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00:05:45.000Steve Maxwell is, for folks who don't know, a long-time Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt, long-time strength and conditioning guru, and my friend.
00:05:55.000And I found out about you from DVDs, actually.
00:05:58.000I think someone from the underground posted up a link to one of your DVDs a while back.
00:06:04.000And I got one of your Kettlebell DVDs, which I thought was very informative and very interesting.
00:06:09.000And then I started reading about your lifestyle and reading about your philosophies on training and reading some of your blog entries.
00:06:19.000You're an unusual dude when it comes to the strength and conditioning and fitness and just the wellness advocates.
00:06:27.000You usually have a bunch of different schools of thought when it comes to those.
00:06:31.000You've got meatheads who are just into lifting the heaviest weights that they can and getting as big as they can.
00:08:57.000Well, I first heard that term from you, actually.
00:09:00.000I believe it was reading your blog or reading a conversation that you had with someone, but the term physical culture, like being involved in physical culture.
00:09:40.000People will do things because they can do things.
00:09:42.000And people just want to get as big and freaky as possible.
00:09:46.000It's a bit of dysmorphia too, isn't it?
00:09:48.000Isn't it sort of like an anorexic that doesn't realize they're so skinny looking or a woman who has enormous fake breasts and still doesn't think they're big enough?
00:09:57.000There's some sort of a weird psychological condition where people can't see themselves.
00:10:02.000There's definitely a disconnect in there somewhere where they have a very skewed body image of themselves.
00:10:09.000But yeah, back in the 60s, it was pretty innocent still.
00:10:12.000I mean, steroids existed, but it wasn't prevalent.
00:10:16.000Most of the information, if you're looking for really good solid information about sports training, you have to go before 1950. Really?
00:10:27.000Well, I mean, that's when steroids began to make inroads into Olympic weightlifting, and of course, that's when the Eastern Bloc really started getting into this stuff.
00:10:36.000Of course, it's not like the U.S. didn't have plenty of drugs, too.
00:10:52.000Milk was considered a bodybuilding food.
00:10:55.000And you can trace that, clear back, you know, thousands of years ago, even into India, where the Hindu wrestlers would drink the milk and eat almonds in an effort to build mass on their bodies.
00:11:13.000Well, everyone, you know, talks about lactose intolerance and things along those lines, but a big issue with lactose intolerance is just homogenized and pasteurized milk.
00:11:22.000And, you know, I've talked about that in the podcast and people have said, yeah, well, if you don't do that, people are going to get sick and...
00:11:28.000That's not because of the That's not because the milk is bad.
00:11:47.000It's because somehow or another it was handled poorly and people got sick because of it.
00:11:52.000But this idea that pasteurization and homogenization is the only way to go with milk is really ridiculous.
00:12:29.000They eat grass in nature, in the wild.
00:12:33.000And then like you said, you superheat the milk and you cook it literally to death until there's nothing left in it.
00:12:39.000No wonder people have – And then on top of that, people are drinking milk combined with all other kind of stuff and overburdening their digestive system, overdrinking milk, and your body develops an intolerance.
00:12:54.000Yeah, people have this aversion to bacteria, but what folks have to get in their heads, like this idea that homogenization and pasteurization is the only way to go because it kills all the bad stuff, but it also kills the good stuff.
00:13:09.000I mean, sure, you're going to get some protein and calcium out of milk that's homogenized and pasteurized, but you're taking in cultures when you're drinking milk.
00:13:16.000You're taking in a part of that animal's body.
00:13:19.000The closer it is to being alive, the better it is for your body.
00:13:23.000That's why meat is supposed to be consumed medium rare or rare.
00:16:14.000In many cases, when the immune system is really, really strong, you even fight off cases of worms and all sorts of stuff.
00:16:21.000Your body is amazing in its resilience.
00:16:25.000Do you follow anything like a Gracie diet or one of those things where you don't combine foods to give your digestive system a bit of a break?
00:18:29.000And all these meals are interchangeable.
00:18:31.000I can have my protein meal for breakfast.
00:18:32.000I can have my protein meal for lunch and so forth.
00:18:35.000And usually with a protein meal, if it's really cold or I'm really hungry, I'll have a little soup and I'll have a raw leaf green vegetable salad, occasionally a couple of cooked vegetables, but basically meat and vegetables.
00:18:47.000And when I say meat, I'm talking about fish, fowl, you know, all the type of flesh foods and so forth.
00:18:54.000And since adopting that, I feel fantastic.
00:20:00.000Your body, once again, your immune system, when you're eating in accordance with nature and you're not overburdening the system, overburdening your digestive system and so forth...
00:20:21.000And I don't know about you, but I know you fly all over the place to do your comedy act and so forth.
00:20:28.000And I find that if I rest up really well and don't do anything too strenuous, I bounce back pretty quick.
00:20:36.000I find that also, I have to exercise when I land.
00:20:41.000When I land, that's my secret to avoiding the real feelings of jet lag.
00:20:46.000I get to the gym, I hit the elliptical machine, and I just do a hard half an hour on the elliptical machine.
00:20:51.000Just something about, it forces my body into that sort of recovery response, and that kicks everything up a notch.
00:20:58.000And it just seems to really help keep my energy at high levels when I fly.
00:21:01.000Well, depending on what time of the day I'll land, one of my secrets for making the transition, the second I get on the plane, I reset my watch to whatever time zone I'm going to be in.
00:21:43.000You match the inhale exhales to your steps and you see how many steps you can get up to on the inhale and how many steps you can get on the exhale.
00:21:52.000So you might be taking like 20 steps in one inhale and exhaling over 20 steps and you'll keep that going.
00:22:57.000So you went down there in 1998. You stayed for a month with Elio Gracie.
00:23:02.000For folks who don't know, Elio Gracie is one of the most important figures in the history of martial arts, if not the most important figure.
00:23:10.000Him and Carlos Gracie essentially created what we call modern Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.
00:23:18.000And since then, there's been a lot of innovation and a lot of change and a lot of growth since that time, since the 1940s and 50s and 60s and on through...
00:23:28.000The Hickson, Hoyce, you know, all these guys that came up afterwards, you know, through the 90s, and then once the Ultimate Fighting Championship came around, boy, it just skyrocketed.
00:24:45.000Well, I have girls, but I teach them jiu-jitsu, but I make it fun.
00:24:48.000I have them arm bar me, and I just show them where to put their legs, and how to pull, and how to set up the position, and I show them the mount.
00:24:57.000But what's really fascinating is, you know, you're familiar with the concept that there's certain things that get passed on through genetics.
00:25:04.000In fact, they've proven that with certain mice, that they can take mice, and they can...
00:25:13.000They put a smell in the air, and when that smell happens, like a citrusy smell, they'll give an electrical shock to the feet of the mice, like they're standing on this thing.
00:25:23.000And when they smell this smell, they zap their feet.
00:25:26.000Not to kill them, just enough to make them realize, yikes, this is not good.
00:25:31.000Their children, with no electricity whatsoever, smell that smell, and a panic ensues.
00:25:44.000My three-year-old, when her and my four-year-old, well, her and my five-year-old started rolling around, the three-year-old would take the back and go over-under.
00:25:55.000She throws the hooks in, and she goes like this, and she hangs on.
00:28:27.000Don't leave your iPhone laying around your room key or anything, because little suckers will grab it, and then you have to bribe them to get it back.
00:33:36.000It was this little tiny thing, and I was holding it, and it was hanging on to me, and then it would rotate on me, and then it slapped my back.
00:33:44.000And I was like, Jesus Christ, this little baby could probably fuck me up.
00:35:16.000I actually had it in my gym at one point, this gorilla.
00:35:19.000But I saw Mickey throw a fit with his trainer one time and threw a head of cabbage at the guy because he was pissed off about something, I don't know.
00:35:27.000But it hit the guy in the head and knocked him out.
00:37:29.000What was really amazing to me was the chimpanzees, they commit murder and rape and the different tribes actually hunt each other and they're cannibals.
00:39:18.000Yeah, there's a company near me that sells cold-pressed juices, and God, they're so good.
00:39:23.000And they're, I mean, this company, they have like cabbage and all these, I mean, they don't taste the best, but God damn, you just feel the nutrients when you drink it.
00:40:50.000I think maybe he sacrificed a little bit of muscle mass for maybe more cardio.
00:40:55.000But he's also fluctuated back and forth now.
00:40:58.000He's done a few fights at 170, like with Jake Ellenberger, Martin Campman, and then he's gone down to 55, and he goes back and forth.
00:41:06.000He actually said that before his last fight, he ate some bad beef tartare and got sick, and that he had some sort of food poisoning that sapped him of his strength.
00:41:19.000Before the Miles Jury fight, his last fight.
00:41:21.000I thought that was crazy that he would eat beef tartare right before he fought a major UFC fight without knowing the source of...
00:42:34.000Plus, you don't have to go broke going out to dinner all the time in restaurants and so forth because usually these places have stoves or ovens and you can cook.
00:42:43.000Sometimes you'll walk out and have a blender or something.
00:42:57.000I eat out a lot, but the kind of diet I have is really not that hard.
00:43:01.000A lot of times I'll just go to grocery stores and so forth and buy the food and bring it back.
00:43:06.000I find, believe it or not, in Europe and even Russia, I was just in Russia not too long ago, the food is superior to what we have in the United States.
00:43:27.000It's all waxy and shiny and everything's lined up.
00:43:30.000And of course, unless you're going to like an organic place, you know, like Whole Foods or something.
00:43:34.000But if you're not buying organic produce, you know, the produce always looks so uniform and so pretty, but it tastes kind of like cardboard.
00:43:42.000In Europe, it looks like they've just picked the apples out of someone's backyard.
00:43:47.000I mean, sometimes they'll have holes and they're irregular shaped.
00:43:50.000I mean, it just looks like fruit you pick off a tree.
00:44:19.000Boy, have you ever had, folks who've never had heirloom tomatoes, you know, you see, the tomatoes that we have in stores today, a lot of times what you're getting is these genetically modified tomatoes that are surviving for long periods of time since they've been picked to the time that you eat them.
00:44:34.000They can last weeks and weeks and weeks, which is not normal.
00:44:37.000I grow tomatoes, and if I take one of my tomatoes and I pick it, then I put it on my counter, in a couple of days it starts getting funky.
00:45:50.000They eat grass and worms and they eat.
00:45:53.000They eat table scraps too, which is great, because food that we necessarily might not eat, you scrape a plate off, it doesn't have to look pretty.
00:46:03.000Leftovers, we do eat leftovers, and we'll seal them and put them back in the refrigerator, but the stuff that's just a little bit left on your plate, we'll just take a little bit of that from everybody's plate, put it on a plate, put it out there for the chickens, and they go nuts for it.
00:46:17.000You know, we don't feed them chicken, of course, but, you know, we'll feed them beef and we'll feed them vegetables and, you know, they'll eat all sorts of different things.
00:46:24.000That was like Elie Gracie's farm in Terrazopolis.
00:46:26.000You know, he lived up in the hills and he had his own farm and he had his own chickens that were free range.
00:48:24.000No one ever says, hey, I'm going to take this money and I'm going to invest in a patch of land and soil and farming tools and heirloom seeds, and I'm going to grow my own food.
00:54:42.000With Horian or Hoyce or Hoyler or Hickson.
00:54:46.000And if I got one move in that hour, I call it my $100 move.
00:54:52.000Because usually there would be, you know how it is in jiu-jitsu, especially when you're a blue belt, you get really confused and you get in these positions over and over again and you can't quite figure out what to do.
00:55:03.000And if they would give me the answer to that particular problem, I would say, oh, that was the $100 move.
00:55:08.000That was worth every penny to me because that's how into it I was.
00:55:13.000And then I would go through my $1,000 or so, right, with the private lessons.
00:55:16.000And, of course, they would throw the classes in for free since I was buying so many privates.
00:55:21.000And then I would go back, and I had mats in my gym, and then I would just call up all my old wrestling buddies, and there was a judo club nearby, I would call those guys in, and there was the keto guys down the street, and I would just basically beat up these poor guys.
00:55:36.000You just didn't know what you were doing.
00:57:19.000And he just basically thrashed me for 10 minutes straight, nonstop.
00:57:23.000I was just utterly exhausted, not to mention just the trauma of just being thrown around by your idol or your hero, you know, and who was mad at you.
00:57:32.000So there was that emotional thing going on.
00:57:35.000And then he says, okay, how does it feel, Steve?
00:59:11.000And, you know, you can protect yourself while you're doing that, and then slowly but surely, a guy who's going to, unless you're dealing with a three-minute match, you're going to have your opportunities.
00:59:20.000And, you know, I mean, I'm not against the competition aspect of it, but it is different.
00:59:24.000I know Elio told me one time that he considered the modern-day competition to be anti-jujitsu.
00:59:29.000I thought that was an interesting statement.
00:59:31.000He says, I would have never been able to win, like, one of these modern-style matches with the points and all that.
00:59:49.000I mean, he did stretching and, you know, basic jiu-jitsu conditioning stuff, but he never really believed in weight training or any of that.
00:59:56.000But, you know, he always mentioned how weak he was, but he did have his strength.
01:00:00.000His grips were pretty amazing, even for an old man.
01:00:02.000And, of course, he had these huge Popeye-type forearms, you know.
01:00:05.000So, I mean, it was obvious that he definitely had some athleticism and strength.
01:00:09.000But he was such a lightweight guy, there was no way he was going to overpower anyone.
01:00:21.000I read the Japanese translation into English.
01:00:24.000And of course, it definitely had a Japanese prejudice to it.
01:00:27.000But that guy was a pretty amazing guy.
01:00:30.000He was a representative sent from the Kodokan.
01:00:32.000Shigeru Kano organized all the Jiu-Jitsu clans in Japan and was trying to come up with the one style of Jiu-Jitsu, which he called Judo, the gentle way.
01:00:43.000In those days, there was a lot of ground fighting, throws into joint locks.
01:00:47.000All the stuff that's illegal in modern-day Judo was still part of the game.
01:01:55.000And that became part of the training for Army aviators during World War II. And a lot of the Army guys in World War II, jujitsu was the basis for the self-defense in the U.S. Army.
01:02:09.000And then one of his cohorts was humiliated by a champion wrestler from West Point.
01:02:17.000And Maeda got some Japanese businessmen to put up some money and then he beat the guy that beat his partner.
01:02:26.000And then from there he emigrated to Cuba and did all these fights in Cuba.
01:02:30.000I mean he was fighting like apparently for money a couple times a week.
01:02:35.000He went to Mexico and they would go to the mining camps or lumberjack camps where he had all these guys with a lot of money and they would bet And sometimes he would almost lose a match on purpose to encourage guys to come out there and say,
01:03:15.000The Kotokan is the main sanctioning body.
01:03:17.000That was the main sanctioning body in Japan at that time.
01:03:22.000And so he kept going further and further down and then of course the Gracies met him and helped him get a Japanese immigration colony started.
01:03:31.000The father of Carlos Gracie helped this Maeda guy get established.
01:03:39.000In gratitude, he taught the five sons.
01:03:45.000It was Carlos, Oswaldo, I forget the guys, but Carlos had the five brothers.
01:03:52.000The only guy that didn't directly get taught was Elio.
01:03:54.000Elio learned his jiu-jitsu pretty much from Carlos.
01:03:57.000He was a very weak, sickly child at the time, and they basically were doing the jiu-jitsu of Maeda.
01:04:07.000Elio would watch his brother teach, and then it was discovered that, wow, he's really adept at this.
01:04:14.000He has a real knack for teaching and doing jiu-jitsu.
01:04:18.000Carlos kind of just handed the reins over to Elio, and then he took it and ran with it and developed it, and the rest is pretty much history.
01:04:23.000It's so fascinating that even to this day, the smaller guys are the more technical guys.
01:04:29.000And when you think about the birth of jiu-jitsu happening from Carlos teaching Elio and Elio being a small guy, his jiu-jitsu became very technical.
01:04:37.000Like the last UFC, we were talking about this one.
01:04:39.000It comes up when the flyweights and the bantamweights, these 125, 135-pound fighters.
01:04:45.000And I've said many, many times, if you want to see excellent technique, these are really the guys to watch.
01:04:50.000First of all, because they never get tired.
01:04:52.000And two, because when you're a 125-pound guy and you're at the gym, you're not muscling anybody around.
01:05:33.000Everyone is strong in good shape, but they have incredible technique at that level.
01:05:39.000So if you've been basing most of your winnings on athleticism and strength and all that, once you hit Brown Belt, man, forget it.
01:05:48.000It's not going to happen too much anymore.
01:05:50.000Yeah, I've always said, man, if you could get a guy like Mark Coleman, who was such a dominant wrestler in his prime, you know, when he was UFC heavyweight champion, if that guy just fell in love with jiu-jitsu and just was passing the guard, mounting, taking backs, taking arm bars, I mean, he would have just been a fucking beast.
01:07:32.000But they do a great job of explaining that.
01:07:34.000And showing how technical the European and the Russian wrestlers are and how much more they rely on those techniques and the subtle varieties of their exchanges and their entrances into techniques.
01:13:54.000After a year of different therapies, like I did prolo-ozone, which is prolo-therapy with ozone, which stimulates healing, and I did a lot of rolfing, like really hardcore deep tissue massage and soft tissue manipulation.
01:14:17.000The guy, you know, she invented rolfing out of frustration because her son went through that polio epidemic of the 50s and was all twisted up, this poor kid.
01:14:26.000And she took him to specialist after specialist.
01:14:29.000She had a PhD in biochemistry, a very intelligent woman.
01:14:33.000Out of sheer frustration, she just started molding the boy herself.
01:14:37.000And came up with their ideas of rolfing and then began to teach other people the postural integration techniques.
01:15:10.000Well, I had this conversation today with the doctor because I have some photos of it that I'm going to put up on Instagram, but I'll show them to you, what this process is.
01:16:20.000Well, see, we had talked about supplements earlier, right?
01:16:22.000And I used to be quite the supplement hound.
01:16:25.000Anywhere between $250 to $300 a month I was spending on supplements.
01:16:30.000And I quickly realized that I was actually undermining my body's ability to make its own anti-inflammatories.
01:16:38.000Your body, when it's being fed properly, and your digestion is in order, and you're assimilating the nutrients that you need from your diet, you make your own anti-inflammatories.
01:16:49.000And you do not need to be taking a lot of extra nutrients.
01:16:54.000If anything, it throws you completely out of balance.
01:16:57.000Well, I'm sure that your body can make anti-inflammatory responses to injuries, but nothing like this.
01:17:04.000I mean, your body is making it this, but what's genius about this?
01:17:08.000You're using your own body, so it's different than taking a supplement.
01:17:12.000Well, it's also, they're directly injecting it into the, this guy, Dr. Peter Welling, is a spinal surgeon in Dusseldorf, Germany, and he's the one who figured this out.
01:17:23.000He has this two-year study of osteoarthritis of the knee that's published in the medical journal.
01:17:29.000Journal, Osteoarthritis and Cartilage, which started a lot of all this off and got a lot of people invested in this procedure.
01:17:38.000And they figured it out in Germany in like 2003. And the United States has really been hampered with a lot of this research because of all the shit that went down with stem cell research.
01:17:48.000The religious right was, you know, really putting the brakes on any sort of stem cell research and they were connecting stem cell research with Fetal tissue and aborted babies and people are going to abort babies just to get the fetal tissue.
01:18:04.000And this thing that they do, the way that it differentiates between platelet-rich plasma, which is what a lot of people think of when they think of blood spinning.
01:19:36.000The beautiful thing about it is you don't have to worry about your body rejecting it.
01:19:40.000This is all something that your body naturally produces.
01:19:42.000So if you're interested, just run a Google search on it and find out if there's a place anywhere near you that has this.
01:19:50.000But for me, I've had amazing results with this.
01:19:54.000And then from that and the raw thing and all these other different...
01:19:59.000Procedures that I've tried, out of all of them, the Regenikine has had the most dramatic responses because it's pretty dramatic and pretty quickly.
01:20:10.000I've also found that if you have any joint pain, people out there with joint pain, a big one for me has been fish oil.
01:20:17.000Fish oil is really incredible anti-inflammatory properties to it.
01:20:22.000I have a friend who's a carpenter, and he's told me that through taking fish oil, like he used to get really sore knees and elbows after a long day of work, just completely eradicated a lot of that stuff.
01:22:32.000But man, the difference in like the wow, bang, wow, bang, there's a big difference in the spike and crash with that as opposed to this stuff, which is like a slow burn.
01:22:42.000And that's Also, the same thing with eating fructose, which you get from an apple or from an orange.
01:22:48.000It's like you're getting it in a natural way, and it's also, it's sort of a natural reward system.
01:22:53.000Your body's getting this sweetness because you're ingesting all these nutrients.
01:22:57.000Like your body's, it's letting you know, ooh, you feel that mouth pleasure?
01:23:02.000You need the vitamin C, we need the fiber, we need the, you know, it's all good energy, good for your body, as opposed to this weird thing that we've invented where we figured out how to Never before in the history of man were there these type of frankenfruits.
01:25:11.000He was looking at every type of population possible.
01:25:14.000The Inuit, the Polynesians, these different places.
01:25:19.000And he came to the conclusion that man is a very adaptable creature.
01:25:23.000There's any number of diets that a human being can thrive on quite healthfully.
01:25:28.000But the thing that seemed to be commonplace to all these people was the purity of the food.
01:25:35.000The naturalist of the food, the freshness of the food, and the lack of stress in their diets, and of course the exposure to sunlight and the vitamin D and so forth.
01:25:45.000And I mean, in his estimation, the most magnificent of all the populations he studied were the Polynesians, who were living primarily on a starch-based diet, taro, and fish and coconut.
01:25:57.000You were the first person to also set me hip to the idea of suntanning For conditioning, that sun tanning, the vitamin D levels get raised in your body and that – like when Georges St-Pierre would fight with a tan, that there's – it's not for vanity.
01:26:16.000It's – the tanning salons have gotten a bad rap because people go in there and bake themselves just like people bake themselves in the regular sun.
01:26:24.000But if you go in with the idea of not going for the tan, per se, but to convert vitamin D in the skin, even if you're in a place like Iceland, for example, where you don't even get sun half the year, your body makes its own natural vitamin D. And you just go in for a few minutes, maybe four times a month,
01:26:39.000and your body will make all the vitamin D you need.
01:29:54.000I mean, in many animal studies, they found that by systematically underfeeding animals, you prolong their lives a really, really long time.
01:30:01.000You know, Rhonda Patrick, who I just mentioned, one of the things that she brought up was a study where they showed that it's actually a genetic transference that people who have survived through famine, their children actually live longer.
01:30:15.000Like, the children of people who have had, like, less calories Their children actually have longer lifespans.
01:30:49.000You only have but a finite amount of energy, and it gets taxed.
01:30:54.000You know, that's a big debate, the amount of muscle you should have as a martial artist.
01:30:58.000That's a huge issue that comes up a lot.
01:31:02.000It comes up a lot in my own commentary because I find it fascinating.
01:31:05.000There's certain guys, like the guys like the Hector Lombards or the Tyron Woodleys, these really muscular, like abnormally muscular guys, who are fucking hell on wheels for a few minutes.
01:31:16.000But they can't maintain a guy like, say, Diego Sanchez, a guy who's known for having fantastic endurance.
01:31:25.000But Diego's worn a lot of guys out in that third round.
01:31:28.000The third round is where Diego's the scariest motherfucker on earth because he's just as fresh as he was in the first.
01:31:33.000Look at Jake Ellenberger, who's a natural welterweight, brutal knockout puncher, couldn't put Diego away.
01:31:38.000By the time the third round came along, Diego's on his back, pounded on him when the last bell rang.
01:31:43.000A lot of that can be attributed to his ability to keep up that same pace, that ruthless pace.
01:31:51.000Well, a lot of it has to do with the type of nervous system you were born with, whether it's an efficient nervous system or maybe not so efficient.
01:33:36.000I've had acupuncture to release some of the tension in the muscle.
01:33:41.000I've done some kind of other interesting stuff.
01:33:45.000I believe in the power of the subconscious mind to heal the body.
01:33:48.000I do a lot of visualization and prayer and literally image myself getting better.
01:33:54.000I believe that your mind and your subconscious mind is in control of every cell in the body and that if you can get rid of any disbeliefs, your higher mind can actually influence healing in your body.
01:34:08.000Well, that's super unscientific, but bold of you to talk about.
01:34:13.000Because you're a fairly scientific guy.
01:35:05.000Yeah, I mean it's amazing how many studies have shown the placebo effect.
01:35:09.000It all comes down to belief system and believing in yourself and believing that you have the power to heal.
01:35:15.000I mean I don't know whether you're religious or not, but I mean you hear about the miracles of Christ and you hear the miracles of other prophets and so forth.
01:35:24.000I mean it's documented that a lot of these things happen.
01:35:28.000I don't buy into anything that's old when it comes to documentation of certain acts because it's so difficult to find out what the fuck actually happened.
01:35:38.000I find religious texts to be fascinating and enlightening in a lot of ways.
01:35:43.000I think you can learn a lot about what they learned about wisdom, what they learned about the correct path to living a happy, healthy life, but a lot of those principles, you know, the golden rules of I think?
01:36:37.000During the late 1800s, early 1900s, there was a movement in the United States and through Europe called the New Thought Where people begin to realize that thoughts are things.
01:36:58.000So you're basically attracting what you're putting out.
01:37:01.000I mean that's been long understood in physics.
01:37:04.000That's basically what Einstein was talking about.
01:37:09.000In what way was he talking about that?
01:37:10.000Well, for every action, there's a reaction.
01:37:13.000If you're putting out negative thinking, negative statements, you can only attract saying it's virtually impossible for any good to come from bad.
01:37:24.000Well, it's funny how that sounds so simplistic.
01:37:29.000But anybody who doubts that, run into people that go, oh, fucking nothing good ever happens to me.
01:37:34.000Those people, you're right, nothing good ever happens to you.
01:37:37.000You have this mindset, and then you run into people that say, hey, we're going to work through this, we're going to figure it out, and this is only going to make us better and stronger.
01:37:48.000And I don't know whether or not luck is involved.
01:37:51.000I don't know whether or not it's all just your attitude.
01:37:53.000But I do know that the people that have that great attitude, I feel better when I'm around them and it empowers me and I feel like it enables me to also spread that empowerment onto other folks.
01:38:17.000No fighter goes into a fight believing that he's going to lose the fight.
01:38:20.000If he does go in, he's pretty much going to get his ass kicked.
01:38:24.000That said, if you're some guy who's not very good but you've got this crazy belief in yourself and you fight John fucking Jones, you're still going to get your ass kicked.
01:39:01.000My belief system doesn't go past a certain point, but maybe that's my limiting factor.
01:39:07.000But I do know when it comes to the body, you have an amazing capacity for self-healing.
01:39:13.000And I've actually undergone it with my own body.
01:39:17.000Well, the people that really truly believe that we are, in some way or another, The vehicle of God, that's sort of what they point to, that we manifest our reality with our own mind and our own intent and with our own actions and our own thoughts,
01:39:36.000and that as we grow and as we evolve and as we get stronger and stronger with our consciousness and our ability to understand this, that we enact those powers more freely, more consciously, and that our intent truly does create the very universe around us.
01:39:52.000It sounds a little ridiculous, but then when you start and think how much of an effect human beings have on the environment, how much of an effect human beings have on Earth, and when you stop and think about all the bad things that go on on Earth, whether it's war or pollution, well, what is that?
01:40:08.000It's like there's this lack of attention and a lack of intent on the important aspects of harmonious relationships with your environment.
01:40:19.000Let's take just one small example of how my belief system works about this.
01:40:25.000There's this one thing called the accumulation mindset, I call it.
01:40:29.000I work online with people on fat loss programs.
01:40:35.000When you really look at their lifestyle, they're into this accumulation mode of just buying and amassing all this stuff.
01:40:41.000I've been in some people's homes where the shelves are just littered with stuff they never use or don't need.
01:41:35.000You know, and I don't know what it is, whether it's a distraction from their own mortality, whether it's just some sort of a weird...
01:41:42.000Hitch in the system of the way the mind interacts with the world, like it's just too much stress and too many variables, and they need something to sort of inject them out of that, so they focus entirely on an ice cream sundae.
01:41:55.000Knowing that they shouldn't even have it, go, fuck it, we're going to have it anyway.
01:41:59.000And so by doing that, you sort of block off all your awareness and just funnel that stuff down your fucking piehole until you're It's like an addiction to the pleasure senses of the body.
01:42:10.000You get that little drug-like response in the brain for a moment in time when you eat this kind of stuff.
01:42:16.000So you get that little chemical reward that the brain puts out for having this big thing of sugar or whatever.
01:43:51.000Now in this modern society with food so easily to get, I mean, our genetics actually work against us.
01:43:59.000That's probably why sex addiction exists as well, too.
01:44:03.000It was hard for human beings to breed and even harder for them to stay alive, so it was imperative that we breed as much as possible to spread the population as far as possible.
01:44:13.000And so that pleasure-reward system that's in place to make sure that you keep breeding A hiccup gets thrown into it when you inject it into modern society where you don't really have as many issues about breeding, but you still have this genetic impulse to constantly need to fuck and spread your seed.
01:48:02.000So I was terrified that I was going to run into me when I was 19 who was just a psycho that just trained constantly and lived at home and didn't have many bills and just every day I'd get up and run hills and stairs and just all I was thinking of was I got to do things that other people aren't doing because that way I'll win,
01:48:48.000I'll never forget watching this guy whip his leg up like more than a split and slam that heel down on my friend's face and he just crumpled.
01:48:59.000And I was like, that is just not something I ever want to happen to me.
01:49:03.000It's a pretty brutal way to make a living.
01:49:05.000And when you do it to somebody, it doesn't feel good.
01:49:06.000When you choke someone out in jiu-jitsu and they tap, it doesn't feel bad at all.
01:49:30.000The competition, the thrill, the energy, the excitement, all the charge, the adrenaline, without any of the bad karma feelings that you get from kicking somebody.
01:49:40.000There's something about that kind of competition where you have to put your humanity aside in order to compete in a mixed martial arts.
01:49:52.000That's why I tell people, Like, when people come to me for advice about fighting, while I'm thinking about fighting, well, stop right there.
01:49:58.000Because if you're just thinking about it, don't fucking do it.
01:50:24.000But unless that's your destiny, unless that is you, and I don't know what the fuck anybody, I don't know what makes someone want to be a folk singer.
01:52:17.000People use visualization whether they know it or not.
01:52:20.000Even if they're unconscious of it, they're still using it.
01:52:22.000Yeah, there's certain folks that just, they have super confidence and I only see myself winning.
01:52:26.000But there's other folks, like I know Frank Shamrock talked about that a lot, that he used to go through, he was a big proponent of visualization.
01:52:33.000And when he was in his prime, he would go through all these different scenarios and see himself winning.
01:52:38.000Go through all these different scenarios.
01:52:39.000A lot of people, you know, don't give Frank Shamrock enough credit.
01:52:42.000Like back in the day, Frank was the original Well-balanced mixed martial artists.
01:53:18.000He basically was repeatedly taken down by Tito Ortiz, used the guard as good as any jiu-jitsu guy I've ever seen, would get back to his feet.
01:53:28.000And he couldn't do anything with him because he used beautiful guard work.
01:53:32.000I was shocked at how good his jiu-jitsu was.
01:53:34.000Well, that was an important fight for MMA as well because that was an important fight where people understood the benefit and the need for cardio because Frank had tremendous cardio.
01:53:44.000Frank was also training with Maurice Smith who was a huge, huge cardio fiend.
01:54:33.000So three or four years into the UFC. No, it must have been after 96 because I was there for Tito's first fight, which was 97. I was there...
01:55:48.000And so he went to like a whole bunch of different people, put it together in a shoestring, and thus was born that first UFC. And he wanted to use it as a showcase to show the superiority of jiu-jitsu or basically what happens to you if you don't know how to fight on the ground.
01:56:03.000And then he picked the most unlikely guy because he could add Hickson, who was just a stud.
01:56:08.000But he was afraid that people said, well, that's Hickson.
01:57:56.000Yeah, there's no sitting on a stool, ice bag on the back of your neck, have a sip of water, somebody's picking your feet up, relaxing your legs, none of that.
01:58:03.000You know, you just got a fucking Mark Kerr on top of you, dropping elbows on your face.
01:58:07.000They had the hair pull and they had the punching to the testicles.
01:58:10.000I mean, it was, it really was, it really is amazing what Hoyce accomplished when you think about that.
01:58:17.000The guy fought three or four times in one night.
02:00:53.000But it's also, you've got to realize that one of the reasons why Matt Hughes was so good is that Matt Hughes had benefited from all the lessons that we had all learned from Hoist.
02:01:02.000From Hoist entering into UFC 1, UFC 2, and then, of course, Jeremy Horn, who was training all the time with Matt, who was a huge student of the game and one of the most technical guys.
02:01:11.000Like, Jeremy Horn is a perfect example because Jeremy is a really smart guy, no ego, who has a body that is just, there's nothing super powerful or unusually athletic, nothing extra long about him, just excellent technique and intelligence.
02:03:25.000So if you increase your ability to lift a really heavy weight one time, your endurance with a lighter weight is going to also improve.
02:03:34.000Let's say you managed to build from 80 pounds to 100 pounds in a bicep curl.
02:03:40.000And prior to that, you could take 50 pounds and maybe you could do 10. When you go from your 80 to your 100 pound curl, your ability to, if you went back to that same 50 pounds that you could do 10 with, you probably do about 13 or 14 reps now.
02:03:54.000So there's a fixed ratio between strength and muscular endurance.
02:05:28.000There's so many guys, though, that do.
02:05:30.000We used to see that in the UFC. These guys who are Mundial's champion, high-level gi guys, but they relied so much on spider guard, so much on grabbing the sleeves.
02:05:41.000Yeah, that fucking shit is gone when everybody's sweaty.
02:05:43.000When you've got a sweaty guy in his underwear on top of you dropping elbows on your face, and he happens to be a wrestler, so he knows how to grapple.
02:05:50.000And how to use his weight to keep you pinned down.
02:06:02.000Well, that's what Eddie Bravo always emphasized.
02:06:04.000That, like, so many of the techniques of jiu-jitsu that these people relied on and trained on a regular basis, they just weren't applicable.
02:06:13.000You know, it was like, do you see judo guys training Greco-Roman to get better at judo?
02:06:18.000Well, actually, the Yusushi Miyake, the three-time world Greco-Roman wrestling champion, his judo game and his Greco-Roman wrestling game were virtually identical.
02:08:24.000The majority of your time should be going into improving your skill set.
02:08:27.000That's the single most important thing.
02:08:30.000When it comes to endurance now, you know, we talk about cardio and gas, right?
02:08:34.000The absolute best way to get your cardio and gas at a high level is to wrestle or to do MMA. The problem is, a lot of these guys are so good, they have no one to push their gas.
02:08:46.000For example, I trained Shanji Ibero the year he won Abu Dhabi in Barcelona.
02:08:53.000And he took second in the open division.
02:08:55.000He hurt his shoulder in the finals, but he won his division.
02:08:59.000He was so good that there was no one in the room to push him, man.
02:10:06.000So a guy like Fedor, or Fyodor, however you want to say it, if you want to be correct, he, at his best, stopped all the strength and conditioning training.
02:10:16.000And all he would do is fight-specific training.
02:10:18.000Pretty much sports-specific training, which was always the Russian motto.
02:10:22.000I do believe that you do need to keep your absolute strength up.
02:10:25.000You do need to lift weights a couple times a week just to keep fairly heavy weight, low rep, but don't tax yourself.
02:11:20.000I found, too, that when you get injured and then come back, it's always horrifying.
02:11:26.000Like if I tore my knee meniscus, I had it scoped, and then I was out for a couple months, and then come back and you're just like, oh, death.
02:11:35.000You know, like a couple minutes in, you're just a dead man.
02:11:38.000And one of the ways that I mitigated that was kettlebell training.
02:11:42.000I mean, when you're hurt or you have injuries or you don't have people to push into the gym, there are ways that you can very closely simulate the energy systems that you would use in actual grappling.
02:11:51.000It's never as good as actual grappling or kickboxing or whatever.
02:11:55.000Because you're forced to react to the other person, which you're not when you're training.
02:11:59.000So even when you're pushing hard, you're still pushing hard at your pace.
02:12:03.000You're not reacting to someone else's pace and relaxing and breathing while you're reacting to someone else's pace.
02:13:47.000I only use barbells or, yeah, barbells.
02:13:50.000I only use it for bench press and I try not to do that too much.
02:13:54.000But I will if I don't have someone there with me to help me spot because it's hard to do individual kettlebells with bench press or for deadlifts.
02:14:02.000The bar is made for deadlifts and bench pressing.
02:14:28.000There's a lot of things that kettlebells usually don't simulate.
02:14:30.000There's no vertical pulling in kettlebell training.
02:14:35.000So ideally, you would do your general strength training, and then you get on the mat, and you get your conditioning need met in the mat and the ring.
02:14:43.000So you would say that if someone was like a high-level jiu-jitsu guy and you were looking to just maintain strength or get stronger, you almost wouldn't do conditioning with weights.
02:14:54.000You would almost do like heavy weights, low reps.
02:14:58.000Heavy strength work, low reps, heavy weights.
02:14:59.000So like you would take like maybe like two 70-pound kettlebells and do like alternate cleans, you know, do some reps with heavy stuff.
02:15:17.000And not worry so much about developing strength, endurance, or cardio with the weights.
02:15:24.000So you're just trying to get strong with the weights?
02:15:25.000Trying to get as strong as you can for your weight class.
02:15:28.000Now, if you need to hypertrophy, you need to change the reps a little bit.
02:15:31.000If you need to armor up, let's say I'm working a guy that might be playing NFL football and he needs to put on some muscle, it's going to be a slightly different protocol.
02:16:57.000For one thing, there's not one elite athlete anywhere in the world that actually uses CrossFit as the model.
02:17:03.000The second problem I have with CrossFit, Greg Glassman, the guy that invented it, it's no secret that he's very fat, an obese cripple basically, who doesn't even train.
02:17:15.000What kind of system is it when the inventor of the system is not a good example of what he's putting out there?
02:21:37.000Like, you would right away, your conditioning is so high, your VO2 max is so high, you just have to learn the techniques, and you'd be able to already just outwork people.
02:21:47.000But you know the shocking thing, though, is a lot of times work is very, very specific to the particular sport.
02:21:53.000You take, for example, well, I'll use Lance Armstrong.
02:21:56.000You know, the greatest endurance athlete, right, is what he was coined.
02:21:59.000I mean, let's take all the drug stuff out.
02:22:19.000You take an average swimmer, even a really high-level swimmer, he's going to be exhausted in minutes on the mat.
02:22:27.000But you take me and put me on a bike, I'm...
02:22:30.000I'm not going to have any endurance on a mountain bike or a road bike or whatever.
02:22:34.000You only develop endurance in a very specific way.
02:22:39.000So the CrossFit guys, believe me, they would have to pay their dues.
02:22:42.000It would take them a long time to adapt to jiu-jitsu or wrestling.
02:22:45.000Because I can remember being off the mat for a long period of time and doing all these heinous workouts with kettlebells and body weight and all this.
02:22:53.000Go on the mat and, oh my god, I would suck air so bad.
02:23:15.000There's no substitute for doing the actual activity.
02:23:19.000Especially if you're in there and you have to roll with some savage who's in the gym five days a week, training 90 minutes a day, doing yoga in the morning, just gearing up for jiu-jitsu.
02:23:30.000And part of the skill of jiu-jitsu, of course, is conserving your energy while you make the other guy put all his energy out.
02:23:37.000So you've got that factor going in there, too.
02:23:39.000I found myself shocked at how bad a shape I was in when I was in good jujitsu shape.
02:23:46.000And I started kickboxing again after a few years off.
02:23:51.000I mean, like, occasionally I'd go out to the garage and hit the bag a little bit, but, like, just abandoned it because I was really trying to get my black belt.
02:23:58.000And then I started kickboxing when I was in really good jujitsu shape.
02:24:02.000I could roll hard for a long period of time.
02:24:05.000And I'd fucking hit the pads for a minute and I'd be exhausted.
02:24:08.000It's amazing how sport-specific endurance can be.
02:24:21.000And the body is amazingly specific when it comes to that type of thing.
02:24:24.000This is something it took me a while to kind of figure out.
02:24:28.000So all this crazy, silly buggery of waving these battling ropes and so-called MMA circuits, you know, it's just, you know, MMA, you know, MMA, gay.
02:24:39.000But don't you think that that's important, though, to build a base?
02:24:42.000Like, that's one of the things that Diego Sanchez told me that he does when he trains.
02:24:45.000He said he would take, like, say if he had a fight coming up in, like, four months, and he would take the first six weeks...
02:24:52.000And just concentrate entirely on strength and conditioning.
02:24:55.000Just get himself very, very, very fit and strong.
02:25:00.000You know, having an aerobic base for anaerobic sports has, you know, been proven.
02:25:05.000Having that type of—I remember even in a wrestling season, you know, we would do some distance runs, you know, a couple miles, doing general strength training just to, you know, build our general strength up to a pretty high level.
02:25:19.000And then as the season progressed, we get more and more specific with our drills and our training and, you know, the shark bait drills.
02:25:26.000And have you ever played that drill in jiu-jitsu, first points?
02:25:36.000Man, I'm telling you, even a high-level blackbot is going to get taken down by a bluebot at some point or get scored on because he gets that tired.
02:25:42.000But, I mean, that's the type of strength endurance I'm talking about for grappling.
02:26:07.000Just like you found with the grappling, high-level grappling conditioning, you lost a lot of the endurance in the ring.
02:26:13.000Now imagine an MMA fighter that has to have high-level endurance on takedowns, high-level endurance in kicking and punching, high-level endurance of jiu-jitsu on the ground.
02:26:23.000He doesn't have time to be burning his body up with all this other nonsense.
02:26:28.000He's going to be absolutely, utterly overtrained in no time at all in burnout.
02:26:33.000And of course, a lot of these kids do get burnout.
02:26:36.000Overtraining is really pretty high in combat sports.
02:26:43.000Yeah, how do they figure out how they're overtrained?
02:26:58.000If you suspect you're overtrained, you might want to take a couple of days off and then start this process of seven days in a row, monitoring your pulse.
02:27:08.000On your iPhone, there's an app that you can actually hold your finger on the camera lens and do it.
02:27:26.000Because the Samsung Galaxy S5, the new Galaxy Samsung, one of the things I like about it that I was thinking about picking it up is it has a heart rate monitor built into the actual phone itself because they have some sort of fit app.
02:27:39.000It has something to do with the heat coming off your finger, is what I was told.
02:27:43.000Like each pulse, it's a little bit of heat.
02:29:10.000My normal resting heart rate is 59. Now, remember, the true resting pulse rate is when you first wake up in the morning before you even get out of bed.
02:30:57.000So there's a lot of folks out here that think, there's a lot of folks in MMA that think there's days when you're beat and exhausted and you've got to push through.
02:31:30.000So do something that doesn't push you.
02:31:31.000Yeah, let's say you're a competitive jiu-jitsu guy, so you practice your favorite sweep or your barren bolo or your turtle guard, whatever.
02:31:38.000You do that, and you don't do anything hard.
02:31:41.000Does your son Zach follow all your principles?
02:31:58.000And he's done really well for himself.
02:31:59.000He won brown belt worlds, and he's one of the few guys to actually beat Kron Gracie.
02:32:03.000He beat Kron in the Las Vegas Black Belt Challenge.
02:32:07.000No, look, I was very impressed with Zach.
02:32:09.000You know, I knew who he was because of you.
02:32:12.000You know, you told me about him, but then Eddie Bravo actually told me about him, and I said, did you know that that's Steve Maxwell's son?
02:33:24.000It's that rest phase in between the workouts where your body adapts and you become stronger.
02:33:30.000The more fit you become, the longer it takes to recover because you're able to push yourself harder and harder.
02:33:35.000A weak person that's not very fit, they can't push themselves hard enough to really...
02:33:39.000They actually could probably work out every day.
02:33:42.000But a really fit, strong guy like yourself, for example, you cannot drive yourself every day because each workout you're making such a demand on your body.
02:33:50.000One thing that you cannot control is your ability to recover.
02:34:48.000So, I mean, he caught him with a really slick arm bar.
02:34:51.000So this guy gotta be pretty doggone good, man.
02:34:53.000Jim Miller's a bad motherfucker, but he was talking about his weight drop and, you know, his weight cut that he's, you know, made a lot of errors over the years and that, you know, he's fucked it up, but, you know, it's a direct quote.
02:35:06.000He says, I'm positive I took years off my life cutting weight.
02:36:55.000You know, beat Matt Hughes, who was a monster, at 170. You know, B.J. Penn was the perfect example of a guy who just fought anybody at any weight.
02:37:11.000I mean, it's probably where he should have been his entire career if you compare the athletes of today and what they're doing.
02:37:15.000But even at 145, he just decided to alter his diet, really intensified his training, and now he got down to, like, he's walking around a little over 150 pounds.
02:37:25.000So he's not going to cut a lot of weight.
02:37:27.000You know, these guys that are cutting like 25, 30 pounds of weight, I've seen guys shuffle up to the scale.
02:39:25.000Even in those days, even in my college days back in the 70s, I was very strict about my diet.
02:39:30.000There's a lot of people that are trying to figure out the point of diminishing returns.
02:39:34.000Like, what is it when it comes to weight cutting?
02:39:36.000Because you'll see guys that rehydrate, and they are beasts, like Glace and Tebow.
02:39:41.000That guy cuts almost 30 fucking pounds.
02:39:43.000Well, one of the things I really liked about the Moon Giles and the Pan Ams, you weigh in at the edge of the mat, and then you go out and you fight right then and there.
02:41:00.000He sued everybody for saying that he was taking drugs, said everybody, you know, looked people in the eye and said, you know, I never doped, I never did anything.
02:41:28.000He said guys would get up, he was on the tour, and guys would get up and they were on a bus together.
02:41:34.000Guys would get up, they would be on so much EPO that they would have to take their bike out in the middle of the night and run because their blood would start getting thick.
02:42:00.000Why would you want to stress your body out the day before a fight?
02:42:03.000I mean, it's one thing to get a light workout in.
02:42:05.000Yeah, a little sweat, a little jumping rope, some stretching, a little yoga.
02:42:08.000There's guys who would work out hard the day before.
02:42:10.000And also, EPO wasn't even being tested in Nevada.
02:42:14.000I mean, I think they're testing for it now, but for the longest time, they weren't testing for EPO because they thought it was an endurance sport problem, like a thing like cycling and triathlons.
02:42:24.000And they didn't think that it applied to boxing, which I thought was like one of the best pieces of evidence.
02:42:29.000You got fucking morons who are dictating what gets tested and not tested.
02:42:33.000You want to talk just a complete ignorance of what is involved in the sport.
02:42:38.000Boxing is such an intensive endurance sport.
02:44:01.000The UFC does nine months for the first defense, you know, but they're really trying to crack down on it.
02:44:06.000And now, you know, we have this, the TRT issue, which I had Dr. Mark Gordon, who's an expert in traumatic brain injury, who was talking to me about the, you know, he's like, there's two reasons why someone needs testosterone.
02:44:38.000Because two of those things, a traumatic brain injury, for sure, and then the steroid taking, for sure.
02:44:42.000And then if you're old, you know, you're a guy who's in his 40s, and you want to keep competing, and the only way to do it is with testosterone...
02:44:50.000Boy, you probably shouldn't be fighting anymore.
02:45:19.000Have you studied at all any of these new gains that they're making in genetic engineering and what they're pushing for?
02:45:27.000Have you contemplated what the possibilities are for sports?
02:45:33.000Because it's one of the things that I'm more, I want to say concerned, but fascinated at the same time.
02:45:39.000You know, as a person who's standing outside of it, I mean, obviously I'm a commentator, but Science is so close to altering the very genetics of a human being.
02:45:50.000I mean, within our lifetime, 40, 50 years from now, max, you're going to see super athletes from the bottle, from a test tube, from a needle, from whatever it is.
02:47:00.000Marvin Hagler was going to fight Mustapha Hamshaw, and he was training for it on Cape Cod in the winter.
02:47:05.000And one of the reasons why he did that was because he would run the sand dunes, and just because he loved the fact that he was in the fucking brutal cold of Cape Cod running by the ocean.
02:47:15.000And I remember they had a thing on the news where they were hyping up the fight, and they were going through his training regime.
02:47:21.000And he was running up sand dunes screaming war.
02:47:38.000But, you know, instead, he's sitting there and they're pumping him full of EPO and they're monitoring his blood and, you know, giving him artificial this and genetic that and...
02:47:52.000In the Rocky IV, when you saw Stallone was fucking running with logs on his back through the snow, and they have Drago, they're spiking him with steroids.
02:48:01.000Yeah, lifting a cart full of rocks and all that.
02:51:07.000Well, you know, I'm a fifth-degree black belt now, and a lot of times I am a little bit younger than what I look, so kids don't see a 61-year-old dude.
02:58:58.000We'll be back tomorrow with Dave Attell on Thursday.
02:59:03.000We've got Greg Fitzsimmons, and then we're also doing the UFC, I want to say wrap-up analysis, post-fight, with Brendan Schaub and Brian Callen, the fighter and the kid.