The world has become insane and we're not doing anything about it. We're just two dudes having a few drinks in the middle of nowhere talking about the end of the world and why we should all be worried about nuclear weapons and how we're going to end up with nuclear weapons. We don't know what's going on and we don't have a freaking answer to it. But we do know one thing, and that's that we need to do something about it because we're all crazy and we have no idea what s going on. And the only thing we know is that it's going to kill us all if we let it happen and we allow it to happen. It's time to wake up and wake up to the reality that we are all crazy, and we are the only ones with a rational answer to the question, "Why do they have nukes?" and the answer is... it's because they needed nukes. And the real scary thing about it is that we have the most fail-safe reactor on the planet, the Kandu reactor. And it's not a nuclear reactor, it's a fail safe reactor, and it's the most safe reactor on Earth. And we're giving them nukes because we need nukes to keep us safe from nuclear meltdowns. and they need them because they need the nuclear reactors to keep them safe. We're crazy, not because we have a nuclear power, we have nuclear power to keep the world safe, we need nuclear power because they don't need nuclear weapons to survive, they need nuclear reactors because we are crazy, right? We donators, not stupid, not dumb, dumb, not smart, not rational, not boring, not scary, not cool, not good, not evil, not bad, but crazy, but we're crazy! we're just regular dudes having some drinks and we like to have a few shots of teacups, we like having a good time and we want to talk about it, we're having some fun and we just want to have some fun, you know what we're cool with it, yayyy. . You know what else? We love you, we'll see you soon. XOXO. xoxo -Jon Sorrental. - Jon Jon Sorrentino. Jon's new book is out now! - Tom's new album is out in the works!
00:00:21.000This is why this podcast is so important and not to be melodramatic is To go back to the success of this podcast and the success of Vice and all this stuff is that it's because all of the other shit out there is bullshit.
00:00:36.000Is what happens in mainstream media and the news cycle is crap.
00:00:42.000And what's happening here and the reason why you have so many people listening to you and supporting you and the reason why Vice is growing so rapidly is because we're just regular dudes.
00:01:30.000If we have another Mumbai attack, we will attack Pakistan.
00:01:33.000Then I went to Pakistan and I was like, why are you still sending these, you're training, the ISI and the military, why are you still sending these guys into India?
00:01:40.000They've said that if you still, if you send them in again, they're going to attack you.
00:01:45.000And they're like, yes, because we're going to win.
00:01:48.000And you're like, nobody's going to fucking win.
00:02:06.000Where's just like two regular guys And by the way, we're just sitting here with a beautiful oak table having a few drinks in the middle of nowhere.
00:02:17.000And so many people are resonating with us.
00:07:40.000He's a bad motherfucker, that Brian Redman.
00:07:45.000Look, man, I love you, but every time we get together, we start talking doom and gloom, and I fucking shit my pants.
00:07:51.000And I want to believe that there's a way out of this.
00:07:54.000I want to believe that I know that I've changed as a human being.
00:07:58.000There is, and I've got to say this, because it's up to guys like you, guys like me, and guys like everyone listening to this podcast to say, we have the power.
00:08:12.000I want to get high and watch The Hobbit.
00:08:15.000However, you want to get high and watch The Hobbit.
00:08:18.000However, I'm going to say this publicly and online.
00:08:23.000Joe Rogan, who's a famous dude who does UFC and TV shows and comic genius and all this stuff, he does a podcast, pays for a fucking studio, pays for oak tables, pays for state-of-the-art equipment and all this stuff to do a podcast.
00:08:41.000And by the way, that's fucking admirable.
00:08:42.000And by the way, everybody out there who has a camera, who has an iPhone, who has a fucking YouTube connection, everyone can do it and everyone should do it because it's time to start fucking changing shit because you know what?
00:09:10.000And it's instead of you going through this traditional system of it not being about the value of your contribution, but rather being about like who's hot and who's not and who's it and who's like fucking dating who and all the nonsense that we get roped up in as primates,
00:09:29.000And to instead say, the fuck that, man.
00:09:31.000But I would like to say to everyone who's listening to this, Joe Rogan, red man over there, is fucking the technological genius.
00:09:38.000You guys are doing something that is purely democratic, that is incredibly fucking important, incredibly useful.
00:09:45.000It's the reason why every time I come to LA I do this.
00:09:48.000Because you guys are giving guys like me and everybody else a fucking platform to say, hey, by the way, I don't want to be all doom and gloom.
00:09:59.000What I want to do is say, this shit is happening.
00:10:18.000And what we're trying to do is bring back journalism in the sense that journalism is saying, this shit is fucked up and we collectively have to solve it.
00:10:27.000Otherwise, you have kids, I have kids.
00:10:32.000I run through these various scenarios in my head about the future of humanity, and the only thing that gives me hope is the access to ideas and information that are available today.
00:11:18.000I mean, the way I think about it is, first of all, we were doing it at my house, and then we were doing it at Brian's place that he set up, Desquad Studios in the Ice House.
00:12:09.000There's no motivation to do this other than joy, other than fun, other than the fact that I love talking to guys like you.
00:12:18.000How else would I organize a three-hour conversation with you and I? The only way to make it enticing is I have to fucking broadcast it online to get to meet someone like you.
00:12:28.000Tomorrow we're doing that John McAfee, the guy, the virus...
00:12:41.000But you tell more truth here on your podcast than MSNBC and Fox put together.
00:12:46.000And I've got to say, that's the future of journalism.
00:12:50.000It's regular people like you and me who actually give a shit and who have actually learned stuff.
00:12:55.000And because you go around the world and you see shit, I go around the world and I see shit, we see this stuff and we go, hey, This is ridiculous, yeah.
00:13:05.000It's incredibly difficult for people to change.
00:13:08.000It's incredibly difficult for systems of government or monetary systems to change.
00:13:13.000Change is incredibly hard and resisted tooth and claw.
00:13:17.000And the people that are involved in MSNBC and CNN and all these people that perpetrate all this nonsense journalism, I don't fault them.
00:13:27.000I don't, because as a guy who's been, this is my position, as a guy who's been in the system of television before, I've been on two different TV shows.
00:13:37.000I was on a sitcom for five years, and then I was on Fear Factor for six years.
00:13:40.000I kind of see, I got a pretty good view of the whole system of creating things and the network run.
00:14:07.000If you look at your audience and you look at what you're doing and other people like you are doing, you have millions and millions of followers.
00:14:16.000I would say, look, You have as many, and by the way, more, you have an audience that's actually willing to do shit and willing to participate and they tweet and they Facebook and get on the socials.
00:14:30.000And I would say this, if you look at Fox, which is aging at 67, 68, those people are dying and going to die out.
00:15:07.000And I got to say, look, that is the future of journalism because that is the only way today that we're going to get to the truth.
00:15:17.000Look, I agree with everything you just said and the reason why I do it is because people like you are out there.
00:15:23.000The reason why I'm so committed to doing a podcast like this and the reason why Brian and I are committed to keeping them free is we benefit from it just as much as everyone else does.
00:15:37.000We benefit from it from our own conversations.
00:15:40.000I mean, Brian and I were just talking about simulation theory today.
00:15:43.000And it's because it's brought up by so many brilliant people on the podcast that we've had these freaky discussions about it.
00:15:51.000This podcast has been an incredible fucking thing.
00:15:57.000Not only can I... I don't feel like I can take any responsibility for it, I can't take any accolades Talk through the internet and reach all these other people.
00:16:30.000If anybody else had it, they would do it.
00:16:32.000If you're thinking in your right mind and you had a million people that were paying attention or whatever the fuck it is now and you knew some shit, you'd want to tell people some shit.
00:16:42.000But I'm allowed to say it's admirable.
00:16:44.000Oh, listen, that's not nearly as admirable as we're chilling here in the fucking valley.
00:16:48.000Brian and I are in the air-conditioned studio.
00:17:29.000But at least people, and this is what gives me hope, is that people fundamentally, I believe, are good.
00:17:37.000And I also believe people are fundamentally smart and people fundamentally want to do the right thing.
00:17:42.000Well, I think people fundamentally want to be good because love feels better than hate.
00:17:48.000If I have a little tiny dispute in my life, I don't know about you, but the way I feel about it, especially amongst my circle of friends or amongst people I do business with or work with, if there's any sort of a tiny dispute, there's a ripple in my force, and I don't like it.
00:18:02.000I don't like that feeling, and I want to resolve it as lovingly and as kindly and as apologetically as I can.
00:18:09.000And some people never get to a position where they really feel at peace with their place in the world and how they interact with other people.
00:18:25.000You took a bad career path, stuck in a fucking abusive job position.
00:18:29.000Whatever the fuck it is that locks you into your reality, your existence.
00:18:34.000It's very difficult for people that are in a torturous position to look at possibilities and options and to look at the possibility and options that this might not be the correct way to live life.
00:18:47.000And that, in reality, my narrow-minded view has set me on this insurmountable path of ultimate failure.
00:18:54.000And there's no way to accumulate enough shit in this life if you're a temporary being.
00:19:37.000Let's look at this whole thing and be honest about it and say, we woke up in the middle of a dream.
00:19:42.000The American, whoever the fuck you are, the Japanese man who's 50 years old, who wakes up when his alarm clock goes off today and looks at this world, This world woke up in motion.
00:19:55.000There's too many of them, first of all.
00:19:57.000There's too many of them to ever communicate.
00:19:59.000No one understands what the fuck anybody's saying.
00:20:11.000Ultimately, there's no way, if we continue along a certain path, that it doesn't completely explode in our face.
00:20:17.000Whether it's overpopulation or whether it's pollution or nuclear disaster, there's a certain amount of stops along the way until the whole thing ends.
00:20:27.000Well, I think I agree with you, and I think that Our generation, yours and mine, has come out of the pond.
00:21:31.000Is that you sit there and you say, okay, I don't want the next generation to not have that, to not be able to go outside, swim in a river, go fishing, do all that stuff.
00:21:40.000And right now we're at literally the sort of breaking point.
00:21:45.000We're at that infection point of, we can fix it, we can solve it, we're smart, we're good, people want to do it.
00:21:54.000And if you follow, I'm sure you do, the people who follow you, and if you look at what they say on Twitter, and you look at what they say on Facebook, People are fucking angry, and they're down, and they're happy.
00:22:10.000And the thing is, what's happening, especially globally, let alone in this country, but what's happening globally is that the people with the power are disenfranchised because the systems that are in place are set up as such that they can't be represented.
00:22:27.000So, What this is, is this is true grassroots democracy.
00:22:32.000And by the way, I hope to God it continues and gets bigger and bigger.
00:22:36.000And I was making a joke earlier, this is the first podcast from here.
00:22:40.000And I'm like, I'm going to look back 20 years from now and say, this was the first podcast that changed the world.
00:22:45.000Because this is the root of journalism, which is the root of democracy.
00:22:49.000Well, I think that the people that are in the position of power that are doing these horrible things, We really need to figure out how to heal those motherfuckers.
00:23:01.000I think we have to figure out how to get them the fuck out.
00:23:16.000You would say that there's got to be a way that almost everybody can change and that these people that are in these positions of power that are looking at things like war and economic...
00:23:28.000Attacks on countries or embargoes or all these different various things that people do that really can cause unbelievable, irreparable harm to communities and families.
00:23:38.000We need to figure out a way to get those people to look at things differently and say, your motivation is off.
00:23:45.000Your motivation is based on some ancient primate shit.
00:23:52.000Where you were running away from Jaguars and you had to be the most vicious motherfucker to survive.
00:23:57.000And that stuff manifests itself today, millions of years later, in the male dominance mentality.
00:24:03.000And that mentality is not best suited for attacks against your fellow man.
00:24:12.000You will be a happier person if you do not behave in that manner.
00:24:16.000And you won't be any happier if you get more money.
00:24:19.000There's a certain amount of money where it doesn't matter.
00:24:21.000Well, I've got to say also that if you look at it and say, I want real people.
00:24:26.000I want people like me who have had a drink too many, who've done a few drugs, who've done whatever, who've had a real life.
00:24:33.000If you have guys like Romney who's like squeaky clean and whatever, I'm like, I don't want a robot representing me because I'm not a robot.
00:24:43.000I'm flawed and fucked up and I've been through crazy shit.
00:25:26.000The thing is, as you were talking about talking to shemales or talking to Taliban or talking to this or that, The thing is, if you just talk to these motherfuckers, everybody has a point.
00:26:17.000They were just like, no, you guys have done this thing and that's why we're shooting.
00:26:21.000There were people killed and there's been, you know, violence because of this and now there's a whole, you know, because a lot of the people are illiterate that the imams say, well, America is doing this and this is part of their policy and whatever.
00:26:33.000And you're like, this was just a bunch of fruitcakes who did a fucking thing.
00:26:37.000And all of a sudden now people are dying and there's, you know, whole militias being mobilized because of this.
00:26:42.000And at that point you're like, If people just actually fucking, you know, which I do, I say, look, I'm going to tell you, I live there.
00:27:26.000There's the congressmen that are coming up, like Daniel Seaman, the congressional representative, or a candidate, rather, who is completely honest and well-read and young.
00:27:36.000There's a whole group of people that are coming up now.
00:27:41.000That are broadcasting, whether it's the Young Turks or whether it's any number, Alex Jones to a large extent.
00:27:48.000A lot of what Alex Jones says, although absolutely ridiculed in the 1990s, shows to be true in 2012. I've been Alex's friend for a long fucking time.
00:27:58.000And a lot of people think he's crazy, and he's fucking crazy.
00:28:27.000And when you go and look at them and you go, oh, okay, this is just – this is sort of how it's always been.
00:28:33.000So what we have to do is figure out how to get these people that are thinking this way in this crazy position of power where they – whatever group, however many, agree to do something – Totally immoral.
00:28:47.000It's really the only real reason when it ever comes down to it.
00:28:51.000We have to figure out how to reach people like that and to let them know that this is a false pattern.
00:28:57.000Your mind is locked in some nonsensical thinking.
00:29:01.000That is based on the predatory instincts of animals that had to survive from fucking cougars and jaguars and bears and shit.
00:29:11.000There is a ruthlessness that's designed into the DNA to make sure that the animal procreates and that can be overcome.
00:29:19.000And that we have to understand that the only way to true happiness is to look at each other collectively as if it's us living another life.
00:29:28.000Look at every person you meet as if it's you living a completely different life.
00:29:37.000No, no, but you look at you and you say, look, here's a guy, UFC guy, came up, Taekwondo champion, you're a fighting guy, all this stuff.
00:29:45.000Obviously, we're two guys here sitting here, we're not hippies.
00:29:49.000But what we're coming to is saying, look, we came up, you know, we came up hard, we fought, we did all this stuff, and now we're realizing this shit, and we're saying, hey, you know, we've seen this, we've learned, and this is why, to go back to it,
00:30:05.000is I don't want politicians representing me who don't understand this.
00:30:10.000Which is, I came up hard, I came up from the streets.
00:30:15.000I learned it the hard way by going to these places.
00:30:17.000And what I've realized is exactly what you said, which is unless we've overcome our base desire, which is, I hate you, I'm going to fucking bomb you.
00:31:41.000And by the way, if we had politicians who were doing the right thing, you would go to India, you'd go to Pakistan and say, you're not allowed.
00:31:49.000Which means that we have to say, Russia's not allowed, we're not allowed, nobody's allowed.
00:31:54.000Because, again, to go back to it, if you're playing roulette, and double zero means the end of the fucking world, you shouldn't be playing fucking roulette.
00:32:03.000And so take that double zero off the fucking board.
00:32:06.000At least if you're playing Russian roulette, you have five chances to not get shot in the head.
00:32:12.000When you're playing world dominance, it's like, how many opportunities do you have to start a nuclear war?
00:33:07.000Coltan is a rare thing that makes your iPhone, your Samsung, your iPad, they all need Coltan to actually work.
00:33:19.000And the majority of Coltan actually is in Congo.
00:33:24.000And so what's happened now is this continual warfare, you know, and it's I believe now the sixth bloodiest war in the history of humanity, is all happening because of iPads, iPhones, Samsungs, all these things.
00:34:13.000If you look at the human experience and you look at where we're at right now at the highest levels...
00:34:19.000And let's perceive that the highest levels are innovation and technology and that the fact that we can broadcast this with minimal cost, even though it's kind of sucking right now, powerful AT&T. Why'd you get DSL? I don't know, man.
00:34:33.000I had a fucking business manager handle this shit.
00:35:58.000The issue is slightly biological and that's something that I'm willing to admit 100% because I have friends that I trust dearly, like Fitzsimmons.
00:36:06.000Greg Fitzsimmons, Greg and I have been friends since we were in our early 20s.
00:36:11.000I think we met when I was 21 and Greg was probably the same age.
00:36:15.000Greg has always had—he's a legit alcoholic in the sense of he could have a drink today and he could be fine, but there will be a pull, a biological pull that's reinforced by his relatives.
00:38:21.000We have to fucking question shit, and we also have to say, how do we get better?
00:38:27.000It's a funny thing to say, but I'm not endorsing alcohol consumption, but there's a certain humility that comes from being an educated drunk.
00:38:36.000You step back and kind of, you know, you just realize, like, look, this is all fun.
00:38:53.000But there's a certain, like, having a drink with you, having a drink with him, having a drink with Anyone who's just a real guy, where there's a moment that comes, where you've had a couple of drinks, where you look at each other and you go, ah, we're fucked,
00:40:04.000Well, just to finish with Anthony Bernin, I would say that that guy went out into the world and talked about shit that you should talk about on a channel that would never talk about that shit otherwise.
00:40:20.000And a channel, by the way, that's very conservative.
00:41:04.000Scripps is super, super conservative, super Christian.
00:41:08.000Their poster child is a dude who goes out in the world and says, we'll eat some food, we'll cook some shit, but I'm going to tell you the fucking truth about what's going on.
00:41:56.000He's eating camels and he's loving it.
00:41:58.000But most importantly, he approaches the whole thing with this really palpable feeling of humility and honesty and pie-eyed drunkenness on occasion.
00:42:27.000Northeast Alaska or something like that?
00:42:29.000He lives in the most remote part of the world.
00:42:35.000He's the most remote human being in the world.
00:42:38.000I have a message board on my website, and the message board is before Twitter.
00:42:43.000It's been around since 1998. My friend Andrew started the message board, and it's been this incredible magnet for fucking weirdos and a lot of cool people.
00:42:55.000But what's been really fascinating that Twitter sort of surpassed it in a way just because of the sheer access, but what my message board became was this strange area where cool shit would be drawn to.
00:43:10.000So they would post these things, these threads about shit you would never find out on your own.
00:43:16.000Just the average person is not connected to community.
00:43:23.000What would you be Googling that would connect you to this series?
00:43:27.000Someone put up this link to this video and I watched this guy that's got frozen caribou hanging from a fucking tree and he's sawing them and cooking them and your guys that were there who were just blown away by this experience of hanging out with this dude who lives in a 100-foot square shack in the fucking most hostile environment known to man.
00:43:51.000And to see that he was not, not only was he not a loon, but that he was, there was no narration.
00:43:59.000The narration was just sort of describing how they got there and what was going on, but it was never any judgment on people or the scenario.
00:44:07.000And what I found really fascinating about it, I was like, you got to know a guy with all the, and Heinemann has lived here for 65 years!
00:44:18.000He's content, wandering the frozen countryside, hoping to spot a caribou.
00:44:31.000You instead inserted intelligent people into an alternative sort of situation.
00:44:37.000This sounds like we're belowing each other.
00:44:39.000There's a lot of people right now that are going to be online like, Bro, I'm glad I didn't fucking watch this one live.
00:44:44.000Well, no, but seriously, the thing is, it's because we practice a type of journalism called immersionism, where we go, we immerse ourselves in the actual story, and we just press record.
00:45:31.000Like saying this shit like the truth and it blew my mind and this and that and you realize like you know we're guys just you know talking about shit and whatever and they're going this is I learn more on that podcast and Fox and MSNBC and fucking CNN and everybody all put together and that's the tragedy it's it's great for us it's the tragedy because we're just regular dudes going okay this is what the fuck is happening I don't think it's a tragedy,
00:45:58.000I think it's the normal chain of progression, and I think it's a natural system.
00:46:05.000And I think that you don't get to be you unless you've seen Burt Reynolds get a crazy facelift.
00:46:12.000You don't get to be you until you've seen...
00:46:17.000All the most preposterous shit that people have done.
00:46:20.000You don't get to be you until you read all the crazy accounts of nonsensical violence on the internet, the crazy revolutions in Arab Spring and all over the world and all the things you physically experience by actually being in these places where there are chaotic events.
00:46:39.000Events that are just uncontrollable by the population.
00:46:50.000You can't even take credit for what you're doing because you're compelled.
00:46:54.000You're compelled by the natural order of the universe.
00:46:58.000The natural order of the universe is to move in a progressive direction, in a more understanding and more comprehensive, enlightened direction.
00:47:08.000The idea is not to maintain the science of the 1700s.
00:47:12.000The idea is to figure out how to, you know, how to get on Mars and create an atmosphere so we can have a new planet in case this one gets hit by an asteroid.
00:47:19.000The idea is to consistently move forward.
00:47:22.000And I think we're just caught in the struggle of that happening.
00:47:27.000And my real hope for the world, you know, all that shit about The people that believe that you can manifest reality, the secret, and the idea that your own mind, and the more you focus on things.
00:47:42.000Maybe, maybe, maybe it's just the fact that you're not paying attention to what you could do positively, and that's what impacts the world.
00:47:51.000And positively, what we've got to figure out how to do is to change the mindset of all the people that are in positions of power.
00:48:00.000Instead of fighting them and attacking them, try to understand the fact that the human animal is incredibly frustrated.
00:48:12.000We have these fucking bodies that are exactly the same as pre-internet, pre-movies, pre-cars, pre-planes.
00:48:20.000And it's all happened so quickly all around us that we haven't had the chance to really, as a super organism, take in all of the knowledge and distribute it in a way that we govern over the consciousness of the population in a fair and ethical way that keeps everybody happy.
00:48:43.000But I think, ultimately, that that is a possible scenario.
00:51:00.000The people that existed Before the internet or before...
00:51:06.000Those are the people that sort of set the scenario.
00:51:08.000They set the momentum of our culture and they did not have access to the shit we have now.
00:51:15.000The idea that we're so hung up on the brilliant wisdom of some people that lived in the 1700s and created the Declaration of Independence, which by the way was written on fucking hemp, the first draft.
00:51:26.000The fact that we're committed to the ideology, these people that lived...
00:52:02.000And he found the Book of Latter-day Saints in his backyard.
00:52:06.000But you know what's beautiful about the Mormon cult is that what I've learned from my personal experiences Is that there are certain people in this life, and although I don't feel it's justified to lie to people, there's certain people who do get by better if they follow at least a scaffolding of morality.
00:52:26.000Something that lets them believe that at the very top there's a cherry, and that cherry's God, and he's right up there on top of the whipped cream, and you just gotta get to him.
00:52:35.000I think that's the problem, is that if you look at this, we were talking about global warming earlier, and you say, okay, Yeah, shit's fucked up.
00:52:45.000The world is thinking, we're not going to believe in that because of God.
00:52:50.000And you're like, yeah, but you're going to die and your kids are going to die and it's going to be bad if we don't just say this is the thing that is bad, that's happening and it's happening.
00:54:00.000So when he left the presidency, he said that is the reason why cargo war, the war between India and Pakistan, was the glimpse of the end of the world.
00:54:09.000And then he got his dick sucked by a youngin'.
00:54:43.000We can't just, we just have to say there can be no, you know, intercontinental or ballistic or nuclear warheads.
00:54:53.000There can be no, because what you're saying, just so everybody understands, what you're saying then is, As long as that technology is there, it will go to Iran.
00:55:41.000It's zero compared to what's happening in India and Pakistan.
00:55:45.000Israel and Palestine is like, you know, like, I guess when you're like 20, 21, and you have that one couple that just won't fucking break up.
00:55:55.000And they keep fighting, and they keep asking you for advice.
00:55:58.000You know, what do you think I should tell her, bro?
00:56:12.000Aren't all conflicts ultimately some form of distraction?
00:56:17.000Because if the Israelis looked at the Palestinians that are suffering and these poor people that are trying to make this sort of...
00:56:26.000Home for themselves in this Gaza region, this very dangerous and hostile region.
00:56:32.000What if they treated them all as Israelis?
00:56:34.000What if they treated them all as just fellow humans?
00:56:37.000What if instead of lumping them into groups based on ideology and who believes what old crazy shit, what if they just looked at them as, that could be your cousins?
00:56:46.000I mean, that would instantly change the whole thing.
00:56:49.000The idea that we need to exist in a conflict scenario is the problem.
00:57:16.000The whole world can approach other human beings like that.
00:57:23.000It's just we have to get past this ingrained scenario that we have in our head, which is that war is a part of nature, and nature It's insurmountable.
00:58:02.000Those aren't people thinking we're going to save the world.
00:58:04.000Those aren't people thinking the world is sinking.
00:58:08.000Those aren't people thinking we could destroy the environment by having a nuclear standoff.
00:58:15.000What they're thinking is, I'm going to gain power because I have a bunch of guys, you know, young guys, generally young men, with guns.
00:58:24.000If you look at what's happening in Europe right now, this is what's terrifying, is you go to Spain, and you say Spain, you know, old country, educated country, you know, EU country.
00:59:54.000Would it be hard or would that be offensive?
00:59:57.000For a military, it would have to be like...
00:59:59.000Well, they have the support of the military and the police.
01:00:02.000And everywhere we went was anti-immigration, anti-EU, anti-this, anti-that.
01:00:08.000And what's happening in Europe, this is what's terrifying is, because you have an economic crisis, you have the rise of communist and fascist.
01:00:14.000So, for example, in France, you have a very far-left government, and the second party is, Front National, fascist.
01:00:22.000And you sit there and you say, okay, the exact same political situation, exactly, That started World War II is happening today in Europe.
01:00:31.000Not fucking Africa, not Pakistan, not India, Europe.
01:00:35.000And it's happening in Germany, it's happening in Scandinavia, it's happening in Spain, it's happening in Italy, it's happening in Greece, it's happening in all these countries.
01:00:42.000And you sit there and everyone's just watching as exactly the same fucking thing that started World War II to the T! To the fucking T! Riots in the streets, ultra-right, ultra-left, wing parties fighting each other, radical parties getting more and more power,
01:00:58.000and you're saying, what the fuck do we have to do?
01:01:04.000It's exactly the same thing that started World War II. Is that just a natural cycle of humanity?
01:01:10.000I mean, if you look at societies, you look at cultures, and you look at this rise and fall, when you go to the Acropolis and you see ancient Greek ruins, and you wonder, why are these...
01:01:21.000Regular houses like really close to this incredible structure.
01:01:27.000Are we in this constant state of developing consciousness and one of the big wrestling matches of trying to sort of innovate and accomplish higher levels of Of society and culture is that you have to meet some sort of opposition.
01:01:45.000And if you don't meet opposition, you won't have the motivation to really accelerate things as fast as the technology around you is accelerating.
01:01:54.000You can completely get out of hand like it is right now.
01:02:15.000And what's interesting is when you go talk to young people in Europe and you say you understand that this is exactly the same thing that happened at the start of World War II, they're like, they don't know what you're talking about.
01:02:30.000The other thing is they don't understand war.
01:02:32.000And if you ever go look at war, and this is what I was talking about with Iraq, is war isn't the manly, you know, I got my shoulder nicked by a bullet or, you know, I come back with a Purple Heart.
01:03:14.000It's, in some cases in Africa, cannibalism.
01:03:17.000It's literally the lowest form of what we are as humanity.
01:03:21.000And people who say, let's go to fucking war, let's go to war, you should fucking realize that.
01:03:26.000Before you go to war, young dudes that we know are going to come back and their dick isn't going to work again, they're never going to shit right again.
01:03:34.000All this stuff and you go, okay, that's what these people...
01:03:39.000Are proposing in Europe, in India, in Pakistan, in Africa, in Southeast Asia, in some cases in South America, and in some cases here.
01:04:10.000You don't, but you don't see what it really does.
01:04:13.000So you occasionally meet the wounded, but you don't go to the battlefield.
01:04:16.000The reason why I do what I do is because I've been to war zones, And I've seen shit that makes your stomach fucking turn, and you'll never sleep right again.
01:04:27.000Because when you see what war really fucking does, and talk to Marines, and talk to Rangers, and talk to guys who come back from war.
01:04:33.000Talk to them before they go, and then talk to them when they come back.
01:04:37.000It's a completely different fucking conversation.
01:04:39.000I have, and it's very similar to people that I know that have been to jail.
01:04:44.000I have a friend, we were friends when I was a teenager, and he was always crazy.
01:05:20.000Well, I've met friends that have gone to war, too.
01:05:23.000I've had quite a few friends that were in the military and went over and came back, including a buddy of mine who went over as a mercenary.
01:05:31.000It's a weird conversation when you're alone, sitting down on a curb somewhere going, so what did you have to do?
01:06:14.000When you see war and the aftermath of war, which is, again, to describe it, I'm not even going to do it justice, but milky eyes from chemical weapons, people with their limbs hacked off systematically, women who have been raped 50,
01:06:38.000Incredibly scarred people, and by the way, if you go over, especially if you go over from our culture, spend three years in that culture, and look, it's chronicled after World War II, after Vietnam, after Afghanistan, after Iraq, and you go to these things, you will never be normal again.
01:06:54.000You will never, either mentally or physically, you will never be normal again.
01:06:58.000So, why do we still fucking rattle our sabers?
01:07:01.000Why do we still say we're going to fight?
01:07:03.000Why do we still say we're going to fuck each other up?
01:07:06.000And the thing is, is if you look at it and you say, okay, why the fuck did we go to Iraq?
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