This week on the Joe Rogan Experience Podcast, we talk about the benefits of jiu-jitsu and why you should get in shape for comedy. Joe also talks about a new website called Lumosity and how it can help you increase your brain's capacity to think and remember things and how you can get in better shape by training in jiu jitsu and getting your brain in shape to be able to do things like remember information and do complex math problems and solve problems. This episode is brought to you by Lumosity, a website that's designed as a gym for your dome. As we sit here drinking Miller High Life, we're drinking a Miller high life, and we're talking about jiujitsu. You can't get better than that, and you're not going to get better at it if you don't get into shape by getting in shape by doing something that keeps you in shape. Joe talks about how important it is to be in shape, and what you should do to make sure you're in shape so you can make the most out of your time on stage and on stage. We also talk about how you need to get into Jiu-Jitsu, and how to get in good shape so that you can be the best version of yourself on stage, which is the most important part of your day to day work you can do to get the best you can possibly do for comedy and stand the best of yourself. Enjoy! Thank you to Lumosity for sponsoring the show! -Joe Rogan and thanks to Eddie Bravo for being a good friend of the show, and for helping us out with the equipment and time and money we got us out on the road to do this episode. Cheers, Eddie Bravo, we appreciate you, we really appreciate you. -Lumosity, we love you, brozz, thank you, thanks, we got this, we are so much, we hope you like it, we'll see you next week! XOXO, Joe, we will see you back next week, see you soon, see ya soon, bye. XO, bye! -JOEYO! -Eddie Bravo, Joe -Jonah - -Josie, -SORRY, JOSEPH - SONGS, EJ, JOE, JUICY, JOBY, SORRY! -
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00:02:53.000I've had conversations with mathematicians, just random guys that have met places, and started talking to them about that fucking goodwill hunting shit when they write on the chalkboard and all those weird...
00:03:03.000I knew it a little bit meant in algebra, because algebra was kind of easy to me and it was all that shit, but I don't remember what it means now.
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00:04:01.000You need, like, you gotta be in shape.
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00:04:10.000I think it's like that with everything you do, man.
00:04:12.000I remember how to multiply numbers and add them and subtract them and write them up, right?
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00:08:04.000And that's like, it's almost like, it's almost to fully understand, no one knows exactly what we're about and how the fuck we're, why we're here, but it's gonna have something to do with them damn numbers that they're working on, right?
00:08:17.000It's gonna, like, the meaning of the universe has something, there's a connection, and they're closer to figuring it out than we are, you know?
00:08:25.000Yeah, that's what life's about, is really connecting As far as connecting a punch, connecting a triangle, the whole world is connected.
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00:22:27.000As soon as you recognize you're in a dream, you have to recognize that you have the power to do whatever you want.
00:22:32.000The only time I ever had a lucid dream happen because of something I did was something I saw in a movie where a guy was saying when you go through a door, you should knock on the door and say, am I dreaming?
00:22:42.000And do it every day when you go through doors.
00:22:44.000Like whenever you go through a door, knock, knock, am I dreaming?
00:22:47.000So that becomes like a habit when you go through doors.
00:22:49.000So when you go through a door in your dream, I did this for a while, and then I went through a door in my dream and I went...
00:24:37.000Because you have fight or flight, so when you're all fight or flight, say you get home from a late night workout or you're just beasting the Joe Rogan on it, kettlebells, feeling like a beast, and you're at night, well, you could be tired, but your body is still reacting to the fight or flight mode, like, we just did this workout, what do we got to do next?
00:24:52.000And if you actually take time and you slow down your breathing, you tell your nervous system to slow down, okay, it's time to relax, which actually releases natural hormones, which I'm sure you're capable of, but In dreams, I've had dreams on these type of supplements where I felt like I could literally push off the ground and I was flying in the air.
00:25:11.000And I kept telling myself when I woke up, I'm like, man, I got to remember that.
00:25:14.000So I tell myself almost like you're knocking on the door, remember that.
00:25:16.000And I was transforming in these dreams.
00:25:19.000I'd fly here and then I would go somewhere else.
00:25:21.000And when I remembered that, I looked it up and it was like, you're in control of your life.
00:25:25.000You can control your destiny right now.
00:25:28.000So sometimes I'd have some good positive results, and then sometimes it's like you got bit by something, and then you gotta look it up, and it's just like, oh, you're just going through a rough one right now.
00:25:36.000And you're like, yeah, no doubt, right?
00:26:59.000While we were doing the commercials, it was just too good.
00:27:01.000I had to stop and just make the podcast live because on Sirius Satellite Radio, none of that other stuff will go on because it's all the commercials.
00:27:08.000I'm here with Jeremy Stevens, Little Heathen in the house, and the great Eddie Bravo, my brother.
00:27:14.000And we're going to talk about the UFC for sure, but right now we're talking about lucid dreaming, and Eddie was bringing up the fact that if you study methods, there's books that they have, there's exercises that you can do, where you can try to figure out how to get yourself in a state where you can have a lucid dream,
00:27:31.000and you did it a couple times earlier.
00:27:32.000And again, lucid dreams, a lot of people think lucid dreams are crystal clear dreams.
00:27:36.000Lucid dreaming is when you know you are dreaming, not a crystal clear profound dream.
00:27:42.000It's when you figure out you're dreaming, you can control everything.
00:28:14.000It's easier just to go to fucking sleep.
00:28:16.000What if you got to like, if it's a five DVD series, you got to like DVD number five and it's like, and I'm going to come to my house and you're going to unzip my pants and you're going to suck my cock.
00:29:21.000I remember a couple I'll never forget.
00:29:22.000Well, isn't it amazing that when your hormones are at your highest, that's when you're the youngest and dumbest and not able to control that shit at all?
00:29:35.000It's like you went through your whole life feeling like pretty much the same dude, just slowly growing, and then all of a sudden you get into a storm of confusion in high school where your dick is hard all day.
00:29:47.000You don't know what the fuck is going on, and God forbid you find a girl is willing to touch your dick.
00:29:51.000Oh my God, you stick to her like glue.
00:33:42.000It's usually guys that are just getting into the game.
00:33:45.000When John Jones, before he joined Jackson's camp, he was up in upstate New York and didn't have guys like his level around there and went over to Jackson's and then really started to catch his stride.
00:34:33.000I'm watching a GSP and I'm watching Johnny Hendricks.
00:34:36.000I'm watching them and I'm really thinking, I don't know if this is a bad thing to say, but I'm thinking, like, who cares who wins here because Tyrone Woodley's gonna come and fuck both these dudes up.
00:34:47.000Well, Tyrone Woodley just lost to Jake Shields.
00:34:56.000He's an amazing athlete, but Tyron Woodley, he's, you know, he really has to, he beat Koscheck, but he really has to face like the really high level guys like Carlos Kahn did and we'll see like if he's capable.
00:35:09.000And if he's not capable of beating that caliber guy now, or he wasn't maybe a year ago when he fought Marquardt, he's going to keep getting better and better and better.
00:36:47.000I think, you know, what happens with even the Brazilian fighters too is high-level Jiu-Jitsu black belts, they'll come in, and they definitely are not where they need to be with their striking.
00:37:00.000And some of them, like super high-level guys, they come in and try MMA, and they just haven't spent enough time with their striking, and they'll just...
00:37:10.000Leave MMA and just go back to jujitsu because they didn't get...
00:37:32.000As long as they just keep going and keep the consistency up, all of a sudden, Fabio Verdum is a dangerous striker now.
00:37:39.000All of a sudden, Damian Maia is a real legit striker now.
00:37:42.000You find out what type of man you are when you're winning, you're on top, everybody thinks you're all good, but then when you lose, you're like, man, I really got to work on some things.
00:37:51.000But you find out what type of man this guy's going to be.
00:38:41.000Do you think that you just cut down from 155 to 145 pounds, and that's like one of the big issues in MMA that people keep talking about is the amount of weight guys cut and how they cut it.
00:38:52.000You know, a guy like Tyron Woodley, what does he weigh?
00:39:21.000I remember this friend of mine back home, D'Amico, and he was just this big dude.
00:39:25.000We used to work together at the same company and he would just eat whatever, Chips, hot dogs, whatever, and he was just always jacked, man.
00:40:46.000I was just going to gym, to gym, whichever was the best I was there.
00:40:49.000So I think I just credit that to, like we said, my coaches and then making that cut, I need the George Lockhart and Fitness VT because he gives me everything.
00:44:13.000But if you get into a lacrosse ball and you're able to break up your pec minor, your pec major, your lats, your traps, you know, even like your scapula and you're able to get into those knots that are hurting, your elbow's not going to hurt anymore because you're elongating the muscles that need to be elongated, you know?
00:44:27.000Are you talking about like a rumble roller?
00:47:45.000But I think also, it's just fucking hard to keep up, I think, what you're saying about the day in, day out, day in, day out, and intensify that even more when you're in The Champ, and you're in the top of a hill with a bunch of hungry sharks nipping at your feet.
00:47:58.000I bet you're stressed out all the time, man.
00:47:59.000I'm telling you, you got to have those type of lacrosse balls.
00:48:02.000You got to keep your stress levels down because if you're stressed out all the time, say a fight week, I'm stressed out all week.
00:48:16.000By the time you go to fight and you need all those hormones that you need to go boost yourself up, get yourself back into that mode, Your body's going to be like, no, bro, we're already tapped out.
00:48:27.000So then you're just like, boom, you just hit a crash.
00:48:29.000As compared to if you're relaxed all week, you're chilling out, you're just thinking the good vibes, weight's going down, things are just going beautiful, everything's looking sharp, but you're just keeping yourself relaxed the whole time.
00:48:39.000So then when you go to fight, you're energized.
00:48:42.000To the max, you're like, boom, all right, now this is what we train for.
00:48:45.000Yeah, that's the adrenaline dump, right?
00:48:47.000All week or few days leading up to it.
00:49:48.000I'd have to give the poster away, man.
00:49:50.000I don't like looking at stuff like that.
00:49:52.000I read this book one time, this architect, because people would come up to me like, oh man, what was your favorite fight or whatever?
00:49:58.000And I always tell them my next one, you know, because I just think of, like, visualization, you know, visionary, you know, like, always want, like, it was a cool knockout, I appreciate everybody giving me, like, all the love, but there's still more work in the gym that I've been working on, you know, and I've been at this for a while, but I really feel like I'm just starting to,
00:50:59.000Actually, my highlight reel is so old because anytime I put something for the UFC up there, they just take it down, you know, so I don't really get a chance.
00:52:55.000I think he got a raw deal because I think that...
00:52:58.000If there's something wrong with what he did, then there's something wrong with what Dan Henderson did to Bisping or what you just did right there.
00:54:17.000And we just start throwing down, and that's the type of guy Diego is.
00:54:21.000And he does bring that out in you, man.
00:54:22.000I've had the funnest times training with Diego Sanchez.
00:54:25.000I owe him a lot, you know, for me being here, getting to the next level.
00:54:28.000Him and Josh Neer, like, one of my inspirational dudes.
00:54:31.000And I'm hanging out with these guys when I'm young, and when he had a chance to invite me out and train with them, like, I had the funnest time training with Diego Sanchez.
00:56:39.000I'm just saying you can't knock Russel Marpa Harris because it happens a lot.
00:56:42.000When Dan Anderson cracked Bisping in that situation, there is a chance.
00:56:46.000I don't know exactly what was going on in Dan Harrison's brain, but there was a shot where he knows he's out, but I'm going to fuck him up one more time.
00:57:50.000I know it wasn't exactly the same because I am aware the ref did stop him, but it was the amount of time, and it's almost like you crack a dude like that and tap in a bunch.
00:58:01.000You know, like the fighter, there have been times where a guy gets cracked, he knocks out, he knocks the guys out and goes, I'm not going to hit him again.
00:59:00.000Because he doesn't really listen and he enjoys it and he enjoys the reputation of being a guy that rips knees apart because he's done it before.
01:00:16.000He'd always tell me, he goes, because I train with him, and he's always like, no matter what, even when I feel like I'm in a horrible position...
01:00:23.000And he's like, there's many options here, Jeremy.
01:00:38.000It's a real shame that Gene Lister had to go into MMA. Because I think there should be a real professional jiu-jitsu on television, like on ESPN. The same way they have...
01:00:48.000Just figure out how to do an Abu Dhabi-style, submission-only thing, put it on TV, and it would be gigantic.
01:00:54.000Jiu-Jitsu would be a good base for that to maybe come in the future for a UFC event, but I think Jiu-Jitsu and submission wrestling would be a solid big deal.
01:01:04.000Yeah, I think by itself, I think just by itself, jujitsu is still very, very exciting.
01:01:09.000And there's some guys that are just never going to make that transition to striking.
01:01:11.000It's like we were talking about with some guys just don't, they just don't get there.
01:01:16.000And some guys do, like Fabrizio Verdum or Damian Maia or what have you.
01:01:33.000Or something right in between, like combat jiu-jitsu is right in between.
01:01:36.000No striking standing, it's wrestling standing, but on the ground you could punch to the face.
01:01:40.000It's right in the middle between no-gi grappling And MMA. It's not quite as hardcore as MMA, but it's more exciting because on the ground, it'd be less stalling because you could punch to the face on the ground.
01:01:52.000It's almost like old UFC without maybe the violence that people don't want to see.
01:01:56.000So you have this Russian Sambo dude versus this Brazilian in the Olympics.
01:02:33.000That's what I'm saying, that those guys would face like a jiu-jitsu guy.
01:02:37.000Back in the early days, it was like a boxer versus this, so if we got this in the Olympics, I think everybody from some sort of grappling would want to be like, okay, let's compete with these people.
01:02:45.000Yeah, and the safety level is amazingly high when you think about, you know, the injury rates in NASCAR, the injury rates in fucking polo, you know?
01:02:55.000I mean, dudes get jacked riding horses, man.
01:03:58.000It's natural to feel those thoughts and wonder, because I've actually been clipped before Before that time, I just thought it was almost like a Mike Tyson thing.
01:04:56.000I'm sitting here talking to you, Rogan, and you too as well, so I'm all pumped up.
01:05:01.000I'd have never done this if it wasn't for MMA, so it's changed my life.
01:05:05.000The moment I stopped having fun with it and stopped learning, just like Charles Darwin said, the longest to survive was the one to adapt to change.
01:07:36.000There was no UFC. There was nowhere to go.
01:07:38.000And then, you know, I went from comedy.
01:07:40.000I was on a television show called News Radio.
01:07:43.000And from News Radio, I watched the first UFC. When I was there, it was like, you know, I first saw it in, like, I think it was probably like 95. I probably caught it like a year or two after it had started.
01:09:04.000Yeah, you had a calm demeanor on there.
01:09:05.000I remember this one time, because I knew you were like...
01:09:07.000Maybe it was 2000. Maybe it was 2000. Big fight guy, and then the way there was this guy having this attitude and this crazy, and you were like, whoa, whoa, bro.
01:09:16.000Chill out, and the guy tried to come at you.
01:11:10.000No, you just tell that dude was a straight hothead, and the way you handled it, I was like, man, this guy obviously has some type of martial arts self-control, you know?
01:11:16.000So you're working on lead leg sidekick, like Conor McGregor?
01:15:03.000I love a dude who, like, was a champion at one point in time, was WEC champion, and then went through a bad streak where he was losing the guys he should never lose to, lost his motivation, was going back to college, and then all of a sudden, gets it back together again.
01:16:02.000I was 18 years old and I worked and it was horrible.
01:16:06.000My grandfather told me to quit a job and I was kind of skeptical.
01:16:12.000My old, old girlfriend at the time, like, I remember one time I had to stay at her parents' house just because I was, like, believing in this dream.
01:16:59.000Jamie Varner said he was shaking before the fight.
01:17:01.000Barboza coming off of that Terry Edom knockout, one of the worst knockouts ever in the UFC. I trained with that guy a long time ago down in Florida through Hermes Franca, who I was hanging out with back in the day, and we went to the armory, and We trained with Barboza, and I just remember his Muay Thai was really, really good.
01:17:17.000And I was just like, man, does this guy fight?
01:17:22.000And I was already in UFC at the time, and I guess they're like, yeah, he's working on his ground or whatever, and he's really good striking, and he's working on his wrestling, he's an explosive athlete, and he's a big 55er too, man.
01:17:33.000Yeah, the weight cutting thing is really fascinating because when most people hear that a guy fights at 155 pounds or you fight at 145 pounds, they assume you're actually 145 pounds.
01:17:43.000Yeah, they're like, man, you look 145. I'm like, Jesus!
01:18:31.000The fight with Evan Dunham, the coolest thing about that was Evan Dunham...
01:18:37.000He deep halves him perfectly, gets on top, gets put in a triangle, escapes the triangle, goes right into an omoplata, gets the omoplata sweep with the pass.
01:18:46.000Donald Cerrone's in side control, just some amazing, beautiful jujitsu.
01:18:50.000They get back up, they throw down again.
01:18:53.000Dunham ends up on his back again, hits him with another deep half sweep.
01:18:57.000He gets on top, right into another triangle, but this time he finishes him.
01:19:01.000Serone's serious, serious jujitsu right there.
01:19:05.000I heard him talking about going down 145 pounds, and I've actually fought Serone, and he ended up breaking my eye orbital in the first round.
01:19:12.000You know, it wasn't like he hit real hard.
01:19:13.000You know, I was feeling his kicks, but it was just a precise shot.
01:19:28.000If he can make it and reload the right way, and I imagine that he probably will if he has a, you know, he's training with Jackson, so he's got a good camp and good team behind him.
01:19:49.000He had a brief window he could have pulled out of that triangle where he's taking a little break there, and that's when he just locked it up.
01:21:47.000But I think a lot of better things are going to come from that because Dana White is immediately calling out these judges and probably getting things going on that end.
01:21:55.000So it'll be interesting to see what happens, but I think he needs a rematch.
01:21:59.000Yeah, I think you're right about the judges.
01:22:02.000I think there's also not just the judges, but the judging, when you look at the scoring system that's currently in place, is not that crazy.
01:22:18.000When you can have a round like the second round, where Hendricks had GSP in all sorts of trouble, and that round and the first round are scored exactly the same, they're both 10-9, One way or another on either judge's scorecard.
01:24:50.000Johnny didn't have a scratch in his face.
01:24:52.000If we're on the street and that fight was to go down, and after a while everybody breaks it up, no matter who's on top, whatever happened, big fight, we stand up Johnny, we stand up GSP, and we're like, okay, we'll give that one to Johnny on the street.
01:25:10.000Someone could hit somebody with an elbow, cut them open real early in the fight, and even though they dominated the rest of the round, they looked the worst for Rare.
01:28:35.000To convince the people that this is a fair and just decision, even if you're not happy that the guy that you were rooting for lost, you still have to look at it honestly and objectively.
01:29:19.000So in that kind of fight, yeah, I could see that's one of those fights where you're really taking it to him, even though Frankie was the champ at that time.
01:29:26.000But I think that you should start even.
01:30:35.000Why didn't you do this five years ago?
01:30:36.000You've been licensing MMA for so long and people have been complaining about things for so long, but you've done the same shit over and over again.
01:32:01.000But do you think there's ever been a point in time in Las Vegas where the people that are running the casinos, who the fuck knows who they are, have something to do with the commission?
01:33:49.000But someone at the top is, like, making...
01:33:51.000For a judge to get paid off to do this or that, there's gotta be someone with some serious power.
01:33:56.000It's the math that people don't understand.
01:33:58.000That's why those people that are counting cards...
01:34:00.000They understand a portion of the math.
01:34:01.000You gotta think those people are at an elite level and are always winning because of their decision making.
01:34:06.000So their science and their math skills are way better than yours.
01:34:10.000So they can see these small little snakes in the grass, if that's what you want to call them, like a little dirt bag trying to just scheme on your money.
01:34:16.000Imagine if that's yours and you see this little rat over here playing his little game.
01:34:20.000You just want to go up and smack him and be like, bro, you're cheating me out.
01:35:34.000Think about how much time and effort you put in to get really good at MMA. Now think about someone who's doing the same thing with card counting or with poker.
01:35:45.000They're just constantly playing moves over there.
01:36:20.000Like a blackjack table and then that person's always hitting when they shouldn't be hitting or not hitting and you're just like I gotta get up I just lost 75 bucks to realize this guy's an idiot and he's messing up the whole table but you get on that table and you're just hitting and you're rolling you're slapping high fives with some person from Arizona you don't even know And you're just killing it,
01:37:32.000They have that big machine that like was like...
01:37:35.000So the way you're looking at it is if he gets a 5 that you could have used and he busts because of that 5, he fucked you, you could have had that 5 and you would have had 20 or something like that, right?
01:37:46.000And then the dealer might have busted and he could have actually won, but he actually hit the wrong card trying to be greedy too soon.
01:37:52.000I think that's not a good way of looking at it.
01:37:55.000I think that's like a defeatist logic.
01:38:01.000If you have 15 and you hit, you know what the consequences are.
01:38:05.000If you have 17 and you hit, you're crazy.
01:38:07.000There's some good ones that you're supposed to hit on and that they tell you not to hit on.
01:38:10.000And sometimes the dealer, if you don't really know what you're doing, you're just starting out, and they'll be like, you sure you want to do that?
01:38:16.000But they can't tell you, but they'll ask you and stop you, which is pretty cool, because what if you don't know what you're doing, you're just blacked out drunk, and you're making all stupid bets, you lose your money.
01:38:23.000Well, I would imagine too that if you're a card counter, it would actually help you to have someone who's betting all fucking wacky next to you.
01:38:31.000Because you know that he got that certain card.
01:38:34.000Instead of him folding or holding, he actually added additional information into the equation.
01:38:41.000He gave you like, oh, the seven just got used.
01:38:43.000So now you have an extra number that you can eliminate.
01:38:52.000If you were a card counter, if you were a really good card counter, and again, I don't understand how the fuck card counting works, so I'm just talking out of my ass.
01:38:58.000There's a movie about it, but I still never, it's a hard math, it's a math to it.
01:39:44.000If you knew a little bit, like, say you knew the math, And you just sit down and you're like, you know what, I just want a couple extra hundred real quick, you know?
01:39:51.000And then would you sit down and do it?
01:45:57.000He went on stage, and he decided that he was too big or something like that, so he went on stage at Dangerfields and decided to just talk nonsense for two hours.
01:47:33.000If you were like George Zimmerman, if you were that kind of famous, that would be very disconcerting because you're famous for something horrible.
01:47:54.000Yeah, I mean, look, you're gonna run into crazy people no matter what you do in this life, whether you're famous or whether you're not famous.
01:48:01.000And, you know, if you're a friendly person, being famous, as long as you manage it correctly, as long as you don't think it's...
01:48:26.000Well, if that's the case, I'm happy to do it.
01:48:28.000I think I've been inspired by a shitload of people in my life, so if there's ever anybody that I can inspire, to me, that's a huge gift to be able to turn that back around.
01:48:37.000I think everybody in this room is doing that in some way, shape, or form.
01:48:41.000And I think doing a podcast is doing that.
01:48:44.000Having a podcast is literally inspiration in a digital form.
01:48:49.000A lot of them, conversations with people that you might not ever get to sit down with.
01:48:52.000And you're talking like, I had Graham Hancock on last week.
01:50:17.000I think athletes just in general have that because look at the exposure that we're getting on Twitter and stuff like that.
01:50:23.000That stuff wasn't happening when Michael Jordan was.
01:50:25.000So this goes back to what you're talking about when people were a lot more exclusive then because they couldn't get into your day-to-day life as if like, you know, I'm a fan of Joe Rogan.
01:50:33.000So I'm like, man, what's Joe doing when he's in like Brazil or London or something like that?
01:50:37.000So they can keep up on you a little bit more exclusively.
01:50:39.000So then when they see you, they're like, oh, hey.
01:50:40.000Well, that's also a different thing in what we're talking about, about people coming up to you.
01:50:45.000People coming up to me are universally friendly.
01:50:47.000I've had very few people come up to me that weren't friendly.
01:50:50.000And even if someone didn't disagree with me about something, they'll come up and just start talking to me, and we can have a nice conversation about it, and there's never hostility.
01:51:14.000If those people spend half the time off the internet or off their cell phone talking so much...
01:51:18.000And they use that same energy that they do on this side, but they go to the other side, you know, much more like positive, how much more inspirational possibly, like how much more like ambition they would have and, you know, maybe successful in that aspect.
01:51:30.000But some people spend that same amount of energy as you would over here on the good side spending on the negative side.
01:51:35.000If you're able just to turn it around, it's the same effort.
01:51:38.000Yeah, I learned that very early in life that even though there's a real big pull to think about other people and dwell on other people and be angry about other people and look about their success or compare it to your success, that shit is all flawed and dangerous because it robs you of your time.
01:51:57.000The time you spend, even though it feels natural to hate on somebody, the time you spend hating on someone Robs you of your own time.
01:52:07.000You are literally hating on yourself, and you don't even realize it.
01:52:11.000Because if you're a smart person, you only have a certain amount of free time in your fucking day.
01:52:16.000Because if you're a smart person, you find shit you love to do.
01:52:19.000Whether it's a relationship you love to do, whether it's a sport you love to do, whether it's a job you like to pursue.
01:52:26.000And anytime you spend on some nonsense and gossip and stupidity, when you see these gossipy websites and people talking shit about people where you're like, why would you even write that?
01:52:43.000It's amazing that some people ain't even on that level.
01:52:44.000I lost a lot of friends growing up and getting to where I'm at.
01:52:48.000But despite good decision making, some people just don't ever get it.
01:52:51.000They don't ever know how to flip that switch and realize that It's the same amount of energy that you spend doing bad is the same amount that you could be spending doing good.
01:53:02.000They get caught up in this wave of hating.
01:53:05.000You know, hating on people or gossiping about people or talking about someone that you don't even fucking know.
01:53:11.000How many people have you ever heard talking about reality stars on TV? Like TMZ people.
01:53:17.000There's three types of people in this world, man.
01:53:19.000There's talkers, there's watchers, and there's doers.
01:53:22.000And if it wasn't for people like real famous people or whatever, TMZ people wouldn't even have a job because they don't know who to go follow anymore and be like, oh, what are they doing now?
01:53:31.000I like to think of when I meet a TMZ guy that he's just a cool dude in a transitionary job.
01:53:37.000I like to think that right now he's sticking a camera in front of people's faces at the airport, but hey man, I'm just trying to make some money.
01:53:59.000There was a fake video, apparently it wasn't really Kanye West, but it was saying that Kanye West was knocking out these people that were paparazzi in Austin.
01:54:09.000I mean, whoever this dude was that looks like Kanye West, but it wasn't Kanye West, is just uncorking left hands.
01:54:33.000But if he was getting in brawls with photographers.
01:54:35.000There's a new thing going around the internet called a game called Knockout.
01:54:38.000That's supposedly what I think the East Coast was doing.
01:54:41.000These young kids are knocking out old people.
01:54:43.000Innocent people, they're just going up like, hey, having a conversation, boom, just hits them and they're calling this game knockout or something like that.
01:54:50.000Yeah, there should be a new game called, let's go find those faggots and choke them out.
01:55:23.000I mean, I'm not saying you can't be fixed, but goddamn, that is a...
01:55:27.000Utter lack of respect for humanity if you just strike someone for no reason for a goof.
01:55:31.000Yeah, there's a point where you grow up, though, you know, because you can't blame it on the parents, but there comes a point where you get to a certain point where you're like, okay, I can make a decision for myself to make either a good choice.
01:55:41.000Like, I don't have to live like this for the rest of my life.
01:55:53.000And the guys that are involved, because it's one dude, there's like a group of five or six of them, and one dude just clocks this man passing by.
01:56:01.000And the people in that group, man, there's got to be one per group that has half a heart.
01:56:08.000And can call the cops and report this fucking bastard before he does it again.
01:56:31.000Yeah, you know, it's an incredibly cowardly move, but it's also like they're looking for some excitement in their life, probably, and it's exciting to do something horrible like that for all the wrong reasons, but still exciting.
01:56:42.000How about get paid $100,000, get into a gym, you know, Dana White's throwing out big bonuses, you know, get some lessons.
01:56:48.000See, that's the thing that I say to people when people talk to me about fighting, you know, they're like, why don't you go fight an MMA? I go, what are you talking about?
01:56:55.000Like, do you understand what fighting is?
01:56:57.000Like, oh man, you kick somebody's ass.
01:56:59.000I always say this, like, you think fighting is kicking someone's ass.
01:57:03.000No, that happens sometimes, but it's fighting.
01:57:06.000And everybody wants to kick someone's ass, but nobody wants to fight.
01:57:10.000Nobody wants to have a John Jones, Alexander Gustafson.
01:57:56.000At the end of the fight, as soon as that buzzer hits, and they know it's all over, all the training, everything, and they just give each other a hug, and people are just like, man, that's amazing.
01:58:04.000But those two fighters, they know each other better than anybody at that particular moment.
01:58:50.000You're dealing also like what we were talking about with these super athletes, these guys like Hector Lombard, these guys like Tyron Woodley, these guys that are coming along like Jesus Christ.
01:59:00.000Sergio Pettis, the little 20-year-old kid.
01:59:03.000You can name all those guys, but then you got to think here before too long, there's going to be some little kid right now that he's going to turn 18 and he'll be like, no, this is what I've been training for, this is what I do.
01:59:13.000And by the time he's 19 years old, could be fighting in the UFC and be one bad dude.
02:02:21.000And Buster Douglas, actually, that's a crazy story about him.
02:02:24.000His mom died like three weeks before that fight, and he still took that fight.
02:02:28.000So you know that dude's just on another mental level because that or he would have just been really screwed up, but he obviously seemed like he was on a whole other level.
02:02:36.000Listen to this he wrote in his memoir.
02:02:38.000The history of war is the history of drugs.
02:02:40.000Every great general and warrior from the beginning of time was high.
02:03:09.000There was this old cocaine dealer before El Chapo Guzman.
02:03:12.000They called this guy the Lord of the Skies.
02:03:14.000My Spanish isn't that good to even remember what it was, but this guy was the richest and probably no one else will ever top the guy, the Lord of the skies.
02:03:22.000He basically bought out all the police, all the government, and was paying top, top dollar.
02:03:37.000You know, I'm not disrespecting anybody, but there's no doubt in my mind that that stuff is very for sure, and people, cops, governmental officials are getting paid off.
02:03:46.000Have you ever seen the Clinton Chronicles?
02:05:55.000Those people, the reason they're in powerful positions is because of their decision making and some of the stuff that I imagine that they have to do.
02:06:02.000I mean, you read about royalty and this crazy stuff that they'll do to kids for power and all this crazy stuff, man.
02:06:11.000Yeah, yeah, but there's even stuff like over in like this, there's this like, in Europe, there's like this castle where they talk about these like little kids that they basically like do these crazy acts on, almost like molestation for like their power and like their crazy adrenaline.
02:11:19.000You know, that's a fucking real thing that they did where the FBI put brothels in New York and San Francisco and they got people fucked up on LSD when they thought they were going to get a hooker.
02:11:33.000And then they monitored them and checked them and did studies on them.
02:11:37.000These dudes, they were going to get their dicks locked.
02:11:39.000They're like, oh, I'm tired of fucking my wife.
02:11:51.000And you get there, would you like some water, baby, before we get started?
02:11:54.000Sure, I'll take a glass of water, honey.
02:11:56.000Drink a little glass of water, and all of a sudden...
02:11:59.000The fucking guys in the suits come in with the clipboards and the big glasses, and they're freaking you the fuck out, asking you questions.
02:12:10.000And these poor guys, man, they did this for years, and did these, unbeknownst to them, studies on these dudes.
02:12:18.000And it was after the government couldn't do it anymore to soldiers.
02:12:22.000So were they just like mind warping them and figuring out their mind frequencies?
02:12:25.000Well, they were trying to figure out what the fuck LSD did.
02:12:28.000And for a long time they thought LSD, when Robert Hoffman, Albert Hoffman rather, when Albert Hoffman created LSD, once the intelligence community found out about this incredibly potent psychedelic drug, for the Western world it was one of the first psychedelics people were aware of.
02:12:43.000It wasn't until Gordon Wasson discovered the psychedelic mushroom that people knew that it existed in the Western world.
02:12:49.000The information, for what have you, even though there's thousands and thousands of years of use, had kind of been lost to the modern intellectual.
02:13:02.000And then the government initially, when they found out about it, thought that it was going to be a truth serum.
02:13:06.000They thought, what we're going to do is we're going to get these enemy guys, we're going to give them acid, and they're just going to tell us everything.
02:14:49.000This ex-CIA agent talked about what he did personally.
02:14:52.000One of the things that stuck out in his head is in Cuba, they would find the truck route to like elementary schools, hijack the truck, fill the milk, throw cement.
02:15:04.000He could be totally crazy in this documentary and saying, but he's saying he's an ex-CIA agent and this is the stuff they wanted to cause chaos.
02:15:14.000They specifically targeted to blow up bridges where there'd be women and children so people would freak out.
02:15:20.000They wanted as much chaos as possible to start a revolution and in the chaos, according to this guy, they would cause the chaos and that's when they would come in and take control of the drugs.
02:15:41.000That was the plan, is to go in there, cause chaos, arm the rebels, sell them arms, and blow shit up, blame it on the commies, Start a revolution, try to assass...
02:15:51.000Again, according to the CIA agents, they're saying, try to get the dictator assassinated.
02:15:57.000And in the chaos, they take control of all the drugs, natural resources, oil, and selling...
02:17:49.000And knowing that their main business is Bill Clinton was hooking up George Singer, knowing this, And then now they're talking about the fucking balancing the budget?
02:18:24.000And it was assumed that the local bread had been unwittingly poisoned with a psychedelic mold, which happens.
02:18:30.000And that's what they're saying was responsible for the Salem witch trials.
02:18:33.000They said the Salem witch trials, they've narrowed it down to...
02:18:37.000Apparently when there's an early frost, when you have a wheat harvest, early frost can trigger the growth of ergot.
02:18:44.000Ergot is a type of fungus that grows on wheat that has many of the same qualities as LSD. So when you consume this bread with this ergot or wheat that has this ergot in it, you trip your fucking brains out.
02:19:05.000When your children are tripping out, your children are freaking out, everyone thinks everyone's haunted, and, you know, they just start drowning witches.
02:19:17.000Yeah, a lot of people just thought that they were under a spell.
02:19:21.000They literally didn't realize what was going on.
02:19:23.000So they had blamed this shit on Ergot until recently.
02:19:27.000And now they believe that what's going on was that the CIA had...
02:19:32.000There's CIA documents that this guy found while investigating the suspicious suicide of a man named Frank Olson, who's a biochemist working for the SOD who fell from a 13th floor window two years after the Cursed Bread incident in France.
02:19:47.000And OneNote transcribes a conversation between a CIA agent and a Sandoz official.
02:19:51.000Sandoz is the people that eventually started producing in mass quantities LSD. They mention the secret Point Saint Esprit experiment.
02:20:03.000Point Esprit, St. Esprit was where this all went down.
02:20:07.000So they had mentioned it in a memo and explained that it was not at all caused by mold, but by diethylamide, the D in LSD. So they had injected this shit into this town's bread supply just to watch it, just to sort of,
02:20:24.000just to absorb what happens when you get a whole town on acid.
02:20:28.000In 1951, they didn't know any, you know, they didn't really have all the data in 1951. I don't know anything about that, but you telling me that, it just makes sense, they're fucking criminals.
02:20:38.000Yeah, well some of them were, some of them are, some of them back then.
02:20:42.000My hope for real is that the internet provides such an access to information It's such a boundary-dissolving thing between people and the truth that anything that happens from now to the future or five years from now to the future,
02:20:58.000everyone will be so accountable for their actions because it will be so obvious and clear that they just won't be able to run things business as usual.
02:21:06.000The corruption will slowly morph down to a very reasonable level because it will all be transparent.
02:21:12.000I remember, there's so many different conspiracy theories, and you just don't have time to really look into them all.
02:21:19.000And I remember you being really into JFK, and I never really spent that much time.
02:21:23.000It just seemed like when someone would tell me it was an inside job.
02:21:27.000Just knowing what these criminals do, and they're like, okay, I believe it, I just haven't looked into it.
02:21:32.000But recently, just recently, I've been obsessed with the JFK case.
02:21:39.000Man, to think that all the stuff that I did spend time in, that it's all connected, all from World War II, Prescott, Bush, George Senior, JFK, Nixon, all the way up to George Senior becoming Vice President,
02:21:55.000Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, bam, George W. How did that happen?
02:22:01.000All of it is all connected, and it all has CIA running right through it.
02:22:07.000I would like to play the part of the average person on the ultimate, the underground right now, going, why the fuck are they talking about conspiracy theories where Jeremy Stevens is on the podcast?
02:22:24.000We do want to hear about this stuff, man, because honestly, if it opens up a lot of people's eyes to really stuff that's going on in You bring up a lot of good points.
02:22:31.000Like, why aren't we seeing documents like that in school that says, you know, George Sr. was CIA type stuff and some of these events that were going down.
02:23:25.000To think that that's only happening because of George Sr. When George Singer and Ronald Reagan got busted, they got busted wide open selling arms to the Contras.
02:23:48.000And Chula Vista, you know, it's real close to the Alliance Jam, but it's basically like Chula Juana.
02:23:52.000And when you go down there and you hear all these crazy homeland stories about Just saw these drug cartels, this and that, selling guns, where they're getting these guns from.
02:24:03.000They're getting, like, American guns, and they're able to, like, you know, basically, like, go down there and come back up here, and then they have, like, state stash houses, and it's like all this crazy stuff that goes on that, you know, you don't really think about, but it's actually going on right here in America,
02:25:41.000But realize that like a half hour away, there's shootings every day that's going down.
02:25:46.000Their buildings look a lot more ghetto.
02:25:48.000Just the way they live, when you go back and you have that type of experience being over there, you almost just appreciate going to a clean neighborhood driving by.
02:26:15.000Getting back into Mexico is like that.
02:26:16.000Human trafficking, man, the drugs, the stuff that people are making movies on and making millions of dollars, that's all cool, but that stuff really goes down.
02:26:25.000There's a big war on drugs, and like you said, you hear about governments funding and this and stuff.
02:26:33.000Where do you think they're getting these type of guns and this type of muscle?
02:26:36.000The drug cartel will basically, they'll buy, say Joe Rogan, you're like an army general guy and you know some secret stuff on weapons, and you're only getting paid $100 a week to feed your family, and they're like, tell you what, we're going to pay you $100,000, we're going to put you and your family in a house,
02:26:53.000whatever, but if you mess up or if you do anything wrong, we'll kill you, your whole family, and then some.
02:26:58.000So they'll take head corporate people that know how to build submarines.
02:27:04.000They'll get these people in the jungle that know how to build this stuff and then they'll submarine hundreds and millions of dollars of drug cartel And it's insane, you know, and this stuff actually goes down.
02:27:14.000I wonder if, can you imagine if there was like a map, like an overlay of the United States where you could just theoretically watch like a highlight of all the cocaine boats that are coming on a daily basis?
02:27:25.000There's a big shipment right there, Joe.
02:27:27.000As crazy as that is, that the law enforcement couldn't see it, but you could see it.
02:27:31.000Law enforcement gets paid off not to see it, or they do or they don't.
02:27:34.000Well, as crazy as that is, and that all does exist, all these cartels are real, according to these ex-CIA agents and all the stuff that was going on in MENA, that's a small, tiny fraction compared to what the CIA is dumping in.
02:27:46.000They're bringing in giant fucking military planes filled with tons and tons of coke.
02:27:51.000And then every now and then they'll bust a little cartel, put it on the news, and say, look, we're doing our best to stop this.
02:27:57.000Watch the Lord of the Skies, that documentary like you're talking.
02:27:59.000I'm gonna go home and watch that Clinton Chronicles.
02:28:01.000But I'm not for sure the Spanish word of it, but check out the Lord of the Skies.
02:28:05.000That guy, he was the most biggest, powerful drug dealer.
02:28:09.000And there's another guy down there right now that's coming up.
02:28:13.000But no one says that there's anybody like this guy they call the Lord of the Sky.
02:30:02.000They wanted, he was, you know, obviously, he was helping the poor, and he was building houses, and he was really into soccer, building little soccer fields all over the ghettos, and he raised badass soccer players.
02:30:13.000That's why Columbia ended up going to the World Cup, because he raised them.
02:30:17.000All the guys on the Colombian soccer team that made it to the World Cup, I think it was 93. They're like, why is Pablo Escobar in the audience?
02:30:24.000Why does he have like VIP? No one really knew.
02:30:47.000I get into stuff like that, but one thing that's always interested me, and I've never been involved in it, is just drugs, drug cartels.
02:30:53.000Actually, I grew up from a family where there was a drug problem in the household, which is the reason why I kind of live porn in the ghetto and stuff like that.
02:31:03.000Then when I hear about these drug cartels and these big billionaires that just come from nothing, these guys come from You'll hear them talk about being poor, helping their parents farm.
02:32:20.000So when they finally figured it out, because they arrested his rival drug cartel, they send him into prison, and he was right there in his own prison, so they murdered him.
02:32:29.000So once they find out, they figured out that, oh shit, he's running this jail.
02:32:34.000They went there and he was gone, dude.
02:34:57.000There's a big difference between a guy who's a guy that's good at boxing and MMA, when there's all these other techniques, especially a guy like Kane, who's such a great wrestler.
02:35:07.000I mean, his game is all about transitioning from striking to takedown, takedown striking.
02:35:13.000I mean, if a boxer wanted to fight him in an MMA bout, he would kill him.
02:35:17.000But he would have to really absorb the game of boxing to compete as a boxer.
02:35:22.000Who do you think has the best chance to beat Kane?
02:35:45.000I don't know, but I think he could keep good range and be able to wrestle and wrestle him off him, then maybe take him down.
02:35:50.000Who knows what Josh Barnett's going to show up.
02:35:52.000This guy, he's dealt with a lot of past stuff, but I think when you get back into UFC, especially now at this time, I think he might be rejuvenated.
02:36:01.000And this fight with Travis Brown is a huge fight.
02:36:18.000There's not a lot of heavyweights on the planet that would have withstood that beating that he took in that first round from Alistair before he got up.
02:38:13.000It's an interesting thing where you see how much of a follow the leader thing is going on in MMA because a guy like Anderson lands that front kick and knocks out Vitor and the whole sport changes like overnight.
02:38:24.000Josh Thompson's throwing them like a motherfucker.
02:38:27.000Anthony Pettis is throwing crazy kicks, throwing crazy knees.
02:38:30.000I think we know now that, oh, these crazy kicks do work.
02:38:35.000You just got to have good bounce and good wrestling.
02:38:37.000And you've got to make sure that if you get taken down, that you can pop right back up or you have good jiu-jitsu.
02:38:42.000If that's all you had, the only reason they weren't working is because the only people that knew how to throw them didn't know how to fight on the ground.
02:38:47.000So we went through a dark period where we have to take away.
02:38:50.000These techniques are going to disappear for a while until the wrestling and the striking merge as one.
02:38:56.000It's just so interesting to see these guys that are coming up that are throwing these games, throwing these techniques at people that you never saw.
02:39:04.000Like Vitor landing that wheel kick on Luke Rockhold.
02:39:07.000Dudes are throwing wheel kicks all the time.
02:39:11.000I'm no striker, but in my opinion, it just seems that if you at least throw them, even though they're hard to land sometimes, but you throw them, it takes the guy off his game.
02:39:19.000It's like, oh, this guy's willing to throw these motherfuckers.
02:39:21.000You see Jorge Masvidal and Rustam Jabilov?
02:39:25.000I saw the fight, but don't remember it.
02:42:04.000Well, sports fans are used to talking shit about athletes.
02:42:07.000They've always done it with baseball players.
02:42:10.000They've always done it with football players.
02:42:12.000You know, I mean, that's a big part of a basketball game is people behind the basket talking shit to the player while he's shooting a three-pointer.
02:42:20.000You know, talking shit while he's on the free-throw line.
02:42:22.000Giving him those fucking things, like blocking him in front of his face.
02:43:11.000I just went on this freaking trip where I felt like something was pulling me out of things.
02:43:16.000I was just dealing with so much out of there mentally.
02:43:20.000I just think that some people, when you get setbacks like that, some people dig deep and come through some Some groundbreaking news in their mind where they'll change, but then some people just stick to that pattern and end up falling off.
02:43:33.000Yeah, well, there's, you know, the reality of self-examination is that you don't always like what you see.
02:43:38.000And you can either change it or you can just ignore it because it's too much work and you get tired or you get into that sort of deflecting mindset.
02:45:19.000You had some sort of a legal situation where someone accused you of assault?
02:45:22.000Yeah, someone accused me of basically assaulting them and beating them real bad.
02:45:26.000I guess the person had stopped breathing.
02:45:29.000Was it a missing identity or a mistaken identity case?
02:45:33.000No, it was just a classic fact that I threw an after party at like a smaller bar.
02:45:37.000And to be honest, I didn't even see a fight break out and a fight had broken out and it carried on outside.
02:45:43.000And There was a miscommunication with people, I guess like the bar owner was trying to kick this drunk guy out who, from what I know, he was at the bar, he got kicked away from the bar, and he's like, give me my credit card, and he's just being disrespectful, groping on women, you know,
02:45:59.000just being obnoxious, drunk, you know, a guy needed to go home.
02:46:37.000I actually called down to the police station the next day and was like, hey, you know, I heard you guys were looking for me, like, what's going on?
02:46:43.000You know, and my management team was there.
02:46:46.000He actually seen the fight, and he knew a lot about what was going on, so we were just, like, being proactive.
02:46:51.000So you didn't have anything to do with it at all?
02:47:09.000And then I ended up getting in trouble almost a year later for something I completely didn't do.
02:47:14.000And I was actually in Des Moines and was calling down to see if I needed to Be questioned, and they're like, oh no, there's nothing to be questioned here.
02:47:21.000So it was just something that you were on the hook for for a while that you had nothing to do with?
02:48:02.000But that didn't define me as a person, the person that I was becoming in the gym.
02:48:06.000And, you know, it's just going to show now is the right time.
02:48:09.000I think everything's really connected in my career thanks to my coaches and everybody who's supporting me.
02:48:14.000I think right now I'm really starting to grow because When I first seen you, I was just turned 21 in the UFC and I really kind of grew up inside the UFC and fought guys that I probably shouldn't have been fighting at or didn't really have a chance and I'd go out and I'd win.
02:48:45.000And look, it's a beautiful thing to see, right?
02:48:47.000Hard work and reaping the rewards of that.
02:48:49.000Eric Delferro, man, he's the man, dude.
02:48:51.000He's almost like a sports psychologist.
02:48:53.000He just really knows how to click with me, knows what to say, how to work with me.
02:48:56.000And I was looking for that for the longest time when I was traveling.
02:48:59.000I went to Florida with Hermes and I had some run-ins with some bad management, and I was just getting screwed over there.
02:49:05.000So I just didn't really have the right people around me at the time, and I was just searching for somebody just to grab ahold of me and just mold me into something.
02:49:11.000I knew I had all the skills and talent.
02:49:13.000I just needed that type of coach, and I think I really found that with Coach Eric Del Ferro.
02:49:18.000He's creating a monster and I love where he's going.