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00:01:11.000It was a ridiculous tax that you're generally exempt from if you file by a date, which why do you even have this rule that punishes small businesses who are usually drowning and it's easy to miss this stupid arbitrary date.
00:01:30.000And so the city of LA came after me, and they basically shook me down for like $4,000.
00:01:35.000And I was like, this shit keeps me up at night, Joe.
00:03:18.000I was saying to my husband, I'd rather go give that $4,000 to a homeless person under the freaking highway than the city of LA, which is just going to set it on fire.
00:04:47.000I'm like, how is anyone doing this as a small business?
00:04:50.000Because anyone who has a small business knows you're always...
00:04:56.000Particularly when you're not making millions of dollars and have lots of people doing this stuff for you, you're always trying to just keep up with all of the things that you have to manage.
00:05:06.000Well, it's so different than any other business, like running a state.
00:05:10.000Because any other business, you would say, well, where are our necessary expenses?
00:05:17.000We need to figure out, like, what makes things profitable, what's necessary, what's not.
00:05:21.000And with bureaucracy, they don't do that.
00:05:24.000Instead, they have so many people, we need to figure out new ways to suck money out of these poor people that are stuck, rooted, literally rooted in this state.
00:06:42.000Because the traffic and all the gambling and all the, you know, people just trying to do coke and party and lose all their money.
00:06:50.000I get spiritually sick when I go to Vegas.
00:06:53.000I know it sounds ridiculous, but I always joke, like, I know where all the great chicken noodle soup is on the strip.
00:06:59.000I end up like the sad girl always in Vegas.
00:07:02.000Even when I was using drugs and drinking, I would end up in a hotel room looking at all the, you know, fountains and all of the lights, just sick.
00:07:11.000And it was, like, as we would be driving there, I would be getting just a fever more and more sick.
00:07:18.000I swear to God, I get like a soul sickness when I go to Vegas.
00:07:24.000If I wasn't in the business that I'm in, I probably wouldn't like to go there at all.
00:07:28.000But, you know, I go there for fights because there's fights there all the time.
00:07:31.000It's one of the best places in the world for fights.
00:09:24.000I immediately in my mind went through a montage of him at the strip club without his leg and him being like, bro, where did I leave my leg?
00:13:18.000It's like having a physical thing is nice and turning pages is nice, but there's no, like, especially if you're traveling, there's no better thing than a Kindle.
00:13:26.000When I used to travel and backpack, half my stuff was like books.
00:16:13.000Like, he eats junk food, he doesn't take vitamins, barely exercise, he would walk a little bit.
00:16:19.000But isn't that what they're trying to do now with, like, obese kids?
00:16:22.000Recently it came out, they're like, you can get surgery for these kids who are under 12, 12 years old, and it's like, or tell them to go get their fat asses outside and play!
00:16:32.000Doing that to a child, doing that surgery to a child is fucking criminal.
00:17:29.000There's no biological free lunch when it comes to a quick fix for something that has to do with you're putting the wrong things into your body.
00:17:38.000Your body's reacting in a very negative way.
00:17:40.000It seems dangerous to try and make people think that they can just take a pill or have a surgery to fix their problems.
00:17:48.000It is dangerous, but it's also a sign of being captured by an industry.
00:17:52.000There's an industry that relies on human beings and their illnesses in order to generate vast amounts of wealth.
00:18:19.000Look at all these obese people that were, you know, unnaturally or, you know, disproportionately affected by COVID. Why don't we figure out a way to fix them with drugs and then we can sell them the drugs?
00:20:51.000I think these guys are really truly, and I did see this even when I was with the wealthy guy referenced earlier, just you get so used to getting whatever you want and never hearing no, it like damages your brain.
00:21:04.000It's not good to never hear no in your life, even as a child and even as an adult.
00:21:10.000You know, you have to, there need to be, when was the last time you heard no, Joe?
00:21:56.000And then you're keeping up with the Joneses.
00:21:58.000Oh, I'll never forget being in Saint-Tropez and being with that guy.
00:22:02.000And he was so wealthy from my perspective, who was like a backpacker with a car that was leaking in my garage and maybe $7 in my bank account.
00:22:11.000And he felt poor in Saint-Tropez looking at all these yachts coming in.
00:22:15.000Because when you're a couple of hundred millionaire, it's still nothing compared to billion.
00:25:36.000This is where the internet is so glorious.
00:25:38.000They make these like charts and graphs of every single one of his ex-girlfriends and when they broke up at what age.
00:25:45.000And it's always like 23. He's like, oh, sorry.
00:25:48.000Well, they probably want to do something with their life or they want to get married or they want to settle down or they just want to find meaning.
00:25:55.000We were joking on Dumpster Fire about how my theory is that's how he feels.
00:26:00.000Because I'm like, he's this eco-warrior on his yacht, which, don't get me started.
00:26:05.000But I was like, maybe he feels like by taking their fertile years, he's diminishing the population.
00:28:07.000You know, if you're dealing with some sort of a situation where you feel like that person's being forced to do things or being exploited or, you know...
00:28:27.000Yeah, she was dating some other guy that I know, and he was really young too, but fucking handsome guys, and everybody's like, you go, girl, you know?
00:28:35.000No, I was thinking about this, and I don't know why 19 is different for me than 23. It was like he was kind of bordering on Dirty Old Man, and I feel like 19 tips you into Dirty Old Man and that age gap.
00:28:47.000And I was saying to my editor, I'm like, I don't know, there was just always this moment When I was with guys who were that much older than me, when I distinctly remember it, when I noticed the elasticity of their skin or the lack thereof.
00:29:02.000It was like this weird thing where I was like, what am I doing?
00:29:19.000It's something, no matter how much money and how handsome and how successful they were, there was just something where I'd be like, and maybe it's just me, but I was in my prime.
00:30:54.000That's not necessarily a path you want to go down.
00:31:00.000Yeah, it's very tricky because also working in an office all day doing a job you hate, being exhausted at the end of the day and being drained and making very little money is also not a path you want to go down, but that's a traditional path.
00:31:16.000And obviously it has nothing to do with the way you look and your pictures on Instagram.
00:31:23.000It's not like you're a sex object that's generating you this money.
00:31:27.000But if you're a woman that is—if you're any person that's doing a job that you hate and it's incredibly time-consuming and taxes you emotionally, you're there all day, you're working in this very bizarre power structure where you have to adhere to certain social rules and regulations,
00:31:45.000and it's your whole life because it's most of your day.
00:31:49.000The idea that it's only eight hours a day is not true.
00:31:51.000You also have commuting and most of these people that if you work in a significant job, you probably have to work overtime or you're on salary.
00:32:42.000When I was pushing back and showing my boobs online, one of the things I hated was this idea that you can't be smart and naked for a woman.
00:33:08.000I I still I think there was a moment where I was doing a little bit of both like boobs online and waiting tables and there was something waiting tables was soul-crushing in a different way but I didn't feel there was something you wouldn't didn't feel exploited It wasn't...
00:33:33.000I would be guilty of self-exploitation.
00:34:10.000And I feel like on the other side of that, even if I was like, oh, this is just tasteful nudes, there's still random guys jerking off to that out there.
00:34:20.000And what cost does that have on my spirit or my soul?
00:35:31.000It's like I'm so thinking about all this because I'm trying to write a book and it's all about like I don't know how to explain my life to my daughter and how do I have conversations with her about sex and love and marriage and this in particular is I don't think and then I wrote that piece that I regret being a slut and got a lot of pushback from people.
00:36:02.000Yeah, but it's your personal feelings.
00:36:05.000How can someone give you pushback from your personal feelings of what you regret?
00:36:09.000Well, the argument is that did I regret it at the time or am I only looking back at it and regretting it now that I'm older?
00:36:18.000But I'm like, that's the nature of regret.
00:36:21.000You're not usually regretting things like in real time.
00:36:25.000But isn't that about the way society, our society, Western society, particularly American society, criticizes that?
00:36:32.000Because in European culture, sex has looked very differently than we look at it.
00:36:36.000Even in Canada, they look at sex very different than we look at it.
00:36:39.000It's not shameful for girls to engage in sex or want sex.
00:36:43.000In a lot of countries, it's totally normal and natural.
00:37:36.000And it affects, you know, because your grandparents had a thought about it and your parents had a different thought about it.
00:37:41.000And it's slowly, you know, we're having conversations about it and sort of changes the way the overall culture views it and thinks about it.
00:37:52.000And some people think it's empowering for a woman to do something like OnlyFans because...
00:37:56.000You can make all this money, and it's a business, and why shouldn't you capitalize on that?
00:38:19.000I think a lot about this because there seems to be kind of a pornification of everything.
00:38:24.000So I don't know if it's an overcorrection.
00:38:26.000One of the things I did push back against when I was posting nudes online was this kind of Puritan ideal that we have about sex and particularly like a woman's sexuality.
00:38:39.000And I think there's been a lot of progress in that department, but it is now an overcorrection because there's this idea of luxury beliefs.
00:38:53.000Rob Henderson writes a lot about this.
00:38:56.000And when I interviewed the Women's Liberation Front, when they came on my podcast, they were talking about We look at what people who consider themselves allies do with their own kids as opposed to what they say.
00:39:07.000So I think it's very easy to be like, sex work is work.
00:39:49.000Look, if you can have sex with someone for free, why can't you have sex with someone for money?
00:39:52.000I just don't think that anybody should be able to tell you what to do.
00:39:56.000But as soon as that happens, then you open the door to pimps.
00:40:00.000You open the door to predators that are exploiting women and selling them and taking all their money and becoming very wealthy from their...
00:40:10.000So when you sit in your mansion and say, yeah, let's let men self-ID into women's prisons, that affects a population of women that you don't really give a shit about or have to worry about.
00:40:25.000That's the wildest shit that's going on with the transgender movement, this idea that you can murder women, be self-identified as a woman, and then you don't have to even take hormones, you get erections, you have sex with women in prison.
00:40:38.000I think Constantine had a really funny tweet about that where he's like, I would like someone to do a study on how many people experience gender dysphoria in the courtroom when they're being sentenced.
00:40:52.000Yeah, like, excuse me, I'm a female now.
00:40:55.000Also, you're dealing with liars and murderers and con artists and criminals.
00:40:59.000And of course, they're going to find a way to exploit this little loophole and this new loophole that didn't exist a decade ago.
00:41:06.000Yeah, I think people who are voting for these, in particular in California, you're seeing so many of these policies get put into law and they're going to have long-term effects.
00:41:17.000And Abigail Schreier just did a whole long-form article on...
00:41:49.000It generally hurts poor women who don't really have a voice, these laws.
00:41:54.000And this is this idea of luxury beliefs.
00:41:56.000You can afford to have this belief because it's not really going to affect you or your daughter.
00:42:02.000As the women from Women's Liberation Front said, are these women who are out there saying, sex work is work, yes queen, go do it, are they encouraging their daughters to go into sex work?
00:43:08.000And I've seen this argument where people are saying like, You know, I would want my, you know, child to grow up and know that you can express yourself in any way possible.
00:43:19.000Okay, well, how would you feel about family-friendly strip shows?
00:44:00.000You should definitely be able to do that if you're a grown man.
00:44:03.000But it's another thing to say, let's take children to see this and encourage this and also encourage these children to participate and to go and give them money.
00:44:14.000I've seen these drag queen shows where there's a woman, a trans woman or a drag, I don't know how they identify, but with a g-string and high heels with stars covering their nipples and they have giant fake tits and they're holding hands with this little child.
00:44:40.000So you're sexualizing this in front of these children, which is very weird.
00:44:45.000But I feel like, okay, so there's Drag Queen Story Hour.
00:44:50.000And then there's, this is a different thing, right?
00:44:53.000This isn't like, this is just people going to drag queen shows?
00:44:58.000No, they're having drag queen shows for children.
00:44:59.000There's just been a lot of, you know, a lot of the far right people, the far right.
00:45:05.000A lot of, you know, Christians were protesting against this.
00:45:09.000They find it offensive and libs of TikTok will, you know, find these videos and post it.
00:45:14.000And the thing is, it's like it's not one.
00:45:16.000It's not just one instance where some wacky community thought it was cool to do this.
00:45:20.000It's like, why is this happening and why was this never happening before?
00:45:24.000Is this a side effect of openness and tolerance where because we're more open-minded towards people that are trans or drag queens or what have you and that there's going to be some outer limits of this push?
00:45:47.000I think it's always interesting because it's easy to cherry pick one or two things.
00:45:56.000And like you said, there's many instances of this.
00:45:58.000And I've seen them and I don't understand bringing your child to something like this.
00:46:03.000I don't know how, like, common that is.
00:46:06.000Or if it's a cherry-picked instance that now gets picked up by everybody as kind of chum and passed around and it's something that happened once and now it seems like, oh, everyone's doing this.
00:46:52.000Drag Queen Story Hour started in 2015 in San Francisco, was created by Michelle T, T-E-A, then the executive director of the non-profit Radar Productions, non-profit, LOL. The first events were organized by Julian Delgado Lopera and Virgie Tovar.
00:47:15.000T, who identifies as queer, came up with the idea after attending children's library events with her newborn son and finding them welcoming but heteronormative.
00:47:48.000Other DSH events in San Francisco featured several drag queens of color, including Honey Mahogany, Yves Saint Croissant, and Panda Dolce.
00:48:00.000As of February 2020, there are 50-plus official chapters of DSH. Spread internationally as well as other drag artists, holding events at libraries, schools, bookstores, and museums.
00:48:13.000October 2022, a non-profit organization officially changed its name to Drag Story Hour to be more inclusive and reflect the diverse cast of storytellers.
00:48:28.000I think even Sarah Silverman did, like, a whole video about this, but she was saying, what's the difference between, like, a drag queen and a clown reading to your kids?
00:49:28.000If you're part of an LBGT family and, you know, your kids are only used to seeing a traditional father-mother relationship and, you know, they have two moms or they have two dads.
00:49:46.000Like it makes them feel like there's other communities other than these traditional, you know, communities that have been depicted in the media for decades and decades.
00:49:56.000But I mean, I guess this is the conservative kind of slippery slope argument for like gay marriage is, oh, when you start normalizing things like drag queen story hour, then you have drag queen...
00:50:09.000Strip club hour for the kids and now you have, you know, degeneracy.
00:50:14.000Yeah, but that argument against gay marriage is preposterous.
00:50:19.000It doesn't make any sense because what percentage of people that are involved in a gay marriage or adopted or surrogate children that come along with that are involved in these things?
00:50:32.000But the problem with something like libs of TikTok, not even the problem with them, but the problem with the internet in general, is that you have literally billions of people.
00:50:42.000And out of those people, hundreds of billions of posting things.
00:50:46.000And out of those hundreds of millions, you're going to get thousands of things that some people are going to find questionable.
00:50:52.000But what percentage of that exists in your community?
00:50:58.000But the problem is when you broadcast that and then put it online, then it sort of becomes a thing that exists out there in, you know, the zeitgeist.
00:51:11.000Right, but who's actually putting it in the zeitgeist?
00:51:14.000The person who's broadcasting it, there's a person who's putting it out there the first time, but what really gets it in the zeitgeist is when you use it as a flashpoint for the culture wars.
00:51:45.000I feel like this is the downfall, why things like your podcast and podcasts in general are good, because you actually get to tease apart some of these things instead of it just being like, this is representative of every liberal that you know.
00:53:03.000The one good thing is, well, one of the things that I've learned as I've gone down this rabbit hole is that in most states, many states, you have to have at least had a child before.
00:53:13.000So it's not totally like, how can you consent to something that you don't know?
00:53:19.000How can you consent to giving up a child if you've never had a child?
00:53:24.000So I think usually there's a law in place that you have to have had a child.
00:53:28.000And look, I've heard many stories of like, oh, a friend had cancer and I had the baby for her.
00:53:35.000And people are like, if it's the free market, if a gay couple wants to get an egg from somewhere and then they want to have a mother incubate that egg, what's the problem?
00:53:49.000But I'm like, yeah, but there's a third individual that In this free market transaction, which is a child.
00:53:57.000And that's where I've become very like, okay, but what about the kid?
00:54:01.000Well, it depends entirely about who the parents are, right?
00:54:05.000But they still have to, they still have some kind of They don't have any say in the matter, but I guess I just have an issue talking about kids as if they're like a commodity.
00:54:16.000Yeah, but you also never have any say in who your parents are in the first place.
00:55:20.000Yeah, and I definitely have the, like, women in me issue of using women for their parts.
00:55:30.000And again, I know these women have consented and all this stuff, but it's still...
00:55:36.000It's still questionable to me because you're using all these women for their parts and then the women is kind of like a race.
00:55:43.000Like, you see these pictures of men in hospital beds with their baby that they got the egg from someone and they used the body of some other woman and there's no fucking women in the picture.
00:56:06.000Right, but if a gay couple hires a surrogate and they want to take a photo together with the baby and you see that, you're only seeing, like, one little tiny snapshot of a moment where this gay couple has this child together.
00:56:25.000I mean, that's, again, just me probably cherry-picking one thing that I see on social media, and it tickles my, like, bias, and I'm like...
00:56:34.000But then once you go down the rabbit hole and look at how women in Ukraine, particularly, like, again, poor women are exploited in this industry badly.
00:56:45.000And it is an industry that is rife for exploitation.
00:56:48.000And then if you talk about the slippery slope, did you see that whole article about the woman who posited using brain dead women to incubate She's like some researcher and she put this out there that brain dead women could be used to basically gestate babies.
00:57:11.000There's a thing that happens when the child's in the womb where they're getting emotions and there's...
00:57:17.000There's all sorts of weird interactions between the mother that we haven't really quantified.
00:57:22.000There's so much of this stuff, but again, that brings me to the point, so you can just take a baby away from the mom and then be like, see ya, once they're born?
00:57:48.000And then the more I learned about it, the more I was like, okay, there's some stuff that's kind of fucked up in this whole entire industry.
00:58:45.000Did you see the fucking article today?
00:58:47.000There was a thing on the CBC... And it was talking about the word freedom and that the word freedom is being used many times by far-right activists.
00:59:10.000Why the word freedom is such a useful rallying cry for protesters.
00:59:16.000The word has become common amongst far-right groups.
00:59:19.000So by putting that far-right in there, far-right, there's no indication whatsoever that those truckers in Canada were far-right.
00:59:30.000A lot of those are working-class people that just did not like the idea that they were being forced to do this medical procedure in order to keep their job.
00:59:50.000The term freedom, which is one of the most basic tenets for human rights, your liberty as a human being, your ability to express yourself, your ability to talk about things, to protest, to do what you want.
01:00:22.000They're setting you up for this idea that you requesting freedom, it's like it puts you in the category of anti-vaxxers or racists or far-right people.
01:00:32.000It's just these weird ways that mainstream media has fallen into labeling people in order to Pass an agenda and to put this narrative out there.
01:00:44.000But the fact that they're willing to do it with something that is so important, like freedom.
01:03:51.000And it's a mindfuck that you hear coming out of the WEF and Trudeau echoes it and they say the right words and Use the right phrases.
01:04:01.000And at the end of the day, what's happening is you're going to lose your ability to protest.
01:04:06.000You're going to lose your ability to express yourself.
01:04:08.000You're going to lose your ability to have your say when things start moving in this general direction towards the centralized government being able to control various aspects of your life.
01:04:21.000One of the things that we found out during this protest, the trucker protest, was they froze their fucking bank accounts.
01:06:28.000And the people that are pushing for redistribution of wealth and universal basic income, if they can say that you shouldn't be forced to work and that your needs should be met by a society that has exorbitant wealth and that the way to have a more equitable society is to have these people with exorbitant wealth that,
01:06:45.000you know, they got this wealth by exploiting the middle class and the lower class and that should be redistributed That's that's where it becomes an issue because that's all being that that narrative is being pushed by the left Almost entirely and that's one of the ways that you could say like if you wanted to reinforce the idea that you know not working hard and not struggling and really like putting in an immense amount of effort in order to succeed and you know pushing this idea this capitalist narrative that you
01:07:15.000know that all that stuff is in fact negative And that all that stuff is, in fact, connected to the far right, connected to people that want to suppress other people's rights and take away a woman's right to choose and, you know, all these other different things.
01:07:29.000You could do that far easier by promoting that idea to the left.
01:07:34.000Yeah, I'm not sure how I feel about universal basic income either because I don't know enough about it.
01:07:40.000I do know some of the studies they've done, people generally, if they are given like a baseline, it doesn't make them lazier.
01:07:49.000They actually work harder and it's enough to help them pull themselves up out of that.
01:08:45.000I mean, the overall net positive that it's like, if you can find something that has an overall net positive, that seems like that should be talked about on television and we should talk about trying to figure out other ways to implement that in society.
01:09:19.000Depending on where you're born, the neighborhood you live in, the family you're from, and the idea that we can't have a way to sort of balance it out.
01:09:27.000It just becomes a point in like at what time are you going to stifle people's desire to improve their position because you're going to take away money and de-incentivize people from being successful?
01:10:09.000And even having a child and then seeing just the kind of lack of support that there actually is, you know, you get maybe six weeks and then you're supposed to put your kid in daycare or go back to work when you're just, you're barely done.
01:10:24.000So I feel like there has to be, there's got, I don't want to be so cynical that I'm like, oh, well, I guess it's like...
01:10:32.000We either have this free capitalist society where clearly that will just only try and make money for money's sake and a lot of people do end up getting left behind or we have this free handouts for everyone and people aren't incentivized to go be small business owners or take risks or go start their own thing and pull themselves up.
01:10:57.000I think you and I shared that I didn't have the ideal background, and I didn't go to college, and I pulled myself up and made my own way and overcame addiction.
01:11:11.000So I have a lot of empathy, but I also am like, hey, get your shit together.
01:11:16.000I know it's possible to pull yourself up and make something of yourself.
01:11:23.000There's a lot of people that don't know how to do that.
01:11:26.000You know, when you're stuck in survival, that's why I think something like universal basic income or something like the minimum that you can give people, if it can lift you out of...
01:11:39.000Going from surviving to thriving is something that my therapist and I have talked about for years, but that's a very hard transition to make.
01:11:47.000When you've been in survival mode forever, you're just...
01:12:06.000I just know how it feels to feel like you're finally making headway and then you get hit with a tax bill from the city of Los Angeles or you get hit with a car repair or somebody in your family gets injured and now suddenly you are back to where you started.
01:12:33.000It's also giving people the tools and giving people an understanding of what's required in order to get better, to improve your position in life.
01:12:45.000Financial literacy, for sure, but also telling people what you can do in terms of improving your position in life.
01:13:00.000There's nothing positive about being healthy and being in shape because having more energy will allow you to be more productive and being healthier will allow you to think clearer.
01:13:12.000It'll allow you to make better decisions.
01:13:13.000You'll have less stress and anxiety that'll allow you to make a better, more well-informed choice in terms of what you decide to do with your life.
01:13:41.000I mean, even being sober and getting rid of drugs and alcohol, it's given me such a different view on what I put in my body in terms of food.
01:14:48.000When people have a small amount of money and the best way to get calories is to eat at these places, they give you things that are literally going to lead to disease.
01:14:59.000Isn't it something like only the food that's on the outside of the grocery store is real and everything else basically on the shelves is not?
01:15:40.000The problem, too, that I have with the media ecosphere right now, which is vast, Is that in the vacuum of information, there's only left conspiracy theories.
01:15:53.000And people are trying to fill that and say, here's what they're not telling you for, like, clicks.
01:15:58.000And sometimes it's true and sometimes it's not.
01:16:59.000So scroll down, scroll down so I can read that.
01:17:02.000Highly pathogenic avian influenza, a disease infecting birds and poultry, struck egg-laying hens throughout 2022. As a result of recurrent outbreaks, U.S. egg inventories were 29% lower in the final week of December 2022 than at the beginning of the year.
01:18:40.000It's like I've been trying to follow this Ohio train derailment, which, by the way, it was infuriating to me because we have an administration that is constantly threatening us with climate change disaster.
01:18:54.000Everything we do needs, all of these policies need to be for climate change and the green initiative.
01:19:00.000And there's an actual ecological disaster unfolding and you don't hear a fucking word about it on CNN, on any of the major mainstream media.
01:19:12.000I mean, I guess the cynic in me would say that it's because the railroad is owned by companies that advertise on CNN. Also, the administration, and I'm not an expert on this at all,
01:19:27.000I was reading about how they busted a union.
01:19:30.000So the union was fighting for something and then basically they busted the union fight for more days off.
01:19:38.000And then this occurred after one of the rail workers was saying something like this was bound to happen because they're all sick and overworked.
01:19:46.000And this was actually like the Biden administration.
01:19:50.000We just heard from Pete, Secretary Pete, today about it.
01:19:57.000Do you know that he gave a speech the other day about how there's too many white people working in construction sites?
01:20:04.000Where these construction sites are set up in these communities where the people in the community could benefit from it, which shows a profound lack of understanding of skilled labor.
01:20:14.000Because if you're talking about people that are carpenters and people that are plumbers and people that are electricians and people that are framers and roofers, That's skilled labor.
01:20:24.000You have to hire people that are really good at that.
01:20:27.000And if they don't exist in that community, you have to hire them from outside that community.
01:20:32.000That's why those unions are important.
01:21:44.000I mean, there are people that have derailed trains on purpose.
01:21:48.000So the fact that that's a vulnerability, and the fact that you're transporting hazardous waste On these trains.
01:21:54.000Now, I don't know if they have to take additional precautions due to traveling with hazardous waste and whether or not those precautions were or were not taken.
01:22:04.000That's what I'm hearing about this case, is that this is something that they were trying to cut money by transporting these things that are hazardous waste in a way that perhaps maybe they shouldn't have been transported that way, or maybe the regulation should be different.
01:22:20.000I don't know if it's even hazardous waste, though.
01:22:23.000I think it's just chemicals that we use in plastic.
01:22:44.000He's actually taking what the APA is releasing and he's trying to make sense of it.
01:22:50.000And he's like, why am I the person who's doing this?
01:22:54.000Why am I the person who's asking these questions?
01:22:56.000Because what he mentions is, when you look at the manifest of the chemicals that were on there, what we're looking at is they're doing what's in the air, but also he was saying there was petroleum, so we're talking about an oil spill too, but no one's talking about that.
01:23:28.000So let's talk about the trail derailment in East Palestine, Ohio.
01:23:32.000East Palestine is about an hour north of Pittsburgh, almost halfway to Cleveland.
01:23:36.000Norfolk Southern has a rail line that goes right through town, and this derailment happened right on the edge outside of town on the border of PA and Ohio.
01:23:44.000Of the cars that crashed, five of them contained vinyl chloride.
01:23:47.000It's a monomer used to make PVC. The reporting on this has gotten vinyl chloride confused with polyvinyl chloride, the polymer made out of vinyl chloride.
01:23:56.000Now the reason that this distinction is really important is vinyl chloride is very hazardous and very flammable.
01:24:02.000Polyvinyl chloride is a plastic that's used in like everything.
01:24:06.000The other thing about vinyl chloride is that it boils at 8 degrees Fahrenheit, so it's shipped in its liquid form.
01:24:10.000Meaning that when these trains crashed and these started leaking, they weren't just leaking liquid, but they were spewing boiling gas.
01:24:22.000OSHA has the permissible limit of how much you can be exposed to it during an 8-hour shift as a 1 ppm part per million, average over 8 hours.
01:24:32.000So prior to this the biggest spill of this chemical was in New Jersey where one train car and about 23,000 gallons of vinyl chloride were spilled but it didn't catch on fire.
01:24:43.000Now this crash in Ohio has five train cars.
01:24:46.000These kinds of tanker cars can carry between 25 and 33,000 gallons.
01:24:52.000Let's call it 250 to 250,000 pounds of vinyl chloride.
01:24:57.000That's per train car, five train cars.
01:24:59.000There's maybe a million pounds of this toxic chemical spilling into the ground and also boiling off into the air.
01:25:07.000I think this is where the reporting is really bad because no one is mentioning what the byproduct of vinyl chloride burning is.
01:25:13.000Of the many byproducts of burning vinyl chloride, one of them is hydrogen chloride.
01:25:18.000Hydrogen chloride is really unstable and latches onto water, like just water vapor in the atmosphere, and that turns into hydrochloric acid.
01:25:27.000So right now, government officials, officials from the railroad, both the governor of Pennsylvania and Ohio are calling burning off the million pounds of this stuff a success.
01:25:36.000But not mentioning that it means that we have hundreds of thousands of pounds of acid in the air?
01:25:43.000Now ever since engineering school I've studied a lot of industrial accidents.
01:25:47.000I just find it really fascinating and organizations like the Chemical Safety Board, NTSB, and OSHA all have like really good reports available to the public.
01:25:56.000I think as a designer it's really good to learn about mistakes.
01:25:59.000When looking at these kinds of industrial disasters across time there are a couple things that are pretty universal across all of them.
01:26:04.000One, the responsible party in this case, Norfolk Southern Railway, always plays down the reality of the situation.
01:26:12.000Politicians also just repeat the same lines.
01:26:15.000And then news outlets just repeat the same.
01:26:17.000So all we're hearing is the responsible party's word.
01:28:38.000And like he said to me, you have to be able to muster the resources, fact check things.
01:28:43.000It isn't as fast as the internet where there's a void of information that gets filled.
01:28:49.000And he did a long thread about what they've learned at the local news station where he is that's really good.
01:28:55.000And I recommend people go check it out because I think local news is actually pretty good on this.
01:29:00.000But some people in Ohio are saying they didn't even know about it.
01:29:05.000There's, like, people who you'll see online, they're like, I'm in Ohio and I didn't hear about this, but maybe they don't watch local news.
01:29:12.000Okay, he says, Joe Donatelli says, okay, let's do this again.
01:29:15.000We reported from East Palestine yesterday.
01:29:18.000Brief aside, I keep hearing from people, how come nobody is covering this story?
01:29:22.000Many local news outlets are, and they're doing a good job.
01:29:25.000What I think people are really saying is the cable network I watch isn't covering it, or it's not on a national newspaper's homepage, Or my social feed, all may be true.
01:29:35.000But to say it's not being covered is wrong if you know how to Google.
01:29:39.000Yeah, but I mean, that's kind of important.
01:29:56.000We now know more than the other hazardous materials that the train was carrying, including some not mentioned before.
01:30:07.000Reports from Tara Morgan TV, the EPA released a list of Norfolk Southern...
01:30:14.000From Norfolk Southern of flammable gas and liquids and their status in the rail cards when the train derailed on November 3rd sending a toxic black...
01:33:40.000And the fact that this is how they transport these things on these unmonitored like steel bands where a train going at high speed is vulnerable for derailment.
01:33:51.000There's something, too, about the brakes.
01:33:53.000There was a loose wheel or something, and they called it.
01:33:57.000They couldn't stop it in time, I believe, is how this one happened.
01:34:00.000Yeah, and then there's something about these.
01:34:01.000There's a whole situation around the brakes that the trains use, and they're trying to upgrade to another certain kind of brakes that I was reading about, and this is part of the whole...
01:34:25.000The problem is it's such a colossal failure on the part of the regulatory bodies, the government, the company that's shipping these things.
01:35:16.000These companies are owned by big corporations who are like the evil corporations behind everything because that's just the conglomeration that we live in.
01:35:25.000This kind of stuff makes me more left.
01:35:30.000This is when my lefty really comes out.
01:35:52.000Somebody did a video about how I believe there's something about this that was regulated during the Obama era, and then I think it was Trump who deregulated it, deregulated some aspect of this.
01:36:11.000Regulations for environmental shit like this is super important.
01:36:14.000I don't know, and I just wish I was smarter.
01:36:18.000I wish I could remember things and have that steel trap memory for when you go down a rabbit hole at 1 in the morning and you're reading everything you can about it.
01:36:28.000I just need to start bookmarking all this stuff.
01:36:31.000I can't go down a rabbit hole and stuff like this at night.
01:36:40.000We really don't know the impact, and they're going to hide it.
01:36:43.000They're going to pretend it's not as bad as it is.
01:36:45.000There's no way they're going to give you a 100% accurate assessment of all the environmental damage that's being done to all these people, all the health consequences.
01:36:54.000We've talked about this before with coal plants.
01:36:56.000We had a guy on, we were talking about Mm-hmm.
01:37:24.000Yeah, and then even just the long-term effects, how long will it be uninhabitable?
01:37:28.000Didn't they have to move all those people out of that community?
01:37:31.000And then they're like, it's fine, you can come back because the air is cool, but what about the water and soil?
01:37:37.000Yeah, they had to move them back, and there was like a feel-good article about welcoming back to the community.
01:39:21.000And that was one of the articles that I read that was talking about young women and how many young women voted exclusively Democrat and will continue to do so no matter what.
01:39:33.000I wonder, too, like I was thinking about it for myself, why whenever I get something wrong like that, which is all the time, I wonder, you know, I look at my own bias and kind of echo chamber and what I'm listening to and...
01:39:45.000I just think because I was in California and the lockdowns were so stringent and I disagreed with generally the way that it was handled, I underestimated the tolerance that most people had for the lockdowns that they experienced in their state.
01:40:05.000So I thought it would be a much bigger response.
01:40:09.000Like in Michigan, they had a lot of stringent lockdowns and it was very blue.
01:40:15.000So I guess that's one area where I've learned of like I'm applying my own...
01:40:22.000Lack of tolerance for these lockdowns and seeing how harsh it was on the kids and on small businesses and I'm applying it to everyone but a lot of people think that they did the best they could with the information that they were given and that it was handled they were okay with with the lockdown well I think if the vote came during the lockdown things would be very different but people have very short memories and once things are back open like I have friends in California that we're talking about moving out of California and they're like well You know,
01:40:51.000things are kind of almost back to normal now, so I think I'm going to stay.
01:40:55.000So there's a lot of that where people think, you know, better this than having some fascist Republican run things and take away abortion rights and take away this and that.
01:41:04.000So I think that's part of it is that most things have kind of gone back to normal and people do have short memories.
01:41:12.000And once they're working again, And once the wheels of society start turning again, they kind of forget about how bad it was in 2020 when everything was just fully locked down and all these businesses went under and 70% of LA restaurants.
01:41:28.000I mean, I think, too, and it wasn't as bad in some states as it was in California, but I think most people in California were pretty on board with...
01:41:37.000Obviously, clearly they were based on how they vote.
01:41:56.000It's actually becoming more like the Democratic Socialists got two people on the board in the city of L.A. I think it's becoming more socialist.
01:42:06.000You know, I read a whole article and I think it was Jacobin about how it's a good time to be socialist in Los Angeles.
01:42:13.000The unions are getting stronger and it seems like it's going more to the left.
01:42:42.000People were worried about, like, don't California my Texas.
01:42:44.000But when you actually poll the people who moved to Texas from states like California, they tend to vote more red because they're like, we know what this leads to.
01:43:15.000And if they were personally affected by it, it's varying degrees of whether or not you're going to act or do something about it or whether you're just going to stick with your ideology.
01:43:25.000Yeah, and I wonder, too, if there was no real red wave because a lot of the people who might have voted red in these places left those places and went somewhere red.
01:43:36.000Well, also, how much do you believe in voter fraud?
01:43:43.000How much do you think that there's manipulation?
01:44:17.000On the one hand, I'm glad that people who it might be their elderly, it might be hard for them to get to the Polls that they can vote, but on the other hand, I think there's so much room for fuckery.
01:44:28.000What do you think about the Arizona thing?
01:45:36.000You're hearing rumblings of that now with the upcoming future presidential elections.
01:45:41.000You're seeing some pretty staunch Republicans that are saying we need a sensible person that can do eight years, which is a thing saying that we don't want Trump.
01:47:30.000I read a long-form New Yorker article that profiled him, and I feel like it was meant to be disparaging, but it didn't seem like they could come up with that much.
01:47:41.000It was like, oh, he worked really hard in college and didn't like talking to people.
01:48:29.000He seems like he's used his support when it benefits him and he distances himself from him when it benefits him.
01:48:37.000But wouldn't it benefit him if he became the vice president and Trump was successful and he would be the balanced, reasonable person and then it would set him up in 2028?
01:48:47.000I mean, there's some truth to that idea that everything Trump touches dies.
01:48:53.000Like, I don't know if you want to necessarily sully yourself because he will not go out on a limb for you.
01:49:00.000He'll let the frickin' insurrectionist come try and hang you if you go out on a limb for him.
01:50:19.000I believe if we're going to get a balanced perspective, having someone own Twitter who's not going to allow one individual narrative to be broadcast only.
01:51:05.000I think a lot of people think they're being suppressed.
01:51:08.000I joke all the time, because on YouTube, we were like, it's such a struggle with Dumpster Fire, and I never know if it's something that we're saying on Dumpster Fire, because we don't hold back and censor at all.
01:51:19.000But I was like, it could just be that we suck at YouTube.
01:51:23.000Well, YouTube is very tricky because YouTube definitely doesn't support independent media.
01:51:33.000And, you know, I've talked about this with Kyle Kalinske.
01:51:36.000Yeah, he had something interesting to say on the last one about that.
01:51:40.000And because we kind of fall under like a news show-ish, even though we're joking about the news, I think Dumpster Fire would get caught in those levels that he just talks about.
01:52:05.000It used to be that those things could get magnified and that people would get recommended them and that you'd grow and you'd be on the positive side of the algorithm.
01:52:16.000And now it seems like all those independent shows get stuck.
01:52:19.000Any independent covering of news gets stuck in this...
01:52:29.000When you look at what the ratios are, the number of comments that we get on a video, just from what we've studied about ratios of comments to how many views something has, we should have hundreds of thousands of views based on just how many comments we'll have on something.
01:54:29.000That's where Jaren and I started Factory Settings, a podcast, which is so fun.
01:54:35.000We basically sit down and we talk about media bias and our own biases, but it's just fun because we feel like we just turned date night into a podcast because we can't have a date anymore now that we have a child.
01:54:48.000And we'll just pick a topic like this today's was love and romance.
01:54:53.000And then we just talk about like our factory settings, you know, our default kind, whatever was kind of put into our brain, whether it was from media or family and people like the comments.
01:55:38.000I just feel so happy to be able to create content and do what I love.
01:55:44.000I always joke on Twitter and on YouTube, we're just happy to be there.
01:55:49.000I'm grateful that I even have a presence, but it is frustrating because it's hard not to become paranoid when you're like, I'm being oppressed!
01:55:57.000Well, we have a lot of people that follow us on YouTube.
01:56:02.000I think we have 14-something million, but that hasn't really grown.
01:57:40.000And this is one of the things that I try to tell young comics that are starting podcasts.
01:57:43.000I'm like, you have to be very consistent.
01:57:45.000You have to be consistent and you have to put them out all the time.
01:57:49.000You have to put out multiple ones and then you got to trust the process that it's just going to grow and it can grow organically.
01:57:56.000But coming into the game today, if a comic tries to start a podcast in 2023, you have to understand you're coming into a game that has 5 million players.
01:58:50.000There's a lot of people that had good podcasts back when I was doing it in the beginning that had pretty good podcasts that just teetered off.
01:58:56.000And they're like, I'm bringing back the podcast.
01:59:08.000I mean, someone did ask me to consider it.
01:59:10.000The more time that you spend just doing what you want to do and trying to make it the best version of itself versus doing something that you think will attract more people.
01:59:20.000We just try and figure out if we're doing something that is...
01:59:25.000Impeding our ability to attract more people that could easily be remedied.
01:59:31.000You guys probably naturally do it or you have people who are thinking about doing this for you that you can do your product and then they put the right card at the end on the video so that it gets shared or they roll to the next video.
01:59:45.000There might be simple things that we're not doing.
01:59:48.000So it's one of those things where it's like, I don't know.
02:00:36.000It's a different part of my personality.
02:00:37.000I feel like they all exercise parts of my personality.
02:00:41.000And Dumpster Fire feels always like I'm doing stand-up.
02:00:44.000We do Dumpster Fire live streams now, and it feels so...
02:00:47.000Like, I get that same rush because it's a live stream, and I'm like, I don't fucking know what I'm going to say half the time when I'm doing that show.
02:00:53.000Dumpster Fire is my favorite of your podcasts.
02:00:58.000But it's one of those things where if you do all these and you count the views from all of them, do you think you would have all those views on one channel if you only did one?
02:01:15.000A lot of people love Walk-Ins Welcome.
02:01:18.000There's a whole new audience that we're getting through factory settings because I think it's nice to have the male influence and people just like the conversation.
02:02:03.000Honestly, it's just beautifully designed, and I love how easy it is to share the work.
02:02:08.000I started doing on my Substack, I wanted to just force myself to do a writing prompt every day, so I just started doing it, but on Write Club, on my Substack, and people are joining in, and then they post their writing prompts.
02:02:21.000It's such a fun, interactive thing, and they introduce a chat function, so you can chat with your audience, which is really cool.
02:03:28.000Well, Seymour Hersh has said it and he's documented his sources and discussed what happened.
02:03:35.000And the fact that someone like Seymour Hersh is publishing and a guy who really hasn't been working is publishing on Substack.
02:03:43.000What's crazy to me is I asked my friend, I'm like, wasn't this, am I mistaken or was this like a conspiracy theory that got you labeled as like a Putin apologist?
02:04:23.000What are they saying that it covers for?
02:04:25.000The most astounding claim in the blockbuster new article from Seymour Hersh alleging that the U.S. is responsible for sabotaging two of Russia's natural gas pipelines is that the Biden administration is led by a no-nonsense crew of highly capable tacticians.
02:04:41.000Forget what you've heard about the secret classified documents turning up in various Biden residences.
02:04:46.000But first of all, those Biden residences, that's documents from when he was a vice president.
02:04:50.000That's really not applicable for this current administration.
02:04:53.000And Hirsch is telling that the Biden White House practices exceptional operational security.
02:04:58.000You're talking about different administrations.
02:05:00.000Also, you're talking about something the vice president took with him to his home.
02:05:06.000And it would need to because according to the single anonymous source on whom Hirsch bases his piece, the Russians have superlative surveillance of the Baltic Sea.
02:05:16.000Pulling off a plan to blow up Nord Stream 1 and Nord Stream 2 pipelines between Germany and Russia would acquire not only vision and leadership, But sophisticated cover.
02:05:25.000So what kind of highly advanced self-technology did the Biden team employ to cloak the underwater operation?
02:05:32.000They hid the plot to start World War III in plain sight.
02:05:35.000According to the source, who had direct knowledge of the operational planning, writes Hirsch, A team of U.S. Navy divers planted the explosives in June 2022 during an annual NATO exercise in the Baltic Sea, while tens of thousands of naval personnel from allied countries on site and hundreds of thousands more were monitoring the exercise remotely.
02:05:56.000That is, according to Hersh's source, Team Biden thwarted the Russian superb Surveillance by planting explosive before the eyes of an audience of military and intelligence officials from the European countries that depend on Russian gas carried through the pipelines.
02:06:11.000Right, but what Seymour Hersh is saying is they planted it months in advance and then detonated it remotely.
02:06:47.000But if these people were there and no one knew that a team of divers planted this, no one's monitoring the bottom of the fucking ocean.
02:06:56.000You're not having people monitoring whether or not people are planting explosives that will be detonated remotely three months, four months in the future.
02:07:04.000So they're saying just because no one was monitoring it, that's why it's not true?
02:07:11.000Yeah, people write articles and they have narratives, but I don't like the way they're phrasing it.
02:07:15.000They're saying that the Biden administration is inept because you're seeing these classified documents show up in Biden's home because that's all stuff that was from many years ago when he was the vice president.
02:07:27.000Yeah, I don't know enough about the Nord Stream thing.
02:07:32.000I just know that if it is in fact true, it's another instance where people were labeled conspiracy theorists and then five, three or four months later, it's like, oh, just kidding.
02:08:02.000But the idea that they're a bumbling administration because they found these classified documents at Biden's estate Just doesn't seem accurate.
02:08:12.000Not only that, my suspicions when they found all these classified documents, and these documents were released by his aides, was that they probably are concerned with Biden wanting to run in 2024. The fact that they released that, me, my conspiratorial mind was like,
02:09:19.000After experiencing everything that they experienced, all the racism, all the attacks over the eight years that Obama was in the White House, why would she want to subject herself to that when she's escaped from it?
02:09:48.000I mean, I feel like if she did do it, it would be either out of...
02:09:53.000She doesn't strike me as someone who'd do something, and I don't know anything about her, but my general impression is that she's not really...
02:10:55.000Would that be better than what we've got right now with her at the helm?
02:11:00.000I mean, certainly we'd be better in terms of the way we view the presidency.
02:11:04.000Because the thing about Biden is we view him as being this compromised, like mentally compromised, incompetent, bumbling guy who slurs his words.
02:12:17.000The attacks that you get, the way it tears your life apart.
02:12:21.000That's why I really would be, I'd question DeSantis going up against Trump because of the unhinged attacks that you're subjecting your family to from the crazy, like, Trump-alites.
02:12:34.000And, you know, the people, they're going to call him a pedophile or something.
02:12:37.000Something's going to, some QAnon type deal's going to happen.
02:12:40.000I mean, you're already going to be dealing with, like, the left calling you a Nazi, and then you're going to be dealing, you're going to be getting a two-pronged attack.
02:13:42.000Because this- The character became popular in 2005, his role in a viral video of game footage where, when having been absent during his group's discussion of a meticulous plan, Leroy returns and ruins it by charging straight into combat while shouting his own name as a battle cry.
02:14:29.000Okay, well what we'll do, I'll run in first, gather up all the eggs so we can kind of just, you know, blast them all down with AoE.
02:14:37.000I will use Intimidating Shout to kind of scatter them so we don't have to fight a whole bunch of them at once.
02:14:43.000When my shout's done, I'll need Anthony to come in and drop his shout too, so we can keep him scattered, not to fight too many.
02:14:51.000When his is done, Bass of course will need to run in and do the same thing.
02:14:55.000We're going to need Divine Intervention on our mages, so they can AE, so we can, of course, get them down fast, because we'll bring in all these guys.
02:15:03.000I mean, we'll be in trouble if we don't take them down quick.
02:15:54.000How funny is it that out of all the people playing World of Warcraft, this one thing where he says Leroy Jenkins becomes famous?
02:16:01.000Well, we came famous and then I think the most heartbreaking thing that I ever heard was that it didn't come out that it was planned.
02:16:10.000It was something that was, it wasn't organic.
02:16:13.000It was something that, I don't know, I feel like I had my heart broken when I found out that that was something that was like a, it was planned.
02:16:21.000It wasn't something that was just like someone got, I don't know, I've been saying it for years, I love it.
02:16:29.000So it wasn't just a guy coming back not paying attention?
02:16:33.000I feel like I'm gonna break hearts because I'm not sure that every- You're not gonna break hearts?
02:16:37.000No one even knows- How many people know about this?
02:16:39.000So many people know about this, it's huge!
02:16:41.000You guys are so much more deep into the internet than I am.
02:17:14.000That was one of my favorite South Parks where they made fun of all the World of Warcraft and like the kids just got super fat and like bad acne and they were just taking a shit in like a bucket in their room.
02:18:00.000I feel like it would just be a funny, it's like a funny idea that there's like someone who's like got me and their job is to get me to sign up for TikTok and they're trying to like find the stuff that appeals to me and they're like, oh, I almost had her!
02:18:55.000He thinks what's happening is they're using that and they're saying that because China's so successful with it.
02:19:02.000The way they're doing it is so successful that they're trying to say it's Chinese spyware and they're trying to kill the competition by saying that.
02:19:11.000And he said they're all trying to emulate the success of TikTok, which is true, which is why Instagram has gone to Reels, and they're favoring Reels.
02:19:18.000And even Twitter now, if you notice, when you play a video on Twitter, if you swipe, it'll show you another video right away.
02:19:25.000Oh, I mean, I know they have the new thing on, what is it?
02:19:35.000But that's like you find that in your YouTube feed and you click on them, but then when you click off, it just goes back to regular YouTube.
02:21:17.000So we have these really interesting conversations.
02:21:19.000And she laughs about how different her feed is than her sister.
02:21:23.000So it really curates what you're actually interested in.
02:21:27.000No, I heard the algorithm on TikTok is amazing.
02:21:29.000The difference in our algorithm versus the Chinese algorithm is where it gets really weird.
02:21:34.000Because with ByteDance, what they've done in China is it favors athletic accomplishments, science achievements, It favors martial arts, traditional dance.
02:22:33.000Well, no, actually, Duncan used one minute of Biden talking, and he wrote this, like, ridiculous plot, and then used a deepfake of Biden's voice with an animated character of Biden.
02:22:47.000Pull it up off of Duncan's Instagram, because it's amazing.
02:23:38.000Where they're using people's voices to...
02:23:42.000Yeah, I was reading something about in the art world, you have to be careful when you sign contracts in Hollywood or somewhere where they're kind of building in the ability to use your likeness in deepfakes and AI. Oh,
02:24:01.000So you have to make sure when you're signing your contracts that you're not signing away the rights to use your likeness or image or voice.
02:24:48.000I highlighted on my Instagram, someone did...
02:24:51.000They did the art of Alex Gray and they did a series of images in the art of Alex Gray and they look exactly like something Alex Gray would do and they probably generated them in a couple of minutes instead of months and months of Alex Gray laboring and painting by hand and Obviously,
02:25:09.000it's not as valuable or as interesting because it's not coming out of an individual's hands, and that's what we like about art.
02:25:16.000Taylor Boast made this painting of Mitzi Shore.
02:25:19.000That painting is very important to me because I love Taylor.
02:25:32.000Someone could make art in the style of Taylor Boss and do it that way and it would be indistinguishable.
02:25:40.000I mean that's a very strange thing for illustrators and for artists and you're seeing these artists rallying against this, rightly so, because it's probably going to take work away from them and it's probably going to devalue their contributions.
02:25:52.000Yeah, and not to mention the fact that they're scouring the internet learning from them.
02:32:16.000They buy Egyptian artifacts and stuff that was pilfered from Iraq.
02:32:22.000That was a thing with artifacts, like Sumerian artifacts from Iraq.
02:32:27.000When the fall of Iraq, when Saddam Hussein went down, a lot of that stuff was pilfered and stolen.
02:32:34.000One of my favorite stories when I was in Alexandria in Egypt and we were going on tours around and there was a garbage man because there were just antiquities everywhere.
02:32:45.000It's like in everyone's backyard in Egypt.
02:32:47.000It's just stuff you find when you dig.
02:32:50.000It was like a burial site with tons of mummies in it.
02:32:56.000But the story is this guy who is a garbage man was taking the mummies out and he was selling them on the black market underneath all the garbage.
02:33:06.000And he got busted in his 80s because they were like, how is this garbage man worth millions of dollars?
02:33:15.000He got extremely wealthy and it turns out he was on top of a whole...
02:33:19.000I don't know how many mummies were in there.
02:33:22.000It's just like one of those stories that stuck out to me.
02:33:26.000How bizarre would it be to go over to someone's house and they have a mummy?
02:33:37.000That's what's so fucked in terms of Egyptian history is that so many of those tombs have been raided over the years and long, long ago to the point where you're never going to find that stuff.
02:34:15.000I went right after the revolution, so it was empty.
02:34:21.000It was almost like getting a private tour of this place that's generally filled with tourists.
02:34:27.000We had no line to see King Tut, no line to go into the Great Pyramids.
02:34:33.000It was like on our cruise down the Nile, there were supposed to be, I think, a hundred and some odd people on the cruise, and there were 14 of us.
02:34:47.000And it was right after they had voted, so they all had their purple stamp on their finger, and there was all this optimism, and it was before they realized that it all kind of went back to normal, and they had to choose between two.
02:34:58.000I've never heard of any of these things.
02:35:00.000I found something that said they had unwrapping parties in Victorian times, so I googled mummy unwrapping parties and then stumbled across, why did people start eating mummies?
02:35:35.000By the 19th century, people were no longer consuming mummies to cure illnesses, but Victorians were hosting unwrapping parties where Egyptian corpses would be unwrapped for entertainment at private parties.
02:35:49.000Napoleon's first exhibition into Egypt in 1798 piqued European curiosity and allowed 19th century travelers to Egypt to bring whole mummies back to Europe, brought off the street in Egypt.
02:36:01.000They recently found one in someone's attic in England.
02:37:48.000And then flew back and went to Alexandria, which I loved.
02:37:51.000There's just something very cosmopolitan about Alexandria, and we were with a bunch of locals.
02:37:56.000One of my mentors in Cairo was Henny, rest in peace.
02:38:01.000He was an artist and had all these young art Students who lived in Alexandria and they took us out and we played dominoes and like the Egyptian dominoes and the drinking tea and went to this amazing Mediterranean restaurant and ate.
02:40:47.000It felt like this is where it started.
02:40:50.000Well, this is where it started for human civilization.
02:40:52.000And I saw all these crazy things in my life, like all these other people in my life and how they were connected and how I had met them before in different places in my life.
02:41:01.000But I had kind of a panic attack and thought I was going to lose my mind and end up in a straitjacket in an Egyptian mental ward.
02:41:09.000And luckily the guy I was with, he could have been an asshole and he had seen some like weird sixth sense witchy stuff from me when we were in New Zealand.
02:41:16.000So he kind of was like, all right, she's a little touched.
02:42:32.000And the craziest thing and most revealing thing was how our tour guide, you look and it's like one of the hieroglyphics and pictures that we saw was what their medicine looked like.
02:42:46.000And it was a picture of Basically, no difference between a surgeon's table today and what they were using then.
02:42:53.000It was a bone saw, and it looked exactly like if you took a picture of a modern surgeon's little tray that they have.
02:43:01.000And I asked her, I'm like, what happened to this?
02:43:04.000And she said, it literally got buried under the sand.
02:43:07.000It just got buried under the sand, and we went into another cycle of kind of superstition and conspiracy and dark ages.
02:43:26.000I was reading something that the Egyptians are mad about this.
02:43:29.000The Younger Dryas Impact Theory is backed by real hard science.
02:43:33.000And this real hard science is done through core samples and through a knowledge of when we pass through comet storms.
02:43:39.000And they believe that somewhere around 12,800 years ago, the world, like 30% of the world has evidence of this, that we were hit by multiple chunks of rock from space.
02:43:53.000It flooded North America, removed the ice caps.
02:43:58.000Half of North America was covered in a mile-high sheet of ice 12,000 years ago.
02:44:03.000And it all almost instantaneously went away.
02:44:06.000On top of it going away, it left behind the Great Lakes, all this melting, all this massive erosion.
02:44:12.000And when they do core samples, when they dig in through the Earth, at that period of time, at 12,800 years ago, you find levels of iridium, which is very common in space but very rare on Earth.
02:44:23.000You also find evidence of these nanodiamonds, these microdiamonds that occur on impacts.
02:45:03.000And what these Egyptologists and these archaeologists that have this alternative view of history believe Was that there was a thriving, incredibly complex society that existed prior to 12,800 years ago, and that they were hit.
02:45:19.000And that our thoughts of civilization emerging around 6,000 years ago in Mesopotamia, in Sumer, that that was a re-emergence of civilization after thousands of years of barbarian life, because the survivors of this impact The United States was,
02:45:36.000you know, whatever, whoever lived in the United States at that time, the evidence of it was almost completely wiped out.
02:45:43.000And then the people that lived in Egypt, they were almost completely wiped out.
02:45:47.000And that what you get after that is people sort of reimagining what life was like and trying to duplicate it.
02:45:54.000The newer stuff in Egypt is much poorer design than the old stuff.
02:46:00.000And they really don't know how old the old stuff is.
02:46:03.000The idea of the pyramids being 12,000 or 2,500 BC, that's just based on some carbon tests that they've done on little particles they found inside the cracks of the stones.
02:46:46.000But these guys, and this guy from Bright Insight and Ben from History X, we've had podcasts about this where they discuss their trips there and the real evidence that shows that this Younger Dryas Impact Theory is most likely correct.
02:47:02.000So what's controversial about their theory?
02:47:13.000Because, first of all, people have staked their career on a specific timeline.
02:47:17.000The specific timeline was the construction of the Great Pyramids, 2,500 years, along with the construction of the Sphinx and all these different things.
02:47:26.000And so they've been teaching lectures, writing books, and this is something that these archaeologists have said, we know this is a fact.
02:47:36.000And one of the things that they said back then when they were challenged, because there was a guy named Dr. Robert Chalk from Boston University, and he's a geologist, and one of the things that he said is there's very clear water erosion around the Temple of the Sphinx that indicates thousands of years of rainfall.
02:47:53.000The problem with that is the last time there was heavy rainfall in the Nile Valley was like 9,000 years ago.
02:47:59.000So that would fuck with any timeline that placed the construction of that at 2,500 BC. So they think it's thousands and thousands of years old.
02:48:08.000So this is hard science in terms of geology and erosion.
02:48:30.000And so when they went to these Egyptologists and they presented this data, they mocked them, say, what evidence is there of an advanced civilization from 10,000 years ago?
02:48:54.000So they know that at that point in time when they thought that people were just primarily hunters and gatherers and that's it, they built these immense, complicated structures, thousands of tons.
02:49:04.000So they don't know thousands of tons of stones arranged in these circles and concentric circles.
02:49:12.000But they don't know about how Stonehenge...
02:49:13.000They don't know how Stonehenge is built either.
02:49:15.000But this is much more complex and much larger and enormous.
02:49:18.000And on top of that, only 5% of that area has been excavated.
02:49:21.000They've found tons of them that exist around that area that haven't been dung up yet by use of LIDAR and all this different stuff they used to find with things that are under the surface.
02:49:32.000I wonder what they'll find after this horrific earthquake.
02:49:50.000I was like, I've got to get out of California.
02:49:52.000So this is the pushback, is that these archaeologists who have staked their careers on this very specific timeline, they don't want to accept new information.
02:50:01.000So they're being very dogmatic about it.
02:50:15.000But it turns out these experts are being challenged, like in many other places, by people that are independent researchers that are objective and open-minded and are just dealing with the evidence.
02:50:23.000On top of this, the Younger Drives Impact Theory, you have a specific set of scientists that only study impacts that are absolutely convinced that this happened based on real hard physical data.
02:53:15.000You'll see one of the cool things in some of the places where you go and look, you'll see where like the Coptic Christians, am I saying that right?
02:54:03.000But when you hear Randall Carlson and Graham Hancock, these guys that have dedicated decades to discovering this, they think that this is very clear evidence that humanity is – that human beings are a species with amnesia.
02:54:18.000We think that we are on a linear time path of progression and technological evolution.
02:54:40.000That they use this to move these rocks and cut these things and put them in place in this incredible precision that we don't even understand today how they did it.
02:54:51.000And the fact that these people, even if it happened at 2,500 BC, it's still fucking amazing that 4,500 years ago people were that sophisticated.
02:55:02.000Yeah, that was the thing that struck me the most when I was there, was when you actually see that stuff in person, you're like, how did we know how to do this and forget?
02:56:33.000The fact that this existed thousands and thousands and thousands of years ago, when we thought of people of being just like using fucking copper tools.
02:57:29.000They think that human civilization at one point in time was very, very, very sophisticated and very complex.
02:57:36.000And we are much more advanced than even we are now in terms of our construction methods and our ability to move things and that they had some different kind of technology.
02:57:45.000And if we think of our technology currently, right, and compare our technology currently to the technology of just 500 years ago, which is nothing but...
02:58:10.000You have nothing that we enjoy today that we think of as sophisticated modern technology.
02:58:15.000So all this stuff can emerge so quickly today that if you imagine They used to think that human beings in this particular form, the way we are now, we're only like 50,000 years old or 100,000 years old.
02:58:26.000Now they're going back 200,000 years ago, 300,000 years ago.
03:00:01.000And he talks about it from kind of an environmental, you know, talking about it, looking at all the harm we've caused environmentally, say, how long would it take for the...
03:00:12.000Radioactive waste and CO2 that's in the oceans, etc.
03:00:16.000It's not by Earth's standards that long.
03:00:19.000And then you look at what we leave behind and it's not really that great.
03:00:23.000Well, the thing is, what we leave behind, if you think of our sophisticated structures, like the World Trade Center, the new tower, that would be gone in a few thousand years.
03:00:31.000It would rot away and it would fall to the ground.
03:00:33.000It would get assimilated back into the Earth.
03:00:36.000But the stone structures of the pyramids wouldn't and won't.
03:00:40.000And that's why we know if the ancient Egyptians didn't construct the pyramids, if they didn't make those things and they got hit, like say if they were at a level of sophistication of like the 1800s people, there would be no evidence.
03:00:56.000There was an old castle that managed to survive for a very long time that just got destroyed.
03:01:02.000And then you see when the Taliban goes into places, they'll start blowing up all of the antiquities because apparently life doesn't exist before, you know.
03:01:18.000Yeah, there's always going to be people that destroy the past.
03:01:22.000There's always going to be people that think that their current ideology is the only one and that the people of the past were devil worshippers or Satan.
03:04:48.000I want to just, that's why when you say do what you want to do, I am doing what I, I love making people laugh about the news cycle because it's absurd.
03:05:15.000And I love being able to just put out creative—it's so hard to—it's so easy to destroy and easy to go online and toss bombs and easy to—and I feel like a lot of those people, it's like, take that energy and go create something.
03:05:29.000The problem with creating is creating leaves you vulnerable, whereas destroying, you're constantly on the offensive.
03:05:36.000It's easy to do, but it doesn't do anything other than get you attention.
03:05:39.000And I don't think it's that fulfilling.
03:05:45.000All those people that attack people constantly online, they're all psychologically damaged, and a lot of them fall off after a while because they can't take it anymore.
03:05:52.000Do you think that the comics who are engaged in lots of drama, is it just a way to distract from having to do any work?
03:05:59.000Well, there's that, and they're all mediocre.
03:06:01.000One of the things you notice about the comics that are constantly engaging, attacking people, they're not very good.
03:06:14.000And changing the way you view the world and changing how you express yourself and also being a little bit more self-aware and a little bit more aware of how other people view things and whether or not you can contribute in a positive way instead of a negative way.
03:08:07.000All you're doing is like patting your own ego and you're attacking people because you think that these people haven't passed your purity test.
03:08:13.000But what's hilarious is when that purity test comes back on them and they get fucking devastated.
03:08:21.000And you can't lose yourself to bitterness, you know, and that's like we were talking about earlier.
03:08:25.000It's easy to believe that you are being suppressed or like the algorithms against you, but that lends itself to falling into a trap of thinking that you're a victim, thinking in this way that isn't, it's not productive.
03:08:40.000A lot of it is narcissism because you're upset that other people are getting more attention than you and you feel like you deserve more and you attack those people that get attention instead of doing something that's positive and worthwhile and that resonates with people.