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00:00:38.000But when a cell phone company goes out of their way to give you a service that, first of all, it's a better deal.
00:00:47.000It feels more ethical from a business standpoint.
00:00:51.000They allow you to cancel your contract at any time.
00:00:53.000They credit you on unused service, which I've never heard of before.
00:00:57.000If you use less than you thought you would, Ting actually drops you down and they credit you the difference on your next bill.
00:01:05.000They drop you down to the next level, like whatever you actually did use.
00:01:09.000I've gotten so many Twitter messages from people that tell me that they're saving money every month since they switched over.
00:01:14.000Like one dude was spending like 90 something dollars on another cell phone company and he said he brought it down to 18. Now that's fucking insane.
00:01:22.000I don't know what his use was like but if he's telling the truth, if he's not just some crazy troll making shit up, I cannot verify or deny.
00:01:30.000I bet he was, like, on an iPhone, barely using it on a Verizon plan, and then he switched down to, like, a Galaxy S3. You know what I mean?
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00:08:56.000Did I tell you what the anthropologists did?
00:08:58.000They did that study about how men who show up in a bar all done up in jewelry and Yeah.
00:09:19.000And they mainly don't want to bring attention to themselves.
00:09:22.000Like you don't see a guy, unless you're wearing an Ed Retardi shirt, but you know, those guys are usually jacked and ready.
00:09:27.000But for the most part, men will wear things that are like, you know, blues and grays and, you know, simple stuff.
00:09:33.000Because this anthropologist was talking about the idea that if you, it goes back to how men used to hunt in groups.
00:09:40.000And if a man, if you guys were all set and we're going to go hunting and all of a sudden I show up in a bunch of sparkly shit and bangles that are making a bunch of noise, you guys are going to be like, you're going to spook the fucking deer.
00:09:49.000They can see it a mile away and you're making like, but I like these.
00:10:33.000But your thing that I contested, and I don't mean to act like I'm the final Santa, but it reminds me of something similar that's equally interesting.
00:10:52.000To be like, what is the selective advantage to being a daredevil?
00:10:56.000And this guy argues that it's your saying to, a man is saying to females, you're like, I'm so ridiculously fit, you know, that I can do something so stupid And still thrive.
00:11:38.000Yeah, but when you're in a fucking wingsuit, you're in a wingsuit, okay?
00:11:42.000Those crazy assholes that jump off those mountains, and they're going 100 miles an hour in those suits, have you seen them fly through cities, like through the middle of buildings?
00:13:18.000Imagine they had to calculate when the first flight takes off, so you don't get torpedoed in the air by a fucking plane going 500 miles an hour.
00:13:27.000Yeah, do you think you can time the plane, how fast the plane's coming at you as you're flying down towards it?
00:13:37.000And so if that guy lands, and then a woman is like, I'm so impressed by that, I'd like to go out with you for drinks tonight, it would demonstrate that there's a selective advantage there.
00:13:47.000Yeah, there's a selective advantage towards...
00:13:54.000And it also makes sense that we have a disdain for people that are wearing jewelry and dressing flashy and attracting a lot of attention to ourselves.
00:14:02.000Because classically, that person who aims to stand out so strongly ruins everything.
00:14:32.000I get annoyed at Criss Angel because he's too into his body and he's too into his ripped jeans and I'm always like, I don't know, I'm sure I'd like him, but when I see him, I'm like, I'll punch that guy in the face, man.
00:14:41.000On top of the fact that he's really muscular, he's kind of a good looking guy, so I'm a little jealous of him at the same time.
00:18:58.000They can't process the actual reality of getting hit.
00:19:01.000If you've been hit before, you can calm yourself down, even though you know that, like, wow, I just got hit hard, but we gotta keep moving, we gotta keep your eyes open, hands up, and you start, like, calming yourself down.
00:19:12.000But that's a process you have to get really, really, really used to.
00:19:16.000You ever see boxers where the guard's taking a jab and then he has his eyes open and he's countering?
00:19:20.000Like, eyes open while a guy's punching your face.
00:19:23.000Like, they get so comfortable with it, they eat jabs with their eyes open.
00:20:21.000People who have no respect for that, people who have never been beaten, you don't have any idea what those guys are sacrificing to try to entertain people.
00:20:30.000It's the biggest sacrifice you could ever make physically without dying.
00:20:36.000And what's really interesting is some people have a genetic, like an ability to take punches that you as a human being should never be able to deal with.
00:20:45.000Like even watching Big Country when he was taking those knees to the face.
00:21:09.000It seems that guys with really thin faces, like narrow jaws, have more of an issue with getting knocked out, whereas big, square-jawed guys are more difficult to knock out.
00:21:20.000Well, they say that fighting trainers look for a short neck and a wide face.
00:23:28.000You know, I remember when I, like I grew up in Michigan and you couldn't, you couldn't find a good, you couldn't find anywhere you could, where you needed to walk.
00:23:36.000You know, like a, like a mile walk would be a big walk there.
00:23:40.000And, um, We were, you know, we all consider ourselves, like, pretty tough about that kind of stuff, like hunting in Michigan and trapping and stuff.
00:23:48.000When I moved out west and first started hunting elk, we would get where, like, we'd hike in, we might hike in, like, eight or nine miles somewhere to hunt, and then hunt a couple days and come back out.
00:24:00.000And then we'd, like, get in the truck and drive to a gas station, you know, and you go in to get, like, a fountain pop.
00:24:39.000Even if I didn't go and do that for a year, maybe not a year, if I didn't go do that for six months or something, I feel like I would just be fine.
00:24:48.000Something goes away or comes or breaks or heals or something from just those long, arduous hikes.
00:24:57.000Yeah, the human body is incredibly adaptable.
00:25:01.000I mean, there's things that people do if you go to a martial arts school and watch guys who have been doing jujitsu their whole lives and watch how you can move your body around, how you can manipulate your body.
00:25:10.000The only way you can do that is if you just do it for years and years and years and years.
00:25:14.000You're hiking up those crazy slippery slopes.
00:25:18.000All those places we hiked up were really slippery.
00:25:21.000It takes a specific kind of balance and leg endurance when you're moving through muck and stuff.
00:26:39.000You should teach somebody how to do that.
00:26:42.000My wife today, honestly, two hours ago my wife sent me a message on my phone asking if I thought that our little boy would like karate classes.
00:26:54.000Well, you did a lot of hunting, though, and a lot of physical things.
00:26:57.000I think men need a lot of physical things.
00:27:00.000I think the idea that it's natural for a man to have no explosive release physically for the rest of his life and just sit in a cubicle and just go through life with shiny shoes on, with a fucking tie on.
00:27:53.000Think how normal it is for you to sleep somewhere that's fucking cold as shit with a sleeping bag and like, all right, well, this is just what we're doing.
00:28:16.000I mean, how many people would complain and whine?
00:28:17.000Well, Steve, shed some light on this, because I've read accounts of where the settlers, when they would move west and they'd come in contact with Native Americans, it'd be a bitterly cold winter or something.
00:28:28.000And they would see like Native Americans and children not dressed warmly.
00:28:38.000Like dressed in like, you know, or not warmly compared to Western.
00:28:41.000So they'd be like, you know, 10 degrees out or something and they'd be in, you know, two skins but not nearly as bundled up as you would expect them to be.
00:28:51.000Yeah, I think the people acclimate to that kind of stuff.
00:28:54.000And you see your own minor version of it, just the way you might behave throughout the winter.
00:29:02.000You get just generally accustomed to it throughout the year.
00:29:05.000And then you see mild variations where people who might grow up at northern latitudes, move down south, they come back home and can't hack the cold.
00:29:20.000Even then, if you look at cultures like Inuit cultures, just in that small amount of time, relatively, that's not a very ancient people or very ancient culture.
00:29:33.000They're fairly new arrivals in the Arctic, but they already demonstrate Physical differences and physical adaptations...
00:29:40.000Their hands and feet don't get cold, right?
00:29:42.000...that would help them adapt to the cold, like how much stuff you spread out, like how much blood you send to your extremities and how well you can shut that off and control it.
00:31:38.000And what I'm saying is, not just the body size thing, but just attributes, long legs, things that long legs would help you shed heat, squat legs help you retain heat.
00:31:48.000So when you look at human cultures, like human cultures from equatorial areas and human cultures from Arctic and sub-Arctic areas, will in some way demonstrate that same tendency of...
00:31:58.000Or, you know, that same physiology of being squat and compact, being able to handle cold.
00:32:04.000So I think that, you know, it doesn't take that long for, I mean, whatever your feelings are about, like, you know, when I talk about evolution, it's always just, like, tangled up, you know, people think you're making, like, some grandiose comment about religion or the Bible, but I'm just talking about, like, that things are different,
00:32:19.000Things look different where they come from.
00:32:21.000And it doesn't, and I think that it goes pretty quick, In species and humans and stuff, making, you know, like, acquiring adaptations that help them deal with climates, you know?
00:32:35.000And you talk about guys going out west.
00:32:37.000I mean, like, settlers going out west.
00:34:21.000Here to promote your appearance on Meat Eater and talk about the MMA week that we're developing for Cam and Company coming up last week in April.
00:34:34.000Having Steven on and hopefully having you on, Randy Couture is going to be joining us.
00:34:38.000We're going to talk about, you know, I think a lot of the similarities in the crossover between the MMA world and the world of hunting.
00:34:47.000You know, you talk about what attributes it takes to, you know, make it as a Navy SEAL and you talk about what attributes it takes to make it as a hunter.
00:34:57.000You know, I think that there's all kinds of commonalities there when we talk about What it means to actually be better than what we are and to grow ourselves, whether it's putting yourself in that state of discomfort where a lot of people bug out.
00:35:16.000I mean, they don't want to do that anymore.
00:35:17.000We live in a world in which our entire existence is based on how comfortable can we be.
00:35:23.000But again, you don't become better unless you're pushing yourself, unless you're breaking out of that comfort zone.
00:35:30.000Yeah, it's a sad thing to see a whole generation of kids growing up that don't experience that as young men.
00:35:37.000They don't have difficult tasks to perform.
00:35:39.000I think that's a very critical aspect of your behavior and your character and growing your character.
00:35:49.000You've got to get to a situation where you pass your limits or you surprise yourself with new limits and you change your own definition of yourself.
00:35:56.000But if you don't test yourself, if you don't get into bad positions, you're always going to have that weird insecurity about you.
00:36:03.000Like that weird insecurity that guys have that have never been in any kind of conflict ever and you don't know how they would react.
00:36:10.000There are certain people I know exactly how they would react if the shit hits the fan.
00:36:14.000But those other people are like, oh, you squirrely bitch, you might fall apart on me.
00:36:17.000And I think that, like you always say too, if you're trying to be really good at anything, you can find all that discomfort and all those plateaus and everything just in trying to get great at the guitar or the drums or whatever it is.
00:36:32.000There's a certain amount of humility and an understanding of what's really going on that you develop when you sort of make any strides in any really difficult thing, whether it's playing chess, whether it's writing, whatever it is.
00:36:44.000It's a matter of doing something difficult and testing your boundaries.
00:36:48.000I think at a time all that came more naturally.
00:36:54.000If you just look at the way people's lives used to be structured, you know, and even just, you know, not even just a hundred years ago or so, it wasn't like we had to manufacture opportunities for stress.
00:37:07.000It was just like you had things you had to do, like you had to clear land or people would actually have children because they needed the additional, they didn't look at children as being a deficit.
00:37:18.000They looked at children as being an addition of resources.
00:37:22.000Like, I'll have kids because they'll help me do more work.
00:37:24.000Not that I'll have kids so that I can pump money into them and pump resources into them.
00:38:24.000That's a part of love life practice, right?
00:38:27.000It's a part of that, you know, you start getting good at something and just, you know, if you're trying to be a good wrestler or whatever, there are days you walk in, you're like, I don't want to wrestle.
00:39:10.000Between sucking weight and the training, wrestling is the most brutal fucking training you can do.
00:39:15.000And then you're doing strength and conditioning, hill sprints, whatever kind of crazy weightlifting program they have you on.
00:39:22.000You are broken down all day, falling asleep in class, you're dehydrated, you're sucking weight, you're eating fucking turkey breast and lettuce with lemon juice on it.
00:39:32.000You're essentially starving while you're going to war.
00:41:01.000What she said in an interview, Rhonda said, and I'm going to talk about this, is when something bad happens to her, she immediately says, wow.
00:41:08.000I wonder what I'm going to get out of this.
00:41:12.000This sucks right now, but I wonder what good is going to come out of this because something good, I'm going to react in a good way.
00:41:21.000My reaction is going to create something positive in this atmosphere.
00:41:25.000That's a great way of looking at any kind of adversity.
00:41:28.000Sure, until you get kicked in the head.
00:41:35.000Boo Mancini used to say, for some of you younger listeners, he was a world champion boxer, Ray Mancini, and he said, my father always said, you're a tough guy, till you're not.
00:42:43.000Yeah, he was one of the best in the world.
00:42:44.000He was a gold medal and handsome and then decides he's going to go and get his nose done.
00:42:51.000Have you ever played the game where you try to flash forward 20 years into the future and find out, you know, like think, okay, what celebrity that I know now who's normal is going to be that fucked up 20 years from now?
00:43:02.000Nah, it's too easy to make fun of the ones that are fucked up right now.
00:43:05.000I'm not really into fucking the stock market of celebrity doucheness.
00:43:09.000I'm looking for them to be fucked up right away.
00:43:13.000But there's some that you picture, like if someone just rubs you the wrong way for whatever reason, it's fun to fantasize turns that could happen.
00:43:45.000It's a very disappointing thing when you realize that there's all these really douchey people that on camera, and they have this sort of artificial act that they put on, and then they'll do films where they're really good at pretending to be someone else, so they do that.
00:44:01.000But you get to meet them, and you see them, and you're like, this guy's a douchebag, like a straight A, grade A douchebag, and you're a movie star.
00:44:55.000I mean, it was like a fucking five-minute diatribe on how well this audition went, and he's pretty sure he's going to be back for a second pass at that.
00:45:04.000And I think once I can get in front of producers, I can show them what I can really do.
00:45:28.000Well, we were talking, Cam, before you got here, we were talking about how it seems like, you know, Brian and Steve and I are, because we went on this crazy trip together, because we went to Montana, we have this weird blood brotherhood ship thing going on.
00:45:45.000It certainly felt that way when I was watching the episodes.
00:46:22.000It was hard to figure out how to sleep at first, but I realized eventually that the softest way to do it is to keep your, not just your sleeping bag, but your jacket on as well.
00:46:31.000I kept all my clothes on, my jacket, my sleeping bag, and the down jacket and the sleeping bag.
00:47:07.000You don't really know a man until you hunted with him.
00:47:11.000Forget that because I don't know the guy.
00:47:12.000I don't know what he said or who said it, which really destroys my point.
00:47:15.000But a broader thing I was going to say is that there's like a...
00:47:19.000I was talking one time with an older friend of mine.
00:47:22.000He was talking about being at his fishing camp.
00:47:24.000And he was trying to describe why he liked being at his fishing camp with his buddies.
00:47:27.000And they always fish halibut in Alaska.
00:47:29.000And he's like, everyone's just so, so...
00:47:33.000You know and it wound up being like that he just kind of appreciated that like hanging out with people who Like, have the ability just to take care of things.
00:48:08.000These guys are great people to be with, and they're just really competent people.
00:48:12.000And right now we're doing this little crew show on the media that was just on, the one that's coming up, about the guys I work with.
00:48:20.000And when I watch it, I kind of see that, where I just feel so comfortable being around people that I've spent a lot of time out hunting with.
00:48:28.000And again, I think that sports teams feel something similar.
00:48:52.000I spent 11 days in Afghanistan doing a USO tour and one of the things I came away with was I realized, I went, you know, I've been in LA for a long time where I'm the center of my own universe and everybody around me is always about them.
00:49:03.000And one of the things I found very refreshing about being in a war zone, if there is such a thing as being refreshing, was that when you're in the military, you're a Marine, you're an Army guy, you come last.
00:49:14.000Those guys put themselves last and everybody around them comes first.
00:49:16.000So when you get off a bus and you're unloading bags, there's always a line of people unloading everybody else's bags.
00:49:24.000Everybody's looking out for the other guy next to them.
00:49:54.000It's such a brutal grind to try to find people that are your friends that you can talk to.
00:49:59.000I've cultivated a group over the years, and one of the things about doing your show is that I knew that if I was going to do it, and I brought this motherfucker around, I'm like, we'll change the whole tone of the show.
00:50:10.000This show is just going to be a five-day silly fest.
00:50:13.000I'm like, this is the perfect thing to do.
00:50:16.000And also I knew that Brian Cowan holds up.
00:54:11.000Well, there was that guy that fed the body through, I guess, he had a hog farm and fed the body first through a tree shredder and shot all of it into the hog thing and the hogs ate it, but they still ended up catching the guy.
00:54:39.000Similar, but one of them was a guy who, his wife got killed by the Cherokees, so he went on a rampage and just killed a bunch of Indians and ate their liver, and they called him Liver Eating Johnson.
00:55:42.000Your stories, man, about the Old West were so great.
00:55:46.000You know so many cool fucking stories.
00:55:50.000Like Brian, when we got back, when we were on the boat, and you were like, oh my god, the last day of being on the water was so fucking cold.
00:55:59.000I didn't even notice, because Steve kept telling me all these cool-ass fucking Indian stories.
00:56:05.000How this guy got away, this guy hid in a beaver's den, and this guy, they told him you could run naked, you can try to get away if you can run away.
00:56:45.000When you get uncomfortable and cold like that, some party wants you to stand there.
00:56:51.000But the only time you're actually comfortable is when you're out screwing around.
00:56:55.000You're comfortable as soon as you start moving around.
00:56:58.000But there's something in the minute you stop, something inhabits you and makes you want to just stand there and be cold.
00:57:05.000And it's like the guys that are good about it are the guys that you look and instead of hanging around talking, they're just walking up and down a little hill.
00:58:05.000Like your body's working really hard to stave off the heat loss, so it doesn't want to send as much blood out to places that lose blood easily.
00:58:13.000But as you tire and you start to peter out, that gives way.
00:58:19.000Your body can't expend the energy necessary to do that.
00:58:38.000Yeah, and so they'll find someone, and it's always like, you know, he's got some clothes over here, and his wedding ring's laying over that way, and you know.
00:58:52.000I was down fishing in Florida, and I got bit up by black flies real bad, and for the first time since I got married, I took my wedding ring off for a day.
00:59:04.000I got like a guilty conscious feeling.
00:59:07.000And I had to put it back on even though it's uncomfortable because I just felt guilty.
00:59:10.000And then I get here and I'm looking through my bag and find my wife's wedding ring in my backpack because like a week ago she didn't know where to put it and I put it in my backpack and I call her and be like, do you even know?
00:59:21.000Do you even wonder where your wedding ring is at?
00:59:24.000You just hear a bunch of dudes in the background, come back to the hot tub!
00:59:27.000I didn't know we had a hot tub in our house!
00:59:29.000And I'm sitting here like trying to scratch under mine, you know?
00:59:32.000And hers is just in some unknown location to her.
00:59:35.000I left my wedding ring at a spa where I got a massage from a dude.
01:00:34.000We were talking about who is domain name privacy, that when you register a domain, you can also register it anonymously, so people don't know who owns dickpartyinmymouth.com.
01:00:45.000Yeah, they're going to be surprised though.
01:02:19.000Now it seems stupid, but at the time it seemed like a good idea that we wouldn't air it.
01:02:23.000And then one time we went out, we went to hunt mountain lions with hounds, a friend of mine, and went and spent six days hunting, didn't get anything.
01:02:31.000Came back, went back out again, spent I think seven days hunting, didn't get anything.
01:02:59.000And, like, things that are challenging and things you won't figure out.
01:03:02.000So I think people like to see that represented.
01:03:04.000Also, I'll say that there's a big rift in...
01:03:09.000In hunting as experienced by the American sportsman, in hunting as seen on hunting television, you know, for me growing up, like, we would start hunting deer with a bow on October 1, and you could hunt deer right up almost to rifle season,
01:03:27.000which was November 15th, and you had 10 days to hunt with a rifle, then you'd pick your bow back up, and you'd hunt to December 31st.
01:03:34.000And it would be plausible that you would hunt pretty hard through that whole thing and never get a deer.
01:03:41.000It was just a thing that happened, man.
01:03:48.000There's a lot of guys around this country facing the prospect that they worked pretty hard and hunted five, six, seven days and they won't get a turkey.
01:05:05.000You talk to anybody who's hunted for any amount of time, and a huge part of the hunting is about going out with the guys that you're going hunting with.
01:07:12.000I don't know what kind of limits Ted Nugent has in his backyard.
01:07:16.000I don't know if it's like a land management issue, you know, where you can make the call if you've got a high fence operation in Texas, like how many you decide to take out.
01:07:50.000And I think also, beyond that, it's surprising to people the variations from the different states, their strategy in how they're managing it.
01:07:59.000I think a lot of it comes down to how much the state's public.
01:08:03.000And, like, Texas, they even got rid of school trust lands.
01:08:06.000So, like, it used to be that one in every 36 sections belonged to the state.
01:08:11.000And they could use that to either build schools on or use that land to fund school Construction and they threw mineral leasing or timber rights or whatever.
01:08:22.000And at a point, Texas even scrapped that.
01:08:23.000They even sold that off into private interest.
01:08:26.000So it's like, there really is, like, public trust wildlife isn't as vital in a place like Texas because there's not publicly owned land with publicly owned wildlife on it.
01:08:41.000You guys have humongous national forests.
01:08:44.000There's a lot of public trust land and public trust wildlife in a place like California.
01:08:50.000The government plays a much stronger hand and a much more detail-oriented hand in what's happening in all this stuff, what is our harvest like, than in some states where it kind of tends to be like, well, it's your land, you figure it out.
01:09:03.000Your show on the mountain lions, one of the specific reasons I wanted to bring that up is because the idea of hunting with hogs, or hunting with dogs rather, that wouldn't work at all.
01:10:24.000I think you're seeing, and I don't mean to say that, I don't want to sound like taking Cheap shots, you know, at California or anything, but you're seeing a pretty, a real erosion of, you know,
01:10:39.000hunting rights, like a gradual, not even gradual, a pretty steady erosion of hunting rights in California.
01:10:46.000Because it's easy, because there's a thing that, there's a thing, I mentioned this somewhere in something I wrote, where you can go to Americans, like you can go to the American public and say like, Yes or no?
01:10:57.000Like, do you approve of regulated hunting, okay?
01:11:02.000And you get, the vast majority of Americans, it's something ridiculous, like 74% or 75% of Americans will say like, yes, I approve of hunting.
01:11:10.000But then you start asking them specifics.
01:11:14.000You know, like, well, how about hunting with dogs?
01:12:01.000Colorado's had some experience with that.
01:12:03.000You got the lead ammo ban in the California Condor range that they're trying to expand statewide, so you couldn't use lead ammo to hunt at all.
01:12:11.000Even in places where there are no condors.
01:12:13.000I heard a big debate about this mountain lion issue, and one of the things that the guy from the Fish and Game Wildlife Service said is, what you guys don't realize is if you're actually a preservationist, the majority of money That we collect to preserve the land you like to hike in comes from hunters.
01:12:35.000That's where the Fish and Wildlife Service and these different organizations that are responsible for maintenance of the land that is hunted, hiked on, and camped on Some crazy amount, 95%, some crazy amount, I can't remember the percentage,
01:12:50.000comes from hunters and the dues and fees they have to pay to hunt that land.
01:12:56.000So I think that the debate has to be couched in those terms, too.
01:13:00.000If you really wanted to get rid of hunters, we wouldn't have revenue to actually maintain Well, I think there's also this need to appease a certain liberal part of the population that is very uncomfortable with hunting in the first place and would like to look at people hunting with dogs as,
01:13:38.000And they killed that one in Santa Monica a year ago that was 90 fucking pounds.
01:13:42.000I saw one in Santa Barbara the other day.
01:13:44.000I mean, I'm not comfortable, like, with those things, like, getting more popular.
01:13:49.000Yeah, I'm never comfortable with terms like overpopulated because I don't know really how to define it, but...
01:13:59.000Overpopulated in the sense that you're going to wind up seeing impacts that might be counter to what it is you're going after.
01:14:07.000In fringe areas, you might lose species to predation and have predation have a serious effect on species that you maybe will want back at some point.
01:14:18.000Isn't that what happened with wolves in Yellowstone?
01:16:14.000They've ruled out that humans are troublesome.
01:16:16.000So you had this long absence of no wolves in that ecosystem.
01:16:20.000And when you put wolves back in, it's just taking those animals a really long time to figure out.
01:16:26.000To get back to knowing what it's going to be.
01:16:30.000And so we had inflated numbers of elk.
01:16:33.000Some would argue inflated numbers of elk.
01:16:35.000Some would argue inflated numbers of moose.
01:16:36.000And when the wolves came back, it's just...
01:16:39.000I mean, just plowed them into the ground.
01:16:43.000There's mountain ranges that maybe had 9,000 elk, now they're down to less than 2,000.
01:16:48.000I was talking with a guy from a conservation organization that deals with elk, and they're looking at the very Real probability of if the wolf situation ever does get under control in that area, of having to reintroduce elk into some mountain ranges because there's a paucity of breeding age females.
01:17:05.000Oh my god, because they're all getting killed by wolves.
01:17:09.000But you still have groups that are trying to stop the wolf hunts in Montana and Idaho.
01:17:15.000Well, the problem is also, I heard, you can't shoot your way out of this problem when it comes to wolves, in fact.
01:17:59.000I think if you get around a big pack of them, and a child happens to be in that area while that's all going down, someone sneaks out of a house, and they have a farm.
01:18:10.000There's a story I read online about this woman who was watching these wolves tear apart sheep in her backyard.
01:18:50.000Well, the real big ones that they're experiencing now, I mean, these deer are getting very large from eating all these elk and eating all these deer that didn't know they were coming.
01:18:59.000There's people that are shooting them.
01:19:39.000So you've got these groups that are out there trying to stop the wolf hunt.
01:19:42.000They want to put the wolf back on the endangered species list, even though the wolf is no longer endangered.
01:19:46.000The wolf isn't threatened in these areas.
01:19:48.000Again, these local areas that we're talking about here in the state of Idaho or the state of Montana.
01:19:55.000There is a way to try to manage the wildlife so you get that balance.
01:19:59.000But right now, what you've seen is sort of, it's out of whack.
01:20:03.000And right now, the wolf has the advantage.
01:20:04.000And we're continuing to give the advantage to the wolf in some of these states.
01:20:07.000And I think that's why you're trying to, that's where that battle comes in right now.
01:20:12.000No one wants to see, I don't think anybody wants to see wolves.
01:20:14.000There's just people, these unrealistic urban people, and that's really what it boils down to.
01:20:19.000The people that are really, almost all the people that are against hunting or against the idea of wildlife management, almost all of them live in cities.
01:20:31.000When people live in a place where you...
01:20:37.000And if it's not going to be a person, it's not going to be people, and you're living around these animals, it's going to be them.
01:20:43.000And that's just the reality of the food chain of life.
01:20:46.000If you're a meek person and you're wandering around through the woods and you stumble into a pack of hungry wolves and haven't seen an elk because they've decimated the population, They'll kill you.
01:21:50.000You should say, urban areas, a lot of people who grow up in urban areas, only live in urban areas, have very unrealistic expectations of what animals are.
01:21:59.000They have this anthropomorphic, you know, oh, it's thumper and it's bambi, and they don't understand.
01:22:21.000Eventually I like to get to the point where I can sell some, you know, we're doing heritage livestock and I was just discussing doing something like this recently.
01:22:31.000I was like, it seems like if you have resources and you could get a plot of land and hire people to take care of it and grow it and have animals that you slaughter there and have food that you grow there, why wouldn't you do that?
01:22:43.000If you could do that, why wouldn't you do that?
01:22:46.000But it drives me crazy to hear these people say, oh, but look, the pig is smiling, and the pig is happy, and the pig loves you, and how are you going to kill that pig and turn it into bacon?
01:22:56.000I'm telling you, the pig doesn't love me.
01:24:26.000GMO foods, and everybody's worried about like, you know, Monsanto, and they're worried about what's organic, what's not organic, and what are the standards.
01:24:33.000If you grow your own shit, you know exactly what it is.
01:26:00.000And I think that the idea of relying on somebody else for your own food ultimately is like, why would you do that if you have the resources?
01:27:11.000So he bought a 10-acre pasture, like a very unpicturesque, just like an irrigated pasture, and realized that his llamas would just inhabit like a back corner and wouldn't use diddly of this pasture.
01:27:25.000So just because he's just a pragmatic, resourceful person, and he thought it's out there, it's getting wet and growing grass, so he started putting out lambs, and he put out goats, and now he's got a calf out there.
01:27:41.000And this guy, he hunts so much, so he hunts all of his own meat, and he eats the meat he hunts.
01:27:46.000And he just puts it out there and takes care of it and makes sure it has water, and then gives all that stuff to his friends.
01:27:52.000Who come over and butcher the lambs and take them home and feed them to their kids.
01:28:18.000When you have an acre of land or whatever that is, and he's growing alfalfa, is that all you need for the animal to live, basically?
01:28:25.000You just put it out there and they just live on that?
01:28:27.000Well, I'm delving way into stuff I don't understand now, but I know that Camper, I speak to this better, that he's got alfalfa, but it's an old alfalfa field.
01:28:36.000So I think people typically, in some areas I know, replant alfalfa every seven years because eventually the alfalfa loses out to other plant species.
01:28:44.000It's my understanding, I don't know for sure, that there's a lot of animals, if you go out and put them on just that, I'm sure there's a lot of guys that know a lot about this, like, cringing right now.
01:28:55.000If you go out and put them on just alfalfa, it's considered to be, like, a hot food, and they'll overeat.
01:29:02.000It's too rich, and they can damage themselves if you put them out on just, like, pure alfalfa.
01:29:08.000That's interesting, because I read that deer that eat out of alfalfa fields are delicious, that they actually have, like, a little more fat to them.
01:29:14.000Some species can hack it, but I know, I think that I've been told that horses...
01:30:11.000Well, that's why, you know, eventually, like, what we want to do is to get into the business side of it and to start, you know, selling some stuff and really even, like, some of the vegetables.
01:30:21.000You know, I want to do a pickle company one day.
01:30:58.000When I was a kid, my stepdad, he was in school, and one of the agriculture classes that he had to take was like this co-op farm that people in the school all did together.
01:31:08.000They had animals, and they grew plants, and it was a pretty involved thing.
01:31:14.000And I remember even as a kid saying, what a cool idea, the idea that they all chip in together.
01:31:20.000Everybody does a little piece of something, and everyone communicates what needs to get done.
01:31:25.000And if you think about that, in a real neighborhood, man, You could have, as long as you had the soil and as long as you had the resources to get it started and then make it so it's self-sufficient, if you had a sizable piece of land and everybody sort of chipped in and you grew livestock and you grew plants and you fed them and everything,
01:31:42.000it seems like It would be so economically manageable.
01:31:47.000Can you imagine if we all got all our food from a lot down the corner where we all knew that this goat had eaten all this food that we had given it and you knew exactly where the tomato came from because you put the fucking seed in the ground.
01:32:02.000This is happening to the point we're in cities now.
01:32:05.000They have flatbed trucks that you can rent where you have a flatbed truck.
01:32:11.000They got a bunch of soil on that flatbed truck.
01:32:17.000And so what people are doing is getting timeshares and saying, I want to buy a share of that flatbed truck.
01:32:23.000Flatbed trail comes out, you garden it, you take your vegetables for the day, and it moves on to the next house.
01:32:29.000Also, they're doing it with, like, there's a lot of roof space.
01:32:31.000Like, in China, they built a whole city, I guess, where the roofs are basically planters to grow the food for the city.
01:32:38.000I just saw a story out of Chicago where they're using like some of the old warehouses and they're just turning them into indoor farms.
01:32:45.000Did you see those two CIA workers whose house got broken into in Kansas?
01:32:49.000The fucking DEA came in guns blazing because they thought these people were growing weed.
01:32:54.000And they were former CIA agents, and they were growing tomatoes and vegetables in their basement.
01:33:01.000They had a whole hydroponic vegetable system set up with lights.
01:33:05.000Well, these assholes drive around looking for a heat signature from your home that shows that you're using some extraordinary amount of light.
01:33:13.000Which mostly people are using to grow weed.
01:33:16.000So they come in, fucking guns out, and, you know, DEA, dogs and shit.
01:34:54.000The preserve is so tight, so tightly administered, that in most areas you can't walk around in there.
01:34:59.000And they have a guy that contracts to kill wild pigs.
01:35:01.000So this guy has a contract where he's supposed to kill X number of pigs every year.
01:35:05.000He can't in any way keep up with them.
01:35:08.000This guy that has his cattle ranch likes to hunt pigs, and he would always go back and hunt the boundary between his ranch and the preserve because there's such a great influx of pigs coming off the preserve at night, coming onto his ranch to get into less utilized land.
01:35:26.000But his dogs would chase him, and the pigs would promptly run back into that preserve where he couldn't pursue them.
01:35:32.000So he gets some hog-proof fence and builds a 400-acre enclosure abutting the preserve.
01:35:41.000On the wall of his fence that actually adjoins the preserve, he puts in trapdoors, hinged doors.
01:35:57.000And he kind of watches, and he's always out there checking for tracks.
01:36:00.000And after a while, he'll realize there's a lot of pig traffic coming out of the preserve onto his land.
01:36:05.000Then what he'll do, he knows that they come out, after dark, they come onto his ranch, and before daybreak, they drift back to the preserve.
01:37:35.000Not big, not like the ones you see on the internet, but a sizable 170-pound pig.
01:37:40.000And he puts it in a trailer, just to confine in there.
01:37:43.000We go out hunting again, and the violator, the dogs, bust this other pig out of a palm grove, they call it a hammock, like an island of palm trees out in the grasslands.
01:38:13.000One, the pig won't procreate, won't contribute to the problem that the preserver is having, and the problem that he has for pigs on his land, rooting his area up.
01:38:24.000And it'll do what he says is, take its mind off grass and put it on, you know, take its mind off ass and put it on the grass.
01:38:32.000And he says, in 90 days, that boar will be fantastic eating.
01:38:36.000And they'll have a layer of fat on it.
01:38:38.000So we cut the juggler on the castrated pig and kept it for meat.
01:38:45.000And it smelled great and was beautiful.
01:38:47.000The next day, we go out with the boar we caught.
01:38:51.000And they take a knife and castrate that boar and turn him out, knowing that sometime down the road they'll be lucky and catch that boar again, and he'll be a barrel, and then he'll be good to eat.
01:39:01.000So these boys do this every week, man.
01:39:05.000How do you secure a powerful boar's head?
01:41:04.000Okay, on April 25th, I'm cooking the caster, the barrel hog.
01:41:09.000Now, I have eaten boars with their nuts, but I've never eaten a boar that was as aged and as venerable as that one.
01:41:20.000You could tell that he was a very old, battle-scarred boar and very lean.
01:41:25.000And these guys, I might have eaten it and thought it was okay, and it might be that these guys have very high expectations.
01:41:31.000They pig hunt enough where they have a sense of what's best and what's not best.
01:41:35.000The same way that you might disregard half a hot dog laying on the side of the road, but another person might be in a situation where they really appreciate that hot dog.
01:41:48.000So for these guys who hunt boars a lot, The worst example of all time.
01:41:57.000And when I expressed interest in the intact hog, being like, I don't care, I want it, they were so adamant that it wouldn't be good that they were denying me getting it.
01:42:09.000And it wasn't because they were in love with the pig.
01:42:11.000They were like, no, no, no, we'll get you a good one.
01:43:21.000You can melt the fat and drink it and it tastes good.
01:43:23.000Now, the fat on a salmon bear, you really have to carefully, and this is in the spring when they haven't actually eaten a salmon in six months or something, you have to very carefully trim that fat away.
01:43:33.000Then the flesh becomes more palatable.
01:44:03.000Just like meat cooked to warm with salt on it.
01:44:09.000If I get an animal that's funky, and I killed a female pig one time that was probably one of the worst game animals I've ever done, A, I'm just going to eat it.
01:44:19.000For me, any displeasure I experience eating off-tasting flesh Isn't as bad as the displeasure that I would experience from having killed a big game animal and not consumed it.
01:45:34.000And I have fielded the question about what's it like to eat a coyote so many times that I started to feel like it was professional, like, malfeasance for me to not have a good answer.
01:45:46.000You know, to be like, I have- Professional malfeasance.
01:45:48.000We do not have a good answer to what a fucking coyote tastes like.
01:45:51.000Yeah, so it's like, as a professional development, I wanted to know, and we got a coyote, and uh- So you have to eat the whole coyote now, in your mind?
01:46:00.000We ate, like, well, there's a handful of us there, and we put the vast majority of that thing down.
01:46:06.000We put the vast majority of that thing down.
01:47:38.000I just realized that some ducks are carnivorous.
01:47:41.000I never thought of them being carnivorous.
01:47:42.000And even some puddle ducks, some puddle ducks or dabbler ducks, eat a lot of plant matter.
01:47:48.000So of the puddle ducks, one of the not great tasting ones is a northern shoveler.
01:47:55.000And northern shovelers eat a lot of animal matter.
01:47:57.000But you can take the best duck on the planet, in my mind, and be like, I love mallard ducks.
01:48:02.000But if you get mallard ducks in Southeast Alaska, like near my cabin, you can barely eat those mallard ducks.
01:48:08.000Because even though they're mallards, and in most areas they taste great, in Southeast Alaska those mallards in the late summer are just in there hammering invertebrates.
01:48:17.000So they're hunting the tide line, eating exposed invertebrates up and down there.
01:48:22.000And you get those ducks, and they taste like coyote.
01:48:26.000They're eating invertebrates, meaning clams.
01:48:34.000People who don't understand modern methods of farming and the way that animals are fed and the foods that they're fed don't understand the whole corn versus grass-fed debate.
01:48:47.000We've talked about it so many times in the podcast that people hashtag things, grass-fed, when it has nothing to do with it, they're just being silly.
01:48:54.000But cows are supposed to eat fucking grass.
01:51:43.000It's natural to make that face unless you've had four Jack and Cokes and you've been in that situation where you're really trying to impress a gal.
01:52:03.000I want Steve Rinello's take on this, if you've never seen this before.
01:52:07.000Ted Nugent and Pigman are in a fucking helicopter, and this is fucking crazy.
01:52:13.000It's now legal to hunt in Texas from helicopters!
01:52:18.000It is one of the most entertaining episodes of any television show I've ever seen in my life.
01:52:25.000It's watching Ted Nugent and Pigman take out wild hogs from a fucking helicopter.
01:52:31.000I'm like, this is some shit that after the fall of America, a thousand years from now, when they're trying to decode our history, they're going to watch that.
01:54:01.000By the way, you're trying to keep it secret, too.
01:54:03.000You don't go advertising and telling people, hey, listen, if you don't come down and take these things as pets, we're going to kill them.
01:54:08.000No, you're doing it on the sneak tip and people have to find out about it through the internet.
01:54:13.000And then on top of that, you're criticizing people that are hunting and feeding their family with what they know to be a really healthy animal instead of this mystery fucking chain of command that happens when you buy a cheeseburger from Burger King or wherever,
01:54:45.000You know, a thing that rings false to me, and, you know, I'm walking on, like, I gotta tread delicately here on the issue of the helicopter thing.
01:55:14.000If someone goes out and shoots a bunch of something because they're overpopulated for a rancher, it's like, in some way, you have to be self-honest, too, and acknowledge that you're not just doing an altruistic act.
01:55:28.000You know, like I enjoy to hunt, you know.
01:55:30.000So when I hunt on my buddy's ranch in California, I'm glad that he figures he has too many pigs.
01:55:39.000Because it allows me to go pig hunting.
01:56:22.000Well, it's natural to, first of all, the hunting them is natural, and the dealing with the overpopulation is a real issue for people that do have farms and do have ranches.
01:57:15.000But you're crazy if you like animals more than people.
01:57:17.000And the people that are involved Just for whatever reason, there's a certain percentage, it's not all of them, but a certain percentage of people that are involved in animal rights movements have a distorted perception of the relationship between humans and animals.
01:57:33.000And their relationship is not one of admiration or respect.
01:57:36.000It becomes what you were talking about, the anthropomorphic sort of a thing.
01:58:40.000All right, so I've got a little bit of a beef with Hoboken.
01:58:44.000Because when I was a kid, I lived in Ridgewood, New Jersey for a year.
01:58:47.000Ridgewood had a law in the books that said you could actually not play video games until you were sixteen years old.
01:58:52.000There was a ban on video games in Ridgewood, New Jersey.
01:58:55.000So as an eight-year-old in North Jersey, I had to go to Hoboken to a diner to play a German version of Pac-Man.
01:59:03.000So when I think of Hoboken, I don't really think of how to pronounce it.
01:59:06.000I just think of my My fond memories of playing a German version of Pac-Man with the name of the ghosts were like, you know, 18 characters long.
01:59:38.000And then a couple years ago when Corzine was governor, they put a stop to it again over the objections of the Wildlife Commission there in the state.
01:59:47.000And how do you get wildlife commissions?
01:59:56.000And how is that possible that that happens?
01:59:58.000You got it in California right now because the governor appoints So many people, and they're going to have so many hunters, and now they're going to bring a – they're going to say, well, okay, so the hunters get a seat at the table, but we also have to have the animal rights activists have a seat at the table too.
02:00:14.000But the idea that they're trying to – I mean an animal rights activist is automatically going to be anti-hunting.
02:00:52.000The issue is when states like in California where they're making illogical decisions like the lack of dogs in black bear and in mountain lion hunts.
02:01:01.000They're hard enough to fucking kill and to control the population and especially when you're dealing with predators like you have a responsibility as a human being to keep the population in control.
02:01:12.000I'm not saying you should run them to the point of extinction, but you have a...
02:01:15.000I think Every human in a community has, if possible to control predators, you should.
02:01:22.000There's a responsibility to keep a certain amount of control on the situation.
02:01:28.000And when you start doing shit like saying, well, you can't hunt with dogs, or you can't do this, or you can't do that...
02:01:35.000What should be is how many numbers are they killing?
02:01:39.000There's not a lot of mountain lions getting killed.
02:02:04.000I was just reading this paper recently where they were doing some work on lions, and they were thinking that with the abundance of lions in California, with the loss of hound hunting, that they would be seeing Californian lions going in to fill Ecosystems vacated by harvested lions in Nevada.
02:02:25.000What they're finding instead is in spite of all, like the basin and range country in Nevada, in spite of the hunting, is still able to produce lions and they're seeing lions going in a different direction.
02:02:37.000They're seeing lions going, spreading out displaced young males, spreading out from Nevada into California.
02:03:07.000No one has complete faith in everything.
02:03:10.000But in general, I have a lot of faith in state fish and game agencies.
02:03:16.000And you guys have all had the luxury, like I have to travel around the world a fair bit.
02:03:21.000And I used to have this naive idea that you'd go to a developing nation.
02:03:28.000And it would be that you'd experience this great abundance of wildlife.
02:03:32.000It's just in your mind, it's like, oh, it's like back in time somehow.
02:03:36.000You know, I remember like the first time I went to the Philippines to do a magazine story, I brought my snorkel, my mask, and I thought it would just be this explosion of sea life.
02:03:44.000You know, but in fact it's not because they use cyanide to fish on the reefs.
02:04:03.000The reality is, is that the US, we have very progressive game management, and we have like a hunter-based management system.
02:04:12.000In the US, when you factor in how many people live here, where we're at in a technological sense, where we're at in an economic sense, it almost doesn't make sense that we have the wildlife we have.
02:04:22.000We do a phenomenal job, and there's a richness of wildlife in the United States of America that's unparalleled by any country in a similar situation.
02:04:34.000Well, the U.S. also has been really responsible for many, many years.
02:04:38.000Also, if you want to buy timber from, say, Indonesia, our rules and guidelines for how that timber is harvested and where is incredibly stringent.
02:04:54.000No, you're absolutely right there, and we've had to use certain things to try to control other countries' abuse on the high seas.
02:05:02.000Like, we'll even go after people and be like, not only are we going to not buy your fisheries, but now we have the capability to boycott your electronics if you're not going to get with the program of high seas fisheries management.
02:05:11.000So, in general, in the U.S., I attribute...
02:05:14.000It's starting to sound like a documentary, but I'm saying that the North American Wildlife Conservation Model, which is a model based on creating abundance, So that you can have a limited, sustainable harvest of resources has proven to be the best system and it's not even debatable.
02:05:35.000And people don't understand that when they're in urban areas and they become animal rights activists and they talk about how much they love animals.
02:05:41.000They don't understand things like keeping deer population down so you don't die in car accidents because they don't have natural predators.
02:05:47.000Unless you're gonna go fucking like what they're doing with wolves and reintroduce wolves into your ecosystem and then what happens?
02:05:54.000What are you gonna control the wolves?
02:07:15.000Because I think that PETA is the clown shoes of the animal rights movement, but they're there in a way to be a distraction for, like, the HSUS's of the world.
02:07:27.000And everybody thinks that the Humane Society is your local dog and cat shelter, right?
02:07:32.000But nationally, HSUS, the Humane Society of the United States, doesn't really fund your local animal shelter.
02:07:39.000They try to raise money off of you thinking that they fund your local animal shelter, but instead, they're the non-clown-choose animal rights group.
02:07:48.000They're the suit and tie-wearing, lobbying, go to politicians.
02:08:41.000But I think they don't understand that there would be this insane imbalance in the ecosystem that would probably lead to the rise of predators.
02:08:51.000And not to mention the loss of humanity.
02:08:53.000I mean, you know, there is something innately human about taking your food.
02:08:58.000That I think we would lose if we grew our food in a laboratory.
02:09:02.000Well, I think your definition of human is what they want to change.
02:09:05.000I think what they want to change is they want us to evolve past this need to be reliant upon our primal instincts.
02:09:12.000And my thinking on that is always I understand the idealistic or utopian sort of pull in that direction.
02:09:21.000But there's also a reality about the time that we live in.
02:09:23.000Although we can see a bright future where we become beings of light who can read each other's minds and the internet is used to travel on, maybe that's the future.
02:09:33.000Maybe that's a million years from now, whatever the fuck it is.
02:09:35.000But reality is right now, animals don't live forever and they're delicious when you eat them.
02:09:47.000Like, the idea that you shouldn't torture them, 100%, I'm with you.
02:09:50.000The idea that you shouldn't psychologically damage them by leaving them in cages their whole life and then finally shooting them and eating them and...
02:09:57.000Yeah, there's a lot of bad karma to that.
02:09:59.000That would make me think that the people that would be the real animal activists would be the ones that want to encourage the natural food chain.
02:10:08.000You're not going to stop people from eating meat.
02:10:57.000And I'm a person who never did, like, eat their body away.
02:11:01.000I never did eat shit food all the time.
02:11:03.000I understand the direct correlation between nutritional supplementation, eating healthy vegetables, eating good lean meats, and feeling better, and your body actually performing.
02:11:14.000Especially in something, like, really intense.
02:11:16.000When you get into, like, jiu-jitsu, any kind of martial art, The stakes of you being good or bad are you getting your ass kicked.
02:11:22.000And that's a terrible feeling that every man wants to avoid.
02:11:26.000And you understand what's working and what's not working.
02:11:29.000Pragmatism comes into play when you're involved in anything, any competitive athletic, especially combat sports.
02:11:40.000Because if you don't, it's a difference between you just You're barely getting out of a submission and getting to a dominant position and winning, or you're tapping out.
02:11:47.000I mean, it literally sometimes is that close.
02:13:36.000I think they make a very distinct difference, a big difference between humans and animals, right?
02:13:42.000As far as they're concerned, there is a big difference because human beings have a choice.
02:13:46.000Our choice, we could be herbivores and exclusively herbivores, and according to them, even healthier than meat eaters, which I disagree with.
02:13:54.000I think everybody disagrees with that.
02:13:56.000And I read the China study, everybody.
02:13:58.000You didn't read the whole thing, by the way, either.
02:14:04.000You know you didn't read that whole thing.
02:14:06.000I'm going to quiz you on Chapter 8. The end is the best part, in fact.
02:14:10.000Is that where Pinocchio gets his Geppetto out of the whale?
02:14:15.000All you have to do is read the end, actually, because he talks about how industry hijacks the sort of – hijacks government agencies like the school lunch program and what the military feeds the soldiers into buying their food.
02:14:30.000And how they get scientists – they stack the deck and get scientists to say that 25 percent of you are fucking – Diet can be simple sugars because there's a lot of money in high fructose corn syrup for the corn refiners, etc.
02:14:44.000People don't understand how that happened.
02:14:46.000How all of a sudden the government gives farmers money to give them subsidies on corn to encourage the growth of corn.
02:14:55.000And it's not family farms, remember everybody.
02:14:58.000It's huge industrial farms that get the bulk And somehow or another they wash each other's hands and figure out how to slap each other in the back.
02:15:43.000Monsanto has bought up a company that was the leading company on bee research because those are the people that said that Monsanto's pesticides and all the shit that's in their food is causing bee populations to decline.
02:16:07.000I said that bees are such cunty animals.
02:16:09.000I hope that we make solar-powered robot bees that fuel themselves by...
02:16:14.000They have dicks that are actually vacuum cleaners and they just fuck real bees to death and suck their life out and burn it inside their combustion engine.
02:18:12.000And by the way, Monsanto owns the copyright on these, and nobody else can make their own robot bees, so you're going to have to buy robot bees from Monsanto.
02:18:20.000And like a real bee, they only last like a week.
02:18:42.000Was making, like, an exploration of the American West, and he was talking about, and he wrote for a while about the advance of the honeybee.
02:18:51.000You know, the honeybee's not a native, not native to this continent.
02:19:03.000Yeah, like, again, I'm escaping, like, not an aviary, but an apiary.
02:19:09.000People brought them for honey production.
02:19:12.000And they went feral very successfully.
02:19:15.000And he was, and this botanist describes, and he made his trip, like, you know what I remember?
02:19:20.000He made his trip in 1811 because his getting home was interrupted by the War of 1812. And he was on the Missouri when that great earthquake happened.
02:19:33.000The earthquake struck that actually switched the direction of the Mississippi's flow.
02:19:49.000He thought he was just going on a little trip, and it took him like seven years to get home.
02:19:52.000And all the material that Bradbury, all the material he gathered, like all the plant specimens he took, He got done and he wanted to take a different route home, so he sent his assistant.
02:20:05.000But his assistant gets home years earlier, and by the time this dude makes it back home, the assistant has published all the material under his own name.
02:20:18.000This really interesting passage about how fast bees are advancing and how they always keep pace.
02:20:24.000They're always out ahead of the frontier.
02:20:26.000So at the time when he was writing, he was talking about like the...
02:20:29.000Bees somewhere in North Dakota or whatever be saying, like, reliably, you know, we're in St. Louis in a strong way, and bees are 40 miles out, and the bees will continue to march across.
02:20:55.000It's an agricultural problem, and it's a sad agricultural problem.
02:20:59.000But when I think of wildlife politics and the well-being of American wildlife, which I have a vested interest in, I don't look at colony collapse disorder as...
02:21:10.000So these animals, or these bees rather, if they didn't exist, if they hadn't been introduced here, would agriculture be drastically different?
02:21:18.000Yeah, I would say so, because they're able to use them in such a targeted...
02:21:22.000A guy that raises bees is doing two things.
02:21:26.000He's producing honey, and he's providing pollination services.
02:21:32.000When I was in college, I worked for a beekeeper, and he would...
02:21:36.000All the while, he's collecting honeycomb, but at the same time, he's moving stuff around.
02:21:39.000So at the beginning of the year, he'd go down to Georgia, he'd truck his bees down to Georgia, and he'd do pollination services down there.
02:21:46.000And I think that it's just a way that you can do very targeted, very fast, synchronized pollination of plant species that if you were relying on native species of bees and native moths and butterflies, that I gather would take much longer.
02:22:02.000What are the native ones as opposed to the honeybees are not native?
02:23:31.000He goes, well, the tarantula hawk or the 24-hour ant that you find in Panama, if they sting you, you'll fall to the ground and scream for hours and hours.
02:23:42.000He goes, they call it a 24-hour because when you do get stung, you can't sleep, you can't drink, you can't eat for 24 hours.
02:24:38.000They find them, and then they communicate with the other ants in their evil cunt colony, and they find this poor fucking elephant, and they climb up, and they eat him ears first.
02:24:49.000Did you, you must have, if you're a cunt thing, because you know those guys, my boys in San Antonio who made this big promotional video for me that said, no cunts.
02:24:58.000You're coming to Brian Gallant, that squad.
02:25:28.000My point is that if we eliminated that from the world, and everyone left had to figure things out, I think, magically, 99% of the world's problems would immediately be eradicated.
02:25:42.000I think most of the world's problems, whether it's crazy, out-of-control bankers that are fucking stealing resources and robbing this country blind, or whether it's evil, corrupt politicians, or whether it's, you know, whatever it is.
02:25:56.000You get, cut all the cunty human beings out of that equation, And new resolutions automatically begin to show themselves and people automatically begin to try to find ways to work together and stop environmental devastations and figure out how to be profitable while still being ethical.
02:26:30.000You know, what people need to do is, your ego can convince you of some pretty horrible shit.
02:26:35.000Because we're in this, we're sort of a species that's in a stage.
02:26:39.000We're in a stage of not quite being animals, being self-aware, having the ability to communicate.
02:26:45.000Not really being completely fully, wholly enlightened.
02:26:49.000And there's a lot of things that slow us down along that way to being completely, wholly enlightened and enjoying this experience as brothers and sisters.
02:26:57.000And the problem is people that don't get life right.
02:27:00.000Whether it's genetic, whether it's behavioral because of their environment and the conditioning that they experienced growing up, whatever it is.
02:27:08.000Those people that don't quite get life right and are just fucking insulting and stupid and annoying and constantly creating their own issues, constantly We're good to go.
02:28:37.000I thought about that because I thought a lot of people, when you couch it in those terms, and I think as a human being you kind of grow up knowing in some ways that we are somehow a burden to the ecosystem.
02:28:51.000We are a burden to this world, the natural world, and it's something we have to steward properly.
02:28:58.000There's a built-in sense as a human being that in some ways you are a bit of an intruder, an interruption, and a burden to that which is life-sustaining.
02:30:07.000Yeah, because they, I guess they, they, it actually, there's like, there's a, I'm trying to find a video, right, or a photo of it, but there's actually people taking photos in front of it, like the families and stuff like that before it happened.
02:32:05.000One of the things that puts it into perspective is that a couple thousand years ago, if someone showed up on your shore, those fucking people were dangerous and you had to kill them.
02:32:15.000You were probably going to get raped and pillaged.
02:33:49.000Dennis, what'd you think of North Korea?
02:33:50.000When you have Dennis Rodman in your council, why doesn't he bring Dennis Rodman in and would the United States hook it up and just provide him with a thousand Korean chicks and just let him run it?
02:34:07.000Could you imagine if the North Koreans love Dennis Rodman so much that they let him become their king?
02:34:13.000And then somehow in some strange world he goes over there and then all of a sudden he starts giving press conferences that Dennis Rodman is now running North Korea.
02:37:26.000See, one of the reasons why I have very little tolerance with you when it comes to that is that I have my other good friend, Matt Lichtenberg, who's a huge wine fanatic.
02:38:51.000A vertical flight is you take a specific vineyard and you collect all the years from that specific vineyard.
02:38:59.000So you might host a vertical and it's like...
02:39:04.000Chateau whatever, 1920 to 1945, and you're going to taste a 25-year span out of that production.
02:39:12.000The reason I know this, and I want to do a shameless plug, my buddy Ben Wallace has this great book, The Billionaire's Vinegar, and it's about the most expensive bottle of wine ever sold, but what is good wine?
02:39:23.000Do we know good wine when we taste it?
02:39:26.000Well, if you get really old shit, most likely it's not good anymore, right?
02:39:29.000Well, the problem is, as his book explains, is the problem is The most expensive bottle of wine ever sold wound up being fraudulent, but it was purported to be owned by Thomas Jefferson.
02:39:42.000Steve Forbes owned it for a while and all these different guys owned this bottle of wine.
02:39:45.000One of the Koch brothers owned it for a while.
02:39:48.000And in the end, there's no one around who can go, I've had a lot of wine from that year.
02:40:08.000They put it in their corporate headquarters, and they had it in a box, like a glass-lit box as a decoration, but they had it standing upright with a heat lamp in there or a lamp.
02:40:17.000And it dried that cork out, and the cork fell into the bottle.
02:40:21.000So later, when people were trying to analyze what was in it, They can never rule out the intrusion of foreign substances, which will not allow them to find out what it was.
02:40:31.000The guy who created the hoax would take really good wine and do weird stuff to it.
02:40:40.000Like he'd put a little bit of vanilla extract in there.
02:40:43.000Or he'd put some dirt from his gutter in there.
02:40:45.000Just weird things he could do to kind of throw people.
02:40:49.000And then guys that are big swinging dicks about wine would taste it and be like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
02:41:03.000I got invited by a huge guy who owned a paparazzi company, and he invited me to a wine tasting.
02:41:10.000And he goes, I don't want, you can't really, he was trying to be really nice to me, he goes, I'm going to bring wine from my cellar for you.
02:42:51.000Like, if I drink an amazing bottle of wine, like, say, 500 or whatever, like, my friend made a fortune, and he's a huge wine guy like your buddy, I always describe it this way.
02:43:00.000I go, when I drink an amazing glass of wine, I say to him, I, I, the way I, the reason it's expensive, I go, nothing else tastes like that.
02:43:07.000That, that taste, that experience stands on its own.
02:43:11.000You don't, you can go, oh, it tastes just like this.
02:45:39.000They're kind of like, you know, with all the human suffering in the world or whatever, it's like, you know, I don't want to be a glutton in that way.
02:48:38.000And then there'd be a murder, and then the people in the reality show would be trying to, like, hide the fact that they killed one of the roommates.
02:48:45.000And it would make this, like, very gradual segue into drama.
02:48:48.000And I was like, that is the most genius thing.
02:49:17.000As he courted, like, an incredulous response in his viewership, being like, there's no way, there's no way, they didn't do that, that didn't happen, to, like, push it so far that the final tipping point would be that they actually kill somebody.
02:51:14.000I'm writing a blog about the entire event that I'll put up this week because I have pictures of Brian taking a shit outside and we put a flag, an aluminum foil in it, and we're going to offer money on Twitter, like $1,000, if anybody could find it and take a picture of their face next to Brian's shit,
02:51:31.000if you could find it on the Missouri Breaks.