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00:04:20.000But the thing is, no one would be able to really afford to do that much damage to themselves on a satellite phone until the price comes down a little bit.
00:06:16.000I'm telling you, my wife had, we had a baby a month ago, and like I said, I've been sleeping on the floor next to the bed in a sleeping bag, and all night, I'm getting interrupted, and I can't remember anything.
00:06:28.000And last night, at one point, I'm like, you know what?
00:07:16.000You know, there's so many, like, when you get Wild Game in a restaurant...
00:07:20.000It's either imported, like come from Scotland or New Zealand and be deer, but the domestic ant, like the, I'm sorry, the indigenous animals here, you know, people have done wild game versions, like you can get elk or deer or whatever.
00:08:01.000I went to Vietnam and did a piece about eating dogs around the Tet holiday because it's like really auspicious to eat a dog in the last days of the lunar year.
00:08:10.000Well, I was writing my article and I had this line in there in my article where I'm like, you know, of course it's illegal to sell dog meat in the U.S. But in other, you know, some line like that.
00:08:20.000And this fact checker was like, well, how do you know?
00:08:59.000Within their guidelines, there's no reason you could not have an inspected dog production facility.
00:09:04.000Of course someone's going to come after you.
00:09:06.000The minute you did it, you'd probably have tons of people coming after you for different reasons, but there's nothing per se that's like one cannot commercially produce dog meat.
00:09:14.000It's fascinating how we commit like that to being really kind to one specific animal, and that animal almost becomes our family.
00:09:20.000Well, that was our domestic, our pets, right?
00:12:45.000Yeah, but usually there's one strong, very severe flu, whether it's swine flu, or this year it's supposed to be particularly severe, so I guess they inject you with a dead version, but it still can give you a fever and stuff because it's a new agent in your body.
00:12:58.000And isn't it fucked that they all come from farms?
00:13:01.000It's like almost all of them are like the chicken flu or the swine flu.
00:13:06.000That's why in Guns, Germs and Steel, Jared Diamond says that agricultural societies breathe way nastier germs because animals mutate from the cowpox, smallpox.
00:13:18.000And the minute that indigenous hunter-gatherer tribes, because they were small, always moving, so epidemics couldn't really build into those environments, usually you're kind of healthy being a hunter-gatherer.
00:13:29.000Yeah, and that's why here in this continent, when they pass through the Arctic, Siberia and stuff, they came down really clean.
00:13:35.000That's right, because they leave their feces where they are and they move, whereas farmers live within their shit and Wild and in your own filth, man.
00:13:45.000So when they would come in, these big agricultural societies, not only did they have systems of governments because they could grow more because they could grow their own food and stay in one place, but they breathed nasty germs, man.
00:13:58.000In fact, by some accounts, the Native Americans, by the time after Cortez came back, or Columbus, one of them, Columbus came, and they were talking about huge populations in the Mississippi Delta and stuff.
00:14:08.000You know more about this than I do, Steve.
00:14:29.000Like, any little thing that I could, any paranoid thing I could say about having a flu shot, like, if you came home and gave, do you know what I mean?
00:14:36.000Like, I'd rather have an increased chance of something weird happening to me than, I don't think you can give the flu to a little baby.
00:14:42.000Well, they have their mother's immune system and the breast milk is a real, the breast milk is pretty amazing.
00:14:47.000So she probably got the flu shot through her mom anyway.
00:15:30.000It's like, once you think of them as where the food comes back, I mean, where the food comes out for the baby, and then all of a sudden you're like, yeah, baby.
00:15:42.000It's like, wait a minute, what is that place exactly?
00:15:45.000Maybe that's when a man becomes a man, when the first time he's...
00:15:50.000It just takes, you know, there's like a state of grace where it's like for like six months at least after she stops breastfeeding, you leave them alone.
00:18:16.000I remember I came to your house one time.
00:18:17.000This was like literally you were 28. Your house was, he lived, he was doing news radio and he lived way out in the middle of nowhere and his house was so messier than mine and mine is messy but there was just, nothing was put away.
00:27:21.000But the thing I always feel about TV when I'm watching dramas, I always feel like I'm watching people Like, often times I feel like it's being written from an angle where they don't really understand the world they're writing about.
00:27:45.000It'll be the hell heck, you know what I mean?
00:27:47.000And it just kind of winds up being like, has any of you ever...
00:27:49.000And I don't know, I'm not like, don't know much about this, but I know enough to know that it just feels like someone picturing what it would be like in their world.
00:28:01.000Alan Ball was from the South, but he was a gay man in the South.
00:28:04.000And I think if you watch True Blood, vampires, you know, that's his experience.
00:28:08.000It's, I think, I don't mean to put, I know Alan, so I don't want to put words in his mouth, but I think it's what, being a vampire in the South, like, that takes place is what it felt like to be gay when you were younger and it was a violent place.
00:28:23.000True Blood, I think, was a book or something like that, but I think that at the end of the day, you can see so much of what it was like to be gay as a young boy growing up in the South.
00:28:53.000I find it fascinating, and I've been really fixated on this lately, how pussified movies and television are getting to the point where the vampires that we have, they're not like vampires.
00:29:07.000They're like, they could be kind of your buddy.
00:29:43.000But there's never a kiss, never any desire on his part ever exhibited that he's even remotely attracted to these unbelievably hot women that he just keeps saving and they're falling in love with him.
00:29:53.000And he's just kind of like blank and nonchalant.
00:29:56.000Like, what the fuck is the message there?
00:30:25.000I think that's a really interesting observation, though, because if you actually think about it, like the TV shows I've seen, Even Homeland and certainly Breaking Bad, the sex is non-existent.
00:33:21.000All the depictions and images of him are him dining with like all these men on stakes.
00:33:27.000You hear about these, I think it was Ivan the Terrible in Russia when whoever the artist was that did the Winter Palace, I think it was the Winter Palace, this beautiful, this guy, it was a lifetime of 20 years of his, it's like his opus, this great artist.
00:33:43.000I mean, if you look at it, I think it's either the Winter Palace or this church, this incredible church in Russia.
00:33:48.000And when he was done with it, And he presented it to Ivan the Terrible.
00:33:53.000Ivan the Terrible was like, this is the most incredible thing in the world.
00:34:29.000There's a book called The Murder Room and the guy who specializes in sadism and serial killers, he wrote what's called kind of like the double helix of the serial killer's profile.
00:34:38.000And he said that a lot of serial killers will definitely be, I can't remember what the word was, but they become like, they drink your blood.
00:34:46.000The lowest rung, where you're the full-fledged boogeyman, they eat flesh and drink blood.
00:35:42.000But, yeah, Elizabeth Bathory, that's the chick's name.
00:35:47.000A lot of times serial killers like that have a particular taste, like it's got to be a specific kind of person.
00:35:52.000Yeah, there's something that snaps, allows you to get a thrill off of killing a bunch of people and there's a weird thing that happens to people with this whole royalty thing.
00:38:43.000Where does Game of Thrones fit in there?
00:38:45.000Well, you never stepped out of for many years.
00:38:48.000That's why Britain was – it benefited from the notion that they had very strong institutions.
00:38:53.000And so when you had a royal person that you came in contact with, it was very important to observe ritual protocol and ritual sort of greeting and interaction because it kept the wall between you and the royalty because the entire society… To the benefit of the royalties.
00:39:12.000Well, no, but also the whole society was built on not only the idea of this caste system, but also very central to the British character was that to esteem out of your class was actually considered heretical.
00:39:28.000It was considered to the detriment of the entire community and society, right?
00:39:35.000All I'm thinking about is climbing the fuck out of this hole and getting to the top.
00:39:39.000What's interesting, a lot of people believe that a society like ours, or at least how ours initially was born, is only built in response to suppression.
00:39:51.000A situation like England where they're completely suppressing you to the point where you're willing to take such a great chance but you already have a semblance of idea of order in society which is based on their system of kings.
00:40:03.000And that's the weirdest thing is it's almost like the only way for us to have ever gotten to a position of power or a position of creating a culture, creating civilization is that somebody had to take control.
00:40:16.000And ultimately we are these weird fucking alpha apes.
00:40:21.000And we really want to be like led by like one person or like one group or one leader or at least have someone at the very top that we can all agree to clap for.
00:40:46.000What's interesting though is the Founding Fathers had a rebuttal to that and George Washington most famously when they wanted to make him king said, I am not only going to not be the king because we don't have kings in this country.
00:41:07.000And King George, when he found out that Washington had refused the kingship and instead went and fucking retired, was like, that guy's the greatest guy of all.
00:42:18.000Watching the Arab Spring stuff, I mean, I was always skeptical of it.
00:42:21.000In one way, it was almost kind of embarrassing just understanding the history of some of those areas, the way Americans would so quickly forget our allegiances.
00:42:31.000And so, you know, we're going against Gaddafi, and everybody's like...
00:42:34.000Yeah, you know, the number one U.S. enemy, Qaddafi.
00:42:37.000Like, forgetting that we were doing all kinds of things through there, you know, and in some ways supporting Mubarak, in some ways, you know, later...
00:42:56.000But so quickly people wanted to make the jump that he was this logical enemy.
00:43:02.000And that was frustrating a little bit, but the main thing is, when I was watching all that, I wanted to be optimistic, but I just feel like there's no way that this is just going to be smooth transitions.
00:43:10.000And there's this competing idea, like, when you're an American, there's this...
00:43:14.000Like, this competing idea we have between being pragmatic, you know, like we want these countries to be such and such way in order to secure our interests, but also we have this thing where it's like the only legitimate form of government is a democracy.
00:43:25.000And as we're going to find again and again, I'm definitely not like a, you know, definitely not an expert on world politics, but I think we're going to find again and again that other countries being democracies isn't always going to serve our own national security interests, you know?
00:43:39.000I think that we want to think that it's like, that it's dovetailed and it's not going to be that way, man.
00:43:43.000Like maybe they're better off having kings.
00:43:49.000If you're thinking about the actual people on the ground in those countries, it's like, yeah, I want to support democracy.
00:43:53.000But then someone like, you know, like Morse gets elected and you're like, that's not what democracy is.
00:43:58.000Democracy is voting for the guys I like.
00:44:00.000It just depends on how you define it because one of the things, Rory Parker, I believe his name is a British MP, part of the parliament, and he's walked every remote village in Afghanistan, every remote village in Africa, and he said he'd never been anywhere, even the most remote village in Afghanistan,
00:44:16.000he'd never met anybody, anybody no matter how strong their tribal notions were, he never met anybody who didn't want some say and who governed them.
00:44:26.000So that seems to be a human need and a human right and a human compulsion to have some say in who fucking...
00:44:36.000Otherwise you get a guy like Ivan the Terrible who just amasses power.
00:44:39.000We all have a natural revulsion for that.
00:44:45.000I do think you're right that human beings need an alpha, a leader, and they always find a leader, but I also think at the same time they want some say in that process and in the ongoing process, that is, who governs them.
00:44:58.000It really feels like we talk about with kids, if you try to take a spoon out of their hand without explaining that you need the spoon, they'll hold on to that fucking spoon.
00:45:07.000Human beings seem to have a resistance, a natural resistance to those that would have power over them.
00:45:15.000No, I don't know exactly what you're saying.
00:45:16.000If you think you're going to be the president and everything's going to be smooth sailing, you know how many haters you must have at the moment?
00:45:22.000I think that's probably half the gray.
00:45:24.000Half the gray is realizing how many fucking people hate you.
00:46:18.000I always think about what George Bush said about Hurricane Katrina.
00:46:21.000They were like, you didn't go down to New Orleans for five days or whatever.
00:46:25.000And then he said, well, here's the problem with me going down to New Orleans during that crisis.
00:46:29.000If I go down to New Orleans, I've got to take 60 police cars and the resources of the city to protect me and to escort me to the damaged sites.
00:46:39.000It costs a million dollars an hour or whatever.
00:46:41.000And you tie up a helicopter to have you do sightseeing.
00:46:44.000You tie up all the stuff that should be given to the people on the ground at that time.
00:46:52.000I was going to get criticized if I land Air Force One the day before.
00:46:56.000And that's one of the examples of being a president.
00:47:01.000I think the idea that you have to physically be in an area in order to observe or to respect the fact that a tragic incident has took place is observed.
00:47:11.000It's like you're playing a psychological game.
00:47:13.000I would almost hand it to someone if you could make that point, but people are so addicted to the pageantry of it.
00:47:20.000They'd be like, oh yeah, in order for us to recover from this, I need to fly around in a helicopter and And have a governor show me that it's flooded.
00:47:27.000Because other than that, I'm not going to believe it.
00:49:26.000Yeah, there was areas that just got so wiped over.
00:49:29.000To build something out there, like the odds that that would stay there and the odds of the water is not going to hit that spot again.
00:49:35.000I was watching some of that footage of the tidal waves in Japan and how they roll through, and it looks like just water, and you think, well, it's just water.
00:49:44.000They take everything, like cars and boats.
00:50:20.000Because you're talking about like essentially a mountain falling into the ocean.
00:50:26.000And causing this incredible blast of energy which carries this water, this huge tidal wave that starts in the middle of fucking, you know, wherever that is, the Canary Islands, and goes 500 miles an hour across the ocean and then slams into America.
00:50:56.000But whatever it is, it's going to, yeah.
00:50:58.000I mean, look, they found many, many, especially near Spain, many, many sunken civilizations.
00:51:02.000They found the one that they're calling Atlantis, you know, whether or not Atlantis is actually a physical place, but it's got concentric circles, just like they believe Atlantis did.
00:52:12.000Some of the integral characters, like not Odysseus, but some of the Agamemnon or some of the higher-up kings, there's some historical allusion to who these characters might have been that got involved in that war.
00:52:24.000But it wasn't like the face that launched a thousand ships.
00:52:26.000I think it might have been a trade dispute.
00:52:28.000But I'm telling you some dated stuff, man, because I was in college in the mid-90s, mid to late 90s, so that was what I knew then.
00:52:53.000When I learned about this, he had come to a somewhat accepted...
00:52:58.000Conclusion about what Troy was, maybe some of the principal characters were involved, where in fact, like some of the people that are discussed in the Odyssey or in the Iliad were in fact living people at that time, and they were engaged in a large, and there was a large battle and a siege of a city,
00:53:16.000and out of that was born that legend of the siege of Troy and the story of the Iliad.
00:53:22.000You know what's really fascinating about like ancient Rome and ancient Greece and these incredible structures that they built?
00:53:41.000And Rome, I mean Italy is – they're just kind of hanging out in Europe.
00:53:45.000But if you stop and think about what the insane society they had at one point in time where no one anywhere else in the world had anything comparable.
00:53:55.000People have written books and certainly articles about how Greece has never – hasn't produced a whole lot of artistic expression that's world-class artistic expression for 3,500 years or whatever,
00:55:58.000Yeah, and it's how much energy do you have?
00:56:01.000Do you have enough energy to really pursue things the correct way?
00:56:03.000Yeah, but energy – I transfer energy to being something called inspiration.
00:56:07.000You have no energy unless somebody provides you with a blueprint or the inspiration to do so, right?
00:56:15.000One of the things they say is that if you can – a lot of times you can motivate yourself by defining what you're going to lose as opposed to what you're going to gain.
00:56:26.000We're really good at dealing with things like, oh, I didn't get that, and then we just...
00:56:29.000But they say that psychologists sometimes will tell you, if you don't do this thing that you want to do, what do you actually lose?
00:57:52.000When I roll in my garage for an hour like I did the other day, I think I'm trying not to lose something as opposed to gaining something maybe.
01:02:20.000I mean, have you ever run across one that you found that had just died of natural causes?
01:02:25.000I'd like to lie to you and say that I have found lions that died of natural causes, but I have not found lions that died of natural causes.
01:02:36.000Yeah, I mean, I don't have any chips in the Sasquatch camp, but Jane Goodall says that she believes that it exists, and that's fascinating to me.
01:02:45.000She thinks there's an ape species we haven't found.
01:02:48.000Well, she thinks it's a Gigantopithecus.
01:02:49.000What more do we know about those ones in the Congo that are like...
01:03:12.000It wasn't discovered I think until the 1920s.
01:03:14.000I think it was discovered somewhere early in the 1900s.
01:03:18.000There was a guy who came into an apothecary shop where they would sell like fucking home remedies and shit, ground goat dick and stuff like that.
01:03:26.000Chinese places are really into that and they had this giant primate tooth.
01:03:30.000And this guy examined it and he said, what the fuck is this?
01:03:33.000Well, it turned out it was a totally different species that nobody ever heard of.
01:03:36.000It's an eight-foot bipedal primate that buried its young.
01:04:01.000A lot of people get off on looking at mistakes.
01:04:05.000You know, that scientists have made, like, oh, they thought this, and now they're telling us this.
01:04:08.000It's like, they're trying to put together a cohesive narrative.
01:04:11.000And the scientific process is always inviting people to add on and make corrections.
01:04:17.000But some people are fixed on this idea that if you can't get everything exactly right the first time, you have no business even dabbling in it.
01:04:40.000But the Bigfoot thing, of all of our, you know, the species that we have, the endangered species that we have, and I'm talking about in North America, the ones that we knew we had and they went away, went away.
01:04:53.000And some of the ones that we knew were hanging on, we still have a big problem with mortality on those things, and we find them.
01:04:58.000You have, like, very few Florida panthers.
01:05:00.000Every year they're getting hit on the highway.
01:05:24.000The only reason I'm not saying is that no, you don't believe that.
01:05:27.000Anything that can kill me, you can go fuck yourself.
01:05:29.000If it might eat you one day, did you ever see that video of the woman in Russia where she's in a town in Russia and a polar bear has made its way into the town and is attacking her?
01:05:38.000Everyone's screaming and throwing shit at the bear.
01:07:43.000I know that the theory I'm familiar with is people suggest that it might begin to happen more as the polar ice cap recedes and polar bears aren't able to spend as much time out on the sea ice that they'll be coming inland more.
01:08:01.000So I think there's been, my understanding again, there's been an increase in the distance inland that people have been encountering some bears and it's greater likelihood of bringing polar bears into what would be traditionally like Interior grizzly habitat.
01:08:21.000And I don't know if anyone knows in a bulletproof way that this wasn't happening before and it's happening now.
01:08:26.000But I think just in a logical sense, if there's not going to be the availability of sea ice, bears are going to spend, obviously, more time on ground, which is going to bring them into when grizzly bears are out of hibernation.
01:08:40.000In the spring is going to bring them into more contact.
01:10:56.000And do all this kind of crazy stuff and like, you know, they got their, they brush their teeth off in a different area and hang their toothbrush up in a tree because it might smell the thing or they don't go out in the woods if they're, you know, if their wife's menstruating, you know, they don't want to go out in the woods with her.
01:11:09.000And you can go crazy or you can be like crazy in the other extreme and just like, you know, drag a, kill an animal and drag it back to camp and gut it and then leave the guts laying there for five days to ripen in the sun next to your tent, which would be like the other kind of Ridiculous.
01:11:26.000Or you can kind of walk a moderate line.
01:11:28.000And if you can do things without tainting your experience, but just little common sense issues, Not camping right on top of carcasses.
01:11:38.000If you're cooking smelly food, like fish and fish guts and stuff, be careful about getting rid of that stuff.
01:11:44.000Putting your food up in a tree, if there's trees available.
01:11:47.000If there aren't things, then you put your food somewhere where you can see it and monitor it.
01:11:51.000Lay sweaty clothes on top of it to enhance the human odor in the area.
01:11:55.000I mean, just little things you can do that don't...
01:11:57.000Ruin your time, but that you're generally trying to decrease the chance that you're going to have a conflict that's going to have to get the government involved, and they're going to come out and have to kill some bear because you've got trouble with you.
01:12:08.000So grizzlies, when they smell, humans tend to avoid humans.
01:12:11.000I think, yeah, and even the ones that don't have experience with humans, like if you go in a really remote area where you run into a bear, you run into a two-year-old bear, three-year-old bear, And it's reasonable to assume he has not had a direct interaction with a human.
01:12:30.000You know, it's possible he just hasn't.
01:12:32.000His parent, his mother could be 12 years old, and she's had a handful throughout 12-year-old life.
01:13:47.000If you're going to get into a road rage incident, in some ways, a road rage incident with a guy that's 50 isn't quite as dangerous as it might be with a guy that's 18. The guy that's 18, you don't know.
01:14:01.000He still might be sorting through some stuff, or he might be willing to...
01:14:04.000He's not aware of how long life really is.
01:14:10.000Some of you guys know so much more about bears than I do, but people that look particularly dangerous bears, the bears to watch out for, are the ones that have been recently kicked out by their mother.
01:14:25.000And the males will get kicked out and tend to have to go farther afield to find a home range.
01:14:31.000Everywhere they're going, they're getting beaten up by a resident bear.
01:14:34.000They don't have a good lock on available food resources yet.
01:14:38.000It's very likely that they're hungry, they're inexperienced, they're pressured.
01:14:44.000And when you encounter those, those are the ones that people watch out for.
01:14:51.000I think that those black bears are more likely to end up in some tree in the middle of a town, the young displaced ones.
01:14:58.000But again, I just generally, and you can cite examples of things that happen, like generally black bears are just not, I don't think of them as a dangerous bear.
01:15:05.000I don't think a black bear is being any more dangerous than a deer being dangerous.
01:15:52.000So when they came past him on his tree, They started squealing, and then she came up and mauled his lower legs.
01:15:59.000I remember one night we were sitting in our house, my dad got a phone call.
01:16:01.000This guy he used to hunt with had gotten his lower legs mauled by this bear, and he eventually fended her off, was trying to fend her off with the arrow, and the two coves eventually came back down the tree, and then she let him be.
01:16:13.000So, yeah, there are instances, but you can also, I mean, if you're just like cruising YouTube, I mean, there's plenty of places where you go find a deer to knock the hell out of someone, too.
01:16:21.000Yeah, look at this bear climbing this ladder.
01:17:22.000Get cover, you know, because right here's where they're going to kill you.
01:17:26.000You cover this, and curl up, and don't move, and she's like, take that, bastard, and walks off.
01:17:32.000And again, a lion, if a lion was to hit you, you're supposed to just go ballistic on it because it's a predatory response that it's having.
01:17:40.000So when Black Bear is like, When you do hear of black bears, when they attack kids, and lions often attack small women joggers.
01:17:49.000Small women joggers seem to get attacked by lions, or young kids seem to get attacked by lions.
01:17:52.000Yeah, that thing's like, I'm going to eat that.
01:18:24.000I was reading this bear hunting book by this writer, Tony Ross.
01:18:31.000He was talking about on Kodiak Island, in the Alaska Peninsula, areas that just have really dense grizzly populations.
01:18:37.000Brown bear and grizzly is the same thing.
01:18:38.000People generally say brown bear for coastal grizzlies and grizzlies for interior.
01:18:43.000He was saying that the male grizzlies will come out, and when they come out in those areas, they might have a grizzly for every one or two or three square miles, so a lot more dense than most other areas.
01:18:56.000When they come out in the spring, they're hunting cubs.
01:19:03.000It's like there's so many of them, and they're so vicious that they come out, and a primary food source for some of these mature boars is grizzly cubs.
01:19:14.000But he said, a weird thing is, and they'll kill those cubs.
01:19:17.000He said, in all of his hunting, when they'll kill a grizzly or brown bear and skin it, you know, He said in all of his hunting, and he's talked to other guys too, he's never seen where a brown bear consumed the skinned out carcass of another brown bear.
01:19:35.000So they eat cubs, but they never eat the bear itself.
01:19:37.000And he mentions in this book, he talks to some other people he's talking about, some guy like in 20 years of hunting or whatever, yet they've never seen the carcass of an adult get cannibalized.
01:20:37.000There's some wicked stuff out there, but those big boars, he was talking about this dude, Tony Russell, talking about these big boars, they'll go out and dig dens.
01:20:44.000They come out early, and the females will come out later, so the females will be in the dens of the cubs, and those boars will go around doing site visits, and they'll dig cubs right out of the den and eat them.
01:20:53.000And I imagine they're probably a little bit indiscriminate.
01:20:57.000Like, there's a chance he's going to consume his own offspring.
01:21:00.000But he's also thinking that all these sows that wouldn't be available to me for two years, three years, are going to be available to me this June.
01:23:17.000You can hang out in the woods so much, and then when you look at all the things you've seen out in the woods, it's startling how few really weird things you see, but it's proportionate.
01:23:29.000No one just spends a little dinky bit of time out in the woods and then sees tons of weird stuff.
01:23:33.000You've got to put in the hours to catalog stuff.
01:23:38.000There's a guy I know, he's a guy, Jay Scott, and I was talking one day, I was feeling cocky because I've seen three mountain lions while I was hunting.
01:23:48.000And there's this guy, Jay Scott, just hunts.
01:23:50.000He's one of the best big game hunters I know.
01:23:52.000And I was saying, like, you ever seen a lion?
01:23:55.000He said, I'm looking for number 33 right now.
01:24:21.000That means, oh, that dude spent tons of time out there.
01:24:24.000And some of the things that that guy that was in the footage, and I'm only going by, and on Grizzly, man, I'm only going by whatever I saw on that two-hour Herzog movie.
01:24:33.000Like, Lord knows how many things didn't make it.
01:24:36.000But he was out there and witnessed some amazing sights, man.
01:24:40.000Yeah, that's what people have to understand.
01:24:42.000Timothy Treadwell's footage was all turned into this Werner Herzog documentary, but this is just a piece of what this guy got when he was living up there.
01:24:51.000And I think a lot of people believe...
01:24:54.000Look at that, they're going to war with each other.
01:25:59.000The bear on the bottom is doing a real good job defending himself.
01:26:02.000This for real, even though the other bear is bigger, what's going on there, the way the bear fights, is how they teach you to fight in jiu-jitsu, for real.
01:26:09.000Foot on the hips, controlling his body, not letting him get all of his weight on top of you, shifting your hips so your feet touch onto his hips.
01:26:57.000These are black bears, but on Prince Wells Island where my brothers and I got a little shack, the biggest bear I've seen out there And that's famous for big bears.
01:27:04.000The biggest bear I've seen out there was a big, injured, old bear.
01:27:07.000I don't know what happened, but he was just packing a leg.
01:27:09.000And he was kind of in the autumn of his career, you know?
01:27:13.000So he had been, like, probably the man, and now he probably just gets his ass kicked.
01:28:36.000Do his best but try not to get sicker.
01:28:38.000It's interesting to see where MMA is coming because if you're not prepared for someone's weapons and if someone hits you with something you haven't seen before, like I was thinking about Nate getting caught with those leg kicks over and over again.
01:28:50.000Nate's seen leg kicks a million times.
01:28:52.000I think Tarek Safedine is a really classical technical striker and Nate Markhart Although he's an amazing striker, the knockout of Tyron Woodley, that insane KO towards the end.
01:29:08.000But I think that technically, if you look at all the best technical fighters, unless they're freaks of athleticism, unless they're just much faster than anyone else, they follow a certain number of rules when it comes to defending yourself, Yeah.
01:31:11.000And that was probably the most sensational he looked.
01:31:13.000So to go from that fight where he looks unbelievably good to this fight, just a little wake-up call.
01:31:18.000Maybe just be a little bit more technical or conservative when you're fighting a guy like that and to realize that that kind of accumulation of eating those kind of shots really can pay off.
01:31:29.000It's interesting because maybe Nate, I don't know, but maybe, I wonder if Nate felt he was bigger and stronger so he could out Greco him.
01:35:23.000Started making cracks, like just assuming that we're in the club, like we're in the left-wing club.
01:35:29.000He just knew that we were in the left-wing club and started making cracks about right-wing people.
01:35:34.000I remember walking out, I'm like, there's no way I'm going to take my kid to a pediatrician who, when I walk in, I want to talk about my child's health, wants to get in there with me and make assumptions about my politics.
01:35:42.000It has nothing to do with the services I'm seeking.
01:35:45.000And when I wanted to eat that guy's hamburger, the last thing I wanted to hear was, Was his, like, analysis of, I think it was like the Benghazi thing.
01:37:14.000I think that when you take someone out for the first time, and my brothers have found the same thing with their wives or taking their girlfriends out or friends out.
01:37:25.000There is a real reckoning that people have.
01:37:29.000The funny thing is, despite someone's response, usually people, if you kill an animal for the first time and you're going to eat it, regardless of what you're going to do with it, you kill an animal for the first time, I don't want to say it's humbling, but it stops other thoughts.
01:37:44.000You're alone with that thought for a minute.
01:37:47.000But the interesting thing is, as much as I've seen that happen, I've never had anyone later Come to regret, I haven't done it.
01:37:57.000It's always in some way strengthening for people to go see that life and death thing.
01:38:03.000No one's ever called me back and said, that was just a terrible mistake.
01:38:05.000For you, intellectually, knowing that this is a unique experience for most people, how does that make you feel when you see it through their eyes and the idea to you being so alien?
01:38:24.000I think that I already kind of, in a way, I know what the experience is going to be for the person because I think in some ways we're talking about really base...
01:38:40.000And so I kind of can anticipate, like, if I take someone out on their first hunt and just kind of want to show them hunting first, what I usually do, you know, because, like, I respect you guys and want you to have a good time and respect your opinions on things, so I want to, like, take you on an experience that's going to be a good one,
01:38:56.000you know, that's going to be, like, an immersive kind of experience.
01:38:58.000So I know that there's a certain thing that goes with that, like, just to kind of get away from stuff and be out in an area where you've diminished some of the noise and you're allowed to be in the moment.
01:39:07.000It's just gonna put you in a certain spot.
01:39:09.000And I think that it's like to take someone out on a first hunt, I'm not worried about a wild card scenario because I've done it enough to where I've seen that it just doesn't happen.
01:39:21.000It's like people go on a kind of predictable journey on a hunt.
01:39:26.000You're talking about wild card as in...
01:39:27.000They would have some crazy response to it.
01:39:39.000It's not like when I go into it, I don't think like, wow, who knows what's going to happen when this happens.
01:39:43.000I'm generally like, you know what's going to happen?
01:39:44.000Is the person's going to have a very fulfilling experience, you know?
01:39:49.000And they're going to appreciate the challenge.
01:39:51.000They might not ever go hunting again, but they'll always remember back on that and have come away and found out something about themselves.
01:39:58.000And it's like it's never been otherwise.
01:40:00.000I would probably stop if I found that there was a high degree.
01:40:04.000You know, there's a thing that happened to me, though, with my own wife, is she didn't grow up around hunting, you know?
01:40:14.000And she eats a lot of wild game and has eaten a lot of wild game ever since...
01:40:17.000She eats more wild game than 90% of the hunters I know.
01:40:21.000But she just had it in her head, she's like, I don't want to see an animal...
01:40:24.000I don't need to see an animal get killed.
01:40:26.000She's like, I'm fine with the hypocrisy, if you want to call it hypocrisy.
01:40:42.000And we took our boat out and landed our skiff at this river mouth, and she was reluctant to go along because she was afraid of what she might see.
01:40:50.000And I had encouraged her to come because I'm like, what's going to happen is you won't even know the deer is there.
01:40:53.000We're going to spot a deer that's far away, probably obscured by brush.
01:40:59.000You'd have to look for it really hard to see it anyways.
01:43:09.000But then, within 45 minutes, within 45 minutes, it was enough time for her to process what she saw, and her take home was, you know what, I guess I'd still rather eat that thing Than, you know, an animal from a feedlot.
01:43:25.000It was just like, it just took her a minute because she was like, and later I felt like, she's like, I feel like I should feel something different than I do.
01:43:43.000It's so fascinating that you have this different point of view on death than so many people and for your wife to experience it in its most shocking form on the first pass.
01:43:58.000I'm sure it would take a little while to intellectualize.
01:44:01.000I took away something interesting by butchering the deer and getting my hands in that deer.
01:44:05.000And I kind of thought to myself, I can see how, I can certainly see how a hunter would have an easier time taking a human's life with a knife.
01:45:05.000I just think that violence transforms you fundamentally.
01:45:08.000For example, when you've done combat sports and you've gotten punched and knocked out or kicked in the head and knocked out or just put into a choke, you are different about your own mortality, your own relationships to other men.
01:45:25.000When you've been taken to a man or you've had somebody do whatever they want to you and you realize, oh, I'm very vulnerable.
01:45:35.000Or you get knocked out and it really hurts or hit in the body.
01:45:39.000That, I think, fundamentally changes you in your relationship, not just to other men.
01:45:46.000How do you think this relates to hunting though?
01:45:48.000In the same way like when you have an intimate experience of harvesting your own meat, which actually requires a really loud noise, the killing of an animal and you see that blood and you feel that what just was alive and you're touching it.
01:46:04.000I feel like I approach – I don't know, man.
01:46:09.000I don't even know how to articulate how it changed me, but I do think that something that is that intimately violent is going to… Why do you keep saying violence?
01:46:18.000Because I don't see it as violence at all.
01:46:21.000I think it's pretty abrupt in its ending.
01:48:19.000Are so unable to control adrenaline and fear, they become they can't shoot.
01:48:28.000I got a buddy who guides and he was saying that one time he took this guy up and they were hunting tar in New Zealand and the guy shot and my buddy's watching through his binoculars where the bullet hit and he showed me that someone was rolling a video when he did it and you hear my buddy say,
01:49:24.000What is cause of beginner hunters not getting shots at things is the weird eye relief issues.
01:49:33.000It becomes very second nature, but it's pretty precise where you put it.
01:49:36.000And when you're in a weird position and things are happening fast, it's tough, man.
01:49:40.000Yeah, for folks who don't know what we're saying, there's a scope on the top of the rifle, and if you're too close to that scope, it distorts your view, it fucks up.
01:49:46.000You have to be just in the right spot.
01:49:49.000And the first time we saw the deer, I couldn't get it in the right spot.
01:49:52.000And then he went behind this little area and then came back out again, and when he came back out again, I was able to figure it out.
01:50:23.000It's like the motivation that comes out, man.
01:50:25.000There's a lot of things that come out in hunting that I think are applicable to life and work and stuff.
01:50:32.000But when you've been out there a couple days and you start getting accustomed to that, I think it's easy to go for a day and walk away and be like, oh, that didn't happen.
01:50:40.000You get a couple days into something, most people, what I would almost call a work ethic, or something comes up where you're like, you know, we've committed ourselves to this.
01:50:55.000And it feels so good to fulfill the goal, man.
01:50:57.000That moment becomes such a gigantic, sweeping moment.
01:51:01.000And that's why it's hard to stay calm, but it actually happens.
01:51:04.000When you're building up with two days of fucking shitty camping, and one where it's raining and pouring outside, and it's cold every morning, and we're going to bed at like 8 because there's nothing to do.
01:52:18.000It's one of those cool areas that really, and again, we're talking about the Missouri Breaks region.
01:52:23.000It's one of those cool areas that really just kind of on its own resisted development.
01:52:29.000There's some spots that were so stunning that early on people were like, this is Yosemite, Yellowstone.
01:52:37.000The momentum was always going toward hanging on to it.
01:52:41.000People went there like, this is special.
01:52:43.000We got hot guys shooting up out of the ground.
01:52:46.000We should early on make sure to not screw this place up.
01:52:49.000And there's some great areas in the US, like I would argue Hell's Canyon, the Missouri Breaks region, that just remained pure just through toughness and tenacity.
01:53:03.000Everybody went in there and tried to do something.
01:53:06.000And it's like one of those places where you go and it's like, they tried to do that, didn't work out.
01:53:10.000Like, one of the things that that place is known for is that horse thieves used to just go there because they knew they could go hide out.
01:53:19.000It was useful to them just as a place to hide out.
01:53:21.000And there were some campaigns where it was like, we're going to go into the breaks, we're going to find them all, we're going to hang them from Cottonwoods, and they'd go down there and root out the guys.
01:53:29.000And it was a spot that held wildlife for a long time.
01:53:33.000It was a spot where some of the Plains tribes could go down and hide out in there.
01:53:38.000And on the muscle shell that goes into that area, it was one of the last places they had free-roaming herds in Buffalo and Montana.
01:53:44.000It was just like a spot where people would try to get a grip, and it just didn't hold.
01:53:49.000And now, there's some protections there, but it's not categorically protected like a place like Yellowstone is.
01:53:56.000But after a while, people almost kind of threw their hands up in the air.
01:54:00.000And the interesting thing we were talking about is because it's...
01:54:01.000But folks who don't know what you're saying, it's like...
01:54:03.000The people trying to settle in that area couldn't live.
01:54:22.000So there was all these homestead sites where we were walking around and we'd find these really old logs that, you know, used to be a side of a house.
01:54:30.000Yeah, they'd be sheep shacks or side houses, root cellars.
01:54:37.000Oh, it'd be like a climate-controlled area where you dig down into the ground, and you'd have a cool place to store things, or it'd also be freeze-proof, because you go down the dirt ways.
01:54:50.000And then there's still a lot of old structures there to have side.
01:57:12.000So even when you put fruit in it, if you're making fruit jerky, you put bananas in it to dehydrate or something, fruit loses vitamin C through dehydration.
01:57:21.000There's this amazing story about the French.
01:57:23.000When the French started coming over here to engage in the fur trade and do all their exploring, and they were centered around a focal point of the St. Lawrence Seaway, Champlain, the guy that's now the father of New France, he had this idea where he was going to take orphans from Paris.
01:57:40.000And bring them over and give them to the Indians, thinking that the kids already knew French.
01:57:45.000He'd give them to the Indians, the Indians go take them off for a couple years, come back, and they'd be bilingual, and he'd be able to use these as emissaries, like ambassadors in trade.
01:57:54.000And one of the first ones that we know about that he tried this with was this kid who's later, we now, people call him Etienne Brulee, gave them to the Indians.
01:58:04.000And the first winter when Champlain and his people came over, they died like mad at scurvy all winter.
01:58:10.000But this kid was supposed to go hang out at the Indians.
01:58:12.000And so they would go out and fish through the ice and hunt.
01:59:53.000He'd come back for the trading season with the Indians and they complained that his morality had conformed to the tribes.
02:00:00.000Like you're going to turn a 13-year-old Over to an indigenous culture and go away for a couple years and he's going to come back still acting like a French Catholic.
02:00:34.000So what these guys would do in this area, like a lot of these tribes in the Great Lakes area, they would, sometimes they would just carry captives in the boat live and And then butcher them when you wanted to eat them.
02:00:48.000Or they would raid an area and butcher everyone and just stack the quarters in the bowls.
02:00:54.000So there's accounts of people talking about human legs stacked up in boats just as traveling food.
02:01:00.000And then all that stuff you're talking about, like, making people eat parts of themselves and, you know, like, cutting off their fingers and making them eat your finger or, you know, like...
02:01:31.000Yeah, we were in New Zealand filming in New Zealand.
02:01:33.000We went and looked at this island and this big lake and What they say is that the indigenous people in New Zealand and South Island, who hadn't even been there that long, but they had been there, some people had come from the North Island and conquered the people in the South Island and would keep stocks of them out on this island and staked out.
02:01:55.000And when they wanted one, they'd paddle out and get them and eat them.
02:02:34.000I know it's so hard to come to grips to what happened to the indigenous peoples here.
02:02:39.000It's so hard to come to grips to it that people wind up going In wild directions.
02:02:45.000It's like that it was just brutal savagery, you know, and it was this awful existence, or that it was just this like peaceful, harmonious existence.
02:03:20.000Yeah, there's a similar thing with Eskimo as a derogatory term.
02:03:23.000The Athabascan people would refer to the coastal people as, you know, eaters of raw fish or whatever, and it became like a derogatory term.
02:03:31.000It's really crazy when you stop and think about the idea that up until, whatever it was, 14,000 years ago, the first people...
02:03:48.000Just think about these people that lived like no one else in a big continent anywhere in the world.
02:03:55.000They traveled the entire thing, and they had all these little tribes, and they were hunting, and they were all living this crazy sort of hunting-gathering lifestyle, like an entire continent filled with people doing it.
02:04:09.000By the way, according to a lot of scholars, they believe that there were 20-plus million Native Americans.
02:04:14.000Well, the thing that gets me is the buffalo.
02:04:18.000The episode that you shot Wild Buffalo in Mexico, that was a fascinating episode and it made me really stop and think about when you were describing the imagery of what it used to look like seeing buffaloes roam across the country.
02:04:35.000It would be like the shadows from giant clouds, just like the entire land would be covered in buffalo.
02:04:43.000And this is how it was for these fucking people that lived here for, what, 10,000 years or something?
02:04:49.000For whenever the water, the ice thawed and became the Great Lakes.
02:04:52.000They experienced an apocalypse of sorts, right?
02:04:55.000Yeah, I mean, it's like fucking Avatar.
02:05:00.000If you really stop and think about the fact that the entire continent has all these people, Living this, what we think of as a very romantic life.
02:05:09.000Camping with leather teepees and shit and out there making fire and dancing and hunting.
02:05:20.000They're fucking developing eyeglasses and navigating the seas and giant hemp sails and medicine.
02:05:30.000And these fucking people are riding around We weren't even riding on horses, right?
02:05:34.000They weren't even until the Spaniards came.
02:05:36.000It's funny that so many guys that hunt become interested in early cultures.
02:05:45.000It's obvious that if you like to hunt animals, you become interested in hunter-gatherer societies.
02:05:51.000But Just to look at it, not from that, just from how great the hunting must have been, but to look at it from other aspects.
02:05:58.000To live with the Plains Indians, the proximity to death, unless you live in the most war-torn region of the world today, you probably can't fathom the proximity to death that you lived around.
02:07:13.000Jamie, pull up some images of the Tibetan sky burial.
02:07:16.000What they do is they take a body and they quarter it, they chop it up, they smash the bones down, and then they leave it out there for the vultures.
02:07:26.000And the vultures come in there and essentially pick everything clean.
02:07:51.000Even though I'd be dead and wouldn't even know what actually happened, it would just be nice to have it be that as I was dying, to be like, that that will happen to me.
02:08:02.000I don't want people to stumble across my remains and call 911. Oh, yeah.
02:08:06.000If they just leave you out there, it's like someone's going to then find you, then they're going to go out there and just be a big investigation and The question about finding animals, about finding dead mountain lions and finding bears, is that because when they know they're going to die, they go somewhere and squirrely and tuck away where no one's going to find them?
02:08:42.000You'll find stuff tucked up under junipers.
02:08:46.000This year, after we went out about hunting deer in Montana and found where a really beautiful big buck, I just happened to stumble into it.
02:08:58.000Obviously, I feel like he'd been hit because he had a perforated antler.
02:09:04.000Someone had shot at him, my take home, someone had shot at him and hit that antler with a bullet because he had a big bullet type wound on his antler, like a bullet hitting wood, but it cracked his skull plate.
02:09:21.000But he was so tucked up under this juniper bush that he just laid up under there to hide like he knew he was vulnerable and just died up there.
02:09:47.000I've never found a fresh, dead enough bear to really tell what its positioning was when it was dead.
02:09:52.000But I've found a number of remains of bears, but never where I knew that this is its spot it had gone to.
02:09:59.000But like I said, if you get a hit on something with a bow and you don't kill the meat, like you may be hitting the liver or hit it somewhere where it's going to live a little while, when you find it, you'll generally find it where it didn't die on the run.
02:10:57.000The part you find most often when you see a kill that's been consumed is you find where the spinal cord enters the skull.
02:11:05.000That thick-boned area right there extending up and to around the base of the antlers, around a non-antlered game, around a horned game, extending up to what would be kind of the space up between the ears.
02:11:16.000It's just thick and doesn't get consumed.
02:11:18.000But one time I remember we killed, my brother and I killed a cow elk.
02:11:24.000This is in Montana, southwest Montana, an area with a lot of grizzlies.
02:11:27.000We killed a cow elk and went back a week later to see what had happened, and grizzlies had been on it.
02:11:40.000The only part we could find was just a disc of bone with the center of the remaining piece of bone was where the spinal cord passes into the skull, that heavy-boned area, the frame and magnum, I think it was the word.
02:11:52.000And a donut-sized chunk of bone like that.
02:11:55.000And you could tell that it didn't just go away.
02:11:58.000That it wasn't like it drugged it somewhere we couldn't find it.
02:12:00.000Because you could account for all that hide and all that bone in the shit that was left there.
02:12:33.000Black bear or a grizzly make a kill, they'll eat that soft tissue first.
02:12:37.000So they rip its belly open, lungs, heart, liver.
02:12:41.000And generally, what they'll do is when they cover it with grass, some people even say that somehow when they cover it with a little bit of dirt or cover it in grass, aids decomposition.
02:13:41.000And they're eating salmon that are so rotten that they're in a pudding-like consistency, a pudding-like state.
02:13:47.000And just putrid, like, I can't even imagine.
02:13:51.000Like, putrid, like, it would take, if you walk through one of these areas, one of these stream miles where all these sand were laying dead, I have a strong stomach.
02:14:00.000I would need an hour or two before I could eat.
02:14:38.000You know, they say like hyenas, you know, there's a relationship in Africa between cheetahs and hyenas.
02:14:46.000Where cheetahs will make a kill, they can't crush the bone.
02:14:50.000And hyenas can go in and they can just hang out and wait because they know that when that's done, they'll be the first in there and they can crush bone.
02:14:57.000And I don't know if this theory is in fashion anymore, but it used to be in fashion, that Early hominids, like early humans, seemed to appear in the fossil record outside of Africa at a time that was contemporaneous with the appearance of saber-toothed cats.
02:15:18.000The thinking being that these saber-toothed cats weren't able to crush bone because of the makeup of their dental structure, their teeth.
02:15:26.000They couldn't crush bone, and they were really effective predators, and people had become accustomed to following saber-toothed cats.
02:15:33.000To scavenge bone marrow and things that they left behind.
02:18:06.000They call it the Breaks because it was that you're on the bench of the Great Plains and the Missouri Breaks is where the landscape seems to break and crumble away down into the canyon of the Missouri River.
02:18:25.000Yeah, it was a fascinating place, man.
02:18:27.000If you don't see this, there's these gray hills, and it's basically these gigantic mountains of silt.
02:18:35.000And what's really weird is there's patches of timber and stuff inside of them, but as you're climbing it, especially After it's rained, it's all mud.
02:18:51.000And it does seem, you'd look at it, like you'd look at the breaks from the water, and it feels like, you use the term loosely, but it feels like you're in the mountains.
02:19:51.000That's just a basic survival element that...
02:19:57.000It's like when you're out and conditions are poor, you know, and you have, you know, especially cold with some humidity, like it was overcast, it was a little bit wet feeling, even though it's a very arid, dry area, it was a little bit, there was a lot of humidity on our trip.
02:20:10.000It's just like the only time you're comfortable is when you're out and moving.
02:20:13.000But it's a little bit paradoxical because when you get cold and uncomfortable, your inclination is to huddle into yourself.
02:20:22.000It's harder to get out of your bag in the morning.
02:20:24.000You're paralyzed by the cold and paralyzed by how uncomfortable you are.
02:20:29.000But you notice that the minute you start hiking up a hill, You feel great.
02:20:33.000And you could be out there all day and you're having a good time and you stop and you feel like hell.
02:20:37.000And when you feel like hell, it's hard to get motivated to do it again.
02:20:41.000And I think that something that comes from spending a lot of time uncomfortable is just that you get in your head that you just got to move.
02:20:47.000And I think that when I've hunted in really cold weather, you try not to do anything You get up in the morning and you go immediately from your sleeping bag to be moving.
02:20:56.000And when it's time to eat, you just stop for a minute and eat while moving.
02:21:08.000One of the things that we talked about when we did this trip was that I was never tired during the day.
02:21:13.000Or I wanted to take a nap or something.
02:21:15.000It's like the idea of getting up in the morning and just hiking around all day, but yet all the time completely alert, all the time completely like we were wide awake.
02:21:28.000Whereas like, you know, if you have a regular job or whatever you do, after five or six hours you're like, oh, get me the fuck out of here.
02:22:04.000I mean, just think about, just in a sense, like, how much we were just, like, our physical beings were shaped by that lifestyle, you know, of operating according to daylight hours, you know, being out in search of food.
02:22:18.000I don't mean to get, you know, I don't mean to get all like, you know, New agey.
02:22:24.000I don't mean to get all like, nostalgia, new agey, those are good words for it.
02:22:28.000But, when you're out doing that kind of thing, you're out like hunting, on the land, using your senses, looking for food, you start making sense to yourself.
02:22:40.000I think you could be like, it's safe to say that there's something about me that really thrives on this.
02:22:46.000It's like there's something about me that just likes this kind of routine.
02:22:51.000A primal thing that's just ingrained in our system that from the hunter-gatherer days of the war, it's like all a part of us.
02:22:57.000I mean, just think about what we know about selective pressures.
02:23:03.000There's an enormous amount of selective pressure on being able to do that kind of stuff.
02:23:07.000I think that now people would argue that the new life we have now in technology, we're under new kinds of selective pressures.
02:23:13.000You know, there's probably right now those of us who are going to thrive, you know, those of us who are going to thrive are adapted to a technological society.
02:23:21.000But now it's not tied in now to birth.
02:23:24.000You know, it used to be that we had such low life expectancies and high mortality rates that it was the people that could thrive, the really good hunters, were the ones that had access to females, they had young.
02:23:34.000Now, you know, it's kind of a given that You're going to have reproductive possibilities.
02:23:40.000You can be the biggest loser in the world and not do anything, and you can still get people pregnant and have kids.
02:23:46.000So I think that selective pressures don't work on us now like they used to.
02:23:49.000But for a long time, we were shaped by you had to be a productive member of your culture.
02:23:55.000You had to be a productive member of your clan.
02:23:57.000In order to have the kind of cash aid that was necessary to be able to breed women.
02:24:01.000When I lived in Massachusetts, it was my fishing phase.
02:24:04.000I went into a phase of my childhood where I go fishing every day.
02:24:07.000I was a member of the Bass Angler Sportsman Society, the whole deal.
02:24:10.000I spent all my free time fishing for a couple of years.
02:25:15.000You know, and then you get addicted to that.
02:25:17.000The other thing you get addicted to is that when you look, when you glass, when you take your binoculars and you're looking out, looking for like an antler or an ear or anything, you start looking at things more intensely and differently.
02:25:51.000Because you're paying attention to things.
02:25:53.000And also, another thing I think about all the time, like in a place like The Breaks, is because the landscape might seem to some people redundant.
02:27:00.000You know, but when there's a deer out on that, you can focus in on that thing and experience that thing in a way that you just don't get to do.
02:27:06.000To an alien, the difference between...
02:27:09.000A human life, living and walking through a mall, that experience, and the human out there on the breaks, in the Missouri breaks, like, you want to talk about two completely different...
02:27:21.000Well, yeah, Juan Enrique says that he thinks that part of maybe the epidemic of people who have hypervigilant central nervous systems and are becoming, like, weirdly autistic might be that we're evolving because human beings today experience more stimulus in one day than they did in a lifetime.
02:27:56.000That's all these signals that are firing off your reward systems and Getting your dopamine levels and your adrenaline levels up and you're getting engaged in the action.
02:28:48.000Everything from Martin Luther King to the Unabomber.
02:28:50.000And the new bomber had this point that I was, you know, as messed up as the guy was, he had this point that resonated with me where he talked about that he looked at, like, levels of difficulty.
02:29:00.000And there'd be, I can't remember what way it went, if it went up or down, but let's just say a level one difficulty was, like, no matter how hard you try, you'll fail.
02:30:23.000I'm most happy when I'm going like this.
02:30:26.000That's what I'm most happy when I'm going.
02:30:28.000If I'm not involved in something, if something's not stimulating me, whether it's training, doing something different, trying something, the hunting experience was a perfect example of that.
02:30:39.000The ability to go and do the show and what you guys brought to the table was so much better than anything we could have ever come up with on our own.
02:30:51.000I mean, the idea that you were going to take us in this fucking five-day camping thing with no cell phones and no internet connection, that's completely different than anything we would have ever done.
02:31:01.000If we just said, all right, let's go hunting.
02:31:11.000I'm so glad we did, and I'm so glad looking back on it, it just took five days.
02:31:14.000The first day we get there, pouring rain.
02:31:17.000I knew it was fucking for real when we stopped at one of the spots where Lewis and Clark camped.
02:31:24.000If you have any sense of history at all, and you're sort of trying to take this in, like how...
02:31:30.000Bizarre it really is that several hundred years ago before the inventions of radio and the camera, there were some fucking people that were traveling across the entire river.
02:31:41.000They were going down the Missouri River.
02:31:43.000They were traveling across the whole country.
02:31:45.000And they were right there camping where you're going to camp.
02:31:48.000And it's still, like, there's some notable things that are different, but it still is kind of the same.
02:31:54.000And there's a friend, there's a writer I've always admired a lot, the writer Ian Frazier, and he's written a lot about the American West, and we were on that river one time, and he was just saying, like, he just likes it that it happened.
02:32:08.000There's a place like Lewis and Clark came here and camped here and he's like, and then nothing ever really happened ever again.
02:32:16.000When I think about that, I often point out that you can go to sites, you can go to places.
02:32:20.000One time I was on the phone with Ian Frazier one time and I was telling him, he said, where are you?
02:32:25.000And I was in New York and we were trying to meet up.
02:32:28.000And I explained to him that I was out in front of this bar like the White Horse or something.
02:32:31.000He's like, you know, Dylan Thomas drank himself to death and died, right?
02:32:37.000And he's like, yeah, Dylan Thomas collapsed, like drank himself to death there.
02:32:41.000And on the one hand, it's like, wow, that's amazing.
02:32:45.000But then you think like all the other stuff that happened, you know, people getting hit by cars and like, you know, people getting broken up with and falling in love and like all these layers upon layers of other activities that went on there.
02:35:48.000Flood control and they form another function, erosion control.
02:35:52.000So you get built up over time just mud, silt in that river.
02:35:57.000So the river is a lot different than it used to be.
02:35:59.000As much as some of the surrounding topography is very similar and in some ways, in some regards, untouched, that river is now a creation of damming.
02:36:15.000We were talking about earlier, Lewis and Clark.
02:36:17.000So Lewis and Clark, when they got dispatched on their trip, and they went up, I can't remember if they left in 1802 or 1804. 1802 or 1804. They went up, and one of the things, they had many tasks that they were supposed to do, but one of the primary tasks Jefferson gave them was to find the headwaters of the Missouri.
02:36:35.000So people knew the Missouri was a major artery.
02:37:27.000We didn't know that much about the Missouri, because people had been dinking around the Mississippi long before they were dinking.
02:37:31.000Europeans had been messing around the Mississippi long before the Missouri.
02:37:35.000Hydrologists later and geologists later argued that the Mississippi wasn't named properly.
02:37:40.000That by any estimation it would be that the Missouri picked up the Mississippi and not vice versa.
02:37:46.000That where those two rivers came together, like the Missouri is a true continental river.
02:37:50.000It's draining all the way from the mountains of Montana out to the Gulf of Mexico and the Mississippi heads like up in Minnesota, you know.
02:37:59.000So they argued that that's actually what went on.
02:38:01.000So the Mississippi is now the Mississippi by name, but in like a physical sense, where you're looking, the Mississippi is the Missouri.
02:38:08.000I think the riverboat gambling is one of the craziest ideas ever, that they would allow you to gamble if you got in something floating and then they just pushed you out there.
02:38:16.000It has to be on state lines, though, right?
02:38:52.000Why does that get to be the lawless zone?
02:38:54.000Like the Great Lakes, you can't even see it.
02:38:55.000It could be a massive area of utter lawlessness, but there's no, like, you can't go out there and do crazy stuff that you can't do on the bank.
02:39:02.000Yeah, but I'm just saying a little gray area.
02:39:05.000You've also got to get up to every state.
02:39:07.000You could have a whole resort out in the middle of Lake Michigan.
02:39:32.000That they would be able to do this and make their own utopian society.
02:39:35.000They're tired of this nonsense, this libertarian ideals.
02:39:38.000Everybody wants everybody who joins this venture to be able to support themselves and to decide as a community that we could all work this out.
02:39:46.000They're going to make a gigantic island and push that bitch out into the ocean.
02:41:30.000When you get out where you can't see land, that's when I start getting that very nice, uncomfortable feeling.
02:41:36.000My buddy used to, for a living, used to take rich guys, they'd buy a sailboat, and then you'd have to sail it to them, wherever they were.
02:41:45.000But the problem was that when you do a winter run along the Atlantic, that's storm season.
02:41:50.000So very few people want to actually take the sailboat when you buy it in the winter and bring it to you because they're going to get caught in storms.
02:41:57.000My buddy used to just like – and he'd take a 32-foot yacht and he got caught in a storm off of San Francisco in the winter.
02:42:05.000And it was at night and he had strapped himself in and he was trying – he turned the boat because he was caught in 20-foot swells that were submerging the boat.
02:42:14.000So he would get submerged under the ocean and then pop out.
02:42:22.000Not only did he do it 14 hours alone but he had his crew underground because he was the captain.
02:42:28.000For 14 hours he did that and he radioed for a guy to get him but the guy wasn't experienced enough so then they had to radio a guy who did it a lot in Alaska.
02:44:15.000All of a sudden, he's in Houston, made a trip down to the ocean, he's standing out there watching it.
02:44:20.000It's like, you know, it's got to really fuck your mind.
02:44:23.000I hope I'm not saying something out of turn, but David Blaine, his trick, he wanted to cross the Pacific in a bottle.
02:44:29.000And so the problem was he went out on a catamaran in a really thick storm and people were like getting bandied about, bleeding, knocked out.
02:44:36.000And he's like, I'm good with any of that.
02:44:44.000But anyway, the point is that the guy said – Sam Sheridan who just – by the way, his book is great.
02:44:50.000Sam Sheridan goes, dude, if you get caught in a bottle – if you were in a bottle in the Pacific, you can get caught in a storm for 72 hours.
02:45:02.000You'd be tossing around in that bottle for 72 hours.
02:47:41.000I can completely understand your wife's point of view, not wanting to go and do the killing yourself, but the idea that there's something wrong with the people who do it.
02:47:52.000One of the things that I saw about this Newtown, Connecticut thing, one of the tweets that I read, I read a lot of crazy tweets, but one of them I read where this guy said, if you're a hunter, tough shit, get a new hobby, no guns.
02:48:14.000The idea that these people are willing to get, because of crazy people, whatever many, to get all rights to own firearms stripped away to the point where you can't hunt anymore, and the idea that someone would just propose that, that's the problem with voting.
02:48:30.000The problem with voting is that guy gets to vote too.
02:48:34.000Well, Tim Ferriss posted a cool article by somebody – I can't remember who it was and I read it and it was about – he said guns actually have a lot to do with why there isn't a lot of violence.
02:48:43.000They neutralize violence in some ways.
02:48:45.000It's sometimes in the sense that if you don't have guns, the guy with the biggest knife and the strongest guy is going to do what he wants and guns are – have always been sort of in a society.
02:48:54.000They keep the strongest guy with a knife from raping somebody in front of 12 people.
02:48:58.000Somebody is going to shoot that fucking guy.
02:48:59.000Yeah, I mean, you can't have society in this form without some form of weaponry.
02:49:04.000You have to be able to protect people against aggressive people from somewhere else, whether it's a local threat or a threat on a boat from another fucking country like Columbus and his boys.
02:50:00.000I mean the utopia obviously would be no one has guns.
02:50:04.000If you go hunting, then you use guns I guess.
02:50:07.000Yeah, but by the way, what if you did have that?
02:50:09.000Then you'd have guys like… Shane Carwin and Nate Markor who would be the kings and call the shots because I'm not going to fight those guys.
02:50:16.000We'd have to band together as like six guys and be like, let's go.
02:50:19.000So it's better to have – it's sort of a balancing act.
02:50:25.000It's better to have some sort of an ability to defend yourself physically and then society can move on.
02:50:31.000And if you can't defend yourself physically just because of your mere size or you're dealing with some Shaquille O'Neal type dude that you just physically – there's nothing you can do about it, then a gun comes into play.
02:50:41.000Well, they always say that conflict resolution in any society becomes paramount like in a – A society, you have to have a mechanism for conflict resolution because inevitably there will be conflict among men and so how you meet out justice and how you keep order is very important for any society if you think about it.
02:51:02.000Inevitably there's going to be conflict.
02:51:03.000I think the thing we're missing is teaching young kids how to fight.
02:51:29.000I think if you taught kids martial arts, it would stop almost all bullying.
02:51:32.000Because kids would be involved in competition.
02:51:34.000And when they're involved in competition, they're not thinking about picking on weak people.
02:51:37.000They're thinking about how to advance their game so they can compete.
02:51:41.000Whether it's jiu-jitsu or wrestling or boxing or any of those martial sports, I think if you teach as many people as you can how to do it, you're going to have a much more polite society.
02:52:58.000You want to be in a situation where I'm like...
02:53:01.000For me, First Amendment stuff is extremely important to me.
02:53:05.000Second Amendment issues are extremely important to me.
02:53:07.000I feel that just to do reactionary measures against our amendment rights and thinking we're going to solve some problem isn't right.
02:53:14.000The same way I don't think it's right to suppress freedom of speech in order to solve a problem that might have come out of the right of assembly or that might have come out of freedom of the press, that someone incited violence through the press so they should be shut down.
02:53:25.000Nor do I think that a firearms owner should be shut down.
02:53:28.000I think it's a very complicated issue.
02:53:29.000I think it also fosters some cookie-cutter type thinking sometimes where people on the left just follow that predetermined pattern of behavior and people on the right follow that.
02:54:34.000When you start having to pay off giant sums, it's pretty proven that there's something fucked up going on with antidepressants and the human mind.
02:54:44.000It's not always, but it's not everybody.
02:54:47.000I think there's people that their brain is just not set up correctly.
02:54:53.000I think there's a whole bunch of people in this world where they got a shitty roll of the dice and their brain is just not working good.
02:55:01.000And I think if you want to medicate those people and just start throwing chemicals at the problem, you might not always be doing the right thing.
02:55:08.000And when you do that and you have a really disturbed individual like it's in the case of over and over again with some of these shooters.
02:55:15.000The hypothesis is that these drugs are allowing these kids to much more easily perform horrific tasks because they've sort of changed reality.
02:55:26.000Well, the way they interact with the mind that they allow you to accept things in a way that you would normally have like giant red psychological flags going off left and right.
02:55:35.000Instead, it just allows you to like deal with shit.
02:55:38.000and that's one of the ways that for some folks it helps them overcome depression you know it's like these things are very unusual because One of the things that I've learned talking to my friends that are on these antidepressants, including people that absolutely need them and then people who've tried them and gave them away,
02:55:55.000is that they never know exactly which one's going to work for you and they'll switch medications on you.
02:56:01.000And then a lot of it is just everybody's got a different setup and what works for you might not work for him and the only way to tell is they've got to fucking try shit out on you.
02:56:09.000I have a real hard time with that when you're dealing with psychotic people that might have access to assault rifles.
02:56:14.000Like when you have that – those things together and then you find out that 90 percent of all these school shootings are either someone who's on withdrawal from SSRIs or someone who's on them.
02:56:25.000They were talking – they had these mental health experts on.
02:56:28.000They were talking about how – like Jared Lofner, the guy who shot the Arizona – He had been symptomatic for 10 years.
02:56:34.000I mean he was psychotic and symptomatic and it was very clear that – and the problem was he said that there's – in the law, you can't incarcerate somebody against their will unless they are – I would love to hear this.
02:58:07.000My last book was audio, but the audio thing, like, I don't know.
02:58:11.000People are kind of backing away from it in a weird way.
02:58:13.000Alright you dirty freaks, tomorrow Opie from Opie and Anthony, Greg Hughes will be here and then Wednesday the great Duncan Trussell will join us.
02:58:20.000So thank you and that's the end of the show.