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00:00:44.000So that means someone like me can use it.
00:00:46.000All you need to do is set it up and Carbonite will automatically back up your important computer files to the cloud.
00:00:53.000And continuously, no matter how many computers your business has or where they're located, or you can do it as an individual.
00:00:59.000You don't have to be a business to do this.
00:01:00.000Easy to set up with each computer and you get peace of mind that your computer files, I don't know what that other word was, But computer files, is what I meant to say, are always safe.
00:02:40.000I love that a company says, look, people don't mind paying for stuff.
00:02:44.000I think everybody's established that capitalism, you know, in its core idea, not as far as like the way our economic system is set up, of course.
00:02:52.000But the idea of, I give you money for something.
00:03:11.000And when a company like Ting comes along that's not trying to fuck you, I like it.
00:03:16.000Because I think it gives people a better sense of what they're dealing with.
00:03:20.000It gives you, you know, you feel good about it.
00:03:22.000You don't feel like you're getting fucked over by some big giant asshole company that's just sucking money out of the world.
00:03:28.000And if you have a Sprint iPhone 4 or a Sprint iPhone 4S, you can port them over to Ting right now, along with bringing over the Nexus 5. It's part of their Bring Your Own Device offering.
00:03:41.000So go to rogan.ting.com and save $25 off of any of their new groovy phones or service.
00:04:50.000Like, if you go to Best Buy, you're going to save an extra $30 than what it would be at Amazon, and then, you know, half these companies online, you'll have to pay tax, which, so that $30, you could just, you know, save with no tax.
00:05:01.000Yeah, and meanwhile, you're going to have to use that money to get your teeth fixed, because someone's going to fucking elbow you in the face while you reach for that laptop that they want.
00:08:28.000We have a real problem with over-prescribing antibiotics.
00:08:31.000Antibiotics are very useful, don't get me wrong.
00:08:33.000I mean, if you've got a staph infection or if you've got fucking Lyme disease or something like that, antibiotics could save your life for sure.
00:08:40.000It's an amazing invention of fantastic human minds.
00:08:44.000But the reality is there's other ways to approach it, and the holistic way to approach it is to keep your skin healthy and clean and keep the healthy bacteria That actually fight off bad bacteria.
00:10:50.000They just take some from someone who's got the flora that they want a little bit, put it in the blender or, you know, some hospital thing, mix it up and squirt that right up.
00:10:58.000You've heard of the Vice documentary about poop wine that Chinese, I think, do it, where they make wine out of a kid's poop that's, like, seven years old or something like that?
00:11:21.000I don't know if it was Vice, but it was a thing about people going around the streets, take up the manhole cover, and they've got these big, long spoons, and they grab the stuff that's caught in the filter, right, in the strainer, and it's all this, like, fatty, gelatinous, horrible, like,
00:11:52.000Yeah, Brian Cowan was telling me that when he was in China, he was with his family, and his mom said that when they were at this restaurant, she noticed that they had pig styes underneath the building.
00:12:04.000And she was trying to figure out what was going on.
00:12:06.000And Brian was like, why are they living under the building?
00:12:09.000She goes, I suspect that they're the sewage system here.
00:12:39.000This was on a long bus ride in Sumatra, in Indonesia, right?
00:12:43.000And you get, you know, it's one of these 20-hour bus rides, and you stop, and, you know, all the buses stop in the same place, and they got the quick food and the shitters.
00:13:47.000Lots of new stuff in it, Onnit, as far as products like Digest Tech Enzymes and Zombie Kettlebells to go along with the Gorilla and Ape Kettlebells.
00:13:57.000Onnit 180, a nutrient-based rejuvenating drink mix designed to help your body recover from jet lag or from getting your freak on.
00:16:26.000Wow, I had a crazy dream that I just remembered because of that, that I brought a bunch of roses in for a friend to eat, and he was eating them, telling me how fantastic they were.
00:18:17.000I may be the only person in the world who's ever noticed this, but she's got a record that came out, and there are two songs on the record.
00:18:53.000The Heaven's Gate cult in San Diego all killed themselves because they thought that there were aliens behind the comet, the Hale-Bopp comet, that was coming to take them away.
00:20:23.000So a woman became fertile at 18 or 19 because they had low body fat, so they menstruated later, whereas now girls are menstruating at 8, 9, 10 years of age.
00:20:34.000But the sort of typical hunter-gatherer human thing starts around 18. They'd be having sex before then, but there was no consequences because they weren't ovulating.
00:21:36.000So that stresses women's bodies a lot, because every time they go through that cycle, as you say, their breasts are swelling, things are changing.
00:21:42.000What do they attribute this change in the amount of menstruating women do?
00:26:16.000And they found that babies who are born through cesarean don't have that and are more likely as a result to get infections and various fungal infections in their skin.
00:27:15.000I can't read and talk at the same time.
00:27:16.000But infants who are breastfed for the first six months have a 72% lower risk of hospitalization for lower respiratory tract infections and a 64% reduced risk for non-specified gastronomical tract infections.
00:27:30.00058% risk reduction for the intestinal infection necrotizing enteroculitis in preterm infants and a 27 to 42% reduction in allergic diseases in breastfed infants.
00:27:52.000You would be an asshole to not breastfeed your kid if you could because you're setting this kid up for a life of much more likely infections, much more likely allergic reactions.
00:28:05.000Yeah, and that's just the stuff that happens when it's still a kid.
00:28:09.000There's evidence that there are lifelong changes in immune response based on whether or not a kid was breastfed.
00:28:15.000The World Health Organization recommends that babies should be exclusively breastfed for the first six months of life and then receive a combination of breast milk and easily digestible foods through the age of two.
00:28:25.000You should still have breast milk up to the age of two.
00:28:27.000Research shows that if 90% of families exclusively breastfed for six months, almost 1,000 infant deaths could be prevented annually.
00:28:35.000And $13 billion would be saved in medical costs each year, according to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services Office on Women's Health.
00:28:44.000I mean, I know there's some issues that some women have.
00:28:46.000Some women's aerials aren't set up for breastfeeding.
00:28:50.000And some of that can be helped with pumps, too, apparently.
00:28:53.000And, you know, some people, they just don't have the fucking time, unfortunately.
00:28:57.000And also, it's a social thing, you know?
00:28:59.000In the United States, it's still seen as a shameful, you know, sort of something you should do in the bathroom.
00:29:05.000States where it's illegal to do it in restaurants or in public.
00:29:09.000There's a lot of bullshit women have to contend with in addition to the biological stuff.
00:29:13.000Yeah, doing it in public is a rough one.
00:30:22.000They hired guys to go around Africa wearing lab coats, looking like doctors.
00:30:28.000Trying to convince women to use this formula because they were just going to throw it away, so they sold it really cheap in Africa.
00:30:36.000Now, these are women who otherwise would breastfeed, which is really good for their kids, right?
00:30:39.000But because these guys are wearing lab coats and speaking with authority and all this scientific bullshit, a lot of women...
00:30:46.000Tens of thousands of women started buying this formula, mix it with the really shitty water that they've got there, and all these babies die all over Africa.
00:31:16.000They've already determined they have the right of free speech, which is translated into unlimited spending on political parties because that's considered speech, Citizens United.
00:31:26.000And now today they agreed to hear a case because these companies that are owned by religious radical right-wingers don't want to have insurance for the employees that cover birth control.
00:31:39.000So they say it's their right as a corporation not to do this, even though it's the national law.
00:31:44.000And the Supreme Court's going to hear the case.
00:31:59.000Look at a corporation as something we created, legal structure that we created, that has already got more power than governments or religions.
00:32:31.000And when it comes down to only being responsible for your bottom line and having an obligation to shareholders to increase the money every month, that gets really weird because it is sort of a machine.
00:32:43.000And it's each person has to go home and say, hey, what can we do?
00:34:45.000When you're looking at a screen, if you're looking at a photograph on the screen, or if you're looking at a website, I mean, it's goddamn huge.
00:36:46.000Well, physical attributes are not nearly as necessary as they used to be.
00:36:50.000When our society gets more and more safe, you know, it's less and less a requirement to be physically sound or strong or not look like you're going to keel over it in a minute.
00:36:59.000Now they have life insurance policies.
00:37:01.000It's actually beneficial if you marry a fat guy with a bad heart.
00:38:33.000Well, you know, aside from all the evidence that our ancestors did not evolve in nuclear families, in our bodies, it's 300 pages of evidence.
00:38:45.000But essentially what we say is, no, women have sex for the same reason men do.
00:38:49.000It feels good and it's a way to bond with somebody.
00:38:51.000It's not about getting something from the dude, because when you actually look at hunter-gatherer societies, hunters go out of their way to make sure that nobody knows who killed the animals.
00:39:02.000Like, the hunters will exchange arrows and stuff before they go hunting.
00:39:06.000The guy who brings the animal back to the village often generally is not the one who killed it.
00:39:11.000There are all these very powerful ways that societies make sure that nobody gets proud and nobody gets too much credit and everything's spread around evenly.
00:39:21.000It's fierce egalitarianism is what the scientists call it.
00:39:25.000And it's not because they're noble savages or some shit.
00:39:29.000It's because that's the best way to mitigate risk in a hunter-gatherer society.
00:39:41.000You come back, you don't have any refrigeration anyway, so it's not like you could keep it all for yourself and your wife and your kids, right?
00:39:48.000And it mitigates risk when everybody eats.
00:39:51.000Whether you get it or I get it, we all eat.
00:39:53.000Plus, we're all really highly interdependent.
00:39:57.000So the last thing we need is you and me fighting over who's a better hunter and who's fucking whose wife and all this kind of bullshit because that splits up the group.
00:40:05.000So what we argue in Sex at Dawn is that human sexuality was actually a way to bond the group together.
00:40:11.000And people were having sex with different people simultaneously and raising children together.
00:40:16.000And this obsession with Paternity, which is assumed to be part of our DNA, is actually a response to agriculture, which is just 10,000 years ago, which is like 5% or less of our existence as a species.
00:40:29.000So it's a response to staying put, which allowed people to make much larger civilizations.
00:40:37.000Essentially, when people stayed put, they could accumulate resources, whether it's domesticated animals or land or buildings or wheat or whatever.
00:40:46.000And so once that happens, then there's a completely different sense of property, right?
00:40:52.000Because in a hunter-gatherer society, there's very little property because they're nomadic.
00:40:56.000So you don't want to carry shit around, right?
00:41:08.000It's controlled by individual families or people.
00:41:11.000So that's when paternity becomes a big deal because you've spent your life Accumulating all these resources, you want them to go to your sons, right?
00:41:19.000And it's also, interestingly, the first time that people really understood that sex caused babies.
00:41:26.000Because before that, everybody's just having sex and women are having babies.
00:41:30.000There's no reason to think that sex is causing the babies, right?
00:41:33.000But then when you've got domesticated animals and you see like, oh, okay, the black bull fucked that white cow, and now we got these black and white calves.
00:42:00.000Nor his house, nor his ox, nor his slaves, nor his she-ass, whatever a she-ass is.
00:42:05.000So it's, you know, keep your hands off your neighbor's stuff, and the wife is just part of his stuff.
00:42:10.000So that's radically different from the way men and women interacted in hunter-gatherer societies, where women had very high status, equal to or sometimes higher than men's, because the women supplied over half of the calories that people lived on.
00:42:24.000The gathering is what brought the food in every day.
00:43:28.000So whether you're talking about Inuits in Greenland or Australian Aboriginal people or Papua New Guinea or the upper Amazon, you find these similar or universalities among all the different groups.
00:43:40.000So you say, okay, look, if this is common to all these groups from all over the world, then it is universal.
00:43:47.000Characteristic of hunter-gatherer societies.
00:43:49.000And we know our ancestors were hunter-gatherers, so therefore we can extrapolate.
00:43:58.000Because when you started not just accumulating material possessions, but actually start figuring out finances and figuring out money and the monetary compensation for work and things along those lines, like how did that factor into the male-female relationship?
00:44:12.000Because men physically being stronger were able to do things, being more aggressive were probably pushier when it comes to acquiring that money, and then they found themselves in an imbalanced position where the men Have more financial worth than the woman.
00:44:26.000Yeah, and the women generally have zero financial worth.
00:44:30.000It's not just that the men are, you know, slightly higher.
00:44:32.000You look at women in societies like early agricultural societies in the Middle East and, you know, as recounted in the Bible and so on.
00:44:41.000A woman's only access to the things she needs, food, shelter, status, things like that, is through a man.
00:44:50.000It's through her father and then through her husband.
00:44:52.000Well, the Middle East, they take it to the next level.
00:46:01.000Well, I think it's an echo of these early days when women became the property of men.
00:46:06.000And honestly, you know, someone I was talking to recently, just at dinner, an American woman, said in the 60s, in the 60s, she couldn't open a bank account without her husband or father co-signing.
00:46:27.000Yeah, I mean, it's not that long ago that we were...
00:46:30.000We're still, you know, fucking women over in lots of ways.
00:46:34.000But as far as that, you know, the whole Middle Eastern thing, I think that's a reflection of this notion that women are the property of men.
00:46:42.000Now, why were women the property of men?
00:46:45.000Partly it's, as you said, questions of upper body strength and the way men organize politically more effectively than women did.
00:46:52.000So men took control of a lot of stuff.
00:46:54.000Also the need for armies because agricultural societies expand.
00:46:59.000And that gets us into what we were saying earlier about corporations.
00:47:02.000That's when you get these institutions where growth is a central characteristic of that institution.
00:47:11.000I think it was Edward Abbey who said, growth for its own sake is the ideology of the cancer cell.
00:47:16.000It's also the ideology of corporations, of agricultural societies.
00:49:11.000Children need a lot of time, and I enjoy giving them that time.
00:49:14.000But I think that if you have another kid around everyone gets a little bit less time and I think in that getting less time there's some benefits the independence aspect of it as long as there's love and there's comfort but I also think you can teach kids a lot of shit you know and you can teach them a lot especially if you really are into it and you concentrate on it and you read a lot of books on it which I'm really involved in the idea of raising kids like I'm raising little human beings so The conversations that I have with them are all geared towards that.
00:49:44.000Like, it's geared towards enlightening them as to the world.
00:49:48.000And it's sort of guiding them as how to treat people, how to be nice to people, how to be nice to your sister.
00:51:37.000We had a party at my house the other day, and there was a gang, for Halloween, there was a Halloween party, and there was a gang of kids over.
00:53:41.000Yeah, my parents were raised Catholic in that part of the country, and I saw a lot of that.
00:53:45.000But I was thinking recently, like, you know, you're talking about anal sex and Christians and all that.
00:53:51.000I wonder if we're sort of shooting ourselves in the foot, those of us who are trying to, you know, move away from shame and hang-ups and stuff.
00:53:59.000I wonder if the people with the shame actually have better sex.
00:54:37.000Like someone was telling me, hey, you know, man, you should cover your camera on your laptop because there's a camera on the laptop and the fucking NSA can spy in on you.
00:54:46.000And I'm like, good, they'll catch me beating off.
00:56:36.000But anyway, so I released this thing and I get an email today from someone I know who's cool, who's smart, and she's like, she's a lesbian.
00:56:44.000And she's like, well, you know, she was upset because the transgender person dresses like a conventional woman and associates with...
00:57:57.000But what we were talking about, which got really weird, was we were talking about traditional roles and things that women do that discredit other women.
00:58:07.000And she was talking about makeup and high heels.
00:58:09.000And I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
00:58:11.000Okay, I know for a fact that if you see a transgender man wearing makeup and high heels, you don't have a problem with that at all, do you?
00:58:38.000You're just very rigid in what you expect from other people.
00:58:41.000And yeah, for sure, there's some women out there that put on a big show to get sexual attention.
00:58:48.000Much like a peacock male spreads his feathers.
00:58:51.000I mean, they're trying to get attention and it's effective.
00:58:53.000I think a lot of the problem that people have with that, that they don't want to admit, is that it bothers them that people are attracted to that.
00:59:00.000It bothers them that people are not as attracted to them.
00:59:03.000You know, there's a lot of ugly women who are mad at pretty women.
00:59:08.000And until they come up with some sort of a genetic remedy, which I believe is within a hundred years, they're going to be able to take you and turn you into whatever the fuck you want.
00:59:16.000If you want to be a unicorn, if you want to be the Hulk, you know, I think they're going to be able to do to your body whatever.
00:59:21.000I think there's going to be elasticity to our genetics and the design of the human being will invariably be manipulated.
00:59:29.000So you're going to be able to look like a beautiful woman if you want to.
00:59:31.000And I think when that comes, man, it's going to be a weird time because, first of all, it's only going to be available to the elite at first.
00:59:37.000There's going to be these glowing, perfect specimens that everyone's going to want to fuck.
00:59:41.000No one's going to want to fuck a regular person with a mole.
01:01:14.000She was a guest, you know, a friend of the guest.
01:01:17.000Fuck, you know, that competition thing is weird because people feel like you're taking something from them.
01:01:24.000If you always wanted to play basketball, but you're 5'8", and like me, I'm 5'8", and I wish I was as tall as that Mao Ying guy, whatever the fuck his name is.
01:02:13.000And famine thinking came onto the scene after agriculture.
01:02:17.000Before agriculture, hunter-gatherers, the way anthropologists describe it is there is an assumption of plentitude in hunter-gatherer societies.
01:02:25.000And in farming societies, in every society since then, there's an assumption of scarcity.
01:02:30.000It's a completely different way of looking at the world.
01:02:33.000You also see it in—we were talking about religion—you see it in agricultural societies.
01:02:38.000The gods are angry, jealous, temperamental, perverse.
01:02:42.000The gods in hunter-gatherer societies are giving.
01:05:04.000And also, the conversations that we're having, like this conversation with you, you can not just acquire information much more easily than reading, but it also stimulates your desire to acquire new knowledge in a way that I don't even know if reading does.
01:05:19.000It's like you get inspired by a variety.
01:08:49.000I mean, hunting is a very thrilling thing.
01:08:53.000What I want to do this year, and this is in no judgment of anybody who's not doing it, but I want to be able to know exactly where all my meat comes from.
01:09:04.000I think it's an ethical, much more ethical way than factory farming, certainly, and even more than agriculture, because that animal is living its life completely free and wild until the moment you pull that trigger.
01:09:17.000And so my idea was to get all those ducks in a row, make sure that I'm shooting at an animal that I'm definitely going to hit.
01:09:24.000The crosshairs are lined up on it perfectly.
01:09:50.000It was off by like six inches at 100 yards, which is quite a bit.
01:09:54.000I mean, when you fall, and I was walking around these slippery hills with snow everywhere and logs, and These big, stupid moon boots that I was wearing that were insulated boots that were good to like 40 below zero, but you can't fucking walk in them.
01:10:09.000I mean, they're enormous and they're stiff.
01:10:12.000Their ankles don't bend, so you're like Frankensteining it.
01:12:31.000By the end of 2014, my goal is to be all game meat.
01:12:35.000Because I think if you're going to be a meat eater, and I've been a meat eater my whole life, I want to know where the food comes from, one.
01:12:41.000I mean, it's great if you can go to a farm that you know the guy's taking care of his cows.
01:12:45.000Like Doug Duren, the guy whose farm that I hunted on this weekend, he has cows, and he grass feeds them.
01:12:51.000He even gave me some of his meat, and I was happy to get that.
01:13:36.000I'm not saying go out and do what I'm doing.
01:13:39.000But I think knowing what I know about the whole process, seeing documentaries like Food, Inc., and just knowing what I know about, I don't want to do that.
01:13:51.000But if I had a choice between being a vegetarian and keeping the factory farm system in place the way it is, I'd probably go with being a vegetarian.
01:16:30.000We had to decide whether or not the deer was big enough for me to shoot.
01:16:33.000Because this guy is trying to raise large deer on his property.
01:16:38.000But since they're trying to get rid of as many as possible right now because they're growing, he kind of gave us the green light to shoot a younger deer.
01:16:44.000So the deer was only like two years old.
01:16:45.000They like them to grow like five years.
01:16:50.000Big antlers are cool, but I was doing it for meat.
01:16:53.000That's what I want to do it for from now on.
01:16:55.000I want to just try to do that every few months and bring back 100 pounds of meat or shoot an elk, shoot a large animal, and just try to live off wild animals.
01:17:06.000You know, my wife's from Africa, from Mozambique.
01:17:15.000One time we were, she was raised in a rural, her grandmother's house was in a village, an African village, and she spent weekends out there all the time.
01:17:24.000So anyway, one day we're in Amsterdam.
01:17:27.000It's a beautiful spring day by a canal, and these little ducks go by, and she's looking at these ducks, like really staring at these ducks, and she's got a weird look on her face.
01:17:38.000She said, oh, I was just thinking how much I'd love to kill that duck and rip its guts out and stuff it with garlic and herbs and rosemary.
01:18:37.000You know, Shroom Tech Sport, one of its big ingredients, besides the Cordyceps mushroom, is B12. Fantastic for endurance.
01:18:43.000I mean, they used to give it to us intramuscularly when we were wrestling.
01:18:47.000If, like, someone was feeling tired or down, they'd shoot you, give you a shot of B12. Because a lot of guys were drained as fuck from losing weight.
01:18:56.000Didn't Air Force pilots use that as well?
01:19:04.000There's actually a good company that makes a spray that you use sublingually that works pretty good, but nothing beats the old injectoroni.
01:19:14.000Yeah, that's a big issue with vegans, not getting B12, because primarily I think it comes from animals.
01:19:20.000But they've actually brought this vegan couple to trial for manslaughter, murder, whatever it was, because their child died from malnutrition because the kid wasn't getting enough B12. Their baby died because they didn't give it the proper vitamins because they insisted on a vegan diet.
01:19:38.000So in not harming animals, they harmed their child.
01:19:47.000I think it goes along with the same thing that we were talking about earlier with corporations being that we lost the script and humanity is not favored over finances, over ones and zeros.
01:19:59.000Humanity should be favored above all else.
01:20:01.000It should be the most important thing.
01:20:05.000How did we end up serving the corporations?
01:20:07.000Well, they are us, and they are because it's a game, because it's a cumulative game.
01:20:13.000You can figure out how to acquire more, and there's clear benefits to being The guy who has the giant mansion who gets driven around in a Rolls Royce.
01:20:24.000There's all those benefits in being that ruthless fuckhead.
01:20:28.000But you know, maybe I'm going to sound like one of these vegans here, but I've known a lot of these guys with the yachts and the mansions, and they're not really happier.
01:21:11.000There's a broad range of needs that a human has.
01:21:16.000And in this society, you need a little money.
01:21:18.000Because you need to be able to figure out how to pay for food and shelter.
01:21:22.000The studies do show that happiness goes up.
01:21:25.000From like $7,000 a year to $40,000 a year.
01:21:29.000And then after $40,000 a year, it tapers off.
01:21:32.000Yeah, I was thinking once your needs are met.
01:21:34.000Once your needs are met, everything after that is not about happiness.
01:21:39.000I was explaining this to a friend of mine that one of the big things that happened to me when I started doing well and started making enough money, I mean, it was not rich by any stretch of the imagination, but when I first started doing well as a comedian was that I didn't feel worried anymore.
01:21:54.000Like about where my bills are getting paid.
01:21:56.000Because every month was like a fucking terrifying struggle to pay for food and pay for gas.
01:22:03.000It was always like barely under the wire.
01:22:05.000I'm paying my rent three days late every month because I didn't have it.
01:22:31.000The greatest predictor of happiness, once you get past that level of subsistence or you can take a vacation, you're not worried about paying your bills and all that, The greatest predictor of happiness is community, a sense of community, interconnection with other people.
01:22:47.000Shooting ourselves in the foot with the wealth is that one of the things that happens with wealth is that we become isolated and insulated from other people.
01:22:56.000What's the difference between comfort and numbness?
01:23:01.000I used to travel backpack all over the world.
01:23:04.000And sometimes I'd meet somebody and they'd be like, you don't know, man, you gotta come with me on my private jet.
01:24:35.000Like, one of the things that I found really fascinating about your book was Sex at Dawn.
01:24:40.000Was the way you described the interconnectedness of these small societies, that the idea of promiscuity that we have today, our idea of it is someone going to a bar and picking up a total random stranger and having sex with someone all willy-nilly and crazy.
01:24:57.000That's not what promiscuity originated as.
01:25:00.000It originated as just having sex with a bunch of different people that were also in the tribe, and it was the norm.
01:25:36.000And it's studies of the way people react to disasters, you know, and contemporary mainstream economic theory, which is sort of based on the idea that we're all selfish and trying, you know, self-optimizers,
01:25:51.000always looking for advantage for ourselves.
01:25:53.000That's sort of like built into economic theory.
01:25:56.000Would predict that in disasters that people would be even more like that.
01:26:00.000You know, they'd be even more protective of their resources.
01:26:04.000Whereas what actually happens is that in disasters, people start helping each other, strangers.
01:26:10.000You know, like those people in that building, that's when they'll meet each other when there's an earthquake, right?
01:26:14.000And like, holy shit, did you feel that?
01:26:17.000Or, you know, Twin Towers, people were so happy after that.
01:28:23.000Do you think that maybe that's one of the reasons why people feel so unfulfilled, is that they're not experiencing highs and lows, they're just experiencing a drone...
01:28:30.000Like a daily drone of traffic and a job that's mundane.
01:28:33.000Is that what causes all this depression?
01:29:28.000That year was just a series of things that went on that I had no emotional connection to whatsoever.
01:29:33.000And that's the antidote for this crazy society that we live in that's completely unnatural.
01:29:37.000And all the reward systems that are set up in our bodies from thousands of years of DNA and learning, all that stuff is just never appeased.
01:30:31.000K or C? C. He's a neurology professor at Columbia University.
01:30:36.000H-A or H-E-R? H-A-R-T. H-A-R-T. No, I think I sent you an email about him because he was coming out to do the Bill Maher show like a month ago or something.
01:30:45.000He's got a book out called High Price.
01:30:49.000It's sort of an autobiographical account of him being born in Miami, wrong part of town.
01:30:56.000He's a black guy, low income, and I don't remember if it's his brother or his buddies growing up.
01:31:21.000And so he's talking about drugs with a very knowledgeable, realistic understanding of what they are and what kind of people use them and why they use them.
01:31:31.000And so he argues that Drugs aren't addictive.
01:31:35.000What's happening is these people are in this absolutely impossible situation.
01:31:39.000And as you say, they go get the drugs and get behind a door and say, fuck you, because it's like the only escape they've got.
01:31:49.000The idea of the hunter-gatherer being a fulfilling life, like that lifestyle being a fulfilling life, has really been appealing to me lately.
01:31:56.000It's one of the reasons why I started this project of 2014 to live off only game meat.
01:32:01.000Because I started seeing these documentaries, like the Warner Herzog documentary on the taiga, Happy People.
01:32:15.000And then there's also these Alaska shows that I like, like Life Below Zero is one of them, where it's all people that live either below or right above the Arctic Circle, or right below or above the Arctic Circle.
01:32:28.000Some of them 140 miles above the Arctic Circle.
01:32:30.000I mean, they're just fucking freezing their ass off.
01:32:37.000They're missing a lot of things that I enjoy, but there's something about this life that they're living that creates these stable, happy people.
01:32:46.000If you look at reality shows, reality shows drive me fucking crazy, and I think they should because there's something about putting people on television for no reason and then following them because they're on television for no reason.
01:33:02.000The Kardashians are just some normal folks.
01:33:04.000I'm sure they're no better or no worse than most of our neighbors.
01:33:07.000But when you're following these unexceptional people that have nothing to contribute, they're not doing anything.
01:33:13.000They're not releasing songs, they're not writing books, they're not contributing to the cultural awareness.
01:33:19.000There's nothing going on there, but yet you follow them anyway because they're being broadcast and it becomes something that you lock into.
01:33:26.000You're dealing with people of an exceptionally low character, nonsense talking, you listen to the things they care about, the things they say.
01:33:34.000They're essentially children eating the fat of this society, this oozing, big, fat, sloppy society that just lets them pull up to the trough and feed.
01:33:46.000And because of that, they never are pressured to develop character and true identity and be exceptional people in the way that these hunter-gatherer people are.
01:34:36.000I mean, that kind of nonsense distraction when you come home from a day of work and you're all fucked up on Zoloft and you're just staring at this stupid fucking show.
01:34:49.000I mean, is that like some sort of a way that this machine...
01:34:53.000It has of getting us to continue to contribute, continue feeding this machine, continue buying things and becoming a part of this weird process we have where all we do is just create new items and blocks of fucking things and stuff your house filled with shit that you buy and everything that you buy just continues to contribute to this process of constantly creating new shit.
01:36:37.000In the book, I'm not advocating that we go back to hunter-gatherer societies, although partial steps like what you're doing are great.
01:36:45.000Not because it's going to save the world, but because it'll enrich your life and your kids' lives.
01:36:50.000But the whole I'd miss this or that thing is kind of like a non-issue because if you were raised in that society, then you wouldn't know to miss it.
01:37:01.000So it's not about you or me becoming hunter-gatherers.
01:37:04.000It's about looking at these two approaches to life.
01:37:38.000And so he went to live with them, learned the language, and eventually they convinced him to adopt their spiritual traditions rather than the other way around.
01:39:47.000If you're talking about a guy who's got a half-million-dollar house, and he drives a Cadillac and works all day, and you're like, well, listen, we've decided to start a commune, and we're going to be really happy.
01:40:07.000It costs a lot of money, just electric bills, $500 a month.
01:40:12.000People get this idea in their head that this thing that you're doing, this part of this role that you're playing in this society, is the only way to be happy.
01:40:45.000Unless you're talking about gigantic chunks of land, like if someone's got a goddamn huge cattle ranch that's got 3,000 acres.
01:40:52.000It's obvious they're using up a lot of resources, a lot of water.
01:40:56.000You should probably pay some sort of a tax on that.
01:40:58.000If you're just a guy who's got a $150,000, $200,000 house and you worked your whole life to earn that house and you bought it and paid for it, you should be fucking done.
01:41:42.000He's got a generator that uses river water.
01:41:45.000The river water spins this wheel that creates electricity, and that's how he powers his bandsaws.
01:41:50.000He cuts his own wood, he has like a couple thousand acres out there.
01:41:54.000And he lives off deer meat that he shoots, he lives off chickens that he raises, and he's off the land, grows his own kale, the whole deal.
01:43:08.000And one of my teachers, who was a visiting professor that I got to be friends with, was the youngest person to ever be a professor at Oxford.
01:43:31.000He's written a bunch of books and all this.
01:43:33.000And he was a friend of mine, and I skipped my junior year of college.
01:43:39.000So I had one more year of undergraduate, and then I was going to go to Oxford for my PhD, thanks to this guy and his connections.
01:43:46.000I was going to study literature there, do a PhD, and by the time I was 30, be teaching somewhere, hopefully have tenure and be all set for life.
01:43:54.000So I skipped my junior year because I found a loophole in the student handbook where I could scam through, which I've done every school I've ever been in, every job I've ever had, I find some scam.
01:44:05.000So I scammed my way out of junior year and I said, I'm going to go to Alaska because I want to see the frontier.
01:44:11.000So I hitchhiked from New York to Alaska.
01:44:15.000Had all these freaky adventures, as you can imagine, right?
01:44:18.000Went to prison, got shot at, you know, all this crazy shit happened.
01:44:23.000And I met people along the way who picked me up, especially like in the Yukon and Alaska, who were so fucking kind.
01:44:54.000The fancy-schmancy literature and philosophy that I was studying, right?
01:44:58.000I had the collected poems of D.H. Lawrence in my backpack, and they'd never heard any of this shit, right?
01:45:05.000When I compared them to my professor friends back at school, I was like, wait a minute, these people don't know any of this, you know, elite knowledge, but they're really happy people, and they're healthy people, and they have good families,
01:45:20.000and they're decent, and they're kind, and they're generous to me.
01:45:23.000And then I imagine one of them, you know, stumbles into Princeton, New Jersey, or where I was going to school in upstate New York, and my professor friends, you know, come upon them.
01:48:08.000You have to keep blankets with you at all times.
01:48:10.000Because your car could break down, you could be at the side of the road, no one could be on the road, and that candle might keep you alive.
01:48:16.000You have to light that candle in your car with all the doors shut, and that's the only way you're going to stay warm and stay alive.
01:48:22.000There's a lot of that kind of thinking going on there.
01:48:24.000And then when someone sees you pulled over to the side of the road, they're not like, oh, who's this creepy fuck in Sherman Oaks that's pulled over to the side of the road with his hazards on?
01:48:58.000It's like, you're right that the professor probably wouldn't pick up someone who was broken down on the side of the road, but they're right to not doing that if you live in a city.
01:49:07.000Because you never know what the fuck you're going to get.
01:50:05.000It's a reflection of the fact that they're not battling weather for their lives.
01:50:10.000So there is a competence and a sort of carefulness and a checklist.
01:50:15.000If you're a pilot, you use a checklist because if you don't, you're a dead pilot.
01:50:20.000It's like that in northern climates as well.
01:50:22.000It develops a certain kind of approach to life that's much more competent.
01:50:27.000And then on the other hand, you've got places like Brazil where the weather's fantastic and the people are like laughing and they're on the beach, they're smiling and very friendly and very warm.
01:50:36.000And that's also because they don't have to deal with any bullshit.
01:52:49.000Yeah, I think that a certain amount of nature, having to deal with a certain amount of adversity, develops character.
01:52:57.000It's one of the issues that I have with modern life as far as people just getting a nice, safe job, is that You don't really have to deal with too much adversity.
01:53:09.000There's not a lot of risk involved, not a lot of fear.
01:53:12.000And parents like that for their children.
01:54:08.000One of the things about it that was so exciting is regular life became so much more manageable when four or five days a week I was fighting for my life.
01:54:18.000It's like there was a reality of a mad scramble with some crazy brown belt who's got a nasty guard and you guys are doing battle.
01:54:28.000He's trying to choke the blood out of your neck.
01:54:30.000And because of that, everything else I would do would be so much less threatening.
01:55:24.000When I was like 14. Oh my god, that could have just shredded you.
01:55:28.000And then the next time I was in Thailand, I was in Chiang Mai, Thailand, and I rented this Suzuki 185, like a small light bike, and I did like a six-day trip around the Golden Triangle in northwest Thailand,
01:56:02.000And I remember exactly when it was because I got up early, like 7 o'clock in the morning, to watch Mike Tyson fight James Bonecrusher Smith.
01:56:13.000And it was being shown in this little bar cafe in Chiang Mai near where I was staying, and I got up early because I wanted to see it, and these two British dudes and me were the only ones there.
01:57:51.000So we're sitting in their room, and we did the Chase the Dragon, where you put the heroin on tinfoil, because the flame can't touch the heroin.
02:01:14.000And then the guy said, you know, 20 hours of community service and this will disappear from your record if you don't get arrested in a year.
02:01:22.000So I always say no, because I wasn't convicted of anything.
02:01:26.000And they said it would be taken from my record.
02:05:06.000I was like, yeah, I'm not going to get that pipe and grass back, am I? And he was like, I don't think so, man.
02:05:11.000I was like, well, you know, it wouldn't bother me if it just disappeared and was never even registered, because grass is hard to come by in Alaska.
02:06:36.000And we were just like, this dude was shoveling it in and he looks up at one point and he says, this is the best fucking prison I've ever been in.
02:09:14.000Country guys from Pennsylvania originally, but he moved out west in the 60s and got a job as a fire lookout in Arches National Monument or one of those parks or maybe it was Canyonlands right there.
02:09:28.000And spent the summer by himself in this house, you know, just with this incredible view, looking for lightning strikes.
02:09:34.000And he wrote essays and the book became this cult word of mouth classic.
02:09:40.000It's probably sold a million copies by now.
02:10:15.000We went there for the winter to ski, and then I was there this summer filming the TV show, the sci-fi show.
02:10:21.000One of the things we did was in Utah, and everything was fucking green and gorgeous, and you just get to see what it looks like when it's not covered in snow.
02:10:28.000It's like, oh my god, this is paradise.
02:11:44.000But when we drove up there, Duncan and I just could not stop rolling down the window and just sticking our heads out and go, God, is this real?
02:11:52.000Just deep, rich green with low clouds everywhere because you're pretty high altitude up there in the mountains and it's just the fog and the clouds and the trees and it's just so alive in the air.
02:12:51.000Well, that's what people say about fishing and hunting as well, although it sounds like your trip wasn't as enjoyable sitting in a freezer.
02:15:27.000I think, as we were saying about weather, that dealing with weather is important too.
02:15:32.000Just to know that you're humbled by nature upon occasions.
02:15:35.000It's one of the things I like about it when it rains in LA, and everybody has to go, oh, okay, yeah, this could happen too.
02:15:41.000There's people that complain about it, but I love the fact that they're introduced to the reality of the fact that you're living on a planet with an ecosystem, and it's variable.
02:16:00.000I mean, one of the cool things, and I've lived in India for months at a stretch, and one of the cool things there is that electricity would go out, like, constantly, you know?
02:16:40.000And somebody, oh, fuck, someone last night told me that story, showed me that recipe in her cookbook, And said that something about the person who named it got you confused with Seth Rogen or something, or Josh somebody.
02:19:05.000Did I ever tell you, there's this one video of a fight that broke out in a gymnasium, and everyone even used to have towels more back then, because the towel thing's kind of new.
02:19:15.000In the last ten years, rappers started having towels all the time and stuff.
02:19:26.000So there was this fight that broke out in this gymnasium, and they showed, the video lasted until everyone got out of the gymnasium, and on the ground was just towels and the stickers from people's hats.
02:21:18.000We shouldn't definitely not accuse someone or say that she did it or that she was a liar, but somebody fucking hoaxed it.
02:21:27.000What's interesting is that, I don't know if you heard the family said that, the only thing they could think of is that the hostess says Dana is going to be, or Dan's going to be your waiter.
02:22:01.000Yeah, they left her, like, the right amount.
02:22:03.000It reminds me, like, five years ago I read this story in the International Herald Tribune about a guy, this relates to what we were saying earlier, a rich guy, millionaire, big house, who decided to give it all up and, you know, give everything away and live a simple life because that was happy,
02:22:20.000it would make him happier and this and that, right?
02:22:22.000So when I started working on Civilized to Death, I had this clipping that I had kept for years.
02:22:28.000And so I Googled the dude to see, you know, what's happened with this guy.
02:22:32.000Is he still happy or does he get another job?
02:22:51.000That, like, he was going to renounce his wealth and all that.
02:22:54.000But really behind the scenes he had to make money to pay off creditors, whatever it was.
02:22:58.000And the guys going around the world, still, giving talks, charging lots of money to give talks about how wonderful it is to give up all your money.
02:23:10.000This family apparently, not only were they not homophobic, they actually wouldn't vote for Governor Christie because he didn't agree with gay marriage.
02:24:33.000But you're also going to have false rape accusations too.
02:24:36.000It's like, that's one of the reasons why I'm...
02:24:39.000I'm really against gender identity in the fact that, not gender identity, but sticking with your gender, like uniformly and prejudicely, like always.
02:26:12.000I think fat, lazy misogynists who women don't like, so they come up with a bunch of reasons why women suck.
02:26:17.000That's not necessarily correct on either side, but it's still the automatic stereotype that...
02:26:24.000Waitress who lied about an anti-gay tip has told far worse lies.
02:26:27.000She used to tell her friends that she had survived brain cancer, that she did when in Afghanistan and all her people and her army thing blew up and she was the only survivor, which she never even toured in Afghanistan.
02:27:54.000But because it's institutionalized, I have to do it.
02:27:59.000I really think that as long as we're living in these massive societies where we're constantly dealing with people we don't know in any personal way, there's always going to be that sense of emptiness and the abuse of trust.
02:28:15.000I think we have a real hard time dealing with large numbers of people.
02:28:19.000You get this weird detachment, like I was saying about Jimmy Norton living in this box with a thousand people that he doesn't know.
02:28:27.000And also, I wanted to get back to this we were talking about earlier about New York after the Twin Towers.
02:28:32.000We filmed Fear Factor in New York and I think it was 2002 or maybe 2003 at the latest and it was palpable how friendly people were and what a change it had made and what a sense of community.
02:28:46.000We had a woman who was with us who may or may not have smoked some of my weed and She was one of the crew and may or may not have been ready for some of my weed and blacked out and actually fainted on the street.
02:29:08.000We went outside and she literally lost consciousness.
02:29:12.000The fireman came and When the firemen came over, first of all, they could have been more friendly, and, you know, they were really nice to her and everything, but the amount of love the firemen were getting from people on the street, like, waving to them, honking at them, you know, like,
02:29:28.000yelling, shouting nice things across the street, you know?
02:29:31.000Somebody yelled something about, you know, I love first responders, or something along those lines, and they waved to them, and there was, like, this feeling of appreciation and camaraderie.
02:29:41.000Think about the American soldiers going into France in World War II, the amount of love they were getting.
02:29:59.000I mean, I don't know how many dead bodies you've seen, but, you know, I think my grandmother is the only dead body I ever saw, and I had to kiss her on the fucking lips, which was pretty creepy.
02:30:59.000I mean, it's really cool because, you know, the thing is we come to these moments in our lives where we have to face death and we get some creepy dude in a bad suit, you know, selling us overpriced.
02:31:08.000By the way, what's going on with a $12,000 hermetically sealed stainless steel coffin?
02:31:13.000What the fuck are we saying with that?
02:31:15.000Yeah, we're saying we're ripping you off.
02:31:18.000Joey Diaz has a good line on that because one of his buddies that he went to school with, his family owned a funeral parlor and they were just pretty open about what a rip-off it is and how they scam you and how they get you in a period where you're in great grief and they say,
02:31:33.000you know, wouldn't you like to represent your family in a very beautiful way and we can offer this fantastic walnut line coffin.
02:34:47.000Yeah, there's a lot of weird things like that where something becomes a part of the system, and even though it's illogical, it just remains because it's a tradition.
02:34:58.000Well, the layout of the keyboard, the placement of the letters, is the way it is because of frequency of use.
02:35:07.000And so they tried to space the letters out so that you wouldn't hit two letters that were next to each other where the arm came up on the typewriter so that the arms would tangle.
02:35:19.000So they tried to make it so that The arms that came up would be spaced out, so they laid out the keyboard that way.
02:35:27.000So it's a very inefficient way to have a keyboard because it's based upon the demands of a machine that no longer exists.
02:35:38.000Which, I mean, really, that's a metaphor for society in general, is what I've been saying the whole time, you know?
02:35:44.000Like, the interests of the corporation, the interests of these institutions, supersede the interest of the person.
02:35:51.000So people always say to me when I get into these arguments about human nature, like, yeah, but we're people, we can decide, you know, we can free will, yada, yada, yada.
02:35:59.000But, you know, you do want a shoe that's more or less shaped like a foot.
02:38:08.000And so these Spanish translators who spoke English very, very well would listen to these dudes and they couldn't understand what they were saying.
02:38:50.000So you had to translate American porn to Spanish?
02:38:54.000Again, what I pretty much did in that job was translate from bad English to better English.
02:39:01.000Because they had someone else who would, like, do the rough translation, and then they'd email me the documents, and I just had to go through and clean it up.
02:39:08.000And they're funny things like, for example, in German, tail, the word tail refers to penis.
02:39:17.000So I remember one of the first ones I was translating, it was like for some hardcore porn mag, you know?
02:39:57.000The Alchemist is a story about the prodigal son.
02:40:03.000It's what Joseph Campbell called the hero with a thousand faces, right?
02:40:07.000It's a guy born in southern Spain, goes on a quest, goes through northern Africa, meets all these characters, and they give him challenges and tests and things, and then he goes through the tests and he goes back home and he finds the treasure he was looking for all the time,
02:40:52.000There's this, the knowing that something's wrong and searching for an answer and finding one that has the most mystical qualities attached to it.
02:43:46.000So the way it works is the fish come in.
02:43:50.000And, you know, you can get jobs because when the fish come in, they have to process them, like, fast, because they're rotting, right?
02:43:55.000So the fish come in, they go through this—they come off the boats, they go through this machine, this big, clanking, you know, machine that they call the chink.
02:44:07.000And I thought it was called the chink because it, like, you know, chink, chink, chink, chink, chink, chink.
02:44:10.000And one day I asked one of the foremen, and he said, oh, no, it's called the chink because Chinese used to do that job.
02:44:49.000Sometimes it missed everything, so you have to take off the head, the fins, get the guts, get the bloodline off the spine and the back.
02:44:56.000And then you put it on, you put all that guts, all that stuff into a chute, which I later learned goes into tanks that are sold to pharmaceutical companies.
02:45:06.000Because the fat from the internal organs and the head of the salmon is the base for a lot of cosmetics.
02:45:13.000And then the other, the fish, assuming the fish is in decent condition, goes onto another conveyor belt and then it goes down into the canning section where it's chopped.
02:45:23.000And placed in these cans, so it's just chopped right through.
02:45:26.000Dude, you have lived some really crazy adventures.
02:45:29.000You've had a pretty wild and broad life.
02:45:33.000I wanted, I mean, when I was 20, I was like, you know, fuck it, I'm going to die someday.
02:45:38.000But it's so romantic that you actually, like, engineered that.
02:45:42.000You know, a lot of people don't, you know, they say that maybe they have a rich, crazy life, but it's because they were an alcoholic and they were running from the law.
02:45:48.000But with you, like, you made a conscious decision to have this adventure.
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