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00:12:50.000I mean, one of the cool things about having cool friends is that you get to find out about cool things that they're into that maybe you didn't know.
00:12:58.000You know, when you talk to somebody, like, Say if you never knew about jiu-jitsu and you were hanging out with Eddie Bravo and you really had no idea and you're talking to this guy and all of a sudden he starts telling you about jiu-jitsu and you'll be like, there's a whole thing I didn't even know about that's awesome!
00:16:32.000He was afraid he was going to get bit.
00:16:33.000I just think skill-wise, I think Ali was great, but if you look at the Ali from the Joe Frazier fight on, if you compare that guy to Tyson when he was against, say, Michael Spinks, when he was just the ultimate destroyer.
00:16:45.000He was too blindingly fast and a really good boxer.
00:19:59.000If you see when they are awesome, when he had the silver medal and he didn't beat Karelin, he had a silver medal in the Olympics and he's up there.
00:20:08.000Somebody give me his name, and he's crying.
00:20:10.000He's crying because he just realizes that no matter what he did, no matter how hard he trains, there is that man named Corellon that he will never beat.
00:25:49.000If you're born at 15 pounds, and if you look at how proportioned his body is and the amount of training he does, there are people out there that are genetic freaks that don't need steroids.
00:26:02.000Russia was not fucking around back then.
00:26:04.000You know, we had Victor Conte on the podcast, and one of the things that he was talking about is that the elephant in the room, when it comes to women's track and field, is that there was a period of time before they were testing where they still can't achieve the results that these, like, Eastern Bloc women got.
00:26:24.000Well, they just can't achieve what these men-women did.
00:26:27.000So is it a matter of record or it's just their times back in Eastern Europe?
00:26:32.000The times that they had from 10, 20 years ago, from whenever it was where they weren't testing with these women, the times were stronger than they are today in the Olympics.
00:26:42.000That they are behind the gold medal or behind the world records.
00:26:47.000Well, he said it's 100% because they were taking steroids.
00:26:50.000He was a fascinating guy to have on because he fucking saw the whole thing happen from the ground up.
00:26:55.000He saw people experimenting with all these different supplements and he's seen track and field athletes all of a sudden get unbelievably good within a year and everybody gets suspicious.
00:27:43.000Whereas someone like Justin Gatlin has 400. So naturally occurring, some people have just more testosterone, and usually guys who are faster and stuff stronger.
00:27:51.000Well then, what does that say about...
00:27:53.000So if that's the case, is it a fair competition, or can this other guy take hormone replacement therapy and bring his up to 800?
00:29:15.000And not only that, we all know that human beings, if they want to win something, they'll do everything, including sacrifice their own health to get to a point.
00:31:26.000I think that Anderson would kick him in the face and all that, but he's not afraid of his boxing.
00:31:33.000I mean, he boxes a lot, and it seems like he would be a guy who could...
00:31:38.000Certainly, Stan and trade, as opposed to Damian Maia or Forrest Griffin doing it with Anderson, I think that if anybody could actually, who's a pure boxer, who trains with real boxers and is a pretty good boxer, he might be able to answer some of those.
00:31:53.000Nick Diaz, first of all, takes an unbelievable shot.
00:33:41.000Don't tell me that, because now I'm going to start doing the Nick Diaz diet.
00:33:44.000Well, listen, man, if you talk to guys like Rich Roll or any of these ultra-endurance guys, there's no better way to keep your body energized than constantly eating fresh vegetables.
00:33:53.000Yeah, high carbohydrate, complex carbohydrate.
00:33:57.000Yeah, I don't think for ultimate performance, though, especially for explosive performance, I don't think you get the same results.
00:34:03.000According to scientists, the people that have actually done studies shows that there really are some benefits to eating animal protein.
00:34:12.000The thing about being a vegan is you can get your protein, but I think the proteins at the end of the day or whenever they start to cohesion, they sort of can't, they pick up where the other ones left off.
00:34:24.000So beans are one, nuts have protein, and when you add enough of that, you'll get a complete protein.
00:34:28.000But meat is a very calorie dense, energy dense, complete protein.
00:34:35.000And most, by the way, most cultures, and you know this from the guy you had on, I'm sure he talked about it with the paleo diet, most hunter-gatherer cultures, the way we came up, we were strictly carnivores.
00:34:44.000I mean, if you look at where we went hunting, try planting anything there.
00:34:47.000You would have had to live off animal Protein for the most part.
00:35:08.000It was a really cool show where you'd go like, he went where Lewis and Clark went and he shot a moose and made a boat out of the moose and fucking shot a moose with a musket.
00:35:24.000I talked about it with Ari Shafir already.
00:35:27.000But we went to Montana to what used to be the Great Inland Western Sea.
00:35:32.000The Great Western Inland Sea, which is fascinating.
00:35:34.000We went to a part where even Lewis and Clark said, as they went through it, they were like, we think we saw some signs of Native Americans.
00:35:40.000I mean, not even the Native Americans lived there.
00:35:42.000It was a hunting ground, but you couldn't live there because you could grow nothing.
00:35:57.000Right, but you could actually climb it because it was made of clay, and it stuck to your feet.
00:36:01.000Well, it was really difficult when you were on the edges because it was just so slippery, and your feet would weigh so much because the bottoms would be caked with this shit.
00:37:03.000Yeah, that's what we're talking about.
00:37:04.000Like anything you do, whether it's martial arts or wrestling.
00:37:08.000It's why they tell you if you want to bodybuild, you've got to change it up because you confuse your central nervous system so your body doesn't learn to use the same muscles over and over again, right?
00:37:15.000So now your body's like confused and it goes, well, we've got to use these muscles now.
00:37:21.000Yeah, don't like the CrossFit people believe in that as well.
00:37:24.000That's like their idea is you do something different all the time.
00:37:26.000Yeah, and fitness so your body gets a comprehensive strength, you know, sort of an all-around strength.
00:37:34.000They're kind of controversial too, though.
00:37:35.000The controversy behind the CrossFit people is that some people, like Steve, that you should ever be doing powerlifting exercises with great repetitions like that.
00:37:44.000They're designed for big explosive movements, moving heavy things with correct form and building up You know, your core and your explosive power.
00:37:51.000Most of the people I know who did CrossFit...
00:37:55.000In fact, a lot of pro athletes that I've talked to don't do it as much because, first of all, it's a little bit...
00:37:59.000It's so much on your body that a lot of times they weren't having energy for their practices or their games, and it keeps you torn down.
00:38:08.000Now, there are some ridiculously fit athletes, and I think it's a great program, and I try to do it as much as possible, but I do think that the athletes I've talked to, the fighters and even the football players, are like, well...
00:38:19.000You gotta move at your own pace with that stuff.
00:38:23.000You can't try to keep up with those dudes because those extreme CrossFit dudes, they get like deep, deep, deep into the game to the point where they can do just ridiculous sets with 225, they're clean and jerking for 20 reps, and then they're doing 20 chin-ups.
00:38:53.000Like, if I think about it, my heart starts beating fast.
00:38:55.000Where you got 95 pounds, you go into a squat thrust, a thruster, so you go down into the squat position, throw it up over your head, you do that 21 times, go into 21 pull-ups, 15 thrusters, 15 pull-ups, 9 thrusters, 9 pull-ups.
00:39:10.000And the idea is if you do a sub, if you do that under 3 minutes, you're in ridiculous shape.
00:39:15.000But even doing it, try doing it in under 7 or 8 and you'll be on the ground.
00:41:50.000Well, I couldn't, the first time, I couldn't get him into focus the first time I went to shoot it because my eye was too close to the scope.
00:41:57.000And then I realized what I was doing wrong.
00:41:59.000I was like, oh, what am I doing over there, stupid?
00:43:38.000I haven't done that in a long time, man.
00:43:40.000And the crazy thing is that we both talk about how you have energy all day.
00:43:45.000Like, even though you're not eating the best food, I mean, we had good food.
00:43:49.000We had, like, camp food, like apples, and we had, like, beef jerky, and we had freeze-dried meals that we would have for dinner and protein bars and stuff like that.
00:44:25.000We're trying to adapt, and I think future generations will probably have some physical capabilities that we don't have.
00:44:33.000One theory about autism is the fact that we're now...
00:44:37.000You have these hyper-autistic people who are high-functioning.
00:44:41.000They can take in a tremendous amount of stimulus, see a room, and count everything in it that fast.
00:44:47.000This guy, Juan Enriquez, was saying on TED.com, he's a venture capitalist scientist, and he said...
00:44:54.000It may be that our brains, because we're exposed in such a short period of time to 500 times the stimulus that our – we see more in one day than our ancestors saw in a lifetime as far as just the amount of stimulus, the amount of sounds, the thoughts that are crammed into our brains just through visual stimuli and auditory stimuli.
00:45:13.000Our brains very well may already be evolving to match and coordinate with this ever-changing, exponentially growing environment.
00:45:23.000Well, that's what I'm wondering about, like, with Wi-Fi signals and cellular signals and all the different...
00:45:58.000Remember, aliens is air, so that's what the Wi-Fi signal is, like we talked about yesterday.
00:46:03.000I honestly think all this stuff is edging us toward becoming one with the machines, for real, and then ultimately, to that effect, creating this sort of universal connectedness, you know?
00:46:14.000We're not going to be biological for very long.
00:46:16.000I wonder if we're ever going to evolve some ability to tune in to these signals without adding something to the body, without adding a chip.
00:46:25.000How fucked would it be if the human...
00:46:27.000I think we are going to add chips way before that question arises.
00:47:59.000We only accept it if it's legit, if it's natural.
00:48:04.000That's when we accept things, when they're natural.
00:48:07.000I know, but you know, if you look at...
00:48:09.000We've been, for example, genetically modifying...
00:48:14.000Crops like corn and things that you would never recognize what corn was 200-300 years ago.
00:48:19.000It's a different, you know, everything that you eat, everything including the animals you eat, have been genetically fucked with to become more productive in their output.
00:48:30.000And isn't ultimately, I mean, we're calling it natural, what's natural and not natural, but isn't everything that human beings do natural?
00:48:39.000Just as natural as the process of making honey.
00:48:41.000But the other question, the other issue is that, yes, the idea of natural and biology is going to change when we realize that this human being that I'm looking at is a machine, like anything else.
00:48:53.000In fact, a rather rudimentary machine, maybe 300 years from now, or 200 years from now, or 50 years from now, It may very well be that once we figure out exactly how the machine works with the genome and all these other ideas, well, I guess I can make now even a more complex machine.
00:49:09.000So in the end of the day, if that machine is just as biological but more complex than this rusty old machine that breaks down after 90 years or whatever, Well, I don't know.
00:49:20.000I don't know what biology means anymore.
00:49:22.000What happens to the bacteria that exists in the biological organism?
00:50:43.000From the beginning of human history to the moment they figured out how to roll things on logs, they have made it more and more and more and more complex.
00:51:55.000It's when you're in the canoe and you're rowing.
00:51:58.000You look up in the hills and if you see game, you got the game eye.
00:52:03.000They called me game eye and the cashmere killer because I was wearing three layers of cashmere hunting deer and freezing my fucking tail off still.
00:52:19.000There was a time, I mean, it's such a disrespectful moment because we're actually butchering the deer.
00:52:24.000But as we're butchering this deer, we're cutting into sections and Brian, I don't know what possessed him, but he got into this thing of jerking off into the ravine.
00:52:36.000My character was the ravine So he starts doing this character where he's angry about stuff with his tongue sticking out of the side of his mouth and he's just jerking off into the ravine.
00:52:44.000And it was so preposterous for what was happening.
00:52:47.000Here we are like skinning this animal and hawking, chopping sections off of him.
00:56:31.000If I had listened to them, I would have been better off.
00:56:35.000Yeah, there's a lot of things that people I like really love and I could not care less if it existed, whether it's sports or certain types of music.
00:56:43.000And I could love these people to death and whatever their opinion is.
00:56:49.000Eddie Brown was always trying to turn me on to some new electronic band.
00:56:53.000Four out of five of them are pretty decent.
00:56:56.000But every now and then, he's into some shit that I'm not into.
00:57:25.000And also, like, musicians a lot of times are listening to something different than we are.
00:57:28.000Like, they hear more than we do, or they're just more in tune with something innovative.
00:57:33.000Well, just Eddie has a very specific style that he fucking loves.
00:57:36.000And, you know, he's very creative, man.
00:57:39.000I mean, his own music is like, if you're into that style of music...
00:57:43.000Eddie does some really top-notch shit, and now he does it with this dude, Compella.
00:57:46.000They have this band called Smoke Serpent, and Compella, who's a really good rapper, raps over it, and Eddie puts his music on in the background.
00:57:54.000And his thing has always been that he always loved hip-hop, but he didn't like the kind of music that was in the background of hip-hop.
00:58:00.000He didn't like that whole sampling thing.
00:58:04.000He's got that sort of electronic, smashing pumpkin sort of vibe of music.
00:58:45.000We were doing something that was very unusual for two guys that are in their 40s with kids, living in L.A., in the entertainment business, sort of.
00:58:54.000I'm sort of still in the entertainment business.
01:00:58.000That's the weirdest thing about what it is, is when you do this sort of what they call immersion hunting, we basically went into the wild, like the real, legitimate wild.
01:02:25.000We have a real disconnect to the food we eat.
01:02:28.000You go to a McDonald's and you're eating a steer that was maybe killed I don't know how many months ago and then skinned by some stranger and then quartered and put together and grinded and processed with other cows and it's a mixture of shit.
01:02:41.000Maybe some of the cows came from China.
01:02:43.000It's the same thing with chicken and stuff.
01:02:45.000There's a real disconnect with the animal protein that we eat.
01:02:53.000And one of the things I thought was, there were two things I found profound about not only killing a deer with that rifle, the force and the feeling of it, but also then butchering the meat.
01:03:05.000The intimate process of gutting a deer and harvesting the liver and the heart and then skinning it and cutting into that meat that you're going to eat, the heat, the heat from the inside of its body,
01:03:26.000And the intimate process The smell and the feel and the temperature, you really get a sense of the vast discrepancy between life and death and our own biology and how fragile we are.
01:03:41.000You see what a scalpel, what a small knife can do to muscle and skin and sinew.
01:03:48.000It's frightening how easy it is to gut a deer, which is a much stronger animal than I am.
01:03:53.000You know, it's just frightening to think about.
01:03:55.000So it creates in your own sort of viscera a sense of true vulnerability.
01:04:01.000And more importantly, like our own biology.
01:04:04.000And I then had a very strong understanding and idea of how easy it was for hunter-gatherer or even our very recent ancestors to kill another human being.
01:04:14.000Because when you kill an animal and you butcher it and you get that close to its body and its heart and its life force and then you see it go away.
01:04:23.000Killing a human being would be exactly the same thing in a lot of ways because it's just another animal.
01:04:28.000Now, obviously, we have different motifs on what a human being is.
01:04:31.000They have a conscience and all that and blah, blah, blah.
01:04:33.000But I'm just saying that I can understand how a hunter would make a very good and ready warrior.
01:05:12.000And it actually made me more respectful.
01:05:14.000It made me more respectful of deer, of the environment.
01:05:17.000Being with a hunter like Ryan or Steve, what you realize actually is that hunters, to be an effective hunter, the irony is you have to have a deep, deep respect, love, and understanding of deer.
01:05:30.000The animal, its behavior, and of the environment in which you are now a guest in.
01:06:20.000Well, this is weird because I always talk about being a libertarian and everything else, but then I realized the value and the importance of having strong regulation and rules.
01:06:29.000Because if you talk to hunters and people who really know, without really strong anti-poaching laws, for example, or really strong regulation by the Fish and Game Service, you would have Everybody that I've talked to agrees, you'd have major abuses by assholes just machine gunning the whole fucking side of that ridge when they saw rams,
01:06:51.000And in fact, American history and history in the Middle East certainly that I know of bears that out, that people always overhunted, they always overfished, and they continue to do that.
01:08:51.000That's the only argument I can see, you know.
01:08:53.000Maybe it's they recognize that that connection between taking that animal and butchering that animal is very close to the connection of taking a human life.
01:09:01.000My issue with hunting is I would not hunt a bear or a lion or something that I'm not going to eat.
01:10:46.000You know, we're always concerned with fattening up our own pockets, but unless we feed those poor people of Somalia, they're going to keep doing what they want to do.
01:15:03.000The whole thing was, living like that was really fascinating.
01:15:07.000And man, when we got back to that hotel room on the fifth day, we landed our boats, we traveled like 40-something miles by canoe, and every day it was like six miles hiking.
01:18:23.000She's so rare because she's so very dude-like.
01:18:27.000When you're having conversations with her, she's very dude-like.
01:18:31.000When she was describing to me situations like actress breakdowns and craziness and the kind of stuff that she has to manage, like being a director, sometimes it's like babysitting.
01:18:43.000We always hear, like, Kevin Pollack was on, Opie and Anthony yesterday, and was talking about some instance that he had on a set with Michael Clarke Duncan being a diva, and he told the whole story about it, even after the guy was dead, you know?
01:18:55.000But it's like, they all have these fucking stories.
01:18:58.000Like, every director, every person who works a set, they all have these nutty stories of something.
01:19:03.000Dove Davidoff just told me that he interviewed on his podcast Lorenzo Lamas.
01:19:08.000By the way, I just did Dove on my podcast on ManThoughts, which I'm posting today.
01:19:14.000He went to a psychiatrist, Dove, and you know what the psychiatrist said after 20 minutes?
01:21:52.000How the movie only made six million dollars and it's heartbreaking.
01:21:56.000Writing anything in life and, you know, doing a movie or anything that takes a long time, building a business, it's all an act of faith, man.
01:22:07.000The problem is you're dealing with a giant group of people and trying to, everybody's vision, trying to funnel them into, like, one sort of cohesive laser beam.
01:22:27.000Well, no, the reason I bring it up is he was talking about being governor for eight years and how fucking getting anything done was basically impossible.
01:22:37.000So he'd have a really common sense measure, let's say, measuring the groundwater for farmers because we can use more of that water to go, you know, we don't need all this water.
01:22:48.000Let's measure the groundwater, see how much you need, and we'll siphon the rest off in L.A. And the farmers look at him and go, oh, nah, it's not going to happen.
01:23:47.000As he was speaking, he was just so fair-minded.
01:23:51.000But common sense measures, common sense farming policy in this country where you don't subsidize huge factory farms, try doing that sometime.
01:24:27.000Yeah, constitutionally, the Bill of Rights used to also have a lot of shit, and it's not there anymore because of Patriot Act, NDAA. You could easily fix that, too.
01:24:37.000It just seems like the idea of a lobbyist, it should be completely illegal.
01:24:42.000It should be completely illegal that you can use money.
01:24:44.000There's something wrong with the fact that all those counties around Capitol Hill are the wealthiest counties and they don't produce a goddamn thing.
01:25:28.000The whole thing should be parsed down to some really simple language, and you need to get all outside influence out of it.
01:25:40.000It has to completely be the will of the people.
01:25:42.000And if people choose to act like in groups as far as like, you know, religious groups want to boycott things or, you know, certain people, gay and lesbian people want to support things so they support gay marriage, that's fine.
01:26:40.000You're influencing personal freedom for sure.
01:26:42.000How many people are in private prisons right now due to non-violent drug offenses that are a direct result of lobbyists pushing for certain things to remain illegal?
01:30:17.000If you go to a club to see music, it's never just live music and you take a guess as whether or not it's going to be hip-hop or country-western.
01:30:24.000But with stand-up comedy, we don't really have genres.
01:30:28.000You could call someone a shock comic, which is derogatory, really, to a lot of folks.
01:30:34.000But meanwhile, my favorite comics would be classified in the shock comic category.
01:32:04.000No, I was just thinking about how, you know, you're an actor and you have five scenes in a movie and you're like, whoa, you were great in that movie.
01:32:11.000You collectively are probably doing 10 or 15 minutes of actual activity, whereas when you do stand-up, you're up there for, you know, it's just a different, it's just a different thing.
01:33:58.000And McConaughey's doing, he's got a fucking leather thong and he's doing back bends and shit.
01:34:04.000But the character, I was watching, what bothered me was I was watching, I go, you know, as an actor, if I took that role, there's a lot I'd do with that role maybe, but I wouldn't because there's not a lot to do.
01:47:08.000When he was training for the Matt Hughes fight, you know, Kyle had a bunch of, he's another dude that had a bunch of prescription pill problems.
01:47:15.000And what happened was he tore his leg when he was training for a title shot back when Matt Hughes was champion.
01:48:21.000You know, when you're making your living off your body...
01:48:24.000Well, the other thing about training, you know, as you get older, and a lot of guys who have been training a long time, you want to go in and blow yourself to bits in the gym.
01:48:33.000Actually, what happens is, by the time you're 40, a lot of times, You're having major problems with your hips or your knees and stuff like that.
01:48:41.000So a huge part of exercise is knowing when to stop and doing just enough.
01:48:45.000If you look at people's bodies, like athletes and stuff, you realize no matter how strong they are, we are fucking fragile, man.
01:48:51.000Bone and cartilage doesn't really do well under duress.
01:48:54.000Yeah, well, there's just certain parts of your body that break.
01:48:57.000You know, there's nothing you can do about it.
01:51:40.000So they take like a third of it, and they have a piece of bone from your shin where it attaches, and a piece of bone from your kneecap where it attaches there.
01:51:47.000And then they open you up like a fish, and then they screw it into the bottom of your leg.
01:52:22.000And you also have to make sure that during that process you don't re-injure yourself because you still essentially have no ACL on that side.
01:54:24.000They fought on Fox, and Kane stood up with him a little bit too long, and Junior just winged a bomb at him and caught him right in the temple and dropped him.
01:54:31.000Well, the problem is when you're not wearing gloves, and those guys, when you guys hit that hard, I don't care what your head looks like.
01:59:22.000He was, I was just fucking thinking about bears.
01:59:24.000Because as it got down to like the last couple weeks, we were like, we're really going to go camping with these crazy animals in the middle of nowhere?
02:03:25.000When we were in Montana, we actually encountered a douchebag at a restaurant that was berating us about Obama as if he knew we were voting for Obama.
02:03:34.000It wasn't just that he wanted us to vote for Romney.
02:03:56.000We were still dirty from the road, okay?
02:03:58.000We hadn't shaved, we hadn't washed, we hadn't bathed in five days.
02:04:03.000And we were driving from the river to Billings, which is about two and a half hours, and we stopped and got some food at this diner in the middle of fucking nowhere.
02:05:38.000You know, and to see, like, a guy like Obama get into office and have everybody so fucking mad at him and everybody, like, all these white people just, like, so furious.
02:05:48.000Having said that, though, the people that did elect him were white people.
02:05:53.000Yeah, like, white people read books, but the white people who don't read books, those white people hate him.
02:05:59.000It's interesting when they listen to, like, I'm not saying that Obama's a saint, and I'm not saying that I'm a supporter, but Because I certainly was a supporter before he got into office.
02:06:07.000But then I think I like him as a human being.
02:06:17.000The one thing he said, they said, what is the one thing we don't know about you?
02:06:20.000And he said, I believe the free enterprise system is the most important, something to the effect of it's the most important thing for a high standard of living.
02:06:33.000And so I don't think he is this far left guy.
02:06:38.000I actually think he's very much in the middle and a very sensible guy.
02:06:41.000And I think the more I read about his policies, I happen to agree with his foreign policy vis-a-vis Iran and other places more than I do with Romney.
02:06:48.000I just think he's more reasonable, man.
02:06:50.000Yeah, he's a very smart guy, but the issue is that I can't really...
02:06:54.000I don't really see him being able to do what anybody...
02:06:58.000I don't think there's any one person that has any real say.
02:07:02.000Well, there never has been in our government.
02:07:04.000You're not supposed to, but I know what you're saying.
02:07:05.000But I'm saying it's like all the different things that he wanted to do before he got into office, closed Guantanamo Bay, when he said he would veto the NDAA, all the different things.
02:07:31.000What you said is that the biggest thing is most people don't feel represented.
02:07:37.000You feel like if you vote for Romney or you vote for Obama, it's not going to make that much of a difference because you're kind of voting for the same guy in some ways.
02:07:44.000Yeah, the special interests have moved into the position of power that is clearly stronger and more influential than the will of the people.
02:07:51.000A president though can have a big, big effect on who gets elected to the Supreme Court.
02:07:55.000Yes, and socially they have an impact on...
02:08:24.000There's some shit when McCain and Obama were campaigning where it was clearly...
02:08:30.000campaigning talk it was clearly like speeches but there was a moment when Obama was talking about Afghanistan and McCain went like you don't even know what you're talking about like you're describing an area that hasn't changed much since the time of Alexander the Great like this idea that you're gonna go in there and just take over the land like you're that's crazy talk like you know and McCain the way did it it was like whoa whoa whoa son was like this was a serious topic All that fucking campaigning bullshit aside,
02:08:58.000you're talking about what I did for a living.
02:09:50.000So it all stays moving along in the same way.
02:09:52.000The question also becomes this, though.
02:09:54.000If indeed you have special interest and you're always going to have smart people that figure out a way to manipulate the machine, Then is the answer to make the machine less influential?
02:10:04.000Meaning, do you make the machine smaller?
02:10:25.000When I say I'm a conservative, I just believe...
02:10:28.000That the state shouldn't be involved in who I just choose to marry, whether it's Channing Tatum, Matthew McConaughey, or fucking, you know, a girl.
02:10:57.000I don't know why the government can't.
02:11:00.000I don't know why I always have to get...
02:11:02.000The minute I'm at a dinner party in Los Angeles and I start talking about small government or a conservative idea, I get labeled immediately as somebody who is against gay marriage, against abortion.
02:12:31.000Well, let's take a couple of ethical arguments about it.
02:12:35.000Let's take a severely retarded human being, somebody who can't feed themselves, somebody who can't even breathe on their own.
02:12:42.000And if you were to kill that person, if I were to go and smother that person with a pillow, even though they don't have any feeling and parts that they can't communicate, Then what would happen is I'd go to jail for murder.
02:12:53.000You take a fetus that is not yet even developed with its hands and head, however it reacts to pain.
02:13:00.000We know it is on its way to becoming a human being, and in a lot of aspects it's a human being, just a severely underdeveloped human being.
02:13:08.000To kill that very small creature that is living, that does respond to stimuli, does respond to pain, and continues to do so in more and more of what we would consider independent human fashion, Why is that not murder?
02:13:35.000I do respect that because you can make a very strong biological argument that that human being is just as human as you are in a lot of ways.
02:13:43.000You just have to be independent, more independent.
02:13:47.000You're not relying on a human being to keep you alive.
02:13:50.000Well, we're never going to figure out how to fix that until we figure out how to fix the dirty trick of fucking equals making people.
02:13:58.000That is a dirty goddamn trick that we need to address.
02:14:01.000Because you have this unbelievable desire to fuck, but yet fucking makes people.
02:14:07.000And you can fuck when you're like 13. But we don't have to run from jaguars every day.
02:14:11.000We're not getting chased down by crocodiles.
02:14:13.000We don't need this many fucking people.
02:14:15.000Well, not only do you not need this many people, my other argument for being pro-choice is that you're going to take care of that kid?
02:14:22.000You're going to take care of that child who just got pregnant by a woman who has no money who doesn't want that baby?
02:15:10.000The bulk of science would be like, well, Yeah, well, that's why I'm interested to see how he figures that in.
02:15:18.000The problem is that in Africa, they're not doing drugs and they're wasting away of HIV. Yeah, I think the Africa thing, though, apparently they're not even getting tested for HIV. They have AIDS, and that could be a variety of things, including poor nutrition.
02:16:12.000This is when they had AZT and I watched them all die.
02:16:14.000Yeah, that was one of the main points.
02:16:15.000And I watched them die in a very humiliating and a very terrible way.
02:16:19.000Do you know that AZT is a cancer medication that they stopped giving to chemo patients because it was killing them quicker than not having it?
02:16:24.000Well, I don't know, but I do know that a lot of these people went the alternative route and everything else.
02:16:29.000I know a couple of people that stopped doing it.
02:16:32.000And then along came a guy, I believe, by the name of David Ho, who was a scientist, who was Man of the Year, Time Magazine's Man of the Year, who invented a little something called protease inhibitors.
02:16:41.000Protease inhibitors make the cell wall, I guess the helper T cell, very slick.
02:16:46.000They coat it with a Teflon so that the virus cannot latch onto that cell.
02:17:27.000I believe what Deuceburg's point is that the only reason why the HIV wasn't fought off by their immune system was that their immune system was destroyed by the use of drugs.
02:17:38.000Meth, amyl nitrates, a bunch of different things.
02:17:40.000I'm going to ask him about why Juan Enriquez talks about the bulk of the science is that the reason that it never became a white European disease, why didn't white men, straight men get it, but a lot of them got it in Africa?
02:17:54.000Why was it a heterosexual disease in Africa?
02:17:57.000Why was it not a heterosexual disease in Africa?
02:17:59.000The Middle East and in Europe and in America.
02:18:02.000Well, they just isolated a gene that if you are of Northern European, Middle Eastern, even North African heritage, you have a gene that saved you from the black plagues that hit Europe and rolled through all the Fertile Crescent.
02:18:22.000I can't remember the name of the gene.
02:18:23.000That gene makes you very resistant to the HIV virus, to contracting it through regular sex.
02:18:31.000The only straight men, for the most part, if you look at the army statistics and stuff, who got HIV were guys who were intravenous drug users using infected needles and they were putting it directly into their bloodstream.
02:18:44.000The gay men that survived the epidemic were men who were doing the fucking not getting fucked.
02:18:50.000Those were the men that survived the epidemic.
02:19:13.000And the people that you said fought it off were the people that were very resilient physically because they had excellent genes that they had gotten from surviving the Black Plague.
02:19:24.000So their immune system would be very strong.
02:19:26.000Unless you were getting it injected into your body directly through the semen, through your anus, or through...
02:19:35.000Did you just laugh after you said anus?
02:19:41.000So why would Duisberg, who is a University of California biologist, a tenured professor, why would he not know this?
02:19:50.000Well, I don't know if he knows it, but I'm going to bring it up to him.
02:19:53.000And the other thing that I'm going to ask Duisberg is this.
02:19:55.000Hey, how come the majority of scientists all over the world and all the money that goes into these protease inhibitors, why do protease inhibitors work?
02:21:42.000But what he says is everyone in the field knows that there's at least some dissension over whether there's evidence that HIV is the probable cause of AIDS. Is there somewhere in the literature that there's scientific evidence presented that HIV is the probable cause of AIDS? And if there is, where is it?
02:21:58.000Who should be attributed with the scientific evidence supporting that statement, HIV is a probable cause of AIDS? Let me tell you something.
02:22:04.000This guy, the fact that he just said that, if that's what he indeed said.
02:22:21.000Does HIV really cause AIDS? If you just Google, does HIV really cause AIDS? I think that argument's been put to rest in 2012. Well, yeah, this is 1994. It seems like a lot of people had some questions about it.
02:23:35.000I may disagree with someone on some things, and we may disagree and argue about stuff on the podcast, but...
02:23:41.000In order to find out what someone really believes about something, sometimes you have to not question it so much as to sort of probe and let them keep going.
02:23:50.000And people are like, why don't you call them out on that?
02:23:53.000I'm like, I want to hear what their logic is.
02:23:55.000I want to hear what their thought process is.
02:23:56.000You know, when I have such strong political, like I'll get heated if you start talking about how, you know, you start giving me left-wing solutions to like economic solutions to things.
02:24:19.000Sometimes I have to check myself and go, how much of this is attitude and how I've been raised to actually really stopping and looking at facts?
02:24:32.000What's the hunting thing that changed?
02:24:34.000No, I just have a newfound respect for the importance of regulation and strong laws that make it very clear that you can't...
02:24:44.000You can't trust hunters to be libertarian about their hunting practices necessarily because you get a lot of people out there in this world.
02:24:54.000The majority of real hunters are very responsible, but you get a lot of jerk-offs who go out there and just want a machine gun ship.
02:25:00.000I think that the hunters, I think the anti-hunting people, ultimately the sentiment, the idea behind what they're saying, what offends them about hunting is noble.
02:25:11.000Because I think what they're trying to do is protect animals from ruthless people, and I think that they're of the mind that we can get along in harmony with nature.
02:25:20.000And that they know that in their own personal experiences they've had beautiful moments.
02:25:24.000They've seen wildlife and they didn't have to kill it.
02:25:26.000So I think ultimately even the vegans...
02:25:29.000You also don't want an animal to suffer.
02:26:05.000Not gourd, the bull didn't have sharp horns, and they let these bulls just fucking hit them and throw them over their backs, and they do flips, and they were total badasses.
02:26:14.000But either way, I just didn't want to see an animal suffer.
02:26:17.000That's a horrible aspect of human nature.
02:26:18.000Yeah, I didn't want to see a fucking defenseless animal writhe in pain.
02:26:25.000But, you know, so we have to, then the argument is like, okay, well then you've got to look at the vegetarian or the vegan argument.
02:26:33.000Well, they're trying to be as free of this negative karma of murdering—well, you shouldn't say murdering because I guess murdering is only people killing animals.
02:26:40.000Veganism is a form of religion in some ways, right?
02:27:20.000And if you did, they wouldn't have any natural predators.
02:27:22.000The big question that fucking awesome Ray Kurzweil said is, listen, very, very soon we're going to be cloning meat that has no animal suffering.
02:27:34.000We're going to be cloning meat with no central nervous system.
02:27:46.000You ever see, like, salmon that you buy that hasn't been dyed pink?
02:27:50.000Ever see those weak-ass prison-bitch salmon?
02:27:53.000Yeah, but what I'm saying is that at the end of the day, I think technology is going to give you the greatest tasting everything without animal suffering, and meat's going to be just like anything else.
02:28:03.000You're going to buy a meatball that was grown in some fucking farm.
02:28:07.000I wonder if it's possible to get the subtle nuances of a good grass-fed steak.
02:29:00.000We're going to use this artificial, non-biological meat.
02:29:04.000Or they'll be able to figure out a way to put all those nuances in it.
02:29:07.000And when they do, the first people that eat it are going to get cancer of the dick immediately.
02:29:12.000I wonder, it seems like how long can you keep tricking the system?
02:29:16.000Well, the only way we're going to feed as many people as we do as we get into nine, ten billion people in the middle of the century is with genetically modified foods.
02:29:25.000You're not going to do it any other way.
02:29:41.000Isn't the most important thing to figure out how to make these places less poor?
02:29:47.000You know, like, when you look at all the poverty in the world and all these people that are in these incredibly overpopulated areas, like, how does one ever manage the human...
02:30:02.000We're already growing far more food per hectare than we ever have with technology and making it more nutrient dense.
02:30:09.000So the idea actually is to create staples of crops like rice that is as nutritious as a root vegetable like a sweet potato.
02:30:17.000So your thing is to take these people who live in these poor places and make them farmers?
02:30:21.000No, actually you'll need less farmers and you'll need less pesticides because what you'll do is you'll genetically modify these foods to, and they're already doing this, to resist the need for artificial pesticides because they have built-in resistance to the pests that are indigenous to that area.
02:30:39.000Genetically modified foods get such a bad rap, but that's the future.
02:30:43.000We're not going to feed people without it.
02:30:45.000Do you think that the thing with taking these genetically modified foods and copywriting them and making sure that people have, you know, making sure that the seeds can't grow back, suicide seeds?
02:31:06.000It's a really interesting question, though, because, like, you're right, but if you spend a lot of time in a laboratory and you create the most nutritious rice kernel in the world, then people can live on just rice.
02:31:16.000Well, then, if that was all your hard work, I guess you should own the rights to the seed, right?
02:31:22.000Well, maybe you should just get a cut forever.
02:31:24.000Yeah, because otherwise people wouldn't...
02:31:26.000The incentive to develop that is not only just a humanitarian one, but it's also a profit motive incentive.
02:31:31.000That's why you put billions of dollars into the research to recoup it.
02:31:34.000But what about cross-pollination and shit like that, like the issues that they deal with farmers living in nearby communities that don't have their crops when they sue them?
02:31:56.000And crops have continued, farmers from the beginning of time have done everything they can to make their particular crop more nutritious, more calorie rich, more dense, more energy efficient.
02:32:14.000They're just trying to engineer in durability.
02:32:16.000And who knows, as far as the vitamin content of one of those pale-ass tomatoes.
02:32:20.000Yeah, but the marketplace, there are a lot of people in the marketplace that want a tomato that's going to taste good as well, so there's an incentive to create a good-tasting tomato.
02:32:29.000Have you ever really had a real tomato though, like a Jersey beef steak tomato?
02:33:43.000They were up in the middle of this fucking, like, they have to cross this glacial river where the runoff from the glacier, they shot an animal on the other side, so they had to cross it.
02:33:54.000Like, what we did is like a really safe hunt for that guy.
02:36:07.000Yeah, there's a lot of money behind trying to keep marijuana illegal.
02:36:13.000And there was something that I retweeted, I think yesterday, that was listing all the different people that are involved in working hard to keep marijuana illegal.
02:37:36.000If you look at my Twitter timeline, they have young boys, they have them pee, and then they boil eggs in this young boy pee, and they eat it all day.
02:37:46.000They say it keeps them healthy, and it's great for the skin.
02:38:04.000They actually crack the eggshell so that the urine seeps into the egg itself, not just heats it up from the outside, seeps in and simmers for hours and hours in piss.
02:39:29.000I love that you have, as your influence has grown, you've done nothing but take care of your friends and people around you and try to make a world a better place.
02:40:00.000We have to be very careful about going to war with these people.
02:40:04.000It's like somebody who came up with a gimmick to sell eggs.
02:40:16.000It takes a full day to prepare the snack, starting off with collecting urine from boys' toilets.
02:40:22.000Then the eggs are soaked and boiled in a pot of urine, after which the shells are cracked and the eggs are simmered in the same urine for hours.
02:40:32.000Those who snack on the eggs say they help decrease body heat and promote better blood circulation that can make one feel reinvigorated.
02:40:40.000Our ancestors were already doing this.
02:40:45.000By eating these eggs, we will not have any pain on our waist, legs and joints.
02:40:52.000Also, you'll have more energy when you do work.
02:41:02.000Other people like it because they have this tradition in Dongyang that these eggs are nourishment for our health and that it would help prevent things like getting a cold.
02:43:58.000The one thing that really is really unique to China is that a huge area of land speaks one language, Mandarin Chinese.
02:44:05.000And there's almost no other example like that in the world.
02:44:07.000However, that's because the Yangtze and the Yellow River were able to bring ideas and commerce and language to all different parts of China.
02:44:17.000And so China became this uniform powerhouse as a result of that.
02:44:21.000What's more fascinating to me is how they all look Chinese.
02:44:41.000The food production, domestication of animals created huge city centers, and it concentrated a great deal of people in one area.
02:44:49.000I love how when you see northern Russia and Siberia, it gets really Chinese looking.
02:44:54.000Well, I was in Kyrgyzstan, and if you talk to people from Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan, which are the areas kind of like right where part of Russia used to be, they look very, very high cheekbones, very Asian.
02:45:31.000If you want to know where the fuck guys like Scottie Pippen and Michael Jordan come from, I don't care what anybody says, they are these beautiful, these fucking six foot seven, seven foot people in the Sudan.
02:46:00.000How did the pygmies of the Congo arise?
02:46:03.000There are a lot of theories on the biology of why people do it, but a lot of it had to do with how isolated that gene pool was.
02:46:13.000For example, Polynesian people, very isolated for a long period of time.
02:46:19.000In Hawaii and especially Tonga and Samoa, up until I think it was the late 1700s, early 1800s, they'd never been contacted by white people.
02:46:29.000Do you know what's interesting about islands is that animals tend to dwarf on islands, but lizards tend to grow towards giant size.
02:46:38.000Yeah, that's why the Komodo dragons became like enormous lizards.
02:46:42.000They were isolated to the Komodo islands.
02:46:43.000But like pygmy elephants and shit like that.
02:46:50.000The hobbit people, those Homo florensis, those little tiny human beings that lived alongside people, that's also like an episode of island dwarfism.
02:47:21.000Well, that guy, you know, comparing this conversation we were having earlier with, like, some fucking fat doughy guy, you know, some Gabriel Iglesias guy, and, you know, like, physically, if they're going to get in an MMA fight, one of them is cheating already.
02:56:38.000If you don't want to do that, ladies and gentlemen, if you want to come down to the Ice House, we'll be getting our freak on, getting our warm-up on, getting fired up for this weekend.