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00:04:24.000He's like, if you fly over the Pacific Northwest, I guess that's the only time where you really get a true sense of how dense it is.
00:04:30.000Because we kind of think of it like...
00:04:32.000Especially the Pacific Northwest, we kind of think of it as like, you know, yeah, there's Seattle, and there's Portland, and there's some cities up there, and I guess there's highways.
00:04:41.000Dude, a giant chunk of that is just fucking dense rainforest.
00:04:47.000A lot of people are not aware of that, and that's the majority of sightings in America, right?
00:04:54.000The most, but what people trip on is they're all, they're continent-wide.
00:05:21.000If you were to sit your dad outside, deliver the table.
00:05:24.000No, I'm saying, wasn't Patterson known to be a con man?
00:05:28.000Listen, I believe firmly, Jane Goodall believes 100% that there's a Sasquatch.
00:05:34.000I believe very firmly it's very possible.
00:05:36.000I think that if they found one, all of a sudden people would start, you know, it would make sense to people.
00:05:42.000There's all sorts of primates all over this planet.
00:05:45.000And they know that Gigantopithecus lived with people in Asia, like, you know, thousands and thousands and thousands of years ago.
00:05:53.000And the real legit scientists that talk about Bigfoot say it's very possible that an animal came down with humans during the Bering Strait But, you know, realize humans are cunts.
00:07:56.000But it wasn't one of those big buff ones.
00:07:57.000He said it looked real frumpy, kind of like saggy, like wasn't sure if it was older or what.
00:08:02.000So he started squeezing one off, and when the thing realized he was going to pull the trigger because they were locking eyes, he turned and he shot it through the ribs, like lung shot, and it dropped, went down like to a sprinter position, then got up and sprinted super fast, stumbled once.
00:08:19.000And they went crashing down on this Manzanita.
00:08:22.000Well, they get out of the truck and they're walking down there.
00:08:45.000And right where the thing was around, two identical twin babies, like the size of three or four-year-old kids, but with way bigger heads, came out of the brush and were running around looking for the parent.
00:09:12.000They'd sniff the ground and look around on all fours, like totally, totally comfortable on all fours, like quadruped, you know, just run around.
00:09:19.000When they came near each other, they'd get up on two legs and they'd come up face to face.
00:09:22.000And he said, they sound like two profoundly mute people talking.
00:09:25.000They go, like just real guttural sounds.
00:10:14.000Well, like people believe in Jesus, but I never found like a Jesus hair or a Jesus track or a Jesus shit in the woods, you know, or Jesus killed an elk or anything.
00:13:27.000Who is this guy that has done this study?
00:13:29.000It's a woman named Melba Ketchum, and there's a lot of controversy around her, and there's some weird stuff about her, for sure, like things she's done and said.
00:14:24.000But there's other labs that you have to go through peer review, and you give them a sample, and they do the same test.
00:14:30.000But she had come up with these new techniques that hadn't been used before, and so the other labs had to authenticate that, then replicate the process, and you had to replicate it twice, each other lab.
00:14:41.000And the word is, and there's other scientists getting on board, because words leaked around in the community of those type of geneticists and stuff, is that it's real.
00:14:51.000It's really close to human, whereas...
00:14:53.000Chimps and gorillas have 98, 98.1% of the same DNA we have.
00:15:53.000Well, like they wouldn't, like we got some, you know, audio, we've got audio and stuff captured, and when you run through spectrographs, you can rule out, you can rule stuff out, you know, and a lot of times you'll get left with, the only thing that matches it would be like a howler monkey or something, or a gibbon, and then it goes out of range of that even.
00:16:13.000You know my favorite story is Les Stroud from Survivor.
00:17:11.000To him, it was a real animal, and he suspects that it's probably Bigfoot.
00:17:16.000And he's a guy that goes to these really remote places and stays for days and days, and I think he's got it in his head how there could be an animal like that that lives completely outside of human contact, and even in 2012 is yet to be discovered.
00:17:32.000It's just, this guy's story sounds like bullshit.
00:17:57.000I didn't actually see her playing with it, but the only daylight setting I ever had was the same day she was in the brush in that same spot, running around, and I could hear something huge running back and forth.
00:18:39.000Dr. Meldrum had set up for some cadaver dogs to the Smithsonian and stuff like that to come out.
00:18:43.000It was like a full, we had professional trackers and the cadaver people, we had two different sets of cadaver dogs.
00:18:49.000They wouldn't do it because, the funny part was the lady had done search and rescue up in the mountains with the dogs too, like body recoveries.
00:18:56.000She was certain that their Sasquatches lived there and it wasn't like, I don't want to do it, that's crazy, I don't want to be involved in something that's not real.
00:19:02.000She was like, if it is Sasquatch and my dog picks up with that scent and tracks it, it wouldn't ever track humans again.
00:19:11.000They only track one thing, those cadaver dogs.
00:19:49.000We were down, squatching on the Hickory Apache Reservation in New Mexico, and they had one come up on the porch, and the female dog, Pitbull, was guarding her puppy.
00:19:59.000They were like four-week, six-week-old puppies, and they were up on the side of my store.
00:20:04.000The kids were watching cartoons, getting ready for school, eating breakfast, and the thing walked up on their porch.
00:20:09.000And the dog was snarling and snapping and just walked up, lifted its leg and just crushed it, broke its back, like crushed it, and then stomped all the puppies and walked away.
00:23:42.000We talked to a Border Patrol agent, though, that was tracking some illegals coming across and saw Bigfoot down the mountains down in Arizona.
00:24:47.000Do they do the things that you guys do?
00:24:49.000That's one of the things I really enjoy about your show, is that when someone has a video that they think it's Bigfoot, what they do is they send Bobo out, and Bobo's always bigger.
00:25:42.000He was the real life dude, the fifth grade squad leader that shot their way out, like came out of that rescue house and came out and met up with them and then ran out front and shot his way out.
00:25:50.000Me and that guy were up there and it was where I saw, my only daylight sighting was right on Bluff Creek where that was filmed, the PG, the Patterson film was filmed.
00:26:39.000So it's like, you know what a lot of people don't realize is that like the parts per million that a dog can smell of a person is very similar to what you can smell from a skunk.
00:27:11.000And if we have a reaction to these things, some primordial reaction to these things, and that gland is just like a skunk gland, just like something that squirts out to us is really distinct.
00:27:52.000Because both these times there was not wind right then.
00:27:54.000And it just hung so thick, and it was like...
00:27:58.000Real musty, like a musk, and it was kind of sour, kind of sewage-y smell, like wet dog mix, like bear, like when a bear comes out in the spring when you smell bears when they come out of hibernation, like that kind of smell.
00:28:41.000So, I was with this cop and this probation officer guy, and then my buddy, I was all excited to go out with these guys, and I just brought a Gen 2 Ukrainian night scope.
00:28:53.000That's when night vision and all that stuff was super expensive.
00:28:56.000Nowadays, it would just be a piece of crap.
00:28:58.000You could probably buy one for $100, but...
00:29:00.000I never had one before, except for like little cheap, you know, big five ones.
00:29:04.000And I left it on the porch when I was packing my truck to go out.
00:29:07.000We were going to go squatching for a week.
00:29:58.000In hindsight, when we were logging up, they were like...
00:30:01.000Probably about seven years earlier, six years earlier, further down that ridge line, we'd been logging there one summer, and they'd come around as much, but I didn't realize what they were doing.
00:30:10.000I thought it was pot grower Indian dudes up there, because we were off the res, and there'd be knocks and whistles in the morning, and the Indian dudes wouldn't get out of the truck, but like, these dudes were like the baddest dudes on the res, like, no, I'd fuck with these guys.
00:30:21.000And like if someone's gonna, they'd confront whoever, like these dudes were gnarly, burly Indian lager dudes, and they would just sit in the truck and knock it out until the sun came up.
00:30:30.000Because we'd be up there sharpening our saws and stuff, getting ready, and just kind of stretching a little bit, and just getting ready for the day, and they wouldn't get out of the truck with those whistles and knocks, and they'd sit in the truck.
00:30:39.000So I'd been around, but didn't know it.
00:30:42.000And this time it was I was doing howls, and this thing came from the north.
00:30:46.000Now, when you say you were doing howls, for folks who haven't seen the show, you imitate, like, what you've heard in recordings and what you know they believe are primate howls that they attribute to Bigfoot.
00:30:57.000Yeah, so there's a bunch of those you can find on the internet.
00:31:01.000And I was doing those, and all of a sudden, I thought I heard a wolf howling back or, like, a wolf cross hybrid.
00:31:05.000My buddy used to have, you know, everyone used to have, like, a wild back, a seven-eighths wolf with, like, an eight husky.
00:31:12.000Yeah, I thought it was one of those things and it was coming down the ridge and it made some weird sounds like almost like more coyote kind of sound but it sounded then I'll just never forget it did kind of one that sounds sort of like mine but different it sounded way more primal and just gnarly and it just goes I just remember every hair in my body shot up.
00:31:32.000I just went, holy shit, I'm actually having a Bigfoot encounter.
00:31:35.000The thing that's been walking towards me at that point, it had been walking at me for probably 20 minutes.
00:31:40.000I could hear it coming closer and closer, and it was just so loud.
00:31:44.000I was looking down over the Klamath River.
00:31:48.000And when it came into the tree line, I was sitting in this meadow.
00:31:52.000There's a dirt road that runs along the top of the hill.
00:31:54.000And on the left side is Redwood National Park.
00:31:58.000And on the right side, it's Timberland.
00:32:00.000There's a few ranch inholdings, old family inholdings in there.
00:32:03.000And I was sitting up there and I was...
00:32:06.000This Indian woman, there's a little Indian village near this dirt road about 12 miles down, said she'd saw one.
00:32:12.000And when I was talking to my cop buddy, John Freitas, that day on the phone, he said, it was real, this is like cell phones in Humboldt back then were like real, unless you were right in the middle of town, didn't work too good.
00:32:21.000And I heard him say, yeah, May 21st, you know, a woman saw it run across the road, right?
00:32:27.000And I knew where she, because we logged up in there.
00:33:12.000This came in my 9 o'clock, and right when it did this craziest roar and snapped this tree from over here at 2 o'clock was this gnarly power knock just cracked.
00:33:20.000They'll take a branch or something and just bash a tree or a stump or whatever.
00:33:24.000We call them power knocks when they do that, or wood knocks when they're lighter, but just this full gnarly power knock.
00:34:20.000But I'd do it louder if we were outside.
00:34:21.000There was the videos that, or rather the audio recordings that some people have gotten of screams in the woods that they have identified as primate.
00:35:09.000It'll be bright outside, then they're in the shadows.
00:35:13.000People aren't using high quality gear.
00:35:14.000Because if you hadn't personally had an encounter At a certain point in time, you have to look at all these different people with their shitty photos and the things that don't really look like a Bigfoot.
00:35:24.000Well, there's a lot of hoaxers and crazy people.
00:37:12.000We deal with a lot of law enforcement people because they go out to rural residences, like break-ins, like when they're stealing chickens or freezers, like breaking their food.
00:38:14.000Like if that kind of officer said I was a trained professional.
00:38:18.000How many times have you been out on a show, though, where you're going with the witnesses and you go, man, I think this guy might be full of shit.
00:39:30.000I mean, if you were going to have a Coen Brothers movie and in it was going to be a plot line that involved a Bigfoot TV show, you guys would be perfectly cast.
00:39:40.000You know, you, Bobo, the Sasquatch expert, is always bigger than the video.
00:39:44.000Matt Moneymaker, the guy's name is Moneymaker.
00:39:57.000Well, he runs the BFRO. I don't know if you ever looked at that website.
00:40:01.000Bigfoot Field Researchers Organization.
00:40:03.000It's got like 50,000 sightings on it, whatever.
00:40:06.000And it was real hard to get in back then.
00:40:09.000And I was just like, whatever, fisherman, logger guy.
00:40:13.000Didn't have any credentials or anything like that.
00:40:15.000But I always went out, and I knew a lot of the natives out there, and I worked in the woods out there, and I spent time out there, and I talked to people, and I just needed to lay the land, so...
00:40:22.000I hooked up with this guy, John Freitas, and then I was like a volunteer, whatever, with the BFRO for a few years, and then in 2003, they were filming that show, Mysterious Encounters, on Outdoor Left Network.
00:40:34.000It was just one season, but Matt and Autumn were on it, and then I was on like three episodes with him.
00:40:40.000We were cruising around Northern Cal, and then he made me like a whatever investigator.
00:40:45.000You had to go through steps to be an investigator.
00:40:48.000You had to know what you were talking about, and Maybe now there's definitely people that are in the BFRO now.
00:40:53.000There's like several hundred people across the country.
00:40:55.000It's good because it's a broader net, but some of the people just don't have the Woods experience.
00:41:00.000Like when they go out there, they don't...
00:41:03.000People misidentify stuff all the time.
00:41:05.000A lot of the stuff I do when people tell me they're having Bigfoot action out there, you get out there and it's a bobcat in heat, or there's a barred owl moved in.
00:41:18.000Just stuff like that, or bear or whatever.
00:41:20.000But I'll say this, for all the times that people say they saw Bigfoot and it was a bear, I'll bet you there's way more times where people saw Bigfoot and go, I just saw a weird bear.
00:41:29.000Because their brain can't even process Bigfoot.
00:41:32.000Especially before the 60s, my buddy Scott McLean lives right down here in Santa Monica.
00:41:38.000He's putting a book out, and it's all like pre-1950 newspaper accounts.
00:41:42.000He's got like 1,500 of them from North America back to the 1700s of people reporting orangutans because it was before gorillas were discovered.
00:41:50.000Once gorillas were discovered, the description switched from orangutan to gorilla, or a wild man.
00:42:01.000Up in Humboldt, the loggers call them, since the 1800s, wood apes and brush apes.
00:42:09.000There's 130-something names up and down the West Coast with monkey or ape in the name, like Monkey Creek, Ape Canyon, Monkey Ridge, Ape Ridge.
00:43:09.000There's a few tribes like that, but most of them, though, there's still old people in charge.
00:43:12.000They listen to them about that kind of stuff, like cultural stuff.
00:43:15.000So the Sasquatch video, if that's their culture, that you would never be able to release a video of it?
00:43:24.000It's funny, because I've talked to some tribes where they said that it signifies the end of the world if Sasquatch is brought in, like captured.
00:43:35.000That life has gotten so crazy that someone caught a Bigfoot.
00:43:38.000Or, you know, brought in a body, whatever.
00:43:41.000Well, now this guy, who I think is full of shit, who's telling a story about shooting the baby, why wouldn't he just bring a piece of it with him?
00:44:36.000There's no direct chain of custody, but dude, you can't argue DNA. Well, if you really do say that the DNA has been mapped and it is some new hominid...
00:44:45.000Yeah, but isn't the woman crazy that the DNA... No, I didn't say that.
00:44:49.000Well, I mean, at least there's some controversy about it.
00:44:52.000There's some controversy about it, yeah.
00:44:53.000Well, if there's any controversy, just take it to like a regular DNA map.
00:45:06.000Melba, M-E-L-B-A, Ketchum, K-E-T-C-H-U-M. She has like DNA diagnostics down in Texas.
00:45:16.000But we went to a genetic lab recently with some hair from back when that whole thing, you know the video we told you about, the video where the 10-foot Bigfoot walks up to the dumpster?
00:45:56.000And this casino was near enough to that they'd come up there and they're real comfortable around natives because natives don't shoot at them very often.
00:46:03.000It's rare for a native to shoot at a squash.
00:48:56.000Then I started to do some logging jobs and Started meeting people in the community and worked with some natives and kind of got in more and more and just really started delving in it.
00:49:06.000Like if I heard about a report, I'd go check it out.
00:49:18.000And they'd say, yeah, I saw one one time.
00:49:20.000It was crazy how many people, you got in rural areas, how many people...
00:49:24.000And there's so much hard data for them.
00:49:27.000Where you look where the sightings are, it's generally 90 plus percent of the sightings, over 90 percent of the sightings are, you can follow, it's like you look at it where there's 20 inches of rainfall or more.
00:51:09.000And that was cast by a Deputy Hereford in Graves County, Washington...
00:51:13.000And when you say clear dermals, for folks who don't know, that's one of the most conclusive pieces of evidence for the people, the scientific community that support the idea of a giant primate, is dermal ridges that you have similar to fingerprints.
00:51:26.000You have those on the bottom of your foot, and these animals actually leave these in some of the tracks, which would be incredibly difficult to replicate.
00:51:37.000Dude, Jimmy Chilcutt, he taught at the FBI labs in Quantico, Virginia, like when you go through the academy.
00:51:44.000He's the latent fingerprint expert, blah, blah.
00:51:47.000Well, they were trying to see when they found just a gun in a murder scene, there's prints on it, and just no matches ever.
00:51:55.000He was the guy that used for 15 years.
00:51:57.000He went around and fingerprinted and footprinted every primate he could in zoos, research labs, and printed thousands of gorillas, orangutans, monkeys, chimpanzees, blah, blah, gibbons.
00:52:14.000So after all this time, it was because since they have a smaller gene pool and they don't interbreed, the idea was they were trying to see was there any pattern discernible to Asians or Africans or Europeans or Native Americans.
00:52:25.000If they just found a gun with a fingerprint, was there anything that would show what race it was?
00:52:55.000They'll say, no, this animal was born here.
00:52:57.000And he can go in and show the fingerprint spot.
00:52:59.000And so he studied the tracks, and this guy's put people away in over 400 capital cases.
00:53:04.000He was the expert witness where the evidence was fingerprints.
00:53:08.000And he went on Discovery Channel and said, I stake my professional reputation and name on that these are genuine.
00:53:15.000There's an undiscovered primate leaving these tracks.
00:53:18.000And people are saying, like, well, you just opened up, like, you know, yourself to, like, have, like, or these 400 convictions you've gotten, now the defense lawyers can say, this guy's crazy.
00:54:38.000I mean, these are real, legit, 100% real primates that are still, like, very, very controversial.
00:54:45.000It's still, there's a lot of people that didn't know they existed until the 90s, weren't sure until Carl Armand, who's a Swiss wildlife photographer.
00:54:55.000He got some evidence, some bones and some stuff, and then became obsessed with it and started going there.
00:55:01.000But he has camera trap photos of them.
00:56:35.000There's a lot of hair experts getting in on the hair, because I'm not sure exactly what it is, but it's something about the platelets where they line up.
00:56:42.000They've gotten better microscopes or something.
00:56:57.000There's just certain characteristics about Sasquatch hair.
00:57:00.000Every sample that's legitimate gets handed in, doesn't turn out to be a horse or a bear or whatever, but every sample that gets turned in has these same characteristics.
00:57:08.000There's a joint study going on with different experts in that field who are working around, from different countries even, that are all examining these hairs and marking these markers.
00:57:22.000You know what's really going to be interesting?
00:57:24.000When the skies are filled with drones, and those drones can take images of anything anywhere they want at any time, and they just fucking send them over the Pacific Northwest.
00:57:34.000They already kind of have that with everyone having cell phones.
00:57:36.000That's just the thing that I just don't understand.
00:57:38.000If there's so many people that see this, and there's still no photos.
00:58:10.000If there's been so many blood samples and hair samples, and they're all being tested, and they can't find out what this blood is, because it doesn't take that long for them to take blood and go, this is deer blood.
00:58:23.000So if they're all saying, hey, we don't know what this blood is, have they been giving out statements or press reports or stuff about this?
00:58:32.000Is there information out there about them saying, we don't know what this blood is?
00:58:36.000Yeah, there is, but the thing I understand is the science world is so political and so backstabbing and they're so afraid to do something unconventional because you just get barred in the field that they're real reticent to do stuff like that.
00:58:51.000But there are some that have, like Dr. Fehrenbach and some others that have.
00:58:57.000There's a lot of people that work in the Bigfoot field anonymously, like other scientists that collaborate with them, that just don't want to deal with any ridicule or not get promoted or whatever it may be.
00:59:08.000Yeah, I watched a documentary where a doctor, some sort of a professor at a university, was talking about the fact that even though he supports Bigfoot, he does it very reluctantly.
00:59:19.000He supports the idea that Bigfoot exists.
00:59:21.000He goes because, quite honestly, until one's discovered, until there's conclusive proof, he says it's just a point of ridicule.
01:00:09.000Well, there's some sort of a secret, ladies and gentlemen, that I can't share with you.
01:00:11.000It might be the answer to this whole crazy puzzle.
01:00:14.000It just would answer something a little bit.
01:00:18.000Well, they were pounding beers, and they just saw that warden guy, and they didn't want to, like...
01:00:26.000They had a drive to get back to camp, and the dude was afraid to get a DUI or something, because they were running out in the woods, just drinking beers, driving around, shooting off the track, whatever.
01:00:58.000Paul Freeman was the Mill Creek watershed up in the Blue Mountains of Northeast Oregon and Southeast Washington.
01:01:05.000There's this huge area like a lot of municipalities have their own water districts and they'll own like you know tens of thousands of acres of watershed land and you're not allowed up in there because it's the water so they don't want like diesel in it or anything and he was the patrol guy up in there and he was seeing Bigfoots find their tracks and actually seeing them in the daylight up there so he started carrying a video camera and he got footage of that and I'm 100% convinced that's real Brian pull that shit up Freeman Bigfoot footage This is from the 90s.
01:01:36.000Yeah, and then he has another clip that he wouldn't...
01:01:48.000He gets it real close to the big male, comes up at him like full gorilla-style charge, and he got footage of it, and he never released it because he looks so bad in it.
01:01:58.000You know, he got, you know, pissed his pants or something.
01:03:34.000What makes you convinced that that's real?
01:03:37.000Just like the size of it and the way it moves.
01:03:39.000People went back up there and said it was well over seven and a half feet tall, dude.
01:03:44.000I don't know where the comparison video is for it, but people did go up there, and then right after that, they ended up clear-cutting that whole thing and putting a campground right there.
01:04:07.000Roger Patterson footage, just because it's not as clear.
01:04:14.000The other thing about the Patterson-Gubbin film is the copies you're seeing on TV are, like, every time they make a clone copy, it loses, like, 30% up to 30% resolution.
01:04:24.000The original Patterson, the original footage piece, which no one knows where it is now, probably Al D'Atli has it, is really clearer.
01:05:12.000It's a pretty dicky move if it really was a Bigfoot, if it really was a video of a live Sasquatch and this motherfucker's running around pretending that he was a part of a hoax.
01:06:09.000And we were asking him about that, and he said, you know, the way the questioning was going, he was just getting badgered with it.
01:06:16.000He said, like, there's always a possibility you could be hooked, but he's like, I know what I saw.
01:06:20.000The thing was, I was looking at an eye level for my horse.
01:06:24.000When they rode their, there's B-roll footage, you know, they ride the horse next to the tracks, and the horse prints are not going as deep as those footprints.
01:06:57.000Sometimes, like, we've seen, like, some evidence where they've, um, where the elk, they'll flesh deer or elk out of a meadow, they'll come running, they'll take the same routes every time, and one will be, like, one will roar at one side.
01:07:08.000Like, hunters have said they've been up, you know, bow hunters creeping up on a, on a little herd in a meadow or something, and all of a sudden they'll just god-awful roar, scream, come from one side.
01:07:17.000They all run to the other side, and they're like, whack, you know, and, You've seen like where they'll just take a club and as the deer go running by, just club them in the front legs and shatter their front legs and then go over and break.
01:07:49.000Like, I've heard so many stories, like, dude, not from people that are, like, trying to bullshit me, like, you know, just people telling what they saw.
01:07:54.000And then, you know, obviously there's some people that, you know, that guy's full of shit or whatever, but I'm talking like genuine people that you're talking to just going like, this guy's not shitting me.
01:11:03.000And it was walking, and then the moon was just about to hit the field.
01:11:07.000It was an old alfalfa field this guy had and he would plant it but the deer and elk were so thick up there he just gave up and let them eat it.
01:11:14.000He just quit farming it and there's just alfalfa growing for like 100 acres.
01:11:19.000And so this thing walked back across the field as the moonlight was coming down.
01:14:22.000They've actually found some of the original trees that were back behind.
01:14:25.000There's been so much regrowth that these guys...
01:14:28.000This guy, he's the State Park Ranger, like the ranger cop up there for Humboldt Redwoods.
01:14:33.000Him, Robert Letterman, then another guy, Steve Strupert, the guy that owns Bigfoot Books there in Willow Creek, spent two years going out there and going over the site and finding, and they actually found some of the original trees that are obscured.
01:14:45.000You can't see them from the creek anymore because it's been 43 years or whatever, 45. And they're all grown up and...
01:14:54.000They found trees in the background that were in the original PG film.
01:14:56.000So we're going to go in there and with all this 3D laser scanning stuff, they're going to be able to get a three-dimensional view of the whole creek.
01:15:07.000Go back in, plug in the PG film, overlay it, and they'll get a three-dimensional to a half inch how big the subject in the film is.
01:16:51.000How many do you think are alive, if you had a guess?
01:16:55.000Well, we're going to start getting some hard evidence on that due to the DNA samples, but...
01:17:01.000I would say there can't, people say there's got to be at least 2,000 just to have as many as there are around, in North America, and you're talking Canada, and Canada's big too.
01:17:09.000I'd say, my guess would be probably 4,000 to 6,000 in North America.
01:17:14.000How the fuck are there 4,000 to 6,000 things and no one has a good chance?
01:18:08.000We need to find out where the fuck those caves are, dig them up and find some Bigfoot bones.
01:18:11.000That's what we were going to do with those cadaver dogs, because we knew if that was the male that was shot, because the rumor going around is it was the mom, but the DNA shows it was a male, it was the father.
01:20:04.000But they looked for that Bengal tiger for three weeks right off the freeway between Malibu and the valley and couldn't find it until it walked up to somebody's backyard and was staring at her poodle.
01:20:15.000Dude, what a fucking terrifying look that must have been.
01:20:19.000Looking for a giant Bengal tiger that hasn't eaten in a week.
01:21:01.000It's some kind of upright orangutan that walks on two feet, it's about a meter tall or so, but up to like 200, like maybe three, three and a half feet tall, but 200 pounds, ball of muscle.
01:21:58.000I used to do a bit about it in my act.
01:22:01.000There was a boat, and I forget how many guys were in the boat, but this tiger swam out to the boat three times, killed three fucking people before it got tired of doing it.
01:22:13.000Swam out, climbed in the boat, killed a guy, dragged his body to shore, jumped back in the water, swam out to the boat, killed another guy, and they're just rowing like a motherfucker trying to get away from this thing.
01:23:08.000When you talk to the natives, my thing was always going to the tribes and talking to as many elders as I could.
01:23:14.000Most of them, it's changing now more and more.
01:23:16.000A lot of the elders that talk to me now say the kids today, they're all into hip-hop, NBA, don't give a shit about any of the traditions or the stories or the knowledge.
01:23:40.000But what you hear is you'll hear all these things like, well, my grandma was around, they used to do this or they used to do that.
01:23:44.000But the one thing that they still do up and down the whole Pacific Coast, from California to Alaska, is you talk to any of those net pullers when they put the gill nets across the rivers, when they pull the nets, and if they don't put a salmon up on the other bank for the squash, it'll come down and throw rocks at them or pull the net in and take all the fish.
01:24:03.000Well, what they should do then is do that and then bring cameras.
01:24:08.000Don't leave them any salmon and bring cameras and boom, you got Sasquatch.
01:26:35.000You know, they just aired it, I think, the Vietnam episode, and our team's going to go there because the thing ran past the cameraman at the base camp, ran right by him on the side, like a big eight-footer, and they got four good footprint casts because it stepped in mud in a couple spots.
01:27:33.000They found several footprints and they also caught something on thermal imaging that might have been a bipedal creature.
01:27:41.000It says, however, in the end, Gates couldn't be sure that they found evidence of a batutut, which led some viewers to vent their frustrations on Twitter.
01:27:55.000Well, people vent their frustrations on Twitter no matter what you do.
01:27:59.000I don't even want to read Twitter after all the what-ifs that we've thrown in today on the Bigfoot front.
01:28:26.000It's just, you know, it's like, you know.
01:28:28.000You must get tired of people saying that you're crazy, Bigfoot's fake.
01:28:31.000Because, like, I said that I was going to talk to you about this today because all my life, like I've said, I've read so many books on Bigfoot.
01:29:15.000And so when people go, well, I think this, and I'll assume they're happening.
01:29:18.000Like, they just thought of it in five minutes.
01:29:19.000And it's like, well, that's like me going to some, like, you know, astrophysicist guy that's in a lab with, you know, a giant telescope looking up, you know, a 30-foot telescope looking at the stars studying, you know, he's got a PhD in astronomy.
01:29:33.000And I go, I think the moon's made of cheese.
01:33:51.000That's why they say we don't have them because they don't want to have to deal with them.
01:33:54.000But with Bigfoot, I think it was more just...
01:33:57.000What's really going to be interesting when it comes out there real here soon is going to be the whole...
01:34:02.000I think there's going to be a lot of PhD students write papers on this and psychiatrists and psychologists are going to write books on this and On how these things, there's all this evidence and stories and just everything right there in front of you and people refuse to acknowledge it.
01:34:17.000Well, I think one of the reasons why they refuse to acknowledge it is what we've talked about before.
01:34:39.000There's a lot of people that are full of shit when it comes to those stories.
01:34:42.000Because those are like fun stories to bring up.
01:34:45.000If people say they saw a crocodile, I genuinely believe them.
01:34:49.000When you start saying you saw some shit that's in the cryptic realm, man, you might have seen it, but it also might be that you're one of those crazy fucks that likes to pretend you saw something awesome.
01:34:59.000You talk to those people long enough and it becomes apparent that's what's going on.
01:35:02.000See, I wish I was on your show then, because I'm way better at that than most people.
01:35:05.000I'm really good at sniffing out bullshit.
01:37:04.000You know, I think if you lived out in the woods and you lived in a rural community where there are Bigfoots around and you've talked to so many people, like, dude.
01:37:10.000Dude, I like Bigfoot so much, I thought of buying land in the Pacific Northwest just to live in the summers with hope of seeing a Bigfoot.
01:37:39.000If you live somewhere in the Pacific Northwest in an area where there's heavy-duty Bigfoot sightings, Just fucking set up cameras everywhere.
01:37:47.000Everywhere and every day you go and check those cameras.
01:37:50.000Well, that's what the Olympic Project is going on right now.
01:37:53.000One of the best pieces of DNA from the Olympic Project is this weird looking Bigfoot.
01:38:25.000I was on this crazy Squatch adventure like probably 2002, 2001, 2002. And this guy bought property that had been abandoned for 11 years and the Squatches were living on the property.
01:39:45.000So the Olympic Project says they have the researchers in the Olympic Mountain Range in Washington State.
01:39:51.000The Olympic Project is a comprehensive systematic camera trap program consisting of 50 plus cameras placed along predatory travel routes through the Olympic Mountains.
01:40:01.000Our primary focus is to obtain a series of crystal clear photographs of Sasquatch in their natural environment.
01:40:06.000So, so far it says they haven't gotten anything.
01:41:35.000They'll turn, flip them around backwards.
01:41:37.000I put up camera traps for my, they walked into a camp one night I was in, and I had the cameras all hidden like in tall grass and stuff, and They're all pushed down.
01:41:45.000All of them were pushed down so that the lens was facing the ground.
01:43:01.000They've done all this analyzation on that, and that hair pattern, the striation patterns on that, and the, that's like seven, that thing's like seven feet off the ground.
01:46:29.000When we were in Australia, we'd always heard that Yowie's were different than, that's what they call them, the Aboriginals in Australia call them Yowie's.
01:46:36.000We'd always heard Yowie's were different than Bigfoots.
01:46:38.000When we were down there, we found out they're Bigfoots, man.
01:47:01.000And what people describe, there's a little, like, you know, maybe the difference between, like, a European gray wolf and a North American gray wolf.
01:47:15.000Yeah, but they did a three-year study on wolverines.
01:47:20.000All those wolverines you see on shows are in wildlife parks.
01:47:25.000They've been like babies that were captured when their mother got killed or whatever.
01:47:28.000But they did a three-year study, millions of dollars spent on this, and the only footage they got was from like 400 to 500 yards away on a snow field of a wolverine going away.
01:47:38.000And that was a well-equipped, professionally funded, looking for a known animal, and they got one clip in three years.
01:47:47.000They didn't get any footage of snow leopards until like 2007. Do you think that people just underestimate the amount of actual forest there is in this country?
01:48:13.000I've been with Squatchers and stuff that have said like, yeah, I had my camera around my neck or I was holding it and I saw it and it looked at me and they just shit their pants and froze.
01:48:22.000And even after the thing was gone, they didn't even take a picture until it was gone.
01:48:27.000Yeah, I'm looking at this Canadian, the new Canadian Bigfoot footage.
01:48:31.000Is it the one on the side of the road?
01:49:10.000Like, one of the witnesses got really mad that I, you know, I was just joking around, like, man, that's some hillbilly shit there, you know, and he got real offended and was like...
01:53:01.000You know more than anybody, which is probably why you're so crazy about doing it.
01:53:05.000Well, I'm saying you know more than the average person, for sure, and even more than the average person researching it because you've seen it.
01:53:13.000How many researchers haven't seen anything?
01:53:15.000Has the chick on the show ever seen anything?
01:53:29.000She said it looked like it was tall and there was like an arm.
01:53:35.000And she's like, well, it could have been a bear walking upright or it could have been a bear that was just starting to drop down as it was running, like picking up speed on two legs, getting ready to drop down.
01:55:39.000And it was going from, like, it would clear up and get really cold and it would, like, kind of cloud back up and then get a little bit warmer.
01:56:38.000So, but we do have a guy that's going out with us now that has the parabolic, and he's, you know, but you have to be pointed, like, if it's coming from right there and you're pointed here, you might not get it.
01:57:25.000But they always show us going, is that a squash or something like that?
01:57:28.000And they never show, like, where we go, like, you know, after we hear it again going, oh, that was a coyote, or that was a bear, or whatever it was.
01:58:09.000So when you go out there, how many, like if you take a hundred trips, how many trips do you hear something or see some footprint or something?
01:58:56.000I was walking back out of the same place, and it was a big rainstorm, and Cliff, the guy on the show with me, the other guy Cliff, this guy Wally, he invented the ACDC adapter.
01:59:05.000He's this billionaire guy that was funding us, buying us equipment, and Cliff had just fried his recording unit, like a $1,500 unit in the rain.
01:59:18.000Even though he's a billionaire guy, he's a frugal guy.
01:59:21.000Like, hey, you guys can't be frying stuff out in the rain.
01:59:23.000If it's raining, just put the stuff away, you know?
01:59:25.000So I was walking back out, and to run the thermal, it has a waterproof flap, you have to open that, stick in a cord that goes to a recording unit.
01:59:35.000Now we have built-in recorders with the thermal.
01:59:38.000But then we did, and I was walking back out, and I got back down where we'd seen it three weeks before, and there hadn't been a peep all night, and usually all the action happens way back up where I was coming from, and I had walked A few miles, my truck was parked right off the highway next to some houses.
01:59:54.000And the thing ran, it was just standing behind my truck.
01:59:57.000And if I had filmed it, it would be clear-cut.
02:00:00.000Like, no, it was way taller than the back of my truck.
02:00:03.000I mean, I have a shell that's about this high, and it was above the shell.
02:00:07.000So when I filmed it, well, I didn't film it, but when I looked at it, right when I pulled my thermo out of my pocket, I'm looking at it.
02:00:14.000And there's big water drops coming down.
02:00:16.000So it went blurry really quick, what I was looking at.
02:02:17.000And we thought it was going to be game over.
02:02:21.000Because I'd heard them so many times around me come up and growl and snap branches and stomp their feet walking around on two feet and stuff like that that...
02:02:28.000I just thought, with a thermal, it's going to be...
02:02:54.000You've never seen their eyes up close though, right?
02:02:56.000The only thing I've seen in their eyes, the one I saw in the daylight, the eye, the way the sun was coming down, its eye was so deep set and its brow was out so far, I couldn't see that.
02:03:04.000I remember that was one thing that struck me because it was that quick.
02:03:07.000But the one thing I remember really clearly was the hair was real shiny.
02:06:47.000He saw one in Papua New Guinea at 9,000 feet doing a bird survey for the UN back in the 70s.
02:06:56.000They're seen in islands too, which is pretty trippy.
02:07:00.000Well, in 2004, if you ask any anthropologist how many hominids like us, you know, like Homo branch, like Homo erectus, was alive 30,000 years ago, the answer would have been two, Neanderthal, Homo sapien.
02:07:17.000You know, it's the hobbits, and then they found that new kind of Neanderthal, what do they call it, Desanova, or the one up in Russia they found two years ago.
02:07:26.000And they got the DNA out of a giant knuckle bone.
02:07:28.000The knuckle bone's like twice as big as a human.
02:08:58.000Like the one picture where it's sitting there on a rock looking over...
02:09:01.000No, the Neanderthal that looks like a gorilla, besides the guy's idea that they weren't, they didn't look like us, they had black skin like a gorilla, and they were really scary and muscular, and they fed on people, and they were like a super predator.
02:09:13.000He's already got, that theory's been refuted.
02:10:32.000He's about 85, 86. He was on those original expeditions in the 50s.
02:10:37.000He's still involved in Bigfoot research.
02:10:39.000But there's two stories, and I'm not sure how they crossed, but they replaced the stuff that was out that people could look at with goat skins and just sewed it like the Yeti.
02:10:52.000But they actually kept the Yeti scalp in like a sacred box.
02:10:57.000And the other story is that, you know who was a big part of this was Jimmy, God, you know, Mr. Smith Goes to Washington, Jimmy Stewart.
02:13:06.000Bernard Huberman, who was like one of the top anthropologists in the world, studied that thing pretty close and he staked his whole reputation that it was real.
02:13:24.000Because the power went out one time, and the ice started melting that it was in, and they said a distinct rotten meat odor smell was coming out, like rotten flesh.
02:13:36.000Now, what do they think, if they think that the end of turtles are real?
02:15:48.000If you're talking about a cryptid species, that has nothing to do with it.
02:15:52.000Those guys, you got three billion genomes in your DNA strand, and when they go to court, they just have to line up like seven, seven of those, like certain markers to get a conviction, right?
02:19:19.000And it would be the same photo, but with different texts, but there's awesome ones of you, where it's like, that's a tree, this seems squatchy.
02:26:03.000I'd been hit in the face with crab blocks and surfboards and pool cues, stuff like that.
02:26:09.000So I had all these cracked teeth and stuff so I was going to get them all fixed.
02:26:11.000They wanted like 23 grand in the States.
02:26:14.000So I'm going down there, I stop and see my buddy, he's a Mexican dude, he's all, oh, my fiance's uncle is a dentist down there.
02:26:20.000He's got like, yeah, it's a cheaper clinic, you know, it's just like, like there's, there wasn't even electricity when I went there like the first day, you know.
02:26:27.000He hadn't been practicing because he got a liver transplant, he used to be a partier.
02:26:31.000And we go down there and like, we're doing all this work and after the second day I'm in the chair for like eight hours.
02:26:40.000He's like, we gotta go look at pretty girls.
02:28:01.000And so we go back to the States, because we were just going to cross the border every day, and he never comes home, and the family thinks I kidnapped him, that I'm part of a kidnapping, because they looked at me and thought, like, sketchy.
02:28:12.000So I'm getting accused of kidnapping this old man.
02:28:24.000And, um, I was like, I was saying, well, I just got, and I was covering for the guy, you know, going like, well, I don't want to say the guy's split with a hooker, you know?