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00:06:47.000There's a lot of people out there doing bicep curls and doing traditional weightlifting exercises, and they don't really understand what...
00:06:56.000I mean, you can get some benefit out of any kind of lifting weights, but to really get the maximum amount of benefit from your time, you wanted to Do something that involves your whole body.
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00:07:30.000To have someone show you how to do the proper maneuvers so you use proper technique, you're not putting a lot of strain on your body.
00:07:37.000You really should, if you can afford it, get a trainer.
00:07:39.000If you can't, there are some online videos you can get off of YouTube that are good instructional videos, but it's very important to start light and use good form.
00:07:50.000You can always get injured in lifting weights.
00:07:53.000Boss Rootin will tell you about that later.
00:07:55.000I've been injured many times exercising.
00:09:57.000Same here, you know, I'm amazed with the commercials, you fox shit motherfuckers, you know, that's great way to, you know, get it out there.
00:10:57.000For folks who don't know, Bas Rutten, former UFC heavyweight champion, if you're not into the world of martial arts, I should always introduce my guests.
00:12:20.000At that time, that day and age, you could get away with it.
00:12:22.000Nowadays, I would fight at 205 because I'm already walking around almost at 205. But at that time, I like the word heavyweight title much better.
00:12:31.000And there were all these big guys when you beat up the big guy.
00:12:36.000You only had to survive them for like four minutes if they brought an onslaught.
00:12:40.000And then it was smooth sailing from there.
00:12:44.000Yeah, to a lot of mixed martial arts fans, when you look at the eras of fighting, you certainly brought in the era of the technical striker into the heavyweight combat sports.
00:12:52.000Because you and Maurice Smith were really like the first guys.
00:12:56.000And of course, Maurice came after you.
00:12:58.000But they were the first guys to really...
00:13:05.000To have real technical striking, not just powerful guys who can knock anybody out, because there's always going to be a lot of those.
00:13:14.000Did you see the Bernard Hopkins fight this weekend?
00:13:31.000His defense, the way he rolls away from shots, and even then he occasionally got hit, but he knows how to cover up, he knows how to protect himself.
00:13:38.000And the technical fighters are always going to have an edge.
00:13:43.000The instincts are just to go crazy and attack.
00:13:47.000But there's got to be a method to your madness.
00:13:49.000And that's what separates the great men from the other fighters.
00:13:53.000Well, you were talking about Maurice Smith, and I have to tell this really funny story real fast because I fought him twice, actually, in Pancras.
00:13:59.000And there was this one time I kicked him in the head, and I go, oh, this is easy.
00:14:02.000I made a switch kick, but I slipped and I fell on the ground, and he wanted to jump on top of me.
00:14:31.000You know, six weeks before the Kosaka fight, I had Del Golar, the wrestler, had him in a triangle choke.
00:14:38.000And he thought it was smart to lift me up and slam me down, and he slammed me with my head against a wall in the corner.
00:14:44.000And that really did some damage to me.
00:14:47.000I had a baby at the time, just couldn't even lay on my chest.
00:14:50.000I couldn't breathe, couldn't cough, and I brought that whole thing with me to the Randallman fight as well.
00:14:57.000But once they put me on the posters and they introduced me to the world's greatest martial arts, I go, I can't say no now, I gotta do this thing.
00:15:04.000You know, so I remember I was in the dressing room, I had this big syringe with lidocaine and I was injecting myself in between my ribs and then the camera crew came in and they see me and I was at the time I believe at Universal Soldiers and they see me injecting and they turned around,
00:15:23.000they ran out, they thought I was doing something illegal.
00:15:25.000I said, dude, I'm just putting lidocaine in here because it was so painful.
00:15:29.000So this is when you were about to fight, you were pumping yourself filled with lidocaine.
00:17:01.000I'm going through a little bit of a bulging disc right now too, but I don't have any numbness or anything, but I've been getting it treated, I've been getting rolfing done, and I'm getting spinal decompression.
00:17:10.000They put you in a machine and stretch you out.
00:17:12.000Rolfing, last week I had that done, but this old lady that comes in and just kills me, terrorizes my body.
00:17:18.000It's amazing, it's very painful, right?
00:17:20.000It is, and you know, a really fascinating conversation I had with this woman yesterday, who is a chiropractor, who told me you would be surprised.
00:17:27.000Like, people take anti-inflammatories, but How much you can do with food just by eating resveratrol, cutting out all your wheat, cutting out pasta and gluten and all that crap.
00:17:42.000You would decrease your inflammation so much from all that stuff.
00:17:47.000We don't understand that we have very powerful immune systems for the most part.
00:18:12.000It's just this sloppy, gooey fucking nonsense that your body's not really supposed to be eating.
00:18:18.000And then she was going on and on about Glutathione and resveratrol and all these different antioxidants and eating a clean, much more like paleo diet.
00:19:07.000I will wake up, and everything with me, if it works, I never change it.
00:19:11.000I have the same stretching routine I was talking about last time, but also the same food.
00:19:15.000I think my whole career, I ate six slices of bread in the morning with like a marmalade jelly on it because I believe that the peel, the orange peel, you know, that it stops lactic acid from getting into your muscles.
00:19:27.000And I always had that feeling with it and sometimes I added peanut butter and that was my breakfast.
00:19:31.000And when I say that, that means my entire career, I would eat the same thing.
00:19:35.000I would wake up very early, two hours before my workout, eat, go back to sleep, and then when I would wake up it would be digested and I would start training.
00:20:30.000Actually, in Japan, you have to understand, when you go from Holland to Japan, there's a time difference, which is Daytime is nighttime for you.
00:20:40.000So that means you're awake all night and around 7 o'clock in the morning, that becomes 11 o'clock at night where you come from, you're going to start falling asleep.
00:20:49.000So I go, After the first two fights, I don't want to take sleeping pills because I'm going to compete.
00:20:55.000I always figured medication slows me down, and I always stayed away from that.
00:20:59.000But then I said, you know, let's go out.
00:21:01.000We've got great Roppongi here, and we'll drink a couple of beers, and it worked.
00:21:05.000I woke up home and fall asleep, and that became my...
00:21:09.000You know how you say, my schedule became, before the fight I would just go out and get a couple of beers.
00:22:50.000They go like, this guy is crazy, you know?
00:22:52.000I always thought, actually, because at the end I didn't do it anymore because I was fighting here in America and I didn't need it because I'm falling asleep.
00:22:59.000But I always thought, you know, to go to the...
00:23:01.000Just before you go to the center of the cage, flush with whiskey in your mouth.
00:23:07.000Spit out to go to him and then let him think that you're hammered, you know, just to get inside their heads.
00:23:13.000Yeah, there's some guys that show up in jiu-jitsu class drunk.
00:23:16.000There's this one dude who used to be drunk all the time.
00:24:43.000I was in America half a year, and then I went back to Holland to visit the family, and I was looking at, they call it the puppet theater, and there's just these two little curtains open up, and there are people from Holland, everywhere from the country,
00:24:59.000and they can say whatever is on their mind.
00:25:02.000And there were two little kids sitting there with a bottle of Heineken.
00:25:06.000And they said, yeah, we like to drink beer.
00:26:02.000You walk there like in the red light district in Amsterdam.
00:26:06.000And you see girls that you go, you know, it could be the girl next door.
00:26:09.000It's amazing the amount of different, the plethora, as El Papa would say, of girls that they have.
00:26:16.000And they wouldn't even think about it the same way we think about it.
00:26:20.000Like, the way life is there from the get-go is so much different than the way life is here.
00:26:26.000That, in my opinion, like, to change our laws and to make it so that prostitution is legal and make it so marijuana is just openly tolerated everywhere and kids can drink at 12, like, man, you would almost have to start from scratch.
00:27:02.000Yeah, it seems like Holland is all in all just more laid back, more fun, wilder people, right?
00:27:12.000Like a big kickboxing scene, huge kickboxing scene.
00:27:15.000You know, I was just watching today on Facebook, somebody posted the Majiro Jam on my Facebook from 83. That was when Andre Brillemann was still alive.
00:27:26.000You know, the guy who got killed and tortured.
00:28:28.000That he does, like when your foot is here, he's doing this.
00:28:31.000When his arm is here, he's doing that.
00:28:32.000He hits with the left hook, and then it's the right leg kick.
00:28:34.000And he's got like this, you know, this really technical system that when you see him sparring, it's really fascinating to watch it in action.
00:28:42.000Yeah, because he just taught it himself to do it all the time.
00:28:46.000Like when I hold focus mitts for my guys, I have shin pads on myself.
00:29:37.000And he's got a great new one out called The Disaster Diaries.
00:29:41.000And it's all about pressure and dealing with natural disasters, horrible situations where people's character gets exposed and how to stay calm.
00:29:51.000And one of the things he's talking about in the book is about how your body moves in a competition.
00:29:59.000The only things that are going to come out are the things that you've drilled into your brain to the point where they're in your subconscious.
00:30:07.000So the left hook whizzes by your head, the counter's right there.
00:31:44.000But the one thing came back, it was the right hook to the body, right hook to it, and that's how we knocked him out.
00:31:49.000You see, and there you see, like, even in all that chaos, because I always tell the people, when I knocked out my first Thai boxer, if they would, at the moment of knockout, they would have blindfolded me, they would have called in five other guys, and then they would put my blindfold off and say, okay, who did you fight?
00:32:49.000You know, and then Shakariki, all those names, Meng Ho, you know, Core Hammers, and everybody started coming.
00:32:55.000I recently saw a video from Robin Decker when he was 19 years old, you know, and that was the first time when I saw him destroying somebody.
00:33:02.000My buddy told me, he says, watch this man, you're going to freak out.
00:33:05.000And I thought, he's going to get killed, this kid.
00:36:10.000When you think about Dwayne had so many fights before he even got to the UFC. He had so many King of the Cage fights and He had kickboxing bouts.
00:36:20.000He won a world title in Muay Thai, correct?
00:36:28.000I saw Dwayne first time when I did the boss with the Invitational.
00:36:31.000I see a lot of fighters nowadays who became bigger fighters come from that It was a tournament that we had and it was so badass at one moment you had to fight four times in one night and there was almost no weight classes.
00:36:47.000Glory does it also but it's a bit striking.
00:36:50.000But that's where I found Dwayne for the first time.
00:36:53.000He was there and we needed an opponent for somebody and he just said oh I'll do it and his little kid jumps up And he fights this guy, 30 pound heavier, knocks him out with a hat kick.
00:37:03.000And I go, ooh, I gotta know who this kid is.
00:37:05.000And we became friends instantly there.
00:39:18.000That's a three-year solid straight because every time was at least average a week because sometimes it was four days, but many times a week or I stayed sometimes even for three weeks to train there because I had no training partners in Holland.
00:39:29.000You were still thinking about fighting back then too.
00:39:31.000Whatever kept you from fighting in pride because you fought Reuben, Warpath.
00:42:32.000It's amazing, because now we realize it doesn't really...
00:42:36.000You know, it's not really any difference, I guess, with the impact.
00:42:40.000I think only body shots, maybe, because it's a smaller surface, it penetrates through easier, I think.
00:42:46.000But I don't think that the head, you know, even with a bare knuckle hitting a head, or with a glove, if I have to say, I do think that with a glove has more impact than with a bare knuckle.
00:45:58.000But Boss was the only one to figure out that instead of slapping, Use punch combinations, but just pull the hand way back, and you're essentially blasting them with the palm, and in a way it's even better because you can't break your hand.
00:46:11.000You know, until this day I still don't get it, that people don't use it because I always say it's very simple.
00:46:18.000If I'm standing here, this is the target, a left hook, right straight.
00:46:22.000If I connect with the left hook, I'm too close for my right straight.
00:48:11.000So 60,000 people, and you go through, you know, this is what you do in the beginning, then you ad-lib a little bit, and in the middle you do this, and then you ad-lib some more, and in the end, you know, you get the wrap-up.
00:48:22.000So this is an orchestrated pro wrestling event?
00:48:25.000And he was going to, at the start, he was going to pick me up, throw me in the corner, and give me like three elbows in the face, And then he would go to the audience and he would drop me with an elbow.
00:48:38.000I would take an eight count and then the fight would start.
00:48:41.000But I never progressed in my life before.
00:48:44.000So he attacks me and the first elbow he gives me is perfectly timed.
00:48:48.000But the second one is a little harder and the third one he hits me full.
00:48:52.000And my automatic reflex kicks in and I go boom and I hit him in the face and he goes and he's out.
00:50:27.000I would hate to speculate, but it's a very unfortunate aspect of having the ability to have open fingers.
00:50:34.000And I was wondering if you think there could be a way where you could cover over the tips with maybe a soft leather so it was all one smooth piece over the top, but it was soft enough so that you could still grapple.
00:50:47.000Because most people don't understand, you don't really grapple like that anyway.
00:50:51.000You use your whole hand, and the only time the thumb even is involved is with wrist control.
00:50:56.000I mean, most of the time when I'm grabbing things, I'm grabbing things like this, because I'm pulling with my thumb.
00:51:02.000I give myself the added muscle down with my thumb, whereas you don't have that if you do this.
00:51:08.000This situation, for instance, when somebody's a mount on me, and I never get this anyway, people at their mount, they let themselves just buck up, I always say.
00:52:10.000And even when you're on the bottom and he hits you with the other hand...
00:52:13.000Okay, I see what you're saying for folks that don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
00:52:17.000What he's saying is that at the base of the wrist, it's the thinnest.
00:52:22.000So you have more strength in your hands When your fingers are completely wrapped around something and the index finger and the thumb are touching together.
00:52:32.000And the more your fingers are spread out, the less power you have to grab ahold of something.
00:52:36.000So, in the case of the human body, you're better off grabbing the wrist with three fingers and three fingers.
00:55:58.000If you break my grip, I'll already set myself up.
00:56:01.000If my lands are locked, my elbow is right away here.
00:56:03.000And at the moment they start pulling, I throw my other legs in the same line as you, and I have to make a really tiny roll.
00:56:09.000The folks listening to this on iTunes.
00:56:12.000This is all very baffling but it's very exciting too because there's a bunch of different branches of grappling in MMA. There's the catch wrestling sort of branch where a lot of Gene LaBelle taught guys and a lot like Josh Barnett as well.
00:56:32.000And of course there's a Brazilian Jiu Jitsu oriented.
00:56:34.000But there's also like the Japanese style which is sort of a combination of the both.
00:56:40.000Like Sakuraba who had a lot of Carl Gotch influence.
00:56:43.000He was like one of the early catch wrestling guys to go over to Japan and teach these guys.
00:56:48.000All these different techniques, but he also had the Japanese martial arts and the judo submissions and everything as well.
00:56:57.000Really fascinating when you stop and think about, when you started, I mean, the first UFC fight was in 93. When was your first punk race fight?
00:57:08.000Two months before, a month before, September.
00:57:10.000You were there in the beginning of the blossom.
00:57:13.000It must be really interesting to see all these new techniques and all these, well, really a lot of ancient techniques, but become mainstream and new.
00:57:51.000Yeah, what he's saying for folks listening, there's a technique.
00:57:54.000It's like, you know when a guy's like showing you his muscle, like, look at my bicep, boom.
00:57:58.000Well, that, if you take that arm and just drop it down to the rib, And then pull the arm backwards, there's a surprisingly small amount of room that you can move where you're in excruciating pain.
00:58:11.000But, if you keep it up there, where you show, like, the muscle, You can move way back.
00:59:26.000Because there's a lot of debate about whether or not the Pride rules were the best rules.
00:59:30.000A lot of people think that they favored the more skillful fighter and they were more chaotic because they had stomps, soccer kicks, but yet no elbows.
00:59:40.000You know, I always said elbows and now, you know, Now we see guys start knocking people out with elbows.
00:59:47.000But normally, if a fight gets stopped by elbows, 95% is because of a cut.
01:01:28.000Whenever it's a liver shot, like Boss Ruth knows the power of the liver shot.
01:01:32.000And he's, you know, from Boss's commentary...
01:01:35.000You've always been so adamant about attacking the liver.
01:01:38.000Folks who don't know, where a person would hit you with a left hook, there's an area where your liver is where if you take a sizable impact on that liver, your body just shuts down.
01:02:09.000And that's when I started focusing because I knew right away, I thought I was a badass because I In karate, I was beating people up in training and in Taekwondo, but when I went to Thai boxing, because we were not used to really punching the head, you know, when they started taking my head,
01:02:24.000my hands flew up way too high, of course, and exposing, overexposing my body, and that's when the body shot came.
01:02:33.000I started out in Taekwondo and realized it was like right around the time I wanted to try to make the U.S. national team.
01:02:40.000I won the Massachusetts state championship like four years in a row, and I I won the US Cup.
01:02:45.000I won some good tournaments, or the US Open, but I got to the Nationals in 1988. By the time I was doing that, though, I'd already started boxing, and I realized I was full of shit.
01:02:59.000Everybody that takes karate, at least back in the day, before the UFC came around, everybody that took judo, everybody that took...
01:03:06.000Whatever you took, you thought what you had was the shit.
01:03:12.000There was a guy named Joe Lake, who's a great guy, who was a boxing coach at this gym that I was working out at, and I was teaching a Taekwondo class there.
01:03:19.000And so he started teaching me how to box, so I could teach him some kicks.
01:03:23.000So I was teaching this guy some kicks, and then we started doing some sparring.
01:03:26.000He'd bring in some boxers that I could spar with.
01:03:28.000And I just got the fuck beat out of me.
01:03:47.000I developed a style that's based on no punching to the face, so it's an unrealistic style.
01:03:53.000But those guys that come from that unrealistic style, because there's so many kicks, they have a dexterity and a kicking dexterity that very few other guys ever develop.
01:05:58.000You got to see, and commentating in pride, you got to see some of the most historic fights in MMA history.
01:06:04.000I mean, those days, in my opinion, and this is my opinion, I work for the UFC. Obviously, I'm biased.
01:06:11.000I think the greatest fighters live today.
01:06:13.000I think today, the level of fighters is at the highest level it's ever been in the UFC. Whether it's Anderson Silva, George St. Pierre, John Jones, that's the highest level it's ever existed.
01:07:31.000But the sense of pageantry that the Japanese...
01:07:34.000I still, on this TV right here, I have Best of Prides, and a lot of times before the podcast, I'll watch like a bunch of pride fights in a row, and sometimes I forgot how insane they were.
01:07:46.000You know, I remember the time when Dana White was there with Chuck Liddell, you know, and they were sitting there in the first row waiting, and it started.
01:07:53.000And I looked at Dana and he was like, what?
01:07:56.000I mean, and I looked at him and I'm like, right?
01:11:12.000He's young, and I know him for four years, been bullied when he was a kid, until, you know, also stood up and knocked the bully out and started getting in.
01:11:18.000He wants to start fighting, and he's coming now here also.
01:11:20.000And he's here for the first weekend, and he wants to stay for three months to train.
01:11:24.000And he also said, you know, yeah, it's hard, you know, your family and especially, you know, because he's used to his family all the time around.
01:11:30.000And I said, you know, I know exactly what you're going through because I had that too.
01:11:33.000Sometimes I went five weeks over there.
01:14:34.000But the 10 minutes opening round, if you overshot yourself, shoot yourself in the beginning of the round, you know, you're going to have eight minutes left.
01:14:40.000And eight minutes is a very long time, you know, to come back from that.
01:14:44.000So I truly believe, you know, you play always that danger as a fighter.
01:14:49.000That's why I always said to all my guys, the 38-year-old guy who I said was starting fighting, I said, stamina is going to be your number one goal.
01:16:02.000Well, your style is always very interesting to me.
01:16:06.000It's fascinating how many different people have a different approach, like Nick Diaz's approach, where he throws like, he'll hit you with like 50% punches.
01:18:30.000One of the things that you said is you said, You said I would do one round.
01:18:35.000I would start out one minute, and I would go full clip, and then next time, I'd do one minute and a half, and then eventually you build up.
01:19:50.000What I was getting at with the Nick Diaz thing was that it's so interesting to see the different styles, like the way Nick approaches it, where he just has a lot of volume and he doesn't blast you full blast with every shot, whereas you had a different style.
01:20:04.000You would, even when you would kick their arms, you would try to crush them.
01:20:11.000Like I say, if somebody puts his defense up, kick as hard as you can on the defense, put in his head that, I better block this because if I don't block it, you know, now you're inside his head.
01:20:42.000You have to fight and train like that because otherwise you run out of gas.
01:20:45.000That's why you see all those super explosive guys, they run out of gas and that's the reason because they don't train like that.
01:20:51.000One of the things that Chael Sonnen said, he said that if you try to knock a guy out, if you feel like you have an opportunity, you try to knock the guy out, if you don't knock him out, you're probably not going to win a decision.
01:21:01.000Like, you have to realize, you're gambling it all.
01:21:03.000And if the guy survives it, you might be out of gas.
01:21:26.000Yeah, it's just such a fascinating thing to see guys start to put it all together and also to see the whole style changing where these guys like these Rory McDonald guys that can do everything are starting to sort of move ahead.
01:21:54.000A lot of hurdle jumping, a lot of, like, powerlifting, a lot of, like, all that, you know, strength and conditioning shit that you see with, like, pro football players, pro hockey players.
01:22:03.000That's what you're seeing now is you're seeing, like, real athletes.
01:22:29.000When you see a guy like Anderson Silva who basically can do everything, and when you see that guy, you know that those guys are possible.
01:22:35.000So when you see a guy who doesn't, or when you see a guy like George St. Pierre who makes it so unpredictable what he's going to do, whether he's going to punch you or try to take you down...
01:22:43.000And that's part of why he's so effective.
01:23:10.000He comes with two or three things and he will throw that the most and in between he ad-libs and he does all the rest that he knows very well.
01:23:17.000The spinning back was from him working with me.
01:23:20.000The whole video of me teaching him how to do it.
01:23:22.000We were at Legends in Hollywood and it was the most ridiculous conversation.
01:23:26.000I was talking to John Donaher and he was looking for someone to teach George St. Pierre how to throw a Spinning back kick, he was asking me, do you know any good Taekwondo guys?
01:24:56.000Yeah, guys that will mix up, like I always loved it, those guys would mix up karate techniques and taekwondo techniques with the Muay Thai, like Andy Hoog.
01:25:06.000I mean, throw that wheel kick to the thigh.
01:25:08.000To the leg, you know, that's how he won the whole thing with Bernardo, remember?
01:25:12.000Bernardo got his legs messed up already with Peter Ertz and everybody, you know, and then he was a smart guy, Andy Hoog.
01:25:43.000But I say the Thai Boxer, of course, because they will probably close the distance really fast, being in hand range, and Capoeira doesn't have that.
01:25:52.000But once a kick hits, I mean, they have so much power when they propel that weight, the way they throw that kick, but landing it, that's the thing.
01:26:14.000But the reason he could do it is because he's got good wrestling, he's got a black belt in jujitsu, he's got good hands, he's got all the other things as well.
01:26:22.000And so then you can add those karate techniques and then they become incredibly deadly.
01:26:26.000Yeah, and talking about Machida, that's maybe good to mention because one time I said, yeah, he doesn't have a lot of weapons.
01:27:00.000But he says his attacks are most of the time it's a left straight or it's a left kick, left straight, or a left kick, left straight, right hook.
01:27:08.000And when he moves backwards, I said, he always moves to that side.
01:27:12.000And if you bull rush him because of his stance, he has to start walking backwards.
01:27:17.000Because otherwise he can't move backwards fast enough.
01:28:44.000Take him down and go for ground and pound.
01:28:45.000But whatever you do, don't throw single punches or two punch combinations because he's so good at the counter.
01:28:51.000Yeah, I think when I see a lot of older wrestlers like Dan, I mean, I know Dan recently had a knee injury and his knee was really wrapped up for that fight.
01:29:01.000I always assume that they're going in there banged up.
01:29:25.000That is, you know, the way when he fought Fedor, you know, that Fedor came out banging, and then you see him making up his mind like, oh, is it going to be like that?
01:29:39.000And that's what I love about that man.
01:29:41.000I saw him in pride, like after the first round, crawling on his knees back to the corner, and then he would come out second round like nothing happened and just fight again.
01:31:41.000People don't understand what we're talking about if you're not into MMA, but there's a real issue in mixed martial arts with weight cutting.
01:31:48.000And what that means is, well, guys will weigh...
01:31:50.000Say if you had to get down to 170 pounds, there's guys that weigh, like Anthony Rumble Johnson, well over 200 pounds.
01:32:52.000Yeah, I think, yeah, 18, 19 was when he started fighting at the IFL. And I remember the first time, because he fought the guy from Hanzo, and I go, oh my god, because it's a baby.
01:33:03.000You know, you look at him, he's a little baby.
01:33:07.000And Sean goes, don't you worry about it.
01:34:30.000Some people might have died as a heavyweight.
01:34:31.000But most of the incidences were in the lighter weight classes when guys cut a lot of weight, and that was when they used to have the weigh-in the day of the fight.
01:34:39.000And that was also when they weren't using IVs.
01:34:42.000What a lot of folks don't know is when you see these guys dehydrate themselves, one of the things that's sick about it is they go and they get fucking IV bags stuck in their arm.
01:34:49.000They get a needle in their arm And they replenished their fluids that way.
01:34:52.000Yeah, I would walk in a room, and the whole room, everybody would sit there, and there was bags hanging everywhere, you know, and they got re-tanked.
01:35:01.000I know a guy who went into a room where one of the fighters, this is way back in the day, And the guy had fucking pints of blood out that they were putting back into him.
01:35:10.000But you see, if that's blood coming out of the fridge, that's like EPO. They put more white blood cells in there.
01:38:11.000Meanwhile, the International Olympic Committee, if you've been a transgender, if you've cut off within two years, I think after two years, they allow you to compete against women in Taekwondo.
01:39:44.000I get it when people say that, but nobody was in shock, right?
01:39:48.000But the way she looks, she looks indeed like she's doing it.
01:39:53.000I mean, the way after the fight when she was throwing up her husband at the time, the divorce now, you know, it was like, whoa, she's abnormal strong.
01:42:08.000And that's most likely what's going on with Alistair.
01:42:11.000And then Keith Kaiser said if they find out that your prior usage because Alistair was caught before, this is for the listeners at home, you know, by using testosterone, Then they said, okay, you cannot get it.
01:42:22.000And since the fight was in Vegas, I thought, oh, that is the reason.
01:42:25.000But then on the day of the show, they said, oh, no, he just released.
01:42:47.000I'm just saying what I read this week and I thought was the reason he couldn't compete in Nevada because Keith Kaiser is there.
01:42:55.000For folks who don't know what the fuck we're talking about, testosterone is a huge controversial issue now.
01:43:04.000Vitor Belfort is another example of it because Keith Kaiser has said that Because of the fact that he tested positive for steroids in 2006, I believe it was.
01:43:14.000I think it was when Pride was in Vegas, right?
01:43:19.000When you test positive for steroids, if you have any history of doing that, they assume that the reason why your test is low is because you ruined your body.
01:43:30.000And if that's the case, you're on your own because you cheated.
01:43:33.000If you have a real medical condition for why your testosterone is low, Then they'll grant exemptions and they've granted them for Forrest Griffin and a bunch of other guys.
01:46:12.000It was right on the spot, right on the spot where he hit that hook.
01:46:16.000He's a way, way more experienced striker than anybody else in the UFC. The only guy on his level as far as experience is Alistair, because he's the only other guy that won the Grand Prix.
01:46:27.000And Alistair won the Grand Prix clean, whereas Hunt won it because that crazy fight he had with Ray Cepho, and then Ray Cepho couldn't continue, so he went and he took Ray Cepho's place and won it, right?
01:46:53.000So that would be a great fight between the two of those when both are healthy.
01:46:58.000Yeah, I love the fact that K1, well, it's not really K1 as much as it is Glory now, and there's just been more high-level kickboxing on television these days.
01:47:36.000Well, I think MMA has fed it to the point where everybody realized how important Muay Thai skills are to win an MMA. And then more people started gravitating towards Muay Thai.
01:47:45.000And then, you know, I think we're seeing, when you see the highest level, like you see like a Giorgio Petrosian, Or someone like that, like a real high-level technical guy.
01:47:55.000Like, you realize, like, wow, the level of striking, which is probably the most entertaining and exciting part of MMA, the level of striking is way higher in, like, high-level kickboxing than it is in MMA right now.
01:53:35.000He can take a punch and he just comes forward.
01:53:38.000And you can be a great striker, you cannot strike moving backwards.
01:53:42.000If you really push it, you shut down the whole striking.
01:53:45.000And that's how you fight a great striker.
01:53:46.000And Matt Horwich is an interesting guy because he's not burdened down with ego.
01:53:49.000I think a lot of guys with all their macho bullshit, like you talk a lot of shit before a fight, you carry that around with you.
01:53:56.000That becomes like a weight that you carry when you get inside that cage.
01:54:00.000When you say, I'm gonna rip his head off, shit in his neck, you know those kind of things?
01:54:07.000You have to understand that the moment you have to go to the fight, they play that clip on the big screen and you see yourself saying that.
01:54:15.000And now you're going to go, I better do it.
01:54:18.000And that's, boom, right away weight on your shoulders.
01:55:43.000But I just thought, you know, I would love to, because I have nothing, you know, Aixin and I, we met in China, everything's cool, you know, there's nothing going on.
01:55:51.000Because he is, he's a really nice guy.
01:55:53.000For folks who don't know who he's talking about, Hoist Gracie won the very first UFC, and Hoist Gracie, who's a brilliant Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, Yeah.
01:57:05.000For me, once I put the fans to the side to care about for fighting, you know, if you really as a fighter go in fighting for yourself, it doesn't really matter.
01:57:17.000I always tell my guys like this, if they put me with Randy Couture in this room, they lock the room and we fight.
01:57:49.000If you fight for yourself, you fight the best.
01:57:51.000If you really don't give a damn about anybody what they think, you fight really the best because it is not bad to lose.
01:57:57.000You know, everybody can have that day.
01:57:59.000That's the mindset I had with Hicks and, you know, although I thought I was going to beat him, but I would say, you know, it doesn't really matter.
01:58:06.000This is testing the skill against somebody who everybody thinks is the best guy in the world.
01:59:01.000And that's why I tell my students, as long as you fight, you know, if you leave everything out there, you know, it doesn't matter if you want to lose.
02:01:31.000If he doesn't let him to be super relaxed and constantly escapes and fights the takedown and fights back to get up, then that might be a trouble for George.
02:01:40.000But the way George was fighting last time against Condit, Man, I love that George.
02:02:21.000I think he's got a lot of Brazilian jiu-jitsu skills that we rarely see, because over the past couple of years, he's been beating guys up on the feet.
02:02:30.000And now George has to overcome that reach, that long hand, constantly peppering, peppering, peppering, but I think he will shoot straight through it.
02:02:39.000I think that Nate, maybe, if he would work really hard on a knee to the face on a takedown, because I think the takedown will be there anyway, because he's such a good wrestler.
02:02:51.000It's going to be hard to stop him, but can he still stop him in the championship rounds if it goes in there, you know?
02:02:56.000Well, and the question is going to be, well, is he going to try to stop him or is he going to try to pull guard?
02:03:01.000Is he going to try to roll with it and just lock up a good position right away like he did with Gomi or, you know, like he did with Cyborg?
02:05:05.000Are you still training fighters on a regular basis?
02:05:08.000You know, it's hard now because I had that neck surgery and last week I did two sets of push-ups, 18. Imagine, I did 120 for fun back in the day.
02:05:21.000And I was like, oh my god, I'm so weak.
02:05:24.000And then after two days, I lost all power.
02:05:27.000So I know there is something that when it swells up or it flares up, it stops my nerves from getting in.
02:05:32.000And tomorrow I'm going to find out, tomorrow 10.45 in the morning, I'm going to find out, they did a nerve-conducting test, where that blockage is.
02:05:38.000And I think once they can open that up, Then everything is going to be just...
02:05:42.000Wow, so you're going to have to have another operation.
02:08:15.000He's like a long time in the business, been there for his whole career, teaches all those, holds a focus piece of anti-pets for all the top guys, ovary, peterers, musashi.
02:08:25.000I mean, all these guys have been there, you know, so he's a...
02:13:25.000When the first operation, they didn't fuse the discs, what'd they do?
02:13:29.000They made the holes around the nerves a little bigger, but it was still a little squeezing, so it was only a 30% working, and I knew that because...
02:13:51.000But then what happened in the training, I think that's when the jam happened here.
02:13:56.000Now, knowing what you know and all this experience that you have, especially all this experience with your body breaking down, What do you tell fighters to do now?
02:14:05.000What do you advise them to not do what you did that was wrong?
02:14:48.000As far as the kind of therapy that you're doing right now for your back, do you do any inversion therapy or anything where they're trying to do any sort of traction?
02:15:02.000No, what I do, I have these two hooks, so to say, in my hand.
02:15:07.000And I have on the stairs to go to the second floor with us.
02:18:49.000Like between the knees, between your upper leg and your lower leg, yeah, there's stuff that they can put in between, resurface, and they do that, what is it, they let you bleed.
02:24:07.000And a lot of pros forget it or their teachers don't want to say it anymore because now you're on that really high level and I don't care where you are.
02:24:14.000I'm just going to tell you, this is what you do wrong.
02:24:15.000You can hit harder if you do it like this.
02:24:36.000I have a really good partner, you know, who thankfully he helped me out a lot because without him we could have not been open because we lost a lot of money to make the gym.
02:24:47.000But now we are at the place, like for the last half year, We started finally to make money.
02:24:51.000And that's of two years being here and six years at the other place.
02:24:55.000So in eight years, we never made any money.
02:24:56.000We were broke even at the other place.
02:24:57.000And this is an 8,500 square foot place.
02:27:23.000I say, But the smarter criminal goes to those places because everybody, oh, you don't have to lock your doors, you know, because it's so safe.
02:28:50.000If I, for instance, have to go to San Diego, that's where all my phone calls start happening because I save them up for that time, the two and a half hours on the road or whatever it is, maybe three hours if there's traffic, and then I make all the phone calls.
02:30:13.000But she goes to the problem because she said she shot him first, but now all the blood was there and the shell casing was on top of the blood.
02:30:20.000So she shot him, she killed him first, stabbed him in the back.
02:30:39.000Then a.22 gun, which happened to be the murder weapon, the day before she left, very mysteriously, disappeared from her grandparents, where she, by the way, lives.
02:34:56.000But the fact, the face, the facial expression from all those guys, they're all dressed the same, like these khakis with shirts over the top, all jewelry everywhere.
02:39:52.000Never, never fuck with somebody who has a dominant position over you.
02:39:56.000If I have you in an armbar and you bite my calf, Guess what's going to break at that moment?
02:40:02.000It's the most idiot thing that people actually believe that if you put a finger in my eye and live in that situation, I'm going to let go of the choke, really.
02:40:10.000I'm going to snap the neck first, then I'm going to let go of the choke.
02:40:12.000Not only that, people don't understand how quick you go unconscious.
02:40:16.000Like, if someone has a rear naked choke on you, especially if you don't really know defense, you haven't been choked a lot before, you don't know how to relax, you don't know how to touch your chin.
02:40:23.000Oh, and do you know how hard it is to poke an eye?
02:41:26.000Some young kid could be listening to that, and they want to start a martial art, and they get sucked into doing those stupid fucking street karate classes.
02:42:10.000I said, okay, anybody in America you're watching right now, if you have a person who says that he can knock me out with a punch, like just pressing somewhere, we invite him.
02:44:36.000There's teachers out there, they give you a false sense of security, and then they teach you how to defend a knife, you know, grabbing the wrist.
02:44:45.000Knife is dangerous than a gun, on a short distance at least.
02:44:48.000They teach him the wrong way, and then something happens on the street, somebody pulls a knife, and he goes to his buddy, dude, step back, I got it.
02:45:35.000Yeah, he would say that he would go in the forest, and he would fight a whole tournament, and he would come back, and he had, like, these bulleted-up knuckles, and suddenly a trophy.
02:45:45.000The story of Rafael Torre, his name was not really Rafael Torre.
02:45:51.000He was a fake Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt and he had his friend drop him off in the woods and said, I'm about to fight in a Kumite karate to the death tournament.
02:45:59.000And so he's carrying this bag and in the bag he had this fucking trophy already.
02:46:04.000He's like, drop me off in the woods, they're gonna meet me here and then I'm gonna fight for a couple days and I'll see you in a couple days.
02:46:08.000So then his friend comes back two days later to pick him up.
02:46:54.000We all know that fighting in a dojo...
02:46:56.000And fighting under pressure in a cage or in a ring, whatever, you cannot even compare to each other.
02:47:01.000I always explain, and my buddy Amir Peretz always would say it, you know, if you take a 2x4, like a long, 20-foot long, right, and you have to walk over it, it's an easy thing to do.
02:47:10.000You just walk over, it's 20 feet long.
02:47:12.000Now you put that same bar up about two buildings, 20 stories up, and now you have to walk over there.
02:47:18.000Now it's a whole different ballgame, and it's not so easy anymore.
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