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00:11:40.000Alright, where to even begin with this one?
00:11:44.000You think it'd be cool to watch the fight and instead of talking about different pieces of it because there's so many different aspects to it, you think it'd be cool for the viewer if we watch it and I just tell you what I'm saying to him?
00:13:17.000Whenever I hear someone tell me I'm going to take private lessons, I'm going to do some jiu-jitsu, take private lessons, you can definitely learn more than the average person.
00:13:25.000But if you want to really learn jiu-jitsu, you've got to get dirty.
00:16:35.000For people who don't know, Eddie Bravo is...
00:16:40.000Famous for one very particular upset a long time ago when in 2003 we went down to Brazil and Eddie was competing in the Abu Dhabi World Submission Championships, which is the biggest event in no-gi grappling.
00:17:35.000His dad was literally the founder of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, along with Carlos Gracie.
00:17:40.000I mean, what his dad did was nothing short of...
00:17:45.000When you put into perspective the history of martial arts and different people, like Bruce Lee obviously plays a huge part in making martial arts exciting, getting people into martial arts.
00:18:12.000I mean, he might be the most important person ever.
00:18:15.000A small man who used leverage and beautiful technique to submit people, took on all comers, weighed 140 pounds, and he was fighting these giant dudes.
00:18:34.000I mean, you think about, like, a family that wouldn't even exist in the real world.
00:18:37.000How about a family where one bad motherfucker, this one jujitsu genius, Elio Gracie, has a bunch of sons, and they all turn out to be bad motherfuckers?
00:20:00.000Can you imagine, in an hour and a half, you explain the whole Gracie story with all the brothers and Carlson and Helson and all their different stories and Half and Heian.
00:20:12.000Dude, they would have to have the Heian edge would be like 10 minutes of the movie.
00:20:52.000And according to the Machados and their stories, Henzo was always the one laughing and joking and everyone loved him, but he was always in the middle of a fight.
00:21:01.000Someone would want to fight him and there'd be a riot.
00:23:39.000My favorite Gracie of all time, and I love, there's a lot of Gracies, man, that I love personally, that I know personally, and there's a lot that I don't even know.
00:23:48.000I've never met, like I've never sat down and talked to Horian.
00:23:52.000I've never sat down and talked to Hodger.
00:23:56.000There's a lot of great, Helson, I never sat down and talked to Helson, but the Gracies that I did have, do have relationships with and did have time to My favorite all time is Rose Gracie.
00:28:39.000When you think about that this one guy and a family of fucking super champions, this one guy rises to the top over all of them, universally acknowledged.
00:28:48.000And even the Brazilians that did jiu-jitsu that...
00:29:31.000It's like this one family that has created such an empire of martial arts.
00:29:36.000And, in my opinion, changed martial arts forever.
00:29:39.000I think Hoist Gracie and his victory in the Ultimate Fighting Championship was one of the most important moments in the history of martial arts, without a doubt.
00:29:50.000Because people got to see what really works.
00:29:52.000People got to see something in a way that you never saw before.
00:29:55.000You never saw a small man who didn't look physically imposing dismantle other people with technique.
00:30:01.000Yeah, and even though Horian was the guy that actually made it happen physically, the whole family was involved.
00:30:09.000Because Horion is the one who, it was his idea, we need to put this show on in the States and prove that jiu-jitsu is the most effective martial art.
00:30:18.000But it was because of what he saw Hickson doing.
00:30:22.000Because of what he saw Hoyler doing in the dojo storm.
00:30:27.000It was because of what his father, Helio, spread to everyone.
00:30:34.000Horian wouldn't have the drive and the vision if he didn't see what Hickson was doing on a daily basis and what his dad did and know the history of what his dad did.
00:30:52.000All the Gracie events and all the Gracie people that were all involved and Horion needed all that to explode the UFC. So it wasn't just Horion.
00:31:24.000It wasn't only around 94, 95. Everything just exploded.
00:31:26.000When Hoist blew it all up, all the people that were involved down the chain, Carlson and all those guys and everyone, they said, okay, we're all part of this.
00:31:36.000Then it just grew and exploded in the Gracie.
00:31:39.000It just instantly, jiu-jitsu just spread all over the world instantly.
00:31:54.000The thing to do, man, in martial arts is go to Brazil and then we got exposed to chuscarias and acai and all that shit's here because of jiu-jitsu.
00:32:05.000And that's one of the things about martial arts that a lot of people don't realize is that for maybe thousands of years, it pretty much remained the same.
00:32:14.000When the Gracies came along, that was what really kick-started it to this level right now.
00:32:18.000You know, you can say that jujitsu is not the most important martial art, but historically, it's the most important martial art unquestionably.
00:32:50.000It's one of the things people don't realize, too, about Chuck Norris.
00:32:52.000Chuck Norris was ahead of the fucking curve, man.
00:32:55.000Chuck Norris, even though, like, a lot of people associate him with, like, Walker, Texas Ranger, and, you know, like, movies and TV shows now, Chuck Norris was a legit kickboxer, like, legit champion kickboxer, legit karate champion.
00:33:09.000He was a bad motherfucker, and he really was into martial arts, into training in martial arts, and learning new things.
00:33:15.000And when did he start training with the Machados?
00:33:20.000Way before the UFC. Way before the UFC, right?
00:33:25.000He had like a purple belt or a brown belt before the UFC, before the first UFC. He was responsible somehow for the UFC getting moved along.
00:34:39.000Like, involve, like, bad things happening to him.
00:34:43.000All of his stories involved, like, he panicked, he couldn't talk in front of people, so he told this hilarious story about not even remembering talking, not even remembering giving a speech because he was so terrified to speak in front of people.
00:34:59.000You know, it was where a lot of those...
00:35:01.000You know, you get into that sort of an event and a guy looks for it as an opportunity to go in the glory days and talk about his past victories and that kind of shit.
00:35:09.000He was laughing, smiling, you know, just self-deprecating.
00:35:14.000That guy's a legit martial artist, like a real legit martial artist.
00:35:19.000Yeah, and of course, you know, with that kind of mentality, as soon as you discover that there's a big weakness in your game, you want to feel that shit and feel it immediately.
00:37:42.000That would be a really hilarious comedy sketch, like a Tim and Eric sketch.
00:37:45.000The one Gracie who didn't want to do jiu-jitsu.
00:37:49.000There's one Gracie who's just into like...
00:37:52.000I bet that happens sometimes I bet that you know what I don't everyone in the family does jujitsu and then I want to do this I want to be an artist or I want to be and then you try that for a while and you're like shit I can make some easy money just using my name and jujitsu and then you realize fuck it you realize what you have like you have a great thing you your whole family Some people just want to be their own individual though,
00:38:49.000So I saw that you're pumped up, you know, you felt very confident, you felt good, and you were, you know, you were zoned in.
00:38:56.000But the idea that you were going to fight Hoyler Gracie seemed so crazy to me.
00:39:01.000Just knowing what I know about the Gracies, knowing what I know about the history of the family, knowing what a legendary family they are, to see you...
00:39:09.000My best friend, standing there with Hoyla Gracie, and you guys are about to grapple.
00:40:29.000If you got into yoga and you got obsessed with it, eventually, two years, three years, five years, you'd have to be able to get into the very basic Lotus position.
00:40:39.000Yeah, it's a little more than that, fella.
00:44:14.000Back and forth between the people that thought that Eddie winning the first time was a fluke and the people that legitimately thought that Eddie has a brilliant mind and a creative mind for jiu-jitsu that's really unique.
00:44:28.000And he can come up with a lot of techniques.
00:44:30.000He doesn't want to admit that he's got weird dexterity in his legs, but...
00:44:54.000But his paths were uniquely his in that he came up with a lot of different techniques and approaches and refined a lot of other approaches that he sort of adopted or adapted to jujitsu.
00:45:08.000The system in 2003 was really not even a tenth of what it is now.
00:45:15.000After 2003, Eddie started teaching and then it became crazy.
00:45:20.000Then the system started growing and new techniques were added and there became guys like Danny Propagos who's a world champion as a brown belt Guys came out of there that were showing that your techniques weren't just for you and your crazy dexterity,
00:45:38.000but you had broken down things in a way that other people hadn't done before in a weird way.
00:48:23.000I never said that I'm going to go out there and just strangle him.
00:48:26.000I was just, I didn't know, I hadn't competed in so long.
00:48:29.000Look right here, I'm faking like I'm going to wrestle.
00:48:33.000Because I didn't think he was just going to let me pull him into quarter guard.
00:48:36.000I thought, at this point, I'm like, wow.
00:48:39.000I thought he was just going to try some totally different shit, but this is what he always does.
00:48:44.000Every morning before I work out, I warm up on the Stairmaster, I go to YouTube, put Hoyler, ADCC, pick one of his matches, and that gives me all the motivation.
00:48:54.000I just watch him roll, and he's so good at this.
00:48:57.000But I thought he would try to pass to the other side.
00:49:00.000And I thought this position was going to be the hardest to get, and this was the key.
00:49:06.000If I could just get quarter guard in this position, I felt like I could get him.
00:49:10.000And there's a bunch of crazy rules in this match as well.
00:49:13.000One of the rules was that Hoyler was wearing these skin-tight shorts.
00:49:32.000Yeah, and when he got to that leg lock and he was trying to defend that leg lock, you're tearing his knee apart, and he's hanging on to your cuff.
00:50:18.000It's only because I would rather go against a guy who wasn't really mad at me.
00:50:23.000If I could joke with you and get like, this is just for fun, then I feel like, okay, I can get this guy now because I could win because he's not mad.
00:50:32.000But if he's mad, oh shit, I would never want to fight a Diego Sanchez type guy who's mad at me.
00:50:48.000And after I swept him when I get on top of the electric chair and I'm holding him, I go, you can't move from here, so just hang on and relax.
00:52:34.000You were very self-deprecating about your first victory, too.
00:52:39.000This was a 20-minute match, and because there was no submission, it's a draw.
00:52:43.000Metamorris is doing a unique thing, and I don't know if they've got the rules totally ironed out where they want them to yet, but what they're trying to do is discourage people from point fighting.
00:52:52.000What that means is work towards submission at all times, and you may get a submission, and you may not get a submission, but The idea is you're seeing real jujitsu here, and they've accomplished that.
00:53:04.000Everyone was going for submissions, whether it was Guy Mendes or Hoffa Mendes or Keenan Cornelius.
00:53:12.000Sometimes they didn't get them, but it was really exciting because of that, because guys couldn't just sort of wrestle to a certain position and then hold.
00:53:22.000But if this was a scored match, you would have beat him handily.
00:53:26.000I mean, you swept him multiple times, you got side control on him, and you had two near submissions.
00:53:32.000The crowd goes nuts because he's been fighting for the underhook for five minutes, and he finally gets it, and this is the position that we were in in our first match.
00:55:06.000And when a guy's really good at it, a guy like Eddie, when they're really good at it and they have two legs against one, it puts you in a precarious position.
00:55:13.000And it makes you vulnerable to a lot of different sweeps.
00:55:16.000And here you're flipping them backwards.
00:57:00.000Even though I let go of the lockdown and passed his guard, the reason why the pass was guaranteed is because of the control I have on his leg.
00:57:09.000and the leg so that pass was easy as soon as I let go the lockdown didn't want to let it go until I rest a little bit and then finally I let go the leg last and now I'm inside control and here's the big transition I thought he was gonna turn into me but he turns away so I'm like ooh that's even easier but he's rolling in a nice way but I had to turn it into a hundred percent here so this is halfway this is a a neck crank that I do to get the guy to give me his back so I'm neck cranking him here And if he pulls his left arm all the way out,
00:58:04.000The most important thing for me is to go out there and not get smoked and not get tapped in 20 seconds or 30 seconds because that would be...
00:59:14.000So when I get him in an electric chair and he doesn't tap, when I test his flexibility, If they don't tap, I can just sweep them and get on top and set them up for a twister, which I already tried, but I made the decision.
01:08:17.000So I decided, you know what, I generally don't need to stomp on that foot, so I'm still trying to make him tap like everyone else taps without it.
01:11:33.000It's like you figured out a way to do it, and you do it so well, and you've done it for so many years, that you know the exact, correct, perfect angle to hit it where it's like...
01:12:09.000The only forms of movements that I'm really knowledgeable about are striking movements and grappling movements, but you see it in those as well.
01:13:07.000Man, the feeling of getting smoked and what you guys would think, like, damn.
01:13:12.000I didn't ever want that look in your eye, that third or fourth time that I did open mic night where I was getting a little confidence.
01:13:21.000And that one time I went on stage and I thought I'd do something different and not tell jokes, but be like a comic talking about his wife and his girlfriend.
01:13:31.000It's not really his wife and it ends up being some stripper and he's delusional and he thinks it's his wife and I try to do that on stage, you know what I mean, like later, but it wasn't, no one laughed and I got off stage and you were like, come here, follow me.
01:14:55.000Like let's say I did something stupid and I tried to pull guard and I clowned around a little bit for five seconds and I pulled guard and he got me to ankle lock and I tapped.
01:15:02.000Like before I even yanked and I just tapped and it was like early tappage.
01:15:05.000It was the worst possible case scenario.
01:15:08.000And what would you, you'd be like the same thing.
01:15:22.000Because the more shit you talk to your friends and all that about, like, Eddie's going to dominate and, like, John Jock's making bets with people.
01:15:47.000So that's, I think about that shit too.
01:15:49.000You talk, like, Jon Jock's telling everyone, like someone from the Gracie family called him up and they wanted to make a bet and Jon Jock said, are you serious?
01:17:40.000Ten Planet against, you know, versus a Gracie, like right there in our hometowns and everyone's screaming and there's It's some crazy shit.
01:19:13.000The one thing I learned at Jean Jacques is I was never stoned when I went to Jean Jacques because I wanted to make sure we trained at the same time we were going to compete.
01:19:39.000It doesn't feel great to constantly get tapped by people and getting fucking wrecked.
01:19:43.000You know, trying to last an hour straight with fresh animals, black belts waiting to jump on you and start on your back and start on the mount and start in bad position.
01:22:18.000But generally, 99% of professional athletes have a cardio program.
01:22:22.000They got a system, and they got trainers, and they got clocks, and they got the heart rate, they got the thing on the heart, and then the thing on the arm.
01:22:43.000It's lazier if I just fucking just try to just do jujitsu.
01:22:48.000I thought about that for the first week of camp, once it was official, but then I thought, you know what, I don't want to go into this match with any fucking doubts.
01:22:58.000Let me get my cardio on the professional tip.
01:23:01.000You know, for once in your life, train like a professional athlete.
01:23:04.000I was already lifting weights for years, so I was already strong.
01:23:07.000When I got offered the fight, I was like, hell yeah, I'm stronger than I've ever been.
01:23:11.000I was already in good shape to teach and stuff, but I never did cardio.
01:25:26.000I didn't understand how the heart works.
01:25:29.000I've been training consistently since 2003 at my gym, and the way I treated my cardio is I would go as hard as I can, and then once I start gassing, I thought, okay, the rest of this round I'm going to hold on, sit on my ass for maybe five minutes, maybe ten minutes,
01:27:27.000But damn, right before it hits the 11, take a big deep breath, ready to go.
01:27:31.000You have to go at that 12. And the crazy thing about it is you don't need a trainer to tell you to hurry up because you're going across that pool as fast as you can because you want a lot of time to rest and recover.
01:28:36.000And there's professional athletes go, do we warm up?
01:28:38.000Well, that's just because you build up from a base.
01:28:40.000And these guys have been going at it like that for a long time.
01:28:43.000Yeah, but what ended up happening, I don't know how a football player would do it or if that's a fucking child's play or whatever, but what it did for my jiu-jitsu, automatically.
01:28:52.000I knew in the middle of that hour shark tank when I hit that first, I knew, you just tell yourself, dude, you can recover.
01:29:00.000Find a place to hang out, conserve your energy, wait 30 seconds, it's going to come back and then...
01:29:44.000There's, you know, you get as many guys as you want in the Shark Tank.
01:29:49.000It's dedicated to one person, obviously dedicated to me on this training camp.
01:29:52.000I'd get in the middle and there'd be, you know, three to ten guys sitting around, black belts, purple belts, and they're all waiting their turn to get their five minutes with me, like starting on my back, starting on a mount, all these positions, some like in my guard.
01:30:56.000They know how to close the fucking deal.
01:30:58.000So anybody pays cautious with you, that's part of the game.
01:31:01.000You just keep getting deeper and deeper and deeper and that's what happened.
01:31:04.000I was just sinking in quicksand with that mentality of trying to conserve and not really attacking because the attack is what puts them on defense and stops their forward march.
01:31:14.000So you have to constantly, even if you don't have a game plan right now, just disrupt them.
01:31:20.000So what percentage do you think your game improved because of your cardio bump?
01:31:50.000After reminding yourself that you can recover during jiu-jitsu, during those shark times, or you can recover, relax, you can recover instead of panicking, because if you panic and think you can't, now you're at a downward spiral with your cardio.
01:34:53.000So it's all basic shit that I'm sure people know.
01:34:56.000But for the people that have never dove into competing or doing cardio, I'm telling you, I'm 43 years old and I'm just discovering the magical powers of mastering your body and knowing how fast it can recover.
01:35:10.000When you have that kind of confidence, That's what that performance was all about, trusting my cardio.
01:36:59.000There's so many different places along the way where you could disrupt that, nip it in the bud at different levels.
01:37:04.000And then at the end, the one thing I've learned is all these top guys, Alan Belcher, Max Bishop, Eric Paulson, Gokar, Cevici, and I was gonna work with them, I just never got around with it, but I did work with Karin Derabidian from Hayastan.
01:37:20.000He came down to a shark tank and just fucking wrecked my legs, man.
01:39:07.000Jiu-Jitsu is, we need some urgent care here.
01:39:10.000We need some scientists on the case, and all my students, all my moon heads, my head instructors, they're all my A&R agents, they're all my science.
01:39:18.000We need to fix this motherfucking problem for Jiu-Jitsu.
01:39:20.000Keep working on your passing from standing, which is not a problem in MMA. It's like, man, they can't pass standing.
01:39:28.000The problem is they're not doing much off their back offensively, and that's what we're trying to do.
01:40:23.000And there's also so many different things involved too, not just the moves, but also the amount of discipline that you have to have to get your body into position to play the game.
01:40:34.000Like, what you're talking about, what you did, I mean, there's not a lot of people that have that kind of willpower to force themselves to do those fucking crazy sprints, to force themselves to do the shark tanks, to force themselves to train, and when you can barely walk and you feel like you have a heart attack, not everybody has that in them, to push themselves that way.
01:40:50.000So, it's not just more complex in its variations and the attacks and the counters and defense, but it's also much more complex mentally and emotionally.
01:41:15.000And even more so in light of what you're saying about how the reversals were just you adjusting and then you getting back to that position again.
01:41:45.000Someone lied to him because someone went up to Hoist and told, and I want to find out who the hell this is, someone told Hoist that I talk shit on the family.
01:41:54.000Maybe he believes that he shouldn't believe it, but he came up to me.
01:41:58.000But before that, I've got to read you this really quick.
01:44:55.000And you're really ridiculously talented in Jiu Jitsu.
01:44:58.000Creativity aside and all the other things aside.
01:45:01.000But people who didn't know you, they saw this one match and then after that match they saw you fight Leo Vieira, Leo Vieira, Basically dominated you on points.
01:45:11.000You hurt your rib really early in the match.
01:45:28.000So in their mind, they didn't take anything into account.
01:45:30.000They didn't take into account what a crazy experience it must have been for some kid to be the first American to ever tap at Gracie in a jiu-jitsu competition.
01:45:58.000All the time when you're training, Hoiler, Hoiler, that name kept coming up over and over and over and over and over.
01:46:02.000So when it did happen, and then boom, and you won, much like when you were throwing up on Saturday night after the event is over, like this is gigantic.
01:49:18.000I told him that I liked what he said after the fight, but didn't like the fact that he was always talking trash about Hoyler and my family.
01:52:50.000And if they have more matches like that, more really good, high-level, exciting matches, you get to see real good technical jiu-jitsu, I think people start to really enjoy it.
01:53:01.000And the other thing about jujitsu as opposed to MMA is if it's especially no gi, I see no reason why that can't eventually be on television.
01:53:12.000You know, when I look at, like, watch a Marcello Garcia match or watch when Jacare was fighting in Abu Dhabi or any of the really high-level guys that compete in Abu Dhabi, they're fucking murderers.
01:53:46.000It's called Eddie Bravo Invitational, and it's gonna be two 16-man submission-only tournaments, 145 same-day weigh-in, 170 same-day weigh-in, and since it's for Spanish television, we're gonna focus on white people, too, and black people, but...
01:54:02.000We're gonna the spotlight's gonna be on the Latin fighters and and the two Latin fighters the one we're gonna that's already in is Gio Martinez he's one of my black belts amazing he's a break dancer who's yeah killing people yeah he's gonna do the 145 he's gonna be the feature star and he speaks Spanish and all that and his brother Richie Boogeyman Martinez,
01:57:20.000I think it's the 20th and the 21st of December.
01:57:23.000I'm pretty sure, or September, I'm sorry, of September in Vegas, Gracie Worlds, submission-only worlds, dude, submission-only worlds, you know?
01:57:32.000So we're doing the same thing, though, but we're not doing it.
01:57:35.000We're going to pick 16 guys, and 16 guys on one side, 16 guys on the other side, Also, the other 10th Planet representative at 170 is going to be Nathan Orchard, who's one of my assassins.
01:57:47.000He's a white guy, but we're accepting white guys too.
01:59:16.000But if it's a submission-only tournament, you still work on your sweep and passing, but you've got to be heavy on the submission setups because that's how you're going to close the deal.
01:59:23.000That's how you're going to make your money.
02:00:55.000Well, my thought on it was that if I, like an RFA, which puts on some great fights, you know, RFA, you know, there's always some good matchups.
02:01:50.000Some guys just like MMA. Well, he doesn't train.
02:01:52.000If a good pay-per-view number for jiu-jitsu is 9,000, but for the UFC, that'd be disastrous.
02:01:59.000There's a large percentage of the UFC fan base that is not into jiu-jitsu.
02:02:04.000It would be interesting if it got to a point where guys would not have to do MMA to make real money.
02:02:11.000You know, there's a lot of guys, like Jake Shields is a perfect example, has an amazing record in MMA. But a lot of people don't know, Jake Shields, fucking tremendous grappler.
02:02:58.000I mean, he's only lost three times in the past fucking ten years.
02:03:03.000One of them was a knockout to Ellenberger right after his dad died.
02:03:07.000The other one's a loss to GSP. And then the most recent one, he got dominated by Hector Lombard.
02:03:13.000And you see him compete with a guy like Hector Lombard, especially in MMA. And you're like, my God, unless he catches that guy in a submission, look at that beautiful sweep.
02:03:25.000He was working the guillotine and he hit that butterfly sweep.
02:03:27.000But unless he catches a guy in a submission, unless he can get a hold of a guy, he's going to have a real hard time beating a guy like Hector Lombard.
02:03:35.000Like, Lombard moves so fucking fast, man.
02:03:38.000Yeah, the way to make it work for TV, for all those millions and millions of UFC fans that are bored by jiu-jitsu.
02:03:45.000Obviously, that's why there's such a big difference in numbers.
02:03:48.000You've got to make jiu-jitsu entertaining enough for them.
02:04:01.000The UFC fan base is not, even though it's beautiful, all the Burrambolo stuff and tug-of-war on the pants, when they're playing tug-of-war on the pants, that's a beautiful, complex, sophisticated, amazing technique,
02:04:17.000but the people, it's not good for TV. Right.
02:04:31.000Yeah, if it's going to be for TV, if someone said, we're going to give you one season, and, you know, a TV producer or a network head that doesn't give a shit about tradition, about Jiu-Jitsu, they just want fucking ratings.
02:04:45.000For sure, I would say, we're not going to have anything...
02:04:48.000That can be described by using the word hold.
02:04:53.000If there's any kind of hold in anything, we don't want any of the grabbing and yanking.
02:05:19.000One is a points match, one is a submission only match.
02:05:22.000Both of those matches, there's a minute left.
02:05:24.000In the points match, the guy on top, he just passed the guard.
02:05:28.000He's up 3-0 and there's a minute left.
02:05:32.000If you were his coach, the guy on top, there's a million dollars on the line, would you tell him to go for a submission or would you tell him to hold?
02:06:40.000But when you're allowed to wear whatever you want, if you could love the gi all you want and worship the gi, but you're not going to wear it.
02:06:48.000If you're allowed to, you're not going to give your opponent something to grab onto.
02:06:51.000In Pride, they would have allowed anybody to wear a gi.
02:06:55.000But none of the Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belts wore their gi.
02:07:29.000You can't wear shorts, but it's a weird thing, man, because if I wore gi pants and he was allowed to grab them, but whatever, you know, it's all good.
02:07:36.000I like all that controversy at the end.
02:07:39.000The gi, making me wear the gi backfired on them, but it also saved them, because it really, like, all those electric chairs, that was all those gi pants, man.
02:10:51.000I don't want to really think about it too much, but when I do decide to sit down and talk numbers, I want to do what's best for the security of my family.
02:11:03.000If I'm going to get back into training camp, I'm going, you know, and start seeing my son less and my wife less and the stress comes back and I'm training all day and going through all that and swimming and hating the swimming and the torture.
02:11:18.000If I'm going to go through that, I want what's coming to me.
02:11:34.000And the thing that feels the best about this is...
02:11:40.000Everybody who's gotten into arguments with people about the legitimacy of the system and the style, the Tenth Planet style, all the arguments that everyone's got into with people and the haters and all that stuff,
02:13:28.000When I, after the fight, I, uh, Went to my hotel, took a shower, and I'm just sitting there for five minutes, and I looked on the underground, and I couldn't believe the headline.
02:14:40.000Dude, and all them dudes that fucking couldn't stand me, Usually when something good happens to 10th Planet, they just stay off the thread and they're silent.
02:14:51.000They don't even want to bump the thread up.
02:15:10.000I'll fucking be looking at my fucking tears rolling down my fucking face from that shit.
02:15:16.000That is the best compliment ever when guys that were on a mission, when guys that were on a mission every day to follow me around and fucking just shank me on the side.
02:15:27.000And to have those guys admit they were wrong...
02:19:32.000One thing I do want to say is the reason I called is I was training this morning over at the Knox, and I heard about all this stuff with boys, and I just don't understand.
02:19:52.000Someone's been lying to him, and we need to get to the bottom of that.
02:19:56.000Man, I've never heard you say anything but cool stuff about Hoyt.
02:20:00.000Me and you used to talk about him back in the day, about how amazing it was that he came to the United States and did what he did and influenced so many people, changed the course of martial arts.
02:23:45.000Like, my hands were shaking, my heart was beating, and Brian said, blah blah blah blah, and then I said this and this, and I was like, I fuck guys, you know, he's like, doing all this shit, and I'm like, bro, I don't even know what you just said for the last half an hour, I haven't listened to a fucking word, because he was, you know, Brian Callen, when, you know how,
02:24:00.000like, we've talked about this before, it's like, when you're not thinking about nothing, your background defaults To jiu-jitsu.
02:24:19.000For Brian Callen, when you stop talking, he defaults to gay jokes.
02:24:23.000He defaults to him talking about fucking guys.
02:24:26.000You know, I told him, look, I fuck guys.
02:24:29.000And he's like, dude, it's like, And I remember looking over in the middle of him doing his shtick, and I was like, dude, I don't know what the fuck you just said.
02:25:06.000I was hoping you were going to hit the twister.
02:25:08.000I was hoping you were going to adjust and go for the twister.
02:25:10.000Most people didn't know what the fuck was going on.
02:25:13.000Jeff Glover in the commentary is like, I like to think of myself as a guy who's well versed in jujitsu and I don't even know what's going on here.
02:31:10.000Never this crazy before, time to settle the score, treading on floors but thinking of the skies, the famine arise, feet of mine, hate meant to walk the line, the first fess my mind, the first incurred the stride, sides to stride, strides to might, I