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00:01:14.000They have a bunch of cool smartphones, including the Samsung Galaxy S3, which is amazing.
00:02:30.000But they have the Galaxy S3. Yeah, that's why I wanted to get the S3. That's like a medium ground between the Note and some of the other Google smartphones.
00:02:39.000But what's great about Ting is the way they've set up their business.
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00:02:59.000I think it's a crazy, horrible situation where...
00:03:04.000When you order service, especially from some gigantic multi-billion dollar companies, when you're ordering service, when you don't want the service anymore, you should be able to say, I don't want your service anymore, thank you very much, and boom, it goes away.
00:03:18.000It shouldn't be you have to pay them money, but that's how it is with most major providers.
00:03:22.000And Ting doesn't have it set up like that.
00:03:25.000Ting also, I misspoke when I said that your minutes go into the next month if you don't use them.
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00:05:57.000However, I'm way too stupid to be describing that science because I really have no education in any of these subjects and it's really nonsense and gibberish that I've just memorized from people far more intelligent than myself.
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00:08:16.000All of it is stuff that I've learned from strength and conditioning coaches from...
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00:14:34.000And you are, as far as the psychedelic community goes, you're the only guy that I've ever seen that I've looked at your work and I'm like, wow, that guy actually captured some of that.
00:14:50.000For someone who hasn't experienced a really intense psychedelic breakthrough sort of a moment, I don't know if they would connect with your artwork the same way.
00:16:15.000Because it's impossible to actually translate that trans-dimensional realm, that inter-dimensional infinitude.
00:16:25.000And yet, as crude as it is, a painting That's an authentic transmission from that state will communicate to people and it astonishes me that I meet brothers and sisters all over the world that say the same thing, that they've been there, they've seen that, they know where I'm painting from.
00:16:47.000Have you ever had a thought in your mind or a dream where somehow or another in the dream, this has happened to me several times in my life, Where an image, a really weird, bizarre, random image, was recognized to me to mean something or play some significant part in my life.
00:17:07.000Whether it's some friends I know, a place that I live.
00:19:33.000When I was 21, I had a kind of a crisis, I think, and I wasn't sure that I really wanted to live any longer, because I was really depressed.
00:19:51.000And, of course, I did not believe there was a spiritual reality at all.
00:19:57.000And even though my friends had tripped before me, I never did, because I was so miserable.
00:20:06.000I just thought I'd go to hell, and who needs infinite hell?
00:20:09.000And so, anyway, at some point, I prayed to a god that I didn't really believe existed, and that if you do exist, then I need a sign, or, you know, I'm through.
00:20:26.000And so within 24 hours, I'm saying goodbye to my professor at art school.
00:20:36.000It was the last day of school, like August 30th or something.
00:21:29.000And I got to the door and the gal drinks the other half.
00:21:34.000And I sit on her couch for the entire journey, almost, and just sit there kind of weirdly inside myself on one of her sculptures, a couch with a soft figurine of a self-portrait.
00:21:53.000And so, when I close my eyes, Inside, and I've never had a trip like this since, but I was in the dark.
00:22:04.000I could see I was in the dark, but I was going toward the light because there was this curling kind of mother-of-pearl like conch shell thing and I was in it like a tunnel with a light coming just from around it the side and It was awesome because it was that was it.
00:22:25.000This was the light was God and And I knew that even if I was in the dark, I was going toward the light.
00:22:33.000All the shades of gray connect both those opposites.
00:22:37.000And so I changed my name to gray right then.
00:22:41.000And so my art has always been kind of trying to integrate the spectrum of reality into a more holistic picture of the trans-dimensional, the visionary, and the transcendental.
00:23:00.000Because the transcendental Art traditions, you know, all the sacred arts of all the different world, visionary cultures.
00:23:09.000Because all religion comes from the mystical experience.
00:23:15.000And you see it through all the mosques are beautifully ornamentally patterned from the same visionary mindscape that a DMT user would recognize.
00:23:26.000And the same thing goes for the great Christian masterpieces and All through world religion, there are these waves that have crystallized into these visionary experiences of angels, of demons, of all kinds of worlds.
00:24:39.000We listen to the music or watch the dance.
00:24:42.000It's the way that people connect together.
00:24:44.000It's a fascinating aspect, though, a really underappreciated aspect, the aspect of religious art having influence, because especially when you're stopping and you're thinking about back when people had no other transmissions, there was no broadcast images, there was no video, there was no photographs.
00:25:00.000You literally had nothing or incredibly stunning religious art, you know?
00:25:15.000Because there would be all this other art, but the other art, whether it's a painting of a tree or whatever the fuck it is, it's not going to be Jesus.
00:25:22.000And someone who can paint an incredibly detailed Jesus, and if you stop and think about the time in which these people were doing this, this is an incredibly...
00:25:35.000The access to information was almost nil.
00:25:38.000So this, to them, must have been hugely impactful.
00:26:33.000And that's what we're building at COSM. Even Scientology has lava exploding out of a mountain and a cross with a crazy star thing in the middle of it.
00:27:55.000It was the, I believe, later 19th century when he received the understanding that there's a unity of all world religions, that we should consort with people of all religions, and that religion comes in waves of revelation.
00:28:15.000And he argued for the equality of women and men and the friendship of all races.
00:28:24.000And so the understanding of how some of the religions had failed us, but not pointing out negatives, but just positing what could be as a higher vision of world religion.
00:28:40.000It's fascinating to me that even religions that are clearly made up, like where someone has sat out to try to create a religion, you can call it a cult or what have you, but there's ones that they've done that where even though You know that someone invented it.
00:28:56.000It still has a positive impact in those people.
00:28:59.000So it's almost like even creating a fake religion, if done the right way, imparts some sort of state of consciousness.
00:29:14.000Stuff based on falsehoods are not really religion, to me.
00:29:19.000The real religion It has to do with direct contact with God.
00:29:25.000And then it comes out through these stories, and the validity of any of the world religions is through the direct contact.
00:29:35.000But I know people that are Mormons that have benefited tremendously from being Mormon.
00:29:40.000I mean, I know some really nice, friendly people, and a lot of that is attributed to their faith, which brings them to these churches and these communities.
00:29:48.000But that thing was created by a 14-year-old boy who said he found golden tablets that were the lost work of Jesus.
00:29:56.000That is something that was created by bullshit, but it seems to be helping those people.
00:30:50.000So there's the Rosetta Stone, all of these...
00:30:53.000Written in stone is a very powerful symbol.
00:30:58.000And the chameleon that doesn't burn, it's an alchemical symbol.
00:31:08.000So, to us, the iconography, the icon of written and tablet, is almost like all sort of profound ideas will come in that form, or many will come in that form, because it represents, almost in our DNA, it represents something of significance.
00:31:26.000Well, those aligned with this vision, this higher vision, granted an American vision.
00:31:36.000This was like one of the earliest religions along with spiritualism born in America.
00:31:44.000Now there's a differentiation because you have your Middle Eastern which is mostly everything comes out of there and you go a little to the side and to India and it didn't happen over here to our knowledge.
00:32:01.000Of course the native people We're wise beyond anyone, but no one was listening to them.
00:32:07.000No one took them seriously because they were all heathens, and so they were murdered.
00:32:13.000We moved to an awesome, awesome place upstate, Hudson Valley, the town of Wappinger.
00:32:21.000And the Wappinger people, 400 years ago, peopled the east side of the river all the way down to Manhattan.
00:32:29.000There were, you know, loosely federated tribes.
00:32:32.000And you knew that, because you're from Jersey, the The Hudson River used to be called the Mohicanituk before Henry Hudson.
00:34:12.000And so the last time we're driven out like the Scioto Trail, the Trail of Tears, and I heard like this Native American brother came to us after we acquired this land in Wappinger because he felt it was always holy to the Wappingers.
00:34:30.000And so, you know, we put a big cairn to honor the Wappinger spirit.
00:34:38.000And he talked about what happened to the Wappinger and how they were walked out through Ohio.
00:34:49.000They had to march, you know, and as they were going through Ohio, they passed right down High Street from where I was born.
00:35:35.000And so High Street was the Trail of Tears.
00:35:40.000And at that point, Evan said that A number of the Delaware Indians began to absorb the brothers and sisters of the Wappingers so that they found a solace there.
00:35:52.000And there was something very interesting about the Delaware Indians was that they had a particular kind of haircut that was only for the warriors.
00:36:00.000In order to keep their bow out of the hair, it was cut in half.
00:36:08.000The side was shaved bald and the other half was long.
00:36:56.000And, you know, just say what remarkable and wonderful people that they were.
00:37:03.000Could you imagine, I mean, I'm sure you have imagined, because you live on this property, have you thought about what it must have been like to live there as them before the white man arrived?
00:39:08.000But I try to limit it and I put really healthy food in between that some people don't do that They don't and if you don't you can get caught up in this addiction cycle with shit food Yeah, I mean if you're if you know everybody who does that ought to read that old report, you know Yeah, yeah Yeah.
00:39:30.000That's certainly a good thing to read.
00:39:56.000Amazing industry that's grown up around, and the breakthroughs in motion picture technology, all kinds of things.
00:40:04.000Nature films, you know, they used to really deeply...
00:40:08.000And UBI Works, they finally are acknowledging his authorship basically of Mickey Mouse and things like that.
00:40:18.000So I think that they're an awesome organization that has tried to grow in a beautiful way and in a way a kind of the most generous representation of the cherry on top of American culture or something.
00:40:36.000At the same time, you really wonder, what does it actually mean?
00:40:42.000What is the religion of Disneyism teaching us?
00:40:47.000A passive observation of reality and to kind of delight us with spectacles of our sort of delusional understanding of certain things or is it actually playing an important kind of moral role?
00:41:07.000And I think that for the most part, you know, it's been a very benign to very positive organization, I think.
00:41:15.000And as a And as art, it's unparalleled.
00:42:39.000Talk about the negative aspects of humans and man lately on this podcast has really been a bummer.
00:42:45.000We've been having a lot of people like like reporters telling us about corruption and Congress people running for Congress that are telling us about how Fucked up these new bills that are being passed.
00:42:57.000I mean you just over and over again you keep hearing negative shit and we're guilty of it too.
00:43:07.000They promote a positive vision of possibility for all of us and have always emphasized creativity and the imagination as something that is really important.
00:43:22.000It's amazing that they can get that many people to be friendly.
00:43:25.000You never hear about a gang fight breaking out of Disneyland.
00:43:29.000That's what kind of makes me mad with all those protesters in Anaheim who are trying to march towards that.
00:44:52.000I know, but unfortunately you know how there's going to be people, especially homeless people, that are joining these kind of protests just to be like, fuck the police, because I saw it at...
00:45:49.000But what I found fascinating about it, one of the things that made me smile when I was there was it really is amazing how well people can get along.
00:45:57.000It's sort of If the right kind of vibes are generated, and Disneyland, it's like the exact right kind of vibe.
00:46:28.000And they tried to get along, you know, instead of think that, you know, stepping outside of a place like that, which, you know, say it one way or the other, seems a little more sacred to people.
00:46:41.000And that may seem humorous in some ways, but it's because it's focused positive, it's family oriented, it's non-denominational, and can be enjoyed and, you know, by anyone. and can be enjoyed and, you know, by anyone.
00:47:21.000It's a fully dynamic pull you into a new way of seeing reality that kind of reorienting experience.
00:47:31.000You know, it's like, oh well, we just want the temples to be like this because they're so exciting and they're so fun and they're Some are a little too threatening, but some are, you know, depending on the age, you know, and so you learn and you can grow and you can go and visit these things and enjoy them with your children.
00:47:56.000Winnie the Pooh is, first of all, it's fascinating because my daughter, she's only four, and Winnie the Pooh is like, you get buckled down in this thing, and it's a slow-ass ride.
00:48:05.000So when it's over, she looks at me and she goes, why did we have seatbelts on?
00:48:43.000I mean, he's in this wonderful, psychedelic heaven where this, like, tiger who's neon-colored, completely, like, the whole thing is white, you know, black lights.
00:48:57.000Look, when you go through it, when Winnie the Pooh has his psychedelic trip, like right when he goes through and he falls asleep, it's so obvious they're like acid-based.
00:50:46.000What's the ayahuasca human-animal anthropomorphic being?
00:50:50.000Well, there they were, standing up like human beings, kind of.
00:50:53.000And your association with them was person-to-person, in a way.
00:50:57.000But they represent the character of that.
00:51:01.000You know, in a more humanoid, anthropomorphic, talking kind of way.
00:51:07.000So that spirit, in a sense, can speak to you.
00:51:11.000Like you could be in contact with other animal spirits, but they would communicate to you in a certain language that you could understand.
00:51:20.000And so always, I think, the shamans had been able to have relations with these spirit beings.
00:51:27.000And some of the earliest cave art, actually, of male figures are so-called sorcerers, like the Sorcerer of Troifere, And it is a horned kind of deer type being that is also a man.
00:53:11.000It tells you the shamanic, you know, x-ray vision.
00:53:19.000That is an ancient kind of quality of vision that sometimes you appear to be able to see through to the lifeline or to the underlayment of the fabric of the body, of the physical body, to another kind of body.
00:53:36.000It's mostly the fusion of the human and animal archetype.
00:53:40.000You can see he's got a Johnson down there.
00:54:32.000You know, the most stable civilizations, I think, were from, the earliest work of art that I know of is this amazing picture, I'm sure you've seen it, of this goddess that made out of mammoth ivory.
00:54:49.000And it looks like Dolly Parton or something.
00:55:06.000So they were still having these figurines like the Venus of Willendorf and things like that tens of thousands of years later.
00:55:16.000Now there isn't a civilization on earth that was more stable than the goddess worshiping cultures.
00:55:21.000They were agricultural, they were stable, sustainable relationships with nature.
00:55:26.000Is it just that human beings get to a certain level of technological proficiency and then they just start to fuck each other up really easily and that's when things go awry?
00:55:35.000Well, I think that there was a remarkable breakthrough in human consciousness that led to a cerebral kind of fire of intelligence that led people to begin to write.
00:55:53.000And to write in such a way that they could commune with the gods.
00:55:59.000The earliest books were all religious texts.
00:56:02.000You know, 6,000 years ago, the Vedic hymns, the Rig Veda.
00:56:07.000And you know, that's got references to Soma, the most ancient of these psychedelic cultures.
00:56:16.000Better than Brahma, better than Indra.
00:56:17.000Exactly, and connects us with the immortality and the infinite.
00:56:23.000No one knows, by the way, what Soma was, correct?
00:56:27.000Now, a lot of different people have different conjectures.
00:56:31.000I have no idea, but it was clearly a kind of It's an entheogenic sacrament that allowed people access to the realm of the divine.
00:56:43.000One of the things that McKenna said, Terence McKenna said, that was so fascinating to me, and so when you really stop and think about the history of human culture and psychedelic usages, how could something that was so powerful, where they talked about it with great reverence in their scripts, how could that have gone away?
00:57:00.000How could people have forgotten what that is?
00:57:03.000Well, we're very distractible and we're not certain about the game that we're in.
00:57:14.000Is it an ego game or does love win the day?
00:57:21.000And can you find your own personal connection with the creative source?
00:57:33.000And if your life is an opportunity for your soul to read the tea leaves of your reality and See whether it's in alignment with your heart's purpose.
00:57:48.000I mean, that's one of the other great reasons that entheogens or sacraments or meditation or yoga and meditation or any of many different ways of accessing the imaginal realms.
00:58:18.000As a spiritual practice, I think it has much in common with prayer.
00:58:23.000If your artwork is in service of love and truth and goodness and beauty, and that would birth a new kind of sacred art, as well as the access,
00:58:39.000the now verifiable and repeatable access to the visionary dimensions provided by entheogens, which has happened in numerous cultures including the Greek culture, We have the foundation of Eastern civilization in the Vedic hymns mentioning a psychedelic.
00:58:59.000Then we look at the Greek tradition and the Eleusinian mysteries, also a 1,200-year-old religion and civilization.
00:59:16.000And all the philosophers that we're familiar with, Plato and Aristotle and Socrates, would have been initiates in the Eleusinian mysteries.
00:59:27.000And so these great thinkers that formed the foundation of Western civilization had all taken a psychedelic and enabled them to commune with the gods and with the ideals.
00:59:43.000That's why Socrates' whole platonic forms that he talks about, the ideal realms that he describes, are him clearly in contact with a visionary reality.
00:59:55.000One of the most famous tales about Socrates is he walking across this square like he did every day and he stopped.
01:00:01.000In the middle of the square he just started talking and arguing with this daemon, he called it, his daemon.
01:00:11.000And this was this visionary being that he communed with and had a day-long 24-hour exchange with in the middle of the public square What?
01:01:39.000Where it comes into question is when, obviously, when you're talking about really young people, you can't really have a mutual sort of agreement.
01:01:47.000You know, if you look at the ideals that Socrates spoke of, you know, of truth and goodness and beauty, and being in contact with the ideal realms where you commune with these, you know, angels, and you get communication from the highest.
01:03:40.000I think it's very hard for people to wrap their heads around that, especially if it comes to something as controversial as sex with young people.
01:03:49.000If you're an anthropological kind of fan...
01:03:55.000And you really look at different world cultures.
01:03:58.000Well, yes, you can see they've all got one head, two arms, two legs in general, and have two sexes, and come in a variety of colors and things.
01:04:12.000But there are many different cultural practices that work uniquely for each little niche of human civilization or culture.
01:04:52.000I went to Chichen Itza, and I had a really educated guide.
01:04:59.000It was a guy who was a local professor who took us around, and he talked more openly than I've ever heard anybody talk, because I didn't even ask him.
01:05:06.000He started talking about the psychedelic drug rituals that they would have, and where they would have them, and he explained.
01:07:51.000Well, you see, if you want to get the most out of an experience like that, a real opportunity to drop into Infinite Love, where you and God Become one.
01:08:06.000But, in Roland Griffith's study, it was those who actually were interested in contact with spiritual reality, who had an intention about it.
01:08:22.000Spiritually inclined people were the ones who were opened up 65% of the time.
01:08:30.000Now, each of them thought it was a positive experience.
01:08:33.000Not all of them got all the way to the mystical experience.
01:08:36.000But the mystical experience is something pretty well defined.
01:08:40.000And once a person actually has that experience, it's affirmative.
01:08:47.000It's so affirmative that you reorient your life to relate to it.
01:08:52.000And it may not change your outer appearance.
01:08:54.000Of your life, but it may empower it in some way with hope and, you know, new kind of creative dreams that, you know, where's your creative flow coming from?
01:09:05.000It's got to be, you know, connected with whatever you feel like your creative spirit is.
01:09:11.000You know, I have no problem with the word God, but a lot of people have.
01:09:15.000Trouble with that, but I think that it's a legitimate way of thinking of your relationship with a spiritual reality.
01:09:22.000Just to play devil's advocate, only so that we could answer the question, when you talk about these people that wanted to have this experience and then had the 65% of them, I mean, how much of what we're talking about is real?
01:09:37.000And when you go into it with good intentions to have some sort of a visionary experience, how much of it is your imagination?
01:09:45.000How much of it is your imagination acting with a hallucinogenic drug to produce this euphoric state that you think is visionary contact or some sort of spiritual contact?
01:09:55.000And how much of it could just be your imagination mixed with drugs?
01:10:00.000And this is what you were looking for, so your imagination created it for you.
01:10:03.000And I'm not saying that that is bad or good, because I have a feeling, as I get older, this makes more and more sense, even though it's harder and harder to talk about.
01:10:14.000I have a feeling that things are neither real nor not real.
01:10:19.000I have a feeling that the way we try to define things in such simple terms...
01:10:25.000I don't necessarily think that the imagination is not real.
01:10:30.000I think the imagination has some sort of weird impact.
01:10:34.000The mind and intention and the creativity has some sort of a weird impact on reality.
01:12:13.000My question was, when I said, does it weirdly define it, to use the word God?
01:12:19.000Because the word God, to a lot of people, does not mean that.
01:12:22.000To a lot of people, and probably most of the world, the word God means a deity who created the earth and did it with certain intentions and has rules that you have to follow or there will be repercussions.
01:12:33.000It's a completely different kind of God than what you're describing.
01:12:36.000Well, if one would give themselves the pleasure of being introduced to the various faces of God, you know, to expand their minds beyond any dogma.
01:12:53.000Don't really submit to the authority of any religious dogma until you've examined reality.
01:13:11.000So don't leave that out or discount it or anything like that.
01:13:16.000And so it has to have a sense of justice, all the rest of the things that religion has always had.
01:13:24.000And that's why if we enacted our creative spirits in the service of love, And that's what happens at Disneyland.
01:13:34.000You see that there's a lot of love in families.
01:13:38.000To come what may, and they yell at each other, and they don't get along, and they're bitter and whatnot, but maybe for a few hours they can suspend themselves and just delight in being together, having a visionary experience.
01:13:51.000It's a kind of a drop-down visionary experience that takes you outside of yourself.
01:13:59.000You lose your ego for a moment and join in a collective imaginal experience.
01:14:05.000And by the way, ladies and gentlemen, if you're playing the Joe Rogan Experience drinking game and you drink every time someone says the word experience today, you're dead.
01:15:26.000He was ignited with this voice of God and with this experience of this fire, not unlike Joseph Smith's fire, a fire which is a visionary fire.
01:15:37.000Do you know that Jerusalem scholars have recently started attributing that to a psychedelic experience?
01:16:35.000When you're talking about poor people in India, there can be no clearer example of an entheogen being a connection to God that you literally don't kill these animals that you could use for food.
01:17:45.000Branches on the evolutionary tree that we're in relationship with in this mighty evolutionary patchwork that is the mycelium of consciousness on the earth that runs through everybody.
01:17:57.000It is pretty fascinating in that we have, I mean, humans, for the most part, think of animals.
01:18:02.000You think of your dog, your cat, and then some shit that's in a cage somewhere that you can go stare at.
01:18:06.000Or something that you can watch on a DVD. But it really is fascinating when you stop and think about the vast majority of animals on this planet are not us.
01:19:17.000All creators need to really consider the ethical stand that they're taking in their culture and not just be like soldiers of fortune.
01:19:30.000If you're selling your soul that cheaply, you know, if you're not taking people to some kind of creative source and positive force, That is at the heart of their own creative spirit.
01:19:40.000If you're not trying to ignite and uplift people's souls, what are you doing?
01:21:09.000Well, it gives the human soul an escape for a short amount of time and gets them to think about how ridiculous something someone just said, even if it's really negative, how preposterous and ridiculous it is, especially done in the form of stand-up comedy.
01:21:24.000For me, I just enjoy it as an art form.
01:21:27.000I enjoy offensive comedy as an art form.
01:22:37.000That if you're trying to get a point across, you have to throw in.
01:22:40.000You really have to explain to people where you're coming from.
01:22:43.000But the beautiful thing about the podcast is, when I was younger, I always thought one day I would have a message as a comic.
01:22:51.000My comedy was so juvenile and ridiculous, and a lot of it was about sex and stupid shit.
01:22:57.000I was like, well, someday I'll evolve my comedy to the point where it's got a message.
01:23:03.000Because I admired certain comics that had that.
01:23:06.000But then, as I got older, and especially as I started doing the podcast, that became less and less interesting to me.
01:23:12.000I don't want to hear your point of view through stand-up.
01:23:15.000It's just the same way I don't want to hear a complex idea described through a song.
01:23:19.000I want you to tell me what you're really thinking and explain to me with all the words possible in the most descriptive and intricate and objective and subjective way possible.
01:23:31.000I want you to explain it to me with your own words.
01:23:46.000You should be laughing about this instead of feeling so serious about it.
01:23:50.000Not only that, I don't think it's good to enforce the idea that people should be so fucking sensitive when it comes to people communicating about them.
01:23:58.000I think there's far too many people that get butt hurt too easy in this country, in this world, in this universe.
01:24:04.000I think we have to be able to make fun of things and you have to be able to laugh at your own self.
01:24:09.000And when you say, oh, is it someone else's expense?
01:24:32.000It's important for them because if they're doing ridiculous behavior and you highlight that ridiculous behavior, it benefits them because now they get a chance to see that, oh, everybody thinks I'm a fucking dummy.
01:25:09.000It won't spontaneously make people laugh, because you've spoken a truth that no one will say, and it scares the crap out of people, you know, like when Bill Hicks would let loose on things, you know, it was like, oh my god, can he say that?
01:26:01.000But one of them was, I'm paraphrasing it, that you didn't always have to be funny, just be interesting.
01:26:08.000Sometimes you use the funny, you get the funny in there, and then you could tell them something that is entertaining for a brief moment, just not necessarily funny.
01:26:16.000It's a tricky thing to do in stand-up, especially and not be preachy.
01:29:02.000Just people still believe in love, and they feel it from their kids and things.
01:29:09.000Now that means love is a cosmic force.
01:29:12.000God or creator, whatever name you want to say, or just the Big Bang brought us, and if anybody looks at the amount of intelligence that it goes to create a cell, You know,
01:29:28.000Dr. Hoffman, Albert Hoffman, the discoverer of LSD, used to talk about, do you think it would be possible for the parts of a cathedral to be laid out on a football field and to assemble themselves into a cathedral?
01:29:45.000Now, you think of the unlikelihood of that, even given the, you know, like, infinite time.
01:29:52.000And you know that it takes intelligence to build a cathedral.
01:29:57.000And he said a self-reproducing cell is much more difficult to construct than a cathedral.
01:30:06.000And it is done in such a microscopic way that you have to A good scientist would simply infer that the intelligence that constructed the universe is at work in so many systems that we see around us.
01:30:28.000Even if part of your small mind is absorbed with the daily bullshit that comes floating by your screen and you get upset about it and you get hooked into your emotions and all that stuff, On the background reality, if you could just lean away from the bullshit and tap into the infinite that is always there...
01:30:51.000The divine creative spirit that really turns people on.
01:30:56.000That's the thing that people want to experience, the ecstasy of creation.
01:30:59.000And when you're even gardening or when you're cooking a new kind of soup or you're being creative, you're happier.
01:31:07.000You're not thinking about the thing that she said to you or the thing that he did or how terrible the world is or anything like that.
01:31:17.000You've transcended the chatter of the mind, you know, briefly, and entered a creative flow that is an intuitive flow that is just a plane of consciousness higher than most of the current Video screens that people are tapped into.
01:31:40.000So if you could just begin to lean away from that mental stuff and back into the creation that brought us here, then you'd see, like, wow, okay, things aren't really so fucked up, actually.
01:31:58.000Look at the magnificence of This intelligent evolution to a point where we have, even though we don't know what reality is, and this part of the imagination and consciousness, these are great mysteries.
01:32:28.000You're part of a wider intelligence that encircles the globe and that listens avidly for your independent advocacy for points of view that are very marginalized in society.
01:32:41.000society, it's an extremely important stand to take as a cultural hero to many that you will acknowledge certain things that are not popular but you feel it's important to say.
01:32:56.000So your work comes from a place of the heart and a place of justice and a place of kind of righteous understanding of the multiple dimensions that we all dwell within.
01:33:10.000My point of view comes from a person that feels that, like, how I know myself and my tendencies to get in bad patterns in my own life and how I've overcome that and how I've...
01:33:27.000Sort of molded my mind and changed the way I thought about just reality, my interactions with human beings, all these things.
01:33:34.000I know that I'm not unique in my ability to do that.
01:33:38.000I know that a lot of people have done that, can do that, and are doing that.
01:33:42.000And one of the things that's been the most positive benefit of this podcast for sure is running into so many people that have said that listening to these conversations and taking in these different points of view, these well-considered points of view, Have actually benefited their lives, changed their lives.
01:34:53.000So this gentleman who you quoted about the word religion, don't give it up to the fundamentalists, you feel the same way about the word God.
01:35:01.000It's like, don't give it to people that have a narrow definition of it.
01:35:24.000And so the real religion, the primary religious experience, is direct contact of self with God.
01:35:33.000Now that is still valid and important.
01:35:37.000The ability to let go and reach these strange realms of higher consciousness that are available with and without help from any sort of entheogens.
01:37:08.000And I never saw that in the classic hallucinogens that were psilocybin or even LSD or DMT. They're not really addictive in the kind of strict sense.
01:37:23.000So ketamine is one of those interesting new It's kind of like a catapult for your consciousness.
01:37:51.000It goes flinging out if you're laying down into What seems like a very rapid motion of your consciousness going very fast, even though you're laying down, over a texture, a kind of a vast texture.
01:38:07.000And we had these kind of openings into the void that were very profound and very heart-opening, in a way.
01:39:18.000That is high-tech shamanism that, you know, hey, I ventured into the coincidence control here that I'm not familiar with and I'm really freaking out.
01:39:29.000And so, I mean, he might have even had to, you know, pay a little something to his buddies who run the machines to get his friend back.
01:40:28.000Well, a lot of people believe that that is the number one problem with the world, is the...
01:40:32.000The repression of the divine feminine, absolutely.
01:40:36.000The fact that testosterone exists in an intelligent life form that is evolving past the actual form that we recognize matter in into a nuclear...
01:40:51.000If people are prophets, if people are prophets of something, he was a prophet of transformation and the use of all technology available for accessing the human biocomputer and coincidence control.
01:41:10.000He really believed in a spiritual reality, but it was completely informed by Eureka and all the rest of the systems that he was familiar with.
01:43:18.000Well, Rumi would be right next, of course.
01:43:21.000But Ibn Arabi was the most scholarly, and he called the imagination your angel.
01:43:27.000That is the place where God meets God.
01:43:33.000That is the visionary, mystical experience that runs through all world religions, and he details it, and there are celestial hierarchies that Plotinus describes in exactly the same way.
01:43:49.000They had a cross-cultural, although they were writing at different times, it wasn't dissemination, it was all direct knowledge.
01:43:58.000These were people that were getting it from the highest command, and it came through their unique lens of their language, and so they each had unique prayers to be in contact with this creative force.
01:44:14.000And he really did emphasize the sacredness of the divine feminine.
01:44:33.000You know, the goddess is the symbol of beauty, the symbol of love for humanity.
01:44:39.000And although it gets perverted and things like that, if you step back and just look at the flow of art history, you know, back from the 40,000 years ago to today, what is celebrated?
01:44:51.000The beauty of the divine feminine and worshipped, really.
01:44:59.000The creation of this sensory deprivation tank is the creation of something that allows you to take this practice of solitude and darkness to a completely new level and literally remove the body.
01:45:10.000Remove the body from the equation and Lily...
01:45:14.000Well, you're still aware of the smell and you're still aware, but it's much less.
01:45:19.000Not really, because all factory senses only detect change.
01:45:22.000As long as you don't fart in the tank, you're not aware of the smell.
01:45:24.000Because you won't be aware of anything.
01:45:26.000Your nose will stop receiving any changes in input.
01:45:30.000Well, it was created by this guy, Crash, from the Float Lab.
01:45:34.000The Float Lab is in Venice, and it's the best place in the country.
01:45:36.000He's a really mad scientist when it comes to it.
01:45:39.000The filtration systems that he uses are the highest standard, and he's pushing for an industry standard to try to get people to start taking these things seriously as far as how you can clean the water to make sure that you can use them commercially.
01:46:56.000It does wonders for me Especially after I do jujitsu classes and I'm exhausted and strained out it like it lengthens your body like your your your muscles and They contract and tighten up.
01:47:08.000And what I mean by lengthen is they relax and sort of extend.
01:47:49.000And they saw themselves as continuing to work John's obvious invention and move it forward also in a similar way that your friend is doing out there in Venice.
01:48:04.000That sounds like a great idea, though, to have just a really light blue so you can even open your eyes.
01:48:09.000The idea of doing it for a short-term relaxation thing, that would be very pleasant.
01:48:15.000It's extremely uplifting and probably the color has something to do with it.
01:48:20.000Like for professional pool, they found out that the color, a light blue, a light calming blue, like a blue sky, is like the best color for seeing objects around it as far as like seeing edges, the edges of the ball and things like that, the light blue.
01:48:36.000This is what really just appeals to the eye.
01:49:43.000I mean, what Crash is trying to do is get people to start coding documentaries and instructionals to it, because he thinks it'll speed up learning by a staggering amount.
01:49:56.000It's an immediate kinesthetic kind of taking it on a cellular level, informing your cells all over.
01:50:05.000And also, the retention is just far stronger and greater because of the fact there's no distractions while it's going on.
01:50:11.000Same as, in theory, this all needs to be tested.
01:50:14.000But I can tell you that as far as just your sheer horsepower, To me, there's never been anything like it in my life, other than psychedelic experiences, but I consider it a very psychedelic experience.
01:50:28.000It probably came to him in that state, and it was used to study that thing.
01:50:33.000That's how the shamans say, you know, like, the plants told us.
01:51:05.000People have to understand that silly behavior, yes, can be attributed to recreational drugs or recreational drug use.
01:51:11.000A, one, that's not what we're talking about.
01:51:14.000And B, just because someone is involved in something that other people are using recreational doesn't mean there's not some massive benefit to it that can be discussed by scientists on a really scholarly level.
01:51:28.000Or that can truly benefit humanity by...
01:51:31.000Harnessing a substance that may help people access their expanded states of awareness.
01:51:39.000Now that is what Dr. Hoffman wanted, and I quote him at length.
01:51:43.000On his 101st birthday, he wrote the most remarkable thing about the promise of the entheogenic sacraments.
01:51:54.000And about how he hoped, because he always felt tremendously guilty for anyone who had taken a wrong turn or it had catalyzed their predisposition to a psychotic state.
01:52:12.000Borderline personality should avoid it entirely.
01:52:15.000People who have a history of mental illness, you know, without professional use, they should avoid these things for sure.
01:52:48.000You know, and then five years later, you know, in April, he starts to hear a voice that asks him to re-synthesize this particular molecule.
01:53:00.000Now, he synthesizes thousands and thousands of molecules, but he said never before had he heard that voice calling him to do a particular thing, so he did it.
01:56:00.000It's a synchronicity that's just interesting.
01:56:02.000You know, something I've been noticing, and I can't explain it at all, but it's just one of those mystery things, like you were saying, like, in your dream you see these various things, you know, they're saying something.
01:56:14.000It's almost like God is a punster, you know, and putting visual rebuses, this is a visual language, you know, in front of us.
01:56:23.000Have you ever looked into all this stuff that's going on right now in physics where all these different scientists are proposing the idea that we're living inside of a simulation?
01:56:36.000And it's becoming more and more prominent.
01:56:38.000Today I got a new thing, technologyreview.com, a new thing, published by MIT. This was sent to me through Twitter.
01:56:46.000So, of course, I had to investigate it because I'm inundated by this shit literally every day.
01:56:51.000There's some new study or some new proposal about the world being some sort of the universe, the reality being some sort of a simulation.
01:57:01.000When you see shit like number 420 coming up over and over again, 419 and 420, do you ever stop and go, well, maybe that's just the way it was written?
01:59:42.000This archaic notion that all of your actions, all of your deeds, and all of our thoughts and feelings aren't all connected in some sort of a strange way, that we need to recognize, address, and we need to move forward with that as an ideal, that we are all connected.
02:00:04.000It's not happening with the Federal Reserve or whoever the fuck is in charge of sending us to Afghanistan or whoever wants us to put, you know...
02:01:34.000And Afghanistan the same way, that there was a need to sell weaponry and to spend money on these, you know, These mercenaries in order to satisfy a certain hunger.
02:01:51.000And this hunger is the shadow, is the Set, Setian energy that dwells in the desert.
02:02:03.000What we need to become is a solar-powered humanity.
02:02:09.000We are still struggling with Set and Horus who fought an epic battle thousands of years ago in the deserts of Egypt and continue it today.
02:02:20.000The soul of humanity has to go toward the light and find new energy means.
02:02:26.000To bring us out of our dependence, our addictions, to the destructive web of this kind of oilgarchy that we're enmeshed in.
02:02:39.000So it's your opinion that September 11th was some sort of a false flag event, and it wasn't just incompetence or an attack that was capitalized on by people with nefarious ideas, that it was instead planned?
02:02:57.000I entertain that possibility and I think that the entire affair needs to be examined.
02:03:03.000Why I was setting that up and the controversial elements that many scientists bring up.
02:03:10.000Not, you know, like artists, you know, but people...
02:04:14.000He has no relationship to that fellow, and just happened to have the same name.
02:04:25.000His entire body of work was destroyed practically when the plane hit the Twin Towers.
02:04:34.000And so a couple months later, some of his friends discover in this museum in South Carolina that they have one of his pieces once been discovered.
02:06:16.000The most famous hit from that album was Sabotage.
02:06:23.000I tell you now, y'all, it was sabotage.
02:06:26.000And so there are numerous things planted into the collective consciousness, you could say.
02:06:35.000But then the comic book of Superman that came out September 12th, actually, had the Twin Towers surrounded in smoke and helicopters were around them.
02:06:47.000The first panel, panel one, There was a hip-hop group, everybody remembers this thing, was released that week after 9-11.
02:06:55.000There was this hip-hop group, The Coup, who had two members there, and they were with kind of like plungers, and in back of them, the Twin Towers exploding.
02:07:08.000They were prevented from releasing it because it was September 12th.
02:07:12.000They said, oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, no, no, no, no, no.
02:07:15.000But September 11th in Boston was released live from New York, this particular place, this band in Boston, and it had the Twin Towers surrounded in flame.
02:07:29.000So, you think that these people who are creating this art, that are envisioning these images, that they're pulling this from some sort of...
02:07:45.000Remember that moment when they all go into the artist's room where they're, oh, this one drew it, and that one sculpted it, and that one...
02:07:53.000You know, like, they all got blazed with something.
02:09:41.000that was what they fabricated and were to release that week, but were prevented by every good sense, you know, to say, good grief, we cannot be doing this.
02:09:52.000I didn't mean is that the real image of 9-11.
02:09:53.000I meant is that the real image from their CD cover.
02:10:24.000We want to look at our highest potential, not look at the destructive.
02:10:29.000We want to take that power of art And plant seeds of liberation in the minds of people, not this kind of negative world of self-destructive, nihilist culture and behavior.
02:10:42.000My point of view or what I was trying to get at was when you go into this sort of a definition of things, it's a very fantastical and amazing sort of a concept that there is some sort of frequency that we're tuning into and we're getting warnings from future events that will have a big ripple in time.
02:11:04.000How is this normally received when you talk to people?
02:11:27.000You know, I knew I'd painted some, oh, this is the dark possibility of humanity, and this is the light, this is the nature, you know, and this is what we have to...
02:11:36.000And here's Al Gore with some basket of fruits and things.
02:13:14.000When you think about these ideas and these blips and these signals and whatever it is that you tune into when you become creative, when you think about the impact that the work that comes out of it has on people, what do you think ultimately we're doing here as humans?
02:13:51.000The waking up is happening a lot through the interconnectedness of the web of technology.
02:13:59.000Technology had to happen after an industrial period.
02:14:03.000All of it has been an evolving intelligence that is finally beginning to see its cosmic origins in the story of the universe that we've been discovering and the Hubble telescope that shows us the vastness of space and the understanding of dark energy now that connects everything, the clusters of galaxies that had to exist The earth is a rare...
02:14:42.000You know the alembic that goes around the sort of...
02:14:49.000Whatever the alchemist puts into his retort or into his flask...
02:14:56.000This flask then is heated, and it has a special temperature that brings the interior to transformation, and it goes through a lot of different stages.
02:15:09.000But I think of the Earth and its surrounding geomagnetic field.
02:15:20.000Now you look at the Mars and it no longer has a magnetic field around it and so everything has died.
02:15:29.000And so this magnetic field that surrounds the Earth is our protection from the solar flares and the solar heat of the Sun and gives that beautiful kind of aurora That happens.
02:15:41.000And so just at this particular orbit where we're in relationship with our guru, the Sun, and we have this attraction, you know, but what is attraction?
02:15:53.000It's the bending of space-time, and you're at a particular circulation, but that circulation has the alembic of the geomagnetic field around it, thus what the experiment of life can unfold.
02:16:07.000It takes billions and billions of years to grow an intelligence that can start to recognize its own source.
02:16:52.000How do you think this is all going to play out?
02:16:55.000I mean, obviously you believe that expressing yourself with love and using art and finding creativity elevates the human experience, as do I. I think there's something incredible about it.
02:17:07.000Seeing great art in any form, whether it's great music, great paintings, whatever it is, or something about seeing someone really tap into whatever it is that is going on when you're being creative, whatever it is when you're really accessing the imagination, that elevates us.
02:17:26.000You see that as an integral part of this experience of This transformative experience that human beings are going through, but where do you see it going?
02:17:35.000Awakening to our own creative spirit, our own unique lens into the infinite one that we all are and reflections of.
02:17:47.000Ultimately, humanity has a great future.
02:17:52.000If you look at the evolutionary bell curve of what's possible for human consciousness and love, Oh.
02:18:01.000And how primitive it still seems that humanity is in terms of their ability to love one another.
02:18:09.000We've had great teachers from all over the world teach us the same thing.
02:18:16.000The wisdom masters say repeatedly to love each other and not to kill each other.
02:18:24.000It's something that is so simple and so true and so beautiful.
02:18:30.000This is the affirmation of the intelligence that built our cells.
02:18:35.000We have to tap into the You know, we recently had the guest Paul Stamets visit COSM a couple weeks ago at our summer.
02:18:45.000For folks who don't know COSM, what you're referring to is the Chapel of Sacred Mirrors in New York?
02:18:51.000At the Chapel of Sacred Mirrors in Wappinger, actually, we had the great eco-mycologist Paul Stamets Who's written extensively about the power of fungus.
02:19:08.000He's one of the world's experts in medicinal and just the power of these things.
02:19:22.000The oyster mushrooms and things like that have been used to draw hydrocarbons.
02:19:28.000Out of water that's been polluted with them.
02:19:32.000In Chernobyl, in the 30 mile radius around Chernobyl, there are funguses growing, mushrooms growing that are hot.
02:19:41.000They're radiation filled because the mycelium that they fruit from has been drawing all of the radiation from the soil in order for life to come back to the forest.
02:19:56.000They're the deepest, oldest plant on Earth.
02:20:00.000And human beings themselves diverged from the fungus over 650 million years ago.
02:20:06.000So we have this connection, this web of connectedness, and obviously a connection with the intelligence of the mushroom.
02:20:15.000And And Paul, far from being a Terence sort of endorsing of the, you know, exogenous kind of fertilization of the earth with the spore, he believes it was homegrown.
02:20:36.000So I love that kind of can-do Earth-based consciousness that evolved in this Alembic.
02:20:43.000For those who don't understand what you meant by that, what you meant for the story is that McKenna believes that it's possible that mushrooms came from the vacuum of space.
02:20:56.000The theory of panspermia, which is we know amino acids and certain things are transferred and there are asteroids here from other planets that have landed meteorites.
02:21:14.000The human, or the great chain of being and great chain of evolution that was impacted on the earth, certainly there's a belief that the meteorite basically ended the The era of the dinosaurs and these little rat-like things that were our ancestors were able to become more dominant as a species and evolve due to the territorial kind of disputes being over with these large
02:21:51.000But, you know, we have big brother Jupiter out there watching our back and is taking the heat.
02:21:57.000You know, he's the bouncer of the whole cosmos or our little solar system.
02:22:03.000And so only at a certain level, surrounded by a living kind of alembic, And shielded by a particular kind of planetary brother, was life of this kind even possible?
02:22:20.000Think of how many billions of galaxies it might take.
02:22:24.000We might, well, we certainly are probably the only, you know, Earth planetary consciousness in the universe, obviously.
02:23:45.000Well, you know, my experience with Allison, just to inform that one, our first kind of breakthrough Psychedelic experience that changed both of our works.
02:24:00.000It happened about a year after we first met, like our first anniversary, June 3rd, say, 1976. And we both melted down into these kind of toroidal fountains and drains of light.
02:24:18.000And every other being and thing in the universe was one of these balls of light.
02:24:30.000And this thing felt much more alive and real than our kind of material world reality.
02:24:39.000It felt like this is what's really going on.
02:24:41.000It's eternally and infinitely light, and we are projecting our kind of souls into experiences to have enriching educational opportunities and try to wake up.
02:24:59.000God sent us here to wake up to God, you know, to the core of our being, to our God self.
02:25:05.000That's why this painting that's on the cover of the Net of Being is called God Self, because It's a symbol of our interconnectedness with all other God selves.
02:25:15.000Every other being and thing in the network has access to this great, vast intelligence of the cosmos.
02:25:23.000There's no other reason that we could be here.
02:25:26.000When you believe that and think that and then see what's going on like with everybody saber-rattling about going to war with Iran, how does that make you feel?
02:25:37.000I feel very sad, you know, because really it's about break out the peace, monkeys.
02:25:44.000You know, don't destroy each other and don't poison the web that sustains you.
02:25:57.000And by toxifying both the consciousness of humanity by, you know, entraining people's minds with limiting self-images instead of accessing Our unity as a human species and expand beyond that.
02:26:16.000If you can feel, even though you may hate your neighbor, you know, you may have a gripe here or there, but ultimately you connected with loved ones.
02:26:42.000Because it took a solar battery like our sun to give birth to a planet Earth, and it took the evolutionary train billions of years to get here to a point where a consciousness, a brain, was capable of having the experience of love, which was the common source of everyone.
02:27:26.000Why is it more impossible, as the Occupy folks said, to imagine the end of capitalism Why is it more easy to imagine the apocalypse than the end of capitalism?
02:27:42.000You think that capitalism is the big problem, and it's not just putting money above morals?
02:27:54.000Is it possible, though, to have a God-centered consciousness and produce all the shit that we produce, to make all the laptops we make, to make all the cars we make?
02:28:01.000You know what Stephen Jobs was into, my friend.
02:28:59.000Because he, by threat of death, said such and so.
02:29:02.000Now you could say, oh, now somebody's just trying to hijack that breakthrough of the imagination.
02:29:10.000But then you go back to when it happened.
02:29:13.000And you realize that actually he was a psychedelic advocate and he had He, like many of his scientist friends, experimented with these substances which were supposed to catalyze the creative imagination.
02:29:28.000So he had read the papers, and he had access to these things.
02:29:36.000In fact, the First Life magazine stuff about psychedelics was extremely positive.
02:29:42.000If there was no stigma about it, then why didn't he come out and say it initially?
02:29:46.000Oh, because by the time that it was a, yeah, you would think, you would think, but he might not want to sully his breakthrough by putting anything between the breakthrough insight and the, you know, then what are you talking about?
02:30:42.000I think I probably used the wrong word.
02:30:43.000But that is an aggressive stance that the male species has promoted because it's very self-serving.
02:30:57.000And I think that part of what we're doing at this point as evolving human beings is trying to create a new model of possibility for humanity in a realm of sometimes, for some people, diminishing expectations.
02:31:19.000So Paul Stamets' point of view of how mushrooms can save the world And how mycelium is actually a network of intelligence that connects us with the plant realm and that we can take advantage of by tapping into the nervous system that humanity diverged from over 650 million years ago.
02:31:41.000Now that's tapping into cosmic intelligence.
02:31:44.000Do you follow McKenna's stoned ape theory?
02:31:47.000Do you feel like that's the way human beings are created?
02:31:48.000A lot of people, and even responsible anthropologists, think that there's something to it.
02:31:55.000Because they certainly would have encountered the psilocybin mushrooms.
02:31:58.000And who can say that it didn't play a part in catalyzing the growth of human consciousness?
02:32:05.000Now, both Leary and Lilly's ideas was that these substances could advance in the evolution of human consciousness.
02:32:15.000Now, you look at the Unio de Vegetal, which is the first psychedelic church for white people, I guess, in the United States.
02:32:25.000And part of the mission of the UDV, which is a church that originated in Brazil, you know, the heart of the Amazon, from the green mantle of the earth, the green emerald, comes these great wisdom traditions that are spreading throughout the world with ayahuasca.
02:32:41.000And people are waking up to the mind of nature.
02:32:45.000Through these plant sacraments that have been used for centuries, for, you know, thousands of years, actually.
02:32:52.000And more and more anthropologists are saying, well, they were seeing visions in the place.
02:32:58.000We know that the bog people used to smoke cannabis, and cannabis has been humanity's friend for a long time.
02:33:06.000Now, a neuroscientist, just to, and I'll hand the floor over, A neuroscientist quoted in Scientific American said, most neuroscientists would agree that everything that we experience is a figment of our imagination.
02:33:26.000Most neuroscientists would agree with this?
02:33:31.000She might be, but she had an entire issue of Scientific American Optical Illusions that it's a yearly publication.
02:33:40.000And so she argues for this idea of the plasticity of the mind.
02:33:45.000And when you take these dimensional shifts, you know, like you're changing the radio station with your kind of dimensional shifting that some psychonauts are able to do, you're tapping into different wavelengths.
02:34:42.000But the reality is that every physical thing, including this building that we're in, including this chair that you're sitting in, The microphone that you're talking through.
02:34:51.000All of it was created through the imagination.
02:34:56.000It was thought up through the imagination.
02:34:59.000Then it manifested itself in a physical form.
02:35:03.000And we've become basically numb to the spectacle of the creation that has unfolded before us.
02:35:10.000And if we could remove our blinders and notice the awesomeness and lean away from the jibber-jabber, We could be more at peace and maybe recognize that the same beautiful, true and good stuff that flows through your heart is flowing through mine.
02:35:29.000Well, if it is possible, I believe that conversations like this are what move the consciousness of the people who listen to this and the people who consider these thoughts.
02:35:39.000And the things that you've said, it does move things in a better direction.
02:35:43.000It moves it in a better direction for those people that are listening.
02:35:45.000And I think if there's any one way we really can change this world, it's to change the way people who are open-minded view it.
02:35:52.000If you're open and you introduce a positive new idea into someone's mind, That can change them and benefit them in a positive way.
02:36:01.000So if you really want to change the world, you already just did it.
02:36:03.000You just did it with this conversation.
02:37:23.000So the honoring of the divine feminine is really at the center of my life, and she turned my life around with her love.
02:37:32.000And so that kind of love and the creative evolutionary Spirit that goes through everybody is kind of what we celebrate at COSM. And so people do a lot of creative...
02:37:54.000Visionary artists are providing cultural alternatives, where like-minded people, we call them the love tribe, because you find them all over the world, who've awakened to something beyond the stressful They're politically charged national boundaries and they're global citizens.
02:38:15.000They are tapped into the world-centric intelligence that could help lead us to a planetary civilization.
02:38:23.000And they, by the way, probably didn't exist 50 years ago.
02:39:53.000Give it a shot, but there's a million books on there.
02:39:55.000I mean, I don't know how many there are, but it's an incredible amount of interesting books on CD, or on audio rather, an mp3 form that you can listen to pretty much anywhere, and it just makes commutes, and it makes otherwise meaningless time.
02:40:10.000It makes it educational and inspirational, and it's a An awesome website.
02:40:31.000The way it works is if your money, if you don't use all your minutes, you're actually credited for the next month.
02:40:37.000You actually, they drop your bill down and you're credited.
02:40:40.000It's a It's a beautiful company, and they use the Sprint Backbone, so it's excellent service.
02:40:46.000It's a great line of phones that they use, mostly Android phones, but they also have some, if you're one of those old-school dudes resisting change into flip phones, they even have those things.
02:41:59.000So any of the psychotic kitty cat shirts that Brian has produced, they are original Brian Red Band works of art as well, by the way, ladies and gentlemen.
02:42:07.000You can get them at deskquad.tv and also be informed as to when tickets are available for shows that Brian may be doing with other folks that are involved in what is called The Desk Squad, including the End of the World show with Honey Honey, Joey Diaz, Doug Stanhope, and myself at the Wiltern.
02:42:27.000December 21st, 2012. The tickets are available right now.
02:42:31.000No, there's not going to be any end of the world, folks.
02:42:34.000And if you go to twitter.com forward slash Joe Rogan and search through my timeline, you can see that there's pre-sale for today and tomorrow, and the password is tickets.