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00:07:54.000But I just got back from the Global Future 2045 conference in New York where I got to meet Aubrey DeGrey and all these life extension people and Dr. Amit Goswami that had been on our podcast.
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00:08:24.000And then at the same time, David Seaman, you got a lot of fuckery going on, man.
00:08:30.000We're starting to learn how much surveillance is being, what's the word, launched on the American public on a daily basis.
00:08:38.000Yeah, I just want to ease into this one.
00:08:40.000I feel like every time I come here, I have this hardcore doom and gloom stuff to share.
00:08:45.000And you guys are such a positive group in general.
00:08:48.000So yeah, it's fucking scary what's going on.
00:09:12.000But slowly but surely, it seems to be almost inevitable that you're going to get your email looked at.
00:09:21.000Well, what's so scary is Obama's over in Europe right now.
00:09:25.000And in Germany, they were really upset about these recent revelations.
00:09:29.000And in Berlin, he gives a speech saying, you know, now let me be clear.
00:09:35.000No one's reading through ordinary citizens' emails.
00:09:37.000We're not rifling through ordinary people's emails.
00:09:39.000And, you know, he says this on international TV.
00:09:42.000And he either doesn't read the news or like does not understand what his own administration is doing because that is what that program does, which is why it caused such an uproar.
00:09:52.000And similarly, 12 days ago, he said on national TV in the U.S., when this first broke, he said, no one's listening to your phone calls.
00:10:01.000That's not what this program is about.
00:10:03.000And that's the exact quote that people can look up.
00:10:06.000And that leaked court order from Verizon Business Services is proof that actually all of our phone calls are being looked at.
00:10:15.000And they say just the metadata, which means who you're calling, who's calling you, those phone numbers.
00:10:20.000Also, the duration of the call and your location.
00:10:23.000Like not even just what building we're in right now, but what floor of the building we're on.
00:10:30.000And just based on that metadata alone, I could tell, you know, maybe not me, but an actual trained analyst could immediately tell if you're having an affair, if you've sought help for depression or anxiety by calling a psychiatrist's office, if you're having, you know, financial problems, you're contacting tax consultants and all this shit.
00:10:46.000So within a few minutes from your metadata, they know far more about your life than the government possibly should know.
00:10:53.000Especially if you have nothing to hide and you're not doing anything wrong.
00:10:56.000It's just shocking that it was all going on and no one was speaking out about it until this one dude.
00:11:05.000And he comes out with it and now he's on the run.
00:11:10.000I was looking on the front of USA Today and it was in my hotel and it said like some, you know, 65% of Americans think Edward Snowden should be put on trial.
00:11:22.000Well actually the American people I think have been pretty good about knowing that they're being bullshitted right now.
00:11:27.000Like it's something like two-thirds want to see a congressional investigation, not into Snowden, but into these programs and if they're targeting Americans.
00:11:35.000And one thing I want to put out here before I forget about it is we keep the debate is like, well, should we do this to Americans?
00:11:42.000And it's a given at this point that we are absolutely 100%, no doubt about it, doing this to people in Europe, people in Asia, our supposed trading partners.
00:11:54.000I mean, they're not U.S. citizens, but should ordinary people who have no links to radicalism or terrorism, should they have their personal stuff rifled through by somebody who is an analyst at the NSA, basically a government employee.
00:12:06.000These aren't people who have taken years of training and they've lost their ego in some kind of like a Razzel ghoul ceremony like in the dark night.
00:12:14.000You know, they don't train on the ice and lose themselves in some greater cause.
00:12:18.000They're just people who saw a fucking newspaper advertisement and applied for this job at Fort Meade, and now they have access to an unbelievable amount of information about ordinary people all over the world.
00:12:34.000There are two theories, and I'll share both of them, and you can decide which one's true.
00:12:37.000So we know with 100% certainty that they are looking at metadata of innocent people.
00:12:42.000It appears to be all phone records within the United States.
00:12:45.000And if they're doing that here, you can assume that they're pretty much doing it everywhere, because that's what the NSA does.
00:12:49.000They're not even supposed to be doing this stuff on U.S. soil.
00:12:52.000But they're not supposed to be doing it unless they have a specific foreign target within the United States.
00:12:57.000All the stuff the NSA does made sense back during the Cold War.
00:13:01.000So if you'd have a Soviet agent come to the U.S. and you suspect them of doing spy shit, you want to have a way to tap into their phone calls while they're in the United States.
00:13:12.000So it made sense to do this kind of stuff back then.
00:13:14.000It never made sense to turn it in on American citizens.
00:13:17.000And that's why you're seeing whistleblowers now come out and say this is wrong.
00:13:21.000This is not the way this program was set up, et cetera.
00:13:24.000And yeah, so the two theories are definitely metadata.
00:13:29.000And then the actual contents of your phone calls and emails, according to some people, is being logged in NSA servers no matter who you are.
00:13:37.000You could be the most innocent person out there who's never even smoked a joint or looked at any kind of Alex Jones website.
00:13:44.000And you're still having your emails and phone calls logged on a server somewhere.
00:13:48.000And they're not accessed unless they have reason to suspect you of a crime and they get some kind of court approval.
00:13:54.000And then they access all your phone conversations.
00:14:03.000And if you're on their target list, then they're recording all of your phone calls and emails.
00:14:07.000But if not, they're only looking at the metadata.
00:14:10.000And what's so scary about theory two, which is the more conservative theory, it's not as frightening as the other theory.
00:14:18.000What's fucked up about it is that according to William Binney, the other NSA whistleblower, there are several of them, the way that you get targeted is once you're introduced to somebody else's community, you're now added to the target list.
00:14:29.000So just to give you an example, in the past I've had conversations with journalists who I'm almost certain are on the NSA target list just because they cover really sensitive stuff.
00:14:39.000So since I've had conversations with them by email and by phone, I'm now a part of their community and I'm added to the target list, which means that all of my phone calls are being logged in a server somewhere, the actual content.
00:14:51.000So if they need to, they can listen to them in the future.
00:14:53.000And by you talking to me right now, that makes you a part of my community and now you're on the target list.
00:14:59.000And if you talk to somebody next week, they're on the target list and it just keeps going and going.
00:15:10.000Well, you look at the justifications they're using are completely absurd.
00:15:12.000They say, if your communications are only U.S. communications, we are definitely not intercepting them.
00:15:18.000But, you know, if you have a lot of followers on Twitter, it's 100% certain that you've interacted with Twitter followers who are not living in the United States.
00:15:26.000If you've ever received an email that's like a spam email, it's almost certain that that did not originate on a U.S. server.
00:15:32.000It originated somewhere in Europe or Russia.
00:15:34.000And, you know, when you visit websites, most of the shit you look at is not based in the U.S. So whenever you do those things.
00:15:47.000Pornhub is American from what I understand.
00:15:49.000Couldn't you like just forward your phone number to a home phone number and then direct your text messages through a website that you know isn't recording your information?
00:15:57.000Like is there some kind of hack that you can hack yourself to a king phone?
00:16:02.000What's so bad about this from an economic perspective is there are already companies that are positioning themselves as we're U.S. free.
00:16:09.000You know, your data won't be stored in the U.S. It's like we're infected now with this out-of-control corrupt government.
00:16:15.000And what sucks about that is we're the ones who make this shit happen.
00:16:18.000Like cloud storage, innovative stuff like Facebook and Google, you know, content companies like YouTube and Stitcher and all this stuff.
00:16:26.000This is what we're good at as a country.
00:16:28.000And we export it all around the world.
00:16:29.000And now we're like tainted goods because you can't trust us anymore.
00:16:34.000Just for the same reason that a lot of companies don't want to do business in China because it would mean buying off a lot of people and dealing with a lot of bullshit.
00:16:41.000Now the U.S. is becoming a place where great people, great innovation, but the government is too volatile and you can't trust it.
00:16:48.000So that means that we're not going to be the ones who pull ahead over the next 50 years.
00:16:52.000It's so fucked up because if you talk to people that, you know, normal folks in America that will exhibit some sort of patriotism, they have an idea of what America is.
00:17:03.000Like everyone's idea of America, America is, you know, hey, this is a truly free country where a person is not tied down by their lineage.
00:17:11.000They can make something out of themselves with a lot of success stories, a nation of free-thinking individuals.
00:17:17.000We have all these like positive things that we attach to it.
00:17:19.000But goddamn if we're not governed by a bunch of paranoid fucking weirdos.
00:17:24.000Yeah, and they wrap themselves in the flag.
00:17:27.000I think most Americans are good people, obviously, or I want to be here.
00:17:31.000And it's not the people, and it's not the companies here.
00:17:34.000It's the government has gone beyond the bounds that were set out for you.
00:17:38.000Isn't that what happens when, like, if you have a paradigm that you've been operating under, and then all of a sudden that paradigm is just dissolving under you, like rising tide, and you know what's happening.
00:18:08.000You better keep your fucking mouth shut.
00:18:09.000We're going to keep running it this way.
00:18:10.000Well, what's crazy is the director of the NSA, Keith Alexander, General Keith Alexander, he was giving testimony before Congress.
00:18:18.000And I think this was either earlier today or yesterday.
00:18:20.000And at the end of his testimony, he didn't realize that the mic was still hot next to him.
00:18:24.000And he leans over to one of his aides and says, I need to buy your boss a freaking beer, talking about the FBI guys who were testifying in support of this program.
00:18:33.000And so, you know, at the end of the day, what he said, that's nothing wrong.
00:18:37.000Of course, the FBI and the NSA collaborate.
00:18:56.000So nothing he said was wrong, but just that single line that he didn't want the world to hear and the world heard has been analyzed to death online.
00:19:23.000It's showing that this is not a good system.
00:19:24.000Even if you have nothing to hide, maybe you don't want your future employer to see every porn website you've been to, every medical condition you've looked up, and every deleted text message from the woman you're seeing.
00:19:37.000It's just not their fucking place to see that in the first place.
00:19:39.000And then, why extend that power to a government agent who is just somebody who applied for a job and happens to have a clean record?
00:20:02.000And I think, unfortunately, the reality of our times is that things are moving in the direction of a complete elimination of all boundaries between people and information.
00:20:15.000I just don't know if there's any way to stop it.
00:20:17.000And when you find out that the people with the you can't say like the ability to like what the government is doing, they have to do in secretly, in secrecy, because no one is going to allow it.
00:20:31.000No one is going to say, like, yeah, I fully support you listening to every fucking email to stop the occasional.
00:20:41.000I mean, think about how many terrorism, how many terrorist activities, how many people die of terrorism, as opposed to how many people die just from drinking alcohol or smoking cigarettes.
00:20:50.000The government doesn't try to ever get you to stop doing those things, but way more people die from them than are ever going to probably die from terrorism.
00:20:57.000I mean, 400,000 people every year die from cigarettes, and you never hear the government talking about how cigarettes are the enemy.
00:21:03.000What they're doing is they're trying to keep people scared.
00:21:07.000And by trying to keep people scared, they can continue to govern things the way they're doing it.
00:21:11.000So the way to be able to check out all your email and keep everybody back on their heels is to say, we have to protect you from terrorism.
00:21:34.000Yeah, or that you smoke marijuana and you happen to live in a conservative state and you're a congressman who plans on investigating the NSA, they can just give you a little heads up.
00:21:44.000Maybe think twice before you say anything on that oversight committee.
00:21:47.000And I'm not saying this stuff is happening, but I guess my whole issue is why wouldn't it happen?
00:21:52.000If they've been this dishonest about the extent to which they're spying on people and now they're like, oh, we're transparent.
00:21:58.000Yeah, after a whistleblower goes to Hong Kong at the risk of his life and reveals these documents, then you're transparent.
00:22:05.000And then there's a credibility problem.
00:22:06.000It's the difference between you calling the IRS and being like, look, I'm a little bit behind on my taxes.
00:22:11.000Difference between that and them being like, what is this account and the payments?
00:22:36.000Well, then why are you treating this guy as if he's blown the cover off something huge?
00:22:40.000If this is no big deal, why did Senator Lindsey Graham say that he will go to the ends of the earth to track this guy down?
00:22:46.000You know, why are they treating him as if he's such a threat to national security if we all knew that all of our shit was being looked at anyway?
00:22:52.000Well, we definitely didn't all know that.
00:23:25.000Like, just to give you a nightmare scenario, 2016, let's say we get a president, what's his fucking name?
00:23:32.000President Santorum or President Rick Perry, somebody like that.
00:23:35.000And because they feel like this is a good way to gain support from the conservative base, they go on a morality platform, which has happened before in the United States.
00:23:49.000You know, we're a bunch of druggies and a bunch of alcoholics.
00:23:52.000So from here on out, we're not just going to continue to keep marijuana criminalized.
00:23:57.000We're going to super criminalize it and just eradicate it from the United States.
00:24:01.000And so what they do in that case is even though it wasn't illegal four years ago to send emails to your friends talking about the medical marijuana clinic that you go to in California, even though that's totally fine in 2013, in 2016, it's no longer legal to talk about those things and to promote that ideology.
00:24:18.000And all you have to do is do a keyword search in their database and find everybody who is sympathetic to marijuana reform and make their lives a little bit more difficult.
00:24:26.000Maybe hit them with audits or trumped up charges or anything.
00:24:30.000And when that happens, you're not living in a representative democracy anymore.
00:24:35.000You're living in a place where unelected people are people who have been elected and then corrupted are making decisions for you and there's nothing you can do about it.
00:24:42.000And you don't even know the decisions are being made until it impacts you personally.
00:24:46.000Yeah, and this is really a pattern that has repeated itself over and over again throughout human history.
00:24:53.000And it's really exactly what the founding fathers of this country were trying to prevent when they crafted the Constitution.
00:24:59.000They were trying to protect against this continual cycle of people getting to power and then abusing that power.
00:25:11.000And slowly but surely they've chipped away at it with things like NDAA or the Patriot Act.
00:25:16.000And they do it while nothing's happening.
00:25:19.000They're not like they're doing it while bombs are blowing up overhead and we need to declare martial law and figure out what's going on and lock everything down.
00:25:28.000They're just recognizing the tide coming in and they're scrambling and they're trying to find all sorts of new ways to get at data.
00:25:35.000But in the meantime, though, their data is being compromised.
00:25:39.000It's funny you said the tide's coming in because one of the best theories I've seen so far on why they're doing all this stuff was published in the Guardian newspaper the other day.
00:25:48.000And the theory that this one guy proposed is that the government strongly believes that economic and possibly energy unrest, so the price of fuel, as well as people's wages and their savings, All of that stuff is going to be an upheaval in the near future, and the reason why is climate change.
00:26:05.000If you think about New York City, if just the tide levels rise by a couple feet, you're talking about the New York Stock Exchange flooding out and that market being closed for a couple weeks to the minimum and total financial chaos.
00:26:17.000Not to mention all the people who lose their lives in the flooding.
00:26:20.000So if you realize how serious climate change is and that half the country, the sort of Fox News view is just to mock it and pretend like it's bullshit.
00:26:28.000This is happening and apparently the government is concerned about the unrest that will come from just one major catastrophe, that people will start to protest the government.
00:26:38.000You should have known about this beforehand.
00:26:39.000And there will be just absolute upheaval.
00:26:42.000So what pisses me off about this is if that's the reason why the government is storing all of our emails is so that they can pick out all the influencers within protest groups in the future.
00:26:52.000If that's what this is all about, it's fucking absolutely disgusting that they're using their considerable resources and technology to make sure that protests don't take off in the U.S. instead of using that talent and technology to prevent these things from happening in the first place.
00:27:09.000Let's figure out how we don't have a drought in the future.
00:27:11.000Right, but what you're saying is very general.
00:27:14.000You're dealing with a bunch of compartmentalized people.
00:27:17.000And so if you're attacking their specific thing, whether it's the IRS or whether it's the NSA, if you're going after their specific department, they're not going to think, you know what, we need to just put a man on the moon.
00:27:42.000Our grandparents put humans on the moon.
00:27:45.000And now we're just trying to fight the government to not read our emails.
00:27:47.000It's like we're moving backwards in time.
00:27:50.000Well, there's a lack of privacy that is just overwhelmingly apparent when you look at the future.
00:28:00.000If you extrapolate the future, the lack of privacy is the thing that people dread the most over the last few years, whether it's someone hacking into your email or someone spying on your phone calls or the fact that it now is completely a reality.
00:28:16.000That was something that people were really worried about for a long time.
00:28:20.000As it gets more and more invasive, as technology permeates your life more and more, it's going to.
00:28:26.000It's going to reach some point where we have neural chips, where we have a headpiece that we wear.
00:28:35.000But right now, it's only the government looking at it, so it's a one-way mirror.
00:28:39.000I really believe, I know people give me shit about this, and they think it's a very utopian way of looking at the world, but I truly believe that this new age that we're entering into, this age of complete openness, is going to force people to be accountable.
00:29:13.000It's not a good life to be suppressing and bullying and dominating people and using dirty tactics like reading their emails to control your political agenda and to intimidate your opponents.
00:29:58.000I've thought a lot about this, about why these consulting companies are working with the government to spy on American citizens.
00:30:04.000And they're even building similar systems for Middle Eastern countries where, you know, at least here we can tell ourselves that Obama will never use this against us and that there are these supposed safeguards in place, which really...
00:30:21.000The same companies that built that shit over here and maintain it are building similar systems in the Middle East.
00:30:26.000And those countries are corrupt monarchies that have no qualms about using it to do exactly what I said, to figure out who the protesters are, to pull them out of their homes and torture them until they stop protesting.
00:30:37.000And it's appalling to me that American companies are involved in this.
00:30:41.000And I kept thinking, how is this possible?
00:30:43.000Because I know some people who work in the defense field and stuff of that nature, those kinds of companies.
00:30:52.000And I think what it is, is this unconsciousness.
00:30:54.000You have people who are around that guy, Edward Snowden's age, around my age, who are making more money than they should be making, $200,000 a year.
00:31:02.000And just these assholes wearing khakis flying all over the world.
00:31:06.000And they're in a position of privilege, you know, airport lounges, attractive women.
00:31:10.000They make more than most people that age make.
00:31:12.000And they have access to extraordinary power.
00:31:16.000And they're doing this because they've been told that that's what you're supposed to do.
00:31:18.000After college, you should be successful.
00:31:20.000You want to make a lot of money, have a nice girlfriend, do these things.
00:31:24.000And so you're just in this little pool, this isolated pool of other people who are doing the same thing as you.
00:31:29.000And so you're like, well, my friend Tom, he's making $215,000 a year.
00:31:33.000So I have to do a good job on this NSA project to make sure I make $240,000 next year and can take my girlfriend to some nice place in the Hamptons for a week.
00:31:41.000And these people are not the ones ruling the world.
00:31:43.000They're just the pawns for the 65-year-old, 70-year-old dudes who actually run these defense companies.
00:33:04.000To make a good human is incredibly difficult.
00:33:06.000And until we concentrate on making good people, until we concentrate on the impoverished people in this country, this world even, I mean, until we look at the weakest link of humanity, if we really do look at humanity, we want to pretend we're humane.
00:34:25.000It sounds so cliche, but with love and understanding.
00:34:28.000Like, if we treated it that way and realize that we're not going to fucking be in this thing forever.
00:34:33.000And we now, for the first time ever, all have access to the right amount of information where we should be able to sort this out.
00:34:41.000We should all be able to understand what the fuck is really going on with human behavior, what's really going on with the way corporations can act as an individual, but yet no one inside the corporation feels anything that the individual is doing that's horrible.
00:34:58.000When they feel that way, they become a whistleblower.
00:35:00.000And then the media says that they're a traitor and a narcissist.
00:35:04.000This guy has turned down, by the way, the guy Snowden, has turned down every single major TV interview that has been thrown his way, which is pretty much all of them.
00:35:11.000So if he's a narcissist, why is he turning down all the press?
00:35:14.000He's clearly, and why would he destroy his life?
00:35:18.000But that's what happens is when you're in a corporation or in an organization, you see that the stuff around you is not functioning the way it should, that person's a whistleblower if they choose to step up.
00:35:27.000And instead of us being as a society, like, holy shit, that person did a heroic thing.
00:35:32.000They're for sure getting a big-ass book deal and are going to get laid for the rest of their lives because of what they've done for this country.
00:35:38.000Instead of that being the paradigm where we reward those people, it's like traitor.
00:35:44.000Traitor and you want to step back because you don't want to get caught in the waves.
00:35:50.000Like Thomas Drake, the other NSA whistleblower, there are actually several of them.
00:35:54.000Thomas Drake, his life over the past few years sounds like a movie, and it probably will be a movie someday soon.
00:36:00.000He was a senior executive at the NSA or a senior official there and saw what was going on, saw that it was deeply un-American and unconstitutional and became a whistleblower.
00:36:10.000And they went after him with everything they had, charged him under the Espionage Act.
00:36:16.000And now he ended up not going to prison.
00:36:19.000He was very fortunate in that respect, not to go to prison.
00:36:21.000But now he works at an Apple store as an hourly retail rep, just at a fucking Apple store telling people about the new iPhone.
00:36:29.000And this is a guy who was privy to the government's most sophisticated technological secrets.
00:36:35.000And now he's telling people how to refresh their mail.
00:36:43.000I'm saying it's a great gig, but if you're one of the smartest people in the country to the point where the NSA recruits you, these are not stupid people.
00:36:49.000So you're saying that he can't get a job anywhere else.
00:36:54.000Because other intelligence agencies don't want that person around when really, if you're not doing anything wrong and you're a big company or a big government agency, you should want to recruit people like that to show them off.
00:37:05.000You know, look, we hired this guy, so we're above board.
00:37:08.000We're not doing anything illegal, but they don't do that.
00:37:10.000Those people are kind of fucked for a while.
00:37:33.000And you're absolutely right that it's a real travesty, and it's sad that we all look at America as like one thing.
00:37:42.000But if you see at the root of it, like the people that are running it, the disdain that they have for the privacy of the American people is the rights of it.
00:38:31.000And that's part of the reason why I've become such a critic is covering these stories over the past year and a half, you see that his great speeches have almost no correlation to what he is actually doing after the TV turns off and he goes back to running his administration.
00:38:46.000And that's what really makes my blood boil.
00:38:49.000You just were talking about Obama before my phone dies.
00:39:09.000The trip, which begins June 26th, could cost $60 million to $100 million and could be one of the most expensive presidential trips in United States history, one unnamed source told the Washington Post.
00:39:21.000The higher estimated cost of this month's trip is partially due to elaborate security provisions.
00:39:27.000Resources will reportedly include hundreds of U.S. Secret Service agents and a Navy aircraft carrier with a fully staffed medical trauma center.
00:39:36.000Military cargo planes will transport 56 support vehicles, including 14 limousines and three trucks loaded with sheets of bulletproof glass to cover the windows of the hotels where the first family will stay.
00:39:49.000And my question is, is that a reasonable use of money?
00:39:56.000And this guy's a president of a constitutional republic, or is he the emperor of some high-tech dystopian society that spies on the whole world and deploys drones to countries that we don't like to kill people on the basis of this secret information we're obtaining through their email?
00:40:12.000And you start to wonder, like, we've strayed pretty far from the farmers in the 13 colonies who were like, we need a form of government that's going to resist future power grabs.
00:40:23.000We're in a totally different world from what they envisioned.
00:40:27.000Yeah, we're like super techno-gangster.
00:40:45.000It would take about an afternoon or two to bring him up to speed on the internet, podcasts, satellites.
00:40:50.000Once you do that, though, they're exactly the same.
00:40:53.000I guess I'm being kind of harsh on Obama, but I think ideologically they're exactly the same kinds of people.
00:40:57.000Well, they're not living in the same time.
00:40:59.000If they were living in the same time, they'd have probably similar behavior.
00:41:02.000You know, that's the thing that people have to realize is that there's so many steps removed from the person in charge of the country or the person in charge of the Army even and the brutalization that happens on the ground.
00:41:13.000You know, and Obama is very, very far removed from the brutalization that happens.
00:41:17.000In fact, the weird new kind of brutalization that happens where everyone's removed except the people that get hit.
00:41:24.000That's what's so strange about drones.
00:41:27.000The idea that someone could be nowhere near where this is happening and do something that causes someone to stop living and that it happens on a regular basis.
00:41:35.000It's the ultimate detachment from reality.
00:41:39.000And it's an excellent technological solution as far as saving troops and all that stuff.
00:41:43.000If you looked at it that way, if you wanted to be pragmatic on the side of Americans, but it's not that effective.
00:41:48.000It kills a lot of people that it's not supposed to kill.
00:42:29.000If you're actually propagandizing people and inciting them to violence, then you're an asshole and you really kind of get what you deserve.
00:42:37.000But we've now created that slippery slope.
00:43:03.000I think he just recently, I think either in Texas or in Florida, they're trying to make it a felony to even own Florida.
00:43:11.000Yeah, two pipes if you get caught twice.
00:43:14.000So that's why I keep saying that because that's a real possibility is you get somebody like that in the Oval Office and they have all these toys and they use it in the worst ways possible.
00:43:23.000And all you'll hear about it is Aaron Burnett on CNN saying some radical terrorists were killed last night and they happen to be in the United States.
00:43:32.000And most Americans will go, well, good.
00:43:34.000I don't want those people here anyways.
00:44:11.000Yeah, I mean, the whole us versus them shit, I think, is way harder to pull off today, though, because the cops realize that they're not the Bill de Berg group.
00:44:20.000They're not chilling with Obama, you know, eating caviar on a nuclear submarine.
00:44:26.000Yeah, they're not spending $100 million on their vacation, and their kids are not going to these elite schools.
00:44:32.000Well, it's not only that, they have to know at this point in time that they are the exact cops are exactly the same as the people they're arresting.
00:45:08.000Look at, I mean, we all assume that Obama was this like super awesome guy, and we all assume that he was going to go in there and switch things up.
00:45:35.000if he were to go through with just 15% of the stuff he promised on the campaign trail, you start to rein in these things that he was supposed to have done, then it's not too late to change things.
00:45:46.000But I'm not saying that's going to happen.
00:45:48.000I think he has already, he has shown us his cards.
00:45:52.000And whatever remaining shred of respect I had for the guy, I lost it after watching that press conference on June 7th or 8th, where he lied to the American people.
00:46:02.000He said, we're not listening to your phone calls.
00:46:04.000That's not what this program is about.
00:46:06.000A, that's lawyer speak because the metadata tells you so much about people.
00:46:10.000And B, it appears that you actually are listening to phone calls in a lot of cases.
00:46:15.000So either you don't know what your own administration is doing, which is possible, in which case you need to fucking fire those people and have an independent investigation into why they're doing something against your wishes, or you do know about this, and it's a total 180 from everything you said on the campaign trail.
00:46:30.000Like people always say to me, they're like, well, Bush started these programs.
00:46:33.000I don't see why you're giving Obama such a hard time.
00:46:35.000And I go, that's right, but Obama didn't say I'm going to be, you know, aggressively continuing the same path as Bush.
00:46:41.000Young people got out to vote because he said, enough.
00:46:44.000You know, America needs a clean slate.
00:46:46.000We're not doing this post-9-11 craziness anymore.
00:46:50.000I'm a constitutional law scholar, all that stuff.
00:46:54.000And then we find out that secretly the program has actually been expanding and bringing all these new companies on board to harvest our data.
00:47:01.000And I think that's when I lost that final shred of respect because I'd already been covering like NDAA and the growth of the TSA and all these things that I disagree with.
00:47:09.000And then you're like, wait a second, why are you doing this?
00:47:13.000You either don't know what your own government is doing, in which case you're bad at your job, or you do know and you're being dishonest with Americans.
00:48:00.000No, I don't necessarily believe that they would allow a new person to come in every four years and just run shit.
00:48:07.000And that's possible also, because if the NSA is doing what we now know they're doing, what if they're like, look, we know you have all these plans to do A, B, and C for the country, but we have these really kind of embarrassing phone calls between you and whoever his but enough to compromise him and or just maybe just seduce him with that level of well have you have you ever tried to do anything where you have to involve a bunch of people that also get to make decisions yeah it becomes a dick-swinging contract that
00:48:38.000I need to hang around with Red Band more often.
00:48:45.000It's real easy to get caught up in the hustle of how you're living and to not have the ability to step back and take a deep breath and look at the whole thing collectively.
00:49:01.000And what Obama and all these other guys are doing is just playing into the direction that it's been going.
00:49:08.000going and been going forever, but only going right now, at least, on the level that they can achieve.
00:49:16.000It has to be someone at the highest levels of government that can store all the data of all the phone calls all over the world.
00:49:24.000I feel like what they can do now by listening to every phone call and reading every text, you're going to be able to do in 100 years from now, five years from now, whatever it is, 10 years from now.
00:49:37.000I don't think there's any room in this world for secrets.
00:49:41.000I think it's a leftover thing that we cherish.
00:49:44.000Financial aspect of being able to spy on people around the world.
00:50:41.000Because people are fucking shady, and they don't do their part.
00:50:44.000And it would be great if we all made the exact same amount of money, if we all worked hard, but that's not where people's motivation come from.
00:51:16.000Once we find something that works for us, you keep doing it until it's been totally exploited and no longer works for you, and then you move on to the next thing.
00:51:22.000And from a survival standpoint, that's a brilliant idea.
00:51:24.000I mean, think about what it used to be like to be a human.
00:51:27.000It's great when we're all hunter-gatherers, not so great when there's 7 billion of us.
00:52:10.000The number of things that we need money to acquire is actually decreasing every year.
00:52:15.000So, I think a lot of people in this kind of like post-recession America feel like they don't have as much as they should have, which is 100% justified.
00:52:23.000But the fact of the matter is, to go on YouTube on your iPad and instantly view the best cooking instructional videos in the world or the best yoga videos, any topic you want to know about, probably the best brain surgery videos, all those topics are free.
00:52:38.000Whereas 10 or 15 years ago, it would cost you thousands of dollars for an Encyclopedia Britannica subscription, and that would only contain a fraction of the information on YouTube.
00:52:47.000The best podcasts in the world, like yours, are free.
00:52:50.000People are accessing them, paying nothing for this content that to get it in, you know, 15 years ago, this kind of content would probably be a premium cable channel, and you would pay $15 or $20 a month for it.
00:53:00.000So all these things are just becoming free.
00:53:02.000That's the whole internet business model.
00:53:04.000And it's going to get to the point where you just don't need to pay for most of the things in your life.
00:54:41.000Sometimes when I get high, it sounds so stupid.
00:54:44.000But when I get really stupid high and I'm just alone thinking, that's what I think of.
00:54:50.000I think of, I feel like we are just a few months away.
00:54:55.000It seems like, I know maybe it's years, but I feel like we are just a few months away from everybody hitting some new level of understanding each other.
00:55:05.000Have you noticed that everything is speeding up?
00:57:36.000But I think that with desperation comes innovation.
00:57:42.000And I think when you're in a situation where you don't know what the fuck to do, your mind will scramble and you will try to figure out a better way to live your life, whether it's start your own business, whether it's, you know, do something innovative, do something, come up with an idea.
00:57:56.000But through desperation, many incredible ideas have been started.
00:57:59.000And so many great people have stories where they talk about rock bottom.
00:58:03.000They were fucking eating ketchup sandwiches in their shitty one-bedroom apartment, and then they went fucking crazy and created a business.
00:58:11.000Whatever it is that takes you to figure out how to find your place in the world, understand this.
00:59:07.000You look at all the innovation in terms of people like this Federal Reserve stuff is bullshit.
00:59:11.000It doesn't make sense anymore for us to do things in this way.
00:59:14.000So you have Bitcoin is created a few years ago and other digital currencies.
00:59:20.000And the government, instead of stepping back, which is what The Economist magazine in an editorial said that the government should do is just leave this alone, let it grow for a little while.
00:59:28.000This could be the next, you know, in the same way that America made a lot of money off the internet in the 90s.
00:59:33.000Digital currency could be the next boom, or at least one of them.
00:59:36.000And instead of allowing this thing to grow and see what comes out of it, they're already cracking down big time.
00:59:50.000There are so many laws on the books in terms of financial stuff that if you're not one of the big three banks, they can throw anything at you until you run out of money.
00:59:58.000So in the Bitcoin example, they went after Homeland Security, which this is not a terrorist thing.
01:00:03.000So I'm not really sure why it's their concern anyway.
01:00:07.000But a bunch of nerds trading digital currency is not a threat to the United States.
01:00:11.000And Homeland Security froze the account that was one of the big exchanges accounts in the United States.
01:00:17.000Their Wells Fargo account, they froze it, which is like just freezing part of that network to get money in and out of Bitcoin.
01:00:23.000So Bitcoin is still fine because there are other providers who don't have as much of a U.S. footprint.
01:00:28.000But the fact that they're even doing that shit means that they are concerned about it.
01:00:32.000And instead, they should be doing the opposite.
01:00:34.000It should be like, we're going to give grants, government grants, to startups that are exploring digital currency because this could be the future of the world.
01:00:41.000And I'd rather see America be the ones to create it instead of it being created in Europe or as the case is with Bitcoin being created in Japan.
01:00:51.000We're losing out with stem cells where, you know, under Bush, we got all this retarded stuff about not exploring stem cells.
01:00:58.000And so other countries just were like, we'll do it.
01:01:00.000And now if you're a wealthy American and you want to get some kind of stem cell operation, from what I understand, you have to fly to one of these other countries.
01:01:12.000And that's money that the U.S. is losing out on.
01:01:15.000U.S. jobs, you know, it's fucked up just because our government is acting in this regressive way instead of what we're supposed to be about, which is entrepreneurship.
01:01:26.000But that's where the big thing becomes, like, what we're supposed to be about.
01:01:58.000I almost forgot we were on TV or on the internet or something, whenever we are.
01:02:03.000All this stuff that you say, like, I know that you're not, like, a cynical person, which is like really hard for people to believe if you listen to all the things you say.
01:02:13.000I wrote an e-book about how our future is actually a really positive one.
01:02:18.000And even this stuff that I talk about now, they're just road bumps on the way to what is going to be complete, I think probably complete abundance.
01:02:26.000We had to get through Nixon to get to Clinton.
01:02:28.000I think Clinton was a high point for this country.
01:02:31.000You know, there was certainly a lot of fuckery going on during the Clinton administration.
01:02:35.000And there was some, you know, it's not to say that people didn't die or there weren't operations that went on that I'm sure you or I wouldn't have approved of.
01:02:46.000But other than that, it was a time of prosperity, and it seemed like a time where everything seemed like it was going to be okay.
01:02:51.000And something happened during the Bush administration where everything went dark, and it didn't feel like it was going to be okay at all.
01:02:57.000And my perception of America and the world itself changed radically from the 1990s to the 2000s.
01:03:58.000We've become exactly what we thought they were doing, spying on all their citizens, trying to prevent dissent because they lived in a shithole country and they didn't want freedom.
01:04:06.000Or they didn't want them to get freedom.
01:04:08.000That's what we always felt about Russia.
01:04:18.000He was in an airport and these Spanish language reporters came up to him for their blog or whatever, and they were asking him about the NSA program and I think about just like the future of America.
01:04:27.000And he talks about, I don't want to quote him exactly, but he talks about how America has kind of lost its way and how we're becoming more like Soviet Russia.
01:04:36.000And for him to say that, because he's a super positive, like sweet dude, the co-founder of Apple, insanely rich, but still so down to earth that he'll talk to anybody.
01:05:18.000And now I find out it's just the opposite.
01:05:22.000And I just wish all these things I talk about the Constitution that made us so good as people, they're kind of nothing.
01:05:28.000They all dissolved with the Patriot Act.
01:05:31.000And there's just all these laws that say we can just sort of secretly call anything terrorism and do anything we want without all these rights of courts to get in and say they're doing the wrong things.
01:05:41.000There's not even a free open court anymore.
01:06:00.000Has anyone rounded up, killed, put in secret prisoners?
01:06:03.000When I was brought up, we were taught that communist Russia was the ones that were going to kill us and bomb our country and all this.
01:06:10.000And communist Russia was so bad because they followed their people, they snooped on them, they arrested them, they put them in secret prisons, they disappeared them.
01:06:20.000These kind of things were part of Russia.
01:06:32.000He's middle-aged, and he's seeing that this revolution that he was a part of, the technology revolution, is being used against people instead of being used to help people out.
01:06:41.000We have a real problem with the leadership of this world.
01:06:45.000And when I say this world, I don't mean in any sort of New World Order sense.
01:06:50.000I mean the leadership across the board, every single country, everywhere you go, every single leader of every single nation, we don't have a leadership that fits in with the psychedelic nature of 2013.
01:07:08.000And when I say psychedelic nature, I don't even mean drugs.
01:07:11.000I mean the idea behind psychedelics, when someone talks about having a psychedelic experience and, oh my God, it was like a psychedelic trip.
01:07:20.000What they mean, besides the hallucination aspect, is that this trip has transcended them, has moved them into this new place, has made them step back and look at it.
01:07:49.000Where we're going is newer booms, newer woes, newer connections, newer understandings, newer uncoverings of hidden truths.
01:08:01.000We're getting closer and closer to each other.
01:08:04.000And what the government is doing is the exact opposite of that.
01:08:07.000What they're trying to do is control, get people scared, control resources, dictate their rules on as many people as possible, make it so they can't be prosecuted for the same thing they actually prosecute people for, but never be called hypocritical, control all the resources.
01:08:27.000What they're doing is non-psychedelic.
01:08:29.000What they're doing is what the ego does when it's desperate, when it's sad, when you're trying to cover up for a lie, when you're trying to pretend you're something you're not.
01:08:39.000You know, if you think you need complete control over other people, that's some kind of weird foil to get around the fact that you're going to be dead in 30 years.
01:09:00.000Embrace reality in its broadest sense possible.
01:09:03.000In its broadest sense possible, we are all exactly the same.
01:09:07.000And I don't mean that in any hippie sort of a way.
01:09:12.000I mean that we are temporary beings on this strange course that no one understands.
01:09:19.000And we all have a certain amount of years to recognize that we're on this thing and that this thing is going to end and it's going to end badly.
01:09:45.000And if what you're trying to do is control resources and dominate people and make as much money as possible, you are just as sad as some kid who's born in Ethiopia where there's no food.
01:09:56.000You're just as sad as someone who is on an island that doesn't have any books.
01:10:04.000And the psychedelic society of 2013, the transcendent experience of the internet, the ability to communicate with each other from long distances instantaneously, that's very psychedelic.
01:10:17.000I was watching an interview with one of the engineers at Google who oversees YouTube.
01:10:21.000And just the process of a YouTube video uploading and then propagating on all their cache servers is kind of psychedelic in the sense that within seconds of your video being uploaded, less than that, like immediately, it's on servers all over the planet.
01:10:36.000Because when you go to a YouTube video, it's serving you the video from a server that's relatively close to you.
01:11:00.000It's a bunch of numbers that are being put together.
01:11:04.000And just the way he explained it, I was like, this is fucking insane.
01:11:08.000You know, like that somebody in their basement, somebody like the big famous video bloggers out there can put up their video and within seconds, it's literally all over the world.
01:11:17.000And if that idea has any kind of value, it propagates within hours.
01:11:21.000Like that Edward Snowden video was on the homepage of YouTube because so many people found it to be significant.
01:11:44.000Like, I'm sure the stuff they're using against Bitcoin, they're not using against Bank of America or Citibank.
01:11:50.000Yeah, well, the selective enforcement aspect of it is funny because what they're trying to do is they're trying to control judgment.
01:11:57.000They're trying to control the will of the people.
01:12:01.000They're trying to control the popular opinion.
01:12:05.000They're trying to control human beings as a resource because all the power comes through the human beings.
01:12:10.000It all flows from the money, from the taxes, from the votes, from the whatever, that you get into a position of power and you're the top of that pyramid, then you can enforce regulations and rules and change things and you can do things that people never want.
01:13:25.000I have this kind of science fiction dystopian view that when the NDAA was signed, and you know I was vocal about this non-stop.
01:13:33.000When that was signed, that was one of these branches or forks in history where we should have all come out.
01:13:39.000We should have all came out and protested.
01:13:41.000And people who had positions of power, you know, TV anchors and senators who were not compromised by their own parties, should have said, this is fucking bullshit.
01:13:49.000Since when can you imprison American citizens without a trial on the basis of suspicion alone?
01:15:08.000If you go to a Walmart and you slip on the floor because the floor is dirty and wet, you write a letter to the CEO, even though he wasn't personally there to mop that floor.
01:15:16.000And the same way, Obama is the figurehead for this federal government in its current form.
01:15:21.000So if we can't place the blame there, if we can't petition him to make things better, who can we petition?
01:15:26.000Well, that's a good question, but I think that it's impossible at this point in the game to control the whole thing.
01:15:34.000There's no way he could have his fingers in every hole in the dike.
01:16:18.000The idea that we have an Obama in the first place, that we have a president, that we have one dude.
01:16:22.000This is some weird ancient alpha male chimpanzee bullshit.
01:16:26.000That we have a human being that we spend hundreds of millions of dollars of our collective taxpayer money to fly that person somewhere else with 14 limousines and bulletproof glass everywhere.
01:16:36.000It's like some kind of fetishization of a personality.
01:16:41.000You know, it's one thing to have celebrities because at the end of the day, celebrities are chosen by us.
01:16:46.000You know, that's what it comes down to is we choose who we want to focus an unhealthy amount of attention on, like the Kardashians.
01:16:55.000But how many people are actively choosing to pay for somebody like Obama?
01:16:58.000Or by the way, President Bush took expensive vacations also.
01:17:03.000Who exactly decided this kind of imperial system we have now where you're vesting so much power in that one person, and yet, like you said, this makes a lot of sense.
01:17:13.000That person doesn't have all that much influence to actually change course.
01:17:17.000So then why are we treating them like they're a god?
01:17:39.000Sounds like, you know, sounds like hippie nonsense, but I really think just logically, if it's not mushrooms, we need something that brings us all together.
01:17:50.000One of my most profound psychedelic experiences I ever had was on ecstasy, and I only did it once because the rebound of it was way too strong.
01:18:23.000The point is, it was profound, and it made me understand a lot about insecurities, mine and other people's, about love and about what's possible if you're warm.
01:18:36.000You know, the warmth and friendliness and happiness, that shit is contagious.
01:19:10.000Along the way, a lot of you motherfuckers are probably going to wind up getting busted doing something stupid.
01:19:14.000You know, there's probably a lot of people right now that have like gambling problems or, you know, prostitution problems or, you know, X, fill in the blank.
01:19:28.000But I think ultimately it's the best thing for everybody that we are moving in a way, and this is very science fiction utopian, but we're moving in a way where we're going to merge consciousness.
01:19:41.000That seems to me to be the only step that's at the end of this path.
01:19:46.000If you look at what's going on, the complete lack of privacy that we now have in regards to the way we interface with the government.
01:20:11.000Well, the only thing that comes after that is some sort of a convergence of consciousness.
01:20:14.000It's going to be, whether it's technologically created or whether it's biologically induced as the next step in evolution, whatever the fuck it is.
01:20:23.000It seems like that's where it's going.
01:20:33.000We could just like seriously turn off our phone and then we're off the map.
01:20:36.000I honestly think the only thing that would get more than a few random weirdos to unplug is a cataclysmic disaster.
01:20:44.000Something that wipes out cell phone signals, a massive solar flare that torches every satellite, makes us start from scratch, whatever it is, something that fries every fucking electrical system all over the globe.
01:20:55.000I've had weirdos contact me and they're like, I would like to share your stuff, but I don't use Facebook because of the, you know, they track you.
01:21:02.000I'm like, oh, well, you can, you know, you can post it on Twitter, I guess, or whatever.
01:21:06.000Like, you could post it on message board.
01:21:08.000Like, well, I use Tor encryption or I use the Tor browser.
01:21:11.000I don't like to go to websites too frequently.
01:21:13.000And you're like, then just don't fucking live.
01:21:14.000You know, like, if you're going to be that paranoid, that you think that Twitter and Facebook are concerned about everything you're posting.
01:21:20.000Well, not only that, and you have no influence.
01:21:49.000And I was talking to this lesbian the other day, and she's like, yeah, I broke up with this girl that was in a relationship for a long time, and I went right to having dick, you know, for like a month, and then I went right back to lesbian.
01:23:11.000So people take up other people's phrases.
01:23:13.000People say powerful now because of what you say.
01:23:16.000And on Reddit, this guy was complaining that his college roommate was one of those people who just absorbs all the social stuff around him and uses other people's phrases immediately.
01:25:51.000They're all riding around in model teas and fucking, you know, I mean, just imagine what it would have been like to be around some people that just survived.
01:26:01.000That's why I like to watch Boardwalk Empire because you're seeing, I mean, it's probably glamorized, obviously, but it's just entertaining as hell to see people in that time period.
01:26:10.000That's a brilliant show, but it is probably glamorized.
01:26:12.000That's the problem with anything in regards to history.
01:26:41.000Like, I saw a black and white photo set of these guys getting their after-work drinks at some pub in England.
01:26:50.000And so that, to me, seemed like an accurate picture of what was happening then, because you see that these dudes are just drinking after work.
01:26:57.000No cell phones on the table, no bullshit.
01:26:59.000Just like average work, because you don't have any technology back then.
01:27:03.000And you could see that their clothes were not as polished as you see in all the movies from that era.
01:27:53.000I'm not saying I'd be cool with it, but look at the fact that when this iPhone dies, it's going to be picked apart by some child and somewhere in India, some trash heap for the precious metals inside it.
01:28:38.000It's like we just, we have a short amount of time here.
01:28:41.000I think about how weird it is that all those people smoked constantly.
01:28:44.000So even like the hottest girl you'd hook up with is somebody who's smoking a couple packs a day, has like lines all over their face from just non-stop smoking all the time.
01:28:54.000Have you ever met someone and then you saw them again in like five years and it was like a hundred years had gone by?
01:29:15.000It might be in a way because you relax a little bit and maybe you feel a little bit more positive energy and that counteracts all the cuntiness in the world.
01:29:23.000You know, there's definitely some benefit to alcohol, but you're poisoning yourself.
01:30:19.000Then when you take coffee with grass-fed butter and MCT oil.
01:30:24.000Yeah, they talk about the MCT oil here.
01:30:26.000What it does is it makes it a slower digestible thing.
01:30:30.000Like it takes a longer time for your body to process it.
01:30:34.000Whereas if you have just like a Venti Starbucks black, that goes like right in your bloodstream, son.
01:30:41.000Yeah, when you have bulletproof coffee, if you have grass-fed butter and MCT oil, you're going to get a lot more calories, and it's a lot fatter, and it's all blended together.
01:30:50.000And so it will take hours for your body to digest that as opposed to just the straight coffee.
01:31:26.000So if you don't have an issue with cholesterol, I wouldn't think there's anything wrong with bulletproof coffee.
01:31:33.000But if you do have an issue with cholesterol, you're dealing with, even though everybody says it's healthy cholesterol, we live in a strange world.
01:31:40.000And some people have like real health problems with all sorts of things that for other folks would be no problem whatsoever.
01:31:46.000So if you're thinking about taking, you know, bulletproof coffee, you know, look into it.
01:31:51.000Find out where you're, you know, where your body's at, unless you know you're okay.
01:31:55.000But if you're okay with high cholesterol foods or high calorie foods, the benefit of the bulletproof coffee recipe is that it takes a longer time for you to digest it.
01:32:06.000So basically, it said all the benefits of coffee with a slower digestion period.
01:32:12.000So there's nothing mysterious about it.
01:34:22.000It's the same with the same with eggs, I think.
01:34:25.000If you get the regular cheap eggs, they have thin shells, not as much omega-3s versus the more expensive, like cage-free all the colours.
01:34:33.000Cage-free is what you want because they're roaming around and they're eating grass.
01:34:38.000If you can get a chicken that's eating grass, that's a chicken that's healthy.
01:34:41.000But somewhere along the line, somebody figured out, well, we can make more money if we just stack them in like apartment complexes and shove all these chickens in these little boxes and force feed them.
01:35:04.000They want to be able to go to McDonald's.
01:35:06.000And they want to be able to just give their money and get their food and be done with it.
01:35:10.000And when you have that, then you're going to have this.
01:35:13.000You're going to have a regular person is not going to be able to just produce for themselves or for a small group of people.
01:35:20.000They're going to have to produce for thousands, maybe even millions.
01:35:23.000And so when a company or a person or a business is producing all this food for millions of people and these millions of people can just pull into these stops with their cars, what you've got is madness.
01:35:33.000You've got this massive disconnect from responsibility.
01:35:37.000To make money off of shit that is that cheap to begin with, you have to be working with really cheap materials.
01:35:42.000So you're cutting costs wherever you can.
01:35:45.000I mean, if you're buying a $3 cheeseburger, what the fuck are you going to do?
01:37:02.000I think one of the most fun things to do is sit down with people that you're interested in, have like a nice solid dinner, even if it's just a burger or something.
01:37:09.000But now you're in your car by yourself.
01:37:11.000You know, you park because you don't want to be on the highway while you're trying to down this thing.
01:37:15.000You park, you're in your car by yourself, just eating something like an animal.
01:37:19.000Like just trying to consume these shitty calories as quickly as possible so you can get on your way.
01:37:26.000While we're talking about health stuff, I wanted to ask you about flotation tanks Because I did one in Florida recently for the first time.
01:37:33.000I liked it a lot, but I didn't get any of the cool visuals that were talked about on the videos.
01:37:44.000Toward the end, I saw a dull white flash on my right side, and I thought that somebody had opened the tank, but it was just like me, I guess, fantasizing about the tank being opened because I knew that it was around that time.
01:37:58.000But other than that, there were no visuals at all.
01:38:00.000Yeah, I didn't have much visualizations the first time I did it.
01:39:58.000So if your wife or girlfriend is looking for your computer, last thing she wants to click on is your boring tax return, so it gets skipped over.
01:40:05.000A friend of mine would just put it under golf.
01:40:09.000It's like, my girlfriend ain't going to look at golf.
01:40:11.000All you have to do is put it in a folder and change the file extension from a folder to like a JPEG and call it something like sample.jpg and then when you try to click on it, nothing will happen because there'll be an error.
01:40:21.000And then when you want to look at your porn, it can switch it back to the folder.
01:40:47.000I'm not somebody who, when you hang out with me, I'm complaining about everything because I think 98% of human existence and probably like 99% of human existence in the United States is amazing.
01:40:57.000You know, I have access to so much entertainment, so much cool shit to do constantly that there's no, if you're bored and you're over the age of 18, it's your own fault, you know?
01:41:05.000But I was watching this lecture that Glenn Greenwald gave at Hampshire College and the videos on YouTube.
01:41:32.000And you would think a guy like that would be really cynical by breaking all these terrible stories about abuses at Guantanamo and all this stuff.
01:41:39.000But he said in his lecture, he was like, the one thing we have to keep in mind is even the most powerful institutions throughout human history are just composed of human beings like you and me.
01:41:49.000And it's been shown throughout history, regardless of the civilization, that when enough human beings get together and decide that that institution is no longer functioning properly and either needs to be shut down or reformed in some way, that happens without exception, pretty much.
01:42:06.000And we're talking about these agencies as if they're some monolithic thing.
01:42:10.000It's just composed of people who go home at the end of the day and want to see their kids and they want to save up enough money to not work in a cubicle anymore one day.
01:42:17.000And the people outside of that system just don't want to be spied on and they don't want to have this country turn into East Germany where people no longer do anything because they're afraid of the consequences.
01:42:27.000Like you look at East Germany, no great art came out of that country when it was in lockdown.
01:42:59.000But if you get a situation where the normal person is now afraid of what they're saying in their emails and phone calls, how many months does it take before, okay, first of all, the journalism dries up, then the protests dry up, and then the entrepreneurs dry up because they go, I could make this app that'll make it easier for you to pay for your food, but I'm a little bit worried about the government doing what they did to the Bitcoin guys.
01:43:20.000So I'm just going to stay at my shitty job and not develop this incredible app that could be the next PayPal.
01:43:26.000And then before you know it, the U.S. is no longer this innovative hub, and it's all just happening in Europe or in fucking New Zealand where Kim.com is.
01:43:34.000And he's the one who's making all the money off of it because they trust him more than they trust American entrepreneurs.
01:45:01.000Like, you can actually run this in a good way, you fucks.
01:45:03.000Like, someone can come along who has enough ideas of how this can be structured where it can be that people still get to make money and people still get to have order and people still get to have laws.
01:45:15.000And there's still respect and there's still...
01:45:19.000I was in Uruguay last year, fairly small South American country, I think right next to Brazil.
01:45:25.000And I was there and their president is known as like one of the most, how do you put this, like one of the least selfish presidents in the world and still like the still the figurehead for a fairly successful country.
01:45:40.000So he gives away like 80% of his salary to charity and his hobbies, instead of being obsessed with getting invited to stuff like Bilderberg, he gardens with his long-term girlfriend.
01:45:59.000And what's funny is his past is really like messed up.
01:46:01.000He spent, I think, a decade in a well imprisoned as a political prisoner.
01:46:06.000And he had been shot by police at some point and all this stuff.
01:46:09.000But instead of becoming radical and becoming this like anti, you know, anti-wealth kind of South American radical who wants to seek to get revenge, he just became a total moderate.
01:46:21.000And, you know, he gardens and he's the president.
01:46:52.000I watch this thing where they're look at Kennedy's speeches.
01:46:55.000I watch this thing where they subtitle his speeches so you could see what he's actually saying.
01:46:58.000Because I've always wondered, how could people go along with this raving lunatic and be like, yeah, yeah, we should put the Jews and the homosexuals in the ovens?
01:47:08.000And if you look at the subtitles of his speeches, he's saying stuff like, you know, when one German needs help, another German should reach out because that's what we're about as a country is you help out another German who's down on his, you know, down on his luck and we move each other forward together.
01:47:23.000All this shit that like, you can see why people would go along with it.
01:47:35.000Yeah, I guess where I'm going with this is you're 100% right that there are a handful of charismatic people that have a huge amount of influence on what direction we take.
01:47:44.000I like to think that in this day and age that that's changing.
01:47:47.000I like to think that in this day and age, because we live in this new paradigm, and you and I have accepted it, because we have no vested interest in keeping the past, you know, we didn't have any control.
01:47:58.000Neither you nor I had any control over the way the world worked a decade, two decades ago.
01:48:03.000So we have no vested interest in keeping the thing the way it is now.
01:48:08.000We recognize that the world is changing.
01:48:10.000We recognize that society is changing.
01:48:25.000You see it with the criticism of newspaper articles and books and blogs.
01:48:32.000People are more tuned in now than they ever have been before.
01:48:34.000Well, it's funny, financial newsletters used to be really big in the 90s where people would subscribe to some experts' stock picks and he would say, you know, I'm up 18% for the past year, you know, whatever.
01:48:47.000And people would subscribe thinking, oh, if I just listen to what this guy says, I'll make 1,800% per year.
01:48:52.000And I almost went to work for a company earlier this year that reached out to me.
01:48:57.000And what they do is they've found a way to actually audit these people's results.
01:49:01.000So they go, oh, okay, let's actually see what you've been buying and selling.
01:49:08.000And so they publish all the results and people pay for access to that information.
01:49:12.000And so what you're seeing is this one area that used to be really scammy is now moving closer and closer to total transparency where, you know, if you're the real thing and you're actually picking the right stocks, then you're going to gain more followers than you ever would have before because people see that you're the real thing.
01:49:29.000And if you're bullshit, nobody's going to go down that road.
01:49:32.000And I feel like it'd be great if we get that going for other areas other than stock newsletters.
01:49:38.000Like, let's get it going for government agencies.
01:49:51.000A lot of people are terrified about having to do that, having to rise to the occasion, having to recognize that we live in a completely new world and that there's a lot more competition because there's a lot more access to the game.
01:50:37.000And that includes online gambling, online porn, online anything.
01:50:43.000The idea of regulating human behavior is completely ridiculous if that human behavior doesn't hurt other people.
01:50:48.000And if it's not, then it's about controlling resources.
01:50:50.000And if it's about controlling resources, it becomes about why should one person be able to tell you what you can and can't do if you're not somehow or another imprisoning or doing something fucked up to other people.
01:51:03.000If you're not, then there shouldn't be that law.
01:51:08.000There's too much business in enforcing it.
01:51:10.000There's too much business in manipulating words in order to control humans.
01:51:14.000And that's what I think everybody's freaking out about when it comes to the NDAA or the Patriot Act.
01:51:20.000Well, this Section 215 of the Patriot Act, they have a secret interpretation of it, and that's how the NSA is doing all this data collection, or at least that's the foundation for some of it, I believe.
01:51:33.000The Patriot Act is scary enough, what it actually says.
01:51:36.000But then you have the government saying, oh, no, no, we have this secret interpretation in a lockbox that you can't actually look at, but our secret interpretation allows us to do A, B, and C. It'd be like if you signed a contract and then the guy doesn't pay you what had been agreed upon, and you take him to court and you sue him, and he's like, no, you can't sue me because I actually have a secret interpretation of your compensation on this contract.
01:51:57.000You'd be like, that's totally fucking insane.
01:53:36.000And weird things happen when you call yourself the NSA or the CIA or the FBI.
01:53:43.000When you become part of a group, you can do some weird shit.
01:53:46.000Even when you call yourself district manager, weird stuff happens.
01:53:49.000You go from being an objective observer of what happened to, well, I can't return more than a certain percentage of shirts because it'll make my numbers look bad.
01:53:57.000So you have somebody who's no longer acting out of total objective reality and they have a vested interest in some kind of outcome and you multiply that times a thousand and you get the National Security Agency.
01:54:10.000But to go back to being positive, I think we're headed for a Star Trek future.
01:54:16.000Like if you watch Star Trek Next Generation, not the new major motion pictures that are just action flicks, but that whole ideal view that hundreds of years from now, people have so much abundance in terms of energy and information that money is no longer the focus.
01:54:32.000Because if you want to get an education, it'll be given to you because it won't cost us that much to do it.
01:54:49.000If you want to fly across the country, it's going to cost you almost nothing because one of the big costs right now to fly is the jet fuel.
01:55:38.000I think it's basically going to be anything.
01:55:40.000I think it's going to start off just like printers were, where, you know, they were only black and white and you have to have a big office to have a laser print.
01:56:03.000There's going to come a time when everyone can just get what they want online.
01:56:08.000You're going to be able to download the instructions and people are going to probably have some sort of a PayPal system or some sort of a donation system where they'll, hey, I invented this.
01:56:21.000And they'll upload it and people donate a bunch of money to them to be able to use it.
01:56:27.000If they find merit in it and they have the resources, they'll upload the money to this person and that person will be able to benefit from it.
01:56:34.000If you live in America, even today, if you have a truly great idea and you put it out on whatever these sites are, Indiegogo and Kickstarter, you can get the money you need to make your dream a reality.
01:57:03.000Alex Gray's Kickstarter, he came on the podcast to talk about it and within I don't know, a couple days, his Kickstarter had gone over $200,000.
01:58:05.000Yeah, it takes away the power from the guy I got dinner with last night is a TV producer, and he's friends with the guy who produces Philip DeFranco's show.
01:58:15.000That's one of the bigger YouTube shows.
01:58:19.000And he was talking about how now these networks just don't matter.
01:58:22.000Because all they have is we've been around for 60 years.
01:58:25.000And somebody who started two years ago is like, well, that doesn't fucking matter anymore.
01:58:29.000If we're producing better content, then we're actually competitive.
01:58:32.000And you're seeing now that location doesn't matter either.
01:58:35.000Look at what's his name, Sy or Gangnam style Psy?
01:58:39.000Even though he's not in a hotbed of U.S. music, he instantly took off over here because of this technology we have.
01:58:47.000No, because we like watching fat Asian guys dance around and looking weird with hot Asian girls that we hope they don't get to fuck before we do.
01:58:54.000I guess what I'm saying is if the idea is good, it propagates now in a way that was just impossible even 10 years ago.
01:59:08.000And in doing that, it's built a completely organic word of mouth.
01:59:11.000I mean, I've talked to people about it if they asked me about it in interviews, but I've done nothing to try to promote this podcast as far as like commercially.
01:59:19.000And it sort of just caught on on its own.
01:59:23.000And I think, honestly, it'll be a slower road for someone who's not famous, but it's possible for like almost anybody today.
01:59:33.000And I know you have a podcast now, and by you putting your ideas out there on the internet, you gained a lot of support when you were going to run for Congress, and then that support bled over to things that I came in contact with, and then you and I came in contact with each other, and you came on this show, and then you started going on a bunch of other shows, and then it all sort of webs out from each other.
01:59:52.000You didn't have any important family that you came from.
01:59:56.000You didn't have any, you know, privileged influence where you had a brother who was the president of the United States.
02:00:16.000Because the congressional thing, I think that was a little delusional on my part to think that you can jump in there and hope to have any kind of chance to be taken seriously.
02:00:25.000But now that I'm back to doing journalism, the things that I used to be really insecure about, that I wasn't working for a TV network and didn't have New York Times or NBC News after my name, those are actually your biggest strengths today because people go, oh, if this guy knows about something, he's not going to hold back.
02:00:42.000He's going to do the research and put it out there.
02:00:44.000And the other thing that I'm not afraid to do that I think more journalists should do is put things into perspective for people.
02:00:51.000I sit there reading through this boring national security stuff and then I'm able to pick out what's important and tell people this matters.
02:00:57.000And then sometimes people will tweet me something that seems like a really big deal and I'll debunk it.
02:01:01.000I'm like, actually, it's problematic, but it probably doesn't matter because of A, B, and C. And people need that because there's no sense of perspective anymore.
02:01:08.000You go to the homepage of Yahoo, and it's something about Obama, some huge meeting with Merkel in Germany.
02:01:15.000And then the next line right next to it is Kim Kardashian's baby.
02:01:19.000And then the line below that is the Duggar family or the Duggars, whatever they're called that have 19 kids, the reality TV whores.
02:01:26.000And so it fucks with your mind because you're like, are these things all equally important?
02:01:30.000This is what's most important in the world today are these three stories.
02:01:34.000And you need people who are not compromised by the system, who have no paycheck coming directly from a news organization to just say, yeah, this is really important.
02:01:45.000It's just being hyped and it's not that big a deal.
02:01:47.000Well, essentially, there's always going to be a need for junk food.
02:01:51.000And there's going to be a need for intellectual junk food as well.
02:01:54.000And much like actual food, if you offer people intellectual junk food, there's a certain group of us, and I lump me in there as well, that will self-sabotage.
02:02:13.000And they will watch intellectual junk food when maybe it would do them better to sit down and read a book or to watch Nova or to see a documentary.
02:02:22.000There's sometimes you don't want to watch documentary.
02:02:24.000You want to watch a bunch of assholes bid on storage space.
02:03:53.000Well, one of the theories is that the gold was replaced over time with like tungsten bars or something because most people never have access to it anyway.
02:04:00.000And governments – Governments swap their gold all the time.
02:04:05.000So they're basically saying, since there's not much transparency, we don't know what's actually there.
02:04:10.000And it could have been sold off 20 years ago to some European government.
02:04:14.000And what we have here is just a bunch of blanks.
02:04:40.000I think the more fascinating story is let's take the government at face value and there's actually hundreds of billions of dollars of gold in this tiny little fort.
02:05:08.000I'm more optimistic now than ever before because I think that ultimately, although there will be some peaks and valleys and some happy and sad and some angry and some happy, the convergence, the convergence of information and the convergence of ideas is inevitable.
02:05:24.000And I think it will all balance out because of that.
02:05:27.000I think we're going to be forced, because of this new reality, this new digital reality, we're going to be forced into a new level of communication, a new level of understanding, and a new level of, you know, of like community.
02:12:28.000Whereas people that live in small towns, like you ever talk to somebody that grew up in the same town as you that didn't leave and they know all the same people and they remember everything that happened in high school.
02:12:47.000Because they don't have as much information hitting them on a regular basis as you do, David Seaman, former congressional candidate, bad motherfucker on the internet.
02:13:02.000And if people want to see a positive side of me, like two interviews ago, I interviewed Tara Stiles, who is Deepak Chopra's yoga instructor.
02:13:09.000So that's like interviewing Mark Zuckerberg's social media expert.
02:17:02.000But it was like, I didn't engage at all.
02:17:04.000Like, instead of like, fuck you, dickhead, who the fuck are you?
02:17:08.000You know, instead of that, instead of like, I'll smack you.
02:17:10.000It was like, oh, okay, you know, whatever.
02:17:13.000Like, and how many times has that happened where that guy wound up getting stabbed or beat up or sent to the hospital or beat somebody else up or, you know, distracted himself from his fucking miserable, pathetic, crazy life because, you know, he manages to get himself involved in some sort of a conflict that was exciting.
02:17:56.000Well, what he was saying was, and this is the first time I've ever had anybody explain it like this, was that when you are driving, you're going very fast.
02:18:04.000And when you're going fast, you have to be able to make split-second decisions.
02:18:07.000So you get locked into this very pure reptile state of mind where it's just about move, react, do this.
02:18:14.000And when someone does something, like, fuck you, it just comes out.
02:18:18.000And the reason why it comes out is because you're ramped up to react without thinking.
02:18:22.000Whereas if you're walking casually, like down a nice trail in the woods and someone's coming the opposite direction, there would be no road rage.
02:18:38.000You wouldn't be locked into this reptilian frame of mind.
02:18:41.000I never really thought about it that way.
02:18:43.000Our brains are not designed to go 70 miles an hour.
02:18:45.000And what trips me out is that when you go on any flight, you have a guy sitting in the front of the plane who's making whatever, like $35,000 or $45,000 a year.
02:18:56.000And he's sitting there, and he's had to train himself to move at 500 miles an hour and keep that shit together for the duration of the flight when his nervous system is designed to deal with him going at a max of like 12 miles an hour.
02:19:12.000And he's doing this and it's like completely routine because that's the world we live in.
02:19:21.000You ever watch somebody play tennis, like at a high level?
02:19:24.000See him darting back and forth trying to swat this fucking crazy ball to the side.
02:19:27.000That stuff reminds me of the Matrix because they're almost anticipating where it's going to be.
02:19:30.000You have to because they're starting to lunge before it's even gone over the net.
02:19:34.000Yeah, you have to see some physical language.
02:19:36.000The way their foot turns, you have to anticipate.
02:19:39.000And then people who fake people out like in football.
02:19:42.000My favorite thing in football is when someone fakes somebody out and then spins around and gets away from them.
02:19:47.000You know, it's like the escape is even more fascinating than the hits because it's like that you've got to be able to anticipate which way someone's moving.
02:19:55.000And that's fast for people, but that ain't shit compared to cars.
02:20:00.000When you're in a fucking car and you're flying down the highway, like you're on reptile 10.
02:20:19.000You're supposed to get the shit that applies to your life.
02:20:21.000You're not supposed to get everything that's happening with 7 billion people.
02:20:25.000And it's supposed to be interactive, not just you sit in front of a screen and they tell you all this stuff and you just take it at face value versus a couple thousand years ago you're in front of a fire, you know, the campfire, and the guy who came back from the neighboring tribe tells you what's going on.
02:20:40.000And then a discussion ensues where you kind of flesh out how credible is what this guy is saying?
02:21:07.000And those conversations pale in comparison to the conversations that you will see with those people on the internet.
02:21:13.000Anybody that's a guest on Piers Morgan, if they came on your show, you would have an hour plus, two hours, whatever the fuck you would have with them.
02:21:21.000You would have way more of an understanding of who they really are coming off of your show than you ever would in these seven-minute chunks of conversation sandwiched in between commercial breaks and buttons.
02:21:33.000Where they're like, we'll wrap this up right quick.
02:21:36.000You know, like, the first time I did your show, I was pretty squirrely because I'm used to doing, you know, like four or five minute TV or radio segments where they're like, all right, we're having you on to talk about NDAA.
02:21:48.000And it's like, it's impossible to lay out the whole history and how it got to that point in four minutes.
02:21:54.000So you're just trying to boil down a couple of good points, get it out there in a way that people will think about and hopefully Google the fucking shit on their own.
02:22:43.000You know, I mean, you're getting that reality over and over and over and over again.
02:22:47.000And it's harder and harder to take the spoon-fed bullshit when the internet provides you with reality in 99% of the instances.
02:22:55.000Well, in the 70s, journalism was about you'd want to appear to be unbiased because that was equated with professionalism for some reason.
02:23:02.000So we ended up being in Vietnam for far longer than we could have been because all these guys, they didn't want to insult their audience by giving them their opinions.
02:23:11.000Like, oh, it's actually this is fucked up for us to have Americans coming back in body bags for some war that we don't need to be involved in.
02:23:17.000They would never say that on the evening news.
02:23:18.000Instead, they would just be very clinical about it.
02:23:21.000But sometimes you need people who've done the research and then come out and say, this is why this is a big deal.
02:23:29.000But they didn't do that at all at the height of network journalism.
02:23:34.000And then until very recently, you've seen that creep into everything.
02:23:36.000People who even work at really big blogs, you see they lose some of their voice because they're like, it's not my position to tell you what to think.
02:24:54.000And then he actually comes out with it.
02:24:55.000And it's never, I don't watch enough Glenn Beck to know if this is true, so I don't want to disparage the guy.
02:25:00.000But as far as I've seen, his big blowout things that are supposed to change the world and everything will be different never end up delivering even a tenth on that promise.
02:25:10.000Fuck Glenn Beck and all praise David Seaman, ladies and gentlemen.
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