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00:03:52.000You can get a Wikipedia, I think, this week.
00:03:54.000I think we're going to make it happen.
00:03:55.000But thank you very much for coming on the show.
00:03:57.000I became aware of you because of the internet, and I became aware of you specifically because of your interview with my crazy friend Alex Jones.
00:05:32.000For folks who don't know the story, the story that I got from the Alex Jones show is, and this is a subject that I have been really curious about why this wasn't receiving any mainstream coverage when we would see all this coverage of what was going on in Syria and all this coverage is going on in Egypt and in Libya, but we never saw anything on Bahrain.
00:05:52.000And I saw some horrific videos that I found online of just...
00:05:57.000The military assassinating different people that were protesting.
00:06:03.000And you look at the video and you're like, how is this not huge?
00:06:05.000How is this not all over the news every day?
00:06:08.000How are we not imposing sanctions on this country?
00:06:11.000How are we not speaking out against this horrific show?
00:07:04.000I think in 10 years if people go back and evaluate the situation, they'll They thought you were going to be a female Ryan Seacrest and just run with this.
00:07:11.000Well, there's a weird trend, especially in Fox News.
00:07:14.000They have these gorgeous women reading the news.
00:07:17.000I'm like, that is such a sneaky trick.
00:07:19.000Because especially if you're a guy who can't get laid, having a beautiful woman talk about anything is like, I just want to hear her talk.
00:07:25.000I just want to just tell me tell me what's going on and so like what better way to program people for your right-wing agenda than have like the hottest chicks on the planet tell you what's wrong with the left and then also have them say weapons of mass destruction and it worked You know, obviously, we ended up in Iraq and Afghanistan, and they're continuing to feed us propaganda.
00:07:46.000I don't think we can blame the hot chicks.
00:07:48.000But yeah, the propaganda is strong, for sure.
00:07:51.000Well, tell us your experience, because you know better than anyone.
00:07:54.000You were working on CNN. I saw some of the other stuff that you did that was amazing, especially the piece on the child prostitutes in Las Vegas.
00:09:33.000Some of this tear gas that they're using to systematically gas their people, which they are doing.
00:09:38.000They're taking weapons that they're allowed to use, which is tear gas and birdshot, and instead of using those for crowd control, they're using those to systematically kill their people and gas them.
00:09:48.000And this is being made in Pennsylvania.
00:09:49.000So they're killing them with tear gas?
00:09:51.000Yeah, because it's UN approved, so they're literally dropping tear gas on these villages every single day, all day long and night.
00:09:59.000And Physicians for Human Rights, a Nobel Peace Prize winning organization, has been trying to raise hell about this because it's tearing up these people's lungs.
00:10:31.000So far they don't know because they can't 100%, you know, say you were gassed and a couple days later you die because you have respiratory issues, you can't 100% connect it to the gas.
00:10:41.000But so far more than a couple dozen people have been killed.
00:10:48.000Yeah, and I think it's a way that they're trying to suppress the protests, also a way that they're trying to silence the opposition and get people in these neighborhoods to convince the youth to quit protesting because they keep getting gassed as a result of it.
00:11:15.000I always explain this to my sister because she's in that mindset.
00:11:18.000She doesn't really know about the politics in the region.
00:11:21.000Well, we keep hearing more and more about Iran and a potential war with Iran.
00:11:24.000So we need, we have a Navy base in Bahrain.
00:11:28.000And Bahrain is right across, there's a body of water separating Bahrain and Iran.
00:11:32.000So we need that naval base if we're going to go in and eventually attack Iran.
00:11:36.000It's very strategic for the U.S. That's why we have Bahrain as an ally.
00:11:40.000And so this situation is a situation where the US is giving Bahrain money and keeping our base there and allowing these atrocities to happen.
00:11:51.000So your tax dollars are going directly to this regime.
00:11:54.000Not only that, covering up this story further gets us into a potential conflict with Iran because we're demonizing people who we want to attack and then we're praising people who we want to keep as our allies.
00:12:10.000Who we really probably should be attacking.
00:12:48.000Not that I look back on it, it's kind of funny, but at the time we were very worried about the discs falling out as you're laying on the ground and you have a gun pointed at your head and they're erasing your video.
00:12:57.000You don't want that disc to drop out on the floor.
00:13:28.000No, the people are really good people.
00:13:31.000When you meet them, you just remember them.
00:13:33.000You hold a big place in your heart for them and for their survival.
00:13:40.000And you feel duty to tell their story.
00:13:42.000What is it about the Middle East that makes these crazy dictators?
00:13:45.000I mean, that's really the last place in the world where dudes are still rocking an old school like that, where there's like a king running a whole country.
00:13:55.000And it's really fascinating when you look at human history and you find out that that's where the original civilization, the oldest known civilization is Sumer.
00:14:16.000They've never had to move on like the rest of the world has.
00:14:20.000I don't think we can even wrap our heads around the idea of kings in this country.
00:14:25.000It seems even though as our police state clamps down and our rights start slipping away every day with more of these insane bills that passed, I still don't think we understand what it would be like to be under the rule of Saddam Hussein and having his Uday and whatever his other son's name, those crazy evil psychopath sons running around torturing and killing people.
00:14:45.000I don't think we can even understand that.
00:14:46.000I think that's almost outside of our range.
00:15:01.000We're keeping these dictators in power.
00:15:03.000So that's another thing that I don't think our current government wants us to discuss, because they don't want the people to be outraged and make us leave, and they don't want this protest to succeed, because if the protests succeed, these protesters are going to kick the U.S. out.
00:15:18.000I mean, the U.S. has aided this regime in oppressing them for Decades.
00:15:27.000And so that's another reason the U.S. doesn't want this reported on in the mainstream news.
00:16:07.000Are we completely about dollar bills now?
00:16:10.000Is it just about controlling oil ports and pathways?
00:16:14.000That's really what the Iran thing is about, right?
00:16:16.000It's about controlling the, about being able to get oil out of, what is that, that shipping route?
00:16:22.000Yeah, and it's about, it's about, exactly.
00:16:26.000And it's not, don't let people lie to you and tell you it's about, they're worried about human rights abuses in Iran, because look what we're doing in Bahrain in order to potentially attack Iran.
00:16:35.000We're helping them oppress hundreds of thousands of people on a daily basis.
00:16:41.000So if we really cared about human rights, we would have left Bahrain a long time ago, and we wouldn't be sending them weapons.
00:16:47.000We would be in Mexico if we cared about human rights.
00:17:22.000What did they tell you what you could or couldn't say about it?
00:17:25.000Yeah, well, what happened was once I got back from Bahrain, they were surprised when, obviously, the Bahrain regime, when we started airing this video, because we were able to sneak out with the video.
00:17:34.000They thought that they had erased all of our video.
00:17:36.000And so we started airing these stories.
00:17:49.000They pay US citizens and US PR companies to do PR for them.
00:17:53.000The people can't afford that, but of course the regime can.
00:17:56.000And then eventually, three months later, we finished our documentary and we found out that it wasn't going to be airing on CNN International.
00:18:05.000It aired once on CNN US, but never on CNN International to the target audience Which is the most viewed English news station in the region.
00:18:16.000And so these people needed to see this documentary, and it wasn't airing.
00:18:20.000And I've had documentaries I've done at CNN that didn't air on CNN International, but this entire documentary was shot overseas.
00:18:27.000And what really got me was my bosses directly above me were dumbfounded.
00:18:32.000We would have phone calls and emails and people said, I don't know why this isn't airing.
00:18:41.000I mean, they had risked their lives to tell this story.
00:18:43.000Our sources had risked their lives to tell CNN their story.
00:18:47.000One guy who worked for Doctors Without Borders, his house was burnt down after he talked with us.
00:18:55.000And our main source in the documentary, he's in prison right now.
00:18:59.000His mom just died yesterday and he didn't even get to say goodbye to her.
00:19:01.000Nabeel Rajab, he's in prison for the next three years.
00:19:04.000And he's a peace activist who has a picture of Gandhi on his cell phone.
00:19:08.000And so all of these sources that helped us film this documentary were punished and harassed for helping CNN. And so we still couldn't believe why they hadn't aired it on CNN International.
00:19:19.000And so I kept getting people writing me and calling me and telling me, you need to look into this.
00:19:28.000And seeing as how I don't have a family and, you know, I'm not tied down to a retirement plan or I really could give a crap about the money, I started looking into it and realizing that Bahrain's actually a paying customer at CNN. They are literally paying the network for programming.
00:19:46.000Journalistically, I don't know if a lot of people out there listening know about journalistic ethics, but we're supposed to be watchdogs on government.
00:19:53.000We're not supposed to accept money from them.
00:20:59.000When there's these blender guys in this talk show showing how you make cucumbers slice real easy and stuff, they have to tell you.
00:21:06.000Why don't they have to tell you that on CNN? That seems way more important than the fucking blender.
00:21:10.000Well, exactly, because it's shaping our foreign policy.
00:21:13.000I mean, they're feeding the American public this propaganda so that they think everything's rosy and happy in Bahrain, when really the situation there is horrific.
00:21:23.000And if you look at one of these programs, you can YouTube it.
00:22:08.000It's not fair to not only CNN's journalists, to our sources, but to the people watching, because they don't know they're getting propaganda.
00:22:16.000So this has been going on for decades.
00:22:33.000as we're seeing it now, yeah. - Leaders are striving to meet international expectations for a high profile football tournament.
00:22:40.000Europe's second largest country is the focus of-- - If you look up, yeah, the Ukraine, I mean, they're letting the Ukraine pay.
00:22:50.000Look up an iList Bahrain commercial, and you can watch the whole commercial, and you'll see not once in the commercial that's like progressive, fabulous, new.
00:22:59.000This week we're talking about Bahrain.
00:23:02.000You know, it never says in the commercial that this is paid for by Bahrain.
00:24:01.000And not only that, they're systematically getting it off the news in the U.S. as what happened to me.
00:24:07.000It became nearly impossible to cut through the red tape.
00:24:10.000This is really disturbing if you had any hope whatsoever that we were going to avoid some sort of conflict with Iran.
00:24:16.000It seems like that is just, they are dead set on it.
00:24:19.000That's why another reason I came forward urgently, because this is about much more than Bahrain, and the systematic cover-up of what's happening in Bahrain only tells you what's potentially going to happen in the future and in the near future, and that's an attack on Iran.
00:24:34.000Or potentially some people, if you go to the far side, who have really analyzed this, could say this could potentially become World War III. Jesus Christ.
00:24:44.000And it's all just to control oil, right?
00:24:48.000I mean, it's just to control oil, and this is the way they've always done it, so they're going to continue to do it this way, even though now people are paying attention, finally, for the first time in human history?
00:24:58.000Well, they're going to tell you, if you talk to people who are very pro-Israel, and once again, I don't have an opinion on any of that area.
00:26:42.000And guys, I mean, this could potentially get us into a conflict with much more permanent and damning implications than Iraq and Afghanistan ever were.
00:26:53.000Yeah, it seems like this would be huge.
00:26:55.000This would be much bigger if we actually went into Iran.
00:26:58.000It's another level of civilization above what was going on in Afghanistan and in Iraq, and there's no reason for it.
00:28:47.000He's the Gulf of Tonkin, which is a known false flag event.
00:28:50.000I mean, it's been proven that the Gulf of Tonkin, the whole thing was a big fake story in order to get people to be excited about going to war in Vietnam.
00:29:00.000And he was talking about that as if it was like some sort of an actual historical event.
00:29:06.000To bring it up like that in 2012, you have to either plead extreme ignorance or you've got to say that this is a thinly veiled statement that we need another false flag event because we're going to go into Iran no matter what.
00:29:19.000So let's just pretend Iran tried to blow something up and go fuck them up.
00:29:23.000And they did try to do that in 2007. And perhaps the most hunted whistleblower is not Julian Assange.
00:29:30.000It's a woman named Gwyneth Todd who worked in the administration.
00:30:11.000How many people are involved in something like this?
00:30:13.000Well, that's what worries me is because Gwyneth says that the same forces behind that and Iraq are now behind the current push to get into Iran.
00:30:21.000And I trust her because she risked everything to come forward and reveal that and now is in hiding in Australia.
00:30:30.000I don't know all of the details about it, but I do know that they were going to try to make it look like Iran had blown something up or attacked one of our U.S. bases.
00:32:08.000How did we get to be this nation of people that are led by these really evil corporations?
00:32:16.000I mean, that's essentially what the military is.
00:32:18.000If you look at the military, it's something that the banks and the people that are in power, the people that put presidents in power are using in order to force their corporate agenda.
00:32:29.000It's all about Controlling some resource, extracting some resource, controlling some areas.
00:33:25.000I know, and it's weird when you wake up at that moment and realize, oh my god, you've been lied to almost all of your life about certain things that are happening in this country.
00:33:35.000Is it just that we have too much power?
00:33:36.000Is there too many American military bases?
00:33:45.000You know, I don't know exactly what's behind this, but I do know that, I mean, if you look at NDAA and things that have happened over, just I know just in my career over the past decade, I covered the oil spill, I've covered the nuclear industry, all the wars, and really getting into it, I start, the more I analyze it, the more I think we've really lost control of the country that people have.
00:34:08.000It doesn't seem to be about the people at all.
00:34:09.000It seems to be about having the legal means to squash any dissent any way they want.
00:34:16.000Because of NDAA, which people don't understand, keep rallying against it, talking about it, like, God, why are you so freaking out about this?
00:34:36.000Now, this Bradley Manning guy who pulled the plug on WikiLeaks and the guy who distributed all the information to them, or who blew the whistle, rather, he pulled the plug.
00:34:45.000Well, no, he gave them those documents.
00:34:49.000He's in solitary confinement, and they've had him there for years now.
00:34:54.000They're not going to do shit with him.
00:35:21.000And that's another story that was really difficult to cover, stories of leaks and stuff while I was at CNN, and overall, in general, because of Obama's war on whistleblowers and journalists now.
00:35:53.000And here he is doing some of the worst shit to the Constitution, to the principles this country is founded on that has ever happened in our lifetime.
00:36:13.000Right now, he's been subpoenaing journalists for their sources, and he's gone after more journalists and whistleblowers than any other president in history, including one journalist, James Risen of the New York Times, a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist.
00:36:26.000He's gone after him with subpoenas to try to get him to reveal information about his sources.
00:36:30.000As journalists, we don't give up our sources.
00:36:34.000So, in effect, he's turned journalism into a criminal behavior and turned us into criminals.
00:36:41.000For me, it's terrifying because if someone comes to me and leaks a document that's vital to the public good that we need to know about in order to fix our government, Then I become a target, too, because they come after me.
00:36:57.000They have a fear it will be used against journalists because we're not giving up our sources.
00:37:01.000They will consider us to be aiding terrorists or terrorism and lock us up as well.
00:37:08.000And I think there's a lot of fear amongst the investigative reporters, investigative reporting community that this could happen under NDAA. So you're at CNN. All this is going down.
00:37:19.000And you're realizing that your piece has been pulled from the international arm of CNN. And what is the next step?
00:38:02.000What was his response when you asked him why didn't it get aired?
00:38:05.000The first time he said he'd get back to me, and then he never got back to me, so I made an appointment months later, and at that point he questioned me as to why a well-known New York Times reporter, Nick Kristof, had tweeted about the fact that they never aired the documentary.
00:38:20.000He tweeted something to the effect of, CNN, why didn't you air Amber Lyon's iRevolution documentary, Intimidation?
00:38:28.000Suggesting that Bahrain had intimidated CNN into not airing it.
00:38:31.000So he only questioned me about that in more of a kind of condescending, you better not be talking kind of way.
00:38:38.000And then eventually our unit was dissolved at CNN, so I was forced out.
00:38:43.000They dissolved our documentary and investigative unit.
00:38:47.000And I kept having this in the back of my head, like, you know, when you can't sleep at night because you know something is going on.
00:38:54.000And I didn't know how to come out and tell people about it because it is a very...
00:38:57.000I had to get all my ducks in a row because Time Warner is a very powerful enemy to have against you.
00:39:06.000And so finally when I came out, just to test the waters mentally, I tweeted about the fact that they had censored the documentary and then right away my agent was called and I was told on behalf of all the main executives at CNN, my agent was called and And told on behalf of these executives, you need to be quiet or you're going to lose your health insurance and your severance.
00:39:28.000And at that point, when they called to threaten me, I knew that I had to come out with this full-fledged.
00:39:36.000Because at that point, it solidified that they're trying to cover something up and shut me up.
00:45:02.000And so I was at a restaurant there where a lot of the staff speaks Spanish very loudly because they know no one in St. Louis knows Spanish.
00:45:11.000And one time I'm sitting there and I'm ordering food and I hear the guys talking about my body and breasts and everything else and clearly understand it.
00:45:21.000And toward the end I let them go on for a couple minutes and toward the end I turned to them and I said, Which really means how sad that you have a small penis.
00:45:56.000Yeah, it's gotta be a weird thing to be able to just yell shit out and nobody understands what you're saying, you know?
00:46:01.000Yeah, my ex-girlfriend, she could speak, and she would tell me, like, all the time, like, that person just said I had nice tits while we were walking by him, but she learned after a while she wouldn't tell me until, like, minutes later, because I kept on getting pissed.
00:46:12.000I'd be like, what the fuck, you know, dude?
00:46:47.000This artist on Etsy just makes all these presidents in crazy situations like riding horses and unicorns and tigers and stuff.
00:46:55.000It's fascinating that when you go back to the Constitution and when you go back to these guys that were originally starting off this country and they kind of saw this shit coming.
00:47:06.000When you really look at the obvious patterns of corruption that people in power seem to follow over and over and over again, those guys all saw it coming.
00:49:10.000There's a terrible gap between the way people are in power, whether it's police officers, anybody that is in a position of power, and the people that get suppressed by those people.
00:49:57.000That's not how you're supposed to do it.
00:49:59.000You're supposed to do it by sitting down with the community and figuring out what we can do to make sure this never happens again and to make sure that the person who did this never has the opportunity to do this again.
00:50:08.000Whether it's put them in jail, whether it's take them out of office, you know, fire them instantly and put them in jail, whatever it is, whatever, you know, the courts deem the correct action.
00:51:24.000And I remember being there, and we were in the middle of the road at a march, and I looked over my shoulder, and I saw the trucks coming down the street with police officers dressed in camo.
00:51:34.000It's almost like everything just came to a stop.
00:51:36.000Even the protesters, everyone could not believe what they were seeing, that these officers were dressed like that for unarmed children and women and men who were protesting.
00:51:51.000I feel a systematic crushing of dissent or protest by police departments across the country.
00:52:51.000And right there, that's at the intersection and they wanted to go down that intersection and head to Disneyland to protest because they felt...
00:52:58.000Look at all the soldiers with fucking machine guns.
00:53:01.000Look up Tim Pool and Amber Lyon shot at by Anaheim police.
00:53:06.000Because we were trying to cover this, Joe, and the police, we had noticed, kept setting up walls to keep us behind the police officers as we were covering it so we wouldn't be there with the people to see how they were being treated, also to see how they were being shot with these non-lethal rounds.
00:53:23.000And at one point, I was actually fired on by the Anaheim Police Department with less lethal rounds, but I was clearly standing in a busy street and they knew, here we are.
00:53:37.000So we're in a busy street and there I am right there.
00:54:28.000So they fired on you like this is a war.
00:54:32.000Yeah, and I was hiding between the two U-Hauls and I was yelling for Tim because I didn't know he had gotten away and I thought he'd been hit.
00:54:39.000And so I kept yelling for him to see if he was okay.
00:55:00.000Because the protesters weren't shooting at me.
00:55:02.000And I clearly have blonde hair and a bright green shirt on and was shooting photos of a dumpster that had been set on fire.
00:55:10.000And finally, after a couple minutes, I ran out and I was screaming press and they quit firing.
00:55:16.000And one of the officers looked at me and said, I was really worried about you.
00:55:21.000And then he also said, don't you know how to cover a riot?
00:55:24.000And then he pointed back at a photographer who was behind the police line with them, following the police, instead of actually hanging out with the protesters like we're supposed to do as journalists.
00:55:32.000We're out there to be a watchdog on authority and protect the public.
00:55:36.000In other words, that's what I believe they were doing, is trying to keep me from being with the protesters to film their injuries as civilians and bystanders were getting hit by these less lethal rounds.
00:55:49.000And that's pretty scary because they're trying to oppress not only these voices of dissent, but journalism and journalists.
00:56:01.000The system of government that we have, that the people that are in power are slowly tightening things down on us in the same age as the information we're getting from the internet now.
00:56:14.000The same age of instant information, instant about anything, answers to any question.
00:56:19.000The distribution of information through social media, through podcasts and Twitter and Facebook.
00:56:27.000The access to information is so instant and so...
00:56:31.000But yet at the same time, you have these crazy crackdowns, this crazy police state.
00:56:35.000It's almost like we're turning the light on a vampire and it's shrieking and reacting and showing us its true self.
00:56:42.000In these days gone by, when we didn't have the access to information, when we didn't know what was going on during the Gulf of Tonkin, when we didn't know what was going on during...
00:56:51.000Who knows how many different United States ventures overseas?
00:56:55.000When we didn't know, we had a different impression of ourselves.
00:56:59.000We had a different impression of the whole system of government that we operated under.
00:57:03.000Is it that or is it things are getting worse?
00:57:06.000Is it that or we really do have crooks in office and they are acting differently than Jimmy Carter would have or Bill Clinton would have?
00:57:37.000People criticize RT, but RT at least is covering what's happening in this country.
00:57:41.000Why do people criticize RT? Because they say it's state-sponsored and they're not accurately portraying what's happening in Russia.
00:57:50.000But regardless, they are accurately covering what's happening here in the US. And that should have been, if you're really looking at the situation with journalism and In the U.S. and the survival and what's an important story, that should have been on all of the mainstream media outlets.
00:59:25.000They were walking down in rows, the police, just walking through these neighborhoods.
00:59:29.000And you would see people peering out their gates.
00:59:31.000They're looking just horrified as walls of police officers would just come through their neighborhoods and just start firing and going through dark alleyways and firing.
00:59:43.000There are many times I had to scream, "Press!
00:59:46.000They're just walking through these neighborhoods with their guns pointed." These are elderly people and right there is- Those are beanbag rounds, and then the red things are pepper balls.
00:59:57.000And what the pepper balls do, it's like a paintball but filled with pepper spray, and it comes out, you know, makes it hard to breathe.
01:00:04.000The beanbag rounds, those are what worry me because those have a pillow wrapped around a lead pellet, and they can still tear open your skin.
01:00:13.000And like we were talking about earlier, if they hit you in the chest and your ribs were to break and pierce your heart, you could die, as well as it could crack your skull.
01:00:20.000It's killed people if it hits you in the neck.
01:00:22.000And that's why it's terrifying to be shot at like that.
01:00:25.000And you saw those people just standing in the street.
01:00:27.000And they're doing it like it's nothing.
01:01:12.000But even then, I don't remember seeing this.
01:01:14.000I don't remember seeing people just walking down streets, just firing indiscriminately into alleys and shooting at reporters, shooting at people that call them pigs.
01:01:22.000Someone calls you a pig, you're allowed to shoot at them?
01:01:27.000And I think that, you know, that has been, journalistically, a lot of us have been trying to analyze whether things have gotten worse or they haven't.
01:01:35.000And I've just noticed myself, I've been covering the protests for a year, I've noticed things getting worse as far as the garb that police are wearing, the video game-like.
01:01:47.000Intimidation tactics when they wear these ridiculous uniforms to a couple old people in front of Walmart.
01:01:54.000This is systematically dangerous for this country because what it does is it instills fear in people and it makes people scared sometimes to get out and protest.
01:02:46.000What did the protesters do that started this escalation?
01:02:50.000Well, what happened was first the police dog got released on the crowd and then they're firing on women and children and so that created a lot of anger then they went to City Hall to complain and then the protesters didn't leave the front of City Hall so that night I think a couple rocks had been thrown or I know a bottle at one point came right past my head It
01:03:22.000seems fairly minimal for the way the escalation you see in that video.
01:03:26.000Yeah, and right after a bottle or rocks were thrown, I mean, a wall of officers, when I say a wall, a wall of officers just started, bam, bam, bam, bam, into the crowd, and there were women and children.
01:03:44.000It's just, I mean, I know that Obama can't have his finger on every trigger.
01:03:48.000He can't be the one that's calling for all of this, but it just...
01:03:52.000It's so shocking for me after the idea that everybody kind of thought when this guy got into office that at least socially this was a change for the better.
01:04:02.000This was a guy who was obviously really intelligent.
01:04:04.000Really, like, highly educated, thoughtful, a great speaker, young and vibrant.
01:04:10.000This sort of represented hope, a black guy.
01:04:35.000And that's when I came to that realization.
01:04:37.000Because when I saw that everyone had called for change...
01:04:44.000And then when I saw not only that, but historically speaking, the Democratic Party has been more favorable toward journalism and journalists.
01:04:54.000And to see the way he's attacking systematically journalism with NDAA, And with the subpoenas and how things just really haven't changed.
01:05:04.000The only thing that's changed is we've had now our First Amendment rights taken away from us at an alarming rate.
01:05:12.000And it kind of makes you think you really have to stop and think you are not being an extremist in your views and you're not out there to really logically put things together, put the pieces of this puzzle together and realize that we don't have control of this country anymore.
01:08:01.000Clear video that shows something wrong, that has not been addressed, and that people did not know about, and something that was going to make people reconsider the way they think about the military, reconsider the way they think about what it is to have your own children over there.
01:08:22.000If you look at that collateral murder video, that's a disturbing fucking video.
01:08:26.000And that's a good video for everyone to see.
01:08:28.000Because it lets people know the truth.
01:08:30.000It lets people know this really happened.
01:08:33.000And your government did not want you to know about it.
01:08:35.000And they tried very hard to keep this information from you.
01:08:38.000Here's a bunch of other shit that really happened.
01:08:41.000With each passing thing that they release, it becomes more and more obvious how corrupt this entire system is.
01:08:48.000From lobbyists to special interest groups to being beholden to corporations to get into control to controlling natural resources in different countries.
01:09:55.000And overall, overwhelmingly, Americans are amazing, positive people who are able to make a difference and would be horrified if they knew of some of the things that are happening in the military and in these corruptions.
01:10:06.000And that's why they're going to such great lengths to keep people from coming forward.
01:11:10.000But I know there is a feeling in the journalist community now, especially with NDAA, that we are scared that one day there's going to be a knock on the door.
01:11:48.000And people don't, people, like you said, are just, why are you talking about NDAA? Well, it's so terrifying because this is now, I mean, come on, let's get to the black and white of it.
01:12:04.000I mean, now you can use terrorists to pretty much try to take out any of your enemies or anyone who is Is maybe an investigative reporter or a radio show host Who's against what the government's doing And that is so scary for so many of us I love it when they became insurgents What's going on now?
01:12:58.000What else did you see that you thought was being censored or downplayed?
01:13:04.000How much of WikiLeaks was censored over there?
01:13:10.000Yeah, I mean, I don't even know how much I can, it's just, I feel like I could talk about all of this forever, but this is really one of the first times I'm talking about the WikiLeaks issue.
01:13:20.000But that was another hands-off kind of red tape story as well.
01:13:27.000And it was difficult to get coverage of that, especially with any type of leaks.
01:13:36.000If someone comes forward with a leak to the mainstream media, now because of Obama's subpoenas, they have to analyze the legal aspect and whether they're willing to pay the money if it's potentially subpoenaed.
01:13:46.000And so that makes stories more expensive when it comes to leaks.
01:13:49.000Also, a story that I saw that was very difficult to cover was, I see you have a mask over there, anonymous.
01:13:57.000That became really difficult to cover because pretty much at this point, the FBI came out last year in last winter and talked about how they feel cyber terrorism is one of the biggest threats to the country.
01:14:12.000And in that speech, Robert Mueller also mentioned he threw in a line about script kiddies and people working on computers in their parents' basements, which pretty much meant he was referring to anonymous.
01:14:24.000So, journalistically, that became, if you cover anonymous, you have a chance of getting subpoenaed because the federal government is against Anons.
01:14:31.000And so it became very difficult to cover that story as well and became more of an analysis on whether we're able to spend the legal money than whether the story is journalistically important.
01:14:43.000I think the anonymous story is very important because we can't allow the federal government to come out and just call people terrorists or say...
01:14:52.000Cyber terrorists or try to instill fear.
01:14:54.000We need to know, there's a mask, the Guy Fawkes mask.
01:14:57.000We need to know, as journalists, we need to be able to talk to these people to see what they're really all about.
01:15:04.000We all know now we can't trust our government to tell us who our enemies should be.
01:15:37.000You know, or it really lets you know whose agenda they're on.
01:15:41.000Like, if you look at the situation with the FBI going after Anonymous and spending those kind of resources on Anonymous, wait a minute, why aren't you going after the bankers here?
01:15:50.000Why are you spending these resources doing these elaborate missions to try to crush hackers who the majority of them are actually on human rights missions and aren't even hackers, they're just Disseminating information on the internet and that's when I knew that that was another thing because they'd hit some corporations and so it's like okay so they're going after anonymous because the corporations are controlling our law enforcement decisions.
01:16:13.000I mean that was the black and white of the situation.
01:16:49.000Which is such vague terminology that you can use it for a journalist, a guy like Julian Assange.
01:16:54.000Because Julian Assange is with WikiLeaks and not with the New York Times.
01:16:57.000If Julian Assange was with the New York Times, the New York Times released all those WikiLeaks documents, it would have been a very different story.
01:17:04.000But because he's in this WikiLeaks, what the fuck is a WikiLeaks?
01:17:08.000It's connected to Wikipedia, which is sort of silly as it is.
01:17:28.000Only the stuff that already is here, because we've got that shit under wraps.
01:17:31.000So because it wasn't with the New York Times, then all of a sudden this guy can be labeled an enemy of the state.
01:17:36.000I mean, it would be a very different reaction if the New York Times printed that, and the government went after the New York Times and called the New York Times the enemy of the state.
01:17:46.000But because it's WikiLeaks, everybody should have.
01:17:50.000Every journalism, every person that cares about true principles, every journalist should have stood up and, I mean, it should have been the front page of every newspaper.
01:17:59.000It should have been like, this can't happen.
01:18:59.000They've distracted from the actual leak.
01:19:01.000And now it's become more about Julian and him having to hide in the embassy.
01:19:06.000And And these, you know, accusations out of Sweden and it hasn't become about what we really should be looking into and that was the leak and how we can fix that in the future so that horrific situations of civilians getting shot by U.S. troops don't happen again.
01:19:22.000But we're not focusing on that now because we're too busy focusing on where's Julian now and that's what they want and they've succeeded.
01:19:29.000And the fact that they're putting so much attention, emphasis, and focus on this one guy, and that they're doing it because he had surprise sex with someone, really?
01:19:38.000I mean, it's not even, they're not even calling it rape.
01:19:40.000I mean, it's not, he's not a murderer, he's not an armed robber.
01:19:44.000He's someone who had consensual sex with someone and then there's some weirdness that went on.
01:20:36.000And you know, they're also trying to send a message with that to journalists like myself and others, is look what's going to happen to you if you leak the leaks.
01:20:48.000It's a systematic way to try to prevent people from leaking information about corruption, but those leaks are vital to the survival of whatever ounce of democracy we have left in this country.
01:21:02.000If something is happening in your corporation that you know is violating the public good, you should leak that information, too, because if no one knows what's happening, we can't fix it.
01:21:12.000A true patriot is supposed to be someone who protects against enemies, both domestic and foreign.
01:21:19.000That's supposed to be the idea, is that it's not that we can't have foreign people that we love and that are allies, and it's not that we can't have domestic people who are truly our enemies.
01:21:29.000I mean, and anybody who's trying to turn this country into what it's becoming, when you see these fucking soldiers walking down streets, when you read the language in the NDAA and you go, Who fucking signed this?
01:22:13.000And that's where journalists failed and journalism failed because we should have had a tremendous amount of reports on NDAA and really a lot of more people raising hell about it.
01:22:22.000But it's been censored by the mainstream media.
01:22:41.000You look towards the future, and I have young children.
01:22:44.000I have a two-year-old and a four-year-old, and I look at what their life is going to be 10 years from now, 20 years from now, and if things keep clamping down the way they are, it's...
01:22:58.000And it seems to be, if you look at the amount of money we're spending overseas, and if you look at the incredible military budget, I mean, it's just astounding how much money.
01:23:08.000It's not a lack of resources that we have.
01:23:10.000It's just how those resources are being allocated.
01:23:13.000Those resources are being allocated in these really weird ways.
01:23:16.000Is it because we just need, in order to keep our lifestyle, we need to control these natural resources, whether it's in Iran or whether it's in whatever it is that we need to do in other countries?
01:24:27.000And I think people want you to think it's out of control, but this is very systematic.
01:24:33.000That language in the NDAA is very systematic.
01:24:36.000The crackdown on dissent in this country is very systematic.
01:24:41.000And the crackdown on journalism, who could expose the dissent, is systematic.
01:24:45.000And the fact that this stuff is not airing on all these mainstream outlets that are connected to all these corporations and governments It's systematic.
01:24:55.000So they may make it appear to be more chaotic than it is, but it really is a systematic crackdown on dissent and people who are criticizing the government.
01:25:06.000The average person who works eight hours a day, who has a mortgage, bills, car lease, things to think about, relationship troubles, do they even know what the fuck is going on?
01:25:16.000What percentage of the population is waking up?
01:25:19.000I'd say it's small, but there is an army of people waking up.
01:25:24.000And I know that from after going on Alex Jones' show and the response I got after that, I was really relieved.
01:26:00.000It hurts when you see the caskets that they're not allowed to photograph.
01:26:03.000It hurts when you hear people that have lost friends, loved ones, and you run into people that have no legs, that come back from Iraq, and you're like, for what?
01:26:28.000It's insane when you think about if that money could be turned On just helping the United States.
01:26:35.000Just helping the poor communities of the United States.
01:26:38.000Trying to figure out alternative fuel sources.
01:26:41.000It's like there's a stranglehold on the way things are run now.
01:26:46.000And the money that's being extracted with the way things work.
01:26:50.000Run now has such incredible power over our lives.
01:26:54.000It's really amazing how small groups, relatively small groups of people, if you stop and think about the actual amount of people that are involved in oil corporations, the amount of people that are involved in government, you compare it to the whole world, it's relatively small.
01:27:08.000But that relatively small group of people has this insane effect on our day-to-day lives and the future of humanity, the future of literally the human race.
01:27:19.000Because if we are The biggest superpower in the world.
01:28:58.000I think there's too many people out there that are, in what feels to them, an unproductive, unsatisfying cog in a wheel.
01:29:07.000And all of that leads to this feeling of detachment from the events of our world.
01:29:14.000And we sort of allow the people that are in the positions of power to manipulate these great masses of people.
01:29:20.000I mean, I've always said that the idea of a country is Really kind of ridiculous at a certain point.
01:29:25.000If it's not ridiculous today, it's ridiculous 100 years from now.
01:29:28.000The interconnectedness of human beings through technology is eventually going to make The ideas of physical boundaries and barriers where you can't go over there because this dirt is controlled by these people.
01:29:42.000Eventually, we're going to have to accept the idea of a world community.
01:29:46.000And when you think of the future and you think of what a world community would be like, one thing's for sure is you're not going to be able to control all those people.
01:30:01.000People are going to have to be served by By the notions and the beliefs that they have.
01:30:33.000You know, it's at a certain point in time, we're going to...
01:30:36.000We're going to connect to each other to the point where we realize we are really just one giant community.
01:30:41.000And if we're one giant community, we can't get led by these one people that have more ones and zeros that want to send giant metal killing machines to places we've never been because there's minerals there or because there's heroin there or because there's oil there or because there's whatever the fuck it is.
01:31:13.000I don't think we even realize when history looks back and they look at 1993, 94, whenever AOL started, when they look at that to now, that is a crazy change in the way people look at the world.
01:31:31.000Just the ability to communicate with each other and find out there's other people that think like you, find out there's other people that are scared and confused, and find out there's other countries that are taking over their country.
01:31:40.000They're taking it back and they're fighting against corruption.
01:31:43.000And then, you know, the United States sees that and goes, fuck this!
01:32:10.000Well, because it's supposed to be a larger battery, if you have a smaller battery, if it's removed, you have to have a housing and a place where it attaches, and that space is all used up.
01:32:22.000But really, with all the money Apple has?
01:32:25.000I've just heard a lot of people within the security community and train of thought That right now are speculating, why can't you take your battery out?
01:32:33.000Well, if you can't take your battery out, then your GPS can never shut off.
01:32:37.000I've had meetings with sources where I've had to literally throw my iPhone out the window because they said they wouldn't talk to me if I had an iPhone with me because there's no physical way to shut that phone off.
01:32:48.000So if anyone was monitoring me, there would be no way if I had that phone in my presence to keep it off.
01:32:53.000It's really creepy that Apple decided to include that.
01:32:56.000The ability of a third party to shut off your video camera remotely.
01:33:00.000And they say, well, hey, it's for concerts.
01:33:02.000It's for guys like you, Joe Rogan, to do your comedy.
01:33:26.000When I see the software that they have, one of my friends who is very savvy with knowing software and hacking and stuff has shown me programs where they can install it on your laptop and someone can get in and they can control your camera so they can monitor you all the time.
01:33:42.000They can literally, if you have a Wi-Fi connection, they can go and suck your information out of your laptop through the Wi-Fi and send it to another computer.
01:33:48.000I mean, all this stuff has been going on for years, you know, but it never really hit me in my head.
01:33:53.000And I said, gosh, how many times have you...
01:33:55.000Had your laptop open when maybe you haven't been dressed or other things, you know, so now I put a sticky note over my laptop camera.
01:34:05.000They're going to be completely grossed out by me, though.
01:34:11.000I had a friend who was hired by corporations to hack into computers and he said one guy, he hacked into his computer and he was recording the video off his computer camera and he has all these videos of the guy picking his nose and doing other things that men tend to do in front of their computers.
01:34:33.000I'm not going to say what it is, but you can assume.
01:34:35.000So he made videos of this guy beating off?
01:34:37.000Yeah, and he actually brought this stuff to him as part of his, you know, look what we have on you now, reveal the other information.
01:34:49.000What were they so interested in him for?
01:34:51.000Well, it had to do with a legal dispute with a law firm, but something to know is that anyone can access your computer at any time, so to be super cautious...
01:35:06.000So we should start shaving a little bit better.
01:35:09.000How long has this technology been available?
01:35:25.000How many people do you think that they've done that in lawsuits and stuff like that way and people just shut up about it because they have photos of them in front of the computer?
01:35:35.000Well, I think that's what's so scary for people about this new NSA facility that they're building.
01:35:39.000Yes, that was the next thing I wanted to talk to you about.
01:36:28.000Or we see that he's been visiting an oncologist.
01:36:33.000And he potentially has cancer, so we don't want to hire him for those health insurance reasons.
01:36:37.000It is dangerous to allow the government to collect this kind of information on its citizens.
01:36:43.000Any of that information can be used down the road to blackmail you, or keep you from whistleblowing, or as a journalist, keep me from leaking a story, or keep me from even having the story in general because they know what track I'm on.
01:36:54.000Do you think there's a way that they can ever stop everything from being public information?
01:36:59.000Because it seems to me that that's the trend.
01:37:02.000It seems that privacy is slowly eroding and it doesn't seem to just be like one group of people that has access.
01:37:09.000It seems to be that there's going to be a point in time where everybody's going to have access.
01:37:14.000That technology is going to bypass boundaries.
01:37:19.000There's going to be no boundaries anymore.
01:38:14.000I mean, you're going to foreign countries and exposing things and removing cell phone batteries and you're worried about being spied on, covering your lens of your laptop.
01:39:23.000No, I don't, you know, because I haven't, I've been thinking about it, and I don't quite know, I don't know, I think for me it's almost too much to handle, the thought of having to leave.
01:39:35.000But for especially investigative journalists after the NDAA passed, that's a reality for all of us.
01:39:40.000Because we're going to piss people off in the government, so how are they going to come after us?
01:41:49.000If Iran is doing anything bad, what is it?
01:41:53.000I think that, you know, you have Ahmadinejad who doesn't have traditional Western beliefs when it comes to homosexuality and also, you know, there is a beef they have with Israel.
01:42:04.000That being said, what he's been doing is rhetoric.
01:42:09.000We don't just go and attack every single leader because of their insane rhetoric, or we would be in every country, including Mexico, and we're not.
01:42:17.000And so now you have to sit back, and now that you can pull yourself away, and first step to recognizing what's happening is to know that you're being fed propaganda.
01:42:26.000And once you know that, then you can stand back and you can analyze it intelligently and realize, I mean, look at the movies we have coming out.
01:42:59.000It's that Americans were taken hostage in Iran.
01:43:04.000And in the end, maybe it's a heroic movie, but in the end you also feel You have a fear of Iran.
01:43:12.000It's going to put a fear of Iran in everyone that goes and sees that.
01:43:17.000Do you think that's a government plot?
01:43:19.000Or do you think that's just a movie that they thought would be timely?
01:43:23.000I mean maybe they thought that but regardless it's going to have an effect of people that leave that theater are going to have more of a fear of Iran instilled in them at a time where the news is constantly demonizing Iran at a time where we're about to potentially approve military action on the country.
01:43:41.000Contrary to popular belief, the youth of Iran are very westernized in a lot of ways.
01:43:48.000And they are not happy with the way that their country is portrayed.
01:43:53.000They're not happy with the whole situation, the situation of, you know, the way Iran treats its foreign policy.
01:44:02.000The young people there, they're very Americanized.
01:44:55.000I mean, if you also look at the media's coverage, not that I'm defending him, but the media tends to pick up on only cover those kinds of situations.
01:45:01.000They don't cover the times when he's speaking intelligently.
01:45:12.000Because I want to sit with him, and I have...
01:45:15.000Well, now that I mention it, it'll probably be stopped.
01:45:17.000But I want to sit down with him, and I want to get to the bottom of a lot of these situations with the whole wiping Israel off the map and other situations, because I can't trust that we've been fed the correct story on that through the mainstream media.
01:45:31.000I mean, the situation now is that even the other day, Ahmadinejad was speaking in front of the UN, and there's a video on the internet now of CNN cut him off.
01:45:43.000And then the reporter started talking over him at a point when he was talking about the fact that all the countries could get together and get along peacefully.
01:45:50.000He was talking about the potential for peace.
01:45:53.000Instead, they went in and cut him off and then, oh, yeah, yeah, listen to him, and now he's trying to do this and really demonizing him.
01:45:59.000And journalistically, you can't just do that.
01:46:03.000And they didn't give him his fair share.
01:46:04.000So maybe he's not quite as insane as we've been led to believe.
01:46:08.000There are many forces, very powerful forces, that want you to hate him and think he's freaking nuts so that it justifies us going in and attacking him.
01:46:18.000And when you start to realize that and look back at the info, you realize you may be not being fed the whole picture here.
01:46:25.000Knowing what you know and being in the position that you are, being a person who is behind the scenes at a major news outlet like CNN, and you get to see sort of the strings that hold the puppets up.
01:46:47.000Or is this a constant protest until we fall off the face of the earth and have a nuclear war?
01:46:52.000Do we just scream and throw our hands up and pout and yell and scream until they launch the missiles that wipes us all out?
01:46:59.000Or is it possible that with education, with the distribution of information that's available today, with people like us talking about it, with people That are young, like David Seaman, growing up and becoming political leaders.
01:47:12.000Is it possible that we can write this thing?
01:47:16.000That what we have is a group of people that are in control of this country that really came from another era.
01:47:22.000They came from an era of no disclosure.
01:47:24.000They came from an era where Watergate happened every now and then, but really it was because they wanted to catch them.
01:47:30.000There's plenty of information that they have on everybody.
01:47:33.000Let's just keep this thing going along the way it's always gone along.
01:47:36.000Is it possible that we can end this era and move into an era of transparency, move into an era where people who are the leaders of this country are doing it for the right reasons?
01:47:49.000They're doing it because they truly are patriotic, because they truly believe in the real ideals.
01:47:54.000When we think of ourselves in the best light, those ideals, the ideals of being an American, they can actually bring us more in line, bring our actions more in line with that.
01:48:17.000There are a lot of strong forces outside your show, Alex Jones, and other entities that are actually bringing out, talking about these things that the mainstream isn't talking about, NDAA, all these other issues affecting our civil liberties.
01:48:34.000If those forces can't compete and get the message out just as loudly as the mainstream, then I don't know what direction this country's headed in.
01:48:46.000And it's definitely not getting to the masses quite yet.
01:48:51.000But if we get to a point where we can compete with the mainstream and really get this information out, then people will be enlightened and they'll And they'll know when things are happening and can make a difference and actually look for solutions.
01:49:04.000The real question is how long can they hold that off for?
01:49:06.000Is it possible that they can fight that off with shit like NDAA, with all these passing, these sweeping bills about controlling the internet, the SOPA-type bills that they keep force-feeding and pushing through?
01:49:22.000How long can they really stop that from happening?
01:49:24.000Because it seems like this is a new era.
01:49:57.000Are we dealing with this new wave of people who are informed, who are growing into adulthood, that push these old douchebags out of office?
01:50:09.000Or are we going to blow ourselves up before we get there?
01:50:11.000Are these old fuckheads hanging on by kitty cat claws on a curtain just barely hanging on they hit the red button and the whole thing gets wiped back to 10,000 years ago again.
01:50:25.000I am an optimist, so I hope that's not in our future plans, but I think that the way things are going now, we're not in control of our country.
01:50:37.000The people of America are not in control.
01:50:40.000Well, that's a good question because obviously it's not the presidency because otherwise NDAA wouldn't have been passed and we wouldn't have this ridiculous war on whistleblowers and journalists who want to improve the country.
01:50:54.000So you think the presidency has, that's definitely not within what they're looking for?
01:51:00.000No, and I think that because it can't be anymore.
01:51:04.000I mean, if Obama signed NDAA with those kind of provisions to be able to detain American citizens without trial that violates the Fifth Amendment, it's no longer...
01:51:28.000That's where we borrow most of our money.
01:51:30.000No one really knows who's in charge of the Federal Reserve.
01:51:33.000Some people say they're the ones pulling the strings.
01:51:35.000You hear all these conspiracy theories.
01:51:38.000But one thing's for sure is the people of the United States, I feel personally, based on my last 10 years of really getting behind the scenes and investigating all of these major disasters we've had in the country, The people are no longer in control.
01:51:54.000Decisions are not being made on behalf of the people.
01:51:57.000If decisions were being made on behalf of the people of the United States, we would not be about to be entering Iran.
01:52:03.000We would be taking that money and giving it toward education and healthcare and improving the economy.
01:52:08.000If decisions were being made on behalf of the people, we'd be going after the bankers that got us in this mess.
01:52:13.000And what's staggering to me is that if you look at what we're doing overseas where we're spending all this money, a lot of the contracts that have gone to Halliburton for reconstruction, a lot of the different desalination plants they have over there, we could have easily had businesses profiting off of government contracts to fix our infrastructure, to fix our bad communities, to fix our impoverished places, to try to Heal up America.
01:52:39.000I've always said that the best way, if you want to make America better, the best way to do it is to make less losers.
01:52:48.000- That's a good way to put it, Joe. - You gotta go after, you have to try to help children.
01:52:53.000You have to try to brace poor neighborhoods and try to prop them up and try to figure out a way to bring some sort of economic prosperity to that area.
01:53:05.000Education, help people work, give them role models.
01:53:10.000There's money to be made and there's satisfaction to be gained from the people that could help those people.
01:53:15.000That's like a beautiful human experience of helping people out and propping them up.
01:53:20.000And it can be profitable because there's going to have to spend money doing that.
01:53:25.000So corporations are going to make money.
01:53:28.000It seems like it's just sort of a redistribution of the way we're spending our money from spending it on war to spending it on love.
01:53:37.000And it seems like there's money in love too.
01:53:39.000But we've been tricked into thinking there's only money in war.
01:53:42.000And to think that all of our resources and everything that we have and everything that we project can only be profitable if we're killing people.
01:55:52.000We should be run by people who feel responsible for their actions, who feel that the repercussions of the decisions that they make should be as positive as possible.
01:57:21.000And it seems inevitable and it seems like there's a battle going on.
01:57:24.000And there's a lot of people that believe that you can't have the true push and momentum of enlightenment unless there's resistance against it.
01:57:32.000It's that our entire nature is that we really don't achieve what we can achieve unless there's resistance.
01:57:41.000And so we still have somehow in our alpha male primate DNA this desire to conquer and this desire to fight against oppression, this desire to rise against the enemy and compete against your You're a fellow man, and it's almost like a lot of people believe that the only way for people to truly achieve enlightenment is to see a holocaust, is to see an inquisition, is to see the horrific possibilities of humanity, so it gives us something to not be.
01:58:11.000It gives us something to rise against.
01:58:17.000I think we're living in a weird world.
01:58:20.000We're living in a world that has changed a lot more than we're aware of.
01:58:23.000And it's slowly starting to creep up on us.
01:58:28.000Who knows if we've already missed the warning signs, but that's why people need to take it so seriously when we have NDAAs passed and when we see police dressed like Judge Dredd.
01:58:41.000Look what's happening on our streets of this country.
01:58:45.000Think of 10 years ago if you saw those police officers dressed like Judge Dredd standing in front of a protest in front of Walmart, intimidating a bunch of older individuals who are unarmed.
01:59:47.000And that's what's really fucked up about it.
01:59:49.000By the fact that someone gives them the green light, they feel like they're in the right.
01:59:54.000Like, well, these fucking protesters just stopped breaking the law.
01:59:57.000I'll stop shooting rubber bullets at their face.
02:00:01.000Just because somebody wrote something down on a piece of paper doesn't mean that shit's right.
02:00:06.000I mean, there's a lot of shit that's written down on paper that doesn't make any sense.
02:00:10.000And one of the things is that you're somehow allowed to bring tanks into a city and guys with machine guns because a kid got shot in the back.
02:00:18.000That's not the way you're supposed to handle that situation.
02:00:20.000That's not the way an enlightened being handles their society and their culture.
02:00:58.000And it seems to me it's like almost a race.
02:01:00.000There's a race between the assholes of the world that are trying to start conflict everywhere they can and try to extract resources and just fuck people over.
02:01:08.000There's a race between them and enlightenment.
02:01:58.000I mean, we're just at a time right now where I agree with you.
02:02:02.000That was a beautiful way to describe it, Joe, where we're competing.
02:02:06.000Enlightenment is competing with corruption.
02:02:08.000And you're seeing corruption slowly try to crush Enlightenment with NDAA, with prosecuting whistleblowers, and who's going to win.
02:02:17.000And I'm always on this side of the people.
02:02:19.000I think a growing number of people are realizing what's happening.
02:02:23.000But it can only happen if you let it happen to yourself.
02:02:26.000The NDAA is the best example of that there is a battle going on.
02:02:31.000Because just in the language that they use, saying that they can hold you indefinitely without recourse, that alone is like saying, nope, I have God mode.
02:02:43.000It's like saying, let's bring someone into God Note.
02:02:45.000That's your fuck the NBAA. Yeah, I had to create the meme.
02:02:48.000As journalists, we've had to also become activists when we've seen the truth because we are enlightened in a way that most of the public isn't.
02:03:30.000And that's the problem with law, is that, you know, just because someone put something into, once it's down, once it's written in the book, it can be interpreted a number of different ways, and used a number of different ways, as you're seeing in Bahrain, where they're killing people with sanctioned methods of crowd control.
02:06:27.000Clearly, we were running incompetently.
02:06:29.000And I thought Obama was going to be able to do something about that.
02:06:33.000Yeah, so did I. I think a lot of people felt that the country would change, and journalistically it's changed horrifically.
02:06:41.000So that only tells you, I mean, like I said earlier, that the presidency is no longer in control by the individual.
02:06:51.000You know, I feel like there are greater forces at play here, and our country is being led in a direction that's not in the direction the people want it to go.
02:06:59.000So what's going to happen here, you know?
02:07:03.000The crazy thing is if they do do something with Iran, they can't expect there'll be no repercussions.
02:07:06.000What do they think is going to be the blowback?
02:07:09.000What do they think is going to be the aftershock, the aftermath?
02:07:13.000How much damage is something like that going to cause internationally?
02:07:18.000If Russia and China get involved, it could be crazy.
02:07:23.000Yeah, it could be World War III. And they have nukes, you know.
02:07:26.000And I don't want to be sitting here fear-mongering, but I see the writings on the wall.
02:07:31.000You just have to look at all the propaganda being fed and the fact that Bahrain was so systematically censored that story in all of the mainstream media, not just CNN. And so you look at that, put the pieces of the puzzle together, and to me it spells out war.
02:07:47.000And the American people need to wake up and realize that we are close to action being taken.
02:07:54.000Now, is it going to be taken with the approval of the people?
02:07:59.000And it's pretty scary that I'm even having to ask this question now.
02:08:02.000Do you remember when Obama was running for office and they were saying he's going to pull out of Iraq, he's going to close down Guantanamo Bay.
02:08:10.000He had all these things that he was saying.
02:08:43.000Obama was going to get us out of there.
02:08:44.000And it seemed like we had realized as a country that we were going to have to correct the mistakes of the previous administration.
02:08:51.000But now there doesn't seem to be any of that talk.
02:08:53.000they've just swept that under the rug it's almost like they're denying that a there's still a huge conflict going on in afghanistan we're still to this day people are suicide bombing left and right there's all sorts of uh troops that we train are attacking americans and using the guns that we give them on american soldiers i mean it's fucking chaos over there and there's not a peep about it Not a peep.
02:09:19.000Not a peep about the fact that Afghanistan controls more than 90% of the world's heroin.
02:09:24.000And that heroin use has gone up, skyrocketed in the United States since our occupation in Afghanistan.
02:09:31.000And some of that is going towards to make OxyContin and painkillers that are causing a ridiculous number of addicts in Florida and in Appalachia.
02:09:43.000Have you seen that documentary, the OxyContin Express?
02:10:00.000When you watch that guy whose wife died of an overdose and he smoked OxyContin before he called the cops while his wife was dead next to him.
02:10:10.000My cousin's in jail right now for that.
02:10:13.000He grew up in an upper middle class family in the suburbs, and he got hooked on OxyContin after trying it at a party, then switched to heroin, and now he's in the slammer, unfortunately.
02:10:25.000Yeah, I have a family member who lost his shit over it, got injured, had a back injury, took it, and just lost it, gone.
02:10:43.000And what people don't realize is that there's more addicts, more pill addicts today than there have ever been at any time in human history.
02:10:52.000I mean, there's more people that are hooked on these fucking crazy pain pills I mean, it's an epidemic, a real epidemic.
02:10:59.000Meanwhile, the DEA is fucking going after medical marijuana, fucking breaking down doors and sticking machine guns and tie-dyed kid t-shirt faces.
02:11:29.000Yeah, because I've covered the OxyContin.
02:11:31.000I did a lot of reporting from Florida.
02:11:33.000I saw my family member affected by it, and I said, this is legal, and marijuana is illegal, if you look at the side effects.
02:11:41.000Well, Dr. Drew on fucking CNN tried to say that there was massive withdrawal effects that coincide with quitting marijuana, which is complete physiological nonsense.
02:12:46.000You can't say, because a certain amount of people can't handle marijuana, Marijuana would do a lot of people that are in control of this world some good.
02:12:55.000Just to be paranoid and just think about their repercussions and think about the actions that they've done and what that's caused.
02:13:03.000To the people that they have control over.
02:13:06.000Maybe you should give a Netanyahu a joint.
02:13:26.000I just can't imagine someone wasn't under the influence of some type of drug during that drawing.
02:13:32.000Well, it makes me think that this world's not real.
02:13:34.000You know, I go over this so many times that my fans are getting angry at me sometimes.
02:13:38.000Twitter me and tell me, stop talking about simulation theory!
02:13:42.000Because it really starts, when you saw Mitt Romney the other day, and he was wearing blackface when he was talking to the Mexicans, I was like, holy shit, this can't be real.
02:13:50.000That guy put fucking Snooki tan on his face, and he didn't even get it on his neck.
02:13:55.000He didn't get it on the back of his neck.
02:13:57.000So as his face is all like super brown and orangey, his neck is white!
02:14:02.000His neck looks like a fucking t-shirt!
02:14:04.000Dude, I've lived in Mexico and Guatemala, and he is not Hispanic.
02:14:09.000I don't care what he says or if he wants to try to fit in.
02:18:33.000If we all had really intense mushroom trips, first of all, people would come out of that with a complete reset.
02:18:39.000You would be healthy, but you would have a complete reset of the way you view eternity, the way you view this situation that we're in.
02:18:48.000We're so caught up in our own little culture.
02:18:52.000And our own little situation that we have constructed and that we're fighting against and trying to control these various aspects that we don't even think.
02:19:01.000We don't take the time to think about the incredible majesty of just life itself and how amazing it is and how incredible it is that you have friends and loved ones and how incredible it is that you can have sex and that you can drink wine and you can eat steak and you can go to a movie and you can drive a car.
02:19:22.000I think that if people had some newfound appreciation, whether it's from near-death experiences, whether it's from psychedelics, whether it's from meditation, whatever it is, I think people operate their lives primarily on momentum.
02:19:36.000They get up the same way they've always gotten up, they move in the same way they've moved to get there every day to work, and they go through the same job every day.
02:19:43.000That momentum is very, very difficult to break.
02:19:46.000And even if it's not a healthy momentum, whether it's beating off to your dick bleeds or gambling all your money away, we still get stuck in that momentum.
02:20:05.000The only thing in my experience that changes that is a complete reconstruction of how you view the world.
02:20:15.000And the only way to do that is to step away.
02:20:17.000You have to have some sort of a disconnect, some sort of a...
02:20:22.000An experience where you get an objective look at things for the first time.
02:20:27.000You look at things as if you were someone completely unattached to every single aspect of your life and the lives of all the people around with you, but you get to see it mapped out in front of you clearly and cleanly with no ego, with no financial repercussions.
02:21:34.000There's a guy named Terence McKenna who is one of my psychedelic heroes and he's just a really brilliant, fascinating human being and he had this crazy theory called the Stoned Ape Theory and it was his belief that since psychedelic drugs unquestionably have existed since the beginning of human civilization there have been various sacraments various things that people have taken during rituals to the point where a guy named John Marco Allegro
02:22:04.000was one of the scholars that decoded the Dead Sea Scrolls one of his translations he wrote two books about the translations One of them is called The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross.
02:22:17.000What his basic life's work was explaining was that the entire Christian religion was a massive misunderstanding.
02:22:25.000What it was really all about was psychedelic mushroom rituals and fertility cults.
02:22:30.000This was how the original group of people wrote down all these rituals in the form of parables, in the form of stories.
02:22:40.000You have to be some sort of a scholar in Aramaic and in ancient languages to even understand what the fuck he's saying to when you would disagree with it, but no question they had psychedelic mushrooms.
02:23:10.000And those stories didn't represent necessarily Santa Claus or, you know, and various people that were Jesus.
02:23:17.000One of the things that he translated was he believed that the word Jesus, or the word Christ rather, meant a mushroom covered in God's semen.
02:23:29.000They thought that when it rained, that it was God having intercourse with the earth.
02:23:35.000And that these mushrooms would grow out of the ground overnight.
02:23:38.000And they didn't have microscopes, so they couldn't see.
02:23:42.000The spores that turned into mushrooms.
02:23:45.000So they thought that this was like gifts from God.
02:23:46.000Then they would take them and trip their fucking balls off.
02:23:49.000So if you really stop and think about that, if you lived in a time where there was no science and virtually no understanding of the world that we live in and you found mushrooms and you ate them and just had this fucking mind-blowing, transcending experience, McKenna believed that was responsible for us evolving past lower hominids.
02:24:10.000He believed that the doubling of the human brain size over a period of two million years, which is a huge mystery in the fossil record, they don't really understand why the human brain size doubled.
02:24:19.000And it was his theory that they doubled because they started taking psychedelic mushrooms.
02:24:24.000These monkeys came down off the trees.
02:24:25.000They started eating mushrooms every day.
02:24:27.000And in doing that, it changed the culture of these animals.
02:24:57.000First of all, you might be very different than a lot of people that have had transcending experiences.
02:25:02.000Anyone in prison has done mushrooms, I bet.
02:25:05.000Brian, they might be fucked up to begin with, but you can't discount all the positive experiences and all the transcendent experiences that people have had because you haven't had them.
02:25:35.000What are your most profound experiences?
02:25:38.000What he's saying, I think, in saying that you think about it for two days is that for two days you sort of reconsider yourself and then you eventually go back into the pattern of your everyday life, right?
02:25:49.000Yeah, it doesn't do anything permanent where it's like, okay, I'm going to always, I'm going to be a better person.
02:25:55.000Okay, but that is extremely subjective and it does to other people and it has to me.
02:26:02.000So when you say that it doesn't, I say, okay, maybe to you, but for you to say that just because you haven't had a life-changing experience where they've pushed you into a different direction of understanding doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
02:26:13.000When I'm telling you that it exists for me, and there's two of us, so it's 50% of the people in this room.
02:26:20.000Yeah, but I think what I was getting at is that I don't think if you had everyone do, because you say this all the time about if everyone just did mushrooms, everything would fix itself.
02:26:31.000I don't think for most people mushrooms has that big of an effect after a couple days.
02:26:35.000Well, I think that's because of momentum.
02:26:38.000I think that's because of momentum and because of the fact that it's so easy to go back and to think about your life the way you used to think about it before you had that experience.
02:26:47.000Your ego will guide you right back to the patterns that you're comfortable in anywhere, you know, unless you've chosen.
02:26:53.000Look, what makes a person decide, you know, I'm tired of being a fat fuck.
02:26:56.000I'm going to start eating healthy and I'm going to drink water all day and I'm going to lose this fucking weight.
02:27:03.000They try it and then two days later they go back to eating again.
02:27:06.000I mean, Brian, you've been on several diets where you've lost a tremendous amount of weight and then you go back to your normal patterns of eating, right?
02:30:00.000How old was he when he was scuba diving?
02:30:02.000I think it was later in his life, but not too late.
02:30:06.000But that's just a well-known phrase within scuba diving that he would always say that, especially when he was able to go down in places like Hawaii where you have turtles.
02:30:15.000And that's like tripping when you see a turtle swimming right next to you and you're swimming and you're at the same pace and it's this huge sea turtle.
02:31:23.000I'd say he was really the guy who brought it to the mainstream.
02:31:26.000And so we were there live on TV scuba diving, and all of a sudden there were sharks swimming behind us.
02:31:31.000on air and a lot of viewers thought we were going to get eaten and so I was really paying attention to we were wearing hazmat suits and I was paying attention to not drowning because my suit had flooded and we were in oily water and so I barely noticed the sharks but I went back and watched the video and there are a lot of them that just keep swimming right past us and I later find out that our my asshole South African photographer was throwing lunch meat off the boat That was attracting all these sharks to come toward us.
02:32:02.000Yeah, he was throwing, we had Walmart sandwiches, and he was throwing the salami and the bologna that he didn't like off the boat, and it attracted one shark, and he thought it was funny to bring all these other sharks on board.
02:32:30.000Actually, it doesn't seem like they invented it.
02:32:34.000It seems like Jacques Cousteau sort of made it...
02:32:39.000Made it popular, but it seems like the first inventions of it were in the 1700s.
02:32:45.0001771, a British engineer named John Smeaton invented the air pump, and a hose was connected between the air pump and a diving barrel, allowing air to be pumped to the diver.
02:33:14.000Well, I'm not a claustrophobic person, so it doesn't affect me in that way.
02:33:18.000But I could see how some people would affect them because you have all this gear on and you're relying on this claustrophobic thing over your mouth to be able to breathe.
02:33:26.000Yeah, it seems like if something goes bad, it goes bad fast.
02:33:29.000You know, like if you see like a shark or something like that, you just start panicking.
02:35:04.000Yeah, I always, when I come out with things full force, it's only when I 100% know the truth.
02:35:12.000Because no matter what, if you follow the truth, I always say it doesn't have a shelf life.
02:35:16.000Whatever, the corruption is going to get exposed.
02:35:20.000And I think that, you know, I really do believe my lack of sense of fear also.
02:35:27.000It enabled me to do that because I don't have that thing over my shoulder telling me, okay, well, what if someone comes after you for going after Time Warner?
02:35:34.000Or what if you don't have a job or money?
02:35:51.000Where do you see this all going for you?
02:35:54.000Do you have like a 10 year map out where you sort of projected what you're going to be doing or are you just sort of living in the moment and trying to react to the world changing around you?
02:36:08.000I am trying to use everything in my power to enlighten Americans and let them know what's happening.
02:36:16.000I don't know yet where I'm going to be ten years from now.
02:36:20.000Hopefully safe and sound and working for a journalistic outlet that allows people to do real journalism again.
02:36:28.000Whether I have to create that Or whether someone else will.
02:36:35.000Do you think that your bold choices will inspire other people that are in your same position, that were in your same position, like in places like CNN and Fox News, to do the same and to expose things?
02:36:46.000Or do you think it's really hard to do?
02:36:48.000It's hard to do because no matter what, you're going to face criticism.
02:36:52.000And then when you look at it journalistically, how much power these networks have and how few companies own everything, people don't want to tick them off and people don't want to lose their health insurance and they don't want to lose their severance and they don't want to lose money.
02:37:07.000And it's easier just to go along every day and pretend nothing's happening and continue to just...
02:37:15.000Have that imagination that you're just a cog in the machine and you're not really the problem.
02:37:19.000Well, every single person that's enabling this to happen is the problem.
02:37:25.000I feel like these journalists are going to go down on the wrong side of history and they're just as guilty as the corporations they work for because they know this is going on and they're not saying anything.
02:37:35.000Not only are they not saying anything, they're continuing to go into work every day and feed lies to the American public.
02:37:41.000Do you remember when they used to have all those movies about the McCarthy era and that one movie with Robert De Niro?
02:37:48.000I forget what it was, but it just showed the suppressive nature of the government back then and this massive witch hunt.
02:37:56.000It's so similar to what's going on today.
02:37:58.000It's so weird how things go in these weird cycles, these incredibly bizarre cycles.
02:38:09.000Well, when that witch hunt becomes a guy like Julian Assange, when the word terrorism turns to a guy like Julian Assange, it really makes you go, what is your definition?
02:38:34.000Corruption is fucking terrified of him.
02:38:36.000You know, and I'm sure there's people that would consider me a terrorist because if I know that they're corrupt, I'm going to fucking expose them.
02:39:05.000Instead of doing it correctly, you've decided to take away all dissent and slowly remove the rights of the people that are showing dissent.
02:39:16.000It can only happen if people let it happen.
02:39:19.000Do you think it's ever possible to make a new country, like the way we did America, where everybody hopped up from Europe and like, fuck this.
02:39:25.000It was only a couple hundred years ago.
02:42:18.000Well, that's another thing that's been widely misreported in the news is this attack on the U.S. embassy in Libya that they attributed to this fucking shitty movie that this guy made.
02:42:29.000And apparently that's not true at all.
02:42:31.000That attack, rather, had been planned for a long time before that and purposely took place on the anniversary of September 11th.
02:42:41.000And that for some reason or another they decided to blame it on people reacting to this movie.
02:42:48.000So sort of give people an irrational idea of how Muslims would respond to any sort of mocking of their faith.
02:42:57.000And to get us even more angry at the idea of Muslims and more excited about the idea of stopping this Muslim threat, this Islamic threat that the world sees.
02:44:06.000And taking photos of protests here in the U.S. And really showing people this is happening.
02:44:12.000And not only that, people are winning.
02:44:14.000There are people, man, these people down in Texas that are fighting the tar sands pipeline, they're crazy!
02:44:20.000These old farmers are putting devices on to physically attach themselves to equipment that law enforcement has to saw off in order to get them away.
02:44:47.000Down in Texas, they're building a tar sands pipeline through some communities, through some wineries, some farms, and the community is very upset, and they've really done what's called direct action protesting, which you can assume what that means as direct action.
02:45:01.000I mean, they're getting in there and preventing this construction from taking place.
02:45:04.000They're also building houses, tree, they're taking over trees and forests and building tree houses and having professional climbers come in to keep the...
02:46:13.000Like, we always see, oh, Occupy is so stupid, and they're not getting any change done, and they're not winning.
02:46:18.000Actually, they are winning, and there's a lot of cases where they have won, and that's what this book's covering, and that's what also is going to piss a lot of people off.
02:47:43.000Or what they do is they say they're investigating it, and maybe they drag on that investigation for months before they take your name off that list.
02:47:54.000It's just Big Brother trying to intimidate dissent, and not only that, intimidate politicians who would be against their behavior, as well as journalists.
02:48:04.000I don't think they've messed with me, because I know I would raise so much hell about it.
02:48:09.000Or maybe I haven't investigated the TSA yet.
02:48:14.000Wow, what a weird, weird world we live in.
02:48:17.000Yeah, I mean, could you imagine going to the airport, you're going to visit grandma, or maybe it's an emergency, a funeral or something, and you're told you can't fly?
02:49:51.000If you really want to have that video and put it out there, first of all, everyone's going to know that you can do that and it's going to be massive outrage that you turn on someone for whatever reason.
02:50:01.000You've been videotaping them beating off the whole time?
02:50:03.000That's some un-American bullshit right there.
02:50:41.000You know, I was thinking of your show and I was thinking on my way here of how I think that your show will go down in history as a show that told the truth and actually...
02:50:52.000It was a strange rise out of the mix into something that is really becoming one of the leading voices of truth when it comes to podcasts and other content.
02:51:08.000And you guys are really starting to fill that vacuum that has been created by the mainstream media.
02:51:15.000Well, it's just weird to me that there's not something like this in the mainstream media.
02:51:20.000It's like I look at things that are fascinating to me and the world is filled with them.
02:52:05.000I don't know why that exists when that's always what I would get together with my friends and talk about.
02:52:11.000When me and my friends would be alone at a restaurant somewhere and someone would talk about something or Eddie Bravo would bring up some video he saw or Brian would talk about something that was on the internet and we would all sit around and talk about it.
02:52:24.000I never understood why there was no show That had these points of view.
02:52:28.000There was no show that was like, what is going on here?
02:52:30.000Where everybody seems to be pretending that everything's fine.
02:52:33.000Everybody seems to be pretending that everything is going along a manageable course and we're going to be fine.
02:53:42.000Me, just historically speaking, I don't vote because I don't want a dog in the race.
02:53:49.000And I know I get criticized for this all the time.
02:53:50.000But I know if I do go in and take the time to vote for someone, I'm going to be secretly rooting for them.
02:53:56.000And that's the problem we're having now, I think, with people not criticizing Obama enough, journalists, because journalists tend to be more liberal, and they're scared to criticize him for NDAA, and that's why we're not seeing these vital issues covered.
02:54:07.000So I feel like, as journalists, I feel like we shouldn't vote.