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00:04:40.000If you're interested in nootropics, there's a lot of stuff that you can get on your own and just buy it in bulk and it's way cheaper than doing this like what we've done.
00:05:35.000I saw this girl last night that had her father on her arm as a child, though, and it was just this little child on her arm, and I'm like, has anyone ever tried to, like, is it messy?
00:05:45.000Is it weird when people are like, you know, like I try to make him blink?
00:05:49.000You know, like as a baby and like fuck her with the face and it's like, is that weird to you?
00:05:52.000She goes, no, this guy's cummed on it before and I made him lick it off and I'm like, what?
00:06:26.000I was trying to remember the story that happened last night, but then I was too stoned to remember it, so then I was trying to stumble while telling a story.
00:08:54.000I sat there, and this girl comes up to me that I knew from a long time ago, Jason's ex-girlfriend, Jason Chambers' ex-girlfriend, comes up and goes, Eddie, what's up?
00:09:03.000And she gives me a hug and goes, oh shit, and she looks at me and goes, you should let Kat Von D tattoo you!
00:09:09.000I'm like, that is crazy, because I was just thinking that an hour and a half ago.
00:09:28.000It's just interesting that you came in riding on that vehicle because it really honestly would have probably worked more against you than for you, but somehow you made it through.
00:09:37.000She was bros with the casting director and she goes, the casting director loves UFC. She wasn't bros with anyone.
00:11:06.000It's almost like the story of your life is like the writers are working on it less and it's just getting shittier and easier for things to happen.
00:11:16.000It's like, instead of it being some complicated fucking war and peace epic of complicated I do twining personalities.
00:11:24.000No, I just think about some shit and the next day you get a phone call.
00:11:29.000Imagine if you had a bunch of magic gifts and you didn't know about them and you were just using them on tattoos and shit when you could maybe fly or breathe underwater or something.
00:11:41.000You might have had a magic gift and you made it happen.
00:11:45.000Maybe you get a handful of those in your life and you just decided to do that and make it happen.
00:11:52.000Actually, when you think about it, even if you had like little magic, like the ability to make something happen, a few gifts like that in your life, you're really not going to be able to do anything that's truly supernatural.
00:12:03.000I mean, that would have already been done already.
00:12:05.000So like when you look at someone who's got like a tattoo is actually one of the best things you can do.
00:12:10.000Get something that's permanent artwork on your skin that to you, I know, means an incredible amount.
00:12:15.000And to get it from someone like her, and to get it all in one big...
00:12:18.000That really is better than most magic tricks.
00:12:42.000Because then it shows that someone got dragged in and pulled...
00:12:46.000But, you know, I think, too, I think it's smarter on the, I mean, you know, the relatability on that in comparison to your actual story, you know, like what you do and what it took to get you there and the meaning behind the tattoos, a lot more, I guess, you know, it resonates with the viewer much more than saying, oh, yeah, hey, this is a Hollywood moment.
00:13:24.000Yeah, I'm a big fan of being the master of your own reality, I think.
00:13:29.000You know, it's not so much about wishing your way through something or manifesting it, but, you know, I think certain mental attitudes or mentalities that are more productive than others.
00:13:38.000Well, we know that certain attitudes, I mean, you've talked about it, like that John Sarno back thing, like if you have like some sort of a, like, you could be upset or angry at things.
00:13:48.000And have a bad back and think that your bad back is actually like an injury.
00:14:35.000Yeah, but my thinking was that, you know, you really do change a lot of shit with your mind.
00:14:41.000I mean, your mind, just in the things that you come up with, like your artwork, doesn't ever feel like sometimes, like, where the fuck is this coming from?
00:14:50.000This is almost like, it's coming out of nowhere.
00:15:11.000I guess I'm the luckiest person on the planet.
00:15:13.000I think it's just more perspective, really.
00:15:17.000I've been tattooed since I was 14 years old.
00:15:19.000I got into my first tattoo shop when I was 16. Illegally, obviously.
00:15:24.000And I never went through a traditional apprenticeship or anything like that.
00:15:26.000But then this funny idea for a TV show happened when I was like 21, 22. And it changed the dynamics of things.
00:15:34.000At the time I was drinking and partying a lot, so I'm sober now.
00:15:39.000I almost had resentment towards people after doing a lot of the same stuff over and over again and the expectations that come in, it kind of rapes the art at times.
00:18:32.000I mean, we all know when someone's not focusing on us when you're having a conversation, when they're looking at their phone or doing something else.
00:18:37.000Yeah, or you know, like when you meet people and they're just like, they're just dickheads or they're angry or they're having a bad day or it's hot or whatever.
00:18:44.000And I've like witnessed it before where I can like bring...
00:20:57.000And I had a hard time, I think, forgiving myself for a long time because I'm really close with my dad and stuff.
00:21:02.000He actually lived with me up until recently and he got his own place and I was pretty bummed about that.
00:21:07.000Yeah, at the time I was like, oh, you know, I never wanted to hurt anybody's feelings.
00:21:10.000I just really felt like the need to do this thing that my family didn't understand, you know.
00:21:15.000And they're from a different culture, like I said, and stuff, so they weren't really prepared for, you know, they assumed like, tattooing, oh my god, you're like a hoodlum or a gangster or a drug addict or a hooker or whatever, you know.
00:21:37.000The way we were brought up was not very Americanized at all.
00:21:40.000Which I'm glad because I feel like that's really honestly one of the things I credit to being able to do all the things I've done is just the discipline.
00:21:48.000The three of us, my brother Sis and I, we were all classically trained on the piano since I was six.
00:21:54.000Two hours a day we had to practice when we would rather be hanging out and stuff.
00:21:59.000We were way too bored to afford video games and shit like that.
00:22:03.000So I drew all the time and spent time with my family and stuff.
00:23:12.000My dad, who is super anti-tattoos and doesn't have any or anything, it took 10 years of me tattooing because I started tattooing on that TV show after 10 years of tattooing.
00:23:23.000It took a television show for my dad to actually, you know, acknowledge the fact that I wasn't, like, not a loser, but, you know, like, that I wasn't throwing my life away.
00:23:33.000He's like, oh, and sometimes it takes that.
00:25:50.000I like the idea of like putting that good stuff out there, you know, like all my books and everything.
00:25:57.000It's really easy for me to talk about my downfalls or like my issues or not struggles because that sounds like I'm a martyr or something.
00:26:03.000But like, you know, the shit I've experienced in hopes that, I don't know, people would feel less alone because I know what it's like to feel that way.
00:26:26.000I remember Dr. Drew and I had a conversation about that, because I loved this book that he wrote, and in it talked about how tattooing is like a form of narcissism, not on like a level of, oh, I think I'm awesome, but the opposite, which is narcissism just the same.
00:27:20.000You know, he's been involved in that scandal for influencing the idea that people bought some certain drugs off-label, like saying, touting their sexual benefits and stuff.
00:27:33.000And then he'll talk crap about marijuana or people who smoke pot, and he'll say silly things like how horribly addictive it is.
00:28:25.000Yeah, I mean, I think no one's perfect either, so I feel like, you know, I can see the goodness in everything, even the stuff I don't necessarily agree with, you know?
00:28:36.000Yeah, I just, I would like to look at things that way.
00:28:40.000I would like to look at people with tattoos and just, you know, I don't know why anybody got them, but I look at them and go, wow, I hope you like it.
00:28:46.000I hope it's something that means something.
00:28:48.000Everybody, for whatever reason, wants to immediately try to figure out what was fucked up with you that made you get to the place where you enjoy that.
00:28:58.000I'm more scared of the person who's totally corporate and working in a cubicle that's miserable and there's suppression of creativity.
00:29:08.000Like, God, imagine if everybody was free to do things like, um, as they, you know, like, like I was talking about earlier, people's idea of success.
00:29:15.000It's like, imagine if you didn't, you weren't bound by, like, everybody else's idea of that, you know?
00:29:21.000Like, if you could settle for a job that paid less, but you were completely happy.
00:29:25.000I mean, my dad and I, we used to argue about this all the time because he's like, you know, you didn't go to high school.
00:29:29.000And then it's like, yeah, I know, dad, I know.
00:29:32.000Like, you went to years of school and you...
00:29:34.000Don't like what you do and you're struggling so hard and you know my dad comes from a medical background and stuff but um and I was so on my way to work every day and I walked down like the tarnished fucking Hollywood stars you know like just walking I'm like oh my god there's like a bunch of punk rockers there and it's like oh look it's just life is good like I love it you know and and if I wasn't getting paid I'd still be happy.
00:29:56.000There's a documentary that Werner Herzog just put out.
00:29:59.000It's called The Happy People, A Year in the Taiga.
00:30:03.000It's these people that live up in Siberia and how happy they are.
00:36:51.000Access to some other things would destroy it.
00:36:54.000The idea is that it takes the body somewhere between 10 and maybe even possibly 20,000 or more years to completely change.
00:37:02.000Like to completely change as far as like for you to have like a genetic response to adaptation to change.
00:37:12.000So like 10,000 years for us is a long, long time to a human being.
00:37:16.000But to species, it's really not that much.
00:37:19.000So in order for things to decide that they're moving in certain directions, then they start changing.
00:37:23.000And that's one of the things that, like, the really controversial ideas behind autism is that autism is not necessarily a benefit, but that autism might be a new possible way that the brain can operate.
00:37:39.000You know, with some, like, really high-functioning autistics.
00:37:42.000It's like what they're showing is, like, even though it's coming through in a disease, and even though it brings with it debilitating social issues and shit like that, The positive aspects of it, like a kid that can look out a window and then draw the whole fucking skyline.
00:37:56.000What that is, is representing the next stage of human evolution.
00:38:00.000And that all the information that we're getting from sitting in front of computers, from interacting with each other in a way that no one has ever been able to do before.
00:39:28.000Shit about, like, point out all the downfalls of my television show versus anyone else.
00:39:33.000So, like, in vague terms, I think that my problem with it, or my reason that I stay away from it, aside from just being, I got too many ideas that I want to do, and I don't have time, but, like, is that I am too sensitive.
00:39:45.000So, like, I get heartbroken by billboards.
00:39:48.000Like, seriously, there was, like, a movie, I remember.
00:39:51.000There was, like, a movie, and they had billboards everywhere.
00:40:18.000Wow, and you almost cried looking at a billboard?
00:40:21.000I mean, if I think about it too much, yeah, I do.
00:40:23.000So it's like I watch, if I were to sit there and watch these television shows where the premise is to like, you know, there's a rich guy and a bunch of girls are fighting over this guy and they're using like their tits and ass as qualities.
00:41:38.000And fucked my head for the rest of the night.
00:41:40.000Yeah, and it's weird, and I think it's like we just kind of like, we, I think it's like people become so desensitized, and I guess that's the part that I have a problem with, you know?
00:41:48.000You see it on Twitter, you see it on Instagram, it's like everybody's so negative and mean and take any opportunity to knock people down.
00:41:54.000I've never been from that Like, train of thought, you know, because my parents just raised us a lot differently and stuff, and so it, like, I get, like, I get butthurt really easily.
00:42:10.000I mean, it's like, yeah, giving that any value is just as bad, I think, but...
00:42:16.000I just want people to be nice, that's all.
00:42:18.000I think almost all really expressive people, anybody who's artistic or very expressive, there's always some extreme sensitivity on the other side of it as well.
00:45:10.000And like, and I mean, I ended up just like reading it from my iPad as I was traveling and totally fucked it up.
00:45:15.000But it was fun and it was great and stuff.
00:45:17.000But then I think I had been recording that night at Linda's and you were at Danny's and I was really excited because I had, because I had like gnarly stage fright issues like for the last year and stuff, just whatever.
00:45:30.000And so finally, I threw the balls, I guess, to get over them.
00:45:33.000And so, obviously, Danny's my best friend and we're going to be working on music.
00:45:37.000So I was like, hey, I want to come over.
00:48:31.000I mean, I think I see a lot of great ideas, you know, in people often, and then you just see kind of a poor execution or an inexperienced execution and stuff.
00:59:42.000hurting and they want to relate somehow so I don't know Well, yeah, I definitely think that, but I also think there's a lot of music that some people just aren't even aware of.
00:59:53.000There's a lot of young kids today that don't even know what a whole lot of love sounds like when you hear it through really good speakers.
00:59:59.000Yeah, but the other day, man, I was driving down Hollywood, and I seen these awesome fucking metalheads, and they were carrying skateboards as young kids, and one had a death shirt on, and the other one had a motorhead shirt on.
01:00:10.000I literally rolled my window down, and my friend Allison was in, and I'm like, Hey, I love you guys.
01:02:16.000I mean, they were 90 miles from our border setting up missile silos.
01:02:19.000I mean, there was a lot of shit that went down during the Kennedy administration.
01:02:22.000So there was that feeling, especially as technology increased.
01:02:26.000And then there was that Star Wars program that came on where they were developing these fucking things to shoot missiles out of the sky.
01:02:33.000They'd be like satellites that were launched up with lasers to zap missiles out of the sky.
01:02:37.000That's like a significant part of the budget and a significant part of what Ronald Reagan was talking about when they were talking about national defense.
01:02:43.000So we were worried about going to war with Russia.
01:04:38.000Fly, shoot things from the sky, and then almost right after that, nuclear bombs.
01:04:43.000It's pretty nutty when you think about that.
01:04:44.000Because there was no fucking airport or airplane wars just a hundred years ago.
01:04:50.000In the early 1900s, they weren't fucking flying everywhere and dropping bombs on each other.
01:04:55.000They started doing that in the 30s and the 40s.
01:04:58.000That's when, like, they started getting better at rocketry, and then BOOM! 47, nuclear bomb, complete game changer.
01:05:04.000The whole thing takes less than a hundred years to go from the airplane being fucking invented to dropping nuclear bombs on people is a hundred years.
01:05:23.000That the invention of the airplane, it goes invention of the airplane all the way to nuclear bombs and it's in less than a hundred years.
01:05:30.000So in essentially one lifetime, we go from people stuck on the ground or in boats to someone who can drop a fucking nuclear bomb on your country.
01:07:20.000At least you would find out what the fuck is going on for a little bit, maybe a couple years of safety before you had to escape to Antarctica.
01:07:26.000Yeah, but let's go back to the Siberians.
01:07:48.000I used to live down the street from Danny, and I remember I went on the rest of the book tour, you know, I think I had like A month or two after, and went through Canada, and I just didn't tell anybody, just kind of, you know, hey, I'm here, and I literally had, like, what I was wearing, and that was it.
01:08:04.000And then when I came back, you know, I told Kat, the other Kat, my assistant, like, I don't really want anything when I get back.
01:08:10.000I'm just going to have a gallery next door to my tattoo shop.
01:08:14.000It's like an art gallery, and we had, like, an upstairs area that was for stock, you know, and, like, Probably the size of your bathroom or something.
01:08:22.000And she went and got an air mattress from Target, which I was like, oh no, it's too much, it's too much, you know?
01:09:31.000I love how when I was at the time, they were like on purpose.
01:09:35.000Well, first of all, I think that's way easier for a woman to do, not just physically, but psychologically, because there's more dickhead dudes.
01:09:43.000And dickhead dudes are dangerous, whereas girls that are a pain in the ass if you date them, they're very rarely dangerous.
01:09:49.000It's not like the weird feeling of intimidation.
01:09:50.000Girls seem so much more emotional and annoying.
01:09:53.000You can get emotional, that's for sure, but it's not like you've been beat up or anything.
01:09:58.000I know women who have been hit by men, and then they're done with men for years.
01:10:02.000I mean, that makes sense, though, to me.
01:10:04.000Whereas a guy taking a year off of sex is like, well, you can't find a nice chick.
01:10:08.000It wasn't about being reactive to something, like, oh, I got hurt.
01:10:12.000No, it was just more as making a conscious decision at the time.
01:10:16.000Imagine if he had just a one-year yeast infection that was a motherfucker.
01:10:19.000I don't even know what that would be like.
01:12:21.000You know, people have to feed themselves and pay their bills and get caught up in that sort of a work cycle where you're doing something with your time every day just in order to stay alive.
01:12:30.000And it's real hard to get on another path once you're on that path.
01:12:33.000Yeah, it's just bad habits, I guess, right?
01:12:38.000If you want to get by in life and you're a person who's, you know, you have a degree and then all of a sudden you have a job and then all of a sudden you have a mortgage and you have a family or whatever the fuck it is that you have.
01:12:48.000Is it X, Y, or Z? The beginning or is it the full money?
01:12:52.000What do you have that's holding you back?
01:12:54.000But when you get to a certain point, when you've accumulated like a mortgage, you've accumulated a car lease and insurance and all this different shit that you have to pay for counseling, it's very, very hard to break free and get your shit together.
01:13:06.000It's very hard to do what you're doing right now.
01:14:24.000Yeah, do you remember when you were a kid and you'd get comic books and every now and then some new idiot was like drawing the Hulk and you're like, what is this guy doing?
01:14:31.000Like the Hulk doesn't even look like this.
01:14:32.000I thought it was worse when like, they like, remember Spider-Man when McFarlane used to draw it and it was like really cool and then I guess McFarlane wanted to like leave or whatever and do his own thing.
01:14:41.000So they found somebody that just copied his own style of art and that was really weird.
01:14:45.000Is that Todd McFarlane, the Spawn guy?
01:16:33.000He tears up when he talks about his grandmother.
01:16:36.000What is that like for you to have all these people running around there that you have this intense emotional connection with something that you've created on their body?
01:16:47.000I remember one time I was driving to work and this guy was crossing the street and he was really, really tall and I remember he looked like a businessman with a button-up shirt and he was just walking across the street with curly hair and I was staring at him like, I wonder what that guy's deal is.
01:17:04.000He had all his interesting facial features.
01:17:06.000And then I go in to tattoo that day and he was my appointment.
01:17:10.000And I tattooed him and it was the most intense story of like living in fear and regret and just making closure with all these, with death, which is I think one of the harder subjects I think for people.
01:17:24.000And then I remember being done with it and driving back home and seeing him cross the street again to go to wherever his car was parked.
01:17:32.000And I was like, oh, it's like every person could be that guy.
01:18:40.000Yeah I mean that's like sacred ground.
01:18:42.000No it's physically you know take all the funny stuff out it's like physically a very unhealthy thing to do like the amount of toxins and whatever.
01:21:10.000And so I was like, yeah, you know, like, I'll put up, like, The partitioners, you know, that you see at the hospital and stuff so that others can't watch or whatever.
01:21:18.000And no, you don't get an erection during that time.
01:21:29.000It's so crazy like it was like l y n d a apostrophe s it was like hours and hours oh apostrophe s linda's yeah hours and hours of tattooing i was just basically saying it was quite a large tattoo it was a large penis you took your time on it as well just to clarify the penis and the tattoo were both large i mean it would be like you talking to an ob-gyn about you know a 8 inches?
01:21:57.000To you, it might have been like talking to an OBGYN. To a dude who's got a girl touching his penis even under such inauspicious circumstances as covering over.
01:25:19.000I mean like if somebody was sitting, like if he was sitting here then I would get dental bibs around all of it and then I would just, oh god this is awful.
01:26:03.000Yeah, look, it certainly was not sexual.
01:26:05.000I mean, it has to be insanely painful.
01:26:07.000You'd have to be, like, a really sick, but then there's a lot of sick fucks who are, like, really into pain, right?
01:26:12.000No, I think he was more embarrassed than anything, and he was really, again, like, his wife was there, and it was a very, you know, I think he was almost...
01:27:01.000Have you ever been in the middle of tattooing someone and for whatever reason you just told them to get the fuck out of there like I can't do you, you're giving me bad energy, you're annoying, you're crying too much, you're...
01:28:36.000The people who are getting tattooed by me now are just more serious collectors, so I'm not really dealing with a lot of riffraff or weirdness.
01:28:43.000But in the past, I'm digging deep into the past right now.
01:28:46.000So yeah, I mean, sometimes people would come in and wanting to get...
01:28:52.000Tattoos that I don't necessarily agree with.
01:28:54.000I don't need the money, so I don't need to tattoo you if I don't feel good about it.
01:30:21.000And back then, I mean, they really believed that, too.
01:30:24.000I mean, when you were drawing those paintings of the demons skewering dudes in their assholes, like, people really thought that that was going to happen to you if you died and you went to hell.
01:30:33.000Well, I think Caravaggio is one of my favorites, you know, from that era.
01:30:37.000I think he was one of the first more influential painters of the time that started doing renditions of biblical stories and stuff, but painting like Jesus and painting Jesus more in like a very human-like fashion, so it was even more real.
01:36:10.000Oh, I was comfortable from the beginning, but that was because when I was tattooing unprofessionally outside of a shop, I didn't know what I was doing, so there was no bar to...
01:36:18.000I was like, oh, cool, you want to get a misfit skull?
01:36:38.000But looking back, you know, it was actually awesome that I was brought up in that ghetto upbringing because it definitely is the reason why I tattoo the style that I do because, you know, gangsters get cool tattoos.
01:36:51.000They all get all the fine line black and gray stuff and I do a lot of names and memory ofs and all that stuff and old English lettering and lots of heinas and gestures and all this shit.
01:37:01.000I wanted to be a comic book artist when I was a kid.
01:38:20.000It's like you have these brief moments where these doors are open, where this creativity wants to run through.
01:38:26.000And when you're sitting there, I mean, in one sense, it's good to be disciplined, and it's good to be regimented, and it's good to have good fundamentals.
01:38:31.000But it's also good to just let it go when you want to let it go.
01:38:34.000Like you could learn all those things in your own time as far as And I think there are...
01:38:39.000Granted, I think there are some good art teachers out there, but I think that would be such a tricky thing to do because it's such a personal thing, too, you know?
01:38:45.000So it would require a person that was...
01:38:47.000Well, you know, Doug Stanhope and I, we've talked about teaching comedy classes that you could never...
01:38:54.000Like, there's a lot of people that have, like, these comedy classes where, you know, they charge this ridiculous amount of money, you go through all this crazy bullshit with them, and they pretend to turn you into a comedian.
01:39:02.000And we're like, it should be free, you can't charge...
01:39:05.000And you really can't give them any fucking advice because there's almost nothing you can tell them.
01:39:09.000I mean, that should be what the comedy class is.
01:40:05.000But if you hadn't ever done it before, practiced it before, really, Forced your hand to move in the way that you want it to in order to create this image.
01:40:12.000It'd be almost alien, almost impossible.
01:40:14.000For a lot of people, they look at the artwork that you do and it's almost incomprehensible.
01:40:18.000To wrap their head around how someone could recreate something like that.
01:40:43.000I just can't imagine drawing without an eraser for a tattoo artist.
01:40:47.000That just seems to me like the scariest thing in the world because I've never drawn something that I didn't erase something on or change or wish I did something different.
01:40:55.000And is there times when you're tattooing, you're like, shit, I have to now work around this.
01:41:00.000Well, you also got to think about the time you're putting in as opposed to the time she's putting in.
01:41:04.000I mean, she's doing like, you know, you're probably tattooing eight, ten hours a day, right?
01:41:07.000How many hours a day are you doing this?
01:42:14.000Like, oh, I get to do more of this stuff.
01:42:17.000When I talk about it, I'm not saying it in terms of your common perception of how people view success and look at her, she's on TV. It's not that.
01:42:26.000What I mean is how receptive people are and how much resonance your work is having on people.
01:42:32.000Never in a million years would I imagine that.
01:46:50.000The fact that you had to practice all the time and you were very regimented and disciplined and you just became a wild sort of thing because of that.
01:47:00.000Because of the fact that you were so boxed in by a rigid sort of...
01:49:04.000So, you don't have, you haven't had that many boyfriends?
01:49:06.000Yeah, and I mean, I think I've gotten, like, some tattoos for whatever those relationships in the past.
01:49:11.000And, like, my first tattoo was a J and whatever, and I still love it.
01:49:14.000But I think there's, like, two portraits I'd like to get lasered off.
01:49:18.000It seems like for you, I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like, to me at least, if I had to guess, it's probably very difficult for you to enter into a relationship because you seem to be like one of those all-in sort of girls.
01:49:35.000Like you fall in love with someone and yeah, all or nothing.
01:49:38.000So you're ready right away, all in, all or nothing, and then it doesn't work, it's nothing.
01:49:44.000And then it's like, it's hard to make that, it's hard to pull that trigger.
01:50:31.000Like, it's kind of what you see is what you get, you know?
01:50:33.000And I've only met very few people that are that way.
01:50:35.000And so I think that oftentimes you've...
01:50:38.000I tend to fall in love with this perception versus the person.
01:50:41.000And so, in my case, sometimes I feel like it tends to be intense in the beginnings, and then I continue being on fire, and then maybe it's not so much that way.
01:55:58.000Because I know that in the past, where it's kind of like the hippie stuff we were talking about earlier, it's like water is seeking its own level, and I feel like...
01:56:47.000Yeah, I think it's more important to put yourself in a situation where you can be receptive to a healthy relationship.
01:56:51.000Like, you know, when I was depressed, I, like, kind of gravitated towards other people that were also sad, and that doesn't help, you know what I mean?
01:56:59.000So, I think, as far as, like, what you're saying is, like, finding somebody at a level or whatever, yeah, there's that nice understandability, like, you know, I can...
01:57:06.000Talk about things that bug me that may not bug like a regular person or whatever, but it's more like the connection of the mind, you know?
01:57:13.000I want to be inspired by somebody who's equally as driven and equally like wanting to create and like that shit drives me crazy like when someone's into it, you know?
01:57:21.000Whether you're a busboy or a fucking famous musician.
01:57:24.000Yeah, what I'm saying is you're fucked.
01:57:25.000You're never going to find a dude like that.
01:57:27.000Yeah, so I read poetry and then why do you think...
01:57:34.000Anybody dating like a Jessica Alba, that dude has to deal with the fact that She's really good friends with a lot of A-list celebrities, right?
01:57:42.000This is the Siberia thing because it's like all those things are mentally generated ideas of what's important or what's good.
01:57:50.000I don't see it that way, you know what I mean?
01:57:53.000I'm not saying I could fall in love with anybody, but if it's your mind or your soul, whatever you want to call it, I could fall in love with that.
01:58:20.000Yeah, I think it's probably because my own set of issues is like, you know, I'm not a feminist or I don't consider myself anything, but I think...
01:58:29.000You know, just growing up poor, I'm always like, oh, I can do it myself!
02:01:15.000If they had a podcast or an internet radio show where we got to hear them argue about chicks on the road, and you'd be like, oh, you guys are gross.
02:05:00.000And I cringed and I just grabbed the remote controller, shut it off quick.
02:05:03.000Just thinking that these women could enter into my life somehow or another through me watching them on TV. That somehow or another they could make their way into my life and be annoying and yapping at me.
02:05:13.000They were hitting each other and screaming at each other.
02:05:15.000In Miami, you gotta do this and you gotta do that.
02:05:40.000It was like where the premise was like you would learn the story behind each of the tattoos and the interaction between tattooer and client.
02:05:50.000That was 80% of the show and then 20% of it was our own personal life stories that were somehow connected to tattooing.
02:05:58.000And then as the show went on, I can't believe we were on for so long.
02:06:17.000Well, it's a great premise for a show.
02:06:19.000Yeah, but then it started warping into more, it flips, so it's like 20% art and 80% drama, and most of it was produced, hence how that girl got on the show, which I don't know her.
02:07:27.000But the way that the network sees it is what's going to generate more money and it's going to be viewership because they can sell advertisement.
02:09:18.000Yeah, I ended up just filming, like, I secretly filmed a documentary for the last three years, and we're actually finally pretty much done with it.
02:09:25.000And it's awesome, it's so freeing, you know, to be able to do it that way and having the control and stuff.
02:09:30.000And I wish I could have given as much as I gave in my documentary to the show, but I really couldn't because it wasn't mine, you know?
02:09:37.000You should totally have your own show for the internet.
02:10:35.000Yeah I mean you know this includes like our shop managers and stuff like that you know and and like Dennis he's like my first guy ever hired he's like still there everybody's we're so close like what you see on television those were you know like the the cast members that they didn't work at the shop with the exception of Dan Smith like everybody else kind of just kind of they weren't really the true HVT crew you know I mean right but um And we love each other.
02:11:25.000Every time we've let anybody outside the circle in, it's never really worked out the way we need it.
02:11:30.000So it's basically just who we know and kind of comes through that way.
02:11:35.000Were there any people when you were growing up that you looked towards for inspiration that inspired you and just gave you momentum to create art?
02:11:48.000Yeah, I mean, I think like when I was a kid, I used to look at tattoo magazines.
02:11:52.000And when I say kid, I mean like 16 and stuff.
02:11:54.000And like, I remember looking up to Jack Rudy.
02:11:57.000He was like, you know, the black and gray Godfather and all this stuff.
02:12:17.000But I remember him sitting there going like, you know, you guys don't have any business in the business and all this stuff.
02:12:23.000And I was like an 18 year old kid back then.
02:12:25.000And, you know, he's very old school and like sees things a different way.
02:12:28.000And at the time I was like heartbroken, you know, I was like, oh, my hero, I don't know, he wasn't a hero, but like he was somebody I admired his work.
02:12:57.000Yeah, but I remember one of the coolest stories.
02:13:01.000Yeah, when I was tattooing unprofessionally, when I was an amateur 16-year-old, I had heard that there was this girl who owned a shop in Culver City.
02:13:08.000It was the only female artist that owned a shop.
02:13:11.000I was like, whoa, and her name was Erica Stanley.
02:13:14.000And so I remember going down National, and I go in there, and I was like...
02:13:19.000Oh my god, we're here, and it was just a tattoo shop, whatever, and I see her, and she's like really beautiful, and she's just like a power, she's like a force of nature, and she's like, can I help you?
02:13:28.000And I'm like, yeah, you know, and I was just probably being overly cocky, thinking that I had gained a place in the tattoo industry when I was just a 16-year-old little pumpkin with a bullshit bang on my arm, and it's like, And I'm just like, oh man, so do you have any advice for me?
02:13:43.000And I remember she's like, yeah, the best advice I could give you is run while you can.
02:13:48.000And I remember I was so pissed off, like, oh yeah, well, fuck you, you know?
02:13:51.000And I left, and then years later, I understood what she meant by it.
02:13:54.000You know, it wasn't that she was saying, oh, you're not good enough.
02:13:56.000It's just like, ah, like if you got the eye of the tiger, you're going to do it, and you're going to figure out yourself.
02:14:00.000There's nothing I could tell you that's going to make you badass, you know?
02:14:03.000If I were to sit there and coddle you, like...
02:15:32.000It's a different sort of, you know, it's like, if you try to tell your parents you want to be a comic, they look at you like, good fucking luck.
02:15:40.000You need to get a job that's going to work.
02:15:44.000Well, you know, you need to have a backup plan.
02:15:46.000And, you know, I don't think anybody before you, that's the nuttiest thing about what you did is you became like, I mean, Ami, I guess, is famous too, but he's not famous in the same way.
02:15:55.000You know, that show, was that the first show?
02:16:06.000I mean, people, I mean, a guy with a shirt off, and I'm not saying that he's not, I don't know him anymore.
02:16:11.000I haven't seen him in years since those times, and back then I was a drunken mess, but, you know, people can, I think your looks get you so far, you know, and after a while you have to actually care about what you're doing, and you know what I mean?
02:16:37.000Right, and then you can make mistakes that if you could go back and do it again, knowing the reaction to all those different things, you'd probably do something a little different.