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00:08:16.000Yeah, and you know, it's like, I think that's part of how religion got a stronghold on humanity, because that reality of all these different things that you don't know, and so much out there that it's...
00:08:32.000There was a quote by Terence McKenna about...
00:08:37.000I think it was his brother Dennis, actually, that said it.
00:08:39.000About expanding the field of vision just really shows you more of what you don't know.
00:08:47.000And that if you have a campfire, the brighter the campfire, the more darkness is revealed.
00:08:53.000And it's not that you ever uncover it all.
00:08:56.000The more information you take in, the more...
00:09:00.000It gets more and more confusing to the point where the real comfort comes in simplicity.
00:09:09.000The idea of embracing simplicity, especially in this day and age, it's pretty popular because it feels good to pretend that You know, like fucking life's a John Wayne movie.
00:09:17.000It feels good to pretend that this stuff makes sense, where the more you look at life and the more you look at all the different variables, and then the fact that we're finite beings, just that alone is the ultimate mindfuck.
00:09:30.000That no matter how well you do, you know, you have a short amount of time in this spot, in this dimension.
00:09:37.000So, the most noble aspects of religion, I've always defended the noble aspects of religion because I've seen it do good things to people that have issues.
00:09:47.000I've seen it used as a scaffolding for developing good ethical and moral behavior.
00:09:53.000But the worst aspects of it are always the insistence on limiting information, the insistence on slowing the...
00:10:02.000And it's not all religion, by the way, folks, and I'm not blaming all...
00:10:05.000But I'm saying there's an aspect, let's not even call it religion, there's an aspect of human nature, when you're in a position of power, and all of a sudden there's information that's coming at you, so you control a bunch of people.
00:10:16.000Which, by the way, if you run a school, or if you're a preacher, You're in a position of power.
00:10:22.000You might not think of it as a position of power.
00:10:24.000You might think of it as a position of teaching, but you're clearly in a position of power.
00:10:29.000And it's just very unfortunate that when human beings get to that spot where there's one person controlling another person or in charge of speaking more than the other people, They want to, like, hold that and manipulate it.
00:10:41.000And if information comes in, contrary to what they've been teaching, they fight that fucking shit tooth and nail.
00:10:47.000And unfortunately, it happens even in the lowest levels of academia.
00:11:01.000We want to think that, like, when you go way back to, like, Galileo getting house arrest for saying that the Earth wasn't the center of the universe...
00:11:07.000You want to think, yeah, but that was then.
00:12:13.000If you just throw away that word, what's going on?
00:12:17.000Well, obviously things are improving right in front of us all the time, constantly.
00:12:20.000Whether it's social things, whether it's the physical capabilities of human beings, you know, the size of lions in Africa that get stuck on an island.
00:12:30.000When things have to get better or they have to get better at something in order to improve, they do.
00:12:36.000And it seems like that's going on from the moment the Big Bang happened to the cooling of these planets to the time where You can support liquid water to the emergence of life.
00:12:46.000There's a constant series of complications or a constant process of things being more and more complicated.
00:13:01.000Say, maybe there's a God, and maybe what God does is just plant seeds, just like we do when we make a tomato plant.
00:13:09.000We're not involved in the entire process.
00:13:10.000Maybe the God is the seed planter of the universe, but the motion and the way that everything goes is sort of undeniable.
00:13:18.000It becomes more and more complex, and when you have people that are in positions of power that insist on using information that's really fucking old.
00:13:27.000Well, I mean, it's the nature of the business, right?
00:13:29.000If you are in a position of power, anything that threatens it is a threat to you.
00:14:00.000There was this one guy, very early Christianity, Carpo Kratis or some weird Greek name like that, that I think second century Christianity, who argued that the way to heaven went through sex orgies.
00:15:17.000He proposed that there was just these wild psychedelic drug orgies and that they would take mushrooms and have these orgies and that before, you know, when they really couldn't identify who was the father because they were all being polyamorous, as it were.
00:15:33.000Having sex with a bunch of different people.
00:15:35.000But McKenna, I always felt like there was a little bit of wistfulness in those concepts that I felt like, well, you look at McKenna and you're like, it's probably hard for that guy to get pussy when he was young.
00:15:46.000He probably concocted some wacky-ass theories of...
00:18:43.000Well, I think it's strengthening my immune system because I do these shows and after the shows I'll shake hands with like hundreds of people.
00:18:49.000Because after the shows I wait in line and I take pictures with everybody.
00:18:52.000I just feel like, you know, it's only a couple more hours of my time and it's...
00:18:58.000I'm so fortunate in so many ways that I feel like I have...
00:20:55.000And this was her website that really shocked the world.
00:20:58.000Speaking of photos, just so you guys know why guests may seem distracted and weird, right behind Joe's head, there's this giant picture of a girl with very generous cleavage.
00:21:39.000When I was a younger man, I would have loved them so.
00:21:41.000But now I look at them and I say, they look great and everything, but I can't get past the irony or the ridiculousness of the fact that there's a bag of water under your nipple.
00:23:34.000When people paint their whole body so they're fucking naked and you have paint on and your tits are out and you're just wandering around at a party.
00:23:41.000Guys with their girlfriends, they've found a loophole for showing their tits.
00:24:40.000I mean, it's just like we have, what, San Fernando Valley is world capital of porn, but at the same time, if a woman gets topless on the beach, it's considered indecent exposure and you go to jail.
00:27:26.000A guy was arrested for that very thing.
00:27:28.000In Springfield, Virginia, a guy named Eric Williamson was arrested and charged with indecent exposure for failing to put on any clothes after getting up at 5.30am to make some coffee.
00:31:33.000You know, it's awesome because all the sexual stuff is, it's hilarious because, especially in Christianity, because Jesus doesn't really talk about sex.
00:31:41.000I mean, there's like one minor reference where people think actually it was a joke and he was trying to say the opposite, but in any case, It's a known issue.
00:32:16.000Wouldn't it be funny if it was just a big misunderstanding and the dummies came along, oh, we've got to throw rocks at them, and then it became that.
00:32:23.000It was like if two guys are lying around together, like, you listen, if you want to get really comfortable with each other, you've got to get high first.
00:35:59.000Because what happens is, well, beside Muslim invasions in the north to destroy a bunch of temples and all that shit, but then the way Hinduism reacts to it is brilliant.
00:36:07.000In the West, when Protestantism comes out of Catholicism, they kill each other for 200 years.
00:36:13.000When Buddhism comes out, Hinduism starts checking out what they do, and then they steal a bunch of their ideas, they bring them back into their thing.
00:36:20.000So if somebody's Hindu, they see the Buddhist thing, it's like, oh, we already do some of that shit, I don't need to switch religions.
00:36:26.000So they just blatantly borrow from it, and so less and less people in India had any need to convert, because they could find room for that stuff within Hinduism.
00:36:35.000Oh, that's sort of how Christianity absorbed a lot of pagans with changing their holidays.
00:36:42.000Like the Christmas religion or the Christmas holiday and making that Jesus' birthday when Jesus is really supposed to be born in June or something, right?
00:37:02.000The Buddhists had a lot of fucking cool ideas.
00:37:04.000What was it about Buddhism that was so...
00:37:08.000There's no other religion that I know that is so intent on the cleansing of consciousness.
00:37:16.000And the purity of thought, the idea of meditation and isolating your consciousness to clear out all these impractical ideas like material wealth and the need for sexual satisfaction.
00:37:32.000All those different things managed through Buddhism.
00:39:07.000Like, okay, just to you, whoever you are, if you're a cockblocker, if you're one of those guys that tries to fuck your friends' girlfriends or you get jealous when your friend's successful and you talk shit about him behind his back and you stab him in the back...
00:40:59.000Yeah, it's the management of your energy.
00:41:02.000That is the most important aspect of living this life.
00:41:07.000Managing your energy and managing to keep it somehow, keeping your thoughts, keeping your consciousness, your focus in a good direction, in a healthy direction.
00:42:12.000I don't get it, but I love Tim Ferriss.
00:42:14.000So, I found things that stimulate me, for whatever reason, and those are the things that I pursue.
00:42:23.000So, I'm constantly motivated and energized by my activities.
00:42:27.000All the things that I do, like, I've had jobs before, and even a job like Fear Factor, which was a great job, still, I would be like, what the fuck am I doing here, man?
00:42:38.000This is not what I would rather be doing.
00:42:41.000If you could figure out a way to live your life where everything you're doing is what you want to do at that moment, that's a really difficult thing to manage.
00:43:16.000I think everybody has their own take on what life is really all about, what it is for them.
00:43:24.000You've got to find out what your thing is.
00:43:27.000Whether it's studying ancient religions, or some people, they get their fucking thrills out of combing a mountainside with a brush looking for fossils.
00:45:05.000And they're just like this burst of happiness because this guy's around.
00:45:08.000Well, you know, if you follow the tenets of most religions, that guy's, you know, he's a fucking sinner by the highest stretch of the imagination.
00:45:56.000That's the weirdest thing about school is that just by virtue of the fact that you have to sit there and do the work when they say you have to sit there and do the work.
00:46:02.000Just by virtue of that, they control your consciousness and you relinquish your consciousness to them.
00:46:10.000And that sets you up for a lifetime of work where you're doing what you don't want to do when they want you to do it.
00:46:17.000Yeah, because I mean, realistically, school is not about educating and also a human being.
00:46:21.000It's designed to make you function in an average way in this society.
00:46:57.000And you wrote something recently that I read where it seemed like you just had a really frustrating moment or you had to release yourself with your writing about academia.
00:48:44.000But then I look in the next class and I look at what regular teaching looks like and it makes you want to shoot yourself because it's dry as hell.
00:48:50.000There's no attempt to connect it to real life.
00:48:54.000Academia is like its own little dead box for the most part.
00:48:57.000And the only reason why people read academic stuff is because somebody's forcing them to Because nobody's gonna go out and buy that book and spend it on Saturday night.
00:49:05.000You know, the problem with academia is that it's populated 90% by people who spend their Saturday night shining their PhDs and devising new ways to squeeze all joy out of learning.
00:49:26.000They are joyless motherfuckers, and so they transmit that to their students, and they don't know how to think in any other way.
00:49:32.000And part of it is the institution, part of it is the repetition, part of it, whatever that may be, but there's...
00:49:37.000Is part of it just the idea of just going to school for a long time yourself and that you sort of get used to this fact, this cold hard fact that you have to do things you don't want to do?
00:49:48.000Probably that, I'm sure that has a lot to do with it.
00:49:51.000You come to accept the norms of, like in any field, when they school you into the field and they try to mold you in what the expert look like, they are basically trying to squash your individuality, exactly the things you were saying about Joey, you know, the stuff that makes you you that's wild and weird and That all gets to be squashed in the name of becoming a professional.
00:50:10.000You know, grad school is a mind-ambient torture for the most part.
00:50:14.000The world is going to be all newscasters.
00:50:17.000It's going to be people with no real opinions, that will never say anything, that will offend anybody.
00:50:22.000They're just fucking bullshitting their way through life until their ticker stops.
00:50:27.000But to give an idea of how low the bar is about this stuff, because that's exactly, the scenario you're describing is exactly what happens.
00:50:33.000To give an idea of how low the bar is, the first day of classes, any semester I teach, first day, I'll go in, I'll put on red hot chili peppers, and I'll give out the syllables, shaking hands with people.
00:52:46.000There's always professors that are banging their students and scandals will arise where they give preferential treatment to girls who give head.
00:55:24.000So all that crap about, oh, you're not supposed to hug your students because that would be sexual harassment or some shit, I totally ignore it, but at the same time, yeah, you want to be careful with people.
00:55:32.000You're not hurting anybody, just hugging people.
00:57:12.000Is it possible to ever get to a position where you have an enlightened group of people that are teaching students in this open and friendly way where we actually have a group of people that come out of these classes and can contribute to society?
00:58:02.000It's always amazing to me when you show up at a place and it's like one place and they specialize in cheese.
00:58:09.000And you go there and everyone's a cheese expert and they're all super knowledgeable and they're really nice and friendly and it's like a small family business and all the pieces are in place.
00:58:22.000How can you get this perfect environment, even if it's just a small cheese store?
00:58:26.000And is it possible to get that on a grand scale, like a university?
00:58:30.000But that's why even the single small case usually works during that first generation with the energy of the people who put it in there, who made the place amazing.
00:58:39.000Rarely you're gonna go three generations down the road and the same thing is gonna be going on.
00:58:43.000Yeah, that seems to be because they didn't have to work for it, right?
00:59:04.000Yeah, when I look at people and when I look at the greater historical picture that we have of the human race, and you see all these peaks and valleys and peaks and valleys of civilization and decline.
00:59:20.000It seems to me like it's really hard for people to figure something out and then pass it on to other people with the same impact as them figuring it out themselves.
00:59:30.000So you have all these accomplishments of the people that came before you, like running water and electricity, but yet they're being enjoyed by people who don't even understand them a little bit.
00:59:43.000Really can't appreciate the position of excellence and amazement that you really should be in in this 2012 era.
00:59:53.000Can you imagine if we were in a post-apocalyptic scenario, if somebody is born after that and you have to explain what society now was like?
01:00:02.000Yeah, you know, we could talk into this microphone and there were like half a million people listening across.
01:00:32.000They see Sandy, Hurricane Sandy, and the Weeks Without Power, I think, opened up a lot of people's eyes.
01:00:38.000This motherfucker's way more fragile than you think.
01:00:42.000We have a very, very fragile, sort of thin veil of civilization that we live under the illusion of.
01:00:52.000I mean, even if you look at something as simple as oil, which we base our old civilization that runs on oil right now, oil, I mean, we know that it's not going to last that long.
01:01:25.000Yeah, well, I think that, yeah, we actually had this discussion yesterday, the idea of the race.
01:01:30.000There's a race, like, society is running out of resources, and we're, you know, living in this crazy sort of, still this barbaric conqueror sort of a way.
01:01:40.000Stealing resources from other nations.
01:01:42.000But at the same time, technology and the connectedness of human beings is reaching like epic levels that it's never reached before.
01:01:48.000And it's one of the reasons why it's making it so much more difficult to govern.
01:01:52.000Because it's really hard to bullshit people.
01:01:57.000It blew my mind the other day when I got these emails.
01:01:59.000I was speaking of this ability to connect with people on a greater scale and all of that that you're mentioning.
01:02:06.000I got an email maybe four or five days ago when the very beginning of the Israeli-Palestinian thing that just started.
01:02:13.000I get this email from this guy in Israel who tells me he just ran into a bomb shelter and he's just hanging out there for the time being.
01:02:21.000And he has to say, you know, I have enough food, I have enough water, but what I'm doing to kill time in the meantime is Joe Rogan Experience, Duncan Trussell podcast, and my podcast.
01:02:39.000Now, a day later, or two days or something, I got an email from some guy, Palestinian guy, who lives in France, who tells me all about, oh, I like this thing you did, da-da-da, and then he started getting about, You know, I'm really freaked out about my family in Gaza.
01:02:55.000And, you know, you might want to know that what I'm doing right now to be able to chill out a second and not freak out about these things is I'm listening to you, I'm listening to Rogue, and I'm listening to Trusted.
01:03:05.000I'm like, you've got to be fucking kidding me, right?
01:03:07.000You know, one Israeli guy, one Palestinian guy basically telling me the exact same thing.
01:03:21.000Yeah, with youthful societies in this day and age, like the youth of societies in this day and age, they have a perspective that really was never achievable before.
01:03:33.000And they have an access to things like podcasts and the internet and websites.
01:03:40.000There's not as much difference between people as there used to be.
01:03:50.000It's hard to sell people on the idea of an enemy that you don't even know, that you never met.
01:03:56.000That's the beauty of globalization in a cultural level and rather in an economic level is the fact that, yeah, nationalism is going to go down.
01:04:03.000All these bullshit stereotypes about the people from across any border will become easier to know real shit rather than made-up facts that nobody got to test anyway because you never got to see them.
01:04:13.000Yeah, it's funny how everyone's scared of the idea of the new world order.
01:04:18.000You know, everybody's scared of the idea of one global government.
01:04:23.000Like, I remember there's this big thing, McCaffrey on CNN was talking about the Amero, that we're going to merge with Mexico and Canada, and that's why they're crashing the economy in order for us to come up with an Amero,
01:04:38.000and then we have one currency for the entire region.
01:04:41.000I'm like, how is that fucking you any less than you're getting fucked up?
01:04:45.000Are you going to really trip out about that?
01:05:09.000It seems like Guantanamo Bay would be the same.
01:05:11.000Would Guantanamo Bay be the same if it was one world government?
01:05:15.000If we really want to call ourselves the shining hope for civilization, how do we have something like Guantanamo Bay?
01:05:23.000How do we take these dudes and put blindfolds on them and fucking dog collar them behind their hands?
01:05:31.000You know, one of the things that cracks me up about, well, maybe cracks me up is the wrong word after mentioning Guantanamo, but in any case, one of the things that's Weird to me is, I'll take an example of the United States government.
01:05:43.000People are either flag-waving, we are the greatest country on earth kind of shit, or usually when they start finding out that no, it's not all beautiful and you start finding out, oh, we just happened to kill a few hundred thousand Indians and enslave a bunch of people and, you know,
01:05:59.000set up a military coup in Chile and did all this shit in Guatemala.
01:06:02.000You know, all of the ugly stuff of American history.
01:06:05.000People flip and they're like, The only evil in the world is the U.S. government and everybody else who's against it must be nice.
01:06:11.000So if some crazy fundamentalist is nice...
01:06:13.000No, they're just misunderstood, really.
01:06:22.000Well, that's why people are terrified of someone like that American Taliban guy that decides the United States is evil and is going to join the Taliban.
01:07:56.000Reward systems in our mind, in our body, in our human system that are set up to sort of interpret all these different things that are happening in the world and place them in a way that allows you to stay alive the longest, to breathe the most effectively.
01:08:09.000But when you sit someone down in front of a movie screen, All those triggers and all those reward systems and all those different things that you have that have passed human beings from generation to generation until they've gotten to this point.
01:08:26.000All those things that are set up to reward you for certain things in the material world are being manipulated by giant HD screens and THX sound and fucking perfectly written scripts and special effects and CGI. And then,
01:08:44.000you know, you really think that there's fucking good guys and bad guys out there.
01:08:54.000That's why I like modern, like the last decade or two of television, because it's changing the rules of the game.
01:08:59.000You know, you go from your traditional good guys, bad guys story, to now you have, you know, shows like Dexter, where the hero is the serial killer, or the Sopranos, or even something like Game of Thrones.
01:11:58.000I get a lot of feedback and a lot of information and a lot of fuel from the people in social media, just from articles to read or interesting points that someone might have, whether they disagreed with me or whether they had an alternative point of view that you might also want to consider this.
01:12:19.000A lot of fucking like-minded, cool, interesting people are out there.
01:12:24.000No, in fact, man, I actually, without kissing your ass, but I have to thank you to no end because ever since being on your podcast the first time and then jumping on Duncan's podcast and so on, it really opened up my world exactly to what you're saying, realizing that there are a bunch of people around the world who may be,
01:12:41.000you know, the weird freak of the little place where they live where it doesn't mix with everyone else.
01:12:46.000But thanks to internet, you can click and connect with a greater, bigger world that It's awesome what you put in touch with.
01:12:53.000In many ways, without sounding too flamboyant, it really makes me feel better about humanity, finding out that that stuff is out there.
01:13:03.000I think it really blew my mind after being on your show the first time and then being invited again.
01:13:09.000We're beginning to realize that there are other ways of communicating beside the ones I'm familiar with and the effect that it has on people.
01:13:16.000Real effect, you know, real shit that people...
01:13:19.000When people write you stuff that happened to them, how they dealt with or how something random that you said in five minutes on a podcast affected somebody in Australia and that was a huge thing for their life.
01:13:58.000And that's part of the beauty of having a podcast is that it If you look at human consciousness as sort of a, like, almost like, you know those, the computer programs, brains, you know, where, you know, you just have a thought and then all these branches off a thought.
01:14:13.000A lot of comedians use them to organize data, to organize jokes and segues and stuff like that.
01:14:18.000If you look at the human consciousness as one big sort of brain...
01:14:25.000What we've essentially done by having hundreds and hundreds of hours of this sort of open-minded, sometimes silly, but honest and friendly discussion is that you start this other branch and then boom,
01:14:43.000these things blossom off of this branch.
01:14:46.000Whether it's the Duncan Trussell podcast or the Joey Diaz podcast or Tom Segura's podcast, With his wife, Christina, whatever it is, your podcast, these branches break off and form their own branches and then it sort of attracts this group of people who get all this positive...
01:15:05.000Energy from these discussions and all this positive feedback, this resonance that you get from all these people that are really feeling excitement and joy and enjoyment from these discussions and it really does improve their life.
01:15:23.000It's almost like a sect of consciousness.
01:16:28.000It sort of happened completely organically.
01:16:30.000Just like this podcast happened completely organically.
01:16:32.000I mean, before this podcast, I was just, you know, we were just doing stand-up, and I would write blogs a lot, and, you know, and every now and then we would do, like, a thing, I think we did it on Justin TV, where we would put a laptop online and all look through the web camera and go,
01:17:31.000What I'm trying to do is bring as many cool people through the hole as possible.
01:17:34.000And that's, to me, one of the most important aspects of...
01:17:39.000The position, like when you're in a position where people are paying attention, like they're paying attention to you, you should point out some stuff that you've seen.
01:17:46.000You know, whether it's really good bands or really funny people or really interesting things.
01:17:52.000So my whole approach to it, whether it's Twitter or anything, is constantly pointing out the things that I find fascinating and I find interesting.
01:18:00.000And even that, speaking of changing lives, how many doors do you open that way for somebody who maybe is exactly what we're describing earlier, somebody who's Awesome at what they do.
01:19:22.000I just used him as an example because he was always the guy who influenced comedians the most, helped comedians.
01:19:30.000And Rodney Dangerfield was another one.
01:19:32.000Rodney Dangerfield, what he did was he figured out that one of the best things that he could do with all of his fame was to introduce the world to other comedians.
01:19:41.000So that's how we found out about Dice Clay.
01:19:43.000That's how we found out about Sam Kinison.
01:19:44.000Rodney Dangerfield was the best at helping other people out and introducing the world to all these other talented people.
01:19:52.000And that goes back to what you were saying.
01:20:57.000And I mean, that's the thing, rather than having the balls of just owning your mistakes, you know, big deal, because everybody makes mistakes, everybody fucks up, and that's the beauty, because that's when you learn stuff.
01:21:07.000Rather than dealing with it like, hey man, whether I learn something from you or you learn something from me is a win anyway.
01:21:13.000You know, it's like, you win more in a way when you fuck up, because you're going to learn shit from it, and then you can move on and improve essentially as a human being.
01:21:21.000People get stuck over the embarrassment or, ooh, I messed up.
01:21:28.000And it's like, great, then you're going to do it ten more times because you're not dealing with it now.
01:21:32.000Yeah, barring physical limitations like horrific injuries or whatever, most of what you have in life that you go through that's very difficult is an opportunity to grow.
01:21:44.000It's hard for people to wrap their heads around that, but we all can do better.
01:21:48.000I'm not saying that every horrible thing that happens to you, you should be happy for them.
01:21:53.000No, but you can turn it into something that motivates you and benefits you.
01:21:58.000It's just really hard for people to do.
01:22:00.000It's really hard for people to just put in the fucking work.
01:22:02.000And it's hard to feel good about that.
01:22:05.000It's hard to feel good about putting in the work and doing difficult shit.
01:22:09.000But that's why, to me, it's funny because you've got either the people who try to rationalize every bad shit that happens and is all, it's, everything happens for a reason.
01:23:42.000The management of the human consciousness to me is one of the most important things that a person needs to learn in life.
01:23:50.000And one thing that they don't fucking teach you in school.
01:23:53.000That is one of the craziest things about school is that they don't teach you how to organize your mind and how to defeat negative thinking.
01:24:02.000And how to encourage positive thinking and build momentum with positive acts, how to reinforce those positive things, write things down that are doing well, celebrate them with each other, pass milestones.
01:24:17.000There's a reason why belts in martial arts exist for thousands of years.
01:24:20.000You fucking feel good when you get a belt.
01:24:23.000I remember when I got my blue belt, I was on a fucking television show, okay?
01:24:26.000And the only thing I thought about being on the television show was like, eh, this is kind of cool.
01:25:04.000You need something where you push yourself so you can learn what you can do.
01:25:08.000Yeah, and literally can be anything because it can be a physical discipline, can be an intellectual discipline, maybe even both, which would be ideal.
01:25:15.000But yeah, it's applying yourself to something.
01:25:17.000Because you're going to face the same challenges regardless of which specific field.
01:25:20.000Okay, maybe somebody's not going to punch you in the face when you're a painter or something.
01:25:24.000But the point being, you're still going to be dealing with disappointment, with the learning curve.
01:25:37.000You find out a lot about life dealing with people through your own discipline and people that are in similar disciplines.
01:25:43.000It's just that aspect of education is so lacking and so crazy when you really think about engineering a society, engineering the consciousness of a society, which is what education is really supposed to be about, really.
01:25:57.000Essentially, you're making sure that the future generations are capable of contributing.
01:26:05.000And the funny thing is that that's usually, there are exceptions, but that's usually the last possible concern when it comes to academic environments.
01:26:17.000I had people, shit, I remember a guy at UCLA once telling me he had a tenure-track job there and he was a professor and he was like, You know, this is a great gig if only I didn't have to teach.
01:26:36.000Yeah, and interacting with students bothered him.
01:26:38.000And that's actually less rare than you would imagine.
01:26:41.000You know, there's actually a lot of those guys who are really comfortable in a pile of documents in some bureaucratic...
01:26:46.000They turn educational bureaucracy, which goes back to my fuck you and your motherfucking mama, because those are the people who kill the fun of it.
01:27:40.000And I mean, you know, even exceptions, even a lot of exceptions, if you get like 20% of people who are good, that's awesome.
01:27:46.000That's actually good in a teaching environment, which when you think about it, you're really dealing with eight people who kind of suck, which is awful.
01:27:52.000But even that, I would sign up for it.
01:27:53.000Well, you know, I think of it in terms of people that I started out doing open mic nights with.
01:27:58.000How many of them have gone on and actually become professional comedians?
01:29:21.000In a lot of humanities, social science, the reality is that the so-called research is stuff written in this stuffy academic language that the only other people are going to read are eight other experts in the field that you might as well call them, right?
01:29:34.000And it's designed almost to be not something that's communicable to regular audiences because that makes you look cool and learned and all of that.
01:29:43.000And to me, that's the exact opposite of Communication Master.
01:29:46.000You know, Communication Master is taking really difficult ideas and translating them in ways that anybody can relate to, right?
01:29:53.000Making them digestible so that from any walk of life, you can see a connection to your life.
01:30:00.000This is taking it the exact opposite direction.
01:30:02.000It's making it weird and this pseudo-intellectual game for nerds with walking to a library 40 years ago and never saw the light of the sun again.
01:30:49.000What percentage of teachers do you think are really innovating and trying to provide a better learning environment and trying to, like, You must have a bunch of professors that you are cool with.
01:31:28.000It's, I don't know, whatever the fuck.
01:31:31.000It's almost like performance in that sense.
01:31:33.000Is there any sort of a universal standard when it comes to, say, getting a PhD in applied mathematics or whether it's English or literature?
01:31:42.000Is there a standard amongst all the universities in the country?
01:31:46.000Or does each university sort of get together with its scholars and sort of figure it out themselves?
01:31:51.000This is what we think we should require of them in order for them to get a bachelor's degree.
01:32:18.000It's giving you a bunch of knowledge about stuff you didn't know about, which may be useful, and some people will be able to take a lot out of it and turn it into something that actually applies to life, or maybe useless crap that's invading your head for no good reason.
01:32:32.000There's no connection to real life a lot of the time.
01:32:37.000It remains, even when it's good, it's a theoretical game that's not designed to change how you get up from the seat and walk through class, how you are as a human being, how you feel.
01:32:49.000It's purely about knowledge for knowledge's sake.
01:32:52.000Which, you know, it has some good sides, but it also has some major limits right there.
01:32:57.000There's so many fucking things to know and learn.
01:33:01.000If you're just learning grammar, language, education, logic, mathematics, you start going over the various disciplines and the various things that a person can...
01:33:12.000There's not enough time in your young life to really put together an accurate piece of the world and then go out and be a part of it.
01:33:22.000That's the weirdest thing about school is that when most of my friends that graduated college, like right when they got out, that was like one of the weirdest times of their life where they were like, fuck, now what?
01:34:31.000If you're a nerd and we live in this idea that your thoughts are really this gnome that's stuck in your head that's directing the machine of the body so that who you are physically doesn't really affect your consciousness, which is essentially what school tells you,
01:35:09.000So having things that are about giving a lot more importance to the body, to physical experiences.
01:35:15.000Not only as your two hours of PE somewhere, which is It's not about consciousness.
01:35:20.000It's about moving muscle and shit, which is nice, but it's not the same thing.
01:35:23.000It's also emphasizing how, through a whole variety of physical discipline, you can affect the mind, you can affect spirit, if you want to get that far.
01:35:33.000There's a connection between all these different things.
01:35:35.000Whereas we have this mentality that knowledge is about knowledge's sake, there's relatively no connection to your body, and very little connection to actually applying that knowledge in real life.
01:35:52.000If it doesn't improve the quality of your life, what the hell is the point?
01:36:01.000I don't mean just, oh, it needs to make the corn grow or some stuff.
01:36:05.000It could even intellectually improve the quality of your life because it makes you happy, because it makes you relate better to other human beings.
01:36:13.000I'm talking about knowledge that just about in the year 1763 it is happened and there's no attempt to link it with why, what's the point, what's the lesson you can learn, what can you get out of it for your life.
01:36:27.000There's no effort whatsoever in that regard.
01:36:29.000Is it because it's just too much information to give people and they don't have time for that aspect of it?
01:36:34.000Part of it, sure, sure, because there's a bunch of factual things you need to get, and they are less controversial, you know, there's no argument about the factual stuff, whereas when you're, quote unquote, trying to educate somebody, there's also an element of who are you?
01:36:45.000Are you a human being who has something to offer to somebody else, or are you some guy in a position of power who's trying to force his own more subjective thing on people?
01:36:55.000So what you're telling me is academics and academia in general just needs more mushrooms.
01:37:02.000That's word by word what I was saying.
01:37:37.000Flash rooms are for when you get back.
01:37:40.000I've talked to a lot of dudes who are in Afghanistan who listen to the podcast over there.
01:37:47.000A lot of the troops listen to the podcast over there.
01:37:49.000And it's a weird conversation, you know.
01:37:53.000I've had a bunch of them with dudes after shows.
01:37:56.000I go, listen, man, you don't even know, but you guys kept me sane when I was over there.
01:38:01.000That's another strange responsibility for people that are in such a tough position, like to be over at war and to be providing them with some other thoughts.
01:38:13.000So listen, amphetamines and steroids and keep pulling that trigger and run.
01:38:29.000What do you think about all these ancient aliens motherfuckers that want to say that the original sources of humanity was that we were created by aliens?
01:39:43.000Well, I used to talk about it on stage that you try wrapping your head around the fact that 200 years ago, if you wanted a picture of something, you had to draw it.
01:41:11.000We knew how to manage all of the things that we had in our environment.
01:41:15.000And if we didn't, we knew a guy in town who did.
01:41:18.000Well, I'm not a blacksmith, but Bob is.
01:41:19.000And I'll go to Bob and get some horseshoes.
01:41:21.000I remember that movie, The Unforgiven, the Clint Eastwood movie.
01:41:27.000Seeing him out on the farm with his fucking kids, trying to farm and falling flat on his face, trying to push pigs into a pen, that was reality for everybody.
01:41:52.000I've never even thought about trying to understand wireless internet, but I'm on it right now.
01:41:56.000I've never even thought about attempting for a moment to gain any sort of an understanding of it.
01:42:02.000I mean, so much of this is so beyond anything you can get quickly or under, because you have to understand so much of physics, so much of it.
01:42:29.000Probably, because when you look at the speed of technological innovation of not the last thousand years, the last hundred, when you consider maybe 150, electricity, phones, cars, airplanes, TV, radio, computer...
01:42:47.000I remember when I was a kid in Italy, And I'm not like this old guy who's like, you know, back in my time.
01:42:55.000No, I mean, I'm late 30s and I remember when I was a kid, if I wanted to find out who won the NBA Finals, I would call the one Italian magazine that cover basketball.
01:43:06.000They had talked to their friend in New York who had given them the news.
01:43:10.000And so maybe two days later when they opened for business, I get to find out who won the NBA Finals.
01:43:15.000If I don't make that call, I have to wait a month for the magazine to be published so I know who won the game.
01:45:22.000Yeah, all those stupid fucks that are still in Africa swinging from trees.
01:45:26.000That used to be us, apparently, millions of years ago, supposedly.
01:45:30.000Have you seen that new shit where they found that human beings 500,000 years ago were using tools and using flint-tipped spears and arrows?
01:46:21.000They not only made weapons, but they also were navigators.
01:46:25.000One of the most recent discoveries is that they think they sailed out to islands on their own, you know, without Homo sapiens.
01:46:32.000The Neanderthals had figured out how to make boats.
01:46:35.000They didn't really think that just a few decades ago.
01:46:38.000They were around until, relatively speaking, not that long ago, because they went extinct like maybe 30,000 years ago or something, and they were around since maybe 200,000 years ago.
01:46:48.000That's a lot of time shared by homo sapiens sapiens and the neanderthal at the same time.
01:48:17.000Well, because I mean, a lot of Homo sapiens is a lot of the evidence that we have, typically what we could, like, the stuff passed 100,000 years ago, we really don't know a whole lot about.
01:48:27.000There's like, you find a fragment of a tooth from 300,000 years, and then you find a little finger from, it's like, so putting together, there's a lot of guesswork involved about this stuff.
01:48:38.000And that's part of what's fun about it, is that every other day there's new articles coming in with new theories that make it, that change that.
01:48:45.000It's like the stuff that we thought we knew until yesterday, scratch that, that was bullshit.
01:48:50.000We actually now know that what you just said, like, you know, 500 years ago, 500,000 years ago, they used on tools, whereas before we thought a lot less.
01:49:00.000But one of the theories up until, as far as I know, still current was that Neanderthals were the first to bury their dead, which is a trip itself that some non-human species, or rather related to us but not us, could do the exact same thing.
01:49:14.000Wouldn't it be crazy if humans learned how to seafare from Neanderthals?
01:49:20.000I say humans, because they actually were humans.
01:49:23.000But they did it before us, supposedly.
01:49:27.000But then there's other people that think that we absorb them.
01:49:30.000You know, there's two different schools of thought on that.
01:49:33.000One of them is that we interbred with them, and one of them is that, no, we just shared DNA from the get-go, and it's just we're better at understanding that now.
01:49:40.000Yeah, they say that basically Neanderthals are an evolutionary dead end.
01:49:44.000There's no crossover with human beings.
01:49:46.000It's only ancestral stuff, or exactly.
01:49:48.000Or instead, the happy Neanderthal sex scenario where...
01:49:51.000Homo sapiens, sapiens, and Neanderthal.
01:49:57.000If they could get some, if they're in the middle of nowhere, if you're like hunting elk with a stick, and you find some hot Neanderthal chick, and she's ready to go, you're like, alright, come on, let's do this.
01:50:08.000I've traveled before, cross-country, where you're on the road for days on end, and after a while, from state after state, you see the average woman being 300 pounds, when suddenly you see a 200-pound woman, and you're like, oh My God, that's so hot!
01:52:09.000Like, you leave a bear, a dead bear in the woods, like, you come back in a month later, there's nothing left.
01:52:13.000No, I mean, that's why, in fact, history books are always the thickest.
01:52:16.000You know, you go through the first 200,000 years of history, they're like two pages.
01:52:21.000And then you go in the last 10 years, they're like three books thick of it.
01:52:25.000It's not because it's any more interesting, it's because we know more.
01:52:28.000You know, that's what it boils down to.
01:52:30.000I listened to this lecture once, I think it was another McKenna one, where he was talking about if you had a computer of sufficient power and you understood wind variables and you understood you could program...
01:52:46.000All the measurements from a sand dune and from that sand dune you could get a map of the wind and you could you could literally get an accurate representation of how fast the wind was blowing and for how long and how did it create this from the this mass of sand and I always wondered like I wonder if what just what we can do now is so bizarre as far as exchange data and as far as figure things out and communication I wonder
01:53:16.000if it's possible to take the results of life on this planet in what we know of over the last 20, 30, whatever it is, 100 years of accurate history and put what we know to be 100% true in some sort of a gigantic mathematical program and extrapolate the past from that or make a calculation from what we know.
01:53:43.000And literally be able to get an accurate representation of everything from single-celled organisms to dinosaurs all the way to a human being and recreate that in a way that people could actually watch.
01:53:53.000That could be the kind of thing that 300 years from now, people will look now like, really?
01:53:58.000Those bastards didn't know about that?
01:54:00.000Yeah, of course you could do that, stupid.
01:54:01.000Yeah, well, they'll probably laugh at people with, like, sex change, too.
01:54:05.000Like, you gotta go and get your dick cut off?
01:54:07.000Dude, why don't you just go into the sex change center, press the button.
01:54:37.000Before that, I'm imagining, can you picture when they finally figured out very realistic robots that look like humans and everybody can buy like the hottest possible sex partners on the planet for like 500 bucks at Target?
01:54:54.000It's like society as we know it will come to an end once that sex toys will be perfected because no one will leave the damn house if you have in your closet 10 of the hottest women or men or whatever.
01:56:00.000It really made me cringe when he said it because I was like, he's right and that's going to happen.
01:56:05.000There's going to come a point in time, we were talking about amputees who now run in the Olympics with special prosthetics, that one day they're going to have legs that are better than a human.
01:58:11.000I mean, it's a miracle already when you're driving on the freeway and you look at all the people driving and you figure, really, we're not crashing into each other every second.
01:58:29.000Is that the product of the education system or is it there's a broad spectrum of the human mind and there's some people that are born ditch-diggers?
02:00:31.000If you live your life and you don't experience something that's one of the best things you can experience, you're missing out on one of the best parts about this life.
02:00:38.000The idea is, well, it consumes you and you want to be free from that.
02:00:53.000Well, that's not true because some people can have wine and then they get laughing and have a great conversation and have sex with someone they probably wouldn't have sex with.
02:01:51.000We'll keep it together for 100 years, then you die.
02:01:54.000But if people live to be infinity, once Ray Kurzweil's ideas come to light and we have endless existences, by the time we get to that point, I bet we'll have some sort of artificial reality anyway that people will be enjoying more than regular reality anyway.
02:02:14.000There'll be some World of Warcraft shit that you can plug your brain into.
02:03:28.000I think you either have it or you don't.
02:03:29.000I think that's like a part of your brain that's either active or not.
02:03:33.000Do you think it's a nurtured thing from childhood that like...
02:03:36.000Some people get stimulated as a child, and they start pursuing that road, and then it becomes a part of their natural existence, and then it becomes normal to them?
02:03:56.000If you look at an architect, most of them understand all this complex, crazy shit, but then you try to talk to them, and they're just the most...
02:04:04.000One-sided, that they only understand architecture kind of thing.
02:04:11.000Well, I certainly think if you look at the human race as being one big, crazy, giant organism, you would think that everybody would have a part in it in order for it to keep progressing, and that it wouldn't really work the right way if everybody was the same.
02:04:27.000If everybody was the same, there really wouldn't be that much innovation.
02:04:33.000It almost makes sense that you're going to have mathematical prodigies that can't run fast.
02:04:38.000And then you're going to have dudes who are really awesome at space and distance and eye-hand coordination, but they just suck at putting numbers together.
02:05:55.000And we are smart, so we can come up like pushing the limits because we have a new technological innovation that allows us to get more out of less space and all of that.
02:06:03.000So we've played a game well, but I mean you can only play it so long before eventually you don't come up with something brilliant in the next 100 years and then you're fucked.
02:06:12.000Yeah, and when you look at how many people there are and how many people there used to be, that's crazy.
02:06:23.000We had Dr. Peter Duisburg on, who is the HIV guy who says that HIV doesn't cause AIDS. He was talking about the population in Africa tripling.
02:06:31.000The population's tripled over the past 20 or 30 years, whatever the fuck it's been.
02:06:37.000If you think like something like the entire population of the United States in the year 1800, so 200, barely over 200 years, was about 5 million people.
02:08:31.000You never bring the idea up that you need to cull the population.
02:08:34.000Even though that's a natural part of nature, is that the strong survive.
02:08:37.000I mean, the whole Chinese model of if you have more than one kid, well, bashing on the head is effective, but it's not exactly the most democratic thing in the universe.
02:08:45.000Well, it's also not good for your ideas of humanity.
02:08:48.000When we talk about human rights violations and poor living conditions, China is right up there on that list as you look down at your Chinese-made iPhone.
02:09:14.000While you're Googling in Manhattan, sitting on the corner, looking out the window, the chain of what's happened, to get that phone into your hand, it's dirty business at the very end of the chain.
02:09:48.000That's why it cracks me up when I see women with the big giant diamond ring of engagement and shit, and I'm like, okay, that's about, what, 27 Nigerian kids or 28?
02:09:59.000Yeah, and not only that, that shit's in warehouses.
02:10:03.000They've got the diamond people, they've got that shit locked down.
02:10:06.000They're so brilliant, those diamond people.
02:10:08.000They've managed to get people to pay for stupid little shiny rocks and pay...
02:10:42.000Which, by the way, you can make it just as shiny, look in the exact same way, and you have to look through a glass to make sure it's not the original, but no, it's not real.
02:10:49.000It's one of my favorite things about the rap culture is like big giant diamond encrusted necklaces and diamond chains and diamonds on the rings and diamonds on their teeth and diamonds in their ears.
02:11:01.000I love the bounce back from poverty to extreme wealth and how...
02:11:10.000To me, one of the most fascinating aspects of humanity is the really over-showy rap guys throwing money on each other and standing in front of Ferraris, flexing their diamond rings.
02:11:31.000And then there's people that are of old wealth, like Prince Charles, who would think that would be garish behavior and beyond embarrassing.
02:11:40.000I would love to see a reality show where Little Wayne had to live with Prince Charles.
02:11:48.000And Lil Wayne gets Prince Charles high as fuck and they go play polo.
02:12:44.000You see the difference between people that come from, like, really poor countries and made it to America and really appreciate the fucking shit out of it more than these sloppy people from Orange County that are living in Irvine their whole life, never even seen a bullet?
02:12:59.000You get people of, especially community college, it's awesome because you get people of all ages, you get people literally of every religion, you name it, you know, so you find all sorts of from the guy who's coming straight from South Central who tells you, I'm sorry I got in here late, but they lock up my block because they shot some dude under my house and they're like,
02:13:17.000fuck, okay, that's what you come to school with.
02:13:21.000And the one was straight out of Beverly Hills.
02:14:29.000They, in philosophy, after two episodes, were, like, for a few days, were number one in philosophy, which, granted, the fact is probably the other three people in that category are people who are broadcasting out of their mom's basement, discussing the subtle differences between Hegel and Aristotle,
02:14:45.000but still, it's still first in something.
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