The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #239

00:00:07.000 It is with great sadness that I tell you that this Joe Rogan Experience is not brought to you by the fleshlight.

00:00:14.000 We've come to the end of our long road with the fleshlight and they've been they were the first sponsor ever on the Joe Rogan Experience podcast and we appreciate the fuck out of that.

00:00:24.000 They took a chance when we were on a laptop with snowflakes in the background and we did two hard years together and we hope two really hard years.

00:00:33.000 We hope that we sold you a lot of fake pussies.

00:00:37.000 That's what we sincerely hope.

00:00:38.000 We hope that our relationship was profitable and we just want to say that you guys are cool as fuck and we enjoyed working with you and best of luck in all you do with your rubber pussies in the future.

00:00:51.000 If you have a solid product and it was an honor to represent you in the field of battle.

00:00:58.000 Joe, let's do a moment of science real quick, okay?

00:01:01.000 Do one what?

00:01:01.000 A moment of moment of silence.

00:01:03.000 Ready?

00:01:05.000 Okay, we're good.

00:01:08.000 We're not sponsored by Alienware.

00:01:09.000 People keep asking because we changed laptops.

00:01:12.000 We only are doing this because I think it's a good idea to support companies who support MMA.

00:01:19.000 And Alienware stepped up and them and Dell, that's a big deal.

00:01:25.000 When a company like Alienware starts sponsoring fighters, I mean, when I see that Alien logo on fighter shorts, that's a big deal to me.

00:01:32.000 It's like that's a big fucking company.

00:01:33.000 Like an Anderson Silva wore Burger King.

00:01:35.000 I don't eat Burger King, but if I was going to eat Burger King, I would eat Burger King because they sponsored Anderson Silva.

00:01:40.000 Not that Anderson needs it as much as MMA gets a lot of these fighters, what they get, how they get money for training and to pay for.

00:01:50.000 It's not just their salaries from fighting.

00:01:52.000 It's from their sponsors.

00:01:54.000 So if you see young guys and they're fighting, you know, for $10,000 or whatever it is, you don't get paid a lot of money when nobody knows who you are.

00:02:02.000 You get paid a lot of money when you can sell tickets.

00:02:04.000 But what keeps these young guys going is, especially companies like Alienware, like really high-profile companies, when they start putting their logos on your shorts, that means that there's a big company that's invested.

00:02:17.000 There's a big company that's stepping up.

00:02:19.000 I think that should be rewarded.

00:02:21.000 And that's why we decided to do this.

00:02:24.000 And we're working with Sucker Punch Entertainment and Alienware MMA.

00:02:29.000 And they hooked us up with some laptops.

00:02:31.000 And we're trying to support a company that supports MMA.

00:02:33.000 And by the way, these are not cheap laptops.

00:02:35.000 They're fucking expensive.

00:02:36.000 But they kick some serious ass.

00:02:39.000 If you want to play games on laptops, these things are the shit.

00:02:42.000 And people are like, well, you can make it yourself for cheaper.

00:02:44.000 Maybe you could.

00:02:45.000 I don't know.

00:02:46.000 I don't know how you make it.

00:02:46.000 You can't really make a laptop.

00:02:47.000 It's as good as these.

00:02:48.000 I don't mean.

00:02:48.000 You can buy shells for laptops and you can kind of do it, but you're not going to make a fucking alien with your laptop.

00:02:53.000 If you can afford it, though, they are the shit.

00:02:56.000 I mean, the frame rates and these things are ridiculous.

00:02:58.000 You watch full resolution games on these things.

00:03:02.000 They're very fun.

00:03:02.000 The one I use is even 3D, which is a fucking trip when you're really, really baked and you want to play some games in 3D in your bed.

00:03:09.000 Yeah.

00:03:10.000 It's a very solid gaming laptop, and we support them.

00:03:13.000 And we support Alienware Period for nothing, for free.

00:03:16.000 Or sort of.

00:03:18.000 Sort of, you know, got some free shit.

00:03:20.000 Get a little money out of it.

00:03:22.000 We are also sponsored by Onit.com.

00:03:24.000 That's O-N-N-I-T.

00:03:25.000 Makers of Alpha Brain.

00:03:27.000 I haven't even taken mine yet.

00:03:29.000 Fuck, I'm getting insecure now.

00:03:30.000 Did you hear that Onit rattlesnake?

00:03:32.000 Is that the Onit rattlesnake?

00:03:35.000 I just got my battle rope.

00:03:38.000 I just got battle ropes in the mail.

00:03:40.000 Tell me some of the time, Alpha Brain.

00:03:41.000 Time to get caveman style in the backyard.

00:03:44.000 Scare the neighbors, you know, let some bitches know.

00:03:47.000 Yeah, when you hear your neighbor doing kettlebells in the backyard, you hear, that's a dude.

00:03:52.000 Like, you're probably not going to want to invite that guy over to the barbecue.

00:03:55.000 Fucking weirdo.

00:03:56.000 Especially you, man.

00:03:58.000 You make me uncomfortable when we go work out together.

00:04:01.000 Well, dude, if you're working out correctly, it's really hard.

00:04:05.000 You've got to work out to the point where your body's failing.

00:04:08.000 You just do it with a ball gag in your mouth and work out.

00:04:11.000 That would be hard to do.

00:04:11.000 Well, they basically have something like that.

00:04:13.000 They have this thing called the training mask.

00:04:15.000 And Boss Rutin has one called the Boss.

00:04:18.000 I think it's the Boss O2 something or another.

00:04:21.000 And you breathe through it.

00:04:22.000 And it restricts your air.

00:04:24.000 It gives you tiny air holes to breathe in.

00:04:26.000 Yeah, I remember that.

00:04:26.000 Yeah, Boss Rutan sits in your mouth kind of crazy, like this big giant mouthpiece.

00:04:30.000 But the other one, the elevation mask, it's got little hoses on it and shit.

00:04:37.000 It's very controversial, by the way.

00:04:39.000 Scientifically, not really supported.

00:04:42.000 It's not really supported that that improves your oxygen.

00:04:45.000 And it certainly doesn't do training at altitude does.

00:04:49.000 What training at altitude does is you live in a place and you stay overnight and sleep in a place where there's a very high altitude, very low oxygen, your body naturally overproduces red blood cells to compensate for the lack of oxygen.

00:05:00.000 That doesn't mean that when you restrict your oxygen, your body makes more red blood cells.

00:05:05.000 It just means it's harder to breathe.

00:05:07.000 I mean, it's kind of a better workout, but it's also kind of not a better workout because you're not able to work out as hard because you can't breathe as hard.

00:05:14.000 So unless you're in absolutely perfect shape, the benefit of it is probably negligible.

00:05:19.000 I don't know what the fuck this has to do with anything we're talking about, but that's why I wouldn't work out with a ball gag.

00:05:27.000 I just don't think that shit would work.

00:05:28.000 I just want to hear you doing your, because when you don't have a ball gag in and you're working out, it sounds sexual, sounds like really intense.

00:05:35.000 No, to everybody in the gym.

00:05:37.000 Girls are like fucking like pushing closer to the elliptical.

00:05:41.000 If you're going to do it, you should do it.

00:05:43.000 Guys are fanky.

00:05:43.000 If you're going to do it, you should actually...

00:05:44.000 I can't actually...

00:05:49.000 I don't believe in those.

00:05:51.000 I think if you're going to work out, you should work out.

00:05:52.000 If you're going to work out, you're going to make some noise.

00:05:55.000 Don't be scared.

00:05:55.000 It sounds very rapey.

00:05:58.000 Those planet fitness places, those are the worst where you're not allowed to moan.

00:06:02.000 Have you seen those places?

00:06:03.000 Oh, yeah.

00:06:04.000 Yeah, you're literally not around to grunt.

00:06:06.000 We don't take, you know, they call you a meathead if you grunt.

00:06:08.000 If you try.

00:06:09.000 It's not sexual, right?

00:06:10.000 Like, if it wasn't sexual sounds, it would not be illegal.

00:06:13.000 A bunch of limp dick dudes that don't want guys to get too strong.

00:06:16.000 That's what that is.

00:06:17.000 There's some weird fucking...

00:06:20.000 Yeah, like, you don't want to go.

00:06:22.000 It's one thing, there are dudes that go way too crazy.

00:06:26.000 There's guys who like use it.

00:06:28.000 No, where they get together.

00:06:28.000 They don't go crazy.

00:06:29.000 Come on, let's go, let's go, let's go.

00:06:31.000 Let's go.

00:06:32.000 We want three more.

00:06:32.000 Three more.

00:06:34.000 There's guys at the gym where it becomes uncomfortable.

00:06:36.000 Like, come on, you bitches.

00:06:37.000 What are you doing?

00:06:38.000 You just make loud sexual noises that echo out throughout 204 hours.

00:06:43.000 Listen, dude, if you're going to deadlift, you should be making some fucking noise.

00:06:46.000 Do you guys still yell lightweight?

00:06:48.000 Lightweight?

00:06:49.000 Ronnie Coleman.

00:06:49.000 No, what is that?

00:06:51.000 Ronnie Coleman used to yell out lightweight?

00:06:53.000 Why lightweight?

00:06:54.000 I used to hear that shit in the gym.

00:06:55.000 It was annoying as hell.

00:06:56.000 I don't understand it.

00:06:57.000 Like, that was what he would say to psych himself up for a big lift.

00:06:59.000 Like, lightweight.

00:07:01.000 Oh, the.

00:07:02.000 And then you hear guys in the gym, all these Ronnie Coleman wannabes chanting that.

00:07:05.000 That guy was so big.

00:07:07.000 When he was big, Jesus Christ was Ronnie Coleman big.

00:07:11.000 He was big, like, what?

00:07:12.000 He was a cop.

00:07:13.000 Like, on a cop doing that.

00:07:15.000 That was the really nut shit about that.

00:07:17.000 And Mr. Olympia.

00:07:17.000 Can you imagine?

00:07:19.000 He was so fucking big.

00:07:22.000 Jesus Christ, that guy was huge.

00:07:24.000 But you know what?

00:07:25.000 He had a big smile.

00:07:26.000 And I can imagine being pulled over by him.

00:07:28.000 You see that.

00:07:28.000 And I bet he was a decent officer.

00:07:31.000 I learned a lot anymore.

00:07:32.000 Probably got all his aggressions out in the gym.

00:07:34.000 I mean, to get that big, you have to work out so fucking hard.

00:07:38.000 I don't care what you're taking.

00:07:40.000 It doesn't just make you grow like that.

00:07:42.000 That guy is working out ridiculously hard.

00:07:45.000 There's something going on outside of steroids.

00:07:47.000 There's a lot of hard work there.

00:07:49.000 So he was probably tired all the time, just smiling.

00:07:52.000 Eating.

00:07:53.000 Yeah.

00:07:53.000 Eating.

00:07:53.000 Always.

00:07:54.000 Constantly.

00:07:55.000 If you're built like the Hulk, you know how much fucking calories you have to scarf down just to stay afloat.

00:08:01.000 Anyway, we're brought to you by what the fuck you doing, man.

00:08:05.000 Brought to you by Anit.com, makers of Alpha Brain.

00:08:08.000 And as we're saying, I just got the battle ropes in the mail.

00:08:11.000 Kettlebells are in.

00:08:12.000 If you haven't used kettlebells to work out, it is my personal favorite exercise.

00:08:16.000 And someone corrected me on my message board.

00:08:18.000 They're actually right.

00:08:19.000 They said that I always say that bench press is an isolation exercise.

00:08:23.000 It does work a bunch of different muscle groups.

00:08:25.000 What I mean is it's an unnatural sort of a thing to just be doing this.

00:08:29.000 And what I like about kettlebells is that it requires you to use your whole body.

00:08:35.000 I mean, when you bench press, I guess you could push off the ground with your feet, and it does have some sort of impact.

00:08:41.000 It's not like I'm against bench press.

00:08:43.000 I mean, I still do conventional weightlifting, too, occasionally.

00:08:46.000 But I think that for me personally, if I had one piece of workout equipment that I would choose to use, it would be the kettlebell.

00:08:54.000 Because you can get an amazing workout with a 35-pound kettlebell.

00:08:57.000 I mean, just break your body down.

00:09:00.000 The kind of endurance strain that's like training jiu-jitsu, like when someone's trying to strangle you.

00:09:06.000 Like, it's the only thing that comes close to making you that tired.

00:09:09.000 It's an incredible workout.

00:09:10.000 And just a 35-pound kettlebell.

00:09:12.000 And it strengthens your whole body.

00:09:13.000 strengthens your core your abs your legs and you really don't You can go look at some of them that are on YouTube.

00:09:24.000 There's a bunch of guys who have great DVDs out there.

00:09:26.000 Mike Mahler is a great one.

00:09:28.000 He's got a great DVD.

00:09:29.000 My friend Steve Maxwell, fantastic DVDs out there.

00:09:33.000 There's always workouts that you can find.

00:09:35.000 And you can watch a DVD and follow along with it and literally get in the best fucking shape of your life.

00:09:42.000 They're amazing for actual physical usable strength.

00:09:48.000 Like if you do anything that requires physical strength and you do kettlebells, it'll make it better.

00:09:53.000 It's really incredible.

00:09:54.000 It just makes your body just stronger as a unit, as opposed to like, say, like bicep curls.

00:10:00.000 That would be a true isolation exercise.

00:10:02.000 Something that's really unnatural, where you're just only really using the biceps and maybe a little bit of the forearms.

00:10:08.000 Like your body doesn't really want to move like that.

00:10:10.000 Your body wants to pick things up and move as a unit.

00:10:14.000 And that, in my opinion, is the best way for fitness to get your body stronger, to do full body exercises like Turkish get-ups.

00:10:21.000 I mean, they're not as romantic as bicep curls.

00:10:24.000 It is true.

00:10:24.000 It's like bicep curls are sexy.

00:10:26.000 It's so romantic.

00:10:27.000 Yeah, in the gym.

00:10:28.000 That's why he screams and moans.

00:10:29.000 Something sexy about it.

00:10:30.000 Yeah, just trying to get big biceps.

00:10:33.000 Exactly.

00:10:33.000 He gets wet.

00:10:34.000 You know, there's something sexy about it.

00:10:36.000 There's something sexy about it.

00:10:37.000 Because if a guy's just working his bis, all he's trying to do is look good.

00:10:40.000 Every man in the gym is having an emotional experience on some level.

00:10:44.000 Yes.

00:10:44.000 That's why I will not be able to do it.

00:10:45.000 You do it right.

00:10:47.000 If you do it right, you've got to get really uncomfortable, man.

00:10:49.000 If you do it right, you've got to feel like shit.

00:10:52.000 My favorite way to feel like shit is with kettlebells.

00:10:54.000 It feels like shit, and then I feel awesome afterwards.

00:10:56.000 That and Hindu squats, a lot of you have been saying, you've been sending me tweets about that you started doing the Hindu squats and what a big difference it makes.

00:11:03.000 It's fucking incredible.

00:11:05.000 It's one of the best exercises you can do.

00:11:07.000 You don't need a gym.

00:11:08.000 Hindu squats, I do 200 of them before I do any workout.

00:11:11.000 And I feel like stopping.

00:11:12.000 I feel like I'm done.

00:11:14.000 Just 200 squats with no weight.

00:11:17.000 You would think there's no way that's going to be easy.

00:11:19.000 That's so easy.

00:11:20.000 It's not.

00:11:20.000 It's fucking hard.

00:11:22.000 And it gets hard at around like 60.

00:11:24.000 Like around 60, you're like shit.

00:11:26.000 And then you're into 70.

00:11:27.000 And then you hit 100 and you're like, another 100 of these bitches.

00:11:30.000 It's fucking great to do.

00:11:32.000 And it's not like a high weight exercise.

00:11:35.000 It develops your leg strength without really putting yourself in like precarious positions with weights on your back.

00:11:40.000 So it's a good way to start a base of training as well.

00:11:44.000 Instead of like if you're not really a guy who works out at all and you're thinking, man, I want to get in shape, don't go crazy and just immediately start doing squats.

00:11:51.000 Our friend Kevin Pereira was in here yesterday and is all fucked up because of that very reason because he didn't work out and then all of a sudden he was doing crazy fucking power lifts three times a day.

00:12:01.000 Anyway, point is, go to onit.com.

00:12:03.000 This is our only sponsor.

00:12:04.000 We only have one sponsor now.

00:12:06.000 Onit is the spot.

00:12:08.000 We only have one sponsor and you still managed to have a 15 fucking minute commercial.

00:12:12.000 Three dream sponsors.

00:12:13.000 What would your three dream sponsors be?

00:12:16.000 We'd have to think about that.

00:12:17.000 Let's think about that.

00:12:18.000 Mine's Jack Daniels number one.

00:12:19.000 That would be fun.

00:12:20.000 You have to evolve from the fleshlight to the real doll, don't you?

00:12:24.000 It's not evolution.

00:12:25.000 The real doll is creepy as fuck.

00:12:27.000 The fleshlight, you're just putting something over your dick.

00:12:29.000 The real doll is you're pretending that's a woman.

00:12:31.000 Isn't that a relative creepiness?

00:12:33.000 Yes, it's totally relevant.

00:12:35.000 But the actual fiber of the fleshlight is superior, supposedly.

00:12:39.000 I shouldn't say fiber, texture.

00:12:40.000 Yeah, but have you ever used a Jack Daniels bottle?

00:12:42.000 As a fleshlight?

00:12:43.000 My dick is way too big for that, son.

00:12:45.000 No, not if you break it off at the end.

00:12:47.000 Shut the fuck up.

00:12:48.000 Brian, you're making no sense.

00:12:50.000 You're going to make me end this commercial.

00:12:51.000 If that is your strategy, it's over.

00:12:54.000 Go to onit.com, use the code name Rogan, and save yourself 10% off any of the supplements.

00:13:00.000 The kettlebells have been selling like crazy, and the positive results that I'm getting from people who are really enjoying the workouts on Twitter that are coming like crazy too.

00:13:07.000 I thank you very much.

00:13:08.000 I don't get behind anything unless I 100% believe in it.

00:13:12.000 Even the fleshlight.

00:13:13.000 If you want a beat off, that's better.

00:13:15.000 But with onit.com, everything we sell, especially the supplements, the first 30 pills, there is a 100% money-back guarantee.

00:13:21.000 You don't have to return anything.

00:13:22.000 Just say, this shit is not for me.

00:13:24.000 And you get your money back.

00:13:26.000 We're that confident that, one, we're selling you something that you're going to enjoy and it's going to help you.

00:13:30.000 And two, I don't want anybody to feel ripped off, period.

00:13:33.000 I'm way more concerned about having people feel like this is an even transaction and this is a good deal for them than I am about making money.

00:13:42.000 Use the code name Rogan.

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00:13:45.000 Your last name, I pronounce it, Kokesh, right?

00:13:48.000 I don't want to fuck this up.

00:13:49.000 As long as you don't say Kokish.

00:13:50.000 I wouldn't say that, dude.

00:13:51.000 Kokesh, Kokesh.

00:13:52.000 Adam, Kokesh is here.

00:13:54.000 Ladies and gentlemen, we're going to get down to the nitty-gritty.

00:14:00.000 We're going to figure some shit out, maybe.

00:14:03.000 I'm not promising.

00:14:04.000 We will.

00:14:04.000 I am.

00:14:05.000 Okay, he's promising.

00:14:06.000 Play the music.

00:14:08.000 No.

00:14:10.000 Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

00:14:12.000 The Joe Rogan experience.

00:14:14.000 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night.

00:14:17.000 All day.

00:14:22.000 Thank you for enduring that commercial.

00:14:24.000 You were here for a very emotional moment for us, the loss of the fleshlight and your sponsor.

00:14:29.000 And I'm glad we got through that together.

00:14:32.000 I understand the deep emotional connection you can have with masturbatory aids.

00:14:35.000 Absolutely.

00:14:36.000 It's not that.

00:14:37.000 It's that they paid us.

00:14:38.000 That was the deep emotional.

00:14:40.000 And it's a solid product.

00:14:43.000 Controversial, but a solid product.

00:14:45.000 You can totally pull back your microphone off so you don't.

00:14:49.000 See?

00:14:49.000 It stretches out.

00:14:50.000 It's screeching.

00:14:51.000 Yeah, that's part of what we're kind of street like that.

00:14:54.000 A little bit underground, screeching.

00:14:56.000 Distributing to the cells.

00:14:58.000 If I do it at poignant moments.

00:14:59.000 Yeah, man.

00:15:01.000 People know, man, that was a real microphone cord there.

00:15:04.000 Some shit was actually happening.

00:15:05.000 It's the cat clock.

00:15:06.000 You think they like the cat clock?

00:15:08.000 It's snowflake mentality.

00:15:10.000 You think people like the cat clock?

00:15:11.000 I think it makes it sound less professional.

00:15:13.000 You know, people think when it's like all studio and stuff, it's crazy like that.

00:15:16.000 Yeah, but that clock does interrupt your thought process for a second.

00:15:20.000 It wakes you up for a second.

00:15:21.000 Maybe not.

00:15:22.000 Maybe it wakes you up to how retarded you are.

00:15:25.000 You're fucking cat clock.

00:15:26.000 The clock meows every time the hour changes.

00:15:29.000 It's got more Twitter followers on Twitter than most people.

00:15:33.000 The cat clock does.

00:15:34.000 I didn't even know there was a cat clock on Twitter.

00:15:36.000 Yeah, I think it's Redman's cat clock.

00:15:39.000 And it just, it always is like, it's always like, Joe, why are you so mean to me?

00:15:43.000 This is why I have faith in the internet.

00:15:46.000 Oh, the internet is the ultimate balancing act, isn't it?

00:15:49.000 Yeah.

00:15:49.000 That's how we met, man.

00:15:50.000 Dude, you have a hat with your own name on it.

00:15:52.000 I know, it's crazy.

00:15:53.000 And a sticker with your own name on it.

00:15:55.000 Like, you are 100% dedicated to your show.

00:15:58.000 Yeah, well, I stop short at wearing the t-shirt usually because that's a little creepy.

00:16:04.000 The t-shirt and the hat together is ridiculous.

00:16:06.000 Oh, yeah, no, that doesn't happen.

00:16:07.000 But Dice Clay was on stage of the Riviera in Vegas this weekend, and he had a dice shirt on.

00:16:11.000 It was perfect.

00:16:12.000 And then he sells that shirt.

00:16:14.000 It just says dice, and the eye is like a dice, you know, like a dice cube.

00:16:21.000 So you're in good company with a hat with your name on it.

00:16:24.000 Thank you.

00:16:26.000 So how long you been doing this show, Adam vs.

00:16:29.000 The Man?

00:16:29.000 Well, that's a good question because I got to go way back to just even explain how I started to stumble into this.

00:16:36.000 Now in the introduction.

00:16:37.000 Explain to people what your show is or people have never heard of it.

00:16:39.000 Sure.

00:16:40.000 It's AdamVsTheMan.com.

00:16:41.000 I do a daily podcast, except when I'm traveling, like I have been so much recently.

00:16:45.000 But I did one in Denver the other day, but I normally do it out of my apartment in Northern Virginia.

00:16:50.000 So I'm inside the Beltway near Washington, D.C. I feel like I'm dancing around the feet of the Leviathan there, and I'm able to poke the man.

00:16:59.000 I'm able to poke the machine there.

00:17:01.000 But I really hate living there.

00:17:03.000 It's really perfect.

00:17:04.000 But I do my show out of my apartment there, and I do a YouTube channel, youtube.com slash AdamKokesh, K-O-K-E-S-H.

00:17:11.000 And none of what I do is work anymore.

00:17:15.000 I absolutely love it.

00:17:16.000 And I'm obsessed with what I do.

00:17:18.000 I am absolutely committed and driven and passionate about it.

00:17:21.000 I have to smoke weed to slow me down, if anything.

00:17:24.000 But I always do my podcast sober every morning, and we post highlights from that to YouTube.

00:17:30.000 But I started my activism way back in college, libertarians in Claremont, not too far from here.

00:17:37.000 I was at Claremont McKenna.

00:17:38.000 And I didn't really get it.

00:17:40.000 To me, libertarian was, well, I'm not going to be a Republican or a Democrat because that shit's lame, you know?

00:17:45.000 That's just too obvious.

00:17:45.000 Right, right.

00:17:46.000 I'm going to be a libertarian.

00:17:48.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:17:48.000 It's like be an indie.

00:17:49.000 And it was kind of a way of, you know, sticking it to the man to say, yeah, like, down with your rules.

00:17:54.000 We're for drugs and prostitution.

00:17:56.000 And it was that sort of macho flash libertarianism.

00:18:00.000 And my story is really of the deepening of my understanding of the philosophy of this because I went to Iraq in the middle of all this.

00:18:10.000 I was in Fallujah in 2004.

00:18:12.000 I was a reservist while I was going to college and I volunteered for what I called my semester abroad.

00:18:16.000 And I did seven months in Fallujah with the civil affairs team.

00:18:19.000 I was in combat for most of that time.

00:18:22.000 And it was a really intense experience.

00:18:24.000 And coming home and watching the second battle of Fallujah play out on the front page of the New York Times, while I knew that the only reason we saw so many Marines dying was because of the political manipulations of what was happening in the city over the summer that I was there.

00:18:38.000 And I was there February, September 2004.

00:18:41.000 And coming back and realizing that people were dying for political bullshit was a significant turning point for me in wanting to really figure out what was behind this.

00:18:53.000 And this is the thing I think that sets libertarians apart and that I think a lot of people in my audience appreciate about your perspective is that you ask why.

00:18:59.000 And when you don't have good answers, you reject the bullshit and the propaganda and you see past it.

00:19:03.000 And your understanding of foreign policy from that perspective is very appreciated by a lot of veterans who have gone through a similar experience that I have.

00:19:12.000 So I got back and I was active with Iraq Veterans Against the War.

00:19:15.000 I actually moved to D.C. to get a master's in political management.

00:19:18.000 I should say, actually, I got in trouble for bringing a pistol back from Iraq.

00:19:24.000 And it was a really nice one.

00:19:26.000 It was engraved as a gift from Saddam Hussein.

00:19:28.000 It had little gold-plated medallions on the pistol grip.

00:19:31.000 Wow.

00:19:32.000 You got in trouble for bringing that back?

00:19:33.000 Well, it's a long story, but I had it on campus in my car.

00:19:36.000 It got stolen out of my car.

00:19:37.000 And instead of letting it go, I chased the guy down.

00:19:40.000 And there was a campus security guy there.

00:19:42.000 And that's how I got snagged for having it on campus.

00:19:44.000 And it got confiscated.

00:19:45.000 And I tried to go back to Iraq.

00:19:48.000 And this is the thing that really, the flip that they switch in your brain when you go through boot camp these days.

00:19:54.000 And you know, they've heavily developed the psychological process, the conditioning that you go through to make sure that you will obey orders and you will pull the trigger.

00:20:03.000 And the reason I wanted to go back to Iraq was because I didn't get a purple heart the first time.

00:20:07.000 Like I hadn't, I hadn't bled enough.

00:20:10.000 And it really is a sick thing.

00:20:12.000 And this is what makes the military mentality distinct.

00:20:16.000 There is nothing more glorious than dying for your country.

00:20:20.000 And even Patton said, you know, no, it's making the other poor bastard die for his.

00:20:24.000 But in order, you know, it's part of the conditioning, especially in the Marines, where there's that certain machismo, that first to fight attitude.

00:20:30.000 And, you know, there's a noble intent behind it.

00:20:32.000 I wanted to have my life in the line for my country, but really for the people of America, you know, and that was why I enlisted in the first place.

00:20:39.000 So they looked at it as what's the best way to get people to listen to us?

00:20:44.000 What's the best way to get people to do the impossible, to do the unthinkable?

00:20:48.000 You tell them that that's what they're supposed to do.

00:20:50.000 We have to figure out what the best way to program them is.

00:20:53.000 And they figured it out.

00:20:53.000 They nailed it.

00:20:54.000 They got it down.

00:20:55.000 That pride, that fucking, I mean, the training sequences and full metal journey.

00:21:02.000 But you know what?

00:21:03.000 It's not just that, because the lesson to be learned here is that it's everybody, everybody who waves the American flag, the nationalism that's imbued in all of us.

00:21:11.000 It's the same thing to a lesser degree.

00:21:13.000 But it's still a perversion of humanity.

00:21:15.000 It's still a perversion of the way human beings are designed to get along.

00:21:19.000 I think the idea of being American should be an ideal.

00:21:19.000 I agree.

00:21:24.000 It should be an idea that we have in our head.

00:21:27.000 We should look at being American as something we should aspire to.

00:21:31.000 But the idea that somehow or another we're against them or they're against us, like, what the fuck are you talking about, man?

00:21:37.000 We don't even know them.

00:21:38.000 You can tell this to me.

00:21:38.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:21:40.000 And it's not about the arbitrary lines set up by government around this, or it's the American heritage, the American tradition of moving towards greater freedom.

00:21:47.000 And the step that that represented, you know, the whole Revolutionary War is a step forward in the human understanding of liberty.

00:21:54.000 But, you know, it's an idea that's global.

00:21:56.000 It's essential to the human nature.

00:21:58.000 And now we see that America, as defined by any specific thing other than that, is, let's be honest, kind of fucking disgusting.

00:22:04.000 Yeah, and it's scary.

00:22:06.000 And America should be what we can contribute.

00:22:11.000 What is our potential?

00:22:12.000 Our potential to contribute is so much greater.

00:22:15.000 America's not the military-industrial complex.

00:22:17.000 America is the best fucking music that's ever been created.

00:22:20.000 America is the best movies that's ever been created.

00:22:22.000 The most creativity, the most design, the most all that shit.

00:22:25.000 I mean, and I love my friends in Europe.

00:22:27.000 I love the Japanese.

00:22:28.000 I'm not saying that I did any of this.

00:22:30.000 I'm not taking any credit for this.

00:22:32.000 I'm a fucking idiot.

00:22:33.000 I've never invented shit in my life.

00:22:35.000 But if I look at it objectively, even if I lived in Spain, I would tell you this.

00:22:38.000 I'd be like, look at this freak motherfucker country that in 200 years exploded onto the map, covered the globe with weapons, controlled the whole thing, locked it all down, started wars like, whoa, what a crazy little country you guys got.

00:22:55.000 And then got really fat and stupid.

00:22:57.000 Yeah, it's fat and lazy in a lot of ways.

00:23:00.000 A lot of dumb shit going on.

00:23:01.000 Well, it's just corruption.

00:23:02.000 You can't maintain a steady ship with a constant flow of corruption.

00:23:08.000 Eventually, it just goes off the rails.

00:23:10.000 Eventually, it's not going to balance out.

00:23:13.000 You're not being honest about how you're running things.

00:23:15.000 This whole thing is disgusting.

00:23:17.000 It's not like there was a threat that we needed to go after.

00:23:22.000 You guys are creating problems so you can capitalize on resources.

00:23:25.000 It couldn't be any more obvious.

00:23:27.000 That's kind of the definition of government, though.

00:23:29.000 But it's the scariest thing ever that most people would never believe that if you told them that.

00:23:35.000 They would say, that is hippie bullshit.

00:23:37.000 That is nonsense.

00:23:39.000 Who the fuck do you think you are to think like that?

00:23:42.000 What kind of a person are you?

00:23:44.000 This is America.

00:23:45.000 Well, you know, you said it in, you know, I listened to your podcast with Giorgio Sucolos, and you said, you know, with aliens, like everybody's looking for a daddy, and it's this, you know, manifestation of that psychological desire to be taken care of.

00:24:00.000 And what's worse is with government, for a lot of people, you said it was aliens, and it was God and religion, and I don't know what else.

00:24:08.000 You said a couple other things, but you didn't say it was government, you know, and that's the big one.

00:24:12.000 And that's the global paradigm.

00:24:15.000 That's like the phase of evolution that we're at in humanity that we're seeing the institutionalizational collapse of.

00:24:23.000 This is all centered around the scam of the central banks, of the fiat currency, because that's how they really rip us off.

00:24:29.000 Everything else is about control, but that's the real incentive.

00:24:31.000 It's all about exploitation.

00:24:34.000 That's what motivates everything.

00:24:35.000 That's what motivates government.

00:24:36.000 The banking system is so confusing for people.

00:24:39.000 When you say the banking system, it's like you might as well just be making some noises with your mouth.

00:24:43.000 Nobody really even understands what the fuck is going on.

00:24:45.000 It's propaganda.

00:24:46.000 It's designed to make you confused.

00:24:48.000 And when you look at how much money they have and you go, wait a minute, wait a minute, what is that exactly?

00:24:52.000 Because what the fuck do you do that you get all these ones and zeros?

00:24:57.000 Where's it all coming from?

00:24:59.000 How do you work that?

00:25:00.000 Well, here's why they don't teach economics in high school, though.

00:25:02.000 I mean, because the basic concepts that anybody can understand would have you very easily come to the conclusion with a very sound basis of rationale and understanding of economic framework to get to the point where you can know, really, really know, we're getting fucked.

00:25:18.000 That like all of the exponential increases in productivity that should lead to an increase in quality of life for everybody, it's still going up.

00:25:25.000 And we still see it, you know, the fact that we have smartphones and computers and all this shit, you know, and that the average American is so much better off.

00:25:32.000 That's still an exponential growth.

00:25:33.000 But what it would really be if you didn't have everybody who's on the teat of government sucking all this wealth away would have us, you know, in flying cars by now.

00:25:42.000 I mean, I know that sounds crazy, but you see the wealth that's being sucked away and what the implication is of that.

00:25:48.000 We are getting fucked.

00:25:49.000 And what's worse is that we're institutionalizing a system that is not just a system that robs from us, but that kills people.

00:25:57.000 That's the police state, the military-industrial complex, the spasms of statism.

00:26:03.000 but what government fundamentally is, is the institutionalization of all of our desires to control and dominate and manipulate others by force.

00:26:11.000 It's pathological behavior.

00:26:13.000 It's pathological and it's based on fear.

00:26:15.000 It's based on putting fear into its citizens and being afraid of the other people in the world.

00:26:20.000 The other people are not us.

00:26:22.000 And, you know, until we figure out a way to treat everyone that we meet in this life as if it was you living another life, until the world can adopt and develop that attitude, we're always going to have cunts that are going to lead us against other cunts.

00:26:37.000 I mean, that's just the way it is.

00:26:39.000 We are a flawed, fucked up species, and somehow or another, we still have the echoes and remnants of bygone sword fights in our fucking DNA.

00:26:51.000 You know, that shit still rattles around inside our head, and at the highest levels of government, they're willing to just sacrifice lives for money at a drop of a hat.

00:27:01.000 They're not worried about it at all.

00:27:03.000 And they're going to go and clean up afterwards and make money on that as well.

00:27:06.000 Oh, yeah.

00:27:07.000 I mean, it's a staggering business that's based on 100% horseshit.

00:27:11.000 The idea that no one went to jail after that whole weapons and mass destruction thing in Iraq, the fact that none of those cunts went to jail for lying about weapons of mass destruction being in Iraq, just that alone.

00:27:23.000 It just shows you, like, what the fuck did you do?

00:27:26.000 Like, how do you not go to jail for that?

00:27:29.000 If you can't go to jail for that, how are you trying to pretend that this is a just system?

00:27:33.000 You guys made some shit up about weapons of mass destruction purposely to get people to go to war, and then a million people are dead now.

00:27:41.000 And you don't think you fucked up?

00:27:44.000 You think that was the smart move.

00:27:45.000 Whoa.

00:27:46.000 But you know why that's possible?

00:27:48.000 Because the people that supported it would rather live with that cognitive dissonance than face up to the truth.

00:27:56.000 Yeah, I guess.

00:27:57.000 It's also just.

00:27:59.000 It's harder because we have such a psychological investment in America, in our national.

00:28:04.000 We're Americans, you know?

00:28:06.000 That is who we are.

00:28:07.000 And it's like, no, you're a human being.

00:28:10.000 You have to see past that.

00:28:11.000 But when you meet nice people from other countries and you're like, poor fuck, though, he's Canadian.

00:28:15.000 He can't be American.

00:28:17.000 People think like that.

00:28:19.000 You meet someone in Norway, man.

00:28:21.000 Poor guy, born in Norway and shit.

00:28:24.000 He's having a great time.

00:28:26.000 We have a very distinct and intense form of nationalism because we're such a war culture.

00:28:33.000 I mean, we don't want to think of ourselves as that.

00:28:34.000 We think of ourselves as educated, enlightened people.

00:28:37.000 But as a collective, if we really are accepting the fact that we move as a group, damn, we're doing some shitty things.

00:28:43.000 You know what, though?

00:28:44.000 No one, I don't think anyone is honestly even, that's the thing.

00:28:47.000 They're not even looking at all everybody who's looking at it like you are, you know, with an honest eye can see through all that.

00:28:54.000 And it's the result of people not even thinking.

00:28:58.000 Because as soon as you think on that level, you want to change it.

00:29:00.000 And really, that's what this movement that we think of ourselves right now is a part of, the Levolution, that's really our objective.

00:29:08.000 Do you think that in the past they were able to get things off much easier?

00:29:13.000 So they have this sort of pattern of behavior and the way they do business as far as how we go to war, like the Gulf of Tonkin type shit, where they could get away with stuff like that in the past.

00:29:24.000 But today, this sort of the same group are basically in charge.

00:29:28.000 I mean, they've evolved somewhat.

00:29:30.000 But, I mean, there's photos of Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam Hussein.

00:29:33.000 You know, I mean, a long time ago, was it the Reagan administration?

00:29:37.000 Is that what it was from?

00:29:38.000 It was during the Iran-Iraq war when we were supporting Iraq.

00:29:41.000 Yeah, Jesus fucking Christ.

00:29:42.000 I mean, we, we, excuse me, you know what?

00:29:44.000 I got to stop myself there.

00:29:45.000 See, that's how fucked up this is.

00:29:47.000 This is how ingrained is in the paradigm.

00:29:48.000 You know, even when I'm talking about the worst fucking shit that government does, the most offensive shit, I, and I, I, you know, I cuss on my show, and I get shit for my audience sometimes.

00:29:59.000 But I said.

00:30:00.000 They're all silly.

00:30:02.000 I'm going to have a curse jar.

00:30:04.000 I'm going to put a curse jar.

00:30:05.000 And every time I use statist collectivist language, every time I say we to refer to myself as part of the evil federal government that commits these crimes, I am going to punish myself by putting a quarter in the real curse star.

00:30:18.000 Sounds like something John Hefron would do.

00:30:19.000 At the end of the ladder, at the top of the ladder, it really is a bunch of old white dudes with war money.

00:30:26.000 I mean, that's really what it is.

00:30:27.000 Like, when you look at the people that run Halliburton, you look at Dick Cheney, you look at, you know, there's old white dudes with war money.

00:30:35.000 I mean, they're in the business of war.

00:30:37.000 If you look at the percentage of the income that Halliburton, how much they profit off the war, that's a staggering number.

00:30:44.000 As disgusting as that war money is for Halliburton, what it's really about is the bankster money.

00:30:49.000 It's about the money that goes through the financial system that flows faster for war.

00:30:54.000 But you know what?

00:30:56.000 Let me tell you my long view perspective here because I'm much more optimistic.

00:31:00.000 And when you understand government to be pathological behavior, whenever you say we need government for something, you're saying we can't solve this peacefully.

00:31:09.000 We need to somehow, as the majority, impose our will on the minority, or we need to take money from people by force because they're not charitable enough or they don't care about their own defense enough or whatever it is.

00:31:19.000 We can't do it peacefully.

00:31:21.000 We need force.

00:31:22.000 We need coercion.

00:31:24.000 And it really comes out of the monkey brain.

00:31:26.000 It comes out of that when we evolved in the state of nature, it was in our best interest that whoever was the biggest, whoever could pick up the biggest rock was in charge.

00:31:36.000 And you go along to get along, otherwise you don't eat tonight.

00:31:39.000 And we're evolving past that.

00:31:41.000 And as we develop greater technological dominance over our environment, as we are better able to process information, all of these things are leading to the evolution towards a stateless society.

00:31:53.000 We are evolving past this phase of statism.

00:31:57.000 And like you were saying about what they get away with in war, to answer your question, you know, they get away with less.

00:32:03.000 It's harder to come up with an excuse now.

00:32:05.000 I mean, look at, you know, and it's really sad to see that we're marching to war in Iran, but I've made the prediction for a while now that we'd see boots on the ground in Syria first because it's much better propaganda to have a humanitarian war where we can save a bunch of people from an evil dictator than, well, it's the clash of nations and we're trying to keep Iran from arming themselves.

00:32:24.000 And that propaganda is kind of wearing thin.

00:32:25.000 But it's scary now to see they might get away with that.

00:32:28.000 They might get a war in Iran.

00:32:30.000 And it's all absolutely, I mean, in the 21st century, with the historical perspective that we have, is war just not fucking embarrassing at this point?

00:32:39.000 Yeah, it should be.

00:32:40.000 You know, what's fascinating to me is this thing that's going on in Pakistan.

00:32:43.000 If that isn't racist, I don't know what is, this flying of drones that shoot missiles and blow up citizens.

00:32:50.000 It's cowardly.

00:32:50.000 Obama's a fucking murderer.

00:32:52.000 It's ridiculous.

00:32:53.000 The idea that we just accept it.

00:32:55.000 Look, I believe you that there's some bad Taliban guys out there that want to commit terrible things, and we need to get to them.

00:33:01.000 But you need to be a little bit more accurate, bitch.

00:33:04.000 Imagine if they were using those things in Germany or Japan or anywhere that we're allies with, and it caused this kind of damage.

00:33:11.000 But the fact that it's happening in Pakistan, like...

00:33:16.000 Yeah, what are they doing?

00:33:18.000 They lost a donkey.

00:33:20.000 Yeah.

00:33:21.000 Yeah, I mean, these poor fucks.

00:33:22.000 They look at them like they're living a shit life anyway.

00:33:26.000 Well, you know, one of the things that they have done recently with the Taliban, they've said that they're going to stop administering polio vaccines if they don't stop the drone strikes because the PTSD that they are causing in the population is worse than having fucking polio.

00:33:42.000 I mean, how sick is this?

00:33:43.000 But I got a quote here.

00:33:44.000 This is Anwar al-Alaki, the New Mexico-born man that was killed in Yemen by a drone strike ordered by Obama.

00:33:52.000 His 16-year-old son was also murdered the same way a week later.

00:33:56.000 You probably heard that story, Abdul Rahman al-Alaki.

00:33:59.000 And he was made out to be the great propagandist for al-Qaeda.

00:34:04.000 This is the quote from him.

00:34:05.000 Our position needs to be reiterated and needs to be very clear.

00:34:08.000 The fact that the U.S. has administered the death and homicide of over 1 million civilians in Iraq, the fact that the United States is supporting the deaths of killing of thousands of Palestinians does not justify the killing of one U.S. civilian in New York City or Washington, D.C. And the deaths of 6,000 civilians in New York and Washington, D.C. does not justify the death of one civilian in Afghanistan.

00:34:31.000 That doesn't sound like a terrorist.

00:34:34.000 That sounds like a guy who's making sense.

00:34:36.000 No shit.

00:34:37.000 That's why I'm kind of afraid to be in this line of work myself.

00:34:40.000 Yeah, it's a creepy line of work when they can just label you.

00:34:43.000 You know, I mean, no one wants to look at it from this side that perhaps the United States has done some heinous things.

00:34:48.000 There's a reason why these people want to do something to us.

00:34:51.000 And there we go, us.

00:34:54.000 To the citizens of this great nation.

00:34:56.000 In a way, they're smarter than us because our reaction culturally is dehumanization.

00:34:56.000 But you know what?

00:35:02.000 It's an implicit racism.

00:35:04.000 For us, they're smarter.

00:35:06.000 They actually come at it strategically.

00:35:08.000 They want to change our behavior.

00:35:10.000 They want us to stop bombing them.

00:35:12.000 And maybe I'm not endorsing terrorism, obviously.

00:35:16.000 But if anything, their anger is much more aware and directed at the U.S. government.

00:35:22.000 Well, my whole position is that we're not innocent.

00:35:25.000 The United States government, we, whatever's over there, we're not innocent.

00:35:30.000 It's that simple.

00:35:31.000 So if we're not innocent, we have to take some sort of responsibility, or they have to take some sort of responsibility for the repercussions.

00:35:38.000 If you're doing something that's fucked up and the people are dying, you've got to know that you've done something terrible and you need to make amends.

00:35:45.000 You need to fix this whole thing.

00:35:46.000 You can't just get out of there now.

00:35:49.000 You can't just get out of there and leave it behind.

00:35:51.000 Some fucking crazy civil war.

00:35:53.000 Well, that's the denial that America is in.

00:35:56.000 And if I may, the next part of my story was coming back from Iraq getting in trouble with this, trying to go back to get a Purple Heart.

00:36:04.000 And when I got out of the Marines, I had been, you know, as a sergeant who spoke Arabic with civil affairs experience, pissed off because I was managing a barracks and mowing lawns for most of a year.

00:36:13.000 And I got out and I was disgruntled.

00:36:16.000 It was like the day after I got a medal for heroism under fire and all the other crap that I got cited for when I was in Fallujah that took three years to process, they busted me down from sergeant to corporal and I got out.

00:36:27.000 That was the expiration of my contract.

00:36:29.000 Why did they do that?

00:36:31.000 From bringing the pistol back.

00:36:32.000 Because it got through the system and got back to NCIS and yada, yada, yada.

00:36:36.000 So I got in trouble for that.

00:36:37.000 So you never got that pistol back?

00:36:38.000 No.

00:36:39.000 I know.

00:36:40.000 But I did get to fire it a couple times.

00:36:42.000 Somebody's pistol.

00:36:42.000 Shot him before.

00:36:44.000 Well, an official gift from the regime or something like that.

00:36:47.000 But it was a cool historical piece.

00:36:49.000 I got plenty of guns now.

00:36:52.000 But this is an important thing about who is going to be on the front lines of this revolution right now that we're facing?

00:36:59.000 Who is going to help us evolve past this status paradigm?

00:37:02.000 Who is going to help us push past and see past the collapse of government?

00:37:06.000 Because it's not going to be the people that the system treats well.

00:37:10.000 And this whole thing is set up.

00:37:11.000 You have the propagandizing class.

00:37:14.000 You have the dependent class.

00:37:16.000 You have the enforcement class and the law enforcement and the military.

00:37:20.000 And you have people that are bought into the system at a whole variety of levels.

00:37:25.000 In a way, that's how they get away with it.

00:37:27.000 They make everybody think that they're benefiting from it.

00:37:29.000 And they have people, and it's like if capitalism, a true free market, a natural society where people have property rights is like a rough fabric, when you introduce the Federal Reserve and you have this thing that can create money out of thin air, it's like pulling it up and creating an unnatural spike in concentration of wealth and power.

00:37:46.000 And we have this illusion of capitalism, like we can own property and we can trade.

00:37:49.000 But it's this whole spike where everybody is kind of picked up along with it in this illusion of being able to print money that's worth something.

00:37:58.000 And that's how they manipulate the economy, and that's how people really get screwed.

00:38:01.000 But the first people that are going to be questioning the system aren't going to be the guy that was student body president or captain of the football squad or the cheerleading team.

00:38:10.000 It's going to be the miscreants and the punks and the misfits and the people that were, in a sense, challenging authority naturally because they had something in for it or they had something in their life.

00:38:22.000 And the thing is, right now, it's about being a victim of government.

00:38:26.000 How many people do you know that got arrested and when they got arrested, they turned political, or they started paying attention because then it hits home and they stopped trusting government.

00:38:35.000 And that's a really important thing.

00:38:37.000 And the rest of us have to stop turning a blind eye.

00:38:39.000 And I say the rest of us, again, maybe a bad collectivizing term, but the people that are asleep to this need to stop turning a blind eye and saying, well, I got mine.

00:38:48.000 I'm cool.

00:38:49.000 I got my paycheck because somebody else is getting fucked.

00:38:52.000 And the thing is that's so exciting is that enough people have been fucked now that it's coming to a critical mass, you know, where people are questioning the government.

00:39:01.000 People are waking up.

00:39:02.000 People are saying, we don't need this thing anymore.

00:39:04.000 We are standing up to the bully.

00:39:05.000 And that's what's so fun about what I do now in civil disobedience.

00:39:08.000 Speaking of which, did you get my invitation to the civil society?

00:39:12.000 Yeah, we had a beach party yesterday.

00:39:15.000 Okay.

00:39:15.000 Well, we had a really exciting event.

00:39:18.000 What is a civil disobedience beach party?

00:39:21.000 Sounds like a beach party.

00:39:22.000 We went to the beach.

00:39:23.000 Yeah, I know, in a sense, but oh, man.

00:39:26.000 No, it's where you deliberately go and break as many laws nonviolently as you possibly can.

00:39:30.000 And so we dug holes deeper than 18 inches, and we smoked pot without a license, and we threw footballs and frisbees.

00:39:37.000 You're not allowed to throw footballs and frisbees?

00:39:39.000 Not at the Santa Monica Pier.

00:39:40.000 What?

00:39:41.000 Yeah.

00:39:42.000 Oh, come on.

00:39:43.000 Really?

00:39:43.000 Yeah.

00:39:44.000 No frisbees.

00:39:45.000 Yeah, but see, you know what?

00:39:46.000 What's your normal reaction to that?

00:39:48.000 Oh, fuck it.

00:39:48.000 What's another law?

00:39:49.000 And you walk away.

00:39:50.000 It's so stupid.

00:39:51.000 So, you know, people are, and this is really petty.

00:39:53.000 Well, the real problem is county kids that throw those fucking frisbees too hard and they hit babies.

00:39:58.000 So the answer is to have police go and try to chase them down and issue them $1,000 tickets and they're going to be able to do that.

00:40:02.000 No, the answer is you've got to go back in time to when their parents conceived them and then work with their parents to try to straighten out what their emotional bullshit and make them a shitty parent so that they can deliver a kid that's better functioning in society.

00:40:16.000 But when that kid is all fucked up, you've got to deal with them.

00:40:19.000 Somebody made a fucked up kid, let that fucked up kid get loose, and he's whipping a frisbee around near your two-year-old baby.

00:40:25.000 Okay, but this is why things are getting better.

00:40:28.000 This is the side, because people want to be better parents.

00:40:31.000 And pathological behavior, why do people grow up to be violent criminals?

00:40:35.000 It's usually because they were abused as children in some way.

00:40:37.000 You're right, yeah.

00:40:38.000 It's emotional abuse or physical abuse, but people aren't naturally violent.

00:40:43.000 The natural state is to want to cooperate with fellow human beings.

00:40:46.000 At least that's what we're evolving towards.

00:40:48.000 And so think about it.

00:40:49.000 Like right now, compared to the state of nature, 200,000 years ago, everybody had to work 16 hours a day hunting and gathering to survive.

00:41:00.000 And now the average American can work from when they're 22 to 65, eight hours a day with weekends and vacation time and support a whole family for their lifetime on that.

00:41:09.000 And if anything, it would be a lot less than that without the central banking system that we have today, without the systems of government exploitation robbing that exponential growth, what should be exponential growth in quality of life.

00:41:21.000 And it's still exponential, but not nearly as much as it should be.

00:41:24.000 And what we're coming to, like, how are you going to convince people that you need a welfare state when you can work for one year and save enough money to live at the quality of life that we enjoy today for the rest of your life?

00:41:36.000 And to me, that's what makes it such an exciting time to be alive.

00:41:39.000 And just look at how much less violence there is.

00:41:42.000 And this is a really beautiful thing.

00:41:44.000 You can look at government and be pissed off all you want.

00:41:47.000 And this is where I've come to now as a Zen libertarian, is being able to see this bigger picture.

00:41:53.000 And that the actual average amount of violence that an individual is subject to is at an all-time historic low for as long as we've been able to track it.

00:42:01.000 That's part of that evolution.

00:42:02.000 This is the natural development of life from single-celled organisms, from little molecules bouncing around in the primordial soup together.

00:42:10.000 The essence of life is cooperation, is pooling of resources, of coming together, of energy coming into harmony.

00:42:18.000 And that's what we're going through.

00:42:19.000 And we're seeing this process of two steps forward, one step backwards.

00:42:23.000 And we're in the middle of a big step backwards right now that really is centered around the institutionalization of the Federal Reserve and the modern systems of government going back about 100 years.

00:42:32.000 And within that time, you know, we've had steps forwards, gay rights movement, the women's rights movement, the civil rights movement, not in how they were institutionalized in government, but what they represented for society were steps forward.

00:42:43.000 But we're coming to this major step forward now when we get past this entire paradigm of statism.

00:42:49.000 And it's a beautiful thing to see that as we're able to raise our children nonviolently, as we're able to be better parents, because we have better prosperity and better just the leisure time, the ability to do things that the cavemen couldn't do, and raise children that are emotionally well balanced and don't engage in this pathological behavior that is government.

00:43:10.000 I agree that it seems that if you, you know, you measure our time on earth in comparison to the Greeks or the Romans or anybody who lived in any sort of an ancient civilization, like, yeah, no one's ever had it as good as we have it.

00:43:23.000 As far as the less violence, the more health, the more pleasure, it's like the people being nicer to each other, people understanding the impact of being nice to each other, actually understanding what that's all about now.

00:43:34.000 That's never happened before, the way it's happening now.

00:43:37.000 Well, Americans are fat because we're like citizens of the empire.

00:43:41.000 Yeah, but if you look at the rest of the world, though, if you look at especially the impact on some of the things that are necessary in order to produce the amount of power that's necessary to run this crazy sort of peaceful, easy-going country that we think of as America, where you drive around, there's really not that much crime.

00:44:02.000 Drive around, there's really not that much violence.

00:44:04.000 Well, how are you driving around on gas?

00:44:06.000 Where's that gas coming from, dude?

00:44:08.000 That gas is coming from a place that's getting bombed from the sky with missiles.

00:44:13.000 Apartment buildings are blowing up.

00:44:13.000 And that's where we go.

00:44:15.000 I mean, yeah, people are dying left and right.

00:44:18.000 So is it possible to have all that shit without all the bad shit?

00:44:24.000 Is it even possible to have, in this day and age, or is this like an overclock society?

00:44:29.000 Is the only way to have a society like America possible is if they're at the very top of the food chain doing all sorts of fucked up, unethical shit?

00:44:38.000 Or is it possible to have control over the resources that we have and still be ethical?

00:44:44.000 Is it possible to run a society like this and not do anything fucked up?

00:44:51.000 I think even the way that you're asking that question is reinforcing the state of a paradigm, right?

00:44:57.000 And you think that's going to eventually completely go away?

00:44:59.000 Well, no, yes, but it represents, the framework from which you're coming from, this represents that status paradigm of, you know, how do we have an identity or how do we have a society when you're using government in a way that doesn't clearly define it?

00:45:18.000 And when you really break it down, the only clear way to define government is a group of people with an arbitrary, geographically based monopoly on the initiation of force.

00:45:29.000 That's what sets them apart.

00:45:30.000 Like, if I go and say, you know, put a gun to your head and say, give me your wallet, I can't, you know, that's wrong.

00:45:35.000 Or you can't be a gang member to go to war with another gang and say, look, these guys aren't murderers.

00:45:41.000 They're in my army.

00:45:42.000 I made them go to war with the bad gang.

00:45:45.000 Exactly.

00:45:45.000 What the fuck are you talking about?

00:45:46.000 That's it.

00:45:47.000 I mean, generally, police, you know, and what's sick is that we have to extricate.

00:45:53.000 We have to pull out these legitimate functions of government in order to get rid of it.

00:45:57.000 Like, it's really tricky with the police state, and it's an issue I'm really passionate about.

00:46:01.000 You know, one of the things that kind of put me on the map was the Jefferson Dance Party when I got picked up and body slammed by a police officer at the Jefferson Memorial for dancing in public.

00:46:11.000 Why not?

00:46:12.000 That's my video that's got over a million views.

00:46:16.000 What happened?

00:46:17.000 Pull that shit up, Brian.

00:46:18.000 Where's Brian?

00:46:19.000 He's out of here.

00:46:20.000 You can't get it from the sound anyways, but Brian just vanished.

00:46:24.000 You know, police officers do serve a legitimate function.

00:46:27.000 The problem is that they've got a government monopoly on it.

00:46:30.000 You know, they provide for the public safety, but private security is obviously much better.

00:46:34.000 And when you have this monopoly power, they're not accountable to the people.

00:46:38.000 There's always that detachment.

00:46:39.000 And it's the idea of government.

00:46:41.000 You say, do we need government for society?

00:46:44.000 Government is antithetical to society.

00:46:46.000 If society is defined as how people come up with an identity and come together peacefully and cooperatively and engage in commerce and do productive things, then it's like, you know, how do you, it's like saying, how do you live healthy with a giant leech on your back?

00:46:59.000 You know, is that essential?

00:47:00.000 And it's like, no, no, no, you're not going to be able to do that.

00:47:01.000 Does government have to be a leech?

00:47:03.000 That's the question.

00:47:04.000 Does government have to be that?

00:47:05.000 Is it possible to have a government where it's just, you know, we have a set of values that we put in place in order to help society run better?

00:47:15.000 And that's, we all take place in it.

00:47:18.000 We call that government.

00:47:19.000 It could be not a leech, but it can never by definition be moral and will always then give someone an unjust power that is corrupting.

00:47:26.000 I got to see this video, man.

00:47:29.000 Where's Brian?

00:47:30.000 You want me to vamp?

00:47:34.000 Brian!

00:47:39.000 All right.

00:47:40.000 This is Adam Kogesh taking over the Joe Rogan Experience Podcast.

00:47:43.000 Thank you very much.

00:47:49.000 Dustin, Dustin, Dustin is here.

00:47:52.000 My old co-producer from the radio show.

00:47:54.000 Brian is ridiculous.

00:47:56.000 I'm going to send him a text message.

00:47:57.000 Tell him to get back in here.

00:47:59.000 So explain to me what happened to you.

00:48:01.000 They picked you up and body slammed you.

00:48:03.000 Oh, dude, he wants to see a video, man.

00:48:06.000 I don't want to see it.

00:48:10.000 No, so it's a bit of a story because it goes back like three or four years ago.

00:48:14.000 There was a group of 18 people that were just a bunch of libertarian activists that liked Thomas Jefferson.

00:48:19.000 And so they wanted to go dance because he was the dancing president.

00:48:22.000 I didn't find out about this until after the incident.

00:48:24.000 My Facebook wall got just covered with all these Jefferson quotes about how he liked to dance and bust out the fiddle at the White House and stuff like that.

00:48:32.000 But they went and danced at midnight on Thomas Jefferson's birthday, just as a little like flash mob thing, right?

00:48:38.000 And the security guards came and shoo them out of the memorial.

00:48:44.000 And one of them was dancing out and got arrested.

00:48:47.000 And they were like, what the fuck?

00:48:49.000 And so they tried to fight it in court.

00:48:51.000 And like three years later, the judge said, you know, like, if the judge had said on the grounds of it's improper usage or it's a safety threat or it's like, you know, there was a way that they could have legitimately said there's no dancing.

00:49:04.000 But it's kind of a ridiculous thing to say.

00:49:06.000 Anywhere that you're illegally allowed to be, you don't have control over your body or if you move in a certain way, like that's going to be illegal, you know?

00:49:14.000 So it's kind of absurd on its premise, like most of the things of government, when you really go down to the actual core premise of what it means to be, when you say there should be a law for this or it should be illegal for that.

00:49:28.000 But we decided to go back because the judge said it was not appropriately reverent enough.

00:49:35.000 Reverent?

00:49:36.000 Yes.

00:49:37.000 You had to be reverent of Thomas Jefferson.

00:49:39.000 This is a public memorial where you've got kids spilling drinks and playing with toys and cars and shit like all over the place.

00:49:47.000 And you can't dance.

00:49:48.000 What's the video?

00:49:50.000 If you go to youtube.com slash Adam Kokesh and then search for most viewed.

00:49:56.000 How do you spell Adam Kokesh?

00:49:58.000 K-O-K-E-S-H.

00:50:00.000 K-O-K.

00:50:01.000 What was that?

00:50:02.000 K-O-K-E-S-H.

00:50:03.000 Yes.

00:50:04.000 It's kind of a long video.

00:50:05.000 It's 10 minutes.

00:50:06.000 But so we went back and we decided we were going to start dancing and the cops were waiting for us.

00:50:13.000 So they said, who's in charge here?

00:50:15.000 And we all pointed to Thomas Jefferson and the giant 30-foot statue of him.

00:50:20.000 And this couple that was there just started dancing and they bumped into one of the cops and the cop was like pointing to his goons.

00:50:30.000 Go arrest them.

00:50:32.000 And they're swaying, like hugging, like barely dancing.

00:50:36.000 And so the rest of us were like, well, fuck that.

00:50:38.000 It's on.

00:50:39.000 And I was listening to You Can Do It by Ice Cube.

00:50:43.000 And you can barely call what I was doing dancing.

00:50:46.000 But by the end of this, they picked me.

00:50:48.000 The cop like picked me up and body slammed me because I was resisting with my hands out like this, my hands out in front of me.

00:50:54.000 Like, you know, I'm not violent.

00:50:55.000 And he picked me up and body slammed me and then kneed me in the ribs and choked me on the ground there.

00:51:01.000 And the crazy part is, you know, I was in the Marines.

00:51:04.000 I was on the Marine Corps rugby team.

00:51:06.000 You know, I'm training for MMA right now.

00:51:08.000 But if I didn't know how to fall, I would have fractured my skull.

00:51:14.000 Like, if I had gone limp and flipped back, I just on a marble floor, you know, I would have cracked my skull open.

00:51:20.000 Yeah, you could have died.

00:51:21.000 I could slap shit around, and I was okay.

00:51:25.000 It's the one top in the middle there.

00:51:26.000 They are fast.

00:51:32.000 You can watch the whole thing unfold.

00:51:37.000 Is there somebody that's leading you all here, or are y'all just?

00:51:41.000 This guy body slammed you?

00:51:43.000 Yeah.

00:51:44.000 It's this little chubby guy with probably a really small penis.

00:51:49.000 But that's the people that are authorized to use violence by government.

00:51:54.000 That's the police statement.

00:51:56.000 He's got a sweet bike helmet.

00:51:57.000 Is that what I understand?

00:52:00.000 Unless you live more than 50 miles away from the District of Columbia, you can spend the night So he comes up and he's threatening to arrest us without telling us that there's any law that we would be violating.

00:52:08.000 That's illegal.

00:52:09.000 What are you being charged with?

00:52:11.000 You are too far away from the city to allow citation to reappear.

00:52:16.000 And he just avoids the question.

00:52:18.000 What?

00:52:18.000 What he's asking is in violation.

00:52:20.000 We'll find out.

00:52:21.000 You'll find out.

00:52:22.000 What am I being arrested for?

00:52:22.000 Sir.

00:52:24.000 He's incompetent.

00:52:24.000 You'll find out.

00:52:26.000 You're not telling us under what law, under what authority against this year.

00:52:31.000 What does dancing at all do?

00:52:33.000 Then we try to get a legal definition of dancing.

00:52:35.000 What if you're out of time and you're making movements with your body?

00:52:39.000 That's still dancing.

00:52:41.000 Wow.

00:52:41.000 What if you're out of time and you're making movements with your body?

00:52:43.000 Is that still dancing?

00:52:46.000 Yeah.

00:52:46.000 So look at this.

00:52:47.000 Now he calls over his guns.

00:52:51.000 See, look at that.

00:52:51.000 Look at the little fingerprint.

00:52:53.000 Oh, come on.

00:52:56.000 Stop dancing.

00:52:59.000 Oh, my God.

00:53:00.000 This is crazy.

00:53:02.000 This is nothing, man.

00:53:04.000 This is just the beginning of this.

00:53:05.000 You don't even give me a warning.

00:53:08.000 Oh, my God.

00:53:09.000 These cops are arresting her for dancing.

00:53:11.000 For standing and swaying.

00:53:12.000 You know, it's funny because this happened in New York.

00:53:14.000 So there's me sort of dancing.

00:53:17.000 You didn't even give me a warning.

00:53:20.000 What is your problem?

00:53:22.000 This is crazy.

00:53:23.000 You didn't even give me a warning.

00:53:26.000 So this is what we do now, regular civil disobedience, where we just risk arrest and stand up to the bully that is government.

00:53:34.000 You know, we had the cursing in Middleborough, Massachusetts last week.

00:53:38.000 Wow, this is crazy.

00:53:39.000 They made it illegal to curse.

00:53:41.000 I was in Middleborough, Massachusetts.

00:53:41.000 Did you hear that story?

00:53:43.000 We went back and had a protest instead.

00:53:45.000 We were just free fucking speech demonstration.

00:53:47.000 You hate America, God.

00:53:49.000 You hate freedom.

00:53:50.000 So it wouldn't be complete with a little stare down with the cops there.

00:53:52.000 And I really didn't think I was going to get arrested, actually.

00:53:55.000 I thought what is this dude saying?

00:53:57.000 You hate America, you hate freedom.

00:53:58.000 You saying that to the cop?

00:53:59.000 Yep.

00:54:02.000 So this is where it starts to get ugly.

00:54:17.000 So he's like reaching out and punching him in the chest.

00:54:21.000 Stop resisting.

00:54:22.000 This is America.

00:54:24.000 This is America when you dance in the public place.

00:54:30.000 So this is the crazy part here.

00:54:33.000 We're on your knees right now.

00:54:37.000 Sir, this is your last warning.

00:54:43.000 Sir, this is your last warning.

00:54:46.000 What is going on?

00:54:47.000 See, there he knees me in the ribs, and you see it go in like I mean, even though it is as stupid as it is of what the charge is.

00:54:57.000 I mean, when that's the point, is to show the violence of it.

00:55:04.000 There's no justification for that.

00:55:05.000 The whole thing is ridiculous.

00:55:06.000 Those cops, they wanted to maintain this bullshit on control.

00:55:11.000 Yeah, bullshit sense of control and authority.

00:55:13.000 And they didn't recognize something that was absolutely not a threat, just a bunch of peaceful people.

00:55:17.000 Oh, they're hugging, and you got to arrest them for hugging and moving their bodies.

00:55:21.000 There's no justification for this.

00:55:23.000 This is nonsense.

00:55:24.000 You guys weren't causing problems or hassling people.

00:55:28.000 I mean, if you look in the context of this video, this is insane.

00:55:31.000 I don't know how these guys...

00:55:35.000 That's not the way this works.

00:55:37.000 You cannot shut anyone up.

00:55:38.000 You cannot stop them from dancing.

00:55:40.000 You cannot stop them from kissing.

00:55:42.000 You cannot stop them from doing things that come natural to people.

00:55:46.000 Then they kick the media out.

00:55:48.000 Like, how perfect is this as a microcosm of what government is?

00:55:53.000 Who's got this camera?

00:55:54.000 Who's filming this?

00:55:55.000 This is actually Dustin, the guy that's in the room right now.

00:55:58.000 This was when I had my TV show in DC.

00:56:02.000 What is he filming this with?

00:56:04.000 I don't know, Dustin, you want to step in here?

00:56:06.000 What are you filming with?

00:56:11.000 I can't hear you.

00:56:13.000 Just a little camera, I think he said.

00:56:14.000 A small handheld camera?

00:56:16.000 It was a cannon from back in the day.

00:56:18.000 Nobody told you to stop filming?

00:56:19.000 It was funny because they kick out the mainstream guy before they see me.

00:56:23.000 I was kind of just dancing along, kind of moving in the ways.

00:56:26.000 Oh, so there's a couple other guys that were filming this as well.

00:56:30.000 Yeah, but what was really ironic is they kicked out, well, Dustin said, they kicked out the guy from Fox.

00:56:35.000 There was a local Fox network, I think, that was covering it that day.

00:56:37.000 They kicked him out.

00:56:38.000 They kicked out the guy with the big camera, and then Dustin, because, you know, he's, we were shoestring television.

00:56:44.000 What that right there was just idiots with power.

00:56:46.000 That's all that was.

00:56:48.000 Incompetent fools.

00:56:50.000 There's a foolish person.

00:56:51.000 Isn't that a fun way to wake people up?

00:56:53.000 To show people that?

00:56:54.000 He's a pussy.

00:56:55.000 This is what I always say about any laws, any people getting arrested.

00:56:58.000 I use what I call the Clint Eastwood method.

00:57:01.000 Could you imagine Clint Eastwood in a movie holding a gun arresting someone for that?

00:57:06.000 If not, then it's a stupid law.

00:57:08.000 Because if you're not stealing or hurting someone or robbing someone.

00:57:12.000 Well, then what's a smart law, Joe?

00:57:14.000 A smart law is something that's set in place to make sure that people don't fuck five-year-olds.

00:57:20.000 Maybe that should be a law.

00:57:22.000 So maybe the urban law that we should have are the ones that are based on respecting each other instead of having a central authority deciding what even the standards of society are going to be.

00:57:33.000 Do you think that with the internet and what's happening now with the integration of society and technology, that we're sort of slowly but surely getting closer to each other even than is comfortable?

00:57:45.000 And it's going to get to a certain point in time where there's not going to be a whole lot of privacy in this world.

00:57:49.000 Yeah, no, but there's any.

00:57:50.000 Well, you know, right now...

00:57:57.000 I think it's always for the best.

00:57:58.000 I have faith in technology because it's empowering, but it's kind of scary right now to see this.

00:58:02.000 But it's empowering to itself.

00:58:03.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:58:04.000 It doesn't have a moral idea.

00:58:06.000 We have this idea that it's only for good until AI comes live.

00:58:10.000 When artificial intelligence actually becomes sentient.

00:58:12.000 You know, there's a lot of scientists, very intelligent people that have studied this shit their whole life.

00:58:18.000 That guy in that movie, the Singularity movie, was Kurtzwell's documentary?

00:58:23.000 What is it called?

00:58:25.000 Transcendent Man.

00:58:26.000 Transcendent Man.

00:58:27.000 There's a guy in England who's terrified of what he calls artillery, artificial intellects.

00:58:31.000 He's terrified of the possibility of them actually getting to a point technologically where they can think for themselves and shut things off and create new ones and create new artificial intelligence that's more powerful and with more potential than they have.

00:58:45.000 This is all real.

00:58:46.000 Very, very possible.

00:58:47.000 You can't say no.

00:58:48.000 Like, this is 100% possible.

00:58:51.000 So technology is not always...

00:58:51.000 It's scary.

00:58:54.000 Yeah, but it's not always good for this.

00:58:57.000 I mean, it's good.

00:58:58.000 It is what the universe is, which is ever complex.

00:59:01.000 Just complexification on top of complexification keeps moving in that direction.

00:59:06.000 It doesn't stop.

00:59:07.000 You know, stars explode and they eventually become fucking human beings.

00:59:10.000 I mean, all of this is coming from this idea that things get more and more complex and more and more crazy.

00:59:15.000 But it might not necessarily be good for humans.

00:59:18.000 Technology might be terrible for humans.

00:59:20.000 We might just be the rats that build the raft.

00:59:24.000 We might just be the monkeys that start the computer life form.

00:59:28.000 They start the artificial ones and zero life form.

00:59:31.000 And we say it's not real, but it becomes real when you make it real.

00:59:35.000 If artificial intelligence actually becomes sentient, then it is real.

00:59:39.000 That's a real life form.

00:59:41.000 And we just don't think of it and respect it like we would an alien life form because we think of it as something that we have control over because we just shut the power off.

00:59:50.000 We just turn the switches on.

00:59:51.000 For now, that's all true.

00:59:53.000 At some point that goes away.

00:59:54.000 But yeah, if you give the computer program that you create the initiative to act on its own, and it's much more intelligent than you are, things might get crazy.

01:00:03.000 Oh, no, they are going to get crazy.

01:00:04.000 But that's not good.

01:00:05.000 It's not good for us.

01:00:07.000 I don't think that's going to be good for all the dumb fucks that you're like the person with the rotary telephone saying, oh, those cell phones, they're crazy.

01:00:15.000 They're bad for you.

01:00:16.000 Well, yes, to a certain extent.

01:00:17.000 You know, I mean, if you talk to people that live in the mountains, they still stand by that shit.

01:00:20.000 Ah, you're fucking yourself up with all those cell phone signals, and you don't need to check your email every five minutes.

01:00:27.000 But, you know, we might be is just a step along the way.

01:00:32.000 I mean, we surely are, right?

01:00:34.000 I mean, we look at evolution.

01:00:36.000 We look at these new fossils they just discovered today where there was a, or it was just a news release today about some hominoid that was a distant relative of ours that was upright and walking six million years ago.

01:00:50.000 This is a pretty radical discovery.

01:00:51.000 They're figuring this out.

01:00:52.000 Just think of that.

01:00:54.000 Six million years ago, there was some fucking monkey thing.

01:00:56.000 And then six million years later, boom, you and I are sitting in front of giant laptops and ones and zeros are flying around the sea, you know, through these pipes and wires and shit under the ocean.

01:01:06.000 And whoa!

01:01:07.000 It's getting faster.

01:01:08.000 It's always getting faster and faster and faster.

01:01:11.000 That's crazy.

01:01:12.000 You know what?

01:01:13.000 That's what tempts me to be scared.

01:01:14.000 You should be scared.

01:01:15.000 Is that we're going to get to this point.

01:01:18.000 Technological singularity coming in, what, 20 years?

01:01:21.000 And this is the implication of that when we have a computer that's smarter than the human brain.

01:01:25.000 And in a sense, that's like an arbitrary benchmark.

01:01:28.000 Right.

01:01:28.000 You know, a more significant benchmark that in a way is not a benchmark because as soon as we have the wheel, we're able to use that to get more technology.

01:01:37.000 You know, every innovation builds on the previous innovations.

01:01:42.000 But in a sense, we get to the point where we have computers that we tell, design the next smarter computer, design the next smarter computer chip.

01:01:49.000 And we're already kind of at that point.

01:01:51.000 And then it takes off, this exponential curve.

01:01:54.000 Next thing you know, we're telling computers how to solve all, instructing these things to solve all our problems.

01:01:58.000 And they're going to tell us.

01:01:59.000 Get your shit together, bitch.

01:02:00.000 But see, and what I'm scared of is that right now we see in the news, they have this laser that can hit your skin and do a molecular analysis from 100 feet away.

01:02:09.000 And the TSA is going to have this and be able to tell what you have to do breakfast that morning.

01:02:13.000 It's crazy.

01:02:14.000 But it scares me to see that that's in the government's hands.

01:02:17.000 But at the same time, I'm so confident.

01:02:20.000 And like I said, it is going to get scary.

01:02:22.000 And at some point, every surface surrounding us is going to be a touchscreen.

01:02:26.000 And virtual reality merges with reality.

01:02:28.000 And then who knows?

01:02:29.000 But now we're going to have to jump ahead and start talking about my last DMT experience because it relates to that.

01:02:36.000 But what we're coming to is there's going to be a point where basically everybody gets a therapy robot.

01:02:40.000 That's my prediction.

01:02:42.000 And in a way, you know what?

01:02:43.000 And I thought about this.

01:02:44.000 Every single trend that I look at, like way into the future, I go, wait a second, how is it already happening now?

01:02:49.000 And in a sense, think about how much therapy and psychological benefit people get from the internet.

01:02:53.000 The fact that they can look shit up and go, oh, I have issues because of this.

01:02:58.000 Or they're able to find communities of people that work through their issues.

01:03:02.000 Or it's able to feed your issues more likely beaten off and checking KKK websites.

01:03:10.000 Yeah, I fucking sleep with a laptop in my bed.

01:03:13.000 That's not a good thing.

01:03:14.000 That's a great percentage of what's being done on the internet is not educational in one way or another.

01:03:18.000 I mean, the potential for education exists.

01:03:23.000 It's a lot of education with the internet compared to what happened.

01:03:25.000 Well, no question.

01:03:27.000 Everything's accelerating, whether it's entertainment or education.

01:03:30.000 Kids are smarter today.

01:03:31.000 They have more access to information today, less viable to be sucked in by propaganda.

01:03:37.000 It's a different time.

01:03:38.000 We live in a time that just is unprecedented.

01:03:42.000 We're in the wild west.

01:03:43.000 We're in the wild west of technology.

01:03:45.000 It's a strange time.

01:03:46.000 When we look back in human history, we're going to see this as the point at which we hit the vertical asymptote.

01:03:52.000 The next 20, 30 years, it's going to be that curve and the exponential growth curve that is the human experience.

01:03:58.000 I call it the roaring 20s of the technological age.

01:04:01.000 That's what I think we're in.

01:04:03.000 I think we're in the roaring 20s of the technological age.

01:04:05.000 Because I think that right now we still don't really have a handle on what this fucking thing can actually do.

01:04:10.000 And still, there's all clunky things like Windows runtime errors and hundreds of thousands of computer viruses.

01:04:17.000 But what's going?

01:04:18.000 What's going on, man?

01:04:20.000 Brian has to talk to the AC guy before he leaves.

01:04:24.000 Okay, see ya.

01:04:26.000 I'm glad I dressed for the warm weather.

01:04:28.000 Yeah, we have some funky air conditioning issues here at the ice house that we're trying to work out.

01:04:33.000 It's funny that you call it the ice house.

01:04:35.000 It's hot as fuck in here.

01:04:36.000 I went through that bad joke routine in my head on the way over here.

01:04:39.000 Today's much better than yesterday, though.

01:04:41.000 Yesterday was pretty brutal.

01:04:42.000 I don't know how people do Vegas, man.

01:04:44.000 I don't think I could do 120 degrees.

01:04:46.000 You step outside, it's like getting hit in the face with a hairdryer.

01:04:49.000 Well, I was in Fallujah for seven months, man.

01:04:51.000 What's that like?

01:04:52.000 You don't notice over 115.

01:04:55.000 It's the same way for like with me for weed, you know, you get so high and then you kind of plateau.

01:05:00.000 It's like above about 115 degrees Fahrenheit, the human body in the desert can't really tell a difference.

01:05:05.000 There are times when you inhale fire, you know, from a hot breeze, but really it's just you're just hot.

01:05:13.000 Were you over there when Pat Tillman was killed?

01:05:16.000 He was in Afghanistan.

01:05:18.000 Yeah, he was in Afghanistan.

01:05:19.000 Did you hear the news when you were over there?

01:05:22.000 You know what?

01:05:23.000 Because I remember that unfolding.

01:05:24.000 I was there in 2004.

01:05:25.000 You want me to look it up?

01:05:26.000 No, no.

01:05:27.000 Do you remember what you felt like when you heard all the shit that went down when they tried to say he was killed in action?

01:05:34.000 It was really friendly.

01:05:35.000 Well, see, back then, I was asleep.

01:05:38.000 I was one of the sheeple, really.

01:05:41.000 I wasn't politically attuned.

01:05:42.000 So when I heard the story, I was like, I acknowledged it, but I wasn't really.

01:05:46.000 I find that hard to believe.

01:05:47.000 You're a very articulate guy.

01:05:49.000 I mean, even if you're obsessed with all this information, there's no way that you would be a stupid person when you're young.

01:05:55.000 Not that I was stupid.

01:05:56.000 It's just that I was stupid.

01:05:57.000 You wanted to believe in it?

01:05:58.000 And you know what?

01:06:00.000 We should step back maybe for a minute and talk about this podcast because there are a lot of people, and I want to get a shout out to Michael Salvey for making it possible for me to come out here because there are a lot of people like him and my audience that really cared about me getting to have a conversation with you.

01:06:17.000 And there are, you know, in a way, I really look up to you.

01:06:23.000 And I feel like as much as my audience wants you to benefit from hearing my perspective right now and talk about the way that we refer to ourselves as awake to in our understanding of government society.

01:06:41.000 You're 14 years ahead of me, but you're like, I want to learn something from you.

01:06:45.000 I almost want to be interviewing you.

01:06:47.000 I think we're learning from each other.

01:06:50.000 I mean, you saying that you look up to me is always funny to me when people say things like that because I think the reality of it is we all inspire each other, and it's great when we run into someone who we really feel like is on the right path.

01:07:04.000 Like, fuck, man, you're out there doing it.

01:07:07.000 And we benefit from each other.

01:07:09.000 All of us do.

01:07:10.000 I mean, there's just, that's a good thing about the internet.

01:07:15.000 That's a great thing about the internet.

01:07:16.000 The internet can connect people like you and I, where in past years it would be so impossible.

01:07:23.000 We exchange a couple series of tweets.

01:07:25.000 We don't even talk to each other face to face until we're actually sitting down.

01:07:28.000 I mean, that's a crazy, we're in a crazy world.

01:07:30.000 So in that sense, it does amazing things.

01:07:34.000 But we are all, everybody has a part in this thing.

01:07:37.000 It's one of the things I was going to say earlier when you were talking about people and the human mind and the power of a computer.

01:07:45.000 The crazy thing about people is not just the power of the human mind.

01:07:49.000 It's the fact that we can figure out how to work together.

01:07:51.000 Because the only way a computer gets made is if somebody figures out how to make all the different parts of it and figure out how to integrate them together and make it work together.

01:08:01.000 That's a lot of motherfuckers.

01:08:02.000 That's not one dude figuring out how to code algorithms and figuring out how to send packets to the internet.

01:08:08.000 No, this is like a bunch of people.

01:08:10.000 Everyone has a specific task.

01:08:12.000 And guys like you have a task.

01:08:15.000 Guys like me have a task.

01:08:17.000 And that task is, what are you drawn towards?

01:08:20.000 And even if it's fucking playing basketball, if that's what you love to do, and if you're fucking thinking about basketball all the time, that's your thing, man.

01:08:29.000 It's not a bad thing.

01:08:31.000 Stand-up comedy is a ridiculous pursuit.

01:08:33.000 You're just making people laugh.

01:08:34.000 That's not still.

01:08:35.000 It's not a bad thing.

01:08:36.000 You enlighten people in your comedy.

01:08:37.000 No, I do.

01:08:38.000 I don't think that sets you apart.

01:08:39.000 It's not enlighten.

01:08:41.000 It's I tell them a shit that I heard.

01:08:45.000 You share a valuable and empowering perspective.

01:08:49.000 I'm happy that that's the case.

01:08:51.000 For me, it's a very important thing.

01:08:52.000 But you know that that's true.

01:08:52.000 You know, I appreciate it.

01:08:54.000 I appreciate that's the case for me.

01:08:56.000 Even your masturbation jokes, you know, in today's repressed age, are empowering to people that are afraid to talk about those things.

01:09:04.000 Well, I think that the lessons and the battles that you go through in your life where you figure out what's stupid and what's empowering, what's good and what's bad, for you not to have a perspective when you get to be a certain age, for you to hit 44 years old and not have some shit figured out that you didn't have when you were 25, this is ridiculous.

01:09:25.000 But for me, it's like whenever someone would say they look up to me or, you know, hey man, you changed my life, I would say like, I'm like an antenna, okay?

01:09:34.000 I'm just an antenna for all the shit that's out there in this crazy fucking weird world.

01:09:40.000 So when I repeat shit back or when I analyze and add a bunch of shit together that I've read that other people have figured out, someone saying they look up to that is a very weird thing to hear because I'm just doing stuff.

01:09:53.000 I'm just doing comedy or doing podcasts.

01:09:57.000 It doesn't ever seem like anything important.

01:10:01.000 But when you get the overwhelming amount of response that this podcast gets on Twitter and whatever, anything on the internet, my masterpod, it can fuck with your head.

01:10:11.000 It gets kind of trippy.

01:10:12.000 You feel like you have this weird obligation.

01:10:14.000 And enough people come up to you and say, yeah, hey, man, you changed my life.

01:10:17.000 You start going, man, maybe I should start a fucking cult.

01:10:21.000 Maybe I should get a big ass.

01:10:23.000 Maybe that's my move, man.

01:10:24.000 Big ass plot of land in Brazil somewhere.

01:10:27.000 Just tell everybody, man, fuck this country.

01:10:29.000 Let's move, man.

01:10:30.000 We could run shit nice down there.

01:10:33.000 So the air conditioner.

01:10:34.000 The weather's beautiful.

01:10:35.000 The air conditioner outside is being worked on.

01:10:37.000 It should be done in like 30 minutes, so they're going to turn it off for 30 minutes.

01:10:40.000 But when I walked out, I was like, so how long is it going to take?

01:10:42.000 And this is what I saw.

01:10:45.000 See right here.

01:10:46.000 He's got mario wheels hanging on the maroole.

01:10:50.000 Dude, don't put that on the internet.

01:10:52.000 That's the guy that's working on the ACT.

01:10:53.000 You told him you were going to put that on the internet?

01:10:55.000 Please.

01:10:56.000 By the way, we should tell the federales, he is a licensed patient here in California.

01:11:03.000 What do you think of that, man?

01:11:04.000 That's a creepy thing.

01:11:05.000 We had Tommy Chong on.

01:11:07.000 He was talking about that.

01:11:07.000 He said it was basically a money grab.

01:11:09.000 These DEA agents that are raiding these California dispensaries, even though in the California state law, medical marijuana is legal.

01:11:16.000 They're allowed to sell it.

01:11:17.000 They're allowed to have it.

01:11:18.000 Dude, just for you, just for you today, I went and I got my license from Dr. Lee F. Winkler, M.D. Shouldn't say the doctor's name, man.

01:11:26.000 It's hindrance.

01:11:27.000 These doctors are all undercover.

01:11:28.000 No, he's cool.

01:11:29.000 That's the thing.

01:11:30.000 Oh, really?

01:11:30.000 It's all legit now.

01:11:31.000 And I was afraid that what we were going to see was this, and it is a ridiculous cottage industry of writing medical marijuana prescriptions.

01:11:31.000 You know what?

01:11:39.000 And I was thinking, oh, it's a shame that this is a diversion of legitimate medical care resources.

01:11:45.000 And to a certain extent, it is.

01:11:46.000 But this is, he was the nicest old dude who came out of retirement because he wanted to help patients.

01:11:51.000 All day.

01:11:52.000 He's just chilling.

01:11:53.000 And, you know, he does get to help patients occasionally, as he said.

01:11:56.000 But, you know, because there's a lot of people that just come in for their paperwork.

01:11:59.000 You know, he's just writing scripts all day.

01:12:00.000 But, you know, it's so funny.

01:12:01.000 There's a lot of good karma in that, man.

01:12:03.000 Be a doctor and do that.

01:12:04.000 There's a lot of good karma.

01:12:05.000 Yeah, because you're turning the guns of government away from people.

01:12:07.000 You're covering for people.

01:12:08.000 And it's funny in Colorado, though, where it's not as well established, that it hasn't been subjected to market forces for as long, the doctors still charge $200.

01:12:17.000 My doctor charges more than that.

01:12:19.000 It's $35.

01:12:20.000 Yeah.

01:12:20.000 What?

01:12:20.000 To write a referral?

01:12:22.000 Yeah, I don't want to say my doctor's name because I don't want anybody to get mad at him.

01:12:26.000 He's on the outside of the building.

01:12:28.000 My doctor went to jail for it, and he did time.

01:12:35.000 I don't know if he went to jail for it.

01:12:36.000 I know he lost his license, and then he had to get it back.

01:12:36.000 I know he's arrested.

01:12:38.000 It was during the beginning of the medical marijuana movement.

01:12:41.000 It's funny, back then you could lose your license or being involved in this.

01:12:44.000 Now, you have to use your license to get people pot.

01:12:48.000 Well, you know, I was turned on to the whole medical marijuana scene in much part by my friend Todd McCormick.

01:12:54.000 Do you know Todd and Todd's story?

01:12:56.000 My friend Todd is a really brilliant guy when it comes to any knowledge of cannabis or hemp and the history behind it and the suppression of it.

01:13:04.000 I mean, had cancer himself, you know, like he needs marijuana, like literally, you know.

01:13:10.000 And knowing him, I got to meet all sorts of people that are inside the medical community.

01:13:18.000 And most of them are doing a great service.

01:13:22.000 You know, most of them are getting weed to people.

01:13:24.000 And, you know, there's nothing wrong with that.

01:13:27.000 But there's a few of them out there that are just...

01:13:34.000 Oh, yeah.

01:13:35.000 That's sick, isn't it?

01:13:36.000 That just shows you how twisted government is, that somebody always benefits and wants to benefit from the violence.

01:13:41.000 It's just sad that anybody would ever want to profit on keeping something from everybody when they know it would be good for everybody.

01:13:46.000 You know, the fact that you would vote against legalization while you're selling pot, it's like, man, that's not good for you.

01:13:52.000 You're making a real creepy decision, man.

01:13:54.000 That's going to be a lot of people.

01:13:54.000 If there's a whole burning.

01:13:56.000 Yeah, you would still be okay.

01:13:58.000 Everybody thinks that people are going to grow their weed.

01:14:00.000 I'm not going to grow my weed.

01:14:01.000 What I pay for weed right now is perfect.

01:14:03.000 I'll keep paying that forever.

01:14:04.000 Nobody has to lose any money.

01:14:06.000 You don't have to be cunty about this whole thing.

01:14:08.000 It's just completely ridiculous.

01:14:09.000 How many people are going to start a weed farm?

01:14:11.000 Really?

01:14:12.000 How many potheads that have that kind of ambition?

01:14:15.000 And if they want to, they should be able to, man.

01:14:17.000 If you want to grow fucking tomatoes, you should be able to grow tomatoes.

01:14:19.000 It should be legal.

01:14:20.000 Well, it's going to be like who would grow tobacco?

01:14:23.000 Eventually, that's what it's going to be.

01:14:25.000 But I want to tell a little story about my experience this morning because I really had a blast.

01:14:29.000 We went right across the street to LA Confidential.

01:14:33.000 Okay.

01:14:33.000 And it's one of the dispensaries in the Hollywood area.

01:14:36.000 Good place.

01:14:38.000 I want to give them a shout out.

01:14:39.000 That's not very confidential of you.

01:14:39.000 This was a really shout out.

01:14:41.000 No, I guess not.

01:14:42.000 And I'm going to call out people by name because they were awesome.

01:14:45.000 Oh, okay, cool.

01:14:45.000 And they said that.

01:14:46.000 You want shout-outs?

01:14:47.000 They're not allowed to.

01:14:48.000 But you're setting a precedent.

01:14:49.000 You will have to give shout-outs all the time from now on.

01:14:52.000 Well, anybody who sells me weed.

01:15:02.000 Who's dead right now?

01:15:03.000 Yeah.

01:15:04.000 Scientologist.

01:15:05.000 Sad.

01:15:06.000 I'm sorry.

01:15:06.000 I didn't mean to derail my story with that tragedy.

01:15:09.000 No, I did.

01:15:10.000 I derailed it.

01:15:11.000 I was just thinking about the cartoon.

01:15:14.000 But anyways, he was, you know, we weren't allowed to film in there, and they were very professional about it, and it was understandable, and they had a no-cell phone policy.

01:15:22.000 But they have a separate bar in the back.

01:15:24.000 So at first, I went, I talked to this lovely young woman, Mickey.

01:15:29.000 And this is my ulterior motive.

01:15:30.000 I'm kind of hoping that by giving her a shout out, she'll actually call me.

01:15:34.000 Are you trying to get laid on this show?

01:15:35.000 That's ridiculous, sir.

01:15:37.000 How dare you?

01:15:38.000 That is such a mad struggle.

01:15:38.000 What?

01:15:40.000 Dude, don't ever do that.

01:15:41.000 That's a terrible idea.

01:15:43.000 That's a terrible idea.

01:15:44.000 You should never do that.

01:15:44.000 If you can't get laid without mentioning a chick on the air or even get her to hang out with you, how much interest could she possibly have?

01:15:50.000 The last thing you want to do is give a shout-out on the air.

01:15:53.000 Because what if this doesn't work out?

01:15:55.000 What if this doesn't work out?

01:15:56.000 And then, like, a year from now, your new wife, who you love more than anything, you're like, you got to listen to this tape.

01:16:01.000 This is me on the Joe Rogan podcast.

01:16:03.000 She's like, wow, this is so amazing.

01:16:05.000 Who the fuck is Nikki?

01:16:06.000 Who's Nikki?

01:16:07.000 And you're like, well, Nikki, it didn't work out.

01:16:10.000 She didn't, yeah, I give her a shout-out, but she didn't go out with me.

01:16:14.000 Like, ew, they'll lose hope in you, man.

01:16:18.000 I do want to give a shout-out to Asa Akira and Tara Patrick.

01:16:22.000 For no reason?

01:16:22.000 Call you?

01:16:24.000 Just for no reason.

01:16:25.000 Just giving shout-outs to hot porn stars.

01:16:28.000 How dare you, Brian?

01:16:31.000 And this is the thing.

01:16:31.000 She was great.

01:16:32.000 customer service was really incredible it was my first time They're going to be real friendly.

01:16:38.000 I went to the club in Breckenridge in Colorado, the Breckenridge Cannabis Club, and for my YouTube channel, we did a recording with my friend Joby Weeks there with his new local currency, Mountain Hours.

01:16:47.000 This was really exciting.

01:16:48.000 Yeah, so they explain that.

01:16:50.000 They have their own.

01:16:51.000 Do you want to talk about monetary policy?

01:16:53.000 Let me know.

01:16:55.000 Because this was really awesome.

01:16:56.000 But Mickey was really helpful.

01:16:58.000 I got as a first-timer discount a free hit of hash.

01:17:03.000 And I had never had this before where they used the blowtorch over the little metal device into the front of the bong.

01:17:10.000 And they gave me two half-hits that were like, for me, huge, huge rips of hash that knocked me on my ass.

01:17:16.000 And they have this beautiful smoker's lounge in the back.

01:17:19.000 Jake was there, very helpful.

01:17:20.000 It was a wonderful experience.

01:17:22.000 And I asked them if there was, you know, if I could plug their business.

01:17:26.000 And they said, well, we can't tell you what to say.

01:17:28.000 But, you know, I said, is there any message that you want to get out?

01:17:31.000 And they said, get involved.

01:17:32.000 And I think that's really cool to see that most people aren't like those growers in Northern California.

01:17:37.000 They want people to get involved in the issue.

01:17:38.000 They want people working.

01:17:40.000 As Chef specifically said, what this could be if it was fully legal.

01:17:45.000 Well, you should classify what you're saying.

01:17:47.000 The reason why the people in Northern California are into it is because they're selling it illegally.

01:17:51.000 They want it to stay illegal.

01:17:54.000 A lot of them the growers that are selling to dispensaries, they're not the ones who are voting against Legality.

01:18:01.000 A lot of it is the guys who've been doing it old school, you know, where it's just completely accepted up there.

01:18:06.000 I mean, a big part of Humboldt County is their economy is based on marijuana.

01:18:10.000 That is just a fact.

01:18:12.000 And it's just been sort of accepted.

01:18:14.000 But, you know, now not so much.

01:18:16.000 You know, now it's then they also have the problem with Mexican gangs that are running these forest.

01:18:23.000 They set up these things in national forests and put up these farms.

01:18:28.000 Even the people here in the dispensaries have an interest in the law not changing.

01:18:31.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:18:33.000 Yeah, but they're not.

01:18:33.000 Because if it's fully legal.

01:18:35.000 They don't.

01:18:35.000 They just switch over and start selling.

01:18:36.000 No, they have the same.

01:18:38.000 No, they have the same bullshit financial interest in the current government-restricted system that the people in Northern California do.

01:18:45.000 And most people, my point is most people are good people, and the people at LA Confidential are good people.

01:18:51.000 I think you're saying that you believe that you know how everyone who runs a dispensary thinks.

01:18:57.000 It's real hard to say that.

01:18:59.000 No, no, no.

01:18:59.000 I'm just saying my sense, no, because I do know other people that are involved in the industry.

01:19:04.000 But then it's not necessarily bad for them if it becomes legal.

01:19:07.000 They just can open up a weed shop.

01:19:09.000 They can switch from a medical dispensary slash, you know, what do we call it?

01:19:13.000 No, no, no, no, because it'll be more commercialized.

01:19:15.000 They'll be selling it at Walmart in the cigarette section.

01:19:17.000 You know what I mean?

01:19:18.000 Like, or with liquor stores.

01:19:21.000 There will be specialty shops, but with more competition, you'll end up and more legalization, you'll end up with a greater consolidation in the market.

01:19:28.000 I don't necessarily think that's the case.

01:19:30.000 If you're able to sell weed, why would it have to be so expensive that you'd have to go through Walmart with its thousand employees?

01:19:38.000 You could sell weed.

01:19:38.000 You could have like a little locally local.

01:19:40.000 Oh, no, you'd still have some, but there would be more competition.

01:19:44.000 I wonder how long it would take before marijuana is legalized, before like Coca-Cola got in business and started saying, listen, man, we need to, you know, this is a big business.

01:19:51.000 Let's get a piece of this.

01:19:52.000 It's really fun to apply the economics to this, and then you start to understand why the violence is happening in Mexico, because their business is being shredded, and they're fighting over a territory that is rapidly shrinking.

01:20:04.000 Is that what it is?

01:20:06.000 That's also because marijuana or drugs basically are illegal in this country.

01:20:10.000 You can't get swag anymore in America.

01:20:12.000 It's hard to find shitty Mexican trash compactor weed.

01:20:16.000 Like the shit I used to get in high school for $80 an ounce or whatever it was.

01:20:20.000 You can't find that anymore.

01:20:22.000 I had this epiphany.

01:20:23.000 I was in Kansas City where it's as illegal as it is anywhere else.

01:20:25.000 I was there for a gig a couple weeks ago trying to buy weed, and it was like we were trying to, we were joking about it, but we were actually trying to find shitty weed to see if we could do it, and we couldn't.

01:20:36.000 I bet East Coast, you can still find shitty weed.

01:20:38.000 You can still find it in Ohio.

01:20:40.000 I got it a couple months ago.

01:20:42.000 It's out there.

01:20:43.000 Yeah, you can get it.

01:20:44.000 But you see how much it's because when it's quasi-legal in California and it's still gray market for producers, it puts pressure on the market in places where it's harder to grow.

01:20:54.000 And so people are able to get better weed from the surplus in California and it's a better deal for them than the ship that's shipped up from Mexico.

01:21:02.000 I did comedy at that LA Confidential.

01:21:04.000 I used to do comedy shows there and I did it with Joey Diaz.

01:21:08.000 Was it the bar?

01:21:10.000 No, LA Confidential.

01:21:11.000 And they have like a stage in the back or they used to.

01:21:13.000 They stopped doing it though, I heard.

01:21:16.000 But it was crazy because if you were on later in the show, like I was like second to last.

01:21:20.000 I was right after Joey Diaz or something like that.

01:21:23.000 Beginning of the show was awesome.

01:21:24.000 Second part of the show, everyone is so fucked up from doing like hash and fucking weed and stuff like that.

01:21:31.000 They're just sitting at the, with drool coming out of their mouth, just looking at the movements you're doing with your hands.

01:21:36.000 Dude, we did a show.

01:21:38.000 Who the fuck did I do Toronto with?

01:21:42.000 It was either Sam Trip.

01:21:44.000 It was either Ari Shafir or Tom Segura.

01:21:44.000 No, it wasn't Sam.

01:21:46.000 I forget who it was.

01:21:47.000 But we did it in this place in Toronto.

01:21:50.000 I don't want to say the name because it's probably illegal what they're doing.

01:21:53.000 But they have a pot shop in the front where they sell bongs and shit.

01:21:57.000 In the back, they have a hot box.

01:21:59.000 This is a hot box.

01:22:00.000 Like 100 people boxed in with no fucking ventilation whatsoever.

01:22:04.000 And everybody's hitting bongs and vaporizers and they're passing blunts.

01:22:10.000 The air is so ridiculously unhealthy.

01:22:14.000 No, it's smoke.

01:22:16.000 It's all smoke.

01:22:18.000 It should be a little smoke, a little air.

01:22:20.000 A little smoke.

01:22:21.000 This was just nothing but smoke.

01:22:22.000 To the point where the next day my throat was sore.

01:22:25.000 I was like, wow, I might be fucked.

01:22:26.000 I was worried that it was going to mess with my voice.

01:22:28.000 Because it was breathing nothing but smoke for like an hour.

01:22:31.000 I've never been that high in my life.

01:22:33.000 It was ridiculous.

01:22:34.000 There was so much THC in the air, and there was no air.

01:22:38.000 It was all THC and carbon dioxide and bad breath, and people just blitz-greaked.

01:22:43.000 I don't even remember what I talked about.

01:22:45.000 I bet I did maybe five minutes of material in an hour on stage.

01:22:49.000 It was preposterous.

01:22:51.000 Which is going to be tonight.

01:22:52.000 Tonight's preposterous.

01:22:53.000 If you're around, ladies and gentlemen, tonight we've got a 10 p.m. show at the Ice House Comedy Club right here in lovely downtown Pasadena where they spotted rabid bats.

01:23:04.000 So if you have a turtleneck, put that shit on.

01:23:06.000 You don't want to get jacked by a rabbit bat.

01:23:08.000 Yeah, we just released 20 more tickets.

01:23:10.000 So go to 20 rabbit bats.

01:23:14.000 Put some bats in here.

01:23:15.000 Yeah, we got, but tonight, 10 p.m. show, we got Joey.

01:23:18.000 No, Joey Deason is in this one.

01:23:19.000 Ari Shafir, Dom Irera, Greg Fitzsimmons, Brian Redband, Aiko Tanaka, Ryan Mervis, and our host is always Tony Hinchcliffe.

01:23:29.000 Who's hilarious?

01:23:30.000 And me, you dirty bitches.

01:23:31.000 So that's tonight, 10 o'clock show.

01:23:34.000 And, of course, we'll also have the Ice House Chronicles that go on at the same time.

01:23:37.000 And that is only available on the iTunes Death Squad label, Adam Kokesh.

01:23:44.000 And for an ice house, this is not the coldest place yet.

01:23:47.000 Yeah, we already made those jokes, dude.

01:23:49.000 You weren't in the room.

01:23:50.000 Oh, really?

01:23:50.000 Yeah, you were dealing with shit.

01:23:52.000 That's what you get.

01:23:53.000 Hacky material.

01:23:55.000 Well, it's just called Parallel Thinking, son.

01:23:57.000 Don't be so hard on yourself.

01:23:59.000 So, how long you been down here for?

01:24:02.000 Just for this, it kind of worked out.

01:24:04.000 I'm really glad that it worked out, but I was in Colorado for the Mountain Hours event, and then I was able to just come here.

01:24:10.000 But we got distracted by weed, man.

01:24:12.000 We were actually going to be able to get a little bit of a pressure.

01:24:13.000 I want to hear the currency thing that you were talking about.

01:24:15.000 Would you tell me before the show about the they have their own currency?

01:24:19.000 Well, let's come back to that because we were talking about the perspective, you know, how I used to be asleep.

01:24:27.000 Right.

01:24:28.000 And how so many in my audience are excited to have me appear on your podcast and to be able to share this perspective with you because it's about sharing the joy of standing up to government, of standing up to the bully, of actually seeing yourself as part of this process of humanity evolving.

01:24:48.000 And they know that you share a lot of the premises of this, of distrust for authority, of your good understanding of what government is and the exploitation behind it.

01:24:58.000 But what we're doing is actually working to change the paradigm and get people more involved.

01:25:05.000 We're not so much a political movement as an anti-political movement.

01:25:10.000 We understand that politics is pathological behavior when you're advocating for more government control, when you're saying that we need government to do this.

01:25:18.000 And we are helping humanity by spreading this message that it is a universal moral message of don't hit, don't steal, unless you have a badge or a gun of the government.

01:25:32.000 Government is an opinion with a gun and getting people to see that and move past that.

01:25:36.000 And as activists, it's funny, you talked about what it's like being a celebrity for yourself.

01:25:44.000 And you're a legitimate celebrity, and then there's political celebrity, and then there's me, minor political celebrity.

01:25:51.000 And I still get some of the same experience of people having a relationship with me before you meet them.

01:25:58.000 And you know how that is.

01:25:59.000 And what you have with your presence, your ability to get people to get more involved, to share this perspective, to enjoy standing up to the man, that people in your position can use your presence to better affect this change and be a part of this.

01:26:19.000 And I wanted to open the podcast by saying, I'm from the revolution and I'm here to recruit you.

01:26:27.000 I don't know how to respond to that last creepy part.

01:26:30.000 You guys need to work out together.

01:26:35.000 Brian just wants both of us to leave the room right now for making him uncomfortable.

01:26:39.000 There's too much bromance up in this motherfucker.

01:26:42.000 Oh, did we cross that line?

01:26:43.000 No, no, it's all right, man.

01:26:44.000 Maybe we got to smoke another joint.

01:26:46.000 Yeah, you know what, man?

01:26:49.000 That's very cool for you to.

01:26:50.000 Yeah, we can finish that joint.

01:26:51.000 Where would we put that thing?

01:26:52.000 It's in the.

01:26:52.000 It's on the ashtray.

01:26:54.000 I got it.

01:26:57.000 You know Adam can be your new fleshlight.

01:26:58.000 Oh, Brian, that was just...

01:27:04.000 That was so stupid that that's one of those things where, you remember when you did that show the other day and you're like, man, people, they didn't know who I was.

01:27:10.000 They hated me.

01:27:11.000 Yeah, that's how a normal person would react to you.

01:27:13.000 It's like people didn't understand for years I had to tell people that he kind of grows on you.

01:27:18.000 It's a weird thing.

01:27:20.000 It takes a while for your sense of humor to make sense, but even that you should be embarrassed about.

01:27:25.000 Even you should be embarrassed about that last one.

01:27:27.000 Whatever.

01:27:28.000 Just imagine it.

01:27:28.000 It would be funny.

01:27:29.000 I don't think so.

01:27:30.000 I don't think it's funny at all.

01:27:32.000 Out of card.

01:27:33.000 Here you go.

01:27:34.000 You got issues, kid.

01:27:35.000 You got issues.

01:27:36.000 You're not even high right now.

01:27:37.000 Yeah, I am.

01:27:37.000 I've been smoking the whole time.

01:27:39.000 In the back, that's what you do?

01:27:40.000 You leave?

01:27:41.000 Well, you're not.

01:27:42.000 I'm going to say make it so you're not allowed to talk if you get over a certain high.

01:27:45.000 We need to get a breathalyzer test for you.

01:27:47.000 They should have that, right?

01:27:49.000 They don't have that.

01:27:49.000 Oh, watch out.

01:27:51.000 They don't have weed breathalyzers, do they?

01:27:53.000 Like, that tells you how much you've smoked.

01:27:55.000 How fucked up you are?

01:27:56.000 Yeah.

01:27:57.000 No, well, I don't think it's relative.

01:28:00.000 It's so hard to figure out.

01:28:02.000 It's like what is for you.

01:28:03.000 I mean, it's the same blood level, right?

01:28:06.000 It's just your tolerance.

01:28:07.000 Your tolerance doesn't decrease it in your body.

01:28:10.000 So it's like you could have a little bit of pot in a person who's a fucking rookie, and they're going to be blasted.

01:28:16.000 But if you carry that same amount of pot, you'll be fine.

01:28:22.000 Right, but I'm saying THC is something that your body gets comfortable with.

01:28:26.000 Yeah, but it's the thing with alcohol, too.

01:28:28.000 This is why there should be an objective measurement of impairment, not a chemical measurement.

01:28:31.000 Yeah, with alcohol, there's...

01:28:35.000 It can't be that.

01:28:36.000 It should be an impairment thing.

01:28:39.000 I want it to be body fat.

01:28:40.000 Come on.

01:28:41.000 I got pulled over once and I wasn't drunk.

01:28:42.000 They thought I was.

01:28:44.000 And I was not.

01:28:45.000 I just dropped my cell phone in between my legs and I reached in and I changed lanes for a second.

01:28:50.000 But it was nobody near me, but a cop behind me.

01:28:53.000 So I did all their shit, man.

01:28:56.000 I have good balance, man.

01:28:58.000 I got no problem.

01:28:58.000 I did all their shit.

01:28:59.000 Touched my note.

01:29:00.000 I'm like, I'm not drunk at all.

01:29:01.000 Like, I just want you to know.

01:29:03.000 So I did all that shit, and then they asked me to do a breath loss test.

01:29:06.000 And I was like, really?

01:29:10.000 Do I really have to do that?

01:29:11.000 You know I'm not drunk.

01:29:12.000 Like, I could do that.

01:29:12.000 Like, this is silly.

01:29:14.000 And then they sat, they got together and they huddled and they go, all right, we're going to let you go.

01:29:17.000 And I go, well, thank you.

01:29:18.000 Thank you.

01:29:19.000 Because I really wasn't drunk.

01:29:20.000 I told the truth.

01:29:21.000 I dropped my shit.

01:29:23.000 But there was that weird moment where I was like, I wasn't guilty.

01:29:27.000 Are you going to fuck me just because you can?

01:29:29.000 Yeah, but I was like, is this going to be some weird thing where I'm going to wind up handcuffed in the back of a car because I'm making sense?

01:29:34.000 You know, I just did all your shit.

01:29:36.000 I just touched my nose.

01:29:37.000 I'm perfect.

01:29:38.000 I got good balance.

01:29:39.000 Everything's there's no fuck-ups.

01:29:41.000 I'm following your pen.

01:29:42.000 I'm fucking sober.

01:29:43.000 All right.

01:29:44.000 I mean, I think I might have had one beer like three hours ago.

01:29:47.000 It was like ridiculously sober.

01:29:49.000 But it was that weird thing.

01:29:50.000 We're like, whoa, what if I blow pot?

01:29:52.000 I mean, what is legal?

01:29:53.000 I don't know what the fuck legal is.

01:29:55.000 Is it one beer an hour or something like that?

01:29:57.000 You say that, but I don't know what that is.

01:30:00.000 Like, if you had a beer an hour ago, you are not fucking drunk.

01:30:03.000 But will you test drunk?

01:30:04.000 No, no, it's that you can oxidize one drink per hour.

01:30:07.000 So if you drink, the effect of that serving of alcohol is gone in an hour.

01:30:12.000 If you have three drinks, it's three hours for it to be gone.

01:30:15.000 Is that three hours that you can be tested for or three hours that you're impaired by?

01:30:20.000 I don't drink anymore.

01:30:20.000 I don't know.

01:30:21.000 You don't drink at all?

01:30:22.000 No.

01:30:22.000 I mean, occasionally I'll have a glass of wine, but no, I quit drinking.

01:30:26.000 The cops that I ran into were cool, but they didn't have to be.

01:30:30.000 They could have been coming off of some terrible people, and I'm always very polite if anything happens.

01:30:34.000 But it's that weird feeling, like, you could just lock me up right now.

01:30:39.000 When you watch, like, the videos of those guys slamming you on the ground and arresting everybody for hugging, you just want to go in and you just want to arrest them.

01:30:48.000 You want to just pull them out of society.

01:30:50.000 You want to make them watch this, make them sit in the theater with people, sit on a stage, and I want you to sit, and behind you, we're going to play that video, and then I want you to respond to all these people, the citizens, The taxpayers, they're going to have some fucking questions for you.

01:31:02.000 No shit.

01:31:02.000 They don't even have any vested interest in.

01:31:04.000 They have no emotional connection to you or Adam.

01:31:07.000 And guess what, fuckface?

01:31:08.000 That's going to be a real uncomfortable feeling.

01:31:10.000 And people need to understand that.

01:31:12.000 That's what it's called.

01:31:13.000 It's called internet video.

01:31:14.000 And that's called the free market.

01:31:16.000 Yeah.

01:31:16.000 Absolutely.

01:31:17.000 Yeah.

01:31:17.000 It's basically the same thing.

01:31:18.000 And the government is in front of that.

01:31:19.000 When you say the government's going to run public safety, that's what you get.

01:31:22.000 Yeah.

01:31:22.000 Well, it doesn't have to be that way.

01:31:24.000 First of all, it should be much more of it.

01:31:26.000 I always say much more.

01:31:27.000 So you're on board.

01:31:28.000 I can sign you up for a tour with the revolution.

01:31:31.000 But this podcast, and I like to play pool.

01:31:33.000 I'm very busy doing comedy.

01:31:34.000 But no, you know, that's the thing.

01:31:35.000 I'm in the revolution if I'm in.

01:31:36.000 No, you know what?

01:31:38.000 You absolutely are, to be fair, because you are spreading important information and you are sharing a very important perspective that is about challenging authority.

01:31:45.000 But, you know, there are a lot of people.

01:31:46.000 Well, it's about challenging yourself.

01:31:48.000 It's challenging yourself as well.

01:31:51.000 What I've always said is that what's going to change this world is the youth.

01:31:54.000 The people that are growing up right now, the people that are listening to this in their dorm rooms, the people that are listening to this in their high school bedroom where they're trying to keep it down because their dad would yell at them because he disagrees with all the shit we're talking about.

01:32:05.000 Those are the people that are going to be involved and exposed to information that our generation and the previous generations, the rum spells of the world, they never thought that this was going to be an option.

01:32:16.000 They never thought that information would be so freely distributed between anyone, everywhere, all over the world.

01:32:22.000 That was never in the plan.

01:32:24.000 They thought they're going to be able to run shit, business as usual.

01:32:27.000 So what we're seeing now with world dominance and the craziness and the chaos of foreign policy, we're seeing like the last ripples of this emerging creature, this emerging new human technology symbiote.

01:32:42.000 So right now it's pushing all the old things out.

01:32:45.000 It's pushing all the old paradigms away.

01:32:48.000 It's going to dissolve standard forms of government and law enforcement.

01:32:52.000 It's going to dissolve all that shit.

01:32:54.000 Because you're going to be a part of everybody.

01:32:56.000 It's going to happen.

01:32:58.000 That's where it's going.

01:32:59.000 It's going to be technological or it'll be the next stage of our physical evolution, if you're allowed to use that term when it comes to something that's technologically driven.

01:33:08.000 Because I think it may be.

01:33:10.000 I think it may be something that someone creates.

01:33:12.000 And they create an ability to enhance the human body.

01:33:14.000 And if you look at what they're doing now with genetic engineering, they're creating fucking bladders and petri dishes.

01:33:20.000 They're working on developing artificial organs.

01:33:23.000 Eventually, they're going to look at the, once they figure out more and more and more about the human body, they're going to figure out parts of it.

01:33:30.000 They're going to go, we're just going to fix everything.

01:33:32.000 We're just going to turn this into, we're just going to remove all the greed.

01:33:36.000 There's no more greed.

01:33:37.000 And we're going to install community.

01:33:39.000 This is the newest formula.

01:33:41.000 We've developed a new brain.

01:33:42.000 It's simpler than that.

01:33:43.000 It's simpler than that.

01:33:44.000 Therapy, man.

01:33:46.000 Everybody just gets therapy and government goes away.

01:33:46.000 Therapy.

01:33:49.000 Really?

01:33:49.000 Do you think that therapy is good enough to work on everybody?

01:33:52.000 Well, eventually, as we have greater just prosperity in general, we have more leisure time to address these issues.

01:33:58.000 We have more time that we're not spending scrambling to maintain our quality of life.

01:34:01.000 Yeah.

01:34:02.000 I think that's one of the next phases we're going to be coming to.

01:34:04.000 Well, if we got an issue, you have to start with the poorest part of the country, right?

01:34:10.000 If you're allowed to use your resources here only, because otherwise we should start at the poorest part of the world.

01:34:16.000 You really should be trying to balance this whole motherfucker out.

01:34:19.000 I mean, that should be the ultimate goal because there could be no real peace until there's some sort of a balance.

01:34:23.000 I'm going to put every human being equitably into the market.

01:34:26.000 So then means anybody can move to America.

01:34:29.000 Yeah.

01:34:29.000 That's a problem.

01:34:31.000 Dude, the highway is so fucking crowded right now.

01:34:31.000 No.

01:34:34.000 Do you know how crazy it would be if Indians could just come here on their own free will?

01:34:38.000 There's a billion of them.

01:34:39.000 You ready to apply Austrian economics in a way that's going to bake your noodle just a little bit when you talk about roads and the government monopoly and subsidization of the auto industry and the oil and gas industry?

01:34:50.000 If we didn't have the government doing that and Eisenhower, who built the interstate highway system to serve the needs of the military, and like where I live in New Mexico or where I'm from in New Mexico, where the Speaker of the State House can have an intersection moved to where he wants it to make his land worth more, and we didn't have all that happening being forced into that, we would be, we're already at the point where we should have cars that are self-driving.

01:35:13.000 But if it wasn't for government, keeping all this research and development stifled with intellectual property, you know, who killed the electric car?

01:35:19.000 Have you seen the documentary?

01:35:21.000 Imagine how much you see just that one government policy of intellectual property.

01:35:26.000 So that, oh, you invented a battery and you bought a piece of paper that describes it from someone.

01:35:30.000 You can keep that from humanity.

01:35:32.000 I mean, do you see how much that holds us back?

01:35:34.000 You see how much the exploitation by government keeps us from evolving into that state of greater technology?

01:35:38.000 I mean, even like, why do we not have self-driving cars right now?

01:35:44.000 Because we're not in the roaring 20s of the technological era.

01:35:48.000 This is the last time we're allowed to do it.

01:35:51.000 No, it's still holding us back.

01:35:53.000 No, incredible.

01:35:53.000 It's a little romantic to be able to hear the rumble of a V8 and step on the gas when you want to, instead of just being trapped in a fucking grid like your own little trolley car.

01:36:02.000 Maybe you want to have a little passion.

01:36:04.000 Drive a fucking car.

01:36:04.000 Man, I can't believe it.

01:36:06.000 I can't fucking believe there's so many goddamn liberal statists here in Southern California when all around them they are wasting hours and hours and hours of their day.

01:36:14.000 Well, I guess it's because they sit there and they listen to propaganda NPR and they're in their cars.

01:36:19.000 Yeah, but they're sitting there and they don't know about it.

01:36:21.000 Geez, maybe having the government manage transportation resources isn't a good idea.

01:36:27.000 Well, I don't think that's what they're thinking.

01:36:28.000 They're thinking, how the fuck can I get to work?

01:36:29.000 Well, it's because they're propagandized the whole time they're in the car to begin with.

01:36:32.000 Well, I don't know if that's necessarily what their problem is.

01:36:35.000 Their problem is they have to work.

01:36:36.000 Their problem is that they have to have a job.

01:36:38.000 And if you have to be in fucking Santa Monica at 9 o'clock in the morning, there's only one way to do it.

01:36:42.000 You've got to get on the phone.

01:36:42.000 It's a lot of looking at what we're doing.

01:36:44.000 But that's not necessarily designed by the government to keep you stupid.

01:36:47.000 That's just we don't have that fucking resource.

01:36:49.000 We have too many goddamn people.

01:36:50.000 No, that's a side effect of government, though.

01:36:52.000 That's a side effect of them being incompetent, right?

01:36:54.000 Yes.

01:36:55.000 And that you have through the system of concentrations of wealth and power, you have unnatural incentives to live in concentrated population areas.

01:37:02.000 And if anything, L.A. is still relatively spread out.

01:37:05.000 I mean, compared to certain cities on the East Coast or in Asia.

01:37:09.000 I think they said Vancouver is the most densely populated city in this continent, which I thought was really fascinating.

01:37:16.000 I would have never thought that it was that crowded, but I guess it's smaller, and it's got a high population.

01:37:21.000 Like these areas of Vancouver that are most densely...

01:37:25.000 Wouldn't you have thought that it was New York would be more densely populated?

01:37:28.000 They have Central Park in the middle still.

01:37:30.000 Yeah, that's true.

01:37:31.000 Yeah.

01:37:32.000 Yeah, it's New York's a great place, though.

01:37:35.000 It's a fascinating place.

01:37:36.000 It's certainly a hive of instant energy.

01:37:36.000 Yeah.

01:37:39.000 I'd never want to live there, but it is a fun place to visit.

01:37:42.000 I agree with you.

01:37:43.000 I've thought about spending time there.

01:37:44.000 I've thought about maybe living there for a couple months just for a goof, just to see what it's.

01:37:48.000 I think it's good to mix your brain up.

01:37:52.000 I almost moved there for a girlfriend.

01:37:54.000 Oh, she's an older one.

01:37:55.000 Dude, you need a friend.

01:37:55.000 I know.

01:37:56.000 You need a friend.

01:37:57.000 Hey, Joe.

01:37:57.000 You need someone who's going to talk to you when it comes to shit like this.

01:38:00.000 Can't get too crazy, son.

01:38:01.000 I have an awesome app.

01:38:03.000 I have an awesome new app that's going to blow your mind.

01:38:05.000 It's going to make you kind of freak out a little.

01:38:07.000 It's a program called Crime Map, and you can download it on your iPhone.

01:38:11.000 I'm not sure if Android or not.

01:38:13.000 And it uses GPS to tell you where you're at.

01:38:15.000 It uses the map, but then it tells you all the crimes around that has happened.

01:38:21.000 And within one day, just where I live, there's burglary, there's been assaults, there's been home invasions.

01:38:30.000 And it will freak you the fuck out.

01:38:32.000 And that was all just Andy Dick.

01:38:34.000 Yeah.

01:38:34.000 But look at this.

01:38:36.000 Here's an example of where we're at right now at the ice house.

01:38:39.000 And you can see that there's been car accidents and crimes.

01:38:42.000 There's been one mugging, it looks like.

01:38:46.000 And if you just zoom out, look at this.

01:38:48.000 This is going to freak you out, though.

01:38:50.000 Like just for Pasadena yesterday.

01:38:54.000 Just like, look how much fucking crime.

01:38:58.000 And like car accidents and shit like that.

01:39:01.000 Wow.

01:39:02.000 And it's cool to do that at your house, though, because then you're like, what the fuck happened on the street?

01:39:06.000 See, I think something like this goes back to this problem that I have with the human body in this technological society.

01:39:12.000 It's not capable of keeping up with everything.

01:39:15.000 There's too much shit coming at you.

01:39:16.000 And there's too much shit coming at you that you really don't need to know about.

01:39:20.000 I mean, maybe you should know that there have been 150 different car accidents in Pasadena, but that is going to fuck with your head, man.

01:39:28.000 There is such a thing as rational ignorance.

01:39:29.000 Yeah, you should be dealing with your life and your reality right now, but instead you're dealing with realities hundreds of yards away, a mile away, six miles away, and all these realities are interfering into your reality.

01:39:42.000 But also, wouldn't you like to know, just for safety reasons, like be able to check your house and be like, holy shit, there's been seven home invasions in the last two weeks.

01:39:49.000 I need to up my shit here before I get it.

01:39:51.000 No, you got a good point.

01:39:51.000 Most certainly, yeah.

01:39:52.000 No doubt about it.

01:39:53.000 All I'm saying is it's just weird that we have this ancient brain.

01:39:56.000 It's certainly a good quality.

01:39:58.000 I certainly prefer to be able to access information than not.

01:40:01.000 But it's a weird brain that we have where we essentially have the same mind of people that lived in the past when you just write things down on animal skins.

01:40:11.000 Those dudes, when we find their parchments, their brains are exactly the same as ours.

01:40:15.000 When they find 2,000-year-old documents or 1,000-year-old, holy shit, their brains were exactly like ours.

01:40:22.000 But think of how much more shit is in ours.

01:40:24.000 Yeah, but we're also not remembering.

01:40:26.000 We don't know how to fucking skin a fucking goat and use its skin as a brawl or something.

01:40:31.000 That's true, too.

01:40:32.000 So it took stuff away that we don't have to use anything.

01:40:35.000 Yeah, but no, the access to information, dude.

01:40:37.000 No, the access to information.

01:40:38.000 You're finding out about things that are happening in Pakistan and Syria and Japan.

01:40:43.000 There's a nuclear problem and what's going on in Russia and Chechen and the Philippines.

01:40:48.000 And there's an earthquake in Thailand.

01:40:50.000 And this shit is coming at you all day, every day.

01:40:54.000 If you get on Twitter, if you get on CNN.com, if you go and access the news sites, you're constantly inundated by actions and things that are happening that literally have nothing to do with you.

01:41:04.000 But it's a constant barrage of them because you are in contact with essentially billions of people and all the information that they project out there into the internet.

01:41:14.000 And our little shitty brains are not meant to have that much information coming at us.

01:41:20.000 We still have this tribal body that wants to move around and find animals and grow vegetables.

01:41:26.000 And this is the same fucking body.

01:41:29.000 And this body is getting YouTube videos and fucking all kinds of crazy information coming at it all day, 24 hours a day.

01:41:37.000 It's almost like we're standing in the middle of a river and we're just trying to hold on to the water.

01:41:43.000 It's almost like it's too much.

01:41:44.000 It's almost like for every one person, there's way too much information that you have to absorb about everything.

01:41:50.000 It's like, to even focus on one thing, it's like you could give your whole life to politics.

01:41:56.000 Give your whole life to observing politics.

01:41:58.000 You still barely have a grasp on everything that's going on.

01:42:02.000 All the sneaky little fucking underhanded deals that are taking place all over the place.

01:42:06.000 How could you possibly manage them?

01:42:07.000 How could you possibly even research them?

01:42:09.000 How could you possibly even read all the documents that have been transcribed about every different case?

01:42:14.000 You can't.

01:42:15.000 It's insanity.

01:42:16.000 The people passing the laws don't even read them.

01:42:19.000 Yeah, what I was talking about before, but we're all a part of something.

01:42:22.000 We all are a part of this weird fucking machine of humanity.

01:42:27.000 And some people, their part is to figure out how to make an alienware computer.

01:42:31.000 Your part is to rile people up on the internet.

01:42:33.000 I don't know what the fuck my part is, but everybody has a piece.

01:42:37.000 The dude rile people up on the internet.

01:42:39.000 Dudes who are making cars, they have a part.

01:42:41.000 You get people passionate because you are passionate because you care and you understand on the syllable.

01:42:45.000 Let me go back to what Brian said because he said something really profound about it.

01:42:51.000 You just woke up the dragon.

01:42:53.000 Woke up the dragon.

01:42:54.000 Yeah, right.

01:42:55.000 No, because what you said about every development, like taking away a part of what it is to be a human being, right?

01:43:01.000 And I remember just reading that.

01:43:02.000 What it used to be to be a human being, like hunting and trapping and fishing and living off the land, growing your own vegetables, knowing what to eat when you're sick.

01:43:16.000 Try fucking living off the land.

01:43:17.000 Good luck.

01:43:18.000 Is that not some way evolutionary?

01:43:23.000 You can't hold a job and live off the land at the same time.

01:43:25.000 But I can explain this, actually, through my last DMT experience.

01:43:31.000 Oh.

01:43:32.000 Which is really interesting because I've been posting my DMT experiences on my YouTube channel.

01:43:32.000 I know.

01:43:38.000 That's a good way to get arrested.

01:43:39.000 Yeah, I've had three sessions.

01:43:41.000 I've been arrested enough times.

01:43:43.000 They're not going to come after me for that.

01:43:46.000 I've had three sessions every time I've smoked twice.

01:43:50.000 And this last time has been exponentially more complex.

01:43:53.000 The first time started with a blob of psychedelic colors.

01:43:59.000 The second time It had a bit of a female personality and a bit of a form to it, but not much more.

01:44:06.000 The third time, I saw building structures and scenery type stuff.

01:44:12.000 And the fourth time, I saw what I described as my face being raped with the truth of the universe, and it was this complex vision.

01:44:20.000 And the last time, the third time, in the first launch, I saw a pattern of like colored bricks moving at me, unfolding in different ways, and going through different color shifts and showing different shapes.

01:44:33.000 And it was like, wow, now it's really complex and trying to show me something.

01:44:38.000 And then I did another rip right then, as soon as I came out of that one.

01:44:41.000 And I spent half the time laughing.

01:44:43.000 It was just such a beautiful experience.

01:44:44.000 But I couldn't even describe the whole thing.

01:44:46.000 And I was videotaping it, so I tried afterwards to talk to the camera and describe everything I did.

01:44:51.000 And this one, actually, as we speak, Adam versus the DMT part two and 2.1 are uploading with disclaimers on them.

01:44:58.000 And then part three is in the can, and I'm going to be editing it soon.

01:45:02.000 But that second trip and the third time was just overwhelming.

01:45:07.000 I couldn't even describe it.

01:45:08.000 And it was so much coming at me in different forms and in different colors and different shapes.

01:45:14.000 But what I experienced in the middle of that just had me laughing with joy the entire time was an experience of the pure human will.

01:45:22.000 And at first, it was like a vision of a brain floating in a psychedelic space, whatever.

01:45:30.000 I don't even know how to describe it.

01:45:33.000 And I'm sure you know what I'm talking about, though, where you're in that spacelessness experience.

01:45:40.000 And then it wasn't the brain.

01:45:42.000 And then it was my consciousness.

01:45:44.000 And you realize that your consciousness is separate from your brain, and that it's still a product of your biology, but that there is something in the middle of it that is the human will, that is distinct, that is who we are.

01:45:58.000 Because if you think about it, we're not particles, we're waves.

01:46:01.000 You know, what defines us is not our matter that is recycled every seven years or whatever it is that all your cells are replaced in your body.

01:46:09.000 You are a wave of energy.

01:46:10.000 Everything that gives you identity as a human being, as an entity, is a wave.

01:46:14.000 And what I experienced was Well, what gives you form.

01:46:19.000 It's not your body.

01:46:19.000 It's not the material of your body.

01:46:21.000 It's the course of your life.

01:46:22.000 The person that you were as a baby, the body that you were seven years later, did not have a single molecule in it that was in it when you were born.

01:46:30.000 And every seven years, your entire body is replaced.

01:46:32.000 And all matter can be analyzed.

01:46:34.000 Your neurons.

01:46:35.000 Right.

01:46:35.000 Well, even then, the molecules are cycled out.

01:46:41.000 It doesn't matter.

01:46:42.000 I'm not a physicist.

01:46:43.000 I don't care about the details of that.

01:46:44.000 I think you're thinking about your life.

01:46:46.000 That's why neurodegenerative diseases are.

01:46:47.000 Yeah, the cell structures you do, absolutely.

01:46:49.000 You really heal from them.

01:46:50.000 But all of the matter is recycled.

01:46:55.000 I mean, if you go down to the submolecular level, everything can be analyzed as a particle or a wave.

01:47:02.000 Okay, I just was trying to figure out what's the best way for someone to try to wrap their head around what you mean by that.

01:47:10.000 Because I kind of understand what you're saying, but when you say you're not a particle, you're a wave.

01:47:15.000 What exactly do you mean by that?

01:47:16.000 Well, what are you?

01:47:18.000 What defines you?

01:47:20.000 This isn't a question of physics.

01:47:21.000 This is a question of philosophy.

01:47:22.000 What defines you, Joe Rogan?

01:47:24.000 Who are you?

01:47:24.000 I'm just this dude that gets to say what Joe Rogan does.

01:47:27.000 But are you the matter in your body?

01:47:30.000 I'm certainly my consciousness and my choices.

01:47:32.000 So are you the thoughts in your brain?

01:47:34.000 I would imagine that you are wherever the thoughts resonate from.

01:47:40.000 Whether or not it really is in your brain or whether it's in every aspect of your body, it's just your brain projects it.

01:47:46.000 Whether or not it's even the brain that projects it, whether the brain tunes it in, whether it's like a frequency and you just use this body as a vehicle.

01:47:52.000 There's people that believe that.

01:47:54.000 I don't know.

01:47:55.000 But that's what I experienced.

01:47:56.000 What I experienced in my last DMT.

01:47:58.000 Right, but you were high as fuck.

01:47:59.000 That's true.

01:48:00.000 You've got to always remember, you were high as fuck.

01:48:02.000 Whenever someone tells me they had a psychedelic experience, I said, look, I've had a lot of them.

01:48:06.000 They've changed my life.

01:48:07.000 They're beautiful.

01:48:08.000 They're amazing.

01:48:09.000 Whatever that comes out of it.

01:48:10.000 But you always have to open the door to the possibility that you were just high as fuck.

01:48:15.000 And this is some shit that you might have already known anyway.

01:48:17.000 Oh, no, I do.

01:48:18.000 I believe so.

01:48:19.000 I don't know whether or not you're really communicating with somebody when you do DMT.

01:48:22.000 It seems like.

01:48:23.000 Oh, I don't believe.

01:48:24.000 No, I don't believe in any of that shit.

01:48:25.000 I don't believe in any of this.

01:48:26.000 It might be, man.

01:48:27.000 It might be life force.

01:48:28.000 No, I believe it does something to your brain.

01:48:30.000 You learn something to yourself and things are exposed to your consciousness that wouldn't be otherwise.

01:48:30.000 It's something around you.

01:48:35.000 It could be that, but it also could be some sort of a chemical doorway to another dimension.

01:48:35.000 I think that's really important.

01:48:40.000 Communication.

01:48:40.000 I don't buy any of that.

01:48:41.000 Why not?

01:48:41.000 I don't buy any of that.

01:48:42.000 Well, the evidence is that dimethyltryptamine is something they believe your body produces when you're in periods of extreme stress or when your body thinks it's going to die.

01:48:50.000 And if you follow all the different myths and different cultures, beliefs in the afterlife, I mean, so many of them involve going towards the light and these crazy visions.

01:49:02.000 And what those are probably are near-death experiences because your brain is tripping out on DMT.

01:49:08.000 And that can very well be real that we think of, we only think of ourselves as real because we can make noise, we can hit yourself.

01:49:16.000 You feel real.

01:49:17.000 But we know, like, from physics, that 99% of this is empty space.

01:49:21.000 Right, yeah.

01:49:22.000 We don't, yeah, yeah.

01:49:23.000 Well, that's certainly a part of the problem.

01:49:25.000 We don't necessarily know what the fuck is really going on here.

01:49:29.000 You know, this thing really might be a simulation.

01:49:32.000 But this is what I get science behind that.

01:49:35.000 This is what I experienced, and this is what was profound about it to me, was that it was, I could only describe it as pure human will.

01:49:42.000 And I don't want to say it was an out-of-body experience because that describes it wrong, but it was an experience where my consciousness was separated from the rest of my being.

01:49:51.000 That was what you took out of it.

01:49:52.000 You felt like.

01:49:53.000 That was what the experience was for me.

01:49:55.000 And that was a very empowering experience.

01:49:58.000 And to get back to what Brian said.

01:50:00.000 When you say by your being, do you mean by like your culture or your language?

01:50:06.000 Like you were free of all that.

01:50:08.000 You were just a being.

01:50:09.000 Did you feel that?

01:50:10.000 Yeah.

01:50:11.000 With no context, right?

01:50:12.000 No context.

01:50:13.000 It was like a singularity.

01:50:15.000 And it's funny.

01:50:16.000 This is how I think of the effect of marijuana when I smoke weed usually.

01:50:21.000 And it's that if your consciousness is, and this is a crude metaphor, but a point moving around in your brain, a point of light, say, Then marijuana makes it a more diffuse light.

01:50:32.000 And sometimes that means exploring different things.

01:50:34.000 And I think that explains the creative, legendary benefits of marijuana.

01:50:39.000 I agree.

01:50:40.000 But it also means it's sometimes harder to put sentences together.

01:50:43.000 Yes.

01:50:44.000 And sometimes it's hard to really get the idea and hold it down.

01:50:49.000 You know, it's like these new doors present themselves and you have to stop and look at it all and go.

01:50:54.000 But I'm inspired, man.

01:50:55.000 This is a really exciting thing for me to get to be on your podcast.

01:50:59.000 Well, I'm inspired to have you on, man.

01:51:01.000 It's cool to hear that you enjoy the show.

01:51:03.000 So anyway, to what Brian was saying, though, to what Brian was saying about...

01:51:11.000 Something about fucking a Jack Daniels bottle or something, I think.

01:51:14.000 Yeah, that's what it was.

01:51:15.000 No, it was about goats.

01:51:16.000 It was about people forget how to kill goats and shit and make bikinis out of them.

01:51:21.000 I don't think they ever really did historically.

01:51:23.000 We can see the technological singularity coming, right?

01:51:26.000 We can see that coming.

01:51:29.000 We can see sooner or later, you know, we're going to have taco copters and food's going to drop out of the sky for us and our cars will drive themselves or whatever the case is going to be.

01:51:36.000 But I think that there's something else coming, you know, when every surface around us is a touchscreen and we just get to that level of prosperity.

01:51:43.000 And that's coming within our lifetimes because it's happening so exponentially.

01:51:47.000 I see this as, you know, who knows how long it's going to take.

01:51:51.000 But again, an urgency for me to help humanity evolve past statism.

01:51:55.000 But that what we're coming to is a state of greater experience in our day-to-day lives of that pure human will, that we're evolving to that.

01:52:02.000 And you know, I know this is silly, but the first time I heard the term technological singularity, which describes that point at which we have computers smarter than human brains, is I thought, oh, that's when all of our brains are plugged into the matrix and we're all this hive mind and we've all replaced every individual brain cell in our skulls with computer chips.

01:52:21.000 But who knows what that's going to look like, but what we're going to experience as human beings.

01:52:25.000 And who knows if our waves are going to ride that long, if they're going to last that long.

01:52:30.000 But I think most people alive today, especially young people, are going to live to experience this.

01:52:35.000 And we have a special motivation then to make sure that the world that experiences this technology is one that has evolved past statism, this thing of government, of imposing our will on others by force, of saying, well, if it's 51%, then it's okay.

01:52:50.000 Of engaging in this truly pathological behavior.

01:52:54.000 But I'm obviously very optimistic.

01:52:55.000 Yeah, no, you are very optimistic, and I hope you're right.

01:52:59.000 You might be.

01:53:00.000 Who the fuck knows?

01:53:01.000 I would love it if the story turned out that we all pulled it together in the long run.

01:53:04.000 I'm constantly disappointed by people.

01:53:05.000 I'm constantly disappointed by stories.

01:53:07.000 When I hear about the collapse of Greece and all that, I'm constantly disappointed.

01:53:11.000 Like, really?

01:53:12.000 Can anybody fucking keep it together anywhere?

01:53:14.000 I'm constantly disappointed.

01:53:15.000 So you want to stand currency on that note?

01:53:17.000 Hold on a second.

01:53:18.000 But then I also look at all the shit that people have accomplished.

01:53:21.000 Who the fuck ever would have figured out how to build a bridge?

01:53:23.000 Who the fuck ever figured out how to make airplanes?

01:53:26.000 How is there a dude who really figured out how to put satellites up in the air so I can watch direct TV?

01:53:31.000 How did all that happen?

01:53:33.000 And if all that happened, I hold out hope for the possibility that people could, as much as they have achieved creatively and technologically and with ingenuity, could also reach a same level of excellence with their social engineering and the way they treat each other and the way they develop a community and the way they project the idea that it's way better to have a world where everyone is happy than to have a world where a few people dominate people.

01:54:02.000 And we have to figure out how to do it from the ground up and it's got to be, you've got to figure out how to raise children better.

01:54:07.000 You've got to figure out how to raise children better.

01:54:09.000 You've got to deal with children that are in foster homes.

01:54:12.000 And that's got to be handled way better.

01:54:14.000 You have to look at human beings as resources and potential problems if they're not.

01:54:19.000 The last thing anybody wants to do is grow up through life just constantly dealing with a fucked up childhood.

01:54:25.000 I have so many friends that were abused as children and they are constantly in battle with this, well into their 30s, constantly at battle with their childhood.

01:54:35.000 And that's because people raising kids, they just do it their way.

01:54:41.000 It's the most important resource that we have as human beings.

01:54:45.000 And we used to have a whole fucking community.

01:54:47.000 We used to have tribes of us, 50, 60 monkey people.

01:54:50.000 And we all fucked each other, so nobody knew who the real daddy was anyway.

01:54:53.000 And they were raising these babies.

01:54:55.000 And the whole community and the tribe raised each other.

01:54:58.000 They all stayed together.

01:55:00.000 When that shit slowly started expanding into cities and people slowly lost their, you know, you get that diffusion of responsibility feeling where things are happening.

01:55:10.000 It doesn't feel like it belongs to you.

01:55:11.000 It's all those people over there.

01:55:13.000 You can't be living with those people over there.

01:55:15.000 It should be a giant community or not.

01:55:18.000 This is like some half-assed way we're doing it today.

01:55:21.000 The way we're treating our society.

01:55:22.000 It's like it's like, you're in my tribe, but you're not really, because I don't know you, dude.

01:55:26.000 You know, you just live down the hall from me.

01:55:28.000 But still, we're all in the same fucking tribe.

01:55:30.000 That's the weirdest thing ever.

01:55:31.000 It's like your enemy could be inside your tribe.

01:55:34.000 That should be impossible.

01:55:36.000 We should figure out a way where we are treating everybody the same way.

01:55:40.000 This is one of the specific benefits of technology I'm looking forward to in the immediate future.

01:55:45.000 And it's scary when government controls shit like the laser that can read your chemistry from shit like that.

01:55:54.000 But if you think about it, you know, what we have with, we're about to have a head-mounted iPhone, right?

01:55:59.000 We've got Google glasses.

01:56:00.000 Right.

01:56:01.000 That shit's getting smaller, faster, better.

01:56:03.000 That laser thing, eventually that's going to be embedded in your contact lens with the rest of your smartphone and your.

01:56:07.000 Shove it in your ass in an injection, son.

01:56:09.000 Eventually.

01:56:10.000 It's going to be an injection.

01:56:11.000 It's going to be an intramuscular.

01:56:12.000 You get in the ass because it's a big muscle.

01:56:13.000 It's not going to hurt.

01:56:14.000 It's going to be deep inside the tissue.

01:56:16.000 Boom, you're hooked up for Wi-Fi.

01:56:18.000 But you've got information coming in, Google.

01:56:21.000 The only problem is if the early chips fuck up, they have to go in your ass and pull them out.

01:56:26.000 And sometimes you keep a scar.

01:56:28.000 People would do it.

01:56:28.000 Start rusting.

01:56:29.000 I feel like the inevitable symbiotic connection between humans and machines is no clearly more easily proven than with phones.

01:56:39.000 Oh, yeah.

01:56:39.000 Absolutely.

01:56:40.000 I fucking panic if I leave my phone.

01:56:43.000 If I drive in my car and I've left my house and I'm like, I don't have my phone.

01:56:47.000 I'll be 10 minutes late.

01:56:47.000 Oh, yeah.

01:56:49.000 And rather than not be there with my phone.

01:56:51.000 Or you'll be getting the shakes, right?

01:56:53.000 Have you tried to milk yourself away from that?

01:56:56.000 Like, I've been slowly milking myself away from Facebook and Twitter and my phone.

01:57:01.000 Like, I used to be like, every time somebody texts me, I have to text them back and I have to do the call.

01:57:06.000 Now, I just don't even, like, I'll throw my phone and just not look at it for two hours just because it actually is.

01:57:11.000 You say like two hours is a long time.

01:57:12.000 I know, exactly.

01:57:13.000 But before I was like, every 10 minutes, I was checking my Twitter or replying to a text.

01:57:18.000 I'm trying not to do that.

01:57:20.000 I don't want to even bother my phone now.

01:57:22.000 Well, how crazy is Doug Benson that Doug Benson gets all of his tweets on his phone?

01:57:26.000 So if you really want to fuck with Doug Benson, just tweet him a lot of shit all day, and he will constantly get fucking vibrations in his pocket.

01:57:34.000 That's the silliest thing about it that his phone doesn't, he can't, you don't get any of his messages.

01:57:40.000 I don't get any of his tweets.

01:57:41.000 Or his text, rather.

01:57:42.000 He sent me like four or five texts.

01:57:43.000 I didn't get a single one of them.

01:57:44.000 You know, he did it again the following day.

01:57:47.000 He's just been like, you get this, you get this?

01:57:49.000 You get this?

01:57:50.000 And it doesn't say delivered like how it does.

01:57:50.000 Nope.

01:57:52.000 But then you text him and it worked fine.

01:57:54.000 That's so strange.

01:57:55.000 But then he texts me back and it was okay.

01:57:57.000 Yeah.

01:57:58.000 He texts me back.

01:58:00.000 It doesn't make any sense, man.

01:58:01.000 Yeah, he was showing me all the texts.

01:58:02.000 He'd been since June 20th.

01:58:04.000 It's probably the CIA.

01:58:05.000 The CIA and the DEA are looking at him as a potential source for all the marijuana in California.

01:58:11.000 Can you imagine if he found out that Doug was a giant drug dealer and that he was being wired?

01:58:15.000 That's why he's following us around.

01:58:17.000 The CIA had already compromised him.

01:58:19.000 We were in Vegas after the show.

01:58:20.000 We went to go play some slot machines, and we were both smoking out of apples, you know, just like getting smoked.

01:58:30.000 I shouldn't even say that on the internet because some of you fucks are going to lock onto that and think I was being serious.

01:58:35.000 Sorry.

01:58:35.000 But we were smoking some kind of butter or something out of an apple, like weed butter.

01:58:39.000 Smoking weed butter?

01:58:41.000 Or something.

01:58:42.000 I forget what it was called.

01:58:43.000 Something weird.

01:58:45.000 But we got so stoned we went to go play slots and we found the Wizard of Oz slot machine.

01:58:50.000 And if you ever have a chance, get really fucking baked and play that.

01:58:53.000 It trips us out.

01:58:55.000 We were blown away.

01:58:56.000 We like both almost having panic attacks playing this slot machine.

01:58:59.000 It's just really intense.

01:59:00.000 It has like this really good sound system that's all around you and then like this humongous screen and it's just a trip.

01:59:06.000 It's like Wizard of Oz slots.

01:59:09.000 You're freaking out and you're constantly checking your little crime tracker.

01:59:12.000 Right.

01:59:13.000 Oh, there's a mugger right behind us.

01:59:14.000 There's a hooker right behind us.

01:59:15.000 That's what they need, a hooker tracker, where like it's like it shows you how many hookers are.

01:59:19.000 72 at Mandalay Bay.

01:59:21.000 It's coming.

01:59:21.000 Let's go.

01:59:22.000 I guarantee it's coming.

01:59:24.000 And they should have like, people should have like yellow lights over their head.

01:59:27.000 Like, well, she's not really a hooker, but she has been thinking about it.

01:59:31.000 She does have some bills.

01:59:34.000 Have you ever stared at the wind?

01:59:35.000 That's that's amazing.

01:59:37.000 Like all tens everywhere.

01:59:37.000 Amazing.

01:59:39.000 There's so much security, though, that you're not allowed, like the nightclubs, you're not allowed to stop and just stare at the nightclub for a second, or you have this guy coming out of nowhere that goes, please continue to walk.

01:59:49.000 Well, we just found the next location from Adam Kokesh versus the man coming to you live, civil disobedience, body slammed in Vegas.

01:59:59.000 Silly people.

02:00:01.000 Silly, silly people.

02:00:03.000 The wind is where that's that DJ Tiesto guy, right?

02:00:06.000 What kind of music do you listen to, dude?

02:00:06.000 Yeah.

02:00:07.000 Like all rage against a machine, all day.

02:00:10.000 I'm glad you would say that, but no, it's fish.

02:00:12.000 Fuck you, I won't do it.

02:00:13.000 You tell me.

02:00:14.000 Fuck you.

02:00:15.000 I won't do it.

02:00:16.000 I'm kind of embarrassed to answer that.

02:00:17.000 I don't have time for music anymore.

02:00:19.000 Oh, you're one of those guys.

02:00:21.000 You put on Pandora for, you know, for the jobs.

02:00:25.000 What do you do with your time that you don't have to do?

02:00:29.000 All I do is this.

02:00:30.000 I read the news.

02:00:30.000 I make YouTube videos.

02:00:32.000 I'm getting better about my daily routine and getting enough sleep.

02:00:35.000 I used to be really manic and stay up all night editing videos.

02:00:38.000 That always makes you look a little less crazy.

02:00:40.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:00:41.000 Exactly.

02:00:41.000 No, people are going to be able to get a lot of people.

02:00:42.000 You're already ranting about the government.

02:00:44.000 He's stoned.

02:00:45.000 It's like, no, you know when I'm stoned.

02:00:47.000 So you're just staying up making these videos and putting them out.

02:00:50.000 Well, now I'm getting better about my routine.

02:00:51.000 I'm getting some interns that are really helpful and are able to maintain my productivity.

02:00:56.000 Yeah, well, I've actually been operating as an LLC for the last couple years.

02:01:00.000 You are the man, dude.

02:01:01.000 You're part of the machine.

02:01:03.000 You're an LLC.

02:01:04.000 No, this is how I don't pay as many taxes.

02:01:08.000 Exactly.

02:01:09.000 You give the man less weapons.

02:01:10.000 Exactly.

02:01:11.000 I'm not coming after funding.

02:01:13.000 You can protest all you want as long as you keep paying your taxes.

02:01:16.000 Pretty ridiculous that the government doesn't give you a receipt.

02:01:18.000 Like, tell me what you spent my money on.

02:01:20.000 Can you at least give me a breakdown?

02:01:22.000 They don't even have the courtesy to give you a breakdown.

02:01:25.000 You know, Mr. Kokash, you spent $40,000 in taxes last year.

02:01:29.000 This is what it went to.

02:01:30.000 You have to dig for it.

02:01:32.000 But no, 90% of my time that I'm outside of the house, if it's not for work, like going to political events.

02:01:40.000 But it's not work.

02:01:41.000 I love what I do.

02:01:42.000 I don't consider any of it work.

02:01:43.000 You're driven.

02:01:44.000 I love it.

02:01:44.000 I absolutely love it.

02:01:45.000 Yeah.

02:01:45.000 And there are parts of it that are work, but it's as a whole, it's not work.

02:01:49.000 I mean, I love doing it.

02:01:50.000 Yeah, I mean, we could say it's not work.

02:01:53.000 There's always work involved, even in not work, even athletics.

02:01:56.000 It's fucking work involved and everything.

02:01:59.000 But you want to do it because you want the results.

02:02:02.000 It's a different feeling than working for somebody.

02:02:04.000 And I'm not working for an intrinsic goal or for an extrinsic goal.

02:02:07.000 I'm enjoying the experience.

02:02:08.000 I'm loving my life.

02:02:09.000 And you're doing it in the right frame of mind, with the right spirit.

02:02:13.000 You're doing it in the spirit of trying to change things and help things.

02:02:15.000 You're not doing it in the spirit of self-aggrandization or not trying to pump yourself up.

02:02:22.000 So I go to Whole Foods, I go to Target, I go to the gym.

02:02:26.000 I go to Gold's Gym.

02:02:27.000 Self-aggrandization.

02:02:28.000 How do you say it?

02:02:28.000 Yeah.

02:02:30.000 How do you say it, Brian?

02:02:31.000 What?

02:02:31.000 Self-aggrandization.

02:02:35.000 Is that what it is?

02:02:35.000 That's what it is, right?

02:02:36.000 Self-aggrandization, right?

02:02:38.000 Sounds so sexy.

02:02:40.000 Doesn't it?

02:02:41.000 Big words.

02:02:43.000 Sounds sexy.

02:02:44.000 So you just, when you go to the gym, you just throw on Pandora.

02:02:47.000 Yeah, and I go to the MMA gym.

02:02:50.000 I'm training with Team Lloyd Irvin in Northern Virginia.

02:02:53.000 Oh, beautiful.

02:02:54.000 Couldn't do any better.

02:02:54.000 That's a beautiful place to train.

02:02:57.000 He's created a lot of really high-level guys, a lot of high-level jiu-jitsu guys.

02:03:02.000 I wish I had a little more mentorship, but I've only been there since February.

02:03:06.000 And I travel a lot.

02:03:07.000 You want mentorship after February, son.

02:03:10.000 I'm only going like two or three days a week.

02:03:12.000 That's on average.

02:03:13.000 Still, get in whatever you can get in.

02:03:16.000 And if you're on the road, dude, Hindu squats, Hindu push-ups, you can get a ferocious workout in your fucking hotel room.

02:03:24.000 That's like half the battle, especially when it comes to grappling.

02:03:27.000 Half the battle's being in shape.

02:03:28.000 If you're not in shape, it's fucking...

02:03:31.000 And the other half is knowing.

02:03:33.000 The other half is knowing.

02:03:34.000 This is like the more you know on NBC.

02:03:40.000 Do you have a goal, what you're trying to realize with your show and with your idea of a revolution?

02:03:46.000 Do you have a goal?

02:03:47.000 Are you trying to enlighten people?

02:03:49.000 Are you trying to change things?

02:03:50.000 What's your idea?

02:03:52.000 Well, we see it as part of a larger goal of evolving past statism and getting past this particular phase of human evolution where we institutionalize all of our desires to dominate and control others by force into government.

02:04:04.000 And, you know, you understand this.

02:04:06.000 You've supported Ron Paul.

02:04:07.000 You've come out and you see when a candidate speaks from this philosophy, and this is what we have in common, is this idea of voluntarism, of all human interactions being voluntary, free of force, fraud, and coercion, and understanding that government is what George Washington described it as.

02:04:22.000 It is not eloquence or reason.

02:04:25.000 It is like fire.

02:04:27.000 It is force, like fire, a dangerous servant, a fearful master.

02:04:30.000 And when you understand that government is force and 99% of what it does doesn't qualify as a morally justified use of force, whether it's starting wars or collecting taxes or beating people up for a plant or locking them in cages because we don't like what they're doing, it's all immoral.

02:04:46.000 And we can find ways to do these things peacefully.

02:04:49.000 We can find ways without democracy, without the majority imposing its will by force on the minority and using this, well, we have 51% as a cover, so we're justified in doing that.

02:05:02.000 And that's part of the bigger goal.

02:05:05.000 And really, this is what I think a lot of people want me to inspire you to be a part of and to really see yourself as someone who is part of this struggle and someone who can see past, someone who has your wisdom to see past the current paradigm and see that there is something better on the other side.

02:05:22.000 Well, I think, like I said, there's certainly a potential for something better, but it's going to have to come through the youth.

02:05:28.000 They're going to have to grow up into the system and change it because it's changed from the time where people were wearing white fucking powdered wigs and they thought the world was flat.

02:05:37.000 And it's going to change in our copy as well.

02:05:40.000 No, is that a comp out?

02:05:41.000 How is it a cop-out?

02:05:42.000 Because I heard a review of your podcast saying that you were like a big brother to a lot of people and that you really serve that role.

02:05:52.000 I think it's a really powerful one.

02:05:53.000 I've tried to, what part of that statement about the evolution of people figuring out things through the youth and the youth learning from the mistakes of the, Because you're in a position to be a leader.

02:06:07.000 You don't have to wait for the youth.

02:06:08.000 This sounds like, what is that dude's name?

02:06:08.000 I mean, it's happening to you.

02:06:11.000 Not Charlie Sheen.

02:06:12.000 What's his brother?

02:06:12.000 Emilio Estevez.

02:06:13.000 This is Emilio Estevez' plot from 1994.

02:06:18.000 What is a leader?

02:06:19.000 Dude, what I do, if it inspires people and they choose to act, that's my job.

02:06:24.000 To do anything else is not my job.

02:06:26.000 To do anything else is not what I do best.

02:06:29.000 It's not what I have in mind when I get up every day.

02:06:33.000 And I wouldn't want to do it because I wouldn't be happy.

02:06:35.000 I don't think that everybody has to be involved in government.

02:06:38.000 No, it's anti-government.

02:06:40.000 Even anti-government.

02:06:41.000 It's the evolution of humanity.

02:06:42.000 It's what Ron Paul talks about and getting to a voluntary society.

02:06:47.000 Well, I would certainly like that.

02:06:48.000 And that's why I talk about it as much as possible on the podcast.

02:06:51.000 It's my job to inspire and communicate information and ideas, but not the lead.

02:06:55.000 I don't have any desire to do that.

02:06:57.000 I don't have any desire to be a part of that.

02:06:58.000 I don't have any desire to tell the people what to do.

02:07:02.000 The idea of being a leader is disgusting for me, which is probably what you need in a leader.

02:07:07.000 The real problem with leaders is they want to be leaders.

02:07:12.000 And it's a different kind of leadership that we're talking about.

02:07:14.000 I would be the worst, best leader because I don't want to be a leader.

02:07:18.000 I hesitate to use that term myself, you know, and people try to apply it to me, and I say absolutely not because I can set an example in a way that you can't get a bunch of people.

02:07:18.000 No one should be a fucking leader.

02:07:27.000 You better have a good fucking handle on your ego.

02:07:29.000 When you start calling yourself a leader, you better get a lot of people who are not.

02:07:32.000 That's why I don't.

02:07:33.000 That's why I don't let myself think of it that way.

02:07:36.000 So you talk about someone involved at the highest levels of political office that hasn't done psychedelics.

02:07:41.000 I'm like, you are like a little blindfolded child behind the wheel of a Ferrari.

02:07:45.000 And you're going to crash that fucking thing.

02:07:47.000 You made it all the way to the very peak of government.

02:07:50.000 What did you do along the way?

02:07:51.000 That's gross.

02:07:52.000 You did something.

02:07:53.000 What'd you do?

02:07:54.000 Is it somebody that fucking committed suicide by shooting themselves in the head twice?

02:07:58.000 It was any of those in your closet.

02:07:59.000 What the fuck did you do to get here, man?

02:08:01.000 You don't just get here.

02:08:02.000 You get here, you're compromised, period.

02:08:04.000 To have them get to that stage of running things and not having psychedelic experiences is really kind of childlike.

02:08:10.000 I think the human beings are not.

02:08:12.000 But you go so far as to say the stage who haven't experienced psychedelics are in a childlike mental state of sub-awareness.

02:08:19.000 I would never say that about them because I don't know how they feel about the world, but I know for me, I was certainly very childlike before I did DMT.

02:08:25.000 I was very self-centered.

02:08:29.000 I had a very different perspective on my place in the universe, very different perspective on my place in humanity, my place with my friends, my place.

02:08:40.000 It put everything into perspective and showed me an illuminated correct pathway.

02:08:46.000 And I think it's by the humblingness of the experience, destroys your ego, makes you just sit the fuck down and stop trying to control everything.

02:08:54.000 It's like the universe is really a magical place.

02:08:56.000 If you just absorbed only the magical aspects of the universe, you'd be constantly fascinated every hour of every day.

02:09:02.000 But we forget that and get caught up and distracted in the horseshit and TMZ and nonsense.

02:09:08.000 And it's just we are still struggling with this fucking weird primate body that is trying to figure out how to manage massive groups of people and insane volumes of information coming at us all day long.

02:09:23.000 And that's where we stand now.

02:09:25.000 That's our conundrum.

02:09:26.000 Our conundrum is we're surfing, but we might not stay on the board before we hit the rocks.

02:09:32.000 We might Fukushima this whole motherfucker.

02:09:34.000 And that's no joke.

02:09:36.000 We've just seen a few eruptions here and there.

02:09:39.000 One fucking super volcano.

02:09:42.000 Doesn't that motivate you?

02:09:43.000 It certainly motivates me to live the most out of my life.

02:09:46.000 It motivates me to put out the most, you know, more podcasts, to do more stand-up comedy, to have more fun, to enjoy life, to enjoy my friends.

02:09:54.000 It motivates me to do that.

02:09:56.000 That's what motivates me, too.

02:09:57.000 Just, I think you have a different track.

02:09:57.000 Yeah.

02:10:01.000 You're on this, we've got to get shit done, civil disobedience, and go after them.

02:10:05.000 You're on this track.

02:10:07.000 And to say that, like, I'm a leader and I need to be a part of that track, I really don't.

02:10:12.000 I really don't.

02:10:13.000 It's not that you need to be, I'm just inviting you to be.

02:10:15.000 Oh, I appreciate it.

02:10:16.000 I appreciate it.

02:10:17.000 I'm not saying that I'm in any way, shape, or form critical of it.

02:10:21.000 I'm inviting you to nurture the part of you that already is on this track.

02:10:25.000 Because you already are.

02:10:26.000 I would never do that.

02:10:27.000 If a guest asked me to nurture that, what kind of nonsense?

02:10:30.000 No, no, you already are.

02:10:31.000 You already are anti-authoritarian.

02:10:33.000 You already are.

02:10:33.000 I'm not anti-authoritarian.

02:10:35.000 What I am is pro-nice.

02:10:38.000 Exactly.

02:10:38.000 And the real problem with any sort of authority.

02:10:41.000 I was a fucking security guard for one summer at Greatwood Center for the Performing Arts.

02:10:46.000 It's this place in Mansfield, Massachusetts.

02:10:49.000 I got to see fucking amazing bands.

02:10:51.000 I got to see Rodney Dangerfield perform live naked in a bathrobe.

02:10:56.000 Rodney Dangerfield would wear a bathrobe.

02:10:57.000 And I was thinking about being a comedian, man.

02:11:01.000 This is how he'd go on stage.

02:11:02.000 He would go on stage with a bathrobe on.

02:11:04.000 He was such a bad motherfucker.

02:11:05.000 I got to see Bill Cosby where I worked there.

02:11:07.000 But we were at a, who the fuck is his name?

02:11:11.000 Not Jethro Tull, goddammit.

02:11:14.000 I can't remember his name.

02:11:16.000 Southern man?

02:11:17.000 Neil Young.

02:11:18.000 We were at a Neil Young concert, and they started fires up in the, there was like a wooded area, or rather a grassy area at the top.

02:11:26.000 It was like an amphitheater outside, and then there was a top area that was grass.

02:11:31.000 People decided to start fires, and fucking hell broke loose, dude.

02:11:34.000 And it became an us versus them thing.

02:11:37.000 It became an us, 19-year-old kids, security guard, you know, and my friends who also worked there against all these people who were Neil Young friends who were fucked up on drugs and starting chaos and starting things on fire.

02:11:51.000 And I watched like people hit people that I would never would have thought would have hit somebody.

02:11:55.000 Like my friend Larry was like one of the nicest, most peace-loving guys.

02:11:58.000 And I watched him punch this dude in the stomach.

02:12:00.000 And I'm like, I can't believe Larry just hit that guy.

02:12:02.000 And I was like, I got to get the fuck out of here.

02:12:05.000 But it was an immediate us versus them thing that happens when it becomes a real problem if you're not educated right.

02:12:12.000 If you work in any position of authority, any position of, you know, you're going to have some control and be able to tell people.

02:12:20.000 We got to work compassion into that.

02:12:22.000 Because when you don't have that, when you lose that, that we're all in this together, then you're not a cop, man.

02:12:29.000 You're the fucking enemy.

02:12:30.000 Like that, you saw that video in Long Beach where that kid is lying down and they step on his head.

02:12:36.000 Did you see that?

02:12:37.000 Kelly Thomas, the one that died in the hospital?

02:12:39.000 No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

02:12:41.000 He didn't die.

02:12:42.000 The kid who was in a Long Beach medical marijuana dispensary, the cops came in and stepped on.

02:12:49.000 They stepped on the guy.

02:12:50.000 It's a really recent riddle.

02:12:51.000 You might not have seen it.

02:12:53.000 But anybody who would do something like that, you get a peaceful person who's just lying down.

02:12:59.000 It's pathological.

02:13:00.000 It is pathological.

02:13:00.000 And it's the same thing as what government is.

02:13:02.000 And it's the same thing that chimps would do if they could do that to other chimps.

02:13:06.000 It's fucking primal.

02:13:07.000 It's primal, ridiculous, selfish behavior.

02:13:11.000 And that's what really needs to be eradicated.

02:13:14.000 We need to figure out a way to connect people.

02:13:17.000 But that's what this is about.

02:13:18.000 That's what this movement is about.

02:13:19.000 That's what the revolution is.

02:13:21.000 What is the revolution?

02:13:22.000 Love is the movement.

02:13:23.000 This is the Star Wars.

02:13:24.000 The love illusion.

02:13:25.000 Revolution.

02:13:26.000 You know how you call it.

02:13:27.000 You saw the Ron Paul love illusion where it's revolutionary.

02:13:30.000 The evol is backwards, so it says love.

02:13:32.000 Yes.

02:13:33.000 That's how we say the love illusion.

02:13:35.000 And really, that's what it's about.

02:13:36.000 It's about embracing the divinity of every human being and treating every human being with the love, faith, and respect that we want for ourselves.

02:13:45.000 And we're coming to the point where we're realizing this anyways because the market favors cooperation.

02:13:51.000 The market favors that.

02:13:52.000 People who are able to get along are able to be more prosperous, are able to out-reproduce and out-compete the ones that aren't.

02:13:58.000 And so it's kind of happening anyways.

02:14:00.000 But what's exciting, and really this is why I'm not here to tell you like, you have an obligation to do this.

02:14:07.000 Like, if you don't vote, you're an irresponsible citizen.

02:14:10.000 You know, it's not that bullshit.

02:14:11.000 It's just that this is something that motivates me in the same way that you have a similar motivation.

02:14:17.000 You know, and I'm the oldest of five brothers.

02:14:19.000 It's Adam, Andrew, Alex, Alden, and Audrey.

02:14:22.000 My dad has a big white suburban.

02:14:24.000 The license plate says A-team.

02:14:25.000 So, you know, and for some of them, I was more like a crazy uncle than a big brother.

02:14:30.000 But this review that I read of your podcast was describing you as a big brother to your audience.

02:14:36.000 And I think, you know, in that capacity, being able to share this vision at least.

02:14:43.000 Well, I think the problem is when you start calling it a revolution, first of all, because then people go to the bottom.

02:14:46.000 But that's why we call it a self-evolution, because it's an evolution.

02:14:48.000 Self-aggrandizing, is that what the word we agreed on?

02:14:51.000 It becomes that.

02:14:52.000 It becomes that.

02:14:52.000 You call it whatever, love illusion.

02:14:55.000 You define yourself as a movement.

02:14:56.000 This is come join the movement.

02:14:58.000 Like, I'm not already in the movement.

02:15:00.000 Am I already in the movement?

02:15:00.000 I think you already are.

02:15:01.000 So how am I joining things?

02:15:02.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:15:03.000 But do you know what I'm saying?

02:15:04.000 Like, all of a sudden, like, okay, I'm in.

02:15:07.000 It's about self-identification.

02:15:09.000 Yeah, I don't think that's necessary.

02:15:10.000 I think what we are is human beings that understand that our system is not correct.

02:15:17.000 And to call ourselves a revolution, to call ourselves anything other than just human beings, I think is pointless.

02:15:23.000 I think it's rational thinking human beings that realize there's something wrong here.

02:15:27.000 And that includes the people in the system.

02:15:29.000 That includes cops.

02:15:30.000 That includes judges.

02:15:32.000 That includes lawyers.

02:15:33.000 That includes everybody along the line that is all equally eligible for a personal awakening.

02:15:37.000 Every single one of them, with the proper medication in the right setting, could see some shit that would make them rethink reality.

02:15:44.000 And it would make them humble enough to at least understand that they don't know everything.

02:15:48.000 Because they never knew that that was there.

02:15:50.000 You can say you know everything.

02:15:52.000 I'm a fucking smart guy.

02:15:53.000 I was hopping my class.

02:15:54.000 I get you high on DMT.

02:15:56.000 I guarantee you you will think about everything different for the rest of your life because you didn't know that was there.

02:16:03.000 You didn't know that all you had to do was follow a few simple steps and you're in a different land where everything is complex geometric patterns made out of love and understanding that are communicating with you in some sort of a telekinetic language or telekinesis language.

02:16:19.000 I don't think that you can really appreciate life unless you know that that's there.

02:16:24.000 If you don't know that that's there, it's like you've lived three quarters of a life.

02:16:28.000 You don't understand.

02:16:30.000 There's an experience and it only takes about 15 minutes and you'll never be the same again.

02:16:35.000 you're going to come back, and you're going to be burdened with all your past preconceived notions and ideas, and all the things that you've learned from your life, but you're essentially going to be a totally different person now.

02:16:45.000 You're a person who can never forget the things that you saw or the way that you felt when you experienced that.

02:16:50.000 Now, whether that's just your brain getting tweaked with chemicals or whether it really is what it feels like, because what it feels like is you're going to another place.

02:16:58.000 And we just assume that the only way to travel is to put one foot in front of the other or get in a car or get in a plane.

02:17:03.000 You might be able to travel chemically between dimensions.

02:17:06.000 And that might be what things like DMT are all about.

02:17:10.000 That might be why it's made by your own fucking brain.

02:17:15.000 Well, we should make Obamacare.

02:17:17.000 That's why I probably just should have started this conversation by saying, hey, welcome to this thing that we're describing as a movement now.

02:17:23.000 It's no big deal, man.

02:17:24.000 I'm being super hypercritical for no reason.

02:17:26.000 No, but you're already a part of this.

02:17:28.000 And the reason that so many people in my audience really appreciated this conversation or anticipated it is because they realize that you already carry this message in a way very powerfully in the way that you talk about society, in the way that you integrate it.

02:17:43.000 What I just want to do is I want to express my appreciation for this.

02:17:46.000 Well, thank you.

02:17:47.000 Thank you very much.

02:17:48.000 But I think everybody does now.

02:17:49.000 I think we've reached a point where we're reaching a point where we're going to melt.

02:17:52.000 Is the fucking AC down?

02:17:54.000 They're fixing our answers.

02:17:55.000 Oh, so they shut it off?

02:17:57.000 Sons of bitches.

02:17:59.000 We feel the heat of suppression that Mother Earth gives us.

02:17:59.000 Good.

02:18:03.000 And this oppression will help us get through this podcast better.

02:18:07.000 Look, man, I think everybody's recognizing it now.

02:18:09.000 Anybody with a brain is realizing, you know, Bush was the first guy where everybody had to step back and go, wow, like, because of the access to information, that was the first time we got real news, daily news online and shit.

02:18:22.000 That was the first time people realized, like, whoa, this administration is bought and paid for.

02:18:27.000 Like, this is ridiculous.

02:18:29.000 Like, this is the most obviously bought and paid.

02:18:32.000 Like, they're rocking it in a way that nobody had previously done.

02:18:35.000 Everybody had been way slicker about hiding their connections to money and to war profiteering.

02:18:40.000 But the Bush administration just let their freak flag fly.

02:18:43.000 They just fucking went out, started two wars that made no sense, profited a fuckload of money.

02:18:51.000 If you could talk to George Bush, what would that conversation be like?

02:18:54.000 If you could just get alone with that guy, would you do it respectfully?

02:18:58.000 Would you slowly try to chip away at it and try to get his perspective?

02:19:02.000 Or do you think you would just lose your fucking mind when you were just in the face of someone who is at least indirectly responsible for the death of probably a million people?

02:19:10.000 And for my own PTSD in a sense, you know?

02:19:13.000 Sure.

02:19:14.000 What would that be like to be in front of that guy?

02:19:16.000 Well, that's a great question.

02:19:19.000 And I used to, when I was active with Iraq veterans against the war, when I got out of the Marines and was disgruntled and started questioning things, I used to fantasize about that.

02:19:29.000 Like a physical violence?

02:19:30.000 Like I'd punch him in the face.

02:19:31.000 I don't think you should say that on the radio.

02:19:33.000 Well, this is like George Bush.

02:19:34.000 But I don't even think you can threaten him, a past president.

02:19:37.000 I don't think you could fake do that.

02:19:38.000 No, but.

02:19:39.000 Is that funny?

02:19:39.000 They could arrest you for that.

02:19:41.000 I know.

02:19:43.000 I've had experiences.

02:19:44.000 But now you feel differently.

02:19:46.000 Well, yeah, I think part of my own philosophical development and my own experience going through to the point where I feel like I got to, you know, you never get all the way to the bottom, but like to the effective bottom of the rabbit hole for me that allows me to function the way that I do now with my current understanding of the world.

02:20:06.000 You know, part of it was having a philosophical approach.

02:20:10.000 Like there's a quote from a Buddhist monk, Thick Not Han.

02:20:15.000 I'm sure I'm butchering the name, but it's something like, when someone does harm to you, it is only because harm has been done to them and they are reflecting it back and they are expressing it.

02:20:25.000 And to me, I see that that is what government as a whole is, in the sense that it's pathological behavior.

02:20:31.000 It is a relic of human evolution, of the scarring of the only way we were able to raise kids in the state of nature was you beat them so they keep up with the tribe and the evolution of that into government.

02:20:44.000 And I see that as George Bush simply a representation of that broader social phenomenon of government being the last manifestation of this desire to control and dominate and use violence against others.

02:20:57.000 And so he's just, you know, and it's not that the president is a pitch man or a puppet.

02:21:02.000 He's a power broker.

02:21:03.000 You know, he legitimately makes decisions.

02:21:05.000 But the reason the one who usually gets into the position is the one that is is because he's reflective of the environment that produces him.

02:21:12.000 And that's the existing power structure.

02:21:13.000 And that's the paradigm of society as a whole.

02:21:15.000 And that's why changing the paradigm and waking people up and the perspective that you share about government is so powerful because what ultimately determines whether or not you're going to be free is whether the human beings around you agree that you should be free and they won't tolerate people initiating force against you when you're acting peacefully.

02:21:33.000 So the only way to do that is to make them happier.

02:21:36.000 That's the real trick.

02:21:37.000 You've got to get them to lighten the fuck up.

02:21:39.000 Things are not that bad.

02:21:40.000 You know, you really look in perspective.

02:21:43.000 Things are not that bad.

02:21:44.000 Well, one of my biggest philosophical influences is Stéphane Molyneux, and he went through a whole process of describing this anarcho-capitalist ideal society.

02:21:51.000 And really, to embrace this philosophy, you kind of have to go through all of the resistances that people have.

02:21:58.000 Like, without government, who's going to build the roads?

02:22:02.000 And it's the same question as people would ask when we were trying to abolish slavery.

02:22:07.000 And it was, but without the slaves, who's going to pick the cops?

02:22:10.000 I don't think there's anything wrong with having a form of council.

02:22:13.000 The idea of calling them government, like what the Obama administration was able to do, what the Obama administration was able to do in this whole Operation Fast and Furious, where he was able to just say, I don't want to talk about it.

02:22:26.000 And what is it, invoking executive order or whatever?

02:22:29.000 Executive privilege.

02:22:30.000 I mean, how silly is that?

02:22:32.000 There's a giant scandal where they sold guns to Mexican drug dealers and they said, oh, yeah, yeah, we're just going to track them.

02:22:38.000 And one of those guns killed.

02:22:40.000 One of those guns killed one of the border patrol agent, yeah.

02:22:44.000 Like the idea that he would be able to use executive privilege and get out of that and to do it so blatantly, like that, that's a creepy thing.

02:22:53.000 Like you can't have things like that.

02:22:54.000 That's what I'm saying.

02:22:55.000 That kind of shit.

02:22:57.000 But that's what I'm saying.

02:22:58.000 In a form of council, that would never exist.

02:23:00.000 In a form of dictatorship, that's where something like that exists.

02:23:03.000 To get out of jail free.

02:23:04.000 It's what do you think that you need government to accomplish and how can you do it?

02:23:08.000 Instead of having an arbitrary level, we like leaders, But I think the leadership is anti-political.

02:23:13.000 It's anti-leaders.

02:23:15.000 It's anti-authoritarian.

02:23:16.000 It's saying we are not going to allow ourselves to be cowed.

02:23:19.000 We are going to understand that as human beings in what we call the free market, we are able to cooperatively accomplish all the things that we have been convinced we need government for.

02:23:28.000 Right.

02:23:29.000 I understand that, but someone's going to have to execute decisions.

02:23:32.000 Someone's going to have to put things in motion.

02:23:33.000 You're going to have to group people.

02:23:34.000 They're going to vote on it.

02:23:35.000 Give me examples.

02:23:36.000 What's the thing that needs to get done?

02:23:36.000 What is it?

02:23:37.000 Whether you not, you know, you have to do that.

02:23:39.000 You might not have a consensus of how many cops need to be hired as opposed to how many teachers need to be hired.

02:23:44.000 How much they should have to do the people paying for those services.

02:23:46.000 Right, how do they do that?

02:23:47.000 They do that with a form of government.

02:23:48.000 They have counsel.

02:23:49.000 They do it through corporations.

02:23:51.000 They do it through companies where they're able to buy protection services, where they're able to get the legitimate services that police provide without forcing it on people just because they happen to be.

02:24:01.000 I mean, even deciding what salaries are.

02:24:01.000 Even teachers.

02:24:03.000 You're going to have to have some sort of a way that people can interact with each other, and then someone's going to have to execute it.

02:24:07.000 That's called the free market.

02:24:08.000 Yeah, but that person who executes it should be someone of respected counsel, someone who's known.

02:24:13.000 We can take advantage of the fact that Steve Jobs, the CEO of Apple.

02:24:21.000 What made Steve Jobs the CEO of Apple?

02:24:23.000 Very creative guy.

02:24:23.000 Started off.

02:24:24.000 Market forces.

02:24:25.000 He was the most valuable one to be in the command of those market resources.

02:24:30.000 So you want to turn the government and how things run into just a big free market as far as police, as far as teachers, everything's just a giant free market.

02:24:37.000 I want to take the violence out of it.

02:24:38.000 I want to take the coercion out of it.

02:24:39.000 I want it to be accomplished peacefully by people cooperating instead of saying, oh, well, you live here, you're going to pay these taxes.

02:24:45.000 Oh, well, you live here, you're going to be under the business.

02:24:46.000 So someone's going to have to organize how the hospital gets kept up.

02:24:50.000 Is that going to be a public thing or is that going to be Look at how much more publication is.

02:24:55.000 Public education?

02:24:56.000 Are you opposed to public?

02:24:58.000 I'm opposed to education that's funded by violence.

02:25:02.000 How's it funded by violence?

02:25:03.000 What do you mean by that?

02:25:05.000 You think a child going to school doesn't understand that if they don't go to school every day, their parents get in trouble and that the way the school is paid for is by taxes that the parents pay against their will, whether or not they have children in a school system?

02:25:16.000 Children get that.

02:25:17.000 They understand that.

02:25:18.000 We grow up, but this is the status parents.

02:25:20.000 Okay, but that's a one-way way of looking at it.

02:25:23.000 It's also true that parents pay taxes in a very specific neighborhood because they know there's a good school system in there, and then they run rallies for the school system, and they gather up money, and people don't.

02:25:34.000 That's also true.

02:25:35.000 I see that in community schools as well.

02:25:37.000 That's not always negative.

02:25:38.000 Okay, that aspect of it, however, is superior, is it not, to the Federal Department of Education coming into that community and saying, now you're gonna follow these testing standards in order to get these funds, and if you don't do what we say with this.

02:25:54.000 So that community should be determined not by people.

02:25:57.000 Right, but how is this violence?

02:25:58.000 I mean, how is this, how is the money paying the teachers?

02:26:04.000 How is that coming from violence?

02:26:05.000 How do you pay taxes?

02:26:05.000 I don't understand.

02:26:07.000 What happens if you don't pay taxes?

02:26:09.000 Well, you're not contributing to society.

02:26:12.000 I mean, I don't think we should be paying as much taxes as we are.

02:26:15.000 You're not contributing to warnings.

02:26:16.000 I don't think you're not contributing to corruption.

02:26:18.000 That is true.

02:26:20.000 So do you think that all taxes are bad?

02:26:22.000 Do you think that we should have no taxes?

02:26:23.000 All taxes are immoral.

02:26:25.000 All taxes are immoral.

02:26:26.000 So how do we expect to pay for the city streets?

02:26:29.000 How do we expect to pay to maintain some sort of a presence with police officers and fund them with cars?

02:26:37.000 Is it all just donations?

02:26:38.000 No, well, this is the difference between what we have with government and what we already have in the free market.

02:26:42.000 Do people pay for protection then?

02:26:44.000 Does it become the cops?

02:26:46.000 Do you think that sounds like a good idea?

02:26:47.000 You can do it with the copy.

02:26:48.000 The private cops that decided to not save you because you didn't pay for protection.

02:26:53.000 The difference is with them, all you get is protection, whereas with the police today, do we get protection?

02:26:59.000 Sometimes you do.

02:26:59.000 No, no, no, that's not true.

02:27:01.000 I know good cops.

02:27:02.000 There's good cops out there.

02:27:05.000 All cops are not bad.

02:27:06.000 Just because some cops do a bunch of stupid shit, and those guys in the video with you were clearly bad.

02:27:10.000 Okay, so wouldn't you, this is the mechanism by which you separate the good cops from the bad cops?

02:27:14.000 Their actions.

02:27:16.000 No, no, this is the mechanism by which you actually do it, is you take the arbitrary power of government away from them.

02:27:20.000 You make them serve the market.

02:27:22.000 You make them serve the people peacefully.

02:27:24.000 You make them convince you that their services are necessary, not put a gun to your head and say, if you don't pay our taxes, you're going to get locked in a cage.

02:27:32.000 Well, I think that locking someone in jail for taxes is very unfortunate, and it doesn't make sense when you think about how many fucking gigantic corporations have gone bankrupt and how much more that affected people than, you know, one person is not paying their little tiny slice of the military-industrial complex's pie.

02:27:47.000 But you should have to pay something.

02:27:49.000 It should make sense.

02:27:50.000 You're getting something out of it, and you should want to contribute.

02:27:54.000 If you live in a community, if everybody said, well, hey, man, our streets are all fucked up, but Mike gathered up all the names that everybody lives here and realized if we all just chip in $100, we could fix this whole thing.

02:28:07.000 I think it's worth it for me for $100.

02:28:09.000 You in?

02:28:09.000 And then everybody goes, yeah.

02:28:10.000 Well, that would be exactly what you're doing.

02:28:11.000 That's beautiful.

02:28:12.000 That's not government.

02:28:13.000 That's great.

02:28:13.000 That's exactly.

02:28:13.000 That's beautiful.

02:28:14.000 See, technology allows us all the way to the business.

02:28:16.000 If we didn't have jobs, if we didn't have responsibility, children, careers, if we didn't have things we had to think about all day, instead, you're running around there trying to fucking figure out how to pay the firemen and how to make sure that the cop tires are good.

02:28:26.000 And at a certain point in time, how much micromanagement can you do in your fucking community?

02:28:31.000 Well, how is it for cable now, internet, TV, in your house?

02:28:36.000 How is it that you get that without government?

02:28:40.000 But you propose that for things that we think of as civil services, right?

02:28:43.000 You propose that for like cops.

02:28:44.000 Well, look at how to develop it.

02:28:47.000 It becomes tricky, man.

02:28:50.000 Think about what the fuck is going on in Iraq right now.

02:28:53.000 The problem with mercenaries is that they do things that the government funds them to do that the market would never support them doing.

02:28:59.000 Are you privatized?

02:29:00.000 People only want cops to do legitimate things.

02:29:03.000 The only way that you have mercenaries doing things that are immoral is because it's funded by government in the first place.

02:29:08.000 Okay, I could see that argued easily.

02:29:10.000 If they don't have a specific set of rules and are only open to the market, they're going to push as far as they possibly fucking can to get things done.

02:29:16.000 And if they're dealing with businesses that have a lot of money, they're going to do things that aren't legal.

02:29:20.000 But that's what would happen if you privatize the cops.

02:29:23.000 And that's a fact.

02:29:23.000 That's just how human beings are.

02:29:25.000 If you give them little loopholes and you allow them to figure out how to get through those loopholes, they're like rats on a sinking ship.

02:29:30.000 And they're going to pop out and they're going to fuck things up.

02:29:32.000 No, because you're basing that on an understanding of the corporate structure of the current government paradigm where government empowers corporations to have an unnatural advantage in the market and protects them from competition.

02:29:42.000 But cops, man?

02:29:43.000 Hold on, no, no.

02:29:44.000 In your scenario, you say rich people like existing corporations and concentrations of wealth would abuse this ability to hire police forces and private whatever to be able to do evil things.

02:29:52.000 Well, guess what?

02:29:53.000 They already can.

02:29:54.000 The thing is, what we have is a government that keeps the rest of us from doing the same thing, from being able to say that our demands for community safety services, our demands should be met by the market, not by a monopoly that's forced on us.

02:30:06.000 This is the premise of the drug war, man.

02:30:07.000 You do this, the drug war goes away.

02:30:09.000 You do this, all unjust laws go away because the demands on the enforcers are the demands of the market.

02:30:14.000 They're what people actually want.

02:30:16.000 The bad cops go away because you get to fire them.

02:30:18.000 There's no police unions that say you can't fire people and there's going to be a law against this, that if a cop shoots somebody, he's going to get paid leave.

02:30:27.000 You know, that kind of bullshit.

02:30:28.000 All of that goes away.

02:30:29.000 When you have roads, like I was telling you, in the way that they're holding us back from technological development, but specifically like in New Mexico, where the Speaker of the House gets to just say, well, put that intersection by my land so the value of it goes up.

02:30:40.000 All of that goes away.

02:30:42.000 And to say that, well, we need violence.

02:30:43.000 So corruption goes away.

02:30:45.000 Yes.

02:30:45.000 How does corruption go away?

02:30:47.000 Because in order to make money in the free market, so the free market makes corruption go away.

02:30:52.000 Well, hold on a second.

02:30:54.000 The capitalist ideal is that as free individuals, multiple parties are able to engage in trade because it's of mutual benefit, right?

02:31:03.000 I give you something, you give me something.

02:31:05.000 We both believe that we're better off from it.

02:31:06.000 This is the basic concept of capitalism, of free trade, of application of yourself as a capital resource, engaged in the free market.

02:31:15.000 And any time you introduce coercion into that, you take away from our ideal potential as humanity to engage in commerce.

02:31:22.000 I got no argument with that.

02:31:22.000 Of course.

02:31:23.000 So that's what government does.

02:31:25.000 And so if you had the ability now, as we do technologically, obviously, to pool resources to come together.

02:31:35.000 You're saying anybody with power, you're defining that as government.

02:31:38.000 No, I'm just saying that would happen in your private cop system, too.

02:31:42.000 Right, right.

02:31:42.000 No, private government.

02:31:42.000 Government worse.

02:31:43.000 Right, what I'm saying is that government is the current manifestation of human desires to control and dominate others by force.

02:31:50.000 This is the premise of.

02:31:51.000 And that's the only way to govern, is what you're saying.

02:31:53.000 That's the definition of governing.

02:31:55.000 And without that, it's impossible to have a compassionate leadership.

02:31:58.000 It's impossible.

02:31:59.000 No, with that, you have cooperation.

02:32:01.000 You have leadership of people that are doing good work.

02:32:04.000 So that's a government.

02:32:05.000 No.

02:32:05.000 What is the leadership then?

02:32:07.000 If there's a leadership, you've got a government.

02:32:10.000 If you've got someone who's leading, you've got a government.

02:32:12.000 So you've got another government.

02:32:13.000 You got a benevolent leader.

02:32:14.000 You think Steve Jobs wasn't a leader in the technological field?

02:32:16.000 I think Steve Jobs was a general of Apple.

02:32:18.000 Absolutely.

02:32:19.000 So was he government?

02:32:21.000 Yes.

02:32:21.000 You think Steve Jobs was government?

02:32:23.000 For sure.

02:32:25.000 If you were involved with Apple and you left your phone, the prototype phone, in a bar somewhere, even though it's awesome free publicity, you would be arrested.

02:32:33.000 Or you would, for sure, they checked the guy.

02:32:36.000 They fucking stormtroop his house with machine guns, looked everywhere for the iPhone.

02:32:41.000 Is that not like what the government would do?

02:32:43.000 That's exactly what the government would do.

02:32:44.000 And then they fire the guy.

02:32:45.000 That's exactly what the government would do.

02:32:47.000 Yeah, so I'd say Steve Jobs was the government.

02:32:49.000 Okay, well, then we're still sort of talking about it on the street.

02:32:52.000 I mean, if that is a corporation, I mean, if that is the real free market, I mean, the corporation is the village of Apple.

02:32:57.000 Okay, but you're throwing up these objections that are objections for jobs.

02:33:02.000 Totally not objections.

02:33:03.000 This is all just devil's advocates.

02:33:05.000 Okay, devil's advocate.

02:33:06.000 But then it's an important thing to say.

02:33:08.000 But like I said, when you were living under slavery and someone said, hey, we need to end slavery, the devil's advocate was saying, but who's going to pick the cotton?

02:33:17.000 And the answer is, if you understand.

02:33:20.000 I'm not saying that you should under the thumb of an oppressive government.

02:33:23.000 I'm saying, can't we have people that we really love and respect, real leaders?

02:33:28.000 Because if you look at a guy like Bill Clinton now, now that he stopped chasing tail and everything, you know, what makes you think he stopped?

02:33:34.000 You think he stopped?

02:33:35.000 No.

02:33:36.000 Guys like that don't stop.

02:33:37.000 You don't think so?

02:33:38.000 Imagine those girls and their hard drives, Clinton dick pics.

02:33:43.000 If they wouldn't stop, there'd be Clinton dick pics, man.

02:33:45.000 Don't you think they'll be worth so much money?

02:33:47.000 How can the girls keep their mouths shut?

02:33:49.000 Do you know how many people Clinton has killed?

02:33:51.000 I wonder how many people Clinton has killed.

02:33:52.000 Do you think he's killed a lot of people?

02:33:54.000 No, but I think after you suck his dick, you get a little briefing.

02:33:57.000 Do you think that, did you ever read The Strange Death of Vince Foster?

02:34:00.000 Do you know the story behind that guy?

02:34:01.000 It's one of the guys involved, and somehow or another, he had some sort of connection to that giant real estate deal that the Clintons were involved in where people started fucking disagreeing.

02:34:09.000 Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.

02:34:11.000 There was a chain email that went around that had this list of there's like 70 people that mysteriously died around the Clinton family.

02:34:18.000 It might just be how things are done.

02:34:20.000 It might just be how at a certain point in government, everybody just knows that's how shit's done.

02:34:25.000 And it's always been that way.

02:34:26.000 And, you know, here's the fucking Zapruder film.

02:34:29.000 I mean, it just must have always been that way.

02:34:32.000 It seems like, I mean, even Obama, all the things that Obama said, you know, you think about the stories of Obama being in Hawaii, smoking pot with his friends.

02:34:40.000 His friends said Obama would go interception, Stephen, take the joint.

02:34:44.000 What an asshole.

02:34:45.000 What's a bad stoner?

02:34:46.000 Yeah, what?

02:34:47.000 That was the news.

02:34:48.000 Not that Obama was a stoner.

02:34:50.000 He was an asshole stoner.

02:34:51.000 Yeah, unless everybody's already high and it's just funny.

02:34:55.000 It's kind of funny.

02:34:57.000 It could be an inside joke.

02:34:58.000 Yeah, if everybody's already baked and you're just pointlessly.

02:35:01.000 Or he's the guy always buying the weed, you know, and it's like, I'm a heavyweight, I'm going to buy the weed.

02:35:06.000 Or he could be a selfish dick.

02:35:08.000 Or he could be an asshole power broker who's murdering people as president of the United States.

02:35:14.000 It was a strange time when Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize and then they sent 30,000 more people to Afghanistan like a month later.

02:35:22.000 Dude, that was strange.

02:35:25.000 It was so strange.

02:35:26.000 It was like, wow, this is the part in the movie where you got to go, what the fuck?

02:35:30.000 You know, this is a part of the watch movie.

02:35:33.000 The watchmen.

02:35:34.000 It's like an episode of a giant episode of The Watchmen.

02:35:38.000 If they continued to make the series, did you see The Watchmen?

02:35:42.000 You don't watch any movies, man?

02:35:43.000 I'm a little bit.

02:35:44.000 You know what?

02:35:45.000 I've removed from the cultural loop.

02:35:46.000 Where do you get your fun?

02:35:48.000 I watch documentaries.

02:35:50.000 That's where you get your fun?

02:35:51.000 Really?

02:35:52.000 Well, like I said, I go to the gym.

02:35:53.000 I go to MMA.

02:35:54.000 That's fine.

02:35:55.000 I run with my dog.

02:35:56.000 I go to Whole Foods.

02:35:57.000 I go to Target when I need to.

02:35:59.000 And I'm at my apartment.

02:36:00.000 I'm a total homebody.

02:36:01.000 And you're just working constantly.

02:36:03.000 Yeah, making videos.

02:36:04.000 Guys on the prize.

02:36:05.000 I'm loving it.

02:36:06.000 That's good, man.

02:36:07.000 But you've got to have some fun in this life.

02:36:09.000 It is fun.

02:36:09.000 That's a shit.

02:36:10.000 Well, as long as that is.

02:36:11.000 Do You ever go to Olive Garden?

02:36:12.000 No.

02:36:13.000 Brian, you can't do two Olive Garden in one episode.

02:36:15.000 You're overdoing yourself.

02:36:17.000 You're becoming a parody of your own creation.

02:36:20.000 Stop it.

02:36:21.000 Stop it before you ruin this fucking beautiful show.

02:36:24.000 I'm totally not disagreeing with you, by the way, when we talked about anything.

02:36:27.000 It's just, I just, I'm a devil's advocate sort of a guy, and I think the F Explorer, whenever someone gives me absolutes, that's when I automatically go, what about this?

02:36:35.000 And it's not that I'm, you know, and people will argue with me on Twitter, and I'm like, I agree with you too.

02:36:40.000 I'm not committed to any version of the future that I think is going to be optimum.

02:36:46.000 But I'm not averse to the idea that someone could be in a position where they could benevolently guide people instead of the idea of run us like a government, you know, and, you know, be able to be involved in some sort of fucking crazy gun running scheme and evoke executive privilege where you don't have to talk about the crazy gun running scheme that they sold guns to Mexican drug dealers and one of them killed a U.S. federal agent.

02:37:08.000 You don't have to talk about that.

02:37:09.000 Not in my vision of what's possible.

02:37:12.000 I think you have to be accountable for all your information.

02:37:15.000 You have to be accountable for all your duties and it should be a place of benevolence.

02:37:19.000 I don't think that's possible, man.

02:37:20.000 You know what that's happening with technology, too?

02:37:22.000 It's happening with your podcast, I'm sure.

02:37:24.000 It's happening with this podcast.

02:37:25.000 No, no, no, no.

02:37:26.000 I mean, in a real simple mechanical sense, the way that technology is empowering, you know, Google glasses, pretty soon we're going to have facial recognition embedded in contact lenses, right?

02:37:36.000 And to the extent that you want to make your information public, people will be able to scan your face and see your reputation, and there'll be some way of accounting for your reputation that pops up if people want to see that.

02:37:47.000 Your Yelp score.

02:37:48.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:37:49.000 See how many stars you get.

02:37:50.000 You're going to be able to, well, like we're all going to, and that laser thing that they have at the TSA agents, you know, the checkpoints now where they shoot the laser and read all your shit, you're going to have that embedded in your glasses.

02:37:59.000 It's all going to be part of the system of accountability.

02:38:02.000 And it's weird because everybody should be uncomfortable about how privacy is going away.

02:38:08.000 But if anything, you get the government out of it and you decide what your level of invasiveness is.

02:38:13.000 And that's what's so cool about this technology empowering people to do things that we think we need government for that we really don't.

02:38:20.000 And it's now with the technology as superfluous as it is, it's easy to see it.

02:38:24.000 You can see it coming.

02:38:25.000 I see what you're saying.

02:38:26.000 What you're saying is that people are going to have to act together and instead of government, they're going to have to form some sort of a sense of community.

02:38:32.000 It's just really hard to do that when the numbers are so big.

02:38:35.000 We're just not designed to deal and be able to manage hundreds of millions of people when one person is in charge of that.

02:38:41.000 It's almost ridiculous.

02:38:43.000 Well, who's in charge of the internet?

02:38:44.000 That's the hive mind.

02:38:45.000 That's where it's happening.

02:38:46.000 That's what's beautiful.

02:38:47.000 That's where the paradigm is shifting.

02:38:49.000 Right now, at least, can't really make physical things manifest themselves as easily as a group of people can.

02:38:55.000 Well, our civil disobedience beach party that was a group of people breaking laws and standing up to the man the other day happened on 24-hour notice because I got a Facebook and a Twitter account.

02:39:04.000 Right.

02:39:05.000 Well, you dug holes and, you know, good job.

02:39:08.000 Hey, it's a start, man.

02:39:09.000 It's a start.

02:39:10.000 We're working on the tax revolt for when Obamacare is fully implemented.

02:39:15.000 This is how you start is by celebrating civil disobedience.

02:39:19.000 I think the conversations that you started on this podcast and the topics that you're so passionate about, this is really how it starts.

02:39:29.000 Because now there's some dude right now that is on the train on his way to work, and he listens to this podcast every day, and these ideas are imprinting in his head, and they're helping him or influencing him in his decision and what he's going to do with his future.

02:39:43.000 And that's where I think everything is starting.

02:39:46.000 I think everything right now, what we're seeing as far as the changing of the world, is nothing compared to the people that are growing up with the internet from baby to grown up because that's a totally different fucking human.

02:40:00.000 You're not going to be able to sell them Donald Rumsfeld bullshit.

02:40:03.000 You're not going to be able to sell them Dewey Decimal System, horseshit.

02:40:07.000 They're going to Google and know on a fucking note that looks like a laptop and it fits in your pocket.

02:40:07.000 No.

02:40:12.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:40:14.000 Man, these are the kids that are recording their teachers and calling them on their bullshit because they know that public schools are government-run indoctrination centers.

02:40:20.000 You know, you saw that that made headlines in North America.

02:40:23.000 Public schools are just cheap as fuck is what they are.

02:40:25.000 They have no money and everybody sucks.

02:40:27.000 What is the purpose they serve to government, man?

02:40:28.000 No, it's more than that.

02:40:29.000 There's a reason government has taken over education.

02:40:32.000 This is the dumbing down.

02:40:33.000 You look at the Federal Department of Education instituted like, what, 40, 50 years ago when we were at or near the top of every international educational ranking system.

02:40:42.000 Now we're down like 30, 40.

02:40:44.000 It's not by accident.

02:40:45.000 It's by design.

02:40:47.000 They want you to be dumbed down and not question government.

02:40:49.000 They want to control the curriculum so you don't learn about topics like what we're talking about now.

02:40:53.000 This is why they don't teach real history.

02:40:54.000 But who is they?

02:40:56.000 Man, this is the real problem with that.

02:40:57.000 I think it's more incompetent.

02:40:58.000 It's a man.

02:41:00.000 No, you're right.

02:41:00.000 No, that's not the same thing.

02:41:00.000 I think it's more incompetent.

02:41:01.000 It's a product of the paradigm.

02:41:03.000 Yeah.

02:41:04.000 People don't benefit and profit from making the schools better, so it's easy to keep them suppressed.

02:41:08.000 It's not that there's some sort of a strategy that are trying to keep people stupid.

02:41:12.000 It's that there's no money to be made from making people smart.

02:41:15.000 So why should they try?

02:41:16.000 So they don't try.

02:41:17.000 So they underfund the school.

02:41:18.000 So when things get cut, cut the fucking teacher's pay for fuck math.

02:41:21.000 Suck my dick.

02:41:22.000 Cut her pay.

02:41:23.000 So we need to balance the budget.

02:41:24.000 What do we do?

02:41:25.000 Cut the school.

02:41:26.000 And that's what it's coming from.

02:41:26.000 No more wrestling.

02:41:28.000 It's not coming from some fucking grand poo-bah plot where there's a bunch of assholes standing in the middle of a field burning an effigy deciding how they're going to keep people stupid.

02:41:35.000 It's incompetence.

02:41:36.000 It's incompetence more than ascribe to conspiracy what can be described by in comments.

02:41:40.000 I learned that from workers.

02:41:41.000 Especially government workers, right?

02:41:44.000 Government fucking workers.

02:41:45.000 That is the tap-out job of all time.

02:41:48.000 You're like, I got no ambition, man.

02:41:50.000 You know, what do I got to do?

02:41:50.000 You know, what do you want me to do?

02:41:52.000 But this is the reason, and it's not by accident.

02:41:54.000 The first thing they cut from the curriculum is your ability to see what is happening.

02:42:00.000 What is that, though?

02:42:01.000 What's going to help you?

02:42:02.000 Shit teachers?

02:42:03.000 What the fuck's going on?

02:42:04.000 They don't teach civics.

02:42:06.000 They don't teach civics anymore.

02:42:07.000 Put you in a room with a teenage kid that's a nice guy.

02:42:11.000 You want a water?

02:42:12.000 Put you in a room with a teenage kid that's a nice guy, and he tells you to go to all his favorite websites.

02:42:12.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:42:17.000 And you guys just go to websites all day, and you learn shit.

02:42:20.000 Now, look at this CNN.

02:42:21.000 Look at this.

02:42:21.000 This is a story right here.

02:42:22.000 This is how the Egyptian guy got in government.

02:42:24.000 And hear this.

02:42:24.000 Now you go like this, and you find out, well, we're actually worse off with the new government in Egypt, because they're even more crazy.

02:42:30.000 They're the Muslim Brotherhood.

02:42:31.000 Oh, shit.

02:42:32.000 I mean, you can get more education out of a couple of hours with a curious person and a computer than you can out of most school days.

02:42:39.000 Well, this is one of the things that's happening in America right now.

02:42:43.000 We call the libertarian mind melt.

02:42:45.000 And it's kind of a phenomenon we see people going through.

02:42:48.000 We used to joke: like, what's the difference between a minarchist and an anarchist?

02:42:51.000 You know, someone who believes.

02:42:53.000 Someone who believes in government limited to the Constitution or to specific principles, you know, the government should only be used for this or that, as opposed to, really, we should evolve past government.

02:43:03.000 I've never heard that expression, a minarchist.

02:43:05.000 Am I on?

02:43:05.000 How are you spelling it?

02:43:06.000 Aminimist?

02:43:07.000 Yeah.

02:43:07.000 Minimalist.

02:43:08.000 Exactly.

02:43:09.000 And Ron Paul is often confused as a minarchist.

02:43:12.000 He presents a minarchist platform as an immediate practical transition of going back to the Constitution or at least getting government restrained to what it's legally authorized to do, supposedly.

02:43:22.000 And his end goal, though, is a voluntary society.

02:43:25.000 And when I interviewed him for my TV show, we talked about this.

02:43:28.000 And he says that he is a voluntarist.

02:43:30.000 All human interaction should be free of force, fraud, and coercion.

02:43:32.000 And when you really get that, you're okay saying, I don't know when you look to the future.

02:43:38.000 And you're okay saying, when we don't have slavery, I don't know who's going to pick the cotton.

02:43:43.000 I don't know if we're going to have big machines that are going to pick the cotton for us and then spit out t-shirts.

02:43:52.000 We don't know how that's going to happen.

02:43:54.000 Who's going to build the roads?

02:43:55.000 We don't know.

02:43:56.000 What's the exact system that the market is going to be able to do?

02:43:58.000 Who's going to do it?

02:43:59.000 People are going to do it.

02:44:00.000 People are going to do it peacefully.

02:44:00.000 And when you understand that government is going to fucking be potholes everywhere, nothing's ever going to get done.

02:44:06.000 No one's going to do their part.

02:44:08.000 Lazy bitches.

02:44:09.000 They're going to show up late, put in a half-assed day.

02:44:12.000 The hospital is going to smell like armpits.

02:44:13.000 Yeah, listen, man.

02:44:14.000 I don't know if people are ready for that yet.

02:44:16.000 I see what you're saying.

02:44:17.000 We both want improvement.

02:44:18.000 I see what you're saying.

02:44:19.000 I don't know if I'm married to your system, though, man.

02:44:21.000 I don't know if I'm married to this crazy system.

02:44:25.000 People are going through this.

02:44:27.000 And in the course of, I mean, we've been talking for a few hours, but in the course of a conversation, it's very hard for someone to really shed their attachment to violence because that's what it is.

02:44:37.000 You have it in the middle of the morning.

02:44:38.000 Why do you keep saying violence, though?

02:44:39.000 The government doesn't necessarily have to be violence if it evolves in a council.

02:44:43.000 Ten minutes, you just got the 10-minute warning.

02:44:45.000 At three hours, our fucking thing becomes a pumpkin.

02:44:48.000 Okay.

02:44:48.000 Well, that's the definition, though, of government.

02:44:48.000 We're done.

02:44:50.000 It's all backed up by force.

02:44:52.000 I know that that is an option, but I don't necessarily believe that the idea is that everything you're doing, you're doing the threat of violence.

02:45:01.000 We're just using different terms for you.

02:45:02.000 The threat of violence is only there for people that don't want to subscribe to the standards of the community.

02:45:07.000 I'm defining government as the use of violence in that sense.

02:45:07.000 You know what I'm saying?

02:45:11.000 So you just have a broader sense of what government is.

02:45:13.000 Well, government is only the use of violence if things go wrong.

02:45:16.000 It's not the use of violence if someone disagrees with the majority.

02:45:20.000 That's just shit, cops.

02:45:21.000 It's just shit cops.

02:45:22.000 No, that's anybody who doesn't want to pay for wars.

02:45:24.000 You can protest all you want as long as you keep paying your taxes.

02:45:27.000 There'll still be a war.

02:45:29.000 Right.

02:45:29.000 I see what you're saying, that your money's going to go to that anyway.

02:45:32.000 it would be a beautiful thing if you were able to vote for whether or not your money went to the war.

02:45:36.000 Boy, would war be different than if you could like check off They should say, you get to vote whether or not any of your tax dollars ever get used for anything military.

02:45:47.000 It has to be worldwide.

02:45:48.000 Worldwide, yep.

02:45:48.000 And you'd be like, fuck you.

02:45:50.000 If you could actually decide to pay less taxes or more taxes.

02:45:55.000 That's exactly what I'm advocating.

02:45:56.000 We're American.

02:45:57.000 That's exactly what I'm advocating.

02:45:59.000 My country.

02:46:00.000 And the wars would be really small.

02:46:02.000 Just like a stock fight, a couple of people.

02:46:05.000 A quarter for extra dollar just to keep me safe.

02:46:08.000 So I can be free.

02:46:08.000 Exactly.

02:46:09.000 Fuck.

02:46:10.000 Free to watch people drive around a circle.

02:46:15.000 Listen, ladies and gentlemen, we're going to get through this.

02:46:18.000 I don't know if it's going to be the Adam Kokesh model or if it's going to be the Terrence McKenna Mayan Apocalypse 2012 model.

02:46:27.000 I don't know what the fuck's going to happen, but we're going to get through this.

02:46:29.000 Man, I feel really bad now.

02:46:30.000 I've spent all this time answering your questions and talking about it.

02:46:35.000 Because I wanted to ask you, I wanted you to get your mentorship and tab your wisdom and see about what you think I should be doing differently.

02:46:44.000 No, listen, dude, you're doing what you want to do.

02:46:46.000 And I think what you want to do is educate people, enlighten people, and express information.

02:46:50.000 And I think that's a beautiful thing.

02:46:52.000 That's why you're so happy.

02:46:53.000 You're happy because you're genuinely doing good things.

02:46:56.000 You're happy because you're genuinely affecting people in a positive way.

02:46:59.000 You're putting out a positive blast of energy and information and allowing people to empower their thoughts.

02:47:04.000 And allowing people to realize, hey, man, I'm not crazy.

02:47:06.000 I'm a nice person.

02:47:07.000 There's other people like that out there.

02:47:08.000 There's other people that believe in truth.

02:47:10.000 And what real liberty is.

02:47:12.000 Liberty is having the liberty to do what you want.

02:47:15.000 You're not affecting people.

02:47:16.000 Having the ability to roam anywhere unrestricted.

02:47:20.000 You don't have to be fucked with by someone that is just there because there's a job opening.

02:47:25.000 And that job opening is control people, enforce this shit that's written down on this piece of paper.

02:47:29.000 So you're doing great already.

02:47:30.000 Well, that's exactly what I'm talking about.

02:47:32.000 Keep on doing what you're doing, man.

02:47:34.000 Just do what you're doing.

02:47:34.000 That's what I'm going to do.

02:47:35.000 That's what Brian does.

02:47:37.000 We know what the right thing to do is, man.

02:47:38.000 We all have an internal compass that's telling you what to do.

02:47:41.000 You just got to figure out a way to avoid all the pitfalls in life that can keep you from accomplishing that or going in that direction.

02:47:47.000 Everybody's is different.

02:47:48.000 You just got to find it.

02:47:49.000 You dirty bitches, this is not a fucking self-help show.

02:47:53.000 All right?

02:47:54.000 What have you done to me?

02:47:55.000 Dude, thank you very much.

02:47:56.000 We haven't talked about masturbating for like an hour now.

02:47:58.000 Well, that's a good amount of time to take off.

02:48:01.000 If you ever want to come back and do it again, man, let's do it again.

02:48:03.000 Do it again in the future.

02:48:04.000 If you're ever in LA again.

02:48:06.000 And now that you're a legal medical patient, I'm sure you have to come back to get medicated.

02:48:12.000 Thank you, everybody, for tuning in.

02:48:13.000 Thank you, Adam Kokash.

02:48:14.000 Please watch his podcast.

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02:48:32.000 They're the shit and nice people.

02:48:34.000 And go ahead and follow the fleshlight, you freak.

02:48:37.000 Do whatever the fuck you want.

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02:48:46.000 We've got a show tonight at the Ice House.

02:48:48.000 It's going down in about two hours and 20 minutes, ladies and gentlemen.

02:48:53.000 And it'll be Dom Irera, Greg Fitzsimmons, Ari Shafir, Brian Redband, Iko Tanaka, Ryan Mervin, Tony Henchcliffe, Tony Henchcliffe, and me.

02:49:04.000 And our San Diego shows sold out Friday.

02:49:07.000 The first one, there's a few more tickets left.

02:49:09.000 And Thursday, there's a few more tickets left.

02:49:12.000 There's more than one show on Friday?

02:49:13.000 Yeah, there's two shows.

02:49:14.000 What time are they?

02:49:15.000 I think 8.30 and 10.

02:49:17.000 I got two shows Friday in San Diego, ladies and gentlemen.

02:49:20.000 American Comedy Company.

02:49:21.000 One of them's already sold out.

02:49:23.000 So come on down, you dirty freaks.

02:49:24.000 This is my first experience in Comic-Con.

02:49:26.000 And if you're listening in New Jersey, we have another civil disobedience swimsuit protest on the boardwalk in Aspury Park this Saturday, July 14th.

02:49:33.000 You're not allowed to wear swimsuits on the boardwalk?

02:49:35.000 It's punishable by a thousand dollar fine of 90 days in jail.

02:49:37.000 Oh, God.

02:49:39.000 What kind of cuntiness is this?

02:49:41.000 We're standing up to the man.

02:49:43.000 That is not a cop.

02:49:44.000 That is a glorified revenue collector.

02:49:45.000 That is some dungeon.

02:49:46.000 Someone's done a piss-poor job of managing that fucking community.

02:49:49.000 It might be just because they don't want girls with thongs around little kids that are in the pier.

02:49:53.000 Why?

02:49:54.000 Let them learn young.

02:49:55.000 That's a whore.

02:49:55.000 Son, see that?

02:49:56.000 Take a good look.

02:49:57.000 And hey, keep an eye on those.

02:49:59.000 I got to get one more plug-in if I'm.

02:50:00.000 Still your sperm.

02:50:01.000 Veterans for Ron Paul, who are so inspired like I am by his message to be on this philosophical journey.

02:50:06.000 We are going to be marching on the RNC in Tampa August 27th.

02:50:10.000 Be there for Paul Fest.

02:50:12.000 Dude, dude, hold on.

02:50:13.000 You just say you're going to march outside in Tampa in fucking August?

02:50:18.000 Yeah, eight miles.

02:50:19.000 Preposterous.

02:50:20.000 I was in Fallujah.

02:50:21.000 What do you expect?

02:50:22.000 You're going to kill some old people.

02:50:22.000 That's crazy, man.

02:50:24.000 We're going to go salute Ron Paul because he's woken so many people up to the station.

02:50:26.000 Can you just drive?

02:50:28.000 Air conditioning and shit.

02:50:29.000 Maybe wave a flag out the window.

02:50:30.000 You can drive and meet us there, Joe.

02:50:31.000 Maybe get a tattoo.

02:50:32.000 We're going to salute Ron Paul.

02:50:33.000 I'm not walking outside, son.

02:50:35.000 Listen, ladies and gentlemen, this fucking podcast is over.

02:50:37.000 Thank you to Adam Kokesh.

02:50:38.000 Thank you very much.

02:50:39.000 This is a lot of fun, man.

02:50:39.000 My pleasure.

02:50:40.000 Like I said, we'll do it again, brother.

02:50:41.000 Absolutely.

02:50:42.000 And if you ever need anything, you know, tweeted, you want to let people know, let us know, spread the information.

02:50:42.000 For sure.

02:50:48.000 Want to be a part of the revolution.

02:50:50.000 Thanks to Anit.com.

02:50:51.000 Go get yourself some kettlebells, you dirty bitches, and some fucking battle ropes and get all manly.

02:50:56.000 We will see you next week.

02:50:56.000 All right.

02:50:58.000 We've got a lot of people coming up soon.

02:50:59.000 We've got Kat Von Dee and I are in talks.

02:51:02.000 I'm doing a podcast next week.

02:51:03.000 It'll be Kevin Smith's podcast.

02:51:05.000 I'll let you know.

02:51:06.000 We're working that out.

02:51:07.000 You guys are giving me a hard time for hitting on the weed chick on the air.

02:51:10.000 You guys are talking to porn stars.

02:51:12.000 Kat Von D's not a porn star.

02:51:13.000 She's a tattoo artist.

02:51:14.000 Oh, my bad.

02:51:14.000 But I'm talking about Brian earlier.

02:51:16.000 Oh.

02:51:17.000 What are you talking about?

02:51:17.000 Oh, yeah.

02:51:18.000 Well, they're his friends, actually.

02:51:19.000 He does podcasts with them.

02:51:20.000 He's actually doing a podcast with Terra Patrick, rather, a show with Terra Patrick Saturday night.

02:51:24.000 At 90 show at the same club, AmericanComedyCode.com, desquad.tv.

02:51:29.000 That's cooler than me.

02:51:30.000 Oh, there's nothing cool about that.

02:51:32.000 All right.

02:51:32.000 Listen, folks.

02:51:34.000 Thanks for all the love.

02:51:35.000 I can't say it any more succinctly and clearly than that.

02:51:39.000 Thanks for everything.

02:51:40.000 Thanks for the Twitter messages.

02:51:41.000 Thanks for all the positive energy.

02:51:43.000 Thanks for being a part of all this.

02:51:45.000 I don't even know what the fuck this is, but something's going down.

02:51:48.000 The love illusion.

02:51:49.000 Strap in.

02:51:49.000 I don't think it's that.

02:51:51.000 We're taking off as a species.

02:51:53.000 Get ready.

02:51:53.000 All right, man.

02:51:54.000 Maybe.

The Joe Rogan Experience - July 12, 2012

Joe Rogan Experience #239 - Adam Kokesh

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