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00:06:44.000We started off in the usual state of confusion, but really mostly down the street, bicycle distance.
00:06:50.000Good question, because it is only bicycle distance in Pasadena.
00:06:54.000And coming out of high school, you know, it was time, you know, you're playing backyard parties and the occasional wedding and whatnot, because you're not quite old enough to play in the bars.
00:07:06.000And when Van Halen was playing in the bars around here, nobody had any money for a sound system.
00:07:13.000When you see some big boom speakers, you know, in the corners, and there's a guy with a, you know, he's got his own, well, now you can take your iPod and plug it in.
00:07:21.000But, you know, a couple of turntables and some people with some cool headgear.
00:09:02.000There's a lot of great bands came from California.
00:09:05.000It's funny how you see states and some states as great bands will blossom out of.
00:09:10.000And then you see there's a ton of states where you hardly ever see any bands come from.
00:09:14.000I'm gonna wonder if it's because of where showbiz is located because the opportunities are always here whether you're trying to play television or get into the movies singing and dancing in the background or you want to be in rock and roll you know well you got to be discovered by the record company you know for 20,
00:09:36.00030, 40 years it was that now maybe it's another method maybe now you email back and forth and You know, you're intercepted somehow.
00:09:46.000Yeah, now probably there's a novelty to not being from Hollywood.
00:09:49.000There's probably a novelty, like, these bodies are badass and they live in South Dakota.
00:10:34.000Well, like all the best wandering stories, it started out a bit unexpectedly.
00:10:41.000We were going to play in the Van Halen band, and Ed took sick, and we had to postpone everything.
00:10:50.000And I was already going to show up a month or two early, kind of get my feet wet, see what it's like being there as opposed to just visiting.
00:10:58.000If you go for a week or two or three, okay, you know, you can eat pretty much whatever you want and you don't really have a legit schedule that you're keeping every day.
00:11:08.000You're probably not shopping for yourself.
00:11:09.000You're probably not cooking for yourself and that kind of thing.
00:13:05.000And then I always wanted to, you know, just being around the martial arts, you know, you always think someday, wow, if I'm on Kung Fu, then someday I'm going to go to the temple.
00:13:19.000Someday if I'm in professional wrestling, then I'm going to go to Vince McMahon's place and I'm going to train and I'm going to be called Diamond Somebody and I'll do that.
00:13:33.000And if I throw the ball, I'm going to go to the NFL. So your idea was just like, fuck it, I'm just going to live in Japan for a while.
00:13:39.000Yeah, I've always wanted to go to Japan and train with that sword and learn it from the real guys, the real people.
00:13:46.000So was the idea that you guys were going to do an extended tour in Japan?
00:14:21.000And what you're going to see through the window is, come on, think if you were going to be in the Olympics, And you had two weeks to do it.
00:14:31.000Would you be going out to eat at night?
00:15:16.000You know, I grew up around National Geographic magazines, you know, where there's the guy sitting in the back of the boat, you know, and he's going around the world and he can reach everything.
00:15:27.000It's like at the desk right here, like Brian and everybody.
00:15:30.000You know, everybody's surrounded by gear and stuff and you only have to kind of stretch a little bit to reach everything.
00:16:26.000Well, that's part of the reason I'm there, is I train in kinjutsu.
00:16:29.000I do the long sword, the katana, you know, the samurai sword, and I have a teacher there that I go to three times a week, and I got to do the homework, and it's, you know, I've worked my way up to that.
00:16:42.000At the end of the last Van Halen tour, I was in the shape of my life, or as best a shape as my old life will now allow, And I said, wow, I can keep up with pretty much anybody at this point.
00:18:26.000And I am super consumed with that everywhere I go.
00:18:33.000The only rationalization that I can use, and I do use the rationalization, is that I gave up a lot of my personal rights, just me, Dave Roth, personal rights, to complain about 1,200,000 Marlboro cigarettes I go.
00:18:48.000In that about 780,000 gallons of Schlitz malt liquor, the bowl that came in the tall can.
00:21:08.000The idea behind it is it gives you all the nicotine.
00:21:12.000But you're not smoking any burning chemicals.
00:21:16.000It's like a vaporizer that delivers nicotine.
00:21:20.000Okay, well I'm not going to make fun of nicotine because if you look back in all of our favorite authors and all of our favorite jazz musicians and...
00:21:52.000I forget what intellectual, very famous guy, Englishman, he wouldn't fly unless he could get a seat in the back so he could smoke his pipe.
00:22:02.000That was back in the day when you were allowed to smoke on cigarettes?
00:22:07.000I'm going to wonder what the main connection is.
00:22:11.000There's a big connection between nicotine and people who are the real cerebral players of our culture.
00:22:23.000The real issue with nicotine is the delivery method.
00:22:26.000Where it's really toxic is in all the different chemicals that our lovely government has allowed cigarette companies to put into these fucking things to make them more addictive.
00:22:36.000That was the Russell Crowe movie, Insider.
00:22:48.000Your addiction to cigarettes is so intense and so extreme because they've allowed the cigarette companies to engineer their cigarettes to have the maximum amount of addiction.
00:22:59.000It plays on several key factors in your biological system.
00:23:04.000And it was all detailed in this movie.
00:26:18.000When somebody says they're a Dave Roth fan or a Van Halen fan more appropriately, it says a lot about your sense of humor and your fighting spirit.
00:27:55.000Just shopping for dental floss is a whole different experience.
00:27:59.000And the way that you approach people back and forth, the respect issue, even though it may just be sugarcoating a really sharp New York City sense of business and purpose underneath all of the old-fashioned and so forth is...
00:30:40.000Where everybody's kind of mixing and matching, you know, 15 different styles of, you know, one person, you know, outer space meets surf 1970s times Ninja Warrior times Dreadlock Holiday meets,
00:30:57.000you know, they go on and on because they don't have neighborhoods.
00:31:00.000They're just picking and choosing from different stores, from different websites.
00:31:07.000They don't have neighborhoods like here we have, say, North Hollywood for the artists.
00:31:12.000You have Silver Lake for if you're an artist or whatever.
00:31:17.000Up and coming student in some sense of the word.
00:31:21.000You'll stand down near USC or whatever.
00:32:11.000It's almost kind of a hermit-like existence in a certain sense.
00:32:15.000You can't have it be that very, very easily.
00:32:19.000I like it because I'm in constant contact with people.
00:32:22.000I do class with a variety of different teachers, and out of that comes my friends, and this is where we're going to go tonight, and why don't you come visit over here, etc.
00:32:36.000That being said, conversation with folks is as fast as you can learn it from their language teacher.
00:46:16.000One guy takes it and he throws it, but he doesn't look.
00:46:20.000It's kind of like a way of saying, screw you, to the other wrestler like that, which you're not supposed to do.
00:46:25.000There's another guy who takes a whole scoop full of salt in his hand, and he throws it up in the air, and he stares up into it like Walt Disney, staring into the future, kind of a thing that he does.
00:46:40.000And then there's another cat who takes two little pinches, he throws it, walks away, and takes another, and he throws it.
00:46:46.000And then he throws the whole fucking box!
00:46:52.000And that's like almost about two pounds of salt.
00:46:56.000And the referees act really angry and they get really pissed.
00:47:00.000And the audience is full of ecstatic glee, you know, because he broke the rules, you know.
00:47:50.000He learned all of his agility, you know, moving side to side, lateral movement, responding to a coach's, you know, cue and, you know, learning plays, how to work with a team, etc., etc.
00:48:03.000So, you know, when he stepped into the ring, so to speak, he was using football on these guys.
00:48:09.000And he didn't even use the basic where you put both hands on the ground.
00:49:08.000If he doesn't have two hands touching the ground, what does he do?
00:49:12.000Like a defensive tackle or a guard where you just kind of get down low and you get your wrist on one knee and the middle of your forearm on the other like you're going to come up under with that shoulder.
00:51:30.000Only people yelling, I would like look back to see who was yelling, because there was like only a couple, and you would see, oh, it's just US military dudes.
00:55:00.000On a good night, if you get everybody kind of humming and bubbling and well-fed and watered, then pretty much anything you say can be, yeah, it's a little bit funny.
00:55:12.000And every now and then, I hit a moment when I'm just...
00:57:42.000But that's got to be a really weird feeling to see them have this great success with Sammy Hagar, go out into the world, continue touring, and then that doesn't work out, or they stop that, and then this other guy, and they stop that, and then all of a sudden you're on fucking stage again.
00:58:36.000Together, you guys were like this crazy mixture of all the right ingredients, you know?
00:58:43.000Those ingredients are from right around the corner.
00:58:45.000We started talking about, you know, I was in the busing program, which was all black and Spanish-speaking classes for junior high, high school, and more importantly, the youth club dance every Friday night, or one Friday per month,
00:59:01.000and all the celebration, you know, the homecoming class dance, etc., for me and my sisters was all black and Spanish-speaking.
00:59:12.000When we got graduation, they played Santana on a loop, Samba Patti, over and over.
00:59:26.000The Van Halens went to a school, Pasadena High School, which was walking distance from me, but I had to get on that bus.
01:01:10.000My sister's boyfriend had Van Halen as his license plate.
01:01:13.000I forget how he had it to bring it down to the right number, like V-N-H-Y-L-E-N. I don't know how he did it, but everybody was a huge Van Halen freak in my high school.
01:01:23.000They were always writing those V-H with all the little...
01:02:25.000What was it like to be a superstar before the internet, too?
01:02:29.000Well, that's an interesting case because probably the biggest prayer before you go on stage these days would be...
01:02:39.000God grant us the powers and the drive and the focus that compelled those before us who did all of this before there was a microphone, before there was a camera taking a picture of what we do.
01:03:01.000Yeah, candles and no PA system, right?
01:03:04.000And not so long ago, during Uncle Manny's life, he's still with us, and I'm sure, you know, back in the 1920s and 1930s, you know, they didn't have microphones and stuff.
01:03:14.000They didn't have guitar amps, etc., etc.
01:03:18.000That's what a lot of folks don't understand about the phrase upstage, when you say stand upstage of them.
01:03:25.000That means modern stages are flat, but they used to ramp up and you used to have to project out into the audience because you weren't wearing a microphone.
01:03:36.000Everybody had to be super quiet and the actor had to talk like this so the whole house could hear them.
01:03:43.000And that's where that fake style of acting came from.
01:03:46.000You had to over-project or no one could understand you.
01:03:50.000The upside of not having PA systems, you caused me to remember some good story, is you've heard the term barrel house voice?
01:04:34.000Yeah, you must be proud of that, coming up through these little clubs and making your way that way, you know, and having these stories about back in the day when you had no stage and No PA system.
01:05:10.000I don't recollect if this was one of my sell jobs.
01:05:13.000There were some things that I had to sell to the band, but they were aware that this was part of it.
01:05:22.000Their father was a traveling professional musician as well, so they'd grown up seeing photos of him.
01:05:27.000In a steamship, you know, with a porthole, the circular porthole in the background and he's having a drink and he's sitting at the piano, you know.
01:05:38.000I had grown up seeing, for example, pictures of my pop in the Air Force, you know, with What is that in the background?
01:05:48.000So when you grow up with that kind of a thing, then you sort of know the story.
01:05:55.000The story is you got to start off in the beer bars.
01:05:57.000You got to start off in the basements or whatever.
01:06:00.000One of the best was right around the corner from here on Van Nuys was the Van Nuys Cruise.
01:06:07.000And throughout the 70s, and I'm going to say at least half of the 60s, the cruise was probably four miles long, and it would take you over an hour to get from one end of it to the other, okay?
01:06:21.000And all the bike clubs would park where the gas stations were closed, okay?
01:06:52.000He owned the bar at the time, and his mother, and they were both in a bike club.
01:06:59.000This was a biker's bar, and it was where they had the first wet t-shirt contest.
01:07:05.000This was when they were being tried downtown in the LA court systems, if you got busted.
01:07:10.000For running wet t-shirt contests, whether it was lewd, public exposure, you know, the usual collision course of the mayor versus, you know, whatever.
01:07:23.000It's probably where the dispensary system is today in terms of the legal collision.
01:10:51.000And all the girls would go through and then there'd be a huddle over at the side of the stage and there'd be some secretive talking and some gesturing and some looking around and some further gesturing.
01:11:03.000And then I would make the obligatory announcement that, ladies and gentlemen, the judges are a little intoxicated.
01:11:09.000Some of the voting slips have been misplaced or mislabeled and then misplaced, as have several of the judges.
01:11:17.000And we're going to have to have them all go through one more time!
01:11:24.000And the band would start playing smoke on the water.
01:12:43.000Backstage is when all of our colorful habits started happening.
01:12:48.000Man, how many times I had to hitchhike home.
01:12:52.000Try and remember who had gotten the car.
01:12:55.000When you see yourself and you see all these different guys that have been contemporaries, rock stars before you, but you're still living like you're a single man.
01:13:10.000You'd pack up and go to Japan if you want.
01:13:12.000You've never sort of reformulated yourself and brought yourself back into mainstream society.
01:13:19.000You continued just being David Lee Roth.
01:13:24.000Well, I live in my own little world, but leave a message.
01:13:29.000You know, I mean, it's kind of interesting how you pulled it off.
01:13:34.000You know, like you telling the story about moving to Japan, like how many guys...
01:13:37.000Get to the point when they're your age that are so unsaddled down and so free that they can just pack up and go to Japan for a year.
01:13:48.000I got lucky in that respect because it is a commitment.
01:13:56.000I talk about having read early books about Well, first I joined the Merchant Marines and I worked my way up to Alaska and then I had the accident and so I had to go to work in this bar.
01:14:14.000And I was working in this bar when this guy comes in with a treasure map and says, does anybody speak Swahili?
01:14:21.000He didn't know that I was half Swahili.
01:14:24.000So that's how I wound up in Africa two weeks later.
01:14:27.000And I just thought it would be fun to be one of those guys.
01:15:37.000And one of the best things to do is hook up with a team.
01:15:40.000Get in with a group of people who come from a bunch of different backgrounds and see where that leads you because they're going to have to eat dinner sooner or later.
01:15:50.000Guaranteed, one of them's an alcoholic.
01:17:42.000Because the idea that Anything just because it has a small amount of words, because it has easily rememberable beat or whatever, the idea that it wouldn't be really hard to fucking create that,
01:17:58.000and if it wasn't really hard to create that, wouldn't there be a lot more Van Halens out there?
01:18:03.000There are a number of sub-Van Halens out there.
01:18:06.000There's a number of almost Van Halens out there.
01:18:10.000What do you think was influenced by you guys the most?
01:18:36.000I know what influenced Van Halen the most.
01:18:41.000And that's a whole cross-section of different kinds of music and different kinds of theater and different kinds of show business, you know, starting long, long, long ago.
01:18:51.000You can't just imitate one kind of band.
01:18:53.000You can't just imitate one kind of music, you know, or it becomes not even professional wrestlers do that.
01:20:02.000He sends me this clip showing Led Zeppelin songs and then all these other people that the Led Zeppelin band apparently got the original music from.
01:20:15.000Well, it's interesting when you listen to it back to back, because you'll hear, I'm going to try and think of some lyrics, you know, you'll see it says a blues song, and then all they really got from the blues song was a couple of lyrics.
01:20:31.000I am a little red rooster, and I lay the golden egg, and that's what the little red rooster said.
01:20:39.000And then they'll repeat that a couple of times, and they'll say, well, that's the little red rooster blues song.
01:21:07.000Well, you were there for the beginning of that debate.
01:21:09.000You were there in music for the beginning of the sampling debate when it all started happening, when rap Artists started like MC Hammer and Vanilla Ice used that whole beginning part for Under Pressure.
01:21:22.000So many different bands were getting sampled.
01:21:26.000What was your thought on that when that was all going on?
01:21:29.000I think if you're going to use it I don't even think you have to acknowledge.
01:21:36.000Acknowledge behind the scenes, you can pay me for it.
01:21:39.000It doesn't have to have worn right up on the sleeve that you used my material.
01:21:44.000Because it's a lot like cooking in the kitchen.
01:25:54.000A reality behind the scenes that if there's that multi-million dollar ability to sell 20 million records like Saturday Night Fever or one of those Fleetwood Mac records or one of those Eagles records, you know, one of those huge multi-billion selling.
01:26:11.000Jesus, I just wrote Dark Side of the Moon.
01:26:16.000I think I'm going to buy Kahlua with some of the profits and really go on vacation.
01:26:36.000You know, we're going to have to put in a year and a half, two years of our time.
01:26:41.000Doing this, you know, that's what happens.
01:26:43.000You want to do The Wall, you want to do Tommy, you want to do, you know, one of those kinds of records, then it's like a three-year commitment.
01:26:52.000From the time you go, hey, you want to write some songs?
01:26:55.000To the time you're standing around uncomfortably in a suit and tie, collecting, well, I wouldn't be up here for the ninth time tonight with one of these little statues if it wasn't for a lot of other people.
01:27:06.000That space of time is about three years, and it means commit yourself like a blue uniform type of commitment.
01:27:15.000Like ruin your family life more often than not.
01:27:24.000I'm sure Springsteen's Acolytes would tell you that, you know, and all those early, you know, Born to Run and Jungle Land and all those epic things are not born of, you know, well, yeah, we marched up to the gate and we stormed the gate and won.
01:27:59.000Well, first, of course, the nobility of song.
01:28:02.000And second, of course, because you have an opportunity to win the Super Trisacta Trifecta, whatever it is, raised times, you know, a $400 million lotto that will generate forever if you create a bridge over troubled water.
01:28:22.000But if you're going to be in that studio, it's like going in windows to a submarine.
01:28:26.000You may well be there really in mind, if not body, for three full years.
01:28:33.000And when that all sort of stopped, what was the feeling like in the music business when it's like all of a sudden...
01:28:41.000Electronic downloads are completely taking over.
01:28:45.000Companies are getting stripped by illegal downloads, just stripped.
01:28:49.000Albums are out instantaneously on BitTorrent the moment they're released, and more downloads in terms of how many people are downloading it to how many people are buying it.
01:31:53.000And when we talk about how the record business has changed, I do miss the epic efforts.
01:31:58.000People used to make a Herculean effort when you go into the studio to really make a contribution, to really take the music past where you found it, and to really make a million bucks.
01:32:24.000Do you think that it'll balance out eventually where the bands will now be able to get free promotion on the internet and then they'll reap most of the profits that come from touring?
01:32:35.000And do you think that eventually that kind of balances out and that what gets distributed on the internet, even though you're not getting profit from it like CDs, with new bands, it'll be able to change the atmosphere and they'll be able to get promotion Where they would never be able to get to promotion before just through viral marketing,
01:32:53.000just through viral, just friends spreading things that they enjoy.
01:34:15.000If I was a smart executive, and I know that's an oxymoron, if I was military intelligence, what I would do is I would say, Dave, what do you want to do?
01:34:25.000Let me get you a microphone and ready, go.
01:34:27.000We're going to have to throw some commercials in every now and then.
01:36:13.000Well, it also, we're getting to a level now where talking becomes an art form.
01:36:19.000And art is something as simple as, it wasn't created before, but now that it exists, it forces you to think, forces you to argue, forces you to have some kind of action and re-action kind of thinking.
01:36:33.000And a lot of folks, when they get to talking on the radio, are afraid of being criticized.
01:36:39.000You're afraid of losing a constituency, you know, especially when you have morning team radio and you're doing traditional radio.
01:36:46.000You know, you don't want to say anything that's going to cause people to argue.
01:36:50.000And I think that's the first thing that you want to reach for if you're going to make any kind of contribution.
01:37:50.000It's seeing someone be able to be themselves for the first time, be able to express themselves with no one's direction, with no one telling you what to say or what to do.
01:38:04.000You don't get that on The Tonight Show.
01:38:06.000When you talk to David Letterman, I get to see David Lee Roth in these five to seven minute bursts where this It's so hard to get to know you, like, for real, legit.
01:38:16.000They're going to get to know you, though, if they listen to your radio show.
01:38:19.000If they listen to the Roth show and they listen to that over and over again for several months, they'll know the real you.
01:38:31.000You know, just enough, like, I can share some things probably you didn't know, like, why disc jockeys on FM radio speak like heroin addicts?
01:40:14.000Yeah, I try to be observant while I'm doing it, but definitely had to go back and listen in the early days, and I'd listen to myself like, oh, I need to shut the fuck up.
01:40:24.000Or I was talking too much about one fighter and not enough about another, or I was missing something, or, you know, you can get on tangents sometimes, you can get stuck.
01:43:17.000Well, you start to see success with these unorthodox techniques that are really not unorthodox techniques.
01:43:23.000They're just traditional mixed martial arts techniques that people hadn't incorporated into the octagon yet.
01:43:30.000What most of the stuff that got by in the early morphing of mixed martial arts was wrestling and the ability to punch on the feet.
01:43:41.000But then Maurice Smith came around and started showing people high level kickboxing and he started leg kicking guys and knocking guys out.
01:43:48.000So then they started incorporating kicks but Maurice was a Muay Thai guy.
01:43:51.000So everybody was throwing these roundhouse kicks, and that's basically it.
01:43:55.000Then Anderson sort of evolved things even further, and a lot of other fighters did as well.
01:43:59.000And now you're starting to see, like with Lyoto Machida and a lot of these other karate stylists, you're starting to see all sorts of different karate techniques inside the octagon as well.
01:44:08.000Because these guys know all the other stuff, like wrestling, they know how to stand up with wrestling, they know how to get back up to their feet, and they know how to avoid takedowns.
01:44:17.000So now you're seeing all these other traditional mixed martial arts techniques, or traditional martial arts techniques, rather, that we didn't see for 10 plus years.
01:44:26.000And are these familiar techniques that are we going to continue seeing them?
01:44:36.000Guys have tried it, but no one's ever knocked anybody out.
01:44:39.000In kickboxing and in Taekwondo tournaments, there's a lot of knockouts with axe kicks.
01:44:43.000I've never seen one in the UFC. An axe kick with a guy with your kind of flexibility, when you used to throw those wild kicks, when you would basically do a split standing up and throw a kick right over your head, you know the axe kick is you throw the leg up like that and you come down with the heel.
01:44:57.000It's a devastating technique if you're flexible enough and you're fast enough.
01:45:01.000It's like getting hit in the head with a giant bone hammer, you know?
01:45:04.000I mean, it's really a brutal technique, but we haven't seen it in the octagon yet.
01:45:08.000How come we haven't seen it in the octagon?
01:45:10.000For the same reason why Anderson Silva's front kick to Vitor Belfort's face was the first time we ever saw it.
01:45:15.000We just need to see someone pull it off.
01:45:17.000If one person pulled it off, one guy who really knows how to do it and has confidence in it, we'll see it left and right.
01:45:22.000It's sort of like the four-minute mile.
01:45:24.000Once it's broken, then other people will break it.
01:45:30.000Who are the two biggest guys now that are fighting in there?
01:45:34.000Well, that's the funny thing about heavyweights.
01:45:36.000It doesn't seem that the biggest guys are the most effective.
01:45:39.000In heavyweights, once you get up to 265 pounds, that's the heavyweight limit, the most effective guys seem to be about 240. Like Cain Velasquez, Junior Dos Santos, those guys are around 240. When you get bigger than that, you just move a little too slow and you don't make up in horsepower what you lose with having too much muscle mass,
01:46:03.000having your body have to pump Blood through too much body mass, too many cells to feed with oxygen.
01:46:10.000It seems like there's a point of diminishing returns.
01:46:12.000And they move slower, it's not as much fun to watch the fight?
01:46:36.000Even Cain Velasquez, who's the most conditioned heavyweight, he'll get more tired in a five-round fight, like when he just won the title back against Junior Dos Santos.
01:46:44.000He's known for his cardio, but he got noticeably tired in that fight.
01:46:48.000Even though he dominated and won his title back, he got way more tired than you would ever see like Benson Henderson get.
01:47:39.000Anderson Silva got throttled by Chael Sonnen for four and a half rounds and still pulled off a triangle off of his back in the fifth round.
01:47:47.000I mean, you're talking about a guy with supreme conditioning.
01:47:50.000And those are the only guys that survive in this day.
01:47:56.000There's no way to make it unless you have all the bases covered.
01:48:00.000You'll get a certain distance with just power if you're like a really explosive guy who can just blitz guys and run after them and crack them.
01:50:32.000There's going to be a lot more of that.
01:50:33.000And now that they realize also you can make a legit living, like Ronda Rousey, if she's not rich already from that fight, which I'm pretty sure she is, and I don't know how much she makes off of pay-per-view and all that jazz, but I'm sure She probably has more money than her wildest dreams right now.
01:50:55.000She's doing every possible magazine interview.
01:50:59.000Five years from now, she'll be able to retire and buy herself a fucking country somewhere and have a bunch of little brown dudes wash her feet.
01:51:07.000Just be able to do whatever she wants.
01:52:59.000I have a good friend who's also a doctor and he specializes in hormones and hormone therapy and the reactions that people have to certain hormones.
01:53:13.000And he got on our show and said, there is not a way in the world that a woman gets built like that unless she's taking male hormones.
01:54:12.000Also, the ability to keep punching and not get tired.
01:54:15.000There's other things that are just as dangerous as steroids, like EPO. EPO is what Lance Armstrong was using, what all those cyclists use.
01:54:22.000And what it does is it gives your body an extraordinary amount of red blood cells, allows you to carry oxygen, In a really unnatural manner.
01:54:29.000And what these guys are doing is, if they're taking EPO and they're fighting someone, they put a pace on a guy.
01:54:37.000They have way more endurance than is, like, normally physically possible.
01:54:41.000And they'll put a pace on a guy and then wind up beating the shit out of the guy because the guy can't keep up with their pace.
01:54:47.000Well, is it because they've trained harder or is it because they're on EPO? Well, it could be both, but the EPO most certainly is a dangerous aspect of fighting.
01:55:01.000But what it is is, and I have a friend who has used this stuff because he was a former professional cycler.
01:55:09.000And he said that when he was on a big cycling team, he said they were on the bus, they were on tour, you would hear guys get up in the middle of the night and grab their bike and hear them pull their bike off the bus and go for a ride.
01:56:23.000But it wasn't, as far as really recently, tested for in fighting in the UFC. They weren't testing it for the Nevada State Athletic Commission.
01:56:44.000Well, you know, look, these guys, their health is on the line when they're fighting.
01:56:49.000I mean, you've got to think, if you have a little more endurance, if you have a little more strength, it could keep you from getting knocked out.
01:56:55.000It could keep you from getting beaten.
01:56:57.000It could certainly make your odds of success much higher.
01:57:01.000And so a lot of guys, I think, even though it is cheating, they look at it pragmatically, and then they look at the fact that, look, Most of these guys are taking things, including Floyd Mayweather, who always is going off about people being on drugs and all these different things.
01:57:15.000It turns out he had accidentally ingested some performance-enhancing substance and made some sort of a deal to keep all that quiet.
01:57:31.000Well, there's accidental consumption through supplements that you buy, like GNC. Sure.
01:57:40.000A lot of times they actually have supplements that you're buying that actually have steroids in them.
01:57:46.000Brian, on this show, he's reviewed all these dick pills.
01:57:49.000You know those dick pills that you get at a gas station?
01:57:52.000A lot of them, a good percentage of them, are actually either Cialis or Viagra.
01:57:56.000They buy it in bulk form, and it's actually cheap to sell, and you mix it up with some fucking wacky herbs, and you sell it over the counter in these gas stations that do not give a fuck.
01:58:06.000These 24-hour gas stations in the middle of nowhere, they'll sell these things.
01:58:10.000And it's profitable and really effective because they actually do work.
01:58:17.000Like, there have been many supplement companies that have been caught, and it turns out that, like, athletes took their stuff and then tested positive for steroids, and then they'll take that stuff and they'll bring it to a lab, and they go, yeah, there's steroids in there.
01:58:29.000Like, they have illegally poured steroids into their supplements to make them effective.
01:58:33.000So Floyd Mayweather, performance-enhancing drug test.
01:58:38.000Well, that used to happen all the time with Sudafed and this sort of thing, yeah?
01:58:49.000They don't have listed what he took, but it's hilarious.
01:58:54.000A lot of those guys are on things, a good high percentage.
01:58:58.000And if they're not on that, you know what they are on?
01:59:01.000Almost everyone is taking supplements, whether it's Creatine, or protein, or vitamins, or whatever, beta-alanine, whatever legal stuff, amino acids.
01:59:12.000Do you see that making a big difference in the ring, for example?
01:59:15.000Maybe not a big difference, but a difference.
01:59:18.000Certainly, there's stuff that you can take.
01:59:20.000Cordyceps mushrooms has a very profound effect on endurance.
01:59:48.000There's also B12 in it, which has definitely been shown to be effective.
01:59:52.000So you factor all that stuff in like B12, which a lot of like athletes will take an injectable form before performance because it enhances your energy and your ability to sustain energy.
02:00:02.000So all these things, it becomes a matter of like, if you throw in a cocktail of all these legal things that can enhance performance that you're allowed to do, how much of a bump does it give you?
02:00:45.000If the human race stays alive, if we don't get hit in the head by a meteor, if we don't blow ourselves up, there's going to come a point in time within the next couple of decades where you're going to be able to change the molecular structure of your body.
02:00:58.000You're going to be able to reformulate how your body is shaped.
02:01:04.000You're going to change all sorts of aspects of the way your body performs.
02:01:09.000And regular people are going to be able to get it.
02:01:11.000Just like a regular person now has in their pocket, in the cell phone, a computer processor that's greater than the computer processor that they used in the Apollo 11 moon launch.
02:01:29.000But it's like in that 50 years, you know, from 1960, whenever it was, to now, imagine that amount of time going by from now into the future.
02:01:42.000I can't imagine a time where we're not doing some sort of crazy genetic experiment.
02:02:20.000If you could train some sort of a chimpanzee that you've created in a laboratory and teach them how to shoot a gun and send them over there and tell them to eat babies and shoot people, you don't think they would do it?
02:02:32.000Joe, what do you think about that tranny that's trying to fight in the MMA? I was going to bring it up.
02:02:38.000How did you get from a baby-eating cannibal monkey?
02:03:34.000I don't know why she thinks that she's going to be able to do that.
02:03:36.000If you want to be a woman in the bedroom, and you want to play house and all that other shit, and you feel like your body is really a woman's body trapped inside a man's frame, and so you've got an operation...
02:03:51.000That's all good in the hood, but you can't fight chicks.
02:08:42.000It's a totally different specification.
02:08:44.000This invites right away some of the usual stuff that haunts this kind of thing, like women's bodybuilding, or women's boxing, women's fighting, or whatever.
02:08:53.000Or how about some crazy dude who wants to beat the fuck out of chicks so he gets his dick chopped off.
02:08:58.000I mean, that's not outside the realm of possibility.
02:09:00.000There's a lot of suicidal fucks out there.
02:09:02.000There's a lot of people that are, like, on the edge.
02:09:04.000Anyway, like, getting your dick chopped off.
02:09:06.000You know you're gonna pay attention to me?
02:09:29.000And I think they actually broadcast on...
02:09:34.000Sometimes they broadcast on cable television, so you can watch this fight.
02:09:39.000The CFA is a, you know, they're a legit, like, farm organization, I would say, or a B organization, that has talented fighters, guys that are coming up, and, you know, it's a good organization.
02:09:51.000I just don't agree with the Athletic Commission letting this happen.
02:09:56.000Is the Athletic Commission letting something happen?
02:10:00.000Either is that or they're doing these things on Indian grounds.
02:10:03.000If they do them in Indian reservations, which we used to do all the old MMA fights, like the King of the Cage, we used to have to go to watch those at an Indian reservation.
02:10:13.000We used to go way out in the middle of nowhere.
02:10:14.000A lot of them even took place outdoors.
02:10:17.000And those days, you still can see in places that don't have sanctioning, You still can see MMA fights at Indian reservations that go by really wacky rules.
02:10:28.000You wear shoes, and this guy hasn't trained at all, and this guy's had 45 fights.
02:10:33.000Those mismatches and stuff, those can still take place because they don't have athletic commissions.
02:10:41.000They also might have a bunch of people that are on steroids and nobody testing.
02:10:44.000You don't really know what you're going to get because they're their own sort of sovereign nation.
02:10:49.000When you're on Indian land, if you're on Native American land, When you're on a reservation, they essentially can make their own athletic commission.
02:10:57.000Even if it's illegal in California, they were still holding fights in King of the Cage all throughout that illegal time.
02:11:03.000All of it was being done on Indian reservations.
02:11:25.000What basically happened was the United States or the founding humans that traveled across the United States when they essentially We're good to go.
02:11:56.000And yeah, I guess you can do whatever you want.
02:11:58.000So boom, Foxwoods, all these different places where it was illegal to have casinos, got tremendous success just putting casinos on these Indian lands.
02:17:52.000Because one of the first guys to ever get it done to start competing again was a guy named Nate Quarry.
02:17:57.000And Nate has these spacers where they take out your disc and they screw this thing into the bone and it's like rigid in place where your disc used to be and it kind of gives a little.
02:18:08.000It's made out of like this plastic substance.
02:19:19.000Usually it's a matter of strengthening that whole area, that whole wrap around where your hips are and getting good strong muscle and all the sit-ups and backups.
02:20:37.000Staring at a little piece of floor and holding the position.
02:20:40.000Well, when I was a Taekwondo competitor in my high school years, and I was a huge Van Halen fan, I always took pride in the fact that David Lee Roth can throw some fucking kicks.
02:22:08.000What about like grass-fed beef or anything like that?
02:22:10.000You have to be so careful because, you know, the mistake that most of us make is, oh, well, my pant size hasn't changed since junior college, so I'll just continue with the diet.
02:22:21.000But then your metabolism slows down and, you know, you've got to watch out because you'll be eating a lot of red meat or things that are like, you know, whatever, french fries, etc., And thinking that because your pant size hasn't changed, that you're in front of it.
02:22:47.000Yeah, I've been through many nutritionists.
02:22:49.000My sister was a nutritionist for many years.
02:22:52.000You don't really have to worry too much about red meat.
02:22:55.000With red meat, the real issue with red meat is people that are fat and people that are not exercising and people that are, especially if you're eating a lot of corn-fed meat, there's a lot of fat in corn-fed meat.
02:23:07.000But meat itself, as long as it's in moderation, especially grass-fed meat, is actually pretty good for you.
02:23:33.000And that's what makes them so fucking fat and delicious when you slap them bitches down on a grill and it's that ribeye steak and all that fat.
02:23:40.000But it's not nearly as healthy for you as grass-fed meat.
02:23:45.000Grass-fed beef is actually, it actually aids your body in burning fat.
02:23:48.000Grass-fed beef for athletic performance is far superior to corn-fed meat.
02:23:52.000You're eating a healthy animal as opposed to a sick animal.
02:23:55.000And it's just going to be more nutritious.
02:25:48.000Yeah, I mean, it's hard to get past that.
02:25:51.000How did we turn into a nutrition conversation with David Lee Roth?
02:25:54.000Because I wanted to know, because you're fit and you're energetic, and I wanted to know if you're like, but you're still smoking Marlboro's.
02:27:42.000I think, first off, in a country where virtually everybody has the same color hair, it's probably a little more difficult, you know, to stand out.
02:29:23.000And if the world is constantly watching you, then everybody alters their behavior.
02:29:28.000You got to be able to kind of fit in the way a good reporter might.
02:29:34.000You know, thinking like if you were a wartime reporter, you don't want to wear bright colors.
02:29:39.000You want to just sort of fit in, blend right in and always be there just a couple inches behind going, you know, I got a couple of questions.
02:29:46.000If you got a second here, can I ask you about that tank over there?
02:32:57.000And in the one-page contract, it said there will be no smoking backstage, there will be no marijuana consumed, there will be no drinking, etc., etc.
02:33:07.000And one of the sisters that was nuns at the time claimed that she smelled pot smoke backstage and refused to pass our $125 for the band.
02:33:41.000Well, what happened was sat in front of the judge.
02:33:45.000We sat on one side and on the other side, two sisters, two nuns came in and a family, a father, a mother, and three of the daughters in school uniforms.