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00:07:52.000I took that ZMA, and then I went out to eat, and I started falling asleep while I was on the beginning stages of ZMA, and that stuff hits you hard.
00:08:02.000Like, I couldn't really drive on the way home.
00:08:04.000It was like being drunk driving last night.
00:10:58.000But the more you see shit like that, you're like, nah, not really an exaggeration anymore.
00:11:02.000In fact, it's just as fucked up or more fucked up than fiction.
00:11:08.000Like the cum drinking part in Fear Factor, when we had people drink cum, that's more fucked up than anything you've ever seen in a movie about life being fucked up.
00:12:07.000First of all, because I think people associate cats with pets.
00:12:12.000You know, they associate it with, aw, poor little kitty, come to my house, and you keep him in your house, and then the fucking cat doesn't get to eat any rats.
00:12:19.000And the other thing is that they spread diseases, like that toxoplasma thing, the one that they know about with rats.
00:12:26.000That would be really irresponsible if you wanted to have a bunch of cats and a bunch of rats interacting with people.
00:12:32.000What if they give him little outfits that show that they work for the city, like the orange outfits and stuff, and it's illegal if you take him into your house?
00:12:53.000Yeah, but they would put trackers, just like the coyotes would put little Fitbits in the cat's asses.
00:12:57.000Yeah, I don't know if that works like that.
00:12:59.000I don't think if you do that to cats, people would get mad at you.
00:13:02.000If you had a bunch of cats running around with RFID collars on and you were leaving them in the wild and forcing them to fend for themselves.
00:13:08.000Yeah, but you tell them like, hey, or they're going to get euthanized tonight.
00:13:12.000Yeah, but people would want to feed them.
00:13:13.000They would want to be interacting with them.
00:13:15.000And when people interact with cats, if it's a feral cat, that's when you have the risk of that toxoplasma infection.
00:16:26.000One of the newest things that someone tweeted me is this combination polar bear-grizzly bear hybrid that has been seen a lot in Alaska lately.
00:16:43.000The picture we're looking at is a dead fish that has this larva, whatever the fuck it is, beetle, bug-looking thing living in its mouth that literally replaces the fish's tongue.
00:16:54.000The fish can't get rid of it, so it just accepts the fact this thing lives in its mouth.
00:16:58.000And the fish keeps eating, and as the fish is eating, this thing, living as its tongue, gets to feast.
00:17:06.000This works the dick, and this works the balls.
00:18:59.000So I want to thank you, first of all, for taking this conversation with us, because you don't know anything about this podcast, and you took a real chance in doing this, and I really appreciate that.
00:19:14.000I'm saying your story is absolutely fascinating and it really is a privilege to be able to communicate with you while all this is going on because as you know, your story has become a bit of a pop culture legend right now.
00:19:30.000And for folks who don't know what the story is, you founded McAfee Antivirus Software, a tremendously successful company.
00:19:38.000But for the last five years, you've been living in Belize, sort of living like a character in a Hunter S. Thompson movie.
00:19:45.000And now you're in a bit of hot water and you're on the lam stating your case on your blog, which is official.
00:20:42.000The story has gotten out there through the agents of people like Jeff Wise and Joshua Davis of Wired Magazine, and so the story was radically incorrect as they portrayed it.
00:20:55.000They portrayed you as this sort of off-the-rails nutter who's living in this beautiful country and having a big party for your life.
00:21:06.000It seemed like you were, you know, that's how they portrayed it.
00:21:58.000Let's just say what you're wanted for, first of all.
00:22:00.000Your next-door neighbor turned up dead.
00:22:03.000And you had to flee for your safety because you're sure, rather, that there's some sort of a conspiracy and that they're going to try to not only blame you for that, but you believe even possibly harm you or kill you.
00:23:47.000In the last day of April of this year, I woke up at 6 in the morning to 42 armed soldiers in full riot gear carrying automatic weapons storming my property in Orange Walk on the River.
00:24:00.000I was held in handcuffs behind my back in the sun for fourteen hours without food or water.
00:24:06.000At one point, by the way, I asked a guard for food and water, not just for me, but for everyone else.
00:24:10.000The guard's response was, do I look like a chef to you?
00:24:15.000Now, indeed, he did not look like a chef, so it was my mistake, but it was not a pleasant day.
00:24:20.000From that moment on, I've had nothing but problems with the Belizean government.
00:24:24.000The day afterwards, I demanded an apology from the Prime Minister.
00:24:32.000Now, they thought that you were running a meth lab.
00:24:36.000Because you actually were doing some legitimate scientific work, according to what I've read, was that you were trying to work on some new antibiotic that comes from plants found in the rainforest.
00:24:56.000It was a topical antiseptic, but a fairly magical one.
00:25:00.000By the way, a week after the raid, the government tried to charge me with running an antibiotics laboratory without a license.
00:25:07.000That failed because, first of all, no such law exists.
00:25:12.000After that, they tried to charge me for hiring security guards without a license.
00:25:16.000It's been going on non-stop for seven months.
00:25:20.000Now, the other reason why they would suspect that there was some crazy drugs involved was because of forum posts that have been attributed to you that were all about purifying the chemicals known as bath salts and turning them into some crazy new,
00:25:37.000more concentrated form of something that makes you hypersexual.
00:25:43.000And all these posts online were attributed to you.
00:26:32.000However, had I rediscovered that formula, I would go to Bayer, Bayer Laboratories in Germany, with a formula and a sample and demand a check for a billion dollars.
00:27:11.000I mean, what do you think drugs are all about, sir?
00:27:13.000Well, yeah, I think people draw the line with bath salts.
00:27:18.000I don't know the actual effects of it physically, because I haven't experienced them, but when you see them attributed to people biting people's faces off and shit like that, which is what we see in the news, and the crazy stories on airwood.com, If you go.org,
00:27:33.000if you go and read the Arrowhead trip reports of people who have taken that stuff, it doesn't seem like a good experience at all.
00:27:40.000So I don't know how that would be really profitable.
00:27:43.000If you read this post, sir, it had nothing to do with basalt.
00:27:46.000It had to do with a drug called MTPV-CAN. If you read all of the myth about it, it had nothing to do with that.
00:28:42.000I just thought it was a very strange thing to do, to write this really elaborate troll about sex, you know, about making, you know, you want to jerk off to your dick bleeds.
00:28:54.000Okay, well, I thought it was hilarious too, but some people did not.
00:28:57.000But listen, this is not unique for me.
00:28:59.000If you search online for a thing called observational yoga, let me tell you this story.
00:29:04.000A woman from the Village Voice, writing for the Village Voice, called me to make a comment on the highly publicized lawsuit between Bikram Chowdhury and a guy named Gregory Gamuchio.
00:29:15.000And Gregory used to be one of my yoga students.
00:29:27.000I said, well, we've discovered that if you sit in an easy chair, drink wine, and eat hors d'oeuvres, and watch people do yoga, you get exactly the same benefits.
00:31:10.000Going to be this incredibly rich guy, which by all reports you are, living in this country, having a 17-year-old girlfriend, which by all reports you do, and you were...
00:31:24.000And you were trying to have a good time, and you were cooking up some stuff, and I wouldn't necessarily think you would want to take it public.
00:31:35.000I would think that that in and of itself, you know, cooking that stuff up and reporting about it online would be enough.
00:31:41.000I mean, if you were a poor person and it was an amazing business opportunity, but I feel like a guy like you who moves down to Belize with a shitload of money, you're already in it for the vacation.
00:31:52.000Anyway, why would you go back to work?
00:31:54.000Why would you really try to pitch some hypersexual meth?
00:31:58.000You know, I could see playing devil's advocate why people would think that that is the story.
00:32:04.000Could you see why people would think that's the story?
00:32:38.000I don't know if anybody's been following the blog, and Samantha is probably, she has more balls than any woman I have ever met, and she is a fierce Tiger-like ball of fire, and she is looking at me now like she's going to rip one of my legs off, or maybe both of my nuts.
00:35:34.000You are living that life that everybody would say, like, one day, man, fuck it, I just want to retire to some awesome country, live on the beach, and have lots of beautiful women around me.
00:35:55.000No matter where you're living, I swear it has been improvement.
00:35:58.000Well, I believe your situation right now is dire.
00:36:01.000Before this, though, you were living this magical life of retirement fantasies, what men think of as like the perfect sort of a place to live as an expat.
00:37:50.000In fact, I've had more lawsuits than God.
00:37:54.000Of everything from someone tripping over a log on my property and suing me for $10 million to a wrongful death from the passenger in my nephew's airplane.
00:38:03.000Yeah, that is an unfortunate aspect of our society that people look at any sort of a situation where it involves dealing with a rich person as possibly an opportunity to hit the lottery.
00:38:19.000When a guy like you, you're obviously a very successful man and you become a target for shysters, right?
00:38:27.000Basically, let me tell you, this is the strangest lawsuit.
00:38:29.000I bought a house in Florida, put a down payment down, changed my mind a few days later and said, I'm declining the contract, keep the down payment.
00:38:38.000I was sued for half a million dollars, even though two weeks later they resold the house for hundreds of thousands more than my contract.
00:39:24.000I didn't realize that as a rich foreigner, you are obligated to pay your dues.
00:39:31.000That is, you know, if you're going to donate money, I've donated more than $7 million worth of stuff in this country, but I did it in a way that the powers that be could not skim anything.
00:39:41.000You know, I bought boots, for example, for every police officer in the Orange Walk District.
00:42:38.000Well, it's kind of interesting that you would be held responsible for it when you think about the fact that who knows how many people die in motorcycle accidents every year.
00:42:46.000And that's thought to be a respectable, normal activity, although very dangerous.
00:42:51.000When people die in it, you don't go immediately looking for someone to sue because they were involved in a dangerous activity.
00:43:53.000I mean, maybe you don't understand that That when you love a country and you love the people, and you love where you are, it becomes your home.
00:44:02.000So I don't care how bad it gets, I don't care how many nasty people show up at the top of the government, I will fight it.
00:44:34.000You say that, man, but you're going way out of your way to speak to people like myself, to speak to Alex Jones today, which I know you had a conversation with earlier, talking to people at Wired, telling your case.
00:44:45.000You obviously have a vested interest in staying alive and a vested interest in telling the truth about your situation.
00:44:54.000You're not a guy that's looking at the end.
00:44:58.000No, I'm not, but I'll tell you one thing.
00:45:00.000My most important point, and I'm going to say right now, is that three of my friends are in prison, and they have been in prison for going on three weeks because they could not get their hands on me.
00:45:11.000Even if they do get their hands on me, those friends will stay in prison.
00:45:18.000They have been charged with bogus charges.
00:45:20.000If you go to my website, which is whoismcafee.com, again, whoismcafee.com, You will find email forms, email the prime minister, everybody is listed there, demand that these people get released.
00:45:37.000This is injustice at the highest order.
00:45:39.000I may be an old man, but they are all young men.
00:45:41.000One of them is in his early twenties with a brand new baby.
00:45:44.000His wife, by the way, was arrested and held for a week with a newborn baby before she was released.
00:45:51.000You know, anybody who aids in the bedroom was arrested, a cab driver who helped me, he was arrested.
00:48:28.000So you believe that by exposing all this corruption, turning a lot of negative publicity on the way the government's run in Belize, this could hurt their economy and it could make them reconsider and become nice?
00:48:50.000But it seems like you're in a situation where you're dealing with so many dangerous folks.
00:48:55.000I couldn't imagine you not wanting to just get the fuck out of there and maybe come back to America where our system of law is a little bit more obvious.
00:49:05.000Okay, well, there are a couple of issues.
00:49:06.000Number one, I'm traveling with a young woman whose life is in my hands and trying to get her out of the country with me or move with her would put her in danger.
00:49:50.000It's great that you have such a loyal companion.
00:49:52.000My humor is stretched thin these days, so if I miss some of it, please forgive me.
00:49:56.000It's great that you have such a loyal companion in this terrible time of crisis.
00:50:01.000Now, how are you, I mean, without giving away your location and giving away your methods of concealment, can you tell us about how you're living?
00:51:08.000And yet we've managed for almost three weeks to obey the authorities, and I plan on continuing to do it until my dying day, if necessary.
00:51:16.000So the idea is not to hole up until you get this resolved.
00:51:21.000The idea is to just hole up to the end.
00:51:26.000Well, when I get this resolved, if I get this resolved, that is the end.
00:51:30.000Then I go home, Sam gets with me, and we go back to swimming and fishing and sitting in the sun.
00:51:37.000Now, you've used a bunch of different elaborate disguises, too, that you were pretty open with, different things that you did to hide your appearance.
00:51:48.000Actually, I met the Financial Times reporter of Adam Thompson came.
00:51:54.000He was actually going to come and stay with us for a length of time and chronicle our events, but he kind of freaked out after he got here and was seriously freaked out and begged to leave after four hours.
00:52:07.000He did get four hours of tape interview and his story will appear in the London Financial Times on the 7th of December.
00:53:02.000There's an e-book about you that started off as an article in Wired, but it became so interesting that this writer constructed an e-book, and they're selling it now, I believe, on Amazon, right?
00:54:49.000Well, I understand that what's really important to you is to get out the reality of the corruption in Belize, and that's what was important about...
00:54:57.000But do you understand that more people are going to read that piece because they got a picture of you naked with a shotgun?
00:55:04.000It's really hard to find pictures of me naked with a shotgun.
00:56:30.000So you're just not interested in revealing those aspects of your personal life, and you thought that by having him and having him over in confidence, he would not make it about that.
00:56:57.000I'm going to just use you as a springboard, which I did.
00:57:00.000Well, and I appreciate that you did do that.
00:57:02.000So that's how I found out about your blog.
00:57:05.000And I think that's one of the most beautiful things about this day and age is that a guy like you really cannot be misrepresented because you can represent yourself.
00:57:14.000And you can put your own words down on a blog and have an answer for every question instead of just leaving things up to your accusers, especially in a situation like yours where you're on the run.
00:57:24.000You still have the opportunity to put up your version of the things, word for word, exactly how you want it distributed.
00:57:33.000And that's a rare thing about our time and this conversation that we're having right now.
00:58:43.000The way it's broken up in commercials and designed to sandwich products in between that you don't want.
00:58:48.000It's a dying way of distributing information.
00:58:51.000It just doesn't hold up in the age of the internet.
00:58:54.000But I think this is one of the rare cases as far as a big news story like yours where a guy gets to really tell his story to a bunch of different...
00:59:17.000Yeah, it would have been a completely different story with a different ending.
00:59:36.000We know, by the way, it was Michael Jackson who killed his wife.
00:59:38.000I mean, if you can remember that far back, Michael Jackson and the young boy were headlines.
00:59:43.000And then suddenly, everybody forgot about him and started looking at O.J. So, if you look at the motive, it had to be Michael Jackson.
01:00:08.000Are you comfortable with this position of being this guy who's on the run and being this guy who's accused of a horrible crime and having this really crazy wild lifestyle?
01:00:23.000Are you enjoying this stage of your life other than the fact that you're on the run?
01:00:34.000But I'm not backing off from anything.
01:00:36.000It's not something that is going to deter me from continuing.
01:00:40.000I mean, I would much rather have the freedom of movement.
01:00:43.000I'd like to jump in my pool and sun myself and sit at the end of the dock and throw a fishing line in the water or just get in the boat and bob around for a while.
01:00:51.000But no, this is not something I'm comfortable with.
01:00:57.000How many people have a negative reaction to your lifestyle, the lifestyle that you were leading before you got into trouble with the Belize government?
01:01:05.000The older guy with the young chicks partying all the time?
01:02:24.000Well, I'm happy when I see anybody enjoying themselves and being happy because, my God, you know, the person next to you is just like yourself.
01:02:32.000You know, we're not as separate as you think.
01:02:36.000And so the rational and sane person with a heart is always happy when they see another person happy.
01:02:42.000That's why we smile when other people smile.
01:02:45.000Yeah, what is it about other people's success that for some reason with weak-minded people, somehow or another they feel like it's taking away from them?
01:03:37.000You're a man of considerable resources.
01:03:39.000I would think that a guy with your kind of wealth would at least be able to arrange for some sort of legal meeting with someone in the United States to help you get back.
01:04:16.000You know, the government is not stupid, and I know for a fact that tourism has to have been impacted by this affair, and not in a positive way, sir.
01:04:25.000And given the fact that tourism is 70% of the economy, I believe that eventually common sense will prevail.
01:04:55.000The last person who gave himself in for talking was a guy named Arthur Young.
01:05:00.000They handcuffed his hands behind his back and shot him 14 times in a police van because they claimed, with his hands handcuffed behind his back, he attempted to wrestle a weapon away from one of the 10 officers in there with him.
01:07:58.000Yeah, I think it's really silly that he wants to stay there, though.
01:08:01.000If I was him, I'd get the fuck out of there, deal with it from afar using lawyers or some other kind of way, and then return there when you can.
01:08:12.000Because it seems like it just doesn't seem smart just to...
01:08:15.000Well, it was very, it was like, conflicted.
01:08:18.000Because he would tell you that it's so corrupt, and it's fucked up, and they murder people, and you turn yourself in, they shoot you in the van.
01:09:03.000There's one way to tell is they actually, when the guy was shot, they have a ballistics on the bullet, and then when the dogs were poisoned, McAfee had to put the dogs down.
01:09:14.000So they actually dug up the dogs, cut the dogs' heads off, And they took the dogs' heads to forensics labs.
01:09:20.000So they were trying to prove that the bullets that killed the guy are the same that killed the dogs, which would mean that McAfee...
01:09:26.000But they haven't been able to do that.
01:09:28.000And if they did, that would be, like, big news.
01:09:31.000See, they can't fake that kind of science.
01:11:16.000But Voodoo Chicken is the first guy who turned me on to it, and he put it on the Rogan board, and I read his take on it, and I was like, this is fucking bananas.
01:11:27.000Like, this guy, if he really was doing that, was hyper-concentrating this drug, whatever the fuck it is, that makes you ridiculously hypersexual, you know?
01:11:40.000And then taking it and fucking his 17-year-old girlfriend...
01:11:45.000But the thing is, he does have a 17-year-old girlfriend.
01:11:48.000At least he did have a 17-year-old girlfriend when he was doing this.
01:12:09.000I mean, but he's, you know, he's acting as if he's all respectable and everything, but he's still banging 17-year-olds.
01:12:17.000Like, he's not, I'm not saying that he's doing those drugs, but at least he knows a shitload about those drugs, he knows enough to talk about it, and he's banging a 17-year-old.
01:12:27.000And if you're really rich and your neighbor's dogs are barking a lot.
01:15:02.000Isn't it funny how you can use all the bandwidth you want if you have an internet connection, but if you have a cellular internet connection, that shit's capped like a motherfucker.
01:15:25.000I don't think they should give you an open-ended device like a phone that has internet access on it and say you can only use it a certain amount.
01:16:02.000Point stands, you shouldn't be selling a fucking cell phone with internet on it until you have the backbone to give everybody internet if they use it all at once.
01:17:02.000I mean, I did want to ask him how he's hiding, but he was pretty...
01:17:06.000Open about certain aspects of it in other interviews, about coloring his face, like with shoe polish and shit, and putting stuff in his mouth to make it look like he's fat.
01:17:17.000Well, I'm thinking that he was just straight up dressed up as a girl.
01:17:43.000If you're living in a country that has those kind of laws, like the laws where they can arrest you for life, you don't want to live in that country.
01:17:49.000Because if you do one thing wrong with it, you're going to go to prison.
01:17:52.000It might be pretty outside, but you have to live in some kind of safe, no bullshit kind of government thing.
01:18:38.000Two million dollars is a lot of fucking money, even for a billionaire, to give to some political douche rag in a crazy little island that was founded by pirates.
01:19:12.000Well, I mean, it's just getting sloppy for him, I think.
01:19:16.000Unless Belich has a donkey in their government office, just sitting there with a bucket, a donkey, and they're like, alright, let's find this guy.
01:19:26.000I don't know how, is this place high-tech at all?
01:20:33.000The manufacturer of virus software, one of the biggest virus software companies on the planet, that guy must be so technologically literate.
01:20:43.000He must know how to mask things and hide things.
01:20:47.000I wonder how much McAfee and Norton created virus in the 90s and 2000s.
01:21:21.000This drug, I want to know more about this fucking drug, because I've never heard of it before, this situation, because I'd never known that there was anything that makes you hypersexual.
01:22:17.000It's something extracted from ants and it's called Hot Rod 5000. It really works, but it really works.
01:22:25.000I recommend it for special occasions, but that shit's rough.
01:22:29.000When you have a hard-on that won't stop, when you can't cum, it's great if you have a 17-year-old girl and you're running away doing yoga, and you're fucking her in a gutter.
01:25:03.000I wanted to ask him whether or not that was true.
01:25:06.000Because if he was suffering from extreme paranoia and this statement that he gave explaining that these cops were out there and they were just standing there staring at him and no one said anything...
01:25:16.000And he couldn't move because if he moved, they were going to shoot him.
01:25:18.000And he was talking about his shoulders killing him because he was leaning up against it and he dared not move.
01:25:23.000And then finally at like 4.30 in the morning, they just like went away.
01:25:26.000It was like, what kind of a crazy story is that?
01:25:55.000But he was saying that you can't do it and not get addicted to it.
01:25:59.000But apparently that's not necessarily true.
01:26:02.000Like this guy was saying that he did it for two weeks and he stopped doing it and he was writing a report on it.
01:26:06.000There's a lot of reports in this shit.
01:26:10.000This guy, Paul Early, is an addiction specialist and he warns about the dangers of MDPV. He says, our experience clearly warns of the psychiatric addiction.
01:26:25.000We have cared for multiple patients who have abused MDPV, and they report intense and unpleasant visual hallucinations after a short binge.
01:26:35.000The drug feels non-toxic with its first use, but following a moderate binge, users suffer from mild to moderate paranoia in about 10% of individuals who have So this guy is just outright saying on Gizmodo that he used this stuff.
01:27:03.000Even though McAfee is saying that it's all a troll.
01:27:06.000I think even if you don't know it's a troll, you have to say that McAfee says it's a troll.
01:28:34.000The specific properties of the drugs he was attempting to isolate also fit in well with what those closest to him have reported that he is an enthusiastic amateur pharmacologist with a long-standing interest in drugs that induce sexual behavior in women.
01:29:42.000Not me, but whoever invented antiseptics in the first place.
01:29:46.000I mean, who has a lab that does anything?
01:29:48.000If you're living in the rainforest, which I think Belize is like a rainforest, all of the medical, like, modern medical breakthroughs, not all of them, but a big percentage of them, come from plants that are discovered in remote rainforests.
01:30:02.000Yeah, I mean, He did say that he was just walking around picking out plants by the creek and stuff.
01:30:07.000There's a lot of people that fucking trip on plants, you know?
01:33:19.000All of a sudden your beach ball is just spinning on your desktop and you're like, what the fuck's going on?
01:33:24.000If there was a machine and you were held down and strapped in, and the answer, the real answer to this guy McAfee, you know, is he guilty or not guilty?
01:33:34.000And if you had to choose one, and if you choose wrong, a huge black dick goes shoved in your mouth and he comes in you.
01:34:00.000Like, to be connected to yes or no is, to me, seems a silly choice.
01:34:06.000Like, there's a lot of people that make choices about shit, you know, whether someone's guilty or not guilty, and they get all Nancy Grace on things.
01:34:13.000And, you know, and sometimes they're fucking wrong.
01:34:16.000Like, Nancy Grace was with the Duke Lacrosse case.
01:34:19.000You know, those guys were innocent, and there was a rape.
01:34:23.000And Nancy Grace, like, for days was on TV accusing them of doing it.
01:35:06.000If that guy really was doing MDPV and all those people on Gizmodo are telling the truth, or the guy on Gizmodo is telling the truth about all the people he talked to, then the guy's a liar.
01:35:18.000And everything he says has to be questioned.
01:35:21.000If he really never has done that MDPV, then we could look at him and go, wow, maybe this guy's being set up.
01:35:28.000But if he has done it and he lied about that, just on this show, if he told that false version of himself, for any reason...
01:35:37.000You know, you can't trust him anymore.
01:35:40.000The way he doesn't want to leave, like, no, I will not pay too much.
01:35:44.000Like, he's got this, you know, edge to him where it makes me think that if he was high on some kind of fucking drug or whatever, and somebody killed your dogs.
01:35:54.000You know, and you're a guy that has a machine gun and you don't like shirts much and you're high on this shit.
01:36:02.000I could see him just raging going like, no, you don't know who you fucked with, you know?
01:36:32.000Surround yourself with thug-like characters.
01:36:35.000He doesn't seem like he would hang out with thugs.
01:36:36.000He seems like he would hang out with yoga dudes.
01:36:38.000Well, at least in that one photo that we were showing during the thing, but then that other photo where he has the gun, he kind of looks like, okay, that guy's craziness.
01:36:45.000I bet he would have been a fun dude to hang around with before all this shit went down.
01:37:39.000Yeah, plagued by lawsuits, even like way before this, in 2010, it talked about him hiding in Belize.
01:37:50.000And now he hopes to give something back by deriving antibiotics from jungle plants in Belize.
01:37:58.000Seems like he's definitely a dude who likes attention.
01:38:02.000It was pretty easy to get him to come on the podcast and talk.
01:38:06.000There must be part of him that's enjoying a little bit of this notoriety he's experiencing here.
01:38:12.000Or he just wants to make us and everybody know about it, kind of like a news type thing, because the more people know about it, if he does get caught, people are going to be like, what?
01:38:29.000The whole thing is, I mean, the fact that he wouldn't see how it being a personality piece would lead people to pay more attention to it.
01:38:38.000He's smiling with this fucking gun in his hand, looking straight at the camera.
01:38:43.000By the way, it's not just one photo of him like that.
01:38:47.000If you look at the photos of him online, like the first three, if you look under his McAfee photo images, the first three are of him topless with guns.
01:40:49.000He had a—well, I don't want to tell the story, but there's some great accounts of his own psychedelic experiences that maybe he'll get into.
01:40:59.000He had some fairly psychotic episode where I don't think he—I think he lost his sanity for a couple weeks.
01:42:53.000I need to find what all the options are as far as dedicated lines.
01:43:00.000Like when they do an ISDN line, when someone has to do the radio.
01:43:04.000I know people who have radio studios, they have a dedicated line.
01:43:08.000I'm pretty sure that kind of shit's not as good as...
01:43:10.000No, it's terrible, but I'm saying I wonder if they can do that with like a T1 or a T3. Not a T1. T1's not good enough, but like a T3 line or something like that.
01:46:15.000Because I would be getting phone calls, like I'll set my alarm to wake me up, and then I'll get a phone call at like 2 in the morning, you know, and I'll be like, oh, what the fuck, and it'll wake me up.
01:46:22.000Or somebody will send me a stupid text, you know, at 6 in the morning.
01:47:21.000Well, there's something to be said for not, you know, when you're constantly interacting with people all day long, you have no time to reflect.
01:47:42.000After a while, if you're in the loop of communicating with a bunch of different people all the time, you're constantly responding to things.
01:51:52.000It's a suitcase, and when you open it up, and it's travel approved, when you open it up, there's a 19-inch monitor, a sound system, there's lights, you put your Xbox in there, or your PS3, and this is the Star Wars Xbox, and you travel with it.
01:52:53.000I bought it for the studio because we do so many video game podcasts at Death Squad that I was like, we should have a unit here so we can play video games and show people.
01:55:51.000You know, by the way, that's not any more ridiculous than any of the other songs I hear on one of those serious XF, XM, like the coffee house.
01:56:11.000And what it does is it connects to your Wi-Fi network and then you have a wireless webcam and it has a button on it that you push that automatically starts streaming the Ustream.
01:56:21.000So Ustream has partnered with these guys, I guess, somehow.
01:56:25.000But it has a tripod with a magnet on it so you can rotate it all around, which is also a case.
01:58:35.000Ari Shafir said it was so good after you waited in line an hour and a half it was worth it.
01:58:38.000Anything's good if you wait in line for an hour and a half.
01:58:40.000That's why anytime your wife cooks for you it's always good because you had to sit there and wait two hours instead of two minutes for putting a lean pocket in the microwave.
01:58:47.000You were like, alright, I just had to sit here and smell the whole cooking process of the food.
01:58:51.000Of course I'm going to love your food.
02:00:30.000How dare you be on doomsday preppers with that bitch-ass attitude?
02:00:33.000There was one couple that was really religious and they were buying a lot of alcohol.
02:00:38.000And like, we don't even drink alcohol, but we're going to need it for bartering and also to construct Molotov cocktails in case we're attacked.
02:00:45.000And so then they were practicing with the Molotov cocktails.
02:00:48.000They had these rocks and they would light the fucking thing.
02:00:54.000You know what a Molotov cocktail is, folks.
02:00:55.000You take a thing of high-proof alcohol and you stuff a rag in it and get it all wet with the alcohol and then you light the rag.
02:01:04.000And throw it and it explodes in flames.
02:01:06.000These fucking dummies are standing there throwing glasses of vodka at the rocks and burst them into flames.
02:02:19.000The apocalypse, you know, being like that, a road warrior type scenario, that ain't shit compared to what it definitely used to be.
02:02:26.000And somebody had to get through that to get to here.
02:02:29.000They had to get through that to get to here.
02:02:32.000But the problem is, once you're already here, very tough to go back to caveman days.
02:02:38.000Very tough to scrounge out a living, eating dead people that you find under a fucking overpass, because that's the only meat that you can bring home to your family.
02:03:47.000Some people send out messages, but they won't actively...
02:03:51.000There's not a lot for them, you know, the internet companies and going after people that are pirates.
02:03:58.000It's almost like, eh, you gotta figure that shit out on your own.
02:04:01.000They're in the business of providing internet service, and one of the things that people want to do with that internet service is download shit.
02:04:07.000You know, for you to, like, start peering into what they're downloading and...
02:04:15.000That guy, Kim.com, who said he was famous in the early days of the internet.
02:04:21.000He used to be a hacker and then became a computer securities expert and apparently made a fuckload of money And he used to have this blog and he takes all these crazy pictures of him in front of his yacht and chilling in Brazil and flying in his private jet to this place.
02:04:38.000And he's got this ridiculous mansion where he lives in New Zealand.
02:04:41.000And he's embroiled in this huge legal battle because of MegaUpload.com, which was his website that was accused of hosting pirated material.
02:04:54.000And apparently the government, according to Kim.com, he complied with every request the government had for taking things down, and that they actually asked him to not take these certain files down.
02:05:09.000And those are the ones that they wound up charging him for.
02:05:12.000Because they asked him to not do it because they were trying to track it or something like that.
02:05:17.000So he's saying that they acted in bad faith in organizing their evidence against him.
02:05:25.000But it's kind of interesting that this guy is like this super rich geek who is trying to keep file sharing alive and keep these upload sites alive.
02:05:37.000And now he's making one where everyone else can contribute bandwidth and storage.
02:05:46.000And they're offering one-click encryption on the fly for free for all data.
02:05:53.000So it's really going to be interesting to see where this goes.
02:05:57.000Because if this guy can figure out how to do that, what can these record industry people and what can these movie industry people do about that?
02:06:10.000Because what he's saying is that there's data on his site that shows that when Mega Upload was...
02:06:20.000Was shut down that it actually hurt box office numbers.
02:06:24.000That it doesn't hurt huge blockbuster movies like Mission Impossible type shit.
02:06:31.000But it hurts the box offices of more obscure movies who would be heard about and transferred and talked about through the internet.
02:06:40.000And that people would hear about it because of other people downloading them and that would actually cause more people to go out and buy and see it.
02:06:47.000Which is, you know, sort of the attitude that most comics take, is that having anything of yours that's out on the internet, the more that's out there the better, because then people will hear about you and they'll be able to go out and get your stuff.
02:07:04.000That's why very few comics remove, like, MP3s for copyright violation.
02:07:09.000It's like, they're happy if anybody's listening, because then more people listen to your future shit.
02:07:14.000It's an interesting argument, you know, as far as what's copywritten and what's not, and what hurts and what doesn't.
02:07:21.000When someone's got a fucking movie theater in their house, though, that's when shit hurts.
02:07:24.000You essentially have a movie theater in your house now.
02:07:27.000Dude, my new shit is a movie theater in my house.
02:07:29.000I've been watching so much shit on that thing, and I could see it being...
02:07:35.000I saw Wreck-It Ralph the other day, and I went to one of those movie theaters where it was in a small room where the screen was about the same size as the screen that now I have in my house.
02:07:46.000I just took one wall of my living room and pretty much made it a movie theater screen.
02:07:51.000And the projectors are so good nowadays that they're HD that it's like you don't need...
02:12:19.000Next week, Pauler Live in Bellevue, Washington with Powerful Sam Tripoli.
02:12:24.000And then the Wilton Theater, December 21st, 2012, the End of the World show with Honey Honey, Doug Stanhope, Joey motherfucking Diaz, and moi.
02:15:55.000You don't think, like, I don't dream like that.
02:15:58.000I don't, like, if I think about somebody, you know, running, I can kind of see them running in my head, but this was, like, full-on motion video.
02:18:39.000There's also the ideas that every thought that you make, this is one of the weirdest.
02:18:44.000Theories that I've ever heard about reality.
02:18:47.000Every decision you make, every direction you choose to go in, branches you off into a completely separate area of the universe, and it creates an entirely new universe with new possibilities and new probabilities.
02:19:01.000It's like one of the things that they used to say about time travel is you could never really go back in time, because if you did, you could affect The reality of just by existing in the past, you could affect the future so much that you might never have been born.
02:19:13.000You could really fuck up the possibilities for everything.
02:19:17.000Like you could throw a ripple into the wave.
02:19:20.000Well, the idea is that you sort of do that with every decision you make and every direction you move in.
02:19:26.000And that not only is that possibility a reality, but that all the other possibilities are alternate realities that you don't experience.
02:19:37.000But you could have made every wrong choice, every possible choice, and they all branch off into completely new universes.
02:19:44.000And that all these things are going on together at the same time.
02:19:46.000And that when you're having a deja vu, you're almost like crisscrossing with your possible worlds.
02:19:52.000And you have like a blip in the matrix, a blip in time.
02:20:27.000A girl and her friend doesn't like you and you don't even have to like say a word you just feel it yeah you feel like oh what the fuck's going on here that that's a real that's a real energy being passed back and forth and that can really affect your life if that person's in your life that gross feeling now becomes a part of your reality that it actually shapes your possibilities I don't know I think I think we're learning a lot
02:20:57.000about reality, about what you can and can't do to influence it, what you can and can't do to shape it.
02:21:03.000We're learning a lot about it by doing this fucking show.
02:21:51.000Looks like we've got to do tomorrow fairly early, like noon-ish, with the great Duncan Trussell.
02:21:56.000I've got some shit I've got to do in the afternoon.
02:21:58.000So that will be tomorrow's podcast, and then Thursday, the one and only Eddie motherfucking Bravo, and that will also be around the same time, which is 12-ish p.m., Pacific Time, you fucking freaks.
02:22:13.000And both of those will be done with shitty internet, so good luck trying to watch it on Ustream.