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00:02:31.000No, speaking of carrying things around, a lot of people warn us that, like, because we go into so many haunted places, they're like, guys, you should be careful.
00:02:38.000Like, aren't you worried about bringing this home or bringing this to other people?
00:03:13.000Do you feel like that's possible, that you could carry something like that with you?
00:03:20.000We have a lot of people that tell us that.
00:03:22.000We don't necessarily buy into it all that much.
00:03:25.000There's definitely things that reoccur place to place, and it's not supposed to be the same haunting or whatever, but we get the same thing that we think has been following us from multiple places.
00:04:56.000The thing that freaks me out about ghosts...
00:04:59.000Is that it's been a reoccurring theme throughout human history and It's always it seems to be connected to some horrific death like whenever there's a horrific death it's almost like Like, that horrible moment,
00:05:14.000like, burns space and time and leaves a residue.
00:05:19.000A lot of people think that's, like, trauma, like, built into the place or, like, energy's there.
00:05:25.000To your point, though, what's crazy about it is everybody, like, has had experiences over time.
00:05:32.000Like, you walk into any room, and whether people believe or whether people don't, someone's got a story.
00:05:37.000Someone's like, okay, I don't know if I believe, but this one time this happened.
00:05:41.000And so the fact that everyone, pretty much no matter where you go, has some sort of story, even if they're skeptical, it makes you wonder, what if?
00:05:49.000Yeah, there's been countless of times where we'll go to these spots, and maybe after hearing the story, we don't think it's going to be special at all, but the person who owns the spot is like, I levitated last week.
00:06:00.000Just staring us straight in the eyes, no hesitation, like, about it.
00:06:03.000And, like, obviously, we've never experienced something that intense with the paranormal, but having dozens of people, like, every place we go to say that, it's like, how do you think they're all lying?
00:06:12.000When someone says they levitate, just say, hey, next time, set up your iPhone.
00:09:37.000He got in a fight with his wife and he got kicked out of his house and he went to the comedy store and decided he was going to sleep on the stage in the main room.
00:09:47.000And he's like, man, I'm going to fucking make it.
00:11:42.000A lot of it was also because we had a plan to become famous at the time because as 17-year-olds, it's a whole long story to it.
00:11:52.000But as 17-year-olds, we just really wanted to do that.
00:11:55.000It was a goal of ours because we had just become really, really good friends at the time.
00:12:00.000After learning how to be confident, we were very shy kids in high school and learning how to be confident together, which again, we can get into that story if you'd like.
00:12:08.000How did you learn how to be confident?
00:12:10.000We're both originally from Kansas, Overland Park, Kansas.
00:12:13.000We met in band camp when we were 14 years old.
00:12:29.000But it was so bad to the point where I had to carry around these Tums, the anti-acid pills, to just honestly pop before each time I would go into a new classroom.
00:12:39.000And just in case I got called on, I just wanted to make sure I wasn't freaking out internally.
00:12:44.000And so we bonded in band camp because we were both these shy kids that didn't know how to talk to anybody.
00:13:34.000Well, there's an important lesson there, and it's a lesson of honesty.
00:13:37.000Because some people want to pretend that they don't feel that way, and if you pretend you don't feel that way, but you really do, you're never going to fix it.
00:13:44.000So if you try to play cool, then you're just, like, setting yourself up, and you're in a trap.
00:13:50.000Because now you have to admit, somehow, down the line, that you were full of shit back then.
00:14:09.000And so here we are sitting right here.
00:14:12.000No, it was really like, I mean, there wasn't that many things to do in Kansas besides exploring abandoned places and then going to the mall.
00:14:19.000So we decided, okay, what's going to help us with confidence?
00:14:23.000And Colby and I would literally like have my dad like this is before I had a car so my dad would drop us off at the mall and I told him come pick us up at clothes and me and Colby would go back and forth and give each other challenges we're like alright I'm gonna tell you to go do this really horribly embarrassing thing out in front of other people and you either do it or you do a hundred push-ups And then he'd say yes or no.
00:14:45.000And I was like, okay, and then vice versa.
00:15:03.000And so, yeah, we were just looking up YouTube videos.
00:15:07.000Honestly like as embarrassing as it sounds like how to pick up girls how to talk to people like how to be more social and stuff like that And then we take the things that we learned and then we'd go to the mall and throw ourselves in like the most uncomfortable situations Just like get out of our comfort zone and like really take chances and like gross people.
00:15:22.000That's actually very smart It's a that's the way to do it because people are terrified of those interactions with people that make you uncomfortable But if you just like seek them out over and over again you eventually Get comfortable being uncomfortable.
00:15:40.000If you are comfortable with failure, then you can do anything.
00:15:43.000Because then you just keep failing, keep failing, keep failing until one day you succeed.
00:15:47.000The problem with failure is a lot of times people let it define them.
00:15:51.000They think of themselves as a failure because of not succeeding.
00:15:57.000Instead of thinking yourself as a human being who's learning and growing, you think of yourself like, oh my god, I'm the guy who dropped the ball.
00:16:09.000I'm the guy who flunked out of school.
00:16:11.000I'm the guy who, you know, the girl broke up with me.
00:16:13.000You start thinking of yourself as like a person who fails.
00:16:19.000You don't think of failure as like, like if you're playing a game and you're learning a game, What you're doing is you're trying to figure out how to be successful, but you're still you, right?
00:17:00.000But that's good that you guys decided to do that, because that's a really clever way to deal with the inevitable awkwardness that everybody has when they're young.
00:17:11.000Especially in high school and especially being in Kansas.
00:17:14.000We were in the suburbs of Kansas City, so we weren't in total cornfield type thing.
00:17:20.000But we definitely were probably 10 minutes away from farmland and things like that.
00:17:24.000So like Sam was saying, all there was to do out in Kansas were go to the mall on the weekends, or we had a bunch of abandoned places as well.
00:17:31.000So that's how that ties into later in life.
00:17:51.000Where we grew up was definitely a bubble.
00:17:53.000Us starting to travel was the best thing ever for our personality and our understanding of the world.
00:18:00.000Getting out of Kansas was like, you have to.
00:18:02.000I talk for a living, but when I was younger, I was very awkward, and I really had a hard time talking to people, like, to the point where I'd get anxiety if I had to go to the bank, because I knew that I had to go to the bank teller, and I knew how to talk to the teller, and I can remember going, like, what am I fucking scared of?
00:18:16.000Like, why is this bothering me so much?
00:18:18.000But I was just scared to just talk to someone who's in a position of power or someone who's, you know, a position of authority.
00:18:26.000It's weird now, can I think about it, because I'm so comfortable talking to people.
00:18:29.000What's weird is I think so many people think that everyone cares.
00:18:33.000But spotlight effect, like you are living your world.
00:20:20.000Even our family at some points were like, what?
00:20:23.000I don't understand this, but once we learned how to become confident, we felt like, and especially being 16, we felt like on top of the world, like we could do anything we wanted to.
00:20:32.000And so being a 16-year-old mindset and having the social status of us being the band kids and just always wanted to fit in and be popular, We were just like, well, why don't we, you know, YOLO, you only live once, as cheesy as that is.
00:20:46.000It's like, why don't we try to become famous in real life?
00:22:49.000And it's like, we were about to graduate high school.
00:22:51.000And so we heard about all the people out in L.A., all the collaborators.
00:22:55.000And I don't know if you remember, but there is this, like, massive apartment building with all the Viners that were all collabing together.
00:23:02.000And we're like, Maybe we should go out to LA. So I took a trip out there just for like a week and said, okay, is this the spot to go?
00:23:08.000And we got back and asked our parents, like, hey, can we just not go to college and, you know, pursue this thing full time?
00:24:22.000It was like on the cusp of like, you know, LA rent is a lot.
00:24:27.000And so like when we were thinking about it, $3,000, $5,000 to survive out in LA per month, we're like, I don't know if we can actually make that on Vine.
00:26:37.000Covers over everything, and we were just living very, very, like, we can't spend any money whatsoever.
00:26:43.000We only had one car out there, so it was just grind mode.
00:26:45.000As soon as we got out there, the difference between us and a lot of social media kids that do try to make the journey to LA is we knew we had to prove ourselves, and we knew we had a year tops, and so we were doing everything we could to be entrepreneurs and start side businesses and stuff like that, come out with merch,
00:27:02.000just anything we could do to generate revenue.
00:27:04.000So it starts out with, you start doing these Vines, and then you move to YouTube, and was it immediately the abandoned building thing, or did you do other stuff?
00:27:13.000We did YouTube, like trendy stuff, like challenges or whatever.
00:28:33.000So she tells me about it, and then she makes me watch a bunch of the videos, and I'm like, how do these guys get started?
00:28:39.000Like, how does this happen where you get to the point where now you're ghost investigators?
00:28:45.000What's crazy is, like, we never envisioned ourselves to do that.
00:28:49.000Like, we had a really, like, deep-seated interest in, like, the abandon.
00:28:54.000And, like, you know, that was the only thing to do in Kansas.
00:28:56.000So we, like, spent most of our friendship in high school exploring abandoned places or creepy buildings or haunted houses.
00:29:02.000And so were you—these abandoned buildings, were you, like, going over the history of this place?
00:29:05.000Like, this used to be a factory or this used to be a school or— Back in the Abandoned days, it was different.
00:29:12.000Again, we were trying to find ourselves on YouTube.
00:29:14.000And so the best thing for us was just to be like genuinely excited about something because we'd be doing these couch videos, doing these challenges and just hating what we were filming.
00:29:22.000And so just capturing like so a lot of like what was already existing on YouTube at that time with Abandoned was like more documentary style where people would like Start their video inside the place and then just have like a very slow paced like this is what it's all about and then goodbye.
00:29:40.000But what Sam and I wanted to do was like film the adrenaline side of it like film us running up to the place hiding from the guards like hiding from police.
00:30:00.000Like, well, and even in Kansas, like, when we first started, what we realized is, you know, being young-looking kids that are doing this and, like, we kind of got better and better at it, like, we figured out, okay, we can talk our way out of the cops, like, every once in a while.
00:32:51.000But they took out like all my piercings and stuff like that, said goodbye to Sam, like we were in like a big waiting room.
00:32:57.000And so when they brought me to the back, the first night was, I only stayed there for one night, but like that night was super scary.
00:33:04.000But for the rest of the time, like, long story short, like I got moved to another pod, like a felon pod because I had three under my name.
00:33:14.000And I asked the deputy, he was super nice, and he could see that I was uncomfortable being there, of course, and I was just like, what should I do?
00:33:20.000And he said, dude, honestly, I would just go grab a book, go to your cell, and just lay low.
00:34:30.000You know, broke down each other's walls and stuff and he was becoming like a friend, actually.
00:34:34.000And then he was like, well, I'm gonna go back out to the pod because there's like a main area where everybody can like hang out where there's like basketball and places you can watch TV and stuff like that.
00:34:43.000And I was like, okay, I'm probably just gonna chill here.
00:34:45.000And he was like, no, no, you should really come with me.
00:34:47.000Like, I have a lot of friends in here.
00:34:49.000I've been in here for, like, a few months.
00:34:51.000And so I was like, alright, okay, why not?
00:34:55.000And so this guy, I just took a chance with this situation, but this guy, like, took me under his wing, like, introduced me to, like, all of his friends in jail, and we played, like, basketball.
00:36:52.000And in terms of numbers, just so you know, like we were getting on the abandoned videos, like a little less than a million.
00:36:57.000So like 700, 800 K, which we were very happy with.
00:37:00.000But after we got arrested, we knew we couldn't do like the illegal stuff anymore.
00:37:04.000And so, um, Well, during the Abandoned Days, and we can get to the story in a second, but we went to the Queen Mary and had our first haunted experience ever.
00:37:12.000And so it just made sense to us that, well, this is a legal thing.
00:37:36.000So what was really interesting is we did a lot of the abandoned stuff, but every once in a while we would do like a haunted thing because those creepy stories and, you know, the lore of everything is really interesting, whether or not you believe it or not.
00:37:49.000At that time we didn't really believe in any of the ghost stuff.
00:37:52.000We're like, all right, this is going to be a great video because everyone loves telling the stories.
00:37:56.000But we just got, I don't know what it was, but someone forwarded us something saying that for the first time in 30 years, The Queen Mary in Long Beach, which is like one of the most haunted ships, like New York Times, like top 10 most haunted places in the world.
00:38:24.000They have a ton of different attractions there.
00:38:26.000But there's this one room, B340, that hadn't been open for 30 years, and allegedly they closed it down because there's multiple unexplained murders and or suicides in that room.
00:38:40.000And we're like, whoa, like, you know, this is the first week this is open after 30 years.
00:38:44.000This is going to be an amazing story to tell or, you know, video film.
00:38:47.000And so we went in there trying to make something or like trying to get something.
00:38:51.000We obviously didn't really believe that much.
00:38:53.000So we're like, all right, let's just see if it happens.
00:38:55.000If there's going to be a haunted location, it will be this.
00:38:59.000We toured around, did the whole thing, weren't getting much.
00:39:03.000And we were kind of frustrated at that point because we're like, all right, this is supposed to be the cream of the crop.
00:39:40.000And as soon as we turn, like, actually we're about to, like, Get out of the room, the faucet turns on, full blast for four seconds, and then turns back off.
00:39:49.000And we all actually freeze and freak out.
00:39:52.000Two of our roommates that were there at the time just immediately started crying.
00:39:55.000We ran in, we were like, okay, how is that actually possible at all?
00:39:59.000Maybe that's a sign of it doesn't want to be filmed, and it doesn't want us to leave.
00:40:04.000So maybe let's just not film this and try one more time, just for the heck of it.
00:41:22.000But apparently, one of our friends, he's like super religious, was like, hey, no matter what, the entire night, he was keeping an audio recording in his pocket.
00:43:01.000And so we're like, okay, so this thing doesn't want us to leave, and maybe we should just, like, ask questions under our breath for the rest of the time, just so we know it's not some employee, it's not someone, like, screwing with us the entire time.
00:43:11.000So fast forward to the very end, we were like, okay, we've had a bunch of conversations.
00:43:17.000At this point, we really believe if this is truly something, I want to know something about something deeper than just yes or no questions or just, like, something silly of, like, how many people are here.
00:44:21.000But that also just depends on what you believe in.
00:44:24.000Obviously, like our roommates were very, very Christian, very religious.
00:44:27.000And so when they heard the Knox saying no, they thought it was just kind of like, A sign from, like, a demon to, like, steer us away from God.
00:45:31.000But at that time, we'd gone to so many scary places.
00:45:34.000We'd, you know, tackled a bunch of, like, life questions, philosophical questions throughout our time together, and we were like, okay, like, after asking about it, like, for me, I was, like, losing, like, faith in something else.
00:45:44.000I was like, okay, maybe we're just the only things out here.
00:45:48.000And after that moment, I had, like, a full-on, like, breakdown the next day.
00:45:53.000Like, I, like, I was, like, everything that I had thought was not real now becomes real.
00:45:58.000And I had, like, pretty much lost any sort of, like, faith at that point.
00:46:03.000But there is even a video of me online, like, sitting on my bedroom floor, like, crying to camera saying, like, I truly didn't believe.
00:46:09.000And now this instance opens up this whole world.
00:46:12.000Like, maybe I don't immediately believe 100%.
00:46:15.000But the question of if there's something else out there is now back in my brain and I want to chase that.
00:46:21.000And so after the whole arrest and going to the haunted stuff that was like it wasn't necessarily we were like a thousand percent believers the second we like had this experience.
00:46:30.000But it was so intriguing because it was one of those things that we couldn't explain.
00:46:33.000We told this story so many times and the audio of this actually happening in the Knox is online.
00:46:49.000Just the idea that it could be real and the idea that it could happen again is what's so intriguing and is why we got into it.
00:46:56.000We're like, okay, if we can just keep doing this and keep getting more and more proof, that feeling of hope of like, okay, there is something else out there.
00:47:03.000And it is not just, okay, we're just going to live and die here on the planet.
00:47:07.000No matter what you believe in, no matter what religion you have, it's like...
00:48:27.000Like, our final stint, which was actually last year, we hadn't gone back in three years, but we wanted to, like, the Queen Mary actually shut down, which was sad.
00:48:41.000They're trying to, like, raise money and, like, get it back up, but...
00:48:44.000So we thought this was the last time we'd ever see the ship, so we're like, let's go say goodbye to the thing that literally started this whole adventure for us.
00:48:51.000And so Colvin and I went back alone to this B-340.
00:49:09.000And again, we were so skeptical that Sam and I, when those knocks first started to happen, we were looking under things.
00:49:15.000We were like, this room has to be bugged.
00:49:16.000See if you can find anything about that room.
00:49:18.000Find anything about the Queen Mary room 340. Yeah, it's B340. B340. So, they told you that there was multiple murders that took place in that room?
00:49:28.000Yeah, I mean, if you pull up a picture...
00:49:29.000Imagine that you guys were just like an hour away from killing your roommates.
00:50:10.000So, Bloody Mary is, like, this challenge that a lot of people used to do, like, as, like, children or whatever.
00:50:15.000You, like, go in front of a mirror, turn the light off, have one candle, spin around three times while saying Bloody Mary, Bloody Mary, Bloody Mary.
00:50:32.000And so this room, is there any documentation that people actually died in that room?
00:50:38.000Yeah, I was going to say, I'm curious, because when we went there, again, we were very different than where we're at now.
00:50:45.000We didn't do super extensive research.
00:50:47.000What we did is we would take the article that it says it is, but obviously we're not going back and fact-checking that, and then we'd go and talk to the employees.
00:50:55.000And so most of our stories were all first-hand encounters with the employees that were there.
00:51:00.000Or things that they would tell us rather than, you know...
00:51:36.000But the problem is there are so many people that say they've seen it over so many years.
00:51:43.000Literally hundreds and hundreds of years.
00:51:47.000It makes you wonder if there are multiple dimensions and if you are a physical body that's carrying around a soul, where does that thing go?
00:52:00.000Yeah, if energy doesn't die, where does it all go?
00:52:02.000And what happens if something horrible takes place?
00:52:25.000And who's to say, like, you know, we know, like, you know, whether or not maybe a lot of people believe a soul passes on, but what if that's just not true and all souls stay here?
00:52:52.000But she always like, but there was a guy that was staying with them for a while after my parents, my mom and my uncles moved out of the house.
00:53:02.000They took in like a board, a boarder, like a guy that my father knew and you know, he paid them to stay in one of the rooms.
00:53:10.000And he was up in the attic and they had like the attic set up as an apartment and he died.
00:53:15.000And my grandmother used to go up there and she said sometimes he would talk to her.
00:53:21.000Like she would have these experiences where she's like, I know he's still up there.
00:55:26.000A lot of people dismiss that idea, but I think it's like 50% of the United States or something like that believes in ghosts or believes in the afterlife or something like that.
00:55:36.000It's like everybody you talk to will have something where maybe it's not paranormal, but they'll have a situation that they can't explain.
00:55:42.000They don't know how the drape fell off in the beginning.
00:56:57.000We're honestly trying to do this to prove to ourselves because of the crazy experience we had a long time ago.
00:57:02.000So we had, at least for the first year of us doing a haunted exclusively on our channel, we had no equipment.
00:57:10.000Most of the time we'd go in documentary style and just interview people, walk around these hotels or buildings and be like, why is it haunted?
00:57:18.000And then try to test that same theory.
00:57:20.000A lot of times we would get stuff, sometimes we wouldn't.
00:57:24.000But it's all been a learning process, especially as we go.
00:57:27.000There are some points that we'll go a stent with a couple months of, I don't know, we haven't had anything actually blow our minds in a while.
00:57:41.000We're also just coming up with more theories in our head of what we actually do believe with the paranormal.
00:57:47.000For example, right now, we 100% believe in energies and stuff like that, and there's no question that you can walk into some places and it's just a different vibe.
00:58:14.000It's, like, been, like, just out of corner of the eyes and stuff like that.
00:58:16.000You know, there's some scientists that believe that things carry memory.
00:58:20.000There's a guy named Rupert Sheldrake, and he has this theory of morphic resonance.
00:58:24.000And part of his theory is that he thinks objects themselves contain some sort of memory, whether or not you can access that memory, but that objects contain memory.
00:58:35.000And he cites that as one of the reasons why people can feel things.
00:58:41.000Like if you were going to a house where someone's been murdered in the house, there's a reason why they have to tell you.
00:58:48.000They have to sell, well, by the way...
00:58:51.000You know, like, if someone gets murdered in the house, I think, I don't know, like, for how long after the, and it probably varies by state to state, but I remember in California, like, you would have to tell people if someone got murdered in the house.
00:59:37.000That it was the parents and the Boulder Police Department botched the investigation because they weren't really – Boulder is a pretty peaceful place.
00:59:44.000They're not used to murders, especially not murders of children.
00:59:48.000And also, like, it exposed people to how weird these child beauty pageants are where you're taking a little girl and you're putting, you know, high-heeled shoes on her and short skirts and sexy makeup.
01:00:55.000The scary part about it was that was the accusations that the mother did it.
01:00:59.000They brought in these handwriting experts, and the handwriting experts compared the ransom note with the mother's handwriting, and they were trying to say that the mother wrote the ransom note.
01:01:25.000So in Villisca, Iowa, there was this serial killer that came in, apparently, and small little town, a couple thousand people or whatever, a little house, and somehow this guy was able to come into the house and Kill two parents and six kids all in one house with an axe.
01:03:17.000And the most gruesome part about it is the killer used the blunt side of the axe.
01:03:23.000So you can still, because we went there to investigate, you can still see the axe markings in the ceiling when he was going back to go down.
01:03:31.000And again, it's so weird because there was like...
01:03:33.000On the top floor there was like the parents room but then right like five steps down a wooden creaky hallway was the children's room where there was four of them and then there was two more of like the third daughter's friends that they were hanging out with that were downstairs that got murdered as well.
01:03:49.000So how is it possible that he was able to get to all of them with the blunt side and just and like broke like did he break in or was he hiding like in the attic?
01:04:58.000And what's really interesting is the two main suspects that a lot of people talk about were not the ones that we ended up talking about in our video.
01:05:07.000Just because right before doing research on this location, we saw this author that just came out with a book about a serial killer.
01:05:16.000And she thinks she solves the Villisca X murders because that same exact style of murder was actually this serial killer that went from Midwest Town to Midwest Town on a train.
01:05:28.000And it's called the man from the train.
01:06:29.000You know drug the family beforehand or like chloroform them or something and there was no sign of like any any drugs like used so here according to the book the man on the train he they describe him for being responsible for up to Let's see They're feeling certain that Mueller committed 14 family murders totaling 59 victims,
01:06:50.000less certain varying degrees of his involvement, and another 25 family murders totaling an additional 94 victims.
01:07:11.000I'm just looking at the Wikipedia that breaks down the book.
01:07:15.000The style of the murders were so similar.
01:07:18.000And the two other main suspects that they had hadn't murdered anybody previously.
01:07:23.000And so this guy just coming in train by train to all these different cities.
01:07:27.000Yeah, the other suspects were just like not as intense, I guess you could say, where it was like there was like this one guy named Jones, I believe, who was just a businessman that maybe had like some rivalry in business with the family.
01:07:41.000But wouldn't, you know, result to like murder for that.
01:07:44.000And then there was also just like a creepy reverend who was like a peeping Tom sort of character that was just like the town creep that everybody thought it was.
01:07:51.000Here's the main thing on why I guess they think that.
01:07:57.000Yeah, according to the Jamises, a number of murders in the period were assumed by local police to be one-off incidents were actually committed by a single person, probably Mueller,
01:08:12.000based on certain similarities among the crimes.
01:08:16.000The similarities include The same being within a few hundred feet of railroad junction.
01:08:24.000Okay, so that's the book's title, it says.
01:08:27.000The slaughter of entire families in small towns with little or no police force.
01:08:32.000And the families having a barn which the killer is believed to have hidden to observe the families.
01:09:40.000Yeah, that's the thing with some of these places.
01:09:42.000It's not necessarily like, oh, like, you know, immediately you're just like, oh, yeah, this is spiritual energy or whatever like that, but it's just heavy.
01:09:48.000Or it's just like you feel off when you go into these places.
01:09:52.000Like, as soon as you stepped into The Conjuring House.
01:09:55.000Have you ever seen The Conjuring movies?
01:10:14.000Some people claim their mediums and can communicate more.
01:10:17.000I feel like I have more of like an empathic, like almost, like I just feel worse, like whenever there's something around.
01:10:25.000And so when we first walked into The Conjuring House, like there was a point where I thought I was going to throw up and I was looking for exits.
01:10:33.000What's the real story behind The Conjuring House?
01:10:37.000So, yeah, the movie story is like this witch, Bathsheba or whatever, but the actual story, there's a bunch of different things that they say are haunted, but it's actually built on the grounds of the- Is that the house?
01:11:11.000The most famous we'll get to, but it's built on the same grounds that the King-Philips War was fought on, right at the beginning of the United States and everything.
01:11:21.000So the main people that haunt that are seven dead soldiers that this little girl always kept seeing in the walls and thus it started manifesting more to the entire family.
01:11:33.000So this family called the Perrin family bought the place in 1972. And for 10 years, they said they would see these figures, these soldiers walking around.
01:14:08.000The Perron family actually wrote a book about that.
01:14:10.000And they say the Conjuring movies actually don't do it justice of all the things that happened and all the movements and the craziness that happened in that 10 years that they lived there.
01:14:19.000They were like, in the real life, actually experiencing it and the trauma they went through, they say it's like 10 times worse.
01:14:26.000And so they feel like it was dead soldiers, like murdered soldiers on the battlefield?
01:14:33.000Well, here's where it gets interesting is they don't know what it is, but they believe it is something more evil or demonic, whatever you believe in, that is like controlling all of these like soldiers and stuff and trapping them.
01:14:45.000Movie goes with that's a person named Bathsheba who was like a neighbor who everybody just thought was a witch.
01:14:51.000But in real life, it was just known as a demonic possession, but no trace back.
01:16:38.000But it's a very famous abduction story because There was a bunch of eyewitnesses, and there was witnesses that saw the spacecraft that were in the town.
01:16:47.000He was a logger in Arizona, including people that hated him, who backed up his story.
01:16:56.000So they saw something, and this area where they were logging, there had been sightings.
01:17:02.000Like, multiple sightings of UFOs in the past.
01:17:06.000And they saw something go through the sky and into the trees, and they pulled the truck over.
01:17:14.000This guy, Travis Walton, who was a young guy at the time, he was in his early 20s, jumps out of the car, runs over to this thing, and there's a flying saucer, like a classic flying saucer that's hovering over the ground.
01:17:45.000They run, they get in the car, they drive off.
01:17:48.000And then they're screaming and yelling at each other as they're driving off, like, we gotta go back and get him, we can't fucking leave him there.
01:17:53.000So they go back, they go back to the same spot, he's gone.
01:18:21.000And his story was that they took him aboard this spaceship and repaired him.
01:18:27.000That he got damaged by this burst of energy that came off of this spaceship and that they repaired him and that he communicated with these beings.
01:18:37.000And these beings are what everybody describes as these classic gray aliens.
01:18:44.000These things with these big heads and these large eyes and there was different types of creatures that were on this spaceship too.
01:18:52.000For the rest of his life, now he's like in his 60s, maybe 70s, and that's him.
01:18:57.000He came on the podcast, very nice guy, but now he's the fucking wacky UFO guy for the rest of his life.
01:19:03.000Like Travis Walton could have been a normal guy and had a normal life and never experienced that.
01:19:09.000Like, would you rather Be the person who has the unique experience that nobody believes or never have that experience where you could just live a normal life.
01:19:20.000I would 100% rather have the experience, I think, because...
01:19:23.000Okay, maybe not the UFO experience, but the reason I think deep down that I'm so intrigued with the paranormal and, like, these experiences is because, in a way, it gives me hope of something, like...
01:19:38.000I'd rather, instead of not believing in anything and just being like, alright, I'm just going to die and sit in the ground for the rest of my life, or for the rest of eternity, I want to, even if it's a little notch of faith that there's something else out there, I'd much rather have that experience.
01:19:55.000I think, you know, there's going to be people that judge you for what you believe, no matter if it isn't ghosts or like even talking religion and stuff like that.
01:20:03.000So you might as well just stay true to, you know, the things you actually experience.
01:20:09.000It's kind of like giving, like you said, like a little bit more hope of what comes next.
01:20:14.000Do you guys feel that with your experiences that you've had, they're limited in terms of like you haven't had anything like The Conjuring House happen to you, but you've had enough happen where you've been around enough that you have questions?
01:21:09.000But there are so many things that we've seen that are like, okay, that makes me want to inch a little closer or try it again or do it again.
01:21:17.000There's that spark of like, oh, I cannot explain how that happened.
01:21:22.000What's the most profound one that you guys have experienced?
01:22:15.000And so for this specific one, I had the challenge of staying in the entire mansion by myself.
01:22:21.000And I was on the top floor in a room which was deemed to be the most haunted.
01:22:27.000Apparently a guy named Bernard had lived there in the past and basically was like Stuck in a wheelchair his entire life and stayed in that room and would like only look out the window and that's it and he died and apparently still in the room and so I'm up there and Sam is not even in the house I think you're actually in the cellar and then one of our other buddies is like across the street and earlier before we all did like the alone investigation the door as we were walking down the stairs of the Bernard Room Close.
01:22:58.000And we were all like, wait, did you guys hear that too?
01:23:03.000And so we obviously propped it back open.
01:23:05.000But since I knew that had happened before, I was just up there asking questions to Bernard.
01:23:10.000And I was just like, all right, Bernard, if you're really up here, why don't you slam this door right behind me like you did for us earlier?
01:24:21.000So basically it just detects changes in EMF energy.
01:24:25.000So like, you know, if nothing's changing at all, it won't do anything.
01:24:29.000But if there's something like movement or like, you know, new energy enters the room or something like that, it'll spike.
01:24:35.000And so that's like what a lot of the equipment is based off of.
01:24:38.000What's really interesting in the stuff that we do now is we try to integrate just more normal, like, everyday objects into our investigation because of the fact that a lot of people are skeptical.
01:24:50.000So, for example, one of the pieces of equipment that we use a lot is, like, a cat toy that lights up when you touch it.
01:24:58.000So we would put cat balls around and, you know...
01:25:00.000We've seen them sit there for hours and nothing happens.
01:25:03.000And then, like, one time we'll be like, alright, if there's someone in the room, can you go touch that cat ball 20 feet away from us?
01:25:09.000Well, I saw the episode that you guys filmed at that sanitarium.
01:25:13.000I don't know, you probably filmed many of them at a sanitarium, but you had a cat toy and you also had this little box with an antenna that comes out of it, like a circle.
01:25:23.000It's like a flat disc with an antenna and it was going off.
01:25:57.000So if something enters that electromagnetic field, it'll change the frequency.
01:26:02.000And that would mean that would actually go off.
01:26:04.000When it lights up like that, that means something is literally right next to it.
01:26:08.000So what was crazy is, I think, Colby, you sat there, I don't know, you put it down, and it was two or three minutes until it actually went off.
01:26:16.000To give context a little bit, the challenge was to go put the rim pod downstairs by this ball or whatever, and everybody else was upstairs, and we had to go alone and do it.
01:26:25.000And so I went down here, and I put this rim pod down, set up the camera, and then we're all upstairs.
01:26:32.000We should explain why the ball because there was a video of a ball sitting there by itself And you're watching this ball and it's not moving forever and then all of a sudden it just rolls by itself on its own.
01:26:51.000Like where was that ball and who set the camera up for that?
01:26:54.000So that wasn't our video, but the people that we went with who are our friends, that was their video.
01:26:59.000They had been to that place like three or four times and one of the times they had set that ball down because The story goes that the person, the spirit or whatever that is moving that ball is like a little kid.
01:28:43.000We went up two floors and down the hall and then it started going off, which was so monumental to us because it was like – Why, for the entire time that you were there, nothing's happening.
01:28:53.000But as soon as you leave, or as soon as I leave, like...
01:28:56.000Is there any conventional explanation that anybody's ever given you why that thing would just go off like that?
01:29:03.000Well, that's, again, we're no, like, expert in all this stuff.
01:29:06.000There probably might be for half the time.
01:29:09.000Like, there's definitely coincidences that happen in our videos.
01:29:12.000And there's a lot of things that we debunk and write up to be coincidences.
01:29:16.000It's the coincidences that happen so, like, linear to our questions, are perfect to our questions that make us believe more.
01:29:24.000So it's not like we believe everything that happens and we're like, ah, maybe equipment will get triggered by other things.
01:29:31.000It's also battery-operated, so, you know, some skeptics out there could say, like, maybe the battery's almost dead and it's just malfunctioning.
01:29:58.000And I'm like, what if you guys are opening up some fucking doorway to interactions with something or some kind of energy or some kind of life forms?
01:32:31.000So we had just learned about this too, like recently.
01:32:34.000But basically the theory is that if there's enough people believing in something...
01:32:40.000By just manifesting it in their minds, it becomes real.
01:32:44.000And so, for example, with this spot, it's like there's been so many people that have heard the dark history of Waverly Hills that maybe they're believing it into existence.
01:32:56.000There's so many people going there to ghost hunt, so many people hearing about the trauma of it every single day, that all that energy, that's just a theory, is trapped there as well.
01:33:11.000Do you believe in manifestation at all?
01:33:13.000Like, do you believe in where, like, if you think positively or think about something you want to happen in your life, like, it eventually turns out?
01:33:20.000The problem with those thoughts are...
01:33:22.000The people that tell you that have had positive experiences.
01:33:27.000So, like, if someone is a rock star and they said, I dreamed it into existence, like, okay, great, but you also had talent, you worked hard.
01:33:34.000Like, how many people, like, tried to dream it into existence, but it didn't happen?
01:33:43.000I think that visualization and it's possible that there's something more to thoughts than just here's a thing that I have in my head and I put it out there and, you know, it's just a thought.
01:33:56.000Maybe there's some sort of creative energy that's attached to thoughts that maybe we're not aware of.
01:34:03.000But I think The problem with things like The Secret and The Law of Attraction is that those very esoteric and fascinating concepts are hijacked by hucksters.
01:34:19.000And then assholes come along and tell you, Sam, I've got the secret to you living a happy, successful life.
01:34:26.000You can have everything you need by following my 12-step course.
01:34:32.000And then someone pretends that they have this sort of attachment to this to the point where they've documented it and they know exactly how it works.
01:35:28.000It's hard to say because it's all discussed by the winners.
01:35:34.000I had a photo of a house that I put on my wall and that was my vision board and I made that a reality and I built this business from the ground up with my own thoughts.
01:36:11.000There might be something to it, but it might be just an ingredient along with discipline and along with a plan and along with talent.
01:36:19.000But there might be something to dreaming things into existence.
01:36:22.000It's also, whatever you focus on will be what you work on.
01:36:26.000Whatever you focus on, as an accountant, if you're always looking for errors, you're going to see all the wrongdoings in your life because you're looking for errors.
01:36:33.000But if you're optimistic and you're always looking for positives, you're going to find more positives in your life.
01:36:37.000Well, this speaks to what we were talking about earlier about being young and failing a lot.
01:36:41.000If you concentrate on those failures, Then you think of yourself as a failure.
01:36:45.000It's very dangerous for people because I've seen it with people where they have a few bad experiences like in high school, like they fall apart a few times and, you know, they lose jobs, they lose this, they lose that, and then they're a loser.
01:36:58.000And then in their mind, they're a loser because they're concentrating only on those negative experiences they've had.
01:37:03.000Instead of like getting past that and growing and say that was a valuable life experience and that's caused me to reevaluate and reassess the way I communicate and change the way I think and caused me to get up earlier and work harder and that made me a winner.
01:37:19.000Because bad experiences are very valuable.
01:38:05.000There was this girl who was friends with a friend of mine, and she was at the Comedy Store one night, and she's like, I am, you know, I am so happy because I found the secret and I'm going to meet the man of my dreams and I'm gonna have the career that I've always wanted.
01:39:19.000Everyone wants to be on social media or TikTok, and everyone's like, oh, yeah, it's just easy.
01:39:22.000You post a video or something like that.
01:39:24.000But you don't realize how much work goes into it or how much you have to try and Be able to accept failure for months on months on months before you see anything.
01:39:34.000It takes a certain type of person to put themselves out there, which is a whole other topic.
01:39:38.000But it's so sad that this new generation is kind of like being born into where everybody has followers now.
01:39:44.000When Sam and I were in high school and we started popping off on Vine, it was frowned upon.
01:39:49.000We were not popular in high school whatsoever.
01:39:52.000But now it seems like, yeah, kids just are born into that where they have...
01:39:56.000You know, iPads at a super young age and have 10K on Instagram.
01:40:00.000TikTok is weird because they just make you have large following so that you'll be addicted to it.
01:43:34.000The question is, what do you do with that spark?
01:43:37.000How do you turn those embers into a roaring fire?
01:43:40.000And some people figure it out and some people don't, but that's the beauty of what's happening now, is that folks like you, who don't have any experience in Hollywood, you don't even have backgrounds in doing musicals and plays, like all of a sudden,
01:45:22.000Our thing that we're promoting is shared experience with our friends.
01:45:26.000We take all these different groups of friends all around the world, have a good time, and if something happens, it might be a life-changing experience.
01:45:34.000And when those things do happen, you bond with those friends so much deeper than if you just went to a coffee shop.
01:45:41.000I watched one last night with my daughter where you guys went to Romania.
01:46:10.000Yeah, the bottle of Dracula piss that you carried around with you.
01:46:16.000When you're in that guy's area, this guy, for people who don't know, Dracula, the book by Bram Stoker and all the movies, were based on this man named Vlad the Impaler, who used to eat lunch while he had his enemies writhing on spikes in front of him.
01:46:35.000He was notoriously a ruse, which by the way, Matt Stagg sent me this, that he had been captured by When he was younger, he had been imprisoned when he was younger and probably had been raped and tortured.
01:46:54.000Yeah, that's one of the reasons why he was such a ruthless person.
01:46:58.000When he was a very young man, I believe.
01:47:15.000It says, when Vlad was called to a diplomatic meeting in 1442 with Sultan Murad II, he brought his young sons, Vlad III and Radu along, but the meeting was actually a trap.
01:47:27.000All three were arrested and held hostage.
01:47:30.000The elder Vlad was released under the condition that he leave his sons behind.
01:47:39.000Under the Ottomans, Vlad and his younger brothers were tortured.
01:47:42.000Tutored, rather, in science, philosophy, and the arts.
01:47:45.000Vlad also became a skilled horseman and warrior, according to some accounts.
01:47:48.000However, he may have been imprisoned and tortured for part of that time, during which he would have witnessed the impalement of his, the Ottomans, enemies.
01:50:15.000You know, on that same trip, we went out to Romania, but I think right after Romania went to the Ukraine.
01:50:22.000And that was probably one of our most terrifying experiences because in Odessa, there is this giant, like, labyrinth of catacombs underneath the city.
01:50:55.000We met this random guy who was going to take us in because our original guide, like, broke his hand the night before, and he was like, oh, trust this dude.
01:52:16.000All those markings on a wall was apparently a story of a guy that got trapped in there and kept seeing that figure, that little shadow figure on the wall.
01:52:25.000And so he went crazy and wrote a ton of different things.
01:53:44.000We thought we were like, no way, you're just joking with us.
01:53:46.000He's like, no, if that goes off and you see another one, don't move at all.
01:53:51.000I will try to disarm it and we'll keep going.
01:53:54.000But the level of intensity for that night was so beyond anything, because we're like, okay, this is not just scary, we're getting lost, whatever.
01:54:40.000We land, it's like 8 a.m., 9 a.m., and we're hitting like our first spot, which is this giant hotel, giant like hospital, something like that, right next to the highway.
01:54:49.000And so basically we were just there to film our video, of course.
01:54:52.000One of our main things back in the day was we had these Explorer stickers that we go put at the top of each one of these buildings.
01:54:58.000And so we made our way to the roof and probably spent a little bit too much time on top of the building where everybody could see us.
01:55:06.000And so we knew we already had to, you know, lay low as we were like leaving and we're leaving this building.
01:55:12.000And as we go out, we see a lady on the property with an orange vest and she's walking towards us.
01:55:38.000And as we're trying to leave this like office building, what we thought, we had four officers run up to us right here, where this is like the front gate with guns saying like, get on the ground, like, you guys are so fucked, like all this stuff that we, we were like, whoa, whoa, we've, We've been doing abandon forever.
01:55:54.000We've been caught before, but never been held at gunpoint.
01:55:57.000Calls in, and then two or three more cops come in and circle us.
02:00:26.000But yeah, so anyway, so apparently this Dybbuk box is said to be able to trap a spirit inside of it and that way it's not gonna be haunting a location.
02:00:36.000I don't know exactly because a lot of these Dybbuk boxes are now like just fake random things that people put around.
02:02:01.000If you're in Vegas and you got some time during the day and you don't feel like blowing all your money at the slot machines, go there because it's really entertaining.
02:04:29.000At that location, just, you know, for example, so in Zach Bagan's museum, one of the most, if not the most haunted object in the whole museum, I don't know if you saw it, probably did, the Devil's Rocking Chair.
02:05:05.000Yeah, he had shut down that exhibit specifically because a lot of people were complaining about getting nauseous or throwing up or something like that.
02:05:16.000It's apparently the only artifact that he had to close off in that museum.
02:05:21.000But for some reason, he was super nice to us and was like, guys, besides me, no one's sat in that since the exorcism that had occurred on that chair.
02:05:31.000You guys can sit in it for the first time ever.
02:05:34.000And that was one of those times, like, we're down to push the limit and stuff like that, but that was one of those times that I actually, like, gather myself and be like, we can do it.
02:06:30.000Every once in a while we'll break into a radio station where it'll be like a song or something that like will be something saying or like just a word will pop out.
02:06:53.000I'm, like, watching him, and I'm asking questions out, and whatever's there is supposed to use the Estes method or, like, use Sam basically as the vessel to speak out.
02:07:04.000So, for example, I'd be like, like, are you here right now?
02:07:06.000And then he'd be like, yes, over there, or something like that.
02:07:09.000And so you're in this haunted rocking chair, and you're using this method with blindfolds on and the earplugs.
02:07:16.000Yeah, basically to sensory deprive myself so that no matter what, I couldn't be just faking an answer and hearing what he said and say something random.
02:07:24.000So the theory is, yes, there will be other random words that happen because it's radio frequencies.
02:07:29.000However, down to the coincidence theory, if things make sense over and over and over again to the questions that he's asking, then that is said to be more paranormal.
02:07:40.000So what did it feel like for you to be sitting in that creepy chair?
02:07:44.000So during that, it was a whole different world.
02:07:47.000But what was really, really interesting is like, like Colby said, after doing this a lot, like it takes a lot for us to have a physical reaction.
02:08:20.000So the feeling of being in hypnosis was almost immediate as soon as I sat down there.
02:08:26.000Not when I was doing that experiment, but prior to that.
02:08:30.000Where I couldn't necessarily feel my legs as much.
02:08:34.000And yes, if you gave me an ultimatum, if you have to stand up right now or you're going to die, I could stand up.
02:08:41.000But if you've been under hypnosis, it's like this pressure that you probably shouldn't do this or that your mind is being swayed to do something else.
02:08:48.000And to me, that pressure was don't stand up.
02:08:51.000So you felt like you were under a spell.
02:08:54.000And, like, the same thing with hypnosis.
02:08:56.000Like, I've been hypnotized before, and, like I said, if everything in my being wanted to stand up, yeah, I can stand up, or I can not listen to, like, what's happening.
02:09:04.000However, if you allow yourself to, like, feel that, the feeling was paralyzing.
02:09:09.000And, like, I, like, run a lot, so I always, like, use this as an example.
02:09:14.000It felt as though, within seconds of sitting down on that chair, I had run 5-10 miles.
02:09:19.000Like, it felt like I was sore, and, like, my legs were, like, really, you know, like the...
02:09:24.000Almost like sluggish feeling to your muscles after a big workout.
02:09:29.000That's what I felt almost immediately.
02:09:31.000It was so bizarre and I'd never felt like that before and still to this day, since that share, I had never felt like that either.
02:09:39.000So when it comes to all of your paranormal experiences, that chair was the freakiest to you?
02:09:45.000That chair was the most physically changing.
02:09:48.000Again, I think the freakiest moments are always at the beginning because it's the first time you ever hear anything.
02:09:54.000So that Queen Mary story was what changed my psyche the most.
02:09:57.000That one was the most physically reacting.
02:09:59.000Don't forget about the Robert the Doll.
02:11:14.000No, what's interesting is obviously there's all those stories, whatever.
02:11:18.000So what really gets us is when people have their own personal experiences that they come and talk about.
02:11:24.000What we didn't realize is how many people had experiences with this doll.
02:11:28.000They calculated to more than 10,000 people have written in apology letters to Robert to ask for forgiveness because of the curse that he put on them.
02:11:41.000Like, maybe even if 50% of those are bullshit, there are 5,000 people out there that genuinely believe they have been cursed by this doll by taking a picture of it.
02:11:58.000He has Parkinson's right now, I believe.
02:12:01.000And he blames that on Robert the Doll because the story is there's a big touristy shop at the end and he bought one of the little Robert the Doll plushies and put it in a microwave and just made fun of it and stuff.
02:12:14.000And then claims that he got Parkinson's because of that.
02:12:18.000Well, a lot of people get Parkinson's without that.
02:12:21.000Ozzy Osbourne blames Year of Hell on Haunted Doll.
02:12:30.000The Black Sabbath rocker was diagnosed with Parkinson's disease last year and underwent spinal surgery following a fall at his home.
02:12:37.000Makes the claim that his family's new reality TV show, the Osbournes want to believe.
02:12:44.000The show sees his son Jack, 34, trying to persuade Ozzy, 71, mom Sharon, 68, and sister Kelly, 35, To believe in the paranormal, including ghosts, UFOs, fairies, and werewolves.
02:14:30.000And he gave his first name and his clothes to this doll.
02:14:34.000And so the kid and the doll became best friends for years and years and years.
02:14:38.000And he basically embodied this guy and just became Robert himself.
02:14:44.000But over the course of his childhood and all the way up until I think he had left his parents' house to go to college, he would have horrible things happen to him because of this doll.
02:14:53.000And this doll was allegedly taken from, like, Germany at this shop, the same...
02:14:59.000It was called the Stife, the same company that created the original teddy bear.
02:16:42.000What's crazy is like this same guy, he went off to be an artist and he did his whole career.
02:16:47.000And when he was like in his older age, he came back to the house and for like 10 or 15 years, he kept this doll upstairs in his attic and put a whole like, you know, three foot version of his house upstairs.
02:17:00.000So like a short couch and a short desk, all for Robert.
02:17:57.000Like, what if, like, a demon can manifest itself inside of a doll occasionally?
02:18:02.000Just every now and then, a little fucking opening in the dimensions pops out, and this thing manages to, and it can't assume a physical form, but it can sort of embody itself in some sort of an object,
02:18:21.000Which is so terrifying, too, because, you know, when it's a little doll or something cute or whatever, like a lot of these things that you say is like a little girl spirit or something, it's like cute.
02:20:00.000When we were by Robert the Doll, just to finish that story, so we all split up, like Colby's saying, like recently we've been splitting up a lot.
02:21:43.000But what was scary is like so it was me and my buddy Nate that who we know since high school like he's been one of our best friends forever.
02:21:49.000So we've known Sam since he was 15 type thing.
02:21:52.000We've both never seen Sam ever act like that.
02:21:54.000It got so bad that Nate and I were doing our own individual investigations, and the guide came and got me, and was just like, yo, you should go check on your buddy outside.
02:22:05.000And I run out there, and what people don't always forget about is it doesn't just affect us in the moment, but we get done filming, and we have these things called paranormal hangovers where it affects us for a long time.
02:22:19.000Like days after, but this is, yeah, the moment.
02:23:57.000Black blood and gold or whatever like that, and then you die.
02:23:59.000So like you're experiencing their last moments?
02:24:04.000Yeah, so like the traumatic energy of the last breaths and the last times of all these people's lives was then reflected onto me.
02:24:13.000That might even be more fucked than Robert.
02:24:15.000I definitely think so, because the yellow fever, if you dive into that, is gruesome.
02:24:21.000Like I was telling you about my stepdad having that experience at Gettysburg, I would imagine that if enough people will die in an area, if that's real, if things can have a memory, you would think that there would be something that just lingers on.
02:24:37.000The last moments of your life, you're throwing up blood and you're realizing this is the end.
02:24:58.000It gets so meta and confusing because then, yeah, it's like if you're religious, it's like, well, you would go to heaven, but it's like, how do you know?
02:25:06.000Spirits don't have the opportunity to walk around earth for a little bit before they move on to the light.
02:28:13.000I didn't remember if there was alleged demons during the real life version.
02:28:17.000Yeah, it was like a normal guy and then he lived in this house and killed his whole family, right?
02:28:22.000And then there was a thing you broke through the wall.
02:28:26.000I remember, see if you can find the scene.
02:28:28.000There's like a scene where he breaks through the wall, and I remember that freaking me out as a 12-year-old going, like this idea of like, you know, your dad breaking through this hole in the wall.
02:29:46.000I think it was right after our arrest.
02:29:49.000And it wasn't like we got crazy equipment type of things, but we heard scratching sounds and different knocks on doors and stuff.
02:29:58.000And I think even one of our cameras flipped over or something.
02:30:01.000But that was four years ago or five years ago.
02:30:03.000What's interesting about the Stanley is there's this part that's literally in the front room called the vortex where there's just a bunch of mirrors on each side that are pointed towards each other and the theory is in the paranormal world that that can create a portal, mirrors facing each other or like spirits can become trapped through mirrors and stuff.
02:30:22.000And so that was like the coolest part of the entire place.
02:30:26.000It's known to be a Disneyland resort for ghosts.
02:30:29.000And so anything could like pass in there.
02:32:03.000Again, like, pictures, you know, are always, like, hit or miss, and there's a lot of times that, like, people will be like, oh, like, an orb or something.
02:32:10.000Bro, there are a million phony Bigfoot pictures.
02:33:18.000But he would, like, milk this for all it's worth, and he made a series of videos talking about the geometry that you could find in Cydonia is impossible to create in nature.
02:33:32.000There has to have been an advanced civilization that existed on Mars, and the government's hiding this from us.
02:33:52.000Because, like, I'm one of those people, like, I was convinced that the original Bigfoot footage, do you ever see the Patterson Bigfoot footage?
02:35:46.000And again, like we said, I don't think we're really on that wave of believing that I'm going to just video the corner and there's going to be someone there.
02:35:54.000There's one time that we ever got something that was convincing of us being like, maybe this is something.
02:35:59.000When our first time at the Conjuring house, if you just type in Sam and Colby Conjuring thermal photo...
02:36:10.000So, like, our buddy was pointing down, like, a thermal camera, and you can take a picture of it, and through this, like, gap, she sees, like, you know, there's a window at the end of the hall.
02:36:22.000She sees, like, a face, and she's like, what the?
02:36:42.000But like that right side is apparently like what we think is like a child's face with you can see a hair swoop, eyes, nose, two eyes, mouth, and then the corner of your shoulder right there as well.
02:38:09.000Our plan right now like obviously we love the haunted stuff and there's endless amount of spots and there's always more interesting things we can do and experiments we can get into or more alone investigations.
02:38:57.000I don't know if you guys are interested in it.
02:38:58.000True crime, all these unsolved mysteries are so interesting.
02:39:01.000We loved the Villisca shooting that video because Sam and I went super hard with research and we fell in love with that process of telling the story.
02:39:09.000And so why not create a storytime true crime channel?
02:39:12.000That's almost more fucked up to me because those are real stories that 100% people were killed by other people and it's just like, ugh, you have to sit with that.
02:39:24.000That and conspiracy theories and all these other things.
02:39:27.000There's millions of things in this mystery realm that aren't just haunted, which is exciting to us.
02:39:33.000As well as, like you said, other business ventures and part of it.
02:39:36.000But again, most of this recently has been much more about other people's experiences rather than just ours.
02:39:45.000So the majority of our content is taking other influencers or other people like that, maybe even sometimes they don't even believe.
02:39:53.000And giving them an experience that will, like, change the way they think.
02:39:57.000Like, we started out with our friends, like you said, like our hometown friends, and that was great and all, but now we love taking people that may not even believe, or maybe be on the fence, they're interested in this stuff, but then when they see these things, like, two or three times this last year, we took someone that had never had an experience before,
02:40:13.000and they come on an adventure with us, and they see, like, a full-on shadow figure.
02:41:40.000But it's also more interesting when you want things to happen.
02:41:43.000Because at the end of the day, like, the reason why we do this is because if we were to prove on either way, we'd rather prove that it's real because that means there's something else out there.