying things that's not true.
00:56:54.000It's like if you haven't been around Coke in your life, you're probably a loser.
00:56:58.000Honestly, if you haven't been around it, I'm not going to say do it, but if you haven't been around it at least once, you're probably not the most fun person ever.
00:58:22.000So I was at Fenway Park with a buddy of mine, went to see a baseball game, and then I was like 14 or 15. And when we were walking home from the baseball game, there was so many people waiting in line for the tee.
00:58:56.000And the ka-chink was the chains that was holding the bag.
00:58:59.000And I got up there at the top of the stairs and watched this guy, John Lee, who was the national champion, who was training for the World Cup.
01:01:07.000As a kid who was like finally I was a loser my whole life and then finally when I was 15 I found this thing that I got obsessed with that Changed the way people looked at me like I was now all of a sudden I was good at something like really good at something and then I became state champion four years in a row and I won the US Open and I won these national tournaments and it was a big fucking deal for me So I was like I'm not doing anything that jeopardizes that right and coke to me was the big one like I knew that that was it I feel like If I got drunk,
01:01:36.000which I did occasionally, I would feel like shit the next day.
01:02:52.000So we were driving, and there was a car next to us, and they had the dome light on, and there was a girl in the backseat doing blow off a mirror.
01:02:59.000So she's there doing blow, and she looks over at us, and I'm looking over to her, and she goes...
01:03:33.000He went to jail for quite a long time, quite a few years, and then he came out, and he was just a totally different person.
01:03:40.000He came out super jacked, and he had a bunch of really bad tattoos, and all of them were now these heavy keloid scars, like he had burned off his tattoos or cut off his tattoos or some shit.
01:03:55.000But when he came out like he was a fucking different human.
01:03:59.000He was an animal You didn't want if you sparred him like when we sparred they weren't sparring matches They were fights like they were full-on fights like we would spar like we were trying to kill each other it was very dangerous and He was doing I know he was selling coke and doing coke and then he got arrested for this murder where they took this guy and And again,
01:04:22.000I don't know if he did it, but he did get arrested and then released.
01:04:26.000They broke all the bones in this guy's body with a hammer, and they kept injecting him with cocaine to keep him awake.
01:06:02.000It was like they would do that with the prospects, people that they thought really could have a potential.
01:06:08.000And so I was teaching a lot of people, and I was teaching this one guy, and I remember he goes, if you wanted to kill somebody, where would you hit them?
01:06:31.000But it's like, you know, if you have hundreds and hundreds of students and your business is teaching people how to fuck people up, you're going to get bad people that want to learn those skills.
01:07:42.000Most of my friends were from Chelsea and, you know, Dorchester and these, you know, young, tough kids who would come from these, you know, bad neighborhoods and bad households.
01:07:53.000Those are the ones that made the best fighters.
01:07:56.000Well, that's still, I mean, it's true.
01:09:03.000Well, we were just looking that up last night, and we were trying to figure out how many people are on Adderall, and there was 41 million prescriptions, I think, in 2020. 41 million.
01:11:13.000Like, I don't want to be a tea toddler, and I do Sober October every year where I don't do shit, but at the end of the day, I think a little bit of alcohol, a little bit of...
01:11:21.000You just got to take care of your body.
01:11:23.000You got to know when you're overdoing it, know when you're doing too much, make sure you take vitamins, make sure you recover, do a bunch of different things to take care of your fucking meat vehicle.
01:11:32.000But as long as you do that, I feel like...
01:12:20.000If you're fighting Israel Adesanya or Alex Pajera and you have that fucking cage locks, you don't want to have any thought like, I should have got more sleep or shouldn't have got drunk last week or shouldn't have this or shouldn't have that.
01:12:31.000At the elite levels, everything has to be on point.
01:12:37.000You have to have your recovery, your diet, your nutrition, all the fucking modalities have to be on point to compete at the elite of the elite level.
01:12:52.000Jon Jones was so goddamn talented, and still is, that if he just did none of that and just trained like a fucking Spartan and was a samurai about everything, he would have been unstoppable.
01:13:05.000He wouldn't have had those close fights.
01:13:07.000When he fought Alexander Gustafson, he didn't even train.
01:13:11.000Didn't even fucking train, and he beat him.
01:14:23.000I watch very obscure kickboxing matches from Thailand.
01:14:27.000If you see me on my phone and I'm just sitting somewhere, I'm probably watching some weird grappling match that's taking place in fucking Uzbekistan or some shit.
01:16:17.000Yeah, if you told me that he could eclipse Michael, and you could argue either way, because I am a boxing guy, he's done the biggest fights, but, you know, are you ready to rumble?
01:16:27.000I would have said not in a million years.
01:18:59.000You're a child to someone who knows how to fight.
01:19:02.000You really don't know until you experience it.
01:19:05.000And so I think what UFC did is it opened everybody's eyes to jiu-jitsu and how effective jiu-jitsu is and how it's so much different than every other martial art because, like, If you're a good athlete and you're strong, you can hit hard, there's always like a swinging chance.
01:19:21.000If you're in a fight with someone and you sucker punch them or something happens, but in a jiu-jitsu match or a guy with a jiu-jitsu black belt, there's no chance for like a lucky submission.
01:20:11.000It would be a good thing for people to have, because I think if I was watching in the audience, I think I might also buy it on ESPN +, and then listen to the commentary on an AirPod.
01:20:26.000Because, like, when Daniel Cormier is explaining wrestling, like, to this day, when he's explaining shit to me, like, I'm all ears.
01:20:32.000When he's talking about clinch positions and, you know, what's important and what a person has to do in this spot or that spot.
01:20:39.000And then when it goes to the ground, like, when I'm explaining transitions and I'm explaining when someone's okay and when they're not okay, and now they're fucked.
01:20:46.000And what he's gonna do is this and then the person does it like for people that follow along at home that was in the early days of the UFC that helped the UFC very much because Otherwise, it's just a scramble of bodies on the ground.
01:22:23.000But that was because of having people like Robert Malone and Peter McCullough that were telling a narrative that was contrary to what was going on in the public about vaccines and about the efficacy and about the dangers and about COVID and the actual dangers of COVID and also alternative treatments,
01:22:42.000whether or not they were effective, whether or not the information is being suppressed.
01:23:23.000And when I had access to someone like Robert Malone, who owns nine patents on the creation of mRNA vaccine technology, and that guy who got vaccinated was telling you About a terrible cardiac event that happened to him while he got vaccinated and then him doing the research on mRNA vaccines and the benefits as well as the adverse side effects and as well as what the actual studies showed in terms of efficacy,
01:23:50.000the fact that they never really showed that they could stop transmission, that they were lying about that.
01:23:59.000In fact, there was a woman in Pfizer that had to talk to the European Parliament, and they asked her, like, did you do research to see if it stopped transmission?
01:24:10.000So all they knew is that it created antibodies.
01:24:13.000And everybody wanted the pandemic to be over.
01:24:16.000And everybody wanted it and they feel like this is our way out of this and it was like that was the narrative Rachel Maddow was like if you get this vaccine you won't get COVID, you won't spread COVID, the virus stops with you.
01:24:25.000We all now know that is horseshit and that's a lie and this guy was telling me that over a year ago and when I started talking about that it became a real fucking issue but my perspective was like look If it's true, it's true.
01:24:41.000And the chips will fall where they may.
01:24:44.000And if the only way people are getting this information is through me, that's fucking crazy.
01:24:48.000But that's also the cross I have to bear.
01:25:04.000And as more and more information gets out over time, it will show What happened, how they were suppressed, how there was active campaigns to silence them, and how those campaigns were funded.
01:25:16.000And that's what we're finding out right now.
01:25:19.000So it was an uncomfortable time for sure, especially when people like fucking Neil Young.
01:25:26.000But, you know, Neil Young, I don't know if this is true or not, but somebody told me that after I released my video explaining how a lot of the stuff that they called misinformation in the past that would get kicked you off is now mainstream news, like the fact the lab leak hypothesis.
01:25:41.000If you talked about the lab leak hypothesis on YouTube at the beginning of the pandemic, you would have been fucking canceled.
01:25:48.000They would have pulled you off of YouTube.
01:25:49.000They would have suppressed your episodes.
01:25:54.000And now, most scientists and epidemiologists and virologists are porting towards that as a likely scenario, that there's a lab leak.
01:26:01.000I had Brett Weinstein, who is an evolutionary biologist on yesterday, and he explained why that lab leak hypothesis is most likely correct in scientific terms that are, like, mind-boggling.
01:27:10.000Well, they did that, and they also were very apprehensive about certain guests that I had on, and there was a lot of pressure from advertisers.
01:27:20.000There was a lot of pressure from different people.
01:27:23.000They were, you know, like different artists like Neil Young and Joni Mitchell pulled their stuff and it was touch and go.
01:27:30.000But again, over time, it showed that that was all true.
01:27:44.000I shouldn't say I was wrong because I wasn't really the one who was saying these things.
01:27:47.000These things were mostly being said by experts.
01:27:50.000But if those experts turned out to be horseshit, that would be devastating.
01:27:53.000Like if it did cause the death of millions of people because these guys were lying and these people didn't take something that could have saved them.
01:28:02.000But it turns out that's not really the case.
01:28:04.000And it turns out there was alternate therapies and alternate different medications that were suppressed.
01:28:11.000Not only that, the information about simple things like vitamin D and exercise and the benefits of those things and how that was suppressed, about how obesity contributes to COVID, that was all suppressed.
01:28:22.000None of that stuff was being discussed.
01:30:41.000You know, the fact that an independent media organization, whether it's like Breaking Points or Substack, can exist and have millions of subscribers and millions of people that pay attention.
01:31:07.000And I've had a lot of offers to do that.
01:31:09.000There was a lot of people that were these fucking huge billionaire people who came to me and said, listen, we can take this and go straight to subscriber model and then you never have to deal with anybody ever telling you what to do again.
01:32:29.000Why am I making decisions based on whether or not some fucking dork who has this subjective opinion of whether or not something should be discussed or not discussed?
01:33:44.000But the thing is, I kept doing stand-up, and when I'd go on stand-up, people would go fucking crazy when I'd go on stage.
01:33:50.000Yeah, well, the thing you have, I've said this in the past, similar, I think, to Barstool, you've been doing it so long, so your audience knows very well who you are.
01:34:29.000The more people attack, the more your base grows, and they almost become more ravenous.
01:34:33.000They do become more ravenous, especially in response to someone like Brian Stelter.
01:34:37.000Because you see that guy talking like, who the fuck are you?
01:34:41.000Imagine a world where that guy's your best friend.
01:34:43.000Well, that is, so of all the people who have come at me, and a lot of people say it, so you can take it kind of with a grain of salt, if someone writes a hit piece, I always say, let's sit down, I'll bring my cameras, you bring yours, and we can both do whatever we want.
01:34:58.000Nobody ever has taken me up on that, ever.
01:36:53.000I've tried to be a little better with it, but it's not the best.
01:36:57.000But it's an interesting thing because this is all very new.
01:37:00.000The idea of podcasts and these independent platforms that reach millions of people has never existed in human history.
01:37:11.000There's never been anything like this.
01:37:13.000So guys like you and guys like me and people that are doing it, There's no road map to follow.
01:37:19.000Now for young guys coming up or young girls coming up, like young non-binary folks coming up, they get to look at what we're doing and they see like a little bit of a road map.
01:37:28.000So for people that are getting involved in this right now, I love the fact that some 17 year old kid in Michigan in his fucking apartment You know, or his bedroom can start a podcast.
01:37:42.000And if people like it, they keep tuning in, and then it can grow, and it can get to a point where that person could be the number one podcaster in the world.
01:37:52.000You see it with like Twitch streamers and YouTubers.
01:37:59.000Talent, generally, if you do it enough, can rise.
01:38:02.000It's more than leveling the playing field because you're uninhibited.
01:38:05.000You're unhindered by corporate interests.
01:38:08.000So you have this ability to talk about things in a way that, like, there was never a long-form discussion of complicated ideas for hours and hours uncensored that ever existed before.
01:39:01.000So because I've been around it now for 13 years, I've been doing it for 13 years, I've amassed a following that's been paying attention for so long.
01:39:12.000That's also why I think you're perceived, why I don't think, I know, as a threat.
01:39:18.000Because you can say what you want, and you can also influence politics, whatever it may be, and they can't get to you, really.
01:39:28.000Well, I don't know if that should be perceived as a threat.
01:39:31.000I think they're looking at it the wrong way.
01:39:33.000If they were an individual, I would say you shouldn't look at it that way.
01:39:36.000You should look at, like, what are the benefits of doing something in the way that that person does and whether or not you can adjust and do whether— You don't think they—you don't think like— I'm sure they do.
01:39:48.000But what I would say, if they were an individual, I know they're a corporation, so it's sort of a different entity, but if they were an individual, I would tell them, you're looking at it the wrong way.
01:39:57.000If someone's out there killing it, don't look at that person as a threat.
01:40:01.000Look at that person's like, what did they do?
01:40:11.000What's the flaws in the way I'm promoting my thing?
01:40:14.000And why doesn't that resonate with people?
01:40:17.000If you have someone who speaks like a normal person, like who speaks like you would if you're having a drink with a buddy, that resonates with people.
01:41:21.000So we just did our first—we had the rights to a college football game, and we announced it as though we had a rooting interest because we did, and half the people loved it, half hated it.
01:42:35.000We would turn the cameras early on us, like the Barstool people watching sports, in our biggest moments, because everyone wants a fan.
01:42:42.000Like, someone hits a home run, Against your the biggest is always when your team loses people like to watch someone die on camera, which is great, but it's the fan experience It always works and that is what works with podcasts if someone's interesting Yes, if someone but if they're not God so fucking annoying like if you like I watch a lot of professional pool and There's a lot of telling me that yeah,
01:43:04.000I'm addicted And then there's these pool commentators that are just fucking amateurs.
01:43:31.000And that's what it's supposed to be all about.
01:43:33.000People are supposed to have the freedom to do something that other people enjoy.
01:43:38.000And that's the most unique thing about this time, is this time you don't have to have any qualifications, you don't have to have any background in broadcasting from a specific institution or any of that.
01:43:59.000The network people generally flame out with us a little bit because they want, they're expecting like a producer to be like, you gotta do this, this is set up.
01:44:08.000Where people who are kind of born from the internet, They've gotten on our radar or wherever they are by just doing it themselves.
01:44:30.000It's so easy to create your own content without Any help, really.
01:44:34.000But they'd like to be connected with Barstool, because Barstool's a brand that also has a gigantic following already attached, so they know if they hook up with you, they'll get an audience.
01:50:20.000Imagine how long that podcast could have kept going.
01:50:23.000And everything, only IP. And they could have left and gone to Spotify the same way with her attached, and she would be fucking driving a pink Rolls Royce and balling out of control.
01:50:33.000I don't know that she's doing terribly.
01:50:36.000She's certainly not doing what Alex is.
01:50:39.000And what does Alex do now for a co-host?
01:52:49.000Even though it appeared that he wasn't protecting himself and thought that that was part of the ceremony that you were going through of apology, that you unfairly took advantage of it.
01:53:05.000What do you say to those who say, What'd you do there?
01:53:09.000You were winning the fight and in charge.
01:53:10.000I just want to say to everybody that bought pay-per-view, that came out to Las Vegas, thank you.
01:53:14.000Floyd, you know you're a promoter, but now we're talking to you as a prize fighter.
01:53:20.000Let's take a look at what happened at the end of the fight, and you describe it.
01:54:46.000Also, Larry Merchant, I don't agree with the way he communicates with fighters.
01:54:49.000The way I communicate with fighters...
01:54:52.000I try to be 100% respectful at all times and also with reverence to the fact that these people, they trained for their whole life and then, you know, 6 to 12 weeks for this particular event.
01:55:05.000When I'm in the ring and I'm in the cage and I'm trying to interview a fighter, all I'm trying to do is try to get that person to express themselves the best way that they can, as respectfully as they can.
01:55:15.000I would have not talked to him like that.
01:55:18.000Yeah, you come across to me as part of the brotherhood of the fighting community.
01:55:23.000Whereas I get, like, Larry Merchant, even, like, Jim Gray.
01:55:59.000Back in that world, the sports world, the way sports broadcasters talk about athletes is very different than the way fight broadcasters talk about athletes.
01:56:09.000You know, sports broadcasters will call athletes bums, they'll call athletes, you know, he's lazy, he's this, he's that.
01:56:15.000I will never fucking say that in a million years.
01:56:18.000I also think Social media sort of changed because in his era athletes couldn't go direct to social media and express themselves.
01:59:07.000Five rounds for the UFC lightweight title!
01:59:10.000If Hunter Campbell and Dana White have a momentary lapse of judgment and they give the title shot to someone else, I got one dude on my mind!
01:59:21.000Conor McGregor, you gotta come back to fight somebody.
01:59:26.000I am the most entertaining lightweight overplayed, but I want to off the stage, Conor.
01:59:32.000I want you at your biggest, I want you at the baddest, and I want you at your best.
01:59:37.000You and me at 170 this summer, this fall, this winter.
02:01:42.000From the outside, he's always been as good as you can be on a mic.
02:01:45.000Well, he opened up a lot of people's eyes to what you could accomplish with that.
02:01:50.000Because although Chael was a world-class fighter, defeated world champion, submitted Mauricio Shogun, who, I mean, he beat guys when they were at the top of their fucking game, who were, like, beat Nate Marquardt when he was a Fucking killer.
02:02:08.000And people get confused about that because of like his antics and his...
02:02:12.000I mean, he's not the guy that's gonna beat Jon Jones.
02:02:15.000He's not the guy that's gonna beat Anderson Silva.
02:02:17.000He almost beat Anderson Silva, but Anderson Silva had a fucked up rib going into that fight and wound up submitting him in the last round with a fucking triangle, which was wild.
02:03:55.000When Hamzat Chemaev beat Kevin Holland, I was in a very interesting situation because Hamzat weighed in eight and a half pounds overweight.
02:04:03.000And he fucked up the entire main event because he was supposed to be fighting Nate Diaz.
02:04:08.000So I was in this situation where I wanted to praise Hamzat because he just ragdolled Kevin Holland in one of the most spectacular performances of the year.
02:04:17.000I mean, he showed why he's the motherfucker of motherfuckers and why everybody's scared of him.
02:04:21.000But also, he weighed in eight and a half pounds overweight.
02:05:13.000I know you don't care about that now, but if you want to compete for the welterweight title, it's important that they know you can make 170 pounds.
02:07:19.000You know, Kevin Holland's a fucking entertaining guy, but this is for a fight where you just trained stand-up and you're against literally the best wrestler in the division who's a fucking motherfucker.
02:07:54.000But if he survived that, let me tell you something, the pace that Han Zopp put on in that first round, I don't know if he would have been able to do that for three rounds.
02:08:01.000He might have significantly tired if he didn't get that finish.
02:09:04.000Yeah, but during the middle of a fight, while you're fucking a guy up, before you even decide to fuck him up, you're holding him up in the air, talking shit.
02:09:49.000I think Usman, the rumor was that he has to get hand surgery.
02:09:54.000Kamaru Usman had a tear in one of the ligaments in his hand that had bothered him for a long time and was misdiagnosed, and then he eventually wound up getting surgery.
02:10:04.000And he got that surgery before the Leon Edwards fight, but I believe the word is...
02:10:10.000That he needs another surgery for his hand.
02:10:27.000Spectacular knockout, one of the greatest head kick knockouts, if not the greatest, the most consequential in the history of sport.
02:10:32.000Fifth round, down on the cards, a minute to go, and then again, that's why John Anik is the GOAT. John Anik is literally saying that he could stop, and he could resign himself to his fate, but that's not the cloth he's cut from.
02:10:47.000The greatest call in the history of MMA, and maybe the history of all sports.
02:10:51.000And then that would be the big fight, the rematch, because Kamara was winning that fight, and if he just chose to fight defensively and move away that round, he would have won that fight.
02:11:02.000But he engaged and he got head kicked.
02:11:08.000Wants to fight in March, and if Kamaru can't recover in time, maybe it was a minor surgery that only needed a few weeks off and he can get back.
02:11:17.000I don't know what the story is, but I've heard various stories.
02:11:57.000That's a good fight because Jorge Masvidal sucker-punched Leon Edwards backstage when Jorge just won a fight, and then I think he just knocked out Darren Till.
02:12:08.000Masvidal was my most Miami night I've ever had.
02:14:53.000And then when he fought Jake Paul in the boxing match, which he had no business in doing, he just did it because he just gave it a try and a lot of money.
02:15:32.000It was always like guys who fought there, they fought there because they couldn't fight in the UFC. And I was like, maybe for some of them, but I don't think that's the case for...
02:15:41.000There's guys over there in Bellator, guys like Douglas Lima, that I could think could beat anybody in the world.
02:15:47.000They just have to be in the situation where they could fight them.
02:15:51.000And that's how I felt about Ben Askren at that time.
02:16:37.000I want to see what a person is capable of doing to another person.
02:16:41.000And even if it's not exciting, even if that person can just take that person down at will and hold them down and keep punching them, Even if the punches aren't devastating, I am fascinated by someone's ability to impose their skill set on someone else.
02:18:04.000I firmly believe that if the Ben Askren, in the peak of his condition at Bellator, fight in the UFC, I think he's a fucking nightmare for everyone in the sport.
02:18:15.000Maybe guys like Kamaru Usman, because he's also an elite wrestler, would give him a hard time, and maybe he would have beat him, but I would have loved to have seen it.
02:18:22.000I would have loved to have seen him against Tyron Woodley in his prime, against all those guys in their prime, against Wonderboy in his prime.
02:19:19.000Now, if he goes on to start beating actual real professional boxers with credible records, that's where things get interesting.
02:19:26.000And I think the way he's doing it is brilliant.
02:19:27.000He fights Nate Robinson, he fights Ben Askren, he fights Tyron Woodley, gets all these fucking brutal knockouts against guys who are like, at least have names.
02:19:39.000Even though Tyron Woodley might have been, you know, at the end of his career and maybe not as dedicated he was when he was the welterweight champion of the UFC, he's still Tyron fucking Woodley.
02:19:49.000He's still a dangerous, dangerous man.
02:26:09.000This might not be the best performance that he has ever had in his career, but what I see from his highlight reel, what I see from some of the fights that I've watched, he's a good boxer, man.
02:26:54.000And I'm not saying that he's even reached his full potential or gotten to a place where I think that he should be in consideration to be fighting for any kind of a title.
02:27:02.000Jake Paul beating Tommy Fury does nothing for me in terms of me.
02:28:41.000They seize his car collection as investigation continues.
02:28:44.000The one thing I don't get about this, well, I do get it, I understand.
02:28:47.000People are actually like, want the charges to be true, which is crazy because that would mean a lot of bad shit to what happened to a lot of bad people.
02:28:54.000Yeah, I would rather the charges be incorrect.
02:28:57.000You know, look, Romania, I don't know what their system is like.
02:29:03.000I've heard things, but I don't have any real information.
02:29:06.000So I'd be talking out of my ass to say...
02:29:09.000You know, if he really did like sex traffic people, if he really did all the things he's saying, well, I hope that gets proven in court and I hope he gets punished if he really did that.
02:29:20.000If he didn't do that, I hope he gets exonerated and I hope he gets the fuck out of Romania.
02:30:34.000You might not agree with all the crazy antics, but...
02:30:38.000You cannot deny that that's been incredibly successful because it resonates with a lot of young men who don't feel represented in the media.
02:30:46.000And they see this guy and it looks like fun.
02:31:11.000Where it gets fucked up is, like, young boys repeating the shit that he's saying to young girls, because they think that they're supposed to do that.
02:31:19.000I mean, he says they're property, and he owns them, which is nuts.
02:31:21.000And so, you hope people are like, oh, that's an act.
02:31:24.000The one thing I will say, for an intelligent guy, which I agree with you, he is...
02:31:29.000to be doing the things he's being accused of doing and then go seek publicity It's a very unwise move.
02:32:40.000Now, again, that move from somebody who's being accused of sex trafficking, I think rape was thrown in there, and then you're out there being like, look at me, look at me, crazy.
02:33:00.000I just found an exclusive story on Vice that says the reason he was kicked off of Big Brother is not the reason that was publicly known or what was thought of.
02:33:11.000It says that he was arrested for suspicion of rape in 2015. He was investigated over allegations of sexual assault and physical abuse in the UK, during which time he appeared on Big Brother for five days.
02:33:28.000This says that they told the producers of the show like five days before he was kicked off.
02:33:34.000And then a video was found of him and a girl doing something.
02:33:39.000Then they came out and said this was like a kinky video they were making.
02:33:42.000The girl came out and said that that was very consensual and that they were doing role play and that they liked to do this thing where he would beat her up or something.
02:33:51.000This article was saying that didn't have anything to do with why he was kicked off the show.
02:34:29.000But the misogynistic stuff, like if you have daughters or if you have a wife or if you have sisters and stuff like that, you don't want that.
02:34:37.000That narrative, putting that out there, that's negative to everybody.
02:36:32.000It's also another thing, like this Matrix thing which he has, which, again, I... I am a firm believer, based on my experience, like, people are out to get you, they're out to get you.
02:36:43.000He also, if he committed these crimes, he's sort of brilliant, be like, they're coming for me in the next couple days, because you know they're coming, and then your followers go, aha, he was right.
02:38:30.000But you also hope that he's not accused of these things when it's just because of his bombastic personality and talking shit and getting all this attention, which he clearly has done.
02:38:39.000You gotta wonder how much of it is sad.
02:38:41.000Like, when you talk to Piers Morgan, that was a very interesting conversation because Piers confronted him on all these things and he did a great job of explaining what he does and why he does it.
02:38:50.000And, you know, it's like the guy went viral in a way that no one has.
02:39:35.000I think this exchange with Greta Thunberg is a perfect example of how to counteract that.
02:39:40.000She just mocks him and then he gets arrested and she has the fucking tweet of the year making fun of his arrest and a fucking perfect one-liner.
02:39:49.000That's what happens if you don't recycle your pizza boxes.
02:41:03.000For Alex to have to tell him Hitler was terrible is pretty funny.
02:41:06.000So if you're going down that way, I don't know.
02:41:09.000I think the way he's going down is he's never – I don't think he's experienced anything like – of course he's never experienced anything like this, right?
02:41:17.000Where everything's taken away from him.
02:41:20.000I mean, he had to stop construction on his house.
02:41:22.000He's losing all of his money, all of his sponsorships.
02:44:43.000You know, people expect that if you're black you have to be Democrat.
02:44:58.000I have conversations that basically said that welfare is the reason why a lot of black people end up being Democrats.
02:45:06.000They say, you know, first of all, it's a limit to the amount of jobs.
02:45:12.000I sort of picture, like, just a mouse running around on a circle in Trump's head right now as he's going around, like, trying to occupy himself.
02:45:21.000I like how he has this, like, serious consideration, like, hmm, hmm.
02:46:27.000Look, as a comedian, that guy was like the greatest amount of ammunition and information and the greatest resource a comic could ever hope for.
02:46:37.000So, before he was elected, I said I would vote for Trump because of what you just basically said.
02:46:59.000Because, you know, the saying the election was rigged, that's a threat to the foundation of our democracy.
02:47:05.000And I believe that if you're going to say the election was rigged, You have to have rock-solid, very specific information that points to that, that you could show the world.
02:47:30.000If you don't think that there's people that are running some sort of an election center that are democratic centered that wouldn't do something that they think would help the world.
02:47:42.000By making sure that someone who they think is evil and a very threat to democracy itself, if that person gets into power, and you don't think that they would do something to suppress that, whether it's by making voting machines not work correctly or by suppressing ballots or by hiding ballots,
02:47:59.000there's unscrupulous people that exist.
02:48:02.000How many of them exist, is the question.
02:48:04.000How much fraud was it on the Republican side?
02:48:07.000How much fraud was it on the Democratic side?
02:48:23.000I don't think he had the information where he could show the United States, here's how I know for sure.
02:48:29.000Objectively, have someone who's just like a rock-solid statistician and analyst who can show you beyond a shadow of a doubt that there's a problem.
02:48:56.000And that guy is not prosecuted, not arrested, not charged.
02:49:02.000And then the FBI has to have a conversation with Ted Cruz, and he's saying, did you have people in the FBI that were involved in that, that were actively trying to rile people up, and they won't answer that question?
02:49:18.000My issue with it, you alluded to it, I think both sides, and this is actually sort of sad, but my view of politics...
02:51:20.000I've actually come to, this is how fucked up our country is, I'm actually enjoying it from like, the cameras are falling around, no one wants to sit with them.
02:51:29.000They don't know where he got the money for the campaign.
02:55:01.000There's a lot of people that like all kinds of stuff that I don't like, and that's okay.
02:55:06.000But the problem is when people don't like someone like you, because you represent masculinity, you represent gambling and sports and girls and money, and they don't like that.
02:55:36.000I mean, the shocking part is just, again...
02:55:40.000It's shocking because we've never done it before, and now all of a sudden you're in the middle of it, and as an independent person, which you are, it's a rare spot where someone gets as much attention as you do and has as much power and influence as you do, but you're completely unconnected.
02:55:54.000You can do whatever you want, and that's what's scary.
02:56:03.000So, I mean, I still deal with, like I've always said for people who don't like me, the best thing that ever happened was we became this gambling company or associated because I can't be as unhinged or I can't go after people in the manner I would like to.
02:56:18.000I have to stay away for the most part.
02:56:34.000I think now the UFC recently, because of the James Krause thing, but that was a fighter who was managing and training a fighter who was accused of telling people about an injury that could affect the outcome of a fight.
02:56:52.000All I know is the allegations, but I know it's serious enough where they're investigating it, and it's serious enough where his fighters are not allowed to compete in the UFC anymore.
02:57:50.000And that people aren't doing something like that, where they're giving someone, like letting them know this guy's gonna lay down and then bet the house on this guy.
03:02:18.000Khabib said that the talented guys, it's too easy for them.
03:02:23.000You want the guys that are just willing to just grind and work hard and they eventually overcome the talented guys because they just have this mindset where they can suffer and they can train and they can get up in the morning and do it again.
03:02:34.000They're dedicated and they don't drink and they don't party.
03:02:36.000I mean, Camille makes all his guys cut their hair a certain length, and there's no fucking around in his gym.
03:03:58.000I mean, obviously Hagrid was super talented, too, and one of the best switch hitters ever in boxing, other than Terrence Crawford, who I think is, like, right up there.
03:04:06.000Terrence Crawford, he switch hits better than anybody.
03:04:09.000So you watch every boxing match, then, too?
03:04:37.000Well, maybe not biggest, but what, in my mind, MMA, boxing, is the best guys always fight in MMA. In the UFC. But you have to be in the UFC. Like, we never got Fedor Emelianenko.
03:05:24.000That was, to me, the biggest tragedy was we never saw Fedor in his prime come over to the UFC. And by the time he went to Strikeforce, He was already, I think, miles on the odometer, hard fights,
03:05:40.000brutal, brutal, brutal fights that he had in Pride.
03:05:42.000I just don't think he was the same guy.
03:05:47.000You think there could be a guy who could be that good who's not in the UFC? Yeah, you could have a guy in Bellator that's dominating everybody and just decides, Bellator's giving him a lot of money and he doesn't want to go over to the UFC. You've got guys in one championship now that are fucking elite.
03:06:04.000They're as good as anybody alive, and they fight over in Asia.
03:06:08.000And they just haven't gotten the fanfare and the people behind them like, say, some of the fighters have in the UFC. The UFC is the biggest organization in MMA, period.
03:06:18.000There's no ifs, ands, or buts about it.
03:06:20.000If you're not a UFC champion, even if you are elite, even if you're fantastic, there's always going to be that thing that's attached to you that you never fought in the UFC. Which is why I didn't think that would happen, because UFC has progressed so much.
03:06:32.000It has, but there's still guys that, for whatever reason, they don't make it over here.
03:06:39.000Maybe 1FC gives them a bigger contract.
03:06:41.000Maybe they feel like they can shine over there more.
03:06:45.000Maybe they have less stringent drug testing, which is a very big factor, an undeniable factor.
03:06:51.000If you have an organization that doesn't have something like USADA or people showing up at your doorstep at 6.30 in the morning and waking you out of bed and making you take a piss test and making you take a blood test, then you don't know.
03:07:01.000If you're just doing a drug test after the weigh-in, that's just an intelligence test.
03:07:08.000That's like, do you have a good team behind you?
03:07:10.000Because the early days of the UFC, there was a lot of guys doing steroids and they still passed drug tests because they knew how to cycle off or when they got to the weigh-in and they knew what was getting tested for and whatnot.
03:07:22.000There was camps that had scientists That were involved in the camps.
03:07:57.000That's one thing I've never, whether it's baseball or anything.
03:07:59.000If you told me I could take a steroid and become the best at what I do, I'd do it in two seconds.
03:08:06.000If you're in a sport where everybody's doing it, like if you're in a sport like bodybuilding, which you could say is a sport or not a sport, because they're competing just based on the way they look, I think it's still a sport.
03:09:44.000Well, he could go to one FC. He could go to one of these organizations that doesn't test like that.
03:09:48.000But I think because he's not a striker and because he's dominant in jiu-jitsu and he thinks that he could be like a Tony Hawk of jiu-jitsu, like a guy who rises past the sport itself.
03:10:02.000And he becomes like an icon for what that sport is and becomes pop, and he is!
03:10:07.000He's making millions of dollars without fighting in MMA, without getting the brain damage, and dominating in his art and what he's dedicated to.
03:10:16.000I mean, you could say it's all performance enhancing drugs, but that's not correct.
03:10:24.000There's some younger guys like the Rutolo brothers who are totally clean, but they're 19 years old in a lower weight class, but he's a heavyweight.
03:10:32.000And if you just look at all the elite guys in the sport, when you go to Abu Dhabi and you look at the best guys that are competing...
03:10:58.000And his coach, John Donaher, is not just one of the most brilliant guys that has ever coached anybody, but he's one of the most brilliant guys I've ever talked to.
03:11:06.000He was a professor of philosophy at Columbia.
03:11:10.000And got obsessed with jujitsu and started training and then teaching it and then became the greatest jujitsu coach literally the world's ever known.
03:11:17.000And the two of them together are this unstoppable force.
03:11:21.000So to attribute all that just to performance enhancing drugs is crazy.
03:11:25.000But to say that it doesn't play a part in it is also untrue.
03:11:28.000There's a factor because the way he's able to train, one of the things, like if you're on performance enhancing drugs, your recovery is way better.
03:11:36.000So you're able to train far more than someone who's not on those things.
03:11:40.000On top of that, his nutrition's on point.
03:11:43.000On top of that, his recovery, all the stuff that he does to get better.
03:18:42.000I feel like he was like 40. Yeah, it wasn't that long ago.
03:18:45.000I think he just redlined his system until it just BOOM! It's 2017, so he would have been 47. Yeah, 47 and just preposterously jacked.
03:18:56.000So he won a bunch of physique competitions, Mr. Teen California, Mr. California, National Physique Committee competitions.
03:19:04.000But, you know, mostly he was like an online famous guy for being super jacked.
03:19:09.000Which is, like, a lot of these, you know, social media influencers.
03:19:13.000That, like, becomes their business, is to become super jacked or super shredded, and, you know, then they're committed to this, and then they're online.