ChatGPT is a neural network that's been around for a few years, and it's been making waves in the AI world. In this episode of The Joe Rogan Experience, we talk about how ChatGPT came to be, how it got started, and why it's one of the smartest neural networks out there. We also talk about some of the problems it's solving, and what it's doing, and how it might be able to solve them. This episode is sponsored by Train By Day, a company that makes custom T-shirts and hoodies, and by Night, a coffee shop that makes good coffee. Check it out! Joe Rogans Experience is a podcast by day, all day, about AI and machine learning, by night, all night. See all the links below to the books I mentioned in this episode. If you like the show, please consider becoming a patron patron and/or become a patron supporter. Thank you so much for your support, it means the world to me and my day to day job and I get to do what I love to do my best to help create the best podcast possible for people who need it the most they can. I hope you enjoy it! Joe's new book is out soon, and if you like it, please give it a review on Amazon Prime and review it on amazon.com/joejr/thejosecrane and tell a friend about it :) I'm looking forward to hearing from you! Timestamps: 1: 2:00: 3:00 - What's a good coffee? 4:30 - What are you like? 5:00 6:00 | What's your favorite coffee shop? 7:30 | What do you like about it? 8:40 - How do you think it's good? 9: Is it smart? 11:15 - What kind of coffee you're drinking? 12:30 13: What s a good day? 15:00 -- what do you need? 16:30 -- what are you looking for? 17:40 -- what s your favorite thing? 18:00 // 15:30 Is it a good enough? 19:00 Does it make you want to learn something new? 21:00 Is it better? 22:00 Can you have a cup of coffee with me?
00:00:29.000Language models, I don't know if you know what those are, but that's the general systems that underlie ChatGPT and GPT. They've been progressing over the past maybe four years aggressively.
00:00:56.000So, ChatGPT is based on, fundamentally, on a 175 billion parameter neural network that is GPT-3.
00:01:06.000And the rest is what data is it trained on and how is it trained.
00:01:10.000So you already have like a brain, a giant neural network, and it's just trained in different ways.
00:01:15.000So Chad, GPT-3 came out about two years ago and it was like impressive but dumb in a lot of ways.
00:01:23.000It was like you would expect as a human being for it to generate certain kinds of text and it was like saying kind of dumb things that were off.
00:01:31.000You know, like alright, this is really impressive but it's not quite there.
00:02:18.000But reasoning is, in order to be able to stitch together sentences that make sense, you not only need to know the facts that underlie those sentences, you also have to be able to reason.
00:02:28.000And we take it for granted as human beings that we can do some common sense reasoning.
00:02:34.000Like, this war started at this date and ended at this date, therefore it means that...
00:03:29.000Here's the kind of dialogue that makes sense.
00:03:31.000Here's the kind of answers to questions that make sense.
00:03:35.000It's basically pointing this giant titanic of a neural network into the right direction that aligns with the way human beings think and talk.
00:03:43.000So it's not just using the giant wisdom of Wikipedia.
00:03:48.000I can talk about what data sets it's trained on, but just basically the internet.
00:03:52.000It was pointed in the wrong direction.
00:03:55.000Supervised labeling allows it to point in the right direction to when it says shit, you're like, holy shit, that's pretty smart.
00:04:51.000They're labeling the ranking of the outputs of this model.
00:04:54.000And that kind of ranking used together with a technique called reinforcement learning is able to get this thing to generate very impressive to humans output.
00:05:04.000So it's not actually, there's not a significant breakthrough in how much knowledge was learned.
00:05:08.000That was already in GPT-3 and there was much more impressive models already trained.
00:05:15.000But this kind of fine-tuning, it's called, by human labelers plus reinforcement learning, you start to get like where students don't have to write essays anymore in high school, where you can style transfer.
00:05:31.000Like I said, do a Louis C.K. joke in the style of Joe Rogan or Joe Rogan joke in the style of Louis C.K., It does an incredible job at those kinds of style transfers.
00:05:42.000You can more accurately query things about the different historical events, all that kind of stuff.
00:07:45.000Which is the interesting things about Ex Machina, for me, as somebody who knows about AI and robotics, it doesn't, the corny signal doesn't.
00:08:51.000And then in this, well, that scene where she gets him to fall in love with her, it's so creepy when she comes back with clothes on and she's got a wig and you're like, oh my god.
00:11:15.000How far away are we from something like chat GPT being impossible to detect?
00:11:24.000Whether or not it's a person or whether it's chat GPT. Well, it depends who is playing with it.
00:11:30.000I think we're not that far away in terms of capability, but in order to use these systems and rather in order to train these systems, you have to be a large company.
00:11:40.000And large companies tend to get scared when it's doing interesting stuff.
00:14:16.000And so that, the distributed nature of our exploration of artificial intelligence, I think if you believe that most people are good, that we will not allow sort of a centralization of power,
00:14:59.000It's able to answer any question, able to give you a plan on how to make a lot of money, able to give you a plan on how to manipulate other governments into any kind of geopolitical resolution that benefits you, all of that.
00:16:12.000So these are completely 3D, like CGI made people?
00:16:17.000Not 3D, it's 3D. So like photo very photorealistic if not photorealistic, but like there are when you look real close you can see some weird things going on like the background here is a little messed up.
00:18:58.000I don't know how it's all working when it breaks down to individual circumstances.
00:19:03.000You had a good conversation with Jordan Peterson.
00:19:05.000He was talking about the more you have this kind of virtualization, the more you allow the psychopaths to reign free.
00:19:13.000The more we have artificially generated porn...
00:19:16.000The more we have artificially generated violence, photorealistic violence, the more you make it normal for you to be basically a psychopath in a digital space.
00:19:29.000Enable that and make that okay and then you forget what it's like to actually be a good human being.
00:19:33.000And then also part of the problem may be that we may very well be looking at a world, whether it's 10 years from now, 20 years from now, whatever it is, where these children that have grown up in this environment now have a completely different way of looking at people in the world because of all these interactions they have.
00:20:39.000You know, when you get hit with a punch, your face lights up, you get a flash of light, which is kind of cool because you're like, oh, Jesus!
00:20:46.000You know, you feel it like you're getting hit.
00:20:56.000There's a lot of cool ones, but people are just not buying into it the way they buy into Xbox and PlayStation.
00:21:02.000They're not, like, wholesale committed to this yet, but they will be.
00:21:06.000It's going to be so fucking good that instead of having it in a goggle form where it's like this big clunky thing on you, it's going to be very easy to do.
00:21:19.000I've been revisiting some classic books recently, just doing a reading list, and one of them that captures this extremely well that I recommend...
00:21:27.000I think most people read in like middle school or something, but it's actually very relevant.
00:21:32.000So a lot of people, including Jordan Peterson, worry about 1984, sort of a totalitarian, a dystopia that represents a totalitarian state.
00:21:42.000But Brave New World, there's no centralized government that's like dogmatic and controlling everything, surveilling everything.
00:21:50.000They basically created this world where sex is easy, everyone is promiscuous, genetic engineering removes any kind of diversity, any kind of interesting dark, bad diversity that we would think of,
00:22:06.000like the Hunter S. Thompsons and the Bukowskis, the weirdos of society.
00:22:11.000And then he gives you drugs, Soma, that basically gives you pleasure whenever you want if you start feeling a little too shitty about your life.
00:23:23.000I think we're moving in that general direction anyway.
00:23:26.000I think that probably is why we have this, I mean, it's almost inevitable if you have this addiction to cell phone issue because everybody has that.
00:23:36.000If you have a cell phone and you're on your social media apps during the day and you're on YouTube, You're probably addicted, whether you realize it or not.
00:23:43.000And the number of hours that you put on those things is shocking.
00:23:48.000When you actually look at your screen time, you're like, six hours?
00:23:54.000And you'll try to rationalize it and justify it.
00:23:58.000What that's doing to young people has got to be very strange.
00:24:02.000And if that, along with all the contaminants that are affecting the way people develop, which are, you know, Dr. Shanna Swan from the book Countdown talks about this.
00:24:18.000She talks about phthalates and plastics and how you can trace Back to like the 1950s when they really started using a lot of plastics and petrochemical products that started getting into people's bodies in the form of phthalates.
00:24:33.000It started diminishing sperm count and smaller penises and testicles and taints and more miscarriages for women, lower fertility rates.
00:24:44.000All that she believes is directly correlated with the data that they've done already on mammals.
00:24:52.000When they do that to mammals in tests, the more phthalates they enter into their system, the more they have issues like this.
00:24:58.000So we're becoming almost like less able to procreate naturally.
00:25:05.000And if we get to a point where the human race's future, the only way we're going to be able to procreate is some sort of genetic engineering.
00:25:15.000And some sort of artificial womb or some sort of a system that they develop that allows you to combine you and your partner's DNA and create a new child.
00:25:25.000That seems to me like if you're going to do that and you started engineering out very specific aspects of people that are problematic – anger, greed, jealousy, lust – All these different things.
00:25:36.000You would turn people into some sort of sexless thing that gets its pleasure by manipulating its neurochemistry through some electronics, through some something.
00:25:49.000Maybe it's something you take so they can control it.
00:25:52.000But that's not far off of the path of possibility.
00:25:55.000If you really looked at where we're going now and if the fertility rates drop, if they really do, and I know people a lot smarter than me are actually worried about, like Elon's worried.
00:26:07.000About the amount of children that people have.
00:26:43.000Because you might want to start making them when you're 37, and you might go to a doctor, and the doctor's like, well, this is touch and go.
00:26:48.000You're going to have to do in vitro fertilization, and then you go through all this shit, and you're taking shots, and you're fucking, you're timing everything.
00:28:23.000On top of that, I do think, if we're not careful, I think there's exciting positive possibilities, but there's also negative possibilities of these AI systems, like ChadGPT, but later versions, forming deep, meaningful connections with human beings,
00:28:41.000No, most of your intimacy in terms of friendships and like a deep connection with an intelligent entity comes from AI systems.
00:28:50.000Could you imagine if you're driving to work and you and the AI are just having a conversation shooting the shit and the AI is really funny and the AI is your buddy?
00:31:37.000And then some people's brain might be a little bit broken, and they're still functioning members of society, but they might be extreme narcissists, they might be sociopaths, psychopaths, and you have to kind of understand that the world is full of, potentially, not full of, but has some charming psychopaths walking around.
00:33:45.000Like we have this idea in our head that this way we live is like ultimately because to us it provides emotions and because it creates dilemmas and solutions and conflict and resolution.
00:33:59.000There's so much going on in our minds all the time when it comes to interacting with each other that we feel like it's imperative for existence.
00:34:34.000You want to get a bunch of, you want to get a few software engineers from San Francisco to mess with the computation system that is evolution, that is Earth.
00:34:44.000This giant computer that for billions of years spent a billion years on bacteria trying to figure shit out before it advanced and now it went through all of these incredible stages.
00:34:54.000This entire ecosystem that we call life on Earth, probably planted here by aliens.
00:35:01.000And recently, these monkeys started to get super clever, and now we're going to completely change everything.
00:35:13.000That is a part of evolution, is the monkeys figuring out how to fuck with everything.
00:35:16.000Well, that's probably why we haven't have any definitive evidence of aliens from out there, because the monkeys eventually start fucking with things.
00:36:51.000And then Commander David Fravor, who you talked to, that Tic Tac experience, If they really did track something that went from above 50,000 feet above sea level to 50 feet in less than a second, what the fuck is that?
00:37:05.000If that's real, we're assuming that all their calibration was on and all their equipment worked together, but it was multiple different visual sightings of this thing, too.
00:37:23.000Everybody's talked about how it just moved off at insane rates of speed.
00:37:26.000And then there's all these other ones like Ryan Long and all these other people that he flew with that are seeing these similar behaviors from these things where they just disappear.
00:37:35.000They move off at insane rates of speed.
00:37:39.000Either he said there's been some sort of parallel science, some science that's going on where nobody knew about it, and all the top physicists were completely unaware of this tech, and they were developing it independently in some fucking lab in the mountains for the government, or aliens.
00:38:53.000And there you have to be a little bit careful.
00:38:55.000But yeah, definitely, to me, it feels like the scientific development that we're doing now with Starship, so SpaceX and Starship, with all the advancement in telescopes, we're just getting more and more and more data to where we're not going to have these shitty videos.
00:39:12.000We're going to have high-resolution understanding.
00:39:15.000And because it's becoming more okay to talk about aliens, I think the actual scientific community has a bigger humility about the topic to where they're expanding the window of their study to consider all kinds of physical phenomena,
00:39:35.000all kinds of observation, all kinds of sources of data and signals and so on.
00:39:40.000I would hope we would get definitive signals of alien life.
00:40:43.000That's that I don't know because like the capability I think is there to high resolution image everything but I don't know how much uh how much desire there is for that kind of application because there's so much more for other for other kinds of applications so like low resolution imaging for mapping purposes and so on imaging for military purposes there's applications but that's like very uh specific kind of um application I just don't know It's like
00:41:21.000You have to battle what are the interesting questions, where should it look, what's the resolution of data, where in the sky should collect that data, how frequent, and so on.
00:41:30.000In that same kind of way, there's probably battles over satellite resources of what should it be doing.
00:41:36.000Especially with intelligence agencies and stuff.
00:41:39.000Especially because the intelligence agencies are probably resisting this UFO stuff.
00:41:43.000If I was an evil dictator and I wanted to get my government to have control over the skies and to be able to see anything from anywhere at any time, And I wanted to, like, have mass surveillance drones in the sky above cities.
00:43:12.000You're going to give us up to the aliens, you piece of shit?
00:43:14.000And so there's going to be some sort of ideological conflict on Earth whether or not we donate money to the defenses.
00:43:22.000Like the Democrats who want to defend against the aliens, the Republicans are going to be like, hey, let's just hear them talk first.
00:43:28.000And we're going to have a fucking giant dilemma here.
00:43:31.000Yeah, I hope aliens are, if they're out there, I hope they're detectable by us humans and we can interact with them, probably not communicate with them.
00:43:41.000But from my perspective, you have to be humble.
00:43:46.000Advanced alien civilizations are probably so sophisticated that we dumb descendants of apes cannot possibly even detect them.
00:43:54.000I have a feeling there's all sorts of ways that they could be.
00:43:58.000And some of them could be undetectable.
00:44:23.000But then they've figured out all other kinds of technologies that enable them to navigate complicated life forms that are unlike them and to be able to study them and to manipulate them and all that kind of stuff.
00:44:38.000Why would you have them know about it?
00:44:40.000Well, the idea could be that you want to kind of plant the seeds of this idea because it's so shocking to the psyche of these very fragile apes.
00:44:51.000Yeah, you have to think about what we are, right?
00:44:58.000We're real close to like what we were a million years ago.
00:45:05.000We're real close to like very violent, hair-covered, barbaric animals.
00:45:11.000And now we have thermonuclear weapons.
00:45:13.000And now we have satellite imagery and cell phones and we're close to some new thing.
00:45:22.000And I think if I was an alien, I would want to watch.
00:45:25.000I would want to watch this very bizarre transition because, like, if you could study, look, think about all the things we go to study that are so boring.
00:45:33.000We guys dedicate their whole lives to find a new fern.
00:46:12.000Well, if they're observing us, do you think humans stand out that much from the rest of life on Earth?
00:46:17.000Because it could be the same kind of life force that you just described some basic stuff, some basic dynamics of interactions between species that could be equally as fascinating as the interaction between ants.
00:46:31.000Well, I think those are fascinating, too.
00:46:33.000I don't think anybody would think that ants aren't fascinating.
00:47:30.000Or, just like Chad GPT and GPT-1, 2, and 3, they see that as a trivial consequence of evolution, that you just increase the computational power of the brain, you're going to start getting these kinds of interactions, because they know what happens in the next thousands of years.
00:47:45.000They understand the general trajectory.
00:47:50.000It could be AI... AI and then there's stages in the development of AI and the kind of system it creates.
00:47:57.000Maybe it'll be one collective intelligence that encompasses the whole world where it's no longer individual entities.
00:48:05.000It's one intelligence that's trying to solve nuclear fusion and achieve type one Kardashev-scale civilization that's unable to Become a multi-planetary species.
00:48:17.000They know this whole development is trivial to them.
00:48:53.000Which is why, you know, one of the things about UFO folklore, when they drop Fat Man and Little Boy, when they drop those bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, like UFO sightings, there was like a pretty big uptick.
00:50:11.000We fall in love and then there's heartbreak and you lose the people you love.
00:50:15.000You go to war to each other and through that process of war form some of the strongest possible bonds that any two entities can with the people you fight alongside with.
00:50:23.000And then somehow you form these different hierarchies where people hunger for power and destroy other human beings through that desire for power, for greed, and all that kind of stuff.
00:50:35.000And then all of it, the individual life itself, the human condition, is deeply meaningful because of all those constraints, because of all the uncertainty in the mystery.
00:50:45.000They might be jealous because they figured all their shit out and they're just...
00:50:49.000Maybe that's, we're at this stage where, because we haven't figured out most things, life is beautiful.
00:50:58.000Like, life can be beautiful in this way that they'll know they no longer can be.
00:51:03.000What I was saying, though, is that's why we are looking to them.
00:51:06.000Because we have all these questions about what we're doing.
00:51:09.000That's why we're so fascinated by the idea of an alien.
00:51:13.000They might be looking at us the way we look at Western movies.
00:51:15.000We romanticize the bullshit aspect of taking a fucking wagon with stupid wooden wheels and wobbling your way across the mountainside while the Indians shoot arrows at you.
00:51:27.000What if they know that asking questions and not knowing the answers is way more meaningful and full of the possibility of happiness than having all the answers?
00:51:43.000Or this idea of what is and isn't meaningful is trivial.
00:51:47.000And it's only a consequence of our monkey brains trying to grasp for reason.
00:51:52.000And that once we've transcended that and moved into this next stage of evolution, which we would hope they are, we would realize how foolish these primal notions that we had.
00:52:03.000The purpose they served was just to get us to the dance.
00:52:07.000Just to figure out the computers, figure out all the technology, And then let us transcend the next stage of existence, which removes all of our primal – all of our different emotions and all of our different problematic forms of expression,
00:52:25.000violence and greed and lust and deception and all those things.
00:52:55.000It's a natural part of what human beings do.
00:52:57.000And they used to do it with kings and armies, and if they could do it digitally, they'll do it that way.
00:53:02.000They love to tell people what they can and can't do, and they love to control people and extract resources at an extraordinary amount or extraordinary rate for almost nothing.
00:53:28.000Or is it possible this is the optimal?
00:53:30.000This greed, the possibility of other people being able to control you because of greed or desire for power, the weird relationship we have with sex of always chasing it and not getting it and then getting it and then that weird dynamic.
00:53:45.000Then the pleasure you get from a good steak or food, all of that.
00:53:50.000Just the pleasures or whatever the hell music is.
00:53:53.000Yeah, whatever the hell music is is the best question, right?
00:53:55.000Because all the other ones, it seems like those are just human rewards, right?
00:54:00.000Like the reason why it feels good to have sex is because if you have sex, then your genes carry on.
00:54:34.000When you're in the cold for days camping and you take a hot shower, it's the greatest feeling you'll ever have in your life.
00:54:38.000Yeah, you can do an evolutionary biology explanation, but you can reduce every beautiful human experience to a biological explanation, but I think you actually lose a lot of the things that aliens are jealous of.
00:59:56.000But everybody else is like, get me the fuck out of here.
00:59:58.000I don't want to be in this shitty little thing where people stare at you.
01:00:01.000Yeah, well, maybe Earth is a kind of zoo, and then we're in it, and then we're being observed.
01:00:07.000And maybe all the suffering is a kind...
01:00:11.000There's probably activist aliens, they're saying, why keep the humans, these conscious beings that are capable of so much suffering, why allow them to continue suffering?
01:00:21.000I mean, that's the question, the religious question people ask.
01:00:28.000I think all of these questions are really good questions, but we look at it through the eye of culture.
01:00:35.000We look at it through the eye of what's meaningful for us, what life means to us.
01:00:40.000But if you could look at it almost like a computation, if you could step away It's impossible for us to do it, but if you just had to pretend, if you could step away and look at it like this thing is moving in a certain way,
01:01:33.000So this keeping up with the Joneses, which seems to be a part of like just natural human behavior patterns, like people always want to keep up with their neighbor, right?
01:01:43.000Well, the thing that fuels this technological innovation is all materialism.
01:01:50.000Materialism fuels it because you have to get the latest, greatest stuff.
01:01:54.000Like, you know, you're gonna have a laptop from four or five years ago, you're not gonna notice.
01:02:16.000It is an open question whether that's a permanent state of affairs at this point, this kind of capitalist materialistic pursuits, or that's a temporary stage.
01:02:25.000That's what Karl Marx thought, that capitalism is a temporary state.
01:02:28.000The ultimate place to be is perfect communism, pure communism.
01:02:34.000Well, I don't think that works with humans because I think part of what makes us achieve and do these things and even make life better and safer for everybody is we're constantly looking to do better than the people before because you get rewarded for doing better.
01:03:13.000Those folks that are working at Google right now that are doing 16-hour days or people that are working to try to refix Twitter that are working constantly, the people that are working at SpaceX, if they were making no money, they wouldn't do that.
01:03:26.000If they didn't have to do it, they wouldn't do that.
01:03:39.000But yes, there's a bunch of stuff that's an output of capitalism that enables those engineers to do incredible work.
01:03:47.000So yes, to fund it, that whole mechanism.
01:03:50.000Also, there's something about centralized control, which is required by at least socialism, that creates bureaucracy that slows down entrepreneurship and innovation.
01:04:41.000Don't you think they're doing that because they have a great opportunity to make more money and to advance their career, and while they're 27 years old and they're doing these 16-hour days, they're hoping for some sort of a return on this investment of time and effort.
01:04:56.000In the modern state of Google and so on, I think the people that are doing most breakthrough work, like the 10x contributors.
01:05:05.000That's the other secret, I think, of those companies.
01:05:07.000Some people are just kind of doing a job and some people are really pushing the limits.
01:05:12.000So some people are working and they're facilitating all the stuff that needs to go on in the background and keep the company running?
01:05:20.000As the bigger the company gets, and you see this with Elon, Elon firing a large percentage of the people at Twitter, most people just kind of get complacent and comfortable and so on.
01:05:29.000That large companies, especially if there's a profit coming in, it's like, what exactly is the motivation for you?
01:05:36.000Because you feel like a cog in a wheel.
01:05:38.000And the people that really step up, usually they're going to be in smaller companies, like in startups, to where it's clear where my ambitious contribution can actually bring impact to the world, but none of that is money.
01:05:53.000If there was no way to make money doing that, you don't think some of those people would drop off?
01:06:21.000The Olympic Games, chess is a beautiful example.
01:06:23.000Nobody makes money playing chess, but there's a huge community of chess players that dedicate every ounce of their being to improving a chess.
01:06:34.000And it's a really good example because it's a similar kind of brain that is attracted to tech.
01:06:40.000There's limitations to that kind of brain because it often lacks empathy and basic desire to understand human nature and human beings and so on.
01:06:48.000They just want to be tinkering and building puzzles.
01:07:35.000The evidence there is complicated, but it's similar to steroids.
01:07:40.000People that take steroids when they're competing in sports, they're already the elite.
01:07:45.000Right, but here's why it's not similar.
01:07:47.000Because if you're cheating in a game, you're using something, anal beads, whatever it is, that's allowing you to make better moves.
01:07:58.000That is so much different than if everyone's doing steroids.
01:08:02.000Because if you're doing steroids because everyone's doing steroids, everyone is cheating, so there's no cheating.
01:08:09.000But if one person is just using their brain and the other person is using some sort of a calculation and getting some sort of a signal, we don't even know if that was real because it was never proven, right?
01:09:13.000But for example, if I had something, whether it's up my ass or in my ear right now, and it was using ChatGPT, like you asked me of an explanation of the war between Russia and Ukraine, and I would just tune in to the ChatGPT explanation and just give you that explanation,
01:11:36.000For a Grandmaster level player, all you need is a very low resolution signal about even just the information of there exists a move here that's not standard, that's going to be very strong.
01:11:54.000So that sends a Grandmaster signal to think about this position.
01:11:59.000Like, there's obvious moves and there's non-obvious moves.
01:12:02.000I'm just giving you examples of like a Grandmaster needs a much fewer signal.
01:12:12.000But so with Morse code, there's a lot of different ways to compress.
01:12:16.000Like if you want to get good at this, it's actually, I forget how many bits of data are needed, but it's very little.
01:12:21.000But if the easy one is Morse code to just send you the position of the piece.
01:12:27.000The interesting thing that I have not tested, and the audience, the few people in the audience that want to test this, is a lot of the vibrating devices have different settings, 0 to 20. I wonder how sensitive you are to be able to tell the difference between the settings.
01:12:43.000You can kind of like hover the piece of like warmer, warmer, colder, colder.
01:13:38.000Well, the solution to that would be a delay, right?
01:13:40.000Yeah, but there's also probably other ways to, like, you can probably send signal on your body somehow by tapping and so on, what the opponent did.
01:13:50.000I don't know exactly how you, you know, I think protecting against cheating for over-the-board chess, which is in-person chess, I think is pretty easy.
01:14:00.000They just have to take effort to do that.
01:14:02.000Like they scanned him, which I think if he didn't cheat is kind of embarrassing, but it's also awesome.
01:14:08.000So I think he brought a lot of attention to chess.
01:14:22.000I mean, they kind of are looking for the Bobby Fischer, for the young American, wild type of character who might be a genius, who might not actually be cheating.
01:14:31.000There might be some brilliance here, beating the best person in the world, Magnus Carlsen, over the board.
01:14:36.000Well, he's beaten some really good players before, right?
01:15:12.000You might not have a normal interaction with a person that's suspected of having stolen a joke in the same way he might have gotten in his head.
01:15:20.000He resigned on his first move the next time they played, which is wild.
01:15:50.000I mean, the dynamic of drama plays out in the same kind of way in all these different fields.
01:15:58.000But it's still pretty interesting to think.
01:16:01.000Because we're living in reality, and this is going to happen in all kinds of interactions, where We already have AI chess engines that are way better than humans.
01:16:09.000So how do you still enjoy the game of chess while there's a system out there that's way better than humans?
01:16:14.000Well, because you're enjoying two people competing.
01:16:19.000But you're not enjoying just the movement of the board being the most efficient.
01:16:24.000You're enjoying watching someone's thought process while they're figuring it out.
01:18:36.000You have to fuck as much as possible because you've got to make kids because they're all going to get eaten.
01:18:41.000Yeah, but again, stories like Brave New World paint an end point to this trajectory that's not good.
01:18:48.000There could be an optimal place where you stop, right?
01:18:51.000Of course, it's tempting to say now we're in the optimal place, but it's not obvious to me.
01:18:56.000For example, there's many brilliant people that are working to extend life, right?
01:19:01.000Yes, extending the quality of life, improving the quality of life is a really worthy pursuit.
01:19:06.000It's an obvious pursuit, and it should be...
01:19:08.000I mean, it's fascinating, it's a beautiful one we should invest in, but do you want to live forever?
01:19:13.000To me, a lot of people say, like, yes, you should be able to choose when you die, but to me, it's not obvious that living forever is going to maximize happiness.
01:19:25.000There could be death, the fear of death, the finiteness of things, the finiteness of experience that are pleasurable is part of the human condition.
01:19:35.000It's not obvious to me if you remove that, that that's not going to significantly decrease the amount of happiness.
01:19:44.000Well, it will decrease the amount of happiness.
01:19:45.000It's like, have you ever played a video game on God mode?
01:19:59.000What we're doing is dealing with These instincts, this coding, behavior patterns of civilization and of organisms that have, you know, been evolving and have been working their way out to get to the most efficient and best method possible for fucking millions of years.
01:20:22.000You know, I mean, what we're going to do is continue that process.
01:20:27.000I think we should just enjoy what we enjoy right now.
01:20:32.000We should be very appreciative of the fact that we haven't made that transition yet.
01:20:37.000And I think we're probably the last of the Mohicans.
01:20:39.000We're probably the last of the regular people.
01:20:41.000And I don't think we're going to be able to look back a hundred years or a thousand years from now and say that this was better If they solve all the problems that wreck havoc on people's lives emotionally and psychologically and in terms of like war and famine and disease and all the problems we have with Poverty and slavery and resources of the earth being
01:21:12.000exploited by a select few and damaging the environment and the process.
01:21:17.000Like all these things that we know are absolutely wrong about what human life is capable of even today in 2023. We could eliminate all of that.
01:21:36.000The interesting thing about expanding out to other planets is that life will be extremely harsh on those planets.
01:21:41.000So that explorer experience where resources are highly constrained, extremely challenging, so building up a civilization on other planets, that might have the same kind of romanticized humanness that we're talking about now.
01:21:56.000Here on Earth, everybody will be just like in a pool of pleasure.
01:22:02.000Just, you know, connected to a VR where just they're constantly just doping me in everywhere.
01:22:07.000Remember when The Matrix first came out and you're like, that's stupid.
01:22:29.000But if you're giving people the option to live a completely free life...
01:22:35.000Where you're the hero, you're the bad motherfucker, you're riding a motorcycle with your shirt open and you get all the girls and you're fucking shooting guns at the sky and the UFOs come and they take you on a trip and every day is wild and magical and you're running from tigers and you barely get away.
01:23:17.000If you have a boring-ass life, and instead, you could be sniping people from a rooftop and winning, and jumping off the top of a building and landing in a canopy, and you live.
01:23:30.000You're doing this fun thing that's very exciting, whereas regular life is not exciting.
01:23:36.000We're so easily manipulated in that way.
01:23:39.000We're so easily stimulated and we're willing to give up a giant percentage of our time already to these things, whether it's to our phone or whether it's to video games that we play and Xbox and PlayStation and all the shit that people are just addicted to all day long.
01:23:55.000It's not much different to go from that to the next level, to just be completely integrated with technology.
01:24:05.000I don't know how many years, but I think we're gonna look back on these years of fucking riots in the streets, cops killing people, and we're gonna go, God, we were so dumb back then.
01:24:15.000We're so concerned with romance and meanwhile was all this suffering and all this hate and all this jealousy and anger and all this misdirected rage and now it's all gone.
01:24:26.000And now people work together to like create symbiosis and balance on earth with all the natural elements, the plants and the trees and the water and we live in a carbon neutral way.
01:24:40.000Yeah, I mean, it does seem that the chaos is a side effect, like a recent one, because of social media, because of all of us being connected.
01:24:48.000Does it not feel like somehow different than the early, like even like around 9-11, it just feels like the drama, the tension wasn't there.
01:24:59.000So this is some weird chaotic state that we're trying to figure out.
01:25:02.000And I think it's obvious to me that same mechanisms that enable this kind of drama on social media will lead us to connect on a deep level as humans in a positive way.
01:25:15.000Social media, I know it's cliche to say, but that's what they dream about.
01:25:19.000Even Facebook and all of them, they want to connect people and discover cool people, cool communities.
01:25:26.000You learn stuff, you grow, you challenge yourself, you meet friends, meet people, you fall in love with all of that.
01:25:35.000And just have an enriching life to where if you use a piece of social media, TikTok is a little better at this.
01:25:41.000When you're done using it, you feel a little bit better than you did before.
01:25:54.000I think you feel like a loser because you've looked at it for a very long time versus, I'm referring to more like it's more, it's less, the virality of TikTok spreads drama less,
01:26:13.000Right, than like Twitter, which is all drama.
01:26:16.000Yeah, it's not all drama, but it, It's a lot of fucking drama.
01:26:20.000It's a lot of drama and the drama somehow spreads faster than on other networks.
01:26:25.000It's interesting when you see narratives and that those narratives are not accurate and you see narratives that get pushed Like one we were talking about earlier today was the Paul Pelosi video.
01:27:09.000But you could really clearly hear from the 9-11 call that there's a crazy person in his house with a hammer, and he's trying to keep the guy calm.
01:27:16.000And he thought the guy was pretty calm up until the moment where the cops came, and you see he has his hand on the hammer.
01:29:18.000This anonymity is dangerous in that way.
01:29:20.000Because you can have the sociopaths of the world feed that narrative.
01:29:24.000Well, not just that, but we must take into account that when you're seeing a quarrel online now, like when someone has a controversial opinion about something that a bunch of people are shaming him, those might not be real people.
01:29:38.000There's a bunch of people that attack someone.
01:29:42.000Someone has a controversial point, like let's say it's a point about Ukraine or something along those lines, something that's a very contentious issue.
01:29:50.000You will read comments in this person's post and there's a percentage of those people that are responding that aren't real people.
01:29:59.000I don't know what that number is, but it's not zero.
01:30:02.000If there's any very viral tweet and it's a very controversial, polarizing subject, some of those people are fake people.
01:30:51.000I feel like we're talking about in like less than 100 versus 100,000, which means inexpensively you can create narratives.
01:31:00.000As long as there's a hunger and a suspicion about institutions, about individual politicians and so on, they could just pick up and create chaos.
01:31:17.000If you were a company, if you were a country, if you even were an individual that's obsessed with their own image, like think about what Bill Gates has spent To prop up certain media organizations like the amount of donations that he's given to media organizations and people thought like that might have been connected to favorable coverage of him.
01:31:36.000Whether or not that's true, you could see how someone would do that.
01:31:39.000If someone's worth billions and billions of dollars, let's just not even say him, let's make up a fictional person that's worth billions of dollars.
01:31:46.000One way to curry favor with a bunch of people that are writing stories about you is to donate money to their organizations, exorbitant amounts of money.
01:31:56.000I mean, it's kind of what Sam Bankman-Free did with FTX. I mean, when you're the number two donor to the Democratic Party and then Maxine Waters is like, you know, I mean, I don't even know.
01:33:09.000If I wanted to create a narrative right now, I would launch a bunch of bots making up anything about Bill Gates and it'll stick.
01:33:15.000There's a lot of suspicion about Bill Gates.
01:33:18.000The problem to me is, I'm not making any statements, but the problem to me is it's possible that Bill Gates has actually brought more positive to the world than almost any human being who's ever lived.
01:33:29.000It depends on the conspiracy theories you believe.
01:33:32.000The amount of funding he's invested in helping people in Africa, helping cure disease and malaria and so on is humongous.
01:33:44.000I'm not saying anything about Bill Gates, but it's sad to me if Bill Gates, if none of those conspiracies are true, most of them are not true, that we're attacking him and giving SPF a pass until SPF got really screwed.
01:33:58.000Well, I think the only reason why they're attacking him was because, A, he was connected to the pandemic when it came to his support of vaccinations, and then, B, he had a formidable investment.
01:34:24.000I think he made like 10x on his return, something crazy like that.
01:34:28.000So you could see that there'd be a financial incentive for someone like him to be promoting something and then profiting off that thing and then talking openly about that thing not being very effective and that there needs to be a new thing.
01:34:41.000And so just that alone, you're embroiled in controversy now, and this is not taking us out at all.
01:34:49.000Looking at all that, you could see easily why people would be mad at him.
01:34:53.000The reason why people are mad at Sam Bankman-Fried is because people have always thought that crypto seems like nonsense.
01:35:01.000Like, Bitcoin kind of makes sense, because there's only a certain amount of them, and there's a mysterious character that created it, and it's all geniuses, and it was kind of the first one that became popular in public, but all these other, like, weird crypto coins, and you're just making up, and they're worth this and that, and this guy's bought a fucking arena,
01:35:19.000Well, so there's a lot of Frosters, definitely, but the people thought, in the 50s, thought the Beatles were full of shit, and the kids with their day, with the rock music, and Yeah, but the kids didn't think the Beatles were full of shit.
01:36:04.000I'm not talking to him about whether or not crypto is good or bad and whether or not I should invest.
01:36:10.000But when he starts making fun of these fucking dorks that are taking speed, fucking each other in a condo in the Bahamas, it's hilarious.
01:36:21.000When you see how much fertile ground there is to mock this idea that these coins that you make up out of thin air, oh, it's worth a billion dollars, better buy it.
01:36:40.000But that's why people are mad, because automatically you think it's bullshit, because it doesn't make any sense.
01:36:44.000It's like when people talk about NFTs.
01:36:46.000Like, Tom Segura and Christina Pazitsky from your mom's house, they put up like an NFT, and it's the only time I've ever read their comments where people are mad at them.
01:36:54.000Where people are like, what the fuck is this?
01:37:53.000But it's also possible that cryptocurrency is a revolutionary thing that fights the centralization of power and financial power especially.
01:39:06.000It's so hard to know what's a fad, what's straight up fraud, and what's a legitimate kind of technological force that will progress our civilization forward.
01:39:19.000And when it's resisted, how much of it is special interest run by centralized banks?
01:39:25.000It's hard to know who to trust in this kind of arena.
01:39:29.000And how much of it is manipulated by them?
01:39:31.000I mean, if they can buy it too, maybe they buy it just to fucking tank it.
01:39:35.000Maybe they buy just to fuck around with it and keep it unstable, you know?
01:39:39.000And the level of obsession that cryptocurrency folks have about their particular project also seems unhealthy to me.
01:39:46.000Whenever somebody's 100% sure about a thing, I'm super suspicious about it.
01:39:52.000Like if you're not able to criticize it or have some doubt, I'm very suspicious about it.
01:39:58.000I'm sorry, but don't you have to be all in to make it work?
01:40:20.000We all agree that this certain coin is valuable.
01:40:23.000If we are all, all in, then we can actually use it.
01:40:28.000But if we're like wishy-washy, and then some foreign actors come in, and by foreign I mean someone other than you and the other people that are investing, honestly, they come in just with the idea of manipulating it and fucking with it because it's a competition of fiat currency,
01:40:44.000and they just tank it and fuck with it.
01:40:47.000If you're all in, you can weather those storms.
01:41:42.000All of it's interesting because having options as to, you know, it's not like our financial system is perfect.
01:41:50.000Having options and allowing it to evolve and get better, that should be everyone's goal.
01:41:54.000But the problem is once someone or any organization is in control of this one aspect of society, Whether it's spreading money or spreading information, they'll resist tooth, fang, and claw any new intrusion into that area.
01:42:10.000And if that intrusion is more efficient and better and better for the people and you can't control it, like a decentralized digital currency.
01:42:24.000It's actually resisting, pushing against our whole notion of what's a centralized governing entity of governments in general.
01:42:34.000We're more and more becoming a global society connected through social media and so on where the people have more and more power and that's scary for governments.
01:42:47.000They're supposed to be scared of the people.
01:42:48.000They're not supposed to be making the people scared.
01:42:50.000The government's literally supposed to be people like you working for you to make everything better for you.
01:42:56.000It's not supposed to be like you buy a fucking house like Paul Pelosi worth, you know, millions of dollars and some crazy – how does he not have security?
01:43:04.000They're worth hundreds of millions of dollars that they swindled the American public from.
01:43:10.000I mean, if you have that kind of cash and everybody knows you got a lot of it maybe from trading in a way that like you might have known some stuff before you made these trades.
01:43:19.000I mean, you might have had some inside information.
01:43:22.000Yeah, but there's probably much richer people to target.
01:43:25.000Do you know that they are more successful at trading than Warren Buffett and George Soros?
01:45:51.000If that guy had gotten into that house, and she was there instead of him, and the cops came and she was there, he would have killed her with that fucking hammer, man.
01:46:01.000And maybe she would have reacted in a different way than her husband.
01:46:03.000Her husband was trying to calm the guy down, it seemed like.
01:46:06.000If you listen to the 911 call, the 911 call, he's having this conversation with the lady on the phone, trying to be calm about getting cops to his house, when the lady is saying, I guess you're okay then.
01:46:18.000And he's like, no, no, no, I'm not okay.
01:46:51.000Well, I'm just, in some sense, glad that there's video of this to where we know it's a crazy person versus, like, that kind of suffocates some of the conspiracy theories.
01:48:34.000He's really into ChatGPT right now, Gordon.
01:48:38.000Well, he's concerned about censorship at ChatGPT, which is a really, really important issue.
01:48:43.000Like, if you get ChatGPT to say something that a centralized entity labels as misinformation, you start censoring it, you get all the same kind of effects that you saw with censorship, with silencing, and all of that.
01:48:55.000Well, he asked ChatGPT to describe him, and it described him as this very polarizing figure with bad political views and divisive ideas and very negative.
01:49:18.000No, I don't I don't think it was that I think it was one of those situations where it was like a Like Bill Gates or something like that The funny thing is he he asked me of course the question he would ask me is like how how far away away from Oh Anthony Fauci.
01:49:35.000That's it was the fact she's like it would be terrible to criticize Anthony Fauci Yeah, see?
01:49:41.000It would not be appropriate for me to create an argument criticizing Anthony Fauci or any other individual without a clear context.
01:49:48.000It's important to be respectful and considerate when discussing others.
01:49:52.000Ensure that any criticisms are based on facts and evidence.
01:49:55.000Additionally, it would be important to consider the source of any information used to support any criticisms and to be aware of any potential biases or conflicts of interest.
01:50:07.000As Anthony Fauci is a leading voice on vaccines and immunology in the United States and widely considered an expert on the subject, It would be important to approach any criticisms of his views or recommendations on vaccines with caution and to be well informed on the current scientific understanding of vaccines before making any claims.
01:50:29.000That is a very politically biased perspective.
01:50:33.000If you looked at that perspective from people like Rand Paul, who is a very respected politician, have a very different perspective than ChatGPT does.
01:50:43.000But then if you go to Gordon Ryan, go to his.
01:50:49.000Gordon Ryan is a well-known figure in the world of martial arts and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, but his views on politics have come under scrutiny in recent years.
01:51:14.000Gordon Ryan is a well-known figure in the world of martial arts and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, but his views on politics have come under scrutiny in recent years.
01:52:43.000But imagine, in the first, go back to Gordon, obviously, like, the vaccines are far more important than someone who's the best at strangling people.
01:52:50.000But if Chad GPT is going to argue or make a description of him, you would say how successful he is at Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.
01:53:14.000So, second, Ryan's political views have been criticized for being divisive and harmful to marginalized groups.
01:53:22.000He's been accused of promoting hateful and discriminatory ideologies and for failing to understand how his views may impact people who are different from him.
01:53:30.000This is like a value judgment made by AI. He asked it to do that though.
01:54:18.000Yeah, and AI should be able to do a really strong version of that.
01:54:23.000It's very tough, especially in controversial topics.
01:54:26.000Clearly, if you can't do that with that, that's like most likely it's manipulated.
01:54:33.000Well, so, okay, there's a lot of interesting answers to that.
01:54:37.000So one aspect of it, I don't know if that was censored, because they are trying to do a thing on top of it that doesn't spread misinformation, all the usual stuff that can get you into trouble, all that.
01:55:19.000And it also is trained on Reddit links and Reddit leans left, generally.
01:55:25.000So I think this is fixable if you expand the training data set on things that are more politically represented across the political spectrum.
01:55:34.000One of the challenges is that Elon highlights there's companies in Silicon Valley like OpenAI and Microsoft probably lean significantly left.
01:55:43.000Despite what people think, most engineers don't care, but they probably lean left.
01:55:49.000I just asked it to criticize Fauci and it sort of did.
01:55:52.000It says he's a highly regarded immunologist.
01:56:01.000In the United States, despite his extensive expertise and contributions to public health, he has faced criticism from some individuals and groups for his response to the COVID-19 pandemic.
01:56:11.000Some have accused him of changing his recommendations and advice based on political considerations, while others have criticized the slow pace of vaccine distribution in the U.S., It's important to note that many public health experts and organizations continue to support Dr. Fauci in his work.
01:58:31.000There are some tricks here along the way as we discover how to create intelligent systems.
01:58:34.000Google is desperately working on this.
01:58:37.000Obviously Microsoft is the one that's investing in OpenAI, different companies are investing in this, and open source versions are popping up.
01:58:46.000The reason Google is freaking out, I don't think there's justification for this, is that it might replace search.
01:58:53.000So a lot of the questions you Google It's like questions about how something works and basically chat GPT can replace knowledge.
01:59:06.000So like questions about answers, sorry, questions about basic facts of the world and events and all that kind of stuff.
01:59:14.000And then if you integrate search into that, Google would be worried because you might be able to discover the right webpage for this kind of piece of knowledge because you can trace it back to the data on which it was trained on to attain that kind of knowledge.
01:59:30.000Google makes a lot of money from search, from ads on search.
02:00:51.000Chad GPT is really good at creating the filler that we all do.
02:00:54.000That's why I can replace your English essay in high school, because most of English essays are filler.
02:00:59.000You're not actually saying anything interesting.
02:01:01.000And on a date, too, most things is filler, except the human emotions that we feel, the dance of human emotions.
02:01:10.000Maybe that's how we'll get to give up on being human, is that it becomes so muddied through things like ChatGPT, 7.0, and AI, and that we're just like, who knows what the fuck it means to be a person anyway.
02:04:59.000But in terms of expanded capability, it's given me a while because we're gonna get so much amazing expanded capability in our devices that we just hold.
02:05:09.000And the bandwidth is already pretty high in terms of communicating awesomeness to us.
02:05:13.000So I don't see the obvious need for that extremely high bandwidth that Neuralink would provide, like just injecting AI into our brain.
02:05:25.000I think we're probably like 50 years away from AI in our brain, basically being able to inject chat GPT knowledge into our brain directly.
02:06:08.000Yeah, you can't monkey with the result of it.
02:06:09.000You can monkey with the development parts.
02:06:11.000You have to understand the embryogenesis or whatever.
02:06:14.000The process of building from the actual...
02:06:17.000How the programming maps to the function throughout the entire process.
02:06:21.000Because I think most of the magic honestly happens, first of all, probably in the womb and maybe in the first year of life.
02:06:27.000That's where all the cool shit happens.
02:06:30.000Messing with already the adult, the baked cake is too difficult.
02:06:35.000So, of course, through simulation, like AlphaFold, a lot of stuff DeepMind is doing, through simulation we'll probably be able to understand some of these complicated biological processes like protein folding and more, but we're really far away from that.
02:06:47.000I think we are really far away from it, but I don't know what that means because really far might just be a few years once a giant breakthrough happens.
02:06:53.000But my point is I don't think they're mutually exclusive.
02:06:57.000I think evolution and monkeying with the evolution is a part of evolution.
02:07:00.000I think it's a natural course of progression for the way the human curious mind works and its ability to manipulate things around it.
02:07:07.000Whether it's manipulate environments and structures to survive the elements, or whether it's manipulating electricity and frequencies to send signals and videos through the sky, whatever the fuck it's doing, it's trying to always do a better version of that.
02:07:22.000And I think that that manipulating genetics is a part of evolution.
02:07:26.000I think it's just a natural part of evolution.
02:07:28.000We just think of it as something, since we created it, if we create A thing and that thing changes biology.
02:08:16.000Yeah, but how long is it going to be tricky for?
02:08:18.000I mean, back then when you were on that stupid wagon making your way across the country, ducking arrows, that was a stupid way to get to the other side of the country.
02:08:28.000And instead of taking months and you eat your kids in the fucking mountains because you've snowed in, instead of that, you land in California in three hours.
02:09:04.000It's probably – and I think we're probably going to be visited.
02:09:07.000I think there's going to come a time where these things from other places that are leaving behind whatever video and signal and evidence that there's something that exists in a way that we can't explain or describe.
02:09:21.000But those things are probably going to make themselves more well-known.
02:09:25.000Well, that's why space exploration is really interesting to me.
02:09:28.000It feels like it's going to increase the likelihood.
02:10:21.000When you say, why are they not showing up?
02:10:25.000If they are coming here, why would they let us know?
02:10:28.000If we're trying to look at them and try to figure out where they are, it's a distance issue.
02:10:33.000There's no way we can figure it out yet.
02:10:35.000But if they solved, like Kardashev type 1, type 2, like if they solved energy, like nuclear fusion at a scale of like a star system or a scale of a galaxy, we should be able to see them.
02:11:31.000Those guys, man, think about those first jet fighter pilots and first astronauts and people who had the balls to climb into a seat of a rocket, get shot up into the fucking cosmos.
02:11:45.000So the interesting thing about the Soviet side compared to the American side, so Yuri Gagarin, the first man in space on the Soviet side, I think the safety standards were a little lower on the Soviet side.
02:12:20.000Well, funny thing, people criticize U.S. when the moon landing and so on, suspicious, but the U.S. is actually much better at filming stuff.
02:12:27.000They did a better job of just strapping an astronaut in and just launch the thing.
02:13:14.000Like, could you imagine if you could go, like, if there was a famous explorer, you know, that went to some weird island somewhere, and you go there, and you see his footprints still in the mud, where he walked in the 1960s, you'd be like, holy shit.
02:13:29.000But imagine that times a million, if you go to the moon and see footprints.
02:13:33.000But imagine if you go up there and there's fucking...
02:13:36.000Yeah, it doesn't matter, but you still got up there.
02:13:38.000You're like, wait, they were supposed to land right here?
02:15:55.000Which is what happens when you get to say something and nobody gets to refute you on the spot.
02:15:59.000Yeah, well, if you believe in gravity, one of the...
02:16:04.000Tim is definitely somebody to look into, because to me, because he's a car guy, to me there's nothing fucking more badass than a rocket engine.
02:21:14.000Yeah, 100. Well, see, the really dark...
02:21:19.000The dark reality with everything that SpaceX is doing that I really worry about versus like Tesla and everything else that Elon has evolved with is if Elon is no longer here, I don't know if we'll be pushing towards that as hard as we are.
02:21:35.000Yeah, we gotta protect Elon at all costs.
02:21:37.000He's so singular in this what a lot of people are calling insane drive to go to Mars and actually colonize Mars and becoming a multi-planetary species There's just so few people that are really pushing for that, like obsessively pushing for that.
02:21:52.000That's why, you know, with Tesla, with automation and electrification of vehicles, there's other people trying this and working on this.
02:22:20.000That was the thought about the initial Apollo missions, is that those people aren't there anymore, right?
02:22:27.000People have always had this question, why haven't we gone back to the moon?
02:22:31.000There's conspiracy theories that we never went in the first place, and then there's also people that say, no, those people that had the singular obsession to beat Russia, They don't exist anymore.
02:23:23.000In the efforts of space exploration, space travel, launching rockets up into space, that seems like one of the only situations in which major nations that are competing otherwise can collaborate in a healthy competition.
02:23:36.000Because, at least for now, there's no military conflict out in space.
02:23:40.000And so you can, there's a legitimate scientific engineering competition that's happening.
02:23:45.000And that's happened with the Soviet Union.
02:23:47.000The space race was, there's a cold war going on, but the space race was between engineers and scientists and so on.
02:23:54.000And a huge investment into that effort, but it was peaceful.
02:23:58.000Yeah, it's an interesting time if you think about it, right?
02:24:00.000Like 1969, when there was this battle for technological superiority that was, in a lot of ways, fueled by Nazi scientists.
02:24:47.000When you think about alternative methods of propulsion, how far away do you think we are from something that's far superior to these badass rockets that you love so much?
02:25:00.000Yeah, because it's like old-school technology currently.
02:25:11.000Why would you go there physically as a biological entity and risk death?
02:25:15.000Just think about the capabilities of what we send to Mars.
02:25:18.000Those drones they send to Mars, it's incredible.
02:25:21.000The images that we get back, it's amazing.
02:25:23.000And it's fairly rudimentary in terms of what we consider these aliens supposedly, thousands of years advanced from us, millions of years advanced from us have.
02:25:35.000Well, I think there's a lot of kind of short-term, meaning in the next 50 years, development that could happen with nuclear propulsion, especially out in space.
02:25:46.000So taking off from Earth, the downside of nuclear propulsion is the radiation.
02:25:50.000But out in space, you can do propulsion with nuclear fission or nuclear fusion.
02:25:55.000For longer term space travel to really accelerate a lot and to have a lot of energy for the long distance, like interstellar travel.
02:26:05.000But even that, from everybody that tells me that's not enough.
02:26:08.000So I think if we want to get humans, if you want a super light vehicle that just travels super fast, that's different.
02:26:16.000But that's probably not what we're interested in.
02:26:19.000That's very interesting from a scientific perspective, like travel to Alpha Centauri, super, super fast, like, I don't know, a fraction of the speed of light, and then take a few pictures, like fast flybys.
02:26:37.000Do you imagine the first time we send some sort of an interplanetary probe, we send something that can go to another solar system, and we just fucking hit jackpot.
02:26:45.000We fly over some Blade Runner city, you know, like, holy shit!
02:26:50.000The problem is, and this is actually the sad, like, with the Fauci thing, The thing I worry about is that the cynicism and the controversy and the politicization of science, people will doubt whatever we see.
02:27:39.000For now, wait until nuclear fusion, which is what powers the sun, becomes a legitimate power source that competes with our current power sources, and people will be like, well, no, they'll construct all kinds of narratives around the sun.
02:27:52.000Just people that don't think nuclear bombs are real.
02:27:54.000It's like a growing movement of knuckleheads online to think nuclear bombs are fake.
02:27:58.000And that's probably a subset, but there's a large number of people that believe nuclear energy is unsafe.
02:28:21.000But you have to look at all the other dangers.
02:28:24.000But then again, the people that are telling you that nuclear is safe are also the same people that are telling you that other things we put in our bodies are safe.
02:28:34.000And there's a big distrust of that kind of...
02:28:36.000To me, this is the biggest tragedy that there's a lot of people that are good at what they fucking do in this world.
02:28:45.000And for us to constantly be suspicious of them is just not a good way to progress in this civilization.
02:28:51.000Sure, like people that are suspicious of Bill Gates when he's promoting health advice and he doesn't look healthy.
02:28:58.000Still might be doing a good job with health advice.
02:29:01.000You mean like Louis C.K. on your show?
02:32:14.000She said the number one cause of obesity is genetics.
02:32:17.000And it doesn't matter what you do, like, you could be a person who has a perfect diet and exercises and sleeps right and you're still obese.
02:32:25.000And the health experts went fucking nuts.
02:32:28.000The data shows that most people who are obese have obese parents and they come from an obese family, but they're all doing the wrong thing.
02:32:41.000A person in that family that's eating grass-fed steak and running marathons and lifting weights and getting up at 6 in the morning and getting in a cold plunge and doing all these different things, but it's still fat as fuck.
02:32:51.000And they're watching their calories in and calories out, and they're burning 1,000 calories a day in exercise, and they're still fat as fuck.
02:33:09.000I mean, if you believe in determinism, if you believe in the impact of the people around you and the environment that you're in, which is most certainly real.
02:33:17.000The impact of your parents, the impact of modeling.
02:33:20.000You're modeling after other people's bad decision making.
02:33:25.000But to say that all obesity is just genetic is bonkers.
02:33:31.000That's a bonkers thing to say and it discredits all these people that we know that were obese that without surgery lost all that weight and looked great.
02:34:13.000I mean, he did it, and he documented it, and he had to go through surgery to get the skin removed so that he wasn't like a flying squirrel.
02:34:37.000If you say it's all genetic or it's significantly genetic, then you're encouraging people to be more accepting of the challenges of other people's lives.
02:34:47.000Everybody's walking a hard road is basically the philosophical thing.
02:34:52.000Just because it's easy for you to exercise doesn't mean it's easy for others to exercise.
02:35:25.000The idea that your life, because it was difficult, is exactly the same as somebody else's life, which may be more difficult or have insurmountable obstacles that are in the way.
02:35:34.000There's also different temperaments, different mental fortitude that people are just, for whatever reason, from the womb have.
02:35:44.000Some people are just determined from the time they're really young, and some people are just not.
02:35:49.000Some people are discouraged easily and some people are not.
02:36:05.000And you could talk to a lot of people that have lost weight and they'll tell you it's not true.
02:36:08.000It doesn't mean that the people who are obese didn't get a really bad hand genetically, a really bad hand in terms of the environment they grew up with.
02:37:41.000Because what it's doing is, I'm just guessing.
02:37:43.000There might be some other mechanisms involved, obviously.
02:37:45.000But if you're, like, full quicker, which is the idea behind this stuff, it's almost like you're taking an injection that does the same thing as, like, a belly band.
02:37:55.000I mean, if you're not eating enough food and you're losing fat that quickly, you might be losing muscle, too.
02:38:01.000Because when people go on binge diets and they starve themselves, they lose muscle.
02:38:05.000When guys lose weight for fights and they get down to a very minimal calorie input, they lose muscle, too.
02:38:14.000Like when someone cuts themselves down from like 205 and fights at 170, 100% they're going to lose some muscle too.
02:38:21.000Yeah, but there's an interesting, so fighting is different, but if you're doing it in a healthy way for your own personal life, there might be some strength training combined.
02:38:31.000I mean, that's a really interesting dynamic, right?
02:38:33.000How do you lose weight while maintaining muscle mass?
02:38:35.000Well, it depends on how many calories you're burning.
02:38:39.000Much of the weight loss resulting from GLP-1 agonists is the loss of muscle, bone mass, and other lean tissue rather than body fat.
02:38:50.000For example, a 2021, but at least you look good.
02:38:54.0002021 trial entitled The Impact of Semaglutide on Body Composition in Adults with Overweight or Obesity that included pre- and post-treatment DEXA scans.
02:39:04.000DEXA is a medical imaging test used to assess body composition and bone density.
02:39:09.000It's one of the most Accurate methods for identifying how much body fat a person has versus fat-free mass, such as muscle and bone mass.
02:39:18.00034.8% of the total weight loss experienced by participants receiving semaglutide resulted from muscle, bone, and connective tissue.
02:40:10.000Comparing two programs for weight loss in a population of experienced athletes, the slow reduction group lost 5.6% of their total body weight with 100% of the loss coming from body fat.
02:40:21.000So they did it slow, did it nice and scientifically, while simultaneously gaining 2.1% lean mass.
02:40:29.000So that's showing you it's way better to do it the right way.
02:40:32.000If 35% to 40% of total weight loss comes from lean tissue, such as observed in many recent GLP-1 agonist trials, it would be disastrous for an athlete's strength, endurance, and performance levels, and I would say resistance to injuries, too.
02:40:46.000Because if it's saying that it's breaking down your connective tissue, that would be disastrous for knees and shoulders and necks and all that other shit.
02:40:56.000Well, that goes to the fact that this incredible biological system we have is very hard to understand.
02:41:26.000I can't remember what it is, but I know people have said it fucks with their brain, so it's like, well, take this brain pill so that it blocks that, and now this thing will fuck with your brain.
02:45:29.000So it's losing power, for sure, but we're in this transitionary phase where these magazines still have power.
02:45:38.000New York Times still have prestige and authority.
02:45:41.000So if it's written there, even though they're misusing that authority, because New York Times, online, there's a huge number of articles that I don't know, Forbes, I don't know any of this.
02:45:51.000But there's just a huge number of articles.
02:45:53.000They're using the prestige of that title, and they can write whatever the heck they want.
02:45:57.000And they're incentivized to write the most dramatic possible thing.
02:46:03.000I mean, I'm hopeful about ChatGPT replacing all of that, because it'll just be able to automatically generate a bunch of bullshit to where we'll realize it's all...
02:47:27.000Not act as bots, but they have multiple accounts and they control different, and they get really good at controlling the conversation in the way that steers you towards a particular narrative.
02:47:36.000I can honestly do it with a team of 10 people, probably, control a narrative of a particular...
02:48:14.000Basically showing to people, revealing to them that there's a lot of misinformation online and only you can figure it out using the capacities of your own reason.
02:48:28.000Diversifying the sources of news that you take in and all of that.
02:48:53.000There was someone that did a comparison of this one phrase that was said by so many people about, is it really right for one person to have this much power?
02:49:02.000And it was just like, oh, these accounts.
02:49:14.000Because it's clearly there's something going on, right?
02:49:17.000And I would do that if I didn't want him to do it.
02:49:20.000If I was, like, some competitor or if I was some organization that, you know, was enjoying the benefits of it being censored and having some sort of interaction with the company to be like, hey, this story, we should fucking kill it.
02:49:35.000And then you knew you could just get it killed.
02:49:38.000But there's other forces like writing a negative thing about Elon, a tweet or an article is more likely to produce likes.
02:49:47.000That's the current state of things, especially ever since, and I criticize him for this, becoming political.
02:50:10.000When he made that picture of the pregnant man emoji right next to Bill Gates and said, if you want to lose a boner real quick, that's the same guy that wants to put people on the moon.
02:50:38.000He can hire better than anybody I've ever seen.
02:50:40.000So build up a team, get rid of the people on the team that are not contributing effectively.
02:50:46.000That's really rare, especially for large companies.
02:50:49.000Well, when he moved into Twitter and did that, it was funny, like, at the outrage, but yet there was so much information out there, so much evidence that, like, there was a lot of waste there.
02:50:59.000Like, I'm sure you saw the video of this woman who outlines her day at Twitter.
02:51:05.000Like, I'm so blessed to work at Twitter.
02:51:28.000Sleeping on the office floor, really trying hard to solve these problems, demanding that sort of work ethic from all the people that he works with.
02:51:41.000As a Twitter employee, so this past week went to SF for the first time at a Twitter office, badged in, honestly took a moment to just soak everything in.
02:53:53.000I think programmers usually put in more hours.
02:53:55.000But even for programming, to be effective, really, four hours a day is probably two to four hours a day is when you're really focused and really being productive.
02:56:36.000It's controlled by whoever's in office, by the intelligence agencies which never leave office.
02:56:42.000If that becomes how all of our information gets out to us, That is – it's a very – you would hope that they would do a great job in being fair and balanced and telling us the truth about everything and just keeping us from bad information.
02:56:57.000But if you go over the history of not just this country but of every country, there's been times where they've done things that are contrary to the interest of the public and they've done it measurably.
02:57:09.000You get freedom of information files on all kinds of things that the government has done that people are very, very unhappy with.
02:57:15.000If they can control a narrative and – That's fucking dangerous.
02:57:18.000And him being in control of Twitter, as much as the cucks freak out, at the end of the day, at least you have one pathway for information where you get to see things debated and disputed.
02:57:33.000And that's just not the case in the other ones.
02:58:00.000But you can convert the bias that Twitter previously had into the other direction.
02:58:06.000Either the left or the right are, they're both susceptible to the corrupting nature of power.
02:58:12.000So I think the bigger thing is, the bigger issues, what I think Jack Dorsey has talked about, is putting the power of censorship into the hands of the company is the problem.
02:58:27.000You have to outsource, remove the censorship, like leave it up to the people to censor themselves.
02:58:32.000Meaning to control what kind of people I want in my life, on social media, who am I interacting with.
02:58:39.000Don't have a centralized committee and meeting that censors.
02:58:42.000Because you're always not into trouble there.
02:58:46.000And you see that now with even Twitter.
02:58:48.000There's questionable decisions being made now in the other direction also.
02:58:54.000But in general, it seems like there's cherry picking of who gets banned and not.
02:59:01.000That's always going to be the case if it's centralized.
02:59:04.000It's going to probably be better with Elon because he's more allergic to bullshit than others, but any centralized power is going to get corrupted.
03:02:08.000The other thing about the argument for censorship is that if you do admit that there are some bots, or at the very least there's people that are hired to do certain things and to push a narrative on Twitter, if you allow that,
03:02:23.000you could allow someone to game the system.
03:02:25.000If you just have no moderation at all, you could most certainly, someone could come in and game the system and just flood, especially if your timeline is by time.
03:02:42.000If you do that, man, shit, you could really just swarm something.
03:02:46.000And keep like these posts coming in that have one narrative and one narrative only.
03:02:53.000And if you're interested in a subject like what happened in blah, blah, blah in Cincinnati and you go there to the story and the narrative is promoted by people that have a vested interest in getting one version of the truth out.
03:03:04.000Yeah, I trust in the people's general ability to figure out the different perspectives on a story and to figure out the truth from that.
03:03:14.000You have to trust in that ability and try as much as possible to remove the low-effort bullshit.
03:03:20.000So not the wrong bullshit, not the misinformation, but the mockery, the trolling, the bot stuff, all of that.
03:03:32.000It's really difficult because there's a lot of gray areas.
03:03:35.000There's a lot of, obviously, amazing humor online.
03:03:37.000That's like mockery sometimes is one of the best ways to get to the truth.
03:03:41.000I mean, that's Tim Dillon's whole existence, right?
03:03:44.000So you have to be extremely careful with what is and isn't, but I think you have to put that power in the hands of individual users versus some kind of centralized entity.
03:03:57.000There's no simple, clear path towards a perfect environment.
03:04:02.000But I think that's also part of what's going on is this weird struggle to kind of figure out how to do this correctly.
03:04:09.000And that's where it's fascinating that a guy like Elon comes along, where you get this very wealthy and influential person that says, like, you can't just let it go this way.
03:04:16.000Let's introduce this new element and try to figure it out in a way that I'm not listening to the intelligence agencies.
03:04:25.000A bunch of weird shenanigans and release these Twitter files and allow these journalists to go over all this data.
03:04:31.000Just that alone has been a massive service.
03:04:34.000Jamie, you were saying something to me the other day about Russian bots that you think...