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00:00:42.000If you look at the timeline from when this cryptid, this howler popped up, it's right when the red wolf was starting to plummet in its numbers.
00:00:51.000And as soon as wolves plummet, they call to each other, right?
00:03:14.000I mean, there's a guy named Nick Mooney, who is like an incredible, that's Benjamin, the last living thylacine in the zoo in Hobart, Tasmania.
00:03:23.000A guy named Nick Mooney, who's like...
00:03:27.000A state biologist, a renowned naturalist and biologist who has no reason to make this up or anything, and he swears that he saw one in Tasmania about 25 years ago.
00:03:38.000And he's like, I know every animal in Tasmania.
00:04:19.000I think that's the barrier to entry, right?
00:04:21.000Anybody can go to Tasmania, drive down a highway and be like, oh, I looked and I didn't find it, which is basically what I did.
00:04:26.000But to get into those places that they could be extant...
00:04:30.000Requires helicopter support, refuels, tons of local ground support, you know, like local hunters and tribal people that know the land.
00:04:39.000And so it's a big, expensive operation to try and get into these places.
00:04:43.000And then, that's just getting in, then you'd pepper it with trail cameras, baited cameras, you'd do some scent trailing, some sound calling, you know, all these, I mean, you're a hunter, you know these techniques.
00:04:53.000Well, it's interesting because we know that mountain lions are real, but most people don't ever see a mountain lion.
00:05:17.000Like, if you're in Colorado or if you're in Utah, I mean, they have a lot of mountain lions, and it's very rare that you see one.
00:05:23.000So imagine if there was a very small population of mountain lions or Tasmanian tigers, and you went looking in a much more wooded area, much more dense environment.
00:05:38.000And if they were intelligent and cryptic like a mountain lion, which they probably were because they were at the top of the food chain, they know and they choose not to be seen.
00:08:14.000It's hard to remember because I've seen so many stupid fucking videos.
00:08:19.000But I seem to remember it looking almost like an ape person.
00:08:25.000I think, my opinion, and I'm not really, you know, I'm not really qualified to speak on, like, these humanoid cryptid things, but, like, we have Khoisan in southern Africa, right?
00:08:56.000From going out with a spear to going on a hunt and deciding to continue going, and then he crosses a road, you know, and now it's become a Bigfoot, Oran Pendek, or whatever, because he gets startled.
00:09:06.000Maybe he's doing something illegal or wrong or whatever and runs.
00:09:10.000Somebody catches it on their helmet cam, and now it's perpetuating into this big thing.
00:09:55.000I mean, you know, and there are across the human species, there are so many diverse looking cultures and tribes and peoples, right?
00:10:03.000We're all humans, but, you know, Aboriginal people, African people, Indonesian people, Asian people, we all look different, you know, and we all have You have these own distinct characteristics.
00:10:13.000And so to think about, you know, imagine being a Westerner or whatever, being an Indonesian like in that video, and then you see someone who looks so different than your own culture, and you're not expectant of it.
00:10:26.000It's very easy to let your imagination turn into this whole other species, this cryptic thing, versus like, maybe this is someone from a different tribe who's in a different area.
00:11:14.000Because I think that all these stories of Bigfoot, I think like the Native Americans have a bunch of different names for some creature that lives, some large hairy creature.
00:11:39.000And also, by the way, it could be the same thing as thylacine, going back to that, right?
00:11:43.000Like, they could have been in PNG, where these tribes are still talking about them 4,000 years ago, and this lore of the striped dog that sounds weird, that has this funny jaw, has been passed down generation to generation, To the point where somebody's out on a hunt or a walk and they see a flash and they go,
00:12:01.000oh, that was that striped dog my grandfather told me about.
00:13:24.000You see a house cat run across the road out in the woods, and it's black, and the perspective, you don't have any scale, and you go, I saw a black panther.
00:13:32.000But I mean, the wolf thing is interesting because it's like, you know, they're reintroducing wolves in different parts of America and now they're trying to do it to Colorado.
00:13:44.000And it's like, I hope you guys know what you're doing.
00:13:48.000Because this idea that you're going to be able to control their populations once you reintroduce them, you're not even going to find them.
00:16:06.000It's also based on disconnect, in my opinion.
00:16:08.000If you've spent time in the wild, if you've spent time, I don't care if you're fishing, hunting, hiking, camping, whatever, but somewhere that is really raw, you're like, holy shit, no.
00:17:04.000Dude, I went to a wedding in downtown Los Angeles a couple years ago, and there was a guy, probably had a mental illness, but he was like 6'5", walking down downtown LA, butt naked with this massive schlong just bouncing between his knees.
00:17:19.000It looked like a different species to me.
00:17:20.000I mean, this huge beard, like 6'5", massive dude just trotting down the street of LA. If you saw that in the woods, going in between the trees from a distance, you'd say, oh my god, there's giants in the woods.
00:17:48.000Yeah, I mean, it happens all the time.
00:17:50.000I remember there was this one guy who was famous in Maine for, he was a legend, that he would break into people's houses and steal their stuff.
00:18:01.000And then they found out that he was a real person.
00:18:04.000And he had dropped out of society in like the 1970s.
00:18:10.000And just decided to completely live by himself.
00:18:14.000Like, he didn't talk to people for decades.
00:18:45.000Undiscovered and unaided, breaking into camps to steal what he needed to survive.
00:18:49.000When he finally captured and arrested in April 2013, the story of the North Pond Hermit made headlines worldwide.
00:18:58.000But Knight spoke only to one journalist, Michael Finkel.
00:19:01.000In an exclusive excerpt from his new book, Finkel explains the origins of the whispered myth that haunted central Maine for decades, the legend of the stranger in the woods.
00:19:29.000So, from my understanding, during World War II, there was a crash in Guam from a dogfight, and this Japanese pilot or guy who was in the plane went and hid in a cave up on a mountain in Guam, and he spent until like 2002 living in this cave Thinking that World War II was continuing and he thought he had a better life living in a cave and living off of the jungle because Guam is like a hub for I think United or Delta,
00:24:59.000The point of food is nourishment, right?
00:25:01.000It's to keep your body strong and you continue to have energy, and yet we've completely abandoned that notion.
00:25:08.000In fact, so much so that we have the opposite problem, where we're over-nourishing, at least with fats and oils and things like that, constantly.
00:27:19.000After we hung out and you were doing that, I read Paul Saladino's book, The Carnivore Code, I think it's called, The Carnivore Diet, the one where he eats meat, fruit, and honey, and bases it, because he's been on your show before, right?
00:27:29.000Yeah, so I read his book, and I thought it was really interesting, you know, the whole idea of, like, those are the most sought-after foods in the world, and they are for most cultures, but definitely not all cultures, right, which I think is...
00:27:42.000It all depends on what the resources are, right?
00:27:44.000Yeah, I mean, if you're dealing with a culture that has access to an enormous amount of rice, an enormous amount of or cassava, or whatever those things are, you know, there's different things that people eat where they, you know, they just eat it because of convenience.
00:29:00.000Well, it's been proven that there's been a bunch of these people that are like fat doctors that are trying to tell you that there are no junk foods and it's really...
00:29:26.000Yeah, I mean that kind of food, maybe not those in specific, but those kinds of foods where they're readily available at supermarkets.
00:29:34.000In general, other than rice and some beans and some other stuff that you get in the center of the grocery store, all the shit around the edges is what you want.
00:30:14.000And it's really, like, a lot of the stuff, especially pasteurized and homogenized milk, there's a real good argument that that's not even good because your body's like, what is this weird liquid protein stuff?
00:30:25.000This is not, like, where's the enzymes that are supposed to be available in raw milk?
00:30:30.000So what's your feeling on like a protein shake?
00:30:32.000Like you're doing this carnivore thing, you're obviously getting tons of protein.
00:30:35.000You're not doing a protein shake as well, are you?
00:32:14.000That's why they're at the top of the food chain.
00:32:16.000So this is a personal theory that's grounded in nothing.
00:32:19.000But I would think when you're eating nothing but meat, which is going to spike your testosterone, it's going to make you feel and act more like a carnivore and less like an omnivore.
00:32:30.000And be more aggressive and be more dominant.
00:32:32.000Again, you've had people on the show far more qualified, but it's just thinking as a biologist who's studied carnivores, you see that aggression comes from a place of, it's cyclical.
00:32:45.000The food makes them aggressive, the aggression makes them acquire food.
00:32:49.000Yeah, I noticed that the first time I did it.
00:32:52.000The first time I did it, the very first carnivore month, I noticed, I was like, God, I feel a little aggro.
00:32:58.000But I also wonder, because that was when I went very strict carnivore, and I was having a really hard time working out.
00:33:18.000So it's like, I feel like if you just maintain, like if you get your body to a point where it's accustomed To, like, exertion, especially explosive exertion, jujitsu, kickboxing, kettlebells, like that kind of thing.
00:33:59.000I feel like crap, and I'm not strict on diet like you are or anything, but if I eat a big bowl of pasta or half a pizza, it's the same thing.
00:34:06.000You just feel like, I'm going to go sit on the couch.
00:35:57.000I have no allergies to a house cat that I've ever experienced.
00:36:02.000Rub a cat in my face, whatever, right?
00:36:03.000We don't have a cat, but I've just never been allergic to one.
00:36:06.000If I'm around big cats, lions, elephants, or sorry, elephants, lions, tigers, not that I've been that close to tigers, but with lions hands-on and stuff, I am dripping my nose, my eyes, everything.
00:36:19.000So I don't know what the divide is there, but yeah, I definitely have a major allergy to big cats.
00:36:25.000My daughter has a major allergy to horses, to the point where we were in Italy, and we got a ride on one of those horse-driven carriages in Rome.
00:36:34.000And we're like, oh, this will be fun, get driven around.
00:36:36.000And my daughter's eyes started swelling, and then we realized, like, oh, she's having a reaction to the horse, and it's up there.
00:36:43.000It's just being downwind of this horse.
00:37:21.000So we love Johnny, and we're working in this area that has these parasitic wasps.
00:37:26.000And these wasps are attracted to our headlights, because we're working at night, we're doing crocodile work.
00:37:33.000And so every night we're getting zapped in the neck and in the face, like one or two, whatever.
00:37:38.000My one cameraman, Mitch, he has a pretty bad reaction, puffy eyes, has to get the EpiPen, everything, right?
00:37:43.000We're hanging out at camp like one of the mornings after everything, you know, getting stung up every night, it blows, whatever, but it's not the end of the world.
00:37:51.000And you hear Johnny, our camera guy, hops out of his hammock and he goes, oh shit!
00:37:56.000And we're like, look, and he's dancing around like holding his junk, right?
00:45:48.000And not only just parasitic in terms of entering humans, but also they inject their larvae into plants and logs and shit.
00:45:58.000And can manipulate certain spiders, like the brain process, and like tarantula wasps, which we have in the States, are incredible.
00:46:06.000You know, they can come down, lay eggs into a tarantula.
00:46:10.000That manipulates the behavior of the tarantula, something about the chemicals and the brain chemistry, and then the eggs hatch out of the thing.
00:46:17.000I thought it kills the tarantula first.
00:47:43.000Yeah, I was finding these, um, hollowed out, I forget, like exoskeletons of mantises and all kinds of beetles that had mushrooms growing out of their heads, like weird, tentacly, yeah, and it was, um, you know, I only know about it what I've read about it and seen,
00:47:59.000I've never, it's not something I've been very deeply involved in, but the idea that a mushroom can manipulate the brain chemistry of a living creature It's unbelievable.
00:48:46.000Because if you see leafcutter ants, which I have in my neighborhood, leafcutter ants colonies that they have underground, where there are these sophisticated systems of ventilation, and they're literally fermenting leaves down there.
00:49:47.000I do a podcast called The Wild Times, and we were looking at this on The Wild Times podcast, and everybody that commented was like, there's a rope in the middle of that.
00:52:02.000I used to work at the California Channel Islands in front of Santa Barbara, where I live, and one of the projects that I worked on for way too long was ant eradication.
00:52:11.000So they were trying to restore the Channel Islands back to, you know, before human settlement and really just rewild them and keep them pristine.
00:52:19.000And the most difficult species to remove, hands down, were the Argentinian ants.
00:52:24.000So all over California, we have these invasive Argentine ants, and they, you know, on one boat or another, they'd made it over to the islands, and it's just like, how do you remove that?
00:52:34.000You know, it's easy to remove pigs or sheep or whatever from an island, because it's a closed-off area, but trying to remove millions of ants, I mean, it's just...
00:52:50.000Yeah, because they used to have a bunch of different species that someone had brought over there at one point in time, like elk and deer, and they killed them all from a helicopter.
00:53:00.000So there was elk on Santa Rosa, and then Santa Cruz, which is the biggest one, had sheep and pigs.
00:53:05.000I think goats as well back in the day.
00:53:07.000And then, you know, even Catalina still has bison.
00:53:50.000They get aware that there's a helicopter buzzing overhead and somebody's shooting them and they all start scattering and getting scared and it becomes harder and harder to get the last 10%.
00:53:58.000So 10% of the work is eradicating 90% of the animals and then 90% of the work is getting the last 10% of the animals.
00:54:05.000So, they do this thing called a Judas goat, where they go and catch a goat, put a collar on it, and then let the goat go, and the goat finds its friends 100% of the time, and they mow down all of the other animals and leave the Judas goat, who then pops over to the next group of goats.
00:54:20.000So, you're a real shitty friend if you're the Judas goat.
00:54:23.000Or you're just dumb as shit, and you're being manipulated by people.
00:54:30.000Anyway, yeah, so the Channel Islands, they got rid of all the sheep, got rid of the goats, if there were goats, I'm not sure, turkey, a few other things, but they couldn't get rid of the pigs.
00:54:38.000And so they brought in hunters for a while, they opened it up, pig guys came and shot them, and then they tried to get guys, I think actually from here, from Texas, to come and fly and shoot the pigs and stuff, and the Channel Islands, Santa Cruz Island in particular, is so canyonous and difficult, they're having a really hard time,
00:54:54.000and for whatever reason, they brought in these helicopter pilots from New Zealand, who fly the fjords down there, And I was lucky enough to work on some of these projects, so I was actually in those helicopters going through these slot canyons and stuff.
00:58:10.000So it just fucking decimated the populations of these places where these European settlers made through.
00:58:16.000That's the whole story behind the lost city of Z, you know?
00:58:19.000Well, I knew that the city went away, and Percy went to look for it with his son and his son's friend, blah, blah, blah, but I didn't realize that the idea that smallpox had wiped it out was the reason behind it.
00:58:30.000Well, the theory behind it is, and all sorts of diseases, not just smallpox, but that when the Europeans first came through, when they first reported about these immense cities...
00:59:19.000One of thousands of earthworks built by remarkable but little-known ancient societies.
00:59:24.000The Amazon prior to the arrival of Europeans in the Americas in 1492 is commonly depicted as a pristine wilderness dotted with small, simple communities.
01:00:26.000But I guess the difference being those were all native plants, right?
01:00:31.000So while the Amazon may have been cultivated by different tribes in the Amazon, they're not getting those plants or trees from anywhere but the immediate surrounding area, right?
01:00:40.000I mean, maybe not immediate, but within the South Americas.
01:01:57.000But if you think about it from a logical standpoint of when things are easy, it's easy to increase your population.
01:02:04.000When you're not fighting for survival every day because there's coconuts and palm trees and blah, blah, blah, blah, it's easy to reproduce and have more kids and grow a society versus when you're spending half of your life just trying to get by.
01:02:16.000That's an interesting argument that when things are easy that people don't grow or evolve.
01:02:20.000That seems weird to me because it would seem to me that once your resources were taken care of, once you have food and shelter, you have more time to think.
01:02:28.000So you have more time to make life convenient, more time to sell goods that would be valuable to people, more time to improve and innovate on those goods.
01:02:57.000Those are, at this time, and this is an older publication, I believe, those were the least developed societies in the world.
01:03:03.000As you get further away from the equator, you know, up into the Arctic, not the Arctic, but like up into Scandinavia and so on and so forth, you get more and more advanced civilizations.
01:03:13.000Because when there's a hard winter coming or it's just harder to survive, even though there's abundant resources, you need to adapt and overcome and develop in order to prepare for that winter, in order to prepare for a famine time period versus when it's all just available to you at any time.
01:03:30.000The reason why that doesn't make any sense is Egypt.
01:03:49.000Like the Nile Valley, they think, you know, 9,000 plus years ago was like extremely lush, which is one of the reasons why they were able to reach this high level of sophistication is because they had access to resources.
01:04:00.000Which aligns with the idea that the Amazon had the same things.
01:04:17.000Like, you could have it too easy, or you could have it to the point where there's plenty of food to hunt and gather, and you see no need to move out of the hunter-gatherer stage.
01:04:59.000It's really wild if you think if that is true, that how horrific that is that they just basically reset everybody back to the Stone Age.
01:05:06.000And if you think about, has that happened before, and will it happen again?
01:05:11.000I remember distinctly thinking, well, at first, I think I might have told you this story, when COVID hit, I was in Indonesia, and I was like, this is stupid, it's like bird flu, it'll all be over in 10 days, and boy, was I wrong.
01:05:21.000But I remember shortly after that, distinctly thinking, like, this might be the beginning of the collapse, right?
01:05:30.000Human population collapses like this is the plane that the planet has been waiting for this is our this generation of smallpox but it it obviously science and medicine overcame that at too fast of a rate and it really wasn't that lethal but it wasn't it was the fact that it wasn't lethal right even if science and medicine didn't do anything it wasn't gonna kill everybody off true true but I remember thinking because there's a lot of hysteria around yeah you know I remember thinking maybe this is it but I guess my point being do you think that that's gonna happen again It certainly could.
01:06:14.000It felt like the whole world was collapsing.
01:06:15.000The problem is there was an irresponsible level of fear that was promoted by the media because the media has an interest in getting you to pay attention to what they're saying.
01:06:27.000And that irresponsible level of fear, the problem with that is like even if they know what they're doing, they know that it's propaganda, people get sucked in and then they get scared forever.
01:06:40.000And if you don't ever give them good data and you're always exaggerating the threat and exaggerating the death number...
01:06:47.000Dr. Lina Nguyen, who was like the biggest proponent of, you know, shut everything down, shame the unvaccinated, cast them out of society, all that.
01:07:01.000She had a recent article where she said they overestimated the amount of people that actually died from COVID. And I think she said the real number is about 30% of what they're claiming.
01:07:17.000Because when you die of COVID, if you also have cancer, if you're dying of something else, but you test positive for COVID, they call it a COVID death.
01:07:35.000Dr. Lina Wen slammed after admitting there's been an over counting of COVID deaths two and a half years late.
01:07:40.000Wen claimed the actual COVID-19 death could be only 30% of what's currently reported.
01:07:47.000There's also been, I mean, I don't know how the system exactly works, but there's been doctors that explained what incentive there is to put someone on a ventilator, what incentive there is to prescribe remdesivir.
01:08:02.000Because it's all financial decisions, right?
01:09:31.000And there's still, still, after all these years, still, no encouraging people to take vitamin D. No encouraging people to lose weight.
01:09:40.000No encouraging people to take care of their overall metabolic health so that they'll have a more robust immune system and they can survive these things.
01:10:57.000And so that, like, and also the writing on the wall.
01:11:00.000Like, when we're looking back at this from five years from now, Or 10 years from now, we're looking at adverse reactions, and we're looking at all these different things, and what we did to kids, how we stunted their development by masking everybody and keeping them at home.
01:11:57.000It was right during the height of it all.
01:11:59.000And because he was getting out and climbing and doing something active during the pandemic, you know, when everybody else was sitting inside, his own fault for not wearing his helmet, so on and so forth.
01:12:10.000But just imagine not being able to say goodbye to your son in that situation because of that whole heightened, like we're talking about the heightened fear thing, right?
01:12:39.000But he died doing what he loved, though.
01:12:42.000He was an incredible climber and very passionate about it, so, you know.
01:12:46.000Yeah, I talked to Gabor Mate about that, who's an expert in addictions and trauma, and he thinks that people that are drawn to free solo climbing, like the Alex Honnold types of the world...
01:13:54.000But that thrill and rush I get of, you know, darting a bear or working with a lion or doing, you know, swimming with an anaconda, like, that fuels me for weeks.
01:14:03.000Like, I... I'm getting goosebumps thinking about some of them right now because I get so excited by, and it's not just for a personal rush, but rather, you know, we're doing it for work or whatever, but those moments stick with me forever.
01:14:15.000And I sort of get that, but not like, I'm just going to risk my life over this climb or whatever, you know?
01:14:22.000What are your thoughts on giant anacondas?
01:14:25.000Because there's always been this thing about enormous anacondas that live in the rainforest.
01:14:58.000But, you know, we've got all these wet tropical environments that house these huge snakes.
01:15:03.000In Indonesia, you have articulated pythons, you have Burmese pythons, you have African rock pythons, Indian rock pythons, anacondas, all these big snakes.
01:15:25.000These, that area is home to some African rockbites and stuff, but not big monster anaconda-sized ones, right?
01:15:32.000But during World War II, there was a colonel who flew over there, and this is a well-respected colonel.
01:15:39.000I'm sure, Jamie, you'll be able to find this very quickly.
01:15:41.000A well-respected, like, I forget, he had, like, his wings or his patch of honor or whatever, like, very distinguished, who him and his two passengers in the plane both reported a hundred-foot-long snake.
01:15:53.000They flew over it once, They were like, wait a minute, what is that?
01:15:57.000They were Dutch, Belgium, and the Congo.
01:15:59.000They flew over it once, went, what is that?
01:16:01.000And flew over it two more times to verify it, and got so low to the ground that they said the snake struck at the airplane, and all three people, the pilot, this well-respected colonel, and the two passengers had the exact same story of this giant snake in Central Africa.
01:16:48.000But the story's fascinating of these kernels...
01:16:50.000But they don't know, like, what kind of snake?
01:16:52.000They don't know if it was an anaconda or a python or...
01:16:55.000It would be an undescribed species because the only snake there, the African rock python, doesn't get that big.
01:17:00.000What is the biggest snake that we know?
01:17:02.000Oh, it says it measured approximately 50 feet in length, saw brown-green with a white belly, has a triangle-shaped jaw and a head three by two feet.
01:17:22.000I'm not sure, but that was the Colonel, Remy Van Lierd.
01:17:25.000As he flew lower for a closer inspection, the snake rose up approximately 10 feet, giving a warning that it would have attacked a helicopter if it had been within striking range.
01:17:36.000But imagine flying over and having a snake sort of lunge at a helicopter.
01:19:39.000That says it turns out to be a tall tail.
01:19:40.000It says, when Recreation Park in Indonesia put a huge reticulated python on show last week, keepers insisted to reporters it was 49 feet long, make it the longest ever caught, but the find turned out to be a tall tail.
01:20:00.000But not 50. Not 50. I have no idea why the snake has shrunk, said one keeper when asked about discrepancy as the snake lounged on a tree branch inside the cave.
01:20:11.000But things do shrivel up when you catch them.
01:20:43.000The reticulated python has been clocked as the heaviest snake in the world because they get fatter, but the anacondas have been clocked in slightly longer.
01:20:50.000I think 26 feet is the longest ever recorded.
01:20:53.000Did you ever see the Jennifer Lopez movie, Anaconda?
01:21:52.000Nobody in the Western world, we're not hearing about that.
01:21:55.000Those things can be happening, and those stories get embellished and passed on and all of that, but we wouldn't even know until Western science gets in there.
01:22:03.000And it's sort of a double-edged sword, because once it does, it sort of ruins certain aspects of that.
01:22:07.000But I do believe that there are big animals to be found still.
01:22:11.000And the sloth one, I watched a documentary on it once.
01:22:14.000It was this guy who was like risking his reputation.
01:22:53.000What was this that they said they ate?
01:22:54.000That was regarding that caiman, remember that yellow caiman?
01:22:56.000And we did find them, so that worked out.
01:22:58.000But literally, I remember we're walking through the village day one before we even get in the canoes, and I'm like showing people these pictures of all the different species of caiman, and I kept pointing to the...
01:23:09.000Trumpa Largo Amorillo, the long-nosed yellow one, right?
01:23:12.000And everybody's like, yes, no, maybe, one time.
01:23:15.000And then one guy's like, oh, those are delicious!
01:23:17.000And I'm like, oh god, can we put this on Animal Planet?
01:23:39.000I think that especially, you know, you say like especially with China where the eastern medicine and the status symbol of eating tiger whiskers and this, that and the other thing.
01:23:48.000There's a status symbol of eating something that's forbidden and very difficult to acquire.
01:25:33.000And it's funny because I feel like the whole Blood Diamond thing and, you know, there's been lots of these things, but...
01:25:40.000It all sort of went away because it got exposed, but I feel like no one's talking about the inhumane things that are taking place for our modern conveniences.
01:25:51.000It's one thing when it's a luxury, like a blood diamond, right?
01:25:56.000But when it's like, oh, well, I can't live without my iPhone, you know, then it's like we're willing to turn a blind eye to it.
01:26:02.000It's like people choose not to accept it because it's part of their life.
01:26:06.000Just think about how many people who consider themselves social justice warriors and they do this complaining on a phone that's made by slaves.
01:27:40.000Is that – what is – because I know there was some controversy behind that, and there's some people that sort of denied its existence, but then Carl Armand got photographs of them, and they obtained skulls that were a chimpanzee skull that had a crest.
01:28:23.000Sexual or rather natural selection that led to these animals being different and isolated and turning into larger, more aggressive chimpanzees.
01:28:52.000The difference is with this skull versus what they think the Bondo ape skull is, that the Bondo ape has like a bone mohawk down the center.
01:29:17.000So, you get a bunch of chimps stuck on an island, stuck in a region, and the females decide, for whatever reason, that a bump on the head is sexy.
01:29:42.000Because now, you fast forward millions of years, and the sexual selection has been selected for over and over and over and over, and you're starting to turn into a new creature, a new organism altogether.
01:29:53.000If I'm not, I don't think I'm incorrect here.
01:29:57.000I think the crest indicates enormous mandible muscles.
01:30:16.000Like, my dog is a golden retriever, the sweetest dog in the world, but he has a pretty big head.
01:30:21.000And the muscles in his head are big, on the sides of his head, because he has his testosterone.
01:30:27.000Whereas we met this other golden retriever that was fixed, and he has this narrow little tiny head, and it's because he doesn't have any muscles.
01:30:35.000So that's the difference of sexual selection, like the peacock, or what I explained, and natural selection.
01:30:40.000So if these Bondo apes are only eating, and I'm just making this up, and I know the theories of them killing lions and everything, but if they're only eating coconuts, let's say, right?
01:30:51.000They have to rip through a coconut with strong jaws.
01:30:53.000Well, if you got weak jaws or weak jaw muscles or weak mandibles, whatever, you're going to die.
01:30:59.000So over time, again, the only ones that are surviving are the ones that have this ridge on their head that are naturally being selected for stronger muscles.
01:31:08.000So they just think it's like a subspecies of chimp?
01:31:21.000We see insular dwarfism where things are stuck on an island and they get smaller and smaller because of the lack of resources or gigantism for the opposite reason.
01:31:29.000We see that all the time within species.
01:35:06.000This park in Siberia that they've been doing this experiment on as to what happens when you add megafauna back into the Arctic tundra to offset carbon emissions.
01:35:18.000And so they're using what DNA? They're using elephant DNA and mixing it with something else?
01:35:24.000So it's Indian elephant is the closest living relative to the woolly mammoth.
01:35:29.000And what does an Indian elephant look like?
01:35:36.000Indian elephants are typically the ones you'd see at the circus, you know, with the red, the pink in the ears, the smaller triangular shaped ears.
01:35:43.000So just a different species of elephant.
01:35:46.000And so they're taking Indian elephants, and they're using CRISPR technology, and they're using existing mammoth DNA, and they're making an embryo, and then they're implanting it into the Indian elephant, and 22 months later, an Indian elephant's gestation period, she will give birth to a mammoth.
01:36:09.000So it is, in the sense of what they do is, if you imagine like...
01:36:13.000If you imagine the DNA of an animal, right?
01:36:16.000And then you imagine the fragments that are broken out of it, right?
01:36:19.000What they're doing is they're taking that DNA of the...
01:36:23.000And I don't understand the cellular side of it very well.
01:36:25.000This is just my base level understanding of it.
01:36:27.000I can talk about the conservation side of it.
01:36:28.000But they're taking that double helix, that DNA, and all those pieces that are missing from the mammoth, they're putting in Indian elephant pieces.
01:36:37.000So you end up with an animal that is...
01:36:41.000Physically and morphologically identical to a mammoth, but has used all of the DNA from the closest living relatives in order to get there.
01:36:53.000And this process, how long does this take?
01:36:57.000So I think they've been going for about five years on the science, but the science of de-extinction and cloning, I mean, you remember Dolly the Sheep, right?
01:38:25.000And I can explain why the mammoths keep it colder, but by removing those mammoths, it's allowing that permafrost to melt much quicker and release more carbon.
01:38:32.000So the idea, from a financial standpoint of how they make money, is the carbon offset of putting mammoths back into the environment.
01:38:43.000Basically, when there's trees and shrubs, they take in more heat, and that heat transfers into the ground.
01:38:50.000So in this Pleistocene park, this park that they've been doing this experiment in Siberia for a while, they've put in a couple hundred animals that aren't mammoths, right?
01:38:58.000They've put in ox and reindeer and things like that, and they're knocking trees over with the tractors.
01:39:03.000And once they knock trees over and they simulate a mammoth knocking the trees and shrubs over, the fleet grazers are able to keep the vegetation from regrowing.
01:39:13.000So when the vegetation doesn't regrow, you get all this grassland, and the grassland has snowpack.
01:39:19.000The snowpack gets stumped, so there's no insulation.
01:39:31.000So once we removed all the megafauna from the Arctic, through hunting or maybe other means regardless, once they were removed, the Arctic got warmer.
01:39:39.000The Siberia and Alaska got warmer, and so slowly we're getting more and more carbon emissions from up there.
01:39:44.000But by putting these animals back, and I just love the idea of going up to the Arctic and it looking like the African savanna, right, with all of these incredible animals.
01:39:51.000But by putting these animals back, it in theory will make the Arctic colder, slow down the melting of the permafrost, which will in turn trap the carbon for longer in the ground.
01:40:01.000So they're going to start with the woolly mammoth.
01:40:16.000So there's, it used to be the quoll, but now it's an animal called a dunart that's the closest living relative.
01:40:21.000And so, you know, thylacines were around pretty recently, right?
01:40:24.000I mean, we're just looking at video of one.
01:40:26.000So they have really good DNA from the thylacine, and then they're going to use the existing DNA from a dunnart, which is a very small marsupial, put them together, remake the thylacine.
01:40:37.000The only problem is, my understanding is, they cannot use the dunnart for surrogacy because the dunnarts are like this big.
01:40:43.000So they have to do an artificial womb and all of that.
01:40:45.000But yeah, I think the technology is there.
01:40:54.000Even three years ago, if you're like, hey, we're bringing animals back, we're going to put mammoths back in the Arctic, you're like, shut up!
01:43:27.000They're going mouth-to-mouth with each other.
01:43:29.000If you're camping in Tasmania, which I've done for thylacine searches and stuff, and you hear that, it is the most blood-curdling, terrifying, and then they're this big.
01:43:39.000But you hear this and you're like, something is going to rip me to shreds.
01:46:38.000That image you saw for a split second there, that's what they, not all, but that's what a ton of them look like in Tasmania with this rampant mage.
01:47:17.000So that mammoth steppe environment, those grasslands, used to range from Spain all the way to North America, like all across the Bering Land Bridge.
01:47:26.000And all that ice was like trompled and blah, blah, blah, all these savannah lands that are now big forests.
01:47:32.000Are you aware of the Alaskan boneyard?
01:49:28.000And it probably wiped out most of the animals that we're thinking about, like North American megafauna, like 65% of them were wiped out somewhere around that time period.
01:54:02.000Scroll back up, please, so I can read that, Jamie.
01:54:05.000It says, Bison used to number in the millions on the Great Plains, but animals in conservation herds now stand at around 31,000 and are considered near-threatened.
01:54:13.000Because most conservation herds are less than 500 on small landscapes, the species is listed as ecologically extinct, meaning bison no longer play their critical roles in shaping prairie biodiversity.
01:54:25.000So what they want to do is bring them back.
01:54:29.000And allow them to influence the environment and help the ecosystem.
01:54:33.000Only an estimated 360,000 bison were made in North America today.
01:54:37.000Of these, less than 10% live in conservation herds.
01:54:41.000Most of the bison on the landscape today are raised for commercial purposes.
01:54:44.000And what's really crazy is they got down to almost extinct.
01:55:50.000And they were getting the skins from some of them later on.
01:55:53.000But a lot of it, they were doing it for the tongues.
01:55:55.000Well, and I don't know if you know this or not, but the majority of the reason they killed him was in order to diminish the survival of the Native American people.
01:56:06.000That was the big motivator, at least in the early days, to kill bison was because it allowed the Native Americans to survive off of that animal.
01:56:52.000When you look at the size of the piles of bones they were standing on, and like that they didn't see how fucked up this was, I don't believe that.
01:57:02.000You know, we always say, oh, we didn't realize.
01:57:04.000Like, we thought it would last forever.
01:57:06.000I don't believe, especially because it happened in one generation.
01:57:11.000I don't believe that those guys, whomever they were, whether they loved hunting, didn't love hunting, loved shooting bison, whatever, I don't believe that they couldn't tell that they were having a massive impact.
01:57:46.000And his belief is that When you look at the millions and millions of bison that were in North America at one point in time with these massive herds, he's like, that is not historically...
01:58:02.000It's not what people initially saw when they first came to North America.
01:58:09.000And he believes the reason for that is that the Native Americans, when they got knocked down by 90%, They were the primary predators of the bison.
01:58:47.000You know, there's quite a lot of species throughout history that have gone extinct at the hand of man that were already, even without man, not even Native Americans.
02:00:43.000Yeah, they said they'd black out the sky right here, right here in Texas, yeah.
02:00:47.000So, one, they were hunted tremendously, but the main reason that they totally went extinct was they were such a flocking bird that once their numbers were reduced to the point that they couldn't have such large flocks, they weren't successful any longer.
02:01:03.000So they weren't able to continue their normal behavior once their flock density got too low.
02:01:09.000So it wasn't like they shot every, I think they did shoot every last passenger pigeon, you know, like, they shot the last one, but it wasn't the last one because they had shot every single other surviving one.
02:01:21.000It was the last one because we shot them up, and then their population started to decline, and once their population got to a certain, like, capacity, they no longer had the ability to behave the way that they had typically behaved in these huge flocks, and that was making them unsuccessful.
02:01:37.000How did they not know that they were on their way to getting rid of them?
02:01:40.000How did they not know that that was happening?
02:02:14.000There are small little successful stories, don't get me wrong, but on a grand scale, we are losing the conservation game.
02:02:21.000So radical conservation, I don't care what it is, coming up with crazy science experiments and bringing stuff back, putting wolves in the else's, whatever it is, trying something is better than not trying anything and continuing down the path we've been going.
02:02:33.000The only animals that we're really good at conserving are the ones we want to eat.
02:03:10.000I'm pro-hunting when those funds are used the right way.
02:03:14.000They can be mismanaged, and they are all the time, especially in places that are more corrupt.
02:03:18.000It's actually amazing the job that wildlife biologists have done in this country and conservationists have done in this country.
02:03:24.000They're really pretty goddamn good at setting up the correct number of tags and making sure that the habitat is preserved and allocating that money for rangers and wardens and making sure that these people monitor these animals and stop poaching.
02:03:56.000Oh, there's only 12 of them left or whatever.
02:03:58.000Now we're going to put in all this effort.
02:04:00.000It's like being preventative instead of reactive is the ticket moving forward.
02:04:04.000And we are starting to make that shift.
02:04:06.000I am so interested in seeing what they decide to do.
02:04:09.000If this really takes off in Siberia with the woolly mammoths, if they reintroduce them, not just in Alaska, but then bring them into Montana and bring them into the lower 48, and then start reintroducing other things.
02:04:22.000If they can figure out how to do that with a saber-toothed tiger, that would be fucking weird.
02:04:29.000They're talking about, I think, I might have these numbers wrong, but I believe their 10 or maybe 20 year goal is 600,000 mammoths over like 1.3 million miles.
02:04:39.000So covering that whole, you know, because the thing is...
02:05:49.000It used to be legal to hunt with a spear in Alberta until a guy killed a bear with a spear and made this awful video about it and it was a big deal.
02:05:59.000And then Under Armour got in trouble because they didn't support these people.
02:06:04.000They weren't even really sponsored by Under Armour.
02:06:07.000These people, since there was this recent thing with them with poaching and they got...
02:06:13.000Accused of poaching and I think they got sentenced to probation and they're not allowed to hunt in certain states, but it's like, why would you hunt with a spear?
02:06:22.000Like, hunting with a bow and arrow is very effective.
02:06:24.000If you're disciplined and like, I am very accurate with a bow.
02:06:28.000I can shoot, I shoot an index card that I set up at a target regularly at 85 yards.
02:06:51.000But if you do the work, and if you are disciplined enough, and if you practice enough, and if your technique is right, You can be very, very effective with a bow.
02:07:01.000I mean, you can go out there and see all the skulls I have.
02:07:03.000I mean, I've seen a lot of elk with bows and arrows and a lot of deer.
02:07:18.000You know, I mean, unless you get the drop on one that's sleeping, and you're like five feet away, and you chuck it right through the ribcage and kill it quickly.
02:07:27.000The likelihood is that you're going to wound this thing, and then you're going to chase it down, and then you're probably going to stick it again.
02:07:34.000Right, and it's miserable for everything.
02:07:35.000Yeah, this guy, I think the spear he threw it had a GoPro on it.
02:09:00.000I have had an ongoing, I don't know if you've seen any of this on my Instagram stories, I haven't posted on my page, but I have had an ongoing battle with a mother black bear and her cub.
02:09:13.000I've lived there for 15 years, I saw one once on a hike on a hillside, and then six months ago, I wake up, there's all this ruckus, you know, I'm fast asleep, I'm like, what's going on?
02:09:23.000The dogs bark, and I head outside, and there is a black bear on top of our chicken coop ripping the panels off.
02:09:38.000And we have an acre, and so it's pretty spacious, but it's all fenced in.
02:09:41.000This black bear has torn through our fence, come in, ripped the chicken coop to shreds, killed my kid's favorite chicken, killed all the other, you know, we have like 20 chickens.
02:09:50.000Well, we did then, now we have like five.
02:09:52.000And it has just been gone through these chickens.
02:09:54.000And so I scare that bear off, I'm like, that was an anomaly, it'll never happen again.
02:12:07.000So the amount of human-bear interactions went up so much, by over 200%, that they had to reinstate the bear hunt within two years of him being the governor.
02:14:09.000As a matter of fact, my friend Bruce said that one of his neighbors, someone shot a crossbow through a deer and it went through their window and stuck into their wall.
02:16:47.000And he travels all over the world Eating with tribal people and going to exotic locations and eating their foods and it was amazing.
02:16:59.000He spent time with the Hadza in Tanzania and he spent time with all these different tribal people where they killed a goat and they're scooping up the blood, the coagulated blood and swarping it.
02:17:52.000But for whatever reason, these people have developed a taste for it, which is really fascinating.
02:17:55.000But it probably goes back to what we were saying earlier, which is, have they developed a taste for it, or do they just know that it's that good for them?
02:18:02.000So their brain is telling them, because of the options available, eat it.
02:18:27.000It's become trendy again, too, and maybe it's just the pages that I follow or whatever, but I'm seeing way more of the eat animal organs that consume every part of it now than I ever did even a year ago.
02:18:37.000I think that started off with Paul, Paul Saladino, and then it moved its way to the liver king.
02:18:43.000And unfortunately, I think there's a lot of people that were duped into thinking they could actually look like that guy if they were eating raw liver and raw testicles.
02:18:52.000But the message of eat those things is a good message.
02:21:00.000Him and Paul Saladino both were partners in one of these companies, whether it's Ancestral Supplements or the other one, where they sell desiccated or dehydrated liver and heart and kidneys.
02:21:33.000It says it's got testicle in it, but I don't see anything about testosterone.
02:21:36.000Yeah, but I mean, the actual testing of it, not from them, from someone else.
02:21:42.000But I think that's great, that people are choosing to eat these things, not just for their health, but the fact that there's much less animal waste.
02:21:49.000It's not all just going to dog food and things like that.
02:24:33.000I think that, you know, if I had a diet of exclusively bluefin tuna, I'm certain I'd get, you know, mercury poisoning, foggy-headed, you know, all the things that come from that.
02:24:43.000But as long as you're varying it, you know, and you're not, like, I think being pescatarian with wild apex fish, like, there's certain choices, right?
02:24:51.000Certain fish have much lower mercury levels than others.
02:24:54.000And it's the apex ones, the ones that are the predators, they're the ones who get the higher fish content or the higher mercury content because they're eating all these other fish that spend a lot of time in the depths of the ocean where the heavy metal poisoning is.
02:25:15.000This is very vague, but every fish has the same amount of mercury.
02:25:18.000But if you're a fish at the top of the food chain and you eat a thousand small fish, that's all that mercury is accumulating because it doesn't dissipate.
02:25:26.000Versus if you're a fish lower down in the food chain like a sardine, that's just eating microorganisms and algae.
02:25:32.000It's not accumulating a lot of mercury.
02:25:34.000It's interesting you say that because I tested positive for arsenic from sardines.
02:26:38.000And there's a lot of concern that when they're going over to Japan from Hiroshima and things like that, they're picking up a lot of radiation, and that's actually activating the mercury, right?
02:26:50.000Yeah, so there's been published studies on this, and I don't know exactly how much it's affected in those fish, but the fish going over there undeniably have higher amounts of mercury than the fish over on the west coast of the United States.
02:27:28.000And what's crazy, before we talk about how much time is left, scientists predict that eight years is all it would take to bring it back to 100%, or maybe it was 98%.
02:29:17.000There's just so many goddamn people and so much need.
02:29:20.000I mean, if people were forced to gather their own food and hunt for their own food, and you had a few months out of the year that all you did was hunt and fish, and then you stored it all and stockpiled it.
02:29:33.000You know, we'd have a completely different thought about, like, where food comes from.
02:30:01.000It's my favorite food in the whole world.
02:30:03.000But I still try and make smart choices.
02:30:05.000Like, I try not to get five orders of bluefin tuna for the obvious reason that that's typically bluefin tuna that's getting wiped out, right?
02:30:12.000But it's because I'm connected, because I go diving, and I love the ocean, and I see those fish.
02:30:16.000And so I just think people need to connect to nature more.
02:30:22.000It's just such a new thing, too, that human beings live in these massive population centers, like Los Angeles and New York, and are so removed from the process of where their food comes from.
02:30:48.000And they're disgusted by the process, and yet those are the same people that are going and eating it.
02:30:53.000Well, and they're the same people, if they're not eating fish and meat, they don't understand what monocrop agriculture is doing to the earth.
02:31:45.000So they hadn't been seen for like 30 years, and there's this incredible professor I worked with, and she pointed me in the right direction, then we worked with the right people.
02:31:53.000There's me right there in the Dracula Monkey.
02:31:56.000And anyway, yeah, so we went and found this guy.
02:31:58.000But the point being, we landed in Borneo.
02:32:01.000We drove for two days to get to this primary piece of jungle.
02:32:05.000For two days, all we saw was oil palm.
02:32:40.000And again, I love Nutella, but I try not to buy it because I've been to Borneo and I've seen it.
02:32:45.000I'm not saying everybody can do that, but at least I've been connected to it enough to now try and make those decisions.
02:32:51.000And it's just, man, that monoculture and seeing it.
02:32:54.000And then you get into this tiny little patch of virgin jungle, right, that's like, whatever, a couple hundred miles or whatever, tiny compared to the island.
02:35:23.000I'm glad you're thinking along those ways, because I think if you did a show and just did it on YouTube or did it on some other platform, I mean, you'd probably have way more views even than you're getting off of the networks, because people just aren't watching TV like they used to.
02:35:39.000People are really fascinated by the internet.
02:35:41.000They're watching things on their phones, they're watching Apple TV and Netflix, and that's where people are getting it from the internet.
02:35:55.000It's very like talk show, you know, but we talk about wildlife news and what's happening in the world and started to do some content for it.