On this episode of the Joe Rogan Experience, the boys talk about the new Samsung Galaxy S3, the FBI spying on Brody, and how much money you should be spending on supplements. Joe also talks about how much he's getting paid for his time on the show, and why he doesn't even work anymore. The boys also talk about how to get over a hangover, and what to do if you have a cold. And of course, there's a special guest appearance from Freeway Ross, AKA Ricky Ross, aka Freeway the Rapper, who joins the guys to talk about his life and how he's completely addicted to the supplements he's been consuming. Joe and the boys also discuss how much they're getting paid and why they should be working on getting rid of their bad habits. Finally, the guys talk about some of the craziest things they've been drinking and how they're going to get rid of them in the near future. Enjoy the episode and don't forget to leave us a review on iTunes and tell us what you thought of it! XOXO, Joe and Brody Thanks for listening and God Bless! -Joe Rogan and the Boys. -The Joe Rogans Experience -Jon Sorrentino and the Rogans Podcast Logo by Courtney DeKorte Music by Ian Dorsch and the crew at The Root Crew and The Crew at Slauson Creemore Records Thank you for all your support and support the show! and the support we've been giving us the chance to make this podcast a chance to be featured on the next episode of The Jermo Rogan Show. We really appreciate it. We really do appreciate all the love, support, support us, and we really appreciate the support, we really do have a lot of support, and it means a lot more than we can't thank you, it's a lot, we appreciate it, we're really appreciate you, we'll see you. We'll get back to you in the next week with more of your support in the coming episodes, we can see you, more of you, so we'll hear you back in a week, more than you can see it, more, we won't have it, and more in a few days, we love you, Thank you, you'll get it, next week, we hear you, thank you back, more next week.
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00:06:25.000You know, rarely in life does it become more evident to me that we are on the wrong fucking track as a culture than when I pick up Rolling Stone.
00:06:38.000And Rolling Stone used to have Hunter S. Thompson writing stories about taking acid in Vegas and they were spectacular.
00:06:46.000I mean, today they still have Matt Taibbi who breaks down all the reality behind the financial crisis.
00:07:47.000They'll call themselves something fucked up that's like, I'm Tony Montana, motherfucker.
00:07:52.000They'll call themselves somebody who actually was a bad motherfucker.
00:07:56.000So what people don't know, people that aren't from my generation, what they don't know is that during this whole Iran-Contra thing that was going on, when it became revealed that Oliver North, that they were selling illegal guns and there was some drug dealing in the CIA in the hood that was admitted and not admitted.
00:10:36.000I used to write Rolling Stone when I was in prison and try to get them to do a story about the drug war and what was going on and the whole thing.
00:12:52.000They did a study, I think it was at Stanford, where they did a prison guard study where they had students pretend to be prisoners and prison guards.
00:13:00.000Almost immediately, the prison guards became abusive.
00:13:47.000When you get that authority over somebody and you feel that you have the whole system behind you and that you're right and you can't do wrong.
00:13:57.000Matter of fact, a guy that was in custody while he was a guard had called me one day and told me that this guy was one of the worst guards that you could be, you know?
00:14:07.000If you had an extra soup, he would take it from you.
00:14:21.000I want to get a bunch of guys, you know, whenever I get a chance, I want to get a bunch of guys that was in jail with them and just get their stories and see.
00:14:28.000And then the irony of it all is that you sit there and you're watching like the BET Awards and he's hollering out, for all my guys locked up in prison.
00:14:36.000Oh my God, all the people that I used to tell to shut the fuck up.
00:14:40.000And then the guys in prison are crying, man, you gotta stop that guy, man.
00:14:48.000Somebody a couple days ago, and they were saying that this guy that he's been rapping about in his songs that's in prison is like, man, the guy messed my appeal up.
00:14:58.000You know, I was on appeal and he got on a record and told him everything that I did.
00:15:14.000Man, they say he did a documentary on the guys in Miami that were supposed to have been drug dealers, and some of those guys are like, man, he should have never did that.
00:18:23.000You know, it's about, can you pay for it now?
00:18:26.000It's amazing that today, in 2012, this image that he's projecting of his underwear and then his pants, like, halfway buckled, halfway down his underwear, with his big fat belly hanging out.
00:18:44.000Yeah, it's funny Rick talked about Rolling Stone because Spin Magazine did an article on Freeway Rick that was on the cover all week this week.
00:18:57.000And they did a piece on the rapper called Master of His Own Reality.
00:19:00.000And they talked about how he's taking the criminal black man image and just perpetuating it, just using it to sell an image of himself that isn't true because he came from a good home.
00:19:44.000Yeah, well, you know, when you got those people behind you, you know, with that money, they put some money in your pocket, and you feel like you're going to live forever.
00:19:52.000You know, if money will keep me alive, then I'm good.
00:19:55.000Well, that certainly would happen to a lot of these guys.
00:19:57.000But it's also, I think, he's going to stuck with what got him to the dance, and that's just bullshitting.
00:20:01.000He's just going to bullshit until he slides into a wall.
00:20:09.000He's not going to say, listen, here's the deal, man.
00:20:11.000Well, you know, I wonder how come when the guy goes on radio stations and the host, you know, they never, you know, because I heard him on a couple of radio stations, and they never ask him, man, Why did you take this guy's name?
00:20:24.000I've seen him mad dogs and people that have tried to ask him some things about you and he gets real loud about it.
00:20:30.000It's uncomfortable to be around a dude that big who's pissed off.
00:20:35.000The only thing I will say to you, Joe, is that I think we've been doing a viral campaign of truth.
00:20:41.000And if you read the Rolling Stone article, he spends a lot of time talking about things that are uncomfortable for him.
00:20:46.000Correctional officer, playing football, things that he's never talked about.
00:20:50.000I totally didn't even plan on reading this shit.
00:20:52.000I just got it, and I said I have to bring it in because I knew that Rick was coming in.
00:20:55.000Well, he talks about playing football, and we believe it's because we brought up the fact that when we called the school, they didn't have a record of him playing football.
00:24:32.000And what essentially happened was Rick first decided to go for, Freeway Rick decided to go to federal court, and when he went to federal court, it's not the best place because California has so much better protections for, I guess you could say, personality rights, name rights.
00:24:46.000So, you know, federal court said, go take it to California.
00:24:49.000There's a better place to hear it there.
00:24:51.000Came to California and first we sued Universal because Universal is the home of Def Jam.
00:24:56.000The judge said Rick was late in filing against Universal.
00:25:36.000Lior, L-Y-O-R. He talks about something called a fast forward model.
00:25:40.000They don't want to develop artists anymore.
00:25:42.000So essentially, they try to fast forward them.
00:25:44.000And what essentially happened, we believe, is that the labels looked at the fact that this Rick Ross was untapped and they realized, we can just put an artist out and there's already value.
00:26:25.000I'm like, why you got to take my name?
00:26:27.000I built this name and he had had some crazy, he was with Funkmaster Flex and they said some crazy stuff like I should be happy that he kept me alive.
00:26:37.000And even with that, if the guy would come out and admit that he took the name, it would be a little more comforting.
00:26:43.000But when you sit here and lie to me, it just makes it where I'm like, you know, man, this guy here is totally full of...
00:27:11.000Now, what I will say is that there's two fundamental differences with what Rick Ross has done with Freeway Rick versus 50 Cents or Jay-Z with Jazzo.
00:27:20.000And the first being that this is his birth name.
00:27:23.000When you take somebody's birth name, especially somebody like Rick, you essentially can create confusion when you walk in the room because it's not a nickname.
00:28:24.000Look, there's an article where he says in 01, I mean, I'm sorry, 06. This is the rapper, Show and Prove XXL. He says, it's rumored that the guy started the Crips.
00:28:33.000Then you come out with a song with Jay-Z and Dre, Three Kings, where he says, my cousin was a Crip, heard it was a C thing.
00:29:16.000You know, let me let me make right what I made wrong because by right, he should have came to me and said something to me from the beginning.
00:29:32.000And been under the restraints that I was under.
00:29:34.000And for folks who don't know, we talked about this in the last time you were here, but for folks who don't know, he thought you were in jail for life, but you, because of reading different legal arguments in jail, you realized that the three strikes rule did not apply to your case because two of the things were consecutive.
00:36:13.000I mean, it's not about reporting the truth.
00:36:15.000That's why it's so good that, you know, people like you are doing the podcast and the internet, you know, because right now with the mainstream media, man, they're all bought and paid for it.
00:36:58.000You know, there's people in other countries that still look at the news and they look at journalism like they have an obligation to show the uncomfortable truth.
00:37:06.000And that's why I think that Brandon Sautenberg, the guy at Spin Magazine, shout out to him because he did a really good job of getting his piece out.
00:37:13.000What's funny, he puts it in Spin Magazine and makes the cover.
00:37:16.000We didn't know it was going to be on the cover.
00:37:18.000And then the next morning, Costa Rica Times runs it, of all places.
00:40:35.000When they start doing the same shit with corporations, they start accepting giant amounts of money, and then they're both basically beholden to the same people at the top.
00:40:45.000But you benefit socially when Democrats are in, you know...
00:40:49.000Well, you know, that's our whole system right now.
00:40:51.000Everybody's being paid for, you know, by big corporations.
00:40:56.000It really is staggering when you stop and think about it.
00:40:59.000You look at the amount of money that's donated to campaigns and you look at some of the things that people have said that they would do before they got in the office and then you find out what they're really going to do.
00:42:21.000They've got to understand that If eventually, if the money doesn't trickle down to the normal people, if the normal people keep living in the conditions that they're living in, that revolution is going to come.
00:42:34.000You know, I mean, they see it happen in all these other countries, you know, which they help.
00:42:39.000Well, that's why they keep passing these new laws.
00:42:41.000That's what all these National Defense Authorization Act and the ability to impound people without having to give them due legal process, all that stuff that they're doing right now and passing through law is to just prepare for civil unrest, prepare to do things legally because somebody wrote it on paper, something that's absolutely immoral.
00:42:59.000So that's what they're preparing to do.
00:43:01.000They're preparing to do everything the same way Bahrain is doing it, the same way Saudi Arabia is doing it.
00:43:06.000I mean, we have to look at all these places like Egypt and Libya.
00:43:11.000You have to look at that and go, worst case scenario, someone could go fucking crazy here too.
00:43:16.000I got this crazy, crazy email, and it had a PDF in there, and it was from Citibank.
00:43:23.000It was a PDF that only was sent to elite clients, and it was basically telling them how to manage their money amidst chaos, because chaos is coming.
00:44:02.000I mean, the whole thing just shattered into the rocks and it had to rebuild itself with time.
00:44:06.000And that keeps happening over and over again to people.
00:44:09.000We get to this point where we get super greedy and we have a lot of money and a lot of resources and the people at the top just hoard over that shit and then, boom, it hits the rocks.
00:44:54.000If you were Bill Gates, wouldn't you want to just chill?
00:44:58.000There's no way you're going to spend all that money.
00:45:00.000But for him, he's got this empire thing in his head.
00:45:04.000He gets off on controlling all these different operating systems, having all these computers, having this giant market share, conquering and moving forward and creating new technology and creating new Xboxes and shit.
00:46:24.000And it actually gives you alkaloids and it gives you some minerals and shit and phytonutrients from eating the plants, the leaves, like chewing it up.
00:48:07.000It doesn't make sense that it's still around.
00:48:09.000It's just one more piece of evidence that shows how crazy we are.
00:48:14.000The marijuana one, it's not like there's nothing that can get you fucked up.
00:48:18.000It's not like marijuana is the only thing that we've ever had ever that gets you fucked up.
00:48:22.000And then people would be like, man, maybe we shouldn't really be messing with our normal state of consciousness because everything seems to be going smooth as long as people are sober.
00:48:29.000But there's a lot of shit that can get you fucked up everywhere you go.
00:49:15.000What I've always said is that the number one problem that we have in this country is that people are not caring how young people that aren't theirs are growing up.
00:49:23.000And you've got to look at young people as like the number one piece of potential.
00:49:28.000Like if there's anything that has potential, it's a human being.
00:49:31.000And you have human beings that grow up with no future and no fucking chance and no hope and no nothing and no education and no love.
00:49:51.000It's like we've got to find out where we're wounded, where we're wounded.
00:49:53.000We'll find that spot, whatever that spot is, culturally, where is the most amount of crime, where's the most amount of despair, where's the least amount of love.
00:50:04.000And until they patch that shit up, We're never going to figure this out.
00:50:08.000You're always going to have craziness that makes no sense, like this fake Rick Ross character, or like marijuana being illegal, or like Mitt Romney.
00:51:53.000I mean, have you tried to pull over, like change lanes on the freeway, on the street, and the guy next to you speeds up and he's going just fast enough to keep you from getting over?
00:57:29.000Yeah, so, you know, we're going around now, you know, basically just trying to...
00:57:35.000Trying to do what we just talked about, educating the kids on becoming critical thinkers and letting them know that eventually we're going to have to take the power back into our own hands or be led to slaughter.
00:57:48.000We have a non-profit now too, FreewayLiteracy.org.
00:57:51.000Freeway Literacy Foundation has been talking to a couple of celebrities.
00:57:57.000It's about, of course, literacy in regard to reading, but also leadership literacy and financial literacy.
00:58:02.000Because now, coming back to our point in this whole podcast, a lot of people can read and write.
00:58:07.000But the question is, what are you reading and writing?
01:01:08.000On a federal level, man, if it really got anything done, if voting really could change things, they'd figure out a way to fuck it up.
01:01:17.000They'd figure out a way to make it illegal.
01:01:19.000Yeah, one of the things I was even telling Rick was I was looking at some of the local elections and like 20,000 people, we could mobilize 20,000 people and pick who we want.
01:02:17.000From there, any speech you're ever going to do somewhere, anything you want to get passed through, anything you want to let people know about that they don't know about, You have a voice.
01:02:28.000And you have a voice that, I mean, it'll start off with, you know, X amount of people, and then it'll double, and then it'll triple.
01:02:35.000And as long as you keep doing it, next thing you know, you got your own fucking radio show.
01:02:40.000You got your own Freeway Ricky radio show.
01:02:42.000You can do whatever the fuck you want.
01:02:43.000Because I know I still get people to come up to me for my last show that we did.
01:04:11.000If you can give them a shiny ass wheel.
01:04:13.000Whoa, I saw a dude who had like a Chevy Caprice, like a Caprice Classic, and they were the most ridiculous wheels I've ever seen in my life.
01:05:32.000Well, there's real problems with electric cars, man.
01:05:35.000You know, people want to go electric, but you realize that electric relies on lithium-ion batteries, and they get that shit from war zones.
01:05:42.000You know, anywhere where there's lithium, people are dying.
01:05:46.000You know, there's lithium in the Congo, there's lithium, there's pockets of lithium that were recently found in Afghanistan.
01:16:02.000Look, if you wanted to think about it that way, you could brag about the guy selling so much, people will try shit they hear is real popular.
01:16:11.000And then you start to get advertisement.
01:16:56.000There's a lot of people that are working in Baskin-Robbins scooping ice cream, but they're interesting motherfuckers.
01:17:01.000If you sat down and talked to them for a long period of time, they might be able to actually write a book that's pretty fucking badass that you would want to read.
01:17:07.000He might be able to rap about ice cream and be like, I never thought a motherfucker could rap about ice cream and I would think it was fun.
01:17:13.000It all depends on the individual and the context of what they're saying.
01:17:16.000So that guy for sure could have pulled off talking about being a corrections officer.
01:17:21.000He just had to be a bad motherfucker to do it.
01:18:12.000But is it possible that someone could be so good at rapping that they could pull off being a bad motherfucker even though they used to be a corrections officer?
01:18:21.000And it's probably going to happen one day.
01:19:55.000And the guy calls me, he calls me, he's like, yeah, I'm sitting right next to that dude right now, and they just played the song on the radio.
01:20:00.000And did he know that it was him that played that song?
01:22:28.000He does it so smart, too, because I got to see him in Dayton.
01:22:30.000He'll do the whole Machine story, and it's like a new version of it where he's tightened it up and made, like, you know, just even...
01:22:36.000Put it to the next level and then when he's done, he's like and I have machine shirts up front and then like everybody after hearing that amazing stories like hello, bye, bye.
01:24:36.000And everybody should be treated like one.
01:24:37.000I don't think that, you know, this guy's a bigger person than you because he has money in the bank or I'm smaller than you because I don't have any money.
01:25:00.000My problem with the way this world is screwed up is that it seems like the debt is so considerable, it's almost like the whole thing doesn't make sense anymore.
01:25:08.000I don't understand finances that much, but when you start talking the trillions of dollars of debt, and we talk about what the interest rate is, and you talk about how much people will be paying off, and where is Social Security coming from, when you start looking at those numbers, it's almost like this just seems broken.
01:26:18.000But if someone's selling some unsanctioned substances, and there's a demand and a supply, and these dudes selling Oxycontins, these fucking guys living behind velvet gates, no one's coming after them.
01:27:39.000We used to call it in jail when there were certain guys that they would put on drugs when we were in jail, and they would just be standing there going back and forth with their feet.
01:27:47.000And we would call it the Thorazine Shuffle.
01:27:51.000So it's awful when they do that to young kids, you know, because that stuff really mess you up.
01:29:46.000Yeah, pull the muscle, get hurt on the football field...
01:29:48.000They'll hook you up with some OxyContin?
01:29:51.000I don't know if they give you Oxycontin.
01:29:52.000Now they do have medicine that they give you and you have to go up and you go to the doctor and they put it in a cup and right then you have to throw it in your mouth, drink some water and then open your mouth up so the doctor can look inside and make sure that you took the pill.
01:30:06.000Now those pills are like really, really prescription medicine.
01:30:13.000But then they would give you like a ibuprofen, you know, you can just bring those back to your cell.
01:30:18.000Yeah, stuff that doesn't get you high is fine.
01:32:25.000No, they just send it to your books, or say for instance, the guy in the kitchen who cooks, he knows you, so he gives you credit, and then you can just tell your people, hey, this is the guy's name, this is his booking number, send him $300.
01:32:37.000And that'll cover you for the whole month.
01:32:49.000Does anybody have it like that scene in Goodfellas where they're in there cooking, they got a razor blade, and they're chopping up the garlic, and they're frying steak?
01:32:57.000Does anybody have it set up like they have a cell that's pretty badass?
01:34:11.000You know, it's crazy because even in prison, when I play basketball or something like that or football and people want to foul me hard, you know, the guys be like, man, you can't do that to Rick.
01:34:23.000I mean, even right now, you know, there's guys on the street that want to hurt this dude.
01:36:38.000It's amazing how the whole thing transpired.
01:36:41.000And the fact that you didn't know how to read when you first started on your journey to try to figure out what was wrong with your case, that's incredible because, I mean, you literally, from the ground up, had to do it.
01:37:15.000And I would look at it as if I had read it and then would pass it on to them.
01:37:19.000Like, say, for contracts when I would go buy a house.
01:37:22.000Well, I would look at the contract for a little while and try to figure out in my mind how long it would take a person to read the contract.
01:40:53.000That was one of the things that they were really fascinated about me lasting so long in the drug business is that my neighbors allowed me to do it.
01:41:02.000I mean, my neighbors could have had me arrested immediately because they knew what I was doing.
01:41:09.000One time I stashed some drugs inside a brick wall in between my mom's house and my neighbor's house and it fell through the fence into her yard.
01:41:20.000And so she picks up, I don't know, maybe like $200,000 worth of dope.
01:44:42.000I got the boot marks in my back, you know, where they stomp me, and I ain't been through it.
01:44:48.000I was Rodney King like four or five years before Rodney King.
01:44:52.000Most people who have never seen that before Rodney King had no idea that that could go on.
01:44:58.000Unless you saw like the video from the Chicago, was it the Democratic convention in the 60s where the cops beat the fuck out of those kids?
01:45:06.000Yeah, there was some convention in the 60s where the cops just beat the fuck out.
01:45:11.000The fuck out of these kids with clubs and it was horrific because it was on TV and people got to see it for the first time in the news.
01:45:17.000It was before Kent State when they shot those kids who were protesting the Vietnam War.
01:45:41.000But it got to the point where the technology got to where the common person could have a video camera and then boom, they could catch someone doing something.
01:45:49.000Now they got guys in South Central that got little cameras that they...
01:45:53.000They're strapped to their chest and walk around with it.
01:46:06.000It looks like a big pen, but it does HD. You can just set it down and record HD. Yeah, they have that spy shop where that's all they specialize in, like shit that you can wear, hats and stuff that film and things along those lines.
01:46:21.000Yeah, I was with a guy the other night and he had this thing and I was like, man, what's that on your chest?
01:48:19.000I think human beings, when they get into a position of power, they lose objectivity, and they start looking at it as an us-versus-them thing.
01:51:00.000And we looked more at Trayvon at that time and just discussed the reality.
01:51:05.000This is an interview of me and Rick, and we discussed the reality of when you put that image out, how it creates fear-mongering, not only amongst the cops, but also regular citizens like Zimmerman.
01:54:41.000Because I was one of the most successful drug dealers in the history of the United States and I went to jail and he thought I was going to jail for life.
01:54:47.000But I learned how to read in jail and I got out because I found a hole in the fucking case and now here I am on the Rick Ross podcast.
01:54:56.000That's the beginning of every episode.
01:54:57.000They would listen to that, and then every kid who would listen to it, who was probably a Rick Ross fan, the fake guy, the rapper, would listen to that first couple seconds, just you saying, if you thought this was Rick Ross, the rapper, nope, this is the dude that Rick Ross stole his fucking name from, the real Rick.
01:55:22.000Well, we got a lot of pressure on him, man.
01:55:24.000I mean, every time he comes out with something, if you really search the internet, like that Rolling Stone article came out on that Friday.
01:56:58.000But the internet levels the whole playing field in terms of, like, even if mass media doesn't want to cover certain things, what the internet allows us to do is immediately put pressure through.
01:59:13.000Out of my whole life, the best thing that's come out now is that I'm able to go back and tell kids the real story, you know, how a person can go from being a tennis player to selling drugs, you know, almost overnight.
01:59:30.000You know, one day I was a tennis player, and the next day I'm a drug dealer.
01:59:36.000So it's not like They tell you that this big, mean monster is going to come down and start you selling drugs.
01:59:45.000One of my best friends started me selling drugs.
01:59:48.000He showed me cocaine for my first time.
01:59:55.000And what I think is so important that these kids know that that's how you're going to get induced to drugs, not by some stranger, not from Rick Ross, the drug dealer, is not going to come down and introduce you to drugs.
02:00:09.000You know, it's going to be somebody close to you.
02:00:10.000So I think with me using my experience and my story to educate the world, you know, I believe that we definitely need educating.
02:00:41.000There's so many different facets and phases of your life.
02:00:44.000It's so interesting to have your, you know, run in Los Angeles phase, to being incarcerated with no hope of escaping phase, to figuring out how to read phase, to now educating kids phase.
02:00:56.000This is, I mean, what is it like to be at this phase of your life now, like reflecting back on all the madness of the previous phases?
02:01:06.000It's like, wow, you know, this is what you had to go through to become who you are today.
02:01:12.000You know, had I not went through all those scenarios, had I not been bitten by the dog, beaten in the head with flashlights, had drugs planted on you by the police, could I be able to rationalize all the things that I rational with right now?
02:01:27.000You know, being able to sit in prison with a guy that you gave his first drug to, and he has a life sentence, And at one time we both got life sentences.
02:01:37.000You know, this guy wanted to be like me so much that he not only copied me but he also went to prison with me, had a life sentence with me.
02:01:44.000We walked the track and then I have to walk, when I walked out of prison, to leave him there.
02:01:50.000All these things shaped me for who I am today and I believe that That's what gives me the ability to be able to walk in a boardroom with an Ori Emanuel or Jeff Bird or Michael Linton and then I can leave from there and go to South Central to Watts and go to Jordan High School and sit there and talk to the kids.
02:02:12.000How many dudes get out after long stretches like that and they become institutionalized and they can't take the regular world?
02:02:32.000You know, like right now, even when I got into it with my PO and he was talking about sending me back, I was like, send me back for a year.
02:03:08.000As a matter of fact, he started out a little before I did.
02:03:12.000Before that, he did juvenile hall and had been incarcerated all his life.
02:03:16.000Well, just the other week, he went and did one of the stupidest crimes that you can't believe it.
02:03:23.000He almost had a life sentence for crack cocaine.
02:03:25.000He went and sold somebody two ounces of crack cocaine, I hear, and now he's back in jail and he's looking at a life sentence all over again, or 20 years.
02:05:21.000I believe that the only way we can solve this drug problem is with education because, like you said, as long as there's a demand for drugs, there's going to be a supplier.
02:05:59.000And if you can find an alternate way for that person, I'm not saying get the same level of respect, but be respected, then you can give them an alternate route that isn't as dangerous.
02:06:09.000They might choose that over the extra money.
02:06:12.000Yeah, well, everybody would most certainly choose a karma-free form of success over success that involves real dangerous shit and going to jail and getting shot.
02:06:22.000It's just how do we get people to aspire that high?
02:06:26.000I mean, we've got to do a lot of work on the culture of this country, of just the way we raise human beings.
02:06:35.000I mean, all of this from Snooki to this ridiculous nonsense that we feed each other.
02:06:41.000It's okay if it's just you at the airport picking it up and laughing.
02:06:46.000But it's the people that actually get influenced by that, influenced by this ding-dong culture of nonsense and fake drug sales and fake shooting people.
02:08:15.000So they really are making money off the glamorization of the drug trade.
02:08:19.000But you forget the other part of it, which is...
02:08:22.000I mean, sometimes you see, I don't know if you've ever seen, where they'll rip down a building just to create the jobs that build the building back up.
02:08:29.000What they're making money off of now is actually ripping down black men's lives in some of these cases.
02:08:33.000Because what's happening is these black men come out in these areas.
02:08:37.000And I'm a former prosecutor here in L.A. And these black men are born into certain areas where they're crime riddled, they're drug infested.
02:08:45.000And then essentially they go out and they sell the drugs.
02:08:48.000And instead of fixing the drug problem by saying, we're not going to let the drugs in the community no more, what they do is then push them into prison.
02:08:54.000But you've got to remember, it's not just pushing them into prison.
02:08:57.000There's jobs all along the way, which is like somebody's got to type in his name.
02:09:39.000But no, that really is the way things work.
02:09:41.000We're going to pay $40,000 to keep you in prison, but we're not going to give you a job where you can make $18,000 a year, and then you won't commit a crime.
02:09:48.000It's crazy how many people are in jail.
02:09:50.000And I don't think most people understand that the numbers in America are higher than anywhere else in the world.
02:12:33.000We have to figure out a way to make it profitable for evil companies to make people smarter and clean up crime.
02:12:39.000If we could figure out a way to take Halliburton out of Iraq and have them rebuild South Central, make it a trillion-dollar contract to rebuild fucked-up areas, wouldn't that be an amazing way to use resources?
02:14:31.000The guy that did the documentary worked for the Wall Street Journal.
02:14:34.000And what he showed is that while we ended slavery with the Emancipation Proclamation in the 1860s, We didn't really end slavery until 1945. That's when the FBI, when you said, my brother is being held as a slave on this farm, that's the first time the FBI went and investigated it.
02:15:19.000See, you know, there's people that will get angry when someone talks about reparations for slavery.
02:15:25.000But if you don't think that the culture needs to put a certain amount of emphasis on something that happened...
02:15:32.000In the previous century that, you know, I mean if that's really 1940, the previous century that might control like the fate of millions and millions and millions of Americans that are in fucked up situations?
02:15:46.000It just seems like to me, I've always said this, I'll say it one more time, that the society's stronger when you have less losers.
02:15:51.000It would seem to me that if you really wanted to make America better, you don't go to foreign countries.
02:15:54.000You take all the kids that are growing up fucked up and you figure out a way to get them counselors.
02:15:58.000You figure out a way to bring in sports.
02:16:00.000You figure out a way to get them education.
02:16:01.000You figure out a way to, it seems to be way cheaper to do that than it would be to go to Afghanistan with tanks.
02:16:07.000You would send this cocaine worse than crack than that too.
02:17:51.000Somebody got to feed them, grow the food, even though they grow the food themselves, but they won't feed that food to the prisoners.
02:17:59.000Actually, in the United States, in England, they started in the 90s.
02:18:03.000But the United States, they've been doing it since the 1800s.
02:18:06.000Beginning in 1868, convict leases were issued to private parties to supplement their workforce.
02:18:14.000And that's part of this documentary, Slavery by Another Name as well.
02:18:17.000What they showed is that Chase, J.P. Morgan, after slavery ended in 1865, what they did effectively is they would make it a crime for you not to have a job.
02:20:00.000And then if you look at this music, this music doesn't help because it perpetuates, and it's almost like, it's like Viagra with sex.
02:20:08.000You listen to this music, you become a little violent, angry little person, and then you do something that you normally might not do if you listen to Marvin Gaye.
02:20:17.000You won't hurt nobody to listen to Marvin Gaye.
02:20:20.000The modern private prison business first emerged and established itself publicly in 1984 when the Corrections Corporation of America was awarded a contract To take over a facility in Hamilton County, Tennessee.
02:20:34.000How much would it suck to go to jail in Hamilton County, Tennessee when these motherfuckers passed that law?
02:20:41.000Yeah, they would put you in this mine, and then you wouldn't even see the light of day.
02:20:45.000And the thing about being a prisoner versus a slave, they said, is that at least as a slave you are property, so they have some value for you as property.
02:20:54.000But when you're a prisoner, they just throw you away.
02:22:05.000They don't want to take a chance, and they can make money off you being inside.
02:22:09.000And then the crazy part about the crack sentence law is, and I asked another DA this that had more experience than myself, is there any law on the books, non-violent, that's punished that way?
02:23:22.000We've got to raise a few more hundred grand for this crack in the systems.
02:23:25.000But what we did is we've been going around, investigating, doing all our work, you know, going over archive footage of Ronald Reagan talking about...
02:23:33.000We've got Ronald Reagan talking about crack cocaine, right?
02:23:35.000We got a cop that did five years for basically planting drugs, and for the first time ever, he's on camera.
02:23:42.000And he looks like fucking De Niro or somebody.
02:23:46.000So we got him basically talking about what drove him to plant drugs and to actually take money.
02:23:54.000Because you come in, we're talking about 1980, you come into a house with a 15-year-old kid in there, and there's $60,000 on the floor, which is like $300,000 today.
02:24:32.000uh that i saw uh like blow was close blow was close yeah that's why i let nick write my uh my script oh it's the same guy is writing your script yeah yeah blow was really close what's his name nick what nick cassavetti cassavetti yeah he's supposed to direct the movie for us uh when is that gonna happen we working on that right now too is too short gonna play you No.
02:27:17.000No matter what he seems like when he's just talking in interviews and fucking around, When it comes down to actual acting, he's one of those dudes who can become a different guy.
02:27:25.000There's only a few of those Russell Crowe, Daniel Day-Lewis type dudes out there, but Jamie Foxx can do the shit out of that.
02:27:38.000And then when you realize he's actually singing that shit, that's what's even crazier.
02:27:42.000Like Jamie Foxx is a fucking incredible singer too.
02:27:45.000Yeah, and the thing about our script, the way it's written, it's like a mix between traffic, I would say traffic, blow, and like Boys in the Hood.
02:27:53.000No Scarface, no Scarface at all in there?
02:27:55.000And that's why I was going to tell you the interesting, let me say one more thing about Scarface, because we met with the producer of Scarface.
02:28:01.000It's interesting because we were sitting and watching Scarface.
02:28:03.000Remember that 83 is around the same time as Rick.
02:28:06.000When Scarface goes overseas to the connection, he's talking about 100 keys a month.