In this episode, Ben and Joe discuss the striking similarities between the ancient capital city of Atlantis and the Rishat Structure in the Sahara Desert of Mauritania, which is a geological feature that is said to be volcanic in nature. And what's even more striking about this is that it just so happens to match more than a dozen striking similarities to what Plato had described as the Lost Ancient Capital City of Atlantis. In fact, there are so many similarities that it could be hard to even begin to scratch the surface of the similarities between these two cities, much less compare them to each other. This episode is brought to you by Bright Insight, a YouTube channel that focuses on uncovering the secrets of the ancient past through the lens of archaeology, history, and history's most ancient civilizations. To find a list of our sponsors and show-related promo codes, go to gimlet.fm/sponsorships/OurAdvertisers/Become a supporter today using the promo code: CRIMINALS at checkout to get 10% off your first purchase of $10 or more, and receive 10% discount when you enter the discount code CRIMENTAL10 at checkout. We're giving away a free copy of our newest ad-free eReader edition of our new book, CRIMENDS: The Lost Ancient City: A Guide to the Lost City of Lost Ancient Rome, coming soon! on all major podcast directories, including the New York Times bestseller, The Lost City, The New York Review, and The New Yorker. Learn more about our newest episode of CRIMELT, The Dark Side of New York Magazine's newest podcast, Conspiracy Theories. Subscribe to our new podcast CRIMEXCLUSIVELY! Subscribe, Like, Share, and Subscribe on iTunes, and leave us a review on Apple Podcasts! and become a Friend on Podchaser! Subscribe and Share the podcast on all of the social medias, and subscribe to our other podcasting platforms! Thanks for listening and share the podcast! Ben and I hope you enjoy this episode of Conspiracy Theory and share it with your friends! Timestamps: Ben Bergman and the rest of your thoughts on this episode Cheers, Timestories: Ben & Joe talk about Atlantis, the lost capital city? of course, of course you'll get a discount code for a chance to win $10,000!
00:01:11.000Spectacular about this is that it just so happens to match more than a dozen striking similarities to what Plato had described as the lost ancient capital city of Atlantis I almost feel like we're not going to do your video justice by just talking about it because the video is so good and you go into so many details by the end of it my jaw was dropped I was like holy shit like from what you had the last time you were on the podcast to what you put out now It's even more compelling.
00:02:16.000The first thing I do now is I show them a picture of the wrist shot.
00:02:18.000And I've never, not once, ever come across one single person that has seen or heard of it before.
00:02:24.000Other than people who are familiar with what I've shared.
00:02:26.000But there's so many things, like where the water flows to the south, where there's clear evidence of water erosion that took place after the volcano.
00:02:38.000There's so much that points to that possibly being Atlantis.
00:03:35.000But what we do today is we pass down names, right?
00:03:38.000Like people like, oh, my dad's name's John, and so is my son.
00:03:42.000And so it's another striking similarity, but it goes further than that.
00:03:45.000Like there's geological similarities, such as the fact that Atlantis was said to be made up of red, black, and white colored stone, which is another similarity you see at the Rishat structure.
00:03:54.000It was said to have an abundance of gold and that the outer walls were lined with it.
00:03:58.000And it turns out that Mauritania is loaded with gold.
00:04:01.000And not only that, the richest person ever known to exist in all of mankind is Mansa Musa of the Mali Empire, which consisted partly of modern-day Mauritania.
00:04:11.000And he was so rich from gold that he would be richer than Elon Musk and like Bezos combined almost.
00:04:17.000Like many unfathomable amount of billions of dollars.
00:04:34.000There was said to be an abundance of elephants, which is one reason why to suggest that Atlantis would have been in Africa is because, well, besides the fact that elephants are known to be throughout Africa, there used to be in Mauritania.
00:05:31.000It is—if you take all the North American Great Lakes combined, that's 94,000 square miles of surface area, whereas Megalake Chad was 139,000.
00:05:45.000Additionally, Atlantis, the capital, was said to have a river that went just north of it or next to it, and the Tamanrasat River— Went right through the Rishat structure or just north of it, went all the way to the Atlas Mountains that I described, which is in modern-day Morocco.
00:06:01.000And the evidence is that it existed at that same period of time when Atlantis was said to be around 11,600 years ago prior to its destruction.
00:06:12.000So going back to my point, like a lot of people see the Sahara Desert and they don't realize that this place was unbelievably different than it is today.
00:06:20.000And one of the things that's so important is that I know some people listening will, you know, they hear Atlantis, they think, oh, it didn't exist.
00:06:26.000Whether it existed or not, the evidence that we're going to chat about today to show you that there is conclusive evidence, I would say, that catastrophic water erosion that the ocean had blasted through the Sahara Tens of millions of years more recently than previously known.
00:06:42.000According to the science, 56 to 66 million years ago was the time of the Trans-Saharan Seaway, which was the last time the ocean blasted through it.
00:06:50.000However, there are a few lines of evidence that say otherwise.
00:06:54.000Besides the fact that anyone that looks at the Sahara Desert through the Google Earth app, you can see fluvial striations, which is signature traits of water erosion.
00:07:04.000This is confirmed by other experts that look into these things.
00:07:11.000He's someone that's analyzed the area and has said, yes, this is catastrophic water erosion.
00:07:17.000So one of the signature lines of evidence that suggests that the ocean blasted through it far more recently was the largest volcano in Sahara Africa is in Chad.
00:07:31.000There's a lava flow that goes through it that is dated at 12,000 or so years ago.
00:07:35.000The volcano itself is supposed to be somewhere between 1.2 and 2.3 million years ago.
00:07:40.000But if you look at Mount Kusi to the south, you can see, and I don't know, Jamie, if you're able to bring up one of the photos of that mountain chain, but you can see that the water erosion cuts off that lava flow directly to the south.
00:09:07.000That is a lava flow that's dated around 12,000 or so years ago.
00:09:11.000And regardless of whether the volcano or that water erosion happened 12,000 years ago or 2 million years ago, that in itself is evidence that the ocean blasted through the Sahara Desert literally 50 to 60 million years more recently than previously known— And the implications of this,
00:09:28.000as far as climate science, as far as the topic of geology and cataclysms, cannot be overstated.
00:09:34.000I mean, does it not look like that lava flow was cut off by whatever type of erosion that is?
00:09:58.000It's just like you could really clearly see that it looks like a line, like a water line passed through what was marked by the volcanic eruption.
00:12:00.000It's something that Graham Hancock speculated about in his work with the Temple of Horus at Edfu.
00:12:06.000They also have catastrophic flood myths and things like this, but it may be that whatever prior civilization, and that might have been where the dynastic Egyptians actually got their origins from, because it seems clear that they've inherited some things from the past.
00:12:32.000Plato didn't just – Plato, his distant relative Solon had traveled there in search of knowledge because Egypt was the place to go for it.
00:12:40.000Yeah, it was the priests of the delta that told Solon.
00:12:42.000And they said that, yeah, so 6,000 years – or 9,000 years, sorry, prior to the time of Solon was when the sinking of this city happened.
00:12:53.000600 BC, so 11,600 years ago, which is bang on exactly where now the geological evidence points to basically the end of the Younger Dryas cataclysms.
00:13:02.000We know something happened at the start at like 12,800, 900 years, and then 11,600 years ago was that end of the Younger Dryas that brought us up out of the cold spell and into the Holocene.
00:13:13.000Isn't it crazy that that's a full thousand years and we think about it in like the same time period?
00:13:50.000And if you think about the people that lived 1,000 years ago and how they lived.
00:13:54.000You know, all of this that I've learned from Graham Hancock and from Randall Carlson and from you guys, all of it is so astonishing and it all fits into place.
00:14:55.000It's something plopped down in the Indian Ocean, and it washed up these mega tsunamis on the coast of Madagascar and Western Australia that we can see in satellite images today.
00:15:04.000It's got these like 500, 600 foot high chevrons from where the water went miles inland.
00:15:08.000And they found organic material from the seabed in these chevrons, and then they date that with carbon-14 dating, and they put it right at 5,000 years ago, so 2,500 around that time BC, which is actually a really interesting date when you consider some of the publications that we rely on in our modern civilization today.
00:15:29.000The Bible, the Old Testament, wasn't written long after that.
00:15:31.000And if you think about where the Indian Ocean is, that could have been the source of the biblical flood.
00:15:35.000That would have washed up north into the Persian Gulf, flooded the hell out of that whole region.
00:15:40.000It's just crazy that it's happened so many times.
00:16:55.000More than 30% of all landmass at that time was charred, burned.
00:16:59.000They claim that it's more fires than existed in the time of the dinosaurs.
00:17:02.000Now, I don't know if—that's an article I read on Science Alert.
00:17:05.000I don't know if they can truly prove that, but if nothing else, 30% of all landmass existing today was burned and scorched to death at that period of time.
00:17:14.000That, like, helps people to wrap their heads around, like, the world was on fire.
00:17:17.000Yeah, that's the younger, driest, Matt.
00:17:20.000They estimate as part of the burning, because there was floods and fire, and this correlates to a lot of origin myths from cultures all around the world.
00:17:28.000But yeah, 10% of the biomass, I think, is the 9% to 10%, which is an inconceivable number.
00:17:33.000That's how much of the world was burnt, and that's now embedded in this black...
00:18:23.000I think there's some evidence to suggest that some of these, like Derinkuyu in Turkey, in the Cappadocia region, could host tens of thousands of people.
00:18:33.000There's massive labyrinths all over Egypt beneath Saqqara.
00:18:36.000There's miles and miles of tunnels and catacombs.
00:18:41.000And even when you look at sites like Gobekli Tepe, there's been some interpretations of the artwork on that site that seems to indicate a cosmic calendar.
00:19:33.000Something wild that it's popped back up in my head, speaking of flooding and this 11,000-year timeframe, going back to the Rishat structure, there's a study that I came across that ties into the video that we were just mentioning, that off the west coast of Sahara Africa, right in front of the Rishat structure, there is an underwater seafloor slide dated at approximately 11,000 years ago,
00:19:53.000and keyword approximately, the very symbol is in there.
00:19:55.000So they're not entirely sure the date, but in that timeframe.
00:19:59.000Looks like in the shape that was blasted from a flood of water coming out of the Sahara, just based on the nature of the shape of it, that's more than 200 miles wide and maybe 130, 140, 150 miles from north to south.
00:20:13.000And it's layered sentiment that is 2,000 meters, excuse me, more than a mile deep, and it's layered.
00:20:50.000Just to put this into perspective, from going from east to west, based on this 200 mile, the widest point of the Florida Peninsula is 150 miles.
00:21:01.000Like, this is more than 50 miles wider than the entire state of Florida panhandle.
00:21:46.000Treaties from 1851 from England and Mauritania that list a few things.
00:21:52.000It talks about, one, that abundance of gold.
00:21:54.000It lists that—well, actually, let me back up—salt.
00:21:57.000They used to export gold out of Mauritania to Europe, and that's one of the locations.
00:22:02.000And also, gold, it said that prior to the gold rush of North America back in the 1800s, Europe got most of their gold supply from Mauritania as well.
00:22:15.000Which is an interesting point, because if that was a site of Atlantis, which was said to be so rich in gold, what an interesting similarity.
00:22:21.000Go back to that image again, please, Jamie.
00:22:24.000What's really fascinating, too, is the description of Atlantis of having that opening to the south, and then you see this clear pathway.
00:22:37.000The shape of Atlantis, like the concentric circles, the amount of them, earth to water, the way the representation of it as described, the mountains to the north, like everything lines up.
00:22:51.000And not only that, all that salt is all...
00:22:53.000If people play around with this on Google Earth, you can check the elevation by using your mouse.
00:22:57.000All the areas with all the most significant amounts of salt...
00:23:00.000Happened to be at the lowest elevations, which I think is corresponding evidence that seawater had settled and later evaporated there.
00:23:07.000And as you see here, you can see it rips through the entire Sahara.
00:23:10.000And if you look at their study that's showing the Trans-Saharan Seaway of 56 to 66 million years ago, it shows that the water blasted to the south, but it does not show it going west over the Rishat.
00:23:23.000So I feel like there was some other event, something separate that happened.
00:23:27.000And I mean, yeah, these photos are spectacular.
00:23:30.000The photos are spectacular, but could you zoom out again, please, Jamie?
00:23:33.000The thing that's crazy is how clearly it looks like water came over that and washed back.
00:23:55.000Scroll in, Jamie, and you'll see we discussed this last time as being water ripples.
00:23:59.000So remember when Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson were on your show a few years ago, and they were showing you the area of the Missoula floodplains in Montana and Washington?
00:24:28.000So these ripples, when you pan out, so the ones that Randall had showed you, those were something like closer to 300 feet apart and 50 feet high.
00:24:37.000I've measured these more than 3,000 feet to 6,600 feet in between each ripple and more than 200 feet high.
00:24:44.000So if these are indeed caused from ripples like you see on the beach from catastrophic flooding, this is a force of water that is...
00:24:54.000Truly, it goes beyond the mind's comprehension.
00:24:56.000It's something that I don't think we could even understand.
00:24:59.000But if you pan out, people have to understand that this is a couple hundred miles from one side to the other.
00:25:05.000And so this would have been a force of floodwater that...
00:25:08.000I think goes beyond anything we could have thought possible.
00:25:11.000I think this is why scientists have somehow missed it because I don't know how to say this, but no one else seems to be talking about this.
00:25:16.000Now, the structure that you think is Atlantis, how tall are those concentric rings?
00:25:21.000So it is the entire structure from one side to the other is nearly 30 miles, but the interior structure of the concentric circles is 16 miles.
00:25:29.000And this is one argument that's made against it, is that the size dimensions that Plato had gave Are significantly smaller.
00:25:38.000And so – but I would make two arguments on this.
00:25:42.000One, this is a 12,000-year-old story, and I would argue that it is impossible for over 12,000 years to carry down precise translations because of – How off is it from the translations?
00:26:16.000It wouldn't be feasible to suggest that millions of people would have lived there.
00:26:19.000And I'll make one other little point, which is that because many people posit that it could be in the Atlantic Ocean, like at the Azores, and I think that's a phenomenal argument for that.
00:26:28.000But if I was to defend the Rishat, or I would say that if this was a place that was spoken from languages of all over and was said to be a trading hub, I don't think that it would be as feasible to suggest that Atlantis would be in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean as opposed to West Africa,
00:26:44.000which was green at the time, this whole area was connected by a network of rivers, which I should have some slides in there.
00:27:48.000I don't want to trash Mauritania because I've heard from people who have gone there, they've met the nicest people they've ever met in their lives.
00:27:53.000As long as they're not shooting you, they're nice.
00:29:32.000In the 1960s, there was a lot of Legitimate scientific work being done in the Azores region looking at the possibility of subversion and can there be large parts of land that sink?
00:29:43.000And then something happened where it's like the establishment just turned on it and it became this pseudo-term and anyone who mentioned it was kind of dismissed and shaken off in the same way that they're treating guys like Hancock with his ancient Apocalypse series are now.
00:29:58.000I don't know specifically what happened but it used to be taken a lot more seriously and there's certainly a lot of Evidence coming from prior cultures that something did exist.
00:30:07.000And I think now we've got a massive body of evidence that suggests our history as a species and as a civilization goes way back much further than what we've thought about as being our own history since, you know, I mean, right up until 2006, we pretty much thought, nope, the last 6,000 years,
00:30:23.000that's when we stopped being cavemen and became, you know, started building cities and organized societies and things like that.
00:30:47.000Like, look at all this actual evidence.
00:30:50.000Not speculation, not, like, look, you're looking at physical geological evidence, physical erosion evidence, and then all the stuff with the structure that lines up exactly with the stories of Atlantis.
00:31:29.000Well, then let's focus in then on why is this catastrophic water erosion going through the Sahara?
00:31:35.000Sixty million years more recently than it was supposed to.
00:31:38.000There's another image in there, Jamie, that shows where the Trans-Saharan Seaway went, and it does not reflect it going west over the Western Sahara.
00:31:45.000So I'm like, in the context of climate science, I'm like, this should be discussed.
00:31:49.000Why is nobody talking about the Sahara was green potentially 4,500 years ago, which is, by the way, the same alleged date as the Great Pyramid's construction in Giza, 4,500 years ago.
00:32:17.000And not only that, it went east of Niger along Chad, which I showed you the water erosion along the volcano.
00:32:25.000So what I'm suggesting is that either something else separate happened or they just missed something because Again, the Sahara is a big place and they can only search so many places.
00:32:32.000When they did this, did they have the sort of satellite imagery that are available today?
00:33:38.000Coming as an outsider to this, I couldn't be more surprised to see their reactions to anything alternative because it's like, wait a second.
00:33:45.000The success of the things that we present, the success of Graham Hancock's Ancient Apocalypse show, this, any true enthusiast of ancient history or geology, This is a win-win for everybody because it's gaining interest in these unanswered questions and everybody would stand to gain from it.
00:34:02.000Like archaeologists, if it was up to me, they'd be out there digging right now because of this stuff.
00:34:06.000Yeah, but the problem is they have already made these assertions.
00:34:59.000They're either really stupid to associate that with racism, or they're doing exactly what I see going for anyone that says something counter to a narrative, which is we need to cancel this person, shut them up.
00:35:53.000I read that book in the 90s, and that's when I got really into his stuff.
00:35:56.000And back then, if you brought it up, people would go, oh, he's a kook.
00:35:59.000But as the internet came about, and as more and more information became available, and then the discovery of Gobekli Tepe, Just threw the whole thing on its head.
00:36:08.000I would argue he's done more for bringing the topic of the mysteries of lost ancient civilizations and cataclysms than arguably anyone else on Earth.
00:36:21.000Because of him, I saw him on your show.
00:36:22.000I go down the rabbit hole and start looking.
00:36:25.000So it's like everyone should be saying thank you to Graham Hancock.
00:36:28.000They're just so scared that he's going to make them look like fools because they wrote these books when they had limited access to information and they made these very, like, direct assertions.
00:36:42.000Like, this is what happened and they're wrong.
00:36:46.000It's archaeology not being a hard science that does hypothesis experiment result like you can do in things like chemistry, for example.
00:36:55.000These guys, they rise to their positions of powers in academia, they become their whole personal, I think, sense of self is somehow tied up around this position as an expert in this story.
00:37:26.000And when new evidence comes along that I think threatens that, that's why you get in some way such a strong reaction because you're almost threatening the person.
00:37:36.000I'm sure you've seen the original discussion that Graham had with Dr. Robert Schock when they brought the evidence of the water erosion to the Sphinx.
00:37:48.000And then that archaeologist is like laughing, but like not really laughing.
00:38:17.000Arose out of nowhere, like perfect, and then degraded over time.
00:38:21.000When you think about it, things like the pyramids, I mean, those are the first pyramids ever made.
00:38:26.000Like these massive megalithic stone pyramids that have all of these different elements of sacred geometry and precision and all these different aspects of incredible engineering built into them.
00:38:35.000That's apparently what they did first.
00:38:37.000They kept building pyramids after that time.
00:38:55.000Another video of yours that I watched today was a video that showed the similarities not just between pyramids, But between construction methods all over the world in Japan, I had no idea that they had made the sarcophagus covers in Japan that were exactly the same shape as the ones they made in Egypt.
00:39:21.000And in a place – there is supposed to be zero connection between ancient Japan and ancient Egypt.
00:39:36.000Because it's like coming up with – You know, I don't know, I don't have a good, like, if someone like this lighter, if someone, I mean, this is an unusually shaped lighter, the way the top pops, if someone just coincidentally, without any internet,
00:39:52.000came up with this on the other side of the planet, be like, how the fuck?
00:39:55.000It's so oddly shaped, like the buttons in the same place, the lids in the same place, there's no way!
00:40:02.000And the fact that it took an enormous amount of effort to make and move and put it into place, because you're talking about incredibly heavy stone.
00:40:26.000And the fact that these similar construction methods existed in Peru, they existed in Egypt, they existed in Japan, and we don't know how old stone is.
00:41:37.000And literally with the Great Pyramid, very little evidence.
00:41:40.000There's like this big statue of him that they found down in the Valley Temple, nowhere near it.
00:41:45.000And then there's a glyph on the inside.
00:41:47.000There's a lot of controversy around that.
00:41:49.000But there are some of these artifacts they do for that reason because they date a lot of stuff based on the site that they found it.
00:41:57.000So if there's organic material at the site that they found it, what's been, I've found it's kind of like a smoking gun piece in all of this, is all the vases.
00:42:05.000So are you familiar with the incredible stone vases that they make in Egypt?
00:42:56.000This might be porphyry or something like this.
00:42:59.000A very, very hard stone, very hard to work.
00:43:01.000But also brittle when it becomes thin.
00:43:03.000You can see the giant crystal occlusions, the white marks in it.
00:43:06.000This stuff becomes brittle, yet it's been worked down to this thinness because this one's been damaged and you can see how thin that interior wall is.
00:43:14.000Petrie, Flinders Petrie is a great Egyptologist, the first guy to really start applying engineering principles from the industrial age to this stuff.
00:43:21.000He found one, he talks about one in his work that was 1 40th of an inch thick.
00:44:04.000And so recently, there's been some work done.
00:44:07.000I've been working with a couple of guys.
00:44:08.000The son of Christopher Dunn, who wrote some real seminal textbooks on ancient Egyptian technology, his son Alex and Nick Sierra, they're professional metrologists.
00:44:19.000They work for Rolls-Royce in Indianapolis.
00:44:21.000They make aerospace parts, turbine blades, things like that.
00:44:25.000They've got their hands on a pre-gynastic Egyptian vase.
00:44:29.000And for the first time, they've actually been able to scan this thing We're good to go.
00:45:01.000They're not particularly interested in sort of how things were manufactured.
00:45:05.000So what they've done is they've taken this and put this in a machine, and it's a structured light scanner, so it creates like a point cloud of different lights, and then you match a geometric shape to it, be that like a flat plane, a cylinder, a sphere, a cone, and then you can perform sort of geometric calculations on it and define things like precision.
00:45:24.000So if you go back to that surface A, the vase lip, right?
00:45:28.000So this is You can see down on the bottom that they've created a point cloud of the top of this lip, so the flatness, and they've called this Surface A. It's comprised of 3,813 points, and it's within three thousandths of an inch of being basically perfectly flat.
00:46:07.000So you take a cylinder and you basically take 10,000 points plus and you match the inside, the mouth of the vase to a cylinder.
00:46:15.000And you can now measure that against the other surface.
00:46:19.000So if you think of the top of it as being like the x-axis, this is now your y-axis.
00:46:23.000So that first symbol here, the perpendicular symbol, what it's showing is that how perpendicular is this cylinder on its axis relative to the top of the vase, the surface A that's on the top, within one thousandth of an inch.
00:46:38.000So it's perfectly perpendicular to within one thousandth of an inch of the top of the vase.
00:46:44.000And then the second reading here shows you how perfectly, what's the circular error, like what's the circularity of it within thirteen thousandths of an inch of being perfectly circular.
00:48:53.000But I'm just saying, if you think about a pottery wheel spinning, and you think about the precision involved in that, and you look at it, it's beautiful, it seems symmetrical, but nothing compared to this kind of symmetry.
00:49:05.000So to give you an example, so a thousandth of an inch, if you take a sheet of printer paper like this, that's about seven and a half thousandths thick.
00:50:06.000This is the only one we've managed to scan so far, and I would love to say that because you can't get your hands on these things.
00:50:14.000In general, curators of Egyptology museums aren't interested in their manufacturing or engineering, and you don't get access to these vases to do it.
00:50:23.000How could they not be interested in that?
00:50:40.000But what that study is showing and what that precision that's now been measured is showing that, okay, these were turned on a machine— Yeah.
00:51:08.000And shape the lug handles without turning it.
00:51:10.000Now, in precision manufacturing, when you introduce another tool, that introduces error, even in our best processes today, and we just don't see that on this vase.
00:51:19.000Those lug handles are within one thousandth of an inch of being perfectly aligned with those other surfaces of the vase.
00:51:26.000It's that relativity of one section of the vase to another that means...
00:51:30.000A, unquestionably not possible by hand, but B, this has been designed.
00:51:35.000Like somebody made a model of this and they had a very sophisticated bit of machinery that must have carved it out.
00:51:42.000And when we talk about this machinery, what's the speculation?
00:51:47.000I mean, what do they think was used to carve these things?
00:51:51.000Is there any markings on them that would indicate...
00:51:56.000So this is a whole other discussion when you get into the depths of this work.
00:52:00.000So when you look at ancient Egypt and the way it gets treated, they found tools.
00:52:04.000And I should say it's very rare to find metal in the ancient world, right?
00:52:07.000As soon as the Bronze Age starts, any metal, super precious, gets smelted down, turned into tools, weapons, things like that.
00:52:14.000So it's very rare to find metal in general.
00:52:17.000But across ancient Egypt, they found a bunch of tools.
00:52:19.000So they found some copper chisels, bronze chisels, very primitive stuff, some wooden squares and plumb bobs, pounding stones, flint chisels.
00:52:28.000So those are the tools that are found.
00:52:30.000And in general, it's like the orthodoxy here and the academia will do everything they can to just hammer everything you find into this box and say, these are the tools we've found, so therefore everything's made by these tools.
00:52:44.000Outside of that, there's a whole realm of what I would call machining marks that exist all over these sites in Egypt.
00:52:49.000There's a place called Abusia that's been closed to the public for more than 100 years.
00:52:53.000You have to get special permission to go there.
00:53:07.000I've got like an hour-long documentary just on the tube drills because there's been an argument going on for 150 years about the tube drills.
00:53:14.000There is evidence for very sophisticated and powerful tools that is etched into these artifacts from the very earliest points in Egypt all over the place.
00:53:22.000And a lot of these things, they disappear in later periods of time.
00:53:26.000Go back to that image, Jamie, that you just had.
00:53:30.000I didn't send you any of the machining marks, but I can show them to you at some point.
00:53:35.000Yeah, so you find the tube drills are really interesting because it's a very thin tool and what they would do, they range in size from like a half inch up to nine inches.
00:53:44.000And are those plugs that were removed from the stone?
00:53:47.000So it's like a hollow tool that gets cut down and then you snap off the core.
00:53:52.000And now Flinders Petrie, are you familiar with Petrie?
00:53:55.000He was around like late 1800s, early 1900s.
00:53:58.000I use his work a lot in the stuff that I do because he was the first guy...
00:54:03.000To apply engineering principles to what we saw, which is kind of this meta point that messes with my head a bit in that it took our civilization up to the industrial age to even be able to put some of this stuff into context.
00:54:16.000Like anyone else that looked at this stuff before we understood what machining was, what working in this stone was, what it looks like to cut stone with a circular saw.
00:54:24.000You don't have the context to explain it.
00:54:26.000So we had to get to the industrial age and develop sort of mass manufacture and engineering for us to even recognize what we're seeing here.
00:54:49.000There's been an argument that's been going on for literally 150 years about this call because what Petrie found and what Chris Dunn later verified, yeah, that's Petrie's call number seven, exactly, right there.
00:55:00.000That, in fact, might even be Chris Dunn's photo.
00:55:04.000That groove that goes around it, very obvious striations, right?
00:55:08.000So it's been incontrovertibly shown that that's a spiral.
00:57:19.000And what I would love to see happen is we could get this core and then scan it with that structured light scanner because it will put that stuff to bed no problem.
00:57:28.000As far as I'm concerned, this is a spiral groove.
00:57:31.000The case has been closed, but people still argue the point.
00:57:34.000But it's 100% an indicator of some form of technology that's far away from Beyond the primitive stuff that we attribute to the dynastic Egyptians.
00:59:07.000How the mainstream archaeologists describe them solving this problem is they had a copper tube and they got sand and they put a rock on top of the tube and a bow drill and they just went back and forth with this.
00:59:19.000And they did some experiments and look, grinding works ultimately because sand has little chunks of quartz and corundum in it, but It takes days and days and days to cut this much, and the markings and the machining doesn't look anything like what you see in the ancient examples.
00:59:35.000And what's more, and what's kind of interesting here, is that the drill cores that they found, they're tapered.
00:59:56.000If you think about a tapered tool like this, the second you take any pressure off it, the whole tool removes itself from the surface of the stone.
01:00:03.000So those marks can't be made by withdrawal of the tool.
01:00:47.000One of the whole interesting things I like about this space is it's like...
01:00:50.000And this has to do with even the energy stuff that Randall was talking about that he's coming to talk about as well.
01:00:55.000There are realms of science that sit outside of our understanding.
01:00:59.000We'll know more tomorrow in 10 years, in 1,000 years about science.
01:01:02.000So I think when we look at some of these...
01:01:04.000These things in the past, we should be open-minded enough to consider the possibility that some of the answers may sit outside of our current perspective.
01:01:11.000Because, you know, our tendency is to look at it all and try and...
01:02:37.000Well, you either just get a denial and they won't address it, and you get dismissed as just being ridiculous, pseudo-archaeology, fantasy theory type thing, or in the case of the tube drills, for example, they...
01:02:52.000This is a funny story, because they will argue that, no, no, it's not spiral.
01:02:56.000The grooves on that thing aren't spiral.
01:02:57.000And in fact, in the textbook, this is what Chris Dunn found out, in the textbook where they do try to address the engineering with that tube drill, they took the photo of the tube drill and they just tilted it.
01:03:16.000They altered the photo because if you admit that that tube has a spiral It has a spiral groove on it.
01:03:24.000Now you're admitting that they're cutting into that granite at a ridiculous rate and you can't do any of that stuff with any of the primitive tools.
01:03:31.000It has this flow-on effect that just knocks over this house of cards that says all this stuff was built with primitive technology and the whole concept of the ancient Egyptians is off.
01:03:41.000I think the dynastic Egyptians, they used primitive tools.
01:03:44.000I think they just inherited a lot of stuff that's potentially a lot older.
01:03:49.000And the proofs in the puddings with these vases, for example, those things disappear from dynastic Egypt after the 3rd, 4th dynasty.
01:04:58.000Yeah, so there's a whole category of aspects to the discussion around ancient technology, right?
01:05:06.000And I have to be kind of careful about what you say, oh, it is or it isn't, because in reality we really haven't analysed that many artefacts.
01:05:11.000This vase work that we've done, first one we've actually taken a look at, that core, that's the first one and the only one that's really been analysed.
01:05:20.000So I characterize something that's beyond the capabilities of these primitive ancient civilizations as being, okay, machining marks, tool marks, like these giant circulosaurs, tube drills.
01:05:31.000Precision, and there's elements to precision, and one of those is symmetry.
01:05:35.000And there's been some interesting studies done on the faces of giant statues.
01:05:38.000One in particular is the face of Ramses.
01:05:44.000It's up now 30 feet in the air on top of the statue, but it used to be on the ground.
01:05:48.000And again, Chris Dunn was real seminal in this.
01:05:50.000He went and took a photo, like bang on, like very front on, and then what he did was you take a copy of that photo, you make it 50% transparent, make the original 50% transparent, you take one and you flip it like on that horizontal axis, then you overlay them, right?
01:06:04.000So you would see any, like the left to right, it's like overlaying the left side on the right side.
01:06:50.000Symmetrical is you can't, again, you can't achieve that degree of symmetry just by eyeballing it and doing it by hand.
01:06:57.000And it's also something that's not really human.
01:06:59.000I think some of these statues almost look a bit inhuman because of that symmetry when they're up there and they're staring at you because it's mind-blowing to actually go and look at them.
01:07:08.000But yeah, the other aspect is that the most efficient way to create that would be to say, well, if you were going to design it in a computer, it's like, well, I'm going to create half this face in a program and map it out, and then I'm just going to reverse it and say, well, that's the other half.
01:07:22.000It's literally the most efficient way to do it.
01:07:25.000And that's kind of what we're seeing in some of these statues.
01:08:39.000There's evidence for copper and bronze.
01:08:40.000There's no evidence for it when we're talking about 2500 BC. Now, if there was some sort of very sophisticated civilization that was tens of thousands of years before that, and they were wiped out...
01:08:54.000And then you're leaving behind these artifacts, and then people are claiming them as their own, and then trying to copy them.
01:09:02.000Imitation was a huge part of it, and we even see that.
01:09:05.000You go to the Egyptian Museum, and there's these beautiful igneous stone vases made of granite.
01:09:12.000And right next to them, in the same display, because they're found in the same place, there's a rough pottery vase.
01:09:48.000And that's not supposed to make sense.
01:09:50.000And the last time I was on with you, Joe, I was trying to articulate a point which was that there was a middle kingdom, there was the first kingdom, and there was these periods of revolt and revolution and missing history within Egypt, and there was three different kingdoms.
01:11:31.000They say Gobekli Tepe was created by – they changed it, and it literally happened.
01:11:35.000I saw this argument being made when Michael Schramm was here with Graham and Randall.
01:11:40.000They say it's made by hunter-gatherers.
01:11:42.000They literally changed the definition of what it means to be a hunter-gatherer rather than move that precious state of civilization starting from 6,000 years ago to 10,000 years ago with Gobekli Tepe.
01:12:03.000The specialization of allowing someone to be able to carve...
01:12:07.00018 foot pillars that weigh several tons with high relief.
01:12:09.000Not just that, but the fact that these animals on those pillars are 3D. You carve out the stone to remove stone so that you have these giant pillars with a lizard crawling up the side of it, but the lizard extends out from the stone.
01:12:31.000And you need a population base to support the development of specialisation like that.
01:12:37.000To me, it's as if they just think, well, no, these hunter-gatherers, these dudes just want to get around on the weekends, get away from the women, go and do some little carving project on the weekend.
01:13:11.000The latest DNA evidence looking at our divergence from a common ancestor with the Neanderthals and studies on teeth morphology put us at around 800,000 to 900,000 years old.
01:14:28.000You know, it's funny, Jimmy, you mentioned about an interesting point about the sediment, because I know, and Graham Hancock likes to talk about this too, underwater archaeology, the fact that sea levels have risen 300 to 400 feet.
01:14:38.000One of the challenges with that is exactly that, is that this catastrophic flooding that happened as a result of this violent process that got us to our climate of today and our sea level, Is that, yeah, there's sediment everywhere.
01:14:50.000So even if there were cities, there were remains.
01:14:52.000The Younger Dryas and the Cataclysm was so violent and such a savage event that it would have just smashed stuff.
01:14:59.000And even if there was stuff that's now underwater, it's buried in sediment.
01:15:02.000It's not like you're going to just take pictures of the ocean floor around these continents and find lost cities.
01:15:08.000In a lot of places, this is all going to be buried in sediment and smashed into bits.
01:15:17.000But, I mean, just knowing the geological data, knowing that the Younger Dryas impact theory appears to be correct, knowing that there's people like Randall Carlson who have looked at the surface area of North America and shown these incredible pieces of evidence that there's massive water flooding...
01:15:46.000Like, you can't comprehend the amount of water and the amount of power that would come from that water and just from being impacted by a mile-wide chunk of iron that slams into an ice cap.
01:16:02.000The channeled scab lands is absolutely spectacular.
01:16:04.000I've done those trips with Randall a bunch of times.
01:16:07.000It's such an incredible landscape when you put it in that context.
01:16:10.000And you're looking at this outflow from these floods like we've never...
01:16:14.000Yeah, it's these massive big coolies that are 800 foot high and you're standing on top of about 300 foot of sediment at the bottom.
01:16:20.000And it's just ripped all this basalt out and then downed.
01:16:23.000We've dumped it out into this massive big boulder spree that's also several hundred foot deep and you've got granite from Canada that's been carried by these floods down here and deposited in these giant icebergs.
01:16:36.000But yeah, I really think he's onto something with the major flood.
01:16:41.000There's so many problems with the Missoula flood, the main theory of lots of little floods that this ice dam reformed and it's a good topic for Randall.
01:16:49.000But yeah, I think it definitely happened in a real short time because...
01:16:53.000That whole Lake Missoula area where they say was the reformation of an ice dam.
01:17:04.000And there's nothing that ever supports that theory, least of all hydrodynamics, of trying to form an ice dam that's like 2,000 feet deep and six miles wide.
01:17:15.000And it makes sense if you think about the fact that they believe we got hit by these massive chunks of rock and ice and stone and iron from space.
01:17:57.000The whole landscape's littered with them.
01:17:59.000We started to notice them with the advent of aerial photography, and then when we started doing LIDAR flyovers, we started to see them under everything.
01:18:27.000So there's been some debate, and one of the mainstream opinions is that they're wind and sand, aeolian, lacustrian solution created.
01:18:38.000None of the experiments along the lines of wind can back this up.
01:18:42.000The interesting thing about these is that they're all oriented in a specific direction.
01:18:46.000And what turns out is that there was a study done because a guy went and mapped out thousands of them and lined them up.
01:18:53.000And it wasn't until he took into account the Coriolis effect, so the spin of the earth, that all of a sudden all these lines, the orientation of these bays all lined up at around Saginaw Bay, which would have been buried in ice.
01:19:07.000So here's the theory that comes out about the Carolina Bays, is that there was a massive impact into the ice.
01:19:13.000And it basically threw up splash damage of ice boulders the size of baseball stadiums on suborbital trajectories that then created this saturation bombardment and liquefaction of the entire East Coast and over there in Missoula of the entire land.
01:19:31.000And that image, Jamie, in that lower left...
01:20:53.000But they're literally everywhere and they overlap.
01:20:55.000The whole landscape's made up of them.
01:20:57.000Didn't they find most of them through LIDAR, though?
01:20:59.000Yeah, LIDAR. They started to see them with aerial photography, and then LIDAR, they just turned up everywhere.
01:21:04.000Under farmland, I wish I could – I didn't send you the photos of the bays with LIDAR. But it's just the crazy story about their creation is that these are splash damage.
01:22:38.000Like, you know, impact happens over here.
01:22:41.000Eight, nine, ten minutes later, you just have this rain of just destruction coming from the sky that obliterates the entire coast of the United States.
01:22:50.000That's what you'd expect if there's something that hit at a high speed, and of course there'd be fallout.
01:23:03.000So you shoot a bullet into ice at an angle, and it shows the shattering of ice and the orientation.
01:23:10.000So we can step backwards from the bays and look at, okay, what's the energy required for the impact and at what angle was the impact coming in?
01:23:18.000And it's something like it would have been probably a mile-wide impactor up at Saginaw Bay that might have ejected that much ice to do that.
01:25:44.000And there was a small group of donors.
01:25:46.000And they had had these written essentially laws for if like in the event of a cataclysm in human history was to be reset and this would be a guidance for how we should proceed.
01:25:57.000And some people consider it to be very benign.
01:26:00.000I don't – I wasn't a big fan of them because it basically preaches, I would say, communism.
01:26:06.000It talks about having population control as far as not allowing – that there should be societal – Pressure as well as legal pressure on controlling how many kids people have moving forward and to keep a balance at 500 million.
01:26:20.000They don't say reduce the population to 500 million.
01:26:22.000That's where some of the conspiracies come in is that this is a depopulation agenda.
01:26:25.000But the conspiracy, to answer your question, some people suspect that what if – because there's a lot of talk today about people wanting to reduce population and we're destroying the earth – that what if the powers that be that did create them purposely – If they're under – that way,
01:26:41.000if they're under their plan, they'd want to destroy them, remove that evidence, and pretend those Guidestones didn't even exist in the first place and remove that time capsule.
01:28:07.000Where's the ATF? Where's all the people out there taking swabs of everything, you know?
01:28:11.000If there was a natural disaster that was imminent and it was headed our way and only a few people knew about it, how much do you think they'd tell us?
01:30:56.000I think there was probably something significant that happened in the last Ice Age, because we don't see any evidence of writing.
01:31:08.000I'm using Ice Age in the colloquial term of when it was very snowy and where the glaciers came down far and where summer was short and winter was very long.
01:31:27.000Something happened around, I think around that ice age that, because we see no writing, no writing before that ice age and we start to see writing pop up in multiple places on earth after the most recent colloquially termed ice age.
01:31:49.000But like I said, there have been times when Earth has been extremely tropical and where it's been a snowball.
01:31:57.000But these tend to occur over very long periods of time.
01:32:01.000The global warming thing we're talking about here...
01:33:44.000And I'm like, it would make a lot of sense.
01:33:46.000If you look at the Bible involving revelations and it's saying six days on the seventh day God rested, in that document it says six days things start simmering down a bit and by day seven things are starting over new.
01:33:59.000So what's the science behind this complete reversal of the magnetic poles?
01:34:05.000So, real quick, the part that sets me off about this is that any article you ever read on this, it makes it crystal clear that this will not be apocalyptic.
01:34:16.000No, we'll potentially have some satellite communication issues that could affect our power grid and telecommunication systems, and that's going to be unfortunate.
01:34:24.000I'm like, okay, first of all, if the grid goes down, that is doomsday.
01:34:27.000But number two, they don't know what they're talking about because they claim that the geomagnetic pole shift is because of the interior, whether it's the iron core or whatever it is, the molten core, does a shift, and because of it, that's why the compass will flip.
01:34:42.000But I'm like, if you look at the nature of earthquakes, some originate in the crust, others originate in the mantle, in the parts that aren't solid.
01:34:51.000So I'm like, if you're saying that the interior that is molten does a shift, why on earth would you suggest that it wouldn't cause earthquakes or volcanic activity on the surface?
01:35:03.000So I feel like every article I ever read on geomagnetic pole shifts, they go out of their way to say, don't worry, it's fine.
01:35:10.000And I'm like, but yet the evidence shows that it's accelerating.
01:35:14.000Back in just the 1990s, it was traveling the pole.
01:35:17.000The North Pole was transitioning at 10 miles a year.
01:35:23.000And in Adam and Eve's story, it talks about – actually, no, not the Adam and Eve story.
01:35:26.000There was a documentary on NOVA years ago that the evidence shows that when they've studied all their other volcanic rock – For prior known pole shifts, because keep in mind, there's hundreds that are known.
01:35:35.000This has happened throughout millions and millions of years.
01:36:02.000So we know two things right now, is that the pole is moving...
01:36:06.000So I think even the South Pole might be off of Antarctica at this point, the magnetic south.
01:36:11.000And then the magnetic field consequently to this movement is weakening.
01:36:15.000So we know our magnetic field, and that's where a lot of that danger is going to come from, is if the magnetic field keeps weakening, now everything cosmically that happens is going to hit the Earth, and particularly us with our electronics, it's all going to get...
01:36:28.000More easily smashed because the magnetic field is what protects us from solar flares and cosmic radiation and all this stuff.
01:36:34.000So as the field and the acceleration of that weakening of the field, sorry, is accelerating.
01:37:02.000And if you look, there's a – you don't have to Google this, Jamie.
01:37:05.000I don't know what the – there's a mountain chain in eastern Oregon where it's the evidence of a pole shift, that there was a volcano that was active during the shift.
01:37:14.000And if you take a compass along – Yeah.
01:37:43.000The day that it happens, you could potentially see the compass slowly moving.
01:37:48.000And then when you go back to this Adam and Eve story talking about the pole shift, they say that the event happens in approximately a quarter of a day, so six hours.
01:37:55.000So it's like it starts – it comes out of nowhere.
01:37:57.000And I'm like, what if – I'm into the cosmic impact.
01:38:00.000There's unbelievable evidence that definitely happened.
01:38:02.000But there's other things that happen on Earth, whether it's supervolcanoes.
01:38:05.000What if that's related to pole shifts as well?
01:38:08.000And the reason why the evidence wouldn't be necessarily that we couldn't find it is because if the Adam and Eve story, if the details discussed in it are accurate, the reason why we're not seeing the evidence of it is because it flips right back and thus masks the evidence that it ever happened.
01:39:59.000But we're so concerned with our own guilt and impact because of industrialized society and what sort of...
01:40:08.000You know impact we're having on the climate and the earth and our air and and then there's this narrative that just gets repeated over and over and over again this fear-mongering and everyone gets freaked out it's not to say that we aren't polluting we certainly are not to say that we shouldn't improve we certainly should but if the fucking magnetic poles might shift and we might get hit by a giant rock from space we might have bigger problems And we're going to be concentrating on nonsense,
01:40:35.000which is really par for the course with human beings.
01:40:39.000We're going to be concentrating on these things that we're really not going to fix over the short term when something might happen that makes all of it a moot point.
01:41:30.000We're lucky that the last essentially 10,000 years, with a couple little blips, things like Burkle Crater, we've had really calm, pleasant weather for most of it.
01:41:39.000I mean, that's why our civilization has risen.
01:41:41.000Because if you look at the temperature record and the swings from...
01:42:20.000Some people speculate that the reason for such brazen, poor behavior involving spending with the government and the economy and the U.S. dollar and all these things, some speculate, there's a total conspiracy, that the powers that be know something's coming, and so they're just going to keep things going until then.
01:42:36.000Because the way things are being run, it makes no sense.
01:43:04.000From sources unknown, I can also tell you that at some point I've eyeballed this like an RFP, Request for Proposal, for people to develop basically drone systems.
01:43:15.000You remember the movie Prometheus where they threw the drones up in the internet channels?
01:43:19.000There was an RFP for people to develop tech like that because the government was interesting.
01:43:25.000The premise was that they wanted to be able to fight in underground cities.
01:43:31.000We want to be able to map terrain and have these drones that can navigate in underground space without GPS and map the environment because it's the combat situation was fighting in underground cities.
01:43:40.000Because there's going to be a small population of marauding people.
01:45:04.000There's pictures that show images of it underground.
01:45:07.000Yeah, we've seen those before when Graham and Randall were on last.
01:45:11.000We talked about these and that they'd probably used these for short periods of time, right post-impact, before they came back to the surface again.
01:45:19.000So they weathered the storm and then came back above and that they had gotten accustomed to this.
01:47:06.000That's what's really crazy to think of.
01:47:08.000If things get knocked into the Stone Age, like if you go back to the sophistication of ancient Egypt and you think about what the civilization could have been like, I mean you're just speculating, you're just trying to just imagine how they could have moved these 500-ton stone blocks,
01:47:28.000You're putting all these things into your mind.
01:47:30.000And then say, how long does it take to get from that If you knock back into barbarians, how long does it take to get from that to where we are now?
01:47:42.000Well, evidence would suggest something like 6,000 years.
01:47:48.000If you think about how absolutely fucking ruthless people were 2,000 years ago, doesn't it kind of make sense that those are the ones that made it through and then it took a long time before they calmed the fuck down?
01:48:00.000So if you go back to, you know, whatever it was, the sophistication level that people were at when they built ancient Egypt, let's just speculate that it was 20,000 years ago.
01:48:11.000And you think about how much they had to endure to get to that point and how much they had to...
01:48:17.000I mean, there's real evidence, and if you especially pay attention to the work of people like Steven Pinker, that over time there's been less violence, less...
01:48:32.000We are calming down from now versus the way we were 2,000 years ago, 1,000 years ago, 500 years ago.
01:48:41.000Things are moving in the correct direction.
01:48:42.000But how long does it take before you have We're good to go.
01:49:03.000We're not even anywhere near that now.
01:49:04.000We're nowhere near the level of sophistication that it took them to build.
01:49:08.000And we're just guessing as to what kind of technology they had available to them.
01:49:12.000And as you pointed out, with these vases and with just the alignment to the constellations, the sophistication that's involved in the construction to get stones that are tons of stone that you can't even get a razor blade in between.
01:50:46.000There's a quarry in Egypt, I think it's called the Minya Quarry, which has these blocks.
01:50:52.000They're still attached, where they've cut these big blocks out, and there's an image of what looks like a giant pharaoh that's been carved on top of it.
01:50:59.000Now, maybe they were never intended to be blocks, or maybe they were never intended to be finished, but if you assume they're blocks, these two blocks weigh, I think it's 3,500 and 5,000 tons apiece, based on the density of limestone in that region.
01:51:12.000They're not disconnected, but that's...
01:51:27.000So like in the 1700s, they took a big lump of, I think it's granite or something like that, from Finland, and they shipped it to St. Petersburg, and they carved it into a statue.
01:52:25.000They had to construct a giant barge, like a huge barge, and on each side of the barge they would tie up three warships just to try and keep it stable.
01:52:34.000It's about the same size, same mass as the obelisk that's sitting in this mountainous quarry in Egypt, in Aswan.
01:52:44.000And you're expected to believe that they somehow were going to lift this thing up out of a quarry, over these basically big hills and mountains of granite, And put it on a little ship that's narrowed in this, they call it the harbor there, and it's this tiny little space.
01:52:56.000I'm like, you're absolutely delusional if you think this was a simple task that could be achieved with primitive methods, and then ship that thing a thousand miles somewhere.
01:53:06.000When you speculate, when you sit around by yourself, because you've thought about this a lot.
01:53:10.000How the fuck do you think they did this?
01:53:15.000I think there's connections possibly to gravity manipulation.
01:53:20.000I think anti-gravity had to have it play a part in moving some of this stuff.
01:53:23.000I actually think there's some connections to some of the work that's being done with this plasmoid implosion technology, the stuff that Randall's been looking into that's coming back to talk a little bit about.
01:53:34.000The relationship and the sacred geometry aspects of that are similar to the things that we see In some of these cultures in the past, so that may potentially have something to do with the methods that were used in the past, but I'm convinced it was a form of advanced technology.
01:53:50.000Now, whether it's our form of technology, because let's face it, we can do things like that today, but it takes hydraulics and diesel powers and cranes and all that stuff.
01:53:58.000They may have had an entirely different avenue of tech, and that you open up in the realm of resonance and acoustics and anti-gravity, I think...
01:54:07.000Resonance in particular might have played a strong role because that's certainly a feature that you see in some of these older structures, whether it's an accident or not, but some of them are incredibly resonant.
01:54:18.000The Great Pyramid generates a tone just on its own that comes from the earth in their...
01:54:28.000If you're quiet enough, you can, but it's certainly been picked up in a whole number of different experiments where they're measuring the tone.
01:54:34.000The whole structure does generate a low tone.
01:54:58.000I think it's the answers lay in realms of science that are outside of our current understanding that we should be approaching with an open mind because we might ultimately learn something from it if we do.
01:55:08.000Instead of just dismissing it, putting it in a box and saying...
01:55:22.000And by the way, a quick little bizarre similarity when you're mentioning anti-gravity, that Dr. Chan Thomas, who wrote the Adam Neve story, he was researching anti-gravity for McDonnell Douglas back in the 60s.
01:55:37.000A recent study published on Ancient Origins website claims that the ancient Egyptians benefited from the sound in the construction of the Great Pyramid of Giza and relied on the discovery of a dead-end Yeah,
01:56:37.000Like you can stand inside a water tank or a concrete room and find a resonance.
01:56:41.000But it's interesting to go and actually analyze those aspects of these ancient structures and to speculate maybe has this got anything to do with what they were made for?
01:57:13.000Like the actual archaeologists that want to lock this down and try to come up with some sort of a conventional reason and, you know, some sort of an explanation that we can all get behind.
01:57:24.000Oh, they used pulleys and pushed them on logs.
01:57:28.000What you're saying doesn't even make any goddamn sense.
01:57:30.000It's way more likely that there was incredibly sophisticated technology that existed and it's way more likely, in face of the evidence of the Younger Dryas Impact Theory, that that shit was wiped out.
01:57:43.000And that we're talking about a really advanced civilization that lived a long time ago, that's more advanced than we are today, but moved in a different direction.
01:57:53.000Like, we moved in the direction of combustion engines and electronics, and they moved in some other direction, but achieved...
01:58:02.000Maybe many thousands of years more sophistication in that direction than we have with our internal combustion engines and electricity and all the shit that we use.
01:58:11.000And it's important for people to understand that these primitive methods that are suggested and pushed very hard by the, quote, mainstream, they don't test any of these.
01:58:19.000Like, show me them moving, you know, a thousand ton stone on logs.
01:59:30.000The Romans came along, and the Greeks, and they started using pulleys and force multipliers and stuff like that, but there's no evidence for that in the dynastic Egyptian civilization.
01:59:38.000Have you ever had a conversation with all the information that you have at your disposal, like right off the top of your head?
01:59:42.000Have you ever had a conversation with a conventional archaeologist that wants to argue this with you?
01:59:47.000I mean, on email a couple times, but not in life.
02:01:11.000Scale of difficulty that gets applied to these massive objects.
02:01:14.000Also, what are they using to cut these things out of the stone?
02:01:19.000Well, that's a whole other mystery, particularly in the quarry.
02:01:22.000We can see different technologies and tool marks.
02:01:25.000We know, and this is funny, because in the New Kingdom, the 19th dynasty, there's Ramses the Great, the greatest pharaoh of all time, right?
02:01:32.000He was quarrying granite from the middle pyramid for his own projects.
02:01:36.000He was taking the granite casing blocks...
02:01:39.000And the way they did it, and the way that they still do it to some extent, is they would hammer out with a flint chisel or even with steel.
02:01:45.000You'd hammer away, you make a little groove in the granite, you smash wood into it, you make all these grooves, you wet the wood, and you split the stone, right?
02:01:52.000Eventually you hammer out it with chisels, you wet the wood, all this pressure gets on it.
02:01:56.000Your object is to split a piece of stone, crack it off, and then I take that piece of stone.
02:02:25.000And it's gone, it's under, there's a place where you can get in under a piece of stone.
02:02:29.000Look, they'll tell you that it's, this skull was a, it's a pounding stone of dolarite about that big and they reckon they were doing this with it.
02:02:36.000Which is, it doesn't make sense at about 15 different levels that I do go through in autistic detail in one of these videos.
02:02:43.000But, you know, these scoop marks extend to like the underside of rocks where you're pounding up and it's just, it doesn't make sense.
02:02:49.000None of this fits the evidence that gets presented.
02:02:53.000And it, There's something else at work here.
02:02:56.000There's some other technology that's been used to remove this granite at a rapid rate.
02:03:00.000The scoop mark in the obelisk is a whole other mystery, but we see it also on other bits of unfinished stone.
02:03:05.000You see scoop marks on some of the blocks on the third pyramid that are unfinished.
02:03:09.000You see them at the Assyrian, which is a massive underground granite structure that's at the Temple of Seti I with granite blocks that weigh like 90 tons.
02:03:17.000When we were in Egypt together and we're at Aswan, they actually have a granite block with these dolerite hammers that are, you know, round dolerite black stones that are like eight, ten pounds a pop.
02:03:29.000And you're allowed to bang away at it.
02:03:31.000I have video of one of my videos on YouTube.
02:03:35.000If you ever take an 8 to 10 pound weight and start banging across, first of all, it feels like you're going to get arthritis within a few minutes.
02:03:41.000And you see that you're only chipping away particles of dust.
02:03:44.000It is the least feasible explanation ever.
02:03:47.000And anyone that simply picks up one of these dolerite hammers and bangs away on a piece of granite themselves will see that it's nonsense.
02:03:53.000And not only that, those scoop marks that you mentioned, I don't know, Jamie, if you're able to type in Aswan unfinished obelisk and you see these scoops, They're symmetrical.
02:04:05.000It doesn't make sense that that would be done by handwork.
02:04:26.000You have these holes around the side of it where they call them test pits because what you want to do, and this gets back to my comment about the ability to quarry granite, is the quality of granite that it takes to take an object like that or like, this is actually from a guy that went on my tour, the quality of granite that it takes to make large objects like that and a lot of the quality of granite that we see on the Giza Plateau,
02:04:52.000They're like 30 feet inside a granite mountain.
02:04:54.000You don't get this quality of granite at the surface level with just granite pieces lying around.
02:05:00.000And you can go to Giza today, Fourth Dynasty, and look at the blocks of granite that were hanging off the valley temple or the pyramid temple.
02:05:08.000And there are huge crystal occlusions in them.
02:05:10.000Like, this stuff came from the core of Granite Mountains.
02:05:12.000You can't say that the Dynastic and the Old Kingdom guys didn't have the ability to quarry granite.
02:05:17.000Maybe they didn't, but whoever made those granite blocks sure as hell did, because that's where it comes from.
02:05:21.000Real quick, this image right down here, that black rock is the Dolorite Hammer, and when Ben was just mentioning from underneath these scoop marks.
02:05:29.000So they wanted to claim that that's how they did it, that they were banging away with this rock basically upwards.
02:05:33.000Well, yeah, you actually get, there's a consistent line, so on the wall behind where we're standing, it's like 20 feet high, and you'll see a horizontal ridge that runs all the way down that line, underneath, and then up underneath the other piece of rock.
02:06:14.000And what's wild is that if you just do it, when you do something yourself, you realize just like, I don't know how they did it, but it wasn't this.
02:06:39.000There's been some tests that have been done, and I get into it.
02:06:42.000And I think it's something like, I've got to say, about 70 cubic centimeters or something like that, that you can remove with that method over a solid hour.
02:06:50.000And I think it's either 50 or 70, but it's, put it this way, it's three quarters the volume of a golf ball.
02:06:57.000Or two-fifths the volume of a chicken egg.
02:06:59.000That's how much material you can remove in an hour by just non-stop pounding of granite dust.
02:07:29.000Supposedly what they tell you is it developed a crack across the center and they left it there.
02:07:34.000I think the crack could be the result of later quarrying attempts.
02:07:37.000When they found this, it was utterly buried.
02:07:40.000There was one small section of it poking out, but the rest of it at the bottom here was under nine meters of rubble, and there were other big quarried blocks.
02:07:47.000I actually think this could have been here long...
02:07:49.000I think the Egyptians were using the quarry, but I think this object could have been...
02:08:19.000Like can soften the stone, can change the molecular bonds beneath the stone because it's made up of all these granites like a composite material made up of a bunch of different types of horn blend and crystal quartz and a bunch of stuff like that and then just being able to somehow scoop it out.
02:08:35.000It's as if it looks that way when you look at it.
02:08:38.000You've got to think it's either some sonic There's something going on that is enabling them to scoop that material out of there in an effortless fashion.
02:08:46.000These scoops, in places, it's almost as if they articulate.
02:08:50.000We see in places, in a recent observation we made, they're not just straight down, but they bend.
02:08:57.000And you see that in some of these scoops.
02:08:59.000There's an articulation to these lines.
02:09:02.000So maybe there was a tool that was anchored, and it almost looks like it had a very flexible tip, but it was some rotating tool that just chewed out this stone.
02:09:10.000And that's where Chris Dunn goes with it, is there may be some sort of rotating tool.
02:09:17.000The interesting thing about the quarry also is that there is, in an area, there is drawings on the wall of the quarry where there's all these scoop marks of these ostriches, and it matches pre-dynastic drawings.
02:09:29.000So it's almost as if there were people in that quarry making paintings on earlier Dunn scoop marks before the dynastic civilization even started.
02:09:48.000There's a tremendous value in seeing unfinished work because we get to have a little bit of insight into how did this tool potentially function?
02:10:14.000What kind of technology was available then?
02:10:17.000When you think about a completely different branch of technology that was achieved 20,000 years ago or whatever it was, There's nothing there.
02:10:30.000You're just spinning your wheels, just guessing.
02:10:33.000Speaking of technology, Jamie, you should Google the Khufu ship because the largest vessel that's ever been found from ancient Egypt...
02:10:47.000I'm not suggesting that – no one's suggesting that this boat was used to tug and move around large stones.
02:10:53.000But it's worth mentioning that of all the descriptions that you see – or inscriptions, excuse me – this 140-foot-long boat is the largest boat ever found.
02:11:03.000That's a bullshit boat, too, by the way.
02:11:05.000I've said it before, and I feel bad, but it's a shitbox in comparison.
02:12:21.000The point that's significant in this is that that is the largest boat that they've ever found.
02:12:26.000And my point is that if they're going to claim that they were moving 100-ton stone blocks on barges, I just want to iterate that they've never found one and there was no inscription that shows anything large enough that would have done it.
02:12:45.000Well, so there is, but not the big ones.
02:12:49.000There's a tomb of the nobles that's over near on the west bank of the Nile at Luxor, but it shows them literally making mud bricks and building a mud brick pyramid.
02:14:11.000Like one of the cool things that you showed in one of your videos which shows the similarities between the construction methods of ancient Japan and Peru and Egypt is that so many of these stones, they're like these odd shapes like jigsaw puzzles and they fit in perfectly.
02:14:27.000Oh, don't worry, that's just a coincidence.
02:14:29.000These polygonal walls that are found in multiple continents around the world, the fact that there's pyramids in five continents around the world.
02:14:39.000This is a natural progression of civilization, that a pyramid's like, oh, come on, kids with blocks will make a pyramid.
02:14:47.000Makes sense, which is why we make them today.
02:14:49.000But if you look at comparisons of the Indonesia pyramids and the ones in Central America and Mexico, they have similarities of the strip steps that go up the middle of it.
02:14:58.000I use the analogy of skyscrapers, that we have skyscrapers in any major city around the world, and they're all the same based on that, yeah, you have steel and concrete and glass, but they're all different.
02:15:08.000You have a different architect here, and they look a little different, but it's still the same thing.
02:15:12.000But is it really feasible to say or is it a coincidence that they just happened to start building pyramids on multiple continents around the world or these polygonal walls that are – whether it's from Peru, Egypt, places in Italy, Greece.
02:16:15.000It's like, this is not how you solve the building a wall problem.
02:16:18.000Like, if you say they got to a different, just independently, like, making these complex polygonal walls, that's not how you solve that problem.
02:16:25.000Is there any speculation to what the advantage of polygonal walls would be?
02:17:30.000They're not supposed to be 4,500 years old or something like that.
02:17:33.000And the reason why this is significant is because if the Great Pyramid is 4,500 years old, my argument is that there are connections across the oceans that are not supposed to exist.
02:17:42.000Because according to everything, they're adamant.
02:17:44.000It wasn't until Christopher Columbus, 1492, sailed the ocean blue.
02:17:47.000But yet there's evidence that goes back more than 1,000 years prior that suggests...
02:18:11.000It's really wild stuff because it's so obvious that...
02:18:17.000Somehow or another, these people had to be in communication with each other or sharing information or had carried information from other places.
02:22:44.000Well, it just makes sense that if they developed weapons and they developed clothing and they developed shelters and then they figured out mechanisms, if they had the sophistication to be able to construct these buildings, why wouldn't they have the sophistication to be able to construct a watch?
02:23:04.000If you want to talk about ancient technology, speaking of this, like on the left, that Trident, many accredited it to being originated from the Vajra.
02:23:11.000And did you see Elon Musk's bedside table picture that he put on Twitter?
02:23:20.000Look, the Vajra, which comes from the trident, or the trident comes from that.
02:23:24.000He had that in the lower left corner of the picture.
02:23:27.000If you were to Google Ilama's bedside photo, lower left corner, that is the symbol that comes from ancient Hindu that is supposed to be the most powerful thing in the entire universe.
02:24:46.000So the fact that he has that vajra in the lower left corner...
02:24:50.000I wonder – this is conspiracy, which I'm all into – is he essentially sending a shot off the bow to the people who he thinks are going after him, which is that I have knowledge of something involving – because here we are.
02:25:03.000There's all this speculation that there has been a limitless energy device that has come from the ancients that has been essentially redeveloped.
02:25:11.000And then in a short period of time, you have Elon Musk posting this picture while he's also talking about that he believes that his life could be at jeopardy.
02:25:17.000He's taking certain security precautions.
02:25:28.000Either he's trolling, and maybe, or is he trying...
02:25:32.000Why would he put that Vajra right in the lower left corner?
02:25:34.000The symbol that means that other people can correlate with a limitless free energy technology that may have once existed, and that's where the trident comes from.
02:25:42.000So I don't understand, how was the Vajra, how did it supposedly work?
02:26:37.000It's not—44 billion dollars is a lot of goddamn money, and he overpaid for it, but he felt like there's a need to have some sort of an uncensored distribution of information, or at least un-government censored.
02:27:26.000It's like, no, the only thing dangerous is stopping people from having a voice.
02:27:29.000Well also when you start attributing when you put words on that like racism and you start putting those kind of accusations towards so if you watch that that special that the series and you you say oh This is racist.
02:27:46.000I mean, it's really that simple or you're a dangerous asshole who wants to change with the reality of what this guy is actually talking about and Right?
02:27:55.000Throughout history, anyone, whether it's the Nazis, the Stalinists, the Maoists, and everyone else, anyone that's ever censored people, the people who censor other people, they're always the bad guys historically.
02:28:24.000Same people, same argument that they made three years ago against him.
02:28:28.000The Journal of American Archaeology, or the Society of American Archaeology, dedicated 27 pages in a journal three years ago to attacking Hancock for his book America Before.
02:28:38.000Same accusations, same language, same people, and then I think what happened was when his show comes out and it's got You're There, I think Jordan Peterson was in one of the clips, and I think it triggered some of the more maybe left-leaning publications to go and look for what are the arguments being made against this,
02:28:58.000and then all those talking points get amplified and boosted and it becomes this much bigger thing.
02:29:03.000Well, they're just terrified that they're losing control of the narrative.
02:29:08.000And that's the same problem they have with this podcast, the same problem they have with a lot of things that can become very popular that they can't control.
02:29:15.000They just hate the fact that people are just able to discuss things openly and freely without them being in control of it and getting all their greasy fucking fingers all over stuff.
02:29:45.000But the reality is that I look at this topic, you know, there's a niche community there into the ancients.
02:29:50.000And whether it's archaeologists that disagree with everything we just said, or other people that agree with everything Graham Hancock says, This is a win-win for everybody.
02:29:58.000I think this is an opportunity for people to unite under a common interest and then start exploring these topics.
02:30:03.000For example, if I had won the lottery, I would have hired a bunch of archaeologists that are the biggest naysayers of anything that's alternative and be like, hey, here's a salary.
02:30:14.000Let's get some blocks and let's start cutting this stuff and moving it and just experiment.
02:30:32.000Because I think they all kind of know, and I don't think they're necessary anymore.
02:30:36.000Thanks to people like you guys, Who have really just examined all of the actual evidence without any biases or any sort of ulterior motive and any narrative that you're trying to promote.
02:30:48.000You're just looking at it going, what is it?
02:30:52.000And because of the fact that you guys exist on these platforms like YouTube, where you can get millions and millions of views, I mean, there are no mainstream archaeologists that are getting millions of views on their stuff.
02:31:13.000You suck at distribution of information, and you're ignoring the most interesting stuff.
02:31:19.000When you're looking at the evidence of Atlantis, or if you're looking at these similar construction methods that exist all over the world, like how?
02:33:41.000Look, human beings have accumulated knowledge and information over time, and the idea that there's gatekeepers to knowledge and information, that they have to come from these accredited universities, Yeah.
02:34:09.000The actual amount of information is so overwhelming.
02:34:13.000The idea that one group controls the access to information or what is legitimate about that information, it's not true anymore because there's so many random people that are experts and that have accumulated very Vast amounts of data,
02:34:30.000and like you, you can just pull it off the top of your head.
02:34:32.000You don't even have any fucking notes you're drawing from, and you're talking about all this different stuff.
02:34:36.000I mean, how many archaeologists can do that?
02:34:38.000And how many archaeologists can do it about these very specific aspects of this stuff, which is so confusing.
02:34:46.000It's not being discussed in the mainstream.
02:34:59.000I've been contacted by students, people that I think what's happening is that because this stuff is out there and it's becoming more mainstream, they're being forced to deal with the arguments that are being raised by guys like Graham.
02:35:11.000You have to go and account for the evidence.
02:35:14.000Which is kind of the prior generation of the old guys and the old guard now.
02:35:19.000That's a lot of the approach they've taken.
02:35:21.000But I'm hopeful also that, yeah, because some of these students have said who will be the establishment academics of the future and potentially also in charge of the textbooks and whatever the official story even means.
02:35:47.000It's amazing that there's access to people like you now, that you guys have these platforms like YouTube where you can just put these videos out, and your videos have fucking millions of views, and so do yours.
02:36:46.000Because I can channel Adam Curry for a minute and talk about when you talk about the internet and access to information outside of establishments.
02:36:52.000One of the dangers I do see in it is the fact that we now, the internet kind of gets distilled down to these portals.
02:37:16.000And it's just like, that control of that information is eventually going to come down to the stuff we're seeing with the Twitterphiles now, where it's like, hey, we need to de-amplify these things.
02:37:28.000The stuff that Schellenberger's released, and Matt Taibbi, and all these different people that have gone over, and Barry Weiss, gone over this data.
02:38:05.000You can figure out so quickly on who is not doing any research whatsoever.
02:38:09.000And this will sound crass, but I'm just going to say it because I know it's the truth.
02:38:12.000Most people are getting their news and information while they're sitting on the toilet, scrolling through social media, and just scanning headlines.
02:38:46.000And I started to see extremely quickly that all these – Trump would say something and then all these headlines would show up minutes later and contradict what he was saying.
02:39:11.000I mean, when CNN was going after me for taking horse dewormer, they were counting on this idea that they had this control of the narrative.
02:39:19.000But they didn't understand that I had already achieved like an escape velocity by that time, where I had 10 times as many people as them.
02:39:25.000So I was like, what the fuck are these people doing?
02:39:27.000And that it just discredited them further.
02:39:47.000But if you continue to lie, that one lie creates five more and those five lies create 25. And then before you know it, it's out of control and you can't keep up with it.
02:39:56.000Yeah, but counter to that as the Soviet Union or what's currently Russia right now.
02:40:00.000If you have control of the narrative, you can hold on to that control.
02:41:45.000I don't care about social media, but I don't have a blue checkmark on Instagram, and I don't know what it's going to take to get one, because this would allow me to DM people.
02:45:07.000And in this world that we live in, when they're controlling information, the one thing that freaks me out about talking about history is that they usually, they, as in people who are tyrants that suppress and censor people throughout history, they go after the teachers.
02:46:05.000And then COVID came along and this opportunity to control people and a reason to do so.
02:46:09.000We're all in danger and they exaggerate that danger greatly and use it to clamp down on you and force you into these pharmaceutical drugs that you have to take and do this and do that.
02:46:20.000We've got to lock it home and stay here and we're going to redistribute wealth and this and that.
02:47:20.000Everyone needs to be paying attention to what happened there.
02:47:22.000Yeah, the irregularities when it came to the reports that people had at the places where they were trying to vote is really wild.
02:47:31.000I wish I knew what was true so I could actually comment on it.
02:47:35.000What I witnessed walking my dog in different neighborhoods was a lot of Carrie Lake signs.
02:47:39.000And I didn't see one single one of Hobbs.
02:47:42.000And Katie Hobbs, like her social media on Instagram had like 6,000 followers, like literally on the election night, compared to Carrie Lake's at like 300,000.
02:50:53.000And it was all about the Diebold voting systems and that these voting systems have been manipulated to help the Republicans win.
02:51:00.000So there's always been this sort of There's always been this narrative that your elections are not fair, and a lot of that is being reinforced by these troll sites,
02:51:17.000these troll farms like in Macedonia, they have a bunch of them, and then Russia, and they've been doing that to try to undermine our faith in democracy forever.
02:51:27.000A lot of people, they get their information from these websites and Facebook pages that aren't even based in America, and they're purely designed to get us upset at the election process and undermine our faith in the system.
02:51:41.000And they found out that 20 out of the top 20 Facebook pages, that 19 of the top 20 were all Russian troll farms.
02:54:29.000It's supposed to be like he says something and then let someone from the left, let Elizabeth Warren go after him or let this person go after him.
02:54:52.000They're going to keep pushing it further and further and further until you're going to have a very narrow window of communication, a very narrow lane of your ability to express yourself, and it's not going to accurately represent people, and they're going to whisper things in pubs and whisper things in coffee shops,
02:55:08.000and that's going to be the real truth.
02:55:17.000In worst case scenario, they got ridiculed and laughed at and life went on and everything was fine.
02:55:22.000The merry-go-round of life worked out just fine with everyone being able to say whatever they want to say.
02:55:27.000And now all of a sudden it's a problem.
02:55:29.000So they're conditioning the younger demographic to be like, you're right.
02:55:32.000This is – This is dangerous misinformation.
02:55:35.000The younger demographic, these Gen Zs, they don't remember what I remember before, like the days before 9-11, being a senior in high school when that went down and just how everything has slowly started changing since.
02:55:45.000They don't understand that freedom of speech was always a thing.
02:55:49.000There wasn't censorship and everything was fine.
02:55:52.000And now they censor and now you see problems.
02:55:56.000Well, there's also the problem that social media for the most part is controlled by the left.
02:56:01.000It's almost entirely owned and controlled by tech companies who are very progressive and educated and primarily lean left.
02:56:09.000They used to be the other way for a long time.
02:56:11.000They blow with the wind a little bit in terms of political favor and control.
02:56:17.000But tech has always been different than social media.
02:56:21.000Combined with social media, that form of tech is the distribution of information tech.
02:56:31.000Devin Nunes, the former California congressman who left office to run Donald Trump's app TrueSocial, has remained quiet as the platform continues to be plagued with issues.
02:57:13.000I mean, think about Gab, and think about a lot of these other ones that they created, Getter.
02:57:18.000There's a lot of them they created, they just went away.
02:57:21.000I mean, if you got a fucking figurehead as big as Donald Trump, and he's banned from Twitter, and you say, this is the only way to get the voice of the king, and you put it on true social, people can invest in that.
02:57:32.000And if they're gonna invest in that, they're gonna be very hesitant.
02:57:35.000Well, how do I know he's not gonna go back to Twitter?
02:57:45.000But I would imagine that he has some sort of a deal.
02:57:48.000Also, I would imagine that if that is his company, he would be wise enough to go, you know what, this is worth nothing if I go onto Twitter.
02:57:55.000So if I'm going to sell this one day and make a big Profit.
02:57:59.000These are the people that invested in oil.