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00:01:33.000And know this, if there's anything that we're selling on this show, anything, whether it's...
00:01:39.000You know, whether I'm telling you that I support Alienware computers because they support MMA, whether it's the fleshlight, whether it's anything that we sell on the show.
00:02:44.000And Aubrey and I both have had a tremendous amount of experience taking these things long before we ever became involved in selling them and distributing them.
00:02:54.000There's a bunch of different formulas out there.
00:04:08.000You're not killing Joey Diaz with 1,500 pounds.
00:04:10.000Joey Diaz laughs at your 1,500 pounds.
00:04:12.000You give him 1,500 pounds of weed and he'll just be running around naked, screaming at people, you cocksucker, you think you're going to kill me that easy?
00:05:09.000How many times a year are you trying to do these intense psychedelic experiences?
00:05:14.000Well, you know, after this last experience, I kind of got the message that, you know, there wasn't too much left for me to explore in this.
00:05:21.000But, you know, I kind of see myself as an adventurer, you know, coming back, getting knowledge and taking it back and sharing it.
00:05:27.000When you say that not too much left, like, I always feel like if I do it too much, that I'm not absorbing what's happening.
00:05:35.000I always feel like if I have too many experiences in a row, like two or three in a couple of months, I feel like I'm just playing.
00:05:46.000It takes a long time for the big ones to make sense to me.
00:05:50.000Yeah, I think there's a certain amount of information that needs to kind of accumulate, and you need to get farther off track for your experience to be really...
00:05:58.000Well, that's what the people say that are real skeptics.
00:06:05.000There is some anecdotal evidence that some things have been discovered while on LSD, and supposedly Francis Crick on his dying deathbed said that LSD was...
00:06:42.000But what have you, like, is there like one thing that you could, like, if someone said, what do you ever bring back?
00:06:48.000Is there one thing that you could say?
00:06:50.000I can give you three things from this last experience that were pretty poignant life lessons that were told to me just directly, flat out, that I think will help me for the rest of my life.
00:07:33.000Yeah, I mean, the second experience I had, the first one was just basically coming to terms with my own mortal death.
00:07:39.000I mean, every possible way I could die, snakes eating out my organs, sliding down vines of thorns, every possible way that I could confront my death, I had to go through.
00:08:17.000I could feel, you know, the medicine just kind of draw me back down into the ground and a deep sense of peace and a kind of conquering of a fear of suffering that I had.
00:08:25.000So you had to just figure out how to let go of the idea that you're going to die, which really is the one thing that fucks with almost everybody.
00:10:05.000I could look towards the future, towards business, towards anything.
00:10:08.000And everything was just perfectly lucid in this universe that didn't change no matter which direction I looked at.
00:10:13.000And it was an incredibly profound, life-changing experience in the last sessions.
00:10:19.000Did it seem, when you were looking at the world and all the different aspects of your world, did it seem like something you're creating in your mind?
00:10:30.000And I've had some psilocybin experiences and some other different experiences that seem very much like an exploration on a ride through my own subconscious.
00:10:40.000Like going through the dream state, processing bad emotions, bad feelings.
00:10:45.000But something particular about the DMT experience and the Iboga experience transcends that kind of feeling like you're on a ride through dreamland, you know, that really is your own mind.
00:10:55.000It felt completely different because I was so lucid.
00:10:59.000I was so able to just navigate through a different space where only the shaman was sharing that space.
00:11:04.000The rest of the people around me We're just these spindles of light that I could kind of see through.
00:11:08.000And I had full options to do whatever I want.
00:11:10.000I even ran back to my cabin and shot a little video where I looked really kind of weird and a little bit freaked out.
00:11:16.000But I was like, I had to capture that moment because I was worried that I was going to forget it.
00:11:20.000So you got a video of you talking about what you just experienced?
00:11:23.000Or were you experiencing it currently while you were in the video?
00:11:55.000I think what DMT does is it opens up the other dimensional realms where there's knowledge and information that wants to come and access your brain.
00:12:06.000You want to receive information from those other dimensions and how it comes to you is generally There's a translation gap.
00:12:13.000There's no Rosetta Stone there, so it comes through generally as pictures, and these pictures can often be very confusing, but it's Really trying to translate information that your brain wants to get access to.
00:12:25.000And the only way it knows how to do that is to show you pictures.
00:12:27.000So you explore these pictures and find answers from what I believe is either the collective unconsciousness of all people or another dimension that's even higher, that's beyond people, that transcends people, that's a wisdom older than people.
00:12:42.000And I think that's kind of where you're accessing this information.
00:12:45.000I think there's also some component of your own mind and consciousness, but I think DMT in particular is a pretty unique molecule that really allows access from some other spaces that are non-self-generated.
00:13:00.000It certainly seems like that when you're doing it, but nobody knows what the fuck that really is.
00:13:13.000If you want to look up cat pictures, just stretch us out so you don't have to be looking like a fucking weirdo cat stalker in the corner.
00:13:23.000When you take it and you have that feeling, though, do you think it's possible that that feeling is just a drug interacting with your mind?
00:13:29.000Because that's what the skeptic would say, right?
00:15:13.000Look, consciousness is created by chemicals, okay?
00:15:15.000You need all these different chemicals in order for a human being to have a mind that's functioning.
00:15:20.000And this consciousness of the human mind has manifested a physical reality that is almost impossible to imagine.
00:15:27.000When you think of airplanes and the internet and television and fucking giant buildings and shit, these all come from chemicals.
00:15:34.000Chemicals have produced chain reactions.
00:15:37.000They've produced, they've set into motion a chain of events that have fucking eaten every fish out of the ocean, polluted everything, you know, figured out how to drop bombs that incinerate a half a million people at a time.
00:15:51.000I mean, this has all come from chemicals.
00:15:53.000So why would we be tripped out that the idea that you introduce a different chemical and you literally change dimensions?
00:16:00.000I mean, the chemicals in this dimension have changed the shit out of this place.
00:16:05.000And that has done it in the form and the manifestation of human consciousness.
00:16:09.000Why wouldn't we think that another one that you add to human consciousness might elevate you to some different place?
00:16:14.000Yeah, and that's what I think the real shame about all the drug laws that disallow these different explorations.
00:16:21.000At this point, it's still such a small amount of people that are accessing this, that are able to research it.
00:16:27.000The LeBron James of psychedelic tripping has not been discovered yet.
00:16:31.000He's the person who can go out there and pick up information that's completely different and bring it back and solve some of these mysteries.
00:16:39.000You've got to have a basketball court on every block to produce LeBron James.
00:16:43.000You've got to have psychedelics legal to get enough people to get the The super, you know, the super explorer out there and have access to it.
00:16:52.000Yeah, and I think also collectively we learn from each other's experiences.
00:16:56.000I know that, you know, when I have had friends that have tripped and came back and had a different perspective on themselves, you know, just absorbing their story and absorbing their experience and then you have your experience compounded with The information that they kind of gave you about their experience, and it all builds up together.
00:17:14.000When you're just by yourself alone in a fucking cabin in Vermont, and you're tripping your fucking balls off with nobody to talk to, you know?
00:19:33.000He seems like he's having a great time.
00:19:35.000And, you know, we were talking earlier about people who are on antidepressants, like what number of people are on antidepressants and how weird it is when you're around someone who's loopy on antidepressants.
00:19:45.000And you're like, I wonder how much of our brain is just fucking designed to be a hunter and gatherer.
00:19:52.000And despite the fact that we've evolved way, way past that societally, the physical body is slow as shit to catch up to technology.
00:20:11.000And this gardener, he said, was one of the examples of the happiest people he's ever seen.
00:20:15.000And he lived in a very affluent kind of British society.
00:20:19.000And he said one of the reasons his keys to happiness was every day he went out and his job was to hunt rabbits.
00:20:25.000Because the rabbits would tear up the gardens.
00:20:27.000So that was his daily challenge that he got to do.
00:20:30.000And every morning he woke up and he was like, those goddamn rabbits, I'm gonna fucking get them.
00:20:35.000And that for him was all he needed to every day have that challenge and have the ability to meet it and feel like he was making a difference.
00:20:44.000So similar to your mountain man, He goes out and he goes after those animals and he has that challenge against nature, challenge to catch the animals, and then come back and get it.
00:21:46.000Especially when you make the releases illegal.
00:21:49.000If you're going to be in that kind of situation, there's a lot of people that are.
00:21:52.000Well, if you do, you better get out and fucking camp on the weekends and go find nature again.
00:21:57.000Because that's part of what I think is another key.
00:21:59.000Probably why your mountain man is so happy.
00:22:01.000Because he's connecting with the natural world, which I think is another big key.
00:22:04.000So you better go out and fucking camp on the weekends.
00:22:06.000And every 6 to 12 months, You know, I believe that a psychedelic reset can be extremely valuable, can kind of purge all of these kind of negative emotions that you felt.
00:22:16.000And then you can kind of go do your job and check out and live for other things.
00:22:20.000Live for your girlfriend, for your workout that you have at the end of that.
00:23:20.000San Diego shits on LA. Get those negative ions off the water.
00:23:24.000It's weird how the weed, you do feel that marijuana laws, or at least its tolerance, is completely different than what it is in Los Angeles.
00:23:32.000Oh yeah, they have a really hard time putting up dispensers there.
00:24:23.000There's way more than there are Starbucks and McDonald's combined.
00:24:29.000And when you hear the shit with the raids and stuff, if you look at the shit, like the why they got raided, it's because they were operating without a license.
00:25:49.000There might be a dude hanging by his heels from the ceiling ready to drop on a cop because that's what he does because he's methed out all day and he's got a knife in his teeth.
00:27:56.000If there was only two of us, it would be nuts.
00:27:57.000But if there's 300 million of us, you can come up to me and say, you can't grow marijuana.
00:28:03.000I'd be like, what are you talking about?
00:28:05.000Why are you telling me what to do, ever?
00:28:07.000Well, the only reason why it seems like you should be allowed to tell somebody what to do is when there's You represent some giant group of people.
00:28:17.000And so this bunch has decided they don't like you doing this.
00:28:20.000And they haven't even decided it, by the way.
00:28:22.000You know, it's like, what it is is a bunch of, a giant group of people who are making money from other things and are worried that you're gonna take away some of their profits with this plant that you want to grow.
00:29:30.000It's going to be even, I mean, you know, God forbid there's some kind of Hunger issue that comes from any kind of collapse or something like that.
00:29:37.000But then you got a plant that's about the easiest motherfucker to grow that can feed people and clothe people.
00:30:08.000Is that a roach in your fucking ashtray, boy?
00:30:11.000They'll pull you out and beat you if you have a roach in your ashtray, but they'll look at your papers and go, what do you got, enough Oxycontin in there to kill a fucking country?
00:30:19.000I always thought it would be a good skit by some enterprising pioneer to take a cop out to a cow pasture and find a magic mushroom that's growing in the cow pasture and walk with the cop and just find the exact point where it becomes illegal.
00:30:33.000To touch something that's growing out of the ground.
00:30:35.000Just bring him, come up to it, come close to it.
00:31:01.000I mean, it gets so absurd at that point, you know, when this natural substance becomes illegal.
00:31:06.000They were legal in England until really recently.
00:31:11.000But it's probably because Americans went there and took too many mushrooms and freaked the fuck out and ran down the street.
00:31:16.000It's like, alright, we gotta stop this shit.
00:31:18.000Maybe, or they just had too many good ideas, who knows.
00:31:21.000Yeah, well, hopefully that was the reason.
00:31:23.000Yeah, but I guess, you know, there's some, the two promising fields, there's some pretty good research coming out.
00:31:28.000Johns Hopkins had that one on psilocybin, that was good.
00:31:30.000MAPS is doing some good work, some other people are doing good work, but then the Church of Santa Dime won a big case For ayahuasca as a medical, I mean as a religious sacrament.
00:31:43.000So that's kind of another angle that's kind of allowing some of these medicines to get in through a loophole.
00:31:49.000Because you're allowed, I know the Native American church already got peyote approved.
00:31:52.000And then this Church of Santo Daime, or either them or the EDV, I don't know.
00:31:56.000I think it's the EDV. The EDV that did it.
00:32:31.000There was a shaman down in the area that we were at who does that, who combines, who blends Christianity with the traditional jungle beliefs of ayahuasca.
00:32:40.000So the beings that he's talking to, sometimes it's spirit of mother ayahuasca or whatever, and other times it's straight sweet baby Jesus that he's trying to talk to, and that actually throws some people off.
00:32:52.000I definitely prefer my shaman to be straight jungle beliefs rather than a Christian.
00:32:58.000Well, that really begs the question then, what's going on?
00:33:03.000Is Jesus real or is everything you can imagine real?
00:33:08.000And is your imagination concocting all this shit?
00:33:12.000And is the imagination sort of being underestimated or downplayed or maybe mischaracterized?
00:33:19.000You know, we look at the imagination as something that creates some bullshit, something that's not real, something that creates things that are imaginary.
00:36:02.000And I'm listening as you're basically hearing what I'm hearing at this point in time.
00:36:07.000The shaman's kind of rattling his leaves and singing his songs.
00:36:10.000And then the experience starts to get rich, like it did the time before.
00:36:15.000And what appears to me is like a nexus of energy right in front of me.
00:36:20.000And unlike last time where things were coming at me, snakes and eels were just charging at me from all directions, this time it was subtler.
00:36:26.000I felt like I was looking into like a black hole or a wormhole.
00:37:54.000And then bursting through comes this huge dragon.
00:37:57.000Like this giant, the dragon head was just ten feet right in front of me.
00:38:02.000And it was a silver dragon in the kind of medieval stylings, and it had fluorescent green and blue highlights, and smoke was coming out of his nose, and he was clearly a fire-breathing type of dragon.
00:38:12.000And he comes right up to me, and he goes, So you want to change the world?
00:39:02.000And then right there he like shows me a cross-section of my life and all my actions.
00:39:06.000And what he showed me was is that even though ostensibly I do a lot of things to help people, there's always a serious component of propping myself up, my own ego, my own persona, my own kind of establishing my own self in the world for, you know, egoistic and pride reasons.
00:39:23.000And he just showed me this, like, lucidly clear, you know, that there was a mixture of my actions, you know, and he wanted to...
00:39:30.000Yeah, and he wanted to have me be aware of where that boundary line lie and not to trick myself or confuse myself in thinking that, you know, what I was doing wasn't also for my own benefit.
00:40:02.000And I thought he was just going to lay the ground with fire.
00:40:04.000And instead he goes, shouldn't that be what you want to heal?
00:40:08.000And I was like, yep, I guess you're right, dragon.
00:40:12.000So he was really challenging me in these answers that I gave him, which was a pretty interesting kind of experience for this other entity to be clearly showing me different sides and teaching me things that I clearly wasn't quite aware of.
00:42:28.000And the bear is kind of struggling, and I see kind of like a ghost of the bear, like the spirit of the bear, and it's trying to leave the bear's body.
00:42:35.000It's trying to like venture out, but it's stuck.
00:42:38.000And then the bear catches sight of me.
00:42:39.000And that's another crazy thing about seeing these beings.
00:42:42.000It's like the bear turns to look at me and notices me.
00:42:46.000It's not like he was waiting for me there.
00:43:04.000And basically what he was trying to tell me was, is that, you know, don't ever let money and wealth or anything tie you down and like keep you from your freedom and expressing what your real nature is.
00:43:16.000And it's really kind of like a Buddhist sentiment.
00:43:18.000That's a difficult thing for people to do.
00:43:20.000It sounds like such a noble task when you're poor.
00:43:23.000The real problem is once you actually get money.
00:43:26.000You know, one of the big things that happens to people when they get money is they're scared of not having money.
00:43:31.000So they start doing things they think like...
00:43:36.000Especially, I see this with comics, they start saying things they think people want to hear, or they start avoiding any sort of controversy that might get them in trouble, or moving away from anything that might be controversial because they want to keep this money coming in.
00:44:50.000He says, because I see through everybody else's eyes.
00:44:54.000And I took a moment to sink in, and what he was showing me there was that all so often when we try and imagine what people are thinking or feeling, we have our own bias.
00:45:04.000We don't actually truly see through their eyes.
00:45:07.000Like, imagine what their fears and motivations and weaknesses.
00:45:10.000Even the people that we don't like, we always see them with this kind of biased look, like, oh, that dude's a fucking idiot.
00:45:16.000But if we really try to get into their eyes, you can learn something about that person and learn something about the world by actually dropping all of your kind of own ego and really assuming the eyes of whatever else you're trying to look at, whether it's an animal or a person or something like that.
00:46:26.000Too much of a different swath of people, yeah.
00:46:29.000And too many people have their own take on what's funny and what's not.
00:46:32.000It's like what happens when you get a television show, and then you get a whole slew of producers that have an opinion over what the character should be doing and what's funny and what's not funny.
00:48:08.000So I would think that if you take a hallucinogen, I'm sure you have the same thoughts.
00:48:13.000If you try to better yourself, if you're trying to move your life in a more positive direction, you're going to have the same sort of key stumbling roadblocks, I think, in the mind.
00:48:28.000How much of my ego is holding me back?
00:48:31.000How much of my perception of reality is distorted and that's holding me back?
00:48:57.000I don't mean that in any disrespectful way at all, but one of the things that I feel most certainly when I do DMT or something along those lines is that I'm a fucking idiot.
00:49:43.000Do you think those crazy homeless people that are sitting there talking, having full-on conversations with dragons, do you think there's a big connection to actually feeling that and seeing that and opening your brain up to that guy?
00:49:58.000It's a real good question, really, and you'd be disingenuous to not address it.
00:50:04.000Because I think, what we said before, what's going on with those people in our medical idea, the medical community's version of it, is that there's an imbalance, a chemical imbalance, they have issues, they have whatever it is, they're psychotic, they're paranoid schizophrenic, whatever the diagnosis is, we're going out on a limb and saying there's some sort of chemicals that are out of whack there.
00:50:29.000Well, the brain's just a soup of chemicals.
00:50:33.000It's neurotransmitters, receivers, whatever the fuck the brain itself is, the neurons, all of it together, mushing around.
00:50:40.000If one of those is out of whack, you know, and one of those is out of whack because you're crazy, or one of those is out of whack because you're at a hut in the fucking jungle, and you took some crazy shit, which is a soup of some roots that fucking...
00:50:57.000Blow your neurotransmitter levels out of the water.
00:51:01.000Like, this shit's coming out of your ears.
00:51:04.000I mean, what's really happening there is that it might not be much different than what that guy's experiencing at the bus stop.
00:51:10.000Well, I mean, the quality of content is certainly a little different.
00:51:13.000Well, certainly, your brain, a healthy brain, can bring you back to baseline on a DMT flash in 15 minutes.
00:51:20.000Ayahuasca is a little longer because it's absorbed by the stomach and so it's sort of a slower process.
00:51:26.000What ayahuasca is is an orally active version of dimethyltryptamine, which is the most powerful psychedelic drug known to man, which is also produced by your own brain.
00:51:36.000That's the weirdest part about it is that it's in all these different plants.
00:51:40.000It's like in grass and all these fucking leaves and squirrels make it.
00:51:47.000The leaves that they choose in the jungle, they choose a leaf called chacruna, which is one of the strongest DMT-containing plants in the jungle.
00:51:54.000But actually, there's other plants like the acacia plant from Australia, which has an even much higher DMT content than that.
00:52:01.000And you can make an ayahuasca out of other different things.
00:52:04.000Like you could use a Syrian rue and acacia to make a different ayahuasca-type rue.
00:52:08.000Yeah, and you have a different experience.
00:52:10.000And you have a different qualitative experience.
00:52:12.000Well, that was one of the things they say about the idea of the psychedelic experience is that When you're taking it, you're taking in the experiences of all the other people who have also experienced a psychedelic drug.
00:52:26.000And as you do mushrooms, you are actually contributing to the library of mushroom experiences.
00:52:33.000Yeah, the collective unconscious of all of that.
00:52:36.000It becomes the spirit of the mushroom or the spirit of the ayahuasca.
00:52:39.000That's generally how they talk about it.
00:52:40.000You know where else that acacia bush is?
00:53:00.000But there's a recent thing where these guys from some major university in Jerusalem were talking about how they believe that Moses receiving the Ten Commandments from God and God taking the form of the burning bush was most likely a bush that contained psychedelic chemicals.
00:54:02.000I think a great many of the religious experiences that people have had can be connected to psychedelics, including Mayan art and Egyptian art.
00:54:12.000Because one of the creepiest things that I've found is that, especially on mushrooms, I have seen a lot of Mayan things.
00:54:20.000I've seen a lot of Mayan imagery and freshly painted Mayan hieroglyphs.
00:54:27.000You see that sort of imagery and you wonder what came first, the chicken or the egg?
00:54:32.000Because you know these motherfuckers were eating mushrooms like crazy.
00:54:36.000I mean, they were living in the jungle where these things grow.
00:54:39.000They look like dinner plates, if you've ever seen them.
00:54:42.000And Mexico had one of the richest traditions of mushroom use.
00:54:46.000That's where Gordon Wasson first found out about it and all these different shamans in Mexico take people on these journeys to the spirit world using these fucking dinner plate sized mushrooms.
00:54:57.000That's one interesting thing about the psychedelics that make it seem like it's not your mind.
00:55:27.000And we're saying, you know, if the LeBron James of ayahuasca came along, he could go to these entities and figure out what they do when they're not teaching people shit, you know, if they're real.
00:55:38.000Because whenever they appear, they're always trying to teach you something or tell you something.
00:55:49.000To that point where you can experience more than just taking a lesson.
00:55:53.000And that would be the way to determine whether these are just ways that your mind is communicating with itself or whether these things have a life outside of this didactic purpose that they have.
00:56:02.000It feels like you're popping your head into somewhere you're not supposed to be.
00:56:13.000It's weird that they communicate with you, and sometimes in sentences and words you've heard before.
00:56:20.000It might be a delay in your inner conscious.
00:56:23.000You know how you can, like, if you listen to your inner conscious talking, and imagine the drug just slows down your ability to receive your inner conscious voice.
00:56:39.000It could be a lot of different things, for sure.
00:56:42.000You know, I think one of the first DMT trips that I had, one of the weirdest feelings about it all was that the idea of being connected to everything sounds like such fucking hippie bullshit.
00:57:49.000Nothing has any physical matter, but everything is everywhere.
00:57:52.000Everything is everywhere, and you're in the middle of it, and there's no ends, and there's no beginning, there's no roof, there's no floor.
00:57:59.000It's all a part of one thing, and you're in there scrambling, trying to make sense of it, and these things come out of nowhere that are essentially constantly changing as you're watching them, so you're not even sure what the fuck it actually is.
00:59:48.000Actually, just speaking about what you were saying, so the third time I drank...
00:59:52.000I didn't have any particularly crazy visions, but for three hours, the hut that I was in, everything else melted away, and I felt myself dissolve into the floor of the jungle.
01:00:05.000The bugs and the worms were crawling through me.
01:00:09.000It was like I was no longer a physical being.
01:00:13.000And I was absolutely one with the jungle.
01:00:15.000And I was asking, I was like, hey, does the dragon want to show up?
01:01:57.000And I think I touched on this last time because I was fresh from Iboga.
01:02:00.000But Ayahuasca will show you some things that you have no fucking clue what it means.
01:02:05.000Like one of the visions I had after the dragon, the bear, the eagle, is I was on this Viking ship and I was rowing through this sea, this moonlit sea.
01:02:12.000You know, I'm like, all right, sweet, I'm on this ship.
01:02:41.000And then the whole time, even to this day, I mean, the best explanation I had was maybe it had something to do with like the feminine energy of the moon, but I don't fucking know.
01:02:49.000I have no clue if that had any meaning at all, or if it was just some random trip.
01:02:54.000Did you say the feminine energy of the moon?
01:02:56.000Why would you think the moon would be feminine?
01:03:29.000I mean, some things were very poignant and...
01:03:32.000It taught me a lesson, like the things with the allies, but there's all these other visions that you're left like, what the fuck was that?
01:03:39.000So it can be a challenge in some of that regard.
01:03:43.000But the physical experience you feel, how connected you feel, how cleansed you feel, because afterwards, After that third session, he took one of his cigarettes, the nicotinia rustica cigarettes, and he blew it down my spine and on the top of my head and in different key parts.
01:04:00.000I wasn't even that nauseous that whole time, the third time.
01:06:20.000It's like, I've never heard of anybody that has had like a real deep psychedelic journey that didn't come back and go, well, I gotta fucking rethink everything.
01:06:30.000I've never, I don't know anybody that has.
01:08:50.000It might have an actual power of creation.
01:08:53.000I don't know what the fuck happens when you leave my house.
01:08:56.000I'm pretty sure you get in your car and you go to your life and you go and do your thing and hang out with your girlfriend and get in your car and I'm pretty sure you do the same thing.
01:09:18.000There might be an infinite number of yous with every single decision you make branches off into another you and another way and another version and another reality and all these realities intertwine with each other and then we meet.
01:09:30.000That's why sometimes when you run into someone, it's like, you've been on a path, and you've been on a journey, and this motherfucker has been on a different thing.
01:09:38.000Not the same as you, less self-objective, less self-analytical, and maybe self-destructive.
01:09:50.000And then you're around them, it's like, how did I ever hang out with you?
01:10:25.000I mean, I particularly like the paradigm that the shamans have there, in which case they describe all of these different dimensions as the layers of an onion, and each person as a toothpick that pierces all the different layers of the onion.
01:10:38.000And so that you're occupied in your consciousness on the first tangible layers, which encompass the first through the fourth, space and time, basically.
01:10:54.000And then the sixth and seventh dimensions, those have the disembodied non-human entities that you interact with.
01:11:01.000Like the floats that I found were from the seventh.
01:11:04.000They would call the dragon and these other things that you see, you know, the people singing you child songs.
01:11:10.000Those are beings of the sixth dimension.
01:11:12.000And then the eighth dimension is this kind of oversight dimension where you can actually manipulate all the dimensions beneath it and see everything.
01:11:22.000It's like the highest vantage point where you can see the dimension of imminent possibility where you can basically do what you're saying with your imagination, believe things into reality from the eighth dimension.
01:11:35.000Has anybody ever had an experience from the eighth dimension where they imagined some reality and then manifested it and then wrote about it?
01:11:48.000And that's where they say they got the idea to create ayahuasca and they get these messages and these different herbal treatments and it's from these 8th dimension teachings that they have.
01:11:59.000But again, I think there hasn't been enough of that, but it's because there's not enough fucking people who have the skills able to do that to also not only get there, but then communicate the idea to a mass market.
01:12:13.000I mean, it's just such a limited swath of people who are able to access that dimension, A. And then B, to have that, to cross-section that with the amount of people who could then think of something, bring something back and express it, it starts to get really small numbers.
01:12:28.000It's so funny how many people who are productive members of society, who are interested in personal growth, who are all disciplined, getting their shit done, would never consider doing drugs to further themselves.
01:13:10.000And two, he wants to kind of revive his father's memory.
01:13:13.000I mean, those are big overriding forces.
01:13:14.000He also has a lot of altruistic goals, and he's an absolute genius, no doubt about it.
01:13:19.000But he's overlooking some very basic technologies that have been around forever.
01:13:24.000And these technologies are the psychedelics.
01:13:26.000I really truly believe that you can look at those as a technology.
01:13:30.000And the technology of ayahuasca can get him over his fear of death and show him that there is an eternal part of him and everybody that's going to extend past this meat sack that we're currently walking around in.
01:13:43.000But he's ignoring that technology because he's bought into the lie that this is a drug and this is bad.
01:13:48.000And the Iboga technology could get him direct access to the memories of his father.
01:13:54.000So even if he wasn't really talking to his father, I haven't made up a decision as to whether you're actually accessing these people or just conversing with their memory, he's at least going to be able to access the memories that he's trying to bring back through technology.
01:14:08.000He'll be able to access them, he'll be able to communicate with his father, and maybe have some cathartic peace.
01:14:15.000from those from those experiences but because you know some body in their higher knowledge said oh these things are illegal in the United States where you know they're legal in different places but illegal here he's completely ignored those technologies and it's been you know something that's really sad for his life may be good for all of ours because he's been rabidly pushing forward other technologies to get there and so he's advanced humankind dramatically where maybe he wouldn't have if he had had access to these other things but It's really interesting how
01:14:46.000a genius like that can be so focused on one area and then just ignore something that's so right there in front of them.
01:15:22.000This is kind of changing the subject a little bit, but I think I have my, I developed my own version of the singularity.
01:15:28.000I think, you know, he has a very kind of technological kind of view of when that's going to happen, when man and machine become indistinguishable and I follow a lot of what he's saying.
01:15:38.000I think that nanotechnology could eventually take over the immune responsibilities and the computational responsibilities that we currently have.
01:15:48.000But I don't believe that's really the singularity because I certainly do believe in an eternal part of us.
01:15:54.000And I think that the real singularity is going to come when we advance to the stage where we can consciously take that eternal part And choose which body we want to be in, and whether we want to be in it or not.
01:16:06.000So that whole death, you know, the myth of death, when we think we die and we think it's all over, it's really a transition.
01:16:12.000When we transcend that, and we can just take our spirit and say, okay, I'm going to live in this body for a little while, and then okay, I'm done with that body.
01:16:20.000I'll take my spirit and push it into another body.
01:16:23.000And so that consciousness never experiences the memory loss, never experiences that lack of connectedness with everything else.
01:16:29.000I think for me, That is the true singularity.
01:16:33.000And I think that singularity would come when you really push the advances in this kind of psychedelic exploration.
01:16:42.000I don't think that comes from technology.
01:16:44.000Maybe we do have to extend our lives another 500 years to be able to get there.
01:16:48.000And technology can help us extend our lives for 500 years or whatever.
01:16:52.000But I think ultimately the big advances that are going to take us to that complete paradigm shifting level are going to come from, you know, manipulating molecules like DMT and how they interact with the brain and transcending and being able to master these altered extra states of consciousness.
01:17:09.000I think that technology is sort of a psychedelic experience.
01:17:17.000What psychedelics do is they dissolve boundaries and they create the impossible in front of you and it's sort of humbling to the ego and provide you with a limitless source of information.
01:17:37.000So we sort of mistake the concept of what is psychedelic.
01:17:42.000But the technology for sure is changing everything and providing people with Things that to them will be a regular part of their everyday life, but just a hundred years ago were impossible and science fiction and insane.
01:17:59.000And then it just becomes normal and you just get used to it.
01:18:02.000If we stay alive for a million years, what is this going to look like?
01:19:38.000Which is why I've said before, you should never be a fucking president or any kind of leader unless you've had a massive psychedelic experience.
01:19:45.000And people say that that's ridiculous.
01:19:47.000I mean, to the uninitiated, me saying that is like, oh, that's Rogan being silly.
01:19:52.000He's just talking nonsense, the fucking cage-fighting commentator.
01:20:04.000You're going to keep playing the same stupid game.
01:20:08.000See what the fucking dragon has to say about indefinite detention.
01:20:10.000Wouldn't you love to see Barack Obama, just a fucking hut filled with Barack Obama, George Bush Jr., George Bush Sr., Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, and they were all ayahuasca.
01:20:22.000They would be puking out little fucking demons.
01:21:59.000The monsters have to chase down these 50 mile an hour running cows and kill these fucking things.
01:22:05.000Everywhere you look that has too many cows, too many whatever it is, whether it's antelope or water buffalo, there's crocodiles, there's wildebeest, there's crocodiles, there's lions.
01:23:00.000It's sad as fuck when you fly over the areas that have been chewed up.
01:23:03.000We flew into Brazil and there's areas we fly over where you can see where they've chopped down big swaths of the rainforest And it's like wow that's no joke like that's a lot like they've cut a lot of fucking trees down man Yeah, and that rainforest is not growing back where they cut it down.
01:23:21.000I mean, it's not it doesn't grow back there It doesn't it dries up and that's it.
01:23:25.000It needs the more I mean, it's like a self-sustaining sort of an environment the rainforest is and And when you chop it down, it's not like it just builds back up.
01:23:33.000That ground gets dry there because it's constantly exposed to the sun.
01:26:09.000So Neanderthals was a terminal chain of its own in the evolutionary, like the branch that created Homo sapiens happened earlier, and then Neanderthals was some terminal node that died out, right?
01:26:20.000Well, they didn't evolve from Neanderthals to anything else.
01:28:39.000I mean, easier examples are the people who are bummed out and depressed and can't talk to anybody or can't do anything or can't have that social contact.
01:28:46.000I saw something else on the, I think it's disinfo.com site where this woman started a service where she's charging like $60 to snuggle for like an hour, you know, in like a New York or a city like that.
01:29:24.000If you take a baby monkey away from the human contact of the mother monkey, if it can't hug up on it, they've done studies about that, and the monkey gets fucked up.
01:29:36.000I think a certain amount of contact and interaction is what our species is made for.
01:29:42.000Isn't it ironic that the larger the species group gets, the less contact it has with each other?
01:29:49.000I mean, you would think that this 300 million of us, fuck, would be interacting with each other all day long, constantly, never get away from each other.
01:29:55.000It's almost like technology is trying to bring us closer to a tribe.
01:30:00.000Technology, by dissolving secrets and boundaries, is trying to bring this gigantic group back together again as one individual unit like a tribe.
01:30:51.000But yet, this is what everybody's doing.
01:30:53.000Everybody's getting the house and paying.
01:30:54.000You got a 30-year commitment to pay the X amount a month and you got to work or they fucking take all your house away and everything you paid will go to nothing and you're fucking doomed.
01:31:03.000I mean, if you look at the way a lot of people are forced to live this life, it's so completely and totally unnatural, but so completely and obviously designed to keep this machine moving in the same direction.
01:31:16.000Because you keep this machine mass-producing technology, mass-producing innovation, and moving it faster and faster and further and further.
01:31:25.000Ultimately, everybody's like a little worker bee trying to push their segment of technology further.
01:31:32.000Yeah, but the consciousness is starting to reject it.
01:31:36.000You're starting to see the casualties.
01:31:37.000The casualties have been around for a long time.
01:31:39.000And they fill those with antidepressants.
01:31:54.000I don't know if it has anything to do with what the Mayans were talking about.
01:31:56.000But you can kind of sense something different is happening now.
01:31:59.000Well, I think just the fact that we've been bombarded with truth for the past, you know, who knows how many years now.
01:32:08.000We're constantly bombarded with reality and information.
01:32:11.000And that's just such a strange time where there's no running from reality.
01:32:17.000Whereas before, people could just sort of live in the dark or go super religious or, you know, they could block themselves off to giant chunks of what really, you know, makes the world tick.
01:32:45.000You can't hide information the way you used to.
01:32:48.000That Bernie Madoff dude, that guy could have rocked that shit for 100 years back in 1910. He could have rocked that shit until the wheels fell off, and no one would have suspected it coming.
01:33:00.000But in this world, in today's day and age, it's not that easy.
01:33:05.000Yeah, it'll be interesting to see which way it goes.
01:33:31.000And it's not like interacting with the real person where you would never say that to another person because you would see them, A, even if you were stronger and could kick their ass, you would see them get sad and it would be like you'd feel bad, hopefully, unless you're just a fucking total monster.
01:33:46.000But, you know, there's this check and balance of real interaction versus cyber interaction.
01:34:54.000So when you go to a state fair in Ohio, you think you're just seeing a lot of it?
01:34:57.000Because, I mean, there might be Columbus, there might be Cleveland, and there might be Cincinnati, but there's a whole lot of other space around those areas that you're like, who lives here?
01:35:06.000I think the majority, at least 80% of them are cool.
01:35:08.000I think you're dealing with a small group of loud people that become a problem almost everywhere.
01:35:15.000And a lot of them are fucking probably shitty jobs and alcoholics and hate their life and What I'm saying, though, is that if you see these people that are just idiots and retarded online that are just yelling out cunt, fuck, blah, blah, those are the same people that you see, you know, the worst of the worst.
01:35:32.000You see those people in real life, too.
01:35:34.000You just never see them because we're here in Los Angeles.
01:35:36.000Well, not just that, because you avoid them because you've got a good social circle.
01:35:40.000You know where to go and where not to go, and every now and then it crosses over and you wind up hanging out with some morons or getting stuck with some morons.
01:35:47.000That's why I fucking wish that the states had full autonomy, because I think you would start to actually, at that point where federal government could give up, the states could make cool enough laws and have a cool enough system built together.
01:36:54.000There's people on Yelp that, I don't know how they got on there, but there's people on Yelp and there are people revealing people as if they were a business.
01:37:05.000I haven't checked to see if I was on there.
01:37:08.000Well, you should be able to review the person that's reviewing and if the person reviewing only has two stars, their review shouldn't count.
01:39:34.000We talked about in the Ice House Chronicles.
01:39:36.000She should be fired from ever going to a comedy club again.
01:39:39.000They should take a picture of her, and every comedy club in the country should agree that this fucking dummy is no longer allowed to go to comedy clubs.
01:43:04.000Yeah, there's robots that just sit there and look for certain keywords in the timelines and stuff like that.
01:43:09.000Did you hear about the biggest Russian spammer from a few years back?
01:43:13.000There's this huge Russian spammer and Russia told him he was somehow operating within some basic rules so they couldn't go after him legally.
01:45:21.000I don't know how he rocks it, but the guy's straight.
01:45:24.000And when I found out about him, I'm like, damn, that motherfucker's like a Russian whore.
01:45:28.000He's like a mercenary dude that's willing to suck this old guy's dick.
01:45:33.000You get the feeling that there's some kind of harshness of life in Russia.
01:45:38.000Even when you used to see Fedor fight, just the kind of calmness that he came out there when his imposing physical violence is about to come.
01:45:46.000It's like, whatever he's been through...
01:45:48.000So much fucking scarier than the giant that he's about to fight on the other side of the ring.
01:46:16.000It's almost too bad that he's retiring now because his stand-up, since he started going to Holland, his stand-up has really improved a lot.
01:46:56.000He hit him with a leg kick, and then he faked the leg kick and threw like a Superman hook and cracked him on the jaw and then just unloaded on him on the ground.
01:47:03.000It's hard to watch, man, because Pedro Hizzo is one of those dudes that's been around for a long time.
01:47:09.000If you watched a highlight reel of all the times Pedro Hizzo's had his life turned out, it's really hard to watch.
01:47:16.000You know, the Gilbert Iovil fight, the Josh Barnett fight, there's a lot of fights over and over again where Pedro Hizzo's been really hit hard, really scary knockouts.
01:48:10.000I wonder if they're going to be able to eventually figure out a way to regenerate brain cells because that's a real issue with people with head trauma.
01:48:16.000It's just big parts of your brain just are not the same anymore after massive concussions, especially if you've had multiple concussions.
01:48:23.000And like football players and especially fighters in training, that's the big one.
01:48:28.000There's a guy who died recently in an unregulated MMA fight and he got triangled and tapped from the triangle and was no head trauma at all in the fight.
01:48:39.000Went back to his locker room and was watching some fights and then someone heard some moaning and they looked over and he had collapsed.
01:49:51.000This is what you're supposed to be doing.
01:49:53.000If you get KO'd in training, man, that's just tough shit.
01:49:56.000You just suck it up and you get out there and fight.
01:49:58.000It's a fine line between having to believe that you're going to win no matter what and then also being realistic and being like, yeah, I should probably bail on this.
01:50:06.000Well, very few guys know when to bail.
01:52:31.000We've had a bunch of Canadians and English people and people from all over the world come down and hang out at the Ice House, which is really cool because the Ice House is one of the oldest clubs in the country.
01:53:56.000Yeah, and we went in there and it's like you could feel when you're standing in that room when it's dark and there's no one on stage and there's no one in the room.
01:54:03.000Like you could feel the energy that's been transmitted in that building.
01:54:07.000Like that's a place where decades and decades of stand-up comedy has gone down.
01:54:13.000So we're there this Wednesday night, and you can get tickets at icehousecomedy.com.
01:54:18.000Just click on the link for Death Squad.
01:56:54.000But it really is bizarre that they have, like, La Jolla has these 30, 40, 50 million dollar houses, giant estates overlooking the water, 20 minutes from Tijuana.
01:58:58.000So, latest news in the Onnit world, we got the new alpha brain formula, which is just a slight tweak on the old alpha brain formula.
01:59:06.000Basically, the acetylcholine mechanism remains exactly the same.
01:59:10.000You have the huperziocerata as the acetylcholine S-rays inhibitor, and you have alpha-GPC as the raw source of choline to raise your acetylcholine levels.
01:59:19.000And then for the dopamine mechanism, we're using L-tyrosine, which is the basic source amino acid for L-dopa instead of muconipurins.
01:59:29.000Much more research behind L-tyrosine, and it just seems to be a preferred ingredient for that.
01:59:35.000And instead of the supplemental GABA, we switched that out with L-theanine, which is actually why when you drink green tea, you don't get that kind of hyperactive feeling that you do from coffee necessarily, because green tea contains natural L-theanine, which is related to the GABA mechanism and kind of keeps you from getting too hyper.
01:59:53.000And that's again going to temper that kind of very, a little bit manic effect of the mental speed and that kind of focus that you get from the acetylcholine.
02:00:03.000And then we added Phosphatidylserine, which is a great ingredient, got a couple cool studies with phosphatidylserine.
02:00:09.000One was measuring the accuracy of people off of a golf tee driving towards a hole 135 yards away and found statistically significant improvement In a double-blind study for the people taking phosphatidylserine as far as hitting the ball straighter.
02:00:26.000And what they found is that it just helps reduce mental fatigue.
02:00:29.000It's a natural nutrient that's found in brain cell membranes.
02:00:32.000I'm going to use it to rape down my air in pool tonight.
02:00:48.000Well, it's fascinating to me that this is a new frontier for a lot of folks.
02:00:54.000You know, a lot of people aren't really aware that there are a bunch of different nutrients that have shown that they have a positive effect on your brain function.
02:01:03.000And then I guess everything else remains the same.
02:01:06.000The AC-11, our proprietary antioxidant that comes from the rainforest herb, Cat's Claw, that they concentrate some of the alkaloids and really help you kind of clear away some of your mental fog.
02:01:16.000And then the Bacopa and the B6 to help round out the formula.
02:01:20.000But getting just great feedback on the new formula.
02:01:23.000Again, just a slight tweak for any of those who've been fans of the old alpha brain, but definitely just a little bit better on all fronts.
02:01:31.000And then we have the strong bone and joint formula, which we came out with, which is new.
02:01:36.000And that's focused around the mineral strontium.
02:01:39.000And New England Journal of Medicine study from 2004 showed that the people taking strontium ranelate had a 41% decrease fracture risk as far as developing the bone density.
02:01:51.000And that's because strontium is one of the key minerals along with calcium that's found in the bones.
02:01:56.000And a lot of our processed foods have eliminated the natural strontium content.
02:02:01.000So it's, you know, one of the theories why so many people are experiencing osteoporosis is because the natural strontium that generally comes from our foods, we're not getting them anymore.
02:02:10.000And then there's also mineral deficiencies, right?
02:02:14.000And so we put a bunch of other trace minerals in there, put some pretty traditional things for your joints, MSM, glucosamine, hyaluronic acid.
02:02:22.000And just make a kind of balanced formula with the ingredient strontium, which is best.
02:02:27.000And a lot of these studies do have it in conjunction with calcium.
02:02:30.000So we recommend taking, but you're not supposed to take them at the same time because they'll actually compete for absorption because they're such a similar molecule.
02:02:36.000So you take the stront bone or your strontium supplement in the morning, per se, and then take a calcium supplement at night.
02:02:42.000Great formula for people who are in active sports or if you're getting up there in age or just want better general bone and joint strength and flexibility.
02:02:53.000And then some exciting new stuff coming out.
02:02:55.000We got our HempForce product, which is fucking delicious.
02:03:49.000I would make these fucking muscle milkshakes, which taste so good, but would burn holes in the seat of my car while I was farting on the way to the gym, which is like, Jesus.
02:04:10.000There's a lot of issues with whey protein and digestion.
02:04:13.000If you aren't careful, it can create intestinal toxemia, which is like a sludge that builds up in your intestines and actually prevents the absorption of nutrients beyond that.
02:04:22.000But it is a very balanced kind of protein.
02:04:25.000It's just really tough for the human body to kind of metabolize it.
02:04:28.000Whereas hemp, on the other hand, hemp hearts, Two-thirds of that is made up of a compound called adestrin, which is already very commonly found in the human body.
02:04:37.000So there's virtually no allergy or digestion issues.
02:04:41.000Plus you got all the omega-3s and 6s, fatty acids in there, the GLA. Just a super protein for you.
02:04:48.000And all we did was add some cocoa, which is again another one of the original superfoods.
02:04:53.000You know, got a bunch of good trace minerals, chromium and a variety of other things.
02:08:23.000did know how to do it they forgot to get back all right but i just want to know is there someone respond to me on twitter if you know is there a way to do that because if there is a way to do that that would be badass i like that mustang better than i like that corvette yeah but i don't think you should get a red car shut up son i'm in love with this new mustang there's a new mustang shelby that's coming out it's got i think it's it's i think i said it wrong i think oh yeah it's 650 horsepower it's
02:08:48.000It's not 640. It's 650. 650 horsepower in a Mustang.
02:09:04.000So it's a big-ass V8, but it's really efficient.
02:09:06.000And then on top of that, it's connected to a radical fucking supercharger that gives you this mad whine over the roar of the V8. But I'm in love with this car, man.
02:13:25.000Go to O-N-N-I-T. And if you want to buy some supplements, use the code name ROGAN and save yourself 10% off.
02:13:32.000We cannot give you this sort of a discount on the battle ropes and the kettlebells.
02:13:36.000It's because they're as cheap as we can possibly sell them, ladies and gentlemen, in the best fucking quality you're going to get.
02:13:41.000These kettlebells are made out of solid motherfucking iron, and long after you're dead, archaeologists will find these bitches at the bottom of the ocean and try to figure out what the fuck they are.
02:13:52.000And they'll go, oh, this is what Mike used to get swole as fuck!
02:14:07.000All sorts of different packages for beginners and for people who are a bit more experienced.
02:14:12.000There's a hundred different fucking more videos on YouTube of different kettlebell techniques, and there's a lot of DVDs and stuff that's available as well.
02:14:20.000We're eventually going to make our own DVD. We're going to get on that.
02:14:22.000We'll probably talk about that as soon as we shut off this fucking podcast, okay?
02:14:29.000Thank you, everybody, for all the positive energy and all the positive tweets and all the cool motherfuckers that come out to these comedy shows.