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00:04:43.000I like This quote, powerful Joe Rogan.
00:10:48.000But they got stood back up again and bang!
00:10:50.000He hit him with a flying knee and knocked him out.
00:10:51.000And it was after that, he got his footing with a couple of good fights, but it wasn't until he went to England and fought in cage rage that that's when he became Anderson Silva.
00:11:35.000Yeah, and he's almost greater than a Guy Ritchie character because you would never believe a Guy Ritchie character really could be like a top MMA fighter and also one of the greatest armed robbery suspects in the history of the universe.
00:13:48.000What if this guy inspires other kids to live that way?
00:13:51.000Okay, but make no mistake about it, a hundred years from now it's gonna be an awesome story.
00:13:55.000Okay, two hundred years ago when you're not connected from now, like when we're not connected to it emotionally, it's gonna be an awesome story.
00:14:02.000But we study these people now, though.
00:14:03.000I mean, look at like, you know, like Bronson.
00:14:41.000He was very fast and very confident, very confident.
00:14:45.000You know, it took a guy like Anderson to sort of pick him apart, a guy who just was Clearly, Anderson's on some next level in every department.
00:14:54.000He's on some next level physical shit.
00:15:10.000It takes a guy like that to do that to a guy like Lee Murray.
00:15:14.000When you see Anderson at his best, it's one of the weirdest things, because you can't believe a guy can do what he just did.
00:15:23.000When we were there in Brazil and he fought Stefan Bonner, dude, that was like I was watching a movie.
00:15:32.000The guy just put his back to the cage and let him tee off on him, and then brought him back in, got to the center and brought him right back in, puts his hands down, stands right in front of him, and then when he decides to strike, throws him to the ground and buries him with one knee.
00:17:13.000I remember watching one of the HBO shows with Roy Jones preparing for a fight and it was when I was training at Legends and there was this shot where he was training to run DMC and he's doing his shadow boxing to the rhythm of the music so I immediately downloaded Run DMC and started doing it at the gym in the ring at Legends.
00:17:38.000Yeah, he was an interesting character.
00:17:41.000Well, it's interesting because what happened was then Roy, he looked spectacular in the Ruiz fight, but then he drops down to fight Antonio Tarver.
00:17:49.000He has to lose a lot of weight because he's a 205 pound, 206 pound guy now.
00:17:54.000I mean, he was a small heavyweight, but I think he still got above 200 pounds, which to drop all the way the fuck down to 175 again, that is a big deal.
00:18:03.000It's way easier to talk your body into getting bigger than it is to talk your body into getting smaller.
00:18:08.000Like, you have to fucking starve yourself.
00:18:10.000Especially in a sport like boxing, where you've got to continuously work for a long period of time.
00:18:14.000Yeah, he looked completely different in that fight physically.
00:18:18.000Like, his body looked deflated, you know?
00:18:21.000Like, cutting weight like that, it just ruined him.
00:18:24.000And then he got knocked out by Tarver, and then he got knocked out again, even scarier, by Glenn Johnson.
00:18:29.000And those fights, I think, are a direct result of him weakening himself.
00:18:35.000to drop down to 175 pounds or a direct result also of whatever the fuck he took to get up to 200 plus pounds not being in his system anymore and his system crashes.
00:18:47.000Which is what happens, especially if you're like in your late 30s and you're a pro athlete who's getting head trauma on a regular basis.
00:18:56.000Those are all things designed to lower your testosterone.
00:19:00.000You know, it's almost like nature has it set up like you can only get hit in the head so many times for it to start, okay, slow the fuck down, bitch.
00:21:04.000There's certain dudes that are like, John Jones can do some freak shit to people.
00:21:08.000You know, like, he can, you know, he's spinning elbows, people in the head, he's giant, you can't get a hold of him, he out-wrestles everybody.
00:22:10.000Yeah, well basically, you know, in the center of your heart, you've got like the regular pacemaker.
00:22:14.000It's a bunch of cells that, you know, they create electrical impulse to keep the heart beating.
00:22:21.000And with WPW, people have other cells in the upper parts of the heart that do the same thing.
00:22:28.000And usually what they would do is they go in, it's called an ablation, they kind of go into The femoral artery and they can burn them out and stuff.
00:22:36.000But people have that done when they have symptoms, when they have palpitations and dizziness and people have panic attacks and stuff.
00:24:02.000If I'm at 12 minutes into the fight and I'm full of adrenaline and completely exhausted and my heart rate can't keep up, there's a potential for the other one to take over.
00:25:22.000I mean, I started training with Mike before he even had his first fight.
00:25:26.000Um, and I was training with his coach and his coach had actually invested money in like bringing him down to Nottingham to train to like, cause he was a DJ at the time.
00:25:34.000I don't know whether most people know this, but you know, DJ Mikey B. And, um, you know, he was like in that, you know, the, the, the dance and the rave scene and he was, you know, all that kind of stuff, the glow sticks and shit.
00:25:48.000So, so my instructor like, like bought him a car and bought him down to Nottingham and like, Fed him and stuff with the intention of making him an MMA star.
00:27:02.000And they wanted to study this four weeks before the fight.
00:27:04.000So they wanted me to go in and have something put up the inside of the artery of both my legs and one into my neck so they can go in and try and find it.
00:27:13.000They put you under while you're doing this or you're just chilling?
00:27:25.000So the guy was like, oh, so we'll do that, and if we can find it, we can fix it, and then you'll be able to, you know, take a week off and then go back to training.
00:27:31.000Who the fuck thinks you can just chill while they send these, like, wire worms up your arteries?
00:29:56.000He's the kind of guy that could knock on your door at like 8am and you wake up out of bed all tired and shit and then next time you close the door and you bought three vacuum cleaners and stuff.
00:31:32.000So what's your opinion on fighters accusing each other of using steroids?
00:31:38.000Well, I think we both know that in every sport in the world where there's money involved, people are going to do everything they can in order to be victorious.
00:31:52.000There are people who hold principle higher than they hold money, and I know for a fact I had a long conversation with John Fitch once about it, and John Fitch, I guarantee that guy never used anything, ever.
00:32:05.000He's just, for him, it was a principal issue.
00:32:12.000A lot of guys have used stuff, and they've said, well, you know, I'm just trying to get over an injury, and I'm just going to use it to get over this knee injury.
00:32:22.000But also, look, you realize when you're around a certain, around a Certain amount of, like, really strong wrestler-type dudes, you go, okay, there's nothing I can do to keep this guy off me.
00:33:22.000That to me is a big one because that one, for a lot of folks who don't know, like young fighters in their early 30s even, even some guys younger than that, take testosterone, which is really kind of crazy.
00:33:36.000Your body should be producing testosterone in healthy quantities like deep, deep into your 30s.
00:33:43.000It starts to drop off when you start hitting 40. If you're like...
00:33:47.000But very slowly, because they're very small numbers.
00:33:49.000Yes, and if you're fit, and if you're eating healthy, and if you're sleeping right, you should be okay.
00:33:56.000So when you find guys that are like 30, and they're taking testosterone replacement therapy, you go, okay, what are you doing?
00:34:03.000Because what you're doing right now is you're putting testosterone into your body that doesn't exist.
00:34:07.000So does it not exist because you've been hit too many times?
00:34:10.000Which we both know is also a real possibility.
00:34:13.000In fact, this guy, Dr. Mark Gordon, who worked with James Toney, he's done a lot of work on that, showing how traumatic brain injury to both soldiers and people who do extreme sports, that traumatic brain injury has a significant impact on your body's ability to produce testosterone.
00:34:34.000So I could knock the testosterone out of somebody.
00:34:41.000It's not a situation where it happens in one night.
00:34:46.000It's a situation where you're beating yourself up.
00:34:50.000You know, I've never fought an MMA fight, but I've watched you guys train, and I see the amount of hours that it takes in a day to do a real proper six-week camp.
00:35:03.000And for folks who don't know, it's insane.
00:35:08.000And I think some guys think the only way they can get through that is with some help.
00:35:13.000Because if you don't get through that, then what are you going to do when you get in there with a guy like GSP when you know he has gone through that?
00:36:38.000They asked me to go up for a week to spar with him and I thought they were just going to take me in to beat me up a little bit and throw me out.
00:39:33.000The way people perceive MMA fighters or even jiu-jitsu athletes or kickboxers, the way people perceive people who compete in combat sports and the way they really are, it's so different.
00:39:48.000Like, my favorite people, some of my favorite people of all time that I've ever met have been fighters.
00:39:53.000Because there's something about the type of character that you need to have to be able to test yourself in such an extreme environment.
00:40:06.000And some people mistake it with being a barbaric thing because they think that somehow or another we should not be violent because violence is bad.
00:40:18.000And even though it's a competition and they both agree to do it and they can be respectful, it still seems like it's anti-societal.
00:40:29.000They just haven't experienced anything really intense themselves and known that there's only one way to develop real character and have confidence in that real character.
00:40:40.000That's why a lot of MMA fighters are interesting people.
00:40:44.000After a certain amount of time of being in the gym and being so focused on yourself, you become very self-aware.
00:40:51.000Usually from that comes a lot of self-confidence and just being very comfortable in different environments, which usually means you stand out because you put that out there when you walk into a room.
00:41:04.000And you're not worried about physical confrontation anymore, so you calm down.
00:41:08.000But you also don't feel like you have anything to prove either.
00:43:00.000Who was the fighter that while the referee is reading the instructions, he's like mugging to the camera with his big giant smile and gold teeth.
00:43:08.000He was another character right out of a fucking movie.
00:43:52.000And it was, like, one of the most high-speed, scariest rides I've ever been on.
00:43:56.000Like, he's, like, sitting in the driver's seat with a shirt with, like, guns all over it and a big chain with a gun on it, sunglasses on, and he's just, like, speeding, and every now and then he's, like, police track thing will beep, and he'll, like, hit the brakes, and I'm like swerving in and out and talking 100 miles an hour.
00:44:11.000And it's like two hours from there, isn't it?
00:44:13.000So I have four hours of that as well as a training session in the middle.
00:44:15.000I was exhausted by the time I got home.
00:45:47.000You could do San Jose, and then you drive for like 30 minutes.
00:45:50.000Well, I was going to do Oakland, but you have to take that stupid thing underneath the ocean.
00:45:54.000I was like, you already scared me enough to never do that.
00:45:58.000The BART? Have you ever done the BART in San Francisco?
00:46:01.000We were filming Fear Factor in Oakland, and I ate I had a pot cookie or something in my hotel room, because I was hanging out with the crew, and they were really cool guys.
00:46:10.000But, you know, I was like, I have this cookie, and it would probably make it more interesting to hang out with these people.
00:46:18.000I take this, it's not an insult, but they were straight is my point.
00:46:22.000I couldn't say, hey, who wants some pot cookies?
00:47:25.000If you asked me, do you want to go in a fucking tube that's under the ocean in a place where the ground moves, I would have said, fuck you!
00:49:56.000He's got this older woman, she's quite a bit older than him and less attractive than him, but he's young and fairly useless and like this fake guru type character.
00:50:07.000You know, there's a documentary, I can't remember what it's called, it's on Netflix, and it's a guy who, he goes out to, have you seen it?
00:51:10.000True focus and, you know, and on a path for a real, the pure sake of trying to figure out what this life is and figure out how to live this life better.
00:51:21.000There's so few people really, really doing that, that to even, like, attempt to do it is so douchish.
00:51:27.000It's intimidating to think for yourself, though.
00:51:29.000I think that's where a lot of people fall, you know?
00:51:31.000It's scary to think for yourself, so they want somebody else to do it for them.
00:51:34.000It is, but it's also we don't like people proclaiming that there is something more grand than the rest of us.
00:51:43.000We don't like people proclaiming that they're on the path to figuring it out where you're screaming in your car at a red light and you can't balance your checkbook.
00:51:53.000People don't want to believe that there's a guy who really does do yoga every day and really does find his center and it's made him a more joyous person.
01:02:00.000Yeah, I mean, it's like, I was up in Utah a couple of weeks ago for the Victory Dogs reunion, which is basically the dogs that were saved.
01:02:08.000I think they took 58. Some of them were euthanized because they were too bad.
01:02:14.000But most of them we're taken to a place called the Best Friends Animal Sanctuary and some of them will stay there for the rest of their lives because they can't be with other dogs and you know.
01:05:05.000But the idea is, like, a guy that used to treat dogs like they're shit and kill them, should we give that guy a second chance?
01:05:12.000But the thing is, I don't think he can change his opinion on his actions.
01:05:15.000All I think he can do is realise that other people don't find it acceptable.
01:05:20.000Well, yeah, there's that, but there's also that he, his culture, like, he grew up, like, from the time he was a little boy, like, they had dogfights.
01:05:29.000Like, there's a lot of people in this world today that still engage in, like, really regular dogfights.
01:05:35.000And if you are unlucky enough to be born in that environment, when do you make your own moral distinction?
01:05:42.000Like, when do you realize that this is a terrible thing?
01:05:45.000But even so, there's dogfighting and dogfighting.
01:05:47.000If you read Sam Sheridan's book, A Fighter's Heart, there's a bit about dogfighting in there.
01:05:53.000I mean, I don't agree with it, but it's a very, very different perspective.
01:05:56.000They care for the dogs, they look after them, they buy them the best food and really take care of them.
01:07:07.000What you're about to hear is a 911 call placed by hero Charles Ramsey after he found Amanda Barry, a woman who had been kidnapped for the past decade.
01:09:34.000Ten fucking years and thinking that it's going to be the rest of your life having these guys just fuck you, hold you down and fuck you every night and feed you fucking oatmeal.
01:09:44.000Some run-down house in Cleveland, you're a sex slave for the rest of your life.
01:12:09.000It was kind of like my reward for getting through the Dwayne Ludwig camp because that would have been a fifth loss in a row and obviously a complete change in career paths.
01:12:22.000So I put 12 weeks aside to dedicate myself to that fight with that as a reward after.
01:12:29.000A couple of days after the fight, I flew out and spent two weeks there.
01:12:33.000I did a tobacco ceremony on the first day.
01:12:36.000Two ayahuasca ceremonies and two San Pedro ceremonies.
01:12:44.000They basically make a drink of tobacco, coffee and sugar and they cook it up and then you drink a whole load of it and it's like a purge, like a detox.
01:12:54.000Like if you've got any kind of toxins in your system you throw up and you sweat and some people are crying and obviously there's all kinds of other nasty stuff that goes on as well.
01:13:03.000It's a way of like cleansing your body before the ayahuasca.
01:13:06.000Is it a theoretical cleansing or does it actually have a cleansing effect?
01:13:10.000Fortunately I've been in training camp for 12 weeks so I've been on a clean diet and I just kept my diet clean until I got to Peru because there's a special diet for the ayahuasca.
01:13:33.000Yeah, there are a lot of things on the list that I'm kind of on the fence about.
01:13:38.000It's weird because there's not really any kind of science behind it.
01:13:42.000I mean, there are some things that you can't have because they react badly with the With the medicine, but some of the foods are kind of odd.
01:13:50.000I just kind of go on instinct when I'm dieting for it.
01:14:28.000Well, you don't eat a great deal during the day.
01:14:30.000We had a light breakfast and then, you know, like a fruit snack around midday.
01:14:35.000And then after that you fast and the ceremony starts at 8 p.m.
01:14:39.000So the idea is that you go into the ceremony with intentions, the questions you want to ask.
01:14:47.000There's always this talk about ayahuasca, the spirit of ayahuasca, mother ayahuasca, and some people during their experiences have an interaction with a female entity of some sort, but I didn't.
01:15:00.000But the intentions are still very important.
01:15:03.000Going into the ceremony with questions about myself or my life or Whatever, really.
01:15:10.000For me, the answers just kind of manifest.
01:15:15.000I just kind of all of a sudden get an overwhelming feeling of the right answer.
01:15:20.000I don't really know how to explain it better than that.
01:15:23.000The problem is that I really feel like we've not got the language to explain this kind of stuff at the moment.
01:15:27.000We need to expand our vocabulary to To encompass all the stuff that we experience in these things.
01:15:35.000Yeah, a lot of people believe that what psychedelic states, even if they don't believe that you're really contacting the spirit world, what they think you're doing by forcing yourself to take a hard look at yourself, and address some questions that you might have one way or another but to do it with this stuff that it absolves your ego it removes the ego and in doing that it's a rare state that you get to get the fuck away from your ego but it really lets you get away from it to a point where
01:16:05.000you can see things so much more clearly and you can realize How much of the ego has really been sort of tricking you and deceiving you and making you believe that you're either something that you're not or you've gone further than you really actually have or your ego has allowed you to sort of delude yourself,
01:16:24.000to get by this very strenuous existence.
01:16:27.000And when you go into a psychedelic state, It allows you to bypass all that and see it.
01:16:33.000And that's where people don't understand that you can get to a mild psychedelic state from exercise and yoga.
01:16:47.000In sensory deprivation types, you can get to a pretty extreme form with no drugs at all.
01:16:52.000But the ayahuasca ceremony is basically known as the grand mal Of the psychedelic experiences, the most spiritual of the psychedelic experiences.
01:17:04.000It's pretty powerful in comparison to other things I've experienced.
01:17:08.000Have you ever experienced the raw form of DMT? Yeah, only once though.
01:17:13.000Was it 5-MeO DMT or was it an N-DMT? There's two different kinds.
01:17:24.000It's a very intense feeling of connection, and it's very, very potent.
01:17:28.000In fact, I think it's like, supposedly, obviously I'm not some sort of a scientist here, but supposedly it's even more powerful gram per gram than DMT is.
01:17:38.000But the DMT, the NM-DMT, is what you get in the ayahuasca.
01:17:42.000When you eat it, if you tried to eat DMT, there's a stomach chemical produced, you're Your stomach produces something called monoamine oxidase, apparently, and that breaks down DMT. So what these brilliant people that live in the Amazon have figured out how to do is mix the vine of one plant with the leaves of another and cook it all together.
01:18:06.000So they introduced a natural MAO inhibitor.
01:18:15.000Terence McKenna did, and he said that they always said that the plants told them how to do it.
01:18:20.000But, you know, I've always thought about this with diet.
01:18:22.000Like, people have been combining, like, incomplete proteins for years, like milk and cereal and rice and beans, and not knowing that those two things combined made a complete protein.
01:18:36.000It's like an odd coincidence, but ayahuasca is like the same thing, but way more extreme.
01:18:41.000There's a lot of folks that believe – I shouldn't say a lot of folks, but it's been speculated.
01:18:45.000I've read work where people believe that what we've created with civilization and with societies and especially with like modern societies where there's like – Mass speed communication it's like people are sending each other text messages and watching television is that we're missing out key information that is there in nature and that literally if you're in a natural state like if you're living in a natural
01:19:16.000state and you're away from the distractions and the madness of The fucking civilized world that there's literally a signal that you can't quite pick up anymore.
01:19:28.000And that signal is like a guide to get through life.
01:19:33.000Like the Earth literally does talk to you.
01:19:36.000Is that the collective consciousness, do you think?
01:21:06.000I'm sure there's some grand scheme that someone will send me a tweet about and I'll spend the next four hours festering over it.
01:21:13.000I think these are things that are potentially keeping us disconnected from this whatever we're missing out on, this language that we're missing out on from the...
01:21:23.000But I think that if you were living in the jungle and you needed to survive there, it is possible that you would at least have an idea of mixing these two things together and cooking them.
01:23:19.000Because you've experienced it and you know it's real.
01:23:21.000To Joe Construction Worker Lunchbox that's listening to this nonsense right now.
01:23:26.000You know, I like that Joe Rogan podcast, but every now and then, they go off the fucking tinfoil hat deep end, and this guy's talking about journey into the spirit world, and I want to be a shaman.
01:23:57.000It's real in a way where you feel sorry for people who haven't experienced it.
01:24:02.000But at the same time, when I first came back from Peru and people were asking me, is this something that everyone should experience?
01:24:08.000I was saying yes to everybody, but now I'm not so sure.
01:24:12.000I was walking through the Luxor the other day and, you know, God bless America and all the people that were pumping money into those slots and smoking cigarettes and drinking beers.
01:24:21.000But they need to do a lot of self-discovery without an altered state before they would be even ready for that.
01:24:27.000If you took them and gave them ayahuasca, it would ruin them forever.
01:24:49.000But it's kind of weird because the people that find their way to it are already in a place in their life where they're kind of prepared for it.
01:24:57.000I think that happens a lot of the time, but I'm not completely convinced that happens all the time.
01:25:03.000I've definitely heard of people having bad experiences or going there when they weren't ready for it.
01:25:07.000I think psychedelic experiences are incredibly powerful.
01:25:11.000And to say that people should or shouldn't do it is equally foolish.
01:25:16.000Because to say that someone should do it is like, how the fuck do you know that guy should do it?
01:25:20.000What, because you did it and you like it?
01:25:56.000Listen, there really are people, and there really are, that really do have a massive amount of power in this world, and they really do.
01:26:03.000You don't think that they've wanted to look into that?
01:26:06.000Like, why would you not want to look into that?
01:26:08.000If there's anything that could freak you out if you were in the Bilderberger group, you motherfuckers sitting around doing ayahuasca, talking to the great serpent as it breaks down your life and the kind of damage that you're doing to society and civilization and how unnecessary it is and how you're still unhappy even though you're doing it.
01:26:26.000Even though you're manipulating the banks, controlling the resources of the world, instigating wars overseas, and profiting off of it in some strange fucking shell game that nobody completely understands, you're still not happy, bitch.
01:28:08.000And then your brain gets locked in this stupid thing.
01:28:11.000And then the cigarettes, you're sucking on these cigarettes that these same people are extracting millions of dollars from the society by feeding people these poisonous fucking weed-filled tubes that you light on fire in.
01:28:39.000We live in a world that should be a movie, and nowhere is that more readily available or honest than when you have a psychedelic experience.
01:28:48.000Because when you see what mushrooms can do, or you can see what...
01:28:53.000DMT could do, whether it's an ayahuasca or a regular form, you realize there really is a magic in the world.
01:29:01.000And it sounds so stupid that if you haven't experienced it, you really wouldn't.
01:29:08.000And even people who have experienced it, they don't want to describe it that way because they don't want to sound stupid to people who haven't experienced it.
01:30:52.000Yeah, because the space that I always experience, you know, with the ayahuasca and, you know, other psychedelics like, you know, DMT or psilocybin, I always feel like...
01:31:04.000Like, the place I reach when I've had the right kind of amount is a very familiar, safe place.
01:31:09.000I feel like I've been there hundreds of times before.
01:33:11.000I mean, what a waste of LSD. I guess you'd want to be doing something creative, but if you were a serious pool player, that's apparently the way to get really awesome at it.
01:37:05.000In that direction in order to get just a large percentage of people that are at least willing to question the way the whole thing is built.
01:37:15.000At least willing to question the way they're living their own lives.
01:37:18.000At least willing to question what it is we're doing here.
01:37:28.000But we're running on, like Terence McKenna would say, an operating system and the one that we're running on is prehistoric.
01:37:33.000Everyone's trying to control each other.
01:37:35.000Everyone's jealous of what everybody else has got and we really need to get past that and realise that I don't need to be jealous of what anybody else has got because I'm good with what I've got.
01:37:45.000People are not finding peace so they surround themselves with things that they think make them happy.
01:37:54.000I think that the human race is in the middle of waking up and trying to figure out what the fuck it did to get here and what it can do moving forward.
01:38:03.000And right now we're still operating on what it did to get here.
01:38:06.000We're still operating on the ripples of the effects of everything that's gone on in the past.
01:38:12.000And so when you say something like that, like, yeah, I mean, people need to do psychedelics, they just immediately dismiss you.
01:38:18.000Like, you're all, oh, this crazy fuck.
01:38:57.000Like, before my first ayahuasca experience, I always felt like I was in amongst my issues.
01:39:04.000Like, they were surrounding me and I couldn't really see clearly.
01:39:06.000I couldn't get the pieces in order to put them together right.
01:39:09.000And as soon as that first ceremony was over, I felt like I could step back and look at all the pieces in front of me and, like, piece things together.
01:40:15.000And I think that, like, we were talking about this the other day, swimming in the lake, smoking weed, just kind of hanging out, and all of a sudden it all kind of fell into place for me.
01:40:27.000Like, there are certain people that make an effort to reach a higher consciousness.
01:40:33.000So imagine them as like bubbles on the table.
01:40:36.000And one of those people starts to drift off a little quicker.
01:40:39.000And that is going to create a reaction of the people around it and then they're going to pull up.
01:40:43.000And occasionally you're going to get like a Jim Morrison or a Hendrix or a Martin Luther King and they just kind of go and just pop and explode.
01:40:50.000But they cause such a ripple that they start to raise everybody else's consciousness.
01:40:55.000So I think everybody has a responsibility to raise their own.
01:40:58.000And by doing that, we're gonna affect the people around us.
01:41:23.000Listen, Dan Hardy, I know your tricks, son.
01:41:27.000But what you're saying, though, I agree with entirely, even though it sounds like dirty hippy talk.
01:41:32.000What you're saying is that we have to kind of realize that the only way to really enjoy this life is you got to not just bring yourself up, but bring up the people around you.
01:41:45.000And as they rise up, it'll rise you up as well.
01:42:01.000And I struggle to come to terms with some things like the way Michael Vick treats animals.
01:42:07.000There's a documentary I tweeted a while ago on YouTube and I apologize for anybody that watched it because it's the most awful thing I've ever seen.
01:42:27.000And my conclusion is that because it causes me to have a reaction, to have a feeling about it.
01:42:33.000So everybody that sees it, everybody that witnesses that, will immediately form an opinion and that defines them a little further to themselves.
01:42:40.000We have to ask these questions about how do we feel about that.
01:42:45.000I don't think that that's necessary and I don't want to watch that.
01:42:48.000Well, it also, the reason why that exists, the reason why those things can happen is that people are willing to overlook Normal human morals and values in favor of profits.
01:43:03.000As soon as the numbers, the one and the zero become the almighty, then you're fucked.
01:43:09.000Because then you're caught up in the wave of ones and zeros yourself.
01:43:13.000You can become just as disposable as anybody else.
01:43:16.000That alone should Get people recognize that.
01:43:21.000Humanely, if you want to get through this life humanely, you cannot only look at the ones and zeros.
01:43:27.000Because that's everything that's fucked up about the world.
01:43:31.000Whether it's war, whether it's manipulation of the markets, whether it's controlling a natural...
01:43:40.000And the people that have built this society around it, this operating system that we function under...
01:43:47.000They've kind of corralled us into a position where we don't have to make these decisions.
01:43:52.000We don't have to ask these questions about, you know, does the Hummer that I drive drink far too much fuel and am I having too much impact on my environment around me?
01:45:17.000But then on the flip side, you know, should I drive a car that drinks so much fuel so eventually we can get through this quicker and then the people that have control of the fuel will lose their power.
01:45:25.000And then we can start thinking ahead, you know.
01:45:27.000And then we need diesel to run our muscle cars.
01:45:32.000It's a finite resource, so maybe we should just get through it as quickly as possible.
01:45:36.000It is a finite resource apparently, but I don't understand how that works.
01:45:40.000I don't understand how much oil is left.
01:45:42.000The problem with one of those controversial subjects like peak oil is when you hear those guys talk, you don't know who the fuck is right.
01:46:32.000They're tired of picking people's pieces up and having people say, listen, you fucks, you can't be out here because it's dangerous and too many of you dummies get drunk and fall off cliffs and die.
01:46:42.000I think those dummies should get drunk and fall off cliffs and die.
01:46:45.000I think that's the way of thinning the hood without actually going out and shooting people.
01:47:07.000But let's just take all of the safety precautions that we have, fences around moving parts and crossings.
01:47:16.000If you can't make it across the street without getting hit by a car, another thing as well, and I have a lot of people that disagreed with me when I spoke about this on Twitter, 15 mile an hour zones around schools.
01:47:26.000If all the time, when I was a kid, I grew up around cars moving at 15 miles an hour, Why would I ever take them seriously as a threat?
01:47:46.000Yes, I agree with you, but to play devil's advocate, there's too many dumb cunts out there that need a sign that gives them an unreasonable speed limit.
01:47:54.000It's just they slow the fuck down when they're around schools.
01:47:56.000Like our friends that we're talking about speeding and texting, you can't have a 60 mile an hour speed limit in front of a school It's all driving, okay?
01:48:03.000Because someone's little kid's going flying over the hood.
01:48:05.000I wouldn't want it to be little Dan Hardy.
01:48:07.000Well, no, and it's an awful thing, but...
01:48:10.000Fifteen miles an hour is smart, because kids also are stupid, and they tend to jump into traffic, and they, you know, I lost my piece of paper!
01:51:23.000This is going to sound kind of odd, because I carried on fighting after the experience, but I kind of saw the futility in it, the pointlessness in it, you know?
01:51:31.000I mean, there's a British comedy that kind of captures it really well.
01:51:36.000They do like a parody of a soccer commercial.
01:51:39.000And they're like, you know, talking about Manchester United and Arsenal and they'll win and they'll see who wins now and then next year it'll carry on just the same and there'll be more guys that win.
01:51:49.000Like, I could be the champion for 10 years, but once that 11th year comes, there's going to be somebody else that's a champion and it will just continue on forever.
01:51:56.000And it's the absolute core of the capitalist approach to life is to actually beat someone down to take food out of their mouth.
01:52:06.000Which is really kind of odd, and I've never seen it like that before.
01:52:09.000Normally it's like, yeah, I'm going to beat the hell out of that guy.
01:52:28.000Can you continue with the same passion, having different ideas of what's important about fighting?
01:52:34.000Yeah, because, well, the one thing that I was really starting to focus on with the EMEA fight since I went to Peru, with the EMEA fight, and going into the brown fight as well, and this is the reason why I would at least like the option to carry on fighting.
01:52:49.000I would like to be able to get cleared so I can I don't think I'll go back to fighting three times a year and chasing the belt because my focus is elsewhere now.
01:53:09.000I'm trying to understand the distinction between the different areas of the brain.
01:53:13.000The reptilian brain, which is obviously responsible for all the aggressiveness, the instinctual stuff, the fighting and killing and all that kind of...
01:53:23.000That's the reptilian brain, the political side of us, basically.
01:53:27.000And then after that, then you've got like the old mammalian brain, which is where we start to make kind of like basic connections with people and understand that if we work as a group, we can survive better.
01:53:36.000And then the next level up is obviously a higher consciousness, is having deeper understanding, deeper relationships and communications with people around you.
01:53:45.000But there's a point when you fight where the reptilian brain takes over.
01:53:50.000And I usually feel it after I've been cracked a couple of times.
01:53:52.000Like when I was fighting Ludwig at the MGM, I was very conscious for the first 30 seconds or so of the fight.
01:54:00.000And then as I stepped in, you remember he cracked me with that right hand right on the chin, and I rushed him up against the fence.
01:54:06.000And immediately I switched over to instinct, and it's like being a passenger.
01:54:12.000It's like I have no conscious decision-making ability in that time.
01:54:53.000I mean, I just kind of moved around and backed up.
01:54:55.000And when I sat down in my corner after the first round, I apologized to my team.
01:54:59.000I said, I'm sorry, I just had to get that out of the way.
01:55:01.000But then the second and third round, I felt like I could reach that stage sometime where I just kind of allow my body to take over and just switch off and effectively just watch.
01:55:09.000Do you think that's what Anderson's doing?
01:55:11.000I think that's exactly what he's doing, yeah.
01:55:13.000But I don't know as he's aware of himself doing it.
01:55:26.000If you watch one of Vanderlei's highlight reels where he's got a few of his stare-downs, he immediately switches to reptile mode as soon as he's fighting.
01:55:32.000That's a great way of putting it with him, too.
01:55:37.000Those guys that have just got that, like, instinctual rage, it just kind of comes on.
01:55:43.000And this is why, like, you know, I've always kind of heard the term, you know, you...
01:55:47.000You maintain 20% of the things that you learn in the gym in the actual fight.
01:55:51.000When adrenaline and the actual fight is occurring, you only keep that 20% of what you've learned in the gym.
01:56:00.000The idea is, being in the gym, you train yourself to the point where it does become instinct, and then when the fight happens, you just switch to reptile mode, and reptile mode uses the skills that you learn to get the job done more efficiently.
01:56:13.000Do you think that becoming more aware or reaching a higher state of consciousness because of your experiences will actually help you because it'll abandon a lot of the distractions that you present yourself almost unknowingly?
01:56:26.000Yeah, well, it helps me in training and particularly when I'm running now because I used to listen to like Pantera and...
01:56:33.000And yeah, like vision of disorder when I was running.
01:56:36.000And I'd worked myself into like a rage so I wouldn't run to exhaustion.
01:57:21.000And the other thing as well, like, earlier on in my career, I would use music to anchor feelings.
01:57:26.000So, like, when I fought Ludwig, I used a song called Iron by Woodkid, which was the first time I'd switched it up from England Belongs to Me for, like, you know, a bunch of fights.
01:57:37.000So, like, for the 12 weeks of that fight, I was training with Frank Mir.
01:57:40.000We were going up to Mount Charleston and out into Red Rock and, like, doing hill running and stuff.
01:57:46.000I mean, you know, we really put ourselves through it for that training camp.
01:57:49.000And as soon as I got back in my truck after the session, if I felt like it was a good session, it was productive and I felt positive, I would put that song on.
01:57:57.000So I would constantly connect those feelings to that song.
01:58:01.000So then when I'm walking out and that song comes on, immediately I get that feeling again.
01:59:10.000If your focus has moved slightly off of fighting and you still are interested in fighting and you're still interested in seeing what sort of state you can achieve inside the Octagon, what else are you going to do with your time?
01:59:22.000Well, I've been having a lot of ideas.
01:59:26.000I've had a few ceremonies recently with various things and I've I've got quite a clear direction of where I want to go.
01:59:35.000I would like to be able to fight again.
01:59:36.000Even if it's just once a year, once every 18 months or something.
01:59:40.000And just have a fight with someone that's going to be a fun fight where I can kind of test some of these theories and see where I'm at physically.
01:59:47.000But I'm going to start video blogging my training sessions because I do all kinds of stuff.
01:59:54.000I do a lot of bickham yoga, a lot of hot yoga, trail running, Kettlebell sessions.
02:00:00.000And then I want to be able to go into the gym and work on specific things.
02:00:04.000Like last night I went into 10th Planet Van Nuys and just kind of had a roll around with those guys.
02:00:10.000And I enjoyed it because it was very, very playful.
02:00:19.000And obviously when you've got a training camp, I always felt like I was wishing my life away because I'm constantly waiting for a date that's five, six weeks ahead.
02:00:30.000I'm always in the moment that's to come.
02:00:33.000George was talking about how much he enjoys training in between fights because then he just will go box for like six weeks or eight weeks, just only boxing, concentrate only on that.
02:01:01.000I'm moving in an interesting direction.
02:01:03.000But I want to start kind of promoting more of an alternative lifestyle of what I'm doing, what with my diet and my teacher plants, medicines and And my approach to training and health, you know.
02:01:18.000I'm really, really focused on getting strong and flexible right now.
02:03:39.000I mean, it's better than not eating it.
02:03:41.000I mean, it's not that bad, but I think that it's been proven that when you see like red, deep red salmon, and then you see like the salmon that you get, like this farm-raised salmon where they have to dye it pink, it's been proven that that wild stuff tastes better.
02:06:56.000No, we were on flight paths for Iquitos, which is like the nearest airport, and like at 8.30 every night, so like 30 minutes into the ceremony.
02:08:10.000It was a cargo plane, and they think that the cargo shifted, the load shifted, like it wasn't tied down properly.
02:08:17.000And when that happens, if the load shifts, the plane just immediately, all the weight goes to the front or the back of the plane, and it just nosedived.
02:08:26.000We'll end on that for a nice, beautiful, cheery way to end.
02:08:31.000Just to let everybody know that you could defy gravity for short periods of time every now and again, but if you fuck up, or it fucks up, or there's mechanical failure, or...
02:08:54.000Imagine being on that bus driving past it.
02:08:56.000Oh my god, that bus almost got hit by a plane that fell from the sky.
02:09:01.000It's like a scene off Final Destination 16 or something.
02:09:06.000One day when we have magnetic UFO looking things that can't even run into each other because they have magnets on the outside so they go like this when they bounce off each other.
02:09:22.000They always talk about whenever serious physicists discuss the possibility of space travel, like interstellar space travel, like Stanton Friedman, like how could aliens be doing it?
02:09:34.000One of the things they always concentrate on is some sort of magnetic drive.
02:09:37.000The guy, Dr. Robert Lazar, he's an often criticized gentleman who claimed to work at Area 51. Whether or not that guy told the truth, I don't know.
02:09:51.000But he described some sort of back engineering that they were doing at Area 51, and it was some sort of magnetic drive.
02:09:57.000The idea is that you figure out how to use magnets or something to overcome gravity and to create a little hole in space and time and just fly around through that.
02:10:09.000Whatever the fuck I even said, Dan Hardy, I don't even understand.
02:10:12.000It shouldn't be legal for me to say what I just said, because I don't even know what the fuck it means.
02:10:48.000Because at least ayahuasca has a great body of Evidence to support what's going on neurochemically.
02:10:54.000Saying that you saw a UFO immediately become a silly person.
02:10:57.000All these like former military people, all these people that were air traffic controllers, pilots, all these people report these unbelievably unique experiences.
02:11:08.000I don't know if they're telling the truth or not, but if they were telling the truth, if just one of these things happened every now and again, of course it would seem ridiculous to us on the outside.
02:11:18.000The people sitting down here, it's natural to criticize it and make fun of it and laugh at it because it is kind of crazy to think that.
02:11:25.000But if just one of those is true, if just one of those are a real craft from another dimension, from another planet, If you don't think that that's possible, you're silly.
02:11:36.000If you don't think that within, from here, in every direction, infinite space, what does that even mean?
02:11:43.000We don't even know what the fuck that means, right?
02:11:46.000There's gotta be something out there that's further than us.
02:11:48.000I think it's ignorant to think that there's not.
02:11:50.000If we survive, if we, little pesky humans, figure out how to keep going for another couple million years, who knows what the fuck we're gonna figure out.
02:11:58.000To think that somebody else can't be out there.
02:12:00.000And what would we do if someone was out there?
02:13:10.000You can't discount the possibility of unique experience.
02:13:14.000But once you've had a DMT trip, aliens seem like so passe.
02:13:20.000It's just kind of matter of fact, I think.
02:13:22.000It's kind of like, well, yeah, of course.
02:13:23.000Well, not only that, it's like to have that experience, like a ship lands and they get out, it would be so less bizarre because it's all taking place right here.
02:13:34.000What's taking place also in the dimension that we're comfortable with, where we can walk on the grass and feel the grass, where we step on rocks, we feel the rocks under our shoe, your car is parked over there, you see the clouds above you, and then everything is basically normal except this new introduced element into your environment that you have to not accept.
02:13:52.000Fucking little dude from another planet.
02:13:56.000That's nothing compared to a DMT trip.
02:13:58.000Because a DMT trip, the dimension that you exist in becomes of vibrant, glowing colors with no background and constantly changing geometric patterns that are fractal and infinite.
02:14:10.000That's way crazier than an alien landing.
02:14:12.000But the thing is, we're in an environment now where, particularly with the internet, We've effectively seen most things.
02:14:19.000I remember when I was in China and I was walking down the street with a friend of mine who was a 230-pound ripped black dude.
02:14:26.000And these Chinese dudes were just in awe.
02:14:29.000They just stood and watched him as he walked down the street.
02:14:39.000You know, when the Romans were fighting different tribes and they were taking elephants with them, like when they took elephants to Britannia.
02:14:45.000There's a tube station in London called Elephant and Castle, which was, you know, this elephant crossing this plane with this dude sitting on top riding it.
02:14:56.000The barbarians that were living there at the time just lost their shit and ran away.
02:15:01.000But we don't have those experiences anymore because we've seen everything or, you know, we might see something that's a new species, but it's only a variation of something that's already familiar to us.
02:15:53.000Well, I guess we grew up with them though, didn't we?
02:15:55.000I mean, if you believe that human life emanated from the lower hominids that existed in Africa and came down from the rainforest into the grasslands, we would have probably been around them.
02:16:04.000But would they still not seem unfamiliar?
02:16:13.000I mean, essentially if you go anywhere where you haven't been there before and they have some new shit, you're like, what are you doing with fucking kangaroos everywhere?
02:17:48.000I always wonder whether or not, I mean, the grand theory is the simulation theory, that we're living inside some sort of artificial reality, and that the aliens really are us, and that's why we have this weird image of that being us in the future.
02:18:01.000We're already there, and we didn't like it.
02:19:02.000It's getting the internet through the space around us.
02:19:05.000You're telling me that that can't eventually be human consciousness itself traveling through space, through some sort of a mechanism for generating it or promoting it or projecting it?
02:19:36.000Somehow or another you've been affected by something that you didn't pick up with your normal senses or with all of your normal senses.
02:19:41.000You heard it and then you smelt it but you saw nothing.
02:19:45.000How do we not know there's not an infinite amount of things all around us all the time that we just do not have the ability to detect or quantify?
02:19:52.000So that's your argument for people that laugh at you when you use the term energy.
02:19:55.000Like we start talking about energy and stuff, and like, bros are like, oh yeah, yeah, whatever, whatever.
02:20:00.000Bros, yeah, bros are always a problem.
02:21:36.000We'll be back tomorrow with the great Daniele Bolelli who returns to the Drunken Taoist podcast to drop some knowledge about Religious history and how much bitches like an accent like that.