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00:10:01.000Well, the idea is, and obviously I'm no doctor, so don't listen to me, but the idea is that butter from grass-fed cows is butter from healthier cows.
00:10:10.000And cows are not designed to eat corn.
00:10:13.000And when they eat corn, it's one of the reasons why they get so fucking fat.
00:10:16.000It's just not a part of their normal diet.
00:12:17.000He used to go to a Kentucky Fried Chicken and he'd pick up like two buckets of chicken and he would just toss them in his yard and like a hundred cats would come in and tear the chicken apart.
00:15:00.000It assets me because I stink at it and I suck at long green shots.
00:15:05.000I'm fairly hideous at pool and I never found it enjoyable because I just can't get the hang of it.
00:15:09.000Pool's one of those things that gets enjoyable when you get really good.
00:15:12.000As you get really good, then it becomes really satisfying.
00:15:15.000If you can get into a groove and run out racks and get in good position, it's so satisfying.
00:15:20.000That cocky walk around the table that I've never taken, I just fucking shamefully go from point A to point B and hope I don't scratch like a cunt.
00:17:03.000If you really stop and think about it, I mean, it's fun to play, don't get me wrong, but what a stupid skill to throw something and make it stick into a wall in a certain spot.
00:17:12.000It's something that counted years ago.
00:17:13.000We hunted for food or, like, you know, on Game of Thrones, that's a great skill to have, to be able to shoot something accurately at a target, but now it just doesn't mean anything anymore.
00:19:41.000But he's, he's not built like a guy who's gonna swim the fucking length of the Amazon.
00:19:45.000I saw it a couple of years ago, so I can't remember all the details about it, but I remember thinking, like, what a crazy character this guy is.
00:19:53.000Remember they had, like, they had the barrel chest, but you knew that they were fucking problems, but they weren't ripped and cut like guys are today.
00:19:59.000Well, there's a lot of guys today that are like that.
00:20:01.000You know, look at a guy like Mike Russo.
00:20:02.000He's a world-class heavyweight in the UFC. He knocked out Todd Duffy.
00:20:47.000And I think that they're not getting the humiliation that fighters get by losing, by training in the gym, by getting broken in the gym, by getting submitted, by getting tagged.
00:20:58.000There's like a certain level of reality that fighters live in where they don't have to...
00:21:04.000Engage on this chest puffing right that you see a lot of people doing almost to compensate because It's almost like they don't they can't even believe that they're this fucking superstar So part of their brain is like sabotaging of course and causing them to act like cunts and not tip anywhere and Slam doors on people and the kind of shit you hear from like really arrogant pro athletes But with MMA fighters for the most part these are dudes that if you if you're serious about that sport you have to have like a Spartan discipline I mean,
00:21:33.000you have to be the type of person that's watching your diet, making sure you're organizing your training, and you just get humiliated.
00:21:40.000You get humiliated and humbled is a better word.
00:21:42.000You get humbled by the whole process of trying to become great.
00:21:56.000You're always going to see a certain amount in the population of people, but you don't see nearly as much in MMA or in the UFC as you would think.
00:22:04.000I haven't met that many NBA people that I liked, to be honest.
00:22:09.000The one I thought was really nice, Clyde Frazier we had on.
00:23:31.000Like, I've heard clips we played on ONA, but I've never listened to a Hicks CD. And everyone tells me how great he was, but it's like, at this point in my life, I just don't want to hear another comic and be influenced by him.
00:23:40.000I'm like, I hear he's great and good for him, and I don't want to know it.
00:24:02.000I don't feel like there's any sense in avoiding a certain amount of influence that we're going to give each other.
00:24:10.000But I also think if your mind is straight and you have good ethics as far as your writing, I don't think you really have to worry about that.
00:24:35.000Like the reason why you're doing it, you're doing it for the exact right reasons.
00:24:38.000I just always feel like I got into comedy because I love the art form itself, and I'm a fan of it, and I don't want to not be a fan of it.
00:24:46.000Just because I'm doing it doesn't mean I want to still enjoy it as if I had nothing to do with it, if I was never involved.
00:24:53.000If I became a comic book artist or whatever else I wanted to be or could have been, if I wasn't a comic, I would like to think that I would like comedy just as much.
00:26:45.000That's why there's so very few people who are As honest as you are when you're on stage, as open about your perversions, and as lovable in those.
00:28:10.000That is the big leap that you make as a comic when you get past just doing stuff that works to doing stuff that you believe in and it works because you believe in it.
00:29:15.000I don't find any extra valor in cleanliness.
00:29:18.000I mean, it's a good thing to do if you're really funny clean, but I think that they're both equally acceptable if they're original and funny.
00:29:25.000I see clean guys that stink, and I'm like, I don't give a shit.
00:30:26.000And I understand that I'm in a job and we're in a job where it's a little easier for us because almost most things are acceptable in our business.
00:30:33.000Like, as a comedian, it's hard as an accountant to walk in and go, I fucking went out with this girl and she's blowing me and I realized she had a dick but I was high and I let her.
00:30:41.000Like, you can't walk into an accounting office and tell everybody that.
00:30:44.000But if you say that as a comic, everybody's like, alright, so what?
00:33:03.000Well, the morals are ridiculous as soon as it's free.
00:33:05.000As soon as it's free and you can do it and there's no problem whatsoever, but if you charge money for it, then all of a sudden it's a crime.
00:33:14.000Because if somebody just wanted to fuck, if some crazy woman just wanted to go around town and, hey, meet me here, let's fuck, And then at 10 o'clock I'm going to meet another guy, I'm going to fuck him.
00:33:45.000But I think a lot of our ideas of what's so horrible about prostitution is all based on this puritanism bullshit that we've been pushing in this country from the get-go.
00:33:54.000There's nothing wrong with being nice.
00:33:56.000There's nothing wrong with having morals.
00:33:58.000But when you push your own bullshit on other people...
00:34:21.000What's the difference between a date and spending $100 on a date or $100 just here?
00:34:27.000Instead of eating, you can just have the money.
00:34:31.000Although you're spending money, you're spending money to try to show the woman that you're a generous person, you want to take care of her, and then the sex is a mutual thing.
00:34:39.000The idea is just that the men should be paying for the woman because they're not worth as much, which I agree with.
00:35:41.000Yeah, and his friend will fuck it at a party and all of a sudden...
00:35:44.000We all start getting yeast infections in our legs.
00:35:47.000Did you hear that Eric Holder said today that they need to stop arresting people for petty marijuana crimes?
00:35:54.000And crimes where there's no victims or where it's not a connection to drug cartels?
00:36:02.000Like, it's sort of snuckling under the radar, but that's a gigantic statement from the Attorney General that they're going to basically stop this aspect of the drug war.
00:36:19.000The Sanjay Gupta CNN thing, where he's coming out with a documentary on CNN called Weed, a year-long investigation to the positive benefits of medical marijuana and all these people that are sick and all the different things that it cures, all the different ailments that it alleviates symptoms.
00:36:36.000And this guy is coming out and putting out this big piece on CNN.com and the special saying, I was wrong.
00:36:42.000For years, I believed mainstream America's opinion about marijuana.
00:36:46.000It was for a bunch of lazy slackers, and I thought that most of the medical marijuana was just people trying to get high.
00:36:51.000But now he realizes it's not, and it's like there's massive, massive medical benefits.
00:36:56.000I'm losing power in my dilithian crystals.
00:37:04.000If CNN puts it on TV like that, I mean, that's pretty crazy.
00:37:08.000And then Eric Holder saying, we need to stop arresting people for petty crimes that don't involve drug cartels and, you know, marijuana offenses.
00:37:20.000Because the problem is nonviolent drug offenders are a giant part of what's in the prison system and making people much more likely to continue being criminals.
00:37:32.000Like once you start putting people in jail, that's when they're much more likely to start repeating crimes.
00:37:37.000The idea of punishing people by putting them in jail, that scares the shit out of them.
00:37:42.000And if they're smart, they don't do it again.
00:37:44.000But it also introduces them to a bunch of other people that are fucking criminals.
00:37:47.000And they all get together and they talk.
00:37:48.000And they figure out what the fuck they're going to do together once they get out of there.
00:37:51.000And that's a way of turning a person who just wants to sell something that should be legal into a fucking criminal.
00:39:05.000I mean, it's the projected tax revenue.
00:39:09.000It sounds so crazy, but it's really true.
00:39:11.000It could fix the United States economy.
00:39:13.000That sounds fucking nuts, but it really could.
00:39:17.000There's so much money involved in marijuana.
00:39:20.000And right now, it's all slipping through the cracks.
00:39:23.000It's all going on either illegally or it's a state as a medicinal sort of a thing, and then they get eventually busted by the DEA because it's not federal.
00:39:32.000If they ease up that, it changes our whole culture.
00:39:38.000And once people realize all the things you can do with marijuana that don't involve getting high, when they realize the benefits of hemp, which has been illegal forever in this fucking country, since the 1930s, as long as marijuana's been illegal, we can't grow hemp.
00:39:52.000And the non-psychoactive form of marijuana.
00:39:56.000So the stalks of marijuana make insanely good paper.
00:40:00.000They make tremendous building materials that are biodegradable and last forever and are stronger than steel.
00:40:22.000So what you're getting when you get hemp, you're either getting various strains, which are like, I think technically you wouldn't refer to it as a cousin, but it does get referred to as a cousin all the time, but people correct me online.
00:41:08.000The fact that it's illegal is just outside of the psychoactive effects.
00:41:13.000If it had no effect on the human body whatsoever, just for its ability to use it in building materials, the ability to make clothes and paper and oil.
00:41:23.000Henry Ford's first fucking car had hemp.
00:41:26.000All of the body panels were made out of hemp.
00:43:06.000But I mean, on just the principle of it, where were all these fucking people, and I've said this before, crying about privacy when they couldn't get enough of Mel Gibson's private voicemails or Alec Baldwin's phone calls or Tiger Woods' private texts?
00:43:21.000Now, I understand we look at them as entertainment value.
00:43:25.000The people also are comfortable seeing those things and making judgments and treating people a certain way because of them.
00:43:32.000So they didn't give a fuck that anybody else's privacy was violated.
00:43:50.000And no one gets away with anything anymore.
00:43:52.000So I wish the American people would stop being so nosy and minding everyone's business but their own and I would completely be against the NSA. But until that happens, fuck them.
00:44:01.000I love the fact that their privacy is being violated too and they can see how it feels.
00:44:13.000That self-righteousness that people have Like with Paula Deen, they're comfortable allowing her to be lynched publicly and no one is stepping up and going, you know what, I've said some shitty things.
00:44:24.000No one expresses that honesty in themselves and gives each other breaks on inappropriate things that we say.
00:44:31.000We're allowing moments to define who people are.
00:44:46.000I don't know what Paula Deen actually did, but if you listen to the people that work with her, she sounds like she was a funny, racist, all-white lady.
00:46:10.000Where was one ounce of honesty in this guy?
00:46:13.000Maybe you've never said that word, but are you going to tell me you've never in your life, under oath, you could say you've never said a racially insensitive thing?
00:46:24.000And his problem is that he's a talking head on television who's not allowed to have anything even remotely controversial to come out of his mouth.
00:46:34.000And he's also terrified because he's in that box.
00:47:07.000And I think this is an issue that really needed to be addressed like that.
00:47:10.000You can't, like, have a quick Matt Lauer interview with this scared lady, and a scared old lady that has fucking death threats coming in from black people all day, I'm sure.
00:47:36.000Not one person I've ever met has ever admitted they were racist.
00:47:40.000And what I hate about these fucking, these white people whose idea of combating racism is just targeting other white people who have said something inappropriate is simply their way of deflecting attention from themselves and their own, I think they have superiority complexes.
00:47:55.000And I think, like, I can't walk up to my black friends and tell them, hey, I'm not a racist.
00:48:00.000But if Paula Deen acts like one, then I can use her to mirror how good I am.
00:48:10.000Yeah, I agree with you that there's a lot of people that love to do that moral high ground thing.
00:48:15.000They love, by not, by telling you that you're doing something wrong, they're not just telling you that you're doing something wrong, they're telling you that they're awesome.
00:50:01.000But I have nothing against a feminist.
00:50:02.000If she's reasonable and she's fighting for women to get what they deserve, I'm for it.
00:50:07.000When they language police and they nitpick because their cause is not as needed as it was 20 years ago, then I hate their guts like any other special interest group.
00:50:15.000But when they're fighting for what's right and legitimately getting the right amount of money...
00:50:19.000I don't think women should be sexually harassed at work.
00:50:21.000These guys are like this fucking cocksucker in San Diego who's grabbing women and being a complete piece of shit and saying he didn't know.
00:50:33.000It would be hard to imagine your wife being at work with some lech all day who's constantly harassing her and bothering her and brushes her cock by her when he walks by her in the hall.
00:50:44.000That kind of shit, that happens to people at work.
00:50:47.000People go, look, I was just walking by.
00:51:15.000That's why movies vary and music varies and stand-up comedy varies.
00:51:20.000There's people that like all kinds of different shit, but a lot of men don't want women to be women.
00:51:26.000And a lot of women don't want men to be men.
00:51:28.000They want them to be what they want them to be.
00:51:30.000And when you have some asshole who wants you to be a certain way and you have to work for that dick and you're a woman, that's a special place in hell.
00:51:41.000I mean, that's a fucking horrible place in hell.
00:52:10.000It was just like rotting at him, like all day, every day, with someone who you couldn't talk back to, who was just fucking with you, and pestering you, and berating you, and insulting you, and there's not a damn thing you can do about it.
00:52:24.000She was talking to him in a way that a regular man, like a man in the street that you didn't owe anything to, would never talk to you unless he was ready to fight.
00:52:32.000But she would just get in his face and point at him and say crazy shit to him.
00:53:02.000I think we should be able to do whatever we want.
00:53:04.000The problem is when you start looking out for your own, when you start looking out for a gender, a generalization, you start going towards one gender only, emphasizing that one gender's inadequacies, In our society, the problem is you become a gang,
00:53:21.000Right, but the thing is, what I hate about people so much is they say, because they're not consistent.
00:53:29.000Like, I don't, everything should be the same, and I don't want, nothing should be different, unless you're talking about diversity, then it's good.
00:53:35.000I don't like any kind of profiling, it's wrong, unless, of course, it's an ethnic pride parade.
00:53:42.000Then we can all profile and it's a delightful idea.
00:54:33.000I'm certainly not a big fan of anything where anyone who is the weaker is getting bullied, whether it's a physical, whether it's a sexual thing or a physical thing or a man bugging a woman.
00:55:10.000And the idea that that's not the case, the idea that a situation where a man who gets taken by a woman in a divorce in some fucking horrible way, where, you know, you find, I mean, I could go into this for days, but I'm sure we all know guys who've just been raped in divorce.
00:55:28.000Some of us do radio with him every day.
00:57:57.000And then they say, well, you know, white people have benefited from that system.
00:58:01.000So what's happening is in an effort to balance the fucking playing field a little bit, a lot of us today are being treated unfairly because the balancing act is making things go so far.
00:59:00.000We still have a big segment of our country that can't get married and they're treated like second-class citizens, but yet we go around and tell other countries how to live their lives.
00:59:08.000We're so full of shit, it makes me nuts!
00:59:10.000Well, I think there's a real legitimate argument in the idea that until it balances out, until everyone completely relaxes on discrimination towards gays, like, there's no discrimination on bachelors anymore.
00:59:26.000You know, like if a man is a 50-year-old man, he says, I'm just not getting married again.
00:59:29.000There's no discrimination or social pariah.
00:59:33.000But if he decides to marry a man, then it is.
01:00:13.000And every single interaction that you have, where humor could potentially be crafted from it, can be taken in a whole wide variety of different ways.
01:04:02.000Opie and Anthony is my favorite show ever to do, because it's such a hang, and everybody's making everybody else laugh.
01:04:09.000And it's like what we were talking about before the show today.
01:04:12.000It's like, what's okay for you and I... To talk about in our jobs as stand-up comedians, for most people, those same words and thoughts would get you fired.
01:04:23.000It would get you kicked out of the office.
01:04:30.000So when you're hanging out with Opie, And Anthony Cumia and you guys are just talking mad shit and you're on the air as you're walking across the street and you're just trying to make each other laugh.
01:04:40.000And one of the things that people do when they try to make each other laugh is they cross the line.
01:04:44.000They completely, brutally cross the line.
01:04:48.000You brutally cross the line, you gotta jump on the homeless guy's cake!
01:04:51.000And Opie, you know, in doing that, it sounds like a cop-out on my part because he's my friend, and I would never have done what he did, but I know what his motivation was.
01:05:01.000Exactly, and our audience will accept a lot, but honestly, there is a humanity to them.
01:05:06.000Like, that homeless shopping spree we would do, the homeless guys would never mistreat.
01:05:10.000Like, literally, they would treat like rock stars.
01:05:27.000But it didn't feel as literal as, oh my god, he's a millionaire stepping on the food of a homeless man.
01:05:33.000Because I don't think that was the intent behind it other than just being a dick in that moment to a guy who he knew we had given food and money to and we were going to give money to the...
01:06:11.000Because your show was the only show that I'd ever done where there was no rigid set of this is this now, and then we're going to go to the wacky five at five, and then there's Bob on the chopper.
01:07:32.000But it was a fun, friendly, to watch him go like, oh, oh, like to see him give in.
01:07:39.000It was one of my favorite moments of all time in that, just to see this, because he was such a giant of a guy intellectually.
01:07:47.000The greatest mistake people could make with Patrice was to think, ah, he's a big, loud black guy.
01:07:51.000Patrice was a brilliant motherfucker and could out-talk almost anybody and could out-logic almost.
01:07:58.000So when you had moments like that, it was friendly.
01:08:01.000It wasn't like an aggressive argument.
01:08:03.000You're like, ah, that just was one of the most satisfying moments of my career.
01:08:06.000Yeah, well, it's the opportunity to be around fun people like that, the rare human beings that you don't necessarily come across.
01:08:14.000If you have a regular job, if you're working as an insurance salesman, how many Patrice O'Neill's do you come across in your life that you get to hang out with for hours?
01:08:22.000No, just probably calling because they're late on their payments.
01:08:26.000One more thing, by the way, before I forget, I wanted to say about Opie, too, about Homeless.
01:08:31.000He's the one, not that it matters, but he's the guy that pushed Homeless Mustard through, Daniel Mustard, and tried to get him a recording contract and really tried to take care of the guy.
01:08:40.000That's that guy who sang that song, Creep?
01:08:51.000But again, don't think you understand the totality of a guy because he did one silly thing in a different context to make his radio guys and some fans laugh.
01:08:59.000You're so good at breaking shit down, dude.
01:09:32.000And what I loved about it, man, was first of all, you never got upset.
01:09:35.000You were rational and logical, and you were talking about it in a very measured way, and you're being really friendly while you're discussing this.
01:09:46.000And, you know, in her defense, it's a very tricky subject to breach for a woman, and she was saying a lot of shit like comedy clubs are filled with rooms filled with angry men, and you didn't even flinch.
01:11:15.000If I said I didn't know if she was beaten in a port-a-potty or raped in a port-a-potty, nobody would have laughed because they're too close.
01:11:41.000But I think that as long as your intention is genuinely to be funny and not to humiliate a person for real, I think it's allowable, and it has to be, because it gets to be too subjective after that.
01:12:00.000But when you're being hypercritical about it and trying to get people to stop doing it, you're going to make it so that that art form is not available.
01:12:09.000The really fucked up thing that you don't mean art form is not available.
01:14:01.000I'd like to grab him by the ankles and smash his skull onto a fucking sink.
01:14:05.000And it was a Caligula reference to the end of Caligula.
01:14:09.000And it made me – the speed at which he put those words together and the violence attached to that and the imagery of that, I've never laughed hard at anything anybody's ever said in a comedy club because I knew what had just happened.
01:14:24.000I immediately saw the end of Caligula where they grabbed the ankles and they smashed the fucking head into the steps.
01:14:30.000And I'm like, the genius to pull that out in this moment and word it that quickly.
01:14:48.000Because if he had just said that and I hadn't seen Caligula, I might not have laughed as hard, but the fact that I immediately saw what he did with it, I wanted to hug him for that.
01:14:57.000I'm like, you brilliant, brilliant guy.
01:15:02.000And his style of comedy, much like Dice's style of comedy, is ridiculous, over-the-top, things they don't really mean.
01:15:10.000Like, Dice has some bit about how a woman gets pregnant, and it's one of the most hilarious, ridiculous bits, because it goes into, like, this medical, or how you can make a gay kid.
01:16:32.000Like, let's just say the same mentality.
01:16:34.000That would target dice or that would say you should get in trouble for a gay joke are the exact same people who would stand up and defend Mapplethorpe.
01:16:43.000They're the same people who would defend Piss Christ and say that the National Endowment of the Arts should have paid for Piss Christ because who cares?
01:18:13.000But at the end of the day, it's something that someone creates.
01:18:16.000And when Otto says, you know, I'd like to pick him up by his fucking ankles and slam his head into a sink, and you're laughing, that means he delivered art to the person who likes that art.
01:18:27.000And I feel the same way when I see, like when I saw Dice, or when I saw you in Austin, same feeling.
01:19:07.000One of the things that came up in the conversation with her was that she was talking about rape jokes, and meanwhile she had a photo on her Twitter of Jeff Goldblum, who was in Death Wish.
01:19:20.000He enacted a really horrific rape scene.
01:19:30.000There was no hee-hee-ha-ha, no double entendres.
01:19:32.000And yet, an actor doing that in that piece of art, somehow or another, is exonerated from the impact.
01:19:39.000And this idea that you should know that one-third of the audience, I think, is the current thing they're enjoying banding about.
01:19:47.000When people talk about, I shouldn't say they're enjoying, I don't want to dismiss it, but the people who really believe this believe that one third of all women have been either sexually assaulted or raped and there's people that dispute that and there's a lot of it is based on a certain study from I believe it was 1987 and there's a lot of Questions that are very controversial in that study.
01:20:08.000Like they'd say, if you ever had sex with someone and then regretted it, or we were coerced into having sex, and things along those lines.
01:20:34.000But for you to get mad at someone who doesn't choose to, it's like, ooh, this is a slippery slope.
01:20:39.000And I know people don't think it's a slippery slope because you think it's all just about protecting people's feelings, especially victims' feelings.
01:20:48.000At the end of the day, we're gonna have to go over this whole motherfucker with a fine-tooth comb if you want to do that.
01:20:55.000You can't just single out stand-up comedy because it's coming from one person and not a giant movie where a woman gets assaulted and beaten or raped or whatever.
01:21:02.000I mean, all of it has to be looked at.
01:21:31.000And I literally wanted to cry at the end of it because I'm like, that is what we should be doing.
01:21:38.000It is taking everything horrible that we experience, and I mean horrible, and making a room full of people laugh about it.
01:21:46.000And when we walked out of there, my feelings about 9-11 had not changed, my feelings about rape, my feelings about AIDS. Not one thing she said made me value those real experiences less.
01:21:56.000Not one thing she said made me devalue anything, made me lose respect for the horror of 9-11.
01:22:02.000Nothing changed for me other than I was able to temporarily laugh at something that I knew was awful.
01:22:07.000So why wouldn't I give my audience the same credit for being able to come to the conclusion I came to watching Joan Rivers?
01:22:13.000Well, to take their argument, it would be because you haven't been raped, you haven't been murdered, you didn't lose loved ones in 9-11, and that what you should be doing by omitting rape jokes is you should be avoiding triggers, PTSD triggers,
01:22:29.000avoiding people freaking out and thinking about their rape while they're at a comedy show, just trying to have a good time.
01:22:34.000And so their opinion is set up entirely to protect the victims of these crimes.
01:22:39.000It's not like a person like you has A certain sensibility about 9-11.
01:22:43.000Joan Rivers defies that sensibility but does it in a humorous way and you walk away with the same opinions that you had going in.
01:22:49.000Because that's not really what you're dealing with.
01:22:51.000What you're dealing with is a victimization crime.
01:22:53.000A crime where someone's been dehumanized and them being in the audience watching you talk about that.
01:22:58.000You should be more sensitive than that.
01:23:27.000And if you break down humor like that, like you said, fine-tooth comb, every single joke or 90% of the jokes you do, unless you're talking about balloons or bouncing a ball, have hurt somebody.
01:23:39.000Well, you talk about, oh my god, was I drunk driving?
01:23:43.000Children being killed by drunk driving is not funny.
01:23:45.000If we get that literal with humor, then Almost all jokes comics tell are going to be up for a careful examination.
01:23:55.000I think Matt and Trey said it's either all okay or none of it's okay.
01:23:58.000I won't make pedophile jokes when Kevin fucking Bacon can't play him in The Woodsman.
01:24:03.000I won't do gun jokes when fucking Hollywood can't tell me how bad guns are and then they make a movie called Two Guns, which I have no objection to.
01:24:11.000But then don't fucking preach to me about guns, motherfuckers.
01:24:24.000And it's a very important point, the idea of censorship.
01:24:28.000I can understand that people don't want someone in the audience to be impacted negatively about you making light of something that's a horrific crime that they've suffered from personally.
01:24:39.000But that doesn't mean you should stop.
01:25:09.000So the same way should be with certain types of humor.
01:25:12.000And when you break it down, what's the worst that can happen if you see something?
01:25:17.000Am I going to talk about something that they don't show on Law& Order constantly?
01:25:21.000Jesus, the whole thing's a fucking rape-murder fest.
01:25:23.000Everything people like is a rape or a murder or some kind of voyeurism.
01:25:27.000And I will acknowledge and honor people's abhorrence to violence when there's an accident in the southbound lane and the traffic in my lane doesn't slow down.
01:25:39.000People slow down to look because they want to see it.
01:25:42.000They want to fucking see it on some level, but they don't admit they want to see it.
01:25:47.000Well, there's a weird exclusion thing, too, if you're discussing rape and you're not discussing murder.
01:25:54.000If you have anything that involves rape in a tweet or something, you're a piece of shit, or you should have had a trigger warning in there.
01:26:04.000This is the attitude that a lot of people are taking about this stuff.
01:26:06.000But why doesn't anybody have the same issues about murders?
01:26:59.000There's like zero push to take murder off the menu.
01:27:01.000Their argument would be, and again, this is what they would say, is because rape, murder victims, you're not taught to be silent about murder.
01:27:10.000You're taught to be silent about rape.
01:27:12.000And there's a lot of rape victims who are too scared to report the crime.
01:27:15.000No one is scared to report a murder, unless it's a mob thing.
01:27:18.000They're saying the perception of the crime is different and there's such a shame with it where there's not a shame with murder, there's not a shame with these other things.
01:27:26.000And again, I heard what she said and I listened to it and I did get it, but I don't do a whole shitload of jokes on rape victims anyway.
01:27:37.000But if that's the case, and it probably is the case, then be for castration of rapists.
01:27:43.000Or fight the fact that the recidivism rate is so high in these fucking pigs because they're being let out of jail.
01:27:51.000Contributing to a fucking rape culture is nonsense, and to say a comedian contributes to rape culture is simply bullshit, and it's simplistic thinking.
01:28:00.000It's a way of saying, I don't like what you're saying, and I don't want you to say it, But I can't come out with that, so I have to find a higher reason which makes it sound like you shouldn't say it for this reason.
01:28:11.000Well, even the term rape culture, you know, someone on my message board said, do they have like meetings?
01:28:26.000When you put quotes around that, it starts to be real.
01:28:29.000And I don't mean that it's going to encourage people to rape, but I mean the idea that there's a culture that supports rape is going to be real.
01:28:36.000It's going to be something that people address as if it's real, regardless of whether or not it is.
01:28:50.000What we have a problem with in this country is a lot of people are making shitty human beings.
01:28:56.000There's a lot of terrible fucking parents who are doing a shitty job.
01:28:59.000And they're making shitty human beings.
01:29:01.000And they're also raising these shitty human rings around a bunch of other kids that were created by shitty human beings.
01:29:07.000And they don't know what the fuck they're doing either.
01:29:08.000And no one's paying attention to their kids.
01:29:10.000Making a human being and raising a human being is a massive undertaking.
01:29:15.000And all the people out there that are doing their best, I commend you and congratulate you.
01:29:20.000All the parents out there that are taking their kid to wrestling classes and martial arts and their daughter to dance classes or martial arts if she wants to do it or anything.
01:29:28.000Where you're getting them involved in activities, building discipline in them, developing their character.
01:29:34.000Most people don't get that in this life.
01:30:51.000Like, honestly, I think that would change a little bit if we dragged a few of those business guys, not all of them, but a few of them into the street and killed them in the street.
01:30:57.000I think that they would stop stealing people's money.
01:32:21.000I think we talked about this last podcast, and we briefly talked about it today.
01:32:26.000I just found out the blue cigarettes, the one that we always talk about with that one dude in it, the sexy guy that's smoking a fake cigarette, Stephen Dorff.
01:32:34.000That company, Blue, is owned by the third largest tobacco company.
01:36:29.000For a comedian, the only thing you could do better with them as a network is just do it and shoot it yourself and put it on your own TV because they're very, very good about leaving you alone.
01:36:39.000Which is all a comedian wants is to be left the fuck alone from a network.
01:36:43.000I know that Sam Roberts is in town right now.
01:36:45.000Are you guys going to Get to hook up and do anything?
01:38:46.000I think that the same thing that we were talking about, how there's a broad spectrum of art that people like, whether it's music or movies or whatever, there's also a broad spectrum of content distribution methods.
01:39:00.000And the one that we've all been stuck with was television.
01:39:04.00015 minutes commercial, another 15 minutes commercial, all these fucking commercials and all these breaks and all this editing and all this censorship and all this shit they're trying to sell in between in Toyota cars and Tide fucking detergent and all this shit that they're doing,
01:39:19.000other than the actual performance itself, then all of a sudden the internet comes along.
01:39:24.000And then, like Louis C.K. did, you release it all, you sell it for five bucks, you watch the whole thing, it's an entirety, and then you go, why would I ever fucking do it any other way?
01:39:33.000Why would I try to listen to a bunch of other people try to shape it, and then put sandwich commercials in it, and then censor it?
01:39:41.000It's such a shitty way of distributing content.
01:39:48.000And Louis changed a lot of things because the networks realized that they have a certain amount of power still, but that is slipping and slipping.
01:39:55.000I think you could do an online special if you wanted to.
01:40:56.000It's also when you cut out all the other bullshit as far as networks and commercials and putting them on the amount of production money that has to be paid off by commercials and all that jazz.
01:41:13.000When we take all that out of the equation, it's pretty easy to get your money back.
01:41:17.000You don't have to sell that much to get your money back, and then it becomes profitable.
01:41:20.000Unless you're dealing with one of these fucking networks or production companies that want to sneak in a 30% distribution fee on top of everything.
01:42:11.000And, you know, in my opinion, like, that move that where we guys shifted over to Sirius Satellite Radio, that changed a lot of, like, people's ideas of, like, how to do a radio show.
01:42:21.000Because between you guys and Stern, all of a sudden we heard swearing on a regular basis on a radio show.
01:43:02.000But my voice is heard a lot, and I'm freed up to do my stand-up, which is what I want to do, and I have two shows that I want to get on the air.
01:43:14.000One talk show, and I have one scripted show, which I actually think is good, and I'm ultra-critical of my shit, and I always think it stinks, but I'm actually happy with this, so hopefully I'll be able to get it sold or do it online.
01:43:25.000I'm just not big enough to do it online yet.
01:43:27.000I hope you never leave ONA, but if you ever did leave ONA, you would have a gigantic fucking podcast.
01:44:18.000So it's like 100 megabytes up and down.
01:44:20.000It's a tremendous internet connection.
01:44:21.000So now we can stream easy with no hiccups, download things at ridiculous speeds.
01:44:26.000Before we were crippled with a shitty DSL connection.
01:44:29.000There's a lot of things that go into building one of these things or hiring people to build one of these things, but it's cool to do because it's cool to make it your way.
01:50:23.000But did you think we were attacked by Afghanistan?
01:50:25.000No, but what I meant by that, and this was more to this, was the fact that the Taliban held bin Laden and shielded bin Laden and refused to give him to us.
01:50:37.000I felt that they were complicit in allowing him to operate there.
01:50:43.000So while the whole country didn't attack us, I feel, had they just given us Bin Laden, we never would have attacked Afghanistan.
01:50:49.000You're a smart guy, and you know that the line that you get from the media, whether press releases or what have you, you know it's garbage.
01:50:58.000So why would you think that they really were shielding Osama Bin Laden in Afghanistan.
01:51:03.000When you know what you know about Jessica Lynch, where they lied about Jessica Lynch being rescued, she was kidnapped, and meanwhile she was just in a hospital in Iraq, and they didn't even fire a bullet when they got her out of there, and she actually was pretty vocal about it, and in that received death threats and was threatened by numerous people that she was called a traitor because she didn't go along with the company line.
01:51:24.000And then, of course, you know the Pat Tillman story.
01:51:26.000You know the difference between his brother's version of the events and his brother's version of how his brother Pat Tillman felt about being in the war once he was there.
01:51:34.000So different from what the government was saying in their press releases.
01:51:39.000And then when we found out that it was actually Friendly Fire that killed him, it was actually killed by American troops.
01:51:44.000The whole thing becomes incredibly complex and really fucked up and you're realizing that someone's lying to you and they're painting a bad picture.
01:51:50.000So why would you assume that they're telling you the truth about Osama bin Laden being hid by the Taliban in Afghanistan?
01:53:35.000I firmly believe, I do think that he was there, and I do think that they just caught him the way they said.
01:53:40.000I don't believe everything the government tells me, at all.
01:53:42.000But in this particular case, it makes sense to me, and it's not that difficult a stretch for me to make, that he was holed up there and they finally got him.
01:54:28.000But with Afghanistan, I feel they were much more of religious fanatics, and you see the way the Taliban are, and I do think that they were protecting him and they were okay with him being there.
01:54:40.000With us lashing out at them, Iraq was a mistake, and I wish we hadn't gone there, because I think that most of the Iraq people don't give a fuck about us, and I don't think American lives should be shed over that shit.
01:54:52.000Like, I believe in pulling—get them out of Germany, too!
01:55:32.000And he wrote this whole thing about his entire career in the military being a racket.
01:55:37.000It was all about money, about bankers, and about oil companies, and about all these different things where he thought he was doing one thing, but he was really just protecting the interests of these gigantic institutions.
01:55:48.000And when you read it, it's really hard to read because it's hard to wrap your head around the fact that this was 1930-something.
01:56:07.000Just, you know, guys like Bernie Madoff and all these, it's just growing up a little bit more or looking at things differently or reading more about, you know, just whatever changes in opinion over time.
01:56:56.000I feel like with the Afghan government, again, if I found out that they weren't shielding Bin Laden, I'd say, oh God, I was wrong about that.
01:57:04.000Well, if you really find out about the Afghan government is that we pay the brother of Karzi by the CIA. He's a drug dealer.
01:57:10.000The CIA's been paying him for almost a fucking decade or something crazy like that.
01:58:32.000What a lot of people don't realize about Afghanistan is if you watch documentaries on it or talk to people that have been there, it really is like it's frozen in time.
01:58:41.000Like, there's people that are warlords and they control segments of the land and then they're bordered by other warlords and these guys have like 20 wives and...
01:58:50.000It's a weird, wacky sort of a way of life.
02:00:03.000Well, I'm childish in a lot of ways, too.
02:00:04.000But as a stand-up comedian, I think it's ridiculous for me to try to even attempt to understand what it must be like to running foreign policy.
02:00:14.000But if you look at the entirety of the situation, you would see that there would, I would think that there's probably a benefit in giving a lot of people money because they make you, they're indebted to you.
02:00:26.000Those people are indebted to you and then you can kind of do things.
02:00:35.000And we can't do all that if we don't give them money.
02:00:38.000And if we don't give them money, and then they all start fucking forming their own organizations, then it's not One World Power anymore like it is now.
02:00:46.000The reason why One World Power works is because we put the whole world...
02:00:49.000It's sort of a perpetual welfare state where the whole world relies on the United States either for military support or from financial support or something.
02:00:58.000And by doing that, it's a terrible way of looking at it, but the reality is when you have these countries that are indebted to you, those countries kind of owe you.
02:01:07.000You can get them to do shit and stay calm and they don't try to take over the world.
02:01:12.000They owe a fuckload of money, you have military bases there, and you keep things on that level.
02:01:16.000And when you tell people how many bases the United States has in other countries, most people have no idea.
02:01:22.000There's more than a hundred different countries in the world that have United States military presence.
02:01:29.000When you hear about that, you go, wait a minute, what?
02:01:35.000I really do, and I do think we're a great country.
02:01:37.000I mean, you talk about American exceptionalism.
02:01:39.000I believe a lot of it, and some of it I think is a bit overblown.
02:01:41.000But I have patriotism and pride, and this is not about me, oh, fuck America at all.
02:01:47.000I just hate the—because the same mentality that— Do as I say, not as I do shit trickles down into our daily lives and eventually affects us as comics and performers because people feel comfortable being self-righteous or duplicitous.
02:02:26.000Not only that, do you know what the reason, like, the critical boiling point was where they decided to accept his acceptance for his application for asylum?
02:02:38.000Couldn't stumble through that quick enough.
02:02:39.000The United States was criticizing Russia for trying to silence political dissent.
02:02:46.000They literally had the balls to criticize Russia for silencing political dissent while the biggest whistleblower in the history of our country is sitting in their airport.
02:03:06.000Are you guys that arrogant that you think that you can criticize us while we're holding the guy that fucking released all those documents that proved that you guys are lying twats?
02:03:30.000And they're telling the DEA... They're showing them how to fake an investigation so that they don't show that they got the records from the NSA. They're showing them how to retroactively piece together an investigation.
02:03:44.000So they say, well, we arrived at our results this way.
02:03:47.000If you already know someone's guilty because you have the NSA paperwork on them, Email, phone calls, what have you.
02:03:54.000All you have to do is zoom in on this guy and then you could find the evidence and find a reason to investigate him because you know he's guilty already.
02:04:04.000You could just piece it together easily.
02:04:05.000And again, were they doing that to American citizens for normal interactions or was it really...
02:04:12.000For people who were using the loophole of being here and communicating so we couldn't get into...
02:04:20.000It's almost like somebody once said after 9-11, the Constitution is not a suicide pact.
02:06:20.000Well, you know, sociologists have an interesting take on what's going on.
02:06:23.000And as far as our attraction to gossip and gossip magazines and TMZ-type things and celebrity gossip...
02:06:30.000And what they're saying is that we are in a weird point in time where we have the largest populations, big giant populations, but we don't know each other anymore.
02:06:39.000I mean, you live in New York City, you live in an apartment building, right?
02:06:42.000How many people live in your apartment building?
02:07:04.000So they're saying that we are missing a need for a community.
02:07:09.000And we're missing, there's like a draw of like busybodying about each other.
02:07:13.000It's like finding what the cultural parameters and boundaries are.
02:07:16.000And establishing them by talking about shit.
02:07:19.000And normally there would be like a village.
02:07:21.000And everybody in the village would be like 50, 100 people, whatever the fuck it is.
02:07:24.000And we would all kind of know each other's business and figure out what's cool and what's not cool.
02:07:28.000But when you're in this weird situation where you don't even know the people around you, And then you're watching Keeping Up With The Kardashians.
02:07:35.000That fills the void where community should be.
02:07:38.000That's why people are so goddamn attracted to quote-unquote reality shows as opposed to scripted shows.
02:07:44.000Because they know when someone's being a dickhead, there's no script.
02:07:52.000Because they're lacking a real community and a real established community.
02:07:57.000Like, group of people that you interact with on a regular basis all the time in your village.
02:08:02.000And plus, well, network TV do that to themselves by emasculating comedies and language and making everything so soft and wrapped up and palatable that reality now stands out so much more.
02:08:13.000Part of that is a lot of it, probably what you're saying, and some of it is because the writing on regular television is so soft.
02:08:19.000And that's, again, that's not, the writers are probably very good, but it's just such fucking predictable drama.
02:08:48.000And they had this ad for this Jackass film, and it's a film they did where they made up these scenarios and did all these little stunts, but they did them in front of real people.
02:08:57.000So people had no idea why it was going on.
02:11:24.000What they did was, instead of making another goofy comedy, they made a hilarious thing where they did it in front of people and the people had no idea.
02:14:46.000It's hard to say, when I'm doing good, I'm doing good, but when I'm doing bad, there's been times where literally, I get home from radio at 11, and then all of a sudden, it's like, you know, I've eaten and stuff, but it's like, man, it's 8.30, I gotta go to work.
02:17:36.000When I'm acting out sexually, I don't sleep as well.
02:17:39.000If I'm jerking off to videos right before, it fucks my mind up, man.
02:17:42.000When I'm off sex shit for a week or so and I'm not jacking off and I'm not obsessing, it's like my brain goes, And I can breathe and think normally and live normally.
02:17:52.000But when I am constantly fucking getting that dopamine drip...
02:19:19.000I would need to go to a certain 12-step meeting, which I've attempted to go to, or I've gone to, talk to people in those fellowships that get it and understand it and don't go, ah, you're just a guy being a guy.
02:20:11.000You could do it in America, but it's not legal, where you're doing this combinatory psychedelic drug that allows you to look at your life and look at all the issues that you have that's wrong.
02:20:37.000That and there's another one, another psychedelic drug called Ibogaine.
02:20:41.000Ibogaine, if you know anything about Hunter S. Thompson, that's what he accused Ed Muskie of being on during the 1970 political campaigns, presidential campaigns.
02:20:52.000He wrote some stories in the Rolling Stone saying that there was rumors that Ed Muskie had brought in a Brazilian doctor and he was high on Ibogaine.
02:21:33.000Intellectually, I know what I have to do.
02:21:35.000Yeah, but you have a pattern in your mind that needs to be reset.
02:21:38.000And you could reset your mind slowly over time, or you could reset it in one big fucking dump of information, like a DMT trip or like an Ibogaine trip.
02:21:48.000And I know you have this thing about not wanting to get high or not wanting to be intoxicated.
02:21:55.000But I think you're thinking of a completely different effect than what you're going to get on this experience.
02:23:21.000Don't get me wrong, I'm sure you probably can cure it without a psychedelic experience.
02:23:26.000But in the way you're talking about it, it sounds like a lot of other psychedelic, a lot of other obsessive, compulsive sort of things that psychedelics can cure.
02:25:20.000Yeah, if you rob three banks, and every time one of your friends gets shot and you go to jail, you're like, robbing banks is just not for me.
02:26:55.000This one I actually am very, very happy with immediately.
02:26:58.000But the other one, it took a while, and I think I had just been doing the material a little longer than I should have, and by then I was done with it.
02:27:46.000I need discipline in my life in order to keep order.
02:27:49.000But if I got like that, whether it was...
02:27:52.000Jerking off or if I got into a drug or it became like super impulsive like that I'd like to think that I would be able to pull myself back because I'm objective because I look at myself and I'm self-analyzed a lot but but I'm not that confident It's one of the reasons why I've never touched anything really addictive Besides alcohol,
02:28:11.000which isn't addictive to me, but I've never fucked with anything that could get you.
02:30:25.000I'm convinced that there are genuine and valid levels of perception available with cannabis and probably other drugs which are, through the defects of our society and our educational system, unavailable to us without such drugs.
02:33:09.000And sometimes you need that for reference, and I also like the distraction of it because it puts less pressure on me Like, even if it's on watching Black Sabbath videos.
02:33:16.000Like, I'll go on YouTube and watch Sabbath live in fucking Melbourne again, because I feel like watching Ozzy sing God is Dead for the 5,000.
02:33:22.000And that will distract me from it, and then creatively, like, oh, okay.
02:33:25.000It allows me to step away for a second mentally, because I'm just forcing myself, you know, write, write, I can't write.
02:33:31.000Have you ever thought about trying some other form of discipline, like yoga or something along those lines?
02:33:37.000And I would say that yoga would keep you from being a sex addict, but the fucking head of Bikram's is getting sued like a motherfucker for rape and sexual assault and driving a Rolls Royce, a bunch of shit.
02:34:01.000How do you fucking not become a sex addict when the girl in front of you is wearing cellophane pants and her fucking cunt is jumping out at you?
02:34:58.000Well, you talk to guys who worked at prisons, and they'll say they're peeking in the cells, and dudes are just jacking it, like, looking right at them.
02:35:42.000He's realizing he's a mess, and you're like, I'm perfect.
02:35:46.000I usually try to do it right when I wake up, where I didn't wash my hands good enough, and I was at Starbucks, and I had a little bit of lotion still on my hand when I was paying for my stuff.
02:40:50.000The merger happened, and things changed once we merged.
02:40:54.000There were disadvantages to it, and there were advantages to it.
02:40:57.000You know, I like being in our old studio at XM. The thing about Sirius I like is the guests we can get are much better because they're already in the building, so a lot of times we get people that we would not have gotten ever.
02:42:06.000I like to fucking sit there and watch fucking Greg and Tony do the heavy lifting, and I pipe in with, like you said, the fucking quick shots, or I fucking, I'm the fucking sniper in full metal jacket.
02:42:16.000I'll just shoot a few bullets and then sit back and let them do the heavy lifting, and I like that.
02:42:20.000Well, you guys have a great relationship, too.
02:42:21.000You guys have been doing it together so long.
02:42:23.000But I think if the three of you bailed together, I think you could maintain the exact same amount of income.
02:42:29.000I think it would be the exact same amount of people listening, if not more.
02:42:49.000It's basically just to get people, because they don't want to give away content either.
02:42:53.000It's just to get people who have heard of the show to check it out and see if they like it.
02:42:58.000But a lot of times the fans already have the content because they've heard it already.
02:43:02.000Well, I'm going to tell you this, man.
02:43:03.000If it wasn't for you guys, I don't think I would have ever started a podcast.
02:43:07.000And if it wasn't for Anthony doing Live from the Compound, Brian and I would have never started doing that Ustream show, the show that kind of started it out.
02:43:24.000Anthony Do It from his place really motivated me because Anthony set up a green screen and put a professional desk in there and had professional microphones and cameras.
02:43:35.000He told me he spent like a stupid amount of money to convert the downstairs of his house into a recording studio and this is a guy who already has a fucking full-time gig.
02:43:44.000And if you've never seen Live from the Compound, he did some with his ex-girlfriend, Melissa, where he would get fucking shit-faced hammered.
02:43:52.000He would do karaoke while holding a machine gun.
02:49:38.000You know, I think that a lot of our takes on these things, a lot of the interaction that we have, whether it's blog to blog or Twitter to Twitter, it's such a limited way of communicating.
02:49:47.000And a lot of these same people that we have disagreements with online, if we sat down with them in a rational, sort of normal setting like this, and just talked...
02:49:56.000We would probably see each other's point a lot better and have some healthy discussions about these things as opposed to these snipe attacks that people like to do in blogs or in Twitter and go back and forth with each other.
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