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00:13:04.000Like, I thought I was in really good shape.
00:13:06.000But when you're climbing up those muddy hills and the Missouri breaks and everything's like sloshing and it's, you know, these steep hills and, you know, you're doing it for six hours in a row, like, man, you get exhausted.
00:13:30.000Like elk hunting, you can get up at sometimes 5 in the morning to get to where maybe you put some elk to bed the night before and walk so an hour before daylight, then you're hunting all day, and then you get back to camp after dark, maybe at 8 or 9 o'clock.
00:14:46.000Yeah, no, they're big animals and that's just, that's part of it.
00:14:49.000But that's, When you can go into the mountains where an elk lives every day and, like you said, with a sharp stick, take it out, harvest it, so you're on its home court, and then bring it back to your truck and back to your freezer,
00:15:12.000But to be able to do that, it's given me confidence to know that...
00:15:17.000Whatever everyday life, I can achieve things, you know, because that's about as tough as it gets for me.
00:15:23.000Yeah, I've always said that adversity is a very important thing for human beings because if you don't go through adversity, you never know that you can.
00:15:30.000There's always going to be questions, and every time you do go through adversity, it sort of adds on to your ability and your confidence in all walks of life.
00:15:39.000It's like this tattoo that I have is Miyamoto Musashi, the guy who wrote The Book of Five Rings.
00:15:47.000Competing in martial arts tournaments.
00:15:49.000I read the Book of Five Rings and I remember this one quote.
00:15:52.000Once you understand the way broadly, you can see it in all things.
00:15:56.000And once you've gone through the kind of adversity that you must go through to, you know, hike nine miles into a mountain, shoot an elk, and then bring that giant beast back and then cook it, like, that is a, that is, you will develop confidence and you'll develop a sense of accomplishment that's very difficult to recreate.
00:16:17.000And that's, to do that, I know how difficult that is.
00:16:20.000And so in training, I try to simulate that as much as possible.
00:16:23.000I mean, that's where the The carrying the 130-pound rock up the hill or, you know, for training I've run 100-mile ultra-marathons, you know, that type of thing.
00:16:31.000Basically, I just want to simulate that misery because I want to know what being miserable feels like.
00:16:37.000If you don't ever know, you never know how you're going to react.
00:16:40.000Some people might fold up, quit, but so I try to get there as often as possible.
00:16:46.000How did you, why did you decide a rock?
00:16:56.000I just, I had been seeing this rock, you know, I run this mountain all the time, so I've been seeing this rock and I was like, man, I need to get that rock to the top of the hill.
00:17:04.000And so I did this seminar at Cabela's and I said, hey, anybody who wants to come up, I'm going to go run the mountain because everybody knows I run this mountain.
00:17:12.000So they came in for the Cabela's seminar.
00:17:14.000And I told him, I said, if you run the mountain, I'll give you a free DVD. I just like to work out with people.
00:20:04.000It's just, everything helps, mixing it up.
00:20:06.000I do a lot of different things, but that's just one of them.
00:20:09.000Now, was this something that you had always done, and then when you got into hunting, you just sort of ramped it up, or did you, like, really get into fitness once you became a hunter?
00:20:18.000That's another shirt I have, you know, ramp it up.
00:24:26.000With a razor-sharp broadhead, an arrow can be.
00:24:29.000And I've seen, you know, there's videos of huge bulls I've killed dropping in seconds just from that, you know, quicker even than maybe a rifle would kill them.
00:24:44.000Well, one of the things about you is because of all your training, because of all this lifting and exercise that you do, you shoot a really heavy bow.
00:24:52.000You shoot a 90-pound compound bow, which for folks who don't know, like a lot of people, they'll tell you, like, you don't need to shoot anything more than 60. But 90, I've never even heard of anybody shooting a 90. I never even pulled one until I pulled yours.
00:25:11.000So you're sort of like adding to this whole reason why you're exercising and all this fitness and getting really strong and in really great shape.
00:25:23.000You kind of have to be in great shape just to use the very weapon that you use to take these animals out.
00:25:39.000But, you know, I want to shoot 90. What I want on an animal is I want two holes.
00:25:45.000I want that arrow blowing through so I have two holes spilling blood and that's how I'm going to recover the animal.
00:25:52.000You know, an arrow kills from hemorrhage, so not from shock like a rifle would.
00:25:57.000So to get that hemorrhage, whereas a 50-pound bow might go in halfway and it might get into the lungs and it might kill it.
00:26:04.000You know, you might get 12 inches of penetration.
00:26:06.000If I go clear through that bowl and it's, you know, maybe 24 inches across, well, there's a 24-inch wound as opposed to a 12-inch wound.
00:26:14.000And again, we're killing by hemorrhage.
00:26:16.000And so it's just going to be that much more lethal in my mind.
00:26:19.000And then if I'm blowing through ribs or through a shoulder or it's quartering way hard, so I have to go through maybe 30 inches of mass, I'm going to be able to do that.
00:26:28.000It's not necessary, so to speak, but it's what I'm comfortable with and I think it makes me that more lethal of a bowhunter.
00:26:37.000How many other dudes are shooting 90 pounds?
00:26:47.000Well, I just pulled it back, and I was thinking, when I was pulling it back, I was like, imagine pulling this thing back if you just climbed up the top of a mountain, and you're absolutely exhausted, and then you have this one opportunity.
00:26:56.000Have you ever had that happen, where you're really exhausted to work to get to where the elk is, and then you're so tired you have a hard time pulling the ball?
00:27:27.000You know, where I think would be more difficult is if you're sitting in a tree stand for hours, freezing, and then a buck walks by and you have a 90-pound bow, that would be hard.
00:27:41.000I did use, I had that bow for a late season hunt back home and it was cold.
00:27:48.000It was like seven degrees and I'd been up there for hours and I'm just like, okay, this is going to be a test now if I can pull this back and I was able to.
00:27:56.000Well, it's just because you trained so hard.
00:27:58.000Yeah, no, I mean, yeah, if I didn't do what I do every day, there's no way.
00:28:10.000There's more doing it now, especially guys out west.
00:28:14.000I get emails from Georgia, from people.
00:28:20.000What I found is that, like you talked about earlier, it kind of gives your life purpose.
00:28:26.000Everybody has a job, people have families, everything else, and they just kind of They need to find something that can define them or motivate them.
00:28:36.000And now all of a sudden training for hunting is something.
00:28:39.000You know, before that was, you know, nobody ever did it.
00:28:42.000So now maybe that is what's making a difference in their life.
00:28:46.000And so, you know, and I still get people who, they don't like it.
00:28:51.000They don't like feeling like they have to train to hunt.
00:28:54.000And so I get criticized a lot for my approach also.
00:31:01.000It's okay to be obsessed with something and pursue excellence, and it's okay to just enjoy it as a pastime.
00:31:07.000The problem is that the people that enjoy it as a pastime, they're always going to get this little nagging thing in the back of their head, for some of them, especially the weak ones.
00:31:18.000That they realize that you do it better than them.
00:31:20.000Or they realize that if they went hunting with you, they couldn't keep up.
00:31:22.000Or they realize if they ran with you, they can't keep up.
00:31:25.000Or if they realize they tried to lift with you, they couldn't lift as much.
00:31:44.000The number one problem with this world is people, instead of being inspired, they look to criticize.
00:31:50.000People, instead of looking at someone who works hard and does something amazing, And looking at their own life, they find fault or they find weakness or they find themselves not to add up, not to measure up.
00:32:36.000I've felt all that, especially as a young man before I... Figured out how to train my mind and how to embrace someone who's better than me and embrace someone who inspires me and look for it amongst my peers, look for it even amongst my enemies.
00:32:51.000I try to be inspired by people I don't even like.
00:32:54.000If I find someone that I think is someone who's a bad comedian, who's a joke thief, but they work hard, I try to take that aspect of them that works hard And only concentrate on that and find inspiration in it.
00:33:09.000Because then they become valuable to me.
00:33:11.000Then I can see the negative aspect of their behavior and that becomes valuable to me because I realize it reinforces what's bad.
00:33:18.000But then the good aspects of it, whatever it is, you could find something in someone that you don't even like.
00:33:24.000You could find something that they do that can inspire you.
00:34:43.000Reading what they say about me makes me laugh.
00:34:46.000If I really thought they were right, it would bother me.
00:34:49.000But if I If I have done what I need to do and I've done all the work and I've assessed myself and I'm objective, then I can find folly in their weakness.
00:36:23.000So I don't want to fail when it comes down to that moment.
00:36:27.000Not only for me, but for other people who sacrifice.
00:36:30.000So that's basically what the work's about.
00:36:32.000And I think it's cool, too, that you feel that people are inspired by these things, and it actually, like, motivates you to ramp it up another notch, to keep it going even further.
00:37:35.000So we just make time to make it happen and it's just what I do.
00:37:40.000The other part about working out about the bad mood part is that your body sort of develops this habit of pumping out energy.
00:37:51.000When you get in shape and you get your body really fit and you get your body used to exerting these big explosive bursts of energy like lifting or jujitsu or whatever it is, your body sort of ramps up for that And then it's like, hey, where's my release?
00:38:21.000And I think our bodies are probably designed for a certain amount of that, being that we were...
00:38:28.000You know, for who knows how many thousands of years we were hunter-gatherers and we essentially share the same DNA as those human beings that lived 30, 40,000 years ago.
00:38:36.000There's not much of a difference between us and them.
00:38:39.000There's got to be a lot of the old reward, the reward mechanisms of life, like, still in our DNA. And I think that people who don't exercise those reward mechanisms We're good to go.
00:39:18.000I want to say your spirit, but that's a word that's been hijacked by so many shitheads wearing crystals around their neck.
00:39:25.000But it seems like there's something in you that opens up this weird path that like, oh, you didn't even know this was there.
00:39:35.000This predator path, this path of connection to the animals, connection to the wild world, going out there and getting an animal and eating it.
00:39:45.000And I don't even mean it in like a macho, like, look how cool I am way.
00:39:51.000There's this weird spiritual connection you have to the Mother Earth when it provides for you, to the animals of the wild itself when you go out and you get one and then you use it for sustenance.
00:41:42.000You do it in the areas where they're accessible to all these folks.
00:41:45.000You can get a tag, just like everybody else.
00:41:49.000You get your license, just like everybody else.
00:41:51.000And you go out there, and you're not doing one of these canned hunts.
00:41:55.000This is really like the American wilderness that you're entering into.
00:42:00.000Yeah, and that's, you know, I have done, so I've had guides, like when I go someplace where guides require Canada or different places, but Where I basically made a name for myself was in the wilderness by myself on solo hunts.
00:42:15.000And, you know, to tell you the truth, I was worried.
00:42:18.000I think, let's see, I wrote an article.
00:42:20.000It was either 99 or 2000. I went with my buddy South Cox.
00:42:58.000And this is probably the last time this hunting is ever going to be good because people are going to see this and they're going to want to do it.
00:43:04.000And now where I didn't see anybody for years, there's going to be tons of people.
00:43:10.000Well, next year came around, went back in there.
00:45:42.000You're so far out of your comfort zone.
00:45:44.000We're so distracted with everything that's going on in the regular world that being in the wilderness where there's nothing is overwhelming for a lot of people.
00:46:11.000They worry about getting injured, not being able to get out.
00:46:14.000No one's going to be able to find them.
00:46:16.000Like, if you don't have a satellite phone and a backup satellite phone and a handgun, there's a lot of fear involved in being in the actual wild itself.
00:46:46.000Like, I went on a scouting trip and then stayed one night, then came out.
00:46:50.000And it just kind of baby steps into it because it's, you know, if you polled, you know, I don't know how many people there are here in L.A., but how many people have stayed out overnight in the mountains by themselves It's not going to be very many people.
00:48:03.000It was just like, you're so, you know, to everybody else, Princess Diana dying was just like, you know, the world's going to stop.
00:48:11.000But when you're back in the wilderness and you killed a six by six bull elk, nothing else matters.
00:48:17.000And that's, I just remembered that's the difference between living back there where it's just about, am I going to find a place to sleep tonight?
00:52:29.000Bill Clinton was one of those weird guys that would just like whip it out on girls.
00:52:33.000Like if you talk to, I didn't talk to, but if you read some of the accounts of some of those women that were like really angry at him from Arkansas, he would get alone with them and just whip it out.
00:53:13.000Well, that's a good way to look at your own life.
00:53:16.000That's a good way to manage your own life.
00:53:19.000The problem, of course, is that this is supposed to be some sort of a community.
00:53:23.000Our country is supposed to be some big giant community and the people that are running this community that are in charge of dictating the rules and the regulations are clearly screwing it up.
00:53:35.000This is not the optimum way to run any country.
00:53:38.000I don't know if it's possible to optimally run a country with the mess that's been created before the people that got into power, in power, before they got into positions of having any control.
00:53:51.000There's probably so much Bureaucracy and crazy shit behind the scenes as far as like special interest groups and lobbyists and the massive web is probably so deep you could never hack through it all, clean it all up and come up with some sort of a rational system.
00:54:20.000And your heart blows in your chest and you fall down and shit your pants and die in agony.
00:54:26.000Or, you just live your life saying, okay, I'm going to leave that shit to somebody else, let them run it, and I'm going to go wandering through the woods with pointy sticks and I like your approach better.
00:54:38.000Well, I think whoever is running the country, they'd do a much better job if they were bow hunters.
00:54:43.000If they had been in the mountains and actually tried to survive and then maybe even killed an animal and took it back to their family...
00:54:51.000I think they'd probably be a better commander-in-chief.
00:55:00.000I think Putin is kind of a psycho, but I respect the fact that he's a black belt in judo, and he's a real martial artist, and he sort of carries himself in that way.
00:55:10.000Like, if Obama and Putin were gonna throw down, Putin would fuck Obama up.
00:55:39.000I think that any very, very difficult thing that anybody does, whether it's bow hunting or martial arts or anything where it's incredibly difficult to accomplish something, it sort of separates the people that will quit from the people that figure out a way to succeed.
00:55:55.000And that's really, that overcoming adversity, that's where character comes from.
00:56:00.000And that's the things that we all admire.
00:56:02.000And that shit's hardwired into us, man.
00:56:18.000Because to me that day I was like, this motherfucker's doing some shit that I probably can't do right now.
00:56:23.000And when you see that, it makes you like, I want to be able to carry that rock up the hill.
00:56:27.000All right, well, if I'm going to fucking start out with a 35-pound plate, I'm going to carry that up the hill.
00:56:31.000I'm going to work my way up to that big rock.
00:56:33.000And that inspiring each other and the ability to push yourself to these incredible heights is really one of the more exciting aspects of being a person.
00:56:46.000It's one of the things that makes being a man or a woman, I mean, I guess being a woman, I'm not a woman, so I don't know.
00:56:51.000I thought about it sometimes, what it would be like.
00:56:54.000But it makes it, it gives you thrills.
00:57:18.000They're just, they haven't reached their potential.
00:57:21.000It's not that their potential is less.
00:57:23.000I feel like probably inside all of us, we all have the potential for greatness in one way or another.
00:57:29.000As long as we don't have any obvious physical problems, we didn't get dealt a terrible genetic hand of cards with a disease or something like that.
00:57:37.000But if you don't have that, I think all of us have potential.
00:57:42.000I feel bad for people who don't at least attempt to reach a potential in some way.
00:57:47.000Yeah and that's you know for me I don't I didn't feel I don't feel like I'm any different from anybody else you know because I've been back in my early 20s I remember I signed up for a 10k race 6.2 miles back home and quit I mean I always had been partying I was I don't know what 19 or 20 and uh it's just whatever not in shape and I'm like why am I doing this and stepped off the course And I'll never forget what
00:58:17.000that moment felt like being a quitter.
00:58:22.000But the point is, so if I've been that guy who quit a six-mile race, and I've come and now have done what I can do or what I finally...
00:58:32.000Believe or figured out I could do anybody can you know what I mean?
00:58:37.000I'm not like crazy talented or or have all this ability that just is natural It's just but it's what I what I'm doing and what I chase and what I work for every day and I've been able to achieve what some might consider you know Big accomplishments.
01:03:34.000You know, I mean, if you stop and look at, like, as far as, like, exercise, like, think about, like, what people used to do for exercise and now what people do now.
01:03:42.000Like, no one trains harder than MMA fighters.
01:03:45.000And MMA fighters, you know, if you deal with a guy like, say, you know, a George St. Pierre or a John Jones, they're training twice a day at least.
01:03:59.000Randy Couture used to take very few off days.
01:04:03.000He would do what he would call active recovery.
01:04:06.000Instead of wrestle, lift weights, maybe he would go mountain biking.
01:04:10.000Maybe he would do something where he's moving, he's getting some exercise in it, but he would do what he would call an active recovery day.
01:04:45.000That was a very unfortunate ending, too.
01:04:49.000And it was very unfortunate for Uriah in a lot of ways.
01:04:52.000First of all, he went into that camp right after the McDonald fight, and he had an injured knee and an injured hamstring entering into the Burrell fight.
01:05:00.000So he had a pulled muscle in his hamstring, a partial tear, and his knee was fucked up, so he couldn't wrestle.
01:05:06.000So not the most optimum conditions to be fighting, not just for a world title, but against...
01:05:13.000Easily one of the four baddest motherfuckers to walk the face of the planet.
01:07:08.000Yeah, but I mean, what I'm saying is to compensate for that.
01:07:11.000Not just doing that and carrying the rock, but is there any other, like, do you do those Roman chair exercises or something to strengthen your lower back?
01:08:06.000Yeah, I would imagine that there's a lot of crazy muscle groups involved in not just carrying that rock out, but just in shooting that bow, do you balance out your body because you're pulling so hard on your right side?
01:08:20.000Do you ever pull your bow just with your left side just to balance it out?
01:08:24.000No, I think the lifting helps that, you know?
01:08:27.000I mean, because lifting is pretty much you're engaging both sides equally.
01:08:31.000So the bow, the bow just is what it is.
01:08:33.000I probably, I probably am a little unbalanced, but you wouldn't be able to tell.
01:08:38.000But just from, you know, 27 years of doing it or whatever it's been.
01:08:43.000Yeah, my friend Steve Maxwell, who's a pretty famous strength and conditioning expert, he works with a lot of people that have imbalances, like kickers in the NFL, and he gets them to kick on the opposite side.
01:08:55.000And one of the things that they found is that when you use your weaker side, like say if you have a strong side, and they found this with jujitsu as well, it actually enhances your ability on your strong side.
01:09:09.000So if you, I find that playing pool too.
01:09:24.000And if I practice left-handed, then my right hand becomes better because I have to concentrate so hard to use my left hand because it doesn't know how to move right.
01:11:08.000But I found that, like, shooting lefty, like, practicing left-handed, it made me, like, so happy that I could go back to right-handed because I was so much better at it.
01:11:19.000I think that if you, well, you're so good at shooting bow and arrow anyway, but if you did start shooting left-handed, I bet it would make your right hand better.
01:11:32.000I just want to thank you and Hoyt for bringing me this awesome bow.
01:11:36.000Hoyt, which is one of the best bow manufacturers on earth, brought this Hoyt Carbon Spider Turbo for me, and it is amazing.
01:11:45.000We actually have a little bit of an archery set up back here in the back of the studio, so we shot a couple of targets with it, but this bow is sick.
01:12:34.000Jamie, pull that video up so you can see that water buffalo.
01:12:38.000It's a long stalk, a long patient stalk on this buffalo.
01:12:43.000And I would imagine you would want to get a bunch of trees between you and him just in case shit got hairy and you had a duck behind one of those trees.
01:13:15.000One thing that I figured out on these things is they might put their head down and pretend like they're eating, but really they're looking.
01:13:30.000So he might have maybe picked something up, but he put his head down, but his mouth wasn't moving, so I just stop.
01:13:35.000Okay, you're trying to catch me here, but as long as they don't see you move, you can walk right up right there.
01:13:45.000I'm not sure what we're filming here, but we get to 46 yards.
01:13:50.000The crazy thing about this is I wanted to let his leg go forward so I can slip that arrow In as it's legs forward opening up his vitals and I waited too long and you can watch this arrow and it clips a tree in between me and it and it hit the arrow hit a little lower than what I wanted because it hit that tree but because I have you know 90 pounds and so much force it was it ricocheted caught a little bit of energy from that tree it
01:14:20.000was lessened but it still went in and Heart shot on that buffalo.
01:15:06.000And so I don't know how many seconds this was, but you've got a 2,000-pound animal with just a razor-sharp stick, and he's down in, you know, a minute, maybe a minute and a half.
01:15:18.000That's That's a lot quicker than they're ever going to die in a natural habitat on their own.
01:15:24.000And that's one thing that people need to understand when you're talking about animals and hunting animals and people that are opposed to it.
01:15:31.000They need to understand first of all that In order to do proper conservation, to take care of these animals, to make sure that their herds, the population is strong, you have to cull some of the animals.
01:16:29.000Those are Asian water buffalo so they were brought over to Australia.
01:16:32.000They're not native and so there's so many of them where there once was water and there's fish and all sorts of things now it's just basically a mud hole because those buffalo get in there and you know they they piss in there they do live in there killed everything so they tear up the habitat they tear up the water they ruin the water source And so now they just want them killed.
01:16:55.000So when I was over there, I killed three of those big old things, and you could kill 20 of them if you want.
01:17:40.000No, but yeah, so it was good getting over there and seeing different animals and learning from, let's see, Adam Greentree and Owen Stronell were over there and they've awesome bow hunters and, you know, getting to new countries is just what I love to do.
01:17:55.000Yeah, and the non-native species thing is a fascinating thing to me because that's what we're dealing with in North America with the wild hogs that have been introduced, you know, they were introduced with the Europeans and they've run rampant all throughout the I mean, California, we were in Tohono Ranch,
01:18:11.000where I went hunting with Rinella, and they have 50,000 hogs on this one ranch.
01:18:27.000They're just constantly making babies, and so there's certain ranches in California, in Southern California, they're begging people to come on their ranch and kill hogs.
01:18:38.000You know, in Texas, famously, they're shooting them out of helicopters.
01:19:03.000The non-native species thing is very fascinating to me.
01:19:08.000The understanding of population control is one of the things that I've really become fascinated by getting into hunting, understanding what the fish and wildlife, what they have to go through in order to figure out how many tags to give out,
01:19:24.000what the numbers are where they need to let animals recuperate, where they need to go in and take some of them and reduce them.
01:19:50.000No, and the thing about, you know, hunting, people still...
01:19:55.000If you're not a hunter, it's hard to understand.
01:19:57.000Or some people still don't understand why in this day and age you need to hunt.
01:20:00.000Well, you know, like I work with the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation.
01:20:03.000They're the number one conservation group out there.
01:20:06.000And they've helped protect habitat, I think, over 6 million acres now of habitat for elk.
01:20:12.000So that's from hunter's dollars, you know, conservation groups.
01:20:17.000So hunters, the money we pay for tag and license and everything else to use to be in out there hunting with the weapon, that's what goes into helping these animals.
01:20:26.000You know, elk numbers now have never been higher.
01:20:29.000That's, yeah, we're hunting them, but we're also paying and contributing to the health and habitat and for elk and other wildlife.
01:20:39.000And that's That's what people don't understand.
01:20:41.000Without putting a value on those animals, then that's where, I don't know, that's where everything goes sideways.
01:20:47.000But because we value them, we're willing to pay money and help.
01:20:51.000And we've got outfits like the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation that just do amazing work for us.
01:21:06.000I mean, they don't want you to kill these cute animals.
01:21:09.000They feel like it's a cruelty thing or that it's an evil thing to go out to nature and find these beautiful things and shoot them and kill them.
01:21:17.000I understand the mindset, but it, like many things in life, is not nearly as cut and dry as everybody wants to paint it, as everybody wants to depict it.
01:21:28.000Far more complex and complicated issue.
01:21:30.000And they have a hard time believing that someone could have a deep love for animals while still hunting them.
01:27:01.000Yeah, I mean, and it's as good as it gets.
01:27:03.000The farm that we hunted on in Wisconsin this year is my friend Doug, Doug Duren, and he actually has cows on his farm as well and raises them grass-fed, gave us some of the beef.
01:29:40.000It sounds very hippie, but I believe that when you are in these areas, like when you are in a mountain and there's all these trees and there's a river or stream or whatever...
01:29:52.000I feel like there's energy coming out of those trees, there's energy in that hill, and that these life forms, these plants that grow there in the wild, and these vibrant things that have existed without any human assistance whatsoever, and we'll be here probably long after we're gone,
01:30:09.000there's something to them where when you're in that environment, you feel it.
01:30:13.000You might not even know you feel it, but Sort of like you don't know when you breathe in smoggy air, you just breathe in smoggy air, and then you get to a mountain, you get that mountain air, and you're like, wow, this is different.
01:30:45.000You know, I've been, there's this place I used to go and camp by myself in the Eagle Cap, and it was just like on this rock shelf looking over this huge canyon.
01:30:54.000And so I was sleeping there one night and, you know, stars are out.
01:30:59.000And just before dark, I glassed about 300 yards away a bunch of bighorn rams.
01:31:05.000And, you know, sheep are just like the holy grail of hunting, right?
01:36:10.000You know, we're used to laying on the couch, watching TV, having everything, while a bull elk is laying out there in the rain and the snow and the whatever, getting so tough.
01:36:19.000And so I always think about there's this gap between me and a bull.
01:36:26.000Because it's just getting wider and wider every day for most.
01:36:31.000So if you can close out, if I can get tougher and tougher and tougher, I'm going to be more on an equal playing field and be more of a predator like a lion, you know what I mean, or a wolf.
01:36:42.000How did you decide to specialize in elk?
01:36:46.000Is it just the biggest animal near you in Oregon?
01:36:49.000Yeah, it was probably the most respected and regal animal that I could afford to hunt.
01:36:57.000When I first started hunting, we bought a deer tag.
01:37:51.000For a $25 tag, get 500 pounds, well, obviously you have to pay for your equipment and your time and your food and everything to get out there.
01:38:00.000Once you figure out the time, and, you know, you look at these bows right here, these are, you know, shoot, by the time you get this bow set up here with arrows and everything else, it's like $2,000.
01:39:39.000And I just say, if you want to win my bow from last year, show up at this time and beat me at any challenge.
01:39:47.000Beat me at the challenges I put out there and you can have my bow.
01:39:50.000And so I was just going to do a win a bow in Australia because I have so many people that order my shirts and hats and And everything else from down there, I'm like, I need to get down there and see these people.
01:40:01.000You know, I just wanted to, I just felt so much support down there.
01:41:21.00012 laps around this, I think it was a cricket field, but it was about a 5K, like 3.1 miles.
01:41:29.000And so we were running, and nobody beat me at that, but she was just out there grinding and sweating and hot and just showing a lot of heart.
01:41:37.000Then she did the pull-ups and, of course, didn't win the pull-ups, and she did push-ups.
01:41:41.000And then at the 100-yard shot, she made an awesome shot.
01:41:45.000I mean, she wasn't the closest, but made a good shot at 100 yards at this 3D bull elk.
01:41:51.000And, you know, there's other people who beat her there, but I didn't think anybody showed as much heart as she did, so I gave her the bow.
01:41:57.000And, you know, it was an 80-pound bow, so obviously, I don't know, I told her, I said, you don't need to keep it.
01:42:44.000But nobody's in the village, and we don't know why it was abandoned or whatever.
01:42:48.000I guess if an elder dies, they will leave.
01:42:53.000They think there's bad spirits in the village.
01:42:56.000So they just leave everything and take off.
01:42:58.000So we don't know for sure why it was empty, but we were just there by ourselves.
01:43:01.000And we just basically slept on the porch of this hut out there.
01:43:07.000Adam, who I went out there with, he was like, you know, when we took a helicopter out there, the only way to get there was a four-hour helicopter ride.
01:43:16.000And I said, do we want to get any food?
01:43:18.000He was like, I think it would be better if we just lived off the land.
01:46:03.000Actually, the government or whoever it is comes in there and they put power and water their solar power because it's so hot and sunny down there.
01:46:13.000There was a freezer and it had some hamburger patties.
01:46:16.000So we stole those and we're cooking those up.
01:46:18.000So we're down to like one last patty and I had it.
01:46:21.000I took it because I had no food and I had it in my trail mix bag because I had no more trail mix.
01:46:27.000So I had it in there and I had one cooked hamburger patty and I remember We're sitting there and we just drank a big old vat of buffalo piss water.
01:46:35.000And I'm like, man, you know what would go good with this?
01:47:08.000I mean, you're drinking buffalo piss, might as well eat some ants.
01:47:11.000But, you know, here's the thing is, you know, experiences like that is, that's where you appreciate, you know, I don't know, how good we have it.
01:47:19.000Because you realize all that matters is you have something to drink and something to eat.
01:48:11.000and you were telling me about this before the podcast started but for the folks at home uh what was that like yeah it was uh so the back strap is typically the best cut of any game animal it's right along the spine And there's no bones and it's just big solid meat and it's usually just like on an elk that's like as good as it gets.
01:48:33.000Yeah and so we cut that off and we cooked that up and these buffalo so cut that up and cooked it up so I take a bite and I shoot my bow just middle of the day and I was shooting for probably maybe a half hour,
01:48:49.000came back, still chewing the same bite.
01:48:52.000And so, the thing about these buffalo, because there's no predators, and we were trying to kill the biggest bulls out there.
01:49:50.000Yeah, the alpha wolf, they battle over who gets the liver, and that's how they determine the alpha status of the pack, is that the wolf, who's the baddest motherfucker, is the one that eats the liver.
01:49:59.000There was a documentary on this guy who lived with wolves.
01:50:16.000And the way that he became the alpha is he was with these wolves since they were little.
01:50:20.000And he would always eat liver in front of them.
01:50:23.000So he would have an animal that they would give to these wolves, and he would put a liver inside of this animal, and he would open up the Ziploc bag and pull this liver out and eat it in front of them.
01:50:33.000So they knew that because he was eating the liver, he was the alpha.
01:50:37.000Well, he went away because he had to deal with...
01:50:41.000There was a local farmer that had a wolf invasion.
01:51:51.000When I was young, I liked being back there because I didn't have to worry about...
01:51:58.000You know, whether somebody liked me or whether I had money or whether any help from anybody, it was just like so simple and so cut and dry, just like that.
01:53:57.000That wolf had been in the Twilight movies.
01:54:04.000It's sort of a famous wolf, but the thing about it is to make it snarl like that I took some elk steak up there, and I was going to give it some elk after it did this whole thing.
01:54:16.000But to make it mad like that, you had to give it meat and take it away.
01:55:35.000I've always been a fan of wolves, which is kind of cool to do that commercial with the wolf.
01:55:39.000But I read Call of the Wild when I was a kid and White Fang, all that.
01:55:45.000I've read a lot about wolves and they're one of the only animals that'll do thrill killing.
01:55:49.000Just kill a bunch of things just to kill them.
01:55:53.000Whereas other animals usually kill just what they eat.
01:55:57.000Yeah, they had a problem with that recently at this ranch in Montana where this pack of wolves just got a hold of these calves and just slaughtered a bunch of calves, like, you know, a ton of them, like, you know, 12 calves, and just left them.
01:56:11.000I mean, ate part of them, but left a lot of them just sitting there dead, frozen.
01:56:17.000It was on a television show that I was watching.
01:56:19.000And when they're, you know, these calves that are mostly covered in snow, you see their bodies and you see the havoc that these things, They're too close to people, these fucking wolves.
01:56:43.000But we don't need a bunch of them running around the mountains.
01:56:47.000People have a weird relationship with them because they look so much like dogs.
01:56:51.000You know, it's a strange sort of a relationship that people who love wildlife have that they would be cured of really fucking quickly if they were out there in the woods and they saw a pack of wolves.
01:57:32.000You know, and people, you know, just like that Timothy Treadwell up in Alaska when he was living with the bears and he thought, oh, bears are my friends.
01:58:23.000Just this idea that this thing exists along with us, with our lattes, and our electric cars, and our Wi-Fi.
01:58:30.000Along at the same time, at this very same moment we're doing this podcast, there's some gangster-ass mountain lion in Arizona right now getting shit done on a mountain.
01:58:41.000Sneaking up on some ram or whatever the fuck he can get his teeth onto.
01:58:58.000People who are anti-hunting need to understand that just because a lot of people don't like to eat mountain lion or because nobody eats wolves, You still need to kill those things.
01:59:08.000Because if it doesn't happen, they're going to creep into civilian areas the same way they used to back in the day when they were writing those Little Red Riding Hood books.
01:59:17.000I've told this story on the podcast before, but I'll tell it again.
01:59:20.000In Paris in the 1400s, wolves killed 40 people in Paris.
01:59:26.000They had to corner wolves in the streets of Paris and kill them with spears and sticks and rocks.
02:01:36.000A bear comes and any animal will make a decision right then on what they want to do.
02:01:43.000You know, if it's a predator, if it's a dominant predator, dominant bear are more likely just to come walking right in like that and just say, you better leave because I'm coming in.
02:05:30.000So, like, if you have a bear that's living on berries and you get up there in the mountains and you kill it, it's going to be really sweet meat because it's eating blueberries or whatever else.
02:05:38.000If you have a bear that's coming in to bait and, like, some people bait down here just with meat scraps or whatever, might have maggots, it's probably not going to be that good, you know?
02:05:48.000But those bear in Alberta, mostly there's just grain is what we're putting out there.
02:06:20.000But they'll take some oats over grass any day.
02:06:24.000Yeah, I watched this episode of Meat Eater with Steve Rinella where he went for these fall bears that were fattening up before they would hibernate, and they were eating berries.
02:06:48.000And that's, you know, you get those huge black bears or if they're eating fish, like in Alaska, if they're down where, like on Prince of Wales, they can eat a lot of fish that come in.
02:06:58.000And those bears are huge because of all that protein.
02:07:01.000I mean, just it's all about their diet and they get giant because they're eating solid protein all the time.
02:07:06.000But those bears aren't as good from fish for whatever reason.
02:07:46.000If you read old accounts from like pioneering Alaskans, I mean not even that long ago, even back in the 1950s, everybody would want to kill a big fat bear in the fall like this on berries.
02:08:29.000Just like I said, when I started writing about my hunts in the mountains, even people that thought they wanted to do it didn't want to do it.
02:08:35.000I mean, yeah, not everybody wants to do that.
02:09:18.000Rinello was telling me about this moose that they shot where he had to carry it.
02:09:24.000They did nothing but go out to this moose, cut it up, and carry it back for three days because it was like a nine-mile trip.
02:09:31.000So they would go to camp, they would get up in the morning, go hike out to where the moose was, take pieces of the moose, put it in their packs, and then walk back.
02:09:39.000And they did it for three days in a row.
02:09:40.000And he said he wasn't right for two weeks.
02:09:42.000He said his body was just broken down.
02:09:46.000You earn everything you get out of the mountains.
02:09:49.000They'll get it out of you one way or another.
02:09:51.000Most people are just not going to experience that.
02:09:52.000It's unfortunate, but when you do do it, the people that do do it, one of the thrills of it is that most people are not going to experience that.
02:10:01.000No, but I think you should be able to respect it.
02:11:05.000So that's kind of why I like videoing the work and the effort and all that because you don't necessarily have to do what I do, but just respect it.
02:11:27.000With bow hunting, for whatever reason, because it seems like it's harder, you know, then they'll easily say negative stuff about rifle hunting because they say, oh, you don't have to be close or you can shoot from 400 yards or whatever.
02:11:39.000But with bow hunting, for whatever reason, we get a little more of a pass because it is difficult.
02:12:42.000Well, for folks who don't even want to shoot anything, they don't want to kill an animal, you might be a vegetarian, whatever, you might just be fine, John Hackleman-style, going to the supermarket and buying your steak.
02:12:53.000Nothing wrong with that, but I really love archery, and I've rediscovered it.
02:16:36.000I signed on with them and their hunting line now is huge.
02:16:41.000Yeah, there's a commercial that I make fun of when it comes on because it's so silly.
02:16:46.000There's all these athletes, like there's this woman who's like a professional skier, I guess, and there's all these different athletes doing all this athletic stuff, and then there's a Duck Dynasty guy with this big fat moon pie face, and he's looking around, and they're talking about athletes, and he's blowing his duck off.
02:18:02.000But I like the fact that it's a hugely popular show, and the show's about hunting.
02:18:08.000And I think there's a real hypocritical attitude that a lot of people in this country have because of the fact that food is so readily available, because it's so easy to just go to the supermarket and buy food.
02:18:19.000People say, well, why would you want to get it yourself?
02:18:21.000You must be a cruel person that wants to go out and shoot animals.
02:18:24.000I think even though it's a baby step, a show We're like a Duck Dynasty type show where you see these guys that are hunters and it's a hugely popular show where 16 million people watch it, whatever the hell it is.
02:18:37.000That's good because that's slowly starting to integrate.
02:18:41.000It's okay because it's ducks and people don't really have as much of an affinity to ducks as they do to Bambi.
02:18:46.000A deer hunting show would be a little bit more problematic.
02:18:50.000They need to do a show with you, dude.
02:20:31.000Okay, well talk to me about it afterwards and make sure they won't fuck you over because things get tricky in the world of reality TV. Yeah, well this is just for the pilot.
02:21:01.000Like, they own him for, like, what they're realizing, because of all, you know, like, from Survivor to Fear Factor, all these shows on, is that they've realized, like, Fear Factor, Michael Yeo is probably the only person that I know of that became famous because of Fear Factor.
02:21:17.000And Michael Yeo is a comic, and he's on E! Really, really nice guy.
02:28:02.000I don't want to say this for Hollywood because these same fuckheads who make fake scenarios are going to come in and ruin it, but a show like Meat Eater or a show following you around elk hunting with a bow...
02:28:14.000There's so much drama and reality in that without having to add bullshit.
02:28:21.000Someone's got to do something like that.
02:28:22.000I mean, Meat Eater does, but someone else could do it too, where you make a pledge.
02:28:35.000I've had that pitch to me recently about just showing, because not only the training for the hunt, but the camaraderie, getting out there like the challenges I do for my bow, giving back.
02:30:06.000So, I mean, they're showing supposedly hunters out there.
02:30:10.000They shoot this, I think it's actually Wolverine, as he was an animal, but shoot him with a poison pod arrow, which I don't even, I've never even seen a poison pod arrow, but so...
02:30:21.000He has poison on the arrow, shoots him.
02:30:24.000He turns back into Hugh Jackman or whatever.
02:31:43.000I think people just have the wrong idea.
02:31:47.000Having a show that would show that success on elk with a bow is around 10%.
02:31:53.000So it's like 90% of the guys out there pursuing elk with the bone arrow are failing and it's it's not guaranteed it is really tough showing that struggle and that's why i mean that's one of the reasons why i train the way i do i don't want to be in that 90 you know my goal is to be successful every single year so if you do what the average guy does you're going to fail nine times out of ten if you do more than the average if you do more than anybody else or the the standard Then maybe you'll have more
02:32:45.000So it's just, you know, But if people could see how difficult it really is and see that, you know, like we did film in Australia where we have no food, we have no water, it's 120 degrees.
02:33:00.000I think, you know, that would make compelling TV because they're like, wow, this is a lot different than I saw in the Wolverine movie, you know?
02:33:13.000I think it'd be not, I don't know, I think it'd be important to get out there because hunters are the number one conservationists there are in sharing that story.
02:33:24.000And, you know, some people find that contradictory.
02:33:26.000It's like I had a conversation with someone when we were talking about people.
02:33:30.000And I was saying, well, okay, if you could only, you know, if you only hunted, like, one person a year, but the rest of the people, you made sure you fed them and you took care of them, they got great education and took care of their environment,
02:33:46.000made sure the streets are clean, would it be okay to go out and hunt one person?
02:33:52.000And so, like, when you apply that to animal hunting, it's, for a lot of people, that's sort of the same sort of feeling they have.
02:34:01.000But what they don't understand is, as the apex predator, people don't like to think of us as the apex predator, especially if you're a vegetarian or if you're an animal rights lover.
02:34:28.000And the reason why you can get out of this office and go walk down the street and not worry about getting mauled is because we paved this motherfucker and we killed everything that can kill us and we made sure that anything that comes in, we call the cops and they send helicopters and they fucking circle the area with a flashlight until they find that cat and then they tranquilize it and they get it the fuck out of here.
02:34:51.000And you don't like to think it's our domain because you don't have to do any of the work.
02:34:54.000But the reality comes into you full force If you're alone in Idaho with a bow and arrow and you get circled by a bunch of howling beasts and they're trying to take the elk away from you.
02:36:26.000And they've let it get so out of control that the surrounding areas where you would have a safe area where you can hunt, especially bow hunt...
02:37:19.000But that's the reality of the situation, is that we're the ones, as the intelligent creatures that can communicate, we're the ones who have made an assessment, we've made a detailed analysis of all the different animals and the numbers, and we monitor them on a yearly basis.
02:37:36.000And folks who don't know, they don't appreciate that.
02:37:39.000I wasn't a hunter when I was young, and I didn't understand hunting.
02:37:42.000And I thought there was something fucked up about it.
02:37:44.000I would say, why would anybody want to kill a deer, man?
02:39:23.000You get that from anything that you do where the people can sort of relate to this unusual activity that you partake in.
02:39:30.000And I think that that's something about archery.
02:39:34.000The place that I went to, the archery outpost in Los Alamitos, There's a bunch of people around there talking about, oh, have you seen the new Hoyt?
02:39:43.000You know, they've got a new cam on the Matthews, and this has got, oh, they've got the Bowtech and Sandy, 355 feet per second, and blah, blah, blah.
02:39:50.000You know, all that shop talk, and it's...
02:39:53.000A lot of people are missing that sort of camaraderie in their everyday life because most days, from 9 to 5, you don't get to talk about what you want to talk about.
02:40:02.000You have to talk about what you're getting paid to talk about.
02:40:04.000You've got to talk about what your job entails.
02:41:25.000The philosophy that you take in this life, and I really truly believe what I said, that what you do is inspirational and it creates action.
02:41:36.000That inspiration, it makes people do things.
02:41:39.000It gives them the energy and the enthusiasm to go out and accomplish things on their own.
02:41:44.000And I think that's what life is all about, really.