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00:01:23.000The reason why, if we're in business with any company, it's because they got something good for you.
00:01:30.000We have turned down stuff that's like high-profile sponsors that I don't agree with, I don't like what they're selling, I don't want to say what they want me to say.
00:02:10.000Ting, they weren't even supposed to be sponsored on this podcast today, but we're bringing them up just because that's our entire approach to advertising on this podcast.
00:02:24.000It's something that we believe is a great product.
00:02:27.000With Alienware, the thing that I really love about Alienware is how much love they give to up-and-coming MMA fighters.
00:02:33.000Everywhere I look, on Strikeforce, on Bellator, on UFC, there's constantly dudes with that Alienware logo.
00:02:40.000That means to me that a company is putting their money behind sport And when a company is like Alienware that's owned by Dell, this huge computer company, that to me is a bold chance by them and I think bold moves like that should be supported.
00:02:56.000And that's why we use Alienware computers.
00:03:02.000It's the only one that I have a financial investment in.
00:03:05.000Again, the only reason why I would do that is because I wholeheartedly believe in the way the company operates and in what they're selling.
00:03:14.000The big one, the big product that I'm always pushing is AlphaBrain.
00:03:35.000They are nutrients that have been shown to enhance your brain's ability to produce neurotransmitters, to fire thoughts off.
00:03:42.000And from a person that knows the difference between the way I feel when I'm eating healthy, when I'm eating nutritious food, and when I'm supplementing my diet, and when I'm not doing that, there's a difference.
00:13:02.000intense about some shit unless he's i know he's seen something man yeah you ain't pulling that out of your ass that shit was too real that blue velvet huffing character yeah man that's that was that was one of the greatest scenes ever man yeah lynch had just done such such bizarre stuff but that's how it would make you feel like almost creepy yeah Yeah, yeah.
00:13:24.000If you watch, I have a DVD that has some of, I think it's called The Lost Films of David Lynch, and it has some of the things that he was doing when he was in college, when he was coming up, like his first, like some animation stuff, and some of it's pretty disturbing, and then some of it is like, wow, like this is...
00:13:43.000You know, like, borderline genius stuff, at least, you know, from a creative standpoint.
00:14:28.000I often think back and almost wish that Tarantino would have followed through with his script and done Natural Born Killers himself because I really would have loved to see what his take on it was.
00:15:04.000When you have a baby, you know what I mean?
00:15:06.000Like, if you were to write a stand-up routine and then have somebody else do it, even if they hit it out of the park, it'd be like, well...
00:16:02.000It was just like a silly comedy where he was like a cop, like an undercover cop or something like that.
00:16:07.000It was just one of those things that Like, actors, they gotta work and everything, and I understand that.
00:16:12.000And so that was just one of the things where it's like, well, like, you're kind of starting to take a path in a, you know, kind of corny direction.
00:16:22.000Like, I watch guys do that all the time who are great actors, and they were able to repair it by picking and choosing the projects that they want to work on, and then they redeem themselves every time.
00:18:03.000I think that's what it's called, knowyourmeme.com, and it's like this site that documents Pretty thoroughly, all these different internet memes from Techno Viking to that Jessie Slaughter girl.
00:18:32.000No, this is some girl where what happened was she became so popular in this little subculture and everybody just jumped on her and was ridiculing her and all this stuff because she was going around saying that she was sleeping with all these dumb emo artists and everything in some rock band.
00:18:49.000And, you know, she's like a little kid.
00:18:50.000And she's doing all these webcam things.
00:18:53.000You know how it's popular now with YouTube where everybody just sits in front of their computer with their clothes hanging from the doorknob in the background.
00:19:02.000They're like, you know, talking about whatever, giving a review on a movie or talking about whatever.
00:19:07.000And she was doing all that stuff and getting really scandalous with it.
00:19:10.000And so people were just tearing it apart.
00:19:12.000And her dad got on a live webcam broadcast.
00:19:16.000Was that the one, Brian, that you did?
00:19:27.000He's like, I'm talking to the cyber police and I've back traced all of the emails and if you ever come near my daughter and talk about her...
00:21:55.000You're just not censoring yourself with these ridiculous censorship ideas that...
00:22:01.000To me, it was strange being aware of it and thinking about it just for a second and thinking this is like the reality of most people's lives that are on radio.
00:23:17.000There's this guy, I don't know if you know who he is.
00:23:20.000He doesn't really do jiu-jitsu anymore, but he was one of the guys that I first started training with in Los Angeles when I first moved out here.
00:24:18.000As soon as I got in, there was all these guys, half of them were like deer caught in the headlights.
00:24:24.000They were just like, oh man, like I'm actually on the show and what's going to happen?
00:24:27.000Are they going to surprise us or, you know, what's going to go on?
00:24:30.000And then the other half of the guys were just there to be goofballs, hoping that they get enough exposure to put some pictures up on their MySpace page or get laid or whatever they wanted to do.
00:24:42.000And that's why everybody's like, oh, you're so grumpy and you're so angry and everything.
00:24:47.000It's like, well, dude, I'm trying to win this.
00:25:07.000Yeah, I mean, my whole thing is, the whole reason why I'm doing this, and maybe I didn't know it when I first got into it, but now after looking back of years of a career, like over 10 years I've been doing this, And reflecting.
00:25:21.000It's like, I picked this because, one, it's artistic.
00:25:25.000Two, it's fighting, and I just like the fight.
00:26:03.000And so, when you start to, like, fake beefs with other fighters, you start to, like, you know, play up all this stuff, in my opinion, you're playing a game with your authenticity.
00:27:34.000And I was like, man, what's with these guys being nice to my face and then being all silly behind my back?
00:27:44.000I would never choose to live with you, ever, in any other circumstance.
00:27:48.000And now, not only do I have no contact to or from the outside world, but I'm stuck in a situation where I can't even take a walk in the neighborhood to get away from you guys.
00:27:59.000And they're talking all kinds of shit on me and they don't like me and they're drawing little cartoons of me in this juvenile way.
00:28:30.000As far as guys getting on the show, you're about as well known an MMA fighter outside of the UFC as you can get.
00:28:38.000Yeah, so what ended up happening was when I got on there, I took the confidence that I had from all that experience, and I just turned it into...
00:28:45.000I've always been very respectful, but when there are people who disrespect the sport and disrespect this...
00:28:54.000I mean, I understand it's a show, and they pick goofballs like Richie Hightower and stuff like that, but when you take a bunch of guys who are disrespecting this thing that I've dedicated my life to, I'm like, fuck you guys.
00:29:06.000I'm winning this thing, and I took my experience, and I turned that into alpha male type of attitude.
00:30:17.000And I think today when I talk to 21-year-olds...
00:30:20.000I'm so impressed with how much information kids have today and just how the world really works.
00:30:27.000It's so different than when I was 21. When I was 21, if you had come up to me and asked me a political question, I would have been dumbfounded.
00:31:26.000I personally look at some of the young people that are like in their early 20s and I see a lot of the same like passive aggressive ways of handling social situations that were sort of the norm with kids when I was 16 or 17. I don't know.
00:31:45.000I mean, I guess it goes both ways, but there's definitely a huge access, a much bigger access to information now, especially because of the internet and everything, and I think there's more open-minded people, and I hope that's the way that we're going.
00:32:02.000Yeah, the idea that kids are more street smart or more worldly in the days gone past, the reason why that makes sense to me is that you don't just let your kids wander on the street anymore.
00:32:14.000Like people used to just open the door when they were young, you know, when they had 10 year olds and the 10 year olds just go out in the street.
00:32:27.000So, guys of a younger generation, just a little while ago, I mean, when I was a kid, that wasn't like a really highly discussed topic of child molesting.
00:32:52.000Looking back at it, when I was a teenager, I kind of started harboring resentments because I was like, man, when I was five and six and seven years old, I'd have these nightmares about getting kidnapped and stuff.
00:33:04.000But man, she wouldn't go into detail, but she'd be like, hey, look, if somebody approaches you, you know what I mean?
00:33:20.000Man, it was the craziest experience, because when I was, I think I was 10, and I lived in this sort of old-fashioned suburban neighborhood, which is very near all this stuff that was once rural farmland and had now become industrial parks.
00:33:38.000And I would cut through these industrial parks to get to my one friend's house.
00:33:43.000and I went over to his house to try to find him and he wasn't there and I had a scooter or something like that.
00:33:51.000I was trying to go back and I had to cut through these woods to get to this Holiday Inn parking lot and then cut through the parking lot to get back over to my neighborhood.
00:34:00.000And these woods were just a really small stretch of woods, like very small, just a little wooded area.
00:34:05.000It was probably like maybe 100 yards or something and no one's ever there.
00:34:10.000You know, it's just a little path in between the parking lot and this cul-de-sac.
00:34:13.000And I get up there and I start walking my scooter because I'm on a dirt path.
00:34:17.000And all of a sudden there's this guy standing there.
00:35:01.000It was like there was kids that had been abducted.
00:35:06.000That this guy was kidnapping kids, and I don't even know what he was doing or whatever, but he was there at that Holiday Inn, and they were following him throughout western Pennsylvania, and I think they actually found him, but that was the guy, and I was like, wow!
00:36:16.000So I was just, I was really young and I just left with him and I'm walking out the door with him and the librarian sees him and she yells, she knew my name, she goes, Joseph, you get away from that man, you get away from that man.
00:36:31.000you know and the guy started running the guy started running oh and then I realized oh gosh so I started crying I was crying like crazy and then um she uh the librarian said that he just got out of jail that's a serious close encounter yeah yeah if that librarian didn't see what was going on But isn't that a horrifying job for the librarian, too?
00:36:52.000I mean, she did it, and thanks to her, I might be dead.
00:38:27.000Cynical intellect who's like sheltered or slack-jawed consumer half-wit of the horseshit handed on from down high.
00:38:37.000In our case of what we're talking about now, it's like even worse possibly, you know, like something bad happening because your kid gets in a situation that they shouldn't be in.
00:39:48.000There's plenty of other experiences that you can have socially with people and get to know yourself and get to know how to interact with people without going to the institution of public schooling.
00:39:58.000I mean, public school pretty much ruined me.
00:40:02.000And when I try to tell people about that, they're like, I don't say ruin me, but it definitely sent me off onto a spiraling into a different path.
00:40:11.000And it helped me become the person that I am and everything.
00:40:14.000My rebellion against that, but it's like I didn't have to...
00:40:20.000I don't want to put my kid through that.
00:40:23.000And I don't think it was an isolated incident either with the public schools that I had to deal with.
00:41:07.000They were just kids, and I was sort of stuck in the middle.
00:41:11.000I was from the poor area, and we just got treated like crap.
00:41:15.000We got treated like second-class citizens.
00:41:16.000It was almost like being a minority in this situation.
00:41:20.000I thought that was really weird, and almost all the teachers there would just hand out worksheets, stay in your desk, that whole thing.
00:41:27.000I came from Montessori in kindergarten, which is a completely different structure of learning, and we understood So mathematical stuff, like multiplication, just through physical work.
00:41:39.000Like, they have these beads that you count on, almost like an abacus, instead of writing things down and doing, like, the worksheet type of work.
00:41:49.000Like, even going into first grade, I just wasn't able to articulate it in the same way, like this memorization way, where it's like, two plus twos for...
00:43:03.000You know, I was like interested in these fights and everything, and I thought they were pretty cool, but at the same time, I was like, I couldn't get involved with that.
00:43:11.000I mean, I was like four foot something, you know what I mean?
00:43:13.000I was like a little kid, and a lot of these guys had already gotten their man size by the time they were in seventh or eighth grade, and I was just like, shit, and I was just watching it happen.
00:43:21.000So I would resort to, you know, like my way of getting along in that situation...
00:43:26.000Was resorting to class clownism or whatever.
00:43:29.000Because I couldn't beat anybody up at that age.
00:44:19.000And looking back on it now, it's like they were right.
00:44:22.000You know, you do look for role models and you look for people to set an example of what to do to become a man or to, you know, to just move forward and grow up and become mature.
00:44:49.000And then it was just like a downward spiral from there.
00:44:51.000And then once I moved back up to Pennsylvania and there was all these rich white kids who thought they were gangsters, I was like, wow, you guys are really fake.
00:44:59.000And they hated me because I was skateboarding and stuff.
00:45:18.000I abandoned the possibilities of moving forward with academics.
00:45:23.000And I've struggled with that for years and years and thought to myself, well...
00:45:27.000You know, what if I, you know, I was regretful.
00:45:30.000I was like, what if I, you know, would have kept going to school and I could have gotten the degree in science that I wanted to or maybe become a biologist or like, you know, done something in one of these fields that I'm really interested in.
00:45:43.000But as I've gotten older, that regret has started to fade because I'm like, you know what?
00:45:48.000I think I did pretty damn good for myself.
00:45:51.000I think I did one of the things that really spoke to me, which is fighting.
00:45:57.000You can't have regret for taking a pursuit and enjoying the path.
00:46:22.000You can just fucking read book after book after book after book.
00:46:26.000And if you really pay attention to what you're reading, you can get a fucking fantastic education without actually having to go somewhere and have somebody write it on paper.
00:46:38.000I was just, for a while, somewhat regretful because of the hypothetical idea of, well, if I did that, that could have been even better.
00:46:48.000I might have been really enjoying my life.
00:46:49.000'cause I would like to travel and be one of those people who just lives in the rainforest for weeks on end, gets stung up by mosquitoes and just documents insects and knows every single tree frog and finds new species.
00:48:05.000The PhD program's paying him, but he can't get a job doing anything else, and he just was watching...
00:48:12.000People just get fed basically lies, even in what's supposedly a prestigious institution like the University of California in Los Angeles.
00:48:21.000And it's like, man, I'd rather sort through the information and find it on my own, just like you said, rather than get some kind of a degree.
00:48:30.000You know, really have nothing to show for it.
00:48:32.000I'm not putting down people who get degrees or anything like that.
00:49:53.000Yeah, you moved out to Vegas to try to further your MMA career, but like a lot of people, you found Vegas to be a very scary, hollow, freakish fucking town of depression.
00:51:44.000There's nothing in LA. There's no great MMA teams in LA. There's no one here to train with.
00:51:50.000I've got to take this for all it's worth.
00:51:53.000I'd already been going to Vegas for a while.
00:51:56.000Before every fight, I would always go out and stay with Gray.
00:51:59.000I'd been doing that since the Zion's days, even before Couture ever opened up a gym.
00:52:06.000And so I knew all those guys, Forrest and Pyle and Jay Haran and Martin Kamen and Gray.
00:52:11.000And so I was like, I'm going to move out there with them and I'm going to train at Couture's.
00:52:15.000And Tyson Griffin's there now and it's a really good situation.
00:52:19.000I'm going to have the best training partners and I'm going to work my ass off every day and I'm going to give this the best shot that I have.
00:52:26.000And what happened was I went out there and I realized that it was just so competitive.
00:53:13.000Gray was one of the top dogs in the room.
00:53:15.000Nobody could touch him like, you know, once he got to a certain level.
00:53:18.000For a while he was just a wrestler and you could catch him in submissions because he didn't know any better and his stand-up wasn't that great.
00:53:23.000And then he turned the corner real quick.
00:54:12.000And when I would do that, instead of, like I was saying before in the podcast that got lost, instead of feeling refreshed, like, oh, I spent a week and a half, you know, in the desert and I experienced this timeless beauty and all this stuff, I was like...
00:54:29.000Man, I want to just go back out there again and I don't want to go back to the gym.
00:55:26.000Even though we were cool and we were cordial with each other, and I'd watch other fighters come to the gym, like good fighters would come to that gym all the time because it was a hub, you know?
00:55:36.000You're in Vegas maybe cornering another fighter.
00:55:39.000And so you're going to hop into extreme couture because that's where everybody goes and that's where all the good guys are.
00:55:44.000And you're going to train or guys would come out for a couple weeks and Jay Haran and Mike Pyle would just run a fucking clinic on those guys and be mean about it.
00:55:58.000It wasn't like they were angry, but man, they would put it on these guys and it was this real alpha male competitive thing.
00:56:07.000This is competition, and that's one way to look at it.
00:56:10.000A lot of people might think, well, that's how you have to be.
00:56:13.000You have to be like that, but I don't think so.
00:56:16.000If you look at the way that both Gray and I are training now, and I respect the hell out of Gray because he's been training at a high level since he was 12 with wrestling, you know?
00:56:26.000Even before that, he's always been wrestling since he was five or something, but he's been training at a high level, like hard, high-level workouts, and he knows the difference now.
00:56:35.000He's training smart, and that's what I'm doing now.
00:56:37.000I mean, I still spar and stuff, but I'm not in there getting hit.
00:56:42.000Getting the shit beat out of me, beating the shit out of other people, just to try to put myself through the fire to simulate the idea of what a tough fight might be.
00:57:33.000And he's giving me, he's like teaching me a whole new language as far as body mechanics and wrestling and grappling and just the fight game in general.
00:57:40.000He understands it on a whole different level.
00:57:42.000And he's giving me this whole new language to work with.
00:57:46.000And I can, there are some words that I'm gonna use and put into my vocabulary and some that I'm not, but that's when your personality comes out.
00:57:54.000I think we were talking about that before.
00:57:56.000That's why it's so interesting to watch the art of mixed martial arts because you watch people's personalities manifest in the way they fight.
00:58:05.000Yeah, which brings up what you talked about earlier with Chael, how difficult it is to put on a persona and then go into the octagon and compete and have it be real.
00:58:14.000Yeah, because you see the stark difference with him.
00:58:16.000You see his bravado and the shtick that he taps into, and he's amazing at it.
00:58:23.000But when you see the contrast in between that and him when he walks into the ring, he is not looking at the crowd and doing his little shtick anymore.
00:58:35.000He is just a man focused, and he has to...
00:58:38.000Focus even more because he's so used to being in that persona.
00:59:23.000Because Chael would sit in front of his computer like a fucking maniac for ten hours, coming up with the right shit to say, whereas Muhammad Ali would try to act on the fly.
01:00:17.000I mean, that to me is one of the best examples of the fact that we're moving forward as a society, as chaotic and crazy as it might be.
01:00:26.000Everything of today is better than what it was, you know, in the 1950s.
01:00:32.000I mean, like, when everybody talks, Marciano was the best, retired, undefeated, Marciano would have done this, Marciano would have broken Ali...
01:00:40.000Mike Tyson would have ran through Marciano like fire through bushes.
01:01:52.000You know, Roberto Duran, even when he fought at 147, he was just going up there to fight Sugary Leonard and stayed up there and then went as high as 60 and 68. When he fought Iran Barkley.
01:05:23.000Like, boxing historians and people that fancy themselves as boxing experts that, like, know about the old times, they have some sort of nostalgia or some personal, like, nostalgic connection to these old fighters, and that's great.
01:05:37.000And these old fighters were great, and they did...
01:05:40.000Like acts of human endurance over time span of 20, 30 years sometimes that are amazing and had so many fights and beat the shit out of themselves just for the, you know, to continue on their career and to make the public happy and they really destroyed themselves watching what happened to all these guys like Joe Lewis and LaMotta and You know,
01:06:04.000like Archie Moore and all these great people, but the actual skill, I mean, we're at a higher level right now, and I hate it when people don't want to accept that, and they don't want to talk about that.
01:06:15.000They're just like, oh no, you've got to...
01:06:18.000I give credit where credit's due, but you can't compare the best old fighters to the best...
01:06:28.000I hate heavyweight boxing now, I don't really watch it, but even with the heavyweight division being as dismal as it is, it shouldn't take away from how excellent these Klitschko guys are.
01:06:37.000Yeah, they are excellent, but I'll be tuning into whatever's playing them, whether it's Showtime or whoever, and I'm like, who the fuck is this guy fighting?
01:07:26.000He hit him with a two-punch combination that was like, it was brilliant.
01:07:31.000Larry Donald had no idea that he was going to do it to him.
01:07:34.000It was brilliant that he sucker-punched him?
01:07:37.000I mean, well, I mean, I'm not giving him credit like as if that was awesome that you did that.
01:07:44.000But the combination was it was brilliant.
01:07:46.000They were standing there face to face and Riddick Bowe just dipped down, I think, through like a left hand.
01:07:52.000hook and just cracked him right on the chin and there's like if you watch it in slow motion there's a second where Larry Donald's chin just snaps and he's still like standing there like like dumbfounded and then Bo comes down and like dips and hits him with an overhand right what were they arguing about It was just the same tired boxing thing where two guys...
01:08:27.000I mean, he got fined and all this stuff happened.
01:08:30.000The commission came down on him and everything.
01:08:32.000But I feel like these guys are always...
01:08:35.000Every single fight that we have now...
01:08:38.000I love boxing, but boxing is desperately trying to promote itself, and that's why you see all these little scuffles and all this stuff going on.
01:09:37.000And we were talking about that before last week, about how it's scary because there's no science that can really tell you what's going on with your brain.
01:12:17.000And it's a shame because I struggle with the idea of that possibility myself as well and I think a lot of the prevention of that can happen in the gym.
01:12:31.000And I've spent years Being the type of fighter that was like, oh, well I've got to spar because it's the only thing that would hold my attention because I was so down on myself about the sport.
01:12:40.000I was like, you know, not interested in drilling or learning technique.
01:12:44.000I was like, let's just get in and get out as fast as we can and beat the crap out of each other and I'll be able to wake up in the morning knowing that I have to do that and then I'll go and my timing will get better and everything but that is not the way to have longevity and so now I'm loving myself again,
01:13:04.000loving the sport again, and I'm realizing that the less shots I take in practice, the less likely my chin is going to become glass as I get older.
01:13:16.000And the better I'll be able to have a functioning brain as I get older.
01:13:23.000Yeah, the thing about taking punishment in the gym is a very real thing, and people think that's the only way to do it.
01:13:29.000I completely agree with your idea that you've had plenty of tough fights, and you know what a tough fight is like, and what you need to do is just work on your skill and work on your conditioning, and then execute come fight day.
01:13:40.000The battery that guys take inside the gym needs to be managed.
01:13:46.000It really, really needs to be managed, and it's a real problem in this sport That there's so many different ways to do it.
01:13:54.000Nobody really knows the exact correct way to do it yet.
01:14:30.000And we're slowly watching what's happening because, like I said, some guys, they don't even show symptoms until way later, way after they retire.
01:14:39.000Once you get older and other organs stop being as efficient, then all that is brought out.
01:14:47.000I mean, you're scrambling your brain literally.
01:14:49.000And the messed up thing about football is like what we were talking about before.
01:14:56.000I mean, because the helmet protects your skin, it protects your skull.
01:15:01.000Your skull won't crack with the helmet.
01:15:03.000That's what it's designed to do it, in my opinion.
01:15:06.000And if you look at it from like a physical standpoint, It centralizes the percussion of the impact.
01:15:13.000And so, yeah, sure, you can ram your head into a steel post or someone else's helmet or someone's body, and you can rush at them with all the power that you've trained to do and use your head as a weapon.
01:15:40.000You get a flash of unconsciousness, or you feel like you get rocked, and they've got these big traps and everything, and they work on their next strength to help displace the impact for the rest of their body.
01:15:53.000But it's like, Man, you're screwing yourself up every single time, and they don't even think about it.
01:15:58.000Whereas with fighting, it's like we've got these small gloves, so when you get hit, you know it.
01:16:04.000And then there's a time when you've got to stop and check yourself.
01:16:37.000If there's great, great trainers out there that understand that and understand all the technical aspects, the mental and emotional aspects and the health aspects, I don't know of them.
01:16:53.000People are going to take offense because we've got all these highly publicized trainers, especially in MMA right now, but I've worked with a lot of people and I know a lot of the fighters that work with a lot of these other guys that I haven't worked directly with.
01:17:08.000And I don't see anybody really being an amazing trainer as far as monitoring the overall health.
01:17:25.000and the sport's still in its infancy to the point where I think it's going to take my generation of fighters retiring and the few that are able to understand fighting and understand the right smart ways to train.
01:17:44.000It's just the only thing is I don't really know how to segue into that as far as the financial aspect goes because I feel like if I just all of a sudden say, hey, I'm training fighters now.
01:18:00.000Hey, I will need at least one or two star people who are making decent money to not only publicize the fact that I'm doing this but to create an amount of revenue to make it worthwhile.
01:18:15.000Because if I'm training a fighter and they're at a high level...
01:18:19.000I want to be there for them all the time.
01:18:22.000I'm going to have to monitor every single thing they do throughout their entire training camp and be a monitor of them in the downtime as well and just be there for the fighter.
01:18:37.000It's going to be an interesting thing to see if I can somehow segue into that.
01:18:41.000I would love to, but I don't know that it's necessarily readily available for me, but time will tell.
01:18:48.000Well, it seems like you could probably join up with someone who has good intentions but isn't doing it, you know, what you think would be correctly or, you know, or doesn't bring to the table what you think you would bring.
01:18:59.000I mean, you have more than 20 MMA fights.
01:19:02.000I mean, if you count the fights on the show, too, I think I have like 35 or something like that.
01:19:09.000Some of them aren't on SureDog and stuff, but I think...
01:19:13.000I think I'm like like officially like 32 but then yeah something I don't know over 30 that's a wealth of experience yeah yeah and and a lot of and I've taken especially in the latter years taking a lot of break like long break time in between fights just due to injuries and just taking time off to reflect and things like that I I was able to work with gray a lot and me and gray have a really good relationship gray Maynard we're actually really good friends so Last fight when he was getting ready for Clay
01:19:44.000Guida, I went out of my way because of the situation that he's in right now.
01:21:06.000There was a whole lot of things that I didn't understand that were going on.
01:21:13.000For the folks who don't know, Rico Ciapparelli was one of the original trainers of RAW, which was real American wrestling, which was Henderson and Couture, Vladimir Matyshenko, all these big-name guys from back in the day.
01:21:26.000And Rico Ciapparelli was always known as this really brilliant, super analytical guy who was wicked on the ground.
01:21:32.000Yeah, he was one of those people who understood body mechanics and Combat so well that it was so quick.
01:21:43.000His transition from being a high-level freestyle wrestler in college and on the world stage and then transitioning to being in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, someone who understood submissions and everything was just...
01:22:06.000Maybe not in every aspect of life, but in that particular aspect of understanding grappling, wrestling, body mechanics, and combat in general, mentally, emotionally, and physically, he's a genius.
01:22:21.000Yeah, he was working with, I was there with Couture and Henderson and Erickson.
01:22:26.000Erickson had already left on good terms, and Couture and Henderson, you know, were doing their own thing.
01:22:32.000And when I got there, it was me and Vladimir Matyshenko and Frank Trigg, and then a few other guys like Fernando Vasconcelos, who I had talked about before, and some other fighters were always coming through.
01:24:00.000Try to make one fighter great instead of just having some big facility where a bunch of, you know, fair weather people come through when they want to and show up.
01:24:10.000He's like, I want to just focus everything.
01:24:12.000As long as you guys have foil on your t-shirts and like Japanese lettering, as long as you have that, you know, like you need a cool logo.
01:24:21.000Maybe something people can tattoo on their body.
01:24:26.000Well, unfortunately, all the Affliction stuff is going out of style, so I can't have patches across my back and safety pinned onto my other garments.
01:24:37.000They fired my man Tom Atencio, so I used to wear Affliction stuff.
01:24:42.000Tom's my friend, and also, Tom, I feel like Affliction MMA. They tried to pay some fighters.
01:25:26.000It was like all of a sudden, this subculture has these guys wearing these strange shirts where things are made to look like they're torn with little holes and little worn spots and things stitched all oddly across them.
01:26:00.000It's just this new retro thing that most of the people don't understand the nostalgia or that it is retro.
01:26:08.000Like spray tans, faux hawks, and then these like flare bootcut bell-bottom-ish pants that are like have the same distressed look about them.
01:26:18.000And then those weird square-toed shoes that are like patent leather or something that come up really long.
01:26:25.000And like all these guys are like, I just, it was the most absurd style I'd ever seen.
01:26:30.000And I'm so glad that that's kind of starting to fade away, but I'm just leery of what is going to replace it.
01:26:42.000I don't know which is more ridiculous.
01:26:44.000I think sagging is more ridiculous even than built-in holes.
01:26:46.000Well, I think sagging is particularly ridiculous now because especially with the hipster type of culture and then hipster hip-hop culture now is tight jeans...
01:28:13.000There's not like an example that I can look back and say, well, that guy was the first guy to wear the already tattered jeans.
01:28:18.000I think it starts to happen, and people are pushing for it, and then what validates it is some hero person, and then the other hero person does it.
01:29:07.000Yeah, I was wondering, when is that going to get popular, where people are taking a hammer and banging little holes, or cars start being sold with rust spots already?
01:31:46.000And then, you know, you take your mom's hairspray, you lock yourself in the bathroom, and you try to smoosh up, like, your hair into, like, a mohawk.
01:31:53.000It's like, I think I actually did that once, and then I saw what happened.
01:31:58.000This was, like, the faux hawk circa 1987 or 86, and I smooshed my hair up, and I was like, that's not good enough.
01:32:06.000And I put it back down, and I gave up on it, and I didn't think about it until years later, and all of a sudden, I moved to L.A., And there's people smushing their hair up into this little point.
01:35:45.000I would have had to say that about myself, about anything that I enjoy.
01:35:48.000If that's what's funny, that's why I get crazy when this Tracy Morgan type shit happens, when Tracy Morgan gets in trouble for saying that if his son was gay, I stabbed him.
01:41:25.000Even though I'm monitoring it, that it might come out long after I retire, which is what happens to some people.
01:41:33.000If that happens, I sincerely hope that doesn't happen, but if it does, it's because the damage has already been done and there's nothing that I can do about it from this point forward.
01:41:45.000If you look at the way that I'm training now, if you look at the way that Grey Maynard is training now, we are no longer Like killing ourselves for this sport and hating every moment of it just so that we can try to win and bask in like the the wonderful glory of winning on that one night.
01:42:04.000It's like you should enjoy every day and yeah it's like you know bad days are gonna happen but you should enjoy every moment of it and you shouldn't be physically hurting yourself.
01:42:14.000Obviously you don't want to blow out your knee you don't want to hurt your back when you're training Why would you want to hurt your brain?
01:42:21.000This is something that we have to think about.
01:42:23.000You have to train smart and you have to figure out ways to keep your speed and your timing and your reactions on point and at the same time not go in there and hurt each other.
01:42:36.000And you can't be hurting your partners either.
01:42:37.000I used to beat the crap out of my training partners to the point where I had like...
01:42:42.000Taking their morale down to a peg to the point where they would never give me a good spar because they were just worried about me beating the shit out of them all the time.
01:43:06.000Even these people were my friends and I don't have a bully personality, but it would just be like, okay, Well, we're sparring today and I'm gonna win this sparring session and then like that's what I'm trying to do and I'm trying to beat you up and like I would do it and these guys you know like they were afraid and like I would watch the anxiety just like billow off of them like smoke before every fucking training session they'd be like Oh man, like I gotta go in there and spar with him now.
01:43:32.000Did you experience that, sparring with any people?
01:43:35.000That same sort of anxiety so you could see it in yourself?
01:44:38.000And that's why it sucked so bad because then I would fight and win or lose, after the fight I'd be like, I don't want to have anything to do with fighting.
01:44:47.000And then people would be like, hey, did you see the fights?
01:45:57.000But I really don't look at it that way.
01:45:58.000Even the fighters that I don't like, personally, that are marquee fighters that make a lot of money in the sport, I'm always happy to see anyone making money in the sport.
01:46:10.000Well, this guy came from pro wrestling.
01:46:12.000He was already making millions of dollars.
01:46:14.000But you've got to expect that, especially with the heavyweights.
01:46:17.000You've got to expect guys like that to just come in every now and then.
01:46:21.000And I think that we're going to see a lot less of it as the sport progresses and as it becomes this deal where new guys are coming up.
01:46:29.000People are becoming amazing fighters at the age of 16, 17 now.
01:46:33.000By the time they're in their 20s, they're ready to go.
01:46:36.000We're seeing less and less of that sort of thing.
01:46:57.000I feel like he's one of those guys that epitomizes that old joke about the young bull seeing the cows saying, hey, let's run down there and fuck a cow.
01:47:07.000And the bull says, let's walk down there and fuck them all.
01:47:45.000When you got a guy, you know, he needed someone who would listen to him and say, listen, man, we do this right, and you're the greatest of all time.
01:47:52.000You know, if you really want to do this, you really want to do this, because if you don't really want to do this, you just want to get paid, you can just jump in there and see what you can do right now.
01:47:59.000But you look at a guy like that, you're like, obviously that guy has some freak physical abilities.
01:48:04.000You ever see a video of him walking around in his hands?
01:48:24.000And with a little bit of luck and a lot of ability, he was actually able to win fights.
01:48:30.000And as soon as you win a couple fights in a row, especially against guys like Karwin and Mir and Couture, it's like, oh wow, well...
01:48:39.000You know, I see holes in his game, but holy shit, he's winning and he's beating great fighters.
01:48:45.000He's the man, you know, and that's all it takes in this sport.
01:48:47.000Yeah, but when he fought Alistair, and he fought Alistair Overeem after having stomach surgery, he had 12 inches removed from his colon, and then he fought one of the scariest fucking strikers to ever compete in MMA, and got kicked repeatedly in the body.
01:49:11.000Yeah, but that's the wrong way to look at it.
01:49:13.000You got the craziest goose that laid the golden egg ever.
01:49:15.000You know, a Brock Lesnar career could be an enormous, enormous career.
01:49:19.000The build-up to him actually challenging for the heavyweight title could be him fighting competitor after competitor over and over and over again.
01:49:25.000I don't know that he would have wanted to do it that way, though.
01:49:28.000I think he just wanted a fast track to it, and he's one of the few guys who had the power to pull that card.
01:49:32.000And he probably thought he could beat all those guys.
01:49:34.000He needed someone to look at him and say, just listen, man, you need to watch some Alistair Overeem kickboxing bouts and understand what the fuck is going on here.
01:49:43.000Because this isn't as simple as you throw a punch and then he throws a punch.
01:49:47.000Every time you're punching, he's stepping, he's measuring you, he's going to step twice and then kick your fucking legs out.
01:49:54.000And by the way, if he hits you once, your leg's not the same ever again.
01:51:32.000I'm not going to name any names, but there are guys that I train with That would be like, I've never done steroids before, ever.
01:51:40.000I don't know what they're talking about.
01:51:42.000There was one guy in particular, and everyone knows that he's on steroids.
01:51:46.000He's a great guy, but everyone knows he's on steroids.
01:51:50.000The mother of my child, who I was with at the time, is a massage therapist for athletes.
01:51:56.000And she went over to his house and she came back and she's like, how come he has in his house in the fridge all these vials and syringes and these bottles that have pictures of horses on it and stuff?
01:53:05.000It's like, you guys know what doctors are giving you.
01:53:07.000What percentage of guys do you think are using performance enhancing stuff that's illegal?
01:53:12.000Because for sure there have been a bunch, I mean, just one thing to clarify, there have been a bunch of companies who have been busted.
01:53:20.000For putting stuff into their supplements, just regular shit that you buy at GNC, that contains illegal compounds and stuff that will test you positive for steroids.
01:53:30.000What they're doing, they're getting results by essentially selling you steroids, just not telling you in the list of ingredients that it's a steroid.
01:54:35.000They take it and then they know How long it's going to take for it to get out of their body.
01:54:42.000And when I said that 60% and 90% thing that I just thought of in my head, which is my estimation, I'm also talking about HGH, human growth hormone, which isn't something that is tested for right now just because it's hard to test for it and it's very expensive to test for it and the commission is not going to pay that kind of money.
01:55:02.000And it's still very random, you know what I mean?
01:55:04.000I wish they would just test everybody.
01:55:08.000Instead of doing this random thing where, hey, you might get picked, and you may have to do the piss test.
01:55:53.000And it's like, test everybody, and then we will have, you can either sink or swim.
01:55:58.000You can keep taking the stuff, and it can be a mental crutch for you, and you can feel like, oh, I can't perform anymore because I don't have my steroids.
01:56:16.000I don't want to look back on my career and be like, well, I did some great stuff, but I did that great stuff when I was taking all these steroids.
01:56:25.000And, you know, while I was taking the steroids, then...
01:56:28.000That's what helped me, and it wasn't really all me.
01:57:10.000Even though he knows that it would make him a faster athlete, it would make him better, it would make him stronger, he doesn't ever want to think that there's no way he could have made it without this stuff.
01:59:00.000That's why I'm not working for a corporation in a cubicle or something like that.
01:59:05.000When I had those types of jobs, I felt horrible about myself and about my life.
01:59:11.000And when I finally decided to try to take MMA... For what it was and dive myself into it 100% and dedicate myself to it, I was like, I had nothing to lose.
01:59:22.000And I'm like, this is a perfect path because I'm either going to make it or I'm going to break myself doing it.
01:59:29.000I mean, I don't know what goes through these guys' minds.
01:59:39.000And I watch guys, and I know people who became so addicted to that stuff that when they don't have it, then they have this insecurity in the back of their mind, in their subconscious, and they don't think that they can actually pull off what they did when they were on...
01:59:56.000What did you think of when you saw the Pride era where it was just super clear that no one was tested for nothing?
02:00:03.000In fact, I have friends who fought in Japan who were told to take steroids.
02:00:14.000While it was happening, I was just in limbo because I was trying to work my way up in the lightweight division and small shows where there's all these scumbag promoters that are just trying to screw you over.
02:00:26.000And I was like, you know, seeing the lightweight division be completely dissolved for a few years.
02:00:33.000And I was just like, wow, like the closest guy to my weight that's fighting in any kind of show that's getting paid more than $10,000 ever is like, you know, is like High and Gracie versus that Ichigawa or whatever.
02:00:49.000I'm like looking at guys that walk around at like 190 pounds and like that's You know, so it just, it's, I guess what I'm saying is it seems so otherworldly to me that, I mean, it was MMA and I was interested in it, but it was just like, it didn't apply to me.
02:01:06.000I was just like, well, that will never be me.
02:01:08.000Even if I did, like, throw my principles out the window and just decide to take a bunch of steroids, it'd still be lightweight in frame.
02:01:55.000It's kind of weird that you're learning.
02:01:58.000You can never master all of this, but I'm really understanding that Elbows in and bringing everything into the core and almost like 99% of all the techniques you do is very important.
02:02:11.000And that guy literally could not do it because he's in constant bench press mode.
02:04:07.000I mean, this is a guy whose only vegetable experience is like corn on a plate or maybe like peas or something like that once a year or something like that.
02:04:31.000Did they hook your diet up while you're in the house?
02:04:34.000The one good thing, even though with all the negatives about being there and the no contact to or from the outside world and no freedom, the one good thing that they have is you can, food-wise, you can order pretty much whatever you want.
02:05:47.000No, but one of those seasons, the season that Ryan Bader and, what's that kid, Felipe Nover, the season that they were on, we had two different weight classes, and someone peed in Ryan Bader and Felipe Nover's fruit or something like that.
02:06:10.000And those guys just ate it, and they were cool with it, and they didn't even think anything of it.
02:06:14.000And then when they heard that it had...
02:06:16.000had been peed all over it then they started feeling sick and were like trying to force themselves to throw up and stuff but yeah nobody messed with my stuff the only thing that happened was guys on my team like guys that I was supposed to be friends with were like eating my food and it was like look you guys can eat whatever you want you can order the same stuff that I order or you But my diet is very specialized, so don't take my stuff like it's public domain.
02:06:48.000They didn't show it on the show, but me and this other guy named Billy that was on my team grabbed this small refrigerator that was in the back.
02:06:58.000You know, near the grill outside on an outlet and like brought it into the room and it was like my personal like dorm refrigerator.
02:07:55.000And then when I was about 19 or so, I realized that all these ear infections and sinus infections that I've been having for years and years Like, seriously bad ear infections.
02:08:06.000Like, I would get them at least twice a year to the point where there would be so much pressure that my eardrum would inevitably puncture.
02:09:12.000I would even close my eyes and try to put my fingers on my eyes and they'd just be darting back and forth because your equilibrium is so messed up.
02:09:40.000Not everybody has to quit dairy because of this.
02:09:42.000But dairy directly affects a lot of people in the sinuses, the ear, nose, and throat.
02:09:49.000That's why if you drink a glass of milk, there's a lot of phlegm.
02:09:54.000Well, I developed a severe allergy to it.
02:09:57.000It was probably due to the fact that I was drinking milk constantly growing up.
02:10:01.000My mom thought that she believed the bullshit...
02:10:06.000Like, you know, grow big with milk, you know, like osteoporosis, strong bones, and all this crap.
02:10:11.000And I was drinking a ton of milk growing up, and I think that contributed to my allergy, possibly.
02:10:17.000But anyway, I tried all sorts of stuff, and I finally came to the realization after reading some stuff from Andrew Weil, who's the dude with the beard, not homeopathic necessarily, but like holistic medicine guy.
02:10:32.000And he was like, if you have problems with your sinuses or ear infections, eliminate milk and all dairy products.
02:10:37.000I did, and I haven't had a single problem with ear infections since then.
02:10:41.000So that was when I was about 19. So I spent 10 minutes off on a tangent.
02:10:46.000You asked me what my diet was like before 2004 when I went vegan.
02:10:50.000The only thing that separated me from having a vegan diet...
02:10:54.000I was chicken and fish and the reason why I was eating and maybe turkey you know like poultry and fish and the reason why I was eating that stuff is because I believed what everybody had said beforehand that you need some some type of animal protein in your diet and also like out I like chicken you know I mean I like the salty greasy stuff I like the flavor you know I mean it's it was it was cool even like regular grilled chicken breast or whatever you put seasoning on it I was like well this is what I'm supposed to eat and so I would eat that stuff and I I was,
02:11:25.000you know, thought to myself, okay, one day when I'm done trying to be an athlete and when I don't need this animal protein that everybody says I need, I will stop eating that and I'll have a vegan diet.
02:11:38.000And what I told myself was I will not call it vegan.
02:11:48.000I will just do it because I feel that it's the right thing to do as a consumer in this day and age and I want to I want to address that too it's I Don't think I think we're made we're omnivores.
02:12:02.000We're made to be able to either eat meat or Or vegetables, you know, and plants, nuts, and everything, or a combination of both.
02:12:10.000And, you know, depending on where people lived and, like, what part of the world they lived and what they had access to and what they could hunt or not be able to hunt for, they would eat a combination of both or just one or the other.
02:12:26.000We live in a day and age now, though, where...
02:12:30.000We're not the hunter-gatherer anymore.
02:12:33.000If I lived back in the day, or whatever, some hypothetical situation hundreds and hundreds or thousands of years ago, if that's what I had to eat, that's what I would eat.
02:12:43.000I have compassion for animals and all living things, so I would feel bad about it, but I would respect what I killed, much like I feel my soul tells me, much like the way that a lot of Native American tribes did, They, like, revered the animal.
02:13:12.000That's different than this day and age where you have...
02:13:17.000Mass amounts of suffering even in like lots of people are vegetarians that eat milk and eggs and things like that it's like the the if you care about the animals at all the moral issue is still the same these animals are living in horrible situations and they're suffering like whether or not you like animals or think that they have like the same you know abilities to reason or you know have any emotions or anything like that the one thing is is true and They feel pain.
02:13:46.000And they can feel pain and they live in the worst, most fucked up situation.
02:13:51.000So I was just like, look, I'm a consumer.
02:14:43.000I battle with that a lot because a lot of the people who follow me through social media, I'm not on Facebook, by the way, but I'm on Twitter, but a lot of people that follow me and that are fans of mine and hold me in high regard, they're part of that I don't dismiss that scene, but like any scene, it tends to push people away.
02:15:07.000A lot of these people are really passionate about what they believe, and they believe in animal rights, which I believe is a noble cause, and it's something that should be treated seriously, but they get so frustrated, and then they turn it into a them-against-us type of attitude, and they want to force it down people's throats, and they want to You know, it turns into like a religious type of thing and this type of thing where you're either with us or you're not.
02:15:34.000And we're going to criticize people that don't.
02:15:37.000It's like a lot of people aren't vegans because they just aren't educated.
02:15:42.000They don't understand what's going on.
02:15:44.000You end up putting more people under the defensive and pushing them away from the cause than you do educating people when you're like...
02:15:54.000Oh, I'm part of some exclusive club and we've all got a name for it and you have to follow these exact rules.
02:16:01.000And if you deviate from that, then you're disgusting.
02:16:04.000And oh my god, meat is disgusting and everything.
02:16:26.000And a few of my close friends, after years and years, have just recently done the vegan thing and they're like, dude, how come you didn't like...
02:16:34.000Like, kind of tell me about this more earlier.
02:16:37.000And I'm like, because, like, you're either going to do it or you're not.
02:16:41.000I don't want to, like, be the guy that forces people to do things or tries to, like, tell them, oh, you're wrong because you're doing that.
02:16:48.000Most people are just victims of consumerism and they're victims of misinformation, like we all are in so many ways.
02:16:55.000And the nutrition thing and, like, what's going on in the world with diet is no different.
02:17:30.000I feel bad about criticizing it because a lot of these people that are involved with this are really good people and they're noble people that have taken that choice because they feel it's the right thing to do.
02:18:42.000They're like, oh, as soon as they hear the word vegan attached to my name, they're like, oh, great.
02:18:47.000Like, here's this douchebag, and he's just going to be talking about his diet all the time and telling me that I need to repent for my sins and everything.
02:19:14.000You know, like, well, you know, I guess I probably, like, hit some bugs on the way here in my petroleum-powered car, and, like, you know, like, I've got, like a, you know, like, whatever.
02:19:26.000I've bought strawberries that were organic from Chile the other day, and, like, all the, you know, like the economic issues that, or not economic, sorry, environmental issues that come up.
02:19:38.000And it's like, yes, you can point out I live by the set of rules that I've picked because I feel that it's right.
02:19:47.000I don't feel that I should be contributing as a consumer directly to these industries that cause nothing but suffering.
02:20:05.000And it's one of those things where what you're showing is what I said earlier about you, about your unwillingness to take performance-enhancing drugs or to be a part of it.
02:20:16.000You're doing it because of your principles.
02:20:18.000Look, it would be a way better world if we all lived by a real set of principles.
02:20:22.000And that, I think, is one of the underlooked things that martial arts, true martial arts, provide.
02:20:27.000And I think that we should emphasize that.
02:20:31.000As much as we emphasize competition success, we should emphasize the ability to enhance your development as a human being.
02:20:38.000Because that's really what martial arts are spectacular for.
02:20:42.000If you never get into a fight in your whole life, you develop skills through difficult work and through building your character and responding to pressure and stress.
02:20:52.000And it makes you better at everything that you do.
02:21:02.000We don't need to get on the steroid thing again, but I just want to say this is one thing that I want to touch on.
02:21:08.000I've never done them, but the one time that I actually considered it, there was a point in my life that I actually was like, well, I just didn't know anyone.
02:21:16.000I was like, well, at the time, I was like, if I had access to it, I might, I might go ahead and do something like that, just because I just need to like make money.
02:21:25.000And that was me responding to the lowest point of my life.
02:21:30.000That was the lowest point of my life, like, like, as far as depression goes in the sport and everything.
02:21:36.000And I was almost willing to like, go ahead and entertain the idea.
02:21:40.000And And I came to that through weakness.
02:21:42.000And so all I'm saying is maybe, you know, if people are as great as they say they are, you don't need it.
02:21:49.000And I really don't care if the other guys are doing it.
02:21:52.000I don't care if the guy that I'm fighting is doing it, and he thinks it gives him an edge, and it may be giving him an edge.
02:21:59.000I'm not doing it for my opponent, and I'm not doing it for the sport.
02:22:02.000What do you think about the future of performance-enhancing trucks?
02:22:05.000Because the real issue to me is not...
02:22:07.000It's not just about things that you introduce to your body but rather what you do to change the way your body behaves and reacts when you talk about like gene therapy and when you talk about the improvements in our understanding of genetics and certain switches and different mechanisms inside the body that trigger Muscular development, recuperation, and all that stuff is going to eventually be manipulated.
02:22:30.000What happens to mixed martial arts when that happens?
02:22:36.000No, for the most part they really are.
02:22:39.000And so whatever is established as the moral norm We'll be okay.
02:22:47.000Right now, we're in a situation where everybody's mad.
02:22:50.000Like, oh, Mark McGuire and mad at Barry Bonds and mad at these players for doing all this stuff.
02:22:55.000stuff but if somehow they're able to legitimize a different type of of uh of performance enhancing uh you know scenario like like what you're talking about like gene therapy or or whatever like if if they're able to legitimize that socially like like on an ethical way then as long as the public thinks it's okay then everybody will start doing it i think you know what i mean it all depends on
02:23:22.000And right now, the public, for the most part, seems like they feel like it's wrong and To go ahead and agree to not take steroids and then lie about it and then go and do it.
02:23:34.000And I think that's a good way of thinking about it.
02:23:39.000I think they also realize in some sports, no matter what, you're getting it.
02:24:24.000As far as change and the radical change in what we've been able to do and manipulate the human body, When you watch Ray Kurzweil, do you know his movie about the singularity?
02:24:50.000That's all good, but you're not going to stop it.
02:24:53.000It's swarming around you, whether you accept it or not.
02:24:56.000And I kind of have the feeling that that applies to all aspects of technology improvement and innovation, including the manipulation of the human body.
02:25:04.000And it's going to be really strange when they start...
02:25:07.000Figuring out a way to turn virtually every person you see into a Vitaly Klitschko, into a giant super athlete.
02:25:15.000I mean, we're going to be able to do very strange things and manipulate the body in very weird ways in the future.
02:25:31.000As we know it, if the organic body ceases to become finite, if the organic body is a renewable thing that you can constantly replace limbs on and constantly fix organs, and literally we change the whole idea about having a lifespan.
02:25:48.000I mean, it's not as simple as cheating in MMA. It's as simple as, like, we're going to transcend the boundaries of our biological nature.
02:25:55.000And that's something where MMA is sort of caught up in the periphery of that, like the improvements that we've been able to do to sport science.
02:26:03.000And, you know, I love that term, sport science.
02:26:06.000I mean, it's basically just the body, right?
02:26:11.000The improvements that we've made just in understanding diet, nutrition, supplementation, and training, all that is pretty substantial.
02:26:17.000But it's nothing compared to what they're going to do once they introduce genetics, and all of a sudden you're a lion, you know?
02:26:23.000I mean, we're going to have a weird world.
02:26:25.000Yeah, that's interesting too, because evolution has happened a lot, I think, if I'm correct, through mutations that happen on a hormone level or a cellular level within people.
02:26:44.000And if that mutation happens to be advantageous to have in the current environment, then that moves on.
02:26:54.000Rather than the person adapting to the environment.
02:27:51.000Let's dig a hole and throw it in there.
02:27:53.000How can you dig that hole so efficiently with some brilliant person figured out how to make this monstrous machine that moves ground very easily?
02:28:00.000And you come along with very little responsibility for that.
02:28:45.000We're on a very strange path, and I don't want to necessarily judge it or criticize it as being completely negative and evil or wonderful and beautiful.
02:28:59.000It just is what it is, and people are doing what they're doing.
02:29:04.000I personally feel like more people should get in touch with the actual earth, which is, you know, we're products of the earth.
02:29:12.000This is our cradle, you know what I mean?
02:29:15.000This is like where we're born into, and I feel like people should get in touch with the essence of the earth more and just understand the earth.
02:29:25.000But don't go close to bears and take pictures of them, you motherfuckers.
02:29:29.000There is a reason why they have a 50-yard rule when you go to Yellowstone.
02:30:28.000Understand it and just understand how it works.
02:30:33.000It would be great if people understood I mean, look at it this way.
02:30:39.000We're supposed to be these amazingly evolved people, and we're superior than everything else on the Earth.
02:30:46.000Okay, well, why is it that every single other species living on the planet, unless it's in a completely alien environment, like a penguin in the desert...
02:30:59.000Most of the time, you set it out in the wild.
02:31:02.000You take a deer and you set it out in the wild.
02:31:04.000It's going to be alright unless it gets hit by a car or killed by a person.
02:31:07.000It knows what plants to eat, what plants not to eat.
02:31:48.000But yeah, it's like, if you are in the wilderness, how are you going to survive?
02:31:53.000Are you going to be able to make a run for the wilderness?
02:31:55.000I think most people would just end up staying in an urban environment, even if it's all rubble, and just trying to get together and make something happen in that way, because I don't think that people are going to be able to live in the wild.
02:32:53.000But if I'm able to, I think that that would...
02:32:56.000I think I would learn a whole lot more about myself and about the earth than I would in any other way.
02:33:02.000And I would learn a lot more about the essence of being a human being rather than just waking up and doing the same thing every day that we do in society nowadays.
02:33:16.000Have you ever thought about doing your own podcast, dude?
02:34:04.000Or when you're in post-flight interviews.
02:34:07.000It's like there's not that much time where people get a chance to sit down and get to know you.
02:34:11.000know you, but I think you're an admirable example for young men as far as sticking to your principles, as far as having a code that you live your life by, which I think is something that's really absent in a lot of people in this life.
02:34:24.000You're another example of a guy who's gone through a lot of adverse situations and developed great character and resolve because of that, man.
02:34:36.000I think people are going to enjoy this too.
02:34:38.000They're going to get a different sense of who you are.
02:34:41.000We all need to hear these kind of stories about turning your life around, about developing your character.
02:34:50.000These are all really important stories for people to hear.
02:34:53.000They're empowering, and I think they allow us to learn things without having to go through your experience.
02:34:58.000We can learn from your interpretations of your experience, and if we're presented with similar problems or similar scenarios in our life, we can learn.
02:35:06.000We can learn from what you learned and what the people before you who expressed themselves that you learned from their experiences as well.
02:35:49.000Tonight at the Ice House Comedy Club, again, it is a crazy fucking stupid packed show with Joey Diaz, Greg Fitzsimmons, Duncan Trussell, Ari Shafir, Brian Redband, Doug Benson.
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