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00:00:57.000And they all, come on, they all just followed you, right?
00:00:59.000They saw what you did and they were like, all right, let's go there.
00:01:01.000Well, I kind of let them know, like, you don't have to be there.
00:01:04.000You don't have to be in Hollywood, stuck in traffic, and you don't have to deal with, like, it was always, in California, there was always the lure of Hollywood because they were going to give you work.
00:01:50.000Yeah, they're trying to do more movies now, like Burt just did a big movie, The Machine, and it was a real problem because it got delayed because it's all about Russia.
00:02:53.000Well, you know, some of the propaganda that comes out of there is like...
00:02:57.000World-class silly, you know, it's like they have effectively a state religion where, I mean, they said famously, uh, Kim Jong-il in his first round of golf, he shot like, I don't know, it was like, yeah, something ridiculous.
00:03:11.000Yeah, so they go top-notch with their propaganda.
00:07:57.000Well, he's doing Kill Tony, and Kill Tony's a huge show, and he's a regular on Kill Tony, so he does a new minute of stand-up every week on Kill Tony.
00:08:25.000I wonder, like, how many people out there are kind of similar in that they would be hilarious if given the opportunity, but they never really step on stage or things in life don't quite come together and they're stuck at their 9 to 5 or whatever.
00:08:36.000It really makes you think, like, what percentage of people can do this if given the opportunity and if they get on stage?
00:09:40.000Do you agree with me that there's different kinds of funny?
00:09:42.000There's some people who can be funny off the cuff, naturally in a conversation, and then there's people who can actually take it to the stage.
00:09:49.000Because, in my opinion, the stage is something totally different.
00:09:54.000It's one thing to do off-handed, quick comments and play off what other people are saying, but if you're up there and the spotlight's on you and you got nobody else to play off of, that's like a different kind of funny.
00:10:03.000It's a different way of delivering it.
00:10:04.000It's a different kind of funny, but if you understand funny, it's just a matter of putting together subjects in a way that utilizes your sense of humor.
00:10:16.000Like, if you can do it in a conversation, most likely you can do it on stage.
00:13:43.000What I find interesting is, and I noticed this from the different comedians last night, some people, the delivery can be totally different and be good in different ways.
00:13:52.000So some people, like, they tell a story and it's a slow build-up to a big punchline.
00:13:56.000And then other people, like Tony Hinchcliffe, this is the sense I got from him, is that when he talks, every word seems kind of, like, weighty.
00:14:02.000Like, everything kind of lands, and he's getting a laugh every, whatever, 20 seconds.
00:14:06.000Where he needs to just say one sentence, and boom, the crowd goes off, whereas some other comedian could sort of build up to a laugh.
00:14:12.000Like, little jokes along the way, and then hit you with a big punchline, whereas Tony's, like, hitting you over and over and over.
00:14:55.000Because when you've got William Montgomery, and Bryan Simpson, and David Lucas, and me, and Tony, and we're all fucking around, and Ron White's there, and we're all bouncing stuff around.
00:16:06.000And there's clubs all around town now because the feeling of comedy being in Austin is like very tangible.
00:16:13.000So, so many people are excited about it.
00:16:15.000So, it seems like the breakup, eventually, between Hollywood and comedy was inevitable, given that, you know, with Hollywood, everything is sort of pre-produced and very particular, and you got executives telling people what they can and cannot say, and everything's very kind of scripted on that front.
00:16:30.000Whereas comedy was always, in a sense, the anti-Hollywood, because it's like, alright, here anything goes.
00:16:35.000You say whatever you want, and then let's just, you know, see what happens.
00:16:39.000And so it seems like the breakup was inevitable at some point, that now, you know, they've moved away from Hollywood.
00:16:44.000And it seems like, I don't know, you would know better than I would, like, who's still left in Hollywood and L.A. versus who's in New York, and now it seems like here there's almost maybe the biggest scene here now.
00:18:11.000There's really talented young guys that are here, and they're just working all the time.
00:18:16.000They're at this bar, this night, and this bar, that night.
00:18:18.000And this guy, Ellis Bullard, who's fucking amazing, is like honky-tonk dude, who's really fucking good and really cool guy, too.
00:18:25.000He's out here, and then Gary Clark Jr.'s out here.
00:18:28.000And now Suzanne Santo moved here from Honey Honey and she's here and there's so many good local bands that you could like on any given night, like on Monday night they go out to the Continental Club after they do Kill Tony and all the local guys get together and jam and it's incredible.
00:18:45.000It's like the vibe of, like, live performances here.
00:18:48.000Do you still love comedy as much as you did in, like, the 1990s?
00:18:55.000I got that vibe being in the green room with you guys.
00:18:57.000I got the sense, like, we could literally be in 1998 right now and Joe would be doing, like, the same thing, just with different comics around.
00:19:04.000Yeah, and the fact that there's like this energy to this place too makes it more exciting.
00:19:10.000You know, and also I'm in this part where I'm just developing new material.
00:19:13.000So it's like now I have to like really be invested in trying to make these new bits work.
00:19:19.000It's like when you get together an hour and you're headlining and it's killing, it's like, okay, now I just got to keep this polished and tight.
00:19:25.000But when you have new stuff, it's like, I gotta figure out a way to make this work.
00:19:46.000And it's dangerous because when you record, and I recorded something, I haven't released it yet.
00:19:51.000But when I record something, I then have to throw all that material away and come up with a whole new hour.
00:19:57.000So what I do is I record and then in the time before I release it, that's like crunch time.
00:20:05.000We have to develop a whole new set and then when I release the special, then that material's burnt forever.
00:20:10.000So now I have to figure out how to make this new stuff as good as the old stuff.
00:20:15.000I feel like riffing, when you're talking, feels a lot easier to me than like writing something down and then trying to go through it in a way.
00:20:23.000Because if I write something down and I try to go through it, I feel like I start sounding robotic and I'm not connecting to it as well.
00:20:29.000So when I riff, that's when people are more interested in what I'm saying because, you know, you could hear that it actually is coming from my core as I'm saying it.
00:20:36.000So that's what seems very difficult about comedy to me is that, because you always talk about how you write.
00:20:40.000And so, like, you have to write down your bits, and then you have to deliver it in a way that doesn't feel robotic, that feels like you're still connecting with the words.
00:20:52.000Yeah, Tony does it differently than me.
00:20:54.000And to me, I feel like if I was a comedian, I'd be more like him, because if I write it down, I'll be like, and then this is the part of the joke where, like, it just wouldn't come out.
00:21:01.000Right, but you don't have to say it that way.
00:23:08.000You know, because then the nerves and everything, you're excited about this moment, and it's an important moment for you, and that's important.
00:23:29.000Yeah, well, after you feel nervous, and then you do the thing and you do it well, the feeling of relief you get afterwards is amazing.
00:23:39.000You know, I felt it like I went on the PBD podcast recently, Patrick Ben David, and I went in there knowing, I mean, they're sort of like a grind set...
00:23:49.000Make money, hustle culture, that sort of stuff.
00:23:52.000And I went in there, and as somebody who's on the left, you know, they're not really going to agree with me on it, but they're nice enough guys, and they're in favor of open dialogue and discussion of different ideas, and I was like, hey, this should be fun.
00:24:02.000And so I went in there knowing it was a little bit like the lion's den, so I was a little nervous, but I went in there, and the conversation went great, they're really nice guys, you know, we got a great reaction to it, and the feeling afterwards of relief was like, ugh.
00:24:13.000That's interesting, because you went in there ready to do battle.
00:24:16.000No, so I didn't go in there thinking there's going to be a fight.
00:24:21.000Yes, I thought they're not going to agree with me on some stuff, and so I need to be able to explain myself in a way that can change their mind, or at least give them pause and make them rethink it.
00:24:30.000And I think I largely succeeded on that front.
00:24:33.000A lot of people in their own audience said, you know, hey, I like what this guy had to say.
00:24:44.000He wasn't trying to like, you know, because some people, if you have a debate and they're different perspectives, some people will go in with like, I'm going to own this person mindset.
00:24:57.000Yeah, he's a very genuine person, and that's the appeal, and that's why he's doing so well.
00:25:02.000You know, we talked about that, the authenticity, that we talked about last night with Crystal, saying, with you guys, and with Sagar, and with Jimmy Dore, and even if you don't agree with people, What they're saying?
00:25:15.000I know that's what you genuinely believe and feel and it's based on thinking, it's based on your research, it's based on your comprehension of whatever the subject you're talking about.
00:25:28.000This is your real opinion and that's what people are missing in mainstream media and that's why you guys are eating their lunch.
00:25:36.000There's a real reason for it because people have been deprived of that by executives, And networks that are orchestrating everything and giving people talking points and making people stay in these narrow parameters.
00:25:49.000Did you say there was a woman that was, I forget who she was interviewing, but she was talking about something about climate change.
00:25:55.000And she was asking a question and then she goes, okay, alright, I'm getting in trouble now.
00:26:01.000Let me, because she has an earpiece in it.
00:26:13.000And also fucks up the flow that makes people resonate with what you're saying.
00:26:18.000Because I want to know that if you and Patrick David are disagreeing about a subject, I want to know that it's your thoughts and his thoughts.
00:26:28.000Like, let me see which one I agree with.
00:26:31.000Let me see why Kyle feels the way he feels and why Patrick disagrees.
00:26:52.000And also, the people who are on screen, you don't know what they actually think about this thing.
00:26:56.000Because they're on a network where maybe if they tell you the thing they really think, that's going to buck the orthodoxy, and then they're in trouble, and then they're out.
00:27:20.000And honestly, that is the worst thing you could possibly do.
00:27:23.000The best way to handle it is, and I do this too, if I'm going to say something where I feel like My own audience isn't even gonna agree with me on this.
00:27:30.000You still, you gotta say it if you're telling the truth and then just let the chips fall where they may.
00:27:33.000And one of the things I learned from you is just don't engage, you know, with Twitter and the mentions and YouTube comments because if you're getting good criticism, that's one thing, and you can tell when a criticism is fair, but if you're getting criticism that you're like, this isn't even close to true and now it's making me feel like shit,
00:27:51.000And then you're angry and then you respond to that.
00:27:53.000I'm going to waste three hours feeling negative emotions because some douchebag is attacking me when they don't even know what I really think on the issue?
00:28:00.000Then that's a totally different thing, you know?
00:28:01.000Or they've just seen a clip where you might have looked at both sides of it, but they're only seeing this one side that you're looking at, and they're like, oh, Kyle is turning his back on this and that, and like...
00:28:19.000It keeps your mind pure, too, if you're like, you know, for what I do, I've got to read a lot of articles and watch a lot of videos and then react to it.
00:28:26.000And I have more of an untainted perspective if I go right to the source, read it, and then I react.
00:28:32.000Whereas if I see what other people are saying first, I don't want it to, like, sort of taint my own process going through the original material.
00:28:43.000But the beautiful thing is that now you're getting these people that aren't influenced by a group of people that have a vested interest on gaining some financial benefits from this show being successful.
00:29:40.000Crystal and I have honestly tried to go above and beyond on that front because we don't want any money from certain sources tainting us.
00:29:48.000Because this is what happens with traditional media.
00:29:50.000If you're taking a lot of money from Raytheon and Boeing and Pfizer and then if you really buck the narrative and you say, hey, you know what?
00:29:57.000I think we should maybe nationalize Big Pharma.
00:30:43.000And I think that's a commercially viable way to do it, too.
00:30:47.000You can do it and make a living, especially when you realize that, you know, if you're working at CNN, you've got to realize there's probably, like, hundreds of people that are working there that aren't the entertainment.
00:30:56.000So, like, there's so many different pieces of the pie that get sliced up and chopped up, whereas you don't need as much money to be financially successful with your show, as successful as you would be if you were on a network.
00:31:24.000They're afraid of, because back in 2017, there was some like, big company ad, like a Nestle ad or something, that ran on a white nationalist video.
00:31:33.000And so a bunch of media outlets wrote these articles that were like, oh my god, look what YouTube's doing, they're radicalizing people, this is terrible.
00:31:39.000And so YouTube reacted to that by, they just wanted to cut their losses, and they said, just defund news and politics right now.
00:32:11.000It was huge for us because we were one of the ones affected.
00:32:13.000We literally all the money wiped out overnight, and we didn't know when it was going to come back.
00:32:17.000Now, thankfully, it did come back about a week or two later, but it was never really the same since then, and it was in 2018, I believe, the YouTube CEO said, look, we're addressing the misinformation and disinformation problem, and so now we have authoritative content and borderline content, and so the YouTube algorithm pumps the authoritative content and suppresses the borderline content.
00:32:47.000If this is true, then it's even worse than I remember it being.
00:32:51.000PewDiePie in 2017, the most subscribed YouTuber of all time, at the time, rather, excuse me, came under fire for posting videos that YouTube deemed anti-Semitic and hate speech.
00:33:00.000These videos included references and jokes about Adolf Hitler, as well as two Indian men holding a sign stating death to all Jews.
00:33:28.000Yeah, so they rolled out this whole system to deal with this, and they end up suppressing us You know, and basically putting us in league with stuff like that.
00:34:11.000It used to be if you typed in whatever news thing you were interested in, one of the top videos could be a secular talk video.
00:34:18.000But now, if you type it in, it is never that.
00:34:19.000There was a time when we used to run circles around CNN. They'd get like 2,000 views a video back in like 2015. And we were getting way more than that, 30,000 or whatever it was.
00:34:28.000And then now you go look at any CNN video, even though the thumbnails are shit, the titles are shit, the content is shit, they'll get 300,000, 400,000 views.
00:34:41.000If they decided, hey, what if once every six months we put a secular talk video on the front page of YouTube, that would immediately double the size of my audience.
00:35:50.000That's like the very first thing in the Constitution.
00:35:53.000He just has this idea of the government, and by government he means left-wing government only, that they're going to be altruistic and they're going to look at it the right way and do the right thing.
00:36:23.000You gotta accept the fact that it's going to be messy.
00:36:25.000Who's gonna watch the Watchmen is the old saying.
00:36:28.000So like, you set up this, you set up this like, you know, this overlord group that gets to determine everything, but it's like, what about when they're wrong?
00:36:34.000And they're gonna be wrong from time to time, because sometimes the conventional wisdom ends up being wrong, sometimes it ends up being right, but you never, you don't know, you have to, like you said, it's gonna be messy, you gotta try to figure it out, and anybody putting their thumb on the scale and trying to change the outcome by, you know, fiat from above, that's not the way it's supposed to work.
00:37:00.000Ad hoc, with no questioning it whatsoever, no pretense, no worry.
00:37:06.000Yeah, they have a lot of sources inside the FBI and the CIA. And if the government comes out with their official line, they just write it up like little stenographers.
00:37:17.000You're supposed to fact check them, too.
00:37:19.000Somebody in the CIA says something, you still got to say, hey, is it right or is it wrong?
00:37:22.000One of the best examples of that is the Twitter files.
00:37:25.000You see no coverage of this on CNN. No coverage of this astounding collusion between intelligence agencies and a social media network to suppress accurate information that would harm the political party that's in power.
00:37:43.000It's wild that the news isn't covering this.
00:37:47.000Arguably, that's as big a scandal as Watergate.
00:37:50.000It's as big a scandal as any other times in the past where we've found that there's been some really shady shit going on that would change the way people would see a narrative.
00:38:02.000Remember when you had Mark Zuckerberg on?
00:38:05.000And Zuckerberg was like, yeah, the FBI reached out to us and they said, you know, hey, there's going to be a disinformation dump from Russia coming.
00:38:12.000And so we were ready when the Hunter Biden thing dropped.
00:38:14.000And it's like, okay, well, this is a perfect example of they were just wrong.
00:38:18.000They said, oh, this isn't Hunter Biden's laptop.
00:39:10.000And some people will fall down the rabbit hole, and that sucks, but I do think you have to have some degree of faith that most people are going to be like, yeah, no, this is kind of bullshit.
00:39:19.000Isn't it interesting, though, because that kind of stuff doesn't work on you, right?
00:40:07.000The way I think about that is very simple.
00:40:10.000If QAnon is spreading like wildfire, and it's batshit fucking crazy, which it is, then the burden is on people like me to explain, hey, here's why this is batshit.
00:40:23.000And again, the issue is, if it's coming from an independent voice, if the debunking is coming from an independent voice where, like, you know, you know I'm not beholden to anybody, you know I'm telling you what I really think, and I'm very detailed in responding to it, then that's eventually how you win on that front.
00:40:36.000You're not going to win just by saying, just totally ban it, because then, you know...
00:40:39.000We had a conversation the other day with a guy in the airport who was totally convinced.
00:40:42.000Sweet guy, very nice, and all of a sudden, out of nowhere, he brings up, you know, I think Trump won.
00:40:48.000And there's no way that Biden guy won.
00:40:50.000And it's like, you know, I don't want to create more people like that.
00:40:54.000I need to be able to respond in real time, bring a convincing case, and then just make people go, okay, at the very least I'll move to agnosticism as opposed to believing an incorrect thing.
00:41:04.000Right, and the QAnon thing, that's why Into the Storm was so important.
00:41:49.000And then you get to see, like, oh, these people got duped, and this is why, and this is, like, what's attractive about it, that these people are on the inside, they understand the secrets, and everybody's being lied to, and they're going to fucking bring back the real government, and...
00:42:03.000This was the other one you were talking about.
00:42:04.000Yeah, this was the newer one with Andrew Callahan.
00:42:17.000Well, it's very good because you get so deep into...
00:42:21.000The motivations behind these people, they're all a bunch of social outcasts and weirdos, and they find this group and it gives them meaning, and then it becomes their whole identity.
00:42:30.000A lot of these people are just looking for something to care about, just looking for purpose, just looking for meaning.
00:42:36.000And they would rather take a wrong answer than they would something that's right, but nobody makes a case for the thing that is right.
00:42:56.000But it's also not the case that it's a demonic, satanic, pedophile cult run in the pizza shop basement with Hillary Clinton doing child sacrifice.
00:43:07.000You can say the Epstein stuff is real, there's a lot of questionable stuff there, but also they're not literally demon-worshipping Evil people in a basement of a pizza shop.
00:44:59.000I was laughing hard at that line because it's so true.
00:45:01.000Yeah, it gives, like, it gives this the feeling of, like, oh, like, our former national daddy figure is here, so, like, it's everything's okay.
00:45:08.000One of the things that people will do to try to get me to come to a thing is they'll tell me, hey, this guy's going to be there.
00:45:29.000Right, that's how they try to get you.
00:45:31.000So if they can talk one person into doing it that's prominent and recognized, and then you're like, oh, well, I will be in good company if I go there.
00:45:49.000Yeah, there was an article, I forget where it was, it may have been Daily Mail, which is a questionable source, but they were talking about how Jeffrey Epstein was meeting with like a former Israeli prime minister.
00:46:03.000So, I mean, he also was meeting with the U.S. president, too, of course, but I think there's some reason to believe that this guy, because yet, if you have dirt on everybody, why do you have dirt on everybody?
00:46:12.000It's just the craziest thing that they murdered that guy in jail.
00:47:10.000Michael Badden, that famous autopsy doctor, the guy who was from the show Autopsy, he said that out of thousands of cases of people hanging themselves, that he's personally investigated, he has never seen anybody with those injuries.
00:47:31.000And that the broken bones in his neck were indicate of a ligature strangulation.
00:47:36.000The area where he was strangled was below, low on the neck, which is not where you get when someone's hanging by their own weight, which is higher on the neck because your body weight is dragging it down.
00:47:47.000He's like, that was someone who got strangled.
00:47:49.000And the security cameras were magically not working.
00:48:44.000Tartaglione tried to help Epstein would have been powerful mitigation in the penalty phase if he was found guilty of any death-eligible charges.
00:48:55.000Footage of the financier and sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein's first suicide attempt should mean that his cellmate, ex-Westchester cop Nicholas Tartaglione...
00:49:05.000That's where I'm from, by the way, Westchester.
00:49:07.000...doesn't face the death penalty in a drug-related quadruple homicide.
00:51:22.000Because people are suffering as it is, right?
00:51:24.000I mean, I'm sure you've seen the Oxfam numbers about income and wealth inequality, that the richest 26 people on the planet hold more wealth than the bottom 50% of the world combined.
00:52:03.000Well, that's why, look, for a lot of US history, we had a progressive tax system where the more you made and the more wealth you had, the more you were taxed on that.
00:52:12.000And so that's an attempt to do redistribution to give people at the bottom a reasonable shot.
00:52:19.000It's saying, okay, Where's the money going?
00:52:22.000The problem is where's the money going and who gets to decide?
00:52:26.000Back in the New Deal days, when we had FDR in power, that money went to jobs programs and went to infrastructure and went to unemployment insurance, went to actually help people.
00:52:34.000What you're concerned about, which I think you're right to be concerned about, is a lot of that money, there was a report that just came out, the Pentagon can account for 59% of the money it's received.
00:52:56.000I'm sure you remember, too, when Biden did probably one of the best things he did, which is pull out of Afghanistan.
00:53:03.000The fucking meltdown from the media, the fucking meltdown from the military-industrial complex, they were attacking him over and over from the perspective of, what are you doing?
00:53:17.000The perspective wasn't the Afghanistan report that had come out a few years ago, which showed that we literally wasted trillions of dollars and our own generals on the ground were like, we don't know what the fuck we're doing here anymore.
00:53:29.000I think the real concern was protecting the Americans that were left behind and protecting the people that worked with the Americans, you know, the people that helped them because they were all murdered.
00:53:40.000Yeah, tens of thousands of them of the, you know, Afghan people who helped us did end up getting left behind.
00:54:28.000You're causing a political headache for yourself.
00:54:30.000And he did because the media hammered him and then his approval rating dropped, even though that was an issue where if you polled people beforehand, like 60, 70, 80% of the country was like, yeah, we need to get out of Afghanistan.
00:54:38.000So it's one thing where he actually stood up to the deep state.
00:54:42.000He stood up to the military industrial complex, and then he got shit on relentlessly for it.
00:55:38.000The drone's innocence to actual people they're trying to target is so nuts.
00:55:44.000There's a guy by the name of Daniel Hale who worked for the government and he was a whistleblower and he showed the numbers under Obama were killing 90% the wrong people.
00:55:55.000And so he released that and you know what happened?
00:56:17.000He's right up there with Julian Assange, Edward Snowden, all these names that a lot of people know where it's like, hey, they're kind of getting a raw deal here.
00:56:22.000This guy Daniel Hale is right up there.
00:56:24.000Do you think that with all the information that's available now and these narratives that do get discussed, like what you're saying, what we're talking about, what you talk about on your show, That more people are informed of that now so it makes it more difficult for them to do that and ultimately that stuff will diminish over time.
00:56:41.000It's just the people with actual power don't give much of a fuck of what I have to say or others like me have to say.
00:56:48.000But they give a fuck about the American people if the American people don't vote them in anymore because they're upset about that.
00:56:53.000Well this is more what we call the deep state.
00:56:55.000So CIA, like the people behind the scenes, the Pentagon, the people who are sort of there from administration to administration and they're not dependent on elections.
00:57:03.000They throw the book at a guy like that, you know?
00:57:05.000Because if you leak something that makes them look good, it's fine that you just leak classified information.
00:57:09.000You leak something that makes them look bad, like Daniel Hale did, and they'll rain holy hell on you.
00:57:13.000It's very disturbing when you find out these egregious missteps of justice, where people get imprisoned for leaking information and discussing information, or the Stephen Dossinger case.
00:58:15.000and other cases which he represented over 30,000 farmers and indigenous people who suffered environmental damage and health problems caused by the oil drilling in the Lago Agrio oil field of Ecuador.
00:58:27.000The Ecuadorian court awarded the plaintiffs $9.5 billion.
00:59:22.000So he was placed under house arrest in 2019 while awaiting trial on charges of criminal contempt of court, which arose during his appeal against Kaplan's Ricoh decision when he refused to turn over electronic devices he owned to Chevron's forensic experts.
00:59:37.000In July 2021, U.S. District Judge Loretta Presco found him guilty and Dozinger was sentenced to six months in jail in October 2021. While Dozinger was under house arrest in 2020, 29 Nobel laureates described the actions taken by Chevron against him as judicial harassment.
00:59:56.000Human rights campaigners called Chevron's actions an example of strategic lawsuit against public participation.
01:00:05.000In April 2021, six members of Congressional Progressive Caucus demanded that the Department of Justice review Dossinger's case.
01:00:12.000In September 2021, the United Nations High Commissioner of Human Rights stated that the pretrial detention imposed on Dossinger was illegal and called for his release.
01:00:23.000Having spent 45 days in prison and a combined total of 993 days under house arrest, Dossinger was released on April 25, 2022. So let me also add, so yes, he spent 993 days under house arrest.
01:00:37.000Now the actual laws they're accusing him of breaking, it would have been like a max, I'm going to butcher this, but it was like a month or something.
01:00:43.000So they kept him under house arrest for 993 days, then he actually went to jail, but even if he had gotten a max sentence, if he had the trial right away, it would have been like a month or something like that.
01:00:50.000And more importantly, what that does is it scares the fuck out of anybody that's thinking about doing something like that in the future.
01:01:13.000I mean, when you have giant corporations and billionaires pay the politicians in campaign contributions, then when those politicians get in there, they're going to represent the corporations and the billionaires and not the will of the people.
01:01:23.000I mean, you could look at any public opinion poll and it will tell you some very clear preferences among Democrats, Republicans, among everybody, and we don't get those things into law.
01:01:30.000The stuff that goes into law is a new...
01:01:53.000It's not because she has people who like her and support her.
01:02:09.000And you're going to have to get the people that are involved in it to agree.
01:02:14.000Yeah, I mean, so there's this thing called clean elections, which is you ban all the private money, everything is funded by the public, and you're allocated a certain amount, and then you really have a debate and a battle of ideas and different policies, and whoever wins, wins.
01:02:26.000The fact of the matter is, we used to have laws that...
01:02:41.000But what happened was the Supreme Court came along in the 1970s, and then in subsequent cases after that as well, Bucky v.
01:02:46.000Vallejo, Citizens United, Bellotti, there were a bunch of cases where they basically said, yeah, we're going to go ahead and claim that bribing politicians is free speech.
01:02:56.000They claimed it's a free speech issue.
01:02:58.000So if a billionaire wants to give $200,000 or whatever to a PAC or a super PAC or a candidate, it's like, hey, that's their right to do that.
01:04:33.000And then now you have interest rates going up, that's affecting everything that's speculative, and they're all going belly up.
01:04:38.000But the idea behind it, people want a decentralized currency that's not controlled by the government.
01:04:43.000And so this is the reason why they created it in the first place, and the idea behind it is that We could put it in this decentralized form where we all agree that this is money and it's not being influenced by anyone else and you can exchange it.
01:04:57.000And with Bitcoin, there's a limited amount of it, right?
01:05:14.000It doesn't act like a stable currency.
01:05:16.000Even if we're super kind and, you know, we try to steel man their position, there are wild swings, and it's hard to treat something that swings that wildly as a stable currency, because it's not.
01:05:26.000It's more of an investment than a stable currency.
01:05:28.000Do you think the wild swings are because it's manipulated, because people that control fiat currency don't want it to ever be stable?
01:05:38.000No, I think people who got in early on crypto, a lot of them probably made a lot of money on crypto.
01:05:43.000And then you have this boom cycle where people get into it, here's the new hot thing, more people invest, and then eventually, you know, the rug gets pulled out from underneath them, and the people who came in originally may have made a lot of money, but everybody who came in later bought too late, and they're gonna lose money on their investment, so.
01:07:16.000This is part of what happened with Kim Kardashian, too.
01:07:18.000But no one knew that those people were being given the NFTs, though.
01:07:22.000Kim Kardashian's a separate thing, I don't think.
01:07:23.000You had to look through, like, who actually bought the NFT. They found like it was another exchange that was trying to manipulate things.
01:07:30.000Yeah, see, with the Kim Kardashian thing that I just referenced, she did a post, I think on Instagram, for Ethereum Max, I think it was called.
01:07:37.000And Ethereum was a more legit cryptocurrency, but Ethereum Max is not.
01:07:41.000And it's not actually related to Ethereum.
01:07:43.000It sounds like it's like the next generation or whatever of Ethereum.
01:07:45.000And so she got paid, I think it was $250,000 to promote this.
01:07:49.000And, long story short, the FEC fined her ass because it was a total scam.
01:07:54.000And somebody just approached her and said, look, we'll pay you 250 grand if you just do this post.
01:08:02.000This one got dismissed, but there are multiple ones, I think.
01:08:06.000Yeah, so the SEC charged her, what, $1.26 million in penalties?
01:08:10.000There's also the newest one, this class-action lawsuit against all the celebrities that endorsed FTX, right?
01:08:19.000Dismissal comes after Kardashian paid over $1 million in October to settle with the SEC over a promotion of Ethereum Max.
01:08:25.000The judge noted that the suit highlights legitimate concerns about celebrities' ability to readily persuade millions of undiscerning followers to buy snake oil.
01:08:41.000Because it's emerging and people are wondering whether or not this is ever going to be legitimate.
01:08:46.000But if you're right, and if these speculators are right, that it's all going to fall apart, that's interesting, too, to see what happens then.
01:08:52.000Look, when I look at NFTs, it seems more clear-cut to me.
01:08:55.000And I've heard your commentary on it and I relate to it because you're just like, nobody's ever been able to explain it to me.
01:09:01.000With crypto, at least I see some theoretical arguments where it's like, yeah, I could kind of see, you know, but then it all depends on the implementation and how it actually plays out.
01:09:07.000So I'm a little more agnostic on the crypto front, but on the NFT front, I'm not at all agnostic.
01:09:22.000If I don't understand, like, if someone says, hey, we have this amazing new protein powder, it's sugar-free, it's really good for you, it's got all these amino acids, and I can look at the data, and I go, okay, I'll take that, and I'll take it and try it, okay, I'll promote that.
01:09:56.000Good on you because that shows you have, like, some ethics in how you deal with all, because I'm sure you get, you know, crazy pitches all the time for all different products, but the fact that you say, I'm only going to really, you know, push the ones that I know I like and I know I use, that's big because there are,
01:10:11.000unfortunately, there are a lot of people who don't do that.
01:10:13.000It's anybody who will cut me a paycheck, I'll take the fucking paycheck and I'll say whatever the fuck, and that's how you lose credibility.
01:10:18.000That's how people don't trust you anymore.
01:10:19.000If you're Hawking something that you don't use and you don't fucking care about, you don't even know about, then why should anybody trust you?
01:10:25.000No, I won't do any ads unless it makes sense.
01:10:29.000Like, is this a legitimate thing that people use, you know, like ZipRecruiter?
01:10:50.000And then you see all these people that have a vested interest in it succeeding, and they're making these exaggerated claims, and like, this seems like fucking bullshit.
01:11:14.000And a lot of YouTubers were pushing this stuff, and podcasters were pushing this stuff, and everybody, you know, you look like a fucking dunce when you get caught like that.
01:12:26.000I mean, like I said, I think there's degrees and the thing I respect the most is if people only do, hey, I use this, I like this.
01:12:33.000Well, we were talking last night, you guys were explaining to me about this Indian guy who's one of the richest men in the world.
01:12:38.000Oh, yeah, so Crystal knows more about that than I do, but apparently he's the fourth richest guy in the world, giant dude, and his whole company that's coming out now is just a total scam.
01:13:16.000So Indian billionaire, how do you say his name?
01:13:19.000Guatam Adani has sought to reassure Investors, after his company pulled a surprise by calling off its share sale.
01:13:30.000On Wednesday, Adani Enterprises said it would return $2.5 billion raised from the sale to investors.
01:13:36.000The decision will not impact our existing operations and future plans, Mr. Adani has said.
01:13:42.000The move caps an eventful week, which began with a U.S. investment firm making fraud claims against Adani Group firms.
01:13:50.000So these fraud claims is what Crystal was explaining last night.
01:13:53.000Yeah, it's like a very reputable group that has exposed scams previously, and they did this whole detailed report explaining how his whole company is fraudulent, and now the market's reacting to that.
01:14:48.000And you just reinvest it into your company in a legitimate way, like you pay the workers more, or you do more research and development, or you expand, and then they don't do that anymore.
01:14:57.000It's all just like, hey, let's pay the shareholders off even more by artificially pumping up the price of our own stock and screw the workers.
01:15:10.000Like how does it all, like, do you envision a real potential time where they get money out of politics and that these kind of things become illegal again and that there's some sort of sanity is achieved?
01:15:31.000I am of the belief that the best we could do, and maybe this is a little bit of a pessimistic viewpoint, but it really is where I'm at, at least at the moment.
01:15:40.000Maybe I'm wrong, but there are countries that have sort of achieved significantly better systems in my estimation.
01:15:46.000Like, I think the Scandinavian region, they're just much better systems overall.
01:16:02.000They don't even have minimum wage laws in these countries because they don't need it because everybody's part of the union.
01:16:05.000They make more than whatever a minimum wage would be.
01:16:07.000And so when I look at those systems, I think like that's That's what I like because, you know, there was a time too in the US with FDR with the New Deal.
01:16:23.000We're going to have a thriving middle class.
01:16:25.000And then with the neoliberal era, all of that was rolled back.
01:16:27.000You have the introduction of money into politics.
01:16:29.000You have basically, we became a giant corporatocracy where billionaires and corporations run the show.
01:16:34.000People never get the things that they actually want.
01:16:36.000So in my opinion, what you need is sort of like a grassroots movement On specific issues to achieve specific wins.
01:16:42.000So, you know, one of my big things is universal healthcare.
01:16:45.000We are literally the only developed country in the world that doesn't have universal healthcare.
01:16:49.000There's a Commonwealth Fund study that comes out every few years, and they find that we rank 11th out of 11 of the countries that they study when it comes to our healthcare system.
01:16:57.000So, like, we know how to do it, and there are experts in the world who can construct much better systems, but we don't do it, again, because of the influence of money in politics.
01:17:05.000The health insurance industry buys the politicians, so they keep scamming.
01:17:08.000I mean, Big Pharma is, like, the biggest scam going.
01:17:11.000Over the past 20 years, you've had a situation where they make...
01:17:24.000So what happens is you have grants go to universities, and they do the research, come up with the new drugs, then big pharma swoops in, buys up the intellectual property rights for those things, and then sells it back to us at a colossal profit.
01:17:37.000So we pay for the research up front, and then they charge us on the back end.
01:17:44.000There's a drug in the UK, a cancer drug coming out of the UK. It costs about $200 in the UK. This is a drug that's existed for decades now.
01:19:51.000No, so what happened is, he did it via executive order, and he did it using COVID justification.
01:19:57.000So when Trump was president, he actually reduced some student loan debt.
01:20:01.000It was for specific categories, like if you were a disabled veteran and stuff like that, they would reduce your student loan debt.
01:20:07.000So Biden used that same justification that Trump did, some COVID justification, like, hey, the economy's rough, people are struggling, we're going to wipe out some of this.
01:20:15.000And what happened was it went through the court system.
01:20:17.000A couple of courts said, this is totally legal.
01:20:20.000And then it just got to a court now that said, no, this is not legal.
01:20:27.000But under the 1965 Higher Education Act, he actually does have the right, the education secretary has the right to wipe the debt slate clean because the federal government owns about 90% of student debt.
01:20:38.000So they already have the authority, but I don't think Biden used the most straightforward interpretation of the law in order to do it.
01:20:45.000They very well may strike it down, but he could just turn around and say, okay, I'm going to do the exact same thing using the 1965 Higher Education Act, where I do have the authority to do it.
01:21:11.000So, he ran on him to get us back in the Iran deal.
01:21:14.000Because Iran, they were, you know, Obama made a deal with the Iranian government.
01:21:18.000Hey, we sanctioned you, we're holding your money, we'll give you back your own money if you promise you're not going to create a nuclear weapon and we'll allow the IAEA, the International Atomic Energy Agency, to go in there and regulate and make sure you're not Building a nuclear weapon.
01:21:33.000The UN comes out and says, every time we go and follow up, they're following the deal to a T. Trump comes in, pulls us out of it, which is a huge problem.
01:21:42.000Biden runs on, I'm going to get us right back in it, because it was working before.
01:21:45.000Now he's president, and he didn't get back in it.
01:21:47.000And so now we're talking about, you know, regime change is on the table again with Iran.
01:22:02.000I gave him credit earlier for pulling the troops out of Afghanistan, but the thing that he's doing now is horrendous because he is sanctioning Afghanistan and keeping billions of dollars of their money from their central bank.
01:22:12.000We've just stole it and we're holding it.
01:22:15.000And, of course, the reason he's doing that is because he doesn't want the Republicans to hit him and say, if he releases that money, then they're going to say, oh, Biden's funding the Taliban.
01:22:23.000And so he doesn't do it but as a result of this you have like women and children and civilians are starving.
01:22:28.000I mean the country is like in famine right now as a result of this.
01:22:31.000Is there any evidence that if they release that money that would change?
01:22:34.000That those people wouldn't be starving?
01:22:35.000Well if you if you yes if the country had more money you would have less food insecurity you'd have people who can eat but it is true that of course the Taliban is the government there so they would get some of that money.
01:22:45.000How much they would it would be up to their discretion.
01:22:48.000I mean, I'm not sure exactly how it would work with the central bank versus the government and exactly where all the money would go, but it seems to be the general consensus that, you know, by not releasing that money, you are sort of sentencing people to starve.
01:23:08.000He said, oh, we're not going to give them offensive weapons anymore, but we're still giving them billions of dollars in weapons, and they're using it on civilians in Yemen.
01:23:19.000So that was it see this is unfortunately this is what happens a lot of the time with Democrats is like He looks at Trump who just openly supported Saudi Arabia butchering Yemen and was like oh that's not right We're better people than that so we're no no longer gonna sell them offensive weapons But then he just keeps doing the exact same policy and Pretending like no no we're not using this for them to bomb children and mosques and schools and hospitals But that is exactly what they're using it for so it really is just a sleight of hand trick It's the same policy what what categorizes something as an offensive weapon I mean,
01:24:11.000The border and, you know, trying to build a border wall and a policy called Remain in Mexico and a policy called Title 42, which is the pandemic policy where if somebody comes in to the country illegally, there's no due process.
01:24:22.000We just ship you right out because we're like, look, to pandemic, you don't get due process.
01:24:27.000Biden actually continued Title 42. He continued Remain in Mexico, and he's filling in some of the gaps in Trump's border wall.
01:24:33.000So he's doing basically a very similar policy when it comes to the border as Trump did.
01:24:37.000So that's another thing that he gets he gets a lot of crap for.
01:24:41.000He picked somebody who's like an anti-social security extremist to oversee the program.
01:24:45.000That's a problem because they might try to cut it, they might try to privatize it.
01:24:48.000I mean, to be fair to him, he's actually standing kind of strong on it now because there's this debt ceiling negotiation that's going to come up soon.
01:24:54.000And Biden is saying, we're not going to cut a penny from social security, but questionable staffing choices that he made, which...
01:25:00.000Many people think he might actually negotiate and do some cuts to Social Security.
01:25:44.000So, throughout my life, we've been offshoring jobs, which is like our manufacturing jobs, our factory jobs get shipped overseas to China, India, Bangladesh, places like that.
01:25:54.000And for the first time in my life, it's going the reverse way.
01:25:56.000There's a lot of jobs coming back here.
01:27:30.000So that was one of the good things he did.
01:27:31.000He also lowered drug prices for seniors in the Inflation Reduction Act.
01:27:35.000Now, that's got an interesting backstory to it, man, because Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema are the two corrupt Democratic senators, the most corrupt Democratic senators.
01:27:43.000They take the most big money from Pharma, from Wall Street.
01:27:46.000I mean, they're swimming in donor cash.
01:27:48.000And we were this close to getting lower prescription drug prices for everybody.
01:27:54.000But, Kyrsten Sinema took a million dollars from Pharma at the last minute, and she said, I'm not in favor of lowering everybody's drug prices.
01:28:01.000Let's only do certain drugs, and let's only do it for seniors.
01:28:04.000And so that's the policy we ended up getting in the Inflation Reduction Act.
01:28:07.000And when you say she took a million dollars, it's a million dollars in donations to her campaign?
01:28:35.000But she would come in third, no matter what.
01:28:38.000So what gives someone the incentive to become independent?
01:28:42.000I mean, my theory on this, and I don't know for sure, I don't think anybody really knows for sure, my theory on this is John McCain was viewed as like a maverick Republican.
01:28:50.000He was a Republican who sometimes would buck Republican orthodoxy and vote with the Democrats, right?
01:28:54.000Like he voted to keep Obamacare when if he went the other way, Obamacare would have been gone under Trump.
01:29:16.000She was trying to be a conservative Democrat.
01:29:18.000But ultimately, look, it's all about...
01:29:21.000When I look at Kyrsten Sinema, it's all about the money, right?
01:29:23.000Like, she's going to sell out to whoever the highest bidder is, and Pharma gave her all that money, and so she sold out to them, and she cloaks it in like, I'm being principled, but it's not about that.
01:29:31.000It says, Kristen Sinema formally enrolls in the party of Wall Street and Big Pharma.
01:29:35.000The senator's switch to independent aligns her more completely with the special interests that she has so diligently represented since coming to the chamber.
01:30:17.000Well, he announced the process where they're gonna, you know, do some sort of, I don't know, some investigation into it, and then at the end you're gonna have one of the heads of the agencies come out and give his conclusion, but it's pretty well established.
01:30:27.000It's either gonna be off the schedule list or it's gonna be reduced.
01:30:29.000It's the most preposterous thing we have going.
01:31:27.000As long as you can drink alcohol and take prescription medication that can kill you, like, why are we telling people what they can and can't do with their body?
01:31:37.000Things like marijuana, for example, or psilocybin, which has tremendous therapeutic benefits to people with PTSD, soldiers, people that are dying, that, you know, like, end-of-life anxiety and...
01:31:58.000I think even one year was maybe 110,000.
01:32:00.000And what's interesting about that is the only reason that's happening is because we did that crackdown on the pain pills because about 30,000 people were dying every year from the pain pills.
01:32:09.000And so they said, oh my God, this is a crisis.
01:32:11.000So they cracked down on those pain pills.
01:32:13.000Doctors are less able to prescribe that.
01:32:16.000And then those people who were on the pills decided, now I got to go to the black market and get heroin.
01:32:21.000And some of that heroin is laced with fentanyl, and that's what's leading to people dying.
01:32:24.000So you take this thing where people mean well, it's like they want, oh, I want to help the addicts, we got to get them off this stuff, let's ban it, let's crack down.
01:32:30.000But the unintended consequence of that was, now fentanyl is the killer, and it's an even worse killer.
01:32:35.000And so, generally what happens is, when you do, when you legalize, tax, and regulate, or at the very least decriminalize, it's just healthier for everybody all around.
01:32:42.000You know, you can have better standards, better guidelines, I mean, we've talked about this before, but during Prohibition, you had people dying from a bad batch of alcohol.
01:33:13.000I saw your podcast with Peter Zihon where he was talking about how actually if you look at El Chapo he had consolidated power and he was the leader and then we did this what's called the decapitation strategy you take out the leader and then the thought is oh maybe the rest of the organization will crumble but what happened is you took out the leader and then you had people warring in the streets to determine who the next leader was going to be.
01:34:37.000Well, you crack down on what you think is their lifestyle.
01:34:39.000So you criminalize the psychedelic drugs, you criminalize the marijuana, the crack cocaine, and that's how we solved our political problem, is we locked these people up basically.
01:35:42.000We're saying legalize tax and regulate drugs so you create kind of like a safe alternative that still gives a semblance of that particular high, whether it's an upper or a downer or a hallucinogenic or whatever.
01:35:51.000And then you have a more safer situation.
01:35:53.000I mean, look, there's evidence that these safe injection sites, right?
01:35:55.000People look at that and they go, oh my god, you're incentivizing people to go take fucking heroin.
01:36:00.000The reality is when you have safe injection sites, you have experts there.
01:36:03.000So nobody's gonna, you're not gonna pass herpes around or pass diseases around.
01:36:06.000Nobody's gonna overdose because they took a bad batch.
01:36:08.000You just have professionals there who say, hey, we can save you if something bad happens.
01:36:11.000And they can test the drugs to make sure they're not fucking tainted.
01:36:14.000So really all those things do is make it safer for people.
01:36:17.000But just the optics of that are like, ugh.
01:36:19.000It seems like you're incentivizing going to take heroin.
01:36:22.000And the places that have done that, like Oregon, are a fucking holy mess.
01:36:27.000That's also part of the problem with decriminalization.
01:36:29.000My understanding was that, so they did it in New York City, I don't know if they're still doing it, but like on the first day they saved like a dozen people's lives.
01:36:34.000You know, and then I think in Portugal they've experimented with stuff like this and they've had some positive results.
01:36:39.000So, I mean, it's tricky, but, you know.
01:36:41.000Yeah, Portugal's done a great job of decriminalizing things.
01:36:43.000I'm on the side of leaning as much as you can towards freedom, but being intelligent with the regulations.
01:37:33.000And look, the fact of the matter is I think most people We're good to go.
01:38:01.000But then there's also drugs that could help people get off of these things, like Ibogaine.
01:38:06.000That's absolutely illegal, but people have had great benefits in going to Mexico and going to these Ibogaine retreats, and then they come back and they have no problems with any of these drugs.
01:38:42.000Onearic properties that has multiple aforementioned anti-addictive mechanisms, as well as the ability to generate therapeutic psychological insights, suggesting promise in treating alcohol use disorders.
01:38:55.000So the people that I know that have gone over there, my friend Ed Clay went over there because he had a problem with pills.
01:39:01.000I think that What it does to people is it lets them recognize what are the patterns that's
01:39:31.000falling them into this addiction cycle and what is wrong with them.
01:39:36.000What trauma have they experienced when they were younger that's causing them to try to escape?
01:39:49.000And like you mentioned before, we've seen this.
01:39:51.000There's a whole bunch of studies coming out now with MDMA, with psilocybin, and treating people who have severe PTSD, depression, anxiety, end-of-life concerns.
01:40:03.000You know, you get diagnosed with a terminal illness, and you feel like you don't even have the fucking will to live, and then you take a trip on the right substance, and all of a sudden you feel...
01:41:11.000You know, when you're in college and you're going to class and you're fucking off, you know, you don't really have much direction overall, so you probably feel like a nice little kick in the butt with an upper drug is nice.
01:41:23.000But, you know, as you get more established and, you know, more of a workaholic than anything else, it just feels unnecessary.
01:41:30.000You know, I could still do my work and do it well without being, like, basically high on legal cocaine.
01:41:35.000I'm just amazed at how many people are on it.
01:42:32.000After the beverage was banned in several states, a product reintroduction in December 2010 removed caffeine, taurine, and guarana as ingredients, and the malt beverage is no longer marketed as an energy drink.
01:44:12.000While the drinks populated in the U.S. waned after a series of hospitalizations and other incidents, it's now being offered on China's giant online shopping portals, Alibaba and JD.com, where it's sometimes being advertised as blackout in a can.
01:44:25.000Can you order it on Alibaba and get it shipped to America?
01:45:26.000Because Trump, and this is Trump, so it could be wrong, but he always says in his speech, like, I asked Xi Jinping, do you have a drug problem here?
01:47:28.000There's already a bunch of other assholes who nobody cares about who are jumping in the race who are going to get 2%, 3%, and that all comes out of DeSantis' numbers and not Trump's numbers.
01:47:37.000So if you have a race with 10 different Republicans, nine of them are not Donald Trump.
01:47:41.000Nine of them are splitting the non-Donald Trump vote, and there's one Trump who can win with 29% of the vote or something like that.
01:49:44.000Like, all the election deniers, all the ones who really cuddled up to Trump, those are the ones who lost.
01:49:49.000The more, like, old-school Republicans, like Kemp in Georgia, and he's a guy who said to Trump, remember Trump said, find me 11,000 votes after 2020?
01:51:35.000Because, like, every time they create an alternative platform, it always winds up being a lot of the people that got kicked out of these other platforms for being shitheads, and they overwhelm these things when they say, oh, we're not going to have content moderation.
01:51:45.000And then these people just spam things, and it becomes QAnon and chaos.
01:51:50.000Gab became, like, literal Nazi central, right?
01:51:54.000The guy who runs it was, like, openly kind of anti-Semitic and wild.
01:51:58.000So that is what happens, unfortunately.
01:51:59.000You know, they say, hey, we want a free speech alternative, but then it's just the band people go there, and they don't even have the liberals there that they want to dunk on all the time, so it just becomes, like, crazy.
01:52:07.000You know, and by the way, I don't even trust a lot of the numbers coming out of these alternative platforms.
01:52:11.000Like, a lot of it'll say, like, you know, what, X number of re-truths or whatever, or X number of video views.
01:54:42.000Donald Trump says, I'm killing everybody in the polls, but Fox News is always able to find an outlier, usually old and non-credible, that makes me look as bad as possible.
01:54:52.000They work with the club for no growth, and losers like Karl Rove and their board member Paul Ryan.
01:54:59.000Globalists all, in any event, we are winning.
01:55:01.000Big MAGA! She doesn't like Fox News now?
01:56:05.000You had whole news channels that went belly up because they bet on Facebook over YouTube, and Facebook just lied about the numbers, and when the advertisers figured that out, they pulled all the fucking money.
01:56:15.000And so you had these people who were like big YouTubers or had their own news sites and then they went to Facebook and then they ended up losing everything.
01:57:27.000To be honest, I'm not even sure how I would check that.
01:57:29.000I'm trying to think about it right now.
01:57:31.000I'm Googling some stuff, but I'm not sure how you would find a database of that because you kind of just have to check the podcast, I think.
01:57:37.000So you were on iTunes or Apple Podcasts.
01:57:40.000So that's actually the only platform, podcast platform I'm not on.
01:57:45.000Yeah, somebody had taken my name before me.
01:57:48.000Like, I used to do my show on this little nothing site called Blog Talk Radio, and people would take it from that and then put it on Apple.
01:57:54.000And that account is still there, so I don't have my name on that platform.
01:57:57.000So all the other podcast outlets, I'm there.
01:58:57.000Way bigger on YouTube than I am on Spotify.
01:59:00.000Well, you've been on there for so long.
01:59:01.000Been on there for a very, very long time, yeah.
01:59:04.000Yeah, the idea of an alternative social media platform is so interesting because it would seem that both with a video platform, like, you know, a new YouTube, that there would be an opening for someone to sort of recreate the success of YouTube.
01:59:19.000And then for something like Twitter, there should be an opening for someone to recreate the success.
01:59:24.000Getting people to commit to posting on a new thing is very hard.
01:59:29.000And in my experience, anything that tries to do like just a copycat of something else, it never really works.
01:59:34.000You need to bring something kind of new.
01:59:36.000Like TikTok, for example, we were talking about that earlier.
02:00:05.000Companies are talking about TikTok being so invasive.
02:00:09.000But I also read an article by a software engineer that back-engineered the TikTok's program.
02:00:14.000And they said, no, this is the most invasive software we've ever looked at in terms of what it does to your computer, how it checks everything you're doing, monitors your keystrokes, listens to your recordings.
02:00:28.000Yeah, I think they're both right, honestly.
02:00:30.000I think they both make a very good case.
02:00:31.000The TikTok one's been interesting to me because, like, I see all the arguments that people make, the ones who are like, hey, we gotta ban this thing.
02:00:39.000The Chinese government's probably data-farming everybody and they have everybody's information.
02:00:42.000But I also just find it kind of weird that there's, like, a specific focus on them because...
02:00:47.000They spy on everything we do on every platform.
02:00:49.000I mean, we had the Patriot Act, which goes all the way back to the War on Terror days, where they're illegally collecting all of our metadata.
02:00:55.000I mean, you had Edward Snowden on the show.
02:00:56.000He could explain this stuff way better than I could explain this stuff.
02:00:58.000So yeah, you have YouTube, Google, I guess, is the parent company.
02:01:03.000So you have Google, you have Twitter, you have all these...
02:04:08.000Okay, so it's basically very similar to Signal, which I use.
02:04:13.000Yeah, well, that's one of the things, Twitter DMs, that's one of the things, you should talk to Elon about that, because it's totally, they can see all of that shit.
02:04:25.000Well, not only that, there was a link that I tried to send someone on Twitter DM back during the censorship-heavy days of COVID. I could not send the link.
02:04:35.000They did that with the Hunter Biden article.
02:05:42.000Like, they've done some good work, right?
02:05:43.000But at the same time, they also went after Martin Luther King Jr. They sent him a letter that was like, hey man, we know what you're doing.
02:07:55.000They give you everything that led up to it, why they did it, what the people were saying to each other behind the scenes, what the motivations were.
02:08:00.000They do it with our war on Cuba, like Bay of Pigs and how we were trying to get rid of Fidel Castro.
02:08:08.000And basically, I mean, the CIA... Their whole job was like paramilitary for the US government, trying to topple, in this case, Cuba, to put back in a puppet dictator.
02:08:19.000Because the guy who came before Fidel Castro was Batista, and he was a vicious dictator.
02:08:25.000And basically, Cuba was like a gangster mafia state.
02:08:28.000You had, like, famous gangsters had a stake in the casinos over there.
02:08:32.000It was like the playground of the U.S., basically.
02:08:34.000And so people there were terribly exploited.
02:10:14.000And now we keep going to them in response to the oil markets because with the war in Ukraine, there's a lot of issues with the oil market where it's not doing well.
02:10:22.000And so when we had really high gas prices, Biden went to MBS and was like, you got to help me out here.
02:10:27.000You got to release more barrels of oil per day.
02:10:33.000And then it was right after that, you saw these articles about how Biden was talking to, or, you know, top U.S. officials were talking to Maduro in Venezuela, trying to get, slowly ease back into some sort of a business relationship with them.
02:10:44.000But it wasn't that long ago, it was just a few years ago, they were trying to overthrow this fucker.
02:10:49.000Remember, they pretended like the guy Juan Guaido, totally unelected, did not win an election, and we were just pretending, Trump was pretending, like, yeah, that's the president now.
02:11:03.000I'm very ignorant about Venezuela, unfortunately.
02:11:05.000I don't really know exactly what's going on over there.
02:11:07.000Yeah, well, they were so reliant on oil.
02:11:10.000Remember Hugo Chavez was the leader there?
02:11:12.000They were doing okay with their oil, but when we sanctioned them, then they had nothing.
02:11:19.000It became a super poor state, massively high inflation almost overnight because we cracked down on them.
02:11:24.000And so now with Maduro, it's a similar situation, but it looks like maybe relations will change if the situation with Saudi Arabia doesn't work itself out because we'd want to do more oil deals with them.
02:11:36.000And then all of a sudden you'll start seeing articles about like, maybe we had this guy wrong.
02:11:40.000Maybe he wasn't such a human rights abuser.
02:11:42.000How do you keep track of all this shit?
02:11:48.000Yeah, no, I'm sure, but I mean, it must be still overwhelming, just the sheer amount of information that you have to fucking pay attention to.
02:11:54.000I mean, I feel like it's actually very similar to you.
02:11:57.000When you're interested in something, you go down a rabbit hole and you'll read everything about it, and then you know a lot about the topics that you read about.
02:12:04.000It was directly involved in politics that I'm interested in.
02:12:07.000You know, and so I'm reading about foreign policy, I'm reading about domestic policy, I'm reading about economics, and, you know, you just...
02:12:12.000Sometimes I'm good and I can remember the facts, other times I need to sort of jot them down when I'm doing my show and hit the points that I know I need to hit, you know what I mean?
02:12:20.000Do you enjoy this as it is, or do you ever plan on going into politics?
02:12:27.000Oh, no, I don't want to go into politics, no.
02:12:49.000I don't even know if somebody like me, because I would come out and say, I'm not taking billionaire money, I'm not taking corporate money, I'm going to raise it all through small dollar donations, and I'm still probably going to only come up with one-tenth the amount of money I would need to even be competitive.
02:13:00.000And then when you add the media into the game too, and their effect, then you're done.
02:13:04.000Because they'll dig up every little thing I've ever said in my life, go through my old tweets, and go through my old YouTube.
02:13:09.000They'll find things, take them out of context, post them, and that's it.
02:14:11.000He gets out there and he starts doing interviews.
02:14:13.000He starts calling these people out by name like, this motherfucker voted against it and this asshole voted against it and I brought these guys here who are struggling to fucking breathe and they're going to tell you what their situation is.
02:14:22.000And that was an instance of there was so much shame brought about by Jon Stewart going on the crusade that the media actually got whipped into shape and were like, oh shit, we gotta talk about this.
02:14:31.000So Fox News, MSNBC, CNN, they all talked about it.
02:14:34.000And that actually led to change because then they had another vote and it passed.
02:14:37.000And so when I look at that, I think like, yes, I see my role similar to that.
02:14:42.000I'm nowhere near as big as Jon Stewart is, right?
02:14:45.000But that's one of those things where when the story first came out, Nobody's fucking talking about it.
02:14:50.000They just voted down a bill to give healthcare to toxic burn victims who are U.S. veterans.
02:15:10.000And so I view my job as like, let me tell people the things that I think are actually interesting, that I think they should know, that should be the news of the day, the big story of the day.
02:15:21.000The difference between someone being outraged at a legitimate, important thing versus what's going to get clicks, that's part of the problem, right?
02:15:30.000Because what they're looking for in the media is the things that are going to get the most attention.
02:15:34.000Yeah, I agree, but I also think they're short-sighted.
02:15:37.000Like, I think they sell people short in terms of what is interesting.
02:15:42.000Because if you tell people all the information, the real world is crazy enough.
02:15:46.000The actual things that are going on are crazy enough where they are kind of, like, shocking and interesting.
02:15:51.000But yes, it's easier to get the cheap headlines with cheap topics, and that's what they do.
02:16:01.000Because they're the beneficiaries of the system.
02:16:02.000There's so many different things to think about, which is part of the problem.
02:16:07.000If someone has a job, and during that job they're required to use all the resources to benefit the company and they're working on things all day, and then when they're off work, then they're supposed to be paying attention to Venezuela and Jeffrey Epstein and the Twitter files and the this and the that.
02:16:27.000And then they're getting their news, many people, from one-hour mainstream news broadcast where they do a cursory examination of a few very specific topics.
02:17:54.000And that had, it was an amazing impact.
02:17:57.000I mean, you had, there were studies coming out showing that like depression and anxiety were reduced as a direct result of those people who got those payments.
02:18:03.000And this is something that nobody talks about.
02:18:05.000It wasn't a big deal, you know, in the media.
02:18:18.000There was a study that came out of Stockton, California.
02:18:21.000There's the mayor in Stockton, California is a guy by the name of Michael Tubbs.
02:18:25.000And he decided to do this UBI pilot program, which is like, okay, I'm going to try to get 500 bucks a month to a group of people and just see what happens.
02:19:34.000Employment went up, productivity went up, people self-reported better well-being, lower stress, kept people out of debt.
02:19:41.000Imagine if they scaled that nationwide, what the implications would be, and where would the money come from?
02:19:46.000That's one of the things that I found fascinating about Bernie's ideas, is that Bernie wanted to take a very small percentage of stock trades, You know, these things where they're speculating.
02:19:58.000And it was like less than a cent for each one of them.
02:20:01.000And then that would generate an enormous amount of money because of the amount of stock trades.
02:20:06.000And his argument was it wasn't going to hurt business, but it was going to greatly benefit people.
02:20:12.000Yeah, I mean, we have tremendous body of evidence that redistribution works really well.
02:21:00.000It's a working class person pays a higher tax rate than a billionaire does, as a percentage.
02:21:05.000If they did this universal basic income thing, like, say if they kept that number, $500 a month, and they do it across the country, like, what income bracket would receive this?
02:21:39.000Yeah, I mean, a lot of people got sour on the idea of universal basic income when they saw how people didn't want to work when they got COVID relief.
02:21:52.000I mean, because look at the unemployment rate right now, right?
02:21:55.000It's like, what, 3.5% or something like that?
02:21:57.000It's like the unemployment rate was relatively stable in this area, but there were all these media articles about like, oh, nobody wants to work because they got one check for $1,400.
02:22:06.000I think there's also a thing that happened to people where their employment was taken away, and then they had to reassess their values and what they wanted to do with their life.
02:22:13.000I think that had a significant impact.
02:22:15.000Because there was a lot of people that were like deep in the grind and thought they were going to be rewarded for it, and then all of a sudden, boom, everything's taken away from them.
02:22:22.000And then like, what the fuck am I doing?
02:23:11.000The difference between the overall happiness of being able to do what you enjoy versus doing something that you have to do, it's immeasurable.
02:23:20.000The impact that it has on your psyche, the way you think about life, the way you think about the weekend, the way you think about Monday morning...
02:23:27.000It's just a totally different way of existence.
02:23:30.000And also, it's not like these people that are in that 18% that enjoy their job, like, they suffer more.
02:23:38.000They're more, generally speaking, they're happier, they live better, they have a better possibility for the future, they're enthusiastic about it, whereas the vast majority of those people, That are doing something they don't want to do, they're barely even getting ahead.
02:24:06.000You know, Crystal did a good thing recently.
02:24:08.000There was some study that came out which showed the happiest people, what profession they're in, and the most depressed people, the happiest were farmers.
02:24:29.000Yeah, but the theory was like the people who, and I'm forgetting the others that were at the top, but the theory was that like people who are more working with their hands, they're outside, they're actually doing something of value, that those are the people who are happier.
02:25:33.000Well, you know, I knew a guy who got like severe cancer and he was one of many people in his neighborhood because of runoff from a golf course.
02:25:42.000Because golf courses use so many pesticides and herbicides and that this was getting into the water supply.
02:26:17.000He had an allergic reaction, though, I believe, to the pesticide or fungicide.
02:26:21.000He died 10 days later after a toxic substance had burned the skin from 80% of his body and caused major organs to fail.
02:26:29.000The toxic substance was determined to be an FDA-approved fungicide that had been sprayed on the Army-Navy golf course twice a week.
02:26:40.000Pryor apparently had a hypersensitivity to the chemical used in the fungicide causing a severe allergic reaction.
02:26:49.000That's one, but what I'm hearing about is mouth cancers.
02:26:53.000Yeah, from the T. Yeah, so you're imagining they're spraying all these golf courses to keep them pristine and rolling nice, and then you put it in your mouth because your hands are free.
02:27:04.000I mean, how many things are like that that we don't even think about now, we don't even know about?
02:27:15.000And there's just a lot of places that are just like, we're just going to not care.
02:27:19.000Well, not only that, have you seen the numbers when they look at people's urine and blood and they test how many people test positive for Roundup?
02:28:11.000Well, that's the byproduct of monocrop agriculture, which is also something that people need to understand how dangerous this is to the topsoil, how dangerous it is to environment, the runoff that gets into streams and rivers.
02:28:24.000And, you know, we had Will Harris from White Oak Pastures on who explained that in depth about how he came to an understanding of the dangers of this stuff.
02:28:33.000converted his industrialized farm to a regenerative farm and it took 20 years to do it.
02:29:28.000Well, the idea that he is this altruistic person that's only doing these things because he's a philanthropist, that doesn't bide with the profits that he makes from these ventures.
02:29:40.000There's incentives that are other than philanthropy.
02:29:43.000Yeah, he had a phenomenal PR campaign for years, which portrayed him as like, he's the good billionaire, bro.
02:29:54.000Like, that PR campaign, when you find out how much money he donated to these major news organizations, those donations were sizable in the hundreds of millions of dollars, which is really wild.
02:30:05.000And this happened with Sam Bankman-Fried, as well.
02:30:07.000There were a bunch of puff pieces written about Sam Bankman-Fried, and come to find out, he donated a lot of money to all these different sites.
02:30:13.000And that's the sort of conflict of interest shit, to come full circle back to what we were talking about before, that's the sort of conflict of interest shit that you're never going to get good, unbiased, fair, objective reporting from an outlet that's funded by...
02:30:25.000I mean, you see a Sunday show, they'll have a commercial for Lockheed Martin or something, and you're like...
02:30:31.000I mean, I remember I was reading a Politico article one time, and it said at the top, I think it was either funded by, or like, from Lockheed Martin or from Raytheon, and the article was about how, like, we needed to go to war with, I don't know if it was Syria or one of the other countries over there.
02:30:43.000It was like, yeah, we gotta go to war.
02:31:19.000But I mean, the other way is small dollar donors.
02:31:21.000But again, it's almost like I got kind of lucky and people who started when I started doing what I do, we got kind of lucky because it was more of a meritocratic algorithm in YouTube where, like, we got a little bit of popularity, we got enough of a following so that when they did, you know, crack down, we're still, you know, not as affected as we could be.
02:31:38.000I mean, there are some great YouTubers.
02:32:20.000Videos and by giving them a larger percentage of the ad revenue and by not hindering them with this sort of complicated algorithm that only favors establishment positions.
02:32:31.000I mean, it'll be interesting to see where that goes and how far he'll get, but like, you know, he said originally like he was against shadow banning and then at some point he said freedom of speech is not freedom of reach and we're gonna like not spread far and wide the stuff that he deems hateful.
02:32:45.000But then the question is like, what is hateful?
02:33:01.000My whole answer has always been regulate YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, all these big social media companies like their public utilities and expand First Amendment protections.
02:33:11.000So then you actually have law backing up.
02:33:13.000That doesn't mean people could go on there and do direct threats of violence, because direct threats of violence are illegal, right?
02:33:18.000There's still going to be some things where you can't do that.
02:33:20.000But outside of that, Yeah, I'd like to see it.
02:33:24.000When it comes to YouTube, I'd love for them to go back to more of a meritocracy of the algorithm where, if you do good, it spreads far and wide.
02:33:30.000And like I said, you may have some instances where a conspiracy video pops off, and that's gonna suck.
02:33:36.000But at the same time, it's gonna be messy, but that messiness is way better than having some overlords determine, based on their own biases and their own feelings, what they think should spread and what they think shouldn't spread.
02:33:45.000Especially when you know there's clear evidence it's manipulated by money.
02:34:14.000And so I think it's sort of like a cheap shortcut to be like, oh, just sort of jerry-rig the algorithm a little bit, and let's get rid of that.
02:34:22.000People who actually care about this stuff, who care about the facts and the information, you need to be able to spread it to new people and debunk things that are incorrect.
02:34:32.000Because a lot of people, if you go down a conspiracy rabbit hole and you really believe it, you know all these little data points and things you could pull out and say, well, what about this?
02:34:45.000But you got to engage in that because that's the only way you're going to change people.
02:34:48.000One of my favorite things when I go to these like the Politicon events like they used to have, people would come up to me and tell me like, I want to thank you because you took me out of going down a very bad path.
02:34:57.000And that always felt so rewarding to me.
02:35:00.000Because, you know, I treat people like they're people.
02:35:03.000And somebody might be going down a bad path and going towards down that pipeline where they like some alt-right troll or whatever, and then it's like, you know what, I watched you, I thought you were fair in how you debunked it, and you won me over.
02:35:16.000There's also people that feel alienated, right?
02:35:18.000And then there's a group that sort of accepts them, and so then they become captured by their audience, or captured by the group that they're a part of, and then they say things and lean towards things that this group accepts.
02:35:37.000You know, and it's like, if you treat people like people, and you meet them where they are, and you say, one of the biggest things is going, hey, you know what, I think on that one you have a point.
02:35:54.000It's funny, I've always had a love-hate relationship with libertarians, because I love them, they love me on certain issues.
02:36:01.000When it comes to civil liberties, when it comes to war, I love this Kyle guy, man, he's right about everything.
02:36:05.000But then when we get to economics, they totally disagree with me, and they're hardcore, ardent capitalists, and I'm over here advocating for social democracy.
02:36:13.000Yeah, but it's fair and it's good and it's fun because we'll agree where we agree, we disagree where we disagree, and let's see what happens.
02:36:21.000And so as long as you keep that dialogue going, I guess the only caveat here is when you're dealing with a quote-unquote bad actor.
02:36:47.000That's my dilemma about conspiracy theories and nonsense, is that I do know that some people get sucked into the QAnon stuff and all the wacky shit, but I don't.
02:37:01.000Like, if I don't get sucked into Flat Earth, and I think it's funny if I watch a video, who are we protecting?
02:37:08.000And why are we protecting them in that manner where we're suppressing something that doesn't affect people Who are discerning and intelligent.
02:37:15.000Like we're infantizing, infantilizing people in a certain way.
02:37:20.000We're protecting them because you're not smart enough to recognize that this is nonsense.
02:37:23.000Or you're not diligent enough to look at the possibility that it's nonsense and look at the alternative perspectives and the arguments against it.
02:37:31.000Yeah, and look, I mean, some percentage of the population, yes, they're gonna end up wherever they're gonna end up, and they're gonna go down some bad rabbit holes, but again, that's the price of freedom.
02:37:39.000The question is, how do we limit that as much as possible in an honest and open way?
02:38:12.000If you want to fuck with these people and rile them up and get them to lose their faith in democracy and faith in the system and faith in...
02:39:33.000One of the biggest investors in Twitter was a Saudi Arabian.
02:39:35.000I don't know if it still is, but one of the biggest investors was a Saudi Arabian government official, and there was a huge bot problem with pro-Saudi bots.
02:39:44.000The bot thing is so strange because that was one of the main contentions when Elon was buying it.
02:39:50.000When they were saying we have 5% bots.
02:39:53.000And he was like, how did you determine that?
02:39:54.000And I think they determined that by like 100 different pages.
02:39:58.000And they went to 100 people's Twitter pages and they determined that 5% of them.
02:40:02.000Oh, like small sample size type stuff?
02:40:49.000There's still, you know, there's millions and millions of people that are on Twitter.
02:40:52.000So out of those millions and millions of people, 20% of them are legitimately human beings.
02:40:56.000But I mean, if you were a government, or you were a corporation, or you were someone that had a vested financial interest in pushing a narrative, it kind of makes sense.
02:41:21.000Dan Woods, head of intelligence at cybersecurity company F5, who spent more than 20 years with the U.S. federal law enforcement and intelligence organizations, told The Australian that more than 80% of Twitter accounts are probably bots,
02:42:41.000I mean, there's a lot of that on the left, where people will be like, I'm leftier than thou, and I'm more pure than thou, and I'm the only uncorrupted one in the conversation.
02:42:49.000And it's like, what are we even doing here?
02:42:58.000There's so much that's involved in that.
02:43:02.000It's human emotions and incentives and why they do things and what do they really mean by what they're saying and how many people are just objective and they have a healthy understanding of their own biases.
02:44:58.000He's, like, immersed in these arguments.
02:45:00.000And so we were just joking about all night that he's going to be up till 4 o'clock in the morning reading comments about Android and iPhone.
02:45:07.000It's weird because I like the freedom of being able to go on Twitter and these social media outlets and do whatever I want, but at the same time, I know...
02:45:25.000But like, so the psychological effects of these online fights, it's gotta be super negative, but like, I don't want to ban the social media platforms, but I do know that we'd all be much happier if we didn't have them, but I believe in the freedom to go on them and use them, but it's like, this is, we're all, fuck.
02:45:41.000I mean, I feel like that says a lot about The way the system works today, right?
02:45:44.000We all know certain things are terrible for us, but it's like, well, I do it.
02:45:49.000How many people feel good after online arguments?
02:46:57.000Yeah, like, it could be real, but it's not.
02:47:00.000I feel like there's a guy, Nick Adams, I want to say his name is, Australian guy, he plays the role of, like, the super MAGA dude, and I'm super convinced it's a troll.
02:47:09.000I'm 100% convinced, but it's right on that line, though, right?
02:47:20.000Andrew Doyle, which is a hilarious guy, who created this super woke, crazy left-wing character that people oftentimes retweet unknowing that it's parody.
02:49:48.000And that's where going online afterwards could be a problem because you can then find pictures and make it seem like it and you can put a narrative out there and it can get amplified very fast.
02:49:58.000Now everyone just believes this narrative that maybe or maybe not this referee is a Celtics fan and his family is a Celtics fan.
02:50:05.000Well, there's biases like that, and there's gambling, which is even more insidious.
02:50:08.000Yeah, but look, whatever the reasons are for this one, we don't even need to get into the intentions of the refs, because just the plain facts of the matter are, that was a shit call, because of that the Lakers lost the game, and that's bad enough.
02:50:38.000The next day happened again in the NFL, though.
02:50:40.000There's big controversy, extra plays given, ending didn't happen the way maybe the NFL wanted it to go, so everyone thinks they fucking scripted it.
02:50:48.000Well, people always think fights are fixed.
02:50:50.000Did you ever see the Tyson Fury, Deontay Wilder controversy?
02:50:57.000But people were convinced that Tyson Fury's gloves weren't attached properly, and that he was punching with gloves that, like, the glove wasn't even attached to his fist.
02:51:09.000See, that's not the best example because that's a common thing that happens when you punch someone, your wrist gets bent backwards.
02:51:17.000But what Tyson Fury does, if you understand boxing, this is a common thing, the way he throws punches, he throws punches like this and then he'll throw a hard punch.
02:51:29.000So he's touching you and showing you things and in the process of doing that, if you look at it in slow motion, his hand goes way back and it will even look like the glove's not attached.
02:51:41.000And so he has these really long ass arms and knuckleheads were thinking that His wrists were actually in the wrapped area.
02:51:48.000And so the wrapped area is hard and no padding at all.
02:51:52.000And then he was hitting him with that.
02:51:53.000And Deontay Wilder saw these videos and was like, this guy cheated me, he was hitting me.
02:52:07.000Well, what happened in the first fight was Tyson Fury got knocked down and almost knocked out in the 12th round, but then came back to win the round, and the way he won the round was by putting Deontay Wilder on his heels, making him back up.
02:52:20.000And then he realized, I believe, from that round and that approach, that's the way to fight Deontay Wilder.
02:52:26.000Because even though he got knocked down at the beginning of the 12th round, he wound up winning The remainder of the round and even had Deontay hurt at one point in time.
02:52:37.000But then in the second fight where he overwhelmingly beat Deontay Wilder, Deontay came up with all these excuses like he was wearing this thing, it was too heavy when he walked out and his water got poisoned.
02:53:21.000And they were saying that the gloves weren't actually attached and that see how he was like punching him without hitting with the knuckle that he was actually the knuckles were where the wrists were.
02:54:07.000But it's not Tyson Fury's job to get up at the correct 10-second mark while he just got rocked and dropped.
02:54:13.000It's his job to listen to the referee when the referee says 8, 9, and then he gets up at 10. It might have already been 10, but he doesn't know that.
02:54:22.000Yeah, but would a different ref have done it differently?
02:57:25.000But on the other hand, it's like you do introduce a whole new set of problems when it comes to sports because now there's massive incentive to just let's fucking rig this.
02:57:34.000I'll pay you two million dollars to take the fall.
02:59:20.000Universally respected one of the the first elite strikers to compete in MMA because in MMA you had these guys that were like really good at one thing or another thing But you know to have a guy like boss who came over who had that Dutch kickboxing style and he was like an intelligent animal That's how he fought just like intelligent marauding berserking guy who just destroyed people he was an amazing amazing fighter So he did the Tyson-style blitzkrieging
02:59:59.000The Dutch are known for this Muay Thai style, this kickboxing style, and they're some of the greatest fighters in kickboxing history who have come out of Holland.
03:00:09.000Now, you put a guy like that up against a jiu-jitsu expert.
03:00:37.000You still have some specialists that are really good at stand-up, but their vulnerabilities are the ground.
03:00:42.000You know, like Alex Pajera, who is the UFC middleweight champion, is just an elite kickboxer who's learning grappling, but his grappling is not nearly as good as his striking.
03:00:53.000But the problem is every fight starts standing up.
03:00:55.000And so when you're standing up with him, you're dealing with one of the most dangerous human beings on planet Earth.
03:01:00.000And so just trying to get him on the ground is so dangerous.
03:01:04.000You've got to get close to him, you're gonna get hit with a knee or a punch, and he's good at takedown defense.
03:01:39.000So his specialty and Pejera's specialty were the same specialty.
03:01:44.000But Pejera is bigger, and he had knocked Israel out in kickboxing.
03:01:48.000So that was one of the reasons why it was such a highly anticipated fight, was because everybody knew that Stylebender, Israel Adesanya, is one of the greatest strikers in the world.
03:01:57.000So for him to be fighting another guy who's one of the greatest strikers in the world, and a guy who had already knocked him out, everybody anticipated, like, this is going to be a wild encounter.
03:02:12.000Like, I just got the sense, and I don't know anything about fighting, but when I look at it, I just got the sense, like, this guy's just so large that I feel like he wins fights from being large.
03:02:20.000Well, Bob Sapp most certainly won some fights from being large.
03:02:24.000It's not that he didn't have any skills.
03:02:26.000He certainly was skillful, but he was also 375 pounds with abs.
03:06:03.000Next thing I know, a couple of drops are dripping from my head.
03:06:06.000He said he went to CBS, went to look to hopefully glue it together or something, but it needed six stitches.
03:06:12.000We were trying to figure out a way to do this, but we came down here and the commission said we weren't going to let me fight.
03:06:18.000Now, Ken Shamrock was an actual fighter, but he also was in probably WWF back in the day, not even WWE. Yeah, and then for a guy like Kimbo, I don't know if he ever did that kind of wrestling, but he should have.
03:06:49.000And, you know, had the balls to fight in the UFC. I mean, took a chance and, you know, decided, like, the UFC said, well, we'll take you in, but we want you to go through the ultimate fighter, which is their proving ground.
03:07:01.000So they have, you know, these guys live in a house together and fight.
03:07:08.000No, he wound up losing to Big Country, this guy Roy Nelson, who took him down, got on top of him, put him in a crucifix, and just punched him in the face until the referee stopped it.
03:07:34.000I'm kind of a fan of what he did with COVID. I'm kind of a fan that he looked at the reality of who the disease was hurting, and he said, we need to protect our vulnerable people, but we don't want to destroy our economy.
03:07:48.000And he allowed people to make their own choices, and it turned out to be correct.
03:07:54.000Now, what's interesting, I don't know if you saw this the other day, but Trump started going after DeSantis on COVID. Yes.
03:08:00.000And he was saying, like, bro, we shut down the beaches, bro.
03:08:36.000And my friend who worked for the state, who worked in the, well, it's actually my friend's brother, who worked for the state in their COVID, you know, whatever the fuck it was, whatever they called the organization, where they were determining what the laws were.
03:08:51.000He brought up, like, why are we banning outdoor dining?
03:08:54.000There's no evidence that shows that it's transmitted that way.
03:08:57.000And the woman who he was working with said, it's for the optics.
03:09:02.000Shutting down all these businesses in a time where they were already struggling.
03:09:06.000I mean, California, or I'm sure San Francisco as well, but LA lost something in the neighborhood of 75% of their restaurants during this time.
03:09:20.000None of those people lost any money by shutting people's businesses down.
03:09:25.000That's part of the problem, is that their financial situation was unaffected by these decisions that they made.
03:09:32.000And these decisions that they made, it was the first time in my life where I realized how important it is what your mayor and your government do.
03:09:40.000And when you have a government and a mayor and a governor that can decide to shut businesses down arbitrarily, gyms, the places where people can be the most healthy, they decided to do these things that radically affected people's lives and it turned out they were wrong.
03:09:55.000And that's what I liked about DeSantis, that he looked at when they opened up the state and he was being roundly criticized, he said, we have to protect our most vulnerable, we have to protect our elderly, we have to get them vaccines, we've got to do this, but everybody else, you should be able to make your own decisions.
03:10:09.000Yeah, I definitely understand that aspect of it, because when the data came in on how different states were affected, it seemed to be the case that states that were a little bit more lax with those sorts of things fared just the same as the ones that were really cracking down hard.
03:10:25.000But they didn't fare as bad economically.
03:10:27.000They did much better economically in those other states.
03:10:30.000Yeah, and I mean, I also, to his credit, he did the...
03:10:34.000Monoclonal antibodies, like, free little clinics.
03:11:06.000Generally, I'm good about it, but this one time where I got my blood work done, I just left.
03:11:10.000I didn't even know I was going to get my blood work done that day, so I left from the sauna and went there, which I think probably affected it.
03:11:59.000Jamie, if you want, you can pull that up.
03:12:00.000Yeah, that's what it says here, but it's legal in Florida, or medically.
03:12:04.000It says marijuana should remain criminalized because of its putrid odor.
03:12:09.000Polling compiled by the University of North Florida showed that most Floridians want the adult use of marijuana to be legal in the Sunshine State.
03:12:27.000What I don't like about is if you go to some of these places that have done it, the stench when you're out there, I mean, it smells so putrid.
03:12:34.000I want people to be able to breathe freely.
03:13:42.000I mean, I didn't see if he did, but just the fact he's against it was a strike against him in my mind.
03:13:47.000But the voters voted for it, and that is the law.
03:13:51.000So, because they had the direct vote, and I don't know if he has any legal recourse, so it's becoming law, but he told them don't vote for it.
03:16:20.000Yeah, there's some weird ocean red tide thing.
03:16:22.000Apparently, the burning of the sugarcane helps lead to that as well, along with, like you said, the particulate matter, which could lead to cancer.
03:16:31.000The burning of it, that's like a common agricultural approach, right?
03:16:35.000Where they do that to sort of revigorize the, that's not a word, but reinvigorate the soil, right?
03:16:43.000The topsoil, is that what they're doing?
03:16:45.000I mean, there's some industrial reason why they do it, but I think there was conversation around, hey, we got to regulate this, we have to make it, you know, we got to lower the cancer rate, we got to lower the red tide, we got to figure this out.
03:16:55.000And there's a direct correlation between those burns and cancer instances?
03:17:19.000On the politics front, I think he's actually plotted his way around brilliantly, where, you know, he is the heir apparent to Donald Trump, and there's a chance he could even beat Donald Trump in a Republican primary.
03:17:30.000And honestly, I think any Democrat should fear him over Trump in a general election.
03:17:34.000I think even half-dead Joe Biden can defeat Trump again.
03:17:39.000Yeah, well, see, the problem is, Trump has siloed himself off, and he can't shut up about the 2020 election.
03:17:45.000It's rigged, it's stolen, it's, you know, and it's, he comes across as whiny.
03:17:49.000And the Republicans, under his leadership, got wiped out in the 2018 midterms, they got wiped out in the 2020 main election, and they got wiped out in the 2022 midterms.
03:17:57.000Well, people either love him or they hate him.
03:18:00.000And I don't think there's as much polarity when it comes to DeSantis.
03:18:13.000And so I think he would be a good general election candidate, but in terms of how he governs, it would be George W. Bush, it would be George H.W. Bush, it would be Trump, it'd be all the same stuff.
03:18:25.000Tax cuts for the wealthy, super-serve Wall Street, keep the military-industrial complex going.
03:20:33.000And then Newsom would run in 2024. But he's trying to, you know, he's starting to edge his way in there.
03:20:41.000And again, for him, I think he would have a better chance than a Kamala or a Mayor Pete, but I still think he's got the slimy politician feel to it.
03:20:48.000There's a lot of stuff to pick apart in his record, as you accurately pointed out.
03:21:03.000But it's still the era of the outsider.
03:21:05.000People still want something fresh, something different, something from outside of the political system to come in and bring about real change.