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00:01:03.000Well, if you look at, like, Sumerian text, all the old, the most ancient languages, it was a symbol, a bunch of, a series of the same symbols.
00:01:36.000Any way, Audible.com is a great resource for any audiobooks, and there's some that you can get from our friends that have been on the podcast for, like Bobcat Goldwaite.
00:01:46.000He's got a great audiobook called, I Don't Mean to Insult You, But You Look Like Bobcat Goldwaite.
00:01:52.000And it's narrated by him, so it's got to be awesome.
00:05:34.000And they just notice that when they eat this certain caterpillar that has this funky smell to it, maybe, that's the cordyceps mushrooms on the caterpillar?
00:07:25.000I want to be able to get strength and conditioning done quickly.
00:07:29.000So for me, doing the whole body like as one big motion like that, you know, like kettlebell type stuff or cleaning jerks, you know, that to me is like, feels like the stuff that translates the most to real world strength.
00:07:42.000Yeah, and it shouldn't take you that long too.
00:07:44.000And you see a lot of people spend, particularly in the fighting scene, spending too much time in the gym and not enough time just refining skill set.
00:07:50.000They get to a point where they think that conditioning is the end all be all.
00:07:54.000Until you fight a guy who's got great skill and conditioning.
00:07:57.000And then you realize, well, nah, I fucked myself because I spent too many days running up hills and not enough days working on my head movement.
00:08:05.000That has nothing to do with kettlebells.
00:08:09.000And or battle ropes, which are for sale at Onnit.com.
00:08:49.000But there are certain nutrients that have been proven and shown in tests to have a positive effect on your mental clarity, your ability to solve problems, your ability to See things, like a recent ingredient in AlphaBrain, I don't even remember the name of this shit.
00:10:35.000How did you figure out what so many before hadn't?
00:10:40.000Well, you know, I've got to give a bunch of credit to my professor, Loren Cordain, because he's the guy that did a ton of the research really early on.
00:10:48.000So almost 15 years ago, further back than that, I was a California State powerlifting champion.
00:10:55.000I was totally into athletics and all that.
00:10:58.000And always trying to figure out what's the best way to fuel my body, like looking for better performance.
00:11:02.000And I tried a high-carb, low-fat, vegan diet.
00:11:05.000And I went from 185 pounds, able to back squat almost 600 pounds, down to 135 pounds, and like sick.
00:11:14.000I had all kinds of gut problems, ulcerative colitis, irritable bowel, like all kinds of poop-related stuff.
00:11:19.000And this idea of the paleo diet just...
00:11:23.000It was kind of weird how it got onto my radar, but I was kind of thinking, okay, these Neolithic foods, grains, legumes, and dairy, seem to have some problems for us with regards to health.
00:11:33.000And so I started eating that way, and then I was a research biochemist at the time doing lipid metabolism research related to cancer and autoimmune disease.
00:11:41.000So I was able to experiment on myself and then also do some research And that's how I, you know, this whole kind of evolutionary biology thing got on my radar and opened a gym, started, you know, using this with our clients.
00:11:55.000Our gym made Men's Health Top 30 Gyms in America within a couple of years.
00:11:59.000And then the book has been on the bestseller list for like two years.
00:12:03.000And like there's been no marketing budget, nothing other than just like word of mouth.
00:12:08.000People buy the book, they get benefit, and then they, you know, they just go from there.
00:13:01.000Or are there some different body types that would enjoy a different diet?
00:13:06.000Or do you think that's the optimum diet just for human beings?
00:13:09.000I think it's good for everybody, but within that, some guys are going to do pretty well on low carb, other people are going to bonk, and they're going to do terribly.
00:13:17.000Just for the total layman, when it comes down to nutrition, explain to people exactly what it means, the Paleo diet.
00:13:24.000It means what people ate essentially during the Paleolithic period?
00:13:27.000Yeah, and this is a period of time when we really changed from the previous ancestors when you look in the anthropological record.
00:13:34.000And when you look at our genetics, it's pretty darn similar to what the people were living during the Paleolithic time.
00:13:42.000And we can kind of verify that with different, like there's this place, the Max Planck Institute of Evolutionary Genetics in Leipzig, Germany, you know, and they do all the kind of scientific validation of this stuff.
00:13:52.000But, you know, at Brasstacks, really, it's talking about eating lots of fruits and vegetables, roots and tubers, lean meats, and kind of steering away from grains, legumes, and dairy.
00:14:03.000These newer foods that, for a lot of people, cause a lot of problems.
00:14:07.000That's a fascinating thing when you think about it, how our technology and our ability to process food and grow food and store food has evolved much faster than the body is capable of doing on its own.
00:14:21.000It's kind of a fascinating thing with human beings, is that we essentially have the same bodies that cavemen did, but we have all this new stuff that we've sort of added to the mix, and we haven't really figured out what the long-term effects of this are.
00:14:36.000Yeah, and you know, everything from sleep, like if you start doing some Googling around on like sleep and health, sleep and diabetes, you know, we don't sleep the way that we used to.
00:14:45.000We used to, the sun went down and we went down.
00:14:47.000You know, the sun comes up, we get up.
00:14:49.000Now we have this extended photo period.
00:14:51.000We have light on us all the time and it messes with our circadian rhythm, the way that we release melatonin, the way that we heal.
00:14:58.000So, you know, the whole lifestyle package, exercise, nutrition, The lifestyle, the way that we don't really interact with a social group the way that, you know, it's kind of wired in.
00:15:08.000I think that that's why things like CrossFit, different gyms, different social networks are really valuable for people.
00:15:14.000Because we live in a, you know, we're tribal in our DNA. Like, we see that out.
00:15:18.000And if you don't have it, it fucks with you.
00:15:47.000It is fascinating how our needs are essentially the same, but wow, have we done a crazy job of changing our environment in such a short period of time.
00:15:57.000It's almost like we just really can't keep up with that.
00:16:00.000What we've been able to do, our body just can't keep up with it.
00:16:21.000Your genetic ancestry, you might be able to deal with, you know, high fructose corn syrup or something a little bit better than somebody else that's maybe like Native American or African American because their ancestry is just young enough with regards to being exposed to this modern environment that they don't cope with it.
00:16:40.000Like it's that much more damaging to them.
00:16:47.000What about like ingredients of processed foods?
00:16:50.000What are the long-term negative effects of, you know, you hear that processed foods are bad for people.
00:16:55.000What are the long-term effects of eating something that has so much preservatives in it that it can just sit around?
00:17:01.000You know, you just look around and you look at like the diabetes epidemic and, you know, autism spectrum accelerating.
00:17:11.000It's just everything from cancer, diabetes, heart disease, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's.
00:17:15.000All of this is related to this process called inflammation.
00:17:18.000And inflammation is kind of an overactivity of the immune response.
00:17:21.000And interesting with the Cordyceps product, it actually modulates the immune response.
00:17:26.000It makes the immune system do what it's supposed to do.
00:17:28.000Whether you're under stress or exercising or whatever, and that's kind of the benefit of that stuff.
00:17:33.000And the negative part of the way that we're living, we don't get enough sleep, we eat the wrong types of foods, we don't really exercise enough, and all of that kind of sends a weird signal to our immune system, and it tends to make you diabetic, or it can make you autoimmune, or it can accelerate things like Parkinson's and Alzheimer's.
00:17:48.000So, you know, we're facing, there's some projections, and this is from like, you know, governmental agencies or as orthodox as it gets.
00:17:57.000We're looking at by like 2030 that, you know, we're going to have a 300% of GDP being allocated to our debt, and then most of that being allocated to healthcare.
00:18:41.000There's a bunch of food chemists that put all their kids through school by figuring out there's this thing called palatability.
00:18:46.000And if you can make something hyperpalatable, like it tastes so good...
00:18:52.000Then you actually override the mechanisms in the brain that normally tell you I'm full.
00:18:56.000Like if you sit down and eat some chicken and some fruit and like some yams, you'll eat until you're full and you're done and you're not gonna get up and you know dust another plate of that.
00:19:06.000But when you tinker with these foods and you make them really crunchy, you add some salt, you add some high fructose corn syrup, these things become hyper palatable and it turns off the part of the brain that tells you I'm full and it would be like You know, you're filling up your gas at the gas station, and if you turn off the mechanism to know when the gas tank is full, it's kind of the same analogy, like you just keep pumping stuff in there and you have a disaster brewing.
00:19:28.000How much does someone get to be like 700 pounds?
00:19:32.000And you see these people that have to get cut out of their houses.
00:19:34.000Is that even possible without processed foods?
00:21:02.000I guess you would have to eat insane amounts of like regular good healthy food to get that big.
00:21:07.000And you know it's that thing again where like you just you get full from real food so it's really hard to overeat it but if you have something that turns off literally the mechanism in your brain that says I'm full like if that never kicks in then you can just keep going and going.
00:22:54.000So many people spend like $30,000 on a car and they're in it for like 10 minutes to go to work back and forth But you're in your bed half of your life, and people buy an $800 mattress with springs going up your ass and stuff like that.
00:26:32.000People will say, I only need like five or six hours of sleep.
00:26:36.000And then inevitably, if they put up some blackout curtains, if they turn off all the lights and they actually get in an environment that's good for sleeping, then they're like, you know, ninja blow dart.
00:26:46.000They're out for like 14 hours the first time you do it.
00:26:49.000And then they start getting caught up on their sleep.
00:26:51.000And these people that usually think they can get by on like 5 or 6, they discover they're like, okay, yeah, I feel way better on 8 to 10. I mean, it's a lot of time.
00:27:00.000There's a lot of other shit you could be doing, but you just don't do it as well when you don't sleep.
00:27:44.000You know, that's what they always said about Japanese fighters, that the problem they had in America, like, Phil Barone actually told me this.
00:28:02.000It's like you're fighting then when you would normally be asleep.
00:28:05.000And it takes weeks for all that to kind of get shifted around.
00:28:09.000And once you, you know, you do that travel, say you go from Japan to here, you go from here to Europe, your testosterone levels drop, your inflammation goes up, your immune system goes down.
00:28:19.000And it's going to stay that way for a while because it's a stress.
00:28:22.000It's like the same way that working out or working too much is a stress on your system.
00:28:27.000It's going to drop all of your recovery capacity.
00:28:32.000Yeah, it's that internal clock that kind of gets tied into the sunlight and all that stuff.
00:28:40.000All your hormones, neurotransmitters, the way your gut functions, everything is tied into these internal clocks.
00:28:47.000So if a fighter wanted to acclimate when he came to somewhere he was going to fight, should he go there at the beginning of his training camp and never leave?
00:29:02.000I wouldn't travel more than three hours if you had control.
00:29:05.000Like, if you have a well-established fighter, if they need to travel more than three hours and, you know, three time zone changes, then I would really recommend, you know, the camp at least a couple of weeks beforehand gets moved, but possibly from the beginning so that you've got the continuity.
00:29:52.000And you sound like a nutcase recommending this, but it's kind of like my greasy used car salesman pitch is like, dude, sleep more.
00:30:00.000Whether it's clients trying to lean out or somebody trying to get better performance for fighting.
00:30:04.000We had a girl that missed Olympic trials for the 2,000-meter row by a hundredth of a second.
00:30:11.000And when you're at that level where she didn't go to the Olympics by one one-hundredth of a second, you need all your I's dotted and T's crossed.
00:30:21.000She sleeps well, she eats paleo, she does all this stuff, but she still got edged out.
00:30:59.000Because if I shit the bed on something, there's the whole part of me doing something wrong and then feeling guilty for it and then wanting to kill me.
00:31:06.000And then there's the other side where you're investing hugely in this person.
00:31:09.000And if they don't comply with what I want them to do, I want to kill them.
00:31:12.000Because I know how important this stuff is.
00:31:15.000And if they're like, I'm going to go out and drink anyway or I'm going to work on some other projects.
00:33:05.000You've got somebody ideally taking care of the financial side of your life and everything so that you can just focus on that one thing.
00:33:11.000And you've got to put all of those pieces in play.
00:33:14.000Yeah, and especially when you're thinking about fighting where the consequences are so much greater than the one one-hundredth of a second in rowing.
00:33:29.000But when someone, that one one-hundredth of a second is someone connecting or, you know, spotting your punch, getting out of the way just in time and countering you, and you get knocked out.
00:33:39.000Then it becomes even more crazy and even more obsessive.
00:33:48.000And then just more kind of internet coaching, you know, trying to Folks have come to me when people weren't recovering, they were starting to get a ton of soft tissue injuries, bad sleep started popping up, you know, like they started getting some depression during training camp and everything and so looking at the diet, looking at lifestyle factors and I mean It all boils down to the same thing, though.
00:34:12.000A clean diet, obviously I'm going to gear more towards a paleo gig.
00:34:17.000Protecting the sleep area at gunpoint.
00:34:21.000People sleep eight to ten hours if you have to kill somebody.
00:34:26.000And then just kind of a mellow lifestyle outside the rest of that to the best of your ability to construct that.
00:34:32.000I mean, it's 50% of your recovery probably is having that sleep.
00:34:36.000So you can go in and train really hard and then go home and not sleep and you don't get really any of the benefit from the training session, even if you're working skills.
00:34:43.000Say you're working a bunch of head movement and stuff like that.
00:34:46.000That is all a skill that needs to go from one part of your brain to another.
00:34:50.000It goes from short-term memory to long-term memory and starts getting You know, woven into like your brainstem.
00:35:06.000So it's like if you're going to spend the time to do it, there's a great book, another good dude you should have on that wrote The Talent Code.
00:35:12.000And talking about like needing really good repetitions and like 10,000 repetitions in something like playing violin or learning, you know, quick draw shooting and stuff like that.
00:35:22.000You want to do it perfect and then you need a good environment for that stuff to kind of cook in the brain and actually become a part of your person, part of the motor memory.
00:35:30.000So it's a huge part of the game that people are just kind of, again, shitting the bed on.
00:35:36.000You see so many people work so hard, but they almost work too hard, and then they don't give enough credence to the rest because it's like, oh, that's being lazy.
00:36:18.000I mean, just the weight cutting alone, the fact that they have to be miserable and malnourished and dehydrated in training.
00:36:25.000It's really hard, but that's not the way to do it, right?
00:36:28.000If you want optimum performance, it's great that it makes them so tough, but if you really want to take care of the body, that is so not the way to do it.
00:36:36.000Yeah, I mean, staying in close to contest shape year-round, kicking your heels up a little bit, but the thing is that when people go so extreme, then when they're off-season, they gain 30 pounds of weight, and it's all hookers and cocaine.
00:37:28.000And for a lot of people, it's like when you attain a certain level, then you drop off drastically.
00:37:33.000And then it's all about getting your body back in shape.
00:37:37.000Like guys who get really big in between fights, like you know that those guys, like that's not the same level of commitment as say an Anderson Silva or George St. Pierre.
00:37:56.000And so even though they're still obviously moving a lot of scale weight to make weigh-ins, it's not as dramatic a shift.
00:38:03.000And just like when we travel, whenever you change these internal kind of signaling, the biological signaling, when you fly You know, from six time zones or eight time zones, that messes with your sleep.
00:38:15.000If you are taking your body and forcing it to shed a bunch of weight very, very rapidly because you got out of shape, then it's more of a stress and it drops testosterone.
00:38:27.000So staying as close as you can, you know, obviously like you want to be as big and strong and muscular as you can at any given body weight.
00:38:35.000But within striking distance, being able to go down and make weight when you need to make it.
00:38:39.000When you see guys, I don't know how aware you are, there's some crazy weight cutters out there.
00:39:01.000Yeah, and I mean, there's some science to it.
00:39:03.000You need somebody there with your IVs and all the rest of it.
00:39:07.000But holy shit, what a nutty idea, the fact that you're almost dead 24 hours before you have a cage fight.
00:39:13.000Yeah, you know, I think it'd be cool to just see it almost like Jits, where you show up and you step on the scale and you weigh what you weigh and then it just goes.
00:39:23.000Yeah, I would like to see that too, but you can't do that if you have contracts.
00:40:21.000Does the IV dehydrate, when they rehydrate with IVs, does it replenish the brain as well?
00:40:26.000Well, it replenishes everything, but I mean, the body's in a pretty rough state by that point, so I mean, it's 24 hours you can bounce back pretty good, and particularly, you know, like you said, with wrestlers, they've been used to pulling their body up and down like that, so they're a little bit more acclimatized to it, but it's rough.
00:40:48.000I mean, if you're not supposed to get drunk while you're in training camp and you eat clean and everything like that, and then you do something way worse than getting drunk, you get crazy dehydrated.
00:41:00.000I've seen guys shuffling to the scale because they can't pick their feet up.
00:41:28.000I mean, there's got to be a way to find people that are really the same size and just make some sort of an honorable agreement to never get over a certain weight.
00:41:40.000You know, in some ways I think it would be more exciting fighting because a lot of the fatigue that I see set in in folks, it's probably the weight cut.
00:41:48.000Oh, well, you saw like Chris Weidman and Damian Maia.
00:41:51.000I don't know if you saw that, but it was on Fox.
00:41:52.000Well, Damian Maia really just couldn't do anything with Weidman, and Weidman was way too tired from the weight cut because he took the fight on really short notice.
00:42:00.000So the guy had to cut some insane amount of weight the day before.
00:42:03.000And that's what they kept saying to him.
00:42:04.000I saw what you did yesterday when you made weight.
00:45:33.000It does, but I mean, 24 hours is a pretty good period.
00:45:38.000And I'm not super up on this, but you could take somebody who's extremely dehydrated 24 hours later.
00:45:43.000They're pretty good, but they're still after effects.
00:45:45.000You know, I think you could probably find things in blood work that a week later, you know, like if you just shrink wrap a guy down, like you do the usual, you know, like 20-pound weight cut that you see in a lot of these fighters for like a 200-pound guy or something, 10% or more of body weight, I bet we could see things in their blood work a week later.
00:46:03.000Like they don't fight, they just weight cut, and then we see what changes in their blood work.
00:46:08.000I bet we could see bad stuff in their blood work a week later.
00:46:38.000A metabolic workout, you know, like whether it's pads and bags or whether it's a CrossFit looking thing or something, but you've got a standard and so you weight cut at a certain starting weight, go down, rehydrate, do your whole, you know, your whole rehydration process, see how you do on this kind of standardized workout, and then maybe you gain a little bit more weight, a little bit more muscle.
00:46:59.000Is it that much more difficult to go down and does it actually then tank your performance?
00:47:05.000So I think you've got to get in and do some field testing, but it's hard to do that.
00:47:08.000You know, you're already trying to get ready for fight camps and do everything else.
00:48:19.000And just a little bit of strength or power training, a little bit of mobility work.
00:48:24.000But let's say you want to do some cardio.
00:48:27.000As a fighter, are you better off getting out and running?
00:48:30.000Are you better off having somebody hold pads for you?
00:48:33.000and you go at like 50% and you just, you get your heart rate up a little bit, you know, it's like, you know, 70, 75% of your VO2 max or whatever, but you do a little bit of that.
00:48:42.000You do a little bit of positional sparring on the ground.
00:48:45.000You do a little bit of clench work, but it's all at a very controlled pace.
00:48:48.000Like are you going to get more out of that or out of putting on your sneakers and going for a run?
00:48:53.000The only thing you get good out of going for a run is I find running to be like a form of moving meditation.
00:49:35.000But very few people will actually go over a whole routine in their head.
00:49:39.000Like, say if you were a wrestler and you had a series of takedowns and you put yourself into a state of concentration where you're only thinking about your wrestling and then All you do is concentrate on this power double over and over again.
00:49:52.000See yourself penetrating, see yourself sliding off that knee, getting your hands clasped together.
00:49:57.000If you really spent the time, like a whole full hour and a half of nothing but that, just like you would do if you were training nothing but that, I think that is a fascinating exercise to see how much it would improve a guy maybe who's not doing that, who's already very good. I think that is a fascinating exercise to see how Right.
00:50:16.000Someone who has a hard time seeing a next plateau.
00:50:29.000Like you could sit down on the elliptical.
00:50:31.000And then do some low-level cardio, but you're not watching TV during that thing.
00:50:36.000You're thinking through your fight strategy, whatever it is that's in your B game that you're trying to bring up, and you're really visualizing that.
00:50:43.000You've got to think about the feel, the smell.
00:50:46.000You've got to visualize it as detailed as you can to get the most benefit, but you're totally spot on.
00:51:20.000I love doing, at hotel rooms, I don't like doing this at home because it's kind of boring compared to other shit I can do, but I do this crazy elliptical workout where I'll sprint for 30 seconds, and then I'll relax for 30 seconds, and then I'll sprint for 30 seconds, and I just do as many rounds of that as I can.
00:52:08.000You've got to crank the power up, the resistance up, super high, and you go to war for 30 seconds.
00:52:14.000You've just got to go crazy for 30 seconds, and then crank that bitch back down to 8 or 9 or 7 or something, relax, and you do that for the next 30 seconds, and then right back up again.
00:53:45.000I've been hitting, like, double trees now because they usually have a half-decent gym.
00:53:49.000And then, like, you can swing some dumbbells like you do with kettlebells and just get some basic strength training in and then do some intervals on, like, a StairMaster or an elliptical.
00:54:03.000There's definitely something that goes on when your body goes to a new place where if you do get a good workout in, it sort of makes everything feel okay.
00:54:27.000Is it just an endorphin rush from the training?
00:54:30.000You know, heating up your body, you crank up all the metabolic processes going on.
00:54:35.000So it definitely, you know, the endorphin rush is nice because you just feel better from that.
00:54:39.000But whenever you heat your body up, you are kind of accelerating all the processes in the body.
00:54:44.000And so you're going to acclimate a little better.
00:54:47.000Taking some melatonin when you travel, that helps reset things, but exercise has been known for a long time to help.
00:54:54.000If you didn't exercise and you did a USA to Europe travel, it's going to take longer to get acclimated versus if you exercised every day.
00:55:03.000Now, if you go to a place and you settle in and you do exercise and you do take melatonin to sleep, what is the best case scenario for you settling into a new time zone?
00:55:18.000Like if someone goes from California to New York...
00:55:21.000You know, three time zones isn't too bad.
00:56:58.000The Alaska dude flies everywhere in a plane, goes for hours to be away from his family, or, excuse me, months, rather, to be away from his family, and just traps animals.
00:59:27.000What's the fuck Juan Manuel Marquez is famous for drinking his own piss, the boxer?
00:59:31.000Yeah, there's this idea of urine therapy.
00:59:36.000There's vitamins and nutrients that go through your body that don't get used by your body, but they're in your piss, but they will get used if you drink your piss.
00:59:48.000If your wife or girlfriend is pregnant, then HCG, human chorionic gonadotropin, is a hormone that stimulates testosterone release also.
00:59:59.000So you could collect their urine because the HCG is really high in the pregnant chicks and then concentrate it down and get jacked from that.
01:00:06.000Wow, you get jacked from your wife's piss.
01:01:29.000In like a slingshot and let go to the center of the universe.
01:01:33.000I think just like stacking psilocybin plus mescaline plus LSD is probably a more direct route to that instead of light drinking your own urine doing the whole thing.
01:01:43.000Well, it's supposed to be just an accelerated version of the mushroom trip.
01:01:46.000It's not like a confusing blend of The idea is just when you drink your own urine, apparently the real experience kicks in.
01:01:55.000It's like that takes it to the next level.
01:01:57.000It's so trippy that it takes it to the next level.
01:03:08.000That is something that cultures that didn't have psychedelics, they had rituals and rites of passages through different substances that would be poison.
01:03:18.000They'd basically be like, I think, the...
01:03:47.000And so instead of having that come through the amazing and enlightening experience of the psilocybin experience or the mushroom trip, instead of that, you just almost die.
01:06:23.000I would not think that anybody working at a fucking cricket protein bar in Thailand would be clean and tidy and shit into the batch every now and again.
01:06:34.000They could have, but there was no, like, hep A, apparently.
01:06:37.000Like, I didn't get doubled over from anything.
01:09:22.000How do you figure out to stick it in a bucket of water, let it sprout, and start smelling a little bit fermented, and then start eating it?
01:09:47.000So it depends on which business you're talking about, I guess.
01:09:49.000What do you think about an actual vegan diet like the China study and things along those lines where people have been advocating a completely vegetable-based diet?
01:10:41.000What is the difference between them and what you get from meat?
01:10:45.000You just get such a concentrated source of proteins from meat.
01:10:49.000On a hormonal level, you're releasing insulin and glucagon when you eat protein, and that is really beneficial for energy levels, for muscle mass.
01:10:58.000I mean, when you look at most of the vegan athletes, particularly in the kind of bodybuilding and strength scene, they're always using some sort of protein concentrate, like a rice protein concentrate or something.
01:11:08.000They're not just eating beans, rice, quinoa.
01:11:11.000They're not really eating whole foods.
01:11:12.000They're still eating a concentrated protein source.
01:11:37.000But when you say, I'm sorry to ask because my vegan friends would go crazy if I didn't.
01:11:42.000When you say it works better, have there been studies where they have shown a decrease in physical performance because of following a vegan diet as opposed to an increase in a meat-eating diet?
01:11:56.000I mean, has there ever been any study done?
01:11:58.000There's some studies comparing vegetarian diets to mixed diets, and typically the performance is not as good.
01:12:04.000So, I mean, there is some Because that's the only way they would really tell, right?
01:12:09.000Is to get an athlete, put them on it, see what their performance is, get that same athlete, put them on this other diet.
01:12:14.000And then isn't that sort of biospecific to that one individual?
01:12:18.000Yeah, and you know, like Carl Lewis is kind of carried around as a vegan success.
01:12:24.000He had one year of good performance, and then his performance tanked after that.
01:12:29.000And it was during a time that you would...
01:12:31.000Reasonably assume that he, you know, kind of like Usain Bolt, that he should continue to improve.
01:12:36.000And so that's where, like, you take somebody eating a standard American diet that's super pro-inflammatory, it's tons of, you know, refined foods and everything, you put them on a vegan diet, I think they're probably gonna look, feel, and perform better.
01:12:49.000Down the road, I just don't see people doing as well.
01:12:52.000And, you know, it's not like you need to eat boatloads of meat To round out, you know, like say you take this vegan diet that I would still put like paleo carbs in.
01:13:02.000Instead of beans, rice, quinoa and stuff, I would have yams, sweet potatoes, fruits, veggies, which still have more vitamins, minerals, and antioxidants per calorie.
01:14:54.000And just the fact that the way that we do mega farming, you destroy whole ecosystems to do that.
01:15:00.000Whereas there's this guy, Joel Salatin, who has the polyface farms, and they do biodynamic farming where you've got pigs and chickens and it's outside and they use solar power.
01:15:10.000That farm produces more food, more nutrition per acre than any other farm on the planet.
01:15:57.000When did they start feeding them grains?
01:16:01.000Early 1970s, there were some fluctuations in food prices, and there was a desire on the part of the U.S. government.
01:16:07.000I think it was right at the end of Nixon's scene.
01:16:10.000They started dumping a bunch of subsidy money into intensifying farm production of basically like corn and soybeans, stuff like that.
01:16:17.000And they wanted to create an export commodity out of that.
01:16:21.000And when we started producing all of this grain, like high carbohydrate stuff, we needed to do something with it, which is where we then started recommending it via things like the food pyramid, that you need to eat 12 servings of whole grains a day and stuff like that.
01:16:38.000A government sponsored move, which I'm just totally a nutcase libertarian, like I just can't fucking stand the government coming in and subsidizing any industry because you end up destroying the market forces that would normally control it.
01:16:52.000So now we have a Twinkie that costs less than an apple, but it really doesn't cost less because we're paying for the subsidized production of that food via taxes and via going and acquiring oil and all these other indirect methods.
01:17:04.000So if you had kind of decentralized farming and you have something that looks like the polyface farms where they grow cattle and horses and pigs and it's all kind of a self-contained nutrient cycle.
01:17:15.000So the cattle go through and then the chickens go through and move the cow poop around.
01:17:20.000Dude, I've always wanted to live like that.
01:17:22.000I've always thought that would be such a cool fucking thing to be able to buy a farm somewhere and actually have it set up like that where you get all your food from the ground that you actually live on.
01:19:06.000It's reversible in that you can take somebody who's not managing their blood glucose and they're on a host of drugs and they're very likely to die from heart attack, stroke, cancer, and if you feed them a ketogenic, like a moderate protein, high fat diet, you can shift their body's metabolism to run on ketones and they're going to live amazingly well and they're not going to bankrupt society because we're spending a bunch of money trying to manage this stuff.
01:19:33.000But for an athlete, for somebody who's not metabolically broken, I just like to steer people more towards like the, you know, fruits, veggies, yams, sweet potatoes, stuff like that for the carbs.
01:19:42.000When you carb load though, do you get the same carb load from fruits and veggies that you would if you were eating a giant plate of pasta?
01:19:48.000That's where you would use like a yam or a sweet potato or something like that and it's very, you know, it's like a one for one kind of...
01:19:57.000But meanwhile, if I were to go for a yam or a plate of spaghetti, I'm going to take that spaghetti because it's yummier and I feel like I'm getting away with something when I eat it.
01:20:05.000You know, the wheat has some opiate-like chemicals in it that stimulate the addiction centers in the brain.
01:20:51.000Have you ever thought about working with big name MMA guys and getting together with some high level fighters and organizing their Food in their camps.
01:21:31.000And so I think if you have somebody eating vegan and they're doing more like yams, sweet potatoes, fruits for their carbs, then they're probably going to do better.
01:21:38.000But I just don't see people thrive on it.
01:23:57.000Morgan Spurlock hosted the one that we were on, then Robin Williams did a show on drug use, and so they would get people whacked on just a variety of drugs and do pet scans on their brain to see what was firing and everything.
01:24:31.000When you want to tap out, you let us know, and you can tap out, and you can come back to civilization.
01:24:35.000They gave us clothes, but we had to learn how to make our own fire, make our own tools, and there was this guy, Billy, who was a primitive skills expert, and he could take a big rock, start whacking it, and then have a stone knife in five minutes.
01:24:49.000I wonder if we could have a show like that where there's a big prize.
01:24:53.000And it's like, they have to see who can live the longest as a caveman.
01:24:59.000And if you could do it, you'd get something crazy, like five million bucks.
01:25:03.000I've had this idea of the weight loss show, but it...
01:25:08.000So you've got people that are living this kind of caveman-esque lifestyle.
01:25:12.000They work out and they eat paleo and, you know, they get put through challenges and stuff.
01:25:15.000But instead of, like, the punishment would actually be giving them westernized refined food, not letting them sleep, making them stay up late and play video games.
01:25:25.000So basically the punishment would be living the westernized lifestyle.
01:25:28.000Because it ultimately say like you have like a million dollar prize or something and it's all based on like body composition change or weight loss or something but if you give them the only food to eat is shitty food and you keep them awake and you don't let them exercise and they're not going to lose body weight.
01:25:43.000So the punishment is actually living modern life and the only way that you could win like the people who do it best the way that they win is by actually avoiding the modern I think the idea of people who work out hard and then they get to a certain...
01:28:29.000But they checked out an atloddle on that show, and it has as much power as a 273 round because of the weight and the velocity you're able to get on it.
01:28:38.000The leverage from slinging that thing.
01:30:43.000What a cool little piece of nature that these delicious animals wander through your whole town by the hundreds and then make their way through the forest.
01:30:54.000There's something fucking magical about that, man.
01:30:56.000I mean, it sucks a big fat dick when it snows up there.
01:33:52.000A rite of passage for French gourmets has been eating of the ordelan.
01:33:56.000These tiny birds captured alive, force-fed, and then drowned in Armagnac.
01:34:03.000I guess it's a type of cognac or something like that.
01:34:05.000Were roasted whole and eaten that way, bones and all, while the diner draped his head with a linen napkin to preserve the precious aromas and, some believe, to hide from God.
01:36:59.000You know, the funny thing is there was a woman who's a cartoonist who is a meat eater, but thought that it was appalling that I hunted an animal.
01:37:40.000If you actually eat meat, would you prefer your pig to be stuffed into some fucking crazy container and live its life in its own shit until it finally gets slaughtered?
01:37:49.000You know, is that somehow or another better if you're not involved?
01:39:42.000And then when you go to the meat deal and you understand what's involved with killing and processing an animal, like it's pretty gruesome shit.
01:39:53.000Do we have to be concerned with a lack of minerals in the topsoil?
01:39:57.000I've read people have discussed whether or not it's healthy to be trying to replenish them with chemicals and whether or not there's supposed to be a natural cycle of leaving certain areas alone for a while and then planting them in the future.
01:40:12.000Could I answer that after taking a leak?
01:43:15.000But when you look at the economy and everything, I mean, instead of driving towards the top end, then you make some cheap, you know, box wine style stuff within a different delivery deal.
01:43:41.000I mean, the poison's all in the dose, so, I mean, I have a couple drinks a day, and, you know, not too bad, and I stick more with, like, NorCal margaritas, just, like, tequila, lime juice.
01:44:48.000It's interesting, like, just being exposed to a stress, there's this process called hormesis, where, like, when you exercise, you get some damage to the muscles or to the cardiovascular system, and your body needs to adapt to that, and it's actually the process of adapting that's good for you.
01:45:03.000And alcohol causes some damage to the body that then it needs to respond to, and there's some kind of beneficial, you know, elements to that.
01:45:10.000I had a crazy idea when I was younger.
01:45:12.000It's a stupid idea, but it was like, if you smoke cigarettes, maybe it would make your lungs stronger, because they'd have to fight off the cigarette smoke.
01:45:20.000You just got to quit when you were about 40. When I was in wrestling, one of the best kids on our wrestling team was a smoker, and I was worried about that.
01:47:54.000Let's say you're a police or firefighter and you're working night shift and you're working out like crazy and you're using caffeine to drive a lifestyle that is totally over the top.
01:48:26.000So you can overdo it in that regard, but it's kind of like lifestyle plus, bad lifestyle plus too much coffee is bad.
01:48:33.000But if you have a lifestyle that's a little bit more sedate, like when we go on vacation, I can drink coffee all day long and it doesn't faze me.
01:48:41.000When I'm working and I've got deadlines and stuff and I've got that base level of stress, then I can't do much coffee.
01:48:47.000That's interesting because that's when a lot of people would think that you would need it.
01:48:51.000You're stressed out, you need some energy, then you take the coffee.
01:48:57.000Interesting thing, for more cognitive type stuff, like writing or trying to do creative work, doing nicotine gum, Yeah, I've heard of that.
01:50:37.000Yeah, I mean, when you look at tobacco, like, whenever it hits somewhere, it spreads fast, and it sticks pretty hard.
01:50:44.000Well, the real madness is how many people fucking die from it, and yet it's still so prevalent.
01:50:49.000And even amongst young people, in 2012, the internet out there, for whatever reason, there's this weird romantic pull towards self-destruction through use of tobacco.
01:51:08.000I think it was the tipping point, but he talked about the fact that if you try to demonize something and make it not cool, that kids are going to gravitate towards it even more.
01:51:19.000Yeah, well, anything their parents don't want them to do.
01:52:53.000It's interesting when it's contrasted with, say, tobacco.
01:52:56.000You don't see the same type of emphysema.
01:53:00.000You don't see the same type of carcinogenic effects, even though you've got all...
01:53:04.000I mean, you're creating a ton of different chemicals.
01:53:06.000When you burn something, you make these things, polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, these soot particles that get in between DNA and can cause problems.
01:53:14.000When you look at the research on marijuana use, you just don't see the same types of things popping up.
01:53:20.000Now, for a hard-charging athlete, I think that you would probably be better off if you want to have a relaxing evening, like making some brownies or something like that.
01:53:29.000The delivery system is going to change the effects a lot, for sure.
01:53:33.000Well, the delivery system changes the effects, but it's also vaporizing, which is the same sort of delivery system, a very similar delivery system, but you're just getting the THC vapor and you're not getting all the carbon.
01:54:30.000Each year, thousands of people, I don't know, like, it'd be easy to do a doctor Google on that, but see, you know, how many deaths there are each year due to NSAIDs, non-steroidal anti-inflammatory overdoses.
01:54:46.000With Vicodin, they pair Vicodin with acetaminophen, Tylenol, with the express purpose so that people don't take more of it to get a narcotic effect because it will cause liver damage.
01:55:00.000And there are thousands of people that end up dying But, you know, inadvertently because they may have a drink and then they take some Vicodin, which you're not really supposed to do.
01:55:08.000But the acetaminophen makes the whole thing so much more toxic.
01:55:11.000Like, they're literally killing people into no better effect versus taking, you know, if somebody has some legitimate pain, just taking some opiates is going to be really powerful on that.
01:55:21.000You may not want to stay on that forever because the stuff's super addictive and has all kinds of other side effects.
01:55:25.000But a lot of our kind of drugs policy, even on the orthodox side, Over-the-counter side is really goofy.
01:56:56.000So there's a lot of reasons for not using it.
01:56:59.000And for just taking some fish oil, getting your vitamin D levels up by either being out in the sun or supplementing with vitamin D. Smart training, periodizing your training a little bit, stuff like that.
01:57:10.000I've never heard that ibuprofen was so bad.
01:57:45.000What should you take when you have inflammation?
01:57:47.000Is there any sort of dietary remedy or is there anything that you could replace ibuprofen with that's a good anti-inflammatory that's actually beneficial or healthy?
02:03:07.000So the fact that you put coconut oil in there is good because a lot of people make all that stuff low fat and a lot of the phytochemicals, a lot of the antioxidants only dissolve in fat.
02:03:17.000So when you put that, it's kind of like doing an extract.
02:03:19.000So just a regular salad is not good enough.
02:03:21.000You have to have a good ranch dressing or something.
02:06:42.000So if you're going to work out later in the day, you might want to start with like some fruit or like some yams or some sweet potatoes or something like that with this.
02:06:49.000But that first meal, if you make it mainly protein and fat, you have good rock solid energy level.
02:06:55.000I usually train at noon, like if I'm able to get into Jits at noon, then I eat at either one or two.
02:07:21.000Is a little bit of protein with a metric ton of veggies and then some fat.
02:07:27.000So I'm doing a boatload of cooked veggies or a salad or something.
02:07:32.000So I'm getting all the veggies at the end of the day with a bunch of fat.
02:07:35.000I'm streamlining my breakfast, but I'm getting enough protein in the morning so that my energy level is good, my blood sugar is good, and all that stuff.
02:07:42.000And then I'm recovering from training by doing some post-workout carbs.
02:07:46.000And say, like, when I start doing jits, because I'm old now and just beat down and everything, I'm not really doing much else.
02:07:52.000I might lift weights a little bit or do a little gymnastics, but I'm not really needing a lot of glycogen repletion between workouts.
02:07:58.000But if you had somebody that was doing multiple sessions a day, then you just start doing more carb repletion feeds.
02:08:05.000So, you know, breakfast would be protein and yams and sweet potatoes and fruit.
02:08:09.000So, you throw down the carbs based on kind of what glycogen you're burning in your workouts.
02:08:16.000I've never heard anybody advocate bacon and eggs for breakfast with coffee.
02:08:45.000Less nutrients, but again, it's a little bit specific to the person.
02:08:50.000Somebody like you that's lean and athletic and doing a lot of activity.
02:08:53.000Then for dinner, a piece of meat with a baked potato or a sweet potato, that's fine because you've got the activity level where you need that level of carb intake.
02:09:02.000Somebody that's trying to lose some weight and they maybe have some insulin dysregulation, like their blood sugars go high and low, their insulin goes high and low, they would probably be better off not having that.
02:09:12.000Folks want to paint like a kind of a one-size-fits-all picture, but it's very specific.
02:09:17.000It's like, are we talking about a metabolically broken type 2 diabetic?
02:09:47.000If you're a meat eater, if you're the type of person who eats meat, when you work out right away, like right when it's over, you want a fucking steak, you want a burger, your body is saying, give me some meat, bitch.
02:09:59.000It's probably an instinct that, I mean, your muscles in your body are probably sending a message, right?
02:10:06.000Yeah, and it's a great way to stabilize your blood sugar.
02:10:10.000You eat some protein, and that is going to be a slow-release glucose into your system because your body can convert the amino acids into glucose.
02:10:18.000Kind of the ideal thing is a pretty good whack of protein with a little bit of carbs.
02:10:23.000Should you not drink water while you eat?
02:10:26.000You know, it's not a bad idea, and it's a little bit lunatic fringe, but you dilute the digestive enzymes a little bit, and I think that you probably have better digestion without liquids during the meal.
02:10:39.000And part of it, too, you notice when people drink liquid with their meal, they just kind of gum their food once or twice, and then they take some water and shoot it down, and their eyes bulge because it's like a python swallowing a swamp rat or something.
02:13:12.000And I was talking to their underwriter about the whole paleo thing, and I'm like, because the one thing they ding me on, I'm 5'9", 175 pounds, and so according to their charts, I was overweight.
02:13:23.000And I was like, well, I lift weights, and I'm reasonably lean, and I shot on pictures and everything.
02:14:18.000Yeah, I've heard that the one that tests you, if you stand on it, if it gets your body fat, if you're dehydrated, it registers that as more fat.
02:14:44.000And you could imagine that maybe it's like, okay, maybe it's 12 or maybe even 15, which would be almost 50% off, but it was like, okay, yeah, there's something seriously broken there.
02:15:11.000Well, dudes that are really super lean when you see them competing in MMA that have cut an incredible amount of weight, how much of an impact does that have?
02:15:17.000Just the fact that even when they rehydrate, they have to fight so lean.
02:15:22.000Some people run lean and still have some good performance, but wired into our brain, wired into our genetics is a really tightly controlled mechanism to know how much body fat we have.
02:15:35.000Usually we want some, not too much, because you start getting unhealthy with too much.
02:15:39.000But if you start getting really, really lean, your body registers that as a stress because you don't have much survival reserve.
02:15:45.000Like if there was a starvation scenario, then, you know, your body starts getting anxious about that and it'll elevate cortisol.
02:15:51.000It'll suppress your work output because it doesn't want you to be too lean.
02:15:56.000Dude, you're making people so happy today.
02:15:58.000Do you understand what you're doing here?
02:16:00.000You're saying bacon and eggs in the morning is good.
02:19:11.000The mad cow disease, ladies and gentlemen, if you don't know, was started because they made cows eat other fucking cows.
02:19:17.000And they just had another E. coli breakout.
02:19:20.000And the way that this E. coli becomes problematic when you feed cattle grains, it increases the stomach acid content in the cattle.
02:19:29.000It gives them GERD, a gastroesophageal reflux disease type deal because of the elevated acid.
02:19:34.000And this E. coli that is normally killed by stomach acid, you selectively breed it to survive high acid environment.
02:19:41.000So the stuff that normally our own stomach acid would kill, because we feed the cattle grains instead of grass, we actually produce like a superbug.
02:19:50.000That then if it gets some other genetic modifications, it makes it deadly.
02:19:54.000And it can survive going through the digestive process where normally we would kill it.
02:19:59.000So, you know, the grain feeding of cattle is just like, it's super expensive, it's dirty, it's subsidized.
02:20:08.000But there is a benefit of packing on more fat on the animal, which makes it a little bit more juicy when you cook it.
02:20:14.000Yeah, I mean, it's interesting though, like if you find folks, like we spent a bunch of time in Nicaragua and stuff, and the folks from there, you get used to eating the meat that's grass-fed, and it's definitely leaner, but it's very, very flavorful and it's different.
02:21:00.000when they had the hole in the animal's side because it was like fucking stomach acids were rotting.
02:21:07.000Yeah, when you feed cattle grains, it's a race against time to get them fat enough to take them to market before they die from all the gastrointestinal problems.
02:21:55.000Whereas used to, you know, like the four food groups even, which like when you and I were kids was still more the gig, you typically ate more fat, more protein, and less carbs, just in general.
02:22:08.000So it was really interesting, like the formula, the standardized formula in this Huge tome of a book to get animals fat for sale was identical to the food ratios recommended by the ADA. Wow.
02:22:23.000It's a fattening diet because of the carbohydrate content, because of the allowance for refined sugars and stuff like that.
02:22:29.000And you said this all started being implemented in the 1970s, the recommendation for grains.
02:22:34.000Yeah, you know, prior to like the late 60s, early 70s, whenever you went to a doctor and you were overweight, you were recommended, you were prescribed a low-carb diet.
02:22:43.000For like a hundred years, that was the norm.
02:22:46.000And this is, Gary Taubes wrote a really interesting book, Good Calories, Bad Calories.
02:22:56.000But for a hundred years, It was just understood that if you were overweight, you cut out beer, potatoes, pasta, rice, eat protein and fat and green vegetables, and you lost weight.
02:23:10.000And it was just woven into You know, all of medicine.
02:23:15.000And then around the 1950s, we had this idea that heart disease was caused by fat consumption, which had never been borne out by the science.
02:23:25.000It was, interestingly, a vegetarian on a political committee That kind of put this thing forward and ended up enacting a bunch of the laws that push this stuff forward.
02:23:35.000And we've spent billions of dollars trying to prove that saturated fat causes cardiovascular disease.
02:23:39.000They had the Framingham Heart Study, which was 30,000 nurses or something like that, tracked over like 30 years.
02:23:45.000And the nurses that ate the most fat, the most saturated fat, ate the most calories, were the leanest, had the highest energy levels, and tended to be the longest lived.
02:23:55.000And so, I mean, it's totally the Emperor's New Clothes type thing.
02:23:59.000Like, everything we've been told is just fucking wrong.
02:24:02.000Like, and not Petit Mall wrong, like Grand Mall wrong.
02:25:04.000So there are some people that they need to be pretty low salt.
02:25:06.000Otherwise, they're going to have cardiovascular problems.
02:25:09.000So does it cause hypertension in people if they overdose in it, or is that a misnomer?
02:25:13.000It can, but interestingly, when you consume carbohydrate and your insulin levels go up, when insulin goes up, another hormone called aldosterone goes up, and aldosterone causes your body to retain salt.
02:25:25.000And when you retain salt, you retain water.
02:25:28.000So it's actually an indirect way that sodium elevates blood pressure.
02:25:33.000But if your insulin levels are high, say you're eating a high-carb diet, you know, like grain-based, you know, ADA-recommended diet, and you cut your salt back, you may still have very high blood pressure because of the insulin problem, not necessarily the salt problem.
02:25:45.000Whereas you're eating a little lower carb, you could eat some salt, and it's not going to be problematic at all.
02:25:50.000So most people don't have sodium issues.
02:25:53.000I would say it's less an issue of sodium and more an issue of carbohydrate and also sleep, circling back around.
02:26:00.000Only one or two nights of missed sleep, like poor sleep, can make you as insulin resistant as a type 2 diabetic.
02:30:18.000I mean, what it really is, it's like, if you could take a pill that would put you in that state where you're in this crazy darkness flying through space, relieved from all the input from your body, that would be a crazy fucking drug.
02:30:57.000Yeah, we're just getting ready to basically bring a mobile recording deal to my house, and then I'll sit down and bang the thing out, and then we'll be good.
02:31:06.000If you go to Doug.com, Brian makes money.
02:34:37.000It seems like we're here, though, okay?
02:34:39.000If you're 40, I'm 44. We're here for a certain amount of years.
02:34:43.000We only have a certain amount of time.
02:34:45.000There's got to be a way to make this a more pleasurable and sustainable experience for all the people involved in it and all the future generations before the sun burns out.
02:34:55.000There's gotta be a way to make it more comfortable.
02:34:57.000I just lean towards this whole market-based libertarian kind of self-determination and freedom.
02:35:04.000We have all this fucked up stuff where We have people that want to marry each other, and we won't let them marry each other.
02:35:37.000The real problem with keeping drugs illegal is that there's a whole bunch of people that make their living busting people who are on drugs.
02:35:43.000There's a reason why, by the way, these fucking DEA agents keep raiding medical marijuana dispensers.
02:35:49.000You don't hear a goddamn peep About them busting heroin dealers or busting Oxycontin factories or busting illegal shit like meth labs.
02:37:19.000The actual officers are the ones who are trying to make a difference.
02:37:22.000I mean, who knows who's the dummy that's telling them they need to close down the medical marijuana dispensaries, but that is the only way you can keep all those people employed.
02:37:32.000You know, if you have a million DEA agents, or whatever the fuck it is, and you all of a sudden make marijuana legal, what the fuck do they do?
02:37:41.000When they have all these people that are in jail for something, retroactively should be released...
02:37:45.000I mean, just because they violated a ridiculous law ten years ago, they shouldn't be still locked in a fucking cage if we've determined that law doesn't make any sense.
02:38:10.000Yeah, fuck it could but it's not it doesn't seem like that's happening in our life We need to figure out a way to force feed that like a fog wad duck and just listen cocksuckers.
02:38:19.000This is the future It's not right to lock people up for marijuana, you know, it's it's interesting the there was a Ron Paul rally in in Nevada that I went to in Reno, and it was huge and It was all young people and it was like Black people and white people and Asian people.
02:38:36.000And I mean, Nevada doesn't have that much racial diversity.
02:38:38.000And so the fact that there was, you know, this mix there and that they were young and they were impassioned about this kind of libertarian idea, it was pretty interesting.
02:38:47.000And in this Paleo scene, it's a really interesting overlap with it.
02:38:52.000Like almost everybody in this Paleo scene is like kind of libertarian politics.
02:39:00.000I think it's because they're fucking smart.
02:39:02.000It's like they've rattled all the stuff around.
02:39:05.000The vegetarians, and I know people are going to hate me, but there's a sense about, well, we're going to nice our way into a stable world, but the reality is that the way that nature works is that you have carnivores and herbivores, and there's a biodynamic kind of system there, and I think that people in the Paleocene more embrace that, and they embrace decentralized farming and permaculture and things like that, but there's a really...
02:39:30.000Powerful kind of libertarian element to this Paleo scene and it's growing like crazy.
02:39:35.000Like every 12 months on Google it's doubling.
02:39:38.000And as it stands right now, it is just growing exponentially.
02:39:42.000And so you've got kind of a food-oriented, kind of exercise-oriented scene, which is a little culty, but it's also got this interesting kind of market-based libertarian kind of politics that seem to be woven through the whole thing.
02:39:56.000When you say culty, though, I think it speaks to people's ideas.
02:40:01.000When it comes along, when something comes along that speaks to what people had sort of surmised on their own, or at least suspected, but didn't have a direction to put all the facts in, especially when it comes to libertarian ideology and just leaving people alone, letting them do what the fuck they want to do.
02:40:18.000For so many people, that's just a big yes!
02:40:24.000Is it just this weird-ass fucking society where dumb people are allowed to thrive and that promotes these ridiculous solutions like a 10,000-year-old earth and supporting ridiculous old texts that were written back when people thought the world was flat and the sun was 17 miles away?
02:40:40.000I mean, it almost is like that's suppressing the growth.
02:40:45.000The U.S. is wacky in that we have a remarkably unsophisticated scientific understanding of the way the world works.
02:40:54.000Yet, we make all the coolest science shit.
02:41:09.000The problematic things that pop up, like when you see people who are homeless, when you see families with kids who don't have a job and they don't have a home, then you want to do something to help them.
02:41:19.000And I think having support networks and safety nets are smart, but when you create them in such a way that you're incentivized to stay in versus get out, then you create an indentured class and essentially a slave class because they can't get...
02:41:34.000If you don't incentivize people to have self-direction, Then it's easier for them to stay there, but the easiest way to destroy a person's soul is to provide them their means and not cause them to suffer and to find their own way through life.
02:41:49.000Yeah, they will have no personal development, no character.
02:41:54.000Right, and I think that there's lots of good intentions that, you know, the path to hell is paved on good intentions.
02:42:01.000So there's a lot of desire to help people, and, you know, there's a...
02:42:05.000Doing these more market-based approaches like having You know, social support networks being driven more at the local level instead of the federal level and stuff like that.
02:42:15.000So, you know, there's been this thing floating around like the Cato Institute for ages where instead of paying like 50% of my taxes to the federal government like I'm doing now, if I pay to a local 5013C, a local nonprofit, then it's dollar for dollar reduces my tax burden at the federal level.
02:42:33.000And then how, you know, a local nonprofit is going to be transparent.
02:42:39.000If they shit the bed on something, you can shut them down and pull your money and put it someplace else.
02:42:44.000And there's a lot of other ways besides just expanding government to get things done and to take care of people.
02:42:52.000And people look at this kind of libertarian idea as being cruel and Machiavellian, that some people are going to be winners and losers.
02:43:01.000That will always be the case, but if we create a vibrant society with freedom and we respect each other's rights, and even if we don't agree, we don't fucking kill each other over the differences and stuff like that, you've got a really amazing thing that could happen from that.
02:43:16.000And I'm optimistic, even while we've got drones flying overhead, even while we've got another move by our supposedly hope and change-oriented president that is oriented towards more internet.
02:43:30.000Suppression and more internet monitoring.
02:44:48.000And you have whatever it costs, 80 grand or whatever the fuck it is, you can go to a Ford dealership and get by yourself a goddamn 2013 Shelby GT500 and just drive like a maniac until they pull you over and arrest you.
02:45:00.000It's something designed to break the law.
02:45:03.000It's bright red with white stripes on it.
02:45:23.000We trust them to have their shit together.
02:45:25.000We have to figure out a way to make it so that you have to overcome something to achieve success.
02:45:31.000In order to feed yourself, you've got to do some work.
02:45:34.000In order to, you know, improve your environment and your surroundings, you have to put forth some effort.
02:45:39.000And when we make it so that people just get checks for nothing, that is like the complete opposite of the natural behavior response, natural reward system that's set up for human beings.
02:46:57.000Like, I had a way better childhood than my dad did.
02:46:59.000He had it way more difficult than I did.
02:47:01.000But he had choices that he could have made that would have provided for his family, would have provided for himself, and he chose not to do it.
02:47:08.000And he had a really rough, you know, end of his life.
02:49:27.000All you think about is what you're hearing in the story.
02:49:29.000It's a chance for you to instead listen to some stupid gossip news or some depressing shit about the world.
02:49:35.000You can get lost in some cool fiction or some informative stuff.
02:49:38.000Or, you know, you could listen to our friend Bobcat Goldthwait in his book, I Don't Mean to Insult You But You Look Like Bobcat Goldthwait.
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