In this episode of the Joe Rogan Experience Podcast, Joe and Brian talk about AlphaBrain, supplements, and how they got started in the fitness industry. Joe talks about how he got into supplements and why he thinks they re a good idea.
00:00:06.000This is getting boring saying this way every time.
00:00:12.000Listen, what I like most about this podcast is it has no professionalism to it whatsoever.
00:00:18.000So when I have to say the same shit over and over again, I feel like I'm being a professional and I feel like I'm not doing myself a service.
00:00:39.000It's a cognitive enhancing supplement.
00:00:42.000It is a supplement that has a bunch of the very best nutrients to support neurochemistry.
00:00:49.000And the idea is that your body essentially runs on nutrients.
00:00:54.000It's what you need to have everything functioning optimally.
00:00:58.000But you can adjust those levels and add things, and you can get benefits from it.
00:01:02.000And alpha brain to me is, I am fucking, I'm lost without it.
00:01:08.000If I don't have it, I really do kind of freak out.
00:01:11.000I've had people say that it's a placebo effect, and I say you're fucking crazy because it gives me these most incredibly vivid dreams that I never used to have before.
00:01:19.000And, you know, I think everybody's different.
00:01:22.000I don't know how sensitive you are to your body, but I'm very sensitive.
00:01:26.000I'm very sensitive to what's working, what's not working, how I feel when I take fish oil, how I feel when I don't take fish oil.
00:02:39.000And all the information on any of these things, I don't want to go too in-depth because people complain that these commercials take too long.
00:02:47.000What we're trying to do it on is sell you the very best shit possible as cheap as we can.
00:02:52.000And to make it as easy as possible, so we have a 100% money-back guarantee on your first order of 30 vitamins, 30 pills, whether it's Alpha Brain or New Mood, which is a 5-HTP, an L-tryptophan supplement that actually boosts your mood.
00:03:07.000It actually boosts your serotonin levels.
00:03:09.000And there's a lot of science behind this stuff, but it's very controversial.
00:03:13.000So if you're interested at all in nootropics, I suggest that you Google the word, nootropics, and just read on the pros and cons.
00:03:21.000But to me, vitamins are a very important part of my life.
00:03:24.000I think supplementing has made me a healthier person with a body that functions better.
00:03:42.000Yeah, we did some emails back and forth, and Steve is totally down.
00:03:47.000So we're going to do, he's going to, what we're going to do is I'm going to have Steve put me through one of his brutal workouts, and people at home will be able to do it along with him.
00:03:57.000And I'm trying to do it for two, because, first of all, people keep asking me to do one of these.
00:04:02.000And second of all, because I think people could really benefit from kettlebells.
00:04:07.000I think it's a more interesting way to work out.
00:04:20.000To really get like real benefits that you see when you roll, when you do jiu-jitsu, I feel like you have to do something really difficult.
00:04:28.000You have to do either powerlifting, you have to do cleans and presses, you have to do squats, you have to do deadlifts.
00:04:34.000If you want to like really get a benefit, you have to do that or you got to do something like kettlebells.
00:04:39.000And what I like about kettlebells is you develop amazing core strength because you're essentially balancing this fucking cannonball and moving it around.
00:04:49.000And it makes your body work intelligently as one unit.
00:04:53.000And I think using your body to lift weights as one unit instead of isolating areas, to me shows the best benefits athletically.
00:07:01.000It just sounds so ridiculous to talk about your supporters and campaigning and all this.
00:07:06.000But it's cool in a way because I used to be the guy who would just watch TV and be so angry that all of these dumbasses have been in for 20 years and are legislating terrible stuff.
00:07:15.000So I would just write articles about it and do YouTube videos about it.
00:07:19.000And then a number of things happened and I actually had an opportunity to run.
00:08:51.000It's just something come out of your mouth.
00:08:53.000It's almost to me, it's like that's the beginnings of all censorship.
00:08:57.000The beginnings of all ignorance is this idea that we have bad words.
00:09:02.000It's almost like if you can convince people, like if everybody agrees that there's bad words, we all agree there's words you should never say in certain company.
00:09:10.000If you do that, that's a step one on the way to be full of shit.
00:10:02.000Do you feel like you need people on your team?
00:10:05.000Well, I mean, I have a lot of Republican and a lot of Democratic supporters, and obviously a lot of independents and libertarian-minded.
00:10:11.000But they're not supporting me because of what I believe metaphysically, whatever that may be.
00:10:16.000They're supporting me just because I want to protect the Constitution and defend the Bill of Rights.
00:10:20.000And for most people, that's enough right there.
00:10:22.000And if you believe in those things, you know that my personal beliefs are kind of irrelevant.
00:10:27.000As long as I'm not a member of the League of Shadows or something, you know, and like, as long as your religion isn't harmful to anybody, it doesn't matter if you're an atheist or if you're a skeptic or secular or, you know, extremely, what's the word, extremely devout.
00:10:42.000That shouldn't really matter when you're representing your district.
00:11:16.000If you know people that are Mormons and you see how much they help each other when there's any sort of a crisis or one family has, how much they chip in, it's a beautiful community.
00:11:27.000Even if it's based on nonsense, it's a beautiful community.
00:11:31.000But you should be able to do whatever the fuck you want as long as you're nice.
00:11:56.000Well, I mean, personal beliefs, once you start telling somebody what they can believe and what they can't believe in terms of religion, you're jumping a huge slippery.
00:12:08.000I think the idea is we should be as honest as possible about everything, about all your own personal beliefs on religion.
00:12:16.000We should all be as honest as possible.
00:12:18.000And I think we would come to a remarkable middle ground if we took away all the ideology.
00:12:25.000I think we would come to, if we all got together, if the whole world could speak one language and we sat down and talked about religion, I think we would form remarkably similar opinions if we were really honest about what the fuck happens when you die and about who has created this earth.
00:12:43.000Well, that's the, I'm definitely not religious, but people have asked me, somebody online on Google Plus actually asked me, he was like, do you believe in God?
00:12:56.000And first of all, he was posting a comment on a thread that had nothing to do with that.
00:13:00.000I was writing something about censorship or like internet censorship, and this is his question.
00:13:04.000Totally like hijacking what we're talking about.
00:13:06.000But I wanted to answer him, and I said, you know, I believe in a higher power because I really don't want to believe that we're the most advanced thing in the universe.
00:13:12.000Like, this iPhone over there is the most high-tech, incredible thing invented in the whole universe.
00:13:25.000And if you look at where we are now, atheists want you to believe that we came from kind of like toxic sludge billions of years ago washing up on the shore in a kind of pre-oxygenated earth or whatever the details are.
00:13:39.000And I'd like to think that there's more to life than that.
00:13:54.000You know, I think a lot of us would like to think there's something out there that's smarter than us.
00:14:00.000I think the real issue is ego, is that the human ego is aware of itself.
00:14:07.000And I think when a person's aware of themselves, when you start thinking of yourself and you want to keep yourself alive, you start looking at yourself very selfishly and unobjectively.
00:14:17.000You start looking at yourself like you're super, super fucking important.
00:14:21.000You know, I think if we could get past that and you looked at life and intelligence, you would say, well, why does it have to be coming out of the mouth of some thing that can move around?
00:14:33.000Why am I assuming that that's the only intelligence?
00:14:36.000How do I not know that there's not intelligence in stars?
00:14:39.000How do I not know that there's intelligence?
00:14:40.000There could be hyperintelligence all around us.
00:14:44.000We're not capable of hearing its frequency.
00:14:47.000We're not capable of communicating with it.
00:14:49.000Why does this bag of blood and cells and nerve endings and electrical impulses, why does this make noise with its mouth and change the world?
00:17:20.000They offered to change my flight for no fee.
00:17:22.000So I flew out a day early just because you want to be stuck in that.
00:17:25.000Even if there is nothing big, airlines will cancel your flights just out of caution.
00:17:30.000You know, I flew on Southwest the other day and I just wanted to sleep.
00:17:34.000And the whole time they played games on the intercom and like trivia games with everyone, they're like, now press your button, that ding button, you know, like the help me button.
00:17:43.000It seemed totally illegal because like what if somebody really needed help, like a heart attack and there's all these people dinging and they're like, no, I'm having a heart attack, you know?
00:17:50.000But Southwest, I don't like those games.
00:17:52.000Like I remember one time, I don't want to like single out and say it was definitely Southwest because I don't want to be sued.
00:17:58.000But I'm like 99% sure it was Southwest.
00:18:40.000Speaking of which, Virgin America, I was pretty impressed with, I don't know how they were able to do this legally, but everybody was young and had a good attitude.
00:18:48.000And that's like my euphemism for hot women.
00:19:55.000It was also so cold, and I was like, can I please have a blanket?
00:19:58.000And they're like, we don't have blankets.
00:20:00.000And I'm like, all right, so I had to make one of those things where you take your arms and put it inside your shirt and then just make a cocoon and bundle up in a corner because it was so freezing on the plane while they were doing this.
00:20:11.000How healthy could it be being a pilot?
00:20:13.000You just flying up and blasted by radiation.
00:20:17.000Blasted by radiation in front of a window.
00:22:23.000You can't trust what was in a book that was written by people who were deciphering it from several other different languages also, by the way.
00:23:08.000There's no way you can spread information on the back of animal hides for a thousand years and have that shit come out perfect.
00:23:15.000You gotta let that 6,000-year thing go.
00:23:18.000Well, it's wild that just like 400 years ago, people really thought that, or I don't know if they thought this, they were told that the Earth was the center of the universe.
00:23:27.000And you know these people were not any dumber than we are today, like biologically the same brain.
00:23:33.000And people were doing smart stuff back then.
00:23:35.000But they had to like buy into this collective bullshit.
00:23:38.000Like, oh yeah, it is, we're definitely the center of the universe, even though we know that's not the case.
00:23:42.000And back then, if you said something, if you came out with some new information that showed that the current model was completely false, they would put you in jail or kill you.
00:24:31.000That kind of confidence is so ridiculous.
00:24:34.000Well, it might have been lack of confidence, actually, because if you acknowledge that, okay, you guys are right, the earth is just this insignificant thing in a much bigger picture, then maybe people go, well, what about the Pope?
00:24:44.000Do we still have to pay homage to them, or could that be a typo also, you know?
00:24:49.000That's one of the most ridiculous things ever that foreign dignitaries and presidents and prime ministers, they have to sit down and meet with the fucking Pope.
00:24:59.000They have to sit down and meet with this cult leader who's dressed like a wizard in a Star Wars episode.
00:25:06.000I mean, it's the most ridiculous idea ever that this guy should still be dressing like this in 2012 and we should still pretend that he's holy.
00:25:16.000We should still pretend that he's got the Willy Wonka golden ticket to Jesus' fucking factory fuckhouse.
00:26:08.000To me, it's crazy to think that we're the only intelligence just because we can clearly communicate with each other but can't communicate with other things.
00:26:16.000Yeah, that's like how they test for intelligence in schools with the SAT test.
00:26:20.000So you get somebody who's good at memorizing facts and filling out bubbles, and it doesn't account at all for that person who's truly a genius at painting or at designing websites or doing things that are ultimately much more lucrative than filling out a bubble test.
00:27:07.000They put together the plants in the right place, and they arrange the flowers perfectly and cut everything.
00:27:13.000And it creates this really nice aesthetic.
00:27:15.000Like when a guy does your front lawn, and there's a guy across the street from my house who has like little gnomes and shit, puts all these little things in front of it.
00:27:24.000I mean, he's creating like a little work of art out there.
00:28:27.000And if they encounter somebody who's not on that same thought process of, I wonder what my annual salary this year is going to be, then they're confused.
00:28:36.000Like, wait a second, why aren't you maximizing your available work hours?
00:28:58.000Like the TSA, for example, whenever I rant about them on Twitter or on one of my articles on Business Insider, I get a couple of people who always say, they're just doing their jobs.
00:30:51.000It's one of the only, for a lot of people, it's one of the only times where you meet the federal government face to face, representative of the federal government.
00:30:57.000And it's normally not a pleasant encounter.
00:31:47.000The first terrible thing is that we have to worry about someone pulling a stunt like that dude did when he tried to light his underwear on fire.
00:32:07.000If we're going to just stick with the official story and not delve into alternative possibilities, which are definitely possibilities based on the research I've done.
00:32:15.000But if you're going with the official story, this took them years to plan out.
00:32:20.000And it worked not because they were geniuses.
00:32:22.000It worked because it's like running up to the biggest kid on the playground and just unexpectedly kicking him in the nuts.
00:32:28.000Like, that's going to work because he's not expecting It.
00:32:30.000It's not going to work a second time or a third time, but they did something that was totally unexpected, and that's why it worked.
00:32:37.000Not because they were brilliant masterminds.
00:32:39.000And then they tried something completely different, the underwear bomb or the shoe bomb.
00:32:45.000Next time, we shouldn't even be looking at airports.
00:32:47.000Honestly, the next threat is going to be something, whatever it is, I would put my money on being something completely different from that.
00:32:54.000Yeah, and then the idea is that the more rights they take away from us, the less likely that is to happen.
00:35:16.000No, like, right now we're actually trying to build national awareness, so it does involve a lot of internet stuff and doing TV shows and local radio shows.
00:35:24.000And that's the best way to hit people.
00:35:25.000Like, it makes you sound like you're lazy when you're like, I just do that.
00:35:30.000But I mean, we also go out and talk to actual people and shake hands and all that stuff.
00:35:34.000But you do that, you're exhausted by the end of the day.
00:35:41.000You've made a difference of now 20 people know who you are versus like somebody's like, you want to do a radio show and like, you know, they call your cell phone and you lie and say it's a landline because they call your cell phone and you talk to some dude for 10 minutes and you're like, okay, now 10,000 people in this area know about my campaign.
00:35:58.000That's a hell of a lot better than shaking hands with the crazy people.
00:36:34.000I don't think they'll have me on because I've trashed them so many times on Twitter.
00:36:37.000But there are a couple of cable networks that like me and have me on, and they're like my lifeblood for getting word out about this stuff, you know?
00:36:43.000What is your main beef with mainstream news?
00:36:48.000What is the main problem you have with it?
00:36:54.000Like, they'll be like, we have controversial new tweets from Justin Bieber after the break.
00:37:00.000You're like, this is really Fox News, or this is really MSNBC, you know?
00:37:04.000Or like, Paul Ryan's budget plan might affect us in 10 years.
00:37:07.000And you're like, okay, that's fine for a segment, but what about covering the massive protests that are happening around the country that I have to tune into on some live stream site that somebody sends me in an email?
00:37:17.000And I see people not much older and not much younger than me getting the shit kicked out of them, especially girls for some reason.
00:39:25.000You type in protest and you see real articles about what's happening.
00:39:29.000So it's a better way to get your information.
00:39:31.000Do you think what's happening is that because of the spread of information through the internet, we've realized how they've done business as usual the whole time.
00:39:38.000They have denied attention to a lot of really important things, but we didn't have any other way to get the information out.
00:39:46.000Like if there's something happening in the Congo, like I didn't know anything about Liberia until I watched A Vice Guide to Liberia.
00:41:23.000For a lot of people, like, if you can pay your rent and you can watch 100 channels online or on cable, you're constantly entertained.
00:41:31.000And as long as you're not starving and as long as you're not bored, you're not going to go out in the streets and protest losing your right to a trial or losing any of these things that we've lost over the past eight months.
00:41:41.000And that's what a lot of people don't realize, this National Defense Authorization Act that got passed, which is what really is, is an act of treason.
00:41:48.000I mean, you could think of no other way to describe it.
00:41:53.000Like, if in the 60s or the 70s, if the people found out that, oh, by the way, Kennedy drafted something that would take away your right to a trial and allow him to imprison you on suspicion alone for the rest of your life, people would be like, what?
00:42:42.000And it just shows you how when people are in power, when they're in positions of power, they do everything they possibly can to hold it.
00:42:48.000And when you sense a trend of this, the trend is information is coming in and people are having much more access to all sorts of things.
00:42:56.000And ultimately, the internet is going to represent how people communicate and how people express anything, whether it's voting, whether it's deciding.
00:43:08.000We should be able to figure out how to make each human being have a bio-identifiable characteristic, whether it's looking in their eyes or registering their finger.
00:43:17.000Everybody should have that shit on their fucking laptop.
00:43:19.000And we should all be able to vote online, because then things would be a whole lot different.
00:43:23.000That is the future, and they don't have that yet.
00:43:42.000And I have a theory that I've never said anywhere else before.
00:43:45.000But you were talking about how they're taking away rights.
00:43:48.000People are kind of wising up and they're no longer tolerating it because information's getting out.
00:43:53.000I wouldn't stake my reputation on this, but my theory is that it got to the point with Bush, eight years of Bush, to where they knew that the people just were not having it anymore.
00:45:47.000But then I went on the White House website on whitehouse.gov, where they have to publish the executive orders word for word.
00:45:53.000I read through it and I was like, whoa, this makes no sense.
00:45:55.000He's claiming powers that no president should claim.
00:45:58.000The ability to nationalize whole companies or nationalize industries and take personal property and land and really take and do whatever his administration wants.
00:46:09.000All they have to do is claim they're preparing for a national emergency.
00:46:12.000There doesn't have to be proof that there's a national emergency on the way.
00:46:16.000There doesn't actually have to be a national emergency.
00:46:18.000The national emergency can just be him declaring that there might be one.
00:46:22.000The national emergency could be the threat of terrorism.
00:46:39.000It's like when there's not a single violent person on the earth who ever commits a crime or turns to violence against innocent people, then we'll stop detaining people without a trial.
00:48:02.000Why do we have a judicial branch if you're not going to use it?
00:48:05.000But the idea that you would allow someone to sign a law that says they can incarcerate United States citizens without recourse of any form.
00:50:08.000I would like to see that much more than I would like to see us go into foreign countries and invade their soil.
00:50:13.000But I think what's really scary to me is that people are allowed to make these decisions without the will of the American people behind them.
00:50:22.000Part of this was literally drafted behind closed doors.
00:51:37.000Plaintiffs, including a former war correspondent Chris Hedges, who used to work at the New York Times, and Daniel Ellsberg, who leaked the Pentagon Papers.
00:51:51.000They filed a court case thinking with the intention of blocking this because they said that NDAA could basically endanger their safety and the safety of any journalist.
00:52:00.000You know, if the government doesn't want you talking about something, let's just detain him without a trial.
00:53:22.000The cops and the soldiers, those aren't the people pulling the fucking strings.
00:53:27.000The people that are going to have to do the arresting, whether it's military police or whether it's regular police, those are just fucking citizens with jobs.
00:53:47.000When I have trouble with the TSA, well, now that I'm running for Congress, it's a little bit better because if they harass me too much, they're actually interfering with the democratic process.
00:53:57.000They're making it so that I can't catch my flight and can't go to a fundraiser or can't go to a media interview.
00:54:10.000What I worry about is what I actually experience every time, which is I politely opt out of the new screeners because those give off radiation and they've been banned in Europe.
00:54:19.000The European Union has banned this kind of scanner because they don't know the long-term health effects of shooting radiation into your body, backscatter radiation.
00:54:28.000It's a different form of radiation than chest x-rays, I believe.
00:54:32.000I'm not an expert on this, but it's different because it's doing a different thing.
00:54:35.000It's taking a photo of basically the outside of you instead of just blasting right through your body to show your bones on an x-ray.
00:54:42.000So as a result, it's a different kind of radiation.
00:54:44.000And so anyway, these machines freak me out to the point where I don't want my testicles going through that every single time I get on a flight.
00:54:52.000So I politely opt out, and there's a sign right there that says, if you'd like to opt out, let us know.
00:55:08.000They say, we have an opt-out, stand over there.
00:55:10.000And then travelers behind you see that going on.
00:55:13.000And they're like, shit, I'm not going to opt out.
00:55:15.000I'm just going to go through this thing.
00:55:16.000And I'm going to let my kids go through it, too.
00:55:18.000I think that's what they're trying to get.
00:55:19.000Yeah, no, and then you get the invasive pat down, where you have to put your arms up by your sides, and you put your arms down after a couple minutes because you're tired, and you've just been on a long, or you're about to get on a long flight.
00:57:21.000It was like eight and a half minutes long, professionally produced, where they interviewed the NSA whistleblower, who everybody's kind of heard something about, but you don't know his actual, you know, what he's saying happened.
00:58:01.000And he's about as high up as you can get.
00:58:04.000And so he says that after 9-11, the NSA went from using their incredible power to monitor stuff overseas, which is their mandate to do that, tap into satellite phones and tap in overseas internet traffic and all that stuff.
00:58:20.000They went from doing that to turning this incredible surveillance weapon against our own people.
00:58:26.000And it became a full-blown effort to record pretty much Everything that we're doing here in the U.S. And that includes every citizen who has access to the internet or a cell phone.
00:58:38.000And the way they get around this, because it appears to be blatantly unconstitutional, the Fourth Amendment, against unreasonable searches and seizures, they have an interpretation from what the whistleblower was saying in this video or from the article.
00:58:52.000They have an interpretation that we're not actually violating your Fourth Amendment rights because we're only taking this information in and storing it in our databases.
00:59:00.000We're not actually, there's nobody with a pair of headphones and a computer screen in front of them who's watching you type every email and actually looking through all of your stuff.
00:59:11.000The problem with that is it's saved and it's tied to your name.
00:59:15.000And all they have to do, it's not a big logical leap to think, if you're running for Congress, you might be running on a platform where you want to defund some of these programs, they go, let's look into this guy, you know?
00:59:28.000They type in your name, and they suddenly see all of your emails, all of your phone calls, all of your associations, because that's part of what it does.
00:59:34.000It does threading and shows your community, who you talk to online, who you call on your cell phone.
00:59:40.000Supposedly that's what this thing is capable of.
00:59:42.000So it shows them all this information, and they can cherry-pick.
00:59:45.000Maybe they go through an email from three years ago where jokingly I said with a friend, yeah, dude, fuck the U.S. You know, and then they just quote that.
00:59:54.000They go, should this guy be running for Congress, you know, and like bring bogus charges against you?
00:59:59.000There are so many ways they can screw you over when they have access to all of your information.
01:00:03.000And so people out there go, they're not watching me.
01:00:50.000You might be profiting off of it, but it's horrible for your life.
01:00:54.000That's the only ray of, really the only ray of light here is that this program is so vast and Orwellian, to be honest, if what this whistleblower says is true, it's so vast that it's also archiving information on senators and representatives and FBI agents, people at the very top of government.
01:01:13.000And those people don't really want that.
01:01:15.000They don't want for some agency that's basically unaccountable to be able to screw them over at any point in the future.
01:01:22.000So I think that's kind of the thing there that might save us in the end, is that some powerful people in DC might say, wait a second, this is totally ridiculous.
01:01:30.000Well, I had always said that at the end of this technology connection that we have, it's going to rush upon us so quickly that you're not even going to know what hit you.
01:01:41.000And then at a certain point in time, there will be no more privacy.
01:01:51.000The government knows what I'm walking around on the sidewalk, and I better not be committing a crime against anybody else.
01:01:56.000But in exchange, I want to see where our money's going.
01:01:59.000I want to see why we need to still be in Afghanistan.
01:02:01.000I want to see why you're funding a multi-billion dollar storage facility in Utah, which the NSA is going to be using to store all this data.
01:03:16.000And this is in Bluffdale, Utah, for folks that are looking at home or just looking at some frozen landscape.
01:03:21.000And it says, following 9-11, the National Security Agency began a top-secret surveillance program to spy on U.S. citizens without warrants.
01:03:28.000Code named Stellar Wind or the program to insiders, the full scope of the surveillance has not been made public.
01:03:55.000He is regarded as one of the best mathematicians and code breakers in the NSA's history.
01:03:59.000After 9-11, they took one of the programs I had done, or the back-end part of it, and started to use it to spy on everybody in this country.
01:04:09.000So that was a program they created called Stellar Wind.
01:04:13.000That was separate and compartmented from the regular activity that was ongoing because it was doing domestic spying.
01:04:23.000But then when the contractors I had hired came and told me what they were doing, it was clear where all the hardware was going and what they were using it to do.
01:05:01.000So if you think of graphing each domain and then each graph and turning it in the third dimension, the trick now is to map through all the domains in that third dimension, pulling together all the attributes that any individual has in every domain.
01:05:19.000So that now I can pull your entire life together from all those domains and map it out and show your entire life over time.
01:05:59.000I don't because if what you're saying was possible, it would be revolutionary and people would have a vested interest in preventing that from happening.
01:06:16.000I'm not sure how many of you got a chance to hear Keith Alexander yesterday, the head of the NSA, talk about the NSA's activities.
01:06:25.000Bill, how do you reconcile, is there some way to reconcile General Alexander's statement that the NSA isn't keeping track of every American with the existence of a facility like the one in Utah?
01:06:37.000NSA's charter, and it was a legitimate one, was to do foreign intelligence, and I was with that all the way, and I did the best I could in that job.
01:06:44.000Unfortunately, they took those programs that I built and turned them on you, and I'm sorry for that.
01:06:51.000What you're describing really is hard to reconcile with the laws, as the laws are generally understood by the lawyers who work with them.
01:06:59.000Most people are familiar with the Webster's definition of intercept.
01:07:03.000USID 18 has a different definition, and that's an intercept doesn't take place until it's actually listened to, until somebody puts on some earphones or actually reads some text on a screen.
01:07:15.000So you can pull in all the communications you want.
01:07:23.000They can then keep it in their database and target after the fact by going back and conducting data mining searches afterward, in other words, to get the information that they couldn't target from the outset.
01:08:43.000So, but they did that, and they came in and pointed a gun at me when I was getting out of the shower at the time, so they pointed a gun right at my old head, you know, and said, hey.
01:09:07.000So I told them what the crime was that I knew about.
01:09:09.000And that was that George Bush, Dick Cheney, Tennant, and Hayden conspired to subvert the constitution, the constitutional process, and any number of laws.
01:09:20.000And I explained Stellar Wind on my back porch to all the FBI agents who weren't cleared.
01:09:28.000I created a problem for them because they had a bunch of people now who weren't cleared for a very highly classified, only because it was domestic spying, by the way, was the reason it was highly classified.
01:09:38.000They wanted to highly classify the extreme impeachable crimes that they were committing.
01:09:44.000Top Justice Department officials threatened to resign in 2004 because Stellar Wind violated the law.
01:09:50.000Their legal objections to the program are not.
01:11:57.000And the beautiful thing is when he does explain them, I mean, if you listen to that guy talk, when he did explain it to them, I'm sure it made a lot of them question why they were arresting him and question whether or not he was in fact a patriot and not a bad guy.
01:13:25.000What if one of your lovely ladies had come in contact with a certain politician who had a very high-ranking position, and this guy just decided that he wanted to bang your wife, so he gets you locked up and put in jail, and you have no recourse.
01:13:37.000And he pulls up some email where you said, you know, something crazy, you know, 10 years ago, joking and completely trolling.
01:13:44.000But because of the fact that he actually has this written down into your name, they can arrest you.
01:15:44.000On an hour drive from Columbus to Dayton, I had seven cop cars pulled on the side of the road with the guns pointing at your cars, you know, that smooth trap thing.
01:22:02.000It's been a weird thing for me as a human being to have come of age, to be a teenager with the invention of the answering machine and seeing that and going, wow, I mean, somebody can fucking leave a message and you're not even here?
01:22:14.000Like, what a mind-blower that was for me to seeing this video of what kind of information is being and how much they can know about you.
01:22:23.000Well, I think that's the other thing about your saying earlier about like, were things really, maybe things were just as bad back then, but we didn't know about it because we didn't have the internet.
01:22:34.000I think part of it is maybe they wanted this kind of thing, but they just didn't have the technology to do it.
01:22:51.000That is accelerating because of the fact there's so much civil uprising around the world.
01:22:57.000I mean, we really are getting to this really ridiculous point where, you know, the Mayan apocalypse date of 2012, the December 21st date, it's completely ridiculous that these guys had figured out when the world was going to fall apart.
01:23:11.000Yet, how weird is it that the world is fucking falling apart and it's closing in on that day?
01:23:15.000Did you hear how many earthquakes we had yesterday?
01:23:30.000You start pulling out certain cards and undermining faith in certain things, and before you know it, you don't have a society anymore.
01:23:36.000You have, you know, what the Mayans experienced when their society vanished or broke down or whatever the hell happened to them.
01:23:42.000Yeah, it's not just that these people shouldn't be corrupt.
01:23:45.000It's that when you are corrupt and when you are in a position where you are not looking out for the greater good of mankind, you're ruining the entire process of acceleration.
01:23:55.000You're ruining it and subverting it and making it a selfish thing and making all the things that don't get corrected as we move forward.
01:24:02.000It's like, say, if you were a little kid and you just decided you were going to shit in the middle of your bedroom because you didn't feel like going to the bathroom.
01:24:14.000You're like, I'm just going to shit right here.
01:24:16.000You pull your pants down and shit, and then you make a little pile in your bathroom, and then you always think you're going to clean up, but you never get around to it.
01:24:21.000I mean, that's essentially what the human race is to the world.
01:24:25.000We're just leaving shit places and just assuming we're eventually going to get to some point we're going to clean it up.
01:24:31.000Instead of dealing with it first and foremost, before we start fucking around with the governments in other parts of the world, and before we start fucking around with tapping people's phones, let's figure out a way how to get oil out of the fucking ocean without killing everything.
01:24:45.000Let's figure out a way to let the dolphins live and not have shrimp be fucking poison.
01:24:50.000Let's figure out a way to not put an entire economy out of work because you fucking assholes wanted to finish your drill early so you use cheaper parts or a less stringent setup.
01:25:02.000How about get on that first and then let's invade Iran.
01:25:08.000That's the other thing that outrages me so much.
01:25:12.000And it's not only like, okay, they're violating our rights and there are creepy implications for how this could be used at some point, but this is a colossal waste of money.
01:25:20.000This is billions and billions of dollars and this is only one program that we know about.
01:25:23.000We don't know what other creepy programs are out there right now.
01:25:26.000And that same amount of money could be used on things where you see a real tangible impact on people's communities.
01:26:07.000You can't even put a money, you can't even put a price on the impact you can have, either good or bad.
01:26:12.000I had a civics teacher in seventh grade.
01:26:14.000He's part of the reason why I'm interested in politics today because he did this crazy experiment that I feel like every teacher should do.
01:26:20.000We were in a private school at the time, so you're allowed to get away with more stuff.
01:26:23.000In a public school, he probably would have been sued.
01:26:26.000But what he did, we walked into class one day.
01:26:28.000It just seemed like a normal class, right?
01:26:30.000And we walk into class, and he says, okay, if you have brown eyes, if you have brown eyes, sit in the front two rows.
01:26:40.000If you have blue eyes, I want you in the back of the room.
01:26:43.000And he just segregated us by eye color.
01:26:45.000And at first, people were like, okay, this is some kind of joke, you know?
01:27:17.000Even if it was a great answer, and it was starting to fuck with people mentally, where these people were getting better treatment than the people in the back based entirely on eye color.
01:27:24.000By the end of that class, there were girls crying and guys too.
01:27:50.000And that wasn't the only thing he did, but the point is he had a profound impact, and he probably made a very small amount of money for doing it.
01:28:48.000People are just slowly trying to stop what is inevitable.
01:28:52.000They're clawing at what is inevitable.
01:28:55.000And what's inevitable is ultimate accountability for everything, all of your actions.
01:28:59.000And then it's eventually going to move from that to being your very thoughts.
01:29:04.000There's going to be the next phase of technology unquestionably is going to be some sort of fucking interface where people are going to be able to read each other's minds or communicate without any sort of noise coming out of your mouth.
01:30:56.000I don't know if I told you on a podcast, though.
01:30:59.000My ex, she was cleaning her ear out, and then the phone rang, so she picked it up, and she shoved the Q-tip in her ear, and just started gushing blood and popping your eardrum.
01:31:09.000Yeah, you did talk about this in the podcast.
01:31:10.000You ever watched that Thousand Ways to Die?
01:31:14.000You know, the one where she's getting a massage, or no, she's getting acupuncture and rolls off the bed, and like one goes right through her heart.
01:34:23.000Well, Terrence McKenna, famously on the big island of Hawaii, had a tropical rainforest garden.
01:34:29.000He lived on the rainforest side where it was beautiful up there, man.
01:34:33.000The pictures of his home was incredible.
01:34:35.000He had this really cool pad he put up there on the island, and it had every psychedelic plant known to man because most of them grow breast in these sort of rainforest environments.
01:35:02.000And beautiful and fascinating to know that all of these different plants, I mean, even if you just had them as your little plant buddies, you never even smoked them, just kept them in your yard.
01:35:11.000There's something kind of dope knowing that you could literally change your consciousness by some shit that's growing next to your house.
01:35:16.000Knowing that it has that kind of power.
01:36:09.000It's not something you would ever get addicted to, because I was like, all right, cool, did that.
01:36:13.000It took me over my own head, and I was looking down at myself in these pulsating waves to get a new burst, a new image of me looking from over here, like up and to my right, looking down at me.
01:37:24.000And he said when he came back from this 10-minute trip, this Salvia trip, he had remembered everything, but it was just like coming out of a month of visiting your friends or a month of all of a sudden you're here.
01:37:57.000I didn't learn shit from it other than like, this is weird.
01:38:00.000But everybody that I know that's had like big ones had taken like big, big experiences.
01:38:05.000I know I didn't get a big enough hit, but I could imagine if it could do that with like the little baby hit that I had where I wasn't even doing it right.
01:38:12.000Apparently you need like one of those blowtorch lighters.
01:38:53.000That tea just scared the shit out of me.
01:38:58.000The idea that you can get that legally and then just walk out in the street, you'll be just run over by a car because you're going to be so out of it.
01:39:04.000Especially the tea, because who knows how your body is going to process it, whether it's going to process it differently because it's going through the liver and the digestive system as opposed to just going right into the bloodstream with a smoke.
01:40:39.000Because I think that fun video that we just watched, that could happen.
01:40:44.000Or somebody could do it while driving or something like that.
01:40:46.000You can't protect the world from idiots, Brian, because then it keeps stuff from you and I. Right, but at least think it should have some kind of 21-year-old rating at least or something.
01:41:49.000But I think we should have some, if we're going to be an honest society about substances and their effect on people, we've got to be honest about the positive stuff too.
01:42:01.000You've got to be honest not just in people jumping out a window, which is possible, but you've got to also be honest about people who go on mushroom trips and become much better people.
01:42:09.000And that's like a real legitimate phenomenon that's been documented in the John Hopkins study, that people have changed their personality for the better because of one intense mushroom trip that they had, where they experienced profound love and connectivity and all things that people like me and my friends that have had psychedelic experiences have all relayed.
01:42:28.000It changes the fundamental direction in which your life is going.
01:42:32.000And if we as a culture don't recognize that that is a potential tool to help all of us, including the people that are in extreme positions of power, they would have a better life if they embrace this shit as well.
01:42:45.000Well, you can rule on a deeper level if you had an experience like that.
01:42:49.000You can be more like a Marcus Aurelius, like enlightened despot instead of just a despot, you know?
01:43:15.000It is really nice to live in a place where you can come home and you have a nice couch to sit in and a nice TV to watch and a nice kitchen to cook your food and a nice bed to sleep in.
01:43:23.000But after that, everything else is horseshit.
01:44:00.000The ego behind wanting to have such a big house to represent you is like Vander Holyfield, when he was the heavyweight champion, built this enormous mansion in Atlanta and he couldn't keep it up.
01:44:11.000He wound up, I don't know if he wound up losing it or what, but I remember he was in severe financial straits because it was over a million dollars a year just to run this place.
01:44:32.000People that are in that sort of a job, if you're in the job of being like a Goldman Sachs sort of a guy and you have a house like that, it should be evidence of a sickness.
01:44:41.000Someone should come along and go, wait, why do you have Picasso in your house?
01:44:52.000And that would be fine if it wasn't for you being in the position that you're in.
01:44:56.000You being in a position where you get to manipulate the fucking market and literally change the economy with your corruption and then get rewarded with a taxpayer bailout.
01:45:09.000Like, we've never lived in more transparent times of the people at the top of the heap being sick.
01:45:15.000The people at the top of the heap all need to get into a fucking sweat lodge with some native Indians.
01:45:21.000Hey, hey, hey, and they pass around the mescaline.
01:45:23.000Well, it's also like the role of that person has changed.
01:45:27.000Now he's isolated in his huge 30,000 square foot mansion away from normal people.
01:45:31.000I think just a generation ago, I mean, I'm only basing this on some stuff I've read and Mad Men, which is not accurate at all.
01:45:39.000I mean, just basing it on what I've heard from my parents and what I've read about, if you were the CEO of a company, you also felt like you had some kind of role within the community.
01:45:47.000You didn't want to be known as a scumbag or like whoever the Enron guy was.
01:45:51.000That wasn't the end goal was to con thousands of people out of their retirements.
01:45:54.000You're supposed to be this kind of innovator that people respected.
01:45:57.000And yeah, you made more money than that.
01:46:28.000And although I agree with you, it seems like it's not the best use of our resources, especially when you have the absolute smartest people out of college getting recruited to these firms instead of going to NASA or going into medicine or any of these other fields.
01:46:57.000They would chart out the whole globe with these sophisticated maps, stuff that had never been done before, all about bringing spices back.
01:47:03.000And maybe today, like, yeah, it's bullshit that these guys on computers are fighting each other for imaginary money.
01:47:09.000But maybe at the end of the day, it's also improving our technology in ways that we haven't anticipated.
01:47:15.000I read an article about that, that trading now is so high frequency that they have companies that build private radio networks just to get the trade out there like a tenth of a second faster.
01:48:14.000I read a Matt Taibbi article on the actual derivative economy being something like 10 times larger than the, you know, the speculative economy is 10 times larger than the actual economy.
01:48:26.000If we get enough bad bets, everything goes down.
01:49:22.000And then it's like, well, what about the $700, if you're a working couple, it's something like $700 a month of the money you pay in taxes is going to war effort and all that stuff?
01:49:32.000It's like, why aren't you protesting about these things?
01:49:34.000Is it something where if it doesn't immediately affect your purchase at Starbucks, you're not willing to talk about it?
01:49:40.000But if you can see it so tangibly that you're like, fuck, there's $5 less of my account, then you go out and you're like, no, we're switching to a credit union.
01:49:47.000But the other stuff doesn't bother you.
01:51:05.000So some people wondered if they were trying to slow that outflow until they could figure out a policy.
01:51:10.000Like, do we need to say we're not going to charge the $5 fee?
01:51:13.000Or, you know, and then to go conspiracy on you, one dude even said that they're preparing, they're testing it out to see how would we stop an actual bank run in modern times.
01:51:25.000And the best way to do it would be just shut down your mobile banking access, shut down your website access, or slow it to the point where it's difficult to do stuff, and you don't have as many people taking out money.
01:51:51.000It's one thing if a bank has an outage, because that does happen, but the timing was so perfect.
01:51:55.000It's like, if I were a big bank and a lot of people were just, if I were just being hemorrhaged right now, all these people withdrawing, maybe I would turn off my website for a little while.
01:52:28.000I like the thing about gold, how when somebody hands you a gold coin, not that I've never actually made that much money where somebody hands me a gold coin.
01:52:35.000But when you look at one in a store and they hand it to you, it has weight.
01:52:39.000And you know that it's possible this thing is thousands of years old and has no rust on it.
01:53:16.000the ancient Sumerian text is like this cuneiform text that was written on clay tablets and it's this really odd ancient language from about six thousand years ago where it looks like They don't have a perfect form.
01:53:51.000Oh, Zacharias Hitchincho, the cuneiform.
01:53:53.000So anyway, this is this weird series of lines, and it's all subject to interpretation.
01:53:59.000It's really difficult stuff to decipher.
01:54:03.000But this one guy, Zacharias Hitchin, who's a legitimate biblical scholar and ancient linguist, he said that the entire thing was about the Anunnaki and that the Anunnaki were an alien race that created us.
01:54:17.000Like the engineer in the movie Prometheus.
01:54:20.000Like this was his idea of the Anunnaki.
01:54:22.000They were these giants that created us by mixing their DNA with primate DNA.
01:54:28.000And that all of this was so that they could make us work for them and mine gold.
01:54:33.000Because they needed gold particles to suspend in their atmosphere to protect them from the radiation.
01:54:50.000So it's really difficult to argue with him, although many other legit scholars do argue with him and completely disagree with his translations of it.
01:54:58.000But what his translation, what got really weird was, he wrote this in like 1970s.
01:55:03.000In the 2000s, 2005 or 6 or something like that, they had some sort of a scientific symposium where they were trying to figure out what are their alternative methods of protecting people from radiation if we lose part of our atmosphere, like ozone layers and stuff like that.
01:55:18.000And they came up with suspending reflective particles in the atmosphere.
01:55:23.000So these people back then had no idea that...
01:55:26.000Well this Zacharias Hitchin guy certainly was no scientist in regards to how to deflect radiation.
01:55:34.000So him coming up with this as a translation from a 6,000 year old text that was written on clay tablets is quite remarkable.
01:55:42.000He's saying something that scientists figured out 30, 40 years later.
01:55:46.000And what he's saying is that reflective particles suspended in the atmosphere can protect you from radiation.
01:55:51.000Well the thing about gold is gold is unlike any other metal.
01:55:55.000And this is not something that you would need back in the day when you were fucking herding and you had a need a good metal that you can make a sword out of where you can kill people.
01:57:48.000I don't like the idea of being an engineered, like biologically engineered slave.
01:57:53.000The reason why I lean towards that and not 100%, I mean, I don't agree with it or disagree with it, but I don't reject it as an idea simply because of the fact that the only thing that's like us is dogs.
01:58:05.000The only thing that's like us that can vary so widely by the way it looks is humans.
01:58:11.000We're the only thing that's like a dog.
01:59:24.000I remember going through school and you read the textbooks about Columbus and all this basic shit.
01:59:28.000Not once in those textbooks do they mention, oh, by the way, there are some random cities in South America built in a way that really doesn't make sense to that time period.
01:59:37.000And they're so far, I don't have the numbers in my mind right now, but they were so distant to everything else that it's like, we don't have any idea of what that is.
01:59:45.000Yeah, well, not only that, there's thousands of them.
01:59:47.000They're finding new ones in the jungle all the time.
01:59:50.000I mean, it was an incredible civilization that existed just a couple thousand years ago.
01:59:54.000The Mayan civilization wasn't even that long ago.
01:59:56.000And we know so little about what really happened.
02:00:09.000And it's all about them working on the translations of the different Mayan hieroglyphs and how difficult it is and trying to decipher things and the way they go about it and the scientific method they use to try to figure out what the fuck each little thing means.
02:00:26.000I mean, they had a completely different way of writing the world.
02:00:31.000They wrote the world in pictures and pictures that represented sounds that you would make.
02:00:37.000And it would vary whether or not that sound was like, you know, like if you had, like they would, like, the way it's explained, Terrence McKenna explained it, like, if you were going to write I Saw Ant Rose, you would do an eyeball, a saw like saw, and then you would do the insect ant, and then you would do a rose.
02:01:34.000Anthony Bourdain, two-fisted, like a soldier.
02:01:38.000We took that dude to the depths of hell, unfortunately, because it made the conversation kind of weird because he was a little hungover from the Grammys.
02:01:44.000But that motherfucker went deep with us.
02:01:50.000Because I know, unless you're getting this shit on a regular basis, the kind of marijuana that's available in Southern California is so potent and awesome and should be respected for that instead of suppressed by this ridiculous fucking DEA and government being so silly.
02:02:20.000It's not even like the main focus of my campaign.
02:02:22.000My thing is Bill of Rights and spying on us, ending those things.
02:02:27.000Do you think it's possible to turn things back?
02:02:29.000It absolutely is possible because the latest poll is like 50% of the American people support decriminalization and legalization.
02:02:37.000But elected officials, only 1 to 2% support that.
02:02:40.000So you have a huge disparity where these old assholes have to go or they have to change their stance because it's not going to stay like that forever.
02:02:48.000You don't have an elected body that believes one thing and then 50% of your own people believe something entirely different.
02:03:25.000I'm not trying to pander to your show because I know you know you talk about this a lot, but like we can't move forward as a country if we're spending so much of our resources on criminalizing something that it's not a crime.
02:03:35.000Not only that, something that's incredibly beneficial.
02:03:38.000We're suppressing farmers' ability to make money.
02:03:41.000A farmer's ability to make money, by the way, not off selling drugs, we're talking about the actual plant hemp, which is not psychoactive in any way, shape, or form.
02:04:29.000That just because one person can't handle it or a few people can't handle it doesn't mean I can't handle it because drinking is one of the worst fucking drugs there is, period.
02:04:48.000And the idea that I would somehow or another lose control because I've tried something or because I enjoy something in my off time is silly.
02:04:56.000If you don't give a person enough respect as your employee that they will go home and sit down in front of the TV and smoke a joint when they relax at home, if you don't give them enough respect to have that time to themselves to maybe smoke a little weed and chill out when they're not riding on the company dime, they're not responsible for anything, you're going to test them for that.
02:05:21.000Yeah, you can't tell people what to do when they're not at work.
02:05:24.000It's one thing if you're on one of those offshore oil rigs, and then you're basically on the job 24 hours a day because anything can go wrong at any time.
02:05:32.000I understand having a zero tolerance policy there, but for some office job where you have a large portion of your day where you're not working, you should be allowed to do what you want, especially when you're using something that has not killed a single person ever.
02:05:45.000It's a very, very, very good point about dangerous jobs.
02:07:36.000Like, the evil I'm doing here is outweighed by the benefit it will have of winning this battle or winning this war.
02:07:43.000The drone, some guy just goes to work at an army base, plugs in like he's playing a video game, goes home at night, mission accomplished.
02:07:51.000It's a level of separation that is just scary.
02:07:56.000Yeah, these civilian drone strikes, depending on who you listen to, there's a couple different figures that they throw around, but all of them are over 1,000.
02:08:05.000From the conservative numbers, the conservative numbers are around 1,800, and the less conservative numbers are above 2,000.
02:08:13.000But either that, I mean, all of that, it's scary stuff.
02:08:17.000I mean, this is the amount of innocent civilians that are killed because we're going after these bad guys, and these people just have to be near him.
02:08:24.000They don't happen to be near him, allegedly.
02:08:27.000There is, I agree completely, there's something crazy about the ability to take some random object, some created object rather, and fly it through the fucking air to another country, and it launches hellfire missiles at people while you're controlling it with a remote control, like you're watching a video game.
02:08:46.000And what's so weird about that also is like, so as a society, we're making a choice to devote a lot of our technological energy and definitely taxpayer money to building better drones because these big defense contracts get them.
02:08:58.000And so we're learning ways to vaporize 16-year-olds in a more efficient manner, basically.
02:09:03.000These people who are like, you're in some town in Afghanistan, you have no other choices because there's no economy.
02:09:08.000And some warlord recruits you and you're caught up in something that's definitely evil, but you don't have much control over necessarily.
02:09:14.000And without being given a trial, you're just killed one day by a robot.
02:09:17.000Basically, that's what it is, a robot in the sky.
02:09:20.000I think Bill Maher calls them sky robots.
02:09:25.000And maybe if we need to give huge contracts to defense companies because they lobby the shit out of Washington, if that's just the way it is no matter what, we always have to give them massive contracts, why not go back to what we were doing in the 60s, which was part of those massive contracts for going to the space program.
02:09:40.000You know, these companies put us on the moon instead of building drones.
02:09:43.000Well, just cleaning up the inner cities, just strengthening our education system.
02:09:48.000There's all sorts of jobs that can be had that are very positive.
02:09:52.000Instead of these jobs that all go to the DEA and busting pot farms, these jobs that all go to TSA workers grabbing people and sticking them in radiation boxes.
02:10:02.000It seems to me like we should be able to figure out a way to distribute all those people in a positive way back into our economy, back into our workforce.
02:10:12.000And police aren't bad everywhere you go.
02:10:14.000Like, I've traveled to a lot of places where the police actually seem like members of the community.
02:10:19.000In small towns, there's less pressure.
02:10:21.000In small towns and in other countries where the cops don't have uniforms, so they look like Judge Dredd.
02:10:26.000Like, here I've noticed the uniforms keep getting scarier and scarier.
02:12:08.000Well, it wouldn't have to be like a younger person.
02:12:09.000What scares me is when these videos come out of police just beating the shit out of somebody for no reason.
02:12:13.000And you wonder, like, how many times is this happening where the right conditions weren't there, where there happened to be somebody who had the balls and the camera to actually film it, you know?
02:12:23.000When I was in high school, my friend Jimmy was in, there's a place called Kenmore Square in Boston.
02:12:31.000And this is back when they had dudes who would put cardboard down on the street and they would break dance.
02:13:08.000And then they would take their head and slam it into the paddy wagon before they go in.
02:13:13.000Everyone just slammed their fucking head into the metal and then tossed them in.
02:13:17.000He said it was so disturbing that like watching it.
02:13:20.000He never looked at cops the same way again.
02:13:22.000Just watching them just get cracked in the head by bats and then slam their head into the metal and then push them in because they were involved in a big brawl.
02:13:31.000And that was back when people had brawls where they didn't shoot each other.
02:13:38.000Allegedly some of those Occupy protesters, they like would handcuff them in a way that's painful using the plastic cuffs.
02:13:44.000And they shoved them all into vans and they were in there for so long that they were forced to urinate on each other.
02:13:50.000Even like they were denied access to a bathroom when they asked for one.
02:13:53.000And you hear about this all the time, where they're doing the handcuffs so hard that people are screaming for them to be fixed, and they just don't care.
02:14:48.000You have a protest that's peaceful and isn't harming the community, and you have exactly, you have taxpayer money going into turning this into a violent, disorderly thing.
02:14:57.000So you can bust people who would not have been an issue in the first place?
02:16:17.000It shows that you're stepping outside of the box to say, hey, I want to be counted amongst the people who think there's something wrong with this.
02:16:25.000That's what America is supposed to be all about.
02:16:28.000So the problem with America is it's run by un-Americans.
02:16:32.000It's run by people who are not acting in the American American.
02:16:34.000You have a lot of people who believe that 9-11 was like the opportunity of a lifetime.
02:16:39.000You know, get a better position within the government, make a shitload of money on these crazy contracts, doing spying programs and putting body scanners in airports and all this stuff.
02:16:49.000A lot of people made money off of this.
02:16:50.000And I consider that quite un-American to profit off of a tragedy like that.
02:17:24.000You'd go to jail for something much less horrible than that.
02:17:28.000If you just knew that a company was going to fold and you sold your stock, that seems like a smart business move, but that's completely and totally illegal.
02:17:34.000If this motherfucker had the access to this entire giant business that rebuilt things after you, and he was the guy running it, and then he gives them contracts, no-bid contracts for billions and billions of dollars, that is so blatant and in your face and so crazy.
02:17:52.000It's kind of like, it's like, what are you going to do about it?
02:17:54.000The media is not going to cover it all that much, and we know you're not going to protest because you might get the shit kicked out of you.
02:18:46.000But isn't it weird that we're now at the point where our government really is doing so many terrible things that we see tanks and our first thought is, are they going to use these against us?
02:19:08.000Yeah, when you have a few people running these fucking things by remote control, they can take over cities and do a lot of shit that's impossible to do when you don't have an evil cunt behind the switch.
02:19:18.000But if they just have a few dudes working somewhere pushing all the buttons for these fucking things.
02:19:27.000They have the synthetic police where they just turn that thing on and they all go out and I think we're going to fuck things up way before that ever happens.
02:19:37.000Knowing this is drones and knowing all the thousands of people that have died that were totally innocent because of the drones, knowing the fact that no one seems to have a problem with that because we don't know those little brown people.
02:20:38.000It's like I was talking to somebody about this.
02:20:41.000Our whole policy is like, okay, we can send them some school supplies and occupy their country with our military forces for a few years, and then they're going to have democracy.
02:22:20.000It creates a, That's not going to happen again.
02:22:25.000But we know that that's possible, and that's what's really disturbing about human nature.
02:22:28.000And that in 2012, we have direct evidence that people who are in positions of power are capable of doing something that fucked up.
02:22:37.000And if you really believe that people are all the same, the only difference is we have different cultures and different environments and different biological makeups and different ways we look, but essentially people are equal.
02:22:50.000Well, in 2012, people are cutting people's heads off for nonsense.
02:22:54.000That's what people in power are capable of doing.
02:22:58.000And we've got to look honestly And realistically, about the people that are in power right here, because just because you could drive a sob and go to Starbucks and get Wi-Fi at work, just because all that's going on, doesn't mean you're not living in a den of monsters.
02:23:13.000Yeah, and not only that, just because you have those good things, you have a safe town, and you have Starbucks and like a level of prosperity that's really pretty good.
02:23:42.000More people will be providing more positive things into the city.
02:23:46.000Instead of our cities and our countries and our states being governed by this giant fucking monster that goes overseas and blows shit up.
02:23:56.000Instead of that, all of the tax money, all of the resources go to building shit.
02:24:01.000Go to building shit within here, this country, making this place better, cleaning up all the bullshit that all these fucking corporations have left behind in terms of toxic waste poisoning and figuring out how to manage nuclear waste.
02:24:35.000I would never be a part of this system because this system is bullshit.
02:24:38.000To me, this system is like, you might as well go to the Rocky Horror Picture Show and pretend because you're singing along that you're actually in the movie because you're not really changing what's going to happen.
02:25:01.000You're going to try to do it, and you're going to run for Congress, and I want to support you, and I want you to win, and I want you to get into the positions where you can actually make some change.
02:25:09.000But in order to do that, man, that has to be literally your whole life.
02:25:14.000Just to correct the work of some cunts.
02:25:17.000Instead of telling the cunts to stop being cunts, just get your own shit together.
02:25:22.000The people that are in the upper positions of power that must be fucking creepy paranoid and depressed and weirded out and on kalonopin and all kinds of other fucking weird drugs to get you through your day and Xanax and Ambien to go to sleep at night.
02:25:39.000Do you know how many successful, wealthy people in business I know that are addicted to Ambien?
02:25:44.000They're popping that shit every night to try to get some sleep.
02:25:47.000Because they can't, because they're crazy.
02:25:49.000Because they're dealing with all kinds of nonsense all day and fuckery afoot every step of the way.
02:25:56.000And they literally can't even fucking sleep.
02:26:27.000But point is, they're not what they used to be.
02:26:30.000And instead of pulling all these girls they used to pull, they have to feel so virile by passing this shit that is ridiculous, like just totalitarian stuff.
02:26:40.000I think a small part of it is like if you're getting sex regularly and you have a balanced life that also involves friends and family and doing stuff that has nothing to do with politics or with building drones or any of that stuff, why would you even be in favor of these things?
02:26:55.000You're not going to be in that direction of, let's start a war to make some money or let's take away rights just to be on the safe side.
02:27:02.000Yeah, that's a very good point as well.
02:27:04.000If you're operating from a position of comfort and power and empowerment, you feel yourself that you're doing what you should be doing and you're very confident about everything.
02:27:13.000You're not going to try to suppress other people.
02:27:15.000And that's the problem with old people.
02:27:17.000A lot of old people want to suppress young people.
02:28:00.000They're just trying to hold people down.
02:28:01.000And when you get to a position where you're a guy like that, where you're a guy like Newt Gingrich and they go, hey man, boxers are briefs.
02:28:06.000You go, what kind of idiotic question is that?
02:28:24.000Like that response to a reporter, Mitt Romney did something similar.
02:28:28.000He was in Colorado and a TV reporter, not even like a random person, a TV reporter asked him something about marijuana policy, which in a state like Colorado, where it's a big part of their economy, is not a crazy question.
02:28:41.000And he was like pissed that it was asked and didn't want to address it.
02:28:45.000No, not only that, there's a terrible defining video where there's a patient who has some sort of debilitating disease and he's in a wheelchair.
02:28:54.000And he asked Mitt Romney what his stance is on medical marijuana.
02:29:36.000I can't believe out of 314 million people, that's our current population, that the best we can come up with is Obama, who has a record now of promoting things that the Bush administration would not have even done.
02:29:47.000Like there was a former Bush administration official said that NDAA was something that their administration would not have tried and would not have even found acceptable.
02:29:57.000And so you have Obama doing these things, so we know where he stands.
02:30:39.000When it's influencing policy, then I have to look at all the other things.
02:30:42.000When you want to infringe upon other people's rights, and yet you believe in some wackiness, that has to be brought into the equation now.
02:30:47.000As long as you keep it to yourself, we're cool.
02:30:50.000As long as you don't fuck with people and you really go by the way this country was initially founded, the separation, the true separation of church and state, because people were coming here because they face religious persecution in other lands.
02:31:03.000And they said, listen, let's just work it out so we keep that shit out of this.
02:31:28.000We're not going to bury it in some kind of legalese.
02:31:31.000The only problem that I ever have with someone who is in a, we call it a cult or a religion or anything like that, like being a Mormon, is that you're so committed to it.
02:31:40.000It's not that I don't think that Mormonism can help you and make you a better person, because like I said, I know really nice people that are Mormons.
02:31:46.000It's just if you're willing to believe that, what else do you believe?
02:31:51.000How much is that going to affect your choices?
02:31:53.000What kind of weird apocalyptic shit could somebody put into your head?
02:31:57.000If you really, truly do believe that a 14-year-old boy from 1820 found golden tablets that contained the lost work of Jesus and that the American Indians were actually a tribe that came here from Israel.
02:32:15.000Well, not a lot of 14-year-old kids that aren't completely full of shit.
02:32:18.000And once they start talking about angels dropping off packages of gold and then taking them away before the people could come and read them, they have magic stones to look at them with.
02:34:07.000Maybe there's someone who was on the plane who was praying that's taken full credit for it.
02:34:11.000It was one of the horrible things about the Carlo Rado thing.
02:34:14.000It was a guy who was claiming that the reason why he was spared and all these other people, including young children, were killed, is that he was spared to let people know how great God is.
02:34:28.000They suck, man, especially when you realize that there's probably some really cool people that got shot and this asshole thinks that the reason why they got shot and he didn't is because he was thinking the right things.
02:34:41.000And he was hoping to God that he could spread God's word.
02:35:46.000You know, the most compelling idea about alien life to me is that alien consciousness is creativity.
02:35:52.000And that it's creating our society by planting the seed of creativity in the modern animal, the modern monkey animal, and forcing it to eventually pursue its doom.
02:36:37.000If we ultimately are temporary beings, shouldn't we stop at a certain point and say, all we need is food and all we need is comfort and let's just enjoy our camaraderie while we're here and get through this thing in a very healthy and spiritual way.
02:36:49.000We're like, no, not interested in that.
02:36:52.000Interested in a bigger fucking TV and I want some pills that make me sleep at night.
02:36:56.000And is there a way I can get the internet on my glasses?
02:36:59.000I want to look through my fucking glasses and read my email.
02:37:02.000I don't want to ever know where any direction is.
02:38:27.000The really promising feeling that you get from psychedelic drugs is that what you experience is so stupendously alien to what you experience on an everyday, day-to-day basis that it gives you hope for some really complex structure to the universe that's unavailable to you when you're in a straight and normal form and state of consciousness.
02:38:49.000And that there might be chemical doorways to different dimensions and chemical doorways to different experiences.
02:38:55.000And that's essentially what your whole neurochemistry and your whole life is based on.
02:39:00.000Adrenaline when shit goes wrong and you need to fight or flight.
02:39:03.000You know, serotonin when you have babies and dopamine when you see people that you love and you go outside and it's sunny.
02:39:10.000And there's all sorts of chemical releases that are constantly going on that bring you to altered states of consciousness.
02:39:16.000And we know that the brain produces some very extreme psychedelic chemicals.
02:39:20.000So it just stands to reason to me that this idea that the only thing that's real is some shit that you can touch with your hands and that this dimension and this experience is the only thing that's real because it's what we're conscious of and what we're involved in right now.
02:39:36.000I say it's much more likely that this thing is way more complicated than we can even imagine and that we are silly little ants walking around on a dog's ass trying to describe the universe.
02:39:47.000It would be much better if I didn't fuck up that last word.
02:39:49.000I think it's weird that like old societies, the people that they look to for advice and for counsel were like shamans who knew the most about taking these kinds of journeys.
02:40:00.000And also they had in ancient Greece they supposedly had the oracle and they were from what I understand under the influence of some kind of psychedelic drug which helped them come up with their prophecies or whatever.
02:40:11.000So this is where people look to and today our leaders are the people who know the least about these things.
02:40:16.000Like a guy like Paul Ryan who claims that he's never smoked.
02:41:01.000And I respect them greatly for that choice because what that choice is for them is that they don't want to go down the path, that they have seen their own loved ones go down.
02:42:20.000You quit because they're going to kill you.
02:42:22.000If the guy has your back and he's choking you and you're tapping, you're essentially admitting that he's about to put you unconscious with that choke.
02:42:57.000I've had guys that, like, the first time they've ever done jiu-jitsu and you see them hyperventilate, like a guy gets on top of them.
02:43:03.000They panic because they think that they're about to get got, and they've never had that happen to them before.
02:43:07.000Once it happens to you a few times, once you do it a bunch of times, and then you get used to doing it to other people, and then it becomes an accepted, normal part of your everyday life, and you're not terrified of the struggle.
02:43:57.000You can't do it because you haven't pushed yourself to the position where you can do it.
02:44:01.000And once you do push yourself, when you can do it, then you have this wave of accomplishment and this feeling and this understanding like, oh, it's difficult to do shit.
02:45:26.000Perspective-wise, and they also do because the release of endogenous psychedelic chemicals that happen in a near-death experience.
02:45:32.000People in near-death experiences have some really fucking vivid hallucinations that, by the way, mirror the ones where they've injected people with dimethyltryptamine, which is a chemical that your brain produces when you're dreaming.
02:45:44.000So they've injected people with dimethyltryptamine, and they also have these intense psychedelic experiences that were very similar to experiences that people had.
02:45:53.000Yeah, that people had during near-death experiences, where people saw the bright light and they went through the tunnel and they cut to another side.
02:45:59.000All of that shit mirrors and mimics the experiences that are repl you could replicate them with psychedelic chemicals that the brain makes.
02:46:08.000So all of it points to that there's a lot of different things that can happen to a person where they get a fresh perspective.
02:46:15.000And a near-death experience is one of them for a variety of reasons.
02:46:18.000Just perspective, the fact that it was almost over, man.
02:46:33.000They need something that tests their character and in a way that doesn't hurt other people.
02:46:37.000And if it, you know, even if you hurt, well, you know, you mean you hurt other people through competition, but that's sort of a voluntary thing.
02:46:44.000Like if you engage in martial arts competition, you're going to hurt people, but they're going to hurt you too.
02:47:24.000You can't just jump into a fucking party of douchebags that are currently running shit and act like they want you to act.
02:47:30.000And then all of a sudden you're in some position of power and you're some weird Mitt Romney character who probably doesn't even know who the fuck he is.
02:47:47.000Yeah, and come out and be against what's happening.
02:47:49.000And then you're like, too bad you couldn't say a single word about that while you were actually in that position deciding policy, you know?
02:47:55.000Well, Michael Rupert is a friend of the show, and he's been on it a couple of times.
02:47:59.000Michael Rupert was a cop in the 1980s during the whole Iran-Contra affair, who went on television and exposed that the CIA is selling drugs in south central Los Angeles.
02:49:09.000So Wikileaks, in one of their latest batches of emails, has a bunch of correspondence within this company called Stratfor, which is a private intelligence firm.
02:49:18.000It's kind of like the privatized version of the CIA.
02:49:22.000And I think the CIA would be offended by that comparison because Stratfor seems a lot less competent than the CIA.
02:49:28.000But Strat4 is just this private intelligence company.
02:49:31.000They gather information for a variety of clients, like private corporations.
02:49:35.000I think Coca-Cola has used them before.
02:49:37.000Just gather information on whatever they need.
02:49:39.000Don't hold me too Coca-Cola, but I'm pretty certain they've used them.
02:49:42.000They have big clients, big Fortune 500 companies, and they get data and do all this stuff.
02:49:46.000Anyway, in the emails that the Stratfor executives are sending back and forth, a lot of confidential stuff was revealed about all kinds of things that the public is not supposed to know about.
02:49:55.000And one of those was a company called Trapwire, which developed a computer algorithm that basically tracks people using public surveillance cameras.
02:50:05.000Using things like gait recognition, the way you walk.
02:50:08.000It can potentially recognize you from one spot to the next, and it can flag you for suspicious behavior.
02:50:14.000But you don't know what the suspicious behaviors are.
02:50:16.000They think it could be something like just taking photographs of a landmark that flags you into the system, or signaling for your family to come over so that they can take a photo with you, things like that, or just loitering in an area for too long.
02:50:30.000So this computer program, it's not a person with judgment.
02:50:33.000This computer algorithm decides you're a suspicious individual and a threat, and then puts you into their system and profiles you.
02:50:40.000And then when you go somewhere else, like let's say you're initially flagged somewhere in the state of Texas, then a couple months later you're on vacation in New York, one of the subway cameras in New York can re-identify you and build a file of where you've been, and predict your behavior, possibly even predict where you might go next based on where you've been.
02:50:57.000Just another way the government and private corporations might be tracking people without their approval.
02:51:04.000I mean, this is a clear violation of the Fourth Amendment.
02:52:07.000What it is, is he had sex with a woman, and I guess the alleged story is that he did it with a condom on, and then they were lying in bed together with no condom, and he stuck it in again.
02:52:24.000I mean, if she wanted to wear a condom and you did, I mean, that's a douchebag move for sure.
02:52:27.000But you're going to have this gigantic manhunt for him where he has to hold himself up in a fucking embassy to avoid extradition to this country.
02:52:36.000And it just so happens that he's the guy that releases all this information that shows helicopters gunning people down the street, mistaking them for terrorists.
02:52:46.000Yeah, well, the thing with WikiLeaks, when they reveal stuff that potentially compromises informants and gets innocent people killed, I haven't seen a single instance of that actually happening, but that argument has been made.
02:52:58.000And when that is done, I'm not okay with it.
02:52:59.000That is wrong to put innocent people in harm's way.
02:53:02.000You're releasing information that should not be in the public eye.
02:53:05.000But it's important to note that he hasn't done that.
02:53:08.000He has not done that as far as I know.
02:53:10.000In terms of releasing that video of innocent people being gunned down and children being shot full of lead, that video, and then this thing about Trapwire, I think these are things that are in the public interest, very much so.
02:53:23.000I like to know that all these new surveillance cameras going up in towns and cities, because there are a lot of them now that were not there a couple years ago, that many of these could be plugged into Trapwire.
02:54:13.000And second of all, since when does alleging that somebody did something, that means they're automatically guilty, it doesn't matter that there's tremendous pressure being placed on them to nail this guy on something.
02:54:58.000Well, it ends the whole diplomatic system.
02:55:00.000The whole system of embassies, which is pretty important stuff.
02:55:04.000Otherwise, if we don't have that, then we're just a bunch of animals, just different countries battling for resources at all times, and you have no ground rules.
02:55:13.000I mean, an embassy is a pretty sacred thing.
02:55:17.000So disturbing and so part of our reality, man.
02:55:20.000I can only hope that with guys like you running for Congress and with this young generation that's coming up, and this is one of the things that I've said, is that I don't think you're going to change these creepy Old vampire dudes that are running banks.
02:55:32.000I think they are fucking set in their ways, and they're a bunch of old douchebags.
02:55:36.000And our only hope is the upcoming generation, guys like you.
02:55:40.000It's time for everybody to step up who wants to.
02:55:42.000These mid-20s motherfuckers with a dedication to change.
02:55:48.000And so thanks for doing what you're doing, man.
02:55:50.000And anytime you want to come on the podcast, we'd be more than happy to do that.
02:56:04.000Like you get right into something important and they cut you off and that's it because everybody's so ADD that that's all you get.
02:56:10.000Well, I think that we've been tricked into thinking that that's the only way people will pay attention, that you have to give them those little quick sound bites and then is Kim Kardashian getting a batten ass that's too big?
02:56:25.000We're so like distracted, but there's a lot of people that are realizing that podcasts and things like this, these conversations, it's an opportunity to be involved really in your own earbuds, to be considering both sides and maybe your own opinion that doesn't even get expressed that you want to express to me on Twitter later or whatever, but to be a part of a conversation between two people talking about something that you think is really important or you think is really interesting.
02:56:54.000And that didn't exist before because we had too many fucking people that were telling people what is and it is interesting instead of just doing it naturally.
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