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00:11:41.000It's really fun, and it's along the lines of Stand By Me or one of those classic old Stephen King books, like The Stand or Pet Sematary, where it's just twisted and dark,
00:11:59.000and there's psychological shit going on, and there's horrific things happening, there's monsters, and it's really fucking cool, man.
00:12:08.000And When he sent it to me, he told me that Nick Cutter wasn't your real name.
00:12:40.000So like Clyde Barker, obviously Stephen King, Peter Straub, Robert R. McCammon.
00:12:45.000I mean, the list goes on and on and on.
00:12:46.000That was sort of who I cut my teeth on.
00:12:48.000So really my agent said, listen, you've been writing these things under your own name and they're kind of...
00:12:54.000I wouldn't even classify them as literary, but maybe they would be a little more to that side rather than the horror genre.
00:13:01.000And he sort of felt like, listen, people aren't going to...
00:13:05.000People might be confused or people might, you know, let's have some separation basically.
00:13:10.000And the best way to do this separation is just to give you a new name, put this horror work, because when I sent him the troupe, I mean there's no way it's anything other than just like, I wanted to write like an 80s style.
00:13:22.000Hard fireball and sort of horror novel.
00:13:24.000Like not splitting any hairs, not trying to make it meta-ironic or anything, just trying to go straight ahead the horror that I grew up loving and try and sort of be an homage to those writers in that time.
00:13:36.000So there's no doubt it was going to come out as clearly a horror novel.
00:13:39.000So he said, let's just make up a pseudonym.
00:13:42.000And I wouldn't say I'm new to this, but...
00:14:01.000I think maybe looking back, you know, what we did is we settled on this pseudonym and then I quickly went away, you know, trying to erase any sort of sentiment that I was ashamed of it.
00:14:11.000I live in Toronto and I hang out with a lot of people in the horror genre, sort of genre writers, and their question was, like, are you ashamed?
00:14:19.000That would be the worst thing for me for people to think that, you know, because I'm as proud as what I've done as The Troop as any other writing I've ever done.
00:14:26.000So when you say literary, what are your other books?
00:14:29.000I'm not familiar with your other books.
00:14:39.000And then I wrote a book called The Fighter.
00:14:41.000Not the same Fighter, the Christian Bale movie.
00:14:44.000And I wrote a book just recently called Cataract City, which is...
00:14:47.000So it's sort of like, I don't know, I wouldn't say Chuck Palahniuk, he was an early influence, but sort of like macho, like fighting, boxing, dogfighting, repossession, you know, those were sort of the things, really sort of manly endeavors that I was concerned about and interested in with those books.
00:15:05.000But they certainly weren't literary like Alice Munro or something like that.
00:15:49.000Yeah, you think about, like, man, of all the stuff, could you imagine someone puts a fatwa on you for something that you say during a podcast?
00:17:23.000And so I think people in that realm feel like they, because they have the time to, like, invest in, like, really crunchy mind sort of melting, you know, fiction that really tests you.
00:17:33.000But, you know, and then they sort of look down on someone who just wants to read, like, for example, I didn't mention at all in my first, when I did my English degree, you won't talk about Stephen King.
00:19:00.000Maybe you can answer this a little bit in terms of, like, in comedy.
00:19:03.000Like, I read Stephen King when I was 12. And I just read him...
00:19:06.000First of all, he's the writer that got boys to read of our generation, you know?
00:19:11.000I mean, there's nothing else other than maybe Choose Your Own Adventure books that I was reading back then until I sort of graduated to Stephen King.
00:19:33.000And that's where you realize his genius because it's like...
00:19:37.000You know, I'm working on like a Model T Ford, and he's got like this, he's working on the DeLorean engine from Back to the Future.
00:19:44.000That's how much he's above, you know, a lot of us in terms of like, he works at a level, I think, of like Conjuring Fear that is so difficult to, first of all, see how it works, break it down, and then try and do it yourself.
00:19:58.000And so when you have people looking down on him for that, I just don't think they've really interacted with his work as closely as I have.
00:20:06.000Because first of all, if you're saying he sucks, I'm like, I can't even touch him in some ways.
00:20:18.000It puts you in this sort of elevated category of intellectual.
00:20:23.000I think that's horseshit because fiction, like when you start talking about monsters or vampires, you're automatically a fool or you're doing foolish work.
00:21:18.000And so, and what another thing Stephen King does really well is childhood.
00:21:23.000I don't think there's another writer, to my mind, really, who writes about childhood as well as Stephen King captures it in a book like It or the movie The Body that became Stand By Me.
00:21:34.000He captures that time in a boy's life especially.
00:21:40.000It's just remarkable, you know what I mean?
00:21:41.000And so I think now, too, I know Patton Oswalt did like, I think it was, I forget where he did it, but he did like a long article based on his admiration, really, for Stephen King.
00:21:50.000So I think now there's a renaissance, finally, Stephen King has got to be close to 70 now, where people are finally like, okay, this guy's pretty good.
00:21:58.000Well, again, it's just one of those things.
00:22:00.000People love calling someone out or they love shaming someone.
00:23:56.000His agent just said, listen, man, first of all, like, I don't get it, man.
00:23:59.000Because he's probably got, because he's still, to this day, he's still pumping out books at an enormous rate and big, like, slobber knocking books.
00:24:19.000But he must write like 5,000 words a day, consistently, and it's strong, strong stuff.
00:24:24.000So that was why Bachman came to be, because his agent was like, listen, we just can't be flooding the market with Stephen King.
00:24:31.000We gotta, let's separate you out, let's just put some of these stuff out under a different name, and then, you know, you still have your book out every year, which is still at an astronomical rate.
00:24:40.000So yeah, it was just, for him it was totally a sense of he just had too much to say.
00:25:03.000I'm not sure, but it was based on really, it was based, Richard Stark or George Stark was his pseudonym, and that's when his pseudonym started stalking him, right?
00:25:19.000But that was another example of his ability to sort of not just be so prolific, but also be prolific under some really established territory as far as his work.
00:25:40.000I think it's because the narrative is easier to write from that perspective, you know, even the voice that you find, I think, because it's like, oh, I'm a writer, this voice is...
00:25:48.000Because I was reading, rereading The Body lately, made into Stand By Me, and that's, again, that's a writer character who's writing that, and...
00:26:45.000The real problem with Maine is there's some areas where there's nothing.
00:26:49.000Like, there's an area between Portland, Maine, and Bangor, when you're driving up from Boston, where you go at least an hour without seeing anything, driving 70 miles an hour, and no radio.
00:29:42.000But I know the gym that he was working out of had, it was, I mean, it was, I've rarely been and felt that level of like, camaraderie, but also competition, sort of in such a tight, small area.
00:30:52.000It's great that you guys in the UFC come up, and I think for a while there, it was mostly you guys were down in Las Vegas and a few other places, but then you decided to come up to Canada, and it's been good for you guys, it's been great for us too.
00:31:04.000Well, Canada just has a love of all things manly.
00:31:12.000Whereas there's a lot of embarrassment in America about things manly.
00:31:17.000Or like a push it away or like, oh, that's a little too testosterone-y kind of a thing.
00:31:23.000Yeah, I have a friend who was talking about a sitcom that he was working on.
00:31:27.000And he was talking about, there's a woman that was one of the leads that was trying to introduce, she was also one of the writers, and she was trying to introduce these male characters that were like the type of guys that she likes.
00:32:36.000I think, I was thinking, too, about before coming here, like, you, your career has sort of had, I think you must have run up against that a lot.
00:32:44.000Because, like, I remember when Fear Factor came out, there was a sense, you know, there were these hyperbolic newspaper articles like, ah, society's collapsing, you know, it's Fear Factor, like, you know what I mean?
00:32:55.000People are doing things that, like, why are we getting people to eat bugs or stuff?
00:35:38.000You go to a doctor, the doctor's not going to look at a holistic approach to your life and say, Hey, you know, maybe you were raised by shitty human beings.
00:35:46.000Maybe you need counseling for a decade.
00:35:49.000We'll just put this beta blocker and all the bad thoughts will be walled off.
00:35:53.000Not only that, all your inhibitions are going to be lessened.
00:35:56.000Your ability to understand the consequences of your actions will be lessened.
00:36:00.000Your ability to be depressed and to feel terrible about bad actions has also been removed.
00:36:07.000There's a lot of things that happen when you put people on drugs that change your neurochemistry.
00:36:12.000Doesn't mean that those drugs are bad.
00:36:14.000I get these fucking tweets from these people that can't understand a complex argument or a nuanced conversation.
00:36:20.000I have friends personally that have benefited greatly from antidepressants.
00:36:26.000It's not that I deny them or don't support them.
00:36:29.000I think there's definitely a place for them.
00:36:30.000But I think when you look at all these people that have killed mass groups of people and you find this one common denominator over and over and over again, To ignore that but concentrate entirely on the tool itself is ridiculous.
00:36:44.000Most human beings are absolutely incapable of walking to a school and shooting a bunch of children.
00:37:06.000And I think that That sort of gets lumped in with this rejection of manliness, this support of anything that's anti-male, or this denial of these base male instincts that don't necessarily have to be harmful to other people,
00:37:28.000I mean, my career is, in a way, you know, again, my early stuff was all about men doing men things, which some of it is silly and self-harming, but also it's like something that I think built into our genome we need to express in a certain way,
00:38:54.000And most likely you have a bad relationship with your mother or your sisters or someone in your family who just did a terrible job of expressing to you the responsibility of being the physically stronger sex.
00:39:23.000I've never had any hate towards women, but I have friends that genuinely don't like women.
00:39:30.000And that came from their upbringing, either because their father, maybe they had a divorce or something, and the father was like, she's awful.
00:41:17.000The best you can do is hope that you don't, aren't in a situation or you're somehow away from the source of what your, you know, issue is basically.
00:41:28.000But I mean, if you're out in society, I mean, of course, you're going to be sort of up against it.
00:41:32.000I don't think you get cured from something like that.
00:41:34.000I mean, I don't, again, I don't know for sure, but I feel like, yeah.
00:41:37.000Yeah, well, I think there may be a time in the future where we can understand and get to the root of these behaviors and perhaps access whatever it is that's wrong in a person's mind that makes them either have a desire to victimize children or have the ability to victimize children and not feel remorse for it or be attracted to it.
00:41:58.000Do you, as a writer, do you, because as a comic, I watch a lot of things that I don't agree with.
00:42:08.000You mean other comedians doing things?
00:42:55.000But as a writer, do you like to study certain mindsets or certain people that are just completely alien to your way of thinking to try to...
00:43:31.000It's sometimes not even funny with a comedian, but it's really true and it's really honest and you're actually getting more of a social commentary at that point.
00:44:34.000But he's also the mayor of our city and he's a bit of a goof and he's a bit of a bully I find as well.
00:44:41.000But it's funny to listen to the conservative pundits because they've got to turn themselves into paroxysms and back twists to try and defend his behavior basically.
00:44:49.000And it gets more and more difficult to kind of defend the behavior of a man who keeps doing more and more...
00:45:57.000He's just an old doddering old man, which, yeah, true enough.
00:45:59.000I feel I heard some argument that he was actually asking her to tape him because he felt like his head was going to tapioca and he couldn't remember anything anymore.
00:46:06.000So he's like, please tape me so that I remember all the things that I say.
00:47:00.000I mean, I... These are one of, you know, you've heard this a lot of times, and of course you have to separate what he said and the reprehensible, clearly the long-standing, reprehensible nature of this man as he's, you know, sort of proven to be over like 20 years span.
00:47:14.000And then of course the question is, and it's been asked already, why?
00:47:16.000Why is he still in that position where everyone knows he was a racist dirtbag?
00:47:21.000But no one was doing anything about it.
00:47:24.000And I think at this point, the players basically pushed it.
00:47:26.000They said, listen, if you don't get rid of this guy, we will not come out and play anymore.
00:49:02.000And it's amazing how quick it blew up to me.
00:49:05.000Like, I just saw it on some website and I thought, well, there's just an old dumb white guy saying old dumb white guy things.
00:49:11.000But it was clearly much bigger than that.
00:49:13.000Well, if it was something else, like say if he was...
00:49:17.000Say if he was the president of a company, a big company, General Electric or something like that, and he had a little piece on the side, and he was like, hey, stop taking pictures with black eyes.
00:49:28.000It wouldn't get nearly the response as someone who has benefited tremendously from black athletes.
00:49:33.000The amount of money that that guy has made directly because of the work of black athletes.
00:49:39.000It's got that whole slave owner type quality to it.
00:49:44.000And there were rumors that back a couple years ago he'd gone into the dressing room and all the basketball players have been in various stages of undress and he's like, I like seeing all this black...
00:52:10.000They go around to work sites, you know, uh, like a catering truck.
00:52:14.000And so I followed him for like three or four days on that job.
00:52:16.000And, um, he actually said that he, he let people take things on credit, you know, and so people would build up like a hundred, couple hundred bucks before they paid it off finally.
00:53:16.000I feel the same way myself, you know what I mean?
00:53:18.000It's like I've always felt like the mountain goes up and up and up.
00:53:22.000You're going to hit your point on it at some point and you've got to be happy with that spot where you are on the mountain whenever you reach that spot.
00:53:29.000I think that's the biggest part in life really is just accepting your spot on the mountain wherever it happens to be.
00:53:45.000The idea that you're going to have some sort of a long and successful, fruitful career by throwing your bones at another person, trying to separate themselves from their consciousness, that's quite ridiculous.
00:53:59.000Because just the very act of doing it and preparing for that very act, the amount of damage that your body and your brain even endures is...
00:54:09.000But we have this idea in our heads that a guy has to be an undefeated champion.
00:54:14.000My son's going to be a champion someday.
00:54:16.000Man, if you're really lucky, your son won't be a champion.
00:54:20.000If you're really lucky, your son will learn the valuable lessons of martial arts as far as character development and as far as your ability to overcome what seem to be insurmountable obstacles.
00:55:08.000You're not going to know that wall until you run into it.
00:55:10.000And I feel like for some people, like I was talking to one guy, just a guy at the gym, and he said something more or less like the best that he ever felt in a fight was when he was up against someone he knew was better than him.
00:55:46.000But I made that guy discover something about himself that he hadn't discovered up until that point because he'd never been tested to the point that I was able to test him.
00:55:55.000And I thought, that's another part about just recognizing what you're able to do.
00:56:01.000And it may not be beating him, but you find some other measure of success.
00:56:05.000That's fascinating because to me, if you say that someone can get so close they could test someone, that means that they could beat them.
00:56:12.000They just have to figure out what it is they did wrong and work harder.
00:56:24.000What separates a champion from someone who is just very good?
00:56:29.000From my personal experience involved in martial arts competition, there's a level that some people are just not willing to push themselves.
00:56:38.000And then outside of that, the other variables are genetics.
00:56:42.000Some people have a different psychology.
00:56:46.000What's really interesting is people that have been bullied, and especially people that have larger brothers that bullied them in the house their whole life, those are the scariest fuckers on the planet.
00:57:37.000And it's usually, for whatever reason, the younger brother that's the real beast.
00:57:40.000Because the younger brother endures the beatings that the older brother gives him, and because of that he develops this sort of steely determination that's quite frightening.
00:57:50.000That totally makes sense, both on a physical level, but on an emotional kind of...
00:57:54.000You know, you're getting that adamantium kind of mindset about things and just got to keep prevailing.
00:58:00.000I've always thought too, like, because I do watch a lot of MMA and I love it both as a sport and boxing as well, but also like the psychological aspect of it really fascinates me and I've always felt like how...
00:58:14.000I always think about like Michael Jordan and who were, you know, we would think differently of Dominique Wilkins if Michael Jordan ever existed.
00:58:21.000And I think we'd think differently of so many fighters if GSP hadn't existed or Silva or, you know, John Jones, these sort of long reigning sort of champions.
00:58:33.000And you would know better having been through it, but there's, you know what I mean?
00:58:37.000There's that next level who can't quite, you know, they have their one shot, they can't quite clear it.
00:58:42.000And some are lucky to have another opportunity to sort of go back at it and can still make a good career for themselves.
00:58:49.000I find that MMA, especially in the UFC right now, is there's some long-reigning champions, and that's what people love.
00:58:56.000You know, they sort of love, but all the focus is on them, and then these people, the guys underneath who could be awesome were it not for a GSP. But that's the whole purpose of being a champion.
00:59:48.000Years off of his life with those beatings.
00:59:50.000I had friends who were martial artists and fighters and either former pro fighters or guys who had been involved in fighting their whole life who universally texted me and emailed me and said, dude, that fight took years off that guy's life.
01:00:33.000Like, I talked to Bob Cook, who's his trainer.
01:00:35.000He said, that guy could go a couple of months outside of training, like, get injured, be out for a couple months, then come back in and outwork everybody.
01:01:12.000He would just ding, the bell would ring, and he'd just start moving forward, throwing a barrage of punches that will never end until you drop.
01:02:23.000Oh, he didn't because I was almost going to mention Chuck Liddell because he did get rocked his last couple fights and that it's made some...
01:02:35.000Yeah, Dana's very close with him and said, I see what's going on here and maybe you don't because you're the fighter and you've got to stop.
01:02:43.000The thing about fighters is they have this belief in themselves.
01:03:16.000And I think it's also too, they're young, right?
01:03:20.000I mean, comparatively, I know when my dad retired, it was like a trap door opened under his life in a way because he was like used to having this routine to his life and you look forward to it.
01:03:29.000But I think, you know, the first week you're like, oh, this is great.
01:04:04.000Are they good at describing what that feeling is like?
01:04:08.000Well, I think the only person that's ever going to truly understand what it's like to say, like, beat Jon Jones and enter into a world championship fight with the whole world watching, the cage door shuts and the Bruce buffer, it's time!
01:04:22.000They're the only ones that'll ever understand that.
01:05:03.000Yeah, I assume it is, certainly in terms of, but I mean, I felt like I was amped up to the point where every one of my synapses was screaming.
01:05:10.000I'm just not built to do that, you know?
01:05:13.000Maybe they have, maybe there's a calmness.
01:05:15.000I feel like sometimes you look and the top fighters are able to kind of establish a certain calmness that I've never really found in those situations in my life, whether it's a playground scuffle or, you know, an amateur boxing match.
01:05:28.000Well, the calmness, a lot of it comes with the experience itself being something that you recognize and you've been there before and you know how to deal with it.
01:05:52.000But if you take a guy like a Jon Jones, because we keep talking about him...
01:05:57.000He trains his whole life in wrestling, so he's wrestled for many, many years, competed at a very high level in wrestling, then started competing in MMA, trains every day, constantly in the gym, constantly working out with these really high-level guys.
01:06:14.000You have a comfort level with just the recognition of what this is.
01:06:18.000You understand it, you get in there, you know what you can do, you're very aware of what you're capable of because you have literally pushed yourself to your limits in training.
01:06:27.000And you get in there and you're much calmer than a person who's completely alien to the experience.
01:06:33.000So I think for you, like, doing it a couple of times, like, you didn't have a chance to get used to it.
01:07:42.000That seems to be where it's most obvious to notice it, but there's lots of athletes that I like, and usually it's because they have some quality of heart that distinguishes them in my eyes, and they're not the best.
01:07:54.000But they've taken their skills as far as they can go.
01:07:58.000Well, that's why everybody loved Arturo Gotti and Mickey Ward.
01:09:29.000Yeah, and also even mid-fight, you know, because Gaddy was someone who used to get himself drawn into firefights when he didn't need to, you know, and whether he's really listening to his trainer at that point or not, I don't know.
01:09:40.000But I know for me, too, even the amateur things that I did, what I really took away from it and what I really enjoyed was the training part of it.
01:09:49.000I was living in Iowa at the time, and...
01:09:52.000There was a boxing club at the bottom of, like a really sort of, it was at the bottom of a Gold's Gym in Coralville, which is sort of like just outside of Iowa City.
01:10:01.000And it was run by a coach and two girls, two female fighters, the Kleinfelter sisters.
01:10:09.000And they were like 130, one of them was maybe 130, one of them was like 115. Tough as nails, fast, and you'd spar.
01:10:18.000I knew I was going to have to get in this amateur boxing match.
01:10:21.000And so I was like, well, you better not be easy on me, and I'm not going to be able to really punch a girl, I didn't think.
01:10:31.000But even if I wanted to punch them, I don't think I would have really been able to lay leather on them because they were fast and they were mean.
01:10:38.000And even if I did touch them, they'd be like, you know, you punch like a softie.
01:11:15.000And the one thing that I noticed, and I've said it before, is like...
01:11:18.000And I feel like other people have noticed this because I've gotten a lot of fights when I was young, but I don't think I ever won one.
01:11:24.000And I feel like I must exude this kind of waft of something that like, I just am not a fighter.
01:11:30.000But every time I've gotten in a fight, it's been more that someone is, I feel like is taking, trying to take advantage of me or has been picking on me for a long period of time.
01:11:38.000And it's the only way that this is going to stop or been, or been picking on someone that I cared about.
01:11:44.000And I always got the sense afterwards that the person who beat me up, basically, knew that.
01:11:51.000They're like, I can draw Davidson into a fight, and he'll willingly go in.
01:11:57.000He'll go into the bear trap, and then I'll just be able to beat him up.
01:12:01.000And the only good thing about it, ultimately, is that the picking on stuff stopped.
01:14:23.000And okay, it's in the Y. So I'm like, okay, well, we're not going to have a fight right in the middle of the Y. I think I'm going to be okay.
01:14:30.000I mean, I didn't really want to get into a fight.
01:14:31.000But again, this guy's throwing a basketball at me.
01:15:58.000And then, you know, there was a bike rack and I remember he like rang my head off of it and I'd get him in a, you know, sort of a headlock and...
01:16:07.000And I remember being like face down and there's like ice melt on the street, you know, those blue crystals they put down, you know, and my face is pressed into it.
01:16:15.000And thankfully, it goes on for a while.
01:17:24.000Killed him in the woods and they caught him just walking down the street with the knife in his hand.
01:17:30.000And, uh, and, you know, later on they interview his mom and his mom was like, yeah, he was, uh, you know, he basically would sit out on the porch saying that he, George Bush was going to come in Air Force One anytime, pick him up for some top secret mission.
01:17:42.000So he clearly had some, some mental instabilities that didn't present themselves at the age at which at least they were maybe emerging, but I thought later...
01:18:50.000Yeah, you fucking people, especially in this day and age...
01:18:53.000When you're dealing with cities and traffic and the unnatural stress of slamming 200 fucking million people together like this, they've done these studies on population density just with rats, and they've shown how bizarre rat behavior gets when you get too many rats in a contained environment,
01:19:12.000and it mirrors human beings' behavior.
01:19:15.000As far as human beings, when you have a small amount of them, everybody seems to get along fine.
01:19:22.000But when you jam them together, you start getting all these mental illnesses.
01:19:27.000If you have a certain amount of rats and you jam them into a box, A certain amount of them will just sit in a corner and start nodding their heads up and down and back and forth, and it gets really weird.
01:20:10.000He was also explaining to us how intelligent these dolphins are, and the dolphins go on hunger strikes, they have to force feed them, and they take them away from their mothers, and they buy them from Russians.
01:22:12.000But you do it with the understanding that no matter how nice the bear pen is or the gorilla enclosure, it can't do all the things that that gorilla...
01:22:21.000You just have to hope that they have a mind that is a bit more...
01:23:11.000Well, even getting them to learn to do that.
01:23:13.000Like, I think a lot of animals just end up starving because they just won't learn to eat an animal that's not, you know, that they're normally used to catching in some way.
01:24:44.000I mean, you do all sorts of weird things for your kids.
01:24:47.000I think sometimes zoos exist but for the benevolence of kids or the needs of kids so that parents feel like, well, shit, you're not going to see this any other way.
01:28:55.000I mean, I guess if you were into adopting it, the one part of that story, like you understand, like you have kids, you know, I have kids.
01:29:02.000I think if you don't have kids and you've tried to have kids, I think people might feel that there's a loss in their life and something that needs to be filled, you know, and often you fill it with an animal of, you get really into dog breeding or you have 17 cats or something like that.
01:29:15.000These guys decided a chimp was the way to go.
01:29:17.000I guess I would have thought totally innocently that, yeah, okay, a chimp, whatever, you dress it up in a tuxedo and do whatever.
01:29:25.000It's a little weird, but I get why you're doing it.
01:29:28.000I know it's a replacement for the fact that you can't have kids, but then when this kid goes feral on you, basically, and attacks you in a way that...
01:29:37.000There's a documentary about people that keep scary animals.
01:29:41.000It's called The Elephant in the Living Room.
01:30:09.000I didn't pay attention long enough, but he's got this cat, he's had it since it was a baby, and now it's a full grown 200 pound female cat.
01:31:43.000It's fucking weird, because they're looking at you like they're purring and everything, rubbing up against you like they're so sweet.
01:31:49.000But you think, man, if I was an inch tall, you would make sport out of me, you would make mincemeat out of me, and you would have not a goddamn care in the world about that.
01:33:06.000On pit bulls, which I thought would have been really interesting, because one thing I noticed in research was, like, people in different parts of this country breed pit bulls differently based on where they are from.
01:33:17.000Like, Kentucky, Arkansas, they breed, like, a really lean...
01:33:20.000It's almost like fighters, like a really lean, fast version of a dog, whereas in California...
01:33:26.000Or, sorry, Florida and Miami area, they breed, like, really big...
01:34:01.000And, you know, you go onto these Pitbull forums and you experience, in the same way with V, like a very strong emotional kind of like, you don't understand, you don't get it.
01:34:09.000And I wasn't even coming from a perspective of like intolerance or hatred.
01:34:13.000I was just coming from a perspective of I just would like to talk about it.
01:34:16.000Where do you go to a Pitbull fighting forum?
01:34:42.000You're sort of doing this because these dogs have these instincts and it's better to have them pulling a sledge than fighting one another or fighting other dogs.
01:34:51.000And you're just sort of assaulted by these people who are like, you don't get it at all.
01:34:57.000And I wasn't even coming from saying they're not nice.
01:34:59.000You know, I, I, again, I feel like a lot of it with animal ownership is the owner.
01:35:04.000It's really not the dog always, you know, a dog when it's born can go any number of different ways.
01:35:09.000But when you see a pit bull owned by a guy who's driving around like a jacked up pickup truck and his dog's got like a spiked collar on and he's carrying around by a length of, you know, chain, you're like, that dog might potentially have been raised with a certain higher, you You know, the aggression might have been brought out of them more than this dog that had grown up with a family with three kids in it,
01:38:21.000There's just something clock working around in their eyes.
01:38:23.000Like, and you're just like, oh no, no, no, I'm not, I'm not built to this standard.
01:38:27.000This is not going to work out too well for me.
01:38:29.000Yeah, there's guys that enjoy beating the fuck out of people.
01:38:31.000Like I said, a lot of them have had the fuck beaten out of them and it becomes...
01:38:35.000And that's one of the things that they say that's the most horrific thing about sexual abuse is that a lot of the abused become abusers when they get older.
01:40:02.000I know people that have adopted abused kids, and they've had the kids since the kid was three, and the kid's now in kindergarten, and fucked.
01:40:56.000And the one thing that my wife noticed was that the wallpaper, I don't know who wallpaper is inside of the closet, but whatever, it was ripped in rags.
01:41:04.000And the kids had been eating it because they had been in there for so long that, uh, I think?
01:41:51.000You know, you read about shit like that, and this guy goes on this horrific cycle of childhood abuse and becomes this criminal, and he winds up meeting this woman and falling in love and actually having a family, but still keeps fucking up and can't figure out a way to stop.
01:42:09.000And you hear it from the woman, like the woman who married him, her point of view of, like, what could he do?
01:42:15.000The guy grew up, like, in this horrific state, and he's broken.
01:42:33.000As a writer, what I was going to ask earlier about watching things that you, you know, watching humans that you don't agree with or watching things...
01:43:20.000But even in the troupe, there's a character, Shelley, who is...
01:43:24.000You know, has some very serious things wrong with him.
01:43:28.000And so, yeah, I think part of it is trying to put yourself as closely into that mindset as you can while recognizing that you can never quite bridge that gap.
01:43:43.000I mean, that's just a leap that I can't quite make, you know?
01:43:45.000So you just have to hope that you're getting close enough that the reader is...
01:43:50.000I've always said as a writer, you just need to be one step ahead of your reader.
01:43:54.000It means you have to have done that little bit more research or just spent more time thinking about these things that a reader hopefully is going to read really quickly and it's going to be like, okay, okay.
01:44:19.000I was having dinner yesterday at the hotel bar and I ended up next to this guy talking to him and he was like a big Tom Clancy reader.
01:44:29.000And I said, oh, I've had people, like, I had a guy get in touch with me once, because I wrote some sort of book that had some military stuff in it, and he sort of said, well, you know, not to be a nitpick or anything, but the clip capacity of an M16 is actually 16 rounds and not 17,
01:45:05.000If you don't get the facts right, if you're doing something about medical stuff and you haven't been scrupulous about it, then yeah, then you're going to get...
01:45:15.000But I mean, the guy mentioned, he's like, that's why I can't read Stephen King, because he gets apparently too many things wrong.
01:45:54.000And he's like, well, I've done research and there's absolutely not a damn thing wrong with fracking and it's a myth, just like global warming is a myth.
01:46:02.000And I was like, okay, I think we're probably on different sides of this and I'm not going to get into an argument with you about it, but...
01:46:08.000That's where you just tune out of a conversation.
01:46:10.000You're just like, okay, I'm out of this right now.
01:46:12.000The dangers of fracking are not a myth.
01:48:24.000Yeah, you can't fight every battle, but there's a sense of like, because that's the conservative thing, is like to come right at you, and I feel like, well, fuck, if I don't come back and say something, I've sort of just like let him believe that his point is valid from my perspective.
01:48:36.000You're a Canadian, you're a liberal, you wear glasses.
01:50:07.000I don't know how to describe it right, but I've seen you do it, and it's a skill, obviously, yeah.
01:50:12.000Well, I like to talk to people that have strong beliefs in systems, in things rather, to find out how their belief systems are formed.
01:50:22.000I want to know, is there a logical, rational sort of basis to their belief systems, or is it just that they've sort of adopted this predetermined pattern, which is very common.
01:51:12.000What's really fascinating about it is that they're always supporting big business, but yet no one gets fucked over more than blue-collar folks when it comes to big business.
01:51:23.000It's like sometimes this outlook is actually the one that's most injurious to you in a way of your own life and your own, you know, sort of happiness in a way.
01:52:16.000Are more likely to support public assistance or more likely to be against some of the environmentally destroying policies of big businesses.
01:52:27.000It's real weird how people just sort of form these patterns that they lock into.
01:52:32.000And that, as you said, can be really against their own self-interest and self-benefit going forward.
01:52:38.000But I don't know about you, but I found like as I've gotten older, like when I was in school, I was a total like lib, like almost as left as you could go, as piecey as you could go.
01:52:47.000And as I get older, I feel like I come to some sort of, not the center, I'll always be to the left.
01:54:29.000So the pull yourself by your bootstraps, in a lot of ways, that's good advice.
01:54:34.000Unfortunately, it gets conglomerated and attached to...
01:54:39.000This hatred towards homosexuals, this weird fucking pro-war stance.
01:54:46.000A strong religion, religious kind of context and flavor to things as well, which kind of has a...
01:54:54.000You talk about things happening when you're a kid.
01:54:56.000I've always felt that that's one of the things...
01:54:59.000That really influences your thinking and the way that you have an outlook on the world.
01:55:04.000And I think that's a part of what religion does, is they want to get you young and they want to get you indoctrinated and they want to sort of have a good soldier for the battle going forward kind of a thing.
01:55:17.000I don't know about you, but I... We're not a very religious household, but I've certainly come across a lot of religious...
01:55:23.000And some of whom are totally awesome and really nice and really...
01:55:27.000My wife actually came up really Baptist.
01:55:30.000And there was some point around when she was 18 or 19, I was just like, I can't do this anymore.
01:55:35.000I'm tired of feeling bad about myself for X, Y, Z. And so she sort of left the fold.
01:55:42.000But she said that was one of the most difficult things she ever did, peeling away from really all of her friends, all of...
01:55:48.000All of that, you know, because of the entire, it was a nice little safe bubble that she was in.
01:55:52.000And she still likes a lot of those people to this day.
01:55:56.000But overall, it was something she felt she had to do in order to sort of grow, I guess, or make some sort of separation from that time in her life.
01:56:18.000You're believing in Adam and Eve and resurrections and miracles and no evidence whatsoever to support any of these things that are completely contrary to anything that you've ever experienced and then all the evidence that you see of science.
01:56:31.000Oh, Earth is only 6,000 years old according to this book.
01:57:35.000And one of the funniest things is, you know, really hardcore Christians will make fun of, you know, Scientology, which, fair enough, go ahead, I'm perfectly fine if you want to make fun of Scientology, but to obligate their own kind of weird stories that their book presents as well,
01:57:51.000it's like, Yeah, it's, there's a certain, are you not spotting the irony here that there's a certain similarity between their weird Thetan-run sort of stories and your weird, you know, died and reborn after three days, kind of, and all the sort of, you know,
01:58:06.000stories that we sort of beggar reality as well.
01:58:10.000Well, I think compartmentalized thinking is very dangerous.
01:58:13.000And I think once you just sort of make your mind up that your way is the only way, and you stop being objective, and you cease all introspective thought, you get sort of locked into this mindset, and you put these blinders on.
01:59:05.000There was that other one recently where that KKK guy shot like, and then they find out he'd had sex with a black male prostitute dressed as a woman or something like that.
02:01:57.000Like, for you, you know, I talked about earlier about, like, when I read Stephen King the second time as an adult, as a writer myself and trying to break it apart.
02:02:52.000I think something like horror or something like The Hustler, like The Thing is as good now, the Kirk Russell one, as it was when it was made.
02:03:01.000But comedy, there's a certain shelf life.
02:03:05.000And something that was really edgy at one point becomes stale dated, I think, at some point.
02:03:10.000That's sort of my feeling about guys like Lenny Bruce, who, in my opinion, is probably the most important comedian ever.
02:03:19.000And he was the guy who got arrested the most, and he was the guy who pushed the boundaries of understanding language and content, and what's the intent of what you're trying to say, and what are we doing when we're suppressing this intent?
02:03:31.000And he was a brilliant, brilliant guy, who ultimately went mad.
02:04:21.000But I will listen to his comedy and try to put myself into this sort of...
02:04:27.000Almost innocent mindset of the people that were living in the 1960s listening to this kind of comedy, trying to wrap my head around what kind of an impact this guy would have had.
02:04:39.000I don't necessarily try to deconstruct their comedy.
02:04:43.000Comedy is different in a lot of ways than fiction.
02:04:47.000And I think in fiction, when you're reading a great novel, like you're reading Moby Dick or something like that, it still holds true.
02:04:55.000When you read that, you can kind of get a feeling for the way the narrative is driven and the way the use of words shapes the environment that you're imagining and Comedy is very different in that.
02:05:10.000It's just, I guess I certainly did when I was first starting out, but I don't really do that anymore.
02:05:17.000If I watch comedy now, I watch it just to enjoy it.
02:05:26.000And there's some stuff that you realize, this is awesome, this is outside of what I could possibly do anyways.
02:05:32.000I imagine you listen to some comedians and it's the same.
02:05:35.000It's like, what they're doing is fabulous, but it's so far afield from the stuff.
02:05:39.000It allows you actually just to enjoy it totally as a fan, because there's no worry about, well, this is going to influence me in some way that would be problematical.
02:06:31.000Not the kind of person I want to grow to be.
02:06:33.000You know, if you take a fucking pineapple tree and you grow it in the same place where you grow grapes, it's not the same environment, you fuckhead.
02:06:45.000I don't know if that's a good analogy.
02:06:47.000You know, I worry about that too because I am a little bit of a chameleon.
02:06:51.000So if I start reading too many, say like noir books, suddenly that becomes, or westerns, you know, I think I want my next book wants to be sort of like a horror western sort of a thing.
02:07:01.000So first of all, I need to read a lot of those things just to situate myself, I think, in that time and sort of get the feel for it.
02:07:08.000But you do worry that you're going to be like...
02:07:11.000You know, you don't want to be derivative.
02:07:20.000And there's some writers who probably get too close to their source material, and then they find out later that, like, this is so close that it's almost copying what this other person is, who I really admire.
02:07:32.000I see why I did it, but fuck, I'm not my own self here.
02:09:51.000Any description that you have of any of these various aspects is going to resonate with people because they directly have either literary experience in it, some film experience in it, an actual real life experience.
02:10:05.000So there is no real truly original thought anymore.
02:10:09.000No, but I found, I don't know about you with comedy or with some of the other things you've done, but one of the biggest leaps I made is recognizing that my own life has value.
02:10:19.000There are interesting moments in my life, interesting scenes, things that I've experienced, and you bring them in in the service of a character.
02:10:28.000It's transported and you're telling it through a character's eyes.
02:10:31.000And I've always felt like there you don't have to make anything up.
02:10:34.000You're just going back and remembering as deeply as possible.
02:10:37.000And those things are original, even if it's within a story that itself might have been told a thousand times.
02:10:43.000The one thing that you can go back and you can stake a claim on is like, this comes from some element of my own life and I know it has to be original.
02:10:49.000I mean, even that's not original because other human beings have experienced it and that's your hope is that you're actually going to be able to reach into their I think the word isn't original.
02:11:09.000And the real problem that people have is when they're intentionally derivative.
02:11:14.000And what that does is it stifles creativity.
02:11:18.000Because someone, like, say if someone...
02:11:22.000I don't want to give away the story of your book, The Troop...
02:11:25.000But if someone read your book and decided, you know what, I'm going to make my own story about this exact scenario, and then they kept going back to your book, and they started adding elements to it with different dialogue, but the same elements,
02:11:48.000When we find out that your originality, what we conceive to be, or perceive to be originality, is really just you copying and twisting around the original work of someone else.
02:13:03.000People who are that original, it's not an easy road to hoe.
02:13:07.000Whereas if you do sort of do maybe a rip-off of a Dane Cook act, I think you might initially get a better pop than you would if you're really charting sort of really original territory.
02:13:19.000If you're an idiot and you're ripping off someone, yeah, you might get a little reaction.
02:13:24.000There's a few of those guys out there right now.
02:13:25.000But I think that what we appreciate in someone is we appreciate artistic expression, meaning that We're all influenced by music and movies and literature and things that we've experienced in life.
02:13:38.000There's influences that are just undeniable.
02:13:40.000But what is your intent when you sit down to create something?
02:13:43.000Is your intent to express yourself in your own unique language, your own unique experiences, in your own creativity?
02:15:00.000You're not really as original as you think you are, but you've convinced other people that you're really original, and that's a double delusion, whereas Nickelback is what they are.
02:15:07.000Well, when someone's affected, what I get about Mumford and Son is I like a lot of their songs.
02:15:12.000I think some of their songs are very good, especially their early songs.
02:15:14.000But now I feel like they're in this groove of doing that certain kind of music, and so they dress a certain kind of way, and I'm like, you're wearing a costume.
02:15:23.000You might as well be dressed up as a fucking clown, okay?
02:16:49.000And that does seem to be like, I'm sure you've talked about it before, but it's not as funny.
02:16:54.000Like Joe Piscopo, even getting ripped, you know what I mean?
02:16:57.000You managed to do it, but Joe Piscopo couldn't go from the sort of weedy guy to the big, bulky guy of dead heat and maintain being as funny as he was.
02:19:25.000Once you get a certain amount of proficiency and confidence and a certain amount of stage time, then you start doing things that you think are funny.
02:20:56.000You're almost emulating the people that you love.
02:20:59.000And the second stage is you want to do something on your own.
02:21:02.000And that second stage, I think, with you is dealing with The idea that you're confident enough that this joke means a lot to me, whether it's going to go over, I can actually deal with that.
02:21:11.000Whereas in the first stage, you couldn't possibly deal with a reaction that didn't feed some sort of sense of accomplishment or get them to laugh or that.
02:21:18.000I think sometimes with comedians that I've watched, obviously, I rarely watch them through the early stages of their career.
02:21:24.000But the comfortability there, and it's the same with writers, they're like...
02:21:30.000I want to fail doing something really interesting, really original to me, and that really is an expression of what the hell I got into this in the first place for.
02:21:38.000You know, a good example of that is Hunter Thompson in the early days used to take F. Scott Fitzgerald and just retype it.
02:22:09.000And in a way, that's how I got into comedy because I would see an HBO special and then I would tell my friends, holy shit, did you see Sam Kinison last night?
02:22:18.000He had this joke and then I would tell them the joke and they would laugh at me telling them the joke and I would sort of realize through the rhythm of doing Sam's material in his voice.
02:23:03.000Well, Ray Carver, the short story writer, the American short story writer, would be an example of a style that you look at and you're like, I could do this.
02:23:11.000Once you really set your mind to like, I'll try and write a Carver type story...
02:23:15.000That's what makes the genius there, I think, is that it seems easy, it seems that something you can do, but the genius is not only in the genius of him, but in the genius of his deceptively simple style.
02:23:26.000So I tried to write, say, a Carver story, and it was a total nightmare and a failure.
02:23:31.000You know, we have things in the writing.
02:23:33.000We call them trunk stories, basically stories that you write.
02:24:46.000How many times do you tell a joke that you really feel strong about or work on a piece of material before you have to say, this isn't meeting my expectation of what I thought?
02:24:56.000Or do you just keep telling it anyway and just say, fuck it.
02:26:05.000And sometimes those bits will last for years, and I'll throw them in like every third or fourth set when I'm killing in the middle.
02:26:12.000I'll throw it in there, and then the audience will be like, what the fuck is that?
02:26:15.000And I'm like, all right, this has got to die.
02:26:18.000Yeah, sometimes it's like you feel the energy of the room and maybe I can slip this in.
02:26:23.000With me too, I think it's a matter of I've had some stories that constantly got rejected and then I think you get a bit of a name for yourself and then those will find acceptance because they're like, okay, well he's done this and this and this.
02:26:34.000But I find to me like speed is something.
02:26:36.000I wrote The Troop probably in about six weeks, which is the fastest I've ever written anything.
02:26:41.000I'd come out of wherever the room where I write and my wife would be like, you look...
02:26:46.000You don't look like all bedraggard and haggard like you do when you stumble out after working on your other books like a vampire's been sucking your blood out for eight hours.
02:26:54.000And I'm like, that's sort of what has told me that I hope I'm able to write a lot more books in the horror genre because I just enjoy the writing of it.
02:27:05.000The reason I think that came to you so fast, first of all, because you're passionate about it, but second of all, because you've been working at it a long time, and when those things come, you know how to deal with them.
02:27:13.000And I think now I know better, okay, if the idea comes to me, I'm ready to make hay with it.
02:27:19.000Well, I think you should really write a lot more horror, man.
02:27:21.000But just because of what you said and because of the book being really fun.
02:27:25.000I love that genre and I love when a book like that comes out.
02:27:30.000And so you saying that this is something that thrilled you and energized you as you write, I really hope you keep doing that, man.
02:28:00.000Anyways, we're sort of in that weird space where I don't really know what's going to happen exactly, so hopefully I'll have good news soon.
02:28:23.000And there are gaps in publishers who you wonder, like, I read this book, Wool, by a writer called Hugh Howey, and it's sort of sci-fi, really, really damn good, and you find out his history as he's been rejected by X number of publishers, and you're like...
02:31:57.000They've set up a research station down there, and it's another crew going down to figure out what the hell happened to the crew beforehand.
02:33:47.000And then sort of the audience reaction and gauge how it's worked.
02:33:50.000So that's, yeah, that's a similar idea to an editor.
02:33:52.000I mean, an editor relationship with a writer is pretty important, obviously, because the one thing is you can't go snatch your book off the shelves once it's there.
02:35:00.000Thursday, and I'll break out the notebook, and I'll listen to it with the headphones on, and then my next set, I'll add the notes, and then I'll try to figure out what I did differently, and then it'll grow.
02:35:11.000But the beautiful thing about comedy is it has built-in editors, and it's the audience.
02:36:14.000And ultimately, it's like listening, because, especially with horror, you have someone, you know, I've had plenty of emails, and I know you have too, like, what kind of a person are you?
02:38:29.000I mean, yeah, so do I. I love my son, and I know you love your kids too, but, you know, there's some points where me and my wife look at each other where, you know, I mean, I don't know if you had good sleepers, but me, like, our kid's a toddler now, and he still doesn't sleep well, but...
02:38:43.000Man, there were times like four o'clock in the morning when he hadn't slept.
02:38:46.000And I feel like I was just like, there was some hellish fourth dimension that had opened up that I was staring straight into.
02:38:52.000And I just think, I think, but then that's part of the rites of passage of, of you, of you being a parent.
02:38:57.000But, but if there's someone said, I want anything to do with that.
02:38:59.000I'm like, I don't, I don't blame you, man.
02:39:14.000And there's people that feel like that if they have children, you know, there's something special above and beyond a person who doesn't have children.
02:42:13.000Yeah, but I've never heard it, but I've had people who are pretty close to intolerant on that level as well, you know?
02:42:20.000And I don't get it either, and I certainly, before I had kids, yeah, I'm more comfortable with them now, and I'm more, like, sympathetic towards other people who are struggling with their kid out in public.
02:43:56.000I mean, I wrote an article for Esquire and it was about, and you would have some knowledge of this basically because it's in MMA, is hormone replacement therapy or testosterone, TRT. And there's this study,
02:46:56.000But that's sort of the idea of TRT, is that the proponents say that, you know, you're not going to live forever.
02:47:02.000Of course, that's not the body that we've been gifted by, you know, by nature.
02:47:07.000But, you know, most, when you talk to guys, and I talk to guys, I use my father as, you know, my dad's 65, now 66. And he's like, I don't want to live forever, of course.
02:47:17.000I just want to be able to be, to carry groceries up to my house when I'm 80. Yeah.
02:47:21.000I want to have that sort of quality of life for as long as I can.
02:47:24.000And then when that whole house comes down, let it come down immediately.
02:47:41.000Brendan Schaub, who is on the podcast, The Fighter and the Kid, with my friend Brian Callan, he's a fighter in the UFC. And he said it best.
02:47:49.000And he said, what's wrong with TRT when it comes to competitive sports is that there's an advantage of youth and there's an advantage of wisdom.
02:47:57.000And wisdom comes with age and with experience and with years and years of study and practice.
02:48:33.000See, I feel like that's one where he's, like, forced to go into, like, wars with guys who are 15, even 20 years younger than him, and I feel like, you know what I mean?
02:48:44.000But then, you know, the people that I grew up watching as boxers didn't, you know, you just had to keep throwing yourself into that fray, and if your body's collapsing around you, that's the choice that you've made.
02:48:54.000Well, he's not on testosterone anymore.
02:49:42.000So it's really interesting also because these people that have been taking it for X amount of years, they've depleted their system.
02:49:49.000They've sort of shut their own endogenous production down.
02:49:53.000I think there's too many negatives to it.
02:49:57.000There's too many negatives to it as far as for athletic competition.
02:50:00.000And one of the big ones is I have Dr. Mark Gordon, who's a friend of mine, who is an expert on traumatic brain injury.
02:50:06.000And he says one of the big issues is you have to find out what is it that's causing this depletion of their natural source of testosterone.
02:50:22.000Well, he scared the fuck out of me, man.
02:50:24.000His take on traumatic brain injury is so studied, and he's been involved in assisting football players and athletes of- Concussions.
02:50:34.000Yeah, a lot of them who have had really dramatic changes because of head trauma.
02:50:40.000And the way he describes it, it's like, you never know what it's going to be that does it.
02:50:44.000It could be, you go jet skiing one day, and you know, just the bouncing on the water, and something's wrong in your brain, and then your body shuts down its testosterone, your libido drops, you feel depressed.
02:50:55.000And you're not aware of it, you just feel like...
02:50:57.000The bottom dropped out of me here somehow.
02:50:59.000Yeah, and you go to the doctor, I'm depressed, they put you on antidepressants.
02:51:01.000I mean, it's like, And what he's finding is that the pituitary gland is incredibly sensitive to trauma.
02:51:06.000And so, obviously, when you're dealing with a sport that one of the big goals is to shut the brain down with impacts, with a strike, Giving them testosterone so that it negates the effects of brain trauma sort of just masks the real issue that's going on.
02:51:28.000So it's not as simple as their body getting older and they need testosterone to live a nice quality of life.
02:51:35.000It's a matter of medication that sort of overrides this issue where they're getting their brain fucked up.
02:51:57.000And so, you know, of course, my editor wanted me to look at the sports side of a thing, and I did, and I think there was some really interesting stuff to be found on that side of it.
02:52:48.000You know, I wouldn't, like I more or less said, if my dad wanted to use it, I would be like, listen, if it works, and if you try it, you know what I mean?
02:52:57.000You know, when it makes some benefit to your life, you know, I'd be like, of course, I'd be all for it.
02:53:02.000It's really the tip of the iceberg when it comes to manipulating the human body.
02:53:06.000It's essentially a low-level form of genetic engineering.
02:53:09.000And what you're going to be able to do instead of introducing these synthetic hormones into your system, what you're going to be able to do is they're going to have nanobots that repair tissue.
02:53:19.000They're going to have your body's ability to recuperate.
02:53:22.000A lot of people don't understand what hormones do and the various different roles that they play in your body, but a hormone doesn't necessarily make you bigger.
02:53:32.000What makes you bigger is it makes you, when you take testosterone, it makes you recover quicker.
02:53:38.000And one of the ways guys can cheat is that they can work harder and they can put in more time because their recovery is shorter.
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