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00:09:17.000Alright, ladies and gentlemen, we're about to go live with a freaky podcast that's going to get down to some very, very interesting subjects.
00:11:50.000And so you put this thread up about you and your brother Dylan being in town.
00:11:54.000Your brother Dylan being a former championship kickboxer, former professional motorcycle racer.
00:12:00.000And just the beginning of the thread was so crazy because you were a motorcycle racer who stopped doing motorcycle racing because you had too many concussions.
00:12:59.000And Hector Lombard, a lot of folks don't know, trained in Australia when he got out of Cuba.
00:13:03.000He did a lot of his fighting initially in Australia before he fought for Bellator and then for the UFC. He's not really Australian as such, but...
00:13:32.000My theory on it was basically that we just kind of need someone coming up that makes it.
00:13:38.000You know, like a lot of the guys we're fighting now, like Jamie and Tahuna and Anthony Parosh and them, they're already quite established before they hit the UFC. So I think we need kind of like a GSP sort of character,
00:14:09.000Now he's about 100. But, you know, there's no one for him to really look up and go, man, I can be that guy because a lot of the guys are...
00:15:24.000There's not a lot of opportunity out there at the moment, unfortunately.
00:15:27.000You know, like, one of our girls is fighting in the house, the one coming up, and, I mean, she was on hold for a year at a time because there was just nothing going on.
00:15:36.000You know, there's just a couple of local promotions, but...
00:15:38.000I mean, most of the guys move overseas like Carl and stay there because they have to.
00:15:47.000Brian Ebersole went to Australia as well, didn't he?
00:16:07.000So anyway, so how the fuck does a guy who is having problems with concussions, what was your rationalization to not just go into Muay Thai but to become a Muay Thai world champion?
00:16:22.000That seems like the worst path you could take if you've had head problems.
00:16:28.000Yeah, I meant like we grew up doing martial arts, both Liam and I. Dad had karate schools in South Africa where we were born and opened big karate schools in Australia.
00:16:48.000So that was my first proper sport with my dad and my uncle.
00:16:51.000How the fuck do you barefoot water ski?
00:16:53.000Do you want to tell them what they used to do with me?
00:16:55.000I mean, actually, funny, if you look at his nose, he tells everyone at broken kickboxing, that was barefoot skiing.
00:17:02.000Yeah, they used to, dad and my uncle used to chuck us on the back of the boat in Sydney, just at a small lake called Brooklyn, and used to be like, no, it'd be fine, just chuck us on the surfboard, crank it up, and then when they...
00:17:38.000They did it behind a smaller boat when they were South African.
00:17:42.000Look, we used to ski, and they didn't know anything about slaloming, so they'd get snow skis, and you'd go on both, and then kick one off, and then you'd have to go fetch it.
00:17:52.000Yeah, normally the one ski, you kick it off, it'd actually hit you.
00:18:35.000I meant, you know, like we were driving back from a night out and we had to call armed response to come actually follow us back to our house because we thought someone was following us.
00:19:56.000I had a guy try to get into my car when I was there, and I just drove on the other side of the road and just disappeared.
00:20:01.000I mean, one of the dangers is Dylan came home and he's saying, you know, Cape Town's safe, and I thought, man, you know, it's safer, but I wouldn't be relaxing like it's, you know, Sydney.
00:20:13.000Sydney's very safe, you know, comparatively.
00:20:15.000Yeah, they did this thing on some television show where they were talking about South Africa and all the carjackings.
00:20:21.000And so they had all these different cars that they had wired up to prevent carjackings with flames on the side.
00:20:27.000Like they have these bars on the side of the car that blow flames on anyone standing next to the car.
00:20:35.000My dad says, you know, if we go to South Africa, he's driving.
00:20:38.000Because, you know, we don't, if people lined up across the road, me and Dylan or Dylan, I will stop.
00:20:44.000He says, no, you just keep, you can't, in Johannesburg, different to Cape Town, but he's like, you know, they'll stop you and then carjack you.
00:20:50.000The day I arrived there, I remember seeing on YouTube, it was only a couple, it was in November last year, I remember seeing a car pull up Just put guns straight in the window and they dragged, like, it was all over TV, dragged, you know, like four or five kids out of the car, just threw them to the curb and just drove off.
00:21:07.000They haven't got really, they don't really care too much for life.
00:21:10.000You gotta understand, it's like Brazil, people go, why would you live there?
00:21:13.000You've got a lot of potential to make money there, you know, and you've got a comfortable lifestyle.
00:21:18.000Again, we're not from there, but that's our friends who are from Johannesburg.
00:21:22.000We say, why the hell would you stay there?
00:21:24.000Well, they've been there for generations and you can't bring the money out.
00:22:53.000Yeah, he was telling me that a long time ago.
00:22:54.000I wanted to know if that had changed, that he was having a hard time in Australia, that he was famous in America, he was doing well in America, but not so well in Australia, which I thought was odd.
00:23:10.000If I say ass, in America, it's not tough, it's not funny, it's not...
00:23:15.000Well, there's certain comedians, I don't want to name the names, but there's certain comedians that get a little bit of extra credit because they have an English accent.
00:23:22.000Like, will accept someone from another country and will pretend that they're way better than they really are.
00:23:26.000And then you watch their comedy, like, American comics, like, that guy's dog shit.
00:23:30.000Like, what the fuck is everybody going on about?
00:24:41.000Yeah, where we are now, I mean, not saying where it is, but where we are now is very similar to suburban Sydney.
00:24:47.000We were driving around, and we're like, oh, this looks like Ride.
00:24:50.000But you're on the wrong side of the road.
00:24:51.000We're on the wrong side of the escalator, the wrong side of the road, we're on the wrong side of everything.
00:24:56.000You know that awkward moment when you're just like walking out of one of those doors, you know, in Vegas, we were in Vegas yesterday, and you walk into someone and you normally shift to the left or right?
00:25:04.000We go left because we drive on the left, but they shift right, so we're both going the same way.
00:25:28.000Well, we were just in Orlando and our driver was telling us that oftentimes people come from Europe or from England or where have you and in their countries they drive on the other side of the road so they come to Disney World, get drunk and get on the wrong side of the highway.
00:25:55.000The left side, the reason why they did it in England and a lot of those countries is because it was from way back in the day when people would ride horses because you wanted to have your sword arm on the right-hand side if someone was coming the other way so you could fucking hack at them.
00:28:29.000But they were saying, when we were up in Canada, someone was saying, you know, GSP, for example, has kept his accent on a certain level because it's so recognizable.
00:34:08.000So if you're going to live your life worrying about idiots or worrying about bitter, negative people, some people are actually smart.
00:34:14.000Some people will attack you and they're smart and they write these scathing, negative things about you that are not true, not based on reality.
00:34:21.000They decide how you think and they flavor you and their posts, whether it's a message board post or a blog post, but they're just negative people.
00:34:32.000There's a real problem with being able to post on the internet.
00:34:35.000Whether it's posting on a message forum or whether it's making a blog.
00:34:39.000And that problem is you're not interacting.
00:34:43.000You're just putting out a thing, which is fine.
00:34:47.000There's good to that because you could read things that people write, whether it's a blog post or a message board forum post like on the underground.
00:34:56.000That can be very informative and fascinating.
00:34:58.000But also you can decide to, like, you know, Liam is obsessed with himself.
00:36:59.000And then fucking that one person will tell someone else some 20-minute story about what a douche I was because I didn't say, hey, what's up, the right way.
00:37:08.000You know, people just decide that they're going to define you because defining you in a negative way somehow or another makes them feel less bad about how they compare themselves to you.
00:37:19.000If you compare themselves to a guy like John Wayne Parr, they come up short.
00:37:42.000Well, he actually, I mean, you can talk about it instead of me asking you, but I mean, for a fighter, it must be terrible because you can get knocked out and you look silly when you're knocked out.
00:37:51.000I mean, not silly, but I mean, it's not a nice moment, right?
00:37:56.000There's a video of a guy coming up to Rashad Evans with a photograph of when Lyoto Machida knocked him out.
00:38:17.000And the other problem is this anonymity.
00:38:21.000The ability to post something as, you know, jickfuck69, and you make some fake name up, and you could just say the meanest shit about somebody, you know, instead of, like, a photo of you, and here's my background, this is where I went to school, this is what I've accomplished in my life, and this is what I think about Dylan.
00:38:36.000Instead of saying that, you just post some nonsense, some fake account or fake name rather.
00:38:43.000Anonymity with sensitive information and insults just doesn't work that way.
00:38:48.000The thing about insulting someone, if you define someone, insult someone, most of the time there's an evaluation process during that insulting.
00:40:32.000And one of the projects we're doing...
00:40:35.000The growing down one is with a psychologist.
00:40:38.000We were talking about it and being on the show and stuff.
00:40:41.000We've got a business that we teach kids.
00:40:43.000We teach adults and we teach a lot of sensitive people in a white collar area.
00:40:48.000The psychologist friend of mine, Jonathan Back, he's on the other show.
00:40:55.000It took him a while to open up a little bit because he was worried...
00:40:59.000People get a lot of information about you on these things.
00:41:02.000They can judge you, they can use it against you, this and that.
00:41:05.000Especially if you're somebody who likes to talk like we do, or I suppose you do as well, and just give opinions and think and shout things out.
00:41:12.000It seems like it might be a little bit dangerous.
00:41:18.000We're just worrying about the effect of what you say can have in a public scene, whereas if you're at a bar, you can say whatever you want, you know?
00:41:37.000You have to own your words and you have to mean what you say and say what you mean.
00:41:41.000And once you do that, you're like, I'm comfortable with it.
00:41:43.000There's not a single thing I've ever said on this podcast that I feel like, man, I really fucked up when I said that because now people have a different opinion of me.
00:41:51.000My opinions that I say on the podcast are well thought out and I'm lucky that I started it later in my life.
00:41:58.000I didn't do a podcast when I was 20 when I was a fucking idiot.
00:42:01.000I think back on that, like, God damn it.
00:42:04.000If there was podcasts from when I was 20, oh my God, you could hold it against me to the end of time.
00:42:09.000Because we all learn, you have to be, if you're going to be out there and you're going to take chances, you're going to fuck up.
00:42:15.000And you're going to fuck up socially, intellectually, along the ways.
00:42:19.000The only way a person learns is by trial and error.
00:42:22.000Trial and error and absorbing information from other sources.
00:42:25.000You learn on your own, by your own failures and your attempts at, you know, Accomplishing things that you're not really qualified to do, and then you learn from other people's information and from other people's failures.
00:42:52.000Fred Eddish is a guy who fought in UFC 1, and he fought Johnny Rhodes, and Johnny Rhodes beat him down, and there was a guy who started a website called the Fred Eddish Fetal Fighting Style.
00:43:04.000Because he curled up in a fetal position while Johnny Rhodes was beating him down.
00:43:08.000So they were torturing this fucking guy.
00:43:11.000And he's fought again since then, right?
00:43:22.000Like a lot of us back then, before the UFC came along, he didn't understand what real fighting was about.
00:43:28.000He thought that his karate was enough.
00:43:31.000When I was doing Taekwondo, if the UFC had been around when I had only done Taekwondo, I probably would have thought that Taekwondo was enough, and somebody would have taken me down and strangled me.
00:43:41.000When I first went into kickboxing, it was a huge realization to me that I thought that Taekwondo was enough, and then I was getting my face punched in.
00:43:50.000I was like, oh my god, there's so many holes in this style.
00:43:53.000And then I started Muay Thai, and I'm like, oh goddammit, kicking the legs!
00:44:00.000I've spent all this time doing this one style that I thought was sufficient.
00:44:04.000But that's what the UFC was all about.
00:44:06.000It was exposing the world to the effectiveness of real martial arts.
00:44:10.000I'm laughing because I ended up doing jiu-jitsu extensively, and he did Muay Thai, but he ended up doing jiu-jitsu because every time we get in an argument over MIRC, jiu-jitsu would win.
00:44:25.000Well, most people have no idea how helpless they are on the ground until it happens.
00:44:30.000You have all these ideas and, you know, Dana White and I had this conversation the other day.
00:44:34.000He used to joke around about it, but he used to always think, if a guy tries to take me down, I'm fucking hit him with an uppercut and do this and do that.
00:44:46.000He's like, I really thought that before we went, you know, we owned the UFC, before I started, you know, learning about mixed martial arts.
00:44:53.000It's like we laugh about it because everyone has these preconceived notions.
00:44:56.000You don't realize how helpless you are until you actually do it.
00:44:59.000Well, he's got a bouncer to hit you now, so I'm going to, a bodyguard to hit you.
00:45:35.000Well, at least you're a martial artist, though.
00:45:37.000The really crazy thing is when you get someone who has no martial arts experience whatsoever, and, you know, you go, okay, lie on top of me and try to keep me from strangling you.
00:46:24.000It's getting a bit better now, but every time we'd go, there were a couple of places like Supra that had a cage and the Thais would be like, yeah, I'm going to fight MMA soon.
00:46:31.000I've got a big heart, you know, and clinch.
00:47:28.000Yeah, Remco Pardue elbowed him into another universe.
00:47:32.000That was a horrific knockout, too, because he was trapped under this giant judo guy who's just smashing him with elbows in his head, and his head is stuck there.
00:51:06.000They want to change it to say, it's not called a sucker punch or a king hit, it's called a coward punch.
00:51:10.000So Australia kind of rallies behind these odd things like that.
00:51:13.000Now they've also made it that you can't go out, you can't come into a bar after a certain time.
00:51:18.000So they got locked down now after, I think, three, we didn't go out much, but three o'clock you can't, whatever club you're in, you've got to stay there, like you can't come and go.
00:51:30.000It's just, they keep the dickheads out on the street, so when you go out with your wife, they're waiting on the corner rejected from a club.
00:53:21.000It's almost a little bit too fortunate.
00:53:23.000And I had a friend move here because he just said it's really easy in Australia to be middle class, but it's very difficult to make a lot of money and be upper class.
00:54:37.000But I think that the principle behind public health care should be that that's like one of the first things that a government takes care of.
00:54:44.000First things that a society, a civilization takes care of.
00:54:52.000It shouldn't be that everyone has to go buy it, though, that they force you to go buy it.
00:54:57.000It's this weird sort of, you know, we have the money to start wars and finance these overseas campaigns, but we don't have enough money to take care of the health Of the citizens based on the tax revenue that we generate.
00:55:59.000I thought I'd go to Israeli Army when I was 18. I thought I'd go join and it would be a good experience because my dad was the paratrooper dog unit in South Africa.
00:58:06.000Everybody's very friendly because they're usually straight out of school and they're free and they're wearing their fisherman pants and drinking and smoking cigarettes.
01:00:41.000You weren't totally organized, is that what you're saying?
01:00:43.000Yeah, you know, like when I was going back and forth between Thailand, so you know, the Thai's like, no, no, no, you kick like this, and you come back to Australia, and I go, fuck this guy.
01:00:51.000What was the difference between the way the Thai's told you to kick and the Australians told you to kick?
01:00:55.000Look, the Thai's are more dominant in clinch, elbows, knees, and kicks, especially clinch, which is what I love the most about Muay Thai.
01:01:44.000You know, like I'm reading a lot of the articles in the MMA forums and stuff and there's guys coming out saying the damage is getting done in the training.
01:02:49.000The problem is that they watch the Thais do it and this is like anything, when you go overseas, you do yoga, you do Muay Thai, whatever art you're doing, cooking, whatever it is, right?
01:02:57.000And they're watching the Thais do it and the Thais go pads, bag work, Clinch, and that's it.
01:03:03.000So the Americans would come back, and Australians come back and copy that, but they forget that Thai's don't spar for one reason.
01:03:26.000When you watch them fight, around the fourth round, if one guy's won, they stop fighting in the fifth round so that they can fight next week.
01:06:15.000To get dropped like that and get punched in the head while you're down, then get punched in the head again and dropped, and then drop him with a head kick.
01:06:21.000And then I think he punched you in the back of the head again.
01:06:23.000But it was only when I kind of went down.
01:06:26.000Also, I think this fight had changed to Southpaw.
01:06:28.000That's kind of one of my later fights would change to Southpaw.
01:06:34.000So, the difference in the way the Thais fight, being that they fight almost every weekend, and that they train very differently, but even their sparring, they don't go at it full blast.
01:06:46.000Like, the Dutch, who don't fight as much as the Thais, they throw hard kicks to the legs and to the bodies, but they throw lighter punches to the head.
01:06:53.000Jesus, we were in Holland about a year ago training at, well, I won't say which gym, but Man, those dudes were punching each other's heads through the wall.
01:07:21.000Well, anyway, go to the locker room and just be prepared to keep your eyes facing straight because there's group showers and everybody's naked guys and girls talking and chatting after training.
01:10:42.000You can keep going because I want to ask him a question at the end.
01:10:46.000But, yeah, there's a theory now they're saying that, and I was saying to one of my guys, because we just went to the UFC and he cut about five pounds, and everyone keeps saying, you need to drop down a weight division, right?
01:13:24.000The story of this, I don't think I've even written this online, but basically, we were in Copenhagen, so we're actually the other side of Thailand.
01:14:38.000And we didn't know what actually happened because the media is often run, you know, by governments and we didn't really know what was going on.
01:14:46.000So we heard, oh, there's a bit of a wave.
01:14:48.000And, yeah, basically we heard there's a bit of a wave and, you know, I thought, oh, we'll try to help out.
01:16:43.000And basically, they met some girls on the bus across...
01:16:47.000And they just stayed in a hotel and I don't know what the hell they were doing.
01:16:50.000So I'm looking for them in the tsunami, you know, pick up bodies and do all types of crazy things we probably shouldn't have.
01:16:56.000And they were just on the mainland hanging out with these two girls.
01:17:01.000So I went all the way there to find them and they were just chilling out.
01:17:05.000But, you know, obviously I suffered a lot of, not so much depression, but more so post-traumatic stress after I was only 20, 21. Yeah, and suffered a lot of post-traumatic stress and, you know, it ain't that much.
01:19:38.000So if like a boat flips or there's a car crash or a local's sick or someone dies or there's a lot of, you know, there's a lot of bike accidents and stuff.
01:19:45.000You know, we go collect the bodies or we go...
01:19:59.000And I've had some pretty cool experiences for...
01:20:01.000Three years now, just working a couple of shifts a week with the Thai team.
01:20:05.000And, you know, one shift, probably the hardest shift I had was last February when I actually decided I'm going to retire.
01:20:12.000And I called Liam, I said I'm going to retire.
01:20:14.000And I was like, if I'm going to retire, I don't have to train that much.
01:20:17.000I spent a lot of time Doing the rescue team and over the full moon party on the island up from us in one shift from 11am till the next day, 11am, there was like 30 accidents we attended.
01:21:18.000But people just go there and it's, you know, the Thais are lovely people, beautiful people, very patriotic, like if they're king, if you don't talk badly about they're king.
01:22:29.000It's just like you've got to go to that country and respect it.
01:22:33.000If you go to Thailand, and you must, it's an amazing place.
01:22:36.000Don't go to an area where Thais have to deal with Westerners because then you've got to deal with the Thais that have to deal with the Westerners.
01:22:46.000But that's the argument that you always hear about Hawaii, is how they hate Americans, but it's just because they're dealing with douchebags all the time.
01:22:55.000I mean, imagine the fucking idiots that you have to deal with that are always on vacation, coming from all parts of the world, and they're all drunk, and they're all, you know...
01:23:09.000I've met people that are Hawaiians in Hawaii that are some of the nicest, kindest, coolest, sweetest people you could ever meet.
01:23:16.000But then you'll talk to people, oh, Hawaiians hate Americans.
01:23:20.000Maybe some, maybe for a fucking good reason.
01:23:23.000Maybe they have to deal with dickheads.
01:25:48.000When they speak to me in Thai, they'll be like, go over there and...
01:25:50.000You know, like I'd drive to like the other side of the island if I was driving the ambulance and some, yeah, not so funny things.
01:25:58.000But the one thing about Thailand people don't know is that before the tsunami, you couldn't buy property there or businesses unless you were under a Thai name.
01:26:07.000So you'd marry a Thai woman or a Thai man, which is great.
01:26:09.000I think that's a good thing that Thailand should be owned by Thais.
01:26:13.000You know, but after the tsunami, they allowed foreign investment.
01:26:18.000So if you go to Copepe, which is where the beach was filmed, that's where he did his rescue stuff, it's not recognizable anymore, you know?
01:26:25.000So anybody can buy a business and property there now.
01:26:28.000That wasn't like that before the tsunami.
01:26:31.000I mean, before that, you've got people who have to go roundabout in circles to set up businesses and brothels and strip bars and stuff like that, you know?
01:28:20.000Every time we speak to an American or Canadian, we spoke to these two guys at the UFC, Antonio Cavallo, a real nice guy, and his friend Monkey, who's a really good...
01:32:45.000I mean, all that big bad wolf, all those stories, the Little Red Riding Hood and all that stuff, that all came about because at one point in time, before the wolf populations were put under control, especially back before they had really good weapons, wolves were a huge problem.
01:32:58.000During World War I, the Russians and the Germans had a ceasefire because in the forest, they were killing so many troops.
01:33:07.000The wolves, they ran into a super pack, and wolves, especially in the really cold climates, can form super packs.
01:33:14.000There's also a principle of the further north you go, the larger the mammals are.
01:33:18.000That's why polar bears are the biggest bears, and Kodiak bears.
01:33:21.000Because the further north you go, the more they have to maintain their body mass in order to keep heat.
01:35:07.000Yeah, look at the size of that fucking thing.
01:35:09.000And they have a lot of them now in places like Idaho and Montana.
01:35:14.000They're starting to shoot them and put hunting seasons on them and put larger tag limits on them as well because they want more people to kill wolves.
01:35:43.000The further north you go, the colder the weather is, the larger the animals are.
01:35:46.000And so you get in these larger wolves.
01:35:48.000I mean, they're the same species, technically, but it's just like white-tailed deer.
01:35:53.000White-tailed deer in Mexico tend to only be like around 100 pounds.
01:35:57.000But when you get up to Alberta, white-tailed deer get to like 250, 300 pounds sometimes because it's much colder and they need to have more body mass to keep their body heat up.
01:36:12.000The funniest thing is when we were in Vegas yesterday, I met up with a friend of a friend and I was like, you and your boyfriend have got to come to Sydney sometime.
01:39:43.000It was interesting having him on because somewhere along the line, I realized that he was sizing me up to figure out whether or not he could do a story on me.
01:39:52.000Well, I think he thinks that I'm starting a cult or something like that, or he heard it, because he's like, I've met all these people that tell me I have to go on the Joe Rogan podcast.
01:40:00.000And he's like, they have this thing in their eye, they look a little crazy.
01:40:02.000And he's like, are you starting a cult?
01:40:04.000Like, he had this conversation with me, and I'm like, no, man.
01:40:50.000But the thing I was going to say about, which is interesting about the internet, we were talking about this on the way here, is like in my gym, each person or has their own kind of little...
01:40:59.000Okay, so for example, like most guys listen to your show, right?
01:41:35.000And then second of all, to have different radio shows that you listen to is very difficult to get a hold of copies.
01:41:41.000I have a bunch of Terrence McKenna recordings and Alan Watts and a few different interesting people, like a few Timothy Leary things that I've downloaded here and there from various websites.
01:41:54.000We used to have a little CD of you, and I remember I was saying the first time we heard your stuff was my friends in high school, and this is 15 years ago or something, smoking cigarettes and listening to this crazy dude on a CD talking about little athletes going to China and stuff.
01:42:12.000That was probably like your older stuff, right?
01:42:26.000It was about someone going to the Olympics and then having to go to high school after they win the gold medal in the Olympics and take math seriously.
01:42:34.000The teacher starts giving them shit about not doing their homework.
01:42:37.000But the thing is that your stand-up, and probably back in the day, like Bill Hicks and stuff, was kind of a dirty little secret that made me sound smarter at parties, you know?
01:42:47.000And nowadays, everybody listens to podcasts.
01:44:59.000First of all, there's seven fucking billion people on the planet, 300 million people in this country, and the idea that you should only want people to listen to your podcast is foolish.
01:45:08.000And from what I stated before, you're going to get bored of me.
01:45:12.000There should be a lot of other shit you tune into.
01:45:18.000Podcast also, I think the better you get at something, the more you do it.
01:45:22.000And when I say the podcast is the same as it's always been, I don't necessarily know because I think I've probably changed as a human being.
01:45:29.000I'm evolving, at least I try to, constantly working on myself.
01:45:32.000So I would hope that the podcast gets better.
01:45:35.000Along the way, you kind of realize that there's plenty for everybody.
01:45:41.000But I'm like that with everything, man.
01:45:43.000I promote all my friends when it comes to stand-up comedy, when it comes to everything.
01:45:47.000I think that the idea of only promoting yourself or only pushing yourself, that's a famine mentality.
01:45:54.000And I think that mentality is a very dangerous mentality.
01:47:33.000Well, there's an art to conversation and that's one of the things you find out about doing podcasts.
01:47:38.000You find out about the art of conversation.
01:47:41.000You find out about the art of when to talk, when not to talk, listening, actually interacting with people instead of just trying to say your things.
01:47:49.000There's some people that are frustrating to do podcasts with because all they're trying to do is impress upon you how much they know and spout out facts and quote people and you're like, Jesus fucking Christ, did you even listen to what I said?
01:48:01.000You just waited until I was done and then you spit out a bunch of quotes and shit that are not even related.
01:48:06.000They have this idea that they want to get out and A lot of it is like trying to sound cool.
01:49:05.000Because, look, we were sitting there with my friend who's a psychologist, and Dylan and I were there, and we recorded about 20 before that, and it was just like...
01:50:02.000Some people, by the way, they fucking never get better.
01:50:05.000They'll podcast for hundreds of episodes and they still say stupid shit and jump in the wrong time and fuck up the flow of the conversation and make it all about them.
01:50:18.000You're going to have guests on or disasters that you're never going to have on again and you recognize that while you're talking to them like, oh fuck, I can never have this guy on again.
01:50:26.000Some people are just not fucking interesting.
01:50:42.000Sometimes I were talking before about some people, we're talking about what, and meanwhile I've just talked over him for the whole podcast, I brought him here.
01:51:28.000It's going to be hard listening to the feedback because a bunch of people are going to write, Z, Z, Z, Z, Z, fucking boring, kill yourself.
01:51:35.000I mean, there's going to be a lot of that.
01:51:37.000You're going to have to deal with that.
01:51:40.000You're going to have to deal with that.
01:51:41.000But listen, I would think that just your stories about Thailand, I mean, just the story that you were telling me about dealing with those bodies, just that alone, like, holy shit.
01:51:57.000Yeah, I mean, the stories, a lot of them are, you know, I think funny to me, like being of a Jewish background, for example, I never ate pork.
01:52:11.000Yeah, you know, we're transporting bodies off on one boat and we'll sit in the middle making sure no bodies jumped off the side or fell off the side and then we'll transport food back onto the island without cleaning anything.
01:57:48.000You see them everywhere on the road, wombats and kangaroos.
01:57:52.000When we were out about a year ago, one tried to jump through the window while we were driving.
01:57:56.000We don't personally hunt kangaroos, but you can do it in a certain area.
01:58:02.000There's just too many of them, it gets boring.
01:58:04.000But the one thing I was going to say, I don't know, Americans probably haven't seen this, and there was a bit of a legal thing going on in Australia, but it just reminded me of Skippy.
01:58:57.000So basically what happened was a guy took all existing Home and Away stuff and he dubbed over it and made Alf into this character who's basically like a serial killer slash murder rapist that loves like little Colombian boys.
01:59:12.000And now it's been quoted all over but it ended up on the news because they tried to sue the guy.
01:59:18.000Yeah, that's kind of a douchey thing to do.
02:01:31.000I mean, look, I was against it and then I went to the farms and I was hanging out with the guys and they, you know, like anything, they've got their own logic, you know, and it makes sense.
02:01:42.000The rationale is, look, it cost us a hundred grand last year.
02:01:46.000And, you know, it's basically like, look, we're growing food for people and they're destroying it.
02:03:11.000No, I'm not talking about just hunting.
02:03:12.000I mean, as in, like, hardcore animal slaughter...
02:03:17.000Well, you know, it depends on what you're doing it for.
02:03:21.000I mean, what these people are doing with this Apocalypse Now video where they're shooting them out of helicopters, they actually have to eradicate these pigs from these farms.
02:03:33.000They're growing in population at a staggering rate and they can't control them.
02:03:37.000They have no other options other than hiring hunters.
02:03:42.000So they have companies that they hire to have people come in and shoot these pigs.
02:04:40.000You want to get some barbecued pig in Texas.
02:04:43.000This Porkman, this Pigman guy, Porkman, Pigman has a show now called Boss Hog and it's all about his, he has a barbecue place and he shoots the pigs then brings them to the barbecue place and they serve these wild pigs that they barbecue.
02:05:54.000They see you, they hear you, they smell you, they fucking bolt.
02:05:58.000We saw one of the farmers, there was a whole family, and he went to shoot at them, and the two adult pigs ran one direction, and the kids ran the line up and escaped, and obviously they didn't talk to each other and plan it, but it was brilliant.
02:07:14.000No, I mean like as in there's no farms with kangaroos where they kill, you know, give it health checks and then kill it and then produce it.
02:07:21.000I'm not saying that's better or worse.
02:07:22.000I just mean as in, you know, it shows up in your Woolworths.
02:08:40.000I mean, they do obviously sit down and have a meal here and there, you know.
02:08:43.000But we went out there and Dylan and I were sitting there and we bought our supplies in our little bag and, you know, we had our snacks and all this and that.
02:09:11.000But after a couple of days, I started to realize, like, I think we put a bit too much emphasis on what we eat because we ate red meat straight for four days almost.
02:09:22.000And we had a little bit of this and that.
02:09:24.000And because we weren't eating a lot of it, we actually felt quite healthy.
02:09:28.000Like, hasn't our body adapted to kind of just doing what we were doing?
02:09:52.000I think the funniest thing was like, first I brought my brother up there and I've got like, you know, my jacket on, I've got like ammunition, I've got my nice survival kit, bandages for snakes.
02:10:02.000And I'm like pulling out to check, I've got everything, my torches.
02:10:05.000Liam pulls out a, he pulls out a sandwich bag with salad.
02:10:59.000There's so much vitamins and so much nutrition in wild game too because they're eating wild grasses and wild plants that are just filled with natural nutrients.
02:11:11.000Rabbit's actually one of the best things I've ever eaten.
02:11:47.000Oh yeah, you can get that all over the place.
02:11:49.000Well, certain places like in Pennsylvania, there's certain parts of Pennsylvania where they change their deer hunting season to all year round.
02:12:07.000These guys set up these estates, these beautiful homes that have these giant pieces of property, like 20, 30 acres, and they had fucking so many deer hitting cars, or cars hitting deer, rather.
02:12:20.000Deers eating people's lawns and all kinds of shit, eating their gardens, rather, eating their roses.
02:12:25.000That they brought in these hunters to set up tree stands in these suburban neighborhoods.
02:13:12.000You know, the shoes you wear, the belt you wear...
02:13:15.000And then on top of that, if you buy organic vegetables and you think you're away from killing, they fucking run machines over those vegetables to collect them, and they're chopping up a lot of rabbits, a lot of mice.
02:13:27.000More animals are killed per pound of vegetables than are killed per pound of meat.
02:15:00.000It was almost like the chicken figured out that we were going to fuck it up and it completely backed off of all of its aggressive behavior.
02:15:53.000My dad was big into karate and, you know, like the karate guys, they have this kind of like, they follow different, you know, like they catch on to a certain philosophy.
02:16:16.000It's about the size of this table, you know, like it's, and you see all these homeless dudes walking around and they look like they're bodybuilders.
02:16:23.000There's a misconception about chicken breasts, and it really is not that they pump them up with hormones.
02:16:29.000Cattle is what they use hormones on, but chickens, it's just breeding.
02:16:33.000They've just bred larger-breasted chickens until they only genetically select the larger-breasted chickens, and to the point where these chickens, they're so large-breasted that they can't fly.
02:16:46.000They don't fly for very long, but they can fly for short distances.
02:16:49.000My chickens, they have roosts, and they can jump up to the roosts.
02:16:54.000They flop up to the roosts and then sit there.
02:16:57.000But these chickens aren't going nowhere.
02:16:59.000They're fucking these giant fat tits chickens.
02:17:02.000But it's genetic selection more than hormones.
02:17:06.000Not that chickens haven't been shot up with hormones before.
02:17:09.000With chickens, it's more antibiotics that they have to deal with because they're on top of each other and they're getting sick all the time.
02:17:15.000And they're also feeding them chicken.
02:17:17.000It's like they're feeding chickens chickens.
02:17:20.000They're feeding them chicken shit and chicken heads and chicken assholes.
02:17:24.000If you feed them a healthy diet, the omnivorous diet that a regular chicken eats, you get healthier eggs, you get healthier animals.
02:18:39.000He got in trouble for killing a goat and cooking it in his yard because he butchered the goat in his yard and they were upset at him for doing that.
02:18:48.000And he didn't understand, because he's from Mexico, and he goes, but you eat meat.
02:18:54.000If you eat meat, why do you care how the animal gets killed?
02:19:42.000My dad was telling me, well, our whole family would die of heart disease.
02:19:46.000The oldest one's like 62. And he was telling me their favorite dish was you'd take all the leftovers, put it on a pan, fry it, skin, bones, everything, right?
02:19:55.000You'd fry it until it liquefies, and then you'd pour it into a bottle, and then dip it in ice, and then you'd take it and you'd just wipe it on your bread.
02:20:38.000But there's a lot of people that eat meat and have eaten meat and don't have a problem with ordering a cheeseburger, but they really look down on people that hunt.
02:20:47.000It's not the easiest way, obviously, but I think it's the easiest on your...
02:20:51.000The ethical dilemma is the easiest because you're dealing with an animal like that deer right there had no idea a human being was even a thing until it saw us and then it was dead moments later.
02:21:03.000You know, I shot that deer in the middle of the forest in Montana.
02:21:07.000I mean, that fucking deer was living in the wild country of Montana and...
02:21:50.000They're jammed into some pig box, like pigs are, and they do run around free, and they do eat grass, but they're fucking shit in their pants any time a person comes near them.
02:22:00.000We did some city boys, did some cow herding.
02:22:04.000Man, not only is that fucking terrifying, if you're in a pen with these cows, I mean, they don't attack humans, but they're big.
02:22:37.000If I was in another country, and maybe it was for a television show or something like that, and they were serving dogs...
02:22:44.000I would have a real hard time with it still.
02:22:46.000I might do it just to see what it tastes like and just to, you know, if I was over someone's home and they offered it to me and it was part of their culture, I don't think that I would insult them and say that I wouldn't eat it.
02:22:57.000And if I eat pig, I mean pig and dog are supposed to be, like a dog is supposed to be actually as intelligent or more, or excuse me, a pig is supposed to be as intelligent or more than a dog.
02:24:43.000Well, there's a bond that humans have with dogs and especially that's a thing that people don't understand that dogs and hunting have gone hand in hand forever.
02:24:50.000One of the reasons why we have such a tight bond with dogs in the first place is that dogs were used not just to keep animals away like keep wolves away from camps but to help people hunt.
02:25:00.000He was devastated when we were in Vietnam.
02:25:03.000They served us some starters and afterwards we didn't know what they were and he discovered he'd eaten his man's best friend.
02:25:32.000I actually was like, look, Dylan, listen, you know, like, you know, you love Muay Thai, I get that, but you've got to understand, people want to see a Thai boxer that's got a little bit of, like...
02:27:17.000So for you to be a vegan and have a fucking cat living in your house, you're involved in the killing of animals whether you like it or not.
02:27:25.000I mean, I guess there's probably some vegan cat food, but I can't imagine it.
02:28:14.000Relatively small but deeply dedicated group of vegan pet owners who believe their cats and dogs' diets should reflect their own beliefs about the treatment of animals and the environmentally sustainable lifestyles.
02:29:39.000Apparently, what they're saying is, for a lot of these people that are making these diets for these dogs, there's like a big debate on whether or not it's healthy for the dogs.
02:30:35.000Apparently what they're saying is that dogs and cats have a much different nutritional requirement than human beings and that they need much higher protein intake than a human does.
02:30:47.000So especially dogs can eat a bunch of other shit like yams and Potatoes and all these different other things.
02:30:52.000And it's okay as long as they get sufficient amount of protein, but it's almost impossible to get the amount of protein that a dog needs with just plants.
02:31:37.000Like, everybody who's been pushing all the tofu and all the soy stuff over the last couple of years, they're starting to get breast cancer, man.
02:31:45.000You know, like, it's just, you're discovering it's bad for you.
02:31:48.000I used to eat that stuff instead of milk, and I'd always feel sick, but I was like, it's got to be healthy for you.
02:32:50.000If you ever go to Thailand, man, the most vicious things you see, and you see it in the hospitals, the chicks with the guy as they bottle...
02:32:57.000Like, if you're going to fight with a guy, the chicks, the hooker chicks will smash a bottle on you.
02:33:15.000Especially if you're a woman and you don't have a lot of physical strength, you hit a guy with a bottle and open him up like a fucking tomato.
02:33:58.000Yeah, but you know one thing I was going to say is it always shocks me when you see dudes in another country like Vietnam, Thailand, Brazil starting fights with the locals.
02:35:09.000He was doing the rescue, and I think he got really attached to not just...
02:35:14.000And, man, you know, the thing I was saying, like, we were talking about this before, me and him, like, you know, like, when you finish pro fighting, what do you do?
02:35:21.000And I think, like, it was kind of like, you're not, you know, you're doing all this fighting, and you're being admired, and you're brave, and everybody's like, Dylan, Dylan, Dylan.
02:35:28.000And afterwards, you stop, and you're just like...
02:35:31.000So he's going over to Thailand and he's rescuing people and suddenly you're feeling important again, right?
02:35:36.000But he got really attached and actually at one stage I wanted to go live there.
02:35:42.000We had a few arguments about it, and eventually I just said, I think you should go, because I didn't want the gym and me to be holding him back.
02:35:49.000And he went there, and two months later, he's like, I'm ready to come home.
02:35:51.000Did you ever think about competing in jiu-jitsu to maybe just spark your competitive desires and avoid head trauma?
02:35:59.000I competed a fair bit in jiu-jitsu, and I loved it, you know?
02:36:04.000But, you know, I don't know, like when I hit, you know, when I was there, like for those two, three months last year, like Liam said, I got really addicted to the ambulance.
02:36:24.000You know, one accident I went to, I was trying to actually put back three bodies back together over like, I don't know, a quarter mile, 100 meters, it's less than a quarter mile, 100 meters trying to put everyone back together.
02:37:35.000So, you know, I'd be driving, and then after a while, they started racing me to the driver's seat, because I'd just lay next to the ambulance, and used to race me there.
02:37:44.000And I was like, man, why don't they, you know, I said, why do you guys not like me driving anymore?
02:37:48.000He said, Dylan, when you drive, man, we're every religion.
02:37:52.000And it sat with me and I'm thinking, what the hell are they talking about?
02:40:40.000And I got to the stage where I was like, I have to either quit martial arts or quit smoking, and I couldn't quit smoking because I was getting sick a lot from my lungs and my sinuses.
02:40:48.000So I'd go train and then have a cigarette.
02:41:04.000Look, I mean, we started as teenagers, as stupid idiots, and, you know, everyone just...
02:41:07.000That's what you did socially when you'd meet up and smoke, but I was actually one of the last ones smoking, and I felt really down on myself, really, like, weak about the fact I couldn't quit.
02:41:16.000You know, I quit when I was 22, which was, like, 11 years ago, but I haven't...
02:41:20.000You know, like, I actually got to a stage where I was that addicted to it that I couldn't, I almost quit, like, training.
02:41:28.000Because I couldn't, my health couldn't put up with physical exercise.
02:41:54.000I just want to punch them in the face.
02:41:55.000When I was in the casino, and I was sitting there, and there's kids right next to a guy blowing smoke on them, and I'm thinking, why don't you just hit them with your car?
02:42:23.000It's like almost, on average, more people that smoke cigarettes litter with those cigarettes than anything.
02:42:29.000I had a guy over my fucking house that was working on my house, and he's sitting out in my backyard, and he smokes, and then he throws a cigarette on the ground.
02:44:58.000Only because I was on Tinder there that we found out.
02:45:00.000Wait a minute, their first name or their last name?
02:45:02.000Now if you cycle back, that big Chinese guy on the left there, when I say Lawrence, I think of a big Chinese guy with a guillotine that kills you, right?
02:46:33.000You know, so my friend's a psychologist and he just started getting pissed off and so he coined this whole growing down thing which is about stop listening to other people and start fucking listening to yourself basically.
02:46:45.000That's a great idea because by the way, not only will other people give you shitty advice, they will give you shitty advice because they got shitty advice and they want you to continue the tradition of suffering.
02:48:51.000So, like, you're about to go up on stage and some guy comes up and he goes, man, before I go on stage, I usually go do a quick shot of, like, tequila up my nose.
02:49:19.000They think it's good to train hard the day before the fight, but training breaks the body down.
02:49:24.000The whole purpose of training is to break the body down.
02:49:27.000If you don't understand that, then you need to talk to someone who's an exercise physiologist and understand what is the purpose of working out.
02:49:33.000Working out taxes the body so the body heals.
02:50:21.000Yeah, he's very good, very smart and very technical.
02:50:24.000But, you know, a lot of guys didn't do it that way and they have suffered because of it.
02:50:28.000There's a lot of damage that gets done that's unnecessary, whether it's in training, whether it's, you know, in preparation, strength and conditioning, whatever it is.
02:51:55.000Yeah, I have friends that trained and fought in Thailand, and they were telling me about everybody smoking cigarettes, and my friend Chris started smoking when he was in Thailand because he was fighting.
02:52:04.000He was fighting in Thailand, everybody was training and smoking, and he started smoking too, just like to be one of the gang.
02:53:09.000Gokan Saki knocked him out in the first round, broke his eardrum, and stopped the fight.
02:53:13.000And then he had to go into the final round, Gokan Saki did, against Tyrone Spong, where Tyrone Spong fought three hard rounds, this young Brazilian kid, and then fought in the round and broke his leg.
02:53:27.000I don't think the shin break came from the fact that he had to fight three rounds and Gokan had to fight one, but the idea that one guy could fight one round...
02:53:36.000And then the other guy could go three rounds and go to war, and then they meet in the finals.
02:53:42.000And I think in this day and age, in 2014, with what we know about concussed fighters, head injuries, and then taking a break and cooling down in between that fight and having an hour in between the first fight and the second, I think it's fucking crazy.
02:53:56.000But also the removal of clinch makes it fucking dangerous.
02:54:58.000I loved it back when it was on K1. It's amazing to watch.
02:55:02.000But I think for the athletes, when you're dealing with world-class athletes, like a Tyrone Spong, like a Gokhan Saki, I just think it's unfair, and I think it's the wrong way.
02:55:11.000I almost feel like it's disrespectful to the sport itself.
02:55:16.000To force world-class fighters to fight more than once in a night, I think is outrageous.
02:55:19.000But the thing I was going to say just quickly about that is one of the bigger problems I think with Glory is it's also going to reduce the...
02:55:27.000Like Muay Thai in America is basically kickboxing with knees and elbows, right?
02:55:32.000The clinch in Thailand is like 30-40% of Thai boxing.
02:55:37.000Not in America, not in Holland, right?
02:55:39.000So you're seeing all these guys coming into MMA. Not only is it going to increase head damage because there's no clinching, but also the skill sets that come from the clinch, they don't exist in MMA yet.
02:55:51.000Well, you see it a little bit with Anderson Silva.
02:55:53.000You see with a few Muay Thai guys, they know how to clinch.
02:55:55.000This sounds really stupid because you've got a bad neck, but I was saying like, if you get to clinch with like a Thai, I'm trying to say it modestly, like real clinch, like Thai clinch, it's almost like doing flowing Greco.
02:56:09.000There's body locks, back takes, snap downs.
02:57:30.000I couldn't agree more and I think that we're on the same page as far as the respect for the athletes making them fight more than once a night against world-class guys on an uneven playing field like you could have fought like you could fight a world-class guy and get rocked a bunch of times in three rounds and be really fucked up in that dressing room when you're preparing for the title and the other guy lands a head kick 15 seconds into the fight and you're both fighting in the finals against each other.