Comedian and stand-up comedian Joe Rogan joins the show to talk about his early days in comedy and how he got into standup. They also talk about what it's like to be a standup comedian on the road and what it s like to do standup for a living. Joe also talks about his love of the local Long Island standup scene and why he thinks it s a good idea to go back to Long Island and hang out with some of his old friends. Joe also explains why he doesn't want to stop doing standup and why you should do it even if it's not as much fun as it used to be. And he talks about how he's not going to ever stop doing it, even though it's getting harder and harder to do it. This episode is brought to you by Squarespace. If you've never been and you need a website, stop what you're doing and go check it out. It's the easiest way to make a website you don't have to go to somebody anymore. Just go to squarespace.co/JOE7 and you'll get 10% off your first purchase on new accounts, including monthly and annual plans. You don't even have to pay money to try it out! and you don t have to do any of that anymore. You can set up an online store, and you DON'T EVEN HAVE to pay $5 to use it! to try out the service anymore. Check it out to give it out and you won't even be the first to know it's that easy to do . if you want to get a discount code: JOEOSPODCAST, use the code word JOEOCODE7 at checkout, you'll save $10% on your first order. JOE7, and then you'll be 10% OFF your first month and get 20% off of new accounts including monthly & annual plans, including a discount on new plans! You can go to joe7 and get 15% off the first month, plus free shipping on your next purchase. you get an ad-free version of the promo code, and they'll get a freebie of the PrimalTribalTribe! . . . and they're giving you an entire month of PrimalTribe, too! And they'll be giving you a custom kettlebell! I'll send you all that!
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00:02:50.000Well, I don't think, you know, it's funny, I don't think I'll ever stop doing stand-up regardless of, you want to do it for a lot of people, but, you know, stand-up is one of those things, who is that great philosopher who said, man's never more himself when at play.
00:03:04.000I think that was Angel Salazar who said that.
00:05:38.000It's almost really how long can you do it.
00:05:40.000There's a bunch of them that go back and forth and back and forth.
00:05:44.000But once you start doing reps, you start doing windmills and cleans and presses and over and over and over again, it's just unbelievably good as far as strength and conditioning workouts, the best.
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00:06:00.000That's O-N-N-I-T. As I mentioned, the results of the alpha brain test, the double-blind placebo test, which were very positive, will be released soon.
00:06:16.000But we're also on to another one, on to another larger test, large-scale, even more expensive test, just because you think it's necessary to make sure that people I don't have any questions about whether or not something's effective.
00:06:30.000We don't want any claims of snake oil.
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00:07:17.000In fact, they tell people who are on SSRIs to not take 5-HTP because you can get too much serotonin.
00:07:23.000They tell you to avoid that and just take their pharmaceutical medication.
00:07:26.000I'm not saying there's anything wrong with pharmaceuticals, but I am saying that you can get a boost in your mood from taking something like New Mood.
00:15:15.000When you're in Indonesia, please don't think that you're going to use, please don't think that off is going to work because those tropical bugs scoff at it.
00:15:51.000Because we would, you'd track in it in the middle of the, like, when it was still dark, and then you set up a hammock, because you don't want to sleep on the floor, because bugs will get you.
00:16:00.000So you can set up a hammock, you lie in the hammock, you wait for the orangutan above you to wake up.
00:16:05.000Now when you're, and then when the whole forest wakes up, it's louder than Grand Central Station.
00:16:09.000You've never heard anything like it in my life, in your life.
00:16:11.000The forest, the tropical rainforest, louder than, put me on the corner of 42nd and 5th Avenue, it's louder, and I'm not exaggerating at Is it mostly bugs?
00:16:41.000It's mostly the different bugs that are doing weird things like rubbing their legs together or frogs, you know, that are, you know, and I just couldn't believe it.
00:16:54.000You freaked me out when you told me about your first experiences there, back when you were thinking about being like a bug scientist, because you told me about the posts that they had on where you slept, and you had to cover them with turpentine.
00:18:39.000They said, well, if you were to take all the space out of the atoms we're made of, so if you take all the space, so you took all the electrons, whatever that surrounds the nucleus, If you put it all together, you could take every human being that's ever lived, the actual mass that we're made of,
00:18:58.000So then it raises the question of what in the world is holding us together?
00:19:03.000If you look closely enough, we are way more space And what seems to be creating solid matter is the relationship between energy fields.
00:19:16.000There's no way that they, as they look closer, there's no way they can actually point to, like, what we're touching right now, like this wood.
00:19:22.000It's really, it's just, it's so mind-blowing.
00:19:27.000Like, when he said that, he goes, you could take every human being that's ever lived, and if you put, if you actually took what they're really made of, the matter that the atoms are made of, you could put it into a baseball.
00:20:02.000He was talking to me about simulation theory, and he was talking to me about the exponential growth of computers, that literally the amount of computations per second that the computers did, the largest computers, back when the Apollo moon landing program was going on, the amount of computations per second that they were capable of is the same as a key fob on a car.
00:20:26.000That's so mind-boggling where we're going.
00:21:00.000One of the subjects is the subject of simulation theory, about how insane it is that you can one day, rest assured, without a doubt, 100%, that they will create An artificial reality that is indiscernible from the reality that you're experiencing right now.
00:21:20.000There's not a goddamn doubt about it, not one millionth of one percent doubt that if human beings stay alive, if we don't blow ourselves up, get killed in a pandemic, or hit by an asteroid, if any of those things don't happen, then within X amount of years,
00:21:37.000fill in the blanks, whether it's a hundred, a thousand, there's going to be a time where the computation power The ability to manipulate neurons is going to be at a level that you are going to be able to insert an artificial world into someone's mind.
00:21:53.000And then you're not going to be able to know whether or not you're in that mind or whether you're in the real world.
00:22:00.000Are you in an artificial world or are you in the real world?
00:22:03.000But here's where it gets really freaky.
00:22:04.000What if you're in the artificial world and inside that artificial world you create an artificial world?
00:22:10.000That's where things get fractal, which is essentially the nature of the entire universe itself.
00:22:15.000When you boil things down, when you get really small, things get really big.
00:22:19.000And when you're talking about all the air that's inside of an atom, all the space that's inside the atom, well, that sounds a whole lot like the whole universe, doesn't it?
00:22:33.000And look at the distance between galaxies.
00:22:35.000When you look at galaxies and you look at them and they look like stars because they're so small and so far away, but you see how far there is between them and the next galaxy, and then you realize that that little small dot you're looking at is actually probably three or four hundred billion stars,
00:22:53.000including a supermassive black hole in the center of it that's one half Of 1% of the mass of the entire galaxy.
00:23:19.000Many universes, they all mirror each other on smaller levels.
00:23:23.000So you got the whole universe, and then if you look at a cell, you actually get into the minutiae of a cell and really look at everything that's going on.
00:23:28.000It's every bit as complicated as everything around us.
00:23:33.000So we are reflections, different levels of reflections of the exact same thing, just on smaller or larger scales.
00:23:42.000Which is why the concept of creating a simulation and then inside that simulation, creating a simulation is so fucking nuts.
00:23:49.000It's like the real problem comes when what you can simulate is exactly the same as what you can experience outside of the simulation, then which one is which?
00:26:47.000And here's this equation that's sitting there.
00:26:49.000175 years later, some guy is measuring the difference between, like, the relationship between quarks and how it relates to this and how it relates to...
00:26:57.000And they're trying to make a gyroscope at NASA or something, or some kind of a telescope.
00:27:03.000This guy, this mathematician 175 years ago who came up with this mathematical equation, what we're working on right now, that mathematical equation is very relevant to this physical reality.
00:27:15.000So this guy has a dream, comes up with a mathematical equation that 175 years later bears physical reality that we're using in our cell phone or we're using in a telescope or whatever it is.
00:27:31.000So, whatever this guy imagined 175 years ago in his mind, for whatever reason, was put there, and is used 175 years later for something very physical in the physical world.
00:28:00.000What you're basically saying is that someone had an insight into the way things work that no one else had achieved before, and he was so far ahead that no one could figure it out until 175 years later somebody revisited it.
00:28:13.000It was actually a physical, measurable reality that he proved on paper, mathematically...
00:28:24.000Somebody's measuring the inside of a conch shell and how it relates to a beehive's spires or whatever and all of a sudden goes, this mathematical equation is proving my theory.
00:28:36.000It's measuring what I'm using for this particular physical reality.
00:29:30.000But when you talk to a guy that's done heroin as much as Joey has and done coke as much as Joey has and he has these great stories about it and the harrowing, harrowing feelings of addiction that he can relay to you without you ever actually having to do them.
00:31:53.000We're gonna make some shitty lean-to and we're just gonna have to deal with that until we dig up some books that some smart people figured out on how to make a house.
00:32:01.000But it goes back to what I was saying about the allegory of the cave.
00:32:04.000You may not be able to achieve perfection, but you can imagine perfection.
00:32:08.000You may not be able to achieve that theorem, but that theorem can still inspire something else in you.
00:32:15.000And that in itself is where we are connected.
00:32:17.000That in itself is why other people have tremendous value if you open yourself up to those kind of people.
00:32:22.000I always say that it's very important for young people, I always talk about this, And we don't live in a world that fosters this.
00:32:29.000We live in a world that's very much about you, your appetites, how does this affect me specifically?
00:32:33.000It's very important, I think, to expose yourself to things that force you to reach beyond yourself.
00:34:13.000He plays a guitar so well that I was with other musicians and he jumped out for a guest spot and these two guitars came up to me and they were like...
00:34:58.000I mean, dude, he does, he'll do an amalgam, he'll do like a composite set where you're just like, what in the world is he doing with a guitar?
00:35:05.000There's nothing wrong with doing a little bit of cover band action, like a few cover songs, but that's a real trap for young bands that want to perform in bars and make a living.
00:35:13.000Because people don't want to hear your fucking original songs for the most part.
00:35:16.000Especially as background music where they're trying to get laid.
00:35:46.000We can all name a few people that can't do one of those things.
00:35:50.000We all know a few guys that are really successful that have made a career out of ripping off other people's ideas because of the fact they can't do both.
00:41:11.000You need somebody who's been through it before.
00:41:12.000That's where a coach comes in to help you navigate that.
00:41:16.000Not a coach, a buddy, a group of friends, a whole bunch of friends.
00:41:19.000Sure, but there's also, when you are trying to get really good at something, a lot of times you have somebody who's older who can help you navigate through the plateaus, help you get familiar with it.
00:41:28.000That's why, just put your attention on something.
00:41:31.000I don't give a shit what it is taking action, because there's always a lesson there.
00:41:36.000The thing in and of itself is less important than what you learn by trying to get good at it in a way.
00:41:42.000Well, it's also because these things like breakups and these devastating events that can happen to a person, they don't get treated with the proper respect by the people that are raising you.
00:41:54.000They get treated like, oh, someone broke your heart, you're going to be fine.
00:42:41.000Some guys bomb and they literally want to go to the hotel room and slice their wrists.
00:42:46.000I've seen three comics with great potential do really well their first time, do really well their second time, and obviously like stand-up, they get up and try to do the same thing with another crowd, and they die because it wasn't their friends.
00:43:57.000They make you wear this one fucking outfit, and they suppress the shit out of you, and psychologically, all you had to do was get this girl alone.
00:44:04.000Any guy could get this girl alone, and that was a wrap.
00:44:08.000And I didn't really even find out how crazy she was until after we stopped dating, and then she would tell me stories.
00:44:13.000We worked together, and she'd tell me stories about this new guy she was dating, and how she liked him to smack her, and he would beat her up, and she liked it.
00:44:20.000She's like, I don't know what to do because I like it.
00:44:45.000As soon as I could drive, that was one of my first jobs.
00:44:48.000And while I was fighting, it was one of my jobs because I could make a couple hundred bucks a week.
00:44:53.000All I had to do was get up in the morning by 5 a.m., deliver my newspaper route, and then I'd come back home and go right back to sleep again.
00:46:10.000But you think of these seminal moments in your life, and I remember I was signed up for...
00:46:14.000I went to boarding school because my family was still in Saudi Arabia, and I'm alone there, and I signed up for jogging because I was too afraid to sign up for wrestling because I had done judo before that.
00:46:24.000I was like, oh, these guys are too tough.
00:46:25.000So inside of a jogging, this kid Gary Lane had seen me put some kid in a headlock and he goes, hey, and he drags me over to the wrestling mat and I just signed up and next thing I know I was wrestling and I wonder what I'd be if I hadn't, you know, been a wrestler.
00:46:38.000But the idea of like when I would lose at something...
00:46:43.000I remember like I would think back to my heroes in movies like Rocky or whatever and just the example of if you lose, keep trying and you'll win in the end.
00:48:35.000If that guy pulled his cock out and it was holding his knuckles up and going outside like karate chop hand forward towards you with his fat cock, he would be nervous.
00:48:46.000If you broke into that guy's house and his cock was oiled up and he was knuckles up, just pulling it in your direction, you would drop your gum and jump out of a fucking window.
00:48:55.000Well, thanks for an image I've never had in my head until now.
00:49:38.000I guess there's probably a few 60-year-olds that are like, I still can get wet.
00:49:43.000No, I heard somebody say one time, the difference between men and women is that women look really good static and men look really good when they're doing what they're good at.
00:49:52.000So when there's movement, playing a guitar, kicking a soccer ball or Maybe.
00:49:57.000I don't think it's really a visual thing as much with women.
00:50:00.000It's certainly an aspect of it, which is why really handsome men do well.
00:50:05.000I mean, there's the facial features and everything, the Fibonacci sequence.
00:51:14.000You're not getting that from just lifting weights and eating.
00:51:16.000It doesn't exist at 66. It exists at 30. There's 30-year-old guys that are built like that that have never touched hormones, never done anything.
00:51:25.000There's guys that are in their 40s that look fantastic, that have never fucked with anything unhealthy in their life, never done a steroid, never supplemented their testosterone, never done anything but eat good and work hard.
00:52:16.000But what he was talking about was these...
00:52:20.000New innovations in modern science and medical science that are going to allow people to literally have superhuman abilities out of the gate.
00:52:32.000Yeah, you're going to have a real problem with shit like the Olympics when a person like you can take a shot and then all of a sudden you have these artificial blood cells that are a million times more effective.
00:52:44.000He said you're literally going to be able to hold your breath and jump in.
00:53:00.000But when the guy says it to you, to your face, and you know he's a lot fucking smarter than you, it's like one of those, like, what are we up for?
00:53:09.000He talks about how they reverse-engineered the red blood cell of a dog, and they're doing that with a human red blood cell.
00:53:14.000And now they're going to take a nanobot and they're going to copy it but make it more efficient at what that red blood cell does and then they'll shoot it into you.
00:53:22.000It'll be a red blood cell nanobot and that'll oxygenate your blood.
00:53:26.000And it's going to literally move on from there until we're like Wolverine, until we have adamantium skeletons.
00:53:33.000That's not outside the realm of possibility.
00:53:37.000They're probably not going to do it the way it's in that movie, but if you think about Wolverine the comic book, the whole idea was that he had these metal bones, this incredible metal structure, and then on top of that, he had skin and a body that would heal itself instantly.
00:54:02.000If we keep innovating, that is going to happen.
00:54:06.000If you can hold your breath at the bottom of the ocean for four fucking hours on a single breath, they're going to be able to figure out a way to make your skin heal, not in a week, not in a year, not in six months, but in six seconds.
00:55:36.000One of my most satisfying experiences, as far back as I can remember, is listening to you hackle at my jokes when I was doing stand-up, watching one of my best friends in the world.
00:55:46.000There's nothing more satisfying I swear to God, I'm not just saying this.
00:55:52.000To be able to make somebody like you, not only a great comic, but such a close friend, I was killing you, and I could see you cackling and just loving the stuff that I wrote.
00:56:03.000It's like, I did this, and one of my best, my brother's out there laughing his ass off.
00:57:18.000If you can accumulate as many of those people as you can in your life, the more you can do that, the more you can be one of those people, and the more you can accumulate those people, the more happy and more enjoyable this thing's going to be for you.
00:57:29.000Yeah, you know, David Bland's doing a new special pretty soon.
00:58:36.000Listen, until you see him do, until you see him, and hold that thought, next time he's in LA, we'll hang out, and I just want you to, just so you know, your mind will be blown.
00:59:03.000Oh, but the point I was making is that he said, I was just, now it's lost, but he was saying the most important thing is just surrounding yourself with people that support you.
00:59:11.000I mean, everybody I know is successful always says that to one extent.
00:59:14.000You've got to have people around you that help you go through this shit.
00:59:36.000Did you see that crazy video, that MSNBC video, where this woman who is an anchor, she's an anchor person, starts like mocking Snowden and telling him to turn himself in?
01:01:25.000And we're talking about how you praise countries like Russia and Venezuela for standing against human rights violations and refusing to compromise their principles.
01:01:35.000Seriously, Ed, where do you even come up with that?
01:01:54.000More than 80,000 prisoners are held in solitary confinement, some for years, some indefinitely, despite the fact that solitary is cruel and psychological damaging.
01:02:03.000I know those aren't the human rights violations, though, Ed, that you were complaining about, but you might have nothing to worry about anyway.
01:02:12.000Because unlike most of the people in solitary confinement, including Private Bradley Manning on trial for giving data to WikiLinks, you've cultivated for yourself a level of celebrity.
01:02:24.000And that celebrity itself may just act as the protection, another kind of cloak.
01:02:29.000If you ever find yourself in a U.S. prison, you have made quite a spectacle of yourself, and the Obama administration will be very careful about how it treats you.
01:02:40.000Unlike how states treat all those other prisoners.
01:03:01.000She's one of the worst persons at reading something on television than I've ever seen.
01:03:07.000First of all, you can see that she's got some sort of a speech impediment that she's struggled with since she was young, which probably led her to have this Like, very strong desire for acceptance, which probably led her to think that it would be a good thing to, like, support the government against Snowden in that video.
01:03:24.000I mean, I guess that's what she was saying.
01:03:25.000I mean, it was really hard to figure out what she was saying, because although she was admitting that the government puts people in solitary confinement, she was also, like, saying, like, where do you get this stuff?
01:03:34.000Like, talking about that Venezuela and Russia stands up for human rights violations.
01:03:38.000One of the good things about Podcasting, my learning lesson has been how careful you have to be about saying things you think you know the answer to.
01:03:47.000Isn't that amazing that you do that much and you still are careful?
01:04:57.000And by the way, everybody, sorry to say by the way again, but remember that every dictatorship, every single oppressive government in history has always used national security as an excuse to take your freedoms away.
01:05:57.000You wouldn't do it because you would see the people cry and see people starve to death and see the fish die and you would go, wow, what I'm doing is fucked up.
01:06:04.000But if you're some evil chemical company and the way to make money is to do that and you have stockholders and you have all these people that are putting pressure on you.
01:06:14.000Yeah, that doesn't answer the equation as much.
01:06:16.000One of those leather chairs that has those those rivets those brass rivets like dug deep into it like in a million different places those puffy leather chairs where they always have like some brandy on a shelf you know with some glasses and a tub of ice that they clink clink as they're pouring a drink talk listen we have a bottom line and I'm not going to Ecuador are you going to Ecuador so fuck the river fuck that river let's get that money And they just somehow or another,
01:06:44.000even if it's not the decision made in that sort of a fashion, an X amount of people, whether it's 4,000 or 400, how many people in that corporation decide to act as an evil unit and decide to do some fucked up shit to make that money?
01:07:22.000If you look at how people are motivated to go to war, a lot of times they are motivated around symbols, around slogans, around different kinds of propaganda.
01:07:35.000And it's a characteristic of human beings that you have to – if you're looking at human beings as a set of ingredients, what is this thing?
01:08:14.000Well, there's just so much going on inside the possibility drawer.
01:08:19.000If you open up the possibility drawer of human beings, like, whoo, you better sit down, because this motherfucker's capable of a lot of shit.
01:08:27.000Incredible cruelty, incredible kindness, you know, and everything in between.
01:08:31.000Yeah, so when you lump them all together without personal accountability, you're going to open up the potential for all this craziness, all the worst aspects of human beings when they don't have a direct action, reaction, input from the people that they're affecting.
01:09:46.000When all those communities came up, they came up around a barter system, around an economic system that kind of happened organically.
01:09:54.000When they put the Cross Bronx Expressway in there and they tore everything down and they said, you know what we're going to do?
01:09:59.000We're going to plan the Bronx on a board.
01:10:01.000And they planted on a board and they created these big projects.
01:10:05.000Let's just put them all in these big buildings.
01:10:07.000All of a sudden the murder rate went up.
01:10:09.000And one of the theories is the fact that you suddenly now, because even if you were in a ghetto, you knew that kid's grandmother, you knew that kid's brother, everybody was connected.
01:10:21.000The minute you put people in those buildings, now they're living in boxes and he's living on the fifth floor, you're living on the first floor, whatever, and you don't have an interaction.
01:10:30.000The economic fabric of that community was destroyed.
01:10:33.000So it became much easier to shoot somebody you didn't know.
01:11:39.000Look at it as a trend, as a human trend, and then it becomes fascinating.
01:11:44.000Because if you take yourself outside of it and you go, instead of going, we have to stop this corrupt government, just look at it, like step back and look at what's happening.
01:13:28.000It's become so worldwide and world-spread.
01:13:33.000Right now, information is freely accessible only to the people in the highest points of government.
01:13:40.000Right now, it's only the people in the NSA, the people that have made these shady inside deals with internet providers and have gotten access to phone calls and records and text messages and shit.
01:16:11.000It's not going to mean anything when everyone can get access to it.
01:16:15.000They've already figured out a way, they're on the preliminary stages where they can map, they can, I guess, they show you an image.
01:16:23.000And then they look at your brain activity when you see that image.
01:16:26.000And then when they show you the image again, The brain activity shows up in the same kind of pattern.
01:16:34.000So you recognize something and they can tell.
01:16:37.000So what the idea is is that if you robbed a bank or you were a criminal and you were in a certain place and they show you that place and they scan your brain When they tell you about the place and your brain registers a certain thing,
01:17:22.000So simulate what someone like China could do to our currency system.
01:17:27.000And because it's all computerized and it's all sort of ones and zeros, he basically was hired by the Pentagon to come up with a scenario whereby the Chinese could set up, say, ten fake hedge fund companies that end up You know,
01:17:45.000doing something to buying all this stock or buying just up a bunch of stuff and getting the market to crash.
01:17:50.000It'd be a very difficult thing to do, but that was his job.
01:17:53.000It was pretty fascinating with the idea where there is no real money.
01:17:56.000You can really manipulate through computers sort of an entire segment of the economy and wreak havoc, theoretically.
01:18:03.000And that's something the Pentagon hires people to try to do and simulate.
01:18:06.000But it was really an interesting kind of concept.
01:18:09.000Well, if your money is based on a computer, I mean, if it's based on calculations, you can protect it.
01:18:16.000You can put up firewalls and you can do...
01:18:19.000But essentially, it's just as vulnerable as a computer is.
01:18:25.000One of the things about the financial system that I found to be terrifying, when I found out that stocks can be traded by bots, and they can recognize trends and trade, like, second to second.
01:18:36.000Like, do these split-second analysis of trends.
01:18:40.000And constantly keep earning money that way by exploiting the system and understanding which way things are moving and buying and selling.
01:18:46.000So you're just chipping away at the block every couple seconds, making a little bit here and a little bit there, but taking essentially very little risks.
01:18:55.000And by doing that, they can figure out a way to just extract money through a bot and that this is legal and that this is how people use the stock market.
01:19:38.000Even if they understand it, it's still insanity.
01:19:41.000I shouldn't say Greek, but yeah, in a way, look, Greece is fucking bankrupt right now.
01:19:46.000How crazy is it that at one point in time, the greatest culture on the planet Earth, the most knowledgeable and filled with scholars creating beautiful works of architecture and Stuff that people still read today,
01:20:02.000still inspired by today, some of the great Greek masters.
01:20:05.000And then today, what's going on over there now?
01:20:48.000And I say that's the same thing that can happen with your freedoms.
01:20:52.000I think that's the same thing if you're not careful, if you don't know, if you're not paying attention to who the real enemy is, or at least you don't make enough noise, or you're not paying attention to what's going on, that's the kind of stuff that can happen.
01:21:05.000Well, it's also individuals, again, looking out for themselves, trying to extract money.
01:21:10.000It's individuals exploiting a system, a shitty system, individuals exploiting it.
01:21:15.000I mean, the whole housing market in this country, for the people that don't understand it, which is, by the way, everybody, by the way, by the way, Nobody understands it.
01:22:41.000Six years before this was looking at these mortgage-backed securities, these tranches, and actually breaking them down because he was obsessed with numbers and actually really knew how they worked, how derivatives and everything worked, and he was going, oh, wait a minute.
01:22:54.000These houses and these algorithms aren't reflecting real value.
01:22:59.000And this isn't making sense, yet they're bundling these mortgage-backed securities and selling them.
01:23:04.000And I don't think people are going to be able to pay their mortgages because this isn't making sense.
01:23:08.000And he was saying that six, seven years before that and figured it out.
01:23:12.000And then there was another guy who was this dude who was a broker who I think hooked up with this guy and started looking at it.
01:23:22.000This whole system is going to collapse.
01:23:24.000They were literally trying to build Noah's Ark.
01:23:26.000It's a great book called The Big Short, and he really does a great job of actually showing the key players who really saw this thing coming and were jumping up and down.
01:23:52.000I mean, Inside Job is really an apt name for it, because not only was it a crazy fucked up system that people were exploiting, the people that were passing their judgment and saying what is acceptable, what's not acceptable...
01:24:28.000The SEC. And so they looked at the trend of people like going from, you know, like from Harvard to the SEC and the SEC to some insane job where they would get fucking gazillions of dollars a year.
01:24:40.000And they go, oh, oh, they just everyone's corrupt.
01:24:56.000It will make you want to throw a hammer through your fucking TV. The question it raises, though, is the incentive structure that was set up to blame, and how do you avoid...
01:25:06.000Because smart people are going to take advantage of a system that's broken.
01:25:27.000Well, one of the ways that smart people will talk about it is to say – You still have, this guy James Rickard, who's on my show, said, the problem with Too Big to Fail, the eight biggest banks in the country, are bigger than ever.
01:25:40.000And what that means is that the U.S. government can't let them fail.
01:26:14.000And what was my favorite part about it was when they were talking about the bonuses and that Obama was going to limit them to $500,000 because guys were still getting bonuses like millions and millions of dollars.
01:26:25.000And they're like, well, they have to pay them because if they don't, these guys are going to go work for someone else.
01:26:28.000And I remember thinking, like, where are they going to work?
01:27:54.000I'm not going to sit here and tell you how.
01:27:55.000There are ways to do it where money doesn't play a big enough role because now we are in an economy of influence.
01:28:01.000You cannot do business as a private corporation without having a pipeline to Washington.
01:28:07.000It takes two hours to get into Washington because 13,000 lobbyists are descending on that capital every fucking day.
01:28:16.000So as long as you create an economy of influence and you have corporations that are manipulating that massive structure, let's start there.
01:29:04.000If there's environmental issues that are coming up and they're being debated inside some closed door where people are making deals and those decisions that they're making could fuck us all up, that can't happen.
01:29:44.000You can't have people listening and watching the process.
01:29:46.000Okay, but that's a very different thing.
01:29:48.000It is because the decision finally is a public decision that we contend with and we know about.
01:29:59.000Well, not only that, but when someone is in the Supreme Court, theoretically at least, they have the responsibility to adhere to the letter of the law.
01:32:02.000And that's why I recommend the book Republic Lost or at least go to TED.com and listen to Lawrence Lessig show you why we are losing our republic.
01:32:14.000Sat next to a guy on a plane who is an editor at Newsweek who said he doesn't know what he's talking about.
01:32:18.000But I was very convinced and it was very scary.
01:32:21.000Well I think that the responsibility for running this entire society cannot rest in secret hands anymore.
01:32:28.000And I think the only way for society to progress the way the culture of human interaction has progressed since the internet, the only way for society to catch up is to take away power.
01:32:43.000That's the only way you're going to have a culture that is advancing commensurate with the amount of people that are advancing.
01:32:52.000Because otherwise you're going to have a bunch of people that are trying to control and steal resources and hold on to influence and hold on to power.
01:33:01.000And they're going to realize that there's fucking pounding at the gates everywhere.
01:33:04.000And they're not going to open up the gates.
01:33:06.000They're going to try to bolt them down more.
01:33:08.000And they're trying to scare people away from the gates.
01:34:39.000Imagine if there's only two government and then you're the only population.
01:34:43.000There's two people in government and you're the population and they're telling you you can't smoke weed, we're going to lock you in a cage.
01:34:48.000You would say, okay, well I'm living with these people I'm going to have to kill because they're trying to stop me from doing a bunch of shit that doesn't have anything to do with them.
01:34:56.000The idea only becomes reasonable when you're governing 300 million people.
01:35:01.000Then it's okay to throw them in a cage if you catch them with a trunk full of heroin.
01:35:06.000But if we were on an island together and it was just you and me and I caught you doing heroin, I'd be like, dude, what are you doing?
01:35:11.000I wouldn't build a fucking bamboo cage and dig a hole and throw you in the bottom of it.
01:38:02.000It used to be, I think it was SubmissionFighting.com and then it was MixedMartialArts.com and then it was MMA.TV and then it's MixedMartialArts.com and it became...
01:40:14.000If you haven't paid attention to this, this is something we haven't talked about on the podcast in a long time, but Google Pacific Garbage Patch.
01:40:20.000It's essentially like there's a tide, there's a current.
01:40:24.000The way the oceans move, the way the currents move, it developed this sort of area where all the shit that's floating in the ocean coalesced and combined into this enormous soup of fucking rotting plastic.
01:40:57.000Yeah, and in the sun and in the ocean, the salt water and the surf and everything like that, It slowly breaks down until it's like floating pellets of shit.
01:41:49.000There are bacteria that we do use, I guess enzymes and bacteria that actually do that now, but whether or not it's biocompatible, those are the questions at the March of Science.
01:42:00.000Well, there's been some thought about doing various things to clean up the ocean, and one of the things is actually introducing certain algaes.
01:42:08.000And introducing iron, taking metal and creating metal structures and putting these metal structures in the bottom of the ocean that would attract various types of algae.
01:42:18.000And that various types of algae, those would re-oxygenate through their use of whatever the fuck they need in the ocean and actually clean up some of the water.
01:42:30.000Sometimes I feel like all these problems are put there for a reason that anything is surmountable.
01:43:07.000In 19—it was 1820 when it was invented, I think, when the first time they actually—I think it was 1819, when the first time they actually had a 10-mile stretch of wire, and the guy was able to send a message.
01:43:19.000And before that—think about this—before that, the guy before 18-whatever, 1815, he had to send a message the same exact way Alexander the Great did— Either on horseback, either on foot, or either by boat.
01:43:36.000And when Morse Code came out, and Morse was a guy who was a really, really successful painter.
01:43:42.000And he had nothing to do with electromagnetic fields or anything.
01:44:06.000He gets fascinated with the idea that maybe I can come up with a way to use electromagnetic fields to send a message.
01:44:14.000About 10 years after that, he invented something called Morse code, this painter, because he was so heartbroken over his wife.
01:44:23.000And the world has never been the same.
01:44:26.000That was a bigger communication leap, actually, than the internet, because it was the first time we were able to send instantaneous messages.
01:44:33.000And I think five years later, we finally had a wire from New York to New Orleans, which was so much faster, and you could get instantaneous communication.
01:46:52.000So I was going to get these spots after everybody had ripped that place sideways, and there was 20 people left, and then I went on to this dead crowd with my shitty dry jokes.
01:47:00.00020 alcoholics, some who don't speak English, just stirring their drinks.
01:47:06.000And then I realized, oh my god, I'm coasting.
01:47:09.000I realized I went up there, I thought I could do the same jokes I've been doing for years with no passion and no energy and no excitement to them.
01:47:17.000And I felt it while other people took it in because the room wasn't giving me nothing.
01:47:36.000But a 200 person, you can sometimes...
01:47:38.000We all know, and no disrespect, but we all know those people that can go on at the Laugh Factory at like 8.30 on a Friday when everyone's laughing and everything, and you can watch this...
01:47:51.000Bizarre mayonnaise sandwich of an act where you're like, what did I even just say?
01:47:57.000But yet the pauses are in the right place and people are laughing and the person's dressed right and they don't stay too long.
01:48:06.000You do like 10-15 minutes and good enough.
01:48:09.000You hit on enough buzzwords that people like, oh, you brought up some things that people think is funny like Kanye West or whatever.
01:48:42.000Well, you know, they always say, why was Louis Armstrong so great and some of those black musicians who were doing incredible things with a horn?
01:48:50.000And there was this historian, I can't remember his name, who said, well, when you were black back then, you weren't allowed to speak your mind.
01:48:55.000You expressed yourself through your horn, man.
01:51:38.000There's that thing about Bill Gates 10 years ago when they said if he dropped $40,000 out of his pocket, it wouldn't be worth him turning around to get it because his time is worth much more than the time it would take.
01:51:48.000To actually turn around and pick up the $40,000.
01:51:50.000It would be financially prudent for him to keep walking.
01:51:58.000No, no, no, you dropped $40,000, whatever it was, or something crazy like that.
01:52:02.000I was looking online at houses that rich people own, like Oprah-style houses, and Oprah has houses everywhere.
01:52:12.000But she's got this house in Montecito, which is the nice area outside of Santa Barbara, like really old-school, beautiful homes, really beautiful, beautiful neighborhood near the ocean.
01:52:23.000And her house, it's like, how do you have enough money for this is one of your houses?
01:52:27.000It doesn't even make any sense that one person can accumulate that much money.
01:52:31.000And then when you stop and look at it and go, wait a minute, how did she do that?
01:53:12.000Something that she decided to do, redo Kirstie Alley's kitchen that was going to be on the program, you know, that they showed it on at Oprah.
01:53:57.000Yeah, like, stayed out there, stayed bold, you know, out there, you know, would talk about losing the weight, and then lose weight, you know, drop 100 pounds, you know, do a fucking weight loss commercial.
01:54:45.000He also wrote a great book, Lawrence Wright, about the Looming Tower, which I also read about the rise of Islamic fundamentalism culminating in 9-11.
01:55:44.000We were in Utah filming my show last week, Duncan and I, and we showed up at the airport and it was one of the strangest things I've Been there many times.
01:55:54.000They had these people that were returning from missions, and they were elders.
01:56:00.000They called them elders in the church.
01:56:01.000And they had all the people there with signs, right?
01:57:37.000Listen, I have some friends that were Mormons.
01:57:39.000We were friends with them when they were Mormons and they eventually bailed.
01:57:42.000It's really kind of interesting to watch them bail on being a Mormon.
01:57:45.000Because they got to a certain point in their life where they're like, what the fuck are we doing?
01:57:51.000Which is really interesting to see when people hit like 40 and then they start doing that.
01:57:55.000But these people living in this state, and a giant percentage of them being involved in this one cult, but that cult seems to work for them, for the most part.
01:58:06.000They get those weird aberrations, like they branch off occasionally and have that one guy that got arrested.
02:02:03.000We've got 52,000 body bags and counting, I think, in Mexico since this shit happened.
02:02:08.000You know, Mexico has silently decriminalized drugs.
02:02:11.000Well, I don't blame them, and I'll tell you why, because they've been the ones bearing the brunt with real tragedy in their bodies and their children and their neighborhoods.
02:02:21.000They're the ones who've been dealing with this.
02:03:23.000Not only that, even the medical, like the idea of medical marijuana, the federal government does not recognize the fact that it's even a medicine.
02:03:33.000So, the federal government, the reason why marijuana is a Schedule I substance is not because it's the most dangerous, because it was based on proof that it would be impossible to put marijuana in Schedule I. But they can put marijuana in Schedule I because Schedule I means it has no medicinal value that's That's recognized by the state,
02:04:24.000But the federal government can't stop your doctor from prescribing those because they're scheduled to.
02:04:29.000So cocaine and heroin are both scheduled to drugs because they have medical applications, whereas they try to pretend that marijuana doesn't.
02:04:40.000And that way, they can stop medical marijuana from starting, because it's a plant as opposed to a medicine.
02:04:47.000But they've proved that for glaucoma and things, it helps.
02:05:48.000Campaign and use their money and their finances to lobby heavily to make sure that marijuana laws stay in place.
02:05:58.000Once again, an example of how Washington has become an economy of influence.
02:06:03.000Once again, why you got to know how the system works and the injustices it creates.
02:06:09.000When a special interest group can affect other people's lives because there's an economic advantage in it, even if it's in a Yeah, I don't think anybody has an argument with it.
02:06:52.000You know about some strange shit, but you don't know about some things.
02:06:55.000Sometimes things are in the public consciousness that you're completely blissfully unaware of.
02:07:00.000The Michael Hastings conspiracy is, he's a journalist for the Rolling Stone, 33 years old, cocky, fuck, getting people's faces on television about generals and stuff, about what they're doing, and you guys are doing this and that.
02:07:13.000Exposes a bunch of shit, gets people in trouble.
02:07:15.000He's doing an article about the CIA. His car drives into a tree.
02:07:21.000This is after he told everybody the FBI is investigating him and his family and if anybody gets contacted by the FBI, just get a lawyer.
02:07:44.000They take his body, cremate it against the wishes of his family.
02:07:48.000Then the former security advisor, I think it was a security advisor to Clinton and Herbert Walker Bush, he comes out and says that it's possible that To take over a car, a modern car today.
02:08:05.000Including manipulate the steering, the brakes.
02:08:15.000And so this guy, who is spending all of his time and all of his effort, very high profile, trying to take out the people in the world that are the best at killing people.
02:10:35.000And again, it sort of goes to what we were talking about, about one day there's going to be a point in time where money's not real.
02:10:40.000There's also going to be a point in time where objects aren't real either because they're computers and you're going to be able to control it all.
02:14:18.000Well, you know, Porsches are rear-balanced for the most part, except for the Caymans and Boxsters, which are actually the better-designed cars.
02:14:26.000They're in a really tricky situation because the 911, since the beginning, when they first designed it, they designed it with an engine that's hung out behind the rear wheels.
02:14:35.000There's not another car that does that.
02:14:37.000Everybody else does either a mid-engine format, which means that the engine is in front of the wheels, or it means it's in front of the front wheels, which allows the weight in the front.
02:14:54.000The Corvette ZR1, that's a front-engine car.
02:14:56.000But a lot of the exotics, like Ferrari, mid-engine, the Acura NSX, that was a mid-engine car for balance issues, just like the Cayman and the Boxster.
02:15:06.000But Porsche keeps their engine now back still.
02:15:08.000So they have to engineer all these ways to avoid what's called lift throttle oversteer because of the fact that you have this weight in the back.
02:15:15.000As you're going around a corner, if you let off the brakes, your front end comes up and then the ass end goes forward and spins.
02:15:22.000So you have to keep the front end down.
02:15:24.000So you have to keep accelerating into a corner because you've got this massive pendulum behind you.
02:15:29.000So if you know how to use it, it's wicked.
02:15:32.000So if you know how to use it, you actually know how to accelerate out of corners better.
02:15:35.000You know how to judge it and gauge it.
02:18:31.000Well, I don't think you could take it away from Safedine because I think he fought the worst-case scenario fight when you're fighting a really...
02:18:38.000What Safedine is is a very technical kickboxer.
02:23:57.000What's really crazy is Although Ellenberger has definitely fought the higher competition at 170, Rory's actually ranked higher than him by a lot of people and is the favorite coming into this fight just based on talent alone, based on people watching him take apart guys like Che Mills,
02:25:03.000I think he, I mean, he walks around over 200 pounds before he starts his cut when he gets down to 170. He does it like, you know, when he's 170, he's fucking shredded.
02:25:31.000When you see a guy that is competing in a smaller organization and crushing people, and then you see him fight in the UFC, and you see him start losing, and he gets out-muscled by big guys like Tim Bosch, and you realize he's losing to Yushin Okami,
02:25:46.000and you go, oh, I see what's going on.
02:25:48.000You don't belong in that weight class.
02:27:32.000Some of them black out in the back room.
02:27:35.000We've seen guys that had to get the fight canceled because they cut too much weight and then they fucking fall down and bang their head when they're out back there talking to the doctor.
02:28:44.000Had Arlovsky staggered, broke his jaw, had him all fucked up in the first round.
02:28:48.000And Arlovsky managed to hang on and lose a decision.
02:28:51.000That's the one thing about when I watched Arlovsky and how athletic he was, he ultimately didn't seem to have the, he didn't really become the UFC fighter he was supposed, people thought he was going to be.
02:29:06.000I mean, at one point in time, he was the scariest guy on the planet.
02:29:09.000Arlovsky, you know, he was knocking people out with one punch, but then he lost to Tim Sylvia, and then he came back, and, you know, they fought again, and Sylvia beat him again.
02:29:22.000It's one of those things where you can only stay at the top for so long, and then it's the top in relationship to where the sport is at the moment.
02:29:32.000So in that moment, when Orlovsky was the UFC heavyweight champion, that's where the sport was.
02:29:37.000What the sport was, was it was at this spot where this guy who was this big, super-fast, athletic kickboxer with lightning-quick reflexes was knocking guys like Paul Buentello silly.
02:29:50.000You know, he was knocking guys silly as a heavyweight.
02:30:27.000He was fighting Fedor and was going punch for punch with Fedor for most of the first round and then tries this crazy flying knee and gets knocked completely unconscious.
02:30:37.000Yeah, that felt like a lack of confidence.
02:30:38.000He tried to rush the fight, jumping into that.
02:31:11.000It'll also be interesting when you see him fight as a heavyweight because, you know, how will he do against a really big guy that's naturally larger than him that could never fight at 205?
02:32:18.000It's a serious, serious issue for combat athletes.
02:32:22.000If you take in a lot of shots and your discs start degenerating and you start getting numbness and losing, that's Bas Rutan's issue as well.
02:32:30.000That's why he's had two neck surgeries and it's why he has one arm that's atrophied.
02:33:53.000It's really difficult to do, to transition from anything where you're a professional athlete with a finite career, whether it's basketball or baseball or football.
02:35:48.000A 200-pound man who's a blue belt who catches an arm bar correctly, and if you're tired and it gets full extension, you have to fucking tap.
02:35:59.000And when you're doing that on a high level for a long time, you get a healthy ego because you're always getting your ass kicked.
02:36:07.000You get your ass handed to you in training.
02:36:08.000Especially when you do like those drills where you do like a tenth planet.
02:36:13.000We'll do like nine minutes of live sparring and then you have 30 seconds rest or a minute rest rather where everybody grabs a drink and then you go to the next person for nine minutes.
02:36:57.000Yeah, and you could see the disappointment on his face because he's so good and everything else, but it was just, you know, it's like it happens to everybody.
02:37:05.000You make one mistake, one mistake, see ya.
02:37:07.000Yeah, a guy like Kron, he gets a hold of your neck, that's a wrap.
02:37:37.000When your dad is Hickson fucking Gracie, just think about the amount of knowledge that he must have relayed to his son.
02:37:44.000If you don't know jujitsu, Hickson Gracie is like, there's not a whole lot of sports where there's one guy who's universally recognized as the motherfucker.
02:37:57.000It's like the motherfucker of motherfuckers when it comes to jiu-jitsu is Hicks and Gracie.
02:38:02.000Because if you talk to anybody, if you talk to Hoist Gracie, if you talk to any of these guys, and this is going on, by the way, by the way, by the way, in 1993, when the UFC was at first, he said, when Hoist was beating everybody in UFC 1, he was like,
02:39:48.000If you looked at the old videos of Hoist Gracie when Hoist won the UFC, one of the things about Hoist that was so impressive was that he wasn't a physically imposing guy.
02:41:06.000You know, like in every single way, in every single position.
02:41:10.000And his yoga is like one of the more unique aspects of him as a martial artist because he can move in such strange ways because of the yoga.
02:41:21.000Like, it's very rare that you get a guy who's really strong and really flexible.
02:42:33.000So he developed a very extensive repertoire of techniques to use from the guard, and he also developed the concept of protecting yourself in a real self-defense situation.
02:42:44.000Ilio Gracie, long before the UFC, was putting himself in these Valley Tudo matches, where he would go out there and just duke it out with dudes, and they'd put on these events in Brazil, and he would have these fights with guys.
02:42:58.000And then his cousin, Carlos, well, there was a bunch of different, there was his brother, Carlson Gracie was his cousin, and Carlson Gracie became like the most winningest guy.
02:44:53.000Yeah, look, Hoist Gracie, that was an important moment for martial arts.
02:44:56.000And it was the first time, also, that we realized that, like, in the movies, it was always a little dude with skill that was beating the fuck out of all these guys.
02:45:06.000It was always Bruce Lee that was small but fast as fuck and using his martial arts to defeat much larger Samo Hung-looking dudes.
02:45:14.000You know, or who was the guy with the big muscles?
02:45:21.000Remember when Chuck Norris and him duked it out?
02:45:22.000Chuck Norris was bigger and stronger and Bruce Lee fucked him up.
02:45:25.000But in the real world, that didn't really happen that often.
02:45:28.000In the real world, those big guys sort of got a hold of you and beat your fucking head into a pulp.
02:45:32.000That's more of what most of us saw on a regular basis.
02:45:36.000So then when you have the craziest event in the history of martial arts, this cage fighting event where you're going to lock all these different styles in and find out who's the best...
02:45:44.000The odds that this one really technical small guy was going to win, they were astronomical as far as the martial arts community was concerned.
02:45:51.000They thought that the biggest karate guy was going to win.
02:45:54.000The biggest guy who can kick and punch hard.
02:45:56.000And a lot of guys who were karate guys thought they were going to win because they'd never been tested.
02:46:00.000A lot of guys like Judo guys in there, karate, kung fu guys would get in there, Krav Maga guys, and they actually believed because they had been training so long that they were going to win until all of a sudden...
02:46:12.000They'd get caught in these weird jokes, arm bars, punched in the face.
02:46:16.000Well, this is how little they knew about it.
02:46:18.000When guys got into certain positions, it got to a point where guys got into certain positions, they thought there was no escape in those positions, so they would just tap out.
02:46:25.000When Remco Pardot, who was like a really tough guy, fought Marco Huas, all Marco Huas did was mount him.
02:46:31.000Marco mounted him and he's like, well, basically the fight's over.
02:48:11.000He recognizes, like, this played out great, but we got an issue.
02:48:16.000Because Anderson Silva seems to be able to see everything you're doing.
02:48:19.000It's going to be real interesting to see what happens in the second fight.
02:48:21.000It's going to be interesting to see if Anderson showboats at all again.
02:48:24.000It's going to be interesting to see how Weidman approaches it, how confident he is now.
02:48:28.000Weidman's getting better all the time.
02:48:30.000The fact that he knocked out Anderson Silva in his tenth fucking professional fight is insane.
02:48:36.000It's also, though, a testament to Anderson Silva fucking around.
02:48:39.000Not really, because Weidman had him down on the ground and had him in a heel hook long before that.
02:48:44.000What's going to happen in the second fight?
02:48:46.000What if Weidman is six inches further down the knee when he wraps up that heel hook?
02:48:51.000And what if he uses the legs properly next time and laces them differently and locks up his hips so that he can't roll out of it and then rips his knee apart, Husamar Pajarez style?
02:49:17.000Not only that, not only is he better, he's bigger and faster and scarier because he's got vicious knockout power, which is what Chael Sonnen never had.
02:49:25.000Because he knocked out Uriah Hall, that kid who was the standout in the Ultimate Fighter that won by wheel kick, the last Ultimate Fighter.
02:49:32.000He knocked that guy out with a left hook.
02:49:33.000The same left hook that he knocked He knocked out Anderson with.
02:52:25.000Look, it's thanks to all these people that we're sort of connected to online.
02:52:29.000We're all sort of connected to all these interesting people that are willing to now do the show, and then you get more, and then you help them, and like...