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00:01:24.000Yeah, they're getting a super storm Wednesday that supposedly it's going to have winds up to 65 miles per hour that's just going to hit New York again.
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00:09:14.000It's not eliminate all this shit from your diet, but if you have a diet that is rich in nutrients, especially phytonutrients, plant nutrients, strong stuff like kale and spinach, it's just better for your fucking life, man.
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00:11:43.000You don't realize that there's actually toxic mold in a large percentage of the coffee that's sold in America.
00:11:49.000Dave Asprey is a fucking brilliant guy, and having him on the podcast was so eye-opening when it came to how food is stored, mold and funguses that can grow on food, how important it is to avoid that, how much mold and fungus grows on corn.
00:13:39.000Through Graham Hancock, who I'm sure you're familiar with his work, the Fingerprints of the Gods.
00:13:45.000Before that, I had no idea that there were so many mysteries in terms of how ancient structures were constructed, who the people were that actually designed them and built them.
00:13:57.000It's an amazing part of the history of the human race that really doesn't get enough attention, in my opinion.
00:14:34.000Is it because of the fact that the information wasn't available when the people who are professors right now were teaching, and they've been teaching for 20 and 30 years, some of them, and they don't want to rewrite what they've already taught?
00:15:42.000There was no evidence whatsoever that he had made fraudulent claims about the artifacts which he'd found.
00:15:48.000But ever since the 1920s, according to the free rules of academics, this is a complete thing which they don't have to look into anymore because they have labeled it a fraud.
00:15:58.000Wow, so you think there was a conspiracy to label it a fraud and him a fraud just so that they didn't have to address it?
00:16:08.000Isn't it weird that academics are supposed to be the leading lights of thought?
00:16:13.000They're supposed to be the people that are at the forefront of knowledge, but for the most part they are.
00:16:19.000For the most part they are, but there are exceptions and there are issues.
00:16:23.000The Egyptologist, that guy who was arguing with Robert Shock and Graham Hancock in that famous video, where they're dealing with this obvious water erosion on these stones, and all these geologists are saying,
00:16:40.000like, you've got a problem here, because this was cut at like 9,000 plus BC. There's no other way around it.
00:16:47.000If you look at climate change, you look at that it had to be thousands of years of rainfall to create these erosions, and the way he reacted was so egotistical and non-scientific.
00:16:59.000He was laughing, like, what evidence of this civilization from 10,000 years ago do you have?
00:17:06.000And it was so infuriating to see a guy who's supposed to be the man out there at the forefront of knowledge when it comes to this particular subject.
00:17:14.000He's a guy who's a professor at a university, a highly respected one, and here he is.
00:17:20.000He's carrying the flag for knowledge in this particular subject.
00:17:23.000And if he could see how gross it looked to watch that reaction, like, why don't you tell me what the fuck you think would be around from 10,500 years ago, dude?
00:17:33.000Because I don't think it's going to be much.
00:18:05.000You're talking about 8,000 years before that?
00:18:07.000You're supposed to know or have any evidence whatsoever other than giant stones?
00:18:13.000What the fuck do you think would be left, right?
00:18:15.000Yeah, I mean, the great Dr. Zai Hawass, and just to kind of come back on the conspiracy angle there, he, in the 1980s, had actually found evidence that the pyramid, the Great Pyramid of Giza, carbon dating results were in, uncontested, 800 years older.
00:18:39.000And they don't want to do it, so what do they do?
00:18:42.000For the last 30 years, they haven't published these findings, because for them to play the game...
00:18:47.000It has to be published in a peer-reviewed scientific journal.
00:18:50.000And so by not publishing this, they can pretend these carbon dating results don't exist, and they can pretend that everything is fine, that the Great Pyramid is built in 2400 BC. They set the rules, they play the game, and then they shout at everybody else, as you're pointing out when, you know, Robert Schock and everybody else comes to the Sphinx and say,
00:19:09.000It's clear that there's ego involved, which is very, very disturbing when it comes to knowledge, when it comes to something that is obviously a work in progress.
00:19:19.000The uncovering of ancient civilizations is clearly a work in progress.
00:19:24.000So to be arrogant about what the results are just based on the fact that you've taught these to students for so many years and you don't want to admit that you were wrong when you're talking about the time, the construction, the Sphinx, whatever it is that it is that starts getting controversial.
00:19:42.000There's a weird thing where you see their ego flare up and it's so gross!
00:20:18.000So then we have to figure, what the fuck happened that we had this incredible sophistication at 10,000 BC, and then there's obviously been some declines here and there.
00:20:32.000There's a really obvious system if you if you really pay attention like Gobekli Tepe or all these really 14,000 plus BC things it's like this isn't like a linear graph it doesn't like go straight up there's like probably some fairly sophisticated cultures wiped out fairly sophisticated wiped out and other places just like today you can go to Africa today and there's a lot of people that if you you didn't if Western civilization didn't go in there and give them things.
00:21:21.000I suspect that there's been some super duper sophisticated cultures where for whatever reason these people were ever able to figure out how to use agriculture earlier, figure out how to use societies, figure out how to be calm enough to start breaking things down and thinking it through and trying to figure out how to improve things.
00:21:42.000And then it's this exponential process in these groups.
00:21:45.000And some of them get better at it than others.
00:21:47.000And it seems to be like, who wasn't attacked by hordes of barbarians?
00:21:51.000Those dudes seem to figure out how to get it.
00:21:54.000All you need is a couple of decades to get ahead.
00:21:57.000If you look at what we've accomplished in 100 years, it's really a staggering thing.
00:22:03.000That's the most staggering thing about whether it's Baalbek, the stones in Lebanon, or Egypt, or anything.
00:22:10.000The most staggering thing is how far we've come in 100 years.
00:22:14.000And to think that this shit was all going on thousands and thousands and thousands of years ago.
00:22:20.000Those numbers are just bullshit to us.
00:22:22.000You start telling someone 7,000 years ago, it's like blah blah.
00:22:26.000I hear noise coming out of your mouth.
00:22:31.000But I think it's the problem because the way history is thought, and it is like, you know, for 30,000 years we sat on our butt, then we stood up and we scramble around for some food, and then all of a sudden in 4000 BC somebody finds a light switch, and all of a sudden it's civilization.
00:22:45.000That's the standard view, and it doesn't work like that.
00:22:48.000And then when you confront them with things like Gobekli Tepe or Cattle Ewok or anything like that, they'll say, Well, you know, they were very close.
00:22:56.000They're like a few thousand people in a city somewhere who were doing this, but it was all isolated.
00:23:29.000They know for sure about how this was.
00:23:32.000We were sitting on our butts for thousands of years, then we scrambled around a bit, and then all of a sudden in 4000 BC we finally see the light and here we are.
00:23:39.000And it is very much like an evolution of mankind taken to the absolute extreme.
00:23:46.000It's a weird sort of cognitive denial.
00:24:59.000So comes Inspector, junior lawyer, who basically gets to solve this problem, and he comes up with a single bullet theory, which basically says a shot goes into the back of Kennedy, somehow travels up, goes down, jumps up again to go into Connolly's back, kind of like keeps traveling up a bit,
00:25:15.000goes down again into his wrist, and then up again.
00:25:18.000And he calls it, you know, the magic bullet theory.
00:25:20.000And when he goes public with this, he basically says, like, I don't expect anybody to leave this shit.
00:25:26.000This is going to be contested in a year, five years, a hundred years from now.
00:25:44.000It's like, you're almost, it's almost unexcusable to believe it.
00:25:51.000It was invented because of the guy in the underpass who got hit with a ricochet.
00:25:54.000They had to attribute—that was another reason for it—they had to attribute a bullet to this one guy hitting a curb, and it ricocheted him, and he had to go to the hospital.
00:26:03.000So they knew that one of the bullets missed, and one of the bullets hit this curb.
00:26:07.000And the bullet they found was in the gurney of Governor Connolly when they brought him— To the hospital.
00:26:16.000So the idea is that this fucking bullet came out of this dude's body in like perfect form.
00:26:21.000It was just laying around there and no one ever noticed it.
00:26:23.000Like he got shot and it was like in his pocket or something.
00:26:26.000It went through his body and landed in his pocket and then fell out Conveniently, right where they were looking around to see if there's any evidence.
00:26:35.000We found the bullet that did all the damage.
00:26:37.000It looks to me, when I watch the Zapruder film, I've never heard anybody say this, but there's a scene, part of it where it does look like, I mean, his head definitely goes back and to the left, but the spray looks like it's going forward.
00:26:53.000I wonder if he was hit more than once by different snipers at the same time.
00:27:00.000I mean, I wonder how many actual shots went into his body.
00:27:04.000Because they know that there was the one that went through the front that they tried to disguise as a tracheotomy.
00:27:10.000They know there was definitely an entry wound in the neck, and that's when he grabs his neck.
00:27:14.000Just that alone, the fact that that was deceptively labeled as a tracheotomy hole, why would you do that?
00:27:20.000The only reason is because you don't want to show an entry wound in the front of his neck.
00:27:24.000An entry wound looks so much different than an exit wound.
00:28:27.000Just the reality of people is so crazy.
00:28:30.000I don't know why anybody would argue any ridiculous proposition about aliens or the possibility of life that we haven't discovered on other planets.
00:28:42.000Just think about how fucking weird we are.
00:28:45.000The fact that we even exist is so mind-blowing and exists in this form.
00:28:51.000For sure, there could be UFOs around us all the time that we can't see because they know how to hide.
00:28:58.000There could be easily some way where you just are completely invisible.
00:29:03.000It doesn't seem outside the realm of possibility that they could deceive us.
00:29:08.000That they could figure out a way to be a tree, you know?
00:29:39.000What if Chinese people are more alien than human, and when the Nibiru people came, when the Anunnaki came, they just added a little more alien, a little more chimp to my people, the Italians, to give them a little more chimp?
00:29:57.000Well, what about if they were the wind?
00:30:00.000Well, I mean, Paul Davis is a guy who's an astrobiologist from University of Phoenix, and he's basically writing a paper on non-material technology, which he basically kind of goes like, I'm going to talk about this, but I have no idea what I'm talking about because it's so out there.
00:30:15.000But he's basically saying that alien beings, if they were to come here or if they came here, their technology might actually not be physically real.
00:30:23.000That it might be something kind of like, you know, some kind of energy cloud in front of them, which they can direct with thought and can do stuff with that.
00:30:31.000And you kind of think like, well, we're almost there.
00:30:33.000Because a few days ago there was some headline whereby, I think in Japan...
00:30:40.000Where they somehow have been able to map if somebody's thinking about, I think it was a tomato or something like that, the computer could pick up the pattern that this guy was thinking about tomatoes.
00:30:50.000So we are rapidly moving in directions of really being able to pick up what we're thinking and computer technology being able to identify what we're thinking.
00:31:00.000Yeah, and who knows whether they're going to be able to enable consciousness to exist inside of computers or consciousness to exist inside of a signal.
00:31:10.000If they can get consciousness to exist inside of a computer, think about how much energy and how much information is distributed just through wireless internet.
00:31:18.000Just flying around all around you constantly as fucking videos and ones and zeros.
00:31:24.000Who knows if one day they'll be able to do that with consciousness.
00:31:29.000Broadcast consciousness like a Wi-Fi signal so that you essentially are everywhere all the time if you choose to be.
00:31:38.000So the aliens are here without even physically being here.
00:31:40.000Yeah, well you said that aliens were wind and that Wi-Fi is in the air so the internet is aliens.
00:31:46.000Dude, what if the hurricane's an alien?
00:31:58.000You're just messing this whole thing up.
00:32:02.000When you tell people that you're on that show, Agent Aliens, isn't that like automatically one of those things where they go, oh, okay, you believe in aliens?
00:32:25.000You know, it's got phenomenal ratings and it's got an attraction from 5 to 95. And all of a sudden, and I think this is largely due to the format of the show as well, really people are into this.
00:32:37.000People are beginning to question things.
00:32:38.000I get feedback from university professors and specifically high school teachers.
00:32:45.000And the high school teachers are saying, you know, We used to say something like, very dogmatically, something like, let's say water is liquid.
00:32:52.000They can still get away with that, but some of the other claims they're making, students are now challenging.
00:32:58.000They're saying, well, where did he get that from?
00:32:59.000And before, there was this acceptance of, oh yeah, the teacher says so, so we have to accept whatever this knowledgeable person says, and we will just write it down.
00:33:09.000And all of a sudden, high school teachers, even university students, are basically...
00:33:15.000Saying, no, we're not going to do that.
00:33:17.000We're going to ask where this came from.
00:33:52.000You don't really have to have any sort of formal education, and you could educate yourself just by reading the internet.
00:33:58.000You literally, any subject, you could find forums where virtually any topic that you wish to engage in and want to figure things out about could be discussed.
00:36:27.000Yeah, I think for whatever reason, I think people are barely able to handle this reality, you know, for whatever reason.
00:36:37.000Whether it's they're not living the life they want to live, they're not around too many people that think a lot, they don't have much education, they don't have a strong mind, they have a lot of phobias, they have addictions to substances, whatever the fuck it is.
00:36:50.000There's a lot of people that are barely hanging on to this life as is.
00:37:03.000And so many adults need to do that as well.
00:37:06.000And once that framework is in place, and I think this is tying it back to, like, the academic professors, it's really hard to break out of that.
00:37:13.000And it's like, you know, whether it is things like hallucinogenic substances, whether it is things like near-death experiences, life after death, all of these things, aliens, lost civilizations, they all somehow are pushing this cardboard thing of the framework,
00:37:29.000saying, help, we need to get through, because there's something outside of this framework.
00:37:37.000Yeah, the Ancient Aliens one is one where I've had the conversation with people where I sort of described the Zechariah Sitchin thing, the Sitchin scenario, what could have happened, and they look at you like they're trying to find a way to get away.
00:37:53.000They look at you like, what the fuck kind of stupid conversation am I locked in with this idiot?
00:37:59.000If you've never read any of Zacharias Hitchin's stuff, I'll just summarize it very quickly.
00:38:03.000Hitchin believes that we were engineered by these alien beings and that it's all in the ancient Sumerian text.
00:38:10.000His translations of it are all that these people came down and did genetic experiments on human beings and created us to mine for gold, which is really a trip.
00:38:19.000It's really a mindfuck when you start thinking about how gold has always been valuable.
00:38:36.000The Zachariah Sitchin scenario is that they, these aliens, had ruined their environment and they needed gold dust to suspend their atmosphere to protect them from the radiation.
00:38:48.000Well, what's really fucked up is scientists didn't figure that, like when they were started to discuss possible climate change, erosion of the ozone layer, what would they do to protect the United States if we lost all of our ozone, our atmosphere?
00:39:02.000And the number one solution was to suspend Reflective particles in the atmosphere.
00:39:09.000And so Sitchin had actually translated this in the 70s.
00:39:13.000This is like far before scientists had even proposed that.
00:39:27.000I'm not smart enough to know about the environment and the climate change and how much they knew about the ozone layer back in the 1970s, but...
00:39:37.000Well, he was a very controversial man.
00:39:40.000He was very adamant and set in his ways.
00:39:44.000He wasn't a warm character, but he definitely was an interesting character.
00:39:49.000Towards the end of his life, together with Inner Traditions, his publisher, he began to push for the DNA analysis.
00:39:55.000He wanted to do some DNA testing, and unfortunately, he died before Any of that could have happened, but it would have been interesting to see where he was going to take it, because he really was pushing his reputation and his legacy on the line there, and again, it didn't happen because he died.
00:40:13.000The DNA evidence he was trying to find was that we were genetically manipulated and created.
00:40:18.000The idea is that that's why we're so different from every other monkey that's here.
00:40:21.000I mean, it's so clear that we're different.
00:40:23.000We're so much different than all the rest of them.
00:40:26.000And people are like, well, we are apes.
00:41:27.000If we really found out conclusively that there was some sort of genetic manipulation by some sort of an outside force, that might be too much for people to handle.
00:41:41.000Yeah, I mean, you know, again, it's the framework.
00:41:46.000It's like if we somehow were to be able to change time.
00:41:49.000And I did an interview for a DVD which is going to come out, I think, in a few months from now.
00:41:54.000And it's about the Marcel family, the ones who were involved with Roswell.
00:41:58.000And two generations of them, specifically the grandson, Jesse Marcel III, grew up with the absolute conviction that ET existed.
00:42:06.000The family is absolutely convinced that what grandfather found was extraterrestrial.
00:42:10.000The dad, at the age of 10, saw some of these artifacts, and they raised his son and the grandchild, I, III, In this absolute conviction that E.T. existed.
00:42:20.000And his mindset is completely different from the rest of us.
00:42:24.000It's like, you know, at the age of five, he's not questioning whether what he sees on television about Battlestar Galactica could be possibly real or anything of the science fiction thing.
00:42:33.000He just grew up with this complete acceptance that it is there.
00:42:36.000Just like shamanic cultures believe absolutely that there are other entities out there, that there is a larger framework out there.
00:42:44.000But the majority of us, the majority of the normal people get raised in religion.
00:42:50.000They kind of like, you know, grow up with that and then they continue to endorse it or they break away from it and sometimes completely throw the baby out with the bathwater.
00:43:00.000And that is very interesting, kind of like, you know, how two billion people Right now are in this Catholic tradition all by themselves already of having this framework which is created for the last 2,000 years and everything where you look around you in this Western world is basically the cardboard box of the last 2,000 years.
00:43:23.000Yeah, the Catholic one, that's where I started out when I was a little kid.
00:44:02.000For the rest of your life, whether you live good, whether you murder people...
00:44:07.000Because once you're baptized, you are going to die, you do the rituals and all of that stuff, and then they believe in a physical resurrection of the dead at the time when Jesus comes back.
00:44:17.000Living right, or whether you are a pedophile or a mass murderer, they don't care.
00:44:21.000It's all about being baptized, and that's all good, and the rest is all pretty much make-believe and entertainment for the masses.
00:44:29.000I think they care if you're a pedophile or a murderer.
00:44:32.000I mean, people don't want that in their community.
00:44:34.000But I know what you're saying, that if you follow the dogma, if you follow the actual word of the religion, the most important part is that they're baptized so that they can possibly come back or go to heaven.
00:46:00.000Yeah, 18. Yeah, if you look at the Earth in comparison to the rest of the universe, there's planets that are billions of years older than us out there somewhere.
00:46:10.000Yeah, and, you know, again, as you were saying earlier, it's like, give 100 years in the future, and if they came here 8,000 years ago, how would you tell?
00:46:22.000And statistically, there are like, you know, people have been doing the statistical analyses, and there would have been two or three of these incidents happening.
00:46:30.000Now, first of all, you know, if a spaceship does crash in, let's say, 15,000 BC, somewhere in America, good luck finding evidence of that.
00:47:58.000They all had stories of ancient civilizations that were more advanced and greater.
00:48:02.000They all have these catastrophe stories.
00:48:05.000And they also all have these stories about being visited.
00:48:10.000Yeah, and I mean, you know, the ancient Egyptians are probably the best example of this.
00:48:13.000They have stories which basically say that they go back 25,000 years ago to a time when the gods, whatever they are, ruled and were present amongst us.
00:48:25.000Then there were some kind of demi-gods and then dynastic rule of Egypt.
00:48:28.000And that's kind of very much something which you find everywhere.
00:48:31.000Whether you go into Arizona and you hear the same story of the Hopis, this period when the gods were amongst us, that they still can be contacted.
00:48:38.000And in the case of the ancient Egyptians, you have this other very interesting scenario that they speak about Atlantis.
00:48:46.000And, you know, these wonderful Greek who have for so many generations dominated our education as the cradle of civilization.
00:49:41.000So as soon as he's written it, basically a few guys jump on a boat, go to Egypt, hope that they can get confronted with evidence which shows that Solon and Plato are absolute morons who've invented this.
00:49:52.000And they arrive in the temple complex and the Egyptian priest kind of like points and says, yep, that's the column over there which has this story.
00:49:59.000And they jump back in the boat, arrive in Athens and basically say, oh yeah, sorry, you know, yeah, Plato was right.
00:50:06.000The ancient Egyptians have this information about this lost civilization.
00:50:10.000Now that doesn't mean necessarily that ancient Atlantis is real, but definitely that the ancient Egyptians believed that it was real.
00:50:17.000And all of that is kind of like factual.
00:50:21.000All of this is identified as being real.
00:50:24.000We know that this guy jumped on a boat.
00:50:26.000And that his column was there up until the 4th century BC. And what we have right now, again, this cardboard box which we're trying to maintain, we have the likes of Ken Fetter, who, you know, I'm all about the fact that there should be debate, but it also has to be informed.
00:50:41.000And this guy basically says, well, you know, Plato invented this.
00:51:09.000Again, right now there is no evidence that Atlantis was real, but we should get to a point to say that there is some validity that it might be real.
00:51:53.000The answer is that our ancestors built in concentric circles everywhere.
00:51:58.000In the book Lost Civilization, there's actually the work of a Belgian historian, Marcel Mastak, who finds that these circles also existed around Stonehenge, Avebury, but also in France.
00:52:16.000The indications are that our ancestors were very much aware of water technology.
00:52:21.000They realized that they wanted to do certain things with water, that they could purify it somehow, that they could get more quality out of this.
00:52:30.000It's somehow that they understood the qualities of water.
00:52:34.000And we're only beginning to touch that.
00:52:36.000So those concentric circles may have been filters?
00:52:41.000I mean, over the last 10 to 20 years, people have been beginning to look at this, most of it in Russia.
00:52:46.000It is slowly coming back to us and kind of like the results of what they're doing.
00:52:51.000But yeah, you know, like Emoto with his water and memory and all of that stuff.
00:52:56.000It's also probably a good way to have buildings set up and if you had it in these concentric circles and the water was inside of each circle, everyone would have access to water.
00:53:06.000Yes, and there's also something about the proximity to water, how this was somehow important and beneficial to health, that water healed.
00:53:15.000Up until a few years ago, everybody went to these spas across the world to partake in the waters, which were...
00:53:21.000meant to cure everything and it definitely made our ancestors feel better and that seems to be a tradition which existed for thousands of years to take this path somehow that this water was important but also of course they had to make sure that water was pure that the water was clean that it didn't contain you know things which would rather kill you rather than heal you well water has always been something that makes people feel good too right I mean it's got to be helpful for you playing in the ocean and just My wife is a big supporter of saying,
00:54:32.000We have so many awesome things like that that we don't even appreciate.
00:54:37.000So it's very likely that these people that even in Atlantis probably weren't as sophisticated as us when it comes to a lot of things, but they did have different methods of running their society, different methods of employing natural resources.
00:54:55.000They didn't have a gas and oil-based society.
00:55:01.000When you're dealing with people that didn't have machines and combustion engines and a gas and oil-based society, you've got to wonder, how does this superintelligence of the human mind manifest itself in a physical form?
00:55:16.000Well, it seemed like it did with stone.
00:55:18.000It seemed like that was where all the intelligence went.
00:55:22.000All the thought and innovation went to structures and building these incredible...
00:55:30.000Well, our ancestors, I think, had far more knowledge than we do.
00:55:34.000And this is to some extent also visible, I think, in the work which Jeremy Narby is trying to do with the pharmacology industry.
00:55:40.000Far more knowledge about what, though?
00:55:42.000Knowledgeable about various things, like whether it is plants, plants, how they can heal, how we can use them.
00:55:49.000You know, today we kind of like say, okay, pill X is made out of this and this molecule and it'll do this in your body.
00:55:56.000And it is this pill which we can give you, which we have created through lots of machinery.
00:56:01.000And in the Amazon, it doesn't work like that.
00:56:05.000They'll do the analysis and they'll say, oh, if we boil plant Y for five hours and we mix it with plant Z, The end result will be something which will help you with this.
00:56:15.000It's knowledge-based, but the preparation is so easy.
00:56:18.000You either boil it, or you take it in its native form, or you mix and mingle it.
00:56:21.000It's this very basic thing of working.
00:56:25.000You need to know that all of these plants work.
00:56:28.000And today, we have the big physical approach of, like, you know, like, we have machines and power plants which are able to produce this pill.
00:58:36.000It was pretty much unified before Europe was ever unified.
00:58:40.000And it was also a civilization which gave its information to other civilizations.
00:58:46.000There seems to be this handover of information.
00:58:49.000Even though the civilization died, not everything died.
00:58:53.000Some of their knowledge seems to have gone over, which is what the stories of the ancient Egyptians are about and how they somehow preserve this information from their ancestors.
00:59:03.000The most shocking thing to me about Ancient Man is the ability to move giant stones.
01:00:00.000So many of these structures you can't date.
01:00:04.000Trying to answer the Baalbek thing via Stonehenge, the traditional explanation of Stonehenge is that it is 3000 BC. But there's one guy, Robert Langdon, who's actually showing that these stones are probably 8000 BC. And he's doing it by basically saying the holes which were found are 8000,
01:00:25.000Some of the stones which are used elsewhere, specifically the blue sarsens, are found in these holes 8000 BC. So he's basically saying you are constantly putting Stonehenge in this 3000 BC framework.
01:00:40.000But actually, the evidence suggests that it is 8000 BC. He's trying to push it out.
01:00:44.000He's basically trying to do the reinterpretation of this.
01:00:48.000And in the case of Baalbek, in the case of so many things, it's always circumstantial dating.
01:00:53.000You know, this building has been repainted, what, a year, two years ago?
01:00:58.000And imagine if somebody, you know, five years ago says, like, oh, this building, you know, dates from seven years ago.
01:01:14.000And in the case of this building, you will probably find land registries.
01:01:17.000You will find so much information, which shows that it is probably 30, 40 years.
01:01:21.000But in the case of things like Baalbek, you don't have anything.
01:01:24.000You have a bit of plant life or some kind of discarded wood from an ancestor.
01:01:29.000It's like trying to date Baalbek or Stonehenge or whatever monument by a Twix wrapper, which a tourist has left there 3,000 years from now.
01:02:31.000And to a large extent, Baalbek is like that as a whole.
01:02:35.000It is the second largest temple complex which the Romans built on top.
01:02:39.000And parts of that haven't been explained by traditional scientists either.
01:02:44.000They kind of like will go like, well, you know, some of these stones are 200 tons and we know that the The ancient Romans were able to work with cranes of five tons.
01:02:54.000And so they kind of go like, so we need 40 of these cranes.
01:02:57.000And you kind of go, okay, so where are you going to put them?
01:03:00.000It's kind of like saying, you know, we need 40 people, but your room can only hold five.
01:03:05.000Where are you going to put the 35 extra?
01:03:06.000You have to fit them somewhere, these cranes around this piece of rock.
01:03:11.000And so they do this all the time, whether it's the Great Pyramid of Egypt.
01:03:16.000Any pyramid theory about how they are built, as proposed by an archaeologist, is ridiculed by a project manager in the building industry because they basically go like, you can't do that.
01:03:43.000And in the case of Baalbek, when it comes to the foundation stones, some will say, well, we know in the case of Jerusalem that the ancient Romans constructed this and they were using things like 200 or 400 tons.
01:04:17.000Levers, wooden rollers, massive amounts of slaves pushing it, but still...
01:04:21.000But if you put a big stone on top of a wooden roller, the wooden roller basically gets destroyed.
01:04:26.000It gets incinerated through the weight.
01:04:28.000So if wooden rollers were used, somehow our ancestors were able to do something to that wood to make something happen with that wood, which would be able to sustain the weight on top.
01:04:47.000It is the fact that so much of what our ancestors did remains unexplained on a very mundane level.
01:04:56.000You know, the most basic things as to how Stonehenge was built, how Avery was built, why it was built, how this moat was dug, Baalbek, Jerusalem, so many things.
01:05:06.000It doesn't get explained by scientists and the reason why is that archaeologists dig these things up and then somehow treat it as if it's their bailiwick and they're going to come up with Wow.
01:06:20.00010 of those monster fucking stones a day, it would take you 664 years to make the pyramid.
01:06:27.000That's such a crazy accomplishment, that building.
01:06:31.000Well, I mean, a great friend of mine, he's unfortunately having to take care of his dying wife, is Joseph Davidovich.
01:06:38.000And Joseph Davidovich is a French professor.
01:06:41.000He's called the father of his own science, geopolymers.
01:06:43.000And basically, in the 1970s, what he was looking at was he looked at rocks and he said, like, okay, I know how rocks are created, geological process, volcanic activity, but is there a way I can recreate rocks in my laboratory?
01:06:56.000And the answer was yes, he was able to accomplish this, and he called this a geopolymer.
01:07:00.000And basically a geopolymer is a natural rock, sorry, is a man-made rock which looks almost identical to a natural rock.
01:07:09.000In limestone, for example, you know, you see these little mollusks and all of these other things which are in there, and they're all neatly aligned because the water came in and the wave came out and they're all perfectly aligned.
01:07:21.000In a geopolymer, that's not the case because basically somebody has tossed it in in some structure and has basically over a period of 24 hours to 48 hours So he went to Egypt on a holiday in the late 1970s with his wife, family, looked at the Great Pyramid and said,
01:07:41.000All of these blocks are made in what I have just discovered.
01:07:45.000And he began to point out on the Giza Plateau 40 easily identifiable features about these rocks, which anybody who goes there with his book can see for themselves that this isn't natural stone.
01:08:22.000Hawass has no idea what he's talking about.
01:08:24.000Since then, the likes of Michael Barsoom, who is a professor...
01:08:28.000I think in Detroit University or somewhere in American University, he has taken pretty much the role up there from Davidovich.
01:08:38.000They have submitted samples of geopolymers to some of the ancient Egypt, sorry, to Egyptian departments, laboratories, and they basically said, oh, this is natural limestone, to which Barsoom and Davidovich said, no, it's not, we created it a few weeks ago.
01:09:09.000We're not even going to listen to what you're going to say.
01:09:12.000Instead, we're going to pretend that what you were saying is that the Great Pyramid was made of cement, and we know it wasn't made of cement.
01:09:18.000And that is kind of like the sad thing.
01:09:21.000And when it comes to project management, when it comes to all of these disciplines, they basically say, F off.
01:09:32.000So there are, actually, I'm looking at this, there are many people, very, very intelligent people, that believe that this is made out of concrete.
01:09:40.000So the propaganda may actually be the people that are disputing it, because some scientists from MIT, it seems like they believe, I'm trying to read this as I'm doing it,
01:09:58.000Yeah, they believe that it's very possible that this was what they're calling a limestone concrete, and that they just made powder and mixed it there.
01:10:06.000And that's why they're all perfect, because they were poured into a mold, which is far easier to do, because then you're just carrying bags of shit up there instead of actual pyramids.
01:10:35.000And the only reason why it's possible is because at one point in time, probably at night, they mixed or they poured one stone to a certain level and the following day they completed it to the next level, as a result of which the weathering occurred both at the top and in the middle of the stone.
01:10:51.000But again, Throughout the pyramid complex, he's able to show you and guide you around potential evidence because, again, there needs to be more research done.
01:11:02.000But 40 points is more than one to do an indication that this might be the case.
01:11:10.000The sad fact to me, the thing which abhors me is that the scientific establishment just basically says, fuck off.
01:11:33.000He said most of the blocks were carved As suggested by archaeologists, but 10 to 20% were probably cast in areas where it could have been highly difficult to position the blocks.
01:11:42.000So that's why they can show you blocks that haven't been cast and say, see?
01:12:01.000That's fucking, really a mind-blowing civilization.
01:12:06.000You really try to wrap your head around where did they get all that information from, and then you look at their own history and it says they were hanging out with gods.
01:12:15.000It sounds so stupid if you buy into it and believe it and bring it up at a dinner party, but if it was real, what a mindfuck that must have been.
01:12:27.000If human beings really did coexist in the same place as aliens, and they really were teaching us, and they were big giant dudes, like the guy in Prometheus.
01:12:44.000I think that there definitely is something to be said that our ancestors were absolutely in communication with non-human intelligences.
01:12:50.000I don't think that in a number of cases it was physical presence, but definitely that they were in communication with something and that they could establish this link.
01:13:00.000It's not like some contact which, I should put this, an intermittent phone signal.
01:13:42.000Hundreds, thousands of primitive cultures elsewhere who basically say they can access this pool of information on a regulated basis.
01:13:52.000I am a firm believer that certain hallucinogenic substances really take you outside of this cardboard box, outside of this framework.
01:14:01.000And that they take you into a world of intelligences and that our ancestors were given the tools and the techniques to basically establish this link.
01:14:10.000And once this link was established, they could pretty much ask these intelligences whatever they wanted.
01:14:16.000And then it was up to the intelligences, I guess, whether to say, yeah, we'll tell you this or no, we won't tell you that.
01:14:21.000And I think that is, to a large extent, what our ancestors were saying about this link of the gods being present amongst them.
01:14:29.000That somehow they were able to sustain a presence.
01:14:35.000In a number of occasions, it seems to be specifically in kind of like the...
01:14:41.000What I would say the non-traditional societies, some of them which have escaped most attention, remote tribes in China and things like that.
01:14:50.000There might have been a physical alien creature running around there for a while.
01:14:55.000But in most societies, specifically the famous ones, it somehow seems that these gods were non-human intelligences, not necessarily physical, but definitely present and somehow in communication with our ancestors.
01:15:10.000And how that went, very few people knew back then.
01:15:14.000Do you think that's from psychedelics, that was the communication method for the non-physical entities?
01:15:20.000I think it's definitely one possibility.
01:15:22.000I think it's something which we can go and say, this is how it could have happened.
01:15:27.000It sounds so stupid to anybody who's never done mushrooms, but if you have, or if you've done...
01:15:32.000Joe, did you see that new study about mushrooms?
01:15:34.000How they're saying that what they thought happens when you do mushrooms is totally wrong?
01:16:25.000The idea that McKenna always had was that it was an artificial intelligence and that we were eating it and that's how it was communicating with us and that it came here from other planets.
01:17:24.000And all his breaking down of fundamentalist religions, I think it's fantastic stuff.
01:17:30.000But then when I heard that the guy had never had a psychedelic experience, I'm like, my God, you have to know.
01:17:36.000There's so many books and so much work written on the connection between what they call entheogens or psychedelic substances and higher states of consciousness, revelations, religious experiences.
01:17:52.000Why would you as an intellectual not want to experience that?
01:17:55.000It's not like you'd never come back or it's not like it fucking red lines your brain and sends you into a mental tree.
01:18:03.000But I think it's because the definition of a psychedelic is that it puts you somewhere which isn't real.
01:18:10.000So it's of no interest to explore that.
01:18:12.000Why do you want to explore that stuff?
01:18:14.000I think that is a very silly way of looking at reality.
01:18:18.000I think that the idea that we even understand what that's doing to you...
01:18:24.000All that means to me is you haven't done it.
01:18:27.000If you really feel like you have some concrete definition as to what's going on in that state, I most likely say you probably haven't done it before.
01:18:34.000Because if you have done it, you'd come back very humble about your opinions on what's going on there.
01:18:42.000And that's what our ancestors are saying.
01:18:43.000They had this entire system of initiations.
01:18:47.000What we're discovering is that through a series of fasting, sleep deprivation, psychedelic drugs, whatever it is, and all of it together combined, they basically pushed you out of your comfort zone.
01:19:43.000They didn't have computers, they didn't have all of that stuff, but they were thinking about it, and they were experiment-based.
01:19:50.000And to a large extent, we're back to where we are, because right now...
01:19:54.000You have, you know, surgeons in hospital environments who are pushing little axes or little weird things on top of machinery where the patient will never see it.
01:20:04.000But when the patient says, like, hey, doctor, why is the little thing on top of this thing there?
01:20:10.000The doctor will kind of go, like, how did you know?
01:21:12.000You know, Eric von Däniken had to say that the NASCAR lines were a spaceport.
01:21:17.000Before a few scientists went to Peru and studied them and tried to preserve them.
01:21:23.000Before 0.001 was interested and it was a lone woman basically trying to convince the locals not to drive over in their trucks over the NASCAR lines.
01:21:37.000It took a guy to say Hey, maybe the gods have landed here.
01:21:41.000Maybe this is a spaceport before they were pushed into action.
01:21:45.000And so, you know, the fact that people are making up sometimes extremely wild claims might hopefully push these people, these scientists, off their butt into the field and do actually some kind of research.
01:22:50.000And, you know, it's come to a point where people have said, okay, they have to be seen from the sky.
01:22:55.000And there are a few scientists out there who've actually seen that some of the rocks near some of the lines were exposed to extreme height.
01:23:05.000They also began to see that some people were actually buried with...
01:23:46.000And so, you know, it took somebody to say, hey, this thing needs to be seen from the sky before people are really beginning to say, oh yeah, there is something to this Nazca civilization.
01:24:17.000There is definitely evidence that there was some kind of hand-gliding.
01:24:20.000Obviously, the environment was allowing for that as well.
01:24:24.000I would think people would try that shit.
01:24:26.000If you get to the top of a big cliff and the wind is blowing like crazy and you see a bird doing it, you know there's some crazy motherfucker that's going to try to make a wing.
01:24:34.000I mean, that's probably always been people.
01:24:37.000People probably always try to figure, put some animal skins and strap it down.
01:24:41.000I mean, it's like you're just mimicking what you see right in front of you that already works.
01:24:46.000Wow, that's crazy if they figured out some sort of rudimentary air flight.
01:24:52.000I mean, actually, I believe the latest Boeings, the 737 and all the 800 series of that, they have these little things at the ends of the wings which stick up now.
01:25:02.000And it's the Boeing engineers who looked at some of the birds, specifically the birds of prey, and they realized that these birds had little feathers at the ends as well.
01:25:09.000And so they began to test in the wind tunnels whether putting this thing at the end of the wings of planes would help, and it kind of like improved stability and all of that stuff, like percentages which really were kind of like out of the norm.
01:25:24.000Like nature, birds are superb flyers, and we just mimic them when we are designing aircraft.
01:25:30.000One of the most fucked up things about that area around the Nazca lines is those skeletons they find with the elongated heads where these people, they took their heads of the babies and they smushed them to form...
01:25:47.000They tried to get them to look like aliens.
01:25:53.000If you think of an alien, you think of someone with a really big, long head, and they did that on purpose to their heads.
01:26:01.000I mean, again, these are the same people like you and I. Your child.
01:26:06.000Would you subject your child to wooden planks and years of basically, you know, probably not, you know, like, abuse in the school by having these elongated skulls?
01:26:18.000And they say they did it because somehow these children were special or going to be special in the sense that they were going to resemble the gods.
01:26:26.000Brian, have you seen that shit before?
01:27:15.000And didn't Tutankhamen have a very elongated head himself?
01:27:18.000It seemed natural, but an oddly shaped head himself?
01:27:22.000Well, in the depictions, him and his dad were depicted as such, yeah.
01:27:25.000He had a normal skull as a human being, but he was depicted as this weird creature.
01:27:33.000Now, of course, his dad, which we all assume is Akhenaten, he's Really depicted weirdly, apart from a weird hat, all of his joints are weird as well.
01:27:45.000And again, they're trying to explain it the way he had morphellans or something like that, some kind of disease, which basically means that you have deformities of your fingers, your bones.
01:28:39.000Obviously, he was a teenager or an adult when he had it.
01:28:43.000He couldn't travel back in time and do it to his own skull.
01:28:46.000And Tutankhamun, I think, was already too old as well, this is speculation, to have it done to him.
01:28:54.000So it would have been the next generation, basically Tutankhamun's children, where they could have performed it on if they so wanted to.
01:29:00.000But definitely in art they were depicted as such if they could Well, it seems like in art it might have been exaggerated, but it does seem like there's people that are saying that the skull itself of Tutankhamen was elongated,
01:29:15.000and the skull of his family, apparently.
01:30:06.000Can you imagine just digging and you hit that thing in the middle of that sandy-ass desert where there's nothing going on and you all of a sudden hit this incredible treasure trove of artwork and just this insight into what it was like back then.
01:30:24.000How many of those tombs were there that just got found and raided and just stripped of all their wealth?
01:32:16.000It's really crazy when you think about what they could have discovered.
01:32:19.000We know so much just because of Tutankhamen's discovery.
01:32:22.000It's saying that the examinations of his skull, though, that he did have an elongated head.
01:32:28.000It probably wasn't as exaggerated as the images, but he had impacted wisdom teeth as well, and he had a cleft palate.
01:32:37.000So they know that the The medicine was not up to par.
01:32:42.000So that's at least good evidence that if this guy was a pharaoh, they didn't understand basic dentistry, they didn't know how to fix cleft palates.
01:32:49.000So they weren't ahead of us with everything.
01:32:54.000Again, they were very good at certain things, but they were crap at others.
01:32:59.000I mean, the ancient Egyptians, for example, As much as they built things, they never built things like arches.
01:33:05.000They were able to build bridges, but they never built arches.
01:33:08.000Now, it's possible that they could build arches, but they basically didn't think they were aesthetically pleasing.
01:33:14.000But certain things like what we would think they would have been able to do, they might not have been able to do.
01:33:22.000But at the same time, building structures with hundreds of tons of stone in there, whether it's the Valley Pyramid Complex, Or the Great Pyramid.
01:33:32.000And people often say when it comes to the Great Pyramid, oh, like, you know, okay, it was the Eiffel Tower last century, well, two centuries ago now, which rivaled it.
01:34:18.000Well, I mean, again, it's possible if somebody were to do research into it, to explore it.
01:34:23.000What we know is that our ancestors said that all of these kings were partly human, partly divine, and that they were here to make a bridge between our world and the world of the gods.
01:34:35.000And if they were unable to do that, they were quite often kicked out and basically told, okay, we'll find another one, a substitute for you.
01:34:41.000The ancient Egyptian pharaohs, specifically when they became older, were quite often told to perform a Habsat festival, which was basically a fitness test whereby they physically and mentally had to prove that they could somehow communicate with the world of the gods.
01:34:59.000You know, that is clearly a job specification.
01:35:02.000They were told to do this, and clearly it means that this communication with the gods for them somehow involved a physical aptitude thing.
01:35:13.000It wasn't that they were simply inventing certain things.
01:35:16.000You know, they were basically told, you need to be physically fit to do these things, whether it is through hallucinogenic substances, some kind of, you know, other means which we haven't been able to identify.
01:35:26.000But across the world, The job of a king was to be an enabler, a bridge between us and the world of the ancestors, the gods, whatever you want to call them.
01:35:35.000I think it's very difficult for people in this day and age to wrap their heads around the idea that at one point in time the whole reality of human beings was very, very different than it is now.
01:35:48.000But if you stopped and thought about it and if there was some introduction or some intervention rather of some sort of alien consciousness, physical alien forms, and then they weren't there anymore and they weren't there for thousands and thousands of years,
01:36:18.000I mean, there is a lot of ancient art.
01:36:22.000The ancient Sumerian stuff is the weirdest stuff.
01:36:26.000Where it actually has double helix DNA. The ancient Sumerians, I've had conversations with people that try to deny that they had some knowledge of the workings of the solar system.
01:36:38.000You look at what they left in stone tablets.
01:37:09.000And, you know, very basic things like Nabra's sky disk seems to be this Metal plate, which has a moon and a sun on it, and then some kind of like bars.
01:37:17.000And you kind of think like, oh, how sweet.
01:37:19.000Our ancestors were trying to depict the sun and the moon.
01:37:21.000You know, how clever of them are little ancestors.
01:37:24.000And then some people start to analyze this for real, and they realize that if you hold it in front of you, and you direct it to the horizon, these little bars, which you might think are of no significance whatsoever, mark on the place where these were found in Germany,
01:37:40.000The position of the rising of the sun and the setting of the sun on things like the solstices and the equinoxes.
01:37:45.000And all of a sudden you kind of go, oh shit, it looks stupid, but actually, you know, it's a very clever device.
01:37:53.000It's the Nebra Skydisk, N-E-B-R-A. There's that one thing that you talked about in your book that we've talked about on this podcast before because it's always fascinated me, that device.
01:38:06.000Explain that thing, because that's a mind-fucking-a-half.
01:38:09.000Well, the Antikatera device is basically a piece of metal which was heavily corroded, found in the shipwreck of the coast of Greece in 1901 or 1902. It was put in a museum where it sat for several decades, and in the 1950s and 60s,
01:38:26.000a guy called Derek DeSolo Price became interested in this, and he began to look at it, he began to study this, and he felt that this somehow was a scale model of our solar system.
01:38:39.000Thrown in some kind of constellations, throw in obviously the moon, throw in some zodiacal signs.
01:38:49.000He pushed the theory forward, which was attacked because we all know that the Greeks are stupid and were not able to do this because, you know, the earth was flat, wasn't it?
01:38:58.000Until somebody in the 16th century proved otherwise.
01:39:02.000He was attacked, but in the last 10-15 years, and specifically with computer modeling techniques, what they have found is basically that That Derek Price wasn't 100% right, but that he definitely had the right frame of mind,
01:39:20.000that this was basically a scale of our solar system.
01:39:25.000Now, what they've been able to show is that the Greeks were using Babylonian things, like metonic cycles about the moon, that basically this device was taking in astronomical information from ancient Babylonia, the Greek, native to Greek things,
01:40:07.000And they think, because they don't know, this device was found.
01:40:10.000So they go into ancient Greek accounts and trying to find out Whether anybody is talking about it.
01:40:16.000And they have found sporadic references to people basically saying this would sit in a temple.
01:40:22.000So somehow our ancient Greek ancestors were creating these devices, were putting them into temples to basically show how the universe worked.
01:40:31.000Imagine that, you know, imagine going into a Christian church right now and finding a scale model of the solar system in there.
01:40:37.000But for the Greeks that was apparently what they wanted.
01:40:41.000And we have, what is the idea of how old this thing is?
01:40:45.000The device is probably 2nd century or 1st century BC. And that is what remains of it.
01:41:17.000They can't contest that it's 2,000 years old.
01:41:20.000So they have to accept for what it is.
01:41:23.000They have to accept that there are gears.
01:41:26.000Where they rebel at is if somebody would push the boat out too much.
01:41:30.000So right now they kind of say, well, you know, it's a representation of the solar system, but it has some errors in there.
01:41:38.000And to some extent they can get away with that because basically what we have is a piece of material which was in seawater for 2,000 years, and it is painstakingly being kind of like, you know, how many...
01:41:54.000All of this is reconstruction, which is going to take decades more before we have a completely accurate representation of what this device was.
01:42:02.000Because it's sort of corroded and mushed together.
01:42:05.000Obviously, it sits in a museum, which basically means...
01:42:07.000That they're very reluctant to do destructive testing or anything of taking apart.
01:42:12.000So it relies on technology to go through this piece of corroded material and come up with better images, better imaging software and all of that stuff to identify what the wheels precisely were.
01:42:24.000But basically the overall picture is this, that the ancient Greeks were able to do certain things which we didn't give them credit for.
01:42:31.000And very slowly You know, the academics are kind of going, yeah, okay, that's fine.
01:43:37.000But what we do know about it is that, you know, again, our ancestors were more We're more clever than we standard give them credit for.
01:43:47.000And it's also a good representation of what happens to something just after 2,000 years.
01:43:52.000Now, if you think about what 2,000 years is to human history, and then go back and say, well, this guy, the Egyptologist, was like, where's the evidence of this 10,000-year-old culture?
01:44:35.000There's spots where people were around that were erased by miles of ice, slowly crushing everything in its path, literally like a giant eraser.
01:44:45.000You know, a lot of people on Twitter are freaking out about the Tutankhamen thing, showing me all these images of how they get babies to stretch their heads out.
01:44:54.000I'm not saying Tutankhamen was an alien.
01:44:56.000What I am saying is, and I think it's fascinating, and I don't see how it could be disputed, That all of these people who are stretching their babies' heads out are trying to get their babies' heads to look like what we consider the classic image of aliens.
01:45:13.000It's very weird that you would want to do that.
01:45:16.000I know that there's weird things that people do culturally.
01:45:19.000They stretch their necks out, they put plates in their lips.
01:45:22.000There's a lot of wacky shit that people do.
01:45:24.000But that one to me is really interesting when you consider the fact that you're dealing with some culture that may or may not have had something to do with space flight or air flight.
01:45:36.000And they do it because they say to resemble the goats, to resemble the ancestors.
01:45:48.000There's always a reason which we can identify.
01:45:50.000And in this case, the reason is because they want to resemble the gods.
01:45:53.000And there's another thing that I saw you touched on in this book is how many different pyramids and structures they're finding in South America.
01:46:05.000Well, I mean, you know, I wrote a previous book called The New Pyramid Age five years ago, and that book is now actually completely out of date because up until 1994, when Robert Beauval wrote The Orion Mystery, we had this idea that there are pyramids in Egypt and there are pyramids in the Mayan culture,
01:46:44.000We have carbon dating results, as we were saying, but they refuse to publish them.
01:46:48.000But, you know, officially accepted, Corral pyramids are older.
01:46:51.000The largest one, volume-wise, are La Cholula in Mexico as well.
01:46:55.000And then, height-wise, there is a new contender in the Bosnian pyramids, which might actually be 220 meters, i.e.
01:47:02.000660 yards high, Which is pretty much quite a bit higher than the Great Pyramid.
01:47:08.000All of this thing is really changing the pyramid landscape.
01:47:12.000And also what is happening is that we're beginning to understand why the pyramids were built, why these structures were there.
01:47:21.000And there is this kind of like uniform template which basically says that our ancestors somehow built pyramids because they were linked with kingship.
01:47:28.000And somehow enabled our ancestors, and specifically the king, to once again be this bridge from one world to the other.
01:47:37.000What is the controversy about the Bosnian pyramids?
01:47:39.000Because I know even Robert Schock from Boston University doesn't believe that it's a man-made structure.
01:47:46.000The controversy is that there is very much a divide between Western science and former East Bloc science on this.
01:47:54.000It is very much maintained, you know, by a small group of people within the archaeological establishment.
01:48:02.000He was the former president of the Western, sort of, European Archaeological Society.
01:48:09.000And he basically said that if he found any archaeologist digging on the Bosnian Pyramid site, he would forever make sure that this guy or woman never had any other job.
01:48:20.000The reason I think why it is so controversial is because they are not in control.
01:48:25.000The license went to Samoz Manigic, who has three PhDs, one in history, mine studies, one in business.
01:48:40.000And they realized that they were too late.
01:48:43.000They realized that, you know, this was going to be run differently than traditional archaeological digs.
01:48:49.000And they made up some incredible, you know, BS about it.
01:48:53.000Like, what happened early on was that Samoz Managic wrote to Zahi Hawass, and basically wanted a geologist to come and study these pyramids.
01:49:08.000Barakat stayed there for roughly two months.
01:49:10.000He did the analysis and he said that these pyramids were man-made.
01:49:17.000He was then attacked by Hawass, basically saying, I never sent Barakat there, to which Osmanikov basically showed the letter signed by Hawass, saying, like, you know, what is this?
01:49:29.000I was there in 2008. I've been there on a number of occasions, but I was there in 2008 when the first international conference on the Bosnian pyramids was being held.
01:49:38.000You had the people who were in charge of the Chinese pyramids, Who are basically doing the excavations in Siam, involving such things as the emperor who unified China.
01:49:49.000There were 30 of the leading Egyptologists there.
01:49:52.000The current Minister of Antiquities, Mohammed Ibrahim Ali, was one of the The people present there.
01:49:58.000He was, at that moment in time, the Dean of Archaeology of Ain Shains.
01:50:03.000Another Dean of Archaeology of Cairo University was there.
01:50:06.000In short, 30 of the leading Egyptologists and geologists from Egypt were there.
01:50:12.000When you go on to things like Wikipedia, however, the opening sentence will be that the pyramids are natural phenomenon.
01:50:19.000But I would invite anybody to click on the talk page of Wikipedia when it comes to the Bosnian pyramids, and you will see a guy called Dog Weller who's constantly over there.
01:50:28.000And he gets asked the question somewhere on the talk page, basically saying, well, in 2008, this Remember, they were discovered in 2005. First excavations happened in 2006. 2008 was the first time when all of these scientists gathered.
01:50:46.000They have since gathered in 2011 and 2012 as well.
01:50:49.000But in 2008, the recommendation of all of these scientists was that they should continue digging and that there was evidence to point out and to suspect that these were more than likely man-made.
01:51:00.000Since then, there has been more evidence there.
01:51:03.000When Doc Weller is asked why can the conclusions of the International Conference on the Bosnian Pyramids in 2008 not be mentioned on the front page of the entrance of the Bosnian Pyramid, he says...
01:51:16.000Well, people who believe in creation have these semi-pseudo-archaeological conferences as well, and Wikipedia should not adhere to these things.
01:51:25.000Sure, but in this case, when it comes to the Bosnian pyramids, the leading lights of archaeology signed off, physically signed off with their signature on these conclusions from 2008. But there is this idea,
01:51:41.000you know, that we should not look at it.
01:54:10.000Say if you had a flat wall and you wanted to carve a monkey into it, you would just draw the monkey like you would on a two-dimensional piece of paper.
01:54:21.000They actually made it larger and then cut the monkey.
01:54:26.000It wasn't a monkey, but they cut a lizard...
01:54:28.000They cut different animals out of it so that they stuck out and then the rest of it was flat and smooth.
01:54:34.000So it all came from one giant piece of stone and they had the technology to trim everything else straight around it, get to that one spot and then construct this little relief animal.
01:54:48.000And, you know, I think it's on something on par, which we, again, don't see for thousands of years.
01:54:53.000The ancient Egyptians did it somewhat, but I think really it takes us to Gothic times and cathedral building when you see some of these intricacies once again on display.
01:55:02.000And it's all built at a time where they believe people were just 100% hunter-gatherers.
01:55:09.000When you go back to 14,000 years, the standard academic model is that people were really unsophisticated back then.
01:55:39.000But basically, somebody in the 1960s had looked at it and the thing was like, oh, this is a medieval Byzantine cemetery of no interest whatsoever.
01:55:48.000And then everything happened in the early 1990s.
01:55:51.000There are now people who are actually beginning to do...
01:55:55.000Investigations into it and are coming up with stellar alignments and the fact that these ancestors who built Gobekli Tapi had knowledge of the stars and what is interesting is not simply that they had knowledge of the stars and the constellations but that the kind of stars and constellations they were interested in happens to be the kind of constellations which other cultures like ancient Egypt and the mines were interested in as well.
01:56:17.000So you have this continuity of knowledge and the more research is going to happen there in Gobekli Tapi, the more It's going to be exposed.
01:56:26.000And there are actually pockets of other structures near Gobekli Tapi, which are actually slightly older.
01:56:34.000But again, it's going to be piecemeal given to us as to how we are older and more interesting than we really think we are.
01:57:23.000Oh, I mean, you know, Corral, the pyramids which we were talking about just now in Peru, 40 years ago people looked at them and said like, They look like shit.
01:57:32.000They don't even look like anything man-made.
01:57:48.000Put a long play record in the sunshine and we know what happens to it as well.
01:57:53.000But we need to recognize that sometimes we misidentify it and then we go back and we say, oh shit, this is so much more interesting than Than we originally thought it was.
01:58:02.000And that is happening relatively a lot.
01:58:07.000Corral pyramids is another one of them.
01:58:08.000It's fascinating that the more a culture advances, the more easily its records are destroyed.
01:58:14.000Because in the beginning, you're just carving shit on rocks, and then when it gets to us, we got, you know, micro USB cards in your fucking cell phone, and, you know, you lose that little fucker, or, you know, it's gone, or, you know, leave it around, it gets stepped on a couple times, it's done,
01:58:29.000Leave it in the ground, the ground will eat it and absorb it in a few years, it'll be gone.
01:58:34.000It's fascinating to think that if we had some sort of a reset button, like you look at this hurricane that just hit New York and New Jersey and the massive amount of devastation that it did, And just on a purely practical level, like how all of a sudden these people are unable to survive, we really need to send very basic things like clothing and food out to them.
01:58:53.000It just shows you how reliant we are on technology to keep our food fresh, to keep our food frozen, to keep us warm.
01:59:02.000And when that isn't there anymore, we are unable to cope.
01:59:07.000These people really need help from the rest of us because we have become so over-sophisticated that We can no longer survive in certain conditions.
01:59:15.000And we out here in Southern California, until we get an earthquake, we don't even know what the fuck weather is.
01:59:24.000That's why some of the most clueless people live here.
01:59:28.000Some of the people that are the most detached from nature and from the concept of the fact that we are a part of a...
01:59:34.000An ecosystem and we're in fact on a planet.
01:59:37.000Because when you live in Florida and one of those motherfuckers come through and you realize that this is possible, that the earth can possibly have this sort of a crazy, violent and powerful reaction.
01:59:50.000It's very humbling and it makes you like, oh, we've got a plan for this, okay?
01:59:55.000We might have to dig holes deep in the ground and cement them in and build some kind of a shelter that you can survive through this because being on the surface is not an option.
02:00:32.000And, you know, but here's the difference, I think.
02:00:35.000You know, our ancestors were just like us.
02:00:37.000They wanted to build that beautiful house.
02:00:39.000They wanted to have that beautiful view.
02:00:41.000But they made sure it wasn't built on wooden sticks.
02:00:44.000They made gigantic foundations in stone.
02:00:47.000This is the reason, like, you know, like, Baalbek is, you know, Seismically active, but definitely not as much as things like Cusco, where the Earth shakes every five seconds.
02:00:58.000And the Inca civilization built for this.
02:01:00.000They built gigantically weird-shaped stones in old shapes, whereby we know they withstand earthquakes.
02:01:08.000Is that why they had things that were curvy and they fit in like jigsaw puzzles?
02:01:12.000Absolutely, because what happens, the Sherman Oaks was an epicenter in, I think, the 1994 earthquake.
02:01:19.000And basically, two plates kind of like made houses jump up.
02:01:22.000And then from the other side, they basically gave them a different seller, so to speak.
02:01:27.000And so, because we built so linearly, you know, houses, I mean, I'm slightly exaggerating here, jump up and jump down again.
02:01:35.000But because all of these stones kind of go, okay, we can't jump up, we can't jump down.
02:01:41.000We're stuck because we're so wedged with these other stones.
02:01:48.000But somehow, despite some of these billion-dollar houses, In Los Angeles, the architects don't seem to be willing to borrow from our Inca ancestors when it comes to design.
02:02:17.000I think they're mostly outdated by the ability to get, like, they want to be replaced because they constantly keep doing better ones, which get more power out of them.
02:02:26.000Now, you wrote a rebuttal to the dude who made that video, which was the, yeah, Chris White, who made the, it was Ancient Aliens Debunked, and essentially, he pointed out errors that existed on the television show, and then you made,
02:04:30.000But I mean, that's like, you know, my biggest beef with him is to do with Crystal Skulls.
02:04:36.000He makes it appear as if he comes up with this name and says, Anna Mitchell Hedges, she always tried to sell the crystal skull, and she never allowed for scientific dating.
02:05:12.000There is a photograph of Anna Mitchell Hedges in the British Museum when she was doing the dating.
02:05:18.000By the way, there's an entire video of it, which the BBC made in 1980 or 81. And you can see Mitchell Hedges in the British Museum with the British Museum skull and her skull there.
02:05:33.000Chris is, again, he's not your typical skeptic, but he does this thing of like, I have found something on the internet which says something differently.
02:05:43.000But there was definitely a lot of shit that he was right about, right?
02:05:46.000There was a lot of errors that he pointed out.
02:05:49.000He makes some clever misdirections, though, with some of it as well.
02:05:54.000Kind of like, yes, Giorgio is wrong when he says diorite or whatever the other one is.
02:06:01.000But it doesn't change anything to do with the density or the hardness of that material.
02:06:07.000He also comes up with kind of like what I think is sometimes the misdirection of like, he'll kind of say like, why is David Hatcher Childress talking about levitation when it comes to the Easter Island statues when they could have been put on wooden rollers?
02:06:21.000Well, the reason why David Hatcher Childress is talking about it is because the locals say that they walked, that they were Floated into space.
02:06:28.000So Ancient Aliens is discussing the possibility, whether it is possible, that there was such a thing as levitation.
02:07:16.000He says, no matter how many mistakes I have found...
02:07:20.000By default, I know that the ancient alien theory is wrong.
02:07:24.000So even if he finds nothing wrong with the ancient alien theories, he basically says in his opening and in his closing, I know that this is impossible.
02:07:35.000And he does a very clever trick as well, which is basically he says, you know, okay, I have found one evidence here, I have found, sorry, one error here, I have found another error there, the third one there.
02:07:46.000Great, that's 50 hours of television, you know.
02:07:49.000If you find 50 errors in there, it's quite good.
02:07:54.000But he sees every evidence as evidence of somehow there's a vast conspiracy by us to misdirect them.
02:08:04.000Well there's certainly, let's be honest, there's certainly a confirmation bias that's involved with almost every fringe subject, whether it's ghosts or Bigfoot or aliens.
02:08:15.000There is an unquestionable confirmation bias where people who really want to believe in it find ways to believe in it.
02:08:23.000But it's the same with traditional archaeologists.
02:08:25.000Dr. Zahi Hawass will find clues in there to kind of like explain certain things away as well.
02:09:00.000I thought that what he did was a very brilliant take on mistakes and he was very time-consuming and tedious and I thought it was very well done and I can't wait to talk to him about it.
02:09:13.000But my problem is that there's still a lot of Craziness to that stuff.
02:09:20.000Saying that, you know, they had done and moved larger stones before, and that somehow or another, because it was a part of a foundation wall, wasn't that?
02:09:35.000There was a lot of where you're trying to find some reason why it's not fantastic, and it's obviously fantastic.
02:09:43.000And this is probably a sign of our times, but Ancient Aliens is a TV show.
02:09:50.000It tries to put forward into the public mind, is this possible?
02:09:54.000Here's a bit of graphic information for you.
02:09:57.000And by default, The Ancient Aliens, the series, is not identified with whether or not we have been visited in the past.
02:10:07.000I mean, the best evidence was put forward by the likes of Carl Sagan.
02:10:11.000And Joseph Strzofsky in the late 1970s.
02:10:14.000Carl Sagan, who was very much a skeptic.
02:10:17.000He didn't believe in anything like crop circles and all that stuff.
02:10:20.000And he basically said, you know, of paleocontact, whether we have been visited in the past or not, the best example is Oanus, this creature which comes out of the sea and teaches man the arts of civilization and various other things.
02:10:34.000Oanus disappeared, another creature came up.
02:10:37.000Basically took off where, you know, began to instruct the people.
02:11:30.000But I mean, in the eyes of Carl Sagan and many people who are looking into this from a scientific point of view, this is kind of like amongst the best evidence that we might have potentially been visited by ancient aliens.
02:11:46.000And it's kind of like, okay, you should really try to negate this if you want to pretend that you have completely destroyed the ancient alien theory.
02:11:55.000You know, you can try and attack the ancient aliens, the series.
02:12:00.000But as long as you don't go for the best evidence, like the honest story, and you do it on a scientific level, you argue why Carl Sagan thought this was interesting, why other scientists thought this was interesting, then really you can make a documentary and pretend that you have completely destroyed the possibility that we were ever visited in the past by I
02:12:41.000And there is a possibility, no matter how many mistakes you guys make, there is still a possibility that the human race has been visited and, in fact, maybe even engineered by advanced life forms.
02:13:03.000In the Ancient Alien question, I write about it, and I thought when I was going to write that chapter, it was going to be boring.
02:13:10.000It was going to be, at some point in the past, there were some scientists who thought that life came from elsewhere in the universe, riding on a comet or a meteorite, and then it crashed here, and then all of a sudden, we had life on planet Earth.
02:13:24.000What we have right now are astrobiologists who are working for NASA who are saying that the building blocks of life are created spontaneously in interstellar space, that as a result, life like us is potentially everywhere in the universe.
02:13:39.000You know, they have been saying that viruses are more than likely, some of them more than likely are coming from outer space as well.
02:13:48.000Did you see that one, I think it was from Harvard, the astronomer that said that it's very unlikely that we'll ever find life and there is probably no life anywhere but Earth because we've looked at 500 planets and we have found no life.
02:14:04.000And I looked at that and I said, no, no, no, no.
02:14:07.000You've looked at 501 planets and 1 out of 500 has life.
02:14:22.000Just because you looked at 500 other planets, if it's 1 out of 1,000, that's pretty amazing when you consider the hundreds of billions of stars.
02:14:34.000I don't know who you're referring to, but if he was the traditional satire guy who looks at radio astronomy kind of stuff, NASA is abandoning that.
02:14:43.000They realize you're looking for a needle in a haystack.
02:14:55.000And they're basically saying that, you know, there is now more than substantial evidence that indeed life didn't originate on this planet, but that it arose somewhere else in the universe.
02:15:07.000It came here, this theory of panspermia, which Francis Crick, who was the guy who identified the structure, the double helix of DNA, he always said it didn't originate here, that it came from somewhere else.
02:15:20.000The greatest astrobiologists in the world can't get published in peer-reviewed journals because the peer-reviewed journals are still so adamant that life originated on planet Earth.
02:15:31.000So NASA is doing science by press release.
02:15:35.000They get them peer-reviewed amongst their peers.
02:15:38.000They know they can't get published, so they publish them on the Internet, and everybody can consult them on the Internet.
02:15:43.000And the guys who do the peer-reviewed journals, they're now saying that NASA is involved in a conspiracy to convince the world that life exists elsewhere in the universe as well.
02:15:56.000It seems like shades of what Galileo had to go through.
02:15:59.000Just a more advanced form of arrogance because we have more information now to back up our claims and we can make these big grandiose You know, statements like, well, we've examined 500 planets, we're pretty sure we're alone.
02:16:22.000You know, you better go do your homework, because that's bananas.
02:16:26.000It's so silly that you could even say that.
02:16:27.000Like, the numbers, again, it's like, we talked about how 7,000 years is impossible for people to think about.
02:16:33.000Well, that ain't shit compared to the number of stars just in this galaxy.
02:16:38.000When you start getting into just the phrase, hundreds of billions, and then think about each one may have who knows how many goddamn planets, you can't do it.
02:17:13.000And on a completely different level, like, you know, this was very much in evidence with Jesus' wife controversy, which hit, like, you know, like somebody found this scrap of material...
02:17:23.000Which basically only could ever prove that in the 3rd century AD there were people who believed that Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene.
02:17:32.000And all of a sudden you have this enormous stampede of scientists saying,''No, this can't be true.
02:17:39.000Let me do research.'' And they're basically kind of saying, give me money, and for the rest of five years, I will debate endlessly about this, and I will create this controversy about that.
02:17:51.000Because it's Jesus, and we know Jesus is more than controversial, the likes of National Geographic actually pulled the initial documentary, which wasn't done by some kind of crazy person.
02:18:02.000It was a Harvard professor who basically came up with this.
02:18:24.000But then all of a sudden you have scientists saying, no, we need to know who the owner is because if we don't know who the owner is, we're going to completely not believe anything you're saying.
02:18:39.000It's really fascinating that at the highest levels of intelligence the highest levels of knowledge the place where you're actually supposed to go to get that stuff that things are withheld just on the basis of ego.
02:19:10.000You have to be a very brave person to admit to having a fascination with psychedelic drugs if you're a scientist.
02:19:17.000If you're an archaeologist and you suggest the possibility, just the possibility, that there may very well have been ancient civilizations that we're unaware of, that immediately throws you into a certain fringe category, right?
02:19:31.000Oh, I mean, I was around John Mack, Harvard professor of psychiatry.
02:19:35.000He created the Psychiatric We're good to go.
02:20:10.000He was basically saying everybody who I've interviewed is relating it to me in wording, which suggests to me that it is something which has happened to them.
02:20:20.000He went a little further than that in his second book.
02:20:24.000In his second book, he was basically relaying the message that these aliens had told these people about the consequences of human destruction and what we're doing to the planet.
02:20:36.000It's all pretty fascinating stuff, but what always killed me about the John Mack stuff is that everything happens at night.
02:20:44.000All these people are abducted at night.
02:20:46.000We know during the nighttime the brain releases endogenous bursts of dimethyltryptamine, which is an incredibly powerful hallucinogenic drug.
02:20:55.000Why don't we get these people who have had these alien abduction experiences and introduce them to intravenous dimethyltryptamine and see if it recreates the same thing?
02:21:04.000Because if it does, then you know what you got going on.
02:21:16.000You know, if you have this and you can, you can saw it in half, well then it's real.
02:21:21.000It's very possible that there's chemical doorways that exist, and something goes through them, something returns, or the resonance in which you interface with the universe changes because of the introduction of these alkaloids and these chemicals into the mind.
02:21:38.000The resonance of the universe changes.
02:21:40.000You tune into something that doesn't exist, or it doesn't exist without it.
02:21:45.000And that's something that until we consider that possibility, until we really wrap our heads around what exactly is going on there, we're ignoring a pretty profound experience.
02:21:58.000We're not even using it as a part of the equation.
02:22:02.000We're not even throwing one of the most profound and life-altering things that can happen to a person, a psychedelic experience, a real truly profound experience.
02:22:11.000And we're not even introducing it into the conversation.
02:22:14.000We're pretending it doesn't exist because we don't want to look silly.
02:22:42.000You don't need to go do mushrooms, Bish.
02:22:45.000If Richard Dawkins went and did an ayahuasca ceremony or Richard Dawkins went and smoked DMT... He would come back with a completely different view on this whole fucking thing.
02:22:57.000A brilliant mind, an incredible academic, a guy who's just so good at busting through the bullshit of religion that, you know, especially in the waning years of his existence on this plane, he's really cheating his consciousness of not just crossing over at least once just to say,
02:23:53.000There's many, many things in this life that are like that.
02:23:55.000I think very few are as profound as the psychedelic experience as far as how alien it is to normal, everyday consciousness.
02:24:04.000And I think that has to be considered when you stop and think about The idea of alien interjection, alien altering of our world.
02:24:19.000The idea of the psychedelic experience being a gateway to some other form of consciousness or some other form of intelligence that has to be considered.
02:24:28.000Let me tell you something that happened to me after one of my first DMT experiences.
02:24:53.000I can tell you, I have spoken to these people.
02:24:57.000You don't have to go around wondering whether or not UFOs are possible because something is possible that's a billion times crazier than that.
02:25:06.000The way I always describe DMT is mushrooms times a million plus aliens.
02:26:05.000I've lived in England for about ten years, worked in England for about ten years, and I've been...
02:26:10.000Partly European, partly in Los Angeles for the last four years.
02:26:15.000When in American high schools, there's this phenomenon where this leaving the nest thing, where a lot of guys, they graduate, but they still come back to hang out.
02:26:41.000Do you buy into any of the stuff when you hear about UFOs interfering with launch commands and missiles and UFOs cutting power over military bases?
02:27:16.000I would be interested in atomic missiles, I think, more so than if I was an alien power.
02:27:23.000I mean, you know, if I was an alien, okay, I mean, making science fiction scenarios here, either they say, okay, they can blow them to smithereens, let's do it.
02:27:32.000Or, well, we have this thing whereby we can pick up this nuclear device anyway in mid-flight and then take it out of there.
02:27:38.000But when people tell me weird things happened on a military facility involving top-secret things, and there's a UFO sighted, then to me that UFO is probably of terrestrial origins.
02:27:52.000And there is probably a very good reason why, whoever power it is, you know, we probably blame the Russians first, but it doesn't necessarily have to be them, There's a good reason why they're going to keep this secret, and they probably want to pretend.
02:28:07.000And I think to a large extent, the American government has an active promotion of, hey, we are covering up certain things.
02:28:15.000Well, that whole Area 51 thing put a lot of questions into people's minds because they denied its existence until, what year was it, 94 or something like that, where they want to expand its boundaries?
02:28:25.000Yeah, and then in Independence, they make a big thing about Area 51, and then at the end you see with the active participation and help of the Departments of Defense, and you're telling me they didn't read the script?
02:28:37.000Yeah, you're telling me that they're okay with pretending there's a fucking flying saucer tucked away back there?
02:28:47.000Yeah, I mean, you know, again, I think he might have seen something which people told him was alien.
02:28:56.000And I think that's a form of protection.
02:28:58.000Like, you know, if I tell you here's a light, you know, it's alien technology, you're not going to say, oh, Philips, oh, that must be a cover-up thing, kind of like, you know.
02:29:11.000There are known instances, and I think it was Bill Moore who found some stuff there.
02:29:16.000In 1953 or 1952, all of a sudden America was okay again, I think, with Hungary.
02:29:22.000And there was a very important relic across of St. Stephen or something like that, which was somewhere displaced after the Second World War, and the American government was going to give it back.
02:29:33.000But it was so secretive that nobody knew on this flight what it was.
02:29:38.000And the official cargo of what was being transported was described as a UFO, basically a crashed saucer which was being transported.
02:29:47.000They didn't want the people on board to know what it was.
02:30:00.000So they just freak people out just to put a stupid story out there for disinformation.
02:30:04.000Yeah, and, you know, if you can then convince these soldiers that there's a big cover-up, you're going to probably die if you say that, you know, when you're going to speak out about crashed sorcerers.
02:30:15.000These guys are going to be kept quiet.
02:30:18.000Yeah, the Robert Lazar story, I'm sorry, the Robert Lazar story was so compelling because he's so fucking intelligent.
02:30:23.000And he doesn't sound like a liar when he starts talking about the base and talking about reverse engineering the aircraft and how they would take them out for test flights where they couldn't exactly figure out how to work them.
02:30:36.000So it is possible that it was Russian or something and then that Robert Lazar was told that it was an alien just because they did want to admit that the Russians had figured out some fucking incredible shit that we hadn't.
02:30:47.000I mean, you know, I agree with you on Lazar.
02:31:17.000Yeah, when you see these things like stealth bombers and stuff that we know the government did design that actually look like aliens and look like some UFO... And as you point out, he's an intelligent guy.
02:31:49.000Why would they tell this four-eyed motherfucker from the middle of nowhere, Albuquerque, New Mexico, wherever he's from, yeah, yeah, yeah, we got an alien.
02:31:58.000I don't think his story is actually they told him.
02:32:00.000I think his story was that they didn't explain it at all.
02:32:02.000They just told him to back engineer it.
02:32:03.000And he deduced, with his own intelligence, that it was an alien craft.
02:32:11.000But yeah, who knows what the fuck they're making out there, right?
02:32:13.000I mean, they have this gigantic facility out there, or at least they did.
02:32:16.000I think they've moved things now, because so many people are aware of it, and because of Google Earth, I believe they've moved stuff to Utah now.
02:32:25.000That's the new place where they test out crazy shit.
02:32:28.000Well, I mean, again, I was talking about that Roswell documentary, and there's some very interesting things, how...
02:32:35.000And actually, skeptics in this case are great.
02:32:38.000I mean, there are some great skeptics in the sense that they stick with it.
02:32:41.000They've done research for 20 years, and that's great.
02:32:44.000The skeptics I hate are these 24 hit-and-run guys.
02:32:47.000They see something, they write something, they've seen it on Google.
02:32:50.000But like the likes of Carl Flock when it comes to Roswell, he's got great material in there.
02:32:57.000It can be interpreted in two ways, but he's got great material.
02:33:00.000And some of the stuff which he's also kind of like confirmed, Is that you had this tiny cabal of like Jesse Marcel, the base commander, which was called Blanchard.
02:33:11.000They somehow knew the likes of Barry Goldwater.
02:33:15.000And when Goldwater starts talking about, hey, can I see what's in Hangar 18 at Wright-Patterson?
02:33:24.000It's a scam of these guys who are absolutely convinced that there is alien material being covered up in Wright-Patterson, who are trying to get it on the record and who are trying to push the government basically into kind of like coming up with an answer.
02:33:40.000And the answer is like, fuck off, you're not allowed to say this.
02:33:43.000You know, like Goldwater was basically told he was not allowed to ask such questions.
02:33:47.000The government was never going to say anything of the kind.
02:33:54.000These people were working behind the scenes and like the base commander spoke to Goldwater, was trying to push something out there.
02:34:02.000And again, it's not as such evidence of the fact that something extraterrestrial landed in Roswell, but that there were more things happening behind the scenes than quite often are being credited for.
02:34:14.000There's a clear evidence of conspiracy at Roswell, and one of the big pieces of evidence is the fact that they flew the wreckage out to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in two separate planes because they were worried if one of them crashed.
02:34:25.000They wanted to make sure that they could not lose this...
02:34:35.000Because they claimed that it was material from a weather balloon, which is nothing.
02:34:39.000They could throw that in the back of a plane, no problem.
02:34:41.000And I mean, kind of like hanging out with Jesse Marcel and having him talk about his grandfather.
02:34:46.000His grandfather was the chief of intelligence for Roswell.
02:34:51.000Roswell Air Force Base, at that moment in time, was the only airfield in the world where there was constantly an atomic bomb being sent in the sky.
02:35:01.000America wanted to have an atomic presence in the sky.
02:35:03.000As a result of that, B-52 or whatever kind of machinery went and landed at Roswell constantly.
02:35:28.000He was, you know, when he went into Fort Worth and was going to make that announcement, he was absolutely convinced that he was going to tell the world about the existence of extraterrestrial beings.
02:35:40.000And when you see this story through his family, you see that afterwards he apparently trampled on his He hated what the American government had him do.
02:35:52.000He basically killed thousands of people by, you know, sentencing them to death, by briefing this officer where to drop an atomic bomb.
02:36:00.000And at the same level, he was absolutely convinced that what happened in Roswell was extraterrestrial and that he somehow had to say on air, live, that he was an idiot.
02:36:12.000And he hated what the American government made him do.
02:36:35.000It's a fascinating thing to me that it all occurred, the majority of these UFOs, and even the term flying saucer, it all occurred once we started fucking around with nuclear power.
02:36:46.000When we started fucking around with nuclear bombs, that's when they seemed to start arriving.
02:36:54.000And if it really did exist and it was just some sort of an isolated instance where they came down and said, alright, listen, you crazy pink monkeys, you can't do that.
02:37:03.000You can't just go fucking blowing things up with nuclear bombs.
02:37:06.000You're going to ruin your whole planet, alright?
02:37:15.000Our ancestors always say that the gods were there to help us, that they're somehow, these helpers, these kind of like, we're trying to do it all by ourselves, but if we run into trouble, all of a sudden they kind of go like, okay, well, have you looked at this problem?
02:37:30.000It's like a parent looking at his child and kind of like knowing that 4 plus 4 equals 8, but after a while you kind of go like, okay...
02:37:40.000And if this is the case, then if we can somehow self-destruct completely, more than likely to, idiocy or computer failure of pushing whatever buttons, then you might actually say,
02:38:14.000If we are the children and there is an alien intelligence who's slightly brighter than us, who means well, then they're going to look out for us.
02:38:24.000So how do you explain worldstarhiphop.com?
02:38:28.000Well, how are they letting that happen?
02:38:29.000It's probably innocent in the larger scheme of things.