The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #316

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00:00:57.000 Ladies and gentlemen, we seriously got two fucking legends in the house.

00:01:03.000 This is a ridiculous late night podcast.

00:01:07.000 It's 12.30 a.m.

00:01:08.000 here.

00:01:09.000 Ensign Inuit.

00:01:10.000 Where'd you fly in from?

00:01:11.000 Portman.

00:01:12.000 Portland, Oregon.

00:01:13.000 Just flew in from Portland, staying with Chuck Liddell and both of them.

00:01:17.000 The only way to do a podcast is to bang it out right now at 12.30 a.m.

00:01:21.000 So here we are, man.

00:01:22.000 Speaking in the microphone.

00:01:24.000 Tell everybody what's up.

00:01:25.000 What's up?

00:01:25.000 Hi.

00:01:25.000 People have been asking for this podcast for a long fucking time, man.

00:01:29.000 Yeah, I wonder why.

00:01:30.000 You're a very unique character.

00:01:31.000 They want to hear you talk.

00:01:34.000 You're not just a pioneer of MMA, as is Chuck.

00:01:38.000 But you're also a very unique human being.

00:01:42.000 And there's a lot of stuff that you do both inside of martial arts and outside of martial arts.

00:01:48.000 It's very, very admirable.

00:01:49.000 And one of the things that I really appreciate is I keep seeing all this stuff that you're doing for the victims of Fukushima.

00:01:57.000 And you've gone down there several times, haven't you?

00:01:59.000 Yeah, 21 times now.

00:02:01.000 Whoa!

00:02:02.000 Twenty-one times!

00:02:03.000 And what are you doing when you go down there?

00:02:05.000 It was actually a change of different things that I did.

00:02:09.000 In the beginning we just went up there just to save people, help people.

00:02:13.000 It was like two weeks after the tsunami hit.

00:02:15.000 And then it moved to helping the people in the evacuation centers.

00:02:19.000 And then now it's people that are placed in temporary housing that don't have any source of income.

00:02:26.000 We're just trying to help them, supply them with their basic necessities.

00:02:29.000 Like water, stuff like water, toilet paper, tissue, dog food, cat food.

00:02:34.000 I mean, a lot of people take things for granted.

00:02:37.000 There's so much that these people need.

00:02:40.000 People forgetting about it because they're not on the news anymore.

00:02:42.000 Were you in Japan when the quake hit?

00:02:44.000 Yeah, I was in Japan.

00:02:45.000 Did you feel it?

00:02:46.000 Yeah, it was the craziest earthquake I ever felt.

00:02:50.000 The difference was it didn't...

00:02:51.000 Usually earthquakes last a few seconds.

00:02:53.000 And you're like, oh, earthquake, finish.

00:02:56.000 But this one just kept going and it kept getting stronger.

00:02:58.000 We're like, whoa.

00:02:59.000 I was on the phone with a friend at the time.

00:03:11.000 It's kind of fucked up because the videos of the tsunami was, you know, we've all known about tsunamis for, you know, hundreds of years, if not thousands of years.

00:03:20.000 People have been aware that that happens when the ocean goes out, that you got to get the fuck out of there because something's going on.

00:03:25.000 We've never really seen it on video.

00:03:27.000 We've never captured it the way it was captured in Fukushima.

00:03:31.000 It's scary, huh?

00:03:32.000 When you saw those cars rolling over the ground, just going with the ocean and taking out houses and houses floating that were on fire.

00:03:42.000 It's like Mother Nature, man.

00:03:44.000 Even when they had it going over the rice fields and they had these white greenhouses on it.

00:03:48.000 You've got to realize those greenhouses are like 12 feet tall.

00:03:51.000 Jesus Christ.

00:03:51.000 And they looked like little toys and it was going right over everything.

00:03:54.000 It was...

00:03:55.000 Unbelievable.

00:03:56.000 It was amazing to watch.

00:03:58.000 It was amazing to watch the physical devastation that Mother Nature can bring.

00:04:02.000 And by the way, shit like that, which happens every several hundred years, we just haven't documented it like this.

00:04:09.000 We didn't have video cameras the last time it happened like this.

00:04:13.000 What was amazing though, to me, was not just that something like this would happen, but How orderly everybody responded in Japan.

00:04:20.000 Like you saw the lines.

00:04:22.000 Everybody was, when they were waiting for aid or when they were helping each other.

00:04:25.000 It was really pretty amazing.

00:04:27.000 Yeah, it's a little different than the rest of the world, huh?

00:04:29.000 Fuck yeah!

00:04:30.000 A lot different!

00:04:31.000 Yeah, they're lining up for food when they don't have food, you know?

00:04:34.000 What is the difference?

00:04:36.000 I mean, is it just the culture of Japan?

00:04:38.000 Yeah, it's just the culture and the mannerisms and the type of, they have this, you know, the Spirit, you know, to suck it off.

00:04:47.000 You see it in the fighters too in Japan.

00:04:49.000 Yeah.

00:04:50.000 I mean, I hate to talk to Americans, but man, sometimes I go to my brother's gym and you got to tell guys to do a couple more rounds.

00:04:58.000 But in the Japanese guys, you got to tell them, stop.

00:05:02.000 Or they'll keep going.

00:05:03.000 You teach them a technique, they'll keep doing it.

00:05:05.000 I mean, I'll do a seminar in Japan, teach them a technique, I'll forget about it and start talking to someone and look back and they're still repeating the technique over and over.

00:05:12.000 But when I go and do something in the States, it's like...

00:05:15.000 Keep going, keep going.

00:05:16.000 They do it one story and say, okay, next move.

00:05:18.000 Keep going, keep doing it.

00:05:21.000 The mentality is a little different.

00:05:22.000 There's a lot of lazy bitches in this country.

00:05:25.000 We got it too good.

00:05:27.000 We got it too good.

00:05:28.000 Everyone's fucking soft over here.

00:05:30.000 It's hard to find super disciplined people over here.

00:05:34.000 It is a fascinating thing when you see that an entire country has a different philosophy.

00:05:41.000 You know, and I've only been to Japan once, but it was amazing.

00:05:44.000 It was really interesting.

00:05:45.000 And it was after the earthquake, and it was after Fukushima and everything.

00:05:50.000 It was when the UFC was there.

00:05:51.000 Yeah.

00:05:51.000 And it's a totally different world, man.

00:05:54.000 Yeah, it's pretty neat.

00:05:55.000 It's very neat, you know?

00:05:56.000 I like it, I like it.

00:05:57.000 How long have you been over there now?

00:05:58.000 22 years now.

00:05:59.000 Wow.

00:05:59.000 And you were born and raised in America.

00:06:01.000 In Hawaii.

00:06:02.000 Yeah.

00:06:03.000 And what led you to go to Japan?

00:06:05.000 For, actually, racquetball.

00:06:07.000 Racquetball.

00:06:07.000 To play racquetball tournament.

00:06:08.000 Wow.

00:06:09.000 Yeah, I wasn't even fighting.

00:06:10.000 I was just training because we had a lot of street fights in Hawaii.

00:06:12.000 So I was just training just so I didn't get my ass kicked in Hawaii.

00:06:15.000 Pretty much because we're Japanese and back in the day, being big was being strong.

00:06:20.000 So for me, being an Oriental, we were smaller so we just had to really fight for our stuff.

00:06:25.000 We either had to give over our lunch money every day or fight for it.

00:06:29.000 Hawaii is one of the last places where street fights go down on a fucking regular basis too.

00:06:34.000 Yeah.

00:06:36.000 It's kind of crazy, man.

00:06:38.000 Hawaii is one of the rare places that are left on this earth where things are decided with knuckles.

00:06:44.000 That's real.

00:06:46.000 There's a lot of places where there's all sorts of gun violence and knife violence.

00:06:50.000 I'm sure Hawaii has its share of that, but there's a lot of fucking fights going on in Hawaii.

00:06:55.000 That's true.

00:06:56.000 It's amazing when you think about an island in the middle of the Pacific and how many great fighters have come out of there.

00:07:01.000 Both you and your brother, BJ Penn, you know, and just keep naming all the way down the line.

00:07:06.000 Yeah, there's a lot that came out.

00:07:07.000 Yeah, God, Kendall Grove, and you know, there's so many guys came out of Hawaii.

00:07:13.000 There's a certain style of fighter that comes out of Hawaii.

00:07:18.000 Scrappy, wild, chance-taking, you know, in your face.

00:07:22.000 There's not, like, conservative fighters from Hawaii, you know?

00:07:26.000 Like, you don't see, like, a lot of stick-and-move, technical, like, trying to get out of there and stay safe, Remy Bonjowski-style, you know?

00:07:33.000 There's not a lot of that, man.

00:07:35.000 Dudes are going after it in Hawaii.

00:07:37.000 It's true.

00:07:37.000 It's interesting, man.

00:07:39.000 You and your brother, I was there for your USC debut.

00:07:42.000 I was there when you fought Royce Alger.

00:07:44.000 Oh, really?

00:07:44.000 Yeah, I was the backstage interviewer.

00:07:46.000 I'm pretty sure I interviewed you because you got injured in the fight and you couldn't continue.

00:07:52.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:07:52.000 Way back in, like, what was it, 97?

00:07:54.000 Was that 98?

00:07:55.000 Something like that?

00:07:56.000 Yeah.

00:07:57.000 I had no clue when I was hurt.

00:07:58.000 I remember it just felt a little weird, but I didn't think it was hurt.

00:08:02.000 Yeah, what happened to you?

00:08:04.000 I went backstage and I felt that I got hit, so I just wanted to check if my nose was bleeding.

00:08:10.000 And the basic rule, you know, don't blow your nose for hours.

00:08:13.000 And I blew my nose and I felt the air come through and almost felt like I was going to push my eye out.

00:08:19.000 I was like, holy shit, what just happened?

00:08:21.000 For folks who don't know, when a guy in a fight gets a broken nose, they always tell you don't blow your nose because there's some sort of pressure buildup.

00:08:29.000 There's a thin bone plate across your face here.

00:08:32.000 That's like paper thin.

00:08:33.000 And if there's any hole in it, it actually holds in the air into your face.

00:08:37.000 Pretty freaky, huh?

00:08:39.000 And if you have a little crack there and you blow your nose, it'll just push the air out through that.

00:08:44.000 So that's pretty much it.

00:08:45.000 I think it's for fighting, especially for kickboxers or boxers.

00:08:48.000 I think it's a real simple, basic rule.

00:08:51.000 Don't blow your nose after your fight.

00:08:52.000 It's so hard to do though, right?

00:08:53.000 Because you can't breathe out of your nose and blood's coming out of it and you want to breathe out of it.

00:08:56.000 I was actually kind of just checking if my nose was bleeding and I just blew and it's like poof and like whoa.

00:09:02.000 That was a fight where Royce Alger was...

00:09:05.000 That was when Mark Coleman was on top and wrestlers like the high-end wrestlers...

00:09:10.000 Kevin Jackson was beating me extremely.

00:09:10.000 Yeah, Kevin Jackson and Randleman was in his prime and it was a lot of like high-end wrestlers were just starting to enter into the game.

00:09:17.000 Yeah.

00:09:17.000 Yeah, the wrestlers were the ones that were beating everybody.

00:09:21.000 Yeah, but I remember you caught him in the armbar, and I think you broke his arm.

00:09:27.000 Yeah, I did.

00:09:28.000 It popped.

00:09:28.000 But I remember your brothers, they were yelling something at you guys, and as you were leaving, your brother was like, wrestlers ain't shit.

00:09:35.000 There was some thing back and forth between the wrestlers and you guys.

00:09:40.000 Oh, really?

00:09:40.000 I didn't notice that.

00:09:40.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:09:41.000 I remember it, man.

00:09:42.000 It was interesting, because you...

00:09:45.000 In Armbar and him, it wasn't just an upset.

00:09:49.000 It was an upset, but it was also like the world got to know you.

00:09:54.000 That was like your first big fight on the big stage.

00:09:56.000 It was kind of good that they just blew up Royce.

00:09:59.000 It kind of helped me out.

00:10:00.000 Yeah, they made a big deal out of him because they thought, well, here's a very successful amateur wrestler.

00:10:05.000 He's probably going to be the next big thing in MMA. But it turned out that you were.

00:10:10.000 It's kind of shitty where we were going.

00:10:12.000 Everything was about rice, rice, rice, rice, rice.

00:10:14.000 And even the way they questioned me, it's almost like when I fought Randy, the same type of question.

00:10:18.000 Like, are you going to be okay kind of thing?

00:10:22.000 He's human, man.

00:10:24.000 He gets a mistake and I grab that arm and break it like any other arm, you know?

00:10:28.000 Did you fight Randy with pants on?

00:10:30.000 Were you wearing gi pants on?

00:10:31.000 No, I just fought in the tights.

00:10:33.000 You caught Randy with an arm bar as well, right?

00:10:36.000 Almost the exact same time too.

00:10:38.000 It was like right after, because Randy was there at that UFC. He won the heavyweight tournament.

00:10:42.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:10:43.000 So I didn't expect for him to make that mistake.

00:10:47.000 Yeah, he fought Tony Halma, and then he fought that big black kid, who had a lot of promise, but after that Randy fight, we never really saw him again.

00:10:54.000 That kid was pretty good.

00:10:56.000 But you did one thing in that fight that we hadn't seen up until that point.

00:11:01.000 It was like, in the Royce Alger fight, we were just starting to get accustomed to what techniques were really effective in MMA. And we'd seen Hoist, Gracie, of course, Armbar, a few guys, but we hadn't seen him take on one of these...

00:11:28.000 Especially the way they hyped him up.

00:11:30.000 It still bothers you.

00:11:33.000 Yeah.

00:11:34.000 Well then after that fight, the next thing that you showed though was in the Randy fight.

00:11:38.000 You were kicking the shit out of his legs from like the butt scoop position, man.

00:11:42.000 From the bottom, yeah.

00:11:43.000 Yeah, you landed some fucking hard leg kicks from that position.

00:11:46.000 Well, you don't see that very often.

00:11:49.000 You know?

00:11:50.000 I just have this style that just aggresses no matter where you're at.

00:11:54.000 Yeah.

00:11:54.000 And we...

00:11:55.000 They weren't really checking the leg tape.

00:11:58.000 I literally put a whole roll of tape on my legs.

00:12:00.000 And it was pretty much 80% in the front.

00:12:03.000 And they let it go.

00:12:04.000 And it was like a little cast.

00:12:05.000 All over the shin.

00:12:06.000 You probably heard a little more than it looked.

00:12:08.000 Sorry, Randy.

00:12:10.000 That's part of the game, though, you know?

00:12:12.000 Well, back in those days, you know, like, Chuck, I've watched your fights.

00:12:16.000 I've watched some of those Valley Tudo fights where it was no knuckles and the bottom of the ropes were a net.

00:12:23.000 The net.

00:12:23.000 I had the guys stuck underneath the net, pinned under there, and I'm hitting them through the net.

00:12:29.000 All the way!

00:12:32.000 Hammering them through the net and just blood dripping.

00:12:35.000 Those IVC days, right, in Brazil?

00:12:39.000 Yeah.

00:12:39.000 Some of those fucking fights were nuts.

00:12:41.000 The thing is, that show I was on, they filmed a show at the same time they were doing a 155 pound tournament in there.

00:12:49.000 And watching these guys, the guy that won it actually had gone through, he got cut in the first fight, got cut in the second fight.

00:12:58.000 And then won a 30-minute fight in the third fight with two big cuts on him.

00:13:03.000 I mean, these guys, they went at it in there.

00:13:06.000 It was a different world back then, man.

00:13:08.000 It was a different world.

00:13:09.000 30 minutes, they were 30-minute rounds, 30 minutes straight.

00:13:12.000 Yeah, and essentially no rules.

00:13:14.000 Do you remember when Gary Goodridge reached into the Pedro's pants and grabbed his dick and balls?

00:13:19.000 He grabbed his dick and balls and squeezed his dick and balls.

00:13:22.000 Remember that?

00:13:23.000 That was like a big deal when everybody was like, can he fucking do that?

00:13:26.000 No.

00:13:26.000 Yeah, yeah, he can do that.

00:13:28.000 There was like no eye gouging, no biting, he couldn't grab the ropes, and no oil I think was the rule.

00:13:34.000 Everything else, groin struts, illegal, headbutts, elbows.

00:13:37.000 How many dudes were oiled up though?

00:13:39.000 A lot of dudes oiled up, right?

00:13:40.000 Oh God.

00:13:41.000 Actually, Coleman went in the back and actually took the oil away from Vanderlei and, what's his name, and Pele in the back.

00:13:49.000 Coleman grabbed it from him and was in the back.

00:13:52.000 They were just oiling up.

00:13:53.000 Yeah.

00:13:57.000 It's so funny how the world has changed.

00:14:00.000 I remember I was there for your first fight in the UFC, too.

00:14:03.000 You fought Noe Hernandez.

00:14:07.000 And he was a boxer.

00:14:09.000 And I remember Peretti didn't know that you were a wrestler up until that fight.

00:14:14.000 He didn't know until the weigh-ins.

00:14:16.000 The big thing was we were going to weigh-in, right?

00:14:19.000 And I'm thinking, oh, I'm in the UFC. We're going for a weigh-in.

00:14:22.000 They're weighing and sitting on a bathroom scale.

00:14:25.000 I'm like cutting weight.

00:14:26.000 I mean, not like a digital bathroom scale.

00:14:29.000 One of them aluminum ones.

00:14:31.000 So I weighed into 13. And they actually asked me, hey, I know he was two pounds over.

00:14:37.000 Is that all right?

00:14:37.000 I looked at him and went, on that scale?

00:14:39.000 Yeah.

00:14:41.000 I'm like, let me get him back on here.

00:14:44.000 I'll show him how to make weight.

00:14:46.000 He's lean.

00:14:50.000 I'm like, you've got to be kidding me.

00:14:51.000 That's hilarious.

00:14:53.000 But yeah, but then I said something about it and he actually, he didn't know I was a wrestler.

00:14:56.000 He said, hey, you better keep this standing if you want to come back again.

00:15:00.000 He was in the back.

00:15:00.000 I'm like...

00:15:02.000 Alright, whatever, man.

00:15:03.000 Yeah, a lot of people don't know about that.

00:15:05.000 That's some fucking bullshit.

00:15:06.000 It's supposed to be MMA. You know, that someone would say that to you, especially right before a fight.

00:15:11.000 You better fight a certain way.

00:15:13.000 Yeah, it was...

00:15:13.000 I mean, you know, he was...

00:15:15.000 I don't know.

00:15:15.000 I don't know what his thing was.

00:15:17.000 He didn't like my haircut either.

00:15:19.000 Really?

00:15:20.000 He told me, yeah, that's outdated.

00:15:22.000 You can't wait.

00:15:23.000 Outdated.

00:15:23.000 Get rid of that haircut.

00:15:24.000 Outdated.

00:15:26.000 Okay, whatever.

00:15:29.000 Meanwhile, 2013, you're still rocking it.

00:15:31.000 Fuck him.

00:15:32.000 Where is he?

00:15:33.000 Outdated.

00:15:34.000 That's hilarious.

00:15:34.000 Outdated in 97. When was it okay?

00:15:37.000 The fucking Time of the Pilgrims?

00:15:39.000 That was the real Mohawks.

00:15:41.000 I mean, when was it okay if it's outdated?

00:15:44.000 I don't know.

00:15:45.000 I don't know what he was trying to say about whatever.

00:15:47.000 He didn't like my haircut.

00:15:48.000 Yeah, well, you know what?

00:15:49.000 Nobody knew you then.

00:15:51.000 In time, he would have had to have accepted.

00:15:54.000 I couldn't have seen, when you were on your fucking title reign, him coming up to you.

00:15:57.000 Listen, man, your fucking haircut's outdated.

00:16:00.000 Enough already with this mohawk.

00:16:03.000 Cover up that tattoo in your head, too.

00:16:04.000 It shit's ridiculous.

00:16:07.000 It's funny, the things that people choose to focus on.

00:16:11.000 You guys were there, those early days.

00:16:15.000 We were just talking in the car on the way here about, I remember going down, there was a Cobra Challenge in Temecula and having to muscle the guy to get my guys paid $100 and $100.

00:16:26.000 I was like, we didn't make any money on the show.

00:16:29.000 I'm looking at him like...

00:16:30.000 I don't care.

00:16:31.000 We don't have a kid at the gate and the guy's getting $200.

00:16:34.000 We're not business partners, man.

00:16:36.000 We're private contractors.

00:16:38.000 And it was sold out, not to mention, the place is packed.

00:16:42.000 If you didn't make any money, you're an idiot.

00:16:44.000 Was that one of those fights where it was like a pancreation style where they had to use open palms?

00:16:49.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:16:51.000 It's interesting.

00:16:53.000 Scott Adams was one of the first guys who was a leg lock specialist.

00:17:05.000 He became synonymous with leg locks.

00:17:08.000 Everybody knew.

00:17:09.000 He was 8-0 with 8 leg locks.

00:17:13.000 His longest fight was in the UFC. It was 3 minutes and 3-14, I think?

00:17:18.000 When you guys were competing back then, when you came in and UFC 18, 13?

00:17:24.000 I started working at 12, so you were 17. So when you guys were back there, and when you look back at that now, where the UFC is now, it's so fucking crazy.

00:17:36.000 It's like, did you ever think that it could ever get this big?

00:17:39.000 I was just telling him in the car, man.

00:17:41.000 I still can't believe how big it is, man.

00:17:42.000 Yeah, I was still telling Chuck in the car, man.

00:17:46.000 I can't believe how huge MMA has gotten.

00:17:49.000 Oh, it's insane.

00:17:49.000 I got pulled over on the way over here.

00:17:52.000 Because I was like, I'm going a little fast.

00:17:53.000 You know, I was trying to get here quick.

00:17:55.000 And the guy comes up.

00:17:57.000 He recognized me.

00:17:58.000 He goes, what are you doing?

00:17:59.000 I go, oh, my podcast studio's over here.

00:18:00.000 I'm doing a podcast with Ensign Inouye.

00:18:02.000 He goes, get the fuck out of here.

00:18:04.000 Wow!

00:18:05.000 I go, yeah, Chuck O'Dell's with him.

00:18:06.000 He goes, holy shit!

00:18:07.000 I thought he was going to ask to come and sit in.

00:18:09.000 I'm like...

00:18:10.000 I was like, I'm going to hide the weed when this guy gets in here.

00:18:13.000 But where it is now, it's like you could say the word Anderson Silva to anybody.

00:18:21.000 Oh, I heard that guy.

00:18:22.000 I know who that guy is.

00:18:23.000 It's so popular now.

00:18:25.000 I never would have thought it would have gotten to this point.

00:18:27.000 No, not me either.

00:18:28.000 I thought eventually.

00:18:29.000 I just thought it would be a long time coming.

00:18:31.000 I thought it was going to take a long time.

00:18:34.000 It was so quick.

00:18:37.000 Once we got on free TV, it was over.

00:18:39.000 There's never been a sport in our lifetimes that was complete obscurity in the 90s and then huge today.

00:18:46.000 This is the only sport like that that we've ever seen.

00:18:49.000 And the difference in the athletes and the difference in the level of competition from 1993 to your title reign to today.

00:18:57.000 I mean, it's amazing when you see...

00:18:59.000 The evolution of the sport is so fast.

00:19:01.000 It's fucking crazy, right?

00:19:03.000 You slow down for a second and you're past.

00:19:06.000 You two guys are responsible for some of the most exciting moments in the history of this sport, man.

00:19:13.000 Your fight with Igor Vovchanchin might be one of the fucking wildest exchanges.

00:19:18.000 Somebody had a YouTube clip.

00:19:21.000 They took a clip of just the first exchange where you guys were.

00:19:25.000 Winging punches, man.

00:19:26.000 Everybody thought in that fight, well, Igor's a striker.

00:19:29.000 Ensign's probably going to take him down and try to submit him.

00:19:32.000 The fuck you were.

00:19:36.000 You just ran at that dude swinging wild.

00:19:40.000 I watched it live, I remember.

00:19:42.000 That was when you had to watch them.

00:19:44.000 They were on like 4 o'clock in the morning in America.

00:19:46.000 You remember that?

00:19:47.000 Yeah.

00:19:48.000 Because it was airing live in Japan, and we would all stay up late to watch Pride, like late night on pay-per-view.

00:19:54.000 And I remember it was me and a couple guys from Jiu-Jitsu in the house.

00:19:57.000 We were fucking screaming at the top of our lungs.

00:20:00.000 We're like, holy shit!

00:20:02.000 Because it was just like a movie scene.

00:20:04.000 You came in throwing these fucking bombs!

00:20:09.000 It's like you just bit down on your mouthpiece and said, fuck it, let's take him where he lives.

00:20:15.000 That was a crazy fight, man.

00:20:18.000 Do you ever look back on fights like that going, what the fuck was I thinking there?

00:20:23.000 Well, basically, what people don't understand is my...

00:20:26.000 Well, I went into my fights with a little deeper thing.

00:20:29.000 I was thinking of growing as a person.

00:20:32.000 And I didn't really worry that much about the win-losses because in my types of fights, I never, ever was pressured on winning and losing because my fights were always fun.

00:20:40.000 It was always exciting.

00:20:41.000 Is that a difference in the way the Japanese fans view fights as opposed to American fans who put so much emphasis on victory, on winning?

00:20:49.000 Well, see, what's hard now is, you know, I can...

00:20:53.000 Say, yes, I'd rather have the fighters fight with more honor and more about the pride and the deep thing about the fight.

00:21:00.000 But it's hard because back in the day when we were fighting, there were no big sponsors.

00:21:04.000 You'd never made six figures.

00:21:06.000 There wasn't much pressure about winning and losing.

00:21:09.000 Back in the day, you were fighting for peanuts.

00:21:12.000 Basically, if you're fighting in the ring and putting your life on the line in the ring, it's about pride and honor.

00:21:17.000 So the fights were different.

00:21:20.000 You'd say to fighters, is that the Is it dishonorable for people to fight that way now?

00:21:26.000 No, it isn't because they have so much to gain from it now.

00:21:29.000 They can set their life with it now.

00:21:31.000 Winning and losing is a whole different thing right now in this day.

00:21:35.000 So for you, it wasn't about winning or losing.

00:21:38.000 It was about finding what you were capable of.

00:21:39.000 Well, it was basically for me, I wanted to learn something.

00:21:43.000 MMA, for me, was a stepping stone in my life as a man to grow.

00:21:47.000 I mean, when are you going to ever be put in a willingly walk into an area that you possibly might die that day?

00:21:54.000 You know, I mean, the stress and the fears and the anxieties you've got to overcome in that moment is not something you're going to ever gain in a day-to-day, daily lifetime routine.

00:22:04.000 I mean, we're lucky as fighters to grow spiritually and grow in our heart as far as facing that fear every day.

00:22:12.000 I mean, you can get hit with the wrong punch.

00:22:15.000 This guy can hurt you real bad.

00:22:17.000 People didn't just respect that, but they responded to that in a big way, that attitude.

00:22:23.000 Yamato Damashi, is that how you say it?

00:22:24.000 Yeah, it was nicknamed that in Japan.

00:22:26.000 And that means?

00:22:27.000 It means the Japanese spirit, which was actually used back in the Samurai days, so I translate it as the Samurai spirit.

00:22:33.000 And you became known for that attitude.

00:22:36.000 And people knew that when Ensign Inoue stepped into the ring of the cage, there was no playing it safe.

00:22:43.000 There was going to be some wild shit going down every single time.

00:22:47.000 And, you know, man, they loved you for that.

00:22:49.000 The ovations that you got in Japan because of that.

00:22:52.000 They were gigantic.

00:22:53.000 Yeah, it was a real good nickname to have.

00:22:56.000 Basically, when I got it, I didn't know how big the word was.

00:23:00.000 And from being, okay, that's Kukanji, to, whoa, they named me that, to now I'm actually trying to live my life to be as close as I can to that way of life, which is hard.

00:23:13.000 So when they named you that, did you feel like a big obligation because of that?

00:23:17.000 Yeah, at first I didn't know what it meant, and then when I found out what it meant, I was really questioning myself, like, do I? You know, I mean, I show it in the ring, I mean, it's not just about being in the ring, and I have my fears in the ring, too.

00:23:30.000 I mean, if you watch the Igor fight, the first, I faked a tackle, I threw a right, and from there I was going to stand toe-to-toe with him, but all of a sudden I found myself clinching.

00:23:39.000 You know, so I got my fears, and everyone doesn't see that.

00:23:41.000 If you look back at the video, you'll see that.

00:23:43.000 I had fear took over me for a moment.

00:23:47.000 And I beat that battle.

00:23:49.000 I released and I threw down.

00:23:51.000 But, you know, I fight that fear too.

00:23:54.000 You know, so as far as, you know, people say Yamato Damashi, the undying spirit, you know, never taps and never gives up.

00:24:02.000 There's so many times in the fight, if you really look at it, that I'm fighting that myself, and I'm standing there thinking, am I justified to carry this, man?

00:24:10.000 Did you think that in the middle of a fight?

00:24:12.000 Yeah, I mean, for me, when I say Yamato Damacy, the summer spirit, to have an experience to grow your spirit to that level, every time you have an opportunity to do it, it's not exactly, I can't tell you that, okay, Doing this is going to be a Yamatha experience because it depends on the person.

00:24:30.000 You know, like a phone driver, if you tell him to get in the car and take a hairpin turn at 200 miles per hour, it wouldn't be an experience for him to build his heart because he does it.

00:24:39.000 But if I were to do that, hell yeah, I'd be freaking shit in my pants, you know?

00:24:43.000 So for me, I mean, when I go into the ring, you know, it's like, it's the situation that happens.

00:24:50.000 So it was perfect for me, for Igor's fight, because if I went and stood in and just threw down, and just threw down from the beginning, it'd be like, cool.

00:24:59.000 I conquered that anxiety and the fear, but it wasn't really a Yamato Damish experience because it wouldn't have been if I didn't clinch.

00:25:07.000 So what happened, what made me happy was I actually had that fear take over me, you know.

00:25:10.000 So for me, I did some growing in my heart because I clinched and I actually hesitated in thinking of trying to take them down instead of getting top position.

00:25:20.000 Wow.

00:25:20.000 Do you think that when you look at that attitude towards fighting and you look at how that attitude towards fighting was sort of a part of that era where there wasn't that much money to be made and there wasn't that much on the line to win,

00:25:36.000 do you think that those days are gone?

00:25:38.000 Well, it is.

00:25:39.000 It is because of the rules.

00:25:41.000 I mean, they stop fights way faster now.

00:25:44.000 I basically see a lot of fights where the spirit will start taking over someone, the fights are stopped.

00:25:50.000 But I understand it's a sport.

00:25:52.000 You have sponsors.

00:25:53.000 It has to be televised.

00:25:54.000 It can't be too brutal.

00:25:55.000 I mean, that's understandable.

00:25:57.000 It's like a, you know, damn if you do, damn if you don't.

00:26:02.000 When I see some of those fights, I cringe because I think, damn, this is right here.

00:26:05.000 This is where this guy's heart's going to have to kick in.

00:26:08.000 And they stop the fight and say, Yeah.

00:26:11.000 I get kind of bummed at that, you know.

00:26:12.000 You know what else was big?

00:26:13.000 Was that 10 minute first round in Pride.

00:26:16.000 Yeah, we have fought the 10 minute first round.

00:26:17.000 That 10 minute first round was big.

00:26:19.000 Yeah, that was great.

00:26:21.000 Because, you know, five minutes shit just gets interesting.

00:26:23.000 You're halfway through.

00:26:25.000 You got five more minutes after five minutes of hell.

00:26:28.000 Yeah.

00:26:30.000 That first round was incredible.

00:26:31.000 It's not exactly the best thing for, you know, if you want to find sponsors and televise it and get people attracted to it that don't understand the sport, you know, it's...

00:26:40.000 Yeah, it's kind of a balancing act, isn't it?

00:26:44.000 Yeah, it's hard, man.

00:26:45.000 It's hard.

00:26:46.000 How do you soften up cage fighting, though?

00:26:48.000 How do you soften up mixed martial arts?

00:26:50.000 They did.

00:26:51.000 They're stopping the fight sooner.

00:26:53.000 Did you see the Bisping Belfort this weekend?

00:26:56.000 Yeah, I saw that.

00:26:56.000 Did you think that fight was stopped a little soon?

00:27:04.000 He's laying in the fetal position with the guy behind him throwing hammer fists.

00:27:08.000 You're not trying to defend yourself.

00:27:11.000 At no point are you there trying to defend yourself.

00:27:14.000 I mean, he wasn't stopping him from rolling up to his belly.

00:27:18.000 He wasn't stopping him from trying to get up, and he wasn't trying to get up.

00:27:23.000 Yeah.

00:27:23.000 So you're not defending us.

00:27:25.000 I mean, the only thing that I had heard...

00:27:27.000 The only question I had was, why did they touch him, step back, and once you touch him, it's over.

00:27:33.000 Well, it didn't last very long.

00:27:35.000 I mean, he dropped him, and then, you know, you look at the replay, you're dealing with, like, you're only talking about a couple of seconds.

00:27:41.000 Shots to the body.

00:27:42.000 He hit him, I think it was two times in the head, and then he went to a couple of levels to the body.

00:27:47.000 But he didn't even try to roll back up.

00:27:49.000 He wasn't trying to get out...

00:27:51.000 He turned his back.

00:27:52.000 It was over.

00:27:53.000 He turned his back and fixed the other way.

00:27:55.000 What's going on with the volume, man?

00:27:56.000 What are you doing here?

00:27:58.000 It's varying.

00:27:59.000 That was a big fucking head kick.

00:28:02.000 That was clean.

00:28:03.000 I mean, he wasn't trying to defend himself.

00:28:05.000 He didn't look like he was trying to do it.

00:28:07.000 I mean, nothing against him.

00:28:10.000 I don't think he knew where he was at at that point.

00:28:13.000 Instincts kicked in.

00:28:15.000 I'm all for it.

00:28:16.000 I think at the top level, I'm all for letting it go a little longer.

00:28:20.000 I complain a little bit about guys.

00:28:22.000 I mean, I understand stopping real quick at the lower levels, but at the higher levels, these guys, that's their career, their life.

00:28:30.000 They've been there.

00:28:31.000 You've got to give them a chance to pull the way out of it because we've seen fights with Big Nog almost holding on and coming back and winning the fight.

00:28:40.000 Well, how about Frankie Edgar?

00:28:42.000 Or Frank Yeager, yeah.

00:28:43.000 That motherfucker comes back.

00:28:44.000 Holy shit.

00:28:45.000 He survived that.

00:28:46.000 Crazy, you know?

00:28:47.000 His second fight with Graemean?

00:28:48.000 There's been a lot of times like that where you've seen guys that, and then you see another fight where, you know, that gets stopped in your way.

00:28:55.000 Hold on a second.

00:28:56.000 Yeah.

00:28:56.000 Yeah, we got a real problem with referees that have itchy trigger fingers, and referees that get involved too much, and, like, they're telling guys to fight, and, like, when they are fighting...

00:29:06.000 They just make their presence known too much.

00:29:08.000 There's too much intervention by them.

00:29:12.000 They need to learn how to step back.

00:29:14.000 Too many fights get called where you have to look at the instant replay.

00:29:18.000 Like the controversy this weekend about hitting the back of the head.

00:29:21.000 Yeah, that one was bad.

00:29:22.000 Oh, it was terrible.

00:29:23.000 Did you see that?

00:29:24.000 He didn't get hit once in the back of the head.

00:29:25.000 No!

00:29:26.000 Mergliata called the fight a no contest.

00:29:29.000 And I don't know if the guy was complaining what happened, but he hit him once with an elbow to the ear, clean elbow, and then punched to the side of the head.

00:29:37.000 And, you know, he's saying, watch the back of the head, watch the back of the head.

00:29:40.000 And I don't know if the dude on the bottom was saying something, but it was bad.

00:29:44.000 It was a terrible, terrible call.

00:29:46.000 That's happened in Brazil a couple of times.

00:29:48.000 That happened with the Eric Silva fight when Eric Silva got the same thing.

00:29:53.000 Mario Yamasaki called it a no contest from shots to the back of the head.

00:29:56.000 And the guy played it up too, huh?

00:29:59.000 He definitely played it out because he was holding the back of his head and then you see the instant replay and the elbows hit him in the ear.

00:30:05.000 Yeah, it was really bad.

00:30:07.000 That is bad.

00:30:08.000 I was kind of stoked when I heard Dana tweeted something like, I will never find the UFC again.

00:30:12.000 Really?

00:30:13.000 I think he tweeted that.

00:30:14.000 Wow.

00:30:15.000 I was kind of stoked.

00:30:15.000 I was thinking the same thing.

00:30:16.000 I think I should never forget an octagon ever again.

00:30:19.000 That guy's a disgrace to the sport.

00:30:20.000 Yeah, it's sad when you see guys do shit like that.

00:30:23.000 Yeah.

00:30:23.000 When you see someone looking for a way out and looking for an excuse, like, listen, man, there's a fucking camera there, and there's a camera there, and there's a camera there.

00:30:31.000 Everyone can see where those shots land.

00:30:33.000 Like, I don't know what you're...

00:30:34.000 You can't just pretend that it hit you in the back of the head.

00:30:37.000 I don't know what happened there, but refereeing, bad refereeing sucks, but bad judging is even more prevalent than bad refereeing.

00:30:46.000 We got a lot of that now.

00:30:47.000 Well, okay, first off, judging, it's hard anyway.

00:30:52.000 Yes, absolutely.

00:30:53.000 But then you put that with a lot of guys that just don't understand the sport.

00:30:58.000 They don't understand either the jiu-jitsu or they don't understand the striking or they don't...

00:31:04.000 And they're judging it on the highest level.

00:31:07.000 And they don't really understand, you know, when a guy's working for something, or like, I mean, you know, you guys, oh, you got to count that attempted submission.

00:31:14.000 Well, hey, throwing your legs up into a triangle like this is not an attempted submission.

00:31:19.000 You know, it's got to be closer than that if you want to call it an attempted submission.

00:31:22.000 It's gotta be like a guy fights out of it.

00:31:25.000 You gotta fight out of it.

00:31:26.000 I mean, you know, wrestling.

00:31:29.000 Is it takedown?

00:31:30.000 Which takedown's good?

00:31:32.000 How much do you count the takedown getting up or getting back up?

00:31:36.000 What's the skateboard?

00:31:37.000 When you were fighting, you were famous for your takedown defense, but you were also famous for being able to get up off the bottom.

00:31:43.000 If you got taken down, were you thinking, man, how much are the judges gonna pay attention to this?

00:31:48.000 Even if I get right back up real quick, how much does that score?

00:31:52.000 Well, I never worried about that.

00:31:53.000 I mean, my thing was, I was always, it's a lot easier to get back up if you start as soon as I hit the ground.

00:31:59.000 Right.

00:32:00.000 You know, if I let you get on top of me and get set, it's real hard to get off my back.

00:32:05.000 Right, right.

00:32:05.000 But if you get a takedown, it's not over.

00:32:08.000 This isn't college.

00:32:09.000 No one's throwing up two points.

00:32:11.000 I'm still, as soon as we hit the ground, I'm fighting your takedown.

00:32:16.000 My thing was I was always trying to fight a guy.

00:32:19.000 I'm staying offensive, so he can't hit me when I'm down.

00:32:21.000 He can't really score when I'm down there.

00:32:23.000 I don't really think of a guy who just takes a guy down and holds him unless nothing else is really done in the round.

00:32:28.000 Right.

00:32:29.000 It doesn't mean anything.

00:32:30.000 Does that mean you should win?

00:32:30.000 Right.

00:32:31.000 You've got a takedown.

00:32:33.000 You haven't been able to land a punch, haven't done anything.

00:32:36.000 If he gets up and lands some punches standing, he should win the round.

00:32:39.000 So is it a case a lot of times of a guy trying to conserve energy or trying to figure out when to explode, like when he gets taken down where he'll hang on for a second and then start moving, whereas you would...

00:32:50.000 As soon as your back touches the ground, you're scooting, you're fighting for underhooks.

00:32:55.000 The problem I tell a lot of guys all the time is if you get down, you get that oh shit moment, oh shit.

00:33:03.000 As soon as you did that, you're fucked.

00:33:07.000 Sorry, now it's going to be a bitch to get off your back.

00:33:10.000 Right.

00:33:11.000 But, you know, my thing is as soon as you hit the ground, there's a little space.

00:33:14.000 Even when you hit a good hard slant, good takedown, boom, there's balance.

00:33:17.000 Guess what that is?

00:33:18.000 Space.

00:33:19.000 Yeah.

00:33:19.000 It's that space.

00:33:20.000 Now I'm pushing already.

00:33:21.000 I'm already working to get back up.

00:33:23.000 So, I mean, that helps you continue to get up.

00:33:28.000 But what's interesting is you guys had to figure that shit out in the cage.

00:33:32.000 There wasn't a whole series of fighters that came before you that had already figured that out.

00:33:37.000 Essentially, takedown defense and the ability to get up off the bottom in an MMA fight was kind of written by you.

00:33:45.000 I put together some stuff from...

00:33:48.000 John Lewis taught me how to get out this way.

00:33:52.000 Scott Adams taught me how to roll the knee bar this way.

00:33:54.000 I kind of figured out how to do a push-pull thing with the guys.

00:33:58.000 And I just change something right at the end of each thing to get, because instead of going to roll that knee bar, I get halfway there and just stand up.

00:34:06.000 And guess what?

00:34:06.000 If I get halfway there, so I get people off balance and I can go, I do a push-pull and make it so I try to get you to push real hard to stop this one, I go the other way.

00:34:15.000 And you stop that and I pop under the other way.

00:34:17.000 But it's kind of fascinating when you think about it because you had to kind of figure all that out.

00:34:22.000 You came along in 97. I mean, there wasn't a lot of dudes who had already done that before you where there was like...

00:34:31.000 You look at a guy like Rory McDonald who's training at TriStar.

00:34:34.000 He's got George St. Pierre in his camp for us.

00:34:36.000 They got fucking charts and graphs and dry erase boards where they're writing down every day's workout where they're trying to break it down to each individual technique and skill.

00:34:46.000 Yeah, we were all trying to put it together.

00:34:47.000 You had to figure it out.

00:34:47.000 Yeah.

00:34:48.000 When we came in, you know, everyone's trying to figure out...

00:34:50.000 Most guys came in with one thing, you know, wrestling or striking or jiu-jitsu, and they come in and they're trying to mix them all together.

00:34:58.000 And we were also trying to figure out how to train them together.

00:35:00.000 Yeah.

00:35:00.000 Like, okay, how do I train my wrestling and my jiu-jitsu and my striking and my jiu-jitsu together?

00:35:05.000 Like, how do I... What's the right balance of working out here and there?

00:35:10.000 What's strength training?

00:35:11.000 How do I mix everything?

00:35:13.000 You know, it was...

00:35:14.000 It was an interesting time.

00:35:15.000 Challenging.

00:35:16.000 Challenging.

00:35:17.000 And now you got guys, like you said, and you'll see guys get better and better because you got guys that now they're learning mixed martial arts from the start.

00:35:24.000 Yeah.

00:35:24.000 And they have coaches that know how to train it, know how to teach it.

00:35:30.000 And then they're still going to be innovative a little bit.

00:35:33.000 And guys are still going to create their own little things that work better for you or for him or whatever body type you are.

00:35:38.000 Now, I talked to you about this and you don't know, but...

00:35:42.000 Have you thought about opening up a gym?

00:35:43.000 Are you thinking about training people and coaching people?

00:35:46.000 I want to open a gym.

00:35:47.000 I don't know if I'm going to get into all the coaching guys to fight, but I always like working with guys that are fighting.

00:35:54.000 I always like working with different things and showing them things I like or I do different than what they're used to doing.

00:36:01.000 And seeing someone use it.

00:36:02.000 You know, if you've got a guy at that level, I show a guy, I think one of my favorites, I remember teaching Forrest how to find point to something he'd done forever.

00:36:11.000 And he said, I thought that was a bullshit move, it never worked.

00:36:14.000 And he's like, oh, that's what I was doing wrong?

00:36:16.000 Because now it just, it worked, it was just a guard, you know, guard, guard pass thing.

00:36:21.000 But it was, he's like, oh man, damn, that's what I was missing.

00:36:24.000 And that's fun for me.

00:36:26.000 Well, you enjoy teaching.

00:36:27.000 I was just saying, we were talking about before the podcast ever started about Glover.

00:36:30.000 You've been training with Glover and getting him ready for his fight with Rampage this weekend.

00:36:34.000 Yeah, I've been working with Glover over the last two fights.

00:36:37.000 After he got back in the U.S., I mean, he'd been away from, you know, he was training with us for a long time and then he went back to, got stuck in Brazil for a few years.

00:36:47.000 I'm just working with him with stuff that we used to do.

00:36:51.000 Some of the stuff that he's forgotten.

00:36:53.000 Oh yeah, that's why that's not working.

00:36:56.000 Little fine points.

00:36:58.000 I had the same thing.

00:37:00.000 I come back from having done that movement in a while.

00:37:02.000 Why isn't this working?

00:37:03.000 Oh yeah.

00:37:04.000 You just forget one small technical aspect of it.

00:37:09.000 It makes a whole difference.

00:37:10.000 Yeah, it's fascinating how much when you look at athleticism and you look at just sheer strength and size, that's all well and good, but it's really fascinating how much actual technique is involved and just subtle variations and changes in that technique make all the difference in the world.

00:37:27.000 And that's something that the layperson doesn't understand and that's something that it's a shame when judges don't understand that.

00:37:35.000 Yeah, and that's the hard part.

00:37:37.000 I mean, some of them I don't think they quite understand the basics.

00:37:42.000 No, they're government workers.

00:37:43.000 They might as well be working for the DMV. They got a gig and they went in and they learned how to, you know, this is a triangle, this is an arm bar, this is a kick, this is a punch.

00:37:50.000 I mean, I don't know how many times I've watched a round and just gone, okay...

00:37:54.000 I want to see the judge that gave that round to that guy and have him explain it to me.

00:38:00.000 I just want to watch.

00:38:01.000 For my own entertainment, I want to hear him explain it.

00:38:05.000 Justify.

00:38:05.000 You should do that.

00:38:07.000 It was one of the ultimate fighters I watched.

00:38:10.000 It was the live one.

00:38:11.000 I remember I went to overtime, and in the overtime, it was two to one for one guy.

00:38:17.000 I'm looking at it going, it was all standing.

00:38:20.000 One guy threw two punches, didn't land one of them.

00:38:23.000 The other guy probably landed five or six punches the whole round, but chased the guy the whole round.

00:38:28.000 And one of the judges actually gave it to the guy that threw two punches in the air and never landed a punch and was running the whole time.

00:38:34.000 I'm like, what fight are you watching?

00:38:38.000 I mean, I was like, you've got to be kidding me.

00:38:41.000 I had on Tebow, I rewound it and went...

00:38:45.000 Okay, I must have watched the round wrong.

00:38:47.000 I wasn't paying attention.

00:38:48.000 I must have missed.

00:38:49.000 Let me see what I missed.

00:38:50.000 Okay, no punches, no landing.

00:38:53.000 How did they pick the referees?

00:38:54.000 They were all guys.

00:38:55.000 A lot of them are from boxing, especially Nevada.

00:38:58.000 Nevada has a lot of Adelaide Birch.

00:39:02.000 Everyone's always giving Dana a hard time about it.

00:39:04.000 It's like, guys, he doesn't pick the referees.

00:39:06.000 It's not up to him.

00:39:08.000 You can't do anything about it.

00:39:09.000 Not only that, as a promoter, you really, you know, you don't get any say whatsoever.

00:39:13.000 You can't.

00:39:14.000 You can't have any, it's like, it's illegal.

00:39:16.000 You can't have any say in who's judging or not judging.

00:39:19.000 You know, that has to be done by the Athletic Commission.

00:39:21.000 No wonder he rips on the refereeing a lot over judging.

00:39:24.000 A lot of it's bad.

00:39:26.000 I feel like the refereeing is, a lot of it is just, it's fucking hard.

00:39:30.000 It's hard to make the right call in the moment, in the heat of the moment.

00:39:33.000 Well, hey, refereeing's a tough job.

00:39:36.000 It's not an easy job.

00:39:38.000 A lot of guys don't do well.

00:39:39.000 But the judging's a disgrace.

00:39:41.000 The judging, in my opinion, is a disgrace.

00:39:43.000 I think people make errors as referees, and that's just a part of being a human being.

00:39:47.000 But I feel like the referees, for the most part, know what the fuck is going on.

00:39:50.000 There's standouts like Big John or Herb Dean who, like, you know they're always going to – Josh Rosenthal, you know they're always going to ref a good fight.

00:39:58.000 And even if they make an error, it's rare and few and far between.

00:40:02.000 But some of these fucking judges, man, you've got to think they're just flipping a coin.

00:40:07.000 They don't know what's happening.

00:40:08.000 There's no way they know what's happening.

00:40:10.000 They're just taking a guess.

00:40:13.000 It's really a shame, man.

00:40:15.000 It really is a shame.

00:40:19.000 When you see guys that are competing in the highest level of the game, and they've trained for six to eight weeks, and they've given every fucking ounce of their soul, and here they are, and they edge it.

00:40:29.000 You think they won.

00:40:30.000 You think they pulled it off.

00:40:32.000 And then, you know, 30-27 for the other guy, and you're like, what the fuck?!

00:40:37.000 Nonsensical score.

00:40:39.000 So you threw away two months of this guy's life.

00:40:41.000 Two months of fucking, you know, eating the right food and getting up in the morning and drinking a gallon of water every six hours.

00:40:49.000 And you threw it all away because you're an incompetent judge.

00:40:52.000 You know, it's not even those ones where it's close.

00:40:55.000 Like, you pulled it out close.

00:40:57.000 I mean, the ones that bother me are the ones that are like, uh...

00:41:02.000 Okay, I'll give you that round was a toss-up, but the rest of the other two rounds?

00:41:07.000 How did he lose the other two rounds?

00:41:10.000 How did he lose them?

00:41:11.000 And someone's got to lose them to all three, and you're like...

00:41:15.000 Fucking crazy, man.

00:41:20.000 You took a long time off.

00:41:22.000 You took like six years off and then came back again in 2010 for one fight.

00:41:26.000 Well, yeah, I came back for that only because I got put in jail.

00:41:30.000 I got put in prison and, you know, it was funny because after I got out of prison, it was on national TV. It was in all the newspapers, magazines.

00:41:37.000 Funny how I start fading out of the media.

00:41:39.000 All of a sudden, I get arrested.

00:41:41.000 I'm like a hot thing in the media again.

00:41:42.000 You know, it's like...

00:41:44.000 That's a shocker.

00:41:45.000 So that's why you fought the media, man.

00:41:48.000 But anyway, you know, when I got out, you know, when I would go to bars and stuff, people would say, oh, some people would say, like, oh, I seen you on TV. And I'm like, fuck.

00:41:57.000 And I'm thinking to myself, is that the one with me handcuffed walking with police?

00:42:00.000 Or was it an old fight?

00:42:02.000 Yeah, I'm like, oh God, I hated that.

00:42:04.000 So I figured the only way to make it up to my fans, let them know that I'm back.

00:42:09.000 We get drug tested in Japan.

00:42:11.000 Marijuana is a big thing now in Japan.

00:42:13.000 We get tested for marijuana.

00:42:14.000 If you have any marijuana in your blood in Japan, you're not going to be able to fight.

00:42:17.000 What did you get arrested for?

00:42:18.000 Marijuana.

00:42:21.000 What happened?

00:42:22.000 Well, I had 16 grams in my car.

00:42:24.000 I had like 20 joints.

00:42:26.000 We were going to have a little party in Roppongi and it was on the way down.

00:42:29.000 And they do a lot of inspections just randomly.

00:42:33.000 They walk around.

00:42:33.000 In Japan, it's kind of unconstitutional where they don't need a reason to search you.

00:42:37.000 They'll come right up to your car and say, I want to check in your car.

00:42:40.000 And it's like, I was stoned and I had a...

00:42:44.000 I had a joint, I mean, a roach on the dashboard.

00:42:48.000 And you know, when you're still and you think you're getting sneaky, but it's like so bad.

00:42:52.000 It's like, ah, what roach?

00:42:55.000 And I'm putting it in my pocket and they're following me the whole time.

00:42:58.000 It's in their pocket.

00:42:59.000 So I put my phone in the pocket, pull it behind my phone.

00:43:02.000 I said, nothing in my pocket.

00:43:03.000 This is behind your phone.

00:43:03.000 I'm like, oh, fuck.

00:43:05.000 I'm fucked.

00:43:06.000 Yeah.

00:43:06.000 So, what is it like?

00:43:09.000 Is it like being caught with cocaine or heroin in America?

00:43:13.000 Yeah, drugs are a drug in Japan.

00:43:14.000 Doesn't matter.

00:43:15.000 We eat anything.

00:43:16.000 I was facing some bad time, you know, because I was a famous figure and they wanted to make an example of me.

00:43:25.000 Wow.

00:43:25.000 What was the worst case scenario?

00:43:27.000 I think it was five years.

00:43:29.000 Oh, fuck.

00:43:30.000 Yeah.

00:43:31.000 So, I was facing that...

00:43:34.000 It all depended on what came up in my house and my gym when they did the search the next day.

00:43:39.000 Wow.

00:43:39.000 And what came up?

00:43:40.000 Nothing.

00:43:41.000 Nothing came up.

00:43:41.000 So that saved you?

00:43:43.000 Yeah.

00:43:43.000 Wow.

00:43:44.000 I was kind of baffled and I think.

00:43:47.000 I was like, shit, nothing came up.

00:43:50.000 Someone stole my fucking weed.

00:43:54.000 Yeah, so nothing came up.

00:43:57.000 It was then the interrogation came to finding out where I got my stuff.

00:44:05.000 In Japan, if you throw everything to a foreign person, they'll drop.

00:44:12.000 They won't want to go find someone in America.

00:44:14.000 I told them I was a student from Guam.

00:44:16.000 Oh.

00:44:18.000 They asked me for a name and I said, Tony.

00:44:21.000 I knew like three Tonys in Guam, so I said, keep it real, Tony.

00:44:26.000 And we had like two days of questioning.

00:44:29.000 I mean, he talked in interrogation for like eight hours straight, just interrogation.

00:44:33.000 And late, like the third day, they said, so happened, caught me off guard, man.

00:44:38.000 And they asked me, what's Tony's last name?

00:44:41.000 And that's freaking ridiculous.

00:44:43.000 The first name that popped in my head was Montana.

00:44:48.000 And right when I said...

00:44:50.000 So right when I said Montana, he was like, oh, fuck, if these guys watch Scarface, man.

00:44:58.000 I was like, I'm screwed, you know, I'm screwed.

00:45:00.000 Because it'll start the interrogation all over if I get caught in a lie.

00:45:03.000 Right, right, right.

00:45:03.000 So I saw him write it down in Japanese, Montana, and then he just jotted it down, and I was like, fuck.

00:45:09.000 Did Scarface get translated into Japanese?

00:45:15.000 I don't know.

00:45:16.000 It's not that popular?

00:45:18.000 I don't think it's that popular there.

00:45:20.000 That's fucking hilarious.

00:45:22.000 Tony Montana gave me my marijuana.

00:45:24.000 That story is worth a trip in.

00:45:29.000 How long was the ordeal from getting arrested to getting cleared?

00:45:34.000 28 days.

00:45:35.000 Which isn't a big deal if you know it's going to be 28 days.

00:45:38.000 But you're sitting there and you don't know what's going to happen to you.

00:45:41.000 And you don't know what's going on in the outside world because you're shut off.

00:45:44.000 And you're wondering if you're going to spend five years.

00:45:47.000 It's kind of...

00:45:48.000 20 days is a long 20 days.

00:45:50.000 Wow.

00:45:51.000 So you went from there and you said, fuck it, I'm going to take on another fight?

00:45:55.000 Well, I went in there and it was good for me, actually.

00:45:59.000 I mean, I always think back and think, okay, I should have done this, I should have done this, if I didn't put the roast in that.

00:46:03.000 And I keep thinking that and I catch myself and think, wait a minute, this is probably one of the best things that happened to you.

00:46:08.000 Because the biggest thing that happened to me in that was I learned how important my freedom was.

00:46:15.000 I mean, everyone takes a grand every day, wake up, but what are you going to do today?

00:46:18.000 And it's like, shit, I got nothing to do.

00:46:20.000 It's freaking overcast, a shitty day.

00:46:23.000 What I'm going to do is like, ah, damn, it's a shitty day, you know?

00:46:26.000 But, man, just the fact that you can choose to stay at home, you can choose to eat McDonald's, or you can choose to just hang out, or you can choose to be bored, you know?

00:46:35.000 Freedom.

00:46:36.000 Freedom's awesome.

00:46:37.000 So it was something that really made me realize how important freedom was.

00:46:40.000 Yeah, a lot of people take it for granted.

00:46:43.000 You know, dealing with a situation like that, especially over something like weed, where it's so nonsensical and crazy, they could take away your freedom for fucking years.

00:46:52.000 Yeah, the thing about that is, I served the time, went to the court, I got three years probation, where I couldn't leave Japan for three years.

00:47:00.000 I didn't even get to go to my grandmother's funeral.

00:47:02.000 And I figured, okay, I gotta be good these three years, and I'm gonna start up again.

00:47:08.000 And then, next thing I know, I get a letter from him.

00:47:11.000 The immigration.

00:47:12.000 Telling me that I just lost my green card because of infringement and I gotta leave Japan.

00:47:18.000 And I'm like, whoa, wait a minute.

00:47:19.000 I've been here for 20 years.

00:47:21.000 My whole life is here.

00:47:22.000 I bought a house there.

00:47:23.000 I got gyms here.

00:47:25.000 I can't leave Japan.

00:47:26.000 So I called them up and they had this real generic answer.

00:47:29.000 Okay, if you're contesting it, you're going to start an investigation.

00:47:32.000 You have to come down to Immigration Center and blah, blah, blah.

00:47:36.000 I went down.

00:47:36.000 It was an eight-month I mean, it was ridiculous.

00:47:40.000 I had to go down there numerous times and just like all day interrogations and it would start from the beginning, the name of your mom and dad, what do they do?

00:47:48.000 I'm like, what the fuck does that have to do in anything, you know?

00:47:51.000 And I'm just going along with the role and it's like the next week I go in for another interrogation, they start all over again, a whole new investigator.

00:47:57.000 I'm like, what the fuck's going on?

00:47:58.000 I just told the other guy, you know?

00:48:00.000 And it got to a point, it was so bad that I got so frustrated in there.

00:48:04.000 As much as I needed to be in Japan, I looked at the guy, I said, you know what?

00:48:07.000 I love Japan.

00:48:08.000 I made this place my home.

00:48:10.000 And if fucking Japan doesn't want me, I don't want to fucking be here.

00:48:13.000 I told him straight up like that.

00:48:14.000 And I said, oh shit, I just screwed myself, man.

00:48:17.000 But I thought, you know, I got so frustrated.

00:48:18.000 I said, you know, I serve my time, man.

00:48:21.000 And I'm trying to do, I'm doing good things for Japan.

00:48:24.000 You guys are going to try and kick me out.

00:48:26.000 If you guys don't want me, you know what?

00:48:27.000 I don't want to fucking be here if they don't want me here, you know?

00:48:30.000 So, you know, the interrogation went on and there was one guy that was a fan of mine.

00:48:35.000 When he was interrogating me.

00:48:36.000 And then he kind of did something illegal where he told me that between these two red markers, he said, look at those two papers.

00:48:43.000 He said, he flipped it open.

00:48:44.000 He said, this is all petitions coming in for you not to get kicked out of Japan.

00:48:49.000 And I saw the papers like this thick.

00:48:50.000 I was like, oh shit, that's a lot.

00:48:52.000 He said, yeah, you got like 4,000 in there already.

00:48:54.000 And the petition in Japan isn't just names.

00:48:56.000 You got to leave your name, your phone number, your address, and everything.

00:48:59.000 You know, so you...

00:49:00.000 It's not a bullshit where you can just get people to sign their names.

00:49:02.000 Just write some fake email address.

00:49:04.000 Yeah, so they're writing this 4,000 and every time we get an integration I see that between those two red markers are getting thicker and thicker.

00:49:11.000 And I come to find at the end it came out to be 9,000.

00:49:15.000 In 8 months, 9,000 people sent in that they don't want me kicked out of Japan.

00:49:20.000 Immigration is there to protect Japan from so-called dangerous foreigners.

00:49:25.000 Their people that they're supposed to be protecting is sending 9,000 letters saying they don't want this guy kicked out.

00:49:31.000 So that was the overwhelming thing that kept you in there?

00:49:34.000 I could have been deborted, yeah.

00:49:35.000 How much press are you getting over there because of all the stuff you're doing for Fukushima victims?

00:49:40.000 Well, my movement in Fukushima isn't...

00:49:43.000 There's a lot of celebrities that went up there just once and had a big media thing and it was just for like, hey look, look what I'm doing.

00:49:51.000 People don't even know.

00:49:52.000 I'm going up on the 24th.

00:49:53.000 The day after I get back from here, I'm driving straight to Fukushima.

00:49:56.000 What is the radiation like there?

00:50:00.000 I went into the zone twice or three times.

00:50:05.000 The zone?

00:50:06.000 Yeah, we call it the zone.

00:50:07.000 It's from where the plants blew up.

00:50:11.000 It's like a 20 kilometer zone.

00:50:13.000 Where the radiation is high.

00:50:14.000 It's actually pretty high all the way through, 30 kilometers out.

00:50:17.000 Wow.

00:50:17.000 But the town that I'm visiting now, where I'm visiting the temporary housing, is about 80 kilometers away.

00:50:22.000 So the radiation is a little higher than usual, but if I'm not living there, it's not a big deal.

00:50:28.000 Chuck, if you want, I can take him.

00:50:29.000 I'll take him home, because I know you wanted to get out of here.

00:50:33.000 Say goodbye to the people.

00:50:34.000 I know you got your kids at home.

00:50:35.000 Thanks for coming by, brother.

00:50:36.000 Very good to see you.

00:50:37.000 Thanks for having me.

00:50:37.000 Anytime.

00:50:38.000 Come on back.

00:50:40.000 Mrs. Chuck Liddell, take care.

00:50:43.000 She's crashed out.

00:50:45.000 Oh, she's out there on the couch.

00:50:47.000 Yeah, grab some coconut waters.

00:50:50.000 So, when you're going there, are you bringing a Geiger counter?

00:50:53.000 How do you know what you're...

00:50:56.000 I have a Geiger counter and a docimeter.

00:50:58.000 Okay, Chuck, I'll see you later, man.

00:50:59.000 Thanks, man.

00:51:01.000 Yeah, I have both.

00:51:02.000 A Geiger counter and what's the other thing?

00:51:03.000 A docimeter.

00:51:04.000 What's a docimeter?

00:51:05.000 A Geiger counter counts exactly what you're getting at that moment.

00:51:09.000 And the docimeter takes the accumulation of what your body is taking in.

00:51:12.000 Wow.

00:51:13.000 Do you take iodine?

00:51:17.000 Yeah, we take potassium tablets, yeah.

00:51:19.000 Iodine, potassium iodine.

00:51:21.000 And that supposedly protects your thyroid, is that what it is?

00:51:24.000 Yeah, just the thyroid, yeah.

00:51:25.000 I mean, for your blood chemistry to change, you have to take in 65,000 microsieverts.

00:51:34.000 And it depends on the win and depends on how long you're in the hot spots.

00:51:39.000 The first time I went in, I took in 25,000, which is pretty bad because you're talking a yearly count.

00:51:47.000 You only want 65,000.

00:51:48.000 After 65,000, it changes your blood chemistry, which could cause cancer.

00:51:52.000 I mean, yeah.

00:51:53.000 So then the second time I went in, how's this?

00:51:56.000 I got 19 microsieverts.

00:51:58.000 As much as you get flying from a trip from Hawaii to New York.

00:52:01.000 That's really?

00:52:01.000 Yeah.

00:52:02.000 I actually did that.

00:52:03.000 I brought the docimeter in the plane.

00:52:06.000 On the plane?

00:52:07.000 Yeah, and it got 19. Yeah, that's a lot of things that people don't realize.

00:52:10.000 You get way more radiation from the plane than you do from those radar detectors.

00:52:14.000 Those metal detectors, rather, when you go in through the airport and everybody's terrified of those.

00:52:17.000 Just the plane itself.

00:52:19.000 We're probably sitting in radiation right now with all the electrical equipment.

00:52:22.000 I mean, that's what people don't realize right now, that there's radiation all over.

00:52:25.000 I mean, the sun gives off radiation.

00:52:27.000 When it hits the concrete and it bounces back off, it's giving off radiation.

00:52:30.000 You're getting radiation in everything you do.

00:52:32.000 I mean, you know, going into Fukushima the second time when I got only 19 microsieverts, it's like getting a chest x-ray.

00:52:39.000 Now, why was it less?

00:52:41.000 Because you spent less time?

00:52:42.000 Were you not as close?

00:52:44.000 Radiation is actually particles of dust, yeah.

00:52:47.000 And it depends on if it rained.

00:52:49.000 When it rains, it drains.

00:52:51.000 It accumulates in a certain area.

00:52:52.000 It depends if you're in that area.

00:52:54.000 I mean, I can stay right here and see zero on the Geiger counter and walk 10 feet and get 200. Yeah, it's like the craziest thing.

00:53:01.000 You don't feel it.

00:53:02.000 You don't see it.

00:53:03.000 You don't smell it.

00:53:04.000 You don't feel nothing.

00:53:05.000 I mean, it's ridiculously scary.

00:53:08.000 And the closer to the ground, the higher the reading, right?

00:53:11.000 I watched a video where a guy took a Geiger counter and was showing the air and then he went all the way down to the ground.

00:53:18.000 If it's stuck on the surfaces, even it could be on glass.

00:53:21.000 Glass?

00:53:21.000 Yeah, there's some radiations that get on glass and you can't even wash it off.

00:53:25.000 You gotta burn the glass.

00:53:26.000 How do you look at nuclear power now?

00:53:28.000 Do you look at it completely different after you've seen that?

00:53:31.000 Well...

00:53:32.000 It's a hard situation because without nuclear power, Japan wouldn't be able to run.

00:53:36.000 Or would be paying out of our asses and electrical bills.

00:53:40.000 I mean, it literally can't run without looking at power.

00:53:44.000 I mean, it's important.

00:53:46.000 I don't know.

00:53:47.000 It's a hard thing, man, because an incident like this, you know, where The tsunamis come in.

00:53:55.000 Something like that hasn't happened in about 100 years in Japan.

00:54:00.000 It's amazing, but 100 years ain't shit.

00:54:03.000 When you think about the geography, when you think about the surface of the Earth, 100 years is barely a blink of an eye.

00:54:10.000 We're so used to what we've seen so far in our lifetime when we take that as like, oh, this is our point of reference.

00:54:17.000 This is what we know.

00:54:18.000 Don't worry about it.

00:54:19.000 It's not going to happen.

00:54:20.000 It hasn't happened in 100 years.

00:54:21.000 That's nothing.

00:54:22.000 That doesn't mean anything.

00:54:23.000 A lot of shit can happen.

00:54:25.000 I mean, Japan has active volcanoes, right?

00:54:27.000 There's a lot of shit that can go on in Japan.

00:54:29.000 There's earthquakes that go about eight or nine times a day, man, in Japan.

00:54:32.000 We're constantly getting earthquakes.

00:54:34.000 But you love it anyway.

00:54:35.000 Well, I love the people, and I love what I've established there.

00:54:40.000 I've been there for 22 years.

00:54:41.000 How many gyms do you have there?

00:54:43.000 I have only one gym now.

00:54:45.000 I actually close two of them.

00:54:46.000 I have a lot of gyms in Guam.

00:54:48.000 I have a big following that's like family.

00:54:55.000 I got brothers out there that I die for tomorrow.

00:55:00.000 A lot of them can't leave Japan.

00:55:03.000 Now, when you first moved there, you moved there for racquetball in what year?

00:55:08.000 It was in 1994. Wow.

00:55:12.000 Yeah.

00:55:12.000 Wait, 22 years.

00:55:13.000 Let's calculate that.

00:55:16.000 Yeah, it was way back.

00:55:17.000 I fought in 1995, so it was four years before that.

00:55:20.000 So 1991, actually.

00:55:21.000 1990, I think, I moved there.

00:55:23.000 Wow.

00:55:24.000 Yeah.

00:55:24.000 So it was for a racquetball tournament.

00:55:26.000 Did you speak Japanese fluently before you moved?

00:55:28.000 No, zero.

00:55:28.000 Wow.

00:55:28.000 I had to learn it with flashcards.

00:55:30.000 Holy shit.

00:55:31.000 Yeah.

00:55:32.000 And writing and everything?

00:55:33.000 Oh, the writing, the kanji, I understand a little bit, but it's not necessary in my life, so I haven't learned it.

00:55:39.000 Really?

00:55:39.000 Yeah.

00:55:39.000 I mean, I teach fighters.

00:55:42.000 Like newspapers and shit?

00:55:43.000 I taught English.

00:55:44.000 Whenever I did anything, I taught.

00:55:45.000 I don't read the newspaper.

00:55:47.000 I can't.

00:55:47.000 There's an English newspaper, so I read that.

00:55:50.000 The most kanji I can write is my name, my address.

00:55:53.000 I can read more than I can write.

00:55:56.000 There's a whole different thing to be able to read it and to actually have to write it.

00:56:00.000 So when you learned how to speak it, did you just learn by talking to people?

00:56:03.000 I just learned flashcards.

00:56:05.000 I learned vocabulary.

00:56:06.000 Just slammed as much vocabulary as I thought I would use.

00:56:09.000 And as far as the particles, I just let it flow.

00:56:12.000 So I was speaking pretty much in just vocabulary.

00:56:16.000 When you communicate in Japan now, do they know?

00:56:19.000 It's like, you know, you hear like Borat talk English and he has a Kazakhstan accent.

00:56:24.000 Do they hear an American accent from your Japanese?

00:56:28.000 Yeah.

00:56:28.000 Really?

00:56:28.000 Yeah.

00:56:28.000 So, I mean, if you hear me speak Japanese, you probably think I'm fluent, but considering I've been here for 20 years, I suck.

00:56:35.000 Really?

00:56:36.000 I'm fluent as far as I can communicate.

00:56:38.000 I have no problem communicating and I never misunderstand anything.

00:56:42.000 I pretty understand everything, but it's not fluent.

00:56:46.000 How much of your communicating over there is English?

00:56:48.000 Do you speak English?

00:56:49.000 No, almost zero.

00:56:50.000 It's all Japanese.

00:56:51.000 How many different fighters are you working with?

00:56:55.000 I know you were working with Kid Yamamoto for a while.

00:56:57.000 Are you still working with him?

00:56:58.000 No.

00:56:59.000 We had a falling on with that.

00:57:01.000 His idea of loyalty is a whole different thing than me.

00:57:07.000 He was a super fucking talented guy at one point in time.

00:57:10.000 Yeah, you know that kid, man?

00:57:11.000 He's a super athlete.

00:57:12.000 And all he needed was something behind him that he felt confident with.

00:57:16.000 Where he would have his confidence.

00:57:17.000 When he has...

00:57:18.000 When Kid has his head on right, man, nobody can beat him.

00:57:22.000 But that guy...

00:57:24.000 That guy can be broken, man.

00:57:26.000 I've seen him break so many times and he needs that something behind him that gives him that little extra confidence that puts him past that barrier, but he doesn't have it now, man.

00:57:36.000 That's too bad because when in his prime he was just a stunning athlete.

00:57:41.000 You're talking about a guy who entered into a kickboxing bout with Masato and dropped him.

00:57:46.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:57:47.000 And he's a wrestler, essentially, you know?

00:57:50.000 And he's fighting K1 against one of the best Japanese kickboxers of all time.

00:57:54.000 He was like that the whole time when he first came in from wrestling.

00:57:56.000 I mean, he's defending jiu-jitsu moves, just being a wrestler, not even understanding jiu-jitsu, just on a natural instinct, which you don't see much in wrestling.

00:58:04.000 You know, wrestling has this bad habit of stretching their arms out, using their arms, and getting locked up a lot.

00:58:08.000 But he was just, so happened, was defending from the armbars, took him to Thailand, he started picking him up in the standing right away.

00:58:15.000 I mean, that guy was natural.

00:58:16.000 It was...

00:58:19.000 I mean, I still think he has it today, but he just doesn't have that confidence.

00:58:23.000 Yeah, when he first fought in the UFC against Kid Yamamoto, or against Demetrius Johnson, and then against Von Lee, I was telling everybody, I was like, man, wait till you see this guy.

00:58:34.000 But then by the time he got into the UFC, he had already lost some of his momentum.

00:58:37.000 He lost some of his fire.

00:58:39.000 You know, the fire that he had when he knocked out Hoyler Gracie, the fire that he had when he was in his prime.

00:58:45.000 Oh, man, he was a bad motherfucker.

00:58:48.000 When he was in his prime, it was like, you know, He was just a freak.

00:58:53.000 Just a real unusual athlete.

00:58:55.000 And I feel I know what's missing in him.

00:58:57.000 If I went and started training with him, I could get him right back.

00:58:59.000 I believe I can get him right back to what he was, but I don't want to deal with the father and I don't want to deal with the loyalty issues that he runs.

00:59:07.000 It's a shallow issue.

00:59:09.000 What is the state of Japanese MMA now?

00:59:11.000 It was gigantic for a while, when Sakuraba was big, when you were huge, when Pride was filling 90,000 seat arenas.

00:59:19.000 Yeah, it was huge.

00:59:20.000 It was like nothing else.

00:59:22.000 I experienced 60,000 at Rogers in Canada when George St. Pierre fought Jake Shields.

00:59:28.000 I couldn't imagine 30 more thousand people there.

00:59:31.000 But you were there for that.

00:59:33.000 Yeah, it was awesome.

00:59:35.000 If that was a 10 and before MMA actually came out when they only had Pancras and that was a 1, it's at like a 4 right now.

00:59:42.000 What happened?

00:59:44.000 It's Yakuza involvement.

00:59:46.000 I mean, the thing that people don't realize is in Japan, everything is Yakuza involvement.

00:59:50.000 Every big company, every big promotion.

00:59:53.000 Shuto tries to say that they never get Yakuza involvement, but they're backed by Sumiyoshi, which is the second largest group in Japan.

00:59:59.000 So everyone has Yakuza connections.

01:00:02.000 Any big Coca-Cola company, Johnson& Johnson, any company has Yakuza connections.

01:00:07.000 But it's not public.

01:00:09.000 So, say if Coca-Cola goes over there and they open up a plant in Japan, they must go through the Yakuza?

01:00:15.000 They'll have back connections, yes, definitely.

01:00:18.000 How do they negotiate that?

01:00:19.000 Well, it's really easy.

01:00:21.000 It's a turf thing.

01:00:23.000 If you know somebody, it's a percentage you pay.

01:00:28.000 It's a pretty given thing.

01:00:30.000 It's almost like taxes.

01:00:32.000 Wow.

01:00:33.000 It's just accepted.

01:00:34.000 Yes, it's accepted.

01:00:35.000 It's accepted.

01:00:35.000 That's why it's funny how when it became public, it got really bad because it's a weird thing.

01:00:43.000 It's accepted, but it's frowned upon.

01:00:46.000 It's something that they know they need to be a part of in society, but they don't want to make it public because the Yakuza does have a bad name.

01:00:54.000 That was the only place where I've ever been where they asked me to cover up my tattoos.

01:00:58.000 Yeah.

01:00:59.000 That was weird.

01:01:00.000 That's why I try to keep them out from my sleeve so it comes out from there, but after that I stop because I don't want to walk around and be kicked out of places.

01:01:08.000 I just got denied to go in a hotel last week when I was in Japan.

01:01:12.000 Really?

01:01:13.000 Yeah, because of my tattoos.

01:01:15.000 With the neck?

01:01:15.000 Is that what it is?

01:01:16.000 Yeah, they sell the neck.

01:01:17.000 So if I wear a hoodie, it covers it up.

01:01:20.000 It helps.

01:01:21.000 Yeah, I got kicked out of a gym.

01:01:23.000 They made me go put a long-sleeve shirt on.

01:01:25.000 Yeah, the gyms.

01:01:26.000 Even big gyms like Goji Gym won't let you in.

01:01:29.000 That's crazy.

01:01:30.000 What does it represent to Japanese?

01:01:32.000 It represents the underworld.

01:01:34.000 Gangsters.

01:01:36.000 You've got to figure, when you have a gang, there's two or three top men.

01:01:41.000 Those men are awesome people.

01:01:43.000 And then you got the rest of the hundreds and thousands that are punks.

01:01:47.000 And that's the ones that you see.

01:01:48.000 So basically a gangster, someone with tattoos, which equals Yakuza, would mean trouble.

01:01:54.000 And if you go into a sports gym and you're working out next to a guy and you're working on, say you take his weights by accident because he's in the middle of a set.

01:02:03.000 And if you're doing it to someone that's a normal person, he'll just say, hey, I was using those weights.

01:02:07.000 Oh, sorry.

01:02:07.000 Okay.

01:02:08.000 But it might be different for the Yakuza.

01:02:10.000 And people would rather not work out in the area if there's a Yakuza guy working out there.

01:02:15.000 It's a bad rap.

01:02:16.000 I mean, it's justifiable, though.

01:02:18.000 I can understand that.

01:02:19.000 The UFC, when they went in and bought Pride, it's kind of a crazy story, but they paid $65 million, they bought Pride, and they thought, you know, hey, we're going to run Pride as well as the UFC. The same way they did with Strikeforce, when they bought Strikeforce.

01:02:33.000 They kept Strikeforce going for years.

01:02:35.000 They thought they were going to do that.

01:02:36.000 But meanwhile...

01:02:38.000 It turned out all of their contracts were illegal.

01:02:40.000 They really didn't have anybody under contract.

01:02:43.000 They spent $65 million and all they really got was a video library.

01:02:47.000 And then while they had offices in Japan and they were hiring these people and paying for them, they were starting up Dream.

01:02:54.000 They were starting up their own organization, organizing everything.

01:02:57.000 And then the UFC, it took years before they could come back and do a UFC there.

01:03:05.000 It took a long time.

01:03:06.000 I heard Dana was getting some underworld threats.

01:03:10.000 Was he?

01:03:10.000 Yeah, that's what I heard.

01:03:12.000 I sent Dana an email on that because if anything, I have a lot of pull in that side.

01:03:16.000 And I told him that if you have any problems with that, I can help you.

01:03:19.000 Well, what do you have to do?

01:03:20.000 Come to you and then you go to them?

01:03:22.000 I get really respected in that world.

01:03:24.000 So if I don't know the person directly, I have guys that know them.

01:03:29.000 So if he had any type of problem, it still stands still today.

01:03:32.000 If Dana has any type of underworld problems there, if he calls me, I'll take care of it for him.

01:03:37.000 It's interesting that there's such an underworld presence in Japan because it seems so safe when you're there.

01:03:42.000 People are so polite and you don't see violence.

01:03:47.000 You see drunk people walking to the street.

01:03:49.000 No one hurts them.

01:03:50.000 Everyone's fine.

01:03:51.000 The girls walk down dark lanes and it's okay.

01:03:54.000 Yeah.

01:03:54.000 It's a strange sort of contrast.

01:03:58.000 Yeah, it's almost like you just have bad areas.

01:04:02.000 Like in Shinjuku, they have over 300 Yakuza offices there.

01:04:06.000 Roppongi only has three.

01:04:07.000 Wow.

01:04:08.000 Yeah, so you got these districts that they're accumulated in.

01:04:12.000 They have offices?

01:04:13.000 They have offices, yeah.

01:04:14.000 The Mafia doesn't have offices.

01:04:16.000 Yeah, see, that's the thing.

01:04:17.000 For me, I guess I grew up in America, so for me, the Mafia just scares me way more.

01:04:22.000 I mean, I have this image that you screw with the Mafia.

01:04:25.000 You better change your name.

01:04:26.000 You better move, and you better hide who your family is, and you better get the hell out of, just disappear.

01:04:30.000 But when you get in trouble with the Yakuza, I've been in trouble with them before, and it's like you can kind of pretty much deal with them the way you want to deal with them.

01:04:40.000 It depends on how much you're willing to sacrifice.

01:04:45.000 What was your issue with them?

01:04:47.000 There was one with Kid.

01:04:50.000 When I, this guy, this Yakuza guy wanted to open up a gym, And I agreed to open up a gym with him called Purebred Tokyo Killer Bee.

01:04:59.000 And I just told him that the only thing you have to do is you have to hire two of my fighters so they can make a living through fighting.

01:05:06.000 And I wanted to help them out.

01:05:07.000 I want no money.

01:05:08.000 You can use my name of my gym, but you have to hire my two fighters.

01:05:11.000 They hired Kid and they hired Ryan Bull.

01:05:14.000 And those two fighters and everything was good.

01:05:16.000 And what happened was Kid started, I guess from the influence of his father, he started being, the loyalty issue on him was getting, was swavering, where he wasn't telling me stuff.

01:05:26.000 He was hiding stuff.

01:05:27.000 He was lying to me.

01:05:28.000 And then I put that Yakuza guy in charge of him that ran the gym.

01:05:32.000 So I told him, I called him and said, what's going on, man?

01:05:35.000 You got to take care of it.

01:05:35.000 He goes, I'll take care of it.

01:05:36.000 I'll take care of it.

01:05:37.000 He's told me that.

01:05:37.000 And it got to a point he didn't take care of it.

01:05:41.000 So I called him and I was pissed already by now.

01:05:43.000 And I called him and said, you know what?

01:05:45.000 Call me.

01:05:46.000 He avoided my calls for three weeks.

01:05:50.000 And I'm sitting there.

01:05:50.000 This guy's running from me.

01:05:52.000 I'm thinking, this is ridiculous.

01:05:54.000 So I'm thinking, okay, this guy's running from me.

01:05:55.000 I'm not going to look for him.

01:05:56.000 He's going to pop up.

01:05:57.000 These guys that try to run, they pop up all the time.

01:06:00.000 So I'm sitting there watching the Uno kid fight.

01:06:03.000 And kid wins the fight, and this guy's in the ring jumping and hugging him.

01:06:06.000 I'm thinking, motherfucker, this guy's hiding from me.

01:06:08.000 He's on national TV, hugging me, saying, hey, Anson, I'm here.

01:06:13.000 So I guess this is it.

01:06:14.000 So I called my students to find out where the after party is.

01:06:17.000 I went out to the after party and I was literally going to walk in there, grab that guy with a hair and pull him out of the party.

01:06:22.000 But my students felt it was going to be a problem.

01:06:25.000 It was going to make too much commotion.

01:06:26.000 Cops are going to be called.

01:06:27.000 So they decided to get him in.

01:06:29.000 They brought him up and brought him to the park.

01:06:31.000 And pretty much beat him for like 20 minutes.

01:06:33.000 Which is something you shouldn't do in Japan.

01:06:35.000 Because in the Yakuza world, they work by face.

01:06:38.000 They work by being tough, being scary.

01:06:40.000 To collect money and stuff.

01:06:41.000 And if you've got a black eye and bruises on their face, it kind of goes against the fact that they're tough people.

01:06:48.000 So I beat him up pretty bad.

01:06:51.000 But see, the thing is, I never did pick on anyone.

01:06:54.000 I never did do anything without a reason.

01:06:56.000 And I believed that I would die for my beliefs tomorrow.

01:06:59.000 And I believed that I was right.

01:07:01.000 And this guy really deserved that shit.

01:07:03.000 So if they didn't like it, if the top guys didn't like it, then they can...

01:07:08.000 They know where to find me and so what happened was it was going on for 20 minutes and when I went down I let people and some people my friends know and they were all worried so they made calls and we had two other Yakuza guys come down to the scene to try and stop me to kind of get in between not stop me physically but to ask for forgiveness for this guy.

01:07:28.000 And they're kind of like bowing in the middle of me and the guy and I'm getting around and just giving him whacks at a time.

01:07:33.000 And if he were to fall from a hit, I'd grab him and stand him right back up.

01:07:38.000 Oh, shit.

01:07:39.000 Yeah, so it was kind of getting brutal.

01:07:40.000 He was all bloody.

01:07:43.000 These guys were kind of my friends too, so they weren't going to get involved, but they were trying to stop me from going too far.

01:07:48.000 And when we...

01:07:50.000 There's this old lady.

01:07:51.000 You know how you have the old ladies in the neighborhood that don't give a fuck who you are?

01:07:54.000 This lady comes on and starts screaming at us.

01:07:56.000 She's making too much noise!

01:07:57.000 And one of the jackals gets on the lady and I say, no, no, hey, man, don't do that, man.

01:08:01.000 Let's go.

01:08:02.000 So we moved over to the next part.

01:08:03.000 And as we're moving over to the next part, like three freaking monkeys, this guy's higher-ups find out what's happening and come out.

01:08:09.000 And they're walking up like these, you know, like the movies.

01:08:12.000 It was funny because I call them monkeys because they're walking through bushes.

01:08:16.000 I saw them walking through the trees.

01:08:18.000 And they came out and I was like, oh shit, these are the guys.

01:08:20.000 These are like the hothead guys.

01:08:22.000 And they came up to me and they were screaming in Japanese to me, oh, we're going to hurt you now because you hurt our brother.

01:08:29.000 And then some of my guys came and held them back.

01:08:31.000 And I was like, okay, wait a minute.

01:08:33.000 If it's going to happen, it's going to happen now.

01:08:36.000 So I told my guys, let them go.

01:08:37.000 I said, let them go.

01:08:38.000 I said, I just want to say one thing to you guys.

01:08:40.000 And they came up, and they're all, you know, they got this stance, and they're all mad at me and looking at me.

01:08:45.000 And I'm looking, I said, I got one thing to do.

01:08:47.000 I got one thing to say.

01:08:48.000 If I say that you don't like it, we can have it out.

01:08:50.000 I said, I'm ready to die tonight.

01:08:51.000 And then this guy goes, okay.

01:08:52.000 And so I tell him, okay, if someone fucked you over, I said, you want to punish him.

01:08:57.000 Wouldn't that be fair?

01:08:58.000 He goes, yes.

01:08:58.000 But look what you did to him.

01:09:00.000 Look at him.

01:09:01.000 He's all bloody.

01:09:01.000 He's standing here all bloody, you know.

01:09:03.000 And I said, well, you know what?

01:09:04.000 Let's put it this way.

01:09:05.000 I'll ask you one question.

01:09:06.000 If I wanted to kill him with my hands, how fast do you think I could do it?

01:09:09.000 He said, probably five minutes.

01:09:11.000 Within five minutes.

01:09:12.000 I said, hell, within two minutes I'd kill that fucker.

01:09:14.000 And he goes, yeah, but what does that mean?

01:09:17.000 And I said, well, I've been hitting him for 20 minutes.

01:09:20.000 I said, dude, this is like 10% of what I could do.

01:09:24.000 And I said, don't you agree?

01:09:26.000 If you had somebody fuck you over and you decide to just do 10% out of respect to the people behind him, wouldn't you think that's fair?

01:09:35.000 And that guy just changed straight up.

01:09:37.000 Boom.

01:09:37.000 Stopped.

01:09:38.000 And he said, you're right, man.

01:09:40.000 Thank you.

01:09:41.000 Wow, that doesn't fly in America.

01:09:42.000 That's an interesting code that they operate on.

01:09:47.000 They believe in the underworld side.

01:09:50.000 There's two sides of the fence.

01:09:51.000 There's the legal side and the illegal side.

01:09:53.000 The illegitimate side.

01:09:55.000 And you are never, ever, if you're on the illegitimate side or you have an illegitimate problem, you are never, ever allowed to go to the other side to get help.

01:10:04.000 If you're going to stay, you're going to get other guys to help you on this side and retaliate, that's fine.

01:10:09.000 But if you ever go to authorities, then you lose face and you never can ever work in that world again.

01:10:16.000 Wow, so you have to deal with things on your own.

01:10:18.000 When it's a problem like that, yeah.

01:10:20.000 You pretty much...

01:10:21.000 If you're someone from the outside and you're like a regular businessman and these guys come and bother you, the best thing to do is go with authorities.

01:10:30.000 Because the police are just waiting to grab the yakuza.

01:10:33.000 So it's like a real...

01:10:35.000 It's like kryptonite to the yakuza.

01:10:36.000 If you say you're going to the police, they'll back off.

01:10:39.000 But if...

01:10:40.000 I live my life in that side pretty much, you know what I mean?

01:10:44.000 A lot of my friends are part of those groups and a lot of my beliefs run really deep with their beliefs.

01:10:51.000 See the thing is, when you hear about the Yakuza, they get a bad rap because you talk about child pornography, drugs, extortion.

01:11:01.000 What is that?

01:11:02.000 When they steal money from people, you know.

01:11:05.000 But the thing that they don't see, that's all the things in the media.

01:11:09.000 But the things that they don't see, which I feel is really unfortunate, is the honor and the loyalty they have for each other.

01:11:15.000 And that's where me and them click really well, you know.

01:11:18.000 I mean, they will die for anyone in their group tomorrow.

01:11:21.000 They'll go to jail for 10 years for their boss tomorrow if they have to.

01:11:26.000 I mean, you don't see that type of loyalty around nowadays, you know.

01:11:29.000 Non-American.

01:11:30.000 I dig that loyalty.

01:11:34.000 I think that's why they respect me so much.

01:11:36.000 I will die for my values.

01:11:38.000 I will die for my people that are close to me.

01:11:40.000 It's just such an unbelievably fascinating culture how different Japan is in so many ways.

01:11:45.000 There's big gaps in it.

01:11:47.000 It's crazy.

01:11:48.000 It's really, really, really fascinating stuff.

01:11:51.000 It's just that all these different cultures evolve independently.

01:11:57.000 The Japanese culture evolved independently from the American culture, independently from the European culture.

01:12:01.000 And it's so different.

01:12:02.000 Yeah, it is.

01:12:03.000 I think all the places are different, man.

01:12:05.000 It's hard to really move into a different country and run yourself in the way that you learned in another country.

01:12:12.000 Because it's...

01:12:13.000 You know, when in Rome...

01:12:15.000 What do you think about the state of Japanese MMA right now?

01:12:19.000 Because it's kind of in a transitionary period.

01:12:21.000 At one point in time, it was gigantic.

01:12:24.000 And you say Yakuza involvement is why...

01:12:26.000 Corporate sponsors backed out and they lost a lot of viewership.

01:12:31.000 But, man, it was not that long ago that they were selling out these gigantic places.

01:12:37.000 What's going on right now?

01:12:39.000 Well, right now, like I said, it's at the number four right now.

01:12:42.000 There's people that are real hesitant.

01:12:43.000 There are not many sponsors that want to put money into it.

01:12:47.000 On the flip side, the big thing that's happening is gangster events.

01:12:51.000 Where they allow gangsters to fight in the ring.

01:12:53.000 And yeah, it's crazy, dude.

01:12:55.000 It's like, I attend all those.

01:12:57.000 I'm like a guest in most of them.

01:12:59.000 They pay me just to be there and to judge sometimes, to make a speech in the ring, maybe in the beginning, because I'm so respected in that world that to have me there A lot of these gangsters tone down.

01:13:09.000 When they want to riot, they don't riot.

01:13:10.000 I mean, you go to an event and it's not unusual to see a picture of two stick figures fighting and have a big X on it.

01:13:18.000 Don't fight!

01:13:19.000 It's like, isn't that given?

01:13:21.000 You never see any signs of the UFC saying, please don't fight in the audience.

01:13:25.000 It's already given.

01:13:26.000 It's not something you should do.

01:13:28.000 But yeah, that's a big thing right now.

01:13:31.000 But it's good because the gangster events actually...

01:13:34.000 They have headbutts, they have elbow striking, you can foot stomp, you can knee the groin, you can do whatever pretty much.

01:13:41.000 No holds barred.

01:13:42.000 They have two on one, they have two on two.

01:13:44.000 Really?

01:13:45.000 It's crazy, dude.

01:13:46.000 How often do they have these fights?

01:13:47.000 They have them about once a month, man.

01:13:49.000 Holy shit.

01:13:50.000 Yeah, and it's like these guys, it's become, it's a good trend because it's become where these guys just came off the streets thinking they're tough, gassing on in one minute from these guys actually spending time in the gym now and being off the street.

01:14:02.000 So it's actually a good movement.

01:14:04.000 A lot of there's about three or four gangsters already now that's actually made their pro debut in deep.

01:14:11.000 So these guys are actually gonna run gangs and start selling drugs and you know doing illegal activity.

01:14:17.000 They're now training and having a future in fighting which is awesome.

01:14:20.000 As far as the legitimate side of MMA, I see it.

01:14:23.000 I can see it picking up again and it's all due to the UFC. So the UFC's done a couple of events there now.

01:14:30.000 Yeah the last one they did when I went to that it was it's huge man that's so big I mean As much as the Japanese fans are kind of losing hope in Japanese MMA because a lot of productions were floating.

01:14:42.000 When I went to the UFC, I felt that energy again.

01:14:48.000 When I was fighting in Pride, that energy that they had in the audience.

01:14:51.000 Especially when Rampage came out with the Pride music.

01:14:54.000 It gave me goosebumps because when he came out to that, I looked around the arena.

01:14:58.000 And I was like, damn, this is just like a pride.

01:15:00.000 This is a pride.

01:15:02.000 And it's the first time since that big incident with the Yakuza movement and pride that I've actually seen that again.

01:15:10.000 It was surreal to me, actually.

01:15:12.000 And I was like, this is gonna be the ticket back, is the UFC coming to Japan.

01:15:17.000 If the UFC did an Ultimate Fighter in Japan, a Japanese version of it, would you be interested in coaching?

01:15:24.000 Oh yeah, definitely.

01:15:26.000 I would love to.

01:15:28.000 That would be perfect.

01:15:29.000 You would really be perfect for something like that.

01:15:32.000 Yeah, I would love that.

01:15:34.000 I hope they do it, because they're starting to do that in other countries now.

01:15:36.000 You saw they did it in Australia, the Smashes, the Brazilian show.

01:15:40.000 I mean, it's natural for it eventually to go to Japan, right?

01:15:43.000 Yeah, it's probably inevitable someday.

01:15:46.000 Wow.

01:15:46.000 So, as far as Japanese standouts, obviously Aoki's probably one of the bigger guys right now, right?

01:15:55.000 And who are the other guys that are coming up that you see?

01:15:59.000 I like Ricky Fukuda.

01:16:01.000 Ricky Fukuda's very good.

01:16:02.000 I'm a little biased on that because I used to train with him, so I'm a little biased on that.

01:16:06.000 Very good wrestling.

01:16:07.000 Yeah, and that guy's still young.

01:16:08.000 He's real hungry.

01:16:09.000 I think he just needs someone in the corner to keep that killer instinct going because he's such a nice guy.

01:16:15.000 And he's an AKA now?

01:16:16.000 Yeah, and he's such a nice guy.

01:16:18.000 I mean, you've got to convince this guy that this guy's going to try and hurt you.

01:16:21.000 You've got to hurt him first, you know?

01:16:23.000 So he has that little teddy bear instead of him that It's got to be ignited.

01:16:27.000 You got to get that on and get the Grizzly on.

01:16:31.000 Yeah, he's going to be a good fighter.

01:16:33.000 What about Hatsu Hioki?

01:16:36.000 Yeah, he's already good.

01:16:38.000 Very good.

01:16:39.000 Yeah, he's awesome.

01:16:39.000 I thought Omigawa was going to do better too, man.

01:16:41.000 Yeah, Omigawa has had some tough breaks.

01:16:45.000 Yeah, he had some bad calls, but the last one he actually did really lose.

01:16:51.000 Yeah, I thought Omigawa was going to do something like that.

01:16:53.000 Well, it's also Omegawa is at the tail end of a long career.

01:16:56.000 Yeah, that's true.

01:16:58.000 How many years do you think a guy can compete at a Fedor level for?

01:17:02.000 I mean, there's only a certain amount of years where your body can kind of redline at those high RPMs and keep it going when you're at top form.

01:17:13.000 It all depends on the fighter, I believe.

01:17:15.000 Like a fighter like me, I think maybe five, six years.

01:17:18.000 A fighter that goes in there training with everything he has and willing to die in the ring.

01:17:25.000 I mean, not accepting the fact that I might die, but fighting with the will to die.

01:17:30.000 It's a whole different thing.

01:17:31.000 But then you got another fighter like Sakuraba.

01:17:34.000 Right.

01:17:34.000 That goes in there and takes the fight in two days and is just having fun and does this weird ass, dumb ass entrance coming in with this riding a scooter and, you know, and actually literally having fun in the fight.

01:17:44.000 Those fighters can go on forever, you know.

01:17:47.000 Yeah, Sakuraba, man.

01:17:49.000 That guy has had some incredible fights.

01:17:51.000 I think that guy's got to retire, though.

01:17:53.000 He's been taking too much hits.

01:17:54.000 The Melvin Manhoof fight was fucking scary.

01:17:57.000 When Melvin Manhoof was beating on him, you're like, man, he doesn't need that at this stage of his life.

01:18:01.000 He's done so much for the sport.

01:18:03.000 I mean, I think he should, you know, don't want to do another Muhammad Ali.

01:18:07.000 Yeah, there's been so many.

01:18:08.000 There's been so many beatdowns that he's had, like, in the later stages of his career.

01:18:12.000 You've got to really look at a guy like that and, like, man...

01:18:16.000 But his ability to absorb punishment is fucking shocking.

01:18:19.000 Yeah.

01:18:19.000 You know?

01:18:20.000 It's unbelievable, man.

01:18:22.000 The one that freaked me out was the Nino Elvis.

01:18:26.000 Yeah, when he got dropped by that, it was weird.

01:18:29.000 That's not the same Sakuraba.

01:18:30.000 I think he's been taking too much hits, yeah.

01:18:33.000 Yeah, well, there's no question.

01:18:34.000 Yeah.

01:18:35.000 I mean, you were honest about yourself.

01:18:36.000 You're like five, six years.

01:18:37.000 Yeah.

01:18:38.000 Your style is so fucking aggressive and wild.

01:18:40.000 It's like...

01:18:41.000 Well, I write letters to everyone that's close to me before every fight.

01:18:46.000 Really?

01:18:47.000 Yeah, and every time I come back alive from the fight, I burn them all.

01:18:51.000 Wow!

01:18:52.000 And so, literally, I'm training, the three months that I'm training for a fight, I'm literally training not to die.

01:19:00.000 And if you knew there was a possibility you were going to die in this certain area, most people would avoid it.

01:19:06.000 But we have to do, I have to walk there on my own will.

01:19:11.000 And the stress level for me, I mean, I wish I could just take it lighter and say it's a sport.

01:19:16.000 I mean, I have to like play, you know, like I had, you know, you ever heard the Tenacious D song, Fuck Me Gently?

01:19:23.000 No.

01:19:24.000 Nagara Fight, if you look at the Nagara ring entrance, after the ring entrance, I put on headphones.

01:19:28.000 That's the song that I was playing.

01:19:31.000 Because it's like a joke song.

01:19:32.000 It makes, it lightens my, like, you're not going to die today, you know.

01:19:37.000 There's going to be a tomorrow.

01:19:38.000 I go into fights, if it's the fights on the 19th, and someone asks me on the 21st, I got a party, can you come?

01:19:44.000 I'm literally, I'm feeling inside, man.

01:19:47.000 If I am at that party, I'm super happy because that means I'm still alive.

01:19:51.000 You know, I'm really, really preparing for death that day, you know.

01:19:55.000 And for me, it's so stressful, man.

01:19:57.000 I mean, I actually didn't feel I could do it anymore.

01:20:01.000 I mean, every time I fought, after I fought win or lose, I always felt like, shit, it's over, I'm alive.

01:20:06.000 Because I was willing to die in the fight.

01:20:11.000 It's a little bit too intense for me.

01:20:13.000 What was the closest you think you came to death in the fight?

01:20:16.000 Igor, probably.

01:20:17.000 That was a crazy fight.

01:20:18.000 It's actually the fight where I thought that I should retire.

01:20:22.000 Not because of the beating, but because I didn't think there was anything else in MMA that would ever teach me to be a stronger man.

01:20:28.000 I didn't once feel that I wanted to give up.

01:20:32.000 I never contemplated giving up at all.

01:20:34.000 Not once.

01:20:36.000 I mean, I had a broken finger, I had a broken jaw, I had a swollen brain, perforated eardrum.

01:20:43.000 And apparently my liver count was like 2,000 times the normal person.

01:20:48.000 You had a swollen brain?

01:20:49.000 Swollen brain, yeah.

01:20:50.000 So they hospitalized me for the first four days because they wanted to CAT scan my brain every day.

01:20:57.000 Because when the swelling's impacting the veins, if there's bleeding, you can't tell.

01:21:03.000 And when the brain goes back to its size and it's not compacted anymore, if there's bleeding, that's when you can tell the bleeding.

01:21:09.000 So they were worried that my brain might be bleeding.

01:21:11.000 There might be bleeding in the brain.

01:21:13.000 Yeah.

01:21:14.000 Whoa.

01:21:14.000 So while this is all going on, how are you feeling?

01:21:19.000 I felt fine.

01:21:20.000 Really?

01:21:20.000 Well, the thing is, if you watch the video of the fight, when I was done, I remember laying down thinking, oh shit.

01:21:29.000 Got over, got through the first, you know, the big 10-minute round, you know, I said, okay, got best at round.

01:21:33.000 Second round, I know I cut him.

01:21:34.000 So I'm thinking, we're going to stand, go start standing again.

01:21:37.000 I'm going to stand toe-to-toe and I'm going to open that cut up.

01:21:40.000 And I remember Egan leaning over to me and looking at me and saying, I'm going to stop the fight.

01:21:45.000 And I was like, whoa.

01:21:46.000 No, no, no.

01:21:47.000 You're not stopping in the fight.

01:21:48.000 And we have a rule that you don't throw a towel.

01:21:50.000 You know the towel that we have?

01:21:52.000 Yeah.

01:21:53.000 In the ring engines, I always throw it into the fans.

01:21:56.000 They give us that towel.

01:21:58.000 I throw it off.

01:21:59.000 And when Egan told me that, I said, shit, I wanted to lay down at least another maybe 10 seconds to kind of recollect and everything.

01:22:06.000 And And he said that I said, oh shit, I gotta get up because Egan's gonna stop the fight.

01:22:10.000 So I started getting up and I remember getting up and walking to the corner but my legs weren't under me.

01:22:18.000 And it was the weirdest feeling because I felt like below my waist was a whole different machine.

01:22:23.000 I mean, I was dragging on me and I was saying, oh shit, my legs.

01:22:28.000 And then when I sat down in the corner, when you see the video, I mean, everyone says, you know, that I'm screaming, no, no, no, because this guy's trying to stop the fight.

01:22:36.000 But we got two minutes between rounds.

01:22:38.000 And he comes in 10 seconds after I sit down and saying, looking at me, saying, I'm going to stop the fight.

01:22:42.000 And I didn't realize how bad I looked, you know.

01:22:44.000 So I was saying, no, no.

01:22:46.000 I'm saying, no, no, meaning that there's two more minutes.

01:22:48.000 Give me two more minutes.

01:22:49.000 Check me after two minutes.

01:22:50.000 And then we give your assessment then.

01:22:52.000 And I'm screaming, no, no, no, no.

01:22:54.000 And they called the fight, you know, and What so happened was that I had a perfect eardrum and I lost my balance.

01:23:02.000 So basically I couldn't, unless I had like two days or three days between the rounds, I probably couldn't have done the second round anyway.

01:23:10.000 So I didn't know that.

01:23:12.000 But the thing that made me really happy about that is when I saw the video on the fight, my heart and my spirit didn't die.

01:23:20.000 As much as punishment I was taking, it was never an issue.

01:23:24.000 Which really made me realize that if I take any more in the beating, I'll probably die.

01:23:29.000 And I think to myself that in MMA, as far as a test in my heart and a strong hands as a man, it's probably not going to go any further than that.

01:23:37.000 So you were thinking that you should retire because you proved to yourself that you were willing to die, literally.

01:23:43.000 Yeah, and I already knew that I wasn't going to be the best in the world.

01:23:46.000 I wasn't interested in grabbing a pride belt.

01:23:49.000 I basically was fighting.

01:23:51.000 If you look at all my fights, when I took fights, it was always when they were at the top of their game.

01:23:54.000 I took Heath Heering when he just beat Erickson.

01:23:57.000 I took Nogueira when he was the top of the world.

01:23:59.000 I took Mark Kerr when he was still considered a specimen.

01:24:04.000 So all these fights that I took was when people were at the top of their game.

01:24:08.000 I took those fights not because I thought I could win.

01:24:11.000 I thought that there was the fights that there's no way I could win.

01:24:14.000 That's the reason why I took those fights because I thought I was going to put myself in somewhere that was going to test my heart.

01:24:20.000 You went to sleep in the Noguera fight.

01:24:22.000 Yes.

01:24:22.000 You got caught in a triangle and you just didn't tap.

01:24:25.000 Yeah.

01:24:25.000 You see, the thing is, this is a thing that people always ask me.

01:24:29.000 They think that not tapping is about being tough and being macho and being someone who can't feel pain.

01:24:37.000 But the truth of the matter is, I have this saying that I always refer to as, a strong man feels no pain, but a man with the samurai spirit, Yamato Damashi, feels pain, but can continue through the pain.

01:24:50.000 When you read the first part, the strong man feels the pain.

01:24:53.000 Oh, that's cool.

01:24:54.000 That's what I want to be.

01:24:55.000 And when you read the second part, it's like, it's not really that real.

01:25:00.000 I mean, but the real man is the one who feels the pain but works through the pain.

01:25:04.000 The strong man fears no opponent, but the man of Yamatomashi fears the opponent and sees it as a challenge and takes it on head-on.

01:25:13.000 That's my belief in my fighting.

01:25:15.000 When I fought, that's what it was all about, you know, facing those fears.

01:25:18.000 You still fought after the Igor fight, though.

01:25:21.000 You fought Heath Herring, then you fought Nogueira, then you fought Nishida, and then you fought Tom Sawyer.

01:25:26.000 Yeah, it was all, you know, it was so funny because it was all a thing of my way of saying goodbye to fighting, you know, because when I fought...

01:25:36.000 Igor, I thought, okay, I could retire today.

01:25:39.000 But I thought, you know, after all MMA has done for me, I want to give him a fight.

01:25:43.000 And so I said, the hearing.

01:25:45.000 And Pride knew I was going to retire after the fight.

01:25:47.000 But they didn't want to give me the mic.

01:25:48.000 And no one knew.

01:25:50.000 No one knew that I was going to retire.

01:25:51.000 And I just grabbed the mic at the end and I said, this is the last of Yama Tlamashi.

01:25:56.000 And everyone freaked out on that.

01:25:57.000 And the reason why I fought Nagara was because when 9-11 happened, I had a friend die in the second tower.

01:26:04.000 And I felt, I really felt that I was being hypocritical because I would look in the, see the special stuff in the TV of the building collapsing and really literally feeling like shit, you know, and pretty much really downing my day.

01:26:18.000 And I can actually switch off the TV and walk to the game center and laugh without a problem with my friends.

01:26:24.000 And I felt like a real prick, you know, like, oh, there's no honor.

01:26:27.000 I mean, if you really feel shitty about what's happening, do something about it, you know?

01:26:31.000 So I thought to myself, what am I going to do?

01:26:32.000 And I felt really shitty every time I had that wave of change.

01:26:35.000 And I was thinking, I got to be freaking real to myself, man.

01:26:38.000 I'm going to lose my honor if I don't take care of this shit.

01:26:40.000 So I thought I'm going to enlist in the army.

01:26:42.000 So I decided I'm going to enlist.

01:26:43.000 And I tried to enlist.

01:26:44.000 I was 36. The cutoff age is 34. And the biggest thing I couldn't get around was the tattoos out of uniform.

01:26:51.000 The head and the palm tattoos.

01:26:54.000 So I couldn't enlist.

01:26:56.000 And my thing was okay.

01:26:58.000 If I'm going to enlist, I didn't know I couldn't enlist.

01:27:00.000 I thought, I'm going to enlist.

01:27:02.000 I want to fight.

01:27:03.000 One more fight.

01:27:04.000 Because I don't know if I'm going to die there.

01:27:05.000 I don't know if I'm going to come back mentally deranged where I'll never be able to fight again.

01:27:09.000 And I figured I wanted to say a farewell fight.

01:27:11.000 And I asked for Vanderlei.

01:27:13.000 And they gave me Vanderlei.

01:27:15.000 It was $200,000 to fight Vanderlei.

01:27:17.000 And I was like, you guys just fucked up.

01:27:20.000 I would've fucked Van Der Le for free.

01:27:22.000 Because that's one guy I figured at the end of my career with a bang.

01:27:25.000 We'd stand toe-to-toe, dust clear, someone's going to be standing.

01:27:28.000 If it's me, fine.

01:27:28.000 If it's Van Der Le, fine.

01:27:30.000 I'm good with it.

01:27:30.000 As long as I threw toe-to-toe to the very end.

01:27:33.000 So it was cool because I was saying, this is awesome.

01:27:36.000 This is like picture perfect.

01:27:37.000 I'm going to fight Van Der Le, I'm going to war.

01:27:38.000 I die there, I'm fine.

01:27:41.000 And all of a sudden, two weeks into the fight, they call me and tell me that they want me to fight Norgara.

01:27:45.000 And I'm like, you know, I got my ass kicked by a lot of heavyweights.

01:27:47.000 You know, I kind of want to fight at my weight now.

01:27:50.000 And I'm not interested in Norgara.

01:27:52.000 He was a pride champion at the time.

01:27:54.000 I thought it was more real for me to fight Vanderlei.

01:27:57.000 I mean, for the weight.

01:27:58.000 Why did they change that?

01:28:00.000 Apparently what I found later was they got tomorrow.

01:28:02.000 So, Tamura wouldn't be able to fight Nagara with a size difference.

01:28:06.000 So, Tamura fought Vanderlei.

01:28:08.000 Yeah, so they figured it was a big draw for Tamura.

01:28:10.000 I mean, Tamura is a huge name in Japan.

01:28:12.000 Pro wrestling?

01:28:13.000 Yeah, from some of the UW and UWF, the pro wrestling.

01:28:17.000 As much as fireworks as the world would have loved Ensign Vanderlei, the Japanese crowd would have loved probably Tamura Vanderlei bigger.

01:28:26.000 Damn, that would have been a crazy fight.

01:28:29.000 You and Vandele would have been a fucking supernova.

01:28:32.000 Yeah, my whole thing about fighting Vandele was to push him backwards.

01:28:36.000 Because every time he gets caught in every one of his fights, and I always notice that he's had such fast recovery that as he's going down, he recovers and shoots for a single or a double.

01:28:45.000 And he'll recover then.

01:28:47.000 But I figured if I even move like Vitor did, if you move Vandele backwards, you hit him going backwards and he falls backwards and you can end the fight.

01:28:55.000 Now, knowing your beliefs and your philosophy of Yamato Dimashii, how did you feel about the fights that were There was some obvious works over there.

01:29:10.000 There was some definite fights where people were paid to lose and paid to win and there was a lot of fuckery going on.

01:29:17.000 Yeah.

01:29:18.000 Did that drive you crazy?

01:29:19.000 Well, it pissed me off.

01:29:20.000 It pissed me off too.

01:29:20.000 I went public on it.

01:29:22.000 Did you?

01:29:22.000 I mean, I had public about Takata Kerr.

01:29:24.000 Takata Komen.

01:29:25.000 Takata Komen was one of the most obvious ones.

01:29:27.000 Yeah, and I went public on that and I tried to be nice about it.

01:29:32.000 I mean, for a fighter who's willing to die in the ring, that's total disrespect.

01:29:36.000 To go into our ring, that we're dripping our real blood and sweat in, and willing to die in, and these guys are pulling works in there, that's totally disrespect.

01:29:45.000 And when he did that, it was such a big thing that the MMA magazines in Japan actually interviewed me about that.

01:29:53.000 Really?

01:29:53.000 And I didn't be blatant and be a dick about it and say, you know, he fought a fake fight, he's a dick, he's a faggot.

01:29:59.000 I just said that the rules that Takara fought and the rules that I fought are two different rules.

01:30:04.000 And I believe the rules that he fought should be in a different ring.

01:30:07.000 So pretty much painting it out that it was a bullshit fight.

01:30:10.000 So I just stated that way and Takara got pissed off at it and he banned all interviews with me and Sakuraba together because Sakuraba was fighting under Takara.

01:30:21.000 And yeah, he was kind of pissed off about it, but you know, he can go suck my eggs because you know what?

01:30:25.000 I'm telling the truth.

01:30:26.000 That's all.

01:30:26.000 Yeah, it was pretty obvious.

01:30:28.000 The Coleman fight was like, it was like pro wrestling.

01:30:31.000 It was so obvious.

01:30:32.000 He was like, almost going to tap, and then like adding drama to it.

01:30:35.000 It was so silly.

01:30:37.000 But he had a few real fights.

01:30:40.000 You know, Takata had a real fight against Hickson.

01:30:42.000 That was a real fight.

01:30:43.000 You could tell, you know, Hickson was...

01:30:45.000 And plus, there was no way Hickson was going to throw a fight.

01:30:48.000 Yeah, no way, no way.

01:30:49.000 Yeah.

01:30:50.000 Did you ever get to roll with Hickson?

01:30:51.000 Yeah, but that was when I was a white belt.

01:30:53.000 Yeah.

01:30:53.000 And of course, he probably would have toyed me when I was a black belt, but he toyed me when I was a white belt and just kind of went through the whole school.

01:30:59.000 You know how he lines over and spars with everybody?

01:31:01.000 Yeah, he did that.

01:31:02.000 Yeah, I've got a video of that, of one of his seminars back when he had the samurai ponytail thing going on.

01:31:09.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:31:09.000 And he just lines everybody up and just taps them over and over.

01:31:13.000 I mean, nobody knew what the fuck they were doing.

01:31:14.000 Everybody was essentially a white belt.

01:31:16.000 Maybe there was like a blue belt in the mix.

01:31:17.000 Mm-hmm.

01:31:18.000 But still, it's so fascinating watching him just Gently toy with everybody.

01:31:23.000 Yeah.

01:31:23.000 You know, just choosing how he's going to catch you.

01:31:26.000 Yeah, that guy was one and only, I believe.

01:31:28.000 He's the one that, for me, I'd go, God damn, I wish he had more fights.

01:31:32.000 He's one of the ones where I would have loved to see him fight.

01:31:35.000 I mean, I had dinner with him many years back when Fedor was on top, and he wanted to fight Fedor.

01:31:41.000 Oh, man.

01:31:42.000 That would have been interesting.

01:31:43.000 Yeah, yeah, very, very.

01:31:46.000 You know, the real question was, could he fade that ground and pound?

01:31:50.000 Yeah.

01:31:50.000 You know, Fedor's ground and pound, like the Noguera fight.

01:31:54.000 It was fucking incredible, man.

01:31:57.000 Especially that first fight where he got him stuffed in the corner by the turnbuckle and was just blasting with shots.

01:32:04.000 And that was when Noguera was at his most durable.

01:32:08.000 Very few other human beings would have been able to take those shots the way Noguera was taking them.

01:32:13.000 But I would have really loved to see Hickson against top-level guys.

01:32:17.000 Just to see if...

01:32:18.000 Because he had this effect on people.

01:32:20.000 When he got a hold of them on the ground, like, you're fucking done.

01:32:24.000 No one was getting up.

01:32:26.000 No one was getting out of mount.

01:32:28.000 No one was hip-escaping and getting back to their feet.

01:32:31.000 There was none of that in Hickson's fights.

01:32:32.000 It was Hickson mounts you, and then he punches you until you give up your back, and then he chokes the shit out of you.

01:32:37.000 That was every fight.

01:32:38.000 Becomes tech book finisher.

01:32:40.000 Yeah.

01:32:40.000 I wanted to see him against higher guys.

01:32:42.000 To this day, he's the one guy that, man, it just really drives me nuts that he's in his 50s now and we missed it.

01:32:48.000 We really missed his opportunity.

01:32:51.000 Yeah, that's the guy that's unreal.

01:32:52.000 It's too bad.

01:32:54.000 Everybody does in jujitsu.

01:32:56.000 The Japan Valley Tudo days, you know, when you saw him, you know, like right after Hoist had made his mark in America, Hickson had made his mark in Japan.

01:33:05.000 Really amazing.

01:33:06.000 That documentary, Choke, if you've never seen it, folks, if you're an MMA fan, ah, it's a classic.

01:33:12.000 Yeah, it is.

01:33:13.000 Really shows you what Hickson's all about.

01:33:16.000 And, you know, a very similar philosophy to you was where, you know, he was willing to die in there as well.

01:33:22.000 And, you know, he was fighting with honor.

01:33:24.000 He would have never thrown a fight.

01:33:26.000 So you saw Takata setting up a fight with Hickson, and you're like, well, he's going to have to fight this one.

01:33:32.000 Yeah, for real, yeah.

01:33:32.000 That's got to be weird, where some of his fights were fake and some of his fights were real.

01:33:36.000 Yeah, that's disrespectful.

01:33:39.000 That guy has no business being in the MMA ring.

01:33:41.000 He won by one a body kick.

01:33:43.000 Who the fuck did he fight?

01:33:45.000 He kicked somebody and it was like, you were watching and going, what is that?

01:33:49.000 Like, just didn't look legit at all.

01:33:52.000 Yeah, that guy, I got no good words for Takato.

01:33:56.000 But he was a big time pro wrestler, right?

01:33:58.000 Yeah, he was a big time pro wrestler.

01:33:59.000 Was he like the rock, like the Japanese version?

01:34:01.000 Yeah, sort of like that, yeah.

01:34:03.000 But, you know, pro wrestling is pro wrestling.

01:34:05.000 But it's big over there, right?

01:34:06.000 Yeah, it's still going on pretty big here in Japan, yeah.

01:34:09.000 A lot of people don't realize that, like, American MMA fighters, sometimes they go over there and take fights, too.

01:34:13.000 Like, I know Tim Sylvia's had MMA. Yeah.

01:34:16.000 He's had, you know, pro wrestling.

01:34:17.000 Josh Barnett's huge over there, right?

01:34:19.000 Yeah.

01:34:19.000 He does a lot of that shit, right?

01:34:20.000 Yeah.

01:34:20.000 Josh is one of those few guys that can do both.

01:34:23.000 Yeah.

01:34:23.000 And does it well.

01:34:24.000 Oh, Sakuraba also.

01:34:26.000 Oh, Bob Sapp is pretty good at it, too.

01:34:28.000 Well, he doesn't do fighting that well, though.

01:34:30.000 Not anymore.

01:34:31.000 As far as, yeah...

01:34:33.000 Josh is unreal.

01:34:34.000 That guy's so funny.

01:34:35.000 He enjoys it.

01:34:36.000 Josh really likes the pro wrestler.

01:34:37.000 I think he's more of a pro wrestler than an MMA fighter.

01:34:39.000 You think so?

01:34:40.000 He's an MMA fighter.

01:34:41.000 I mean, he's a pro wrestler that just is really good at MMA. Yeah, I'm fascinated by Josh's longevity.

01:34:48.000 I mean, you look at him.

01:34:49.000 He's a guy that was the UFC heavyweight champion in...

01:34:54.000 2001, I think it was.

01:34:56.000 And he's still in the mix.

01:34:59.000 2013, still top five heavyweight in the world.

01:35:02.000 Amazing.

01:35:03.000 Hasn't lost a step.

01:35:04.000 I believe that guy can be the best in the world.

01:35:06.000 Yeah.

01:35:07.000 Even at the Strikeforce tournament.

01:35:09.000 Was it a Strikeforce tournament?

01:35:10.000 Yeah.

01:35:10.000 He lost to Cormier, but he broke his hand in the first round.

01:35:13.000 Yeah, I thought Joss hands down.

01:35:15.000 Yeah.

01:35:16.000 Even with Fedor in it, I thought Joss hands down.

01:35:18.000 Really?

01:35:18.000 Yeah, I picked Joss in the beginning.

01:35:20.000 That was another fucking loss to the MMA world when he pissed hot and he couldn't fight Fedor and they closed affliction down.

01:35:27.000 Yeah, that was huge.

01:35:29.000 That would have been a crazy fight, man.

01:35:31.000 Yeah.

01:35:31.000 Josh against Fedor would have been very, very interesting.

01:35:35.000 And that was Fedor in his prime, too, after the Tim Sylvia knockout.

01:35:39.000 It was like everybody was terrified of Fedor.

01:35:41.000 He just looked like a fucking destroyer.

01:35:42.000 Yeah, he was.

01:35:43.000 He was a destroyer.

01:35:44.000 But again, somebody wrote this thing about fighters where you look at fighters from the time they entered into high-level MMA competition to the time they started to fade.

01:35:56.000 And with almost all of them, it's like seven to nine years.

01:36:01.000 Between seven and nine years, you see the transition where it drops off.

01:36:06.000 Not Josh Barnett, man.

01:36:08.000 15 plus years, still at the top of his game.

01:36:13.000 I met that guy in 97 when I was training for...

01:36:16.000 Well, actually, maybe it was 2000-something when I went to Maurice's gym to train.

01:36:23.000 Well, he was fighting in Hawaii when you were living there, right?

01:36:27.000 Yeah.

01:36:27.000 He was like a little fat kid, though.

01:36:29.000 Yeah, he was fat as fuck.

01:36:30.000 He had a big crazy belly, but he was gangster, man.

01:36:33.000 Yeah, he was.

01:36:34.000 Fucking wild.

01:36:35.000 That dude is wild.

01:36:37.000 You know, his trainer, that's another interesting story, Matt Hume.

01:36:42.000 You know, Matt Hume is one of those guys that was a pioneer, was there in the early days.

01:36:47.000 And is still viable and on top of the game today.

01:36:52.000 Still on top of the curve.

01:36:53.000 Trains Demetrius Johnson, the flyweight fighter, world champion.

01:36:57.000 He's training Matt Brown.

01:36:59.000 A lot of top-level guys like Rich Franklin.

01:37:02.000 Spend a lot of time down there training him.

01:37:04.000 Everybody respects him.

01:37:05.000 Being very well-rounded and a great...

01:37:08.000 Gnosis thing.

01:37:10.000 He's one of the few guys that made it all the way through.

01:37:13.000 In the early days, he fought in Shudo, he fought in that Contenders thing.

01:37:18.000 Yeah, that's right.

01:37:21.000 Still on top of it.

01:37:23.000 Still training guys at the highest level today.

01:37:26.000 I think that's fascinating that some guys figure it all out along the line and some guys...

01:37:31.000 Like, whether it's the Lion's Den or whether it's, you know, Militich fighting systems.

01:37:36.000 They sort of, like, disband and move away and step away from the game.

01:37:40.000 Kind of feeds out.

01:37:41.000 Yeah.

01:37:41.000 Whereas AMC Pancration, still on top of shit.

01:37:44.000 Yeah.

01:37:44.000 He's still, like, right...

01:37:45.000 That's a smart guy, man.

01:37:46.000 Very smart guy.

01:37:47.000 Very smart.

01:37:48.000 I love listening to him give advice in the corner because you'll hear like sometimes in the corner like a fighter will have his friends in the corner or it's like you'll hear stupid advice like go kick his ass!

01:38:01.000 Come on kick his ass!

01:38:03.000 You'll hear Matt Hume, like, you gotta check that leg kick.

01:38:05.000 Move to the left.

01:38:06.000 You gotta do this.

01:38:07.000 When he's shooting, when he's shooting, that's when you're punching.

01:38:10.000 When he's, you know, he'll give you, like, real technical shit.

01:38:13.000 You know, you'll see, like, what the guy, applicable to what's going on inside the cage.

01:38:19.000 Like, real point-for-point instruction to deal with his very specific situation that he's facing.

01:38:24.000 That's so rare.

01:38:26.000 When I fought Joe Estes in Japan, Matt was in his corner.

01:38:29.000 And every time I was trying to set something up, Matt would tell him.

01:38:33.000 It was the first time in my career that I ever felt like, shit, the corner man really screwing up my game.

01:38:40.000 Every time I thought of something, wash your arm, wash your arm, and he'd suck it in.

01:38:43.000 I'm like, oh, shit.

01:38:45.000 I couldn't set anything up because Matt was seeing it ahead.

01:38:48.000 And he knew when my hip shifted, what's your left arm?

01:38:51.000 When I did this, what's the turnover?

01:38:53.000 What's the hip throw?

01:38:54.000 He was giving them the heads up one step ahead of time.

01:38:57.000 So huge to have a guy like that in your corner.

01:39:00.000 Yeah, and it's rare.

01:39:00.000 And so huge to have him in your corner in Japan where you could actually hear him.

01:39:04.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:39:05.000 That's what a lot of people don't realize.

01:39:07.000 It's quiet.

01:39:08.000 It's crazy quiet.

01:39:10.000 During these Pride fights, there would be 90,000 people in an arena, and you could hear everyone's corner.

01:39:17.000 Yeah.

01:39:17.000 It was nuts!

01:39:19.000 Yeah, you could hear.

01:39:19.000 That's crazy.

01:39:20.000 So strange.

01:39:21.000 And they're super attentive too.

01:39:23.000 It's not like they're not paying attention either.

01:39:24.000 And clapping when someone passed the guard.

01:39:26.000 You would hear a big group of people clapping and then everyone settle down and be quiet again.

01:39:33.000 Do you miss that respectful approach to the sport?

01:39:39.000 Well, I think it's good and bad too.

01:39:41.000 I mean, the American public where they're screaming like idiots, you know, they're screaming at the every punch thrown when they stop brawling, start booing, you know, I mean, it's that animal atmosphere is also pretty good for the event, you know?

01:39:52.000 I mean, there's a give and take to both.

01:39:54.000 The booing drives me nuts.

01:39:56.000 Yeah, I mean, sometimes it's like they're making awesome transition on the ground.

01:40:02.000 Get a clue, you know?

01:40:04.000 The real problem is people that go there just to see blood or just to see an event, and they don't know what they're seeing.

01:40:10.000 And so everybody knows what's going on.

01:40:13.000 If you and Igor are thrown down in the middle of the cage, everybody knows what's happening, or the middle of the ring, as it were.

01:40:19.000 Everybody knows.

01:40:20.000 You could see that.

01:40:21.000 You go, this is crazy.

01:40:21.000 Someone's going to get knocked the fuck out.

01:40:23.000 But when you're watching some high-level transitions on the ground, if you don't know what they're doing, you're lost.

01:40:29.000 And so people would start booing.

01:40:32.000 That's so disheartening to me.

01:40:35.000 It just drives me nuts.

01:40:37.000 I love the fact that the UFC can fill up these big arenas, but I hate the fact they're filling them up with a certain percentage of douchebags.

01:40:46.000 Yeah, I guess the money is still green.

01:40:48.000 Yeah, but it's like, I wish that the martial arts aspect was respected and appreciated.

01:40:57.000 And I feel like the only way that's ever going to really happen is for a much larger percent of the audience to be martial artists themselves.

01:41:04.000 To be training, and not just to be...

01:41:06.000 Isn't this trend actually happening?

01:41:09.000 I think it's increasing.

01:41:10.000 There's not much drunk idiots just screaming for blood, no.

01:41:13.000 There's definitely less, and it depends on where you are.

01:41:16.000 There's some places where they're super polite, and some places where they just go fucking crazy.

01:41:20.000 Where would be the worst?

01:41:22.000 Brazil is the most vocal, but they're getting a lot better, too.

01:41:29.000 Whereas Brazil, it used to be that foreigners just got booed no matter what.

01:41:34.000 Mike Pyle, for instance.

01:41:35.000 Mike Pyle, he won in Brazil, and he knocked out...

01:41:41.000 I forget who he fought.

01:41:43.000 He knocked it.

01:41:43.000 He's a guy from Ludlow, Massachusetts.

01:41:45.000 He trades out of Team Link.

01:41:47.000 He trains with Gabriel Gonzaga.

01:41:49.000 But Paya was super respectful, didn't do anything wrong, just won.

01:41:53.000 And after he won, he was in the ring, in the cage.

01:41:57.000 I was interviewing him, and the whole crowd is chanting something.

01:42:02.000 So I asked the translator, I'm like, what are they saying?

01:42:05.000 And they're saying, he's a faggot.

01:42:09.000 That's what they were chanting.

01:42:10.000 The whole crowd was calling him a faggot.

01:42:14.000 I'm like, wow!

01:42:16.000 That is crazy!

01:42:18.000 And he didn't do anything wrong.

01:42:19.000 Ricardo Funch, that's who he fought.

01:42:21.000 All he did was win.

01:42:22.000 He stopped him and knocked him out.

01:42:23.000 All he did was win.

01:42:24.000 He called a faggot.

01:42:25.000 Yeah, and Mike Pyle was super...

01:42:28.000 He was, thank you very much.

01:42:29.000 He was bowing to everybody, waving, and everybody was like, fuck you.

01:42:34.000 There were kids, like, 16-year-old little kids, like, fuck you, like, yelling, screaming, giving him the finger, and he stepped out of the cage, and he's like, hey, what can I do?

01:42:42.000 And they're like, get him to the back, get him to the back.

01:42:45.000 The whole place was chanting, you're a faggot.

01:42:49.000 Wow.

01:42:51.000 Brazil's the most vocal.

01:42:53.000 But they lightened up about that, the nationalism.

01:42:58.000 Because I think the first time I was there was only the second event that the UFC had done in Rio in many, many, many years.

01:43:04.000 So it was a big thing to have the UFC there.

01:43:07.000 And they were like super, super nationalistic and charged up.

01:43:10.000 But then after we did two more events in Brazil, they kind of relaxed a little bit on that and would even applaud fighters that showed sportsmanship and won who were foreigners.

01:43:21.000 You know, even if they beat a Brazilian, you know, they, you know, they, they showed, they, they, they clap for people like Rich Franklin.

01:43:27.000 Perfect example.

01:43:28.000 When he beat Vanderlei, they actually clap for Rich Franklin and he tried to address them in Portuguese.

01:43:32.000 He had something that he had prepared and learned.

01:43:35.000 You know, so it was kind of cool.

01:43:36.000 It was cool to see that even though Rich had won and beaten Vanderlei.

01:43:41.000 Yeah, they liked him.

01:43:43.000 They were happy.

01:43:44.000 But I guess, you know, he had also shown like a massive respect of Anderson, you know, when Anderson had beaten him.

01:43:50.000 And, you know, I think a lot of people had a lot of respect for Rich there.

01:43:54.000 But as far as the sound they make, though, no one's louder than Brazil.

01:43:59.000 Yeah, that's what I hear, man.

01:44:00.000 I've been in fights where I had to take my...

01:44:03.000 My ear pieces off and just turn around and listen because I couldn't believe how loud it was.

01:44:09.000 I'm like, this can't be real.

01:44:11.000 So I took the headphones off because the headphones mute most of the shit you hear.

01:44:15.000 But I'm hearing this crazy noise through the microphone.

01:44:18.000 And then I take these off and you hear the volume like, whoa!

01:44:22.000 So I tap Goldberg.

01:44:23.000 I'm like, take your shit off.

01:44:24.000 Take your shit off.

01:44:25.000 And as they were introducing Anderson...

01:44:28.000 You take your headphones off, you look around, like the sound was a roar.

01:44:33.000 Wow.

01:44:34.000 It was just like a jet was going off behind your ears.

01:44:36.000 It was crazy.

01:44:37.000 Oh, really?

01:44:38.000 And they're all pounding on the ground.

01:44:40.000 Anderson!

01:44:41.000 The Spider!

01:44:44.000 Silva!

01:44:47.000 They were going fucking crazy.

01:44:50.000 I've never experienced that before.

01:44:52.000 Yeah, that's what Dana was saying.

01:44:53.000 Louder than anywhere.

01:44:55.000 They are passionate motherfuckers in Brazil, man.

01:44:57.000 That is a passionate country.

01:44:59.000 They get excited for their own.

01:45:02.000 But they relaxed on the foreign hate, which was kind of cool.

01:45:07.000 They're the most loud.

01:45:09.000 But as far as the most polite, England's pretty fucking polite.

01:45:13.000 They're pretty polite in England.

01:45:17.000 They're pretty nationalistic themselves.

01:45:20.000 They're rooting for Bisping and rooting for Brad Pickett and anybody who's fighting that's an English guy.

01:45:26.000 But they're pretty polite in England.

01:45:28.000 You know, I just went to New Zealand last year, the end of last year, and it tripped me out because New Zealand is like 20 years ago America.

01:45:39.000 I couldn't believe it, man.

01:45:41.000 These guys don't know what MMA is.

01:45:44.000 And when I finally explained to one of the immigration officers what it is, he goes, oh, so you beat people for a living.

01:45:51.000 I'm like, oh, that's that animosity you had back in the day when they were saying it was human dogfighting.

01:45:56.000 Yeah.

01:45:56.000 And then you go to, and they're running through the same problems.

01:46:00.000 The Boxing Commission is the one that's interfering.

01:46:02.000 It has so much power to stopping it because they're afraid that MMA is going to take over boxing.

01:46:07.000 And it's like the whole same thing all over again.

01:46:10.000 And the craziest thing about New Zealand is you got these crazy fighters there.

01:46:15.000 I mean, guys that can...

01:46:17.000 Jaws of Stone.

01:46:18.000 They can hit.

01:46:21.000 A country full of Mark Hunts.

01:46:24.000 Oh my god, there's a lot of them.

01:46:25.000 They're big boys and they're all aggro to fight.

01:46:29.000 And I'm wondering, man, how the hell is this country 20 years behind?

01:46:34.000 I mean, I couldn't understand that.

01:46:36.000 Corruption?

01:46:36.000 Is that what it is?

01:46:37.000 I mean, how is New York State still illegal?

01:46:39.000 That drives me nuts.

01:46:41.000 That drives me nuts.

01:46:42.000 And that's all corruption.

01:46:43.000 We know the root of that.

01:46:45.000 It's the Culinary Union.

01:46:46.000 The Culinary Union...

01:46:47.000 They want station casinos to go union, so they're bribing politicians, and politicians are trying their best.

01:46:52.000 That's probably something else happening in New Zealand, too, because damn, I couldn't understand it.

01:46:57.000 I couldn't understand how this country would be so way behind.

01:47:00.000 It's stupid, too, because it's not going to hurt boxing.

01:47:03.000 It's not going to hurt kickboxing.

01:47:04.000 I really feel like there's plenty of room for all the combat sports.

01:47:08.000 I think that there is something to watching a Floyd Bayweather or watching a guy who's a fantastic boxer.

01:47:15.000 And it's always going to be something that people want to watch.

01:47:19.000 And I'm a big fan of high-level kickboxing too.

01:47:22.000 I love K1 and Glory is doing a lot of big shows now too.

01:47:26.000 I love watching that as well.

01:47:28.000 I think there's room for all that shit.

01:47:29.000 I really do.

01:47:30.000 Yeah, there is.

01:47:31.000 They can work together.

01:47:32.000 They can promote each other.

01:47:33.000 And they should start promoting MMA. Don't be stupid.

01:47:36.000 Don't try to fight it off.

01:47:37.000 They're fighting it.

01:47:38.000 You can go into New Zealand and half the people will hate martial artists.

01:47:44.000 Can you believe that?

01:47:45.000 I mean, back in the day, you remember back in the day when MMA was considered ridiculous, barbaric?

01:47:52.000 It's like porn.

01:47:52.000 I mean, like, way back.

01:47:53.000 Yeah.

01:47:54.000 When I first started doing post-fight interviews, it was like 97, and I was on the TV show Newsradio, and I would tell people I was going to fly to Dothan, Alabama, to go work at an Ultimate Fighting Championship event.

01:48:08.000 They're like, why are you doing this to yourself?

01:48:10.000 Like, what are you doing to your career, your reputation?

01:48:13.000 It was like I was gonna go do some porn.

01:48:15.000 Like, yeah, I'm gonna go fucking film some porno films.

01:48:19.000 Like, what the fuck are you doing?

01:48:20.000 Like, why are you getting involved in cage fighting?

01:48:23.000 And I was like, well, I think someday it's going to be bigger than football.

01:48:26.000 They're like, you're out of your fucking mind.

01:48:28.000 I'm like, well, all right.

01:48:30.000 The day's here, man.

01:48:31.000 It's crazy!

01:48:31.000 I know.

01:48:32.000 Nobody would have ever thought it.

01:48:33.000 Nobody would have ever thought back then that it would happen so fast.

01:48:38.000 I know.

01:48:38.000 Yeah.

01:48:39.000 It's got to be a trip for you to have been there in the dawn and to see it now.

01:48:43.000 I mean, it...

01:48:45.000 Makes me happy, man.

01:48:46.000 Because mixed martial art has made me who I am today.

01:48:49.000 Everything that I have, the reputation that I have, the people I know, is all due to that.

01:48:53.000 And just to see how big it's become.

01:48:56.000 I mean, I don't even have this envious thing where I wish I was fighting this time with more money.

01:49:01.000 I'm really happy with what I did and where I was and the opportunities I had.

01:49:05.000 And I just, you know, as much as some people like to rip on Dana, man, I got nothing but good words to say because it's what he's done for the sport, you know what I mean?

01:49:14.000 Yeah, the people that rip on him either don't know him or they've got some business issues with him.

01:49:19.000 Must be, yeah.

01:49:19.000 I love that dude.

01:49:21.000 He's straight up, too.

01:49:22.000 I like the way you and him are straight up.

01:49:24.000 And if you don't like the guy, you don't like the guy.

01:49:26.000 No bullshit in that.

01:49:27.000 That's the only way to be.

01:49:29.000 Especially in this business.

01:49:30.000 This is the realest business ever.

01:49:32.000 This is the realest sport of all time.

01:49:35.000 It's sport broken down to, I mean, more so even than boxing, broken down to its rawest element acceptable by society.

01:49:43.000 What is real sport?

01:49:45.000 It's man dominating another man with discipline, focus, technique, will, intelligence, and heart.

01:49:51.000 That is all sports.

01:49:52.000 That's the root in what people admire in all sports.

01:49:55.000 But MMA embodies that.

01:49:57.000 It's the purest form of sport.

01:49:59.000 If you say you love sports but you don't like MMA, you don't really love sports.

01:50:04.000 You don't know what sports really are because every man in a fucking football uniform running into other men wants to beat those guys' asses.

01:50:12.000 Every time a guy slam dunks a ball on a guy's face, he really wants to beat that dude's ass.

01:50:16.000 You want to win.

01:50:18.000 You want to win when it's most important.

01:50:21.000 That's the most important thing.

01:50:22.000 The incredible thing I like about MMA is that fighter has to do everything.

01:50:27.000 You've got a quarterback, you've got a center, you've got linebackers, you've got wide receivers.

01:50:31.000 You've got everyone that has A certain job in the whole sport.

01:50:35.000 But I don't have...

01:50:37.000 Okay, I'll do the ground.

01:50:38.000 And I'll get Rampage to do my standing.

01:50:41.000 And I'll get maybe Chuck to do my wrestling.

01:50:44.000 You know what I mean?

01:50:44.000 You can't do that.

01:50:45.000 You can't tag off and say, hey, oh, okay, offensive time.

01:50:48.000 Come in, get the strikers in.

01:50:51.000 I mean, you're in there and you've got to learn how to be the quarterback.

01:50:55.000 You've got to learn how to be the center.

01:50:56.000 You've got to learn how to make blocks.

01:50:57.000 You've got to learn how to catch the ball.

01:50:59.000 I always thought it was weird when you heard trainers say, we.

01:51:03.000 We want to win this first round.

01:51:04.000 We want to go out there and do this.

01:51:07.000 What we worked on in the gym is this.

01:51:10.000 There's not really a lot of we going on here.

01:51:12.000 It's fucking that guy.

01:51:14.000 It's him.

01:51:14.000 You really shouldn't be saying we.

01:51:17.000 We trained him to do this.

01:51:19.000 We showed him that.

01:51:21.000 He's been working hard in the gym.

01:51:23.000 We've been pushing him.

01:51:25.000 But when it's in the cage, we want to win this first round.

01:51:28.000 No, no, no.

01:51:28.000 He's going to win that first round.

01:51:29.000 You really don't have anything to do with it.

01:51:32.000 We hope to prepare, but he's going to fight the fight.

01:51:35.000 If you don't have the mind for it, that is really where it all boils down.

01:51:42.000 The mindset and the ability to overcome obstacles, so much of it is mental.

01:51:49.000 So much of deciding the right things to do.

01:51:53.000 And when you were talking about seeing guys break and knowing that guys are breaking, How many times have you seen guys give up a choke?

01:52:00.000 You know they know how to get out of that, but they tap.

01:52:05.000 You know that they're just looking for a way out of the pressure of the moment.

01:52:09.000 Well, you know, when you really think about it, have you ever questioned why people tap?

01:52:14.000 Yeah.

01:52:15.000 It's not because of the pain.

01:52:17.000 It's because of the anticipation of what they think is going to happen to them.

01:52:20.000 That's what it is.

01:52:22.000 Rarely do you have a guy like Noguera or Hanzo or Misha Tate who gets her arm broke and then taps.

01:52:29.000 These people, I see a lot of guys tapping out to arm bars and waving to their friends, shaking their hands after with the same arm.

01:52:37.000 I see people tap out to chokes and go out drinking that night.

01:52:41.000 I mean, it's anticipation.

01:52:43.000 It's basically what it is.

01:52:44.000 Tapping out is basically a mind focus.

01:52:47.000 If you're focusing on getting out, you're focusing on hurting the guy before he hurts you.

01:52:50.000 And you're not focusing on, oh shit, my arm's going to get broken.

01:52:55.000 It's going to be all fucked up tomorrow.

01:52:56.000 Oh, I hear a ligament pop.

01:52:58.000 Oh shit, I'm going to be fucked up tomorrow.

01:52:59.000 I better tap.

01:53:00.000 It's anticipation.

01:53:01.000 And when you really put it black and white, man, it's kind of funny because that's what it is.

01:53:07.000 It's The faster the person taps, the earlier he was broke.

01:53:11.000 And once you break it, you're anticipating what you think is going to happen to you.

01:53:15.000 That's what it is.

01:53:16.000 Yeah, I had Jimmy Smith on the podcast earlier today.

01:53:19.000 We were talking about...

01:53:20.000 He's the guy who does the commentary for Bellator.

01:53:22.000 And we were talking about when Jacare fought Hadra Gracie.

01:53:25.000 And got his arm broken and then tucked it into his belt and defended for the last minute with a fucking broken arm so that he could win on points.

01:53:35.000 That's awesome.

01:53:35.000 This dude let him break his arm.

01:53:37.000 He knew he was getting out.

01:53:38.000 He's like, but I'm not tapping.

01:53:40.000 And Hadra broke his arm and he just tucked that shit right in his belt and just started fighting with the other arm.

01:53:46.000 And did he win that fight?

01:53:47.000 Yeah, he won that fight.

01:53:48.000 Oh, really?

01:53:48.000 Yeah, he won that fight with a broken arm.

01:53:50.000 Which is, you know, Tim Sylvia when Frank Mir broke his arm.

01:53:54.000 You know, Tim Sylvia was trying to...

01:53:56.000 He was making sure that he didn't stop the fight.

01:53:58.000 He was telling Herb Dean, do not stop this fight.

01:54:00.000 Let me keep fighting.

01:54:01.000 His forearm just got snapped.

01:54:03.000 Yeah, this bone broke out.

01:54:04.000 It snapped.

01:54:05.000 And he was like, you know, whatever.

01:54:07.000 I'm fucking...

01:54:08.000 I'm going to hit him with the other hand.

01:54:09.000 Let me back in there.

01:54:10.000 That's all about focus, I think.

01:54:12.000 That's about focusing on what you want to do.

01:54:14.000 What are you focused on when you're in there?

01:54:15.000 Are you focused on losing?

01:54:17.000 Are you focused on getting out of there without being injured?

01:54:20.000 Or are you focused on finding a way to win no matter what?

01:54:23.000 Yeah, that's a thing.

01:54:25.000 That's a big thing.

01:54:26.000 One of the most impressive fights that I ever saw, where a guy lost the fight, but I'm like, damn, this motherfucker is trying to win this fight, was when Uriah Faber broke both his hands on Mike Brown.

01:54:40.000 He had no hands.

01:54:41.000 By the second round, he broke both his hands.

01:54:45.000 He broke his thumb on one hand, he broke his knuckles on the other hand.

01:54:48.000 So he couldn't punch with either hand.

01:54:50.000 So he's throwing elbows and he's throwing kicks, and he did it for five fucking rounds.

01:54:55.000 Oh, really?

01:54:55.000 Yeah, he, like, couldn't do anything.

01:54:57.000 He couldn't grab a hold of him, couldn't hold on to him, couldn't grapple, couldn't, you know, all he could do was try to throw elbows and try to take him out with kicks.

01:55:06.000 Mm-hmm.

01:55:06.000 But he still never complained and went in there and tried to win every minute of every round.

01:55:12.000 Just with whatever he had left.

01:55:15.000 I'm a big fan of that.

01:55:17.000 And every now and then a guy will pull that shit off like Rich Franklin.

01:55:20.000 When he knocked out Chuck, Chuck broke his arm.

01:55:22.000 And Rich had a broken arm and he punched Chuck with a broken arm.

01:55:26.000 Really?

01:55:27.000 Yeah.

01:55:29.000 There's moments like that where guys, even in the face of that kind of an injury, figure out a way to pull it off.

01:55:36.000 Those are special moments, man.

01:55:38.000 Yeah, that's what MMA is about, man.

01:55:42.000 That is what MMA is about.

01:55:44.000 Listen, man, it is late at night here.

01:55:46.000 I know you probably want to get some sleep.

01:55:47.000 It's 2.17 in the morning.

01:55:49.000 I want to thank you very much for doing this, man.

01:55:51.000 Thank you for all the fucking great fights that I've watched you compete in over the years from...

01:55:58.000 From being there live and seeing you on board, Roy Salger, to watching the Randy Couture fight, to all those crazy fights on Pride, man.

01:56:06.000 It was a pleasure.

01:56:08.000 And having you on this podcast was a blast, man.

01:56:09.000 Well, thank you for enjoying them, man.

01:56:10.000 It makes me stoked, man.

01:56:12.000 And thanks for all the people that asked for this and helped pull this podcast off, man, because it was a big one for me, too.

01:56:18.000 I really appreciate you doing that.

01:56:19.000 Oh, thank you.

01:56:20.000 And follow Ensign on Twitter.

01:56:22.000 Ensign Inoue on Twitter.

01:56:24.000 That's I-N-O-U-E on Twitter.

01:56:27.000 Do you have a website?

01:56:30.000 I have a bracelet website.

01:56:32.000 It's destinyforward.com.

01:56:34.000 But basically, if you want to follow me, Facebook.

01:56:37.000 Facebook.

01:56:37.000 Ensign Inoue on Facebook?

01:56:39.000 Yeah, I have a fan page on Facebook.

01:56:40.000 Beautiful.

01:56:41.000 All right.

01:56:41.000 Thank you, sir.

01:56:42.000 Appreciate it, man.

01:56:43.000 And I'm going to go drive you to Chuck's house.

01:56:44.000 Okay, sure.

01:56:45.000 And thanks to Onnit.com for sponsoring the podcast as well.

01:56:48.000 Go to O-N-N-I-T. Use the code name Rogan and save 10% off any and all supplements.

01:56:55.000 We will be back tomorrow with David Cho, who is the dude who was the artist for Facebook who decided to take stock options instead of getting paid.

01:57:05.000 And now he's worth like $100 million or something fucking crazy.

01:57:09.000 Whoa.

01:57:09.000 So he's going to be on tomorrow with our pal Yoshi.

01:57:12.000 So that should be a good time.

01:57:13.000 And thank you, brother.

01:57:15.000 We appreciate it.

01:57:15.000 All right, thank you, man.

01:57:16.000 All right, you fucks, go to sleep.

01:57:18.000 It's 2.30 in the morning.

01:57:19.000 It's over.

01:57:21.000 Oh, it's 2.30.

01:57:22.000 Yeah, it is.

01:57:23.000 Holy shit.

The Joe Rogan Experience - January 22, 2013

Joe Rogan Experience #316 - Enson Inoue, Chuck Lidell

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