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00:00:45.000It's exactly the same as the people do in the office.
00:00:47.000I don't know, because it's a squeeze bottle, like a spray bottle that you spray a cat with or something like that, and this is like a high-powered water pick in your ear.
00:01:04.000It's a fucking wild world out there, folks.
00:01:07.000Apparently, well, let's talk about this in the podcast because I do want to bring up this new thing that's been going on where people are selling illegal drugs over the internet and getting away with it somehow or another.
00:01:56.000It is a company that the whole mission of the company is to bring you the best supplements, the best fitness equipment, the best choices for a healthy lifestyle.
00:02:09.000And what alpha brain is, it's nootropics, and what they are is vitamins that have been shown to have a positive effect on cognitive function, to have a positive effect on how your brain operates.
00:02:37.000It's based on the cordyceps mushroom, which has been shown to accentuate your body's ability to process oxygen.
00:02:44.000I'm not sure how it works, but it was discovered apparently by high-altitude herders who, their animals, they noticed after eating these mushrooms.
00:02:59.000But there's, you know, like what people are able to do today, like harvesting live organisms like acidophilus and different mushrooms and things like that.
00:03:24.000They're not like steroids or anything.
00:03:26.000But it is very effective, as is this new hemp force protein that we just got.
00:03:30.000This is the highest quality plant-based protein you can buy.
00:03:34.000And we have to get it from Canada, unfortunately, because we have a retarded government!
00:03:40.000And our retarded government, believe it or not, even though it's legal in Vermont, and I believe in two other states, but most certainly Vermont.
00:06:09.000This is, I think, all you need if you want to get in shape.
00:06:13.000There's a lot of people that join exercise gyms, and you wind up doing Stairmasters, and you wind up doing leg extensions, and all this crazy shit you do on machines.
00:06:23.000This is all you need for fitness, okay?
00:06:26.000Bodyweight squats are fucking fantastic, okay?
00:07:35.000You're swinging 140 pounds, pressing it up, holding it on each hand.
00:07:39.000I mean, it has made me substantially stronger, really increased my jiu-jitsu game, made positions stronger, I have better balance, I have more...
00:08:44.000Tremendous exercise as far as its ability to translate into athletics, and that's what I think is very important, for me at least.
00:08:51.000There's a lot of exercises that make you look a little bit better, but your body's not moving in a natural way.
00:08:57.000You're isolating things, and when you do that, you can actually throw off the whole balance of how your body communicates, and now it's weight.
00:09:04.000That's why dudes with meatball bodies, meatballs on a toothpick, really big upper body and little skinny legs, those guys aren't athletes.
00:10:02.000He's like, yeah, like, I've never heard a show, like, I'm used to, like, I remember, like, the old, like, the fleshlights or people advertising condoms or fucking Bud Light, but it's like, you need these to make you strong for when you know what happens.
00:10:15.000For when the shit goes down and you gotta choke some fucking soldiers.
00:12:23.000Dude, people have gotten angry at Brian, and here's one of my favorite fucking arguments.
00:12:28.000A dude was angry at Brian because we were talking about Android phones, and I always look at Android phones, and I look at him and I'm like, ooh, that's a fucking big screen.
00:12:40.000Some guy argued, you don't even know what you're talking about.
00:12:44.000Maybe the regular user interface is clunky, but I've hacked into my droid, and I've used a different, whatever the fuck they call it, I've rooted it, and used a different OS. They hacked the operating system, changed the way it looks, and they go, see?
00:15:49.000And they go, oh, it's Apple TV. So now if you go on eBay or if you go on Amazon.com and you look at Apple TV, like the new version is like $99 and the old version is like $300 because they're so in...
00:17:46.000I mean, like journalists and stuff, when we were covering Occupy, like if someone stole my phone, I look like a fucking crazy person because the only pictures I have in my phone are cops beating the shit out of protesters.
00:18:00.000And then you flip it and it's like, oh, there's my Hitler cat and like my fat cat.
00:19:13.000I think it was way worse before they were accountable.
00:19:16.000I think now we're seeing it, and they realize, like, do you know how much that UC Davis cuntbag guy who sprayed pepper in those little children's faces, that piece of shit, do you know how bad he must have felt after that was over?
00:19:31.000What the impact it must have been on his face?
00:20:06.000Like a lot of the schools in California especially are, you know, we don't have time for school because we're not going to tax billionaires, blah, blah, blah.
00:20:12.000Which, by the way, anyone listening to the show That's like, I'm a small business owner.
00:20:32.000And they got their money by making you really poor.
00:20:36.000And so, yeah, so the dean was expecting this huge protest because, like, thousands of people showed up.
00:20:43.000And what ended up happening when she was leaving, it was like dusk, and there were thousands of people, but instead, you know, screaming and chanting or whatever, fucking throwing glitter on her, they were silent.
00:20:55.000It was this parking lot of, like, Thousands of just silent people and she just had to walk to her car in fucking shame.
00:23:19.000People really loved the idea of tasers and even weapons they use at protests like rubber bullets and stuff like that.
00:23:28.000And even though now it's come out that many people have died, many times the people who have been tasered have been the elderly, mentally handicapped, people who really did not Innocent people, children, people who do not necessarily need to be...
00:24:19.000Part of me is just, like, what happened to...
00:24:22.000I get it if they're, like, an actual threat.
00:24:24.000Then the taser's better than, like, shooting a guy to death, right?
00:24:27.000But if you're not a threat, if you're unarmed, if you're just being, like, difficult, like, what happened to, like...
00:24:33.000Cops having to fucking subdue these people.
00:24:35.000Like, why are all these, like, MMA guys doing, like, fucking jujitsu seminars for law enforcement if people have just started fucking taser?
00:24:42.000Like, that wasn't the point of the taser.
00:24:45.000The taser was supposed to be before deadly threats, so they're not proposing enough of a threat where you have to use, I'm sorry, deadly force.
00:24:52.000Because I remember, like, do you remember when that dude, like, ran onto the baseball field?
00:25:07.000That's what he gets for running on to a baseball field.
00:25:10.000I'm like, he gets fucking electrocuted?
00:25:12.000Like what happened to the days where the cops had to get off their fucking ass Chase someone, be in somewhat good shape, and just subduing.
00:25:21.000Okay, I think taser the fuck on that idiot that runs in the field because he's a retard, okay?
00:25:26.000And we need to show everybody that it really sucks when you run onto a field because we got a shitty, stupid, cappity...
00:25:32.000Copycat Society, where if one asshole gets away with charging a baseball player and gets a high five out of the baseball player before he gets tackled to the ground.
00:25:42.000By the way, the officers that are tackling to the ground, when you get into a physical altercation with somebody, you risk really getting hurt.
00:25:48.000And when you're a guy who's just, look at this, this guy's running around, he's a fucking idiot, he's ruining the game, taser this asshole.
00:25:56.000Okay, once he's down, they shouldn't have tasered him.
00:26:26.000These poor guys with families and lives and knees and bodies, they should have to risk their fucking knees and neck to take down this asshole.
00:26:33.000You can get an injury taking a man down that you sustain for the rest of your life.
00:27:31.000This is what I believe can stop this whole police brutality problem.
00:27:34.000We have to make our relationship with the cops different.
00:27:38.000The cops are supposed to be respected members of our community that are there to help us when the shit goes wrong.
00:27:45.000It's become, by shitty management and by old asshole, cunt, fuckhead, those white shirt douchebags that you see punching kids, it all trickles down from the top and they establish the attitude for the younger officers.
00:27:58.000And these guys who go into the police academies with good intentions can be corrupted by old jaded motherfuckers that have a shitty way of We're looking at people.
00:28:08.000But we have to look at it differently too.
00:28:11.000This us versus them mentality a lot of times comes from people that have a distrust of police from the past or of things that they've seen when it comes to corruption or things they've seen when it comes to brutality.
00:28:23.000Or they're just a bunch of assholes that are always doing crimes because they always have to deal with cops going, cup the shit!
00:31:12.000So it was the most ridiculous setup ever.
00:31:15.000These drunk, idiot concertgoers surrounded by trained killers who are led by a complete psychopath who encouraged you to fuck up people who stepped out of line.
00:31:26.000Hey, rent-a-cop, what are you doing with your walkie-talkie?
00:31:38.000A real commonplace analogy is whenever you're a pedestrian walking around New York, and you're like, these fucking idiot taxis and stuff like that, and then you're in a cab or a car, and you're like, fucking run them over, these asshole pedestrians.
00:31:49.000Where it's like, yeah, you just get into this fucking moat.
00:31:51.000When we were at NATO, which erupted for the protests in Chicago, the first day, the cops were actually like, the cops I talked to were super chill.
00:32:01.000Where one dude saw I had a jiu-jitsu shirt on, and he's like, where are you trained, man?
00:34:49.000And what was great about New York is there was this, like, camaraderie among all the journalists where suddenly you had 50 journalists, like the cops right here.
00:34:56.000You had 50 journalists over taking pictures, asking what the kid's name is.
00:35:10.000Dude, I'll show you a picture after the show that I have to find on my phone where it's just like, it was the anarchists, the black block, and it was just a banner that said, fuck the police, and they were here, and the police were here.
00:35:20.000And some of the cops were like, eh, they don't mean it.
00:35:43.000The instigators or – I haven't seen – I've only seen videos and read articles about the cops actually being the ones that started the violence.
00:36:23.000And he was with a friend who looked the same way, looked like a fucking college wrestler, short, stocky, and he had a fucking Nirvana shirt on.
00:39:12.000This white shirt actually saved our ass, so he was one of the guys I was talking to the day before, and we were kind of friendly, and so we knew I was pressed.
00:39:19.000By the way, we're not saying we want to hurt white cops with crew cuts, just for any idiot that listened to that.
00:42:18.000When you have a father that has a fuse that's like a half an inch long, and it'll just explode on someone and beat the shit out of someone in front of you.
00:43:31.000Where, like, a lot of the protesters who were trying to reason with these cops are just like, dude, we are fighting so you can get pensions.
00:43:55.000The same as a manager awarded a shitty retail job.
00:43:58.000Of course you're going to be fucking angry.
00:44:00.000I had a friend who I do jujitsu with who when we first started talking about Occupy, he's a cop.
00:44:05.000When we first started talking about Occupy, he was like, yeah, I totally support him and they have the right to be down there and blah, blah, blah.
00:44:11.000And then by the time it was like three months in, And he got dragged down and they're not making overtime and shit like that.
00:44:17.000Suddenly a kid runs behind the barrier and this guy's like, fuck that kid.
00:44:21.000I'm not even getting fucking paid what I should be getting paid for this.
00:44:32.000And it's like, well, he was on your side a couple months ago, but he's getting dicked around by his fucking bosses who don't have to be out there and who are making way more fucking money and who are like, Essentially, career politicians, not even fucking cops, you know what I mean?
00:44:46.000It's going to breed so much fucking resentment towards everyone.
00:44:51.000But in reality, it's just like, again, unless you're making billions of fucking dollars, anytime you see a protester and you scream, get a job, even though a lot of them fucking have jobs, they're teachers and nurses, and they're just not making enough money.
00:45:01.000Or they have a shred of fucking empathy, which so many people seem to lack nowadays.
00:45:06.000When you see them, it's like they're sticking up for you.
00:45:08.000They want to make sure you don't fucking have to suddenly start paying a shitload for Medicare for your grandmother.
00:45:15.000Yeah, it's putting people in a very unnatural situation and asking them to behave normally.
00:45:41.000So it's an unnatural position that most people should not be asked to be in.
00:45:46.000But I completely agree that cops should be paid a fuckload of money as should teachers.
00:45:51.000Those are two things that is a sign of a sick society.
00:45:55.000If you look at the way we spend money on foreign wars and this idea of policing places we're never gonna fucking visit that have been that way for thousands of years.
00:46:15.000If everybody just worked and used their resources the way we would want them used, if we used our resources in this country the way that people would actually vote on, if we could all vote on what percentage of money should be put on national defense, what percentage should be on education, you'd be amazed.
00:46:34.000If we could decide, you'd be amazed at how quickly things could change.
00:46:49.000The argument is that it's weakened on purpose in order to make sure that they always have a steady supply of rubes to work for them and do their bidding.
00:46:55.000I mean, you look at these poor communities.
00:46:56.000For all these people who are like, get a fucking job, you know, all these people get a job.
00:47:00.000It's like, because there haven't been jobs in their fucking community.
00:47:01.000They can't buy produce in their community.
00:47:03.000There haven't been jobs there for years except for fucking drug dealing and their dad was arrested for drug dealing so then this kid had to take care of his fucking mother, right?
00:47:11.000So then he ends up drug dealing and then fucking he goes to jail and then you get out of jail and what?
00:47:15.000You're just going to start fucking applying to Ivy League schools?
00:47:17.000You're going to look for like internships in the media business?
00:47:20.000Like of course you're going to fucking drug deal because that's the only way to put money on your – To feed your family.
00:47:26.000Yeah, people have to accept that other folks get a real bad roll of the dice and you start off on shit street.
00:47:31.000And there's not much you can do about that but imitate your atmosphere in order to try to get by in life.
00:47:35.000That is a lot of our problem in this world.
00:47:38.000It is not the children that are committing crimes that are the problem.
00:47:41.000It's how these children get into this position where they can commit crimes.
00:48:16.000You're just wasting our tax dollars doing shit the corporations want you to do because they've paid you and that's how they got you into office.
00:48:22.000Well, I mean, the heads of these corporations are paying less in taxes than all of your listeners are.
00:49:02.000And that's being ignored by the left and to a certain extent because we really do have to look at the welfare mindset because it is a terrible psychological mindset.
00:49:11.000But compare the The people you're describing are out there, for sure.
00:49:35.000But at the same time, you lose your job, for example, right?
00:49:41.000You lose your job, you lose your benefits.
00:49:45.000Back before the Affordable Care Act, which I have problems with, again, before anyone through this, before the Affordable Care Act, you couldn't re-get health insurance if, let's say you were sick, let's say you had cancer, because that was a pre-existing condition.
00:49:56.000So now you got fired, you're not getting any money, or maybe even if you are getting welfare money, but now suddenly you have to pay for your own fucking cancer treatment.
00:50:29.000They're all being raised by idiots in a terrible environment, and everyone's on welfare and food stamps, and people don't want their money to continue to go to that.
00:50:49.000I have always said, and I say it on this podcast all the time, that if you want to make the country a better place, The first thing you've got to do is make sure there's less losers.
00:50:56.000So you have to find children and give them hope.
00:50:59.000And so you've got to give a kid who, you know, has got a shit roll of the dice and give them an opportunity.
00:51:05.000And I think there's plenty of people and plenty of resources to accomplish that.
00:51:10.000And I think it should be our number one goal as Americans.
00:51:12.000If we really truly consider this a tribe, if we really are a tribe of 300 million people, We can't ignore the shittiest part of the tribe.
00:51:21.000Spending money on programs and education and having community centers and giving them a sense of community, building up a sense of community, making sure that everyone has food, okay?
00:51:31.000Taking that out of the equation so people don't have to worry about fucking starving to death.
00:51:52.000You know, like where kids can have something where they can have a positive place to put their energy and you can develop good human beings.
00:53:32.000I think, like, Chael had that quote where he was saying that, like, liberals don't – liberals don't – like, they – Something like, they hate wealthy people.
00:53:42.000It wasn't like, you know, it made it more of like, oh, we're jealous, we just don't like you for being rich.
00:54:17.000I had a couple people who, and then I'll get to the positive point, but I had a couple people who, and we have tens of thousands of liberal kids who listen to us, and maybe this was like four or five tweets, but they were so obnoxious that those were the ones I fucking focused on.
00:55:04.000There are going to be those left of left, miserable people who wouldn't be happy unless it was like, this is Citizen Radio live from a box in an alley.
00:56:39.000Because Marcus Bachman, if you don't know who he is, his wife, Michelle Bachman, at one point in time, somehow or another they thought she was going to be a Sarah Palin type character, only even nuttier.
01:00:13.000That blows my mind that religion is the one thing where you don't need I'm an atheist and when I first read the big atheist books and stuff, there was part of me that didn't want to go around and like, I don't know.
01:00:30.000There is part of you, like, when you first read something that you had no idea and you're like, "Fuck, man, I've been lied to for so long," that you do want to take it to an extreme.
01:00:36.000Or, like, if you see a kid who's like, "Merry Christmas," be like, "Fuck you, there is no Christmas, idiot," and, like, kick him over and be like, "Read Christopher Hitchens, asshole." But, like, then once you kind of calm down and, you know, you—people are going to be religious and, say, not hurt people or just because they believe in something and it makes them happier, it makes them feel whole, like, that's fine.
01:00:59.000But the fact that you can make policy without proving there's a Jesus, without proving there's a God, you can make policy That hurts actual people.
01:02:07.000I had a revelation and it became like a bit that's in my act now.
01:02:11.000But I really did have this revelation on a boat looking at some dolphins.
01:02:16.000And I was thinking of how smart dolphins are.
01:02:19.000What is it like to be a dolphin, like dolphin consciousness?
01:02:22.000I was thinking how strange it is, like being a dolphin, like the way he thinks of himself is exactly the way I think of myself.
01:02:27.000We're just trapped in different worlds.
01:02:29.000Like I can manipulate things with my fingers and he has to kill things with his face.
01:02:32.000And I thought about like, would I be him if I was a dolphin?
01:02:36.000And then I thought about people and I was like, how fuck would it be if we are literally all the same thing and that we're looking at ourselves Through different life experiences.
01:02:45.000We're looking at ourselves with different genetics.
01:02:47.000But if you were that little kid with cerebral palsy, you would be him.
01:02:52.000If you lived his life, you were born him, you would be him.
01:02:54.000And if he lived your life, he would be you.
01:02:57.000And it's like we are just a unique combination of hormones and life experiences combined with a soul and the entity, the consciousness, whatever the fuck it is, that has to go through life and make the decisions.
01:03:07.000And how crazy would it be if we could realize that we Can be happy if we treat everybody that we meet, everybody that we deal with, as if it's us living another life.
01:03:39.000I swear to God, I think that's possible.
01:03:42.000I think if you do good work, as long as we have a real economy, if we have a real market, if we really do manufacture things and create things that have merit, if we really can figure that out, if that's possible.
01:03:54.000And that's what makes it a little trickier, because...
01:03:57.000I'm not sure if we can really run a society like this without being corrupt.
01:05:13.000Because it's also easier to go after the immigrants than it is to overthrow our broken system, right?
01:05:18.000Like, if you tell someone that the election was rigged, Or that votes are being suppressed or that George Bush didn't win in 2000, they're like, I'm just going to blame Nader because that dude is fucking old and that seems easier.
01:05:47.000We need a shift in the identification of responsibility.
01:05:51.000But going back to where I totally agree with you is… You know, a lot of people think that, like, atheists are, like, these, like, weird, immoral, like, we're just, like, butt-fucking and worshiping the devil.
01:07:44.000They're just saying you need Jesus in your life if you want to marry a man.
01:07:47.000But I'm saying those motherfuckers are so miserable, the ones that have miserable marriages.
01:07:51.000I'm not saying I have a very happy marriage.
01:07:52.000If you really love marriage and if you really are upset at someone making marriage less than it should be, why don't you attack those fucking drive-thru places in Vegas where you can get married by Elvis?
01:08:06.000I mean, if you want to talk about not taking a commitment seriously, the fact that you could do it drunk.
01:08:11.000But then you have a monogamous gay couple that's been together for 10 years and have a kid, and they can't get married, so if one of them fucking is dying, the other one can't see them in the hospital bed.
01:08:19.000But that goes back to the empathy, right?
01:08:21.000That goes back to just not being a dick.
01:08:23.000Because, again, ever since then… Well, it's the idea that there's something wrong with that guy because he likes something different than you.
01:08:31.000And it's something that is, by the way, a weakness.
01:08:35.000And if you're a fucking man, you run around thinking you're some sort of a badass, and you can't understand that someone can have different desires than you, then you're a pussy, you're weak, you're confused, you're sad, or you're probably gay.
01:09:45.000I would say if you had to go to Vegas and you had to look at a good line, I think I would say the Vegas line would be that he's probably had his dick sucked by a dude.
01:09:55.000Yeah, a lot of crying and dick sucking.
01:10:00.000there are political issues that I can disagree with people on but like even though I disagree with them like I see where they're coming from where it's like okay torture you think that produces a good result and you want to protect people who may not be criminals got it like the war like you think you're protecting us you think that was like Iraq that attacked us like we can disagree and we can talk about facts and stuff like that but I get it but for someone to wake up every day and be like oh there are dudes fucking like well in And to make that their issue is crazy.
01:10:30.000Well, their defense, though, with a lot of them, they were, look, the real problem with religion is that anybody telling you absolutely they know what God wants you to do is fucking crazy.
01:10:43.000Anyone who tells you, anybody who wrote anything down, and that's not taken away from the idea that there's not some sort of a natural order to the universe, and maybe there's some sort of higher power or consciousness that is at the end of this whole crazy Yeah.
01:10:55.000But when you decide that you definitely know that this shouldn't be happening, even though the people that are doing it are enjoying it, because it's some ancient thing that God wants to stop.
01:12:08.000I think that most atheists are agnostics because like if we're going – if we're going to be technical and then I'll get back to – like if we're going to be technical, anyone who says they're 100 percent sure that there is a god or there isn't god is wrong.
01:12:19.000So, as an agnostic, I'm like, alright, so I look for evidence, and I look for science, and until that happens, I'm just gonna live like there's no God or whatever.
01:12:29.000But if right now, like, during the podcast, like, you know, something happened and God came down, I wouldn't be like, fuck, you ever read Sam Harris?
01:12:39.000Sam Harris is a friend of mine, and Sam Harris is a brilliant guy, but Sam Harris doesn't know exactly how the universe works either.
01:12:48.000But to say you're an atheist, when you see these guys who are these string theorists dudes, these guys who are working on trying to decipher the very matter that That constitutes the universe.
01:13:05.000They're trying to figure out at the very heart of it.
01:13:07.000They're finding these mathematical computations.
01:13:11.000They're finding these mathematical patterns in nature.
01:13:14.000We know that in the Fibonacci sequence, even the design of faces and sunflowers.
01:13:20.000There's an actual formula, a numerical formula to all of this, and they're not exactly sure what that means.
01:13:27.000It could mean that there's some sort of a spiritual or guiding energy or ethic at the end of the universe.
01:14:15.000I think for a lot of people it actually works as a scaffolding and then Christianity and the idea of being a good person and being a good Christian and Christian values and And treating your brother as if you were yourself, that is in the Bible, man.
01:14:30.000Well, but something that Sam has said, but I mean, there's also, you know, if you're selfish, you're gonna go to hell.
01:14:35.000Like, if you don't believe in Jesus, you'll be slain by the sword.
01:14:37.000Well, if you wear two different types of cloth, you go to hell.
01:15:18.000If they don't hate the gays because of it or think of a fucking cell as a baby or whatever, fine.
01:15:24.000But I think when you're kind of teetering, like, I've seen friends of mine And family members who have, and I've done this, who when I thought there was a God, I was less charitable.
01:15:41.000Because there was a part of me, but I was also fucking poor.
01:15:43.000But you were also, probably you were young too.
01:15:46.000Yeah, but there was also, but I would tell myself, I remember specifically like walking by people that maybe now would give money to, maybe I wouldn't, but I'd walk by someone and it'd be like, well, God will take care of it, right?
01:15:56.000Or like overseas, like, well, God won't.
01:15:58.000Let this happen, even though there have been so many wars and plagues and all this stuff.
01:16:02.000And then once I was like, you know what?
01:16:07.000I actually took all those cliches about, you know, live every day like it's your last and stuff like that.
01:16:13.000I started listening to them where I'm like, I'm just going to try to be a good person because this is probably it.
01:16:17.000And if it's not, fucking bonus, right?
01:16:19.000Like if there's a heaven and there's a God and I found out I was wrong, I'm not going to be like, fuck you, motherfucker, and like charge him, swing it.
01:16:29.000And don't get me wrong, like I... When I was on stage making fun of religion, literally on stage making fun of organized religion, I still believed in a God.
01:16:39.000Like, I remember I consider myself agnostic, but my wife was the first atheist I ever met.
01:16:43.000And so I was like, so you're agnostic?
01:17:12.000And even if you don't grow up that religious, when you grow up, even people who consider themselves an atheist, they still remember just like...
01:17:19.000I mean, threatening a child with hell?
01:17:26.000You will never feel like you're not in the way.
01:17:28.000Yeah, when you go to Catholic church and Catholic school, especially like in fucking Harrison, New Jersey, Like, this is some dark shit going on.
01:17:48.000They don't go to church, but they believe in God.
01:17:51.000And a lot of times, like, you know, they've used that sort of as an excuse for like, let's say they have like a drug relapse or an alcohol relapse.
01:17:58.000They're like, well, maybe God had another plan for me.
01:18:01.000Yeah, but just because someone uses it in a weak way doesn't discount them using it in a positive way.
01:18:06.000And that's why I'm saying, like, if you, again, if you're a good person because you're religious or you're a good person and you're an atheist, like, great, do your thing.
01:18:13.000But when it came to being agnostic, I would rather live like there is no God.
01:18:17.000And I'm like, I'm just going to try to be a good person for the right reasons.
01:18:19.000Not because I want to get fucking rewarded in heaven where I can see all my dead cats and eat pancakes or whatever the fuck people think heaven is.
01:18:26.000And not because I'm scared to burn to hell.
01:18:29.000I want people to be decent people to be decent fucking people.
01:18:36.000People don't understand that you can...
01:18:38.000Have you ever been at a party where you're hanging out with all your best friends and you're sitting by the pool, some music is playing, maybe you have a couple of drinks and everybody's having a good fucking time and everybody's being nice to each other.
01:21:00.000And what's so interesting to me, especially having a really liberal base, is sometimes, and this is when I get the most furious on Twitter, or when people are like, oh, you're a vegan, but you support human cockfighting.
01:23:16.000Tell me if we're in a real fight, because if we're in a real fight, I'm going to hit you as hard as you're hitting me, and I'm going to not get the fuck out.
01:23:37.000Fucking crazy using all their might right away, which a good guy never does.
01:23:42.000A good guy will lock up to you like maybe 30% and then you start moving with each other and he's looking for advantages, but he's not going to do anything stupid.
01:23:49.000No one kicks my ass more than Marcelo Garcia and his black belt.
01:23:53.000And I'll just do this thing where you literally feel like You're like, am I? Because it's just like Gumby arms.
01:24:00.000And you're like, am I about to get a lock up?
01:24:35.000And not only did him and the people my age and the people who were at my belt and the people who may at the time didn't know were going to be competing in my division, but they just instantly treated me like such a fucking family member.
01:24:57.000What's so funny is if people walked by that school or those lefties on Twitter or not even lefties, just people who don't get MMA, who call it a blood sport, maybe if you walked by during a sparring session, you'd be like, wow, that looks fucked up and scary because dudes are like jumping on each other's backs and driving each other into the walls and shit.
01:25:12.000But when you go in there, I'm like, there is more camaraderie there that I've experienced in comedy, that I've experienced in a lot of these liberal get-togethers.
01:25:20.000And what's so ironic and so frustrating, and maybe this goes back to maybe this is what people need to do to treat people decently, is there are people of all fucking nationalities, religious beliefs, political beliefs, strengths, weaknesses, builds, and you fucking roll with someone for the first time.
01:25:36.000If you've just met someone, you shake their hand, and you have like a killer role, like a back and forth, and like both of you almost submit, you like just escape and the bell rings, I'm hugging that dude like he's a fucking long lost relative.
01:26:11.000And they're scared of people who actively train in something where you're, you know, what you're actively trying to do is figure out a way to harm someone.
01:27:53.000Mark Maron was talking once about not being able to, when he was growing up, if he wanted his parents to instill anything in him that they did, is be able to enjoy competition.
01:28:05.000Because he said he grew up, and if he was losing a game, he wanted to flip the board over.
01:28:31.000It's like, if you don't want to get better, well then, you know, you're not going to...
01:28:36.000If you don't want to get better, then you're not going to take any chances.
01:28:40.000And if you don't take any chances, you're not going to get better.
01:28:43.000But if you take chances, you're going to fail.
01:28:44.000And you have to fail in order to learn how to move forward.
01:28:47.000Well, I was training with Keith Florian, with Kenny's brother, in Boston.
01:28:52.000And we were talking about ego and the times where you don't want to tap and stuff like that.
01:28:56.000And he was like, dude, if you're not tapping, you're not learning.
01:28:59.000And, you know, I've heard lots of jujitsu guys talk about that, and I love that.
01:29:02.000I love a culture where, like, you're encouraged to, like, take these fucking risks, and that you learn, you know, when I lost to the kid who won silver, and it was a really close match, and I lost and I was bummed out for a second and then I went over to Robert and I was like, what happened?
01:30:12.000This conservative pundit named Jonah Goldberg And Jonah Goldberg is sort of like the stereotypical fucking huge, out of shape, bully Republican, goes on every fucking news broadcast advocating that we just kill more brown people, but has never served.
01:30:32.000He really says we need to kill more brown people?
01:30:37.000Invade Afghanistan, invade all these brown-ish places.
01:30:44.000People call him on his shit, but no one really calls him on his shit.
01:30:49.000For example, he still has a career, even though Iraq and Afghanistan failed.
01:30:54.000My whole thing is if you advocate a war that has killed hundreds of thousands of people, that has killed thousands of Americans, at the very least, you should have to, when it comes to the news, sit the next war out.
01:31:06.000Like a fucking baseball player who fucked up.
01:31:08.000Just sit it out, or at least if he's going to go on TV and talk about how we need to bomb Iran under his name, it should be like, Jonah Goldberg, dude who was wrong about Iraq.
01:31:18.000You say he was wrong about Iraq, but they do Hollywood math on it, and they'll tell you that it was a success for democratic societies all over the world because we removed an evil dictator, and now they have a system in place that is far more superior.
01:35:08.000Tongue in cheek in the sense that one of two things could happen.
01:35:11.000He could be fucking crazy enough to do it, which I doubt it because, again, you look at all these war hawks and these are people who have never served in wars who are sending other kids to go die.
01:35:47.000Even if he's 100 pounds heavier than you, if you're a skilled fighter and you are and you've been training for a long time, that's not fair.
01:35:54.000Not only is it not fair, it's kind of creepy.
01:37:36.000Or even worse, you get in a fucking grueling drawn out brawl where no one can get in and he doesn't want to quit and you got to keep going.
01:37:43.000But does this make it on YouTube and get me more Twitter followers?
01:38:24.000You are putting yourself in this champion role, like you're going to step in, and you're putting so much attention on yourself with a statement like that, and it completely changes just your opinion of what you feel is wrong with his stances.
01:38:40.000And it becomes a personal thing between a man and another man who lives a different way.
01:38:45.000And it takes the attention away from the issue, and it puts the attention on you as some sort of fucking Kim Kardashian figure.
01:38:52.000And it's not the right way to approach it.
01:40:12.000I was going to make this guy change all of his views.
01:40:14.000All I wanted was finally someone just to be like, if you're going to use this violent rhetoric, just like if you're going to use this violent rhetoric in the Middle East, go fucking over there.
01:40:30.000His career was a violent rhetoric, and that was just the one where I'm like, okay, I can say I volunteer to be the socialist in the tongue-in-cheek fashion.
01:40:37.000I really think you should never do that again.
01:40:40.000Well, that wasn't going to be my bit from now on.
01:40:42.000I'm going to be the guy who challenges people with rights.
01:40:44.000The only reason why people do it is for their own ego.
01:40:46.000I mean, you're involving your own ability to do something, your own physical athleticism, in with some debate where it totally doesn't belong.
01:40:54.000When you do something like that, it becomes an almost indefensible publicity stunt.
01:40:59.000Well, it is one of those things, though, when it's like...
01:41:01.000You're introducing yourself into an argument.
01:41:03.000I mean, it's not like you're even involved in a debate with him.
01:41:09.000People have to, not to that extent I'm saying, but people have to, if there are people in the world who keep espousing violent rhetoric that does have consequences, that does lead us into wars, that does get people hurt, I'm not saying go challenge people to fights or anything like that, but sometimes you do have to do something to draw more publicity than, like if I just tweeted him and I was like, hey man, that's fucked up rhetoric, or hey, I don't think we should have gone to Iraq.
01:41:34.000It wouldn't have gotten as much of the attention as it did.
01:41:38.000Right, but it didn't accomplish anything.
01:41:40.000You're saying you came close to missing.
01:41:55.000A little bit, but at the same time, it's like, I guess I just want an answer of what to do, because I don't like that people can go on publicly and make livings with rhetoric that gets people killed.
01:42:12.000So it's like, sure, mine was a silly publicity stunt from a comedian, right?
01:42:17.000You know, did I think Jonah Goldberg would be like, oh, you know, I'm going to open up a shelter for Arabs because, you know, that vegan showed me the way, but...
01:42:24.000You didn't even act as someone who was protesting his point of view.
01:42:31.000You acted like someone who introduced yourself into the equation, your own physical prowess into the equation of, listen, if you think you're bad, I'm going to represent socialists and I'm a vegan and I'm a lefty and I'm ready to fight you.
01:42:44.000Because my rhetoric was the same hyperbolic...
01:43:30.000When you respond to one thing in particular, it better be warranted because people aren't going to take into account the history of someone's obsession for violence.
01:43:39.000But I mean, it ended like I thought it would end, where it was like...
01:43:49.000And it was just kind of like, let's just remind people that this guy who has such authority and who go on the news with such authority without people even asking follow-up questions, even being like, you said the same thing about Iraq.
01:46:02.000So, man, if you didn't like the Jonah Goldberg thing, prepare to be furious.
01:46:07.000It's always such a wild adventure on Twitter after I do your show because I get half people who I'm either friends or they will be fans for life.
01:46:15.000They're like, bro, I'm a jiu-jitsu guy and I'm really progressive and blah, blah, blah.
01:46:18.000And then there's like, hey, vegan queer homo, I work for Blackwater and I'm going to shoot you because I love rape jokes.
01:47:17.000No matter how offensive, whether it was the Dane Cook-Aurora joke, whether it was Tracy Morgan, the murdering the gay kid thing, it's just like, dude, comedy is comedy.
01:47:44.000And then I'll talk about the girl, who I also...
01:47:46.000Does not sound like she would be a lot of fun to hang out with.
01:47:51.000And so ever since kind of doing more, reading more politics than comedy...
01:47:56.000Getting involved in just different communities that weren't comedy, whether it's jiu-jitsu, whether it's politics, activism, whatever.
01:48:04.000As much as comedy, I love the art so much, it wasn't this defend to the death thing as much because I saw that the world was bigger than comedy.
01:48:14.000I think there are a lot of comics who think that this is it.
01:48:16.000It's all about the comedy community and this is all we got.
01:48:20.000No matter what we do, we have to defend our own.
01:48:24.000That's a pretty absolute stance to take in this particular situation, though.
01:48:37.000Well, you know, by saying that, you know, by having someone who's arguing already the point that comedy should, that's not what anybody's saying.
01:52:44.000She doesn't want to defend herself when she feels like she was assaulted, right?
01:52:48.000And so to me in that moment, as much as I care about comedy, you know, when I started reading...
01:52:56.000A lot of progressive blogs, when they talk about rape, there's something called a trigger warning.
01:53:00.000In the beginning of the article, it says trigger warning.
01:53:02.000And I never knew what that meant, but that means that some girls have been so fucking traumatized or guys have been so traumatized after being raped that they can't read about it.
01:53:14.000And so to me, it's like, I don't know, man, if it comes down to, and there were feminists that I went on TV with, like feminist writers who are like demonized as these humorless cunts, who were fucking quoting Sarah Silverman, the Wanda Sykes rape bit, the Carlin rape bit, you know, there are definitely ways to do it.
01:53:31.000But if there's a girl in an audience, even that girl who heckled, if she was fucking raped and even if Tosh is totally 100% kidding, which she was, and says, wouldn't it be funny if five guys rape you?
01:53:53.000And there's so much stuff with rape that you can talk about, that you can make funny.
01:53:59.000And I think that all topics in comedy should be addressed.
01:54:02.000And I think the best comedians are the ones that can address those really edgy topics.
01:54:06.000But if it's going to be like a sloppily, it would be funny if you were raped.
01:54:10.000Well, listen, man, this is not something he's constructing.
01:54:14.000He's responding to someone saying something really stupid about rape that completely limits the amount of subjects he can respond with.
01:54:20.000He has to respond with something that applies to rape.
01:54:24.000But again, I didn't, with the military, there are tons of other comics who have dealt with hecklers who have done it Well, you didn't because someone wanted to kick your ass.
01:54:34.000Someone ran up to the stage and wanted to kick your ass.
01:54:49.000And if you are that sensitive, You do not belong in a comedy club.
01:54:54.000If the word rape will send you into a fucking panic, I feel sad for you.
01:55:01.000You are very unfortunate that this has happened to you.
01:55:03.000Maybe a comedy club is not the best place for you.
01:55:05.000Maybe you should go somewhere else where it is in a 100% uncensored ride through the mind and imagination of Daniel Tosh not to be interrupted by a moron.
01:55:16.000And when that moron does interrupt with something completely non-ironic, Ridiculous.
01:56:14.000You were saying PTSD. So the hypothetical doesn't work on her.
01:56:18.000I was saying, let's say that girl was.
01:56:19.000Look, if that girl did write that in her blog, it would be a totally different blog.
01:56:23.000By warranting and justifying this moronic opinion on someone Having an ad-lib to deal with a heckler, what you're doing is you're supporting the idea that the positive idea behind not raping someone is more important than a show.
01:56:41.000It's more important that you never bring up the idea that rape can be funny.
01:56:45.000Because then you're limiting that topic.
01:56:47.000If rape can ever be funny, it can be funny for a heckler.
01:56:51.000But that's not, again, that's the opposite of what I said right now.
01:56:54.000But if rape can ever be funny, it can be funny when you know, A, someone is not being serious about it, and two, someone is talking about her rape isn't funny.
01:57:04.000If they're a heckler, if a heckler talks about rape not being that funny ever, and then the comic says, wouldn't it be funny if somebody raped her, you know he doesn't mean that.
01:57:14.000His intent is not that a bunch of people should storm and rape, but that is the correct thing for him to say.
01:57:19.000When you're dealing with a nightclub comedian and people are drinking alcohol, that would be funny.
01:57:23.000When I wrote that tweet, that was after...
01:58:06.000I was like, eh, it's another comic who's, you know, whatever.
01:58:11.000When I started getting really upset and writing the angrier tweets and writing more and more about it… Is it when you listen to people who are reading the tweets and you're like, this is a good opportunity?
01:58:50.000I was watching these bloggers who have blogged about being rape survivors, retweeting these amateur comics and people like that who thought if they fucking...
01:58:59.000Tweeted some rape survivor, fucking Daniel Tosh would be friends with them or let them open for them.
01:59:04.000They were tweeting like, I hope you get raped and just like more fucking rape threats.
01:59:08.000Right, well you introduced yourself into the argument.
01:59:10.000Again, you introduced yourself and your opinion into the argument so you were judged.
01:59:14.000You said that you feel that you would rather be heckled than contribute to rape culture.
02:00:19.000It's a piece of fiction that he's creating to deal with the environment of a stand-up comedy club where he's being forced to live ad lib.
02:00:27.000But again, when I... We started talking about rape culture.
02:00:30.000It wasn't specifically when I half-heartedly retweeted the Gawker article about Taj.
02:00:35.000It was about the responses that people started to get that were so violent What were they saying?
02:00:58.000That just, like, wrote a piece about it and, like, would contrast, like, what Tosh said to, like, the Wanda Sykes rape joke or the Carlin rape joke.
02:01:04.000And, like, they analyzed it because that's their job.
02:01:06.000You know how fucking dumb they have to be to actually analyze that?
02:02:53.000And if you've been through a certain thing in your life, if you've been threatened with rape or if you have been raped or if you've been assaulted or if you live in a culture where a lot of fucking girls are raped that you have to think about walking home by yourself and shit like that, maybe that shit's not as funny to you.
02:03:19.000I'm just saying that if I were given the choice, not in this toss situation because everything I wrote and – You said – dude, you criticized it and said that you sometimes are embarrassed of your gender.
02:04:27.000You saying that, that I should be able to recognize her verbally, why don't you recognize it with Tosh saying you should be raped by five people?
02:04:48.000I'm voicing my opinion that if I had the choice between there's a fucking rape survivor there who could get a triggered flashback or talk about rape in a different way because, again, I don't think it's fucking funny.
02:05:01.000I've already burned the comedy bridges.
02:05:02.000You might as well go all the way with it.
02:05:49.000Armed robbery, car robbery, everything is horrible.
02:05:53.000It doesn't mean that just because it exists, you can never talk about it because out of fear that someone in the audience may have experienced it.
02:06:01.000When someone gets fucking murdered, you're not like, what was he wearing before he got murdered?
02:06:20.000When you're joking around on stage, especially in a situation where Tosh did, where it's a complete ad lib, for you to analyze it in that way and come up with he's contributing to rape culture is preposterous.
02:06:45.000And I don't think that Daniel Tosh wanted that girl to get raped, right?
02:06:50.000But I just don't give a shit about comedy enough that if I'm on stage and I say something that could cause someone in the audience or multiple people in the audience because I'm not doing it in a way that's attacking, I don't know, like a higher – like no one is sitting around being like, you know who's had it too good for too long?
02:07:35.000That would be so funny if she got her face bitten off by a chimp.
02:07:39.000We don't fucking live in a world where women are afraid to go to the police to report a fucking chimp incident because they're going to be like, well, did you used to fuck the chimp?
02:07:45.000Were you drinking when you were getting together with the chimp?
02:10:13.000And if it comes down to a fucking dude who was not censored, who still has his number one show on Comedy Central, who still plays at the club, no one...
02:11:08.000Listen, man, if you say that he's contributing to rape culture by saying that with his mouth, by joking around in a way that absolutely we all know he wasn't serious, five guys are just going to jump out and rape better.
02:12:03.000This idea that he is somehow or another contributing to that by even mentioning the word rape.
02:12:07.000You can't stop someone from being a fucking idiot.
02:12:10.000And by not saying a joke about a subject doesn't keep other morons from using that subject whenever they freely want.
02:12:18.000It's just it comes up at any time they're allowed to have their reactions and start saying, oh, I'm going to fucking rape you, bitch.
02:12:25.000That doesn't mean you should never talk about rape.
02:12:27.000And so for you to say that in that moment he shouldn't bring it up because he's contributing to a bunch of fucking apes yelling rape at women on Twitter or Facebook or whatever, they're completely unrelated.
02:12:39.000Those dudes would not have done it if there wasn't so much fucking support.
02:12:42.000No, those dudes would not have done it if there wasn't a fucking blog written by some one woman who all of a sudden everybody and you had to comment on.
02:12:49.000And then it becomes a part of the national discourse.
02:12:51.000It's the same shit where it's like it's her fucking fault.
02:13:01.000A diarrhea of the mouth blog about it where she didn't take any personal accountability for interrupting a show with a fucking rabid stand-up comedian in mid-stride in his fucking prime on stage in Hollywood on a Friday night or a Saturday night, whatever the fuck it was.
02:13:36.000And how many of these people that unreported, like the one out of seven or whatever people, you know, didn't report it because they had orgasms?
02:13:43.000There could be some kind of weird fucking number like that in there that just totally voids the whole number anyway.
02:13:55.000Jamie, I think if anything makes people say stupid shit like I hope you get raped, it's when people stand up for someone who says something like rape should never be talked about.
02:14:08.000Or like rape shouldn't have been discussed.
02:15:22.000Luckily, a lot of your people who are mad at me, I checked my Twitter, they're not putting a period before my name, so it's only going to me.
02:15:31.000It's like, Jamie Kilstein, hey everyone, you're an idiot.
02:15:35.000Oh, they have to put a period before you, otherwise it only goes, yeah.
02:15:38.000I think they want to talk to you, dude.
02:17:21.000So she'd be a photo of her with a red line across her face until you can come in and explain to us that you're sorry, that you didn't understand how he was joking around about how nothing can be funny about rape, and you just...
02:17:33.000Blurted it out because you're a self-righteous dummy who thinks that you should be able to espouse your politically correct opinions at any fucking time they're warranted in your silly little fucking dumb mind, including hijacking a fucking comedy club, you're not capable of handling a comedy club.
02:18:01.000It's not like we should nerf the world to make it safe for everybody.
02:18:04.000If you don't enjoy someone talking about controversial shit, you certainly shouldn't go to an adult nightclub that's doing stand-up comedy.
02:18:11.000Or a guy like Daniel fucking Tosh, who has one of the most edgy shows on TV, period, is doing his stand-up.
02:18:17.000And he makes a joke because you heckle.
02:18:19.000And that joke happens about what you heckled about.
02:18:57.000But again, like, you thought it was, you know, and we were talking about how good it is when people stand up and protest these fucking politicians and stuff.
02:20:56.000She's not telling the truth because she's omitting a very important part of why he said that to her and she's doing that to make her point make more sense.
02:21:05.000She omitted the fact that he was saying, oh yeah, rape is real funny.
02:21:17.000Then don't talk about it if you don't know the full story.
02:21:20.000So Liz Winstead interjected, or rather edited, the actual reality of the conversation and cut out the part where he was detailing what is not funny about rape to make it seem like what he did was more insensitive.
02:21:34.000If she said, I guarantee you, if someone said rape and then, you know, he said, you know, a woman said actually rape was never funny, and he said, well, wouldn't it be funny if five guys raped her right now?
02:21:49.000If she's self-righteously yelling out, actually, rape is never funny, it's right for him again to say, wouldn't it be funny if she got raped by five people?
02:22:18.000And her saying that it's not a joke is ridiculous.
02:22:22.000And I have a Liz Winstead story from when I was an open-miker that I'd like to share with you.
02:22:26.000This is where it gets really interesting.
02:22:28.000When I was an open-miker, and I was not that good a comedian, I was fucking two or three times on stage, and Liz Winstead already had been on HBO, and she was hosting an open-mic night.
02:22:39.000And I'm not trying to hold her to the fire for this, okay?
02:24:59.000And I said, Liz, don't you get enough fucking attention?
02:25:02.000I go, you go on stage every night, you have this HBO special, you're a national headliner, and yet you can't let an open-miker have five minutes to try to say whatever the fuck they want to say.
02:26:02.000It becomes you enforcing your ideology on other people And you, it's not about being fair and right and running a just happy society where people are allowed creative differences.
02:26:12.000No, it's about you enforcing your own ego and bullshit on other people.
02:26:16.000Yeah, and I mean it was one of those things where like...
02:26:19.000Let's listen to the rest of what she has to say.
02:26:23.000And then the club owner issued a statement, and I find this very interesting, especially when talking about it from a comics lens, and he said that Daniel Tash got on stage and said, what would you guys like to talk about?
02:26:34.000Now that opens up a conversation with your audience.
02:26:44.000Wasn't it like the equivalent of if there was one black guy in the room and he had said, you know, wouldn't it be funny if everybody just lynched that guy right now?
02:26:50.000Because it's not so much a joke as it is an attack on that person because he was obviously angry at that person.
02:27:47.000You honestly never have, because I've told you that I don't think that he contributes to raping people, and you're saying that you didn't say that.
02:27:54.000I do not think he contributes to raping people.
02:27:56.000But you're saying that he contributes to rape culture, and I'm saying, what the fuck is that then?
02:28:00.000Well, and that's what I was telling you.
02:28:01.000It's the fact that we live in a culture where women who have been raped aren't allowed to, the way we're saying it, go to comedy clubs because they might get offended.
02:28:10.000And I'm saying that I think that that sort of sucks for them considering they were fucking raped and now they have to watch where they go.
02:28:18.000You're going to have to take away every single thing that people have been victimized from and take it out of the vocabulary and the vernacular of comedy then.
02:28:25.000Because then everything, like I've been beat up before.
02:29:19.000It's not about us and like, oh, you know, our wife was murdered or our wife was raped.
02:29:23.000It's about like the victim of the crime.
02:29:25.000And like with rape, you have to live with that shit forever.
02:29:28.000I mean, that is such a violent fucking act that, you know, people use that.
02:29:32.000You saying that rape is worse than murder is so fucking crazy because rape is horrible for the person that gets raped.
02:29:39.000Murder is horrible for the person who dies and everyone who loves them too who will never see them again because they don't exist because someone stopped their fucking life.
02:31:03.000If somebody wrote a blog and the blog was written by a fat man, a dumb man that you don't want his love and he believes in the Confederate flag, and what if he wrote a blog about that?
02:33:29.000I want to find out what the fuck went wrong that he dehumanized people to the point where his sexual needs or power needs or whatever the fuck like that supersedes his need to complement his...
02:33:39.000Fellow humans, to be a part of humanity and culture.
02:34:43.000You keep bringing up hypothetical justifications.
02:34:45.000And I'm saying that you can't do that, man.
02:34:47.000And I'm saying you know that they're both just jokes.
02:34:49.000That a guy joking around about, wouldn't it be funny if that guy got murdered, is the same as someone saying, wouldn't it be funny if that guy got raped?
02:37:22.000But that also means when someone who is a non-rapist and non-violent like Daniel Tosh is at a comedy club and he makes a joke about rape, he shouldn't be fucking chastised by these dummies on the air.
02:37:33.000This nonsense that you're hearing from Liz Winstead, it's just so silly.
02:38:15.000What you could have really said was, rape, I mean, this is what I said when I would, I would say you should think what I think, but what I, my point of view was that, yeah, rape isn't funny, but that was funny because he didn't rape anybody.
02:40:28.000But I don't want to deal with censorship either, and it's like, I mean, the thing is, it's like, me and you have debated before, and it's not.
02:40:50.000I found your opinion to be a little self-involved, and I felt like there's a certain thing that some people do When they get on Twitter where they say things because they know that they're going to get a bunch of people agreeing with them.
02:41:03.000And they're not necessarily making sense.
02:41:18.000You're communicating with people who already love you.
02:41:21.000When you're saying things that you want people who already love you and you know how they feel about things like that, when you start saying shit like it's supporting rape culture, you know who you're talking to.
02:41:30.000I'm shitty at business, but if you thought that I thought this was going to work out, this was going to be a lot of fucking fun to deal with on Joe's podcast, I know who follows me on Twitter.
02:41:43.000I wasn't, like, ecstatic about it, but that doesn't mean that the only reason I'm not going to defend something that I believe in is because I don't want to piss off my friends.
02:42:45.000He disagrees with it vehemently and believes that you have done something...
02:42:48.000So clearly I did not take the popular stance.
02:42:49.000It's not just that you didn't take the popular stance.
02:42:52.000You didn't take the stance that comes from the people that do the job and know how difficult it is to do an ad-lib scenario like what Tosh was doing.
02:43:01.000And to have someone non-ironically shout out, actually, rape is never funny, while he was talking about how rape isn't funny.
02:43:07.000But again, now we're getting back to defending the heckler.
02:43:09.000I'm not defending the fucking heckler.
02:44:11.000Not the word, not the fucking culture, not the rape scenarios or whatever about like specifically like the punchline is the person who's raped.
02:46:09.000Even though we disagree, I think you're a great guy.
02:46:12.000We can all have our differences of opinions on things.
02:46:16.000I know I got a little aggressive with you here and held you to the fire, but in no way is it that I disrespect you or don't like you or like hanging out with you or talking to you.
02:46:25.000It's a tricky situation and it's a very passionate one to me.
02:46:48.000Folks, tomorrow night, or tomorrow day, Andrew motherfucking Dice Clay, Thursday, Everlast, what?
02:46:56.000Shit's getting crazy here at the Ice House, and of course, Friday night, we will have the Ice House Chronicles, which, just listen to the lineup we just said, Greg Fitzsimmons, Dom Irera, Joey Diaz, Brian Redband.