On this episode of the Joe Rogan Experience, we have our first guest on the show, Mike Glover. We talk about his journey from Phoenix, AZ to the Canadian border in a self-sustained trip with one tank of gas, and how he got there. We also talk about how he prepared for the trip, and why you should be prepared to go on an overland bug out in your vehicle if you're planning on going that far. Joe also talks about his carnivore diet, and what it takes to survive on the road and stay alive while doing so. Joe and Mike also talk a little bit about what it's like to be a prepper and how important it is to have a backup fuel tank to make it back and forth across the country on the back of your pickup truck. Enjoy the episode, and don't forget to leave us a review on Apple Podcasts and other podcasting platforms! Thanks for listening, and Happy Thanksgiving! -Joe Rogan and God Bless! -Eugene and Mike Glanville If you like what you hear, please HIT SUBSCRIBE and subscribe to our other Podcasts! We'll be looking out for your comments and thoughts in the comments section below! Cheers, Cheers. -Jon and Mike! -Jon & Mike's Dad's Podcast, Kevin and Mike's Podcast! Check it out! Jon Rogan Podcast by day, by night, all day! -The Joe Rogans Podcast by night! -By night, by day! by night. -All day podcast by day. - by night? - The Joes Podcast. by day - all day all day, the Joes podcast by night - by day... by night... Jon's Podcast? -By day, all night, and by night!! , all day? , by night all day. By night! . all day... all day?? ? All day, a good day, bye! -night! -good to meet you, bye. -night, bye, bye? Love, bye bye, love, bye... bye, good night, bye - bye? -Good night, love you love you bye? Love, Bye, bye - bye, Joe and good night! Love, Mike & Mike? -AJ & GOT a chance? -JOGAN
00:00:56.000But this, I did it like the old school way.
00:00:58.000Burnt the logs and the offset smoker, regulated it with the dampers, got the temperature up to like 250 degrees, put the steaks on, smoked the steaks until I got them to 110 internal temperature, and then seared them.
00:01:12.000There's like a charcoal grill on the side.
00:03:15.000So like if you have a $100,000 vehicle because you're like the Overland bug out guy and you have a quarter tank of gas, then you have a big lead weight that's just nothing.
00:03:39.000And then a reserve tank, Titan, has a reserve tank about 30 gallons.
00:03:44.000And then you can get an extended fuel tank.
00:03:47.000I talk about this like it's innovative, like it's new, but if you live in rural Montana or rural anywhere in America, you roll with a 75-gallon tank in the back of your pickup truck because you'll go 500 miles before you see the next gas station.
00:04:04.000What's interesting about this is It should be something that people should have in their mind, like this kind of information.
00:04:12.000There's nothing bad about having this kind of information, but wasn't there a thing where some parts of the government were trying to label people as potential terrorists for preparing for things going bad?
00:05:01.000Because if you're preparing, you're preparing for something.
00:05:05.000And if you're doing it domestically, then it potentially could label you as a militant or a militia or violent extremist, as I was labeled by Facebook.
00:05:21.000Well, what if there's a natural disaster?
00:05:23.000What if it has nothing to do with some sort of a thing where you're, you know, trying to run from people?
00:05:30.000My whole thing with the company, Fieldcraft Survival, is it's all about self-reliance and kind of...
00:05:38.000Cutting the umbilical cord or at least distancing yourself from institutions because when things fail typically the institution breaks It doesn't just fail it breaks and that causes a lot of issues We've seen that recently with natural disasters and man-made disasters But the education behind it is just learn how to take care of yourself long term short term and long term and That according to Facebook at the time and now is extreme How weird.
00:06:48.000Evaluate you and reduce your overall compensation and say you're not 90 now you're 60 and Based on based on they could say your hearing is better than it was last time You know you you picked up a couple decibels and we are going to reduce your pay and compensation and reduce your disability so In the military if you're a hundred percent total and permanent it means they can't screw with you.
00:07:14.000So how are you a hundred percent total and permanent?
00:07:41.000Like I got sleep apnea, that's a percentage.
00:07:44.000When they add it all together and sum it up, it could be over 100%.
00:07:48.000Mine's like 200 plus percent when they've added everything, and then they go, okay, then you're 100% service-connected, disabled, total and permanent, which means they can't evaluate you and reduce your compensation or your stuff.
00:08:01.000So me, for example, I am 100% service-connected, but I'm also, I have TBI and post-traumatic stress because of that TBI. Which is kind of what I wanted.
00:08:15.000This is a weird one, but if you talk to a military guy, an Andy Stumpf, all these guys that are buddies of mine, when they come out of the military, especially in special operations, they don't want to say they're disabled, or they have a problem,
00:08:34.000So I don't know if this is luckily, but I think it's better.
00:08:39.000TBI, because the symptoms of traumatic brain injury happen to be the same as post-traumatic stress, they could label you as having that.
00:08:47.000My concern, which is a concern even today, if they label me with PTSD and said, you're 100% connected because you have PTSD, we're going to take away your guns.
00:08:58.000So the red flag laws and all that scare the hell out of me, and a lot of veterans.
00:09:04.000When I went into the Veteran Affairs for my evaluation, it was in Texas, in San Antonio.
00:09:09.000And I walked into the office, and there was a long hallway, and there were dudes doing construction in the hallway.
00:09:17.000And I heard a loud bang behind me as I entered the room.
00:09:21.000And the doctor was looking at me, and I turned around and was like, what was that?
00:09:52.000So the challenging, whether or not you've, a person who's actually been to combat, whether or not you've seen X amount of bodies, I find that hard to believe.
00:13:42.000So if they're used to seeing 99.9% of the people they talk to are saying, I've never seen a dead body or saw one, and I say hundreds, I get it.
00:14:32.000These guys' experiences in going to the veteran affairs system and then talking to somebody who's interviewing a cook in the 82nd Airborne Division, two very different stories there.
00:15:01.000You need care, comprehensive care, but we're not getting that.
00:15:04.000And so the fear is that you could get labeled, because of your experiences, you could get labeled as being, would they say, impaired or incompetent and they could take away your right to carry a firearm?
00:15:20.000Yeah, because the red flags law or the proposal for the red flags law is anybody who is deemed mentally unfit to carry a firearm or to buy a firearm.
00:16:36.000And I had nearly 20 years of experience in crisis, counterterrorism, and risk mitigation, all these things at a very high level.
00:16:45.000I had a bachelor's degree, and I was overqualified for the position, and I didn't get it.
00:16:50.000One of my buddies who was sitting on the board for that job said they thought it was high liability that I was a sniper and applying for that job because he kills people.
00:17:02.000And so when I think about these red flag laws and if this, depending on who it is, call it whatever, X administration, everybody who's labeled, you have PTSD. You're screwed.
00:17:15.000You're not going to be able to have a gun.
00:17:16.000You're not even going to be able to buy a gun.
00:17:21.000So, if you're hiring someone to do security, so you're hiring someone to protect you from potential armed threats, Wouldn't you want someone who has experience with potential armed threats?
00:17:36.000Wouldn't you want someone who's experienced gunfights?
00:17:40.000Yeah, and I think the overall problem is...
00:17:44.000Like, when they ask me if I had post-traumatic stress, they're like...
00:17:49.000Based on our evaluation of you and what you're saying, you have PTSD. And I said I didn't agree.
00:17:55.000And so I got it to where they said, okay, you have TBI and the symptoms are associated with PTSD. I guess I can give you a thumbs up with that.
00:19:39.000Because there's not a part on the answer that could say, hey, he's having dreams, but they're not night terror dreams about combat and dying.
00:19:48.000So he could be labeled somebody who has PTSD because of that.
00:19:52.000Like I have buddies who answer the questionnaire who don't have PTSD. I don't think I have PTSD. Do I have transitional issues?
00:20:03.000If a dog in the military serves for 20 years, and then you take that dog who's used to biting people's asses, sniffing out bombs, getting blown up in combat, training as a protocol, and then you transition them to the living room, and it's your house pet,
00:20:21.000There's gonna be a transitional period.
00:20:22.000Give me a buffer, give me some time to kind of unscrew my systems, get back to a normal protocol that's civilian life, and then question me.
00:20:32.000But they're questioning these guys right after they get out.
00:20:34.000And of course they're going to be fucked up.
00:20:35.000Of course they're going to be all screwed up.
00:20:38.000And legitimately some guys have PTSD. They've been blown up in the one moment.
00:20:43.000But most of the guys that I know, Jack Hart, Tim Kennedy, all these guys that I serve with at pretty high levels, we don't have PTSD. We profoundly enjoyed our experience.
00:20:56.000I'm not shivering underneath my blanket worried a concern about war.
00:21:00.000I'm actually more having nightmares about missing out on those kind of efforts with guys that I serve with who are, you know, certainly still serving.
00:21:10.000That's such an interesting perspective for people who haven't served the idea that you feel like you're missing out on it or and I Appreciate your honesty saying that it was fun or saying that it's easier than civilian life Yeah, it's the first thing I transitioned out of the military in a contractor with a central intelligence agency,
00:21:34.000Because, you know, call it a brotherhood, call it tribe, call it whatever you want.
00:21:39.000I had a great run with amazing human beings.
00:21:43.000What I noticed when I went from the military to waking up in an air mattress in an apartment in San Antonio is civilian life sucks.
00:21:53.000Where do you go for connectivity, for tribe?
00:21:58.000If you don't belong to a dojo, if you don't belong to a gym, if you don't go to a church, then you don't have that feeling of purpose and that feeling of community.
00:22:10.000So I went from a place where my family were the teammates that I served with.
00:22:15.000And transition into civilian life where everybody's worried about their own game.
00:22:50.000It's not necessarily a traumatic experience in one moment in time that took place that is the PTSD. It's like getting kicked in the dick every day being a civilian when you didn't have to before because you have everything at your fingertips.
00:23:06.000That would give you PTSD if you didn't have it.
00:23:23.000But, you know, he went out to Restrepo in Afghanistan and experienced that at a very high level.
00:23:30.000And then, even in his own reflection, leaving that, he was like, man, I'm missing something.
00:23:35.000And, you know, societally, I think profoundly, likely, a lot of the issues we're dealing with, depression, suicide, drug overdoses at a record high, are caused because of that lack of purpose, that lack of tribe.
00:23:49.000And maybe in a way, all the guys like myself, Evan Hafer, we're all trying to pick up our own tribes in our own way.
00:23:59.000I mean, that's certainly why I started my company.
00:24:02.000No, I think there's definitely something to that, and there definitely seems to be this thing that happens to a lot of guys when they get out of the military.
00:24:09.000It happens to a lot of guys who do anything where you have a tight-knit group of people that are like-minded, that are trying to do the same thing.
00:24:19.000You see with fighters, too, where they retire from fighting, and then they're not in the gym anymore, they're not training with guys anymore, they're not like...
00:24:27.000You're not traveling together all the time and supporting each other.
00:24:38.000They need something to try to either soothe themselves or...
00:24:44.000Give themselves some sort of a feeling because the feelings that you have when you're training and fighting, I would imagine it's even far more extreme if you're in the military and then you're overseas and you're with these people and you have this intense bond and then all of a sudden it goes away.
00:26:28.000You shoot, move, and communicate every day.
00:26:31.000On the weekends, you're shooting civilian USPSA because you want to be better as a practical shooter so you can be better as an operator.
00:26:39.000All these things matter, and that's your life.
00:26:42.000And you churn what we call the playbook, where you train up for combat, you go to combat, and then you have a down cycle, which doesn't exist.
00:26:49.000And you do that for 20 years, two decades.
00:26:52.000And then the machine spits you out, and then what do you do?
00:27:37.000But they're doing all they can to bring back purpose into their life to give back.
00:27:42.000Because I think that's, you know, whether it's nonprofit, whether it's giving back, whether it's building community, That's the closest thing that feels like it was on the teams where you're doing something selfless in service.
00:28:33.000But there's nothing that I've seen that is fully integrated.
00:28:38.000Now, if you're a member of a special missions unit, a high-level player in counterterrorism, they have their nonprofits doing good work that are helping those guys out because it's smaller numbers, I would say.
00:28:51.000But if you're a Ranger, if you're a Green Beret, if you're a regular Army kid, you have no tools at your disposal.
00:28:59.000I mean, when I cleared the Army, I cleared the Army in a week and signed out of the military and then transitioned into the CIA. And there were no tools, no briefs, no understanding of what civilian life was going to be.
00:29:12.000So as much as we prep our guys to go downrange and put them in harm's way to kill bad guys, we should be thinking the same thing about setting them up for success and transitioning them into civilian world.
00:29:24.000Or they're going to look at themselves as the bad guy.
00:29:48.000And if you could make yourself an asset, you can, but what tools do you have at your disposal?
00:29:53.000So when you get out and your wife is upset because for the first time you're home and you're just pissing her off, your kids don't know you, you can't get a job, You don't have tools.
00:30:04.000You don't want to bug your teammates who are doing the job right now.
00:30:08.000Well, you look at yourself as a burden and you check out.
00:30:10.000And that's what a lot of guys are doing.
00:30:13.000And what about like giving you – do they give you any counseling on how to deal with some of the more traumatic experiences of the military, how to get over it?
00:30:24.000Like if they think you have PTSD or they think you have like some nightmares and night terrors, do they give you any sort of counseling on how to mitigate those issues, how to calm yourself down or?
00:30:48.000And the guys who want to go to war are going to find ways to go to war.
00:30:54.000If you come back from war and you do a questionnaire and they say, do you have problems, especially mental health issues, and you say anything, you're going to be pulled from the team.
00:31:04.000So you're not even going to be sitting on the bench.
00:31:07.000You're going to be pulled from the team.
00:31:09.000You're going to be put in some staff job while you get counseling.
00:31:21.000So there's no incentive to raise your hand and say, I'm having problems.
00:31:24.000And most, I would say, don't have the tools to self-identify if they're having problems.
00:31:30.000Even in myself and a lot of the guys I serve with, when we are drinking a little bit too much or when we're using Ambien to go to sleep because we can't sleep, All these things we thought were normal because we're part of the culture.
00:31:45.000And then when you kind of separate from that, you get your shit together.
00:31:49.000If you're lucky, you look back and go, damn, I was really fucked up.
00:31:55.000So, when you got out, and how do you transition into field craft survival?
00:31:59.000Like, how much time was it, like, from being in the CIA? When did you decide to start doing this?
00:32:05.000So, I was downrange with the government in Pakistan.
00:32:12.000And my riding partner was a Navy SEAL. And he was the brother of Owens, Ryan Owens, who was killed in a Haas' rescue with SEAL Team 6. And we were kind of looking at our lives and assessing everything.
00:32:30.000And I was, you know, I was a babysitter for case officers.
00:32:34.000Like it's, like 13 Hours in Maghazi does depict the job well.
00:32:54.000I was like, dude, I'm tired of babysitting fucking people.
00:32:56.000I was a reserve sergeant major here in B caves.
00:33:01.000Big shout out to 19th Special Forces Group and Special Operations Detachment Africa.
00:33:05.000I was actually Tim Kennedy's boss, his J3 sergeant major.
00:33:08.000And so I was going down range with the agency, flying back, Turning around, putting on a different uniform, and deploying overseas to Africa.
00:33:18.000Then coming back, putting on a different uniform, and then going back overseas.
00:34:27.000And you just realized you couldn't do that very much longer?
00:34:30.000I realized, like, looking at teammates that were 50-plus years old who were making $50,000 a trip, going back home, blowing it on dumb shit, buying the next Harley, the next pickup truck, getting broke, and then coming back doing it again for decades.
00:34:47.000That's not the overall experience for most.
00:34:49.000But seeing that, I was like, I don't want that.
00:34:54.000And so how difficult was it to sort of craft this field craft survival program and then to get it out there?
00:35:02.000To get it to the point where now it's like it's a big thing on social media and you've got a huge following and a lot of videos with a lot of views and it's very popular.
00:35:11.000But like what was that like to try to get that launch?
00:35:14.000Because you're essentially starting from zero.
00:35:47.000Preparedness as a whole, it's got a bad stereotype, the tinfoil hat shit, right?
00:35:52.000So I had a lot of stigmas to break, stereotypes to break through, and then I had to create a protocol.
00:35:58.000One of the first things that I did was I read a book called Survival Psychology by John Leach, which talked about the reason people live and the reason people die.
00:36:28.000So 108010 is the demographic of people broken down by percentage in population of all the case studies he did of catastrophes.
00:36:39.000Ship sinking, massive fires, all kinds of shit.
00:36:43.000And he determined that 10% of the population of most disasters survive.
00:36:50.000And the reason they survive is because they make rapid decisions, they adapt in real time, and they come from lines of work where that's necessary.
00:37:00.000The military, law enforcement, teachers, people who are cognitive under stress in the moment and make the right decision.
00:37:07.00080% of the population is broken down about 50-50.
00:37:12.000They're guys who have good intent, they make the decision, but on a second floor fire, they run to the third floor, they jump out and they fall on their fucking head.
00:37:22.000They had a plan, but it just didn't work out for them.
00:37:26.000And then the bottom 10% is the bottom of the barrel, where 10% of every catastrophe, people are just going to fucking die.
00:37:35.000They're going to jump off the boat when the boat's sinking, not realizing or forgetting they can't swim.
00:37:40.000And they hand out life preservers to everybody else but themselves.
00:37:43.000They jump in the water and they fucking drown.
00:37:45.000So, when I assessed this, I started looking at psychology, statistical probability, and I realized I needed to create something in the preparedness world that was realistic.
00:37:56.000Because a lot of guys, they talk about things in, you know, the apocalypse, the worst case scenario.
00:38:05.000What I wanted to do is kind of sum it up to a question I had, and this was my business kind of hypothesis.
00:38:14.000Why do special operators go out and do the most dangerous missions in the world and survive?
00:38:20.000Like if you took me and my team in 2007 under Task Force 16, we were working with JSOC, so you got 22 SAS British operators, you got SEAL Team 6, you got the unit, you got Ranger Regiment, you got the commanders in extremist force,
00:39:31.000So being a cook in 101st Airborne Division and you're told to get on a 50 cal and go down a main supply route because we don't have anybody else, that's a dangerous job.
00:39:43.000But when you plan, when you plan for things to go wrong and contingencies, when you're fit, because that's part of your culture, when you fight, that's part of your culture, when you look at the equipment and you pay attention to all these things that matter, it's a lifestyle.
00:39:59.000So if people want to be better prepared, I came to the understanding that they have to live the lifestyle.
00:40:09.000We're talking about like new guys getting guns before.
00:40:12.000If a new guy gets a gun and they think that gun is going to solve their problems, if they go out and get a go bag with all the cool shit because they buy it off the shelf at REI and throw it in the trunk of their car, but they haven't integrated into their lives, trained it, used it in education,
00:40:29.000taught it to their kids, then it's a tool that's not likely going to be utilized.
00:40:34.000So we needed to redefine that culture.
00:40:36.000We needed to create it from fucking scratch is what we did.
00:40:38.000And does that culture include like an exercise program?
00:40:42.000Does it include like a mindset program?
00:40:54.000For example, we just did a family preparedness program called 62, named after the Homestead Act of 1862. It's a long-form online course, 12 weeks long, where we teach people in the academics how to can,
00:41:11.000how to jar, how to defend yourself, how to treat a wound, how to maintain situational awareness, all that shit, which is very comprehensive.
00:41:19.000We even teach people how to homeschool their kids.
00:41:22.000I mean, homeschooling your kids up until recently wasn't a thing.
00:41:27.000It's increased, I think, 10% since 2016. Well, it increased a lot during the pandemic.
00:41:33.000It increased a lot during the pandemic.
00:41:35.000That 10% is like $56 billion of savings to the American taxpayer.
00:41:42.000And a lot of people are insourcing this, but these tools that we teach breed self-reliance, where you don't have to depend on systems and institutions.
00:43:35.000You know, I was being optimistic about that.
00:43:39.000Well, when Kyle Serafin, have you heard that name?
00:43:44.000He's the FBI agent who leaked the documents of militant, violent extremists, MVEs, that were determined by the FBI of being people and groups of interest.
00:44:26.000And the police told the community, I'm sorry, the police chief told the police through an email, We will not respond to calls in and around the area of Chaz unless it's a mass casualty event.
00:44:42.000So there were law-abiding citizens who were getting affected by politics coming down on law enforcement officers and telling them not to do their damn job.
00:44:54.000So when this kind of evolved, I said, I'm going to start a group called American Contingency where people can depend on each other.
00:45:03.000So that kind of manifested itself into a group, a forum, and the FBI analyst that was doing open source searches on intelligence discovered the group and determined that we were extremists and labeled us so.
00:45:21.000When he did that, he contacted Facebook.
00:45:23.000The FBI contacted all these social media platforms.
00:45:26.000My company account got shut down from Shopify.
00:45:30.000Shopify said, you have 48 hours to get your information, and you're gone.
00:45:35.000So, a multi-million dollar business, gone.
00:46:45.000USA Today published it, and when the national media picked it up, it spread like wildfire, and everything got deleted.
00:46:51.000When that happened, I said, hey, is there a way that we could maybe get our stuff back?
00:46:56.000Because they're saying, we acknowledge it was a mistake.
00:47:00.000These guys and this guy, Mike Glover, is not a terrorist.
00:47:04.000He looked into it and got a response from the India team, from India, that was managing my account that said, we looked into it and he is a domestic terrorist.
00:47:17.000And we cannot free up this account because he's been labeled a domestic terrorist.
00:47:23.000How that got determined was likely from the FBI telling everybody, but it still exists today.
00:47:29.000I mean, today it still exists, and I'm walking on eggshells.
00:47:32.000So you today are listed as a domestic terrorist?
00:47:35.000A domestic, on Facebook, which translates to Instagram.
00:47:42.000I have the screen grab from that conversation from Team India.
00:47:47.000Ireland was managing my account when it originally got deleted.
00:47:50.000They off-boarded to India, which obviously there's going to be cultural issues there.
00:47:55.000I am still labeled a domestic terrorist group with American contingency and myself labeled that as well.
00:48:03.000Now, when they do this, do they have to point to any one specific thing that you guys are advocating?
00:48:09.000Like, how can they just say you're a domestic terrorist because you're telling people how to travel from Arizona to Canada and one tank of gas and how to treat wounds and how to deal with a one-on-one combat situation?
00:48:25.000Don't they have to have one thing they can point to?
00:48:28.000Well, Mike Glover said this, so this puts him in that category.
00:48:32.000There was some analysis done from Kyle Serafin who, when he did this, he screen grabbed some stuff and it looks like it was just this analyst said it.
00:49:42.000We had to submit proof of January 6th that we weren't involved at all.
00:49:46.000In fact, I went out and said, hey, as an organization, you should be concerned about taking care of your family, defending your family, taking care of your family.
00:49:54.000Stay the fuck away from Washington, D.C. That is literally what we put out.
00:49:59.000And still, that wasn't enough to get us off the list You have to prove that you weren't involved in January 6th.
00:50:23.000Well, a lot of the guys who were getting rolled up, they were doing assessments of CCTV cameras and just using facial recognition to identify dudes and just go roll them up.
00:50:36.000And I never thought to ever go there because the whole thing was fucking dumb to me.
00:50:42.000But I'm like, dude, imagine if I showed up with a correlation of, hey, this guy's labeled a terrorist.
00:51:04.000It's just so nuts to me that you have to prove that you weren't a part of something when there's no evidence that you were.
00:51:12.000The burden being on you to prove that you weren't there is so crazy.
00:51:17.000The guy who wrote this, it's Google-able, but if you probably put in Mike Glover, domestic terrorist, a couple articles we'll launch.
00:51:26.000They had pictures of me and a whole bunch of people in Heber City, Utah, where my headquarters is at.
00:51:33.000Those pictures we were doing community events raising money for charity and they were calling They said like Green Beret teaching militia all these different tactics It was 20. It was actually impressive writing.
00:51:48.000It looked like AI wrote the shit like chat That chat shit GPT wrote it because it was so well structured That if you read it and you didn't know who the fuck I was, you'd be like, this dude's a terrorist.
00:52:19.000I'm an entrepreneur running a business trying to live my best life and I want to be left the fuck alone and now I'm being labeled a domestic terrorist by the same organizations I worked with and for.
00:52:30.000And no advocating whatsoever about trying to overthrow the government or attacking people or taking back your rights or storming the Capitol.
00:52:42.000All of it is about being prepared for natural disasters, for the grid going down, something happening where you have to protect yourself or your family.
00:53:01.000Civilization if the grid goes down if a natural disaster happens if something goes sideways look with a disease that kills a very small amount of people shut the entire country down and It wrecked the economy and fucked up a lot of people's lives and We didn't learn from that.
00:53:20.000We didn't learn like, hey, you know, maybe we should have some food stored.
00:53:25.000Maybe we should have some contingency plan.
00:53:27.000Maybe we should have a full tank of gas always when we park our car at night so we can get out of town.
00:53:32.000Maybe we should have, you know, firearms or, you know, fishing poles, like fucking something.
00:54:19.000We tried to rebut it through emails, but they're like, nah, this shit, we're not gonna, you can't do it.
00:54:25.000You could do it with millions of dollars and a lot of litigation over the course of time, but you don't have the ability to do it, and we couldn't do it.
00:54:38.000And it's still, I mean, as far as I know from four months ago, Facebook, like if you went in and you tried to type in AmericanContingency.com into Facebook or Instagram as an algorithm, it detects it and will shut it down.
00:54:54.000They delete my mom as an entrepreneur.
00:54:58.000A Korean immigrant, well, she married my dad when she was stationed in the army in Korea, brought her over, started her business from shit, from scratch.
00:55:10.000Like, put a one-chair salon in our garage that was dirt garage, put concrete down, and started that business from the ground up.
00:55:20.000Worked 29 years at this point building this business.
00:55:25.000Had a Facebook account with a few thousand followers in Fayetteville, North Carolina at Miwa's Beauty Salon and Spa.
00:55:54.000Because, you know, they used to have those prepper TV shows, and a lot of them just seemed paranoid, and some of them just seemed wise.
00:56:01.000Like, some of them just seemed like, hey, probably a good idea to have some food laying around, probably a good idea to have a plan in case anything goes bad.
00:56:08.000Well, when did it become a narrative that someone who's preparing is a potential domestic terrorist?
00:56:14.000I think it was the onset of the COVID. When COVID happened, we were talking about preparedness years prior to this.
00:56:25.000In November of 2019, after watching Bill Gates' documentary on basically COVID, I think it was on Netflix, and he was talking about pandemics and all the potential for mass catastrophe and loss in human populations.
00:57:32.000Justified shootings according to civilians not a high probability you're gonna be in a fucking gunfight But you should learn to defend yourself and your family with responsible firearms ownership and gun handling That that is not extreme But when you sum it up and you say we're a preparedness company and who owns the preparedness company a former CIA bootlicker A fucking...
00:58:28.000At what level are they worried about you?
00:58:32.000And when you're not saying, hey, we need to overthrow the government, all you're saying is, I don't want to die if the power goes off.
00:58:39.000How the fuck does that make you a terrorist?
00:58:41.000If you look at it too, it's a good relationship and collaboration with guys like us, companies like us, and the government.
00:58:50.000Because we're straining the government less.
00:58:53.000So when you look at this bomb cyclone that ripped through our country, this bomb cyclone came through and then brought a wave of rain across the country that dumps snow, rain comes in, it floods everywhere, it fucks up everything.
00:59:08.000One of the issues were, like in New York, there was a girl, 22 years old, who died in her car on a city street, six minutes from her home.
00:59:20.000She spent hours in her car FaceTiming, messaging her family, and was like, I'm stuck.
00:59:27.000I don't know the cause of death, but I likely...
00:59:49.000But if people are dying, which dozens of people in that county in Buffalo, New York died, then us educating people on best practices and tactics on not dying should not be seen as extreme.
01:00:04.000When I did American Contendency, we had thousands of people on board, hundreds of thousands of people on board.
01:00:10.000And when you have control in the communication to a population, let's say it's my market, but they look at it as like that's your militia, they get concerned.
01:00:20.000Because the more that you have control or influence, Then the scarier they become, the more oversight they want.
01:01:01.000We're collaborating with a lot of stuff.
01:01:03.000One of the missing components that we are missing in our program is jiu-jitsu.
01:01:07.000And we want to start an American jiu-jitsu program in our program because that's the start point, I think.
01:01:13.000Anyways, Greg is like, no one's coming to save you.
01:01:16.000Ours is you are your own first response.
01:01:18.000And we say, hey, look, you have an officer.
01:01:22.000Let's say it's 8 to 12 minutes average response time of a law enforcement officer or a first responder, a paramedic EMT. If you cut your, let's say you caught your femoral artery in a vehicle accident, and you bleed out and die, and you could have done something about it,
01:01:39.000But if the narrative is shifted, then it's, you're not supporting law enforcement, and you're saying law enforcement is bad, and you're anti-government, or anti-police, or whatever it is.
01:01:50.000So what they're doing is taking all the communication we have, reversing the narrative to fit their cause, and then using it as a talking point.
01:02:00.000Essentially, this analyst at the FBI who did this assessment, he put it out there, immediately got rebutted.
01:02:06.000I assume it's a hostage rescue guy from their HRT. A guy comes in and goes, and it's anonymous, and you could probably see it on the back end, but he's like, hey, I know Glover.
01:02:19.000Dude, they went through my DD-214, like my military record, and they went into my medical records at Veteran Affairs.
01:02:26.000Kyle Serafin's sum up has all the things they did.
01:02:30.000They looked into my background, pulled my med records to look at all the shit that I've been through to determine if I was potentially fucking crazy.
01:02:38.000And I'm like, how is this happening right now?
01:02:42.000And why the fuck are you guys worried about me?
01:02:45.000There are terrorists you need to worry about.
01:02:47.000There are investigations that actually matter.
01:03:02.000But, you know, Twitter is the last place you have to worry about now because, you know, the way Elon's handling things, he's opened up a lot more to people being able to have free speech.
01:03:12.000But the idea that you would be labeled a terrorist because you're trying to protect people and give people the option to save themselves, essentially, to...
01:03:21.000Get yourself out of harm's way and have the schooling and the tools to be able to survive if something goes bad.
01:03:29.000The idea that that's domestic terrorism is so fucking crazy.
01:03:35.000I really wish it was some way for you to not just get everything back, but like people, you can't just do that.
01:03:44.000You can't just decide that people can't prepare for the worst case scenario and lump them in carelessly and recklessly into terrorist groups.
01:03:55.000Because you don't like that idea for some strange reason.
01:03:58.000Because in your head, you've equated preparedness to domestic terrorism, which is so fucking stupid.
01:04:05.000You know, it's like, what do they have in common?
01:04:22.000There's a real value in knowing what to do if something goes bad.
01:04:27.000How many people in that buffalo freeze could have saved their lives?
01:04:31.000If they had some sort of a preparative plan, if they had a bug-out bag, if it's like a sleeping bag in their car so they didn't freeze to death.
01:04:38.000People froze to death in their fucking cars.
01:04:40.000What if you had something, some sort of a blanket?
01:04:43.000Like, I have friends that live in Alaska.
01:04:45.000They don't go anywhere without something in their car to keep them warm.
01:04:49.000If something goes wrong, you get a blown out tire and you're a hundred miles outside of town, you're fucked.
01:05:03.000It's just this nonchalant ability to just recklessly label people Because what?
01:05:11.000Because they have a military background?
01:05:13.000Because there's little boxes that you want to check?
01:05:16.000So you want to be able to lump them easily into a dismissible or, even worse, a marginalized group of people where you're able to just stop their progress, stop their business, stop their influence?
01:07:17.000His son and his dog are out on the property, because it's his fucking property, and they discover these guys in ghillie suits.
01:07:25.000The son raises his rifle, shoots and kills one of the FBI guys, and the FBI guys kill his son.
01:07:34.000So what would you do if you own property and rural anywhere in America?
01:07:38.000You hear gunshots and your fucking son's dead and you don't know what's going on.
01:07:43.000And it's a bunch of dudes in ghillie suits.
01:07:45.000So he winds up locking himself and barricading himself in the cabin and then they deploy the FBI hostage rescue team, HRT. I actually interviewed one of the guys that was at, he was in the sniper site as a sniper for FBI HRT when this went down.
01:08:04.000So, long story short, they kill his wife as well.
01:08:11.000They think, talking to one of the snipers, they thought that he was charging them into their position, but he was fake charging.
01:08:23.000Like, he was making a gesture like he was charging them.
01:08:27.000So they got panicky, and they started breaking shots off at him.
01:08:31.000I don't know if they wounded him, maybe wounded him, but he gets back inside, and so they dump the next person they saw, which happened to be the wife.
01:08:39.000So they end up barricading the place even more, and his ex-commander is the one that basically does a call-out and gets him to negotiate, and then eventually gets him to surrender.
01:08:53.000So all this is said and done, the FBI is found in the wrong.
01:09:00.000It's an insanely controversial topic, but if you look at the FBI, two of the successes, I mean, there was guys who got awards.
01:09:09.000From the FBI on that fucking mission like even though it was proven that they were even wrong Yeah, even though it's proven they were in the wrong like Waco is a good example of it as well But this is what I'm talking about like there's a there's a breakdown between organizations in the government and And their powers that be.
01:09:27.000And likely a cascade, a tipping point of mistakes that cascaded into the catastrophe that it was.
01:09:36.000I mean, we're seeing those things now.
01:09:38.000Like, what I do with my business in a free society is none of your fucking business.
01:09:42.000So, if you are the director of the FBI, and you know agents are probing into people's lives, who happen to be veterans, happen to be minorities, like fit all your shit...
01:09:52.000They're fucked up those dudes need to be fired and you need to make a statement to the public Letting them know hey, we're not fucking around here.
01:10:01.000We don't want constitutional rights infringed upon this guy was wrong to do that and What happened on our end they don't nobody cares that we potentially lost her but me and my marketing director Rob stayed up for 72 hours and And built everything back from scratch.
01:10:17.000I had a guy and I was teaching at Gritter Sports in Dallas, Texas a couple days ago.
01:11:45.000It's funny because people always tried to put us up against each other because they're like, oh, basically, you're like a sheepdog response.
01:11:51.000Technically, I started before Tim started sheepdog response.
01:13:50.000Like, you shouldn't be teaching those guys that.
01:13:52.000They need to be EMT, they need to be paramedic.
01:13:55.000You could build a fucking Tesla, like a homemade Tesla, chop shopped in your garage from a YouTube video, and they're getting offended that I'm teaching somebody how to apply a tourniquet that you could learn in three fucking minutes to stop the bleed from getting injured in an accident.
01:14:11.000Do you think it's just because the way it looks to them without examining it and having a conversation with you about it?
01:15:38.000And, you know, in Austin, they know it for a fact.
01:15:42.000Because if you call the cops, like, I know people that have businesses, and there was just an article today I was reading about people whose businesses get smashed into, and they call the cops and it takes an hour to get there.
01:15:54.000Cops are overburdened, understaffed, underappreciated.
01:15:58.000And, you know, you have to have some sort of a contingency program.
01:17:24.000My first experiences in ninjitsu were kind of funny because all my instructors outside of Fort Bragg, North Carolina, I was in Spring Lake at the time, they were Green Berets.
01:17:36.000So imagine a whole bunch of Green Berets.
01:17:38.000They're studying the art of the time, which is ninjitsu.
01:17:52.000I mean, I have a, my mom, we were broke as shit, man.
01:17:57.000My mom was very, we were very poor at the time.
01:18:01.000And she couldn't afford a lot, but she was like, you know, I took Taekwondo, like every Korean kid in Fayetteville, and was like, this is lame.
01:18:09.000I want to do something a little bit more aggressive.
01:18:11.000Is there something like a dark art or something?
01:19:17.000I don't know if it was a tactic or whatever it was, but I actually learned a lot about myself in those many instances.
01:19:26.000I don't know if that's practical, but for a kid who had probably ADD at the time, having to stand still for an hour and stare at myself for an hour, you figure your shit out really fast.
01:21:03.000Because it seems like these people really do believe that they've been touched by some crazy chi energy and they fall and they can't move their body.
01:21:21.000Like what is it about that death touch thing that it's so prevalent?
01:21:27.000Yeah, it's like, what do they call it?
01:21:29.000It's like survival surrender is a term in survival psychology where you submit and you just give up.
01:21:36.000It's like a primal instinct in us to have like a mechanism to kind of give up when there is a last ditch effort and we just kind of pass out.
01:21:48.000Same thing happens in church, like with people speaking in tongues and they touch.
01:21:53.000My mom was going through some shit when I was a teenager, and we used to go to different churches all the time because she was like experimenting and figuring out her shit.
01:22:03.000And we winded up going to a tent one time.
01:23:14.000Yeah, if you don't do it, you're the guy who doesn't do it when everybody's doing it.
01:23:18.000Well, I mean, I can say as a kid that started out in martial arts as a young teenager, when you go there, your instructor has this power over you that's beyond, like, they're not just a mentor.
01:23:32.000They literally are a master, and they're the ones that are going to teach you martial arts.
01:23:37.000And, you know, I was a pretty disrespectful kid, but when I was in martial arts, everything was yes sir, no sir, and You know, I had, like, great reverence for the Dojang.
01:23:48.000Like, I didn't treat it in any way, like, with disrespect.
01:24:50.000I think the only way you let some guy fuck everybody's wife and take all the money and stockpile guns, like, you have to really believe that this dude is in touch with God.
01:25:01.000Like, you have to really, really buy into it.
01:25:04.000And I don't know what it is about people that want to believe something that this one person has these extraordinary connections to the higher power or the extraordinary power above and beyond that of a normal person.
01:26:09.000Not just that, but they were instigated by the FBI. That's what's really crazy.
01:26:13.000What's really crazy to me is that, look, I'm not an anti-government person by any stretch of the imagination.
01:26:19.000I'm certainly not an anti-intelligence agency person.
01:26:22.000I certainly do think they're very valuable.
01:26:24.000But there's definitely people in there that are taking shortcuts.
01:26:28.000And when you're instigating people to do something that they were never going to do without you instigating them, when does that become entrapment?
01:26:35.000Like when you look at the Whitmer case where they're trying to kidnap the governor of Michigan and it turns out that 12 of the people that were involved out of 14 were federal informants?
01:27:12.000And also, it's what are you strategizing?
01:27:14.000Like, you're sitting at a table, and you're coming up with strategies, and that's your course of action one.
01:27:19.000Your course of action one is like, hey, we got these two losers who have nothing better going on in their life.
01:27:24.000Let's convince them to do some dumb shit and then put them in prison, and then it's a victory for us all.
01:27:29.000How much shit, like the cartel, all the drugs, all the real issues that we have to deal with, and these are the things that you're focused on?
01:27:37.000I mean, most of these guys who came out of the January 6th debacle, like the guy who sat at Nancy Pelosi's desk, he's like, I didn't fucking know what I was doing.
01:27:46.000He's like, I didn't even know it was Nancy's desk.
01:27:47.000I saw a piece of paper and thought it was Nancy, and I wrote her a note, and I regret the whole thing.
01:28:06.000And then there's that guy Ray Epps, that famous guy who they show him at the Capitol telling people to go in, and nobody's arrested that guy, no charges at all, and the FBI won't comment as to whether or not that guy was working with them.
01:28:22.000Look, for sure they do find people that are about to do horrible shit.
01:28:26.000They infiltrate terrible organizations and they do stop people in their tracks of doing terrible shit.
01:28:32.000But they also, they don't know when they get in there and then they instigate and they're trying to make a rest and then you have stuff like the Whitmer case.
01:28:42.000Well, if you look at Waco, too, or even Randy Weaver, when you provoke and when you turn somebody into a potential threat, let's call them domestic terrorists, what did you do to incite that reaction?
01:29:03.000But the idea that you're going to go there, kill his son with no recourse, and then somehow make it better by putting sniper hide positions and setting him up, if they killed him, like if social media existed back then,
01:32:02.000Yeah, and that's exactly what they'll try to do.
01:32:04.000It's just, it's very infuriating to me.
01:32:07.000And it's also, I think what you teach is very valuable.
01:32:10.000I mean, I've watched a bunch of your videos and it's all common sense and really good knowledge and the way you lay it out.
01:32:16.000And I think it's good for people to learn.
01:32:18.000It's like, if you find yourself in a situation where you can use Some of these tactics and information to save your life or the life of others, isn't that valuable?
01:32:28.000Are we trying to pretend that it's not possible that the grid can go down or that it's not possible that a natural disaster could take place or it's not possible that there could be some sort of an attack where you have to flee the city?
01:34:27.000I think I heard you recently talk on a podcast about people kind of not being resilient because they're already fearful of circumstance.
01:34:37.000And a lot of that lends itself from trait anxiety, which is people's, whether it's their experiences or background or their triggers in trauma or just their condition in stress, a lot of people walk around with trait anxiety where small shit Is big shit.
01:34:55.000First world problems, a traffic jam could turn you into a sympathetic nervous wreck where you literally are in fight or flight, smashing the steering wheel, screaming at the top of your lungs, more likely to commit a violent act.
01:35:10.000Well, why would that be important in preparedness?
01:35:12.000Because how you react to stress in low grade or high grade is important because high grade is the catastrophe.
01:37:32.000After that course, at the end of that course, when I got told I was a go, and I hadn't recycled, I took a shower after a couple weeks in the field and I was the last phase of that's in Eglin Air Force Base in the swamps of Florida.
01:37:49.000And when that water hit my back and that warm water like soaked my body, it was the like profoundly created a memory in me of man that was impactful, right?
01:38:01.000So when I look back at my personal experiences, the most impactful moments were also the most famished moments in my life, where I didn't have anything.
01:38:13.000We live so comfortable in abundance, we don't have a calculation for this.
01:38:17.000So we think everything that's going wrong on social media, which is emotionally controlling the fuck out of us, is a disaster.
01:38:24.000When an actual disaster hits you in the fucking face, maybe literally hits you in the face, Then you're awoken and you go, fuck, what do I do now?
01:38:34.000And you don't have the tools and you don't have the resilience to navigate it.
01:38:37.000Yeah, the way I've described it is the worst thing that's ever happened to you is the worst thing that's ever happened to you, even if it's someone being mean to you on Twitter.
01:38:45.000If that's all that's ever happened, that's the worst thing.
01:38:48.000But if you don't have the skills and if you don't have the experience of...
01:38:53.000Something actually bad happening where you have to figure out how to survive or at the very least something where your character is tested and your ability to deal with adversity is tested and tested all the time.
01:39:52.000They're always like pushing themselves through.
01:39:54.000So like normal difficult shit is not that difficult because it's not as bad as some fucking Strong ass motherfucker on top of you trying to literally cut off your carotid artery.
01:40:09.000That's what's happening on a daily basis.
01:40:11.000And if you don't have anything like that in your life where it's like, like there's times when you're rolling, you go into class and you're like, oh boy, I'm going to get fucked up.
01:40:22.000But you do it, you get through it, you get a valuable lesson out of that, you get more resilient, and it keeps building upon that every day, every day, a little bit stronger, a little bit more, and at least maintains a certain level of ability, ability to overcome and adapt.
01:40:39.000Some people don't have any of that shit in their life.
01:40:41.000Every day is just spent either in a car, on a train, on the way to work, in front of the desk, at home, watching TV, go to sleep, wake up, do it again.
01:40:50.000And they're literally like a fucking human jelly donut.
01:40:58.000I know it's like easier to do that than it is to seek discomfort and to seek stressors and to try to overcome and adapt and Figure out a life where you've balanced out strength and calm.
01:42:26.000They shoot paper, they shoot steel, they fall in love with themselves.
01:42:29.000But they don't implement stress because when when you are in a parasympathetic rest and digest and you go in a like a flash Cortisol norepinephrine dumps and you're in a sympathetic fight-or-flight response You shift your heart rate goes and spikes to 150 if you're not conditioned 170 180 190 beats per minute that is going to feel like chaos and And at the end of my course,
01:42:56.000where we learn technical skills, like how to do the thing, we do five minutes of calisthenics to get them to 150 beats per minute, because that's how long it takes, around five minutes of pushing and pulling, air squats, push-ups, jumping jacks, burpees, basic shit.
01:43:12.000When they get to 150, grown-ass men, three minutes into exercise, are moaning and groaning.
01:43:20.000And I'm like, nobody cares that you're moaning and groaning.
01:43:24.000Nobody fucking cares, because nobody's coming to save you.
01:43:27.000You need to start focusing on your breath and remembering what you're going to do.
01:43:31.000Do your mental model rehearsal for the execution of the part that we actually train so when they get up at 150 beats per minute They're supposed to as a baseline be 150 if you're out of shape which most people are 60% of our country is obese Then they're going to be at 170 180 and they can't perform and their technical proficiency falls apart And that's what I want to see because I want to see what you suck at I don't want to shake you I don't want to tap you on the back,
01:43:58.000shake your hand, and say, you've accomplished everything, good job, and then you walk away.
01:44:25.000Before they would go into the active shooting scenario, based on the protocol that we taught, I would take these law enforcement officers, grab them by their uniforms on a mat, and I'd start pummeling them.
01:44:35.000And so we'd start rolling basic jujitsu, and I would start applying pressure where needed.
01:44:40.000Some of the guys who weren't trained in jujitsu would immediately go into a fight or flight.
01:44:46.000They would start hyperventilating, hyper aroused, and they would get anxious.
01:44:50.000They would start, like, almost screaming.
01:44:52.000And I would have to coach them, calm down, collect your breath.
01:44:56.000What they don't realize is if their systems aren't conditioned, their central nervous system isn't conditioned, if that happened for real in active shooting, they would be propelled into that scenario and not be able to act, kill the bad guy,
01:45:11.000save the good guy, go into harm's way, make rapid decisions under stress, be technically proficient because they are not conditioned for stress, especially physically.
01:45:21.000I mean, it's classic cases, Uvalde, how it unraveled.
01:45:25.000This comfort crisis that we're living in is getting worse.
01:45:29.000I mean, most people that I know, they interact with their phones so much, they're losing touch and connection with reality, with their physical capability, and they'll virtue signal all day their technical proficiency, but it doesn't mean shit in an actual gunfight,
01:45:45.000like it doesn't mean anything in a physical confrontation.
01:45:48.000Yeah, if you have never experienced trying to perform at a very high level of arousal when your heart's jacked and your adrenaline's pumping through your system, you really don't know what that's like.
01:46:16.000And then all of a sudden a screaming bull is moving through the trees and you have this open window to shoot and your heart is fucking hammering in your chest and your pins moving around like this.
01:46:28.000And you're like, oh my god, I gotta figure out a way to calm myself the fuck down.
01:48:47.000Was it your friend that woke you up so you could fight for your life?
01:48:50.000Or was it when the Glock was put against the back of your head and then you went, oh, I need to fight, and then you got popped in it, and it's too late.
01:50:21.000And when he talks about it in reflection in the book, Unthinkable, he says, when I went to move, my legs wouldn't work, and I thought I was shot, And I said to myself, this isn't so bad.
01:51:46.000But does it have to have some natural selection aspect to it or could it just be just overwhelming stimuli and the inability to handle it so everything just shuts down?
01:51:54.000Well, it's both because the unique thing about human beings is we have, you know, call us, we're parallel primates, right?
01:52:02.000We go through a situation, like let's say we're walking down a trail and I see a snake.
01:52:08.000If I see a snake on the ground, I jump back because I'm, oh shit, it's a snake.
01:52:49.000Well, we have this fear of impending doom and we have this emotional mechanism where we try to Create the narrative and contemplation and understanding these things because we can figure out like what could go wrong We could figure out the courses of action that could lead to the bad outcome or the good outcome So here's the here's what I think is unique in in teaching resilience so in combat It's funny because Amanda Ripley talks about this and asking people in law enforcement and military
01:56:48.000But standing in the middle of an open field in Afghanistan on a helicopter landing zone, taking 107mm rockets that are decimating everything in your path, scared the shit out of me.
01:56:59.000The first time that happened, I remember I ran behind a HESCO and I like froze.
01:57:04.000Now, I worked through this circumstance.
01:58:01.000Because they had some fucking activated trigger in their trauma that...
01:58:06.000Hit that band that that called a buffer zone between between being resilient and quitting and It breached that and they fucking quit so you could be a trained operator you could be the most high-speed human being technically in the world and one thing can set you off and You could collapse and die in place because you don't have the tools The reason I'm saying that is because people,
01:58:32.000if they understand that, will train more, they'll expose themselves to their vulnerabilities and weakness more, including jujitsu, going camping, going hunting, being more resilient by exposing yourself, and they'll do everything they can to create distance between that band of resilience and the band of where they fall the fuck apart.
01:58:53.000Do they give you any mental tools in terms of things to concentrate, ways to think, ways to keep your mind inside a controllable parameter so that you can operate under heavy stress?
01:59:09.000Or at least it'll help you operate under heavy stress?
01:59:31.000I don't think any of us are adrenaline junkies at all.
01:59:34.000I've been on Little Bird's MH-60s, feet hanging off the helicopter, on the way to go assault a target of foreign fighters, sleeping on the helicopter prior to infilling.
01:59:56.000Hitting the X. Like, I mean, my five rotations on Iraq, all of those were special operations, and all of them very dynamic rotations.
02:00:05.000I've been in situations where I almost was killed, and it was super crazy of a situation, but I wasn't overwhelmed with stress.
02:00:17.000I've looked at my guys on a target, and all of them are standing out in the open in the middle of a gunfight, and they're just kind of hanging out.
02:00:26.000I'm like, guys, can you fucking take a knee?
02:00:29.000And they're with night vision, with infrared lasers on their guns, and they're standing out in the open.
02:01:36.000If me and you were falling, and this is an example of something we did, but we didn't realize what we were doing.
02:01:42.000If me and you were falling in free fall, and I was the new guy, and you were the senior guy, you would be flying around me like a fucking hummingbird, like zipping around me effortlessly.
02:01:51.000I would be overwhelmed by stress, freaking the fuck out in my head.
02:01:55.000I would be very narrow in my focus, not seeing my altimeter, seeing the earth coming closer to me and scared shitless.
02:02:03.000If I did look at my altimeter, I would glance at it and it would be hyper-focused.
02:02:08.000And then you would look at me and to calm me down, you would do this.
02:02:22.000So this is the hand and arm signal for arch.
02:02:24.000This is the hand and arm signal to relax.
02:02:26.000So if you said this, like this, when I did this, I'm literally moving my hands, which is bringing awareness back into my body, because I'm not thinking about impending doom in my head, and all of a sudden my body relaxes, and I'm like, oh, fuck.
02:02:41.000And I'm like, oh, I can see my altimeter.
02:02:45.000We get in our heads a lot, and breathing not only helps optimize oxygen in our body under stress, but it also is the awareness that if I'm breathing, I'm also thinking about breathing, which means I'm not thinking about impending doom, that I'm gonna fucking die.
02:03:00.000The second thing, we could wrap that part up with just affirmation.
02:03:06.000Most people, we're our own worst enemies, right?
02:04:22.000The problem with us is if we are looking for confirmation of the narrative in our heads, we'll go out into the world and we will look for evidence that we are who we say we are.
02:04:33.000So if you wake up and you're like, I'm a fat piece of shit, Then you'll walk into the world looking for evidence of that and go, that dude looked at my stomach.
02:05:18.000So if you want to become more resilient and more focused as a person, You need to wake up and say, I'm the fucking best.
02:05:25.000I mean, I know Andy Stumps, Jack Carr, and all the Navy SEALs that I know, they live this because they think they're the best.
02:05:30.000Navy SEALs think they're the fucking best.
02:05:33.000That's how you become more resilient because if you affirm every day, even if you're not, You say you're good enough or you're the best you're gonna do well.
02:05:51.000I'm gonna do it And if you go out in the world looking for that belief, you'll find it and you'll get better So you think there's a negative aspect to being too self-critical because you can sort of program yourself that you are a piece of shit and 100%.
02:11:36.000You know what you were saying about that shower that you took?
02:11:40.000I've had similar experiences, and I had this one time when we were, me and Brian Callen were hunting with Steve Rinella in Montana, and we were there, and it was in October, it was freezing cold, like we're camping, it's like nine degrees outside, and we're there for a week,
02:11:56.000and then we checked into this shitty-ass hotel in Billings, and they had hot water, and you know, Just shitty hotel.
02:12:07.000Like, bullshit shower curtain and turned on the water.
02:12:10.000It was the happiest I'd ever been in my life.
02:12:13.000Just in this shitty shower, this shitty hotel room with fake wood paneling on the walls.
02:13:18.000This feast, famine, scarcity, abundance, this cycle of life, people, if they just tune themselves into that, I think it's beneficial.
02:13:28.000I just set up a, it's called rewilding.
02:13:31.000I have a rewilding course, and it's a 72-hour course where we create scarcity.
02:13:37.000And I have people show up, and through this experience training, they lose their shoes.
02:13:43.000They actually have to ground themselves to earth, and We have fireside chats, like we actually talk to each other interpersonally, in front of each other.
02:13:52.000We tell our vulnerabilities to each other.
02:13:54.000Some woo-woo shit of just getting back to basics, like basic primal shit.
02:13:59.000I have an interesting analogy on this topic, especially as it refers to hunting and trauma.
02:14:07.000Native American culture, this is not mine.
02:14:10.000Tom Spooner of Warrior Heart taught me this, and they do this as a part of their tradition in helping veterans kind of unfuck their lives.
02:14:19.000I mean, most of these guys are addicted to something, and they need comprehensive, inpatient care.
02:14:26.000One of the things Native Americans used to do when they came back from battle, a warrior would get in front of the tribe, fireside, and communicate the things that took place.
02:14:37.000And if this cup of water was an example of my capacity for trauma, then how much trauma can I hold before it spills?
02:14:50.000And what's the consequence of spilling?
02:15:19.000And so they fall apart because they have nobody to share that burden with, which is one of the reasons why I think podcasts are so important.
02:15:28.000When you hold something in your head that you have no explanation for, your mind creates taxing and burden assumptions, opinions, that are not healthy.
02:15:42.000When you talk out loud about it and you get perspective from another human being, you have a way to weigh this, but we also are sharing the burden.
02:15:50.000I mean, me and fucking Andy Stump talked on a podcast on Cleared Hot about killing kids in combat.
02:15:57.000Where we actually had to take what we thought, I mean, it's hard to gauge the age, a younger man's life in the heat of combat that picked up an AK-47.
02:16:07.000I mean, me and Kevin Owens standing on a rooftop, he winds up shooting him while he's running towards a checkpoint.
02:16:13.000We gave all these tactics to mitigate risk to his life.
02:16:19.000But at the end of the day, he punched the ticket.
02:16:21.000And it was either our guys at the checkpoint...
02:16:24.000We could live with that burden for the rest of our lives and we did it we had to do what we had to do now if I had that in my head How would that weigh on me?
02:16:35.000I fucking killed a kid But the reality is I was propelled into war and when me and Andy talked about it It felt fucking good because I shared a little bit of that burden and he was able to relate because he had the same fucking story The story he shared he had never said out loud ever.
02:16:50.000It was always been in his head After the podcast, we talked about it.
02:16:54.000I don't know why, but talking about it helped.
02:16:57.000And that's the benefit, I think, of podcasts.
02:16:59.000It's the benefit of sharing this burden and trauma.
02:17:02.000And most certainly this and the virtuing of what we want to communicate because we want people to perceive us a certain way versus what lies in this cup and what needs to be talked about are two different things.
02:17:16.000Yeah, for people just listening, you just picked up your phone to indicate social media.
02:17:20.000Yeah, I think what you're on to is dead right and I think that's probably why the Native Americans did it and it's probably when you're saying that it helped you and it helped Andy, it's probably something we're all missing.
02:17:36.000We really don't have those kind of discussions anymore about the things that bother us.
02:17:41.000Everybody internalizes and the kind of communication you do on social media, you're right, it's like a virtue signaling or it's kind of it's bullshit.
02:17:50.000You read these verbose passages that people leave on their Instagram pictures, and it's always self-aggrandizing.
02:18:32.000A lot of people were very apprehensive about doing the podcast and I was like, okay, that's fine, but this is the only way we're going to do it.
02:18:39.000Either you do it this way or you could be on it a couple of years when the dust settles.
02:18:47.000First of all, I'm not going to stop talking to people and we're just going to take as many precautions as we can, especially once we realize what it actually was.
02:18:56.000Because in the beginning, everybody thought everyone was going to die.
02:18:58.000And then once it got to this point where, like, you know, I know enough people that have gotten it, and I don't think it's that bad.
02:19:05.000I think there's ways to mitigate these risks, and we start testing every day.
02:19:10.000But there were still a lot of people that didn't want to do it.
02:19:12.000They're like, I can only do it remotely.
02:19:13.000I'm like, well, see you in a couple years.
02:19:17.000It's not we're not really gonna do a podcast unless you're right here because the ones that I did online I did a few of those zoom ones like you people and they're they're not connecting with you.
02:19:29.000Sometimes people do them without headphones on which is even worse because they can't hear when you're talking because they only hear when they're talking because the microphone kind of cuts out the other volume.
02:19:40.000Well, there's I mean the as my company developed and we started doing more and more and I kind of realized it's not about preparedness as much as it is about community.
02:19:52.000And when I started seeing people come together, like I would do a preparedness seminar.
02:19:58.000I'm doing one at Andy's place, Black Rifle, next month.
02:20:02.000When you get 120 people in the room and they hear you talk about the thing and then they network and people start talking, it's what they're missing.
02:20:35.000These are things they're learning as tactics.
02:20:38.000What I've reflected on that experience with these students is it wasn't even about that as the benefit as much as it was what we call breaking bread.
02:20:48.000Sitting around, I hired a chef from Park City, Chef John Courtney, and he's doing these classes on cooking elk, cooking venison, food preparation.
02:21:02.000We break bread and we're having conversations about our families and our kids and that's when we found profound purpose and built resilience in each other.
02:21:12.000So walking away going, that's the reset button we all need.
02:21:16.000It's like pulling the Nintendo cartridge out of the Nintendo and blowing all the dust out and putting the shit back in.
02:21:23.000You get a reset and most people, because they're so tethered to this fucking phone, They're not doing that, which is leading to a mental health crisis, which mental health crisis and statistics isn't just the things we see, the one in five is diagnosed.
02:21:39.000It's the shit we're not paying attention to.
02:21:42.000The fentanyl systemic issue isn't just fentanyl.
02:22:08.000And I think you nailed it when you said that one of the things you're doing with this preparedness things, you're building a tribe and you're providing community for people, which is so essential.
02:22:20.000It's so essential and it's missing from most people's lives.
02:22:23.000And a lot of people have some form of it with whatever their occupation is, but a lot of times that's kind of a bullshit form.
02:22:36.000And it's also you're not going through the sort of real live things that I think the human mind is conditioned to overwhelm, to overcome and adapt to.
02:22:48.000I think those things are like inherent to the human condition and it's a part of being An adult human being is to have those skills and the ability to get through difficult things together.
02:23:03.000And I think without that bond, without that camaraderie and that community, people feel very lost.
02:23:08.000And I think it's a big part of what's wrong with our culture today.
02:23:12.000And if someone can sign up for something like your course or Tim Kennedy's course or Jiu-jitsu class or fucking anything just do something where you get together with like-minded people and you struggle together you overcome together You do stuff together you communicate about the the lessons that you've learned through those things and what it's meant to you and how it's improved your life It's gigantic You know and it's the difference between the people that have that in
02:23:42.000their life and the people that don't have in their life is It's so huge.
02:23:46.000It's an untold aspect of being a person.
02:23:50.000Sebastian Junger, his book, Tribe, talks a lot about these issues in society.
02:23:56.000I found it very interesting that we bought into the idea that social media was going to bring us together.
02:24:04.000And certainly it has its benefits and it does some good things.
02:24:09.000But that's for people who have discipline, who have control.
02:24:14.000This dude I follow on YouTube, you ever heard of the dude Hamza?
02:24:18.000He does this video on these kids addicted to porn.
02:24:25.000As he outlines and put in my narrative in it, if you think about it, Kid who goes on a porn site and has access to unlimited women It's virtual but chemically that's what's happening as a process,
02:26:17.000There's only people that have fucked it up or psychologists or people that really understand human behavior that have looked at it and say, hey, here's all the pitfalls in really being connected to this on a daily basis.
02:26:26.000But I know some really intelligent people whose lives have fallen apart because they spend too much time.
02:26:31.000Reading comments on Twitter and getting in arguments with people and dealing with nonsense and creating problems for themselves and getting involved in these back and forths that just like they're constantly checking to see what other people have to say about it.
02:29:39.000Yeah, we I think a camera who said this somebody was talking to me about it a Clint trial a buddy of mine was telling me about How we grew up analog, right?
02:29:48.000We grew up in an analog society where the things that we did were We're all very instinctive and we were outside drinking out of garden hoses fucking running the streets and that kind of upbringing Lends itself to being able to adapt.
02:30:07.000Adaptation is the number one characteristic of survivability.
02:30:13.000That top 10% in that 10-80-10 rule, you want to be in the top 10%, you got to be able to adapt.
02:30:18.000But if your only adaptation is navigating technology, then how is that going to work out for you in the future?
02:30:26.000And if you look at generations and 20-year cycles...
02:30:29.000We are the last generation to live analog and not grow up with it at our disposal.
02:30:37.000So it means we aren't typically emotionally charged by things that we see or read.
02:30:44.000We typically don't take things out of context because we want to know in the weeds what the actual truth is.
02:30:51.000But there are posts on social media This dude, Sean King, and I don't know if that's going to work out for me, but calling him out on a podcast.
02:31:00.000But Sean King, everything I've seen about what he puts out in the BLM movement was being charged with With emotionally getting people to go to essentially war in the streets and protest.
02:31:15.000And those protests turned into something more violent.
02:31:22.000When you have a mass of people who are following the herd and you just take something they wrote and it's potentially taken out of context.
02:31:30.000Like hit the streets and burn it down.
02:31:31.000Maybe you didn't mean literally burn it down.
02:31:35.000But they're literally burning it down.
02:31:37.000I mean, the mayor of Atlanta, Georgia, who's African American, who was like, you guys are burning down the city and 50% of the businesses in the city are black.
02:31:49.000And that's my fear for the future of this, especially leading up to the next election cycle, because we are in a world of hurt.
02:31:56.000The country is getting more divisive, but it's also we're becoming more and more puppets of the algorithm, and people don't get it, and they're not awakening.
02:32:06.000And I'm afraid when it comes to suppressing the voices that are being moderate and reasonable, like mine, like yours, what does that look like when you're six months out from an election, and then the only voices amplified are the voices that are inciting violence in the streets?
02:32:23.000They certain I was suppressed because I'm telling people protect your family be better prepared and other voices were Amplified that were saying hit the streets and burn it down Well, there was a narrative that was being discussed that you would hear especially amongst left-wing media there was a narrative of white supremacy militias I mean by the one point in time said white supremacy is the biggest threat that we have in our country and like What?
02:33:16.000One of the problems is our fucking government.
02:33:18.000We have giant problems with people that are absolutely full of shit that are running this country.
02:33:23.000We have problems with algorithms, but we also have problems with bad actors that are utilizing social media with troll accounts.
02:33:31.000I'm sure we're doing it over here, but most certainly it's being done to us by Russia, by China, by Iran.
02:33:39.000I'm sure there's Many, many countries that have fake accounts that are constantly engaging with people and pushing narratives to more and more extreme levels to minimize our faith in democracy, to get us to hate each other,
02:33:56.000And that's one of the things that they do to keep America weak, keep us distracted.
02:34:00.000And it's not just the government that's doing that, it's other governments that are doing that.
02:34:06.000It's special interest groups that are doing that.
02:34:08.000I'm sure it's both parties are involved in this.
02:34:11.000And if you're online and you're engaging in this shit, you're susceptible.
02:34:16.000You know, yeah, it's the algorithm, but it's also fucking calculated.
02:34:19.000It's human beings that are calculated.
02:34:21.000They've recognized this has an influence on people and they're utilizing it because it's a political tool.
02:34:27.000It's a tool for getting their agenda through.
02:34:29.000And if part of that tool is to demonize someone who's preparing for a potential disaster and by saying that you're going to equate that to white supremacy or hate or militia, it's fucking madness.
02:34:42.000And the fact there's no recourse, you can't do anything about it, and that Shopify still stands by their action.
02:34:59.000Like, when I've heard that PayPal was going to take 2,500 bucks, what was the fine that they were going to have, Jamie, for disinformation?
02:35:09.000What they term disinformation, they're gonna fine you.
02:35:43.000Platform user agreement is really an attention drawing document.
02:35:47.000However, early this October, PayPal ignited online discussion with its newest policy.
02:35:52.000What attracted criticism was an unusual provision stating that the company would fine its customers an astounding $2,500 in damages for spreading misinformation.
02:36:03.000The provision prohibits customers from using PayPal services for activities identified by it as sending, posting, or publication of any messages, contact, or materials promoting misinformation.
02:36:15.000Well, the problem with that is what they used to call misinformation now gets discussed openly as being truth.
02:36:21.000Like the lab leak hypothesis when it comes to COVID. There's like fucking tons of...
02:36:28.000Accredited scientists that are saying this is most likely a genetically altered, some sort of a virus that's been manipulated in a laboratory.
02:36:35.000It's much more likely that it came out of that laboratory, which just so happens to be in the exact area where the fucking virus emerged.
02:36:44.000But if PayPal decides that it is, because at one point in time the government was promoting that it was misinformation, the NIH was saying that it was, and I'm sure you saw when Rand Paul was grilling Fauci on whether or not they did do a gain-of-function research and whether or not they funded it,
02:37:01.000and he's playing all these games with words and with truth, you could get fined.
02:37:08.000You could get removed from the platform.
02:37:09.000Yeah, the big problem is most of these companies aren't just companies.
02:37:14.000They're entities and action arms for political agenda.
02:37:19.000So if you have a company that's ran by a hedge fund, a venture capitalist, somebody who has massive influence, the Soros play, you have these companies that are changing language, narrative, and doing whatever they want.
02:37:34.000PayPal literally Is taking accounts and they go, we don't like what you're putting out.
02:37:57.000They said that the actions go against and violate their policy, and they didn't tell me what the policy was.
02:38:06.000So what it was was when that was put out, and whether it was FBI telling Facebook and then putting blast to all these companies, The Shopify, the connection through PayPal, because it was e-commerce and PayPal was a checkout option,
02:38:24.000And then the e-commerce connection from, it's called, it's basically the bank channel from the bank to your e-commerce platform in Shopify.
02:39:52.000Like, yeah, I want to say screw Facebook.
02:39:54.000But I'm a small business entrepreneur trying to drive sales and conversion through a market, and there's billions of people on Facebook.
02:40:03.000Sure, I can operate in an echo chamber in Heber City, Utah, but I would like the opportunity to grow my business like everybody else on this platform and do good, but I can't do it because we get canceled.
02:42:16.000They're like, we don't care what you do.
02:42:17.000As long as it's moral and unethical, we'll support you.
02:42:19.000And that's the only reason we're open today as a business.
02:42:22.000Well, we're very fortunate that there are companies like that that do exist, but it's very disturbing to me that a company like PayPal would just decide arbitrarily that someone who teaches preparedness is a danger or some company that they don't want on their platform.
02:43:31.000I think they were contacted by the FBI on the back end...
02:43:34.000And, Jamie, I don't know if you could do this, but if you even Google Mike Glover, I don't know, militia, or Mike Glover domestic terrorist, this organization wrote this 20-page article, and USA Today republished the article.
02:44:08.000Everything in the article is about like this guy is a is a CIA guy and he's he's starting his own militia and He's anti-government and all this things things that I've never said 20 pages the problem was not that article because people write things in echo chambers all the time the problem was national media was like This is spot on.
02:44:40.000I mean, in the article, they call me a white supremacist, which is, like, I have always identified, I'm very proud of my Korean heritage, and I identify as an American first, but I'm Asian American.
02:44:53.000I mean, I have Korean in me, From the Korean War.
02:44:57.000I mean, my dad was in the Army and met my mom in Korea.
02:44:59.000That's just a cover-up for being a white supremacist.
02:45:46.000I'm basically getting ahead of it in PR, because this shit, everybody's hitting me up like, oh shit.
02:45:51.000And I'm afraid we're going to lose business because of this.
02:45:54.000So I put this out into the world and in the in the YouTube video I said I've even worked with FBI and and I said that because I'm like I've cooperated like American contingency had some nut job Take a picture of an FBI guy's business card.
02:46:15.000And when he did that, I was like, well, I have this girl named Heather who's a former West Pointer intelligence officer background, super squared away.
02:46:26.000I said to Heather, Heather, what do I do?
02:46:30.000She goes, you need to at least at a minimum write an email to the FBI agent, because he had a picture on it, that his information was posted on a public forum on AmericanContingency.com and nothing was done, but that picture was taken down and we need to report that.
02:47:27.000And I'm like, I'm somewhere in the middle, I guess, exactly where I need to be.
02:47:31.000But that's the world we fucking live in.
02:47:33.000That is the world we live in and that's one of the reasons why free speech is so important.
02:47:36.000Because if a person like you can be labeled without any recourse, if you can be removed from social media, they could shape a narrative about you and you can't say anything about it.
02:47:46.000And they could decide that in a more extreme time.
02:47:48.000You could be removed from all these social media platforms and it would completely limit your ability to defend yourself.
02:47:54.000If I didn't have my buddy Al, who is my Facebook contact, He wasn't doing anything in the underground.
02:48:02.000He was actually acting as an advocate for veterans, because that's part of his job at Facebook.
02:48:08.000But he was moderating my Facebook account, which is tethered to Instagram.
02:49:21.000Well, you have 17 reports of everything from extremism to animal cruelty, and I've never seen an account still up with 17. It's probably just living post to post and me moderating it and activating it Each step at a time.
02:49:39.000So the only reason I have an existing Instagram account is because I have somebody on the back end who goes, what is going on?
02:50:58.000But because I have 17 strikes and I have a track record in history, including the label of being a domestic terrorist.
02:51:06.000Al sent me the screen capture where they're like, we can't free up his American contingency account because he's been labeled a domestic terrorist and we can't free up domestic terrorist accounts.
02:51:17.000And you've been labeled this by just some random person who decides to say that, with no evidence at all?
02:51:23.000Likely, the Federal Bureau of Investigation threw this one asshole, this one analyst, who probably still works for the FBI. Wild.
02:52:09.000What I'm really concerned with is when, I don't know, in a year, when we're getting ready for the next elections, they amplify the wrong, and then everybody who has an opinion in the right, they turn down, and then we're at a civil war.
02:52:23.000Well, that's most certainly the case when you have one political group or one political leaning that's in control of social media, which up until Elon bought Twitter was 100% the case.
02:52:35.000If you didn't go by this very narrow narrative Then you were ostracized.
02:52:45.000And then one of the more interesting things about what Elon's done is releasing these Twitter files, where you're going to get a chance to peer into the wiring under the board, and you say, look, not only did they shadow ban people, but they did it at the behest of the federal government.
02:52:58.000And they looked up accounts, and they did all this shit to try to minimize certain narratives that they felt were bad for their party.
02:53:22.000And by the way, if it was going the other way, if there was a right-wing person in the White House, and all this stuff was being owned by the right, and all the social media companies were...
02:53:40.000They would be up in arms on CNN. They'd be up in arms on MSNBC. They'd be talking about it every day.
02:53:47.000It would just be like the Russia collusion where that's all you heard all day, all night.
02:53:51.000Yeah, I hope we have, you know, conservatives across the board are behind because they never focused on media and telling the story or influencing culture.
02:54:03.000And the problem is now is most of the narrative is controlled by leftists.
02:54:09.000And I'm not saying left, because people in my circle who are friends of mine are left.
02:54:15.000I'm talking leftists, the fringes of society.
02:54:20.000They control the narrative, and now for the first time, I think there are groups, Daily Wire, Fox Nation, Rumble, these guys are coming, and they're trying to have influence.
02:55:00.000They'll play the game because they don't want their shit affected.
02:55:03.000But they won't stand up for the right and start the platform.
02:55:07.000They won't invest in the thing that's going to help this country get off its feet and redefine the narrative.
02:55:15.000If we just simply redefine it, I think we'd be in a better place and a better position.
02:55:20.000But right now, it's like we're at war.
02:55:23.000Yeah, well, we need open communication, and we need to respect people's opinions and beliefs.
02:55:27.000And you need to let those people discuss whatever their thoughts and beliefs are, so you can find out whether or not you agree with it.
02:55:35.000Like, let the best, most well-formed argument win.
02:55:39.000And that's not what's been going on with social media for the past few years.
02:55:44.000Yeah, Instagram for me is fucking gross.
02:55:47.000I do like it because now that I have the discipline, I'll go on to this short form social media platforms and get what I want and then I'm fucking out and then I roll out.
02:55:59.000I'm a big YouTuber as far as like, I like YouTube.
02:56:02.000It's my Google search for learning things.
02:56:05.000And they've gotten better, I think, at suppression.
02:56:25.000I mean, they just will continue to do it, and it's scary.
02:56:30.000I forgot I had a TikTok, and I was looking into some shit because I was like, oh, fuck, I think I'm going to set up a TikTok years ago because everybody thought it was going to be the next thing for education and all the stuff.