The Joe Rogan Experience - February 10, 2014


Joe Rogan Experience #452 - Immortal Technique & Chino XL


Episode Stats

Length

2 hours and 56 minutes

Words per Minute

197.99944

Word Count

35,003

Sentence Count

3,415

Misogynist Sentences

142

Hate Speech Sentences

123


Summary

On this episode of the podcast, the boys discuss the return of the fanny pack and how to survive an asteroid falling from the sky. Also, we talk about a new version of Joe Rogan's "cock shield" and why it's probably not as good as it used to be. Also, the guys talk about the new and improved version of the Fanny Pack and why they think it should be sold as a survival pack instead of a t-shirt. And of course, there's a surprise guest appearance from Immortal Technique. The boys also talk about how a woman got hit in the arm by an asteroid and how she might survive it. We also get into a heated debate about whether or not cell phones are really as tough as they seem on the surface. Thanks to our sponsor, 1SweetFlowers! 1Sweetflowers.co.nz/theflowers We're sponsored by 1 Sweetflowers and it's almost Valentine's Day so we're almost in the mood for flowers. 1Sweetflower.co/TheFlowers 1 Sweetflower is a local florist that does custom flower care. 2Sweetflower 3 Sweetflower 4 Sweetflower Farm 5 Sweetflower Farms 6 Sweetflower Garden 7 Sweetflower Fields 8 Sweetflower's 9 Sweetflower Gardens Good luck! 10 Sweetflower! 11 Sweetflower Flowers 12 Sweetflower Flowers 14 Sweetflower Grove 15 Sweetflower Field 16 Sweetflower Road 17 Sweetflower Lane 18 Sweetflower Drive 19 Sweetflower Row 2119th Street 20th Street, New York, Brooklyn, NY 22nd St. Ave 23rd St 26th St. St , Brooklyn, PA 27th St, NJ 28th St , Brooklyn 29th St . 30th St ? 31st St, Brooklyn , 32nd St, 3rd St. , New York 33rd St , 35th Street , , 4th St., , # & 4th , . , # , 3rd Street, # 1st , 2nd , 5th , #1, , No place #1 , 4 , 6th, #2 , #2, 2 ,


Transcript

00:00:02.000 Not only is Immortal Technique here, but he's brought a motherfucker so cool that he's wearing a fanny pack.
00:00:08.000 Bobby Bang Bang!
00:00:10.000 Bobby Bang Bang, independent of my love for the fanny pack.
00:00:13.000 This dude was out there all completely on his own, on the natch, with true love for the fanny pack.
00:00:20.000 Much respect.
00:00:21.000 Not only am I bringing back the fanny pack, I just started selling them!
00:00:26.000 I sell a higherprimate.com fanny pack.
00:00:29.000 It's a quality Roots fanny pack.
00:00:32.000 Dice Clay was in and he had the dopest fanny pack.
00:00:34.000 This sweet leather fanny pack.
00:00:36.000 A leather fanny pack?
00:00:37.000 I'm onto something good.
00:00:39.000 It was strong.
00:00:40.000 It was made by Roots.
00:00:41.000 You know that company that makes bags?
00:00:42.000 It's like a dope fanny pack.
00:00:43.000 And I was like, where'd you get that one?
00:00:44.000 I was jealous because all my other ones were functional but disgusting.
00:00:47.000 But this was like, it was actually fashionable.
00:00:50.000 I was like, I can bring it back with Roots.
00:00:52.000 So I contacted Roots and had them print up the Higher Primate logo.
00:00:56.000 On a fanny pack.
00:00:57.000 So boom!
00:00:58.000 Not just t-shirts, but now fanny packs!
00:01:01.000 A motherfucker's branching out.
00:01:03.000 See, there it is.
00:01:04.000 It's hard to see the logo, but it's a monkey with like a...
00:01:07.000 Whoever coined the term fanny pack really fucked everybody.
00:01:10.000 If it had been like survival pack, every dude would have one.
00:01:10.000 See, that's...
00:01:13.000 Like, oh dude, I got my new survival pack.
00:01:16.000 It's not a man purse, it's a survival pack.
00:01:19.000 No, dude, it's a fanny pack.
00:01:21.000 I don't mind saying it.
00:01:22.000 Put it on, lie down.
00:01:23.000 It's true strength that you're not worried about the definitions of others.
00:01:27.000 Some silly word.
00:01:29.000 These guys are giving me a hard time during this tour because I'm rocking a fanny pack.
00:01:32.000 Rock it strong.
00:01:33.000 No, not me.
00:01:34.000 It was my idea.
00:01:35.000 I would rock that one.
00:01:36.000 Rock it.
00:01:36.000 Rock it strong.
00:01:37.000 I like that survival pack.
00:01:40.000 It's all in the marketing.
00:01:41.000 It is.
00:01:42.000 Let's go.
00:01:43.000 It's your cock shield.
00:01:45.000 If an asteroid comes from the sky, it'll hit my fanny pack before it hits my dick.
00:01:50.000 Hopefully it'll deflect.
00:01:53.000 Deflect.
00:01:54.000 Listen, if something's falling out of the ass, it's going to burn through all of that fanny pack and your cock and your leg and the shit behind your neck.
00:02:03.000 Today's cell phones are very durable, my friend.
00:02:06.000 I think you're incorrect.
00:02:08.000 I think you're out of line.
00:02:09.000 You've done no studies.
00:02:13.000 Yeah, there's some fucking people that have survived, actually, rocks falling from the sky and hit it on them.
00:02:17.000 Strange enough, a lady got hit in the arm recently.
00:02:21.000 It went through her house and hit her arm.
00:02:23.000 You can get grazed.
00:02:25.000 Yeah, her arm.
00:02:26.000 Come on.
00:02:26.000 I mean, she didn't catch a dome shot, you know what I mean?
00:02:29.000 That would have been some whole other shit, you know?
00:02:31.000 Yeah, well, most likely you're gonna die if you get hit by something that falls from the sky.
00:02:35.000 The Donnie Darko jet falling out of the sky.
00:02:40.000 Yeah.
00:02:40.000 Engine.
00:02:41.000 Most likely.
00:02:42.000 If something falls from the sky, you're fucked.
00:02:44.000 But if it doesn't, and it hits your higher primate fanny pack, you might survive, son.
00:02:50.000 You might get through that shit alive.
00:02:52.000 Survival pack.
00:02:52.000 You might feel better.
00:02:53.000 Survival pack.
00:02:54.000 Survival pack.
00:02:55.000 Indeed.
00:02:56.000 Indeed.
00:02:56.000 Survival pack just sounds too phony, though.
00:02:59.000 Nah, you gotta put survival pack and then you gotta put like the Joe Rogan cock shield edition with like just like the metal plate on top of it.
00:03:07.000 I think it should just be implied.
00:03:09.000 Put like a metal plate on the top of the fucking training pack.
00:03:11.000 I don't think I should sell it as that.
00:03:11.000 The dude from Cameo, son?
00:03:13.000 C.S. I don't think I should sell it as bad though.
00:03:16.000 You should have a hole in it so you can play with your dick in your car keys.
00:03:20.000 So like Diner, like the movie Diner?
00:03:21.000 Remember when he got that girl?
00:03:23.000 Mickey Rourke got that girl to touch his dick by putting it through the popcorn?
00:03:26.000 Oh, that's an old school trick right there.
00:03:28.000 That might have been invented in that movie though.
00:03:30.000 I'm not sure.
00:03:32.000 Probably not.
00:03:33.000 When you think about all the perverts in the world, that shit's probably old.
00:03:36.000 Really old.
00:03:37.000 Jesus Christ.
00:03:39.000 Um...
00:03:40.000 Anyway, higherprimate.com.
00:03:42.000 It's dashprimate also.
00:03:44.000 Yeah, it's both now.
00:03:45.000 Oh, it is?
00:03:46.000 Oh, cool.
00:03:46.000 Now it's actually just higherprimate.com, too.
00:03:50.000 I bought that.
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00:04:01.000 Valentine's Day is one of those ones when, especially if you're just getting into a chick, man, you gotta respect that day.
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00:04:10.000 But, like, this shit, Valentine's Day, this is a big one, boys.
00:04:14.000 Yo, I did the best thing ever for Valentine's Day.
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00:05:13.000 Yeah, I even did the same day delivery.
00:05:15.000 I got off there in hours.
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00:05:18.000 Show spontaneity.
00:05:20.000 Girls like that.
00:05:22.000 Show a man who takes action and either goes to 1-800-Flowers.com or you can call 1-800-Flowers.
00:05:29.000 Either way.
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00:05:40.000 Enter J-R-E. Or call 1-800-Flowers and mention J-R-E. And get yourself some beautiful roses.
00:05:47.000 This one comes with a key that she could wear as a necklace later.
00:05:50.000 For what?
00:05:51.000 For her chastity belt?
00:05:53.000 How dare you?
00:05:54.000 No.
00:05:55.000 The roses are the key to her heart, sir.
00:05:58.000 No!
00:06:01.000 Spare me your piety.
00:06:02.000 Get the fuck out of here.
00:06:04.000 How rude.
00:06:05.000 I know where I am.
00:06:06.000 1-800-Flowers.com I know whose fucking office I'm in.
00:06:12.000 Get the fuck out of here.
00:06:14.000 That's 1-800-Flowers.com Joe, how'd you know the name of it?
00:06:18.000 Was that just a guess?
00:06:19.000 What?
00:06:20.000 That you knew the name of the actual bouquet is called Key to My Heart?
00:06:23.000 It's just a guess.
00:06:24.000 It's so obvious.
00:06:25.000 There's a key.
00:06:26.000 There's beautiful flowers.
00:06:27.000 That's the key to the woman's heart.
00:06:29.000 Oh, that's the actual name?
00:06:31.000 Yo, you are amazing.
00:06:33.000 I was a fan already, but now I'm amazed.
00:06:36.000 That's not a freestyle.
00:06:37.000 No, it's a total freestyle.
00:06:39.000 That was a luck.
00:06:40.000 I mean, it was total luck.
00:06:42.000 I had no idea what that was the name of it.
00:06:44.000 That was total luck.
00:06:45.000 Look, it's got a key.
00:06:45.000 Holy shit.
00:06:47.000 It's a bouquet.
00:06:47.000 I mean, what the fuck else is it?
00:06:49.000 That's what it's going to be called.
00:06:50.000 Trick guys into thinking that you are a penthouse pet of the month.
00:06:53.000 Listen, man, this ain't hard.
00:06:54.000 It's key.
00:06:55.000 Only you would know about that.
00:06:56.000 Most guys would not know that penthouse pets carry keys around their necks.
00:07:00.000 Holy shit.
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00:08:46.000 To a lawyer.
00:08:47.000 What's funny about that?
00:08:48.000 No, I'm just looking at this divorce.
00:08:49.000 This chick's like, I am so ready to get some more dick.
00:08:52.000 Oh, yeah.
00:08:52.000 Look at her.
00:08:52.000 That's exactly what she's saying.
00:08:54.000 Perfect picture.
00:08:55.000 Because she's a catch.
00:08:57.000 If you just found, well, just, you know, if you were like, so, what's your situation?
00:09:01.000 Well, just getting divorced right now, unfortunately.
00:09:04.000 I mean, fortunately, pow!
00:09:07.000 I'll be nice to you.
00:09:09.000 Come on, let's kiss.
00:09:12.000 Some guy fucked up, and look what he left behind.
00:09:15.000 299 divorce.
00:09:16.000 Something's gotta be wrong.
00:09:17.000 299. No, no, no, no, nothing wrong.
00:09:20.000 299. No, no, I mean a beautiful woman.
00:09:23.000 Maybe she's in a wheelchair.
00:09:23.000 Yeah.
00:09:24.000 Maybe somebody didn't fuck her correctly.
00:09:26.000 $12.99.
00:09:26.000 How about that?
00:09:27.000 Come on, man.
00:09:28.000 There's a lot of dudes out there that don't fuck their girlfriend correctly.
00:09:31.000 That's true.
00:09:31.000 Shit goes wrong.
00:09:32.000 You forget.
00:09:33.000 You start getting lazy, just going for the titty grab, and then right into sticking it in.
00:09:38.000 And then some...
00:09:39.000 I told you, you don't handle your business.
00:09:41.000 Somebody else will.
00:09:42.000 Well, you know, maybe it's just a guy that you...
00:09:44.000 She talks to at the gym.
00:09:47.000 He was just friendly.
00:09:48.000 He didn't even try to get my phone number.
00:09:50.000 I'd see him at the gym.
00:09:51.000 He was just friendly.
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00:10:08.000 Change that name.
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00:10:22.000 Son, for $5.95, dawg!
00:10:23.000 I think I should have had a hot chick.
00:10:25.000 I don't know.
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00:10:29.000 That's one thing that's real important.
00:10:31.000 If you're actually going through the paperwork already, yeah, maybe LegalZoom can help you out.
00:10:35.000 But if you just snuck under a fucking fence from Mexico, and you're like, scraped together $500.
00:10:42.000 That's the closest shit!
00:10:43.000 That's the only place to sneak under a fence.
00:10:45.000 It doesn't mean he's got to be Mexican.
00:10:45.000 Come on, man.
00:10:47.000 You can't sneak.
00:10:49.000 You're right.
00:10:49.000 It could be Afghani.
00:10:51.000 I mean, yo, they've been catching a lot of people that are not Mexican crossing to the Mexican border, bro.
00:10:57.000 I'm sure.
00:10:58.000 I would imagine.
00:10:59.000 Not that I would know, but I've been watching the news lately.
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00:11:53.000 Immortal Technique is here.
00:11:55.000 Let's get cracking.
00:11:59.000 The Joe Rogan Experience.
00:12:05.000 He's back, ladies and gentlemen, with the new posse, Mortal Technique.
00:12:09.000 The only guy, this was posted on my message board yesterday, this is the only guy that brought a posse to the podcast and they didn't suck.
00:12:16.000 Aw, thank you, man.
00:12:18.000 Because usually when you get posses, you'll have one cool dude and his friends who are annoying.
00:12:24.000 Right.
00:12:25.000 You know, that shit happens.
00:12:26.000 Nah, we're all soldiers here, man.
00:12:27.000 All my people's holding down.
00:12:28.000 This is my brother, Chino XL. Chino.
00:12:32.000 My man.
00:12:33.000 And that is my dude, Bobby Boutet.
00:12:35.000 Bobby.
00:12:36.000 It was just his birthday, so he's still recovering.
00:12:39.000 Ba-boom.
00:12:40.000 It's hard being on the road with these two guys.
00:12:42.000 I'm sure.
00:12:43.000 Especially because Bobby rocks a fanny pack.
00:12:48.000 The Soldier!
00:12:49.000 That's right, and I'm proud.
00:12:51.000 You'd be surprised how many wonders the fanny pack does for me.
00:12:54.000 Hey man, it's great at the airport.
00:12:56.000 Clip, drop it in that bag, pick it up at the other side.
00:12:59.000 Boom.
00:13:00.000 Done.
00:13:00.000 Survival pack.
00:13:01.000 Survival pack is too pretentious.
00:13:03.000 Surviving what?
00:13:04.000 How long are you going to survive?
00:13:06.000 What do you got?
00:13:06.000 Another 50 years left in you?
00:13:08.000 Come on, man.
00:13:09.000 You ain't surviving shit.
00:13:10.000 No one's surviving shit.
00:13:11.000 Maybe the get and buy pack.
00:13:13.000 Maybe the I exist now pack.
00:13:14.000 You know what?
00:13:15.000 It really should be called a groupie pack because you can just flip it around and keep all your personal items and never leave your...
00:13:21.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.
00:13:23.000 You're incriminating yourself.
00:13:24.000 I don't know.
00:13:25.000 You're incriminating me or anybody else.
00:13:27.000 I don't know what you meant by that, so we're just going to let that slide.
00:13:27.000 No, but just him.
00:13:30.000 All the men in the room said...
00:13:32.000 You're confusing the fuck out of me with that.
00:13:34.000 You got a little cocky on air.
00:13:35.000 That's what happened there, son.
00:13:36.000 You forgot where you were.
00:13:37.000 It's a survival pack.
00:13:38.000 It's part of the survival pack.
00:13:40.000 It works.
00:13:42.000 Survival.
00:13:43.000 That's like a douchey word though, right?
00:13:45.000 Like, you know, like survival.
00:13:45.000 Like survival.
00:13:47.000 Survivor man is cool, but like survival training, we're going through survival training.
00:13:52.000 Like, oh, come on, man.
00:13:53.000 What are you doing?
00:13:54.000 But I mean, look, there are people who really do that type of thing.
00:13:57.000 Like, my friend told me that there was some ex-military dude that he, like, trains executives on, like, this survival, like, vacation weekend.
00:14:06.000 And it's basically, like, for people that want to feel like they did something important.
00:14:10.000 So we take them out to, like, this, like, area in the countryside, and they run a bunch of obstacles, and they get them in shape for, like, you know, a week or two, and then bust their ass.
00:14:18.000 And then they call it, like, survival training.
00:14:20.000 But that's obviously not, like, real survival training.
00:14:23.000 I guess you have to jump out of, like, a parachute out of a fucking plane into, like, a wilderness area and then meet someone at a certain place, like, two weeks later.
00:14:31.000 Like, alright, go to, like, LZ1, like, you know, 15 miles away through, like...
00:14:39.000 Wolf dens and mountain ranges, forest, and who the fuck else knows?
00:14:45.000 You just can't take the 405 there.
00:14:47.000 You gotta walk, motherfucker.
00:14:48.000 That's a survival train.
00:14:49.000 They could be a real show like that, where they took a guy and just dropped him off Hunger Games style in the middle of the woods.
00:14:55.000 I'm kind of surprised they haven't done that yet.
00:14:57.000 That'd be kind of very interesting.
00:14:58.000 I would.
00:15:00.000 In Survivor, they do go and they have to get food and they do shit like that, but it's very different than taking one person and telling them that they have to make it across a forest and get to another side.
00:15:13.000 You know, I never really watched that show too often.
00:15:16.000 Were their lives ever really in danger on Survivor?
00:15:19.000 It's always endurance, really, more than survival because you know that there's a way out.
00:15:19.000 That's the point.
00:15:19.000 That's the point.
00:15:23.000 Let's take somebody who didn't even know this was going to happen at all and drop them there.
00:15:28.000 Yeah, well, those people that are on that show, you know, when you see that everybody gets by okay, and everybody's okay, they're not in danger because it's television.
00:15:38.000 No, they're in danger.
00:15:40.000 If you're in Bornea, or one of those places where they film Survivor Man, or Survivor, rather, you're in danger.
00:15:46.000 You're fucking for sure in danger.
00:15:47.000 There's a lot of shit out there.
00:15:48.000 Like, just because there's a bunch of cameras out there doesn't mean they're going to keep you safe.
00:15:51.000 Like, when we did Fear Factor, there was a lot of times we just got lucky.
00:15:56.000 Nobody got hurt, but it's just because we got lucky.
00:15:59.000 Like a rattlesnake?
00:16:00.000 No, like bulls.
00:16:01.000 They made people ride bulls.
00:16:03.000 That's just ridiculous.
00:16:04.000 Dude, they had a 90-pound girl.
00:16:05.000 I say they.
00:16:06.000 I'm distancing myself from the show.
00:16:08.000 Like he wasn't in there.
00:16:10.000 Put that little bitch on top of the bull.
00:16:12.000 If it was happening today, I swear to God, I would tell them not to do it.
00:16:16.000 I would tell the girl not to do it.
00:16:17.000 100%.
00:16:18.000 Like there was a guy that was like a crazy daredevil dude.
00:16:21.000 I would have said, you know, hey man, people have done it.
00:16:24.000 I know Donald Cerrone.
00:16:25.000 Donald Cerrone rides bulls.
00:16:26.000 Crazy fuck.
00:16:27.000 But for most people, it's a hair-raising proposition.
00:16:30.000 But for this little 98-pound girl, there's no way she's going to be able to hang on.
00:16:34.000 And these guys who were the stunt guys were like, don't worry about it.
00:16:37.000 These are stunt bulls.
00:16:38.000 They're less aggressive.
00:16:40.000 They're stunt bulls.
00:16:41.000 Yeah, but the bull doesn't know it's a fucking stunt bull.
00:16:41.000 Stunt bulls.
00:16:46.000 To the bull, he's a bull.
00:16:47.000 There's no stunt bulls in the bull world.
00:16:49.000 They don't have like, oh, well, you know, I'm just a stunt bull.
00:16:51.000 You know what I mean?
00:16:52.000 I'm not going to tear your ass up.
00:16:54.000 You know what I mean?
00:16:54.000 That's my brother over there.
00:16:55.000 Don't worry about the amount of dudes.
00:16:57.000 I'm going to show you who's boss, and then I won't stomp on your head.
00:17:00.000 No, they'll stomp on your fucking head.
00:17:01.000 They'll kick you in the face.
00:17:03.000 We just got lucky.
00:17:04.000 So, like, Survivor Man...
00:17:06.000 That guy's...
00:17:06.000 That's real shit.
00:17:08.000 Like, there's nothing fake about that show.
00:17:10.000 That's when that dude exists by himself, and, you know, he'll get to, like, a certain location.
00:17:15.000 They'll pick him up, like, in five days.
00:17:16.000 He even does them ten days sometimes.
00:17:18.000 But that's the guy that carries his own camera, right?
00:17:20.000 Yes.
00:17:20.000 Yeah.
00:17:21.000 That is 100% legit.
00:17:23.000 He's in danger.
00:17:24.000 He's in danger every show.
00:17:25.000 I think I've seen him super dehydrated one time.
00:17:27.000 It was really, really bad.
00:17:29.000 That motherfucker was in lion territory.
00:17:31.000 The survivor man.
00:17:33.000 The...
00:17:33.000 The survivor man or the show?
00:17:36.000 The survivor man.
00:17:37.000 I was making the comparison between the two of them.
00:17:39.000 Like that survivor show, they're still in danger.
00:17:42.000 You're still in danger.
00:17:43.000 You're doing a bunch of dangerous shit.
00:17:44.000 You're doing wild, aggressive shit.
00:17:46.000 But no more danger than anybody would be if you were camping.
00:17:50.000 You know?
00:17:51.000 When you're camping, you're doing dangerous shit.
00:17:52.000 It'd be different if it was like, Survivor Basra, or like, Survivor Mogadishu.
00:17:57.000 No, he does that though.
00:17:58.000 It'd be fucking crazy.
00:17:58.000 I mean, Survivor Man does.
00:17:59.000 Survivor Man probably does shit like that.
00:18:01.000 That dude went to Africa, and he slept a night in Africa, in this area where lions live, with a hot air balloon.
00:18:08.000 And his idea was, the idea for the show was, if you were in a hot air balloon and it ran out of gas and it fell somewhere, or the balloon got punctured or some shit and it fell somewhere, and you were trapped, how would you get by?
00:18:20.000 How would you get out of it?
00:18:21.000 So this guy went to fucking Africa, and that was all he had for shelter.
00:18:25.000 Was the basket that this fucking, this supposed hot air balloon had, and then the flamethrower to make the balloon inflate and go up.
00:18:34.000 You know, they hit that shh, the fire comes up, and the heat is what makes the balloon rise, and they drop it off when they want it to fall.
00:18:39.000 Well, he had that as well, and he was using that to keep the lions away, blowing fire at them, because when he would set it up on the ground, it was like a flamethrower.
00:18:49.000 Right.
00:18:49.000 Because when it's underneath the balloon, it's blowing this fire up into the inflated balloon.
00:18:55.000 But when it's on the ground, he's just shooting it at the lions.
00:18:57.000 And it's just him and a camera.
00:18:59.000 Him and a camera and some fucking lions.
00:19:01.000 And you hear in the background, you hear like...
00:19:08.000 Yeah, that's crazy.
00:19:09.000 But you know how that show's going to end, right?
00:19:11.000 It's just going to end with a still shot of him with a fucking camera on the ground and people picking out his innards.
00:19:17.000 Well, yeah, I think what they do is they know where he is by GPS location, and I guess he probably has a satellite phone.
00:19:24.000 Like, if everything went terribly wrong and he had a call, like if he breaks his leg or something like that, he'll just die.
00:19:29.000 I mean, he has to get medical help, so they must have some sort of a plan.
00:19:33.000 But he still, his life is in danger every step of the way.
00:19:37.000 Oh, I mean, when you see people that swim with sharks, for example.
00:19:40.000 That's the part that I say, okay, I did that with, like, baby sharks and with, like, sand sharks.
00:19:46.000 They have something at the Mall of America.
00:19:48.000 I went back with, like, my ex-girlfriend years and years and years ago.
00:19:52.000 It was cool, but when I see people who swim with, like, 10-foot sharks, 12-foot sharks, in, like, the wild, you know, where the shark doesn't know that you're a filmmaker.
00:20:02.000 It doesn't have any idea that this is for...
00:20:05.000 Discovery or anything else.
00:20:06.000 It's not a stunt shark.
00:20:07.000 Right.
00:20:08.000 It's not a stunt shark.
00:20:09.000 And they never will.
00:20:11.000 They don't understand anything.
00:20:12.000 All they know is what's in front of them, eat.
00:20:14.000 Eat what's in front of them.
00:20:16.000 We eat what they're used to eating.
00:20:17.000 There are some people that have, I don't know what it is, I don't know what they're doing, but they manage to not get killed.
00:20:24.000 I think if you get into the water, the shark doesn't see you as prey as much as it sees you if you're on the top of the water.
00:20:30.000 I think the top of the water is a big danger because people look like seals.
00:20:34.000 That's one thing.
00:20:36.000 When you're down in the water, I think you're more of a weird curiosity.
00:20:40.000 You look like a swimming monkey in the water.
00:20:42.000 Oh good, I'd get a snack.
00:20:44.000 It's hard to figure out probably what the fuck you are.
00:20:47.000 I think animals that are that stupid, they just sort of get by doing the same shit over and over and over again.
00:20:53.000 And for sharks, it's like, look for seals, boom!
00:20:55.000 Look for seals, boom!
00:20:56.000 Look for seals, whoa, what the fuck is this?
00:20:59.000 Surfboard.
00:21:00.000 This tastes terrible.
00:21:02.000 This tastes like Arby's.
00:21:03.000 Get this fucking guy out of my mouth.
00:21:06.000 But if you look at them, man, you look at their black, dead eyes, and you look at their body is just designed to just chew.
00:21:14.000 There's not a lot of thinking going on.
00:21:15.000 We had this conversation earlier about what it means to be a hunter.
00:21:19.000 But wouldn't it be hunting, really, if you were in a rowboat with a harpoon going after one of them and not in a giant vessel shooting at them with a high-powered rifle?
00:21:29.000 Well, if you were in a little boat, you're going to die.
00:21:32.000 You're not going to beat a great white shark with a harpoon.
00:21:34.000 All right.
00:21:35.000 You want to get extreme right now.
00:21:36.000 I don't mean a great white shark.
00:21:38.000 A shark that's big?
00:21:40.000 Like a tiger shark.
00:21:41.000 I guess maybe like a six footer if you're really good with a spear.
00:21:45.000 You gotta get like four or five of them.
00:21:46.000 But if he flips you in the water, man, most likely you're fucked.
00:21:49.000 It depends on what kind of boat you're on.
00:21:51.000 If you're in their element, I think they have an advantage.
00:21:53.000 That's a cheating thing anyway.
00:21:54.000 If you're in a boat, you're cheating.
00:21:55.000 If you have anything.
00:21:56.000 If you have anything.
00:21:58.000 It's actually cheating.
00:21:59.000 They're looking at you like, drop all those weapons and just go flesh to flesh.
00:22:02.000 Yeah, you got no chance.
00:22:03.000 Yeah, but we don't have teeth like y'all niggas.
00:22:05.000 But we do have hands.
00:22:06.000 Yeah, that doesn't help.
00:22:07.000 That they're gonna eat.
00:22:09.000 The shark skin, though, is when you feel it, when you rub it one way, it's like completely rough and it'll cut your skin.
00:22:17.000 And then when you go from back to front, it's completely, absolutely silky smooth.
00:22:22.000 You know, when we were little kids, we had like a dissection program.
00:22:25.000 And the last thing that we did was like...
00:22:27.000 Third grade or something.
00:22:29.000 But they cut open a shark, and we had to take its kids out, like its children.
00:22:32.000 And when you felt the shark, they said, watch.
00:22:35.000 And the science teacher rubbed his hand, nose to the back, and his hand was cut open.
00:22:40.000 And he said that what the normal sharks do is they just swim through a school of fish, and since their skin's built like that, whatever they touch, they cut.
00:22:48.000 And then on the second loop around, they can smell the blood, or they can see one of the fishes that they've cut and go through it.
00:22:54.000 Crazy.
00:22:55.000 If you touch a shark from back to front, it's totally silky smooth.
00:23:00.000 Wow, that's weird.
00:23:01.000 Why would it be silky smooth that way?
00:23:03.000 That seems strange.
00:23:04.000 What benefit would that be?
00:23:05.000 It's just like a jagged sort of thing.
00:23:08.000 I have no idea.
00:23:09.000 I wonder if they can pull it in and pull it out.
00:23:11.000 Maybe.
00:23:12.000 There must be some mechanism.
00:23:14.000 All I know is that...
00:23:18.000 I don't want to get rubbed up by them.
00:23:21.000 I don't want them to pull anything in or pull anything out on me.
00:23:25.000 I ain't getting in the water with sharks, plain and simple.
00:23:27.000 I mean, come.
00:23:28.000 Well, there's a big issue now in Australia, you know, because they're culling the sharks.
00:23:32.000 They're killing a lot of great whites because they've had so many people die recently.
00:23:36.000 They're just like, enough is enough.
00:23:37.000 Too many people are getting attacked by sharks.
00:23:39.000 They're like, we've got to kill some of these fucking sharks.
00:23:40.000 And a lot of people think it's a bad idea.
00:23:43.000 Those people are assholes.
00:23:45.000 Fucking crazy assholes.
00:23:46.000 No, it's not a bad idea.
00:23:48.000 Are the sharks killing people?
00:23:49.000 Well, you know what is their water?
00:23:49.000 Yeah.
00:23:52.000 Our planet.
00:23:52.000 Wrong.
00:23:54.000 Suck it.
00:23:55.000 If there's a bunch of sharks out there that are killing people, it's time to start killing sharks.
00:24:00.000 Period.
00:24:02.000 Anybody who wants to argue is fucking anti-American?
00:24:05.000 And what if they...
00:24:07.000 I don't care if it's going on in Australia.
00:24:10.000 They support terrorism?
00:24:11.000 Is that what goes on, Joe?
00:24:12.000 If you're not wanting to kill a shark?
00:24:14.000 You're down with the enemy.
00:24:16.000 That's the ultimate.
00:24:17.000 Not the NSA. That's not our ultimate enemy.
00:24:19.000 Our ultimate enemy are fucking sharks.
00:24:21.000 You know, it's funny.
00:24:22.000 With all the shit that they listen to, I'm always surprised that we still have old kidnapping, serial killers.
00:24:30.000 You figured if they were tapping everybody's phone, they could find...
00:24:34.000 Anybody that they wanted.
00:24:35.000 Yeah, they would look at everybody's phone.
00:24:36.000 I just killed my seventh hooker, LOL. You know, like, look at this motherfucker just texted his friend.
00:24:41.000 Who knows, dude?
00:24:44.000 Someone's going to slip up.
00:24:45.000 Oh, well, they most certainly have.
00:24:47.000 I'm sure they've used it.
00:24:49.000 I mean, if it's been around as long as they say it's been around...
00:24:51.000 When you hear about the actual coding of the NSA software and how they first started doing it, there was a guy, the original NSA whistleblower.
00:24:59.000 I should pull this guy up and give him his props because it's a pretty fascinating story.
00:25:03.000 Because he was a whistleblower a long time ago, and he was the guy that was responsible for making the software.
00:25:11.000 And when he was making the software, he was telling everybody, like, hey, you can't use this to just spy on everybody.
00:25:18.000 So he started doing all these interviews.
00:25:20.000 It was before Edward Snowden.
00:25:23.000 So everybody thinks of Edward Snowden as the original NSA whistleblower.
00:25:27.000 But there was another guy before that.
00:25:29.000 There was another guy in 2002, I believe, he came out.
00:25:34.000 And, yeah, here it is.
00:25:36.000 Bill Binney.
00:25:38.000 And this fucking guy told people about this a long time ago.
00:25:43.000 There's a story of it on YouTube on the RT America channel.
00:25:47.000 That's Bill Binney, B-I-N-N-E-Y. And he was a U.S. intelligence official.
00:25:53.000 And he worked for the NSA. And he turned into a whistleblower.
00:25:57.000 In October 31st, 2001, after more than 30 years with the agency, he was a high-profile critic of his former employers during the George W. Bush administration, and was subject to FBI investigations, of course, including a raid on his home,
00:26:13.000 of course.
00:26:14.000 Fucking thugs.
00:26:15.000 Where is he doing time now?
00:26:16.000 He's not.
00:26:17.000 He's not doing time.
00:26:18.000 That's what's crazy.
00:26:19.000 Where is he?
00:26:19.000 Because he called this before they did it, whereas Edward Snowden...
00:26:24.000 Called it while it was happening.
00:26:26.000 So Edward Snowden got in trouble.
00:26:27.000 This guy was predicting the future.
00:26:29.000 And he was saying that when he found out that they were able to spy on everyone, and that they were using this system, the system that was initially called Trailblazer, and it was a system intended to analyze data carried on communications networks,
00:26:45.000 such as the Internet.
00:26:47.000 Including social networks.
00:26:48.000 Yes, and he found out that they were starting to do it to everybody.
00:26:54.000 And he called.
00:26:55.000 He said, that's their plan.
00:26:56.000 Their plan is to monitor every email, every phone call.
00:26:58.000 And he said, the guy, you know, he said, look, this is un-American.
00:27:01.000 And the guy stuck his neck out there.
00:27:02.000 He got away with it, though.
00:27:04.000 It's really interesting.
00:27:05.000 Because he just predicted it, And, you know, he wasn't actually talking about something that had happened, but he got out of the NSA and said, this is going on.
00:27:14.000 You know what's crazy?
00:27:15.000 For the first couple of years of me making music, people used to call me a conspiracy theorist.
00:27:20.000 And I always used to laugh, and I'd be like, alright, well, let's play it down.
00:27:24.000 Let's encyclopedia brown this bitch right now, and tell me, what is my conspiracy?
00:27:28.000 That the government spies on you?
00:27:30.000 I was right about that.
00:27:31.000 You know, I released a record talking about how, you know, we're going to war for false reasons.
00:27:36.000 This is a false premise to be in war.
00:27:38.000 Okay, well we found out there are no weapons of mass destruction.
00:27:41.000 I never said that Bush was directly responsible for 9-11.
00:27:44.000 I said that I never believed the government's version because they couldn't even tell the truth about the air to breathe.
00:27:48.000 I always felt like the story was incomplete.
00:27:51.000 What's the conspiracy theory?
00:27:53.000 That's absolutely fucking true now.
00:27:54.000 We find out that there are layers upon layers upon layers of what's going on in the world.
00:27:59.000 I said that the government itself was involved in a drug trade in Peruvian cocaine, so people said, oh my god, how can you use this conspiracy theory?
00:28:07.000 Really?
00:28:08.000 And now we find out that they protect certain Mexican cartels as long as they sell out to other homies.
00:28:13.000 The absolute truth of the drug game here in America is they don't go after the little fish to get the big fish.
00:28:20.000 You know what I mean?
00:28:21.000 They want the big fish so they can rat out all the little fish and they can all spend time in jail because only the main dude has the $10 million attorney.
00:28:29.000 So, I mean, I don't blame this guy for just being fed up and saying, hey man, this is exactly what's going on or what's going to go on in the future.
00:28:36.000 I'm just surprised.
00:28:37.000 That somebody hasn't found a way to give him cancer or some shit and kill him off in a way that doesn't raise that much suspicion.
00:28:44.000 Well, like I said, he did it so long ago before it ever became a public issue that he quit in 2001. And that's when he started talking and doing all these interviews.
00:28:55.000 You know what it is, man?
00:28:56.000 Was it pre-9-11, 2001?
00:28:57.000 No, no.
00:28:58.000 Post-9-11 is when he quit.
00:29:00.000 Look, the dude is essentially, I mean, he's a real patriot.
00:29:04.000 That's what he is.
00:29:05.000 He's a guy who is working in the office.
00:29:08.000 He's working for the defense of the country in the right way.
00:29:11.000 I mean, that's what he's doing.
00:29:13.000 He wants there to be, like...
00:29:17.000 He wants there to be protection of rights as well, though.
00:29:20.000 He wants us to be able to go after terrorists, but he doesn't think the government should be able to just willy-nilly look into everybody's fucking emails.
00:29:27.000 But the government shouldn't become a terrorist in the process of going after terrorists.
00:29:33.000 Exactly!
00:29:33.000 If you're torturing random people, In order to do that, then you are becoming the terrorists themselves.
00:29:39.000 And then there's no distinction, really, because one is a hidden danger that people are terrified of, and the other one is exactly the same thing, a hidden danger that people are terrified from.
00:29:49.000 Someone in power says, you know what, I don't like this guy.
00:29:53.000 I don't like Rogan.
00:29:54.000 You know, he's talking about the ATF. That's my business.
00:29:56.000 You know what?
00:29:57.000 I want you guys to ruin his fucking life.
00:29:59.000 I want you to go after him.
00:30:00.000 You know, it...
00:30:01.000 Well, it's been proven that they do that with the IRS. Right.
00:30:03.000 They use the IRS to go after political enemies.
00:30:06.000 I mean, there are a lot of fucking heads rolled because of that shit.
00:30:08.000 Because it got public.
00:30:12.000 There's a lot of no-nonsense people out there.
00:30:14.000 That's the real issue.
00:30:15.000 There's a lot of people like, oh, you believe in Bigfoot?
00:30:18.000 You believe in conspiracy theories?
00:30:20.000 What do you think?
00:30:21.000 The government's out to get you?
00:30:22.000 There's a lot of these people that like to pretend that it's foolish to think that the government is involved in anything shady ever.
00:30:30.000 That they're always above ground.
00:30:31.000 They have too much power.
00:30:33.000 Whenever you get groups of people that have that much power, when you have essentially the power to create laws, The power to go in to the very laws that were established in the beginning of this nation and change them so that you can get away with shit that would ordinarily be illegal.
00:30:50.000 All those things are only done by people who have too much power.
00:30:54.000 They're never things that people vote on.
00:30:56.000 The people never vote to give themselves less rights.
00:30:59.000 The people never vote to give more trust in the government.
00:31:01.000 The government just sort of takes it, slowly but surely.
00:31:04.000 And the best way to take it is to tell you there's a bunch of enemies they have to protect you from.
00:31:08.000 It's a timeless, age-old trick.
00:31:10.000 And the idea that that's a conspiracy theory is ignoring all of human history from the jump.
00:31:18.000 Everything ever done by people with guns, swords, or arrows.
00:31:23.000 Everything ever done was done with deception.
00:31:25.000 It was done by establishing enemies and protecting you from those enemies.
00:31:29.000 They're timeless techniques.
00:31:31.000 The idea that the greatest government...
00:31:33.000 Yeah, that we would stop doing that in 2014. That after all they've learned, after all these years, they go, you know what, all that time-tested shit, we're going to set it aside and we're going to be ethical.
00:31:44.000 We're going to be the ethical domineers of the world.
00:31:47.000 Because Obama's in office, now we're going to be ethical.
00:31:49.000 But there were people who believed in this fairytale.
00:31:51.000 I did.
00:31:52.000 I wanted to.
00:31:53.000 I wanted that guy to get in and go, gotcha, bitches!
00:31:57.000 I was a fucking child of a single mom.
00:32:00.000 I smoked weed.
00:32:02.000 I was there, I remember in Harlem when he was elected, and it was like pandemonium.
00:32:08.000 I shit you not.
00:32:09.000 It just so happened that they were moving like a subway car.
00:32:12.000 A pretty big deal.
00:32:13.000 People usually don't see them in the street.
00:32:15.000 But they were moving a subway car via like a tractor trailer.
00:32:19.000 And they were moving it through 125th from one side to another.
00:32:23.000 And they had a jumbotron set up by like the state building.
00:32:26.000 And he gave his address.
00:32:27.000 And there were like 100,000 people in the street right there.
00:32:32.000 And they followed the procession of the subway.
00:32:34.000 I saw an old lady get out her car and start dancing.
00:32:38.000 You know what I mean?
00:32:39.000 And she was just like, look, and she must have been like 80 years old.
00:32:42.000 And I was like, yo, ma, grandma, you see, so happy.
00:32:46.000 She's like, you know, you got to understand, I grew up in a time where people looked at me like I wasn't a fucking human being.
00:32:53.000 You know what I mean?
00:32:54.000 And to see that...
00:32:55.000 I mean, look, I always discuss these...
00:32:58.000 These variations of oppression.
00:33:00.000 Because people try to liken what happens to Africans and Native Americans to other struggles and other people being oppressed.
00:33:07.000 But you know what?
00:33:08.000 You can't...
00:33:10.000 No one ever tried to, for example, kill somebody else from another group because they knew how to read.
00:33:18.000 You know what I mean?
00:33:19.000 These things were specifically done to a people to try and take away from the legitimacy that they have to dehumanize because that's the only way to really do something that negative to someone.
00:33:30.000 You have to find some sort of different way to define them as a person so that then you can justify it, not just to yourself, but to other groups of people.
00:33:39.000 You know, normal people won't be like, hey man, I'm just going to kill this person and take their land and their gold and their oil or whatever it is.
00:33:45.000 But now it's like, oh my God, no, these people and the way they are are wicked and their wickedness is going to spread to the rest of us so much.
00:33:53.000 Well, we have belief systems, man.
00:33:55.000 And belief systems, once they're in place, they can be really scary.
00:33:59.000 You know, if you have a belief system that this group that you're going after are all evil and God is on your side and they need to be smitten from the earth, if you have that belief system.
00:34:09.000 God on your side.
00:34:10.000 Yeah, there's a lot of that.
00:34:11.000 God on your side.
00:34:11.000 That's the other one.
00:34:12.000 And that's what I think turns a lot of people off about religion.
00:34:15.000 It's not, there's no personal response.
00:34:17.000 As much as, you know, the right-wingers that are religious scream about, oh, we want people in the ghetto to have personal, why don't you take some personal responsibility?
00:34:26.000 You know, and don't put it on God.
00:34:28.000 Put it on you.
00:34:29.000 You feel uncomfortable with this being this way.
00:34:31.000 Or you don't like these people for some reason.
00:34:34.000 Or maybe you've actually done the history and you know that these people have a legitimate reason to be unhappy with this government or know that they've been treated unfairly in some way, shape, or form.
00:34:42.000 And I think there's a difference between being angry and having holy anger and having a righteous anger.
00:34:49.000 And being angry for a reason, not just being upset and feeling like you're quote-unquote the victim, but technically looking at a situation and saying, no, I was treated unfairly.
00:34:58.000 And you know what?
00:34:59.000 I was taken advantage of.
00:35:00.000 And I think from the time that people have been a caveman to, you know, tomorrow, all anger comes from being treated unfairly.
00:35:07.000 Or the perception that you're treated unfairly.
00:35:10.000 Anything.
00:35:10.000 Lied to?
00:35:11.000 You treated me unfairly.
00:35:12.000 You told someone else the truth, but you told me a lie.
00:35:15.000 You know, you stole from me.
00:35:16.000 You treated me unfairly.
00:35:17.000 I let you into my house.
00:35:18.000 I protected you.
00:35:19.000 And you fucking repaid me by robbing me.
00:35:21.000 All of that comes back to it.
00:35:23.000 And I just think that if this government is even going to survive...
00:35:27.000 It really has to address the amount of cynicism that exists in America right now.
00:35:30.000 Because that was the whole point I thought of Obama coming in.
00:35:33.000 The idea that people were so cynical about a government under Bush that they saw McCain as an extension to that.
00:35:39.000 They were like, oh my god, again?
00:35:41.000 Well, who are we going to go to war with now?
00:35:41.000 Another one?
00:35:43.000 But then when he came in, he was supposed to be, you know, the great unifier.
00:35:47.000 But he turned into...
00:35:49.000 A great pacifier.
00:35:50.000 He was just like, okay, cool.
00:35:52.000 Everything's gonna be good.
00:35:53.000 I'm gonna intellectualize all of this and make it seem rational, you know, so I'll get away with a whole bunch of shit that if Mitt Romney had been elected or if McCain had been elected and done the exact same shit that he did.
00:36:07.000 They would have gone crazy.
00:36:08.000 Where are the people that were marching on Washington to go against the war?
00:36:12.000 Where are they now?
00:36:13.000 That's why, you know, I keep it real, Rogan.
00:36:15.000 I do a lot of activism.
00:36:16.000 We did a show yesterday to raise money for people that were victims of that typhoon in the Philippines, you know, and it's going straight to them because they're working with grassroots organizations.
00:36:25.000 But a lot of times when I see these big activist groups and they come up to me and I'm just like, yo, where the fuck are you now?
00:36:31.000 You know, you were all waving your flag, you know, when it was the Bush era.
00:36:34.000 Mm-hmm.
00:36:34.000 But now that Obama's in power, you don't want to make any waves.
00:36:37.000 You know, now I see you people on MSNBC, you're advocating a war in Syria.
00:36:41.000 You don't even know what the fuck is going on, you know?
00:36:44.000 You don't know anything about the history of that struggle.
00:36:46.000 You don't know anything about the...
00:36:49.000 The idea of what's gonna actually happen once they get attacked and they have to call their client...
00:36:54.000 I mean, they're a client state of Russia.
00:36:55.000 They're a vassal of Russia now.
00:36:57.000 They basically sold themselves off because of the chemical weapons thing.
00:37:01.000 They said, alright, we'll give you the chemical weapons.
00:37:03.000 Then you and the UN will deal with that personally.
00:37:05.000 It enables them to say, alright, we're gonna be partners forever and ever.
00:37:09.000 As long as Russia exists, Syria will be here.
00:37:11.000 And that's the deal that they had to make.
00:37:13.000 And there are plenty of people who made that deal with America.
00:37:16.000 As long as they exist, man, we'll be good.
00:37:18.000 But as soon as America is in danger, guess what?
00:37:21.000 My ass is in danger too.
00:37:23.000 There are plenty of places like Guam.
00:37:26.000 America holds on to Puerto Rico like it's balls.
00:37:29.000 Israel.
00:37:30.000 I'll tell you right now.
00:37:31.000 Puerto Rico is one of the weirdest ones, right?
00:37:32.000 Because it's sort of a state, but not really a state.
00:37:35.000 It's a commonwealth, right?
00:37:36.000 It received a charter of independence from Spain in like 1898. Exploded.
00:37:48.000 But when people did research, you know, decades later, they found out the ship imploded.
00:37:52.000 It exploded from the inside.
00:37:54.000 And ironically, here's another interesting tidbit.
00:37:57.000 All of the white officers were on the land when the ship exploded.
00:38:00.000 And the only people on the ship were, like, the deckhands and the people of color.
00:38:04.000 Are you implying that someone in the government blew up that ship, sir?
00:38:09.000 Because that shit's never happened before.
00:38:10.000 Remember the USS Maine!
00:38:12.000 Excuse me, that's never even been planned.
00:38:15.000 There's a lot of people that feel that the Bush administration had planned a false flag on Iran, but that's false.
00:38:22.000 Because the Bush administration was awesome, and if they did plan it, it would have happened.
00:38:28.000 So you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
00:38:30.000 They were perfect.
00:38:31.000 They had God on their side.
00:38:33.000 God on their side.
00:38:34.000 Yo, I swear to God, there's so many times when I've seen people, like when I go to colleges, and there's some preacher dude, like in front of the college, arguing with the atheists.
00:38:44.000 And I always ask him, I'm like, yo dude, do you believe in the president?
00:38:48.000 And he's like, I absolutely support President Bush.
00:38:51.000 I was like, what would he have to do to lose your support?
00:38:55.000 What sort of things would he have to abuse?
00:38:57.000 Could he kill someone and still gain your support?
00:38:59.000 And the guy was like, well, that depends who.
00:39:03.000 And I'm just like...
00:39:04.000 Wait a minute, dude.
00:39:05.000 What do you mean?
00:39:06.000 It depends who.
00:39:07.000 If he ordered the deaths of some people overseas who aren't Christians, he's forgiven.
00:39:11.000 But if he, like, shot someone next door who he went to church with, he should burn in hell forever.
00:39:18.000 I mean, at that point, I think the selective morality is what bothers a lot of people about religion in general.
00:39:23.000 It's just like, okay, cool.
00:39:25.000 I'm only going to care about the lives of certain human beings because they share this same belief system of mine.
00:39:31.000 But the moment that you don't, then I feel so threatened by your existence that I don't care if your children live or die.
00:39:38.000 Well, you heard the latest revelations about the NSA that they were ordering drone strikes based on metadata.
00:39:45.000 They were ordering drone stripes based on GPS location of phones that they were tracking so they might not have even known that the guy that they were looking for was inside the building and they just randomly targeted buildings where these phones existed.
00:40:00.000 You know, if that's true, that means they just said, okay, well, we're going to have to kill a whole bunch of fucking people to get this phone.
00:40:07.000 This phone?
00:40:08.000 He may not even be a...
00:40:09.000 He'll hold my phone today, man.
00:40:11.000 Yeah, the whole thing...
00:40:14.000 Here, I'll pull it up.
00:40:15.000 Because they did a story of it on RT. Yeah, use of NSA metadata to find drone target kills.
00:40:23.000 That's crazy.
00:40:25.000 Kill civilians.
00:40:26.000 They would find these...
00:40:28.000 I mean, this is really hard to believe, but they would find these people by the location of their phone and then send in the missiles.
00:40:36.000 That's evil shit, man.
00:40:38.000 That's really evil shit.
00:40:39.000 And I know there's bad people in the world, for sure, but that is not in any way, shape, or form the way to handle it.
00:40:47.000 There's got to be a better way to kill people.
00:40:50.000 This is crazy.
00:40:51.000 If there's bad people that you have to kill, you can't just kill everybody around them.
00:40:55.000 Right.
00:40:55.000 That shit's crazy.
00:40:56.000 You'll turn everybody against you, A. Well, I'm against you.
00:40:59.000 We should all be against you.
00:41:01.000 You're a murderer.
00:41:01.000 It's murder.
00:41:02.000 You're just murdering people in a way that is sanctioned.
00:41:05.000 But...
00:41:06.000 You know what strikes me about that is that this government has no problem doing that anyway.
00:41:10.000 They call it collateral damage.
00:41:12.000 They say, okay, you know what?
00:41:13.000 We have a military target.
00:41:15.000 It happens to be near a school.
00:41:17.000 You know what?
00:41:19.000 That's collateral damage.
00:41:20.000 Anybody could even think about doing something like this, though.
00:41:23.000 With the metadata, that's insane, extreme collateral damage.
00:41:26.000 It's insane.
00:41:28.000 That's how they feel about it.
00:41:29.000 Glenn Greenwald is the guy who put this out.
00:41:34.000 I like that guy.
00:41:35.000 I like him, too.
00:41:37.000 My friend Sam Harris hates his guts, though.
00:41:39.000 Why?
00:41:40.000 He thinks Sam Harris is anti-Islam.
00:41:44.000 Sam Harris is a neuroscientist, is an author, and he's a pretty strong proponent of atheism.
00:41:51.000 And this guy, Greenwald, thinks that he's got an anti-Muslim agenda, anti-Islam agenda.
00:41:59.000 You know what's interesting?
00:42:00.000 I had this discussion with somebody about atheism and their way of dealing with Different cultures and societies.
00:42:08.000 You can totally be an atheist and be racist.
00:42:11.000 It's like being, you know, you could be a feminist and you could be racist.
00:42:14.000 That's ridiculous to think that those two things can't coexist in the same being.
00:42:18.000 My thing is this, when I hear people like Darwin, sorry, Richard Dawkins and people who are Darwinists have conversations, what's interesting to me is the level of civilization that they'll attribute to, like...
00:42:32.000 White Christian society.
00:42:33.000 Even though they'll say it's barbaric, it's still not as barbaric as those dark brown people's cultures because they're even more dangerous.
00:42:41.000 My thing is this.
00:42:44.000 It's like if someone says Allah Akbar before they go into war and that is...
00:42:50.000 The benchmark to say that this is, you know, a religious killing.
00:42:54.000 Then what about all the soldiers of America who say the Lord's Prayer before they go into combat?
00:42:59.000 Isn't that interpreted as, oh man, Jesus, help me kill these motherfuckers.
00:43:03.000 Then you're making a sacrifice.
00:43:03.000 Really?
00:43:05.000 Then is Christ a blood god to you or is it a god of peace?
00:43:08.000 That's the question that I have to ask.
00:43:10.000 And that is the part where You know, when I speak to people who are atheists who don't believe in theism and stuff like that, you have to separate that from actual historians and people who have studied the history of religion and the history of different cultures and societies to say, which one is more so-called civil to one another?
00:43:27.000 Because I think we've fallen to this idea of the civilized savage.
00:43:31.000 You know, the idea that certain cultures brought civilization to other people.
00:43:35.000 Nobody ever brought civilization to anybody.
00:43:38.000 Civilization is the act of being civil to one another.
00:43:40.000 When you take somebody else's shit and then you say, oh, guess what?
00:43:44.000 You're going to use our way of doing things now rather than yours.
00:43:46.000 You didn't civilize anybody.
00:43:48.000 You just took them over and you enslaved them in a very polite way sometimes.
00:43:52.000 And sometimes in a not so very polite way.
00:43:54.000 Because colonization is too nice of a word for rape, genocide, and fucking...
00:43:59.000 Yeah, has it ever been nice?
00:44:01.000 Has anybody ever taken over a country nice?
00:44:03.000 It's always not so nice.
00:44:05.000 I mean, the horrors that happen in this country alone, it's hard to believe that just a couple hundred years ago all this stuff wasn't here.
00:44:12.000 I mean, a couple hundred years ago is nothing.
00:44:14.000 It's a blink of an eye.
00:44:16.000 Well, that's what we used to get into arguments.
00:44:18.000 We may have talked about this on the first show when people were like, oh, you know, the aliens had to help those people back in the day.
00:44:24.000 And I was like, yo, dude, if they helped them...
00:44:27.000 You know, for over the course of 10,000 years, build a pyramid?
00:44:30.000 Then maybe they helped you, because about 200 years ago, you were driving a horse and carriage, and now you got a rover on Mars.
00:44:37.000 So you got a little boost, too, from the aliens, buddy.
00:44:40.000 You know what I mean?
00:44:40.000 I think that it's just ridiculous to assume one culture...
00:44:48.000 Well, if it is possible that we were ever visited by aliens, who knows?
00:44:53.000 Maybe it takes a long fucking time to get here.
00:44:55.000 Maybe they can only come here once or twice in a generation ever.
00:44:58.000 I don't know.
00:44:59.000 They set up shop here, dude.
00:45:00.000 But if that's the case, wouldn't there be levels of aliens just like there's levels of human civilization?
00:45:06.000 Like human civilization goes from having a horse and buggy to having a car to having an airplane.
00:45:11.000 Wouldn't alien civilization go from there too?
00:45:12.000 Maybe some of them reach us and these are like the real ghetto aliens that are barely getting their shit together out there in the world.
00:45:19.000 They don't have any fucking free-digit civilization.
00:45:21.000 A big homie alien comes like, what are you doing?
00:45:23.000 Very sketchy science.
00:45:24.000 They fucking blow up sometimes.
00:45:26.000 Those are the guys who crashed at Roswell.
00:45:28.000 They're more advanced than us, but they're still kind of fucked up.
00:45:31.000 And then there's dudes that are so far advanced than them that they make them look like cave people.
00:45:36.000 And these people no longer have bodies, and they travel interdimensionally, and they exist in the universe.
00:45:42.000 That's what I think.
00:45:43.000 It's like a hit too.
00:45:44.000 There's no saying like what dimension they're in, you know what I mean?
00:45:48.000 Or how our eyes are calibrated, what we can or can't see.
00:45:52.000 I used to be real attracted to the idea that aliens came and helped people.
00:45:56.000 I was very, very attracted to the idea.
00:45:58.000 And I'm still attracted to it because I think it'd be insanely fascinating because it really follows what human beings would do if we were super advanced and we came to a planet and we found some primitive life forms.
00:46:08.000 For sure we would drop off some of our fucking jizz.
00:46:11.000 We would definitely give them some of our DNA. We're gross.
00:46:14.000 We thought we could, you know, touch this world in some way.
00:46:17.000 We've decided to do that to Mars.
00:46:17.000 It's true.
00:46:19.000 He did fuck the Avatar, didn't he?
00:46:21.000 He fucked that big blue cat.
00:46:21.000 Yes.
00:46:23.000 Think about what we're talking about doing to Mars.
00:46:25.000 Is that bestiality?
00:46:26.000 Hold on.
00:46:27.000 It's interspecies sex.
00:46:28.000 Let's ask the people.
00:46:29.000 It's not bestiality because they talk.
00:46:31.000 It's just you're fucking an alien.
00:46:32.000 No, no, no.
00:46:33.000 It's not bestiality.
00:46:33.000 I don't know.
00:46:34.000 It's not bestiality, is it?
00:46:34.000 It's interspecies.
00:46:35.000 It's cool to fuck aliens, man.
00:46:37.000 She may be a humanoid, but she's a fucking beast.
00:46:39.000 We're calling her an animal.
00:46:41.000 We don't know what her phylum would be.
00:46:42.000 She's not an animal.
00:46:42.000 She talks.
00:46:43.000 We established that shit back in Star Trek when Kirk fucked that green chick.
00:46:43.000 Right.
00:46:47.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.
00:46:47.000 Remember that?
00:46:48.000 That was it.
00:46:49.000 It's precedent.
00:46:50.000 It's legal precedent.
00:46:51.000 She didn't have a tail.
00:46:52.000 The girl didn't have a tail.
00:46:53.000 I don't give a fuck, dude.
00:46:54.000 She had like a nose like a cat, dude.
00:46:56.000 Bitch was hot.
00:46:57.000 I'd fuck that avatar, bitch.
00:46:57.000 You would fuck her?
00:46:59.000 Really?
00:46:59.000 I respect that.
00:47:00.000 Yeah, by the end of the movie, I wanted to live with the Na'vi.
00:47:03.000 I respect that.
00:47:04.000 I wanted to be in the trees.
00:47:05.000 I wanted to be camping and shooting arrows and flying dinosaurs.
00:47:08.000 So we're taking a consensus on JRE that fucking a...
00:47:13.000 Ten foot tall cat bitch is not bestiality.
00:47:17.000 What about the Planet of the Apes when they cut the scene?
00:47:19.000 There's supposed to be the Marky Mark version joint.
00:47:21.000 There's supposed to be a scene where he was having sex with the ape.
00:47:24.000 Yeah, dude, they filmed it.
00:47:24.000 No.
00:47:25.000 What?
00:47:26.000 And they were saying, is it bestiality?
00:47:28.000 Is it wrong to be interspecies?
00:47:32.000 You know what I'm saying?
00:47:33.000 Yeah.
00:47:34.000 Listen, I think it's okay to fuck hot aliens.
00:47:36.000 I'm going to say it right now.
00:47:37.000 If a hot alien comes to visit me in the middle of the night, if I get away with it, I'm going to fuck her.
00:47:41.000 I respect that.
00:47:42.000 I'm not mad at that.
00:47:43.000 What if it's not a her?
00:47:45.000 We know it's a her.
00:47:48.000 But what if their he's look like hers and their hers look like he's?
00:47:52.000 It's a topsy-turvy world down under.
00:47:54.000 Oh, man.
00:47:55.000 What if the intonation, everything was perfect, right?
00:47:58.000 Except that she had a really deep voice.
00:48:02.000 I fucked some smokers.
00:48:04.000 I fucked a few smokers in my day.
00:48:06.000 Really?
00:48:06.000 A hot chick with a big Ang voice and just ready to take you under the wing?
00:48:10.000 I'll take care of it.
00:48:12.000 She's hot.
00:48:13.000 I'll deal with it.
00:48:16.000 I'm totally pulling away from this.
00:48:18.000 Just never talk to her on the phone.
00:48:19.000 My thoughts, yeah, my thoughts on aliens visiting with people, though, that people don't really understand how long 100 years is.
00:48:26.000 We think of like 400 years ago as being like, wow, 400 years ago, you know, back then they didn't have cameras.
00:48:33.000 Back then they didn't have automobiles.
00:48:35.000 Everybody rode horses.
00:48:36.000 And then 400 years before that and 400 years before that, you stop and think about what you're talking about with Egypt.
00:48:41.000 You're talking about a culture that existed for thousands of years.
00:48:44.000 Thousands.
00:48:45.000 Thousands of years.
00:48:46.000 And they obviously were smart as fuck.
00:48:48.000 They wrote down a lot of shit.
00:48:51.000 Just what they left behind.
00:48:52.000 Forget about what was found during the burning of the Library of Alexandria.
00:48:55.000 I mean, when they found that they destroyed all these ancient records and all this information about how they did their construction.
00:49:03.000 I mean, who knows what the fuck was in there when they burnt all that stuff.
00:49:05.000 And it was burned several times.
00:49:07.000 Yes, it was.
00:49:09.000 What they left behind, though, carved in the stones, is magnificent shit.
00:49:13.000 I mean, all their hieroglyphs, the beautiful works of art they left behind, like the symmetry to their buildings and the mathematics of their construction, it's so obvious they were super, super advanced people.
00:49:27.000 Like, they were really advanced.
00:49:29.000 Yeah.
00:49:30.000 And we just think of that as being like, well, there's no way, aliens must do it.
00:49:34.000 No, it's real possible that a human race, a human culture can get super advanced and fuck it all up.
00:49:41.000 And it could be fucked up by disease, and it could be fucked up by asteroids, and it could be fucked up by other humans invading them, which would happen to Egypt.
00:49:49.000 They got invaded by the Nubians, and the Nubians took older.
00:49:52.000 That's why the older pharaohs, the more recent pharaohs, all had black African faces.
00:49:57.000 Like the Pharaoh on the face of the Sphinx is a very distinctly different face than some of the more Sephardic Pharaohs that you saw like in the early days.
00:50:05.000 And the other thing is this, that Egypt initially began as a society that rose from Other places, you know what I mean?
00:50:14.000 There were other civilizations that predated it, such as Sumeria, things of that nature.
00:50:19.000 And when you look at it, yes, of course, they could have easily took from those civilizations as well.
00:50:24.000 For sure.
00:50:24.000 We took from other civilizations.
00:50:26.000 For sure.
00:50:26.000 We took from tribes and from other people.
00:50:28.000 I mean, our constitution itself...
00:50:30.000 Is based on an Iroquois Confederacy, something that people don't really realize or pay attention to, that yes, we didn't just get corn from indigenous people.
00:50:38.000 We got this idea that different places could be under the same federal state, but still, guess what?
00:50:45.000 Have laws of their own that are respected by the federal government or forceful, that they're forced to respect because these are different tribes and these tribes...
00:50:54.000 I'm not going to tolerate you telling them how to live.
00:50:57.000 However, we will combine forces for the survivability of all of us together as opposed to individual tribes.
00:51:04.000 Wasn't that the whole forming of the Constitution as well?
00:51:06.000 I mean, didn't they get the ideas in the Constitution from studying the great civilizations of the past like Rome and Greece and all their ideals about how society should be put together And use those ideas in a lot of ways to formulate the Constitution.
00:51:22.000 Well, I mean, Napoleon's civil code also influenced a lot of Western societies, Europe's legal system now.
00:51:29.000 But I think, you know, when we talk about whether it's aliens or whether it's anybody that interferes in a human society, You want to think that what would their agenda be?
00:51:40.000 What do they want?
00:51:41.000 What do they possibly have to gain for all of it?
00:51:43.000 Resources?
00:51:44.000 Land?
00:51:45.000 I mean, if you read the Bible, it says that, you know, the sons of heaven made it with the daughters of men, you know?
00:51:52.000 Who's to say that's angels?
00:51:54.000 Maybe that's aliens who came down to fuck a woman.
00:51:56.000 It's absolutely possible that it did happen.
00:51:58.000 I know people don't like to hear that, like, oh, great, you believe in aliens.
00:52:03.000 That's not even what I'm saying.
00:52:04.000 I'm saying it's absolutely possible because this fucking thing is so big.
00:52:08.000 It's so big.
00:52:09.000 The idea that we've never been visited before is silly.
00:52:12.000 But if we pay attention to the way we treat the things on this planet that we can control, and we think about how the fuck they would deal with us, we should be probably pretty happy that it is bullshit.
00:52:23.000 Because if they're anything like us...
00:52:26.000 I wouldn't put it past them creating us out of monkeys.
00:52:29.000 I wouldn't put it past some super advanced alien species, look at some stupid chimps, and go, look at these dumb motherfuckers.
00:52:35.000 Let's take some of our shit and put it into them, and then come back in a thousand years.
00:52:39.000 Oh my god, they got planes and buildings.
00:52:42.000 Who knows?
00:52:43.000 It is possible that that happened.
00:52:45.000 It sounds quite ridiculous.
00:52:46.000 Don't worry.
00:52:47.000 I know that, and I know it sounds...
00:52:50.000 But I'm not saying it's impossible.
00:52:53.000 I'm not saying it's likely.
00:52:55.000 It's certainly, there is a chance that this planet has been visited before.
00:53:00.000 Just the fact that we can go to Mars with a drone.
00:53:03.000 We know that we sent these manned vehicles into space.
00:53:07.000 We know that there's satellites in orbit.
00:53:09.000 We've used the space shuttle.
00:53:11.000 We've used rockets.
00:53:13.000 There's, without a doubt, a rover that's moving around on the Mars right now.
00:53:17.000 There's a rover moving around on Mars.
00:53:19.000 We sent it from this planet.
00:53:20.000 We're monkeys.
00:53:22.000 I mean, we're a couple hundred years removed from slavery in this country.
00:53:25.000 We just came up with the internet 20 years ago.
00:53:28.000 We already have a robot moving around on Mars.
00:53:31.000 If there's something else out there that's a hundred years, a thousand years more advanced than us, if they haven't blown themselves up, for sure they would send some shit our way.
00:53:38.000 If they came here a long, long-ass time ago, the universe is 13 point whatever billion years old, allegedly.
00:53:46.000 Earth is only 4.6 billion years old.
00:53:49.000 A hell of a long time.
00:53:51.000 That's a long time.
00:53:52.000 Big window.
00:53:53.000 That leaves 9 fucking billion plus years.
00:53:56.000 That someone else could have been in a much more stable solar system, developed a civilization that's not based on dominator culture.
00:54:03.000 Empires rose and fold during that time.
00:54:05.000 They might have had a completely psychedelic culture.
00:54:07.000 Like, from the jump, they were eating mushrooms.
00:54:09.000 Never got out of it.
00:54:10.000 They might live in a tropical climate.
00:54:12.000 Like, the whole planet might be a stable tropical climate where they're consistently engaging in mushroom use.
00:54:17.000 And they developed the ability to read each other's minds like a fucking thousand years into their civilization.
00:54:23.000 And they've just been rocking it freestyle since then.
00:54:26.000 And here they are, ten billion years older than, you know, this planet.
00:54:30.000 But if we are like a downgraded version of humans, then humans like 4.0 must be really frightening creatures.
00:54:39.000 Something that can like look into your mind and see you control things with their head.
00:54:43.000 And the people who don't...
00:54:52.000 That's what holds this shit together.
00:54:57.000 How about the NSA whistleblower?
00:55:02.000 The fucking FBI breaks into his house.
00:55:04.000 Get on the floor, traitor!
00:55:06.000 I heard a word to that.
00:55:08.000 There's a woman named Dr. Carolyn Mace talking about the evolution of the species.
00:55:14.000 Her theory is that we're all homo erectus because we walk upright, but there's also different people on this planet that are called homo noeticus, meaning that they have more than just the five senses that people have.
00:55:28.000 We're not all the same species.
00:55:31.000 Some people are more evolved or evolved than others.
00:55:33.000 No, you can't say that, though, man.
00:55:35.000 People accuse you of racism.
00:55:37.000 What?
00:55:38.000 You can't say that.
00:55:38.000 No, no, no.
00:55:39.000 You can't say that some people are just dumber.
00:55:41.000 Different species of people.
00:55:41.000 No, no.
00:55:43.000 Meaning that you could, you know, how sometimes you could just think of a friend and they'll call you.
00:55:48.000 Well, how about this?
00:55:49.000 It's not so much dependent on the ideas of compartmentalizing people in the way we do in terms of race or in terms of religion.
00:55:57.000 It wouldn't be like to say that one person of this color or this creed would have been smarter.
00:56:03.000 It would have been a specific individual that's born within that line.
00:56:08.000 Either it could be here in America, it could be in Mexico, it could be in Nigeria or Scandinavia somewhere, but We're good to go.
00:56:41.000 He only interrupts the podcast to speak to his child or something, so something must be wrong at home.
00:56:46.000 People who pick up on those things, it's incredibly, it's not like female intuition, that sex is bullshit.
00:56:52.000 It's the idea that people in general, male, female, whatever, some of them are just more in touch with the idea of giving a fuck about how the people around them exist, and therefore they're just a more, I wouldn't say a more considerate human being,
00:57:08.000 but they have more emotional intelligence.
00:57:09.000 They pay more attention to developing that in themselves.
00:57:12.000 Musical intelligence, for example.
00:57:13.000 People could say, alright, I hear a note.
00:57:15.000 That's a G sharp.
00:57:17.000 Now I'm going to create a whole song around it and it's already finished in my head.
00:57:20.000 That's musical genius.
00:57:21.000 Physical intelligence, people who say, you know, you...
00:57:26.000 MMA shit, goddammit, that's physical intelligence.
00:57:28.000 Anyone who's gotta fight in the ring and calibrate an exact punch or know how to move somebody or to step them in this direction or another, that's an incredible physical genius that they have to possess in order to carry on something like that and not knock the fuck out by someone swinging on you as hard as they possibly can.
00:57:45.000 But only certain intelligences are valued in this country and in the world in terms of human society as opposed to delving into what they would really be if we took them each At not just face value, but what they represent for our human culture.
00:58:00.000 You know, that's why some people fuck with animals more than they fuck with people.
00:58:04.000 I know people that are like, oh, I love my dog.
00:58:06.000 Why can't you love a dog more than a person?
00:58:08.000 Sometimes a dog is more a human being than a human.
00:58:11.000 You know, you got a homeless person in the street who's crying.
00:58:15.000 Most people will walk right by him.
00:58:17.000 You put your dog next to a homeless person who's fucking in tears.
00:58:20.000 Somehow, I've seen it.
00:58:22.000 A dog that doesn't like nobody will go over there like, hey man, kind of look at you like, sad.
00:58:27.000 Like, why are you sad?
00:58:28.000 Why are you hurt?
00:58:30.000 Who the fuck would do that as a normal person?
00:58:32.000 We're trained to ignore that.
00:58:34.000 Whereas, something like a dog is trained to say, hey man, no, someone's in pain.
00:58:39.000 That's not right.
00:58:40.000 As if to say, I wish I could help you if I wasn't trapped in this fucking body.
00:58:45.000 You know what happens when people start really paying attention to a lot of homeless people and hanging out with them?
00:58:48.000 You realize they're fucking crazy, isn't it?
00:58:50.000 And if you bring those motherfuckers into your life, your life's going to be chaos.
00:58:54.000 If you take that crazy crying lady underneath the bridge and say, come on over my house.
00:58:58.000 Doug Stanhope used to do that.
00:58:59.000 Are you serious?
00:58:59.000 You know what happened?
00:59:01.000 They got a knife fight in his fucking driveway.
00:59:03.000 This woman stabbed her boyfriend.
00:59:05.000 Yeah, Doug used to let him...
00:59:06.000 He had a front lawn.
00:59:07.000 He lived in Venice.
00:59:08.000 Nobody's saying you got to breastfeed him.
00:59:09.000 I'm just saying that you just...
00:59:10.000 I know what you're saying.
00:59:11.000 I know what you're saying.
00:59:11.000 It's a very romanticized ideal, though.
00:59:14.000 The reality is...
00:59:15.000 If you want to go out there and fucking bring homeless people in your life every day, you only got 24 hours in a fucking day.
00:59:19.000 No, I don't mean every single...
00:59:20.000 Homeless people will fill your life up with bullshit.
00:59:22.000 They're easier than that.
00:59:23.000 They'll be screaming and crying.
00:59:24.000 They got no soap.
00:59:25.000 Look, get your own fucking shit together!
00:59:27.000 Or you're crazy.
00:59:28.000 It's one of those two.
00:59:29.000 And if you're crazy, that's the real issue.
00:59:32.000 When the Reagan administration was here, they changed the laws.
00:59:35.000 They changed the standards as far as, like, Taking people that you had to take care of.
00:59:39.000 And they let a lot of people out of mental hospitals.
00:59:41.000 They were infirmed for life.
00:59:44.000 And they got them out and then these people were just like, free.
00:59:46.000 You're free.
00:59:47.000 You're on your own.
00:59:47.000 You can take care of yourself.
00:59:48.000 But then again, when we think about it, then let's take that then.
00:59:51.000 Then let's not make it romanticized and idealized.
00:59:54.000 If these people are sick, if they have a disease, then shouldn't they be taken care of?
00:59:59.000 Shouldn't they be in a hospital?
01:00:00.000 No question.
01:00:01.000 No question.
01:00:02.000 If someone had fucking pneumonia and they were lying on a fucking highway...
01:00:05.000 You call the ambulance, they would come get them.
01:00:07.000 Somebody's sitting there, they're schizophrenic.
01:00:09.000 You know what I mean?
01:00:10.000 Or they have multiple personality disorder.
01:00:12.000 They're more liable to hurt themselves and they're a danger to themselves and to other people.
01:00:18.000 Those people need to be taken care of.
01:00:20.000 For example, We're good to go.
01:00:41.000 Who sold him the hot dose?
01:00:43.000 Really?
01:00:44.000 You know, I know lots of people I've known through my life that either almost died or died of a damn heroin overdose or some kind of drug overdose.
01:00:51.000 The NYPD didn't go meticulously looking for the specific dealer.
01:00:55.000 You want to know where the heroin's coming from, homie, I told him?
01:00:58.000 The first stop you need to do is Afghanistan.
01:01:00.000 That's where it's coming from.
01:01:01.000 And the poppy fields are being protected by our troops because the warlords that we want to stay in power, that are willing to give us access, are the ones that need the money.
01:01:11.000 So we allowed them to grow the poppy and we disallowed the Taliban supporters too.
01:01:16.000 But listen, don't bring any homeless people into your house.
01:01:18.000 Trust me.
01:01:18.000 I know what you're saying.
01:01:19.000 It all makes sense.
01:01:21.000 But you gotta trust me on this, man.
01:01:22.000 That's that background in comedy.
01:01:23.000 Don't watch them coming into your house.
01:01:25.000 They don't even know what toilet paper is, dude.
01:01:27.000 It's a whole thing.
01:01:29.000 You can't fix everybody, man.
01:01:30.000 Come on, Joe.
01:01:31.000 You can't fix everybody.
01:01:32.000 Not this close to Valentine's Day.
01:01:34.000 You gotta know who to fix and who not to.
01:01:36.000 You can't be Captain Save-A-Ho.
01:01:38.000 You can't be that guy out there trying to fix the world.
01:01:38.000 You can't.
01:01:41.000 Be nice to everybody.
01:01:43.000 The problem is, the really fucking crazy people, you're not gonna fix.
01:01:43.000 I'm that guy out there.
01:01:47.000 You could work all day, every day for the rest of your life, and you wouldn't put a dent in that shit.
01:01:51.000 And I think that they have to...
01:01:53.000 Someone...
01:01:54.000 It's a hallmark of our society.
01:01:56.000 Do you think those people started that way or do you think it was the things that happened to them within the course of their life more often that makes them that way?
01:01:56.000 Quick question.
01:02:03.000 You would be crazy to assume either or.
01:02:05.000 No one has any idea what the background of a lot of those people are other than the people that have treated them in the past.
01:02:11.000 They probably don't even know what the fuck happened to them.
01:02:13.000 There's a lot of really sick people out there that just happen to be homeless people because we can't classify them as insane enough to institutionalize.
01:02:22.000 Not then to be crazy enough to try to define it, but wouldn't you think that The majority of these cases are people who had extreme trauma of some sort as a child?
01:02:32.000 I would imagine.
01:02:35.000 People that I've met that have been homeless.
01:02:38.000 I knew quite a few people that were homeless at these stages of their life from the time when I used to hang out in pool halls.
01:02:46.000 One of my best friends was homeless for a long period of time.
01:02:48.000 When I was a struggling comedian, my friend Johnny was a pool hustler, a legit 100% pool hustler.
01:02:54.000 And a drug addict.
01:02:55.000 But the pool hustler thing is how he got by.
01:02:57.000 He was an extraordinary pool player and he would pretend to suck.
01:03:00.000 And he would go to places and he was a fast talker and he was a slick dude.
01:03:04.000 And he got a big thrill out of tricking guys into playing him.
01:03:07.000 And then he would lose a little, then complain, and then they would start talking shit and calling him fat and all this different stuff.
01:03:14.000 And then he would slowly start playing better and make it real emotional with the guy.
01:03:18.000 And he would get thousands of dollars out of people.
01:03:20.000 And a lot of it was psychological.
01:03:22.000 He just knew how to play people.
01:03:24.000 He had social intelligence.
01:03:26.000 Emotional intelligence.
01:03:26.000 Yeah, social intelligence and emotional intelligence.
01:03:28.000 He had both.
01:03:29.000 But he was homeless a good portion of the time.
01:03:31.000 Like, sometimes he would come stay at my house.
01:03:33.000 This motherfucker hadn't slept in days except under pool tables.
01:03:36.000 And he would just conk out like he got shot with a tranquilizer dart and just sleep for like...
01:03:41.000 He slept in my house for two solid days straight once.
01:03:44.000 Because he was just burning it.
01:03:46.000 Best sleep of his life.
01:03:47.000 Probably, yeah, man.
01:03:48.000 The poor dude was just out there.
01:03:50.000 And he had issues himself.
01:03:52.000 He had a lot of mental health issues himself.
01:03:55.000 And I think that there's a lot of people out there that are homeless that have mental health.
01:03:59.000 Well, I think that's the majority of a lot of the cases.
01:04:02.000 I think a lot of the homeless people that have mental health issues.
01:04:05.000 And what's sad is that, you know, especially when you find people who are supposed to be cared for by this government, and it goes back to what we were talking about before.
01:04:13.000 Imagine the veterans that are homeless out there who have paid dues and risked their lives for this country, and they're completely looked over.
01:04:19.000 And you would think the people who say that they love America so much...
01:04:24.000 We're good to go.
01:04:40.000 No, that's not the case because the people who usually say that are the ones that are bleeding this country dry by saying, oh man, I love America.
01:04:48.000 I want to destroy unions.
01:04:49.000 Unions are destroying America.
01:04:50.000 You know what?
01:04:51.000 I want to stop workers from doing this.
01:04:53.000 Dude, you're not doing it because you love America.
01:04:55.000 You love money.
01:04:56.000 If you really loved America, how come you've got a goddamn plant overseas?
01:05:00.000 You could be not making $10 billion.
01:05:03.000 You could be making...
01:05:04.000 Seven billion a year, but you would be feeding ten times more people, you know, here in America.
01:05:09.000 They would never do that.
01:05:10.000 Of course not.
01:05:11.000 Three billion is a big number.
01:05:12.000 I don't know what kind of country you live in, sir.
01:05:14.000 But that's what I'm talking about.
01:05:15.000 You know how much taxes my three billion pays for?
01:05:17.000 Social programs, cleaning the streets.
01:05:19.000 Who do you want to build these bridges, son?
01:05:21.000 That extra three billion is important.
01:05:23.000 Right.
01:05:23.000 Only that they're not going to pay it in taxes either, so it's not like it's going to go to anything.
01:05:27.000 Oh, that's right.
01:05:28.000 They weasel that shit.
01:05:29.000 I mean, come on, the NFL is like a charity.
01:05:32.000 Isn't that hilarious?
01:05:33.000 Come on.
01:05:34.000 That's one of the funniest things of all time.
01:05:36.000 The NFL is tax-free.
01:05:38.000 Is it team-by-team, though?
01:05:39.000 Do they tax the teams?
01:05:40.000 No, dude, the whole thing is a charity organization.
01:05:42.000 Oh, please.
01:05:44.000 The fucking NFL! The biggest sports franchise in the world!
01:05:49.000 The UFC needs to get on that.
01:05:50.000 I don't know what the fuck Dana White's waiting for.
01:05:52.000 We need to be tax-free.
01:05:56.000 Charity?
01:05:57.000 Charity?
01:05:57.000 How the fuck are you going to give the charity?
01:05:59.000 It should be a charity.
01:06:01.000 That's what I'm saying.
01:06:03.000 Loopholes.
01:06:03.000 Fucking crazy shit!
01:06:05.000 You imagine if the UFC tried to become tax free?
01:06:07.000 You know who else is like that?
01:06:08.000 Oh my god.
01:06:09.000 The NHL. They're tax free too?
01:06:11.000 Yep.
01:06:11.000 Get the fuck out of here.
01:06:12.000 The NHL. That is hilarious.
01:06:14.000 NBA? That is...
01:06:15.000 What about the NBA? They gotta pay.
01:06:17.000 Too many black people.
01:06:18.000 They gotta pay.
01:06:19.000 We're not happy about this.
01:06:20.000 99% black people, goddammit!
01:06:23.000 Make them pay taxes!
01:06:24.000 That means baseball.
01:06:25.000 They gotta pay too.
01:06:26.000 Too many Latinos.
01:06:27.000 Too many Latinos.
01:06:28.000 These motherfuckers coming over here throwing heat.
01:06:31.000 Give me that money, bitch.
01:06:33.000 Give me that fucking money.
01:06:36.000 Yeah, taxes, man.
01:06:39.000 The people that don't have to pay taxes is a real goddamn mind blower.
01:06:43.000 It's like, how does that get determined?
01:06:45.000 And like religions that make money.
01:06:47.000 Like religions like, say Scientology.
01:06:49.000 Scientology is a tax-free organization.
01:06:51.000 A tax-free organization that was written by a science fiction writer!
01:06:56.000 L. Ron Hubbard.
01:06:57.000 Yeah, who publicly stated that the best way to make a lot of money is to start your own religion.
01:07:02.000 And he got tax-free.
01:07:04.000 That guy got tax-free.
01:07:05.000 You know what's funny?
01:07:06.000 When I got out of prison, I went to try to find a job in all these places and everyone said no to me.
01:07:11.000 And there was this one ad that was like, come learn the secret to life and get paid while doing it.
01:07:17.000 And it was like a...
01:07:19.000 $12 an hour job in like 1999 when I just made parole and they were advertising like, please come to this area, you know, you can learn and I walked in and it was a Scientology center.
01:07:30.000 And I walked in, the lady was super nice, they're all the most polite people in the world.
01:07:30.000 Of course.
01:07:35.000 No, no, no.
01:07:35.000 Did you fuck her?
01:07:36.000 I wish you wanted a fucking Scientology.
01:07:37.000 They literally just brought me in, they shoved me in front of a screen with like four or five other people and they played me like a Scientology video.
01:07:46.000 And then they asked us, they were like, did you all understand the truth in this video?
01:07:52.000 And I was sitting here and I was just like, yo, I really wanted to be like, what the fuck is wrong with you?
01:07:58.000 Like, no one believes this shit.
01:08:00.000 But at the same time, I sat back and I said, you know what?
01:08:03.000 I really don't understand this religion enough for me to make a commitment about it right now.
01:08:07.000 And they were very polite to me.
01:08:09.000 They're like, thank you very much for your time, sir.
01:08:11.000 Take care.
01:08:11.000 And there was somebody else in there who really needed that fucking job, and they just looked at me, and they gave me this kind of look like, cool, cool, you're not in the running anymore.
01:08:21.000 They were like, I was touched.
01:08:23.000 I swear to God, I could see the charlatan and the snake oil coming out of the side of their jacket, dude.
01:08:29.000 They were like, I was touched by this video.
01:08:31.000 Like, I really thought it was amazing.
01:08:33.000 The dude, they're there to get a job, yo.
01:08:35.000 That was it.
01:08:36.000 Joe, you might be right about this racist shit, by the way, because the only other ones that don't have to pay taxes, the Golf League, the PGA, and the NHL. The golf league doesn't have to pay taxes?
01:08:50.000 Who are all the owners?
01:08:51.000 All the owners in the NFL, though.
01:08:53.000 That is fucking creepy.
01:08:54.000 The NBA should be pissed.
01:08:57.000 The golf guys don't have to pay taxes?
01:08:59.000 Yeah, that's like the most money, right?
01:09:01.000 Wow, that's dark.
01:09:03.000 That's some dark obvious shit.
01:09:05.000 That's not dark at all.
01:09:05.000 Dark racism.
01:09:07.000 Wow, I think it's racism.
01:09:09.000 I'm crying racism for the NBA, and I don't even watch basketball.
01:09:13.000 Yeah, the idea that you get away with the Scientology thing, that that could be...
01:09:17.000 We need to start our own fucking religion.
01:09:19.000 That's what we need to do.
01:09:20.000 God damn it.
01:09:21.000 That's how you're really...
01:09:21.000 God damn it!
01:09:25.000 That's how you really lock things down.
01:09:27.000 That's the quote right there.
01:09:28.000 We need to start our own religion.
01:09:29.000 God damn it!
01:09:30.000 Well, they have so much money that they can get away with it.
01:09:33.000 Like, Scientology is the number two land owner in Los Angeles.
01:09:37.000 They own more buildings and property and real estate in Los Angeles than, like, almost anybody.
01:09:42.000 The freakiest thing is, you know how they rope off everything in a Times Square when the ball is going to drop or whatever?
01:09:48.000 Yeah.
01:09:48.000 And there's a certain time you can't go past the barricades?
01:09:51.000 One night I was there, and the guy said, well, are you a member of the Church of Scientology?
01:09:56.000 And I said, yeah.
01:09:57.000 And he let me in.
01:09:59.000 What?
01:09:59.000 Through the barricade.
01:10:00.000 Real story, dude.
01:10:01.000 Real story.
01:10:03.000 He probably just wanted to fuck you.
01:10:04.000 What?
01:10:10.000 He knows.
01:10:11.000 You're a handsome guy.
01:10:13.000 Joe, Joe, Joe.
01:10:15.000 Come on, Joe.
01:10:16.000 The interspecies conversation is fine.
01:10:19.000 Listen, man, I know how to take a podcast and lose its entertainment value.
01:10:25.000 The hate comic came right out of Joe.
01:10:26.000 You gotta fucking press a button.
01:10:28.000 Wow.
01:10:28.000 You gotta keep the ball moving.
01:10:30.000 Wow.
01:10:31.000 What is the wow?
01:10:32.000 What are you supposed to say?
01:10:33.000 Amazing.
01:10:34.000 He probably loved you.
01:10:36.000 Wow.
01:10:39.000 Dude's a Scientologist.
01:10:41.000 Trying to make friends.
01:10:42.000 It was a police officer, too.
01:10:44.000 That's hilarious.
01:10:45.000 Well, they might have had some sort of a deal.
01:10:47.000 Maybe they pay off the cops, get through the lawn, hand out brochures.
01:10:51.000 I think that's the only way you really do get anything done.
01:10:54.000 I think for a lot of companies and corporations, they just pay off whoever it is that's in charge.
01:10:59.000 Well, the only reason why people aren't investigating Scientology in this country, but yet they are in other countries, it's got to be just how much money they have.
01:11:06.000 That's the only thing that makes sense.
01:11:07.000 Because if there's a new group that came out of nowhere, And they hadn't, you know, had all this history of owning all these buildings.
01:11:14.000 And you found out, like, that they developed this religion based on the science fiction author's writings.
01:11:22.000 And you would read it and go, wait a minute, what the fuck?
01:11:24.000 What are these e-meters?
01:11:25.000 You hold onto these aluminum cans and they tell me your personality.
01:11:29.000 Get the fuck out of here!
01:11:30.000 That's not real!
01:11:31.000 They would be shut down.
01:11:32.000 You would think that they would be run out of town.
01:11:34.000 Well, I mean, someone else could tell you, hey, this cracker is really the flesh of...
01:11:39.000 You know, a Hebrew zombie.
01:11:40.000 You know, I mean, someone could put it in that way and you would feel ridiculous.
01:11:43.000 As long as it's old, we're cool with it.
01:11:45.000 No, but that's what I mean.
01:11:46.000 As long as it's through a certain period of time.
01:11:48.000 Look, I have a great respect for people who I've seen use religion to make them a better person.
01:11:54.000 But when I see someone become more pretentious, more judgmental, more like, I have all the answers and unless you believe in exactly what I believe, Then you're going to go to damnation.
01:12:04.000 That's when I see religion as a destructive thing that ends up ruining people's lives.
01:12:10.000 But when I see people that honestly just take it, and I think that's the thing with a lot of religions, as long as the canon can be as ridiculous as it's going to be.
01:12:18.000 You know, people will believe preposterous things.
01:12:20.000 All of them ask you to believe something preposterous.
01:12:22.000 You know, the ocean is divided.
01:12:24.000 You know, Muhammad ascended into heaven, you know what I mean?
01:12:27.000 Or, you know, Jesus Christ was born of a virgin and then died and came back to life.
01:12:32.000 And yet, when you look at people's lives, you know, some people's lives are preposterous.
01:12:37.000 You know, there was a family my friend was staying in doing a photo project down in Brazil.
01:12:42.000 And he was down there and he was like, you know, there are two holes in the floor.
01:12:45.000 One hole is in the bathroom.
01:12:47.000 Where everyone goes to the bathroom.
01:12:48.000 And the other hole is literally right next door.
01:12:51.000 And they put a bucket down there to catch shrimp.
01:12:54.000 And I'm like, wait a minute.
01:12:58.000 Is it in a different river or something?
01:13:00.000 Nah, it's the same water.
01:13:01.000 And I'm like, really?
01:13:02.000 Yeah, definitely.
01:13:03.000 It's the same exact water.
01:13:04.000 And he's like, you have to understand...
01:13:07.000 That's the only way they're gonna eat anything that day, is to fish for shrimp in that shit water.
01:13:12.000 And that's preposterous to me.
01:13:13.000 For you and I to look at that and be like, oh man, you know, who in this room would imagine, you know, I'm gonna put my hand in the toilet to pick out my dinner tomorrow.
01:13:21.000 But that is the absolute reality that people who are living in those type of dire conditions, because if they don't eat that, they're not gonna fucking eat.
01:13:28.000 That's why I'm honestly not offended if somebody...
01:13:31.000 You know, steal something when I'm in some third world country.
01:13:34.000 I mean, not that I like that shit, but, yo, you're taking something because you're gonna die if you don't sell it to eat.
01:13:40.000 And motherfuckers are just stealing, you know, Reebok pumps because they want to look fucking cool.
01:13:45.000 Like, you're a sucker, my nigga.
01:13:46.000 The only person I know that's ever actually started a religion is Alex Gray.
01:13:51.000 Alex Gray is the visionary artist.
01:13:53.000 I don't know if you've ever seen his work, but everything he does is these psychedelic portraits.
01:13:57.000 They're like...
01:13:59.000 These really intense, like, multicolored, they look like dimethyltryptamine trips.
01:14:05.000 It's all like ayahuasca trips or mushroom trips and all of his art.
01:14:10.000 This is his stuff.
01:14:10.000 People coming out of people.
01:14:11.000 Yeah, this is all of his stuff.
01:14:13.000 Well, he's created his, not only has he created his own religion, but he got tax-free status.
01:14:19.000 Oh, jeez.
01:14:19.000 And his city is trying to fight it.
01:14:23.000 They still want him to pay taxes, I think.
01:14:24.000 I don't know if he ever worked that out.
01:14:26.000 But he's actually trying to do it in a really, like, positive, healthy way.
01:14:31.000 He's not trying to make money off people or own people or give you a bunch of rules that you have to follow.
01:14:36.000 He's just...
01:14:38.000 Essentially, he's a guy who really believes that psychedelics are a connection to the true God of the universe.
01:14:46.000 Love and God and...
01:14:48.000 The energy that exists when you have these powerful, transformative, psychedelic experiences.
01:14:56.000 So he's building this thing in upstate New York.
01:15:00.000 He came on and showed me and Brian his...
01:15:03.000 His community he's putting together up there.
01:15:06.000 But he's got this huge building that he's making that he came on our podcast and did a Kickstarter for it and raised the money like in no time.
01:15:14.000 It was amazing.
01:15:15.000 The people from this podcast fucking represented like in this positive, a strong way as was humanly possible.
01:15:22.000 And a whole bunch of people supported this.
01:15:24.000 And he got all his funding and he's building this incredible building.
01:15:28.000 Look at this thing.
01:15:29.000 Look it up, Tech.
01:15:32.000 It's on the other one in front of you too.
01:15:34.000 This is going to be his church.
01:15:37.000 It's all based on his artwork.
01:15:40.000 And it's probably going to be one of the most beautiful buildings in the world.
01:15:43.000 And where is he going to build this thing?
01:15:45.000 In upstate New York.
01:15:46.000 He has a temple in upstate New York.
01:15:49.000 That belongs in like a jungle in Columbia or some shit.
01:15:52.000 You know what I'm telling you?
01:15:53.000 On top of a mountain or something.
01:15:54.000 I've met the dude several times and he is the real deal.
01:15:58.000 He really is a beautiful person.
01:15:59.000 He's all full of love.
01:16:00.000 The guy's like so loving and happy and friendly.
01:16:03.000 He's not evil in any way, shape or form and he just wants to promote those ideas.
01:16:09.000 And promote art and promote love.
01:16:12.000 I mean, you couldn't ask for a better guy trying to create his own religion.
01:16:15.000 But what he's trying to do is just influence people in a very positive way.
01:16:19.000 But you know what, Joe?
01:16:20.000 It's usually never the guy who creates it.
01:16:22.000 All right.
01:16:23.000 It's always the inheritor.
01:16:24.000 You're right.
01:16:25.000 It's always the inheritor.
01:16:26.000 It's so true.
01:16:27.000 Whoever the fuck takes this shit over is going to be like, listen, you know, in order for you to really get the psychedelic experience, you let me...
01:16:33.000 You gotta suck my dick.
01:16:33.000 Right.
01:16:35.000 Some crazy shit, you know what I mean?
01:16:37.000 Happy meals.
01:16:38.000 You need to let me father children with everyone's wife here.
01:16:42.000 They all do that, right?
01:16:43.000 Eventually.
01:16:44.000 Because it's too hard.
01:16:45.000 Hot girls walking around, they love you so much because you're the messiah.
01:16:48.000 Damn, I want to hit that.
01:16:50.000 This fucking husband of hers is just fucking up my flow.
01:16:56.000 Yeah, well, that's just human nature, man.
01:16:58.000 I mean, that's obviously the issue with priests telling them they can't have sex.
01:17:01.000 You know, you create monsters.
01:17:03.000 You create monsters when you suppress.
01:17:05.000 There's no way around it.
01:17:06.000 If you suppress, the energy finds a way through in another way.
01:17:09.000 I really want to do some in-depth research on when that started happening, because in the early Orthodox church, people who were officials of the church were allowed to have wives.
01:17:21.000 They were allowed to have a dispensation.
01:17:23.000 They were allowed to get married.
01:17:24.000 They got married by the Pope.
01:17:26.000 I mean, the Pope had children.
01:17:27.000 I mean, I think at some point, people looked at it probably in the Middle Ages where people got real pious.
01:17:32.000 And, you know, when you examine the changing of Christianity, you find specific points where it becomes, you know, from that time where people are completely nonviolent to becoming structured to be a violent society.
01:17:48.000 You know, people say, oh, well, whose writings are those?
01:17:51.000 I always said it was St. Augustine, and then it makes sense because he dies in the siege of Hippo Regis.
01:17:56.000 During that particular time, you know, the Eastern Roman Empire was trying to eradicate something called Arianism, which is the idea that the father is superior to the son.
01:18:04.000 In other words, the father created the son, and therefore the son was inferior to the father as he was a creation.
01:18:09.000 The people of the church hated this idea, and so they overthrew all of the Germanic kingdoms that inherited the Western Roman Empire in order to We're good to go.
01:18:52.000 Wow.
01:18:56.000 Wow.
01:19:00.000 Wow.
01:19:10.000 This is fantastic.
01:19:11.000 So they just decided they were slinging too much dick.
01:19:13.000 That's the only way around it.
01:19:15.000 That's exactly what was going on.
01:19:17.000 They had too much power.
01:19:18.000 There was no rock stars back then.
01:19:20.000 You had poets.
01:19:21.000 And by the way, when you're dealing with 304, no one was reading the Bible.
01:19:28.000 They didn't figure out how to read the Bible until...
01:19:31.000 Till Martin Luther came along and translated it into a phonetic language.
01:19:35.000 That was when most people could read it.
01:19:37.000 Before it was Latin.
01:19:39.000 The first time it was translated into Germanic was, I believe, in the fourth century by a priest called Wulfilla.
01:19:46.000 And when I look at the actual...
01:19:48.000 We're good to go.
01:20:18.000 It says that Germanic language translations of the Bible have existed since the Middle Ages, and the most influential is Luther's translation.
01:20:26.000 The Martin Luther translations, I believe that was in the 1500s or something like that.
01:20:33.000 There's a great hardcore history podcast on that called something Thor.
01:20:40.000 Find the name of that.
01:20:42.000 I forget what it is.
01:20:43.000 But it's all about Martin Luther translating the Bible into a phonetic language translation.
01:20:48.000 Yeah, they couldn't read it.
01:20:49.000 So back then, when a priest was the only direct connection to God, he was the only guy that was able to tell you the Word of God, he was the only...
01:21:00.000 Here it is.
01:21:01.000 Thor's angels.
01:21:02.000 Here it is.
01:21:03.000 This is the Gothic Bible, or the Wafilla Bible.
01:21:07.000 Christian Bible as translated by the Wafilla in the 4th century into the Gothic language spoken by the Eastern Germanic peoples or the Gothic tribes, meaning the inheritors of the Roman state.
01:21:20.000 As Rome fell in 410 and then, of course, I think in 455, and then finally, what was the last...
01:21:31.000 476. And back then, the Germans were totally different, like, the whole country of Germany.
01:21:36.000 There were so many barbarians.
01:21:38.000 There was big, fucking, powerful, scary dudes.
01:21:41.000 But this is the interesting point.
01:21:43.000 What makes them a barbarian?
01:21:44.000 That they weren't with Rome?
01:21:45.000 If anything, wasn't Rome the most barbaric out of all of them?
01:21:49.000 Well, I mean, when I say barbarian, I mean, like, Conan the Barbarian.
01:21:52.000 I mean, these big, giant motherfuckers who ate meat and drank milk.
01:21:56.000 That was, like, primary staples of their diet.
01:21:58.000 They had a massive amount of protein.
01:22:00.000 But the protein content of their diet is why they were so big.
01:22:03.000 They were enormous people.
01:22:05.000 I don't think they did a whole lot of farming because it's cold as shit up there.
01:22:08.000 So they're eating, you know, a lot of animal protein.
01:22:11.000 And apparently they were enormous in comparison to a lot of the people that would encounter them.
01:22:16.000 That was like the first depictions from China, I believe, of encountering German people.
01:22:21.000 They were like, holy shit, are these fucking people big?
01:22:24.000 You know, they were just enormous...
01:22:27.000 Savage people, you know?
01:22:29.000 Well, I mean, I don't know.
01:22:31.000 I'm sure that there was some sort of human sacrifice here and there.
01:22:35.000 Oh, fuck yeah.
01:22:36.000 The thing is that...
01:22:37.000 Everybody did that.
01:22:38.000 That shit was standard.
01:22:39.000 When you look at their tribal societies, though, I really would like to sit down and examine what the process was for them in their societies as opposed to when they were Romanized.
01:22:52.000 You know, because that...
01:22:54.000 People living in some mud hut in the middle of Germany, I'm sure they had some different idea of controlling themselves and to reining in.
01:23:06.000 Similar to the way Native American people didn't ever have a prison.
01:23:10.000 You know what I mean?
01:23:10.000 Where the fuck did you put the people that did bad things?
01:23:13.000 Well, you just had to fix them.
01:23:15.000 Or...
01:23:15.000 Put them on sticks.
01:23:17.000 Tie them up.
01:23:18.000 Cut their eyelids off.
01:23:19.000 Someone had to be fixed.
01:23:21.000 Yeah, or kill them.
01:23:22.000 I think they probably killed a lot of people, too.
01:23:24.000 Well, that's the thing.
01:23:25.000 I mean, it depends on what society you want to imagine.
01:23:28.000 I mean, I remember I watched the movie 300, right?
01:23:31.000 And it was like, oh, man, they make these Persians seem like the wickedest people.
01:23:35.000 But when you look at it, what were the Greeks doing?
01:23:37.000 They were practicing infanticide.
01:23:39.000 It was still a monarchy.
01:23:40.000 Sparta still had slaves like a motherfucker.
01:23:43.000 Well, I give the movie 300 a lot of creative freedom because it was based on a graphic novel and it's obviously got a lot of mythical qualities.
01:23:50.000 They're doing another one.
01:23:51.000 I know.
01:23:53.000 I'll go see that movie.
01:23:54.000 I loved it.
01:23:55.000 But to me, it's a comic book.
01:23:56.000 Right.
01:23:57.000 The real problem with making a movie about Spartans is you're going to have to have a bunch of dudes fucking each other.
01:24:05.000 If you want to do it right, you've got to do a historically accurate movie on Spartans.
01:24:09.000 Which is why when he was like, oh, those Athenian boy lovers.
01:24:12.000 And I was like, wait a minute, hold on, dude.
01:24:14.000 You're from Sparta, dude.
01:24:16.000 You're in the gymnasium, which means like naked in Greek or something.
01:24:19.000 So, of course.
01:24:20.000 There was a lot of man fucking going on.
01:24:22.000 But it was normal.
01:24:23.000 I mean, I'm not saying that they should do it because it would somehow or another discredit them.
01:24:28.000 But it is historical fact that the people that lived back then engaged in much more homosexual activities than we think of today.
01:24:36.000 In that particular area.
01:24:37.000 Yeah.
01:24:37.000 In that particular, the Greeks and the Romans and the Spartans and all those fucking savages, they were banging each other.
01:24:42.000 They always were.
01:24:43.000 And it was a part of life.
01:24:44.000 It was a normal thing.
01:24:45.000 And men having boys for lovers.
01:24:47.000 And that was like, I mean, how many philosophers had, hey, that's not real.
01:24:52.000 That's not a Spartan.
01:24:53.000 That's your boyfriend.
01:24:54.000 You fucking son of a bitch.
01:24:55.000 You put some gay guy up.
01:24:56.000 Don't do it again, you fucking...
01:24:58.000 Put it down.
01:25:00.000 It's not, you know...
01:25:02.000 I mean, how is that...
01:25:04.000 You're talking about murderers and warmongers.
01:25:07.000 You're talking about people that are constantly engaged in the slaughter of people.
01:25:10.000 Like, why would it somehow or another discredit them if they had gay sex?
01:25:13.000 Like, who gives a shit?
01:25:14.000 But it is the reality.
01:25:16.000 The reality is this picture, that's a real depiction of a real gladiator and a real young boy.
01:25:22.000 Because that shit was super common.
01:25:23.000 Well, some people thought in that particular age that the only true love that could exist...
01:25:36.000 I think we're good to go.
01:25:38.000 We're good to go.
01:25:51.000 Didn't have adulthood defined the way we do now.
01:25:55.000 And I think that's the problem that engages.
01:25:57.000 And I'm not being an apologist or excusing it.
01:25:59.000 It's just that when...
01:26:01.000 Let's say that it's the year 1200. You become an adult not when you're 18 years old.
01:26:08.000 Most people die when they were like 30. So if you're 18, you're damn near the equivalent of being a middle-aged man.
01:26:15.000 But if you think about it, during that particular...
01:26:23.000 That's not where you're supposed to put that.
01:26:26.000 Put down your rock real quick.
01:26:28.000 Yeah, this is called back mount.
01:26:31.000 You see how one of them is muscular and the other one is not?
01:26:34.000 Broke back Greek.
01:26:35.000 You see that?
01:26:35.000 Look, close in on the guy on the bottom.
01:26:37.000 Even back then, they had tops and bottoms.
01:26:40.000 Because there's like one dude who just clearly is the one who's gonna get fucked every time.
01:26:44.000 And the other dude is gonna do all the fucking.
01:26:46.000 See, look at the guy on the bottom.
01:26:48.000 He's all smooth and shit.
01:26:49.000 Doesn't look like he does his sit-ups.
01:26:51.000 Doesn't do his squats.
01:26:52.000 The guy on top is very ripped.
01:26:55.000 The guy on the bottom is kind of doughy.
01:26:56.000 The other guy on the bottom is getting ripped too.
01:26:58.000 He gets tired.
01:27:00.000 He gets tired easy.
01:27:02.000 The guy on the bottom needs a lot of naps.
01:27:08.000 But you couldn't have a movie like that.
01:27:10.000 If you had a movie like that where you showed the true lives of the Spartans, people wouldn't be able to deal with it.
01:27:14.000 Yeah, but did they have a lot of gay sex in that movie?
01:27:16.000 No, not Troy.
01:27:17.000 Alexander, I mean.
01:27:18.000 Oh, it was gay because Colin Farrell was the lead?
01:27:22.000 Him and whatever the other dude was in there.
01:27:25.000 But let me ask you something.
01:27:26.000 In the MMA, where you have your balls in someone else's face and they're on the ground, are you allowed to talk shit like that?
01:27:32.000 Absolutely.
01:27:33.000 You have to be like, yo, suck my dick when you're on the floor.
01:27:35.000 Yeah, if you want to fuck with a guy's head, you could definitely do that.
01:27:38.000 Do people do a lot of that shit?
01:27:40.000 Oh, yeah.
01:27:40.000 There's some dudes.
01:27:41.000 Nick Diaz talks mad shit during every one of his fights.
01:27:44.000 Every one of his fights, you stand in front of people going, what, bitch?
01:27:47.000 What, bitch?
01:27:47.000 Boom!
01:27:48.000 And then it pops you.
01:27:48.000 I'm fucking you up, bitch.
01:27:50.000 Like, he'll talk shit to you while he's fighting.
01:27:52.000 No, I don't mean that white frat boy swag shit that they put right before the cops on him.
01:27:55.000 I just mean, like...
01:27:56.000 Nick Diaz is Mexican, first of all.
01:27:57.000 No, no, no, but I'm just saying, I know, I picked that up on it when the Diaz came out.
01:28:01.000 I'm just saying, you know, that's just what I hear.
01:28:03.000 Oh, what's up, bitch?
01:28:04.000 Let's do this right now!
01:28:06.000 Officer!
01:28:07.000 You know, that man accosted me!
01:28:09.000 That's what I see all the time when I used to wild out.
01:28:12.000 My thing is this, though.
01:28:14.000 Yeah, but you're not talking officer.
01:28:16.000 We're talking about an MMA fight.
01:28:17.000 We're talking about a fight that's happening no matter what.
01:28:20.000 But I mean in terms of the sexual portion of it.
01:28:23.000 Oh yeah, I'm sure guys do.
01:28:24.000 I'm sure guys fuck with guys.
01:28:25.000 Look, if someone's gonna fuck with you and try to get inside your head, they're gonna try to do it by any means necessary.
01:28:30.000 Right.
01:28:30.000 But there's no limit on that.
01:28:33.000 For example, other sports, they have a limit to what they can say, and then they're like, oh no, this is too...
01:28:39.000 Didn't they get in trouble on some shit in the NBA where they were talking about somebody else's wife, or you're only allowed to say certain things, or you're talking about somebody else's kids in their ear?
01:28:48.000 For example, in certain soccer leagues, you're not allowed to mention somebody's family or talk about racism.
01:28:54.000 Oh, like when you're in a scrum?
01:28:55.000 I know that football players are notorious for that, for saying the darkest, most evil shit to someone on another team.
01:29:01.000 I'm going to rape your baby.
01:29:03.000 Dude.
01:29:03.000 You got a beautiful kid.
01:29:05.000 I'm going to fuck its face right after I pound you into the ground.
01:29:08.000 Dudes have without a doubt said shit like that.
01:29:11.000 It's psychological war, man.
01:29:13.000 Trying to get you to lose your cool.
01:29:14.000 But similar to the way some sports regulate it, should it be regulated, Joe?
01:29:19.000 No.
01:29:20.000 No.
01:29:20.000 It's free speech.
01:29:21.000 Anything that you say, your house is on fire right now.
01:29:24.000 Well, that's different.
01:29:27.000 First of all, you're staying in the middle of a fight?
01:29:29.000 Yeah, you should be able to say your house is on fire.
01:29:31.000 How the fuck would you know my house is on fire?
01:29:33.000 Get your dick out of my face.
01:29:35.000 Stop talking shit about my house.
01:29:37.000 What is this?
01:29:38.000 Why don't you pull it down so we can read it?
01:29:40.000 Yeah, so this is a New York...
01:29:42.000 Carmelo Anthony.
01:29:44.000 Carmelo.
01:29:45.000 Carmelo.
01:29:46.000 Estranged from wife Lala...
01:29:48.000 Whatever.
01:29:48.000 Lala.
01:29:49.000 What is it about?
01:29:49.000 What is it about?
01:29:50.000 Why are you putting this up?
01:29:51.000 He pretty much said a comment when he was playing, your wife tastes like Honey Nut Cheerios.
01:29:56.000 Oh, I remember this.
01:29:58.000 So he's getting in trouble for that?
01:29:59.000 You know what's funny?
01:30:00.000 Melo was waiting.
01:30:01.000 I bet she does, though.
01:30:02.000 Let's be honest.
01:30:03.000 It's pretty.
01:30:04.000 Melo was waiting for him, apparently.
01:30:07.000 Um...
01:30:07.000 Like, where they go to the walk to the bus.
01:30:11.000 Like, right there.
01:30:12.000 He was supposedly waiting for him.
01:30:13.000 Oh, like he's gonna kick his ass?
01:30:15.000 I mean, I guess...
01:30:16.000 And they were both in the same team together?
01:30:17.000 No, no, no, no.
01:30:18.000 It's different teams.
01:30:19.000 It's different teams.
01:30:19.000 Well, you know, that's a choice he's gonna have to make on his own.
01:30:25.000 Yeah, listen, man...
01:30:29.000 I need that serious.
01:30:29.000 Interesting.
01:30:30.000 Dudes talk shit.
01:30:31.000 Look, if you do talk shit like that, you're clearly an asshole.
01:30:35.000 You're clearly a piece of shit as a human being.
01:30:37.000 And if you're willing to be a piece of shit as a human being just to win, you can win without that.
01:30:43.000 You can win without that and be healthier.
01:30:45.000 Especially fighting.
01:30:47.000 The odds of you really getting inside a dude's head and causing him to do something that's going to make him lose the fight, they're fucking professionals, man.
01:30:53.000 The dudes who are really good, stop, Brian.
01:30:56.000 Stop putting shit up.
01:30:56.000 It's distracting.
01:30:58.000 The dudes that are winning, man, they're fucking samurais.
01:31:01.000 They know what the fuck they're doing.
01:31:03.000 But wouldn't the professionals know what to say to get into someone's ending?
01:31:06.000 No!
01:31:07.000 Isn't that a part of warfare?
01:31:09.000 No, a lot of guys are not good at it at all.
01:31:11.000 The greatest fighters ever.
01:31:12.000 Misdirection, distraction.
01:31:14.000 Yeah, of course you have the silent warrior.
01:31:16.000 Now you're the one who's romanticizing.
01:31:19.000 No, no, I'm not.
01:31:19.000 The silent warrior who will just sit there praying at some Buddhist temple until he gets up like Ken and Ryu and goes and beats the shit out of his opponent and then fly back to Thailand so he can sit under that fake statue and fight Sagat later.
01:31:30.000 No, I mean, dude, he's going to say some fucked up shit in your ear.
01:31:33.000 Not always.
01:31:33.000 Listen, man, you're wrong.
01:31:34.000 This is why you're wrong.
01:31:35.000 The greatest fighters almost always are martial artists, like real martial artists.
01:31:39.000 The guys like George St. Pierre, the guys like Lyoto Machida, these guys, they're not shit talkers ever at all.
01:31:44.000 They follow by the true martial arts principles, and that's one of the reasons why they're so good.
01:31:48.000 They don't carry the burden of shit talking.
01:31:50.000 When a guy like Chael Sonnen talks mad shit before a fight...
01:31:54.000 Look, Chael can obviously back it up, he's obviously a very good fighter, but make no mistake about it, there's a tremendous pressure on him because of that shit-talking, on top of the fact that he's got a fight.
01:32:03.000 That is an extra opponent that you have inside the octagon, knowing that if you lose, my god, you're gonna look like a fucking idiot.
01:32:10.000 That shit is real, and it's an enemy, and it is also enforcing the ego, which is, it has to be left out as much as possible in any situation where you're dealing with extreme pressure.
01:32:21.000 Because it shows character.
01:32:24.000 Cracks.
01:32:24.000 Cracks.
01:32:25.000 But then what about a guy like Muhammad Ali?
01:32:28.000 Muhammad Ali was a brilliant boxer and he was a brilliant sportsman.
01:32:32.000 And he figured out how to get inside a lot of people's heads and defeat them.
01:32:36.000 But he would have been able to do that just by boxing them.
01:32:38.000 It was beautiful what he did because it was entertaining for all of us.
01:32:42.000 And by doing that, he also called a tremendous amount of attention to himself.
01:32:45.000 But...
01:32:46.000 You know, what I think he did was a form of the extreme braggadocious nature of the way he would talk was so obvious that it was almost like theater.
01:32:56.000 Like, Howard Cosell said to him, Champ, you seem truculent.
01:32:59.000 He goes, whatever truculent means, if it's good, I'm that.
01:33:02.000 Like, just that.
01:33:03.000 That's beautiful.
01:33:04.000 That's theater.
01:33:05.000 But then being in somebody's ear, saying whatever you're going to say to them.
01:33:08.000 You can if you want.
01:33:09.000 You see him doing that at that particular time.
01:33:12.000 Sure.
01:33:13.000 People wouldn't think he's wrong for that.
01:33:15.000 But someone would think that someone who's talking shit on the football field, saying reckless things about someone else's family, they're wrong for that.
01:33:22.000 Well, first of all, people definitely thought he was wrong for that.
01:33:25.000 You're dealing with the perception of Muhammad Ali.
01:33:28.000 I'm saying you.
01:33:28.000 Do you think he's wrong for that?
01:33:29.000 No.
01:33:30.000 Well, I don't think anybody's wrong for anything.
01:33:31.000 I told you I think you should be able to talk mad shit on the football field, too.
01:33:34.000 But you said the people who do that are a douchebag.
01:33:36.000 Yeah, they are douchebags.
01:33:37.000 Oh, yeah, he was definitely a douchebag to Joe Frazier.
01:33:39.000 He was 100% a douchebag to Joe Frazier.
01:33:41.000 He used to bring a gorilla, a rubber gorilla.
01:33:44.000 During the time of the 50s and the 60s, rather, where you're dealing with...
01:33:48.000 This is when they grew up.
01:33:49.000 Ali and Frazier grew up during the worst racial time in all of history.
01:33:54.000 And Muhammad Ali in the history of this country.
01:33:57.000 1860 was probably worse than 1960. It's pretty bad.
01:33:59.000 I mean, as far as the turn of the times, the dealing with Martin Luther King, all the race riots, civil rights struggles.
01:34:09.000 Yeah.
01:34:28.000 And he's hitting this gorilla doll, saying that he's a big, ugly gorilla Joe Frazier.
01:34:33.000 And he's setting Joe Frazier up to be like this Uncle Tom with the white man champion that doesn't question anything.
01:34:42.000 He savaged that guy's reputation.
01:34:45.000 He destroyed that guy's mind.
01:34:47.000 Joe Frazier hated him forever.
01:34:49.000 And they could have just fought.
01:34:51.000 They could have just fought.
01:34:52.000 He could have left all that racist shit out of there.
01:34:55.000 Could have left all that Uncle Tom shit out of there.
01:34:56.000 He chose to do that.
01:34:57.000 Was he a douchebag?
01:34:58.000 Look, man, I'm just an observer watching a guy live his life.
01:35:01.000 But he was definitely a douchebag to Joe Frazier.
01:35:03.000 Joe Frazier was pretty open about it.
01:35:05.000 He hated that motherfucker for a long time because of that shit.
01:35:07.000 He used to make fun of him even when he had Parkinson's and all the other shit about that.
01:35:11.000 Oh, yeah.
01:35:12.000 Yeah, Joe Frazier, he taunted Muhammad Ali shaking and all that stuff.
01:35:15.000 I mean, he was upset for a long-ass fucking time.
01:35:18.000 And when he knocked Muhammad Ali down with that left hook and won that fight, that first fight, make no mistake about it, a lot of people were fucking happy that Muhammad Ali, the draft-dodging black man who talks all that shit, got beat and lost his title to the guy who's like a good family man who,
01:35:33.000 you know, goes to church allegedly.
01:35:36.000 Yeah, he's a fighter.
01:35:36.000 He's a fucking...
01:35:37.000 They're all crazy.
01:35:38.000 Every fight is crazy.
01:35:40.000 You know, you're fucking throwing bones at a man for a living.
01:35:42.000 You know, that's a nutty way to get by.
01:35:44.000 But he was the preferable one because he was much more humble and wasn't this guy.
01:35:49.000 You know, I shook up the world.
01:35:50.000 He wasn't that guy.
01:35:51.000 He was a different guy.
01:35:52.000 He was just a tough guy from the streets of Philadelphia.
01:35:55.000 It's a totally different situation.
01:35:57.000 But people definitely hated Ali because of his talking shit.
01:35:59.000 They always hate guys who are confident.
01:36:01.000 There's always going to be people that want to chip you down when you're that confident.
01:36:05.000 Is Anderson Silva coming back?
01:36:07.000 Who knows, man.
01:36:08.000 It's a hard injury to come back from.
01:36:10.000 You tell me.
01:36:10.000 Is he going?
01:36:12.000 I don't know.
01:36:12.000 Any predictions?
01:36:13.000 You know, I would have no idea.
01:36:15.000 First of all, I'm not a doctor.
01:36:16.000 Second of all, I don't know what's going on in his head.
01:36:19.000 You know, you get the psychology of a guy who loses twice in devastating fashion like that.
01:36:25.000 Once by catastrophic injury in a fight that he's quite honestly losing.
01:36:30.000 He lost that first round in a pretty big way.
01:36:32.000 He was losing.
01:36:32.000 He was losing that fight.
01:36:33.000 In a big way that first round.
01:36:34.000 And that guy was gaining on him.
01:36:36.000 That guy's a scary guy like Chris Weidman.
01:36:37.000 He's a fucking beast.
01:36:39.000 And he beat Anderson twice.
01:36:41.000 I saw some videos of him fighting other people.
01:36:43.000 He's a monster.
01:36:44.000 He's a monster.
01:36:45.000 He's a really tough wrestler who grew up getting his ass kicked by his brothers.
01:36:49.000 Those are the most dangerous motherfuckers.
01:36:51.000 The youngest kids of a family full of savages.
01:36:55.000 Dad was like a pro football player.
01:36:56.000 All stud athletes.
01:36:58.000 House full of stud athlete dudes.
01:36:59.000 You have to be tough as fuck to be the young brother.
01:37:01.000 They probably broke a bone of his or two growing up.
01:37:04.000 He dropped a metal plate on his head.
01:37:06.000 He was relaying all the different times he was bullied by his brothers.
01:37:09.000 And what happened?
01:37:10.000 They created a guy who gives zero fucks and will punch your face in.
01:37:14.000 I mean, that's what he is.
01:37:15.000 And Anderson Silva just couldn't hang with that two times in a row.
01:37:18.000 All the showboating and all that stuff aside.
01:37:20.000 He was showboating the first time during the first fight.
01:37:23.000 He was, but one of the reasons why he was showboating is because he was getting smashed when he took him down.
01:37:27.000 He wanted Weidman to keep that fight standing where he has the best advantage.
01:37:31.000 Because Weidman took Anderson to the ground early in the first round and Hit him with some vicious ground impact.
01:37:37.000 Stung him, rolled his eyes back in his head.
01:37:39.000 He hit him with a couple hard shots.
01:37:41.000 One very clean right hand that without a doubt Anderson saw some sparks.
01:37:45.000 Without a doubt.
01:37:46.000 And he knew that that was a real dangerous position.
01:37:49.000 He couldn't hold this guy back for very long.
01:37:51.000 Holding on to him on the ground is tough.
01:37:53.000 He's too strong.
01:37:54.000 He's too good of a wrestler, and he hits too hard.
01:37:56.000 So his best chance was to get this guy to stand up with him.
01:37:59.000 So he started getting cocky with him, talking shit, trying to get into his head.
01:38:02.000 And that's what actually cost him.
01:38:04.000 What cost him was him not fighting like a martial artist, was him being like a guy trying to play psychological warfare.
01:38:11.000 Instead of just fighting with perfect technique, he got the guy to stand up with him If he can keep that fight standing, he should have the advantage.
01:38:18.000 He's much faster.
01:38:19.000 His technique is about as good as it gets in all the land.
01:38:22.000 There's no better stand-up striking technique than Anderson Silva's.
01:38:25.000 But in goading that guy into an ego battle, he took some chances.
01:38:29.000 And then he got cracked.
01:38:31.000 So I don't know if he's coming back, man.
01:38:33.000 Those are two big losses.
01:38:34.000 You know, I mean, he says he wants to.
01:38:36.000 And he's not in...
01:38:38.000 He's towards the end of his career, not towards the beginning.
01:38:41.000 Allegedly.
01:38:42.000 Right.
01:38:42.000 You know, some guys can stretch that shit out.
01:38:44.000 What's crazy is guys like Bernard Hopkins, who are 10 years older than him, and Bernard Hopkins has one of the light heavyweight titles in boxing.
01:38:50.000 He's a 175-pound champion, and he's almost 50 years old.
01:38:54.000 I mean, no one's ever done that before.
01:38:55.000 But Bernard Hopkins fights exactly the opposite of Anderson.
01:38:59.000 He's very safety, technique-oriented.
01:39:02.000 If you watch how Bernard fights, he's a master.
01:39:05.000 I like him.
01:39:06.000 He's a master with his footwork.
01:39:08.000 He's a master of positioning.
01:39:09.000 He's always in a good place.
01:39:11.000 You're always in a bad place.
01:39:12.000 He's just been around for so long.
01:39:15.000 And he knows how to get guys out of their head, but the way he gets guys out of their head is he fights rough with them.
01:39:20.000 He gets dirty with them.
01:39:21.000 He pulls on their heads a lot.
01:39:22.000 He leans on them.
01:39:23.000 He fights rough.
01:39:24.000 He fights real rough, and he'll force a boxer to get into these clinch wars with him.
01:39:29.000 Almost like an MMA fight, where he wears the guy's arms out and makes him too tired to punch.
01:39:34.000 He did that to a lot of dudes.
01:39:36.000 He did that to Felix Trinidad.
01:39:37.000 He fucked Felix Trinidad up.
01:39:39.000 Yeah, I remember that.
01:39:39.000 A lot of people didn't see him winning.
01:39:41.000 He was an underdog.
01:39:42.000 He stepped on a PR flag and all that.
01:39:43.000 They had a green light on him in New York.
01:39:45.000 I remember that, of course.
01:39:47.000 Mad Puerto Ricans were like, yo, green light on that nigga.
01:39:49.000 They were literally going to put a spear through his heart when he came up here.
01:39:54.000 He squashed all that, apparently.
01:39:56.000 I don't know how, but...
01:39:58.000 I'll just let it know.
01:39:59.000 Once upon a time, it was very real.
01:40:02.000 Back in the 90s, if you had beef with a Puerto Rican, you had beef with a million of them.
01:40:08.000 It was the 2000s that he fought Tito Trinidad.
01:40:12.000 I don't remember the exact year.
01:40:13.000 No, it was literally 2000. Was it?
01:40:17.000 Remember the Jerry Seinfeld thing?
01:40:19.000 He had beef with the Puerto Ricans.
01:40:20.000 Jerry Seinfeld did?
01:40:22.000 Yeah, what was it over?
01:40:23.000 It was over the PR parade.
01:40:24.000 They had an episode where they...
01:40:27.000 Yeah, they were making fun in a parade or something.
01:40:30.000 Then people were calling it racist and all this other stuff.
01:40:32.000 But yeah, he had to squash the beef with the Puerto Ricans.
01:40:35.000 Dude, it was right after September 11th.
01:40:37.000 It was actually September 29th, 2001, in Madison Square Garden.
01:40:42.000 Crazy.
01:40:43.000 Yeah, he stepped on the flight.
01:40:44.000 He apologized afterwards, he said.
01:40:45.000 They actually had to move it, because it was supposed to be September 15th, and that was right after September 11th.
01:40:51.000 It was in Madison Square Garden?
01:40:53.000 Yep, and so they moved it to September 29th.
01:40:55.000 Wow, that's crazy.
01:40:56.000 He beat the shit out of Felix Trinidad.
01:40:58.000 I remember that fight.
01:40:59.000 That was a masterful boxing performance.
01:41:00.000 Masterful.
01:41:01.000 No, I remember that fight.
01:41:02.000 It was genius.
01:41:03.000 And then he fought Kelly Pavlik, and that was another genius performance.
01:41:07.000 I mean, that was another fight where it was a dangerous fight against a real knockout puncher, and he just boxed circles around that kid.
01:41:13.000 He's just so technical, man.
01:41:14.000 So who's going to fight the...
01:41:17.000 The Weidman dude now.
01:41:18.000 Well, Weidman's going to fight Vitor Belfort.
01:41:20.000 Yeah?
01:41:21.000 Yeah, that's an interesting fight.
01:41:22.000 Well, it's also interesting because there's a real controversy regarding testosterone use.
01:41:27.000 Because Vitor has a testosterone use exemption.
01:41:30.000 And he's been fighting in Brazil, apparently has low testosterone.
01:41:34.000 So they give him the license to take testosterone, like, all the time.
01:41:39.000 So he's essentially taking hormones, taking male hormones, and Weidman is not.
01:41:44.000 So Weidman is fighting completely naturally with no enhancement whatsoever, just being a young guy with normal high key levels.
01:41:50.000 But they use supplements and all kinds of other shit.
01:41:52.000 Maybe.
01:41:53.000 I don't know what it uses.
01:41:54.000 Some guys don't use shit.
01:41:55.000 There's some guys that fight in the UFC that don't use a goddamn thing.
01:41:58.000 They just eat healthy food and drink a lot of water, and that's it.
01:42:00.000 There's quite a few guys who do that.
01:42:02.000 Some guys take a variety of different muscle-enhancing supplements.
01:42:07.000 There's testosterone boosters that are legal.
01:42:10.000 There's one that on itself is called T+. It's showing that people like weightlifters were showing that it's increased their ability to lift weights in double-blind placebo studies where you're not using essentially a giant group of people.
01:42:23.000 They don't know what they're using.
01:42:24.000 And the people that were using T-plus got higher improvement in their weightlifting.
01:42:29.000 So there's a few things that you can do, but for the most part, most of the guys that get on it, they get on the synthetic form.
01:42:35.000 They get on the synthetic form of testosterone.
01:42:38.000 So there's like a few different T-plus, and there's a couple other test boosters, and there's a few roots that are supposed to work, like tribulus is supposed to have a small effect, and there's another, what is it, long jack?
01:42:52.000 Cat or something like that.
01:42:53.000 I forget.
01:42:54.000 There's another one that's supposed to have some sort of an effect.
01:42:56.000 But for the most part, it doesn't have anywhere near the effect that actually taking testosterone will have.
01:43:03.000 So these guys take it, and Vitor is taking it, and there's a dispute as to whether or not he's going to get licensed in Las Vegas.
01:43:11.000 And if he doesn't get licensed to use testosterone, then he has to get off of the testosterone and then fight Weidman.
01:43:18.000 And if that happens, man, that's going to be really fascinating because his hormone levels are going to be all fucked up.
01:43:23.000 If he's used to taking an extra natural form of testosterone, injecting it into his system, and then he stops doing it, his body's going to have a much lower level of testosterone in his training camps than even normally a regular person would.
01:43:39.000 A normal human being, he would have much lower.
01:43:40.000 It'll drop off, yeah, because his body's been used to getting it externally.
01:43:43.000 His body's not producing it anymore.
01:43:46.000 So it's really interesting.
01:43:47.000 They'll have to kickstart his body's production of testosterone, which is like, wow, that's crazy.
01:43:52.000 So it's controversial in that respect, but skill-wise, it's a very dangerous fight for both guys.
01:43:59.000 Weidman is a fucking beast, but goddamn Vitor Belfort looks scary as shit lately.
01:44:03.000 He took out Dan Henderson in the first round.
01:44:05.000 He took him out in a way that no one's ever taken Dan Henderson out like that.
01:44:09.000 His striking is just horrific.
01:44:12.000 It's very, very scary.
01:44:13.000 I went to a mixed martial arts competition, but it was a local one that one of my friends was supposed to fight in, but he got injured, and so he didn't fight at the end, but I ended up watching it.
01:44:24.000 And it was actually pretty interesting.
01:44:25.000 It was like in Long Island.
01:44:28.000 And it was like a small gym.
01:44:30.000 It was full of like a few hundred people.
01:44:32.000 But it was really interesting.
01:44:33.000 Like I saw the difference in kind of how they run those local spots.
01:44:39.000 And now I've never actually been to one of those big MMA things.
01:44:42.000 Tell me when you want to go, man.
01:44:43.000 I'll hook it up.
01:44:43.000 Tell me when you want to go.
01:44:44.000 You heard it.
01:44:46.000 You heard it here.
01:44:47.000 That's jiu-jitsu.
01:44:48.000 You just give me a day.
01:44:49.000 Just tell me which one you want to go to and we'll hook it up.
01:44:51.000 No, I definitely want to see it, man.
01:44:52.000 You gotta come.
01:44:53.000 What are you doing February 22nd?
01:44:55.000 Holy shit.
01:44:56.000 That's my birthday weekend.
01:44:58.000 Vegas.
01:44:59.000 There it is.
01:45:00.000 There it is.
01:45:01.000 There it is.
01:45:01.000 Come on, dude.
01:45:02.000 There it is.
01:45:02.000 What were you planning on doing?
01:45:04.000 This?
01:45:04.000 This is what he's doing.
01:45:05.000 You see that feeling?
01:45:07.000 That's the feeling you get when you're anticipating a hangover.
01:45:10.000 That's what you just did.
01:45:12.000 What's the one after that, just in case?
01:45:14.000 Well, there's a big one in Dallas after that.
01:45:16.000 A huge one.
01:45:17.000 It's for the welterweight title, and it's at Dallas Cowboy Stadium.
01:45:20.000 So that's a gigantic event.
01:45:22.000 You can go to that one if you want.
01:45:23.000 That one, I'll give you the exact date of that.
01:45:26.000 That is...
01:45:28.000 That's in March, I think it's March, I want to say 15th, but hold on a second, I'll tell you in one second.
01:45:32.000 Is it March 15th?
01:45:33.000 Yeah, that one is going to be gigantic.
01:45:36.000 That is 50,000 people, man, in Dallas, at Dallas Cowboy Stadium.
01:45:41.000 That's probably the best one to go to, because it's going to be historic.
01:45:44.000 That's the title fight?
01:45:45.000 Yeah, it'll be a new crowning of the welterweight championship because George stepped down.
01:45:49.000 George St. Pierre stepped down.
01:45:50.000 And so the guy who I thought won the decision, Johnny Hendricks, I thought it was a bad decision.
01:45:55.000 And I'm a huge George St. Pierre fan, by the way, of him as a person and as a fighter.
01:45:59.000 But I thought, with all honesty, that the decision was incorrect.
01:46:03.000 I thought Johnny won three rounds to two.
01:46:04.000 So he's going to take on Robbie Lawler.
01:46:06.000 So that'll be the new UFC welterweight champion.
01:46:10.000 Dude, you gotta come to that.
01:46:11.000 So he vacated the title and now they're gonna brawl out.
01:46:15.000 Yes, and there's also Carlos Conda is fighting Tyron Woodley, which is fucking madness and chaos.
01:46:21.000 That's gonna be an insane fight.
01:46:24.000 That's an insane, insane fight.
01:46:26.000 There's a lot of insane fights.
01:46:27.000 Diego Sanchez is fighting Miles Jury.
01:46:30.000 That is a great fucking fight.
01:46:31.000 Miles Jury is a beast.
01:46:32.000 Real tough young kid.
01:46:34.000 And Diego Sanchez is the definition of the word savage.
01:46:38.000 And this Cuban motherfucker, Hector Lombard, you ever seen him fight?
01:46:41.000 Nah.
01:46:42.000 I heard of him.
01:46:43.000 Holy shit is he scary.
01:46:44.000 I heard of him.
01:46:45.000 God damn it!
01:46:46.000 He's a monster?
01:46:47.000 He's a monster, dude.
01:46:49.000 He's an Olympic judoka, judo specialist who doesn't even use his grappling, just knocks people the fuck out.
01:46:55.000 He's a super athlete.
01:46:57.000 And yeah, he just fought Nate Marquardt and put him away in the first round in a mugging.
01:47:02.000 And Nate Marquardt's the former Strikeforce champion, and Lombard just mugged him.
01:47:06.000 At 170, he's terrifying.
01:47:08.000 He fought his whole career at 185. He was the Bellator champion at 185 pounds, but dropped down to 170, and he's just like a muscle.
01:47:15.000 I mean, the dude has like 6% body fat, and just...
01:47:18.000 Shredded.
01:47:19.000 Shredded spring of just corded steel.
01:47:23.000 And everybody just tries to get the fuck away from him.
01:47:25.000 Just throwing bombs at you.
01:47:27.000 The move that Weidman made.
01:47:31.000 Weidman.
01:47:31.000 Weidman, pardon me.
01:47:33.000 To the Weidman.
01:47:35.000 That's what I'm going to call him.
01:47:36.000 You the Weidman, homie.
01:47:37.000 I'm not going to say that.
01:47:38.000 I bet he's heard that.
01:47:39.000 No, no, I'm sure he's heard it a million times.
01:47:41.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:47:42.000 You know, people call me that before I break their fucking legs, homie.
01:47:45.000 He wouldn't say that.
01:47:45.000 He's a super nice guy.
01:47:46.000 No, he probably is.
01:47:47.000 He's a very nice guy.
01:47:48.000 Most things that I know that really, really got it like that, they don't ever start problems.
01:47:51.000 They just wait until the problems come to them, and they take care of them, and they keep them moving.
01:47:54.000 Well, the guy he's fighting is a super nice guy, too.
01:47:56.000 Carlos Conant is fighting this guy, Jake Shields.
01:47:58.000 He's a jiu-jitsu black belt.
01:48:00.000 He's a world-class grappler.
01:48:02.000 It's a real interesting guy.
01:48:03.000 The guy just beat Woodley in his last fight.
01:48:06.000 It's a very interesting, very interesting fight.
01:48:08.000 And what about this, uh, who's gonna fight, uh, John then?
01:48:11.000 John Jones?
01:48:12.000 John Jones is gonna fight, he's gonna fight in Baltimore, and he's gonna fight Glover Teixeira, who's the scariest motherfucker out of all the 205 pound contenders.
01:48:21.000 Glover is the fuckin' devil.
01:48:23.000 He's scary.
01:48:25.000 Everybody knows that Glover was on the sidelines for six months.
01:48:29.000 He had a visa issue and he couldn't get to the United States.
01:48:32.000 He was fucking people up in small shows because he was one of Chuck Liddell's training partners and he has been world-class.
01:48:38.000 Like, top of the food chain, world class, for almost a decade now.
01:48:42.000 Like, Sokuju, before Sokuju made this big splash in pride and was knocking, knocked out Little Nog, knocked out Ricardo Arona, before he did that, Glover Teixeira fucked him up in the WEC. But Glover had visa issues.
01:48:54.000 So for six years, everybody knew that Glover was, like, having real problems trying to fight in America, but he was fighting in Brazil.
01:49:02.000 And just beating the fucking shit out of people, man.
01:49:05.000 He's a beast.
01:49:06.000 What was the visa issue?
01:49:07.000 He was Brazilian.
01:49:09.000 And sometimes, you know, you have an issue getting the visa to fight America.
01:49:13.000 He didn't have the money.
01:49:14.000 He wasn't fighting for the UFC back then.
01:49:16.000 He was fighting for smaller organizations.
01:49:18.000 And, you know, you've got to have a visa before the UFC can even sign you.
01:49:21.000 It's funny because we're going to have a discussion later on today.
01:49:26.000 Down in, like, Chunking.
01:49:28.000 We have a talk about immigration, and we were discussing this specific issue about...
01:49:33.000 They were saying, oh, you know, it's the law.
01:49:35.000 All the critics are saying, oh, the law has to be enforced.
01:49:38.000 It's not just the law.
01:49:39.000 It's the law for poor people, because when you're rich, apparently...
01:49:42.000 Some of my friends that are lawyers that handle immigration cases, they'll tell me straight up, no, listen, there are rich families from...
01:49:51.000 Places in Asia, in the Middle East, that when they want to come here, they buy a green card.
01:49:55.000 And I was like, what do you mean buy a green card?
01:49:57.000 And they set up a company in order to employ certain people here.
01:50:03.000 It has to be a certain, it's like $200,000, $300,000.
01:50:06.000 And when they pay into it, they immediately are given green cards to manage the business here as long as they employ a certain amount of Americans.
01:50:12.000 But like you say, you know, he probably just didn't have the people backing him up.
01:50:16.000 Yeah, you gotta have mad cash to buy or make a fake company in order to get green cards, but it can be done.
01:50:22.000 $300,000?
01:50:23.000 Look, if you're a really wealthy man from Iceland and you wanted to come to America and get a green card, I'm sure it could be arranged.
01:50:31.000 And some, you know, guys got a billion Kunars or whatever the fuck their money is.
01:50:35.000 You know, whatever their money is over there.
01:50:37.000 But my friend Glover, this guy who's going to be fighting Jon Jones, who also...
01:50:42.000 I'm actually friends with Jon Jones.
01:50:44.000 I love that guy.
01:50:45.000 That's a tough fight.
01:50:46.000 Tough fight for both guys.
01:50:48.000 Glover is a beast.
01:50:49.000 But Jon Jones is a goddamn freak athlete.
01:50:51.000 He's a freak.
01:50:52.000 And I think Jon Jones is going to be ultra-motivated for this fight.
01:50:55.000 I felt like he learned something.
01:50:58.000 His last title defense was a tough fight against Gustafsson, who's a beast.
01:51:01.000 It was a great, great fight.
01:51:03.000 Really, really close fight.
01:51:04.000 Jon won that decision, and I think, you know, really realized he was in a war and is bearing down.
01:51:10.000 He's saying all the right things, and I think he's going to try to look to put on a show against this Glovercat.
01:51:15.000 But Glover is scary as fuck, man.
01:51:16.000 When are they going to fight?
01:51:18.000 They're going to fight in Baltimore in April.
01:51:20.000 Glover puts people to sleep, man.
01:51:22.000 He puts people to sleep with one punch.
01:51:24.000 He fought Ryan Bader and Ryan Bader hurt him.
01:51:26.000 Ryan Bader tagged him and wobbled him.
01:51:28.000 And as Ryan Bader moved in to close the show, Glover Teixeira shut his fucking lights off.
01:51:33.000 He's a monster, man.
01:51:34.000 He's been around a long ass time and he hits fucking hard.
01:51:39.000 We had his trainer...
01:51:41.000 John Hackleman was on the podcast.
01:51:43.000 He was talking about holding the mitts for this dude, and he's like, he hits you different.
01:51:48.000 And Hackleman, by the way, was a kickboxing champion.
01:51:51.000 Motherfucker's been around since the 70s, doing karate and Kempo and...
01:51:56.000 He's seen it all, and then some.
01:51:59.000 And he talks about Glover.
01:52:00.000 He's like, when this fucking guy hits you, you feel the knuckles through your hand.
01:52:04.000 You're holding the pads for him.
01:52:06.000 He's like, I've never felt it like that.
01:52:08.000 He goes, I've never had anybody punch me that hard.
01:52:11.000 He goes, not Chuck, not anybody.
01:52:12.000 And he goes, Chuck is a murderous puncher.
01:52:15.000 This guy punches even harder.
01:52:16.000 He's like, it's ridiculous, like Mike Tyson-style punching power.
01:52:20.000 He's like, if he hits you, you're fucked.
01:52:22.000 And he did that to Ryan Bader.
01:52:24.000 Ryan Bader tagged him, had him wobbled, covering up, and Ryan Bader moved in for the kill, and Glover just...
01:52:29.000 BOOM! Just dropped a haymaker on him, and you see his eyes go sideways, and his legs give out.
01:52:35.000 This motherfucker hits hard.
01:52:36.000 I saw a fight recently, I forget who it was, but one person was really wearing down this motherfucker's leg.
01:52:40.000 He was just working on the leg, beating the shit out of his leg, and then...
01:52:45.000 Just hit him with the overhand right.
01:52:49.000 Knocked dude out.
01:52:50.000 Well, there's been a few of those.
01:52:52.000 Was it a kickboxing match or was it an MMA fight?
01:52:55.000 It was an MMA fight.
01:52:56.000 Was it the UFC? I believe so.
01:52:58.000 It might have been Edson Barboza.
01:53:00.000 Edson Barboza is one of the most scary guys when it comes to leg kicks in the UFC. He's one of the top lightweights.
01:53:07.000 He's actually fighting Donald Cerrone.
01:53:09.000 That's coming up soon.
01:53:09.000 God damn, that's going to be a good fight.
01:53:11.000 I guess it's the American Airlines Center, Joe.
01:53:14.000 Dude, is there a lot of gambling at these events?
01:53:17.000 Oh yeah, in Vegas?
01:53:19.000 100%.
01:53:19.000 The one, if you want to come to the Vito Belfort-Chris Weidman fight, that's in May.
01:53:24.000 That's May 24th, if you want to come to that.
01:53:26.000 That's going to be in Vegas.
01:53:29.000 See, if they don't give Vitor a testosterone use exemption, I understand what everybody says.
01:53:34.000 It's not fair.
01:53:35.000 I understand the logic.
01:53:37.000 But if they don't give it to him, he really shouldn't be fighting for the title unless he can get his hormones back in order.
01:53:44.000 If he's been taking testosterone for a long period of time, I don't understand how his body is just going to start magically producing it again on its own.
01:53:51.000 Unless they figure out something that they give him that will kick start his production of testosterone.
01:53:56.000 But if that's the case, shouldn't he have been doing that in the first place?
01:53:58.000 So I don't know.
01:53:59.000 I mean, if the guy really does need testosterone, I hope they give it to him.
01:54:03.000 Because if they don't, he's not going to really be able to fight.
01:54:06.000 Right.
01:54:07.000 Not to the same level that he's going to be able to fight if he's on it, obviously.
01:54:10.000 Wasn't Mike Tyson taking, like, pills or mood-orienting pills when he fought Lennox Lewis?
01:54:16.000 Somebody told me this story.
01:54:17.000 He was on antidepressants.
01:54:18.000 Yeah, he was taking some sort of medication.
01:54:20.000 Yeah, that's happened before.
01:54:23.000 I saw him kiss him on his cheek and all.
01:54:26.000 He was trying to be nice to him.
01:54:27.000 He said, I love you.
01:54:29.000 He said, I love you.
01:54:30.000 You know, not to make fun of Mike Tyson, you know, he's a monster even now, but I'm just saying, when I look at that, I'm like, alright, how could he not have been affected by that?
01:54:38.000 You are mood-altering drugs, and now they're asking you to fight for your life, and then at the end of it, you put a flower in a nigga's hair, and then you kissed him on the cheek.
01:54:48.000 Yeah, I don't know what he was on when he fought Lennox, but I wouldn't be surprised, man.
01:54:52.000 He was high on drugs during major fights.
01:54:55.000 He definitely said that.
01:54:56.000 That he was doing coke all the time.
01:54:59.000 And he even used a fake penis to avoid detection.
01:55:04.000 He used one of those fake rubber penises.
01:55:06.000 He's a bad motherfucker, dude.
01:55:08.000 I love the fact that he comes out and just tells everything about everything that he did that was crazy.
01:55:14.000 It makes me more inclined to believe that he never raped that girl, first of all.
01:55:17.000 And it makes me more inclined to sort of forgive him for being so fucking crazy.
01:55:22.000 All the horrible things that he definitely did do.
01:55:25.000 It's like the guy was living a wild, reckless life.
01:55:27.000 He's telling you all he did.
01:55:29.000 He's opening up the door.
01:55:30.000 Like, this is all the shit I did.
01:55:31.000 I was doing coke and fighting people.
01:55:33.000 And people were like, oh, shit.
01:55:34.000 I used a rubber dick.
01:55:35.000 Like, damn.
01:55:36.000 Jesus Christ.
01:55:38.000 I think he's a classic story.
01:55:40.000 In my opinion, he's the greatest heavyweight champion of all time.
01:55:43.000 You think so?
01:55:44.000 Yes.
01:55:44.000 I put him at the top of the list.
01:55:46.000 I think for a brief moment in time.
01:55:48.000 People want to consider his whole entire career, towards the end, out of prison, after prison, post-prison.
01:55:53.000 But I think that before then, I think when he was in his prime, the guy that beat...
01:55:59.000 Larry Holmes.
01:56:00.000 I think the guy that beat Marvis Frazier.
01:56:03.000 I think that Mike Tyson is the greatest heavyweight boxer.
01:56:05.000 But he also had some old paper champion dudes that he fought and a bunch of them.
01:56:09.000 Obviously not the ones you mentioned.
01:56:10.000 And then the Razor-Ruddick fight was crazy.
01:56:13.000 Those people really gave him a run for his money.
01:56:15.000 He had to punish them as much as they were trying to punish him.
01:56:19.000 But for some of them...
01:56:21.000 For example, the Buster Douglas thing, he took that shit lightly.
01:56:24.000 He walked in like it was whatever, and it went over with some other fighters, but not with Buster Douglas.
01:56:29.000 Well, that was also post-prison.
01:56:30.000 He wasn't the same guy.
01:56:31.000 Right.
01:56:32.000 Wasn't it?
01:56:33.000 No.
01:56:34.000 No, no, no, I'm wrong.
01:56:35.000 Buster Douglas happened, then all the crazy shit happened, then he went to prison, right?
01:56:40.000 Then he lost his title.
01:56:41.000 Yeah, and then he came back, and then he came back and he fought Holyfield, and now those Holyfield debacles, those were fucking crazy when he bit Holyfield's ear.
01:56:48.000 That was all post-prison, you're right.
01:56:49.000 He was saying that Holyfield was head-butting him, which he does all the time.
01:56:54.000 He does.
01:56:54.000 When you go back and you look at all the tapes, he head-butts everybody.
01:56:57.000 But Tyson did it too.
01:56:58.000 I mean, they head-butted each other.
01:57:00.000 The point being that Tyson, like, didn't stay at the same level.
01:57:05.000 When Custom Auto died and then Kevin Rooney took over, I think he maintained that level for a little bit.
01:57:09.000 But I think that the fame and the fortune and the madness were too crazy.
01:57:14.000 When you have your own fucking lions...
01:57:16.000 When you're living in a gigantic 100 fucking room house and you bought 15 Bentleys for every person you've ever met, he's a madman.
01:57:26.000 You can't keep that up.
01:57:28.000 You got a bunch of freeloading ass people with you.
01:57:29.000 But I mean, again...
01:57:30.000 But I just think, I don't think you can keep it up.
01:57:32.000 But I think that when he was at his best, I think he only kept it up for a few years, like two years, three years, but I think during that time, he was the greatest of all time.
01:57:41.000 That's my personal opinion.
01:57:42.000 I don't think anybody ever sent shockwaves through the boxing world the way that guy did.
01:57:48.000 He emerged on the scene and just started starching people with fucking haymakers that came at the speed that Roberto Duran would throw them, yet it's coming from a guy who's 215 pounds and just launching motherfuckers into orbit.
01:58:02.000 That right hook to the body, right uppercut that would snap your fucking head back.
01:58:06.000 That uppercut, when I see the old YouTube videos of him fighting, That uppercut is the way he comes up.
01:58:13.000 I don't know how someone's jaw was intact after that.
01:58:16.000 He was ferocious.
01:58:17.000 But you can't keep it up forever, man.
01:58:19.000 It's redlining.
01:58:21.000 When you redline an engine, you go...
01:58:22.000 You get that bitch up to 9,000 RPMs, and then you gotta shift gears.
01:58:27.000 You have to.
01:58:29.000 And he didn't ever shift gears.
01:58:30.000 He redlined it to the end.
01:58:31.000 Somebody told me, we were having this discussion about music, and I went to the Berklee College of Music, and I was telling kids, listen, people don't generally get rich off of music.
01:58:42.000 What artists do is they take that nest egg of money that they do, or that they get from music, and they invest it wisely in something else.
01:58:50.000 The richest rappers, quote-unquote, Are people who have made some money in music and they say, you know what?
01:58:55.000 I'm going to start a construction company or a contracting company or I'm going to buy six waffle houses or I'm going to get a clothing company or whatever it is.
01:59:04.000 That's how they make their money.
01:59:06.000 What is the twilight for fighters, Joe?
01:59:08.000 Where do they fall back on?
01:59:10.000 Well, it depends on the fighter.
01:59:11.000 It depends entirely on the fighter.
01:59:13.000 Some guys become commentators like Chael Sonnen.
01:59:16.000 He'll eventually be a commentator for sure.
01:59:18.000 He is one now.
01:59:19.000 Rashad Evans is doing commentary now while he's fighting.
01:59:21.000 Bryan Stan retired.
01:59:22.000 He became a commentator.
01:59:24.000 Kenny Florian retired.
01:59:25.000 He became a commentator.
01:59:26.000 A lot of them are there.
01:59:27.000 And they're also becoming judges.
01:59:29.000 Ricardo Almeida is a judge in New York now, and a lot of them are coaches.
01:59:34.000 That's most likely the best path for them, especially the guys that still love the sport.
01:59:39.000 They still want to be around the sport.
01:59:40.000 Like Dwayne Ludwig is the coach of the year.
01:59:42.000 He won coach of the year.
01:59:43.000 Congratulations, my friend Dwayne.
01:59:45.000 He won coach of the year for 2013, rightly so, because he did a tremendous job of transitioning between being a great fighter to being an even better coach.
01:59:54.000 I mean, an amazing coach for this team alpha male.
01:59:56.000 He just changed that whole fucking team.
01:59:58.000 I mean, they're all striking at a very high level now, much, much higher than they were before.
02:00:03.000 So that's a good transition for Dwayne, and he's doing very well with that.
02:00:06.000 But some guys, they just quit and go into business.
02:00:09.000 Keith Jardine opened up a coffee company.
02:00:11.000 He's a caveman coffee.
02:00:13.000 That's Keith and my friend Tate, who also was a former MMA fighter.
02:00:16.000 They opened up a coffee company.
02:00:17.000 Some guys go into acting.
02:00:19.000 You know, Gina Gershon's like a famous actress now.
02:00:23.000 Gina Gershon.
02:00:24.000 Gina, goddammit, what's her name?
02:00:26.000 Gina Carano.
02:00:28.000 Gina Gershon's obviously a famous actress, too.
02:00:31.000 That was another rumor that Clinton fucked her, too.
02:00:33.000 That's why I've been following all this.
02:00:34.000 Oh, Jesus.
02:00:35.000 Clinton fucked everybody.
02:00:36.000 God, I love her.
02:00:37.000 Love him.
02:00:38.000 The last American presidential dickslinger, ladies and gentlemen.
02:00:41.000 Yeah, dude.
02:00:42.000 What was he?
02:00:43.000 They say he smashed out Liz Hurley?
02:00:45.000 Yeah.
02:00:46.000 There's a picture of them staring at each other, looking at each other's eyes, and you're like, oh yeah, for sure.
02:00:52.000 It's just too romantic, them looking at each other.
02:00:56.000 Wasn't it Tom Sizemore that was dry snitching?
02:00:59.000 Yes.
02:01:00.000 He was a dry snitch.
02:01:01.000 Yup, that dirty son of a bitch.
02:01:03.000 That nigga's a snitch.
02:01:04.000 He is.
02:01:04.000 That's what I said.
02:01:05.000 That's the first thing I said on the thread.
02:01:06.000 I said, what this tells me is that Tom Sizemore can't keep a fucking secret.
02:01:10.000 Dude.
02:01:11.000 Yeah, that's weak.
02:01:13.000 Come on, man.
02:01:14.000 And you're going to throw Bill under the bus?
02:01:16.000 There's the picture.
02:01:17.000 Come on, son.
02:01:19.000 Look at his eyes.
02:01:20.000 No one escapes that dick.
02:01:22.000 That dick is an octopus.
02:01:24.000 He comes out and grabs everything.
02:01:27.000 Look at her looking at him.
02:01:28.000 I mean, that is like a dominant, submissive picture.
02:01:31.000 If ever people were not touching, but one was encroaching.
02:01:34.000 Look at his body language.
02:01:35.000 He's leaning towards her.
02:01:37.000 Look at her.
02:01:37.000 Look at her left shoulder turn slightly away from him.
02:01:40.000 She wants to lay down right now.
02:01:42.000 Look at her.
02:01:43.000 Liz Hurley.
02:01:45.000 Two dirty, dirty, dirty people.
02:01:47.000 I love it.
02:01:48.000 I wish I was there.
02:01:49.000 I'd beat off in the corner.
02:01:50.000 I wouldn't say a word.
02:01:54.000 Slick Willie tearing it up.
02:01:58.000 I don't know how we got on that subject.
02:02:00.000 We were talking about Mike Tyson beating the fuck out of people.
02:02:05.000 That's just rude.
02:02:06.000 That's just rude.
02:02:07.000 The tits are tremendous.
02:02:08.000 You don't need to fuck up the picture by putting Hillary in there.
02:02:10.000 Get that picture down.
02:02:12.000 You don't need to fuck up all of our minds by thinking about the guilt that he must have suffered right after he nutted.
02:02:18.000 Not worth it, shit.
02:02:20.000 Oh, kiss her.
02:02:21.000 And she knows, she knows.
02:02:23.000 Zoom in on the shorty right there.
02:02:26.000 And the one in the back is like, yo, it's popping.
02:02:27.000 Yeah, look at her.
02:02:29.000 She fucking knows.
02:02:30.000 Oh my God, look at that woman.
02:02:31.000 Oh, wow.
02:02:33.000 Yeah, not her.
02:02:33.000 That's George Washington.
02:02:36.000 It is George Washington!
02:02:37.000 What the fuck is that guy doing?
02:02:39.000 They play dress up.
02:02:40.000 Look, Paul Revere is right behind him to his right.
02:02:42.000 Look at this, Paul Revere.
02:02:43.000 Paul Revere.
02:02:44.000 Look at that woman.
02:02:45.000 That woman's a hater.
02:02:47.000 No, the woman right there.
02:02:48.000 Get up to her.
02:02:49.000 Look at that face.
02:02:49.000 She knows.
02:02:50.000 She knows.
02:02:50.000 That is the classic hater face.
02:02:53.000 She got the dick I didn't.
02:02:55.000 She definitely knows that something's going on under the table.
02:02:58.000 That woman, as soon as they got in their car, her and her husband, she was like, that motherfucker, did you see the way he kissed Elizabeth Hurley?
02:03:04.000 Oh, he's such a pig.
02:03:06.000 I despise him.
02:03:07.000 Rush Limbaugh's right.
02:03:09.000 Look at him.
02:03:10.000 Disgusting.
02:03:11.000 You know what's funny though?
02:03:12.000 When I heard about this, it was so interesting that I heard conservatives come out the woodwork.
02:03:18.000 Who was it?
02:03:19.000 I think it was Rand Paul was like, oh man, this is terrible.
02:03:22.000 The president should apologize.
02:03:23.000 But wait a minute, homie.
02:03:25.000 Where were you when Newt Gingrich was running for office?
02:03:28.000 Because didn't he drop his wife and then deal with another woman and then deal with another woman?
02:03:32.000 I mean, isn't that the...
02:03:35.000 The benchmark of men that are in power.
02:03:37.000 They're just looking to play gotcha.
02:03:39.000 All these shitheads are just using that like it's points on a board.
02:03:42.000 Like nobody ever fucked nobody.
02:03:44.000 They scored on you.
02:03:45.000 They caught you, they scored on you.
02:03:46.000 They got points now and they're just gonna use those points to try to shut you down and build them up.
02:03:50.000 But it all just makes everybody look like a bunch of bitches.
02:03:53.000 Because if that was going on amongst your friends, let's say if there was ten of your friends, And one of your friends was not particularly happy with his wife's relationship, and so he started banging Elizabeth Hurley.
02:04:03.000 And all you guys found out about it...
02:04:05.000 I wouldn't dry snitch, I wouldn't play Tom Sizemore, I'll tell you that.
02:04:09.000 If you went out and you snitch, no one would want to hang out with you anymore.
02:04:12.000 Right.
02:04:13.000 They'd be like, what the fuck, Tech?
02:04:14.000 Come on, man.
02:04:15.000 But who's going to party with Tom Sizemore now?
02:04:17.000 Not me, I'll tell you that, Tom.
02:04:19.000 Go fuck yourself, pal.
02:04:21.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.
02:04:23.000 Non-secret-keeping motherfucker.
02:04:26.000 I met Tom Sizemore.
02:04:27.000 He's a cool dude.
02:04:28.000 That's why I was shocked.
02:04:30.000 I did a show called The List and he came on and it was like a thing for VH1. It was pretty cool, man.
02:04:36.000 I think it was him and Rob Halford from Judas Priest were on the same show.
02:04:40.000 Did he know or was he secretly being recorded?
02:04:44.000 Oh, I don't know, man.
02:04:45.000 I don't know.
02:04:46.000 You know, I don't know if he even really said it.
02:04:47.000 I'm just talking shit.
02:04:48.000 Like I said, I met the guy.
02:04:49.000 He's a nice guy.
02:04:50.000 Oh, supposedly he said it in some interview or something like that.
02:04:52.000 Yeah, allegedly.
02:04:53.000 That's what everyone's saying.
02:04:54.000 There's a picture of him.
02:04:55.000 Look, man, the dude also did a lot of drugs.
02:04:57.000 He probably is not thinking so good.
02:04:59.000 Like, his judgment's quite suspect.
02:05:02.000 He's not the kind of guy you would want to have some information.
02:05:04.000 If Tom Sarsmore finds out dead, Vince Foster style, on a hill, with a gun attached to his dog, and no blood at the scene of the crime.
02:05:13.000 Super ugly.
02:05:15.000 The Strange Death of Vince Foster is a fantastic book.
02:05:18.000 You want to talk about a weird death that appears to be murder.
02:05:21.000 This was during the Clinton administration.
02:05:23.000 There was a guy named Vince Foster.
02:05:25.000 He knew some things about some things, and a bunch of people knew some things.
02:05:29.000 Vince Foster might have been a liability.
02:05:32.000 He wound up dead holding onto the gun in his hand with the thumb still on the trigger, which they say never happens.
02:05:39.000 They say that when someone shoots themselves and you commit suicide, your hand goes...
02:05:43.000 The gun just goes flying.
02:05:44.000 You don't hold on to the gun.
02:05:46.000 The violence of a gun.
02:05:48.000 If you've ever shot a gun, you know the guns have a kick.
02:05:51.000 Well, if you're not conscious, you're not going to hold on to that gun.
02:05:55.000 And see where Vince Foster has his thumb trapped, holding on to the gun?
02:06:01.000 He's also lying down in an area where there was no blood.
02:06:05.000 There's more blood missing from his body than was at the scene of the crime.
02:06:09.000 His body was moved.
02:06:10.000 Somebody moved him there.
02:06:11.000 Doesn't mean that he didn't kill himself.
02:06:13.000 He still could have killed himself.
02:06:15.000 He could have killed himself with a gay lover, and the gay lover wanted to cover up his story, so he grabbed the body and dropped it off somewhere and put the gun in his thump.
02:06:21.000 Who knows?
02:06:22.000 And I'm just making that gay lover part up.
02:06:24.000 I don't know why I went there.
02:06:25.000 Because you've been staring at two of those images that Brian Redman keeps bringing up with fucking Greek shit.
02:06:31.000 Whatever the reason was.
02:06:32.000 Don't cue that, please.
02:06:33.000 Or whoever killed him.
02:06:34.000 Whoever killed him, it's most likely that whether he killed himself or somebody else killed him, they moved his body and they put a gun in his thumb.
02:06:43.000 It just doesn't add up.
02:06:45.000 It's a strange case because that's when the Whitewater shit was going on.
02:06:50.000 Not Whitewater.
02:06:51.000 What was the land deal that the Clintons were involved in?
02:06:54.000 Whitewater.
02:06:55.000 They lost money on the deal, supposedly.
02:06:57.000 Wasn't Whitewater the Nixon shit?
02:06:59.000 No.
02:06:59.000 No, no, no.
02:07:01.000 Watergate was the Nixon shit.
02:07:02.000 All this water talk.
02:07:03.000 Water is a problem with presidents.
02:07:05.000 You know what's crazy?
02:07:06.000 I'll tell you a personal story.
02:07:07.000 When I was incarcerated, I was in Pennsylvania, and I was processed through an area.
02:07:13.000 And there was this district attorney named Ray Grekar.
02:07:18.000 He disappeared.
02:07:20.000 And I know the people who are watching from Pennsylvania, they know the story.
02:07:24.000 Shout to PA. And the crazy thing is that he literally, he was investigating the Sandusky thing.
02:07:31.000 Yeah, a lot of people don't know that they found his fucking laptop without a hard drive.
02:07:35.000 Right.
02:07:35.000 And he disappeared.
02:07:37.000 Gone.
02:07:37.000 Gone.
02:07:38.000 And the ASA that tried my case was then disbarred after like two, it was like maybe two or three cases after me for tampering with evidence.
02:07:50.000 Supposedly there was some shootout and like he had removed shell casings from the scene of the fucking crime.
02:07:55.000 How about that other judge in Pennsylvania that got accused of sending kids to jury homes?
02:08:00.000 He was selling children.
02:08:01.000 Sending kids to jail.
02:08:01.000 Selling them for money.
02:08:02.000 He made three million dollars over the course of fucking like...
02:08:06.000 Ten years.
02:08:07.000 Unbelievable.
02:08:07.000 That guy's a judge.
02:08:08.000 He's making sure that kids go to jail.
02:08:11.000 For paper.
02:08:12.000 Fuck.
02:08:13.000 For money.
02:08:14.000 Oh, God, that's crazy.
02:08:16.000 There's not a hole small enough or dark enough to shove him in.
02:08:18.000 No.
02:08:19.000 You gotta kill that guy.
02:08:20.000 That guy, they should put him in a corner and some parent.
02:08:23.000 You give a parent the gun.
02:08:24.000 And you go in, you shoot that fucking guy in the head, and you feed him to pigs.
02:08:28.000 That's it.
02:08:29.000 It's over.
02:08:30.000 You don't let that guy rot away and live in jail.
02:08:32.000 He chose to take children and put them in horrendous situations where you know they were sexually abused.
02:08:37.000 Right.
02:08:38.000 Or you know they were physically tortured.
02:08:40.000 100%.
02:08:40.000 And they could have been let free.
02:08:42.000 And they could have enjoyed their lives.
02:08:43.000 They could have got their shit together.
02:08:44.000 They could have been musicians or comedians or athletes or whatever the fuck they could have been without that hurt.
02:08:48.000 Horrific life experience that they were forced to endure because of a corrupt child.
02:08:52.000 Shoot that motherfucker right in the head.
02:08:54.000 Throw him in a box.
02:08:55.000 Let the rats eat him.
02:08:57.000 Throw him in the ground.
02:08:57.000 Let the worms digest his body.
02:09:00.000 Fuck him.
02:09:00.000 Fuck his tombstone.
02:09:02.000 No coffin.
02:09:03.000 Get in that hole, stupid.
02:09:04.000 Make him dig his own fucking hole and then shoot him right in the dick.
02:09:08.000 Fuck that piece of shit.
02:09:10.000 Fuck him, man.
02:09:11.000 Just throw him with the sharks.
02:09:12.000 The crazy shit is, though, that a lot of people never made that connection between his disappearance.
02:09:17.000 And it was only something recent that happened.
02:09:20.000 And still, they're not investigating it.
02:09:22.000 You're not hearing a word about it.
02:09:25.000 I think that area in PA is a little like that Steubenville situation, where it's all some local, good old boys type town.
02:09:34.000 I'll be honest, I heard rumors while I was there.
02:09:36.000 I can't confirm or deny them, and I won't say that they're true because I don't want to get sued.
02:09:40.000 But the reality is that I always heard rumors that the judges in that county, or that two of them in specific, would drive drunk all the time home.
02:09:49.000 I'm sure.
02:09:49.000 And every single day a cop would follow them so that if they veered too far off the road, he would take them out, put them in his car, drive it, and then come back and get his other car.
02:09:58.000 A hundred percent.
02:09:59.000 I wouldn't doubt it for a goddamn second.
02:10:14.000 It's ironic that people say, oh man, Technique, you make conscious music.
02:10:18.000 And I always remind them, being conscious doesn't imply that you're going to do anything.
02:10:22.000 It just means you know that something's wrong.
02:10:24.000 But I think that the consciousness of this society is much more aware.
02:10:28.000 All the divide and conquer shit that we were talking about in the beginning of the show, that's harder to do today.
02:10:33.000 Because I don't have a beef with Canada.
02:10:35.000 I don't have a beef with Mexico.
02:10:36.000 I don't have a beef with any part of the world.
02:10:38.000 I've met people in other places, and they've been just like me, and I've talked to people online.
02:10:43.000 But you travel, Joe.
02:10:44.000 That's different.
02:10:45.000 You see a lot of different people.
02:10:46.000 You're right, but I think that this connection that we're all experiencing online is a very different way of experiencing the world.
02:10:53.000 And that the divide and conquer is almost impossible now.
02:10:57.000 It's almost impossible as long as we can understand each other.
02:10:59.000 Now, let me ask.
02:11:00.000 If people, for example, they think that something's fake, they think something's not real, then they're upset about it.
02:11:06.000 Let's say people found out right now that The Super Bowl was staged just as much as something like wrestling would be.
02:11:14.000 Alright, now, the injuries are real.
02:11:16.000 Just like they say in wrestling, hey man, you know, the wrestling's fake, but the injuries are real.
02:11:20.000 You know, I think that people would be on a verge of ripping the place apart.
02:11:24.000 Well, you could fake, you could fix the Super Bowl, but to fake the Super Bowl would No, no, no.
02:11:29.000 Not fake.
02:11:30.000 But obviously to say, alright, we would be more inclined if this team won.
02:11:36.000 And I know people would say that's so impractical.
02:11:38.000 That could never happen.
02:11:40.000 The World Series has been accused of being fixed several times.
02:11:42.000 This is what you could do.
02:11:44.000 This is what has been done.
02:11:45.000 What they can do is they can hire referees and make sure that the referees are paid for and bought off and bribed.
02:11:52.000 And then, if there is a situation where a questionable call can be made...
02:11:57.000 Where they can call it one way or the other, especially before they used to use instant replays, right?
02:12:02.000 I mean, the instant replay thing clears up a lot of shit.
02:12:05.000 There's a lot of things that, I mean, if a ball's not in, a ball's not in.
02:12:08.000 If a dude's foot is out of bounds, a dude's foot's out of bounds.
02:12:10.000 If you're looking at the instant replay, there's not much you can say.
02:12:12.000 But before all that, man, goddamn, they must have rigged a lot of games.
02:12:17.000 Didn't basketball referees?
02:12:19.000 They got caught.
02:12:21.000 They got caught.
02:12:21.000 There was a fucking ring.
02:12:22.000 There was a ring to them.
02:12:23.000 Out of Philly, matter of fact.
02:12:24.000 And what was going on?
02:12:25.000 What was the story?
02:12:26.000 I think it was like 12 of them.
02:12:29.000 And they were all referees?
02:12:30.000 Yeah, and they had it for years.
02:12:31.000 They were just on the payroll.
02:12:33.000 Hilarious.
02:12:34.000 They were connected.
02:12:34.000 How they got caught is one of the bookies, they ended up tapping a bookie's phone, and so basically the bookies was paying them.
02:12:41.000 Unbelievable, man.
02:12:42.000 Well, it only makes sense when you think about the amount of money involved in gambling.
02:12:46.000 You know, that's the thought about fixed fights, too.
02:12:49.000 I mean, the real, the fixing fights is not like, you know, the champions paying you off to lose.
02:12:53.000 No, the fixing fights is someone wants to bet a fuckload of money.
02:12:58.000 A fuckload of money.
02:12:59.000 Like, here's a good example, and people have said, I'm crazy for thinking this, but Manny Pacquiao, when Manny Pacquiao fought Tim Bradley, Tim Bradley won that fight in no one's eyes, but maybe Tim Bradley's family...
02:13:13.000 And a couple of people at home that really hate Manny Pacquiao.
02:13:16.000 Most people saw Manny Pacquiao box his face off.
02:13:19.000 They saw him...
02:13:20.000 Not his face off, but he won that fight.
02:13:22.000 He won the fight.
02:13:23.000 In my opinion, it was a terrible, terrible decision.
02:13:25.000 But when you find out that someone voted...
02:13:28.000 That someone...
02:13:29.000 Like...
02:13:31.000 Put the scores in, and that same someone put the same, like, really ridiculous score in another fight where it doesn't make any sense.
02:13:38.000 And then you're watching over and over again.
02:13:40.000 You're seeing these scores that don't make any sense.
02:13:43.000 You're seeing these fights that most people thought one fighter clearly won.
02:13:47.000 And they have like two fighters or two judges will call it where it's, you know, one fighter's winning by like six, seven, eight rounds.
02:13:55.000 And then the other one makes it a draw.
02:13:57.000 And you're like, how the fuck could that be?
02:13:59.000 Well, the way it could be is because then it's not a majority decision.
02:14:02.000 And there's unanimous decisions, rather.
02:14:04.000 It's not a unanimous decision.
02:14:05.000 There's unanimous decision bets.
02:14:07.000 So you can bet...
02:14:09.000 A huge amount of money that Manny Pacquiao is not going to beat Timothy Bradley by unanimous decision.
02:14:14.000 You're going to bet that it's going to be a split decision.
02:14:18.000 And everybody's going to go, are you fucking crazy?
02:14:20.000 You really going to take that bet?
02:14:21.000 It's like X to one.
02:14:23.000 No one ever sees split decisions.
02:14:24.000 Well, if one judge is paid off, just one judge, all they have to do is say it's a draw.
02:14:29.000 And everybody else is like, what the fuck are you talking about?
02:14:31.000 What did you watch?
02:14:32.000 That wasn't a draw, but...
02:14:34.000 The guy who makes the money is the guy who paid off the referee to make it a draw, or the judge to make it a draw, and they win that bet.
02:14:42.000 Clean and simple.
02:14:43.000 The odds on the first scoring being a touchback were incredible.
02:14:49.000 The odds were super sick people got rich just off of that.
02:14:53.000 And, I mean, I don't know if it's possible that you could just rig that.
02:14:57.000 Is it possible?
02:14:58.000 That would be enough.
02:14:59.000 I mean, that would be enough.
02:15:00.000 Is that possible to rig?
02:15:02.000 Yeah, you pay the center off.
02:15:04.000 I mean, the center...
02:15:04.000 And so what does he do?
02:15:05.000 What does he have to do?
02:15:06.000 I mean, the center basically threw the ball over, you know, the quarterback's head.
02:15:11.000 Did he do it on purpose, you think?
02:15:12.000 I mean, he didn't do that the whole season, pretty much.
02:15:15.000 Would you do it for $10 million?
02:15:17.000 I mean...
02:15:18.000 But then you gotta account for that $10 million.
02:15:20.000 You gotta show why you have that $10 million.
02:15:22.000 Who's to say?
02:15:23.000 Maybe it's $10 million.
02:15:24.000 Cash is king in America.
02:15:27.000 They'll wash it to you.
02:15:28.000 Cash is king in America.
02:15:29.000 We all know that.
02:15:30.000 A truckload of pussy shows up at his house.
02:15:38.000 They lower that back door, like one of those aircraft carriers, where they lower the door and come out like saving pride.
02:15:45.000 Autogirls with keys come out.
02:15:47.000 Everywhere around the world.
02:15:53.000 Without a doubt, we know that judges have been paid off.
02:15:56.000 We know that referees have been paid off.
02:15:58.000 We know that there's corruption, whenever there's gambling.
02:16:00.000 I just think it's harder with fighters, because at the end of the day, a fighter trains and So harder on them.
02:16:06.000 It looks easier to do.
02:16:08.000 At least you can see it.
02:16:10.000 It's more obvious.
02:16:11.000 Joe, has someone got paid to throw a fight in MMA and UFC? Not in the UFC. I don't know.
02:16:16.000 I shouldn't say no.
02:16:17.000 I don't know of them.
02:16:18.000 But I do know of them in pride.
02:16:20.000 In fact, Eddie Bravo, they offered him a fight in Japan.
02:16:24.000 And they told him in no uncertain terms that they can make it so that he wins the fight.
02:16:30.000 And that they can make it so that he wins the fight any way he wants to win.
02:16:35.000 And he thought it was a double cross.
02:16:38.000 Eddie's like, what?
02:16:39.000 What are you talking about?
02:16:40.000 Are you going to fix the fight?
02:16:41.000 First of all, Eddie would never do that.
02:16:43.000 He would never compete in a fake fight.
02:16:45.000 He just wouldn't do it.
02:16:46.000 He wouldn't be able to live with himself.
02:16:47.000 I know him.
02:16:47.000 He would never do it, no matter how much money they paid him.
02:16:49.000 And if he did do it, he would tell people right afterwards, I did a fake fight.
02:16:53.000 He wouldn't be able to handle it.
02:16:54.000 He would say, look, man, I feel bad, but they gave me a half a million bucks.
02:16:57.000 I had to fucking do it.
02:16:58.000 And he would just joke around about how it happened.
02:17:00.000 He would never fake it.
02:17:01.000 But what they did was they came to him and they told him that.
02:17:04.000 So if that's the case, one of two things are going on.
02:17:06.000 Either it would be a double cross where he would go there thinking it was a fake fight and that dude would beat the shit out of him and he couldn't say nothing.
02:17:12.000 That's possible.
02:17:13.000 Or he could go there and the guy would lay down.
02:17:17.000 The guy would give up.
02:17:18.000 Or they would have what they would call a hard shoot.
02:17:20.000 Or a hard work.
02:17:23.000 And a hard work is you're sparring real hard.
02:17:26.000 The guy will kick you with some leg kicks.
02:17:28.000 If shit goes wrong, you could get your jaw broken.
02:17:31.000 You could get tagged and get knocked out.
02:17:33.000 And there's hard works where a guy loses that he's supposed to win because a guy got injured, because something went wrong.
02:17:39.000 Sometimes things happen.
02:17:41.000 But if you're skillful, you can make it look like a real fight.
02:17:44.000 And there's for sure that happened in K1. For sure that happened in Pride.
02:17:48.000 For sure, 100%.
02:17:50.000 I know there's some dudes that told me themselves that they threw fights.
02:17:54.000 They got paid a shitload of money, and they tapped out the Japanese dude.
02:17:57.000 They got caught in, like, heel hooks or something like that.
02:18:00.000 And the guy won, and he's a hero, and he's, like, a pro wrestler in Japan.
02:18:04.000 Without a doubt, there's been some fake fights.
02:18:05.000 And then he walks away with, like...
02:18:08.000 Yeah.
02:18:08.000 Million dollars and like whale blubber or something.
02:18:12.000 It's possible, man.
02:18:13.000 I mean, you could come up to some guy, you know, you could take some fighter who doesn't make that much money and if he doesn't have strong ethics and you say to him, hey man, look, we want to pay a lot of money down on you losing by submission to this dude.
02:18:24.000 Because, you know, the odds of him submitting you are really small.
02:18:27.000 So what I want to do is set it up so that, you know, he doesn't even have to know.
02:18:32.000 You just have to give him a submission.
02:18:33.000 Yeah.
02:18:34.000 So they would, you know, they would tangle and, you know, he would like give up an arm bar or something like that or give up his neck.
02:18:39.000 Shoot in on a double.
02:18:41.000 A real obvious double where you like literally lay in there for the guillotine and let the guy tap you.
02:18:45.000 That could happen.
02:18:46.000 I mean, it could also happen because a guy makes a brain fart and he forgets and he leaves his neck out there and a dude snatches it up and closes it on him.
02:18:51.000 But it could happen that you give your neck up.
02:18:54.000 And guys do give their neck up sometimes when they want out of a fight.
02:18:57.000 Chael Sonnen has publicly said that he had some issues with that in his career with pressure.
02:19:01.000 That he'd be in big fights and he wound up losing by submission.
02:19:03.000 It was like he felt like he gave them the submission.
02:19:06.000 Like he wanted out of there, he left an arm and the guy caught the arm bar.
02:19:08.000 Like he really felt like he just couldn't take the pressure.
02:19:11.000 Like a subconscious thing telling you...
02:19:14.000 I talked about that before about how there's a gentle complacency in failure.
02:19:28.000 Yeah.
02:19:41.000 Because it's like, alright, you know what?
02:19:42.000 I had a chance to do this, and now I don't have to feel the pressure of dealing with it.
02:19:47.000 Or, I found some measure of success, and that's all I really need to deal with.
02:19:51.000 I don't care about anything farther than that.
02:19:54.000 I got what I wanted to get out of this game, and that's it.
02:19:57.000 And if I happen to get tons of money, then fuck it.
02:20:01.000 Well, you know, there's some dudes that can definitely find a way to lose.
02:20:03.000 And that psychological burden of trying to get your shit together and win, sometimes it's too hard for people, so they almost look to lose to get it over with.
02:20:12.000 That's real.
02:20:13.000 Some people can't take pressure.
02:20:15.000 Pressure is a strange thing, and pressure of not knowing the future, the anticipation of something happening and not being able to control it, especially when it deals with physical violence, someone kicking your ass.
02:20:25.000 Some dudes just turtle up.
02:20:27.000 They turtle up, try to protect themselves, take a beating, and wait for the referee to pull him off.
02:20:30.000 It's happened before.
02:20:31.000 And then there's other guys that will never do that.
02:20:33.000 There's other guys that will fight with their last fucking breath.
02:20:36.000 That warrior code shit where they're just like, yo, you're going to have to drag me out of here.
02:20:41.000 Yeah, it's in their nature.
02:20:42.000 And then there's some guys that are just real intelligent.
02:20:44.000 If they start getting hurt, they'll start tapping.
02:20:46.000 You know, like George St. Pierre did that early in his career when he fought Matt Hughes.
02:20:50.000 Matt Hughes was, or excuse me, Matt Serra.
02:20:52.000 Matt Serra was fucking him up and he was like, whoa, this is, I gotta tap.
02:20:55.000 He was just getting mounted and pounded on.
02:20:57.000 He started tapping.
02:20:58.000 Didn't, you know, lost his title.
02:20:59.000 Lost his title to Matt Serra because he was getting fucking pounded on.
02:21:02.000 But he knew, he's like, I am way too hurt.
02:21:04.000 I'm not getting out of this one.
02:21:06.000 And this dude's going to put me to sleep.
02:21:07.000 And then it's going to be real bad if I don't tap.
02:21:09.000 Some guys don't do that.
02:21:10.000 Some guys rather go out.
02:21:12.000 Some guys rather get choked out.
02:21:13.000 They don't tap.
02:21:15.000 War Machine, he's going to be on the podcast Wednesday.
02:21:17.000 That fucking dude in his last fight, he got caught in a rear naked choke, decided not to tap.
02:21:21.000 Just went night-night.
02:21:22.000 Got choked unconscious.
02:21:24.000 The referee pulled the guy off of him.
02:21:26.000 That's what he said.
02:21:27.000 Hey, I'm never going to tap.
02:21:28.000 Like, that's it.
02:21:29.000 I'm fighting to my last breath.
02:21:31.000 And if you choke me out, you choke me out.
02:21:33.000 And that happens.
02:21:35.000 In fact, his last opponent did the same thing.
02:21:37.000 War Machine put him to sleep.
02:21:38.000 Got the guy in the rear naked, put him out.
02:21:40.000 Guy didn't want to tap, didn't want to lose.
02:21:42.000 That's what happens.
02:21:43.000 There's guys like that, and there's guys who just tap.
02:21:46.000 They go, you got me.
02:21:47.000 And then they go back to the drawing board.
02:21:48.000 It's hard to say who's more intelligent.
02:21:51.000 Because I admire the war machine approach, but I also admire the guy who realizes if I tap, I go back to the gym and I still have a right arm.
02:21:59.000 If I don't tap, my fucking arm gets snapped, then I have to go through rehab, they're going to put bolts in my arm, they're going to fucking have to put screws in there to keep the fucking thing together.
02:22:08.000 Torn ligaments, muscles.
02:22:09.000 It's going to be fucked for six months at least.
02:22:11.000 It might not ever be the same again, even when it heals up.
02:22:14.000 There's guys that have gotten injuries where they never came back 100%.
02:22:17.000 That's just part of the game.
02:22:18.000 That's part of reality.
02:22:20.000 So it's who's more intelligent?
02:22:23.000 Is the guy more intelligent that taps or the guy more intelligent that says, you know what, man, I'm going to figure out a way to win this fight even though I'm in a terrible situation.
02:22:31.000 And if he makes it, then he's a hero, and if he doesn't, he goes to sleep.
02:22:34.000 Well, most intelligent is probably the guy who's...
02:22:37.000 Bribing him to lose.
02:22:39.000 No, that's the least intelligent.
02:22:41.000 Walking away with like $20 million.
02:22:42.000 He's going to get in trouble.
02:22:44.000 He's going to get caught.
02:22:44.000 Oh, yeah.
02:22:45.000 Has he gotten caught yet doing that shit in the UFC? Has anyone got caught?
02:22:49.000 No.
02:22:49.000 Well, did you see that Russian snooker player who got busted for...
02:22:53.000 Snooker in, excuse me, English.
02:22:56.000 The Russian organized crime was bribing this snooker.
02:23:00.000 They called snooker.
02:23:02.000 Snooker player.
02:23:02.000 I was just out there.
02:23:03.000 And they wanted this guy to...
02:23:05.000 Missed shots.
02:23:06.000 They wanted him to miss shots.
02:23:07.000 Just, you know, because he's a really famous world champion player.
02:23:11.000 And I think it was Hurricane Higgins, let's say.
02:23:14.000 But it was a huge scandal because they loved their snooker in England.
02:23:18.000 Snooker?
02:23:19.000 Yeah.
02:23:20.000 Yo, I had a great time when I was out there.
02:23:23.000 I got to say, England to me reminds me of...
02:23:28.000 Like, the same type of enthusiasm that people had in, like, the 90s for hip-hop, where they're not afraid to boo somebody.
02:23:34.000 You know, you go to New York, you get, like, an obligatory clap that's just like, oh, it's like this tepid sort of loose, like, it's kind of like, you know, when your mom made you shake hands with your brother and you hated each other?
02:23:49.000 It's like, hey, shake hands with your brother!
02:23:51.000 Like, fuck this dude.
02:23:52.000 Shake hands with your brother, I'm gonna smack you in the fucking mouth, like...
02:23:55.000 Alright.
02:23:55.000 Thank you.
02:23:56.000 Here you go.
02:23:57.000 Thanks.
02:23:57.000 I love you, bro.
02:23:58.000 Yeah.
02:23:58.000 That thing where you can't wait.
02:24:00.000 You know what I mean?
02:24:00.000 But it's like the people in New York, yo, you go to like an underground hip-hop show or you go to some shit, they'll sit through an opener that they hate.
02:24:08.000 This is something I... Not that I love booing or something like that.
02:24:11.000 It's just...
02:24:12.000 It's funny to see people be like, I really don't want to be here.
02:24:15.000 Trying to be nice, Tech.
02:24:16.000 Isn't that okay?
02:24:17.000 Isn't it okay to be nice?
02:24:18.000 No.
02:24:20.000 I come from an era where they were like, get him off the stage!
02:24:24.000 Oh, it still exists.
02:24:26.000 Certain shows are like that.
02:24:28.000 There's a difference.
02:24:29.000 There's some people's fans that will not tolerate it.
02:24:31.000 Like, I saw someone waiting too long for someone to be on stage.
02:24:34.000 A random fan jumped.
02:24:36.000 He was waiting for Wu-Tang.
02:24:37.000 He jumped on the stage.
02:24:38.000 He was like, get Wu-Tang on here!
02:24:40.000 And the fucking opener was like, oh, hold on, man.
02:24:44.000 He goes, no, man.
02:24:45.000 You suck dick money.
02:24:47.000 And I was like, god damn.
02:24:48.000 Damn, yo, all that?
02:24:49.000 Just because he's trying to entertain y'all?
02:24:52.000 Why are these motherfuckers smoking weed in their back trying to get this set together?
02:24:55.000 What kind of shit is that?
02:24:57.000 But it happens all the time, yo.
02:24:59.000 But in England, I just feel like they just have a more...
02:25:03.000 Ruthless approach to it like I've seen people get booed the fuck off there.
02:25:06.000 They really are like enthusiastic about it.
02:25:09.000 You know I had a great time.
02:25:10.000 It's just weird because when I walk around there and I meet people they have no idea what I do if they don't know what I do.
02:25:17.000 I walked into a cab for example.
02:25:19.000 And this old man was like, what will you do for a living, sir?
02:25:23.000 You strike me as a type of man to be an entertainer, perhaps a singer or a rapper.
02:25:29.000 And I was just like...
02:25:30.000 I looked at him and I wanted to be like, you racist fuck.
02:25:33.000 What makes you think that I'm...
02:25:34.000 But then I thought about it for a second.
02:25:35.000 I was like, no, you know, actually I just teach middle-aged medieval history and the history of antiquity.
02:25:41.000 And the guy's like...
02:25:43.000 Really?
02:25:44.000 Why are you lying to that, dude?
02:25:45.000 No, no, no, because I studied with it for years.
02:25:48.000 So, I mean, I had a passion for learning about the past a few years ago where I really, really got into it.
02:25:54.000 So, technically, at some of the prison programs that I've done, I've taught...
02:25:59.000 The history of antiquity.
02:26:21.000 Is not put into a concrete form.
02:26:24.000 This could be someone's belief, but your belief doesn't necessarily signify that that's exactly what the world is.
02:26:31.000 It's just what you believe the world is.
02:26:32.000 You know, similar to the way people will flip a penny in the air, and they think, oh man, it's just 50-50, and then take the same penny and flick it across the ground.
02:26:40.000 And it's not 50-50, it's 80-20 that it's going to be tails, because the face of Lincoln is a fraction of a gram heavier than the actual monument on the back.
02:26:49.000 Or it was on the old copper pennies.
02:26:51.000 So it would fall similar to the way if you're holding a TV and spinning in a circle.
02:26:55.000 You're going to fall forward, not backward.
02:26:57.000 So that's what a lot of them are getting.
02:26:58.000 They think they're getting the 50-50 shot from the world, but you're not.
02:27:02.000 You're getting spun across the table from the moment you come out the womb.
02:27:04.000 You know, you're going to be in jail here, and then they're going to tell you, oh, we want to reintroduce you to society.
02:27:08.000 How are you going to be reintroduced to a society you were never part of in the first place?
02:27:12.000 But back to the point, this guy's like, you know, oh, you do.
02:27:16.000 I was like, I'm going to teach middle-age history.
02:27:18.000 He's like...
02:27:19.000 Antiquity, I was like, sir, you know what antiquity is.
02:27:22.000 You know, Rome, Babylon, Greece, Egypt.
02:27:25.000 He's like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
02:27:27.000 So I feel like he's tested me.
02:27:29.000 And this guy's like, in middle-aged English history, you say?
02:27:32.000 I'm like, yeah, you know.
02:27:33.000 I was like, he's like...
02:27:36.000 Whereabouts there?
02:27:37.000 I was like, you know, Essex, Wessex, Sussex, Kent, East Anglia, Mercia, Northumbria, which was divided in half along with Strathclyde when the Scottish king decided to pledge fealty to the British king and they, Dalradia and the rest.
02:27:53.000 Yo, so the dude's like, what did you get into that?
02:27:57.000 I said, what made you interested in that?
02:28:00.000 And I just looked and leaned over to him and I was like, you know, to be honest...
02:28:04.000 I was just really tired of motherfuckers mistaking me for some kind of singer or actor every time I stepped in some place.
02:28:09.000 So I wanted to get some new shit just to tell people.
02:28:13.000 And he seemed to be totally cool with it.
02:28:15.000 They got a great sense of humor out there.
02:28:17.000 I love it.
02:28:18.000 I'm a big fan of England.
02:28:19.000 I go there, like, I try to go there once every year or so and do stand-up.
02:28:23.000 That's a very unique crowd.
02:28:25.000 Very unique crowd over there.
02:28:26.000 Very smart, very well-read.
02:28:28.000 Real, cool people.
02:28:29.000 They heckle politely.
02:28:32.000 That's what I mean!
02:28:33.000 You see what I mean?
02:28:34.000 They heckle politely.
02:28:35.000 It's not like they want to be a dick, but it's just like, hey, I'll give you the alley-oop.
02:28:39.000 If you can throw it back in my face, I'll take it.
02:28:41.000 I'll be cool with it like that.
02:28:43.000 You know what I mean?
02:28:43.000 I like a good heckle, but it's hard to say.
02:28:47.000 What's a good heckle to somebody, because the people that suck at it are always going to suck at it.
02:28:50.000 They go, I'm going to get a good one this time.
02:28:52.000 No, you're not.
02:28:52.000 You're going to ruin the show.
02:28:53.000 Some people can be smart, and they know what to say at the right time, and it's funny.
02:28:57.000 And other people, they just ruin the whole thing.
02:28:59.000 But some people plant hecklers, don't they?
02:29:01.000 No.
02:29:02.000 Well, not that I know of.
02:29:03.000 Not that I know of.
02:29:05.000 I have never known a single comedian to ever plant someone in the audience and work off of them.
02:29:10.000 If I've heard stories of doing it, it's all been hearsay.
02:29:15.000 I've never heard of one person that plants a guy.
02:29:18.000 I think it would be so obvious.
02:29:20.000 I mean, people have had people in the audience as a part of a gag.
02:29:24.000 They've set things up.
02:29:25.000 Like Brian Holtzman used to always have People in the back of the whole audience ask him about his gay son.
02:29:30.000 It was like a gag.
02:29:32.000 It was a bit that he would do.
02:29:33.000 And we would always do, tell us about your gay son!
02:29:36.000 And he would go, sir, there's no need to talk about that right now.
02:29:39.000 But since it's been brought up, and they would tell this story about his gay son.
02:29:41.000 It's a fake, you know, just a bit.
02:29:43.000 But that would almost be like, that's like the closest plant in the audience I've ever heard of.
02:29:48.000 Have you ever heard anybody planting hecklers?
02:29:51.000 Yeah.
02:29:52.000 Who?
02:29:55.000 Let's see, who was that?
02:29:58.000 I'll think about it.
02:29:59.000 I know there's something I've heard of it before.
02:30:01.000 I've never heard, I don't know, I definitely, not a single one of my friends has ever done it.
02:30:04.000 But a good heckler will, or any good, bad, someone that heckles you in the right way actually gives you fuel as a comedian, don't they?
02:30:12.000 It makes you able to bounce off of stuff.
02:30:15.000 Depends on when they do it, because they could do it in the middle of a bit and it'll ruin a bit.
02:30:18.000 I mean, I've had guys yell something stupid out with totally the wrong timing, and people pile on them and smack them in the head.
02:30:24.000 I've seen violence break out because of hecklers.
02:30:27.000 People got tired of someone who keeps yelling shit out.
02:30:29.000 I mean, people throwing drinks at each other.
02:30:32.000 I've seen people throw chairs at each other because of hecklers.
02:30:34.000 For the most part, hecklers are cunts.
02:30:36.000 They're just annoying shitheads that need attention and don't deserve it.
02:30:39.000 I liked, I don't know if we played it the first time I was here, the Bill Hicks A response to the hecklers.
02:30:46.000 Oh, the woman was in the eyes.
02:30:48.000 Oh my god.
02:30:48.000 I've got carte blanche because I'm a cunt!
02:30:50.000 I got a cunt!
02:30:51.000 I got carte blanche!
02:30:52.000 I don't have a cock!
02:30:54.000 I can yell at performers!
02:30:56.000 Dude, I run into people like that.
02:30:59.000 God bless their hearts.
02:31:00.000 99% of the people at the shows that I do...
02:31:03.000 Are total soldier supporters.
02:31:05.000 And then there's like the 1% that they're just there to just fuck around and play these stupid little games.
02:31:13.000 I'm like, yo, please no flash.
02:31:15.000 And they're like, well, why not?
02:31:16.000 And I'm just like, listen, you take one flash photo a day, that doesn't bother you.
02:31:21.000 But if I get 800 of these fucking things every day, I'm gonna go blind tomorrow.
02:31:27.000 And they're like...
02:31:29.000 Well, can you just take mine then instead?
02:31:31.000 I was like, no, you're not understanding me.
02:31:32.000 You're going to turn the flash off or you're going to leave.
02:31:35.000 Oh, well, I'm like, okay, you're drunk.
02:31:38.000 It's the countdown to when my first name becomes fuck you.
02:31:42.000 Get this fucker out of here.
02:31:43.000 Leave.
02:31:43.000 And the security's not here to protect me.
02:31:45.000 They're here to protect you from me because when I flip out, I'm going to snap your neck like a breadstick.
02:31:51.000 This is all violent talk and I'm not really comfortable with it, especially in the confines of recounting a story that...
02:31:57.000 Poor drunk fan.
02:31:59.000 I'm trying to have a good time.
02:32:00.000 Joe, you never beat up a fan that got too crazy?
02:32:03.000 No, I've never beat up a fan.
02:32:03.000 You never beat up a fan that got too crazy?
02:32:05.000 No, I've never beat up a fan.
02:32:08.000 What about another comedian?
02:32:09.000 No, I've never beat up a comedian.
02:32:10.000 Never.
02:32:12.000 It doesn't have to go to that.
02:32:13.000 It's silly.
02:32:15.000 That's bullshit.
02:32:16.000 He's fucking lying.
02:32:17.000 Get the fuck out of here.
02:32:18.000 Get the fuck out of here.
02:32:19.000 I've never beat up a comedian.
02:32:21.000 I've never beat up a fan.
02:32:22.000 And I wouldn't do it.
02:32:23.000 This is stupid.
02:32:23.000 I mean, if I'm fighting someone, I'll defend myself.
02:32:26.000 No, but the point I'm trying to make is 99% of the people that come to the show is totally down, are totally cool.
02:32:31.000 Damn, if it's that little, there would be more...
02:32:33.000 That would be, like, if you had a 300-person show, there'd be three assholes.
02:32:37.000 Every 300-person show, there'd be three people screaming shit out.
02:32:39.000 It's more than 99%.
02:32:40.000 But you gotta understand...
02:32:42.000 Usually those people get kicked out in the middle of it.
02:32:45.000 Because, honestly, hip-hop shows, they have a lot of ejections.
02:32:49.000 Well, a lot of times on my shows, people get kicked out before I get on stage.
02:32:53.000 They'll be heckling the guys on before me, and the security at the venue will usually get rid of them before I get up there.
02:33:00.000 Do you bring your own openers to this stuff?
02:33:01.000 Yeah, always.
02:33:02.000 Always.
02:33:02.000 If you don't, you get stuck with shitty comedians, man.
02:33:05.000 You get stuck with dudes who will step on your material, too.
02:33:08.000 That's another thing that bad comics will do.
02:33:10.000 Even if they're not stealing, like say if you got a bit about Mike Tyson, they'll come up with a new bit about Mike Tyson and just do it right before you so the subject is already stale by the time it gets called stepping on your material.
02:33:21.000 We call it set tripping.
02:33:23.000 Oh, okay.
02:33:24.000 Like you trip on someone's set.
02:33:26.000 You take a piece of what they did on their set.
02:33:28.000 Maybe it won't be exactly the same thing, but you'll do the same call and response to the audience again and again, or you'll have a verse or a song about the same kind of thing, or you'll give an introduction or a speech about a song that has the same kind of connotation that somebody else will,
02:33:44.000 and then that person, then the headliner gets on, and the We're almost like, oh, well, we heard this already with the openers.
02:33:51.000 That was one of Mencia's tricks.
02:33:53.000 Mencia used to do that right before.
02:33:55.000 He would bring guys up.
02:33:56.000 He would do their best bits.
02:33:57.000 Like he did this dude, Johnny Sanchez, man.
02:34:00.000 He was a funny dude.
02:34:01.000 He had this great bit about Iranians being mad at him for parking in their parking spot and yelling at him in broken English.
02:34:09.000 He had this funny bit.
02:34:10.000 And Mencia, they were taping a TV show, Mencia was hosting it, and he just jacked his bit and did it right before him.
02:34:16.000 So there's this big closing bit, and the dude's doing it right before he goes up there, and he's just like...
02:34:23.000 He's got no weapons.
02:34:24.000 He's going up there unarmed.
02:34:25.000 Not only that, he's going up there with the emotional burden that this shithead just stole a bit right before he goes on stage.
02:34:32.000 And that was what he would do.
02:34:34.000 You would see him at the comedy store.
02:34:36.000 He would do one of Paul Mooney's bits.
02:34:38.000 And then Mooney would go on later on in the night and do the same bit.
02:34:41.000 Instead of Mexicans, he'd be talking about black people.
02:34:44.000 It would be the same bit.
02:34:46.000 We already heard this Star Trek bit.
02:34:48.000 He would take the top and take it out and then put the other thing in there.
02:34:51.000 Yeah, yeah.
02:34:52.000 That's a very extreme form of stepping on your material.
02:34:57.000 But it happens all the time when guys...
02:34:59.000 I talk to guys to this day that are on the road, and they'll be the headliner, and the middle act always wants to be the headliner.
02:35:05.000 They'll want to one day be the headliner.
02:35:06.000 They want to blow the headliner off the stage.
02:35:09.000 People love saying, oh, this guy couldn't follow me.
02:35:11.000 Yeah, I middled for him in West Virginia and he couldn't follow me.
02:35:15.000 People love that.
02:35:15.000 So they'll fuck with you.
02:35:17.000 You have to bring your own guys.
02:35:19.000 You don't want that sort of competitive sense, that backstabby bullshit.
02:35:25.000 That's no fun.
02:35:25.000 So then what you're really arranging is a package deal for you and the other people.
02:35:30.000 I'm also arranging that the people who go on before me are really funny.
02:35:33.000 That goes without saying.
02:35:34.000 That's the most important part to me because...
02:35:37.000 The worst thing you want to do is go on after someone eats it.
02:35:40.000 When you go on after someone bombing on stage, it sucks, man.
02:35:43.000 The crowd is in a bad mood.
02:35:44.000 Tell me about it, dude.
02:35:45.000 Tell me about it.
02:35:46.000 They don't want to believe that they paid money to see this asshole talk.
02:35:51.000 And you're not coming in with a warmed up crowd.
02:35:53.000 And also that person is associated with you.
02:35:54.000 Yes.
02:35:56.000 You brought this person, Joe?
02:35:57.000 What the fuck?
02:35:58.000 Yeah, they think you suck.
02:36:00.000 And a lot of comics do that, though, man.
02:36:02.000 They stack the deck.
02:36:03.000 They'll bring really shitty opening acts to make them look like a hero.
02:36:06.000 They come in and rescue it.
02:36:07.000 A lot of dudes do that.
02:36:09.000 They bring terrible, terrible opening acts.
02:36:11.000 It's really, really on purpose.
02:36:13.000 How about people who pay to open up?
02:36:15.000 Is that big too?
02:36:16.000 No, I've never heard of that.
02:36:17.000 But I know Tony Hinchcliffe was opening up for a dude and then the dude stopped using him and started using a guy who was way worse than him.
02:36:25.000 And the only thing that made any sense was that he just thought Tony was too strong.
02:36:29.000 There's guys that do that, man.
02:36:31.000 There's a few guys that do that kind of shit.
02:36:33.000 They want to make sure they're the star and that the guy before him doesn't make it hard for him.
02:36:37.000 The audience thing I was thinking of, by the way, was I think Andy Kaufman used to do that.
02:36:43.000 Oh, did he?
02:36:44.000 That makes sense.
02:36:45.000 Andy Kaufman was more of a performance artist.
02:36:47.000 He was a showman.
02:36:48.000 I never thought he was a funny stand-up.
02:36:50.000 Because he really wasn't.
02:36:52.000 He was a really funny guy.
02:36:53.000 He was a great actor.
02:36:55.000 He was a fascinating character study.
02:36:57.000 He did a lot of weird shit.
02:36:59.000 He would work at Jerry's Deli when he was on Taxi.
02:37:02.000 He was on Taxi.
02:37:03.000 He was on a hit sitcom.
02:37:04.000 And he would work as a real busboy at Jerry's Deli.
02:37:08.000 So he would go to Jerry's Deli and wait tables and clean tables up.
02:37:11.000 That's probably where he got a lot of material.
02:37:13.000 Maybe.
02:37:13.000 Listening to fucking people that are rambling at some deli table in some shitbox place where he's working.
02:37:18.000 I think it was more of a performance art piece.
02:37:21.000 He wanted people to freak out the fact that this guy who's on the biggest hit television show in America...
02:37:28.000 He was working, washing tables.
02:37:32.000 He would read books on stage.
02:37:35.000 He would go on stage and play Mighty Mouse, Here I Come to Save the Day, over and over and over again.
02:37:40.000 And just stand there and go, Here I come to save the day!
02:37:43.000 And he would do it for like a half hour.
02:37:46.000 It was like performance art more even than it was stand-up.
02:37:49.000 That does sound like some avant-garde bullshit.
02:37:52.000 I swear if I saw that, if I paid fucking $25 with my shrooms.
02:37:55.000 He might have been on shrooms.
02:37:57.000 God knows what the fuck he was on.
02:37:59.000 Yeah.
02:38:00.000 He did a lot of transcendental meditation.
02:38:01.000 I know that.
02:38:02.000 He was a big TM guy.
02:38:04.000 I think he might have actually been clean and sober and just into really heavy meditation.
02:38:08.000 But he did a lot of crazy shit.
02:38:10.000 Like the thing he did where he was wrestling women.
02:38:12.000 That was so fun.
02:38:13.000 Jerry Lawler.
02:38:14.000 Yeah, well he would do pro wrestling and get really slapped down by these guys and get beat up by these guys.
02:38:20.000 He would challenge them and then he would wrestle women.
02:38:22.000 He would say that he was the inter-gender champion wrestler.
02:38:27.000 Exclusively.
02:38:27.000 I'll fight any woman in here.
02:38:29.000 And they would all go crazy thinking he was serious.
02:38:30.000 It was all performance art.
02:38:32.000 Right.
02:38:32.000 But it was, you know, in that context...
02:38:35.000 It's undeniably genius.
02:38:37.000 I mean, what he did was incredible stuff, because he always lost, by the way, and he just made everybody angry.
02:38:44.000 I mean, it was a performance.
02:38:45.000 Look, if he wanted to, he's scrawny as fuck and all that good, but if he really wanted to, he'd kick that chick's ass.
02:38:51.000 Come on.
02:38:53.000 She's a small woman.
02:38:54.000 He's letting her beat him.
02:38:55.000 According to the rules of wrestling, he's off the mat.
02:38:58.000 I will give him ten seconds to get back to the stone of the ring.
02:39:02.000 And that's Bob Zamuto, who's his friend, who's the referee.
02:39:04.000 It's a joke.
02:39:11.000 Is this in the main room?
02:39:21.000 Wow.
02:39:29.000 He gets to like grab women and like...
02:39:32.000 Yeah, he's trying to pin her.
02:39:33.000 Now he's actually pinning her for real.
02:39:35.000 But I couldn't very well challenge men in the audience because I'd get beaten right away.
02:39:43.000 So I figured if I challenge women, there are enough women who are almost as big or as big as me who they would have a good chance to beat me.
02:39:53.000 I love that he said that with a straight face.
02:39:56.000 I love that.
02:39:57.000 Joe, what was his alter ego's name?
02:39:59.000 Oh, Tony, uh, was it?
02:40:01.000 Clapton.
02:40:02.000 Clapton.
02:40:03.000 Tony Clifton.
02:40:04.000 Tony Clifton, yeah.
02:40:05.000 Which was actually, never mind.
02:40:06.000 Yeah, that was his, uh, Bob Zemuda still does Tony Clifton, right?
02:40:10.000 Still puts on like an outfit and pretends he's Tony Clifton and says Tony Clifton's still alive.
02:40:14.000 Yeah, there's like a whole cult of people that believe that he's still alive, right?
02:40:18.000 Yeah, people believe Croftman's, well, they believe everybody's alive.
02:40:21.000 Tupac's still alive.
02:40:22.000 Kennedy's still alive.
02:40:23.000 I've heard Elvis is still alive.
02:40:25.000 Bruce Lee.
02:40:27.000 I've never heard that one.
02:40:30.000 Didn't you get in an argument with Tupac when he was alive back in the Disney?
02:40:34.000 We were teenagers.
02:40:36.000 I wouldn't necessarily call it an argument argument.
02:40:41.000 So that's a no, Brian.
02:40:44.000 Luckily we talked about it before he passed so everything was all good.
02:40:48.000 That's nice.
02:40:50.000 Yeah, that must be an interesting thing, though, to know a dude like that, man, you know?
02:40:53.000 Right.
02:40:54.000 For sure.
02:40:56.000 That's an interesting thing, right?
02:40:58.000 Think about it.
02:40:59.000 You know that dude, and then he vanished.
02:41:01.000 One of the greatest rappers ever, right?
02:41:03.000 And then gone.
02:41:05.000 And then still, no one knows who killed him.
02:41:07.000 That's what's really crazy about it.
02:41:09.000 One of the most crazy things ever.
02:41:10.000 Yeah, the whole thing, the whole thing, the biggie thing, like, it's like...
02:41:14.000 Yeah, both of them.
02:41:16.000 How could it not be solved, you know what I mean?
02:41:19.000 Yeah.
02:41:20.000 Yeah, how could it not be solved?
02:41:22.000 Right.
02:41:22.000 How could it not be solved?
02:41:23.000 How is it possible?
02:41:25.000 How is it humanly possible that in 2014 that hasn't been resolved?
02:41:28.000 And then what, you ever read that Rolling Stone piece on the whole thing?
02:41:31.000 Right.
02:41:31.000 You find out the Rampart guys were all corrupt.
02:41:34.000 Oh, it's fucking crazy, man.
02:41:36.000 It's interesting, too, that that era of rap, like, those were the two prominent personalities, and both of them died in shootouts.
02:41:46.000 What a fucked up situation.
02:41:49.000 Does he know about that?
02:41:50.000 Yeah, we were just talking about that.
02:41:52.000 Yeah.
02:41:54.000 No, that's crazy, man.
02:41:56.000 To think that...
02:41:57.000 You know, in the middle of the strip in Vegas.
02:42:00.000 Yeah.
02:42:01.000 Yeah, especially in Vegas.
02:42:02.000 With all the surveillance cameras, with everything.
02:42:05.000 All the lights.
02:42:06.000 It's crazy.
02:42:07.000 Yeah, it's insane.
02:42:08.000 It's insane to think that no one caught anybody.
02:42:10.000 No one caught anybody.
02:42:11.000 I had read something about the guy.
02:42:13.000 I can't recall the guy's name.
02:42:14.000 The guy who last year was involved with the whole...
02:42:18.000 He ended up being found in Bear Mountain and he burned him out.
02:42:21.000 The former police officer.
02:42:22.000 Oh, Chris Corbin.
02:42:23.000 In some kind of way, there was intermingling with...
02:42:25.000 Rampart and that and that whole situation.
02:42:28.000 Well, he's much more recent.
02:42:29.000 He was a police officer after that.
02:42:32.000 But without a doubt, if there was the kind of level of corruption that Rampart had...
02:42:38.000 There has to be something left over.
02:42:40.000 I mean, the idea that they cleaned it off, spick and span, nice and pretty clean, and polished it up, and no whatsoever.
02:42:47.000 They're having problems now with the sheriff's department.
02:42:49.000 Are they?
02:42:49.000 In what way?
02:42:50.000 With Lee Baca, same thing, that they have like an inner culture within the sheriff, and they favored certain police officers and certain people, especially with the whole, since the sheriff controls the jail systems in California, so a lot of them are getting, you know, with corruption and bribery and It happens,
02:43:07.000 man.
02:43:07.000 Ultimate power corrupts.
02:43:08.000 There's no way around it.
02:43:11.000 And basically, Sheriff Lee Baca knew about it and just turned cheek on it.
02:43:14.000 You know what I mean?
02:43:15.000 He did a Joe Paterno.
02:43:16.000 Basically, I mean, you know, and the thing is, is they caught like a core of them, and they have like, what happened is, Internal Affairs hired an inmate, and he's an informant.
02:43:28.000 So the inmate was getting cell phones, drugs, so they actually got an inmate to be, yeah, and he's the one that basically gave up the sheriff.
02:43:41.000 And they kept finding out, so they built a whole case, you know, a few years about it, and what they did is the sheriff moved the inmate and they couldn't locate him.
02:43:48.000 His attorney or his handler couldn't locate him inside the jail system.
02:43:53.000 So they, you know, finally the pressure came to Sheriff Libak and he just basically turned a cheek and it took him for a while.
02:43:58.000 Like they started harassing him.
02:43:59.000 Like it got really, really serious because his handler couldn't find him.
02:44:03.000 Like what do you mean you can't find him inside the jail system?
02:44:05.000 Wow, that's interesting, man.
02:44:07.000 Yeah, I think that's going to be real hard to do.
02:44:09.000 Their whole culture, the culture of law enforcement is having to adapt.
02:44:14.000 Yeah, it's a whole different...
02:44:15.000 They have to adapt because people find out about shit way quicker today.
02:44:19.000 It's so easy to spread the news.
02:44:21.000 Social media, having a camera.
02:44:23.000 People, like, I can't imagine all the abuses motherfuckers got away with before this camera came on.
02:44:28.000 Well, the funny thing about it is the actual phone that they snuck in and gave to him, and he was sending to inmates, Was where a lot of that evidence was coming from.
02:44:36.000 Because the phone, he's taking pictures of everything.
02:44:38.000 Wow.
02:44:39.000 So it's already inside.
02:44:40.000 He's inside, you know.
02:44:41.000 Yeah.
02:44:42.000 Well, you know, it's going to be harder and harder for those motherfuckers to do shit like that.
02:44:45.000 But if there's anywhere they're going to be able to pull it off, it is in prison where they can control people so closely.
02:44:49.000 But everything's for sale in there.
02:44:51.000 When Joe was locked, he was telling me a crazy story.
02:44:56.000 At that federal prison where he was at, they said that there was a scandal.
02:45:00.000 Where the guards, the female CO's, had been selling pussy to the inmates.
02:45:06.000 That's so common.
02:45:07.000 Victor Conte said the same thing.
02:45:09.000 When we had Victor Conte, he was the guy who got busted in the Balco scandal.
02:45:12.000 Remember that?
02:45:13.000 With Barry Bonds and they were selling those guys steroids.
02:45:16.000 He was in prison and they were all banging the female guards.
02:45:20.000 The female guards returning tricks.
02:45:24.000 That's crazy.
02:45:25.000 I love it.
02:45:25.000 That's American ingenuity.
02:45:26.000 You're in the middle of nowhere, you know?
02:45:28.000 Look, what do those guys need?
02:45:30.000 Pussy.
02:45:30.000 What does she have to sell?
02:45:31.000 Pussy!
02:45:31.000 Let's make a deal.
02:45:33.000 Let's make a deal.
02:45:34.000 Her husband is somewhere like, you were what?
02:45:35.000 Yeah, her husband, he's probably fucking selling ass.
02:45:38.000 Both of them, together.
02:45:39.000 They work in the same institution.
02:45:42.000 Hey, easy.
02:45:43.000 Jesus Christ, Joe.
02:45:45.000 What, is that bad?
02:45:46.000 Am I lying?
02:45:47.000 There's no gay people in jail that want a good blowjob from a nice security guard?
02:45:52.000 I'm going to have to frisk you.
02:45:53.000 They probably had a little game that they would play.
02:45:55.000 Keeping it real goes way wrong.
02:45:57.000 Keeping it real goes way wrong.
02:45:59.000 Don't make me suck it.
02:46:00.000 I'm the officer of the law.
02:46:01.000 You suck it.
02:46:03.000 Give the guy a fat envelope that he'd been hiding up his ass.
02:46:06.000 Is that a female security guard that you have to fuck?
02:46:10.000 But you know what?
02:46:11.000 You would take it, man.
02:46:12.000 If you were locked up for a long time, that's better than nothing.
02:46:16.000 That's so short.
02:46:18.000 Yeah.
02:46:18.000 So girls who would never be able to sell pussy on the outside, on the inside, that's a valuable commodity.
02:46:25.000 They're Miss American, man.
02:46:27.000 Look at Tech.
02:46:28.000 He's checked out.
02:46:29.000 Too many images in his head for this one podcast.
02:46:32.000 You can tell.
02:46:33.000 Dude's flabbergasted, shocked.
02:46:35.000 It's just funny, because every time I turn around, you've got to get Brian to stop putting shit up there.
02:46:40.000 You're like, Brian, stop.
02:46:41.000 That's part of the fucking show.
02:46:42.000 You're distracting it, yeah.
02:46:43.000 Part of the show.
02:46:43.000 It's the air conflict.
02:46:45.000 Brian, you're distracting me.
02:46:45.000 Don't you understand?
02:46:47.000 Society craves conflict.
02:46:48.000 You can't just have a smooth-running show.
02:46:50.000 You have to have something.
02:46:51.000 Interior drama.
02:46:52.000 You come and do the openers for Joe sometimes?
02:46:55.000 I used to a lot.
02:46:56.000 Now I have it once in a while.
02:46:58.000 He does comedy on his own a lot of times now.
02:47:00.000 So you bring your own openers, your little homies too?
02:47:02.000 Yeah.
02:47:03.000 Okay.
02:47:03.000 Do you set them up like any hecklers and shit like that?
02:47:06.000 No.
02:47:08.000 That shit would be so obvious, man.
02:47:10.000 No, it wouldn't, dude.
02:47:12.000 It wouldn't be a smart thing to do, first of all, because it would be fake, and then the fake vibe would get out there somehow or another.
02:47:19.000 It would sneak through the fucking floorboards.
02:47:20.000 But how?
02:47:20.000 If it's part of showmanship.
02:47:22.000 If you're not doing it to be a dick.
02:47:24.000 Well, it depends on what you're doing.
02:47:24.000 It depends on what you're doing.
02:47:26.000 I mean, you can set up something in the audience where you have like a fake fight with somebody, and the whole thing's like a grand show.
02:47:31.000 As a joke, right?
02:47:32.000 Yeah, you could do it.
02:47:33.000 But the way I feel about stand-up, if I went to see Joey Diaz, okay, he's my favorite comedian, and if Joey Diaz had someone go on in the audience and fake heckle him, and he had all these canned lines and he threw at that, and I thought it was brilliant, but then I found out that it was fake,
02:47:51.000 I would feel sick.
02:47:53.000 I'd feel grossed out.
02:47:54.000 If I ever did that, I would feel sick.
02:47:57.000 If I ever tricked a bunch of people to think that I came up with a smooth line.
02:48:00.000 When someone heckles me and I come up with something on the fly and it nails them and then they look really stupid, that's like an art.
02:48:07.000 There's an art to finding the right thing to say at the right time.
02:48:11.000 We were in Ohio.
02:48:12.000 We had this fucking dude took his shirt off and he was standing in the crowd with his shirt off.
02:48:18.000 You couldn't plant a better guy.
02:48:21.000 I think I saw that.
02:48:22.000 There's a video.
02:48:23.000 The dude was crazy.
02:48:23.000 And Brian and I saw him hours later.
02:48:25.000 Like, after the show.
02:48:26.000 I mean, I hugged the guy and everything.
02:48:27.000 I mean, he wasn't a violent guy.
02:48:29.000 But someone decided to, like, take advantage of the fact that he was this loud guy.
02:48:33.000 And they beat the shit out of him.
02:48:34.000 We found him when we were getting to our car at, like, 2 o'clock in the morning.
02:48:37.000 We were leaving Steak and Shake, right?
02:48:39.000 We had ate.
02:48:40.000 Yeah.
02:48:40.000 And we got to our car, and this dude was fucked up, man.
02:48:43.000 His eyes bloody, blood calming all over his fucking...
02:48:46.000 All over his clothes.
02:48:47.000 Somebody just beat the shit out of him, man.
02:48:50.000 For what?
02:48:50.000 For Heckly?
02:48:51.000 Yeah, well, probably.
02:48:53.000 This is the guy.
02:48:53.000 Look, the guy's got no shirt on in the audience.
02:48:56.000 I've seen that.
02:48:58.000 We're all here to have a good time.
02:49:00.000 He was doing voodoo with his fingers.
02:49:01.000 I'm going to tell you this, because I love you.
02:49:03.000 I love you, too.
02:49:04.000 I love you, too.
02:49:05.000 But I'm going to tell you this.
02:49:06.000 You are that guy.
02:49:12.000 That is that guy personified.
02:49:14.000 He's got no shirt on.
02:49:15.000 Fucking deuce.
02:49:17.000 I wish we got the video of him fucked up later in the night.
02:49:20.000 Afterwards, yeah.
02:49:21.000 We should.
02:49:21.000 Goddamn.
02:49:22.000 Beat me to like a bloody pulp.
02:49:23.000 Because it would have been so perfect.
02:49:24.000 The perfect way to end that video.
02:49:25.000 Somebody just tuned him up.
02:49:27.000 It was a free shot because he was so drunk.
02:49:29.000 They could take advantage of it.
02:49:30.000 You guys gotta leave.
02:49:31.000 We gotta wrap this thing up anyway.
02:49:32.000 We're running out of time.
02:49:33.000 Like five, ten minutes.
02:49:33.000 Yeah, I think.
02:49:50.000 What, the ark?
02:49:52.000 No, no, no.
02:49:53.000 Gobekli Tepe is a new structure that they found.
02:49:57.000 It was like a cattle herder or something like that.
02:49:59.000 Found this stone and uncovered it, like kicked some dirt around on it, and then started digging around it and realized it's massive.
02:50:06.000 Called in some people.
02:50:08.000 They found out that the whole area had been filled with dirt on purpose at the very earliest 12,000 years ago.
02:50:17.000 So it's at least 12,000 years old.
02:50:19.000 And that's when it was covered.
02:50:21.000 That's when it was filled in.
02:50:22.000 And it's this huge, gigantic structure.
02:50:25.000 Like a ziggurat.
02:50:26.000 Look, there's some images of what they've discovered so far.
02:50:30.000 Why are our fucking images loading so slow?
02:50:32.000 What is it, 1990?
02:50:34.000 Is this the fucking Geocities website?
02:50:37.000 There's gigantic 19-foot tall stone columns.
02:50:41.000 All these 3D reliefs of these animals that are drawn on it.
02:50:45.000 But this whole thing throws the origins or the dates of civilization into kind of a chaotic situation.
02:50:53.000 Because it's so old.
02:50:55.000 It's at a time where they thought people were just basically hunter and gatherers.
02:50:58.000 And these hunter and gatherers created these enormous stone structures.
02:51:02.000 This really complex thing.
02:51:03.000 Like all those carvings on it.
02:51:05.000 And these are 3D reliefs, meaning that they took the stone away, they cut it away to make this image.
02:51:10.000 They didn't carve it into the stone, which would be the easy way to do it.
02:51:13.000 They carved the stone out and left the three-dimensional image of these animals.
02:51:18.000 They've only uncovered 5% of it so far, and it's fucking enormous.
02:51:23.000 Enormous stone structure that was covered up.
02:51:25.000 So they know for a fact...
02:51:27.000 And this is in central Turkey?
02:51:28.000 It's an area called Gobekli.
02:51:31.000 Gobekli Tepe.
02:51:32.000 I don't know what part of Turkey.
02:51:36.000 There was a civilization called the Hittites that lived in central Turkey.
02:51:40.000 And they had this site, Hattusha.
02:51:43.000 And what I think is interesting about that is that it was totally in...
02:51:51.000 We're good to go.
02:51:56.000 We're good to go.
02:52:17.000 Inside a city for it to flourish to the level it did.
02:52:20.000 Could be they also had irrigation back then, too.
02:52:22.000 Well, that is one suggestion, but they didn't have an aqueduct similar to the way people look at them in Roman times.
02:52:29.000 I guess they may have diverted water through a stream or by damming a river, but whatever the case may be, I think people are going to start finding more and more of these things as time progresses.
02:52:41.000 And I think what we're talking about also is that Oh, yeah.
02:53:05.000 Oh, no question about it.
02:53:06.000 The tide or rather the ocean's levels have risen and fallen.
02:53:11.000 No doubt.
02:53:12.000 No doubt.
02:53:12.000 No question.
02:53:13.000 You know, but besides rap, I started writing a book recently.
02:53:16.000 And one of them, I'm specifically going to be able to deal with this specific fact and the history of humankind that is severely underwritten.
02:53:25.000 I mean...
02:53:26.000 So you're writing a history book?
02:53:29.000 It's not a history book.
02:53:30.000 It's more like a book of philosophies.
02:53:33.000 You know what I mean?
02:53:34.000 Uh-huh.
02:53:35.000 It's a little humorous.
02:53:36.000 You know what I mean?
02:53:37.000 Because I want to show people the sort of perpetual hypocrisy that we're willing to live in.
02:53:44.000 That people have always lived in?
02:53:46.000 Always.
02:53:46.000 But not only that we live in, but that we're willing to live in.
02:53:51.000 It reminds me of a quote from Mark Twain where he's like, you know, the difference between writing fiction and writing reality is that you have to make reality seem believable.
02:53:59.000 You know, because it's so preposterous.
02:54:01.000 You have to include some sort of element that brings it home.
02:54:05.000 Similar to the way that a comedian will criticize society and then talk about how fucked up it is, and at the end of it say, hey, well, guess what?
02:54:12.000 I'm just as fucked.
02:54:14.000 You know how I know it's this fucking bad?
02:54:15.000 Because I'm part of this fucked up society.
02:54:18.000 And that's the ironic part of the joke.
02:54:20.000 You know what I mean?
02:54:21.000 No, no, no, no, no, no.
02:54:21.000 Coke is so bad, and, uh...
02:54:23.000 I'm gonna go get a coke now, so fuck all the rest of you.
02:54:26.000 Because that's just how it is.
02:54:27.000 I think that when you look at civilizations and human development, you find...
02:54:34.000 Just a series of pure savagery and then you find ennoblement in strange and almost irreconcilable places within that society.
02:54:44.000 So when I look at them over the course of human evolution, I really wanted to address that and the fact that, you know, yes, we're a civilization of talking monkeys that have achieved some sort of Growth over the years, whether it's through grooming, because we place a gigantic amount of value on how we're groomed.
02:55:05.000 We place a gigantic amount of value on our superstitions.
02:55:08.000 In other words, if I believe something and you don't believe the same thing, I'm threatened by your belief system.
02:55:13.000 Not you or me specifically, but in terms of how we communicate and how we've communicated over the years.
02:55:19.000 Now, has that always been a positive thing or has it always been a negative thing?
02:55:23.000 Well, when we were dividing ourselves among different actual races like Homo erectus or Homo habilis, then maybe it was a positive thing to not include these people in our society or these animals or hominids in our society because it would have created a much different strand of humanity.
02:55:38.000 Dude, you need a podcast of your own.
02:55:40.000 We're running out of time, man.
02:55:43.000 The Immortal Technique podcast launching next month.
02:55:46.000 Holy shit, yo.
02:55:46.000 Just start with an iPhone.
02:55:48.000 Just start talking into it when you're at an airport.
02:55:50.000 Record that shit.
02:55:51.000 I got the book coming out.
02:55:52.000 The Middle Passage.
02:55:53.000 Shout out to the whole Rebel Arms.
02:55:54.000 Follow him.
02:55:55.000 Immortal Tech on Twitter.
02:55:57.000 And guys, what are your Twitter handles?
02:55:58.000 Bobby Bowdy.
02:56:00.000 At Twitter.
02:56:01.000 Hold on, spell that.
02:56:02.000 What is Bobby about it?
02:56:03.000 B-O-B-B-Y, about it, B-O-U-T-I-T. Boom.
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02:56:44.000 See you fucker soon.
02:56:45.000 Let's do it.
02:56:46.000 Throw a heckler in the crowd.