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00:07:32.000It wasn't just intense because you won.
00:07:35.000What was really intense for me is, and I've always experienced this in these fights for the troops.
00:07:41.000First of all, it's great to be able to go to them and put on these fights and have them in these hangers and these tight environments.
00:07:48.000Just the appreciation and the respect that everybody has for the fighters is really intense.
00:07:56.000You, first of all, you being a veteran and you being unabashed in your love for soldiers and your respect for your fellow military members, when you got on top of that cage and after, you know, they were cheering and you were yelling out to all those people that you loved them.
00:10:04.000Well, I remember important things, and that was a deep moment.
00:10:08.000I wrote a thing a long time ago about one of the fights for the troops about the national anthem, and I recorded it.
00:10:17.000I filmed it on my phone when someone was singing the national anthem, and you turn around, and I was filming the crowd while it was all going on, And the feeling in the air, the electricity in the air of hearing the national anthem while you're around active duty soldiers who are in a war currently,
00:10:35.000have had friends, had loved ones die, have experienced firefights, have been there, have come back, and now they're here in time off, getting to enjoy a fight, and everyone's standing up, and there's electricity.
00:10:57.000I don't understand the whole realm outside of what you can physically see, but there's no way to describe moments like that Where you're surrounded by these heroes, these selfless freaking superstars of humanity.
00:11:13.000And, you know, they bleed in every sense of the word for their country.
00:11:18.000And then the national anthem come on, or the flag goes up, and you see them all.
00:11:22.000And there's this energy there that just can't be described.
00:11:27.000You know, that's the really intense aspect of it, is that there's a lot of resistance and blowback towards war and towards the military-industrial complex and towards...
00:12:32.000There's people that have heroic intent, and there's people that have...
00:12:36.000Heroic ideals, and they really do love and respect the idea of freedom, but they get thrust into a situation where everything is completely out of control and chaotic, and a guy like Pat Tillman was very vocal about it.
00:13:26.000I've been anti-war my whole entire life with, you know, uncles that fought in World War II, or in Vietnam, you know, grandparents that fought in World War II. But with that...
00:14:07.000But there's people that do those things.
00:14:10.000There's people that go and kidnap 300 girls in school this week because they were going to school.
00:14:18.000Those people have to answer to somebody and the only people they would answer to are guys like me or guys that are better than me that are still doing it.
00:14:57.000Especially if you just look at human history.
00:15:00.000Look at human history from recorded times, from the beginning when people started writing things down, people always did awful shit if they could get away with it.
00:15:07.000To get away with it, for evil to prevail, all it takes is for Goodman to do nothing, right?
00:18:02.000Those dudes just flew planes into our buildings.
00:18:04.000I'm going, you know, that's, that's what they were where I was a little bit late.
00:18:08.000So I think just the response is humbling.
00:18:11.000Yeah, it's very tricky because the people that flew the planes are already dead, right?
00:18:15.000But the idea that there's a faction of the world that's planning things along these lines and it's willing to go to such extreme lengths When you see shit like that happen in the world and you see it from a perspective of an outsider versus seeing it from a perspective of someone who's actually there and in the military,
00:19:11.000I almost have this cold, calculated response.
00:19:15.000I hear about something happening, and I don't want to go over with a baseball bat and smash a bunch of dudes' heads in like I did 12 years ago.
00:19:24.000Now it's like when Bin Laden was killed.
00:19:29.000I spent some prime years of my life in mountains of Afghanistan and Pakistan looking for that idiot.
00:19:35.000And then Navy SEALs go in and get him, and I was like, dang it, I missed it.
00:19:43.000I didn't want to shoot him myself, but I was like, oh, man.
00:19:46.000You didn't want to shoot him yourself?
00:19:48.000Not that I would love to have shot him myself, but I wasn't mad that I didn't get to, which was like my response, you know, 11, 12 years ago.
00:20:00.000That whole event was one of the biggest, like, what do you think really happened conspiracies online.
00:20:07.000When they didn't show the body and they threw it in the ocean and the whole idea that he was going to be a martyr, like, that was so perplexing to me.
00:20:15.000The whole thing was so completely perplexing to me.
00:20:17.000Like, why wouldn't you just show his body?
00:20:25.000Historically, through the course of this war, we've done it on numerous instances, whether it's Saddam hanging or Zarqawi in his blown up body.
00:20:35.000Some I was involved with, some I wasn't.
00:20:37.000It's been very clear, the response by the fanatic side when they see the body.
00:20:45.000Maybe that person becomes a martyr and then he's idolized for years.
00:20:50.000Or maybe it just incites an immediate riot.
00:22:08.000Fanatical religious fundamentalists that are willing to die is terrifying for a good reason.
00:22:14.000It's one of the worst aspects of human beings is that we can talk people into believing in some completely ridiculous shit and talk them into believing in so much so that they're willing to kill themselves.
00:22:24.000The other problem with human beings is that Once a guy gets that far, once a human, man, woman, whatever, is that far gone, how do you bring him back?
00:25:11.000So do you guys, when they set up training for you, whether it's physical martial arts training or fitness training, is there instructors who set a program for you?
00:25:43.000So, there's permanent fixtures at the Special Forces installations that train guys on a daily basis, and they have relationships to bring in experts.
00:25:52.000Obviously, What you do in a house once you blow a door in when you're going inside on a kill-capture mission is different than you're going to do in the cage.
00:26:00.000So it has to be guys that can adapt whatever they're teaching or know what their limitations are.
00:26:05.000Greg Jackson doesn't go in there and try to teach knife fighting.
00:26:09.000He knows what his left and right limits are, but he's one of the best, so he comes in and gives the best instruction that he can to try to provide tools for guys to be better at what they do.
00:26:19.000You train a lot down there in Albuquerque.
00:27:47.000She's this beautiful black girl that wears this huge wig and she's like four or five inches taller than I am and probably 50 pounds bigger than I am.
00:28:24.000It's just because the gym's there and good stable of tough guys there.
00:28:29.000I mean, I would love it if Mike Winkerjohn and Greg Jackson, you know, let's say we're in Austin, Texas, you know, or LA or, you know, San Luis Obispo, but they're in Albuquerque, New Mexico.
00:29:57.000And then we enlisted together, he went to Special Forces, went to 7th Group together, went to Afghanistan together, and then he married my sister-in-law.
00:30:39.000I thought I did too, but it was close and there were just like small adjustments I needed to make and adjustments that I wasn't making on my own.
00:32:57.000He knows what, like where Greg wants you to paint the best version of yourself.
00:33:04.000Winklejohn doesn't have that kind of responsive approach to you.
00:33:09.000He knows what you need to do to be better.
00:33:11.000You know, and he says, this is what you should do to be better.
00:33:14.000And this is what we're going to drill it relentlessly until you are.
00:33:16.000You know, Greg's like, alright, I want to see you develop this.
00:33:20.000Let me give you some tools so you can implement this in your fighting style and it's going to be adaptive to every single different athlete that he has.
00:33:27.000Where Winklejohn's like, no, this is what you need to do and this is how we're going to do it.
00:33:35.000For folks who don't know, he lost an eye in training.
00:33:39.000Someone, they threw a kick and the toenail missed the pad and caught his eyeball, which is the first I've ever heard of that happening, ever.
00:33:48.000I've heard of guys getting scratched badly in training from sparring, but never from holding pads.
00:33:54.000He wears safety glasses every time he holds now.
00:39:51.000Big John told me that they were having this meeting with the Athletic Commission, and they had seen karate-breaking demonstrations on ESPN at 2 o'clock in the morning.
00:41:12.000The knees to the head on the ground would be problematic against the cage because a guy couldn't move.
00:41:16.000And that was one of the good things about pride was the ropes.
00:41:19.000If soccer kicks and all those things, you can kind of scoot your head under the ropes to get away from things.
00:41:24.000You're not contained by your environment to the point where you would suffer a damaging blow that you could have avoided by your own power.
00:41:34.000The north-south, you know, 69 position for knees to the head on the ground.
00:41:37.000That's the only position I could think, you know, like, obviously the limitation is you still can't strike to the top of the head or the back of the head with a knee.
00:41:44.000And that, under that premise, then it doesn't really matter where you need somebody from because you can't hurt them any worse than you could in any other way with any other strike from any other position.
00:41:56.000Yeah, and also, I don't like this thing that guys are doing where they drop one hand down to avoid being kneed in the head, and they pick it up and they drop it down.
00:44:26.000Yeah, when I asked him about the elbows in tight, like fighting Glover against the cage like that, I knew, I just had a fucking feeling that he was improvising that.
00:44:36.000I was like, is this something you planned out?
00:45:29.000No, it changed the The whole feeling of what Glover could do offensively from that point forward.
00:45:49.000He's got to watch the finger pokes though, man.
00:45:51.000John is always doing that thing where he's extending his hands and, you know, guys trying to move forward, they wind up running into his fingers all the time.
00:45:59.000I really do believe, I hate finger pokes, knees to the groin when guys get tired, cage grabbing, like...
00:47:59.000Yeah, it would be, you can't touch me, and I'm going to keep hitting you, and you're going to not know what to do, and then either you're going to get choked unconscious or beat the fuck up.
00:49:19.000You see them once, and then you never see them again.
00:49:22.000It's a fascinating thing where you're watching all this stuff evolve right in front of your eyes.
00:49:28.000How do you manage your training when it comes to working on new techniques, adding new things to your arsenal, and then still just the conditioning, the sparring, the day-to-day drilling that you have to do?
00:49:41.000How do you manage stuffing all that stuff in?
00:49:44.000Time management, like a good athlete, you know, I do things in like ratios, percentages of, okay, I want to develop or give a certain percentage of time to getting better.
00:49:56.000So I'm going to, you know, let's say I have 10 classes a week.
00:50:03.000In those 10 classes, you know, like I want...
00:50:06.000I want two or three of them to be exclusively focused on drilling new techniques.
00:50:11.000You know, then I want two or three of them to be maintenance of things that I do well and want to continue to do well.
00:50:18.000And there's just grappling, like in a one-week 10 class setting and then you know two or three of them are hard grappling, rolling, sparring type sessions.
00:50:28.000You know the other ones like maybe a floater of I'm teaching or I'm working with just you know a handful of black belts trying to create new stuff.
00:50:36.000You know so like it's equally proportionate to staying good, challenging myself physically, and developing new technique and learning.
00:52:33.000So it gets exposed to negative 300 degrees.
00:52:36.000The first thing it does is take blood from the extremities and rushes it to the vital life-sustaining organs of your body, your brain, your heart, and your lungs.
00:52:46.000So, all the blood goes from your extremities to your core, and then you're there for like 2-3 minutes, and it's super crazy, because if you have an injury like a hurt knee or a hurt hand, where you have extra fluid there, it gets super cold there, because you have more fluid there,
00:53:01.000and more fluid is conductive, and it gets colder faster.
00:53:04.000So you can feel these injuries on your body get crazy cold.
00:53:08.000And then you hop out, three minutes up, you get out of the chamber, and then your body responds to being in 80 degrees.
00:53:15.000And all the blood rushes back out to the extremities.
00:53:19.000So you get this huge infusion of good, healthy blood back out to these injuries and back out to your extremities.
00:53:43.000Trying to treat an injury, you know, you have, you have rest, ice, compression, elevation, you know, when, when you're trying to work on recovery without injury, you want circulation.
00:53:52.000So you want good, healthy blood going to muscles that you've just fatigued to increase recovery and response time.
00:53:59.000So like if you just like simple terms, if I went and did like a big squat and deadlift workout for the day, right?
00:54:06.000My legs and back and butt are going to be sore.
00:54:09.000Um, You know, those extremities, it's vascular region.
00:54:15.000All the blood that's sitting there In that area, in my legs, in my back, in my butt, all rush to my brain and lungs and heart.
00:54:24.000Then I get out and all sorts of great new fantastic blood goes back to my legs, back and butt.
00:54:30.000So I get a great huge infusion of good healthy blood back out to my extremities to increase recovery time because I'm just increasing circulation.
00:54:38.000Increasing circulation is increasing recovery.
00:55:22.000I believe the tenets, the foundations of being a healthy, recovering athlete, good sleep, good food, good sex, you have to have those.
00:55:32.000If you're doing those things, then your body's going to...
00:55:36.000Adapt to whatever the workload of volume that you're putting out so I have a crazy volume like guys that come and train with me They're like this is normal.
00:55:44.000Like this is what I do normally But I just have a very healthy foundation of a lifestyle You know like where I don't really drink.
00:55:51.000I don't ever smoke You know like I train every single day two three times a day like this is my body is adaptive to that and then everything else the supporting structure of eating well, you know having awesome supplements You know having everything just to make my body Respond properly to training.
00:57:36.000And once you know what that is, kind of in between workouts, you...
00:57:41.000Know cumulatively in a day what you've burnt.
00:57:43.000And then you just add during the workouts, you know, if I work out two or three times that day, you know, if I'm doing a 90-minute strength and conditioning session, you know, I'm going to burn anywhere between 12 to 1600 calories in that session, you know, from warm-up to cool-down.
00:57:58.000You know, like, last night I had a two-hour jujitsu session, you know, like, and it smashed afterwards, you know, like...
00:58:06.000I know kind of what my heart rate was at during the entire time and two hours.
00:58:12.000That's going to be another 1,500 calories that I'm putting on top of what I burnt in that day.
00:58:16.000So I get a snapshot that I burnt 5,500 to 6,000 calories.
00:59:59.000Apparently inflammation and I found out about it from a physical therapist that gluten and inflammation, they're like, people say, oh, you know, you're not really gluten sensitive.
01:00:14.000Yeah, that's a fascinating thing, that it's a normal part of everybody's diet.
01:00:17.000You wouldn't think that it would have that sort of an effect on your joints or your back, but it really does.
01:00:23.000Yeah, well, especially if they train like we do.
01:00:25.000Then, now we're just compounding problems where we have the enablers to cause inflammation, and then we're diet- Giving something that helps cause it.
01:00:34.000Now things are just compounded and it's exponential.
01:00:58.000When I say real, it's my food that I shot, that I cleaned, that I froze, that I packaged, that I brought in from my greenhouse, my backyard.
01:01:14.000I love being connected to what I put in my body.
01:01:17.000Yeah, there's very few people who have experienced that, haven't said that it's something special.
01:01:23.000When you cook an animal that you actually hunted, shot, butchered, cut up, put in your freezer, or eat it in camp, which is even better, when you're eating it a couple hours after it died, this is an amazing connection that...
01:02:51.000People find that impossibly contradictory, but it's not.
01:02:57.000The other thing that people don't want to admit is that if you do not shoot these animals, they're going to continue to fuck, they're going to continue to procreate, and then how are you going to control the population?
01:03:12.000You want wolves running around through your fucking neighborhood, killing everything that they can get a hold of, including dogs, including livestock?
01:03:21.000How are you going to control the populations of these animals that don't have natural predators?
01:03:27.000First, my experience, I was like a prepubescent kid when Catalina Island, off the coast here of California, somebody accidentally introduced a hog.
01:04:00.000Like, get rid of these hogs that were destroying the entire ecosystem of that island.
01:04:08.000And that happens on a much more, that's the micro example on a tiny little island with a tiny little animal.
01:04:14.000But if you look at the big picture of, you know, like, Deer in the south, or hogs from Florida to Texas, or the python that was introduced in the Everglades, they have to be hunted to maintain the balance of harmony in the ecosystem.
01:04:30.000The ecosystem will crash if it's not done.
01:04:34.000So you either, like you said, give a predator, and that predator has serious problems that come along with it, or you have the hunter that does it properly, and then you have the benefits that come along with it, which is a proper ecosystem.
01:05:35.000Just sixteen different fucking wild murderous cats.
01:05:38.000And it's because there's so many pigs, there's so much game up there.
01:05:42.000You could, from Texas to Florida, you could bring in every hunter in the nation and have them kill ten pigs apiece and it wouldn't even dent the population of wild hogs in the southeast.
01:07:50.000And they're catching these pigs running, headshots where they're tumbling while they're running, and there's something barbaric and fucked up about it, but they're taking that food and they're feeding hungry people, they have Hunters for the Hungry, they give the wild pork, which is excellent meat, they give it to hungry families,
01:08:05.000and it's really, really, really delicious food, and it's important too, but...
01:08:10.000Then there's that thing where people are like, well, that's fucked up, man.
01:08:39.000They have so many deer up there that they're bringing in snipers.
01:08:42.000They're bringing in snipers in the middle of the night, and the town has proposed to give these deer birth control, to somehow or another give them food, put food out that has birth control in it, which, by the way, the male deer are going to...
01:08:54.000So you're going to make bitches out of the male deer.
01:08:56.000The male deer are going to run around, I think I'm fucking pregnant.
01:09:03.000Yeah, so you're going to have these male deer that are eating birth control, female deer, and it's going to cost hundreds of thousands of dollars.
01:09:09.000And it's a direct result of the failure to eradicate these animals or control their population through hunting.
01:09:15.000There's a place in Pennsylvania where they have 24 hour a day, 7 day a week hunting 365 days a year.
01:09:26.000You can hunt all years around because there are so many deer.
01:09:28.000They're like, just fucking bring in hunters.
01:09:31.000And the hunters come in and there's these huge estates that have these 10-acre properties where there's fucking tree stands.
01:09:38.000There's million-dollar houses with fucking putting green courses and dudes in tree stands launching arrows at deer because they're fucking everywhere.
01:11:17.000It's like, I mean, I guess you could eat it if you were starving to death, but another problem is, if you shoot them, you have to kill them.
01:11:23.000Because if you shoot them and you wound them, they run into their hole and then the other ones eat it.
01:12:05.000You know, if you go back throughout history and you find some of the animals that were just really enormous just a few hundred million years ago and they've somehow shrunk down to a manageable size.
01:13:29.000But the finite nature of life itself, it seems to me it's so silly that you think that somehow or another you not killing animals is somehow going to balance things out.
01:13:38.000Or you not being a part of killing animals is going to balance.
01:14:31.000When the cat's coming, he knows how to get to the tall branches.
01:14:35.000The monkey that stays in the ground and picks his ass while the jaguar is slowly creeping up on him, that's the monkey that's supposed to die.
01:14:41.000The weird part about the SeaWorlds and the zoos of our life is that I love when people are like, oh, did you see the movie Blackfish?
01:15:38.000We don't even understand how smart they are because they can't alter their environment.
01:15:42.000So we don't think of them as being smart because they don't have thumbs, they don't pick things up, because they can move in 3D all around the ocean.
01:15:49.000They can fucking dive and swim and move around and they have these pods, they stay together, they have families, they have dialects, they have languages.
01:15:56.000They're so intelligent That we're just now starting to understand that they have variations in the way they speak, depending upon what geographic location they're at.
01:17:42.000One of the best documentaries that he did was when he went to Africa and went to these hunting camps.
01:17:48.000They have these high fence hunting camps where they take these animals and they put them in these huge enclosures and they let people hunt them.
01:17:55.000The irony is these animals are, there's higher populations, they're healthier, there's more of them.
01:18:01.000Animals that were on the verge of extinction are now, there's many, many, many of them, but they're hunted.
01:18:08.000So it's like people have this weird sort of like, well, yeah, the animals are healthier, the populations are healthier, but the reason being is because people can pay to go kill them.
01:19:50.000And, in a sense, that sort of mirrors What's going on when it comes to wildlife in America.
01:19:56.000More money has been spent by hunters to conserve wetlands, to preserve wildlife habitat for elk, to preserve areas where deer live and to establish clear protocols as far as how many animals Can be sustained in any given location and keep the populations healthy.
01:20:49.000And again, it's just the way the world is.
01:20:53.000Which is like this ironic contrast to the first 10 years of my life where, like, I didn't think what I was shooting was beautiful because they're evil fuckers.
01:21:02.000Now, as a sportsman, a hunter, I love these animals.
01:23:30.000Well, you would know better than anybody what the horrors of war are.
01:23:35.000So would you think that someone who has experienced that would have a better perspective about what's necessary and what's not necessary when it comes to Sort of just managing peace?
01:23:52.000You know, there's no, like, nirvonic moment where you have, like, this clear sight of, you know, what...
01:23:57.000An understanding of what's necessary and what's not, how people should be or how people shouldn't be.
01:24:03.000Like, if anything, you know, as six years as a door kicker, assaulter, and then four years as a Halo sniper guy, I've seen death, like, from a foot away and from a mile away.
01:24:16.000So there's no range of death I haven't seen.
01:24:19.000So if anything, I value life more, I think.
01:24:27.000But without a doubt, I think it's absolutely necessary.
01:24:30.000And needed to such a level that I can't even imagine what this world would be like.
01:24:40.000Had we not been involved to the degree that we've been involved in for the past 12 years, trying to eradicate this fanatic group of psychopaths.
01:24:49.000So, I don't want to think about what the world would be like.
01:24:53.000But, you know, I don't want my nieces and my nephews or my kids to ever have to do what I did.
01:26:08.000It's a confusing lie, too, because it's like, wait a minute, wait a minute, this has actually happened?
01:26:13.000When you find out about the Gulf of Tonkin or Operation Northwoods, that there have been these moments in time where people have tried to figure out a way to lie in order to drag people into war, a war that otherwise the public wouldn't support.
01:26:34.000Not only that exists, but that's ignored.
01:26:37.000It's ignored and almost brushed under the table when you start talking about war and about policy.
01:26:41.000This is something that people don't want to acknowledge, that we have been duped by the military-industrial complex in the past, and that it is actually standard operational procedure.
01:26:51.000They will come up with different ways in order to get people to support war, and one of them is the lie.
01:27:01.000When guys come back, the big one is PTSD. That's the hardest aspect, it seems, to integrate back into a normal society with normal life and normal jobs and normal...
01:27:16.000Just the things that we all just deal with on a regular basis, for some folks, it becomes almost unbearable.
01:27:22.000What is the difference between people that integrate smoothly and people that have an incredibly difficult time?
01:27:30.000You know, from that incredibly difficult time to smoothly are all scales, you know, and the biggest or the factors are the degrees of coping mechanisms that an individual has.
01:27:42.000I have a very strong family, you know, like an amazing wife, fantastic father and mother, they're still married, amazing brother and sister, great, like, so family unit, very supportive.
01:27:52.000I'm very fit, I'm very healthy, I'm well educated, I was well trained.
01:27:57.000These are all different mechanisms to deal with stress.
01:27:59.000Everybody deals with stress differently, but the foundation of how you deal with stress, you have to have these fundamental elements to be able to do it.
01:28:07.000The more of them that you have, the more stress you can deal with.
01:28:10.000So a guy like me that was a ranger, sniper, Green Beret, like, killed lots of dudes, can come back and sleep well at night.
01:28:21.000There are things that, you know, like, I had moments where a guy smoking a clove that maybe just ate at an Indian restaurant, so I'm having some sensory to, like, how he smells, listening to...
01:28:31.000You know, music from that culture that I just spent six, you know, six months with.
01:28:36.000You know, like, I'm like, I want to shoot this person.
01:29:57.000When you hear about stories where guys snap, and there have been several over the course of these two wars, and one of the big ones was a decorated guy wound up killing a bunch of civilians, and it made...
01:30:12.000You made a lot of the rounds on these talk shows where people try to discuss PTSD and traumatic events and that this guy was having real problems and reporting having real problems before all this happened and they kept sending him back over there.
01:30:27.000Do you relate to that and you try to figure it out for yourself?
01:30:33.000When you see these stories in the news, how do they hit you?
01:31:47.000And that's such an important thing that you said about the coping mechanisms that you have in place.
01:31:52.000What What's done to help veterans when they come back as far as help them strengthen their coping mechanisms, help them deal with situations?
01:32:02.000What kind of support do they offer you?
01:32:05.000Now, you know, we've been at war for a long time.
01:32:07.000We have a lot of things in place where, you know, FRG, the Family Readiness Group, is there for your family.
01:32:13.000So when you're coming back, your family has an understanding of what you've experienced or how to deal with you.
01:32:21.000Hey, Saturday you're going to be coaching kids softball.
01:32:24.000Saturday night we're going to mom and dad's.
01:32:26.000They're not overwhelming you with American life, which is normal to everybody else unless you've been in a plywood building for 12 months and now you're back surrounded with thousands of people that you have no idea.
01:32:59.000You know, like, Brian Stan is a great example, Hire Heroes.
01:33:04.000You know, he's involved with getting these guys back to work.
01:33:09.000Veterans Outdoors, like a Make-Wish Foundation for wounded guys.
01:33:12.000So if you have a serious physical ailment from battle, whether it's internal or physical, they'll give you these crazy things just to be like, hey, things are okay.
01:35:22.000Yeah, and that sort of brings up what we were talking about before, where it's the...
01:35:29.000The discussion of TRT when it comes to mixed martial arts training, testosterone replacement therapy, for folks who don't know this debate, they're not mixed martial arts fans, and there's probably a lot of people listening to this that aren't,
01:35:47.000For a long time, over a year, two years, whatever it was, you were allowed to get prescribed testosterone.
01:36:58.000You're making it so that these old wise people now are juiced to the gills and they can train 17 hours a fucking day and it gets real weird.
01:37:41.000If it's baseball and Sammy Sosa, Mark McGuire era, I don't really care.
01:37:46.000But we're in a sport where we're Hitting each other in the face and choking each other unconscious.
01:37:52.000We do not need the advantage of taking the years of experience of doing martial arts for, you know, 20 some odd years, and then giving us bodies of 20 year olds.
01:38:03.000The physicality, the recovery, the responsiveness.
01:38:08.000It's horrible, but guys have been doing it.
01:38:10.000And now we're at this juncture where we're now saying, okay, it's not okay.
01:38:15.000You can't have an athletic commission allow you to do it.
01:38:19.000So does that mean that guys are going to do it on the side and do it orally because they know when they're going to get tested or now they're not being monitored, so they're just going to do it whenever and however they want?
01:38:31.000It's weird because there were a few guys that were on it for several years and they were being very successful while they were on it and then all of a sudden it gets pulled away.
01:38:47.000You know, for like a, I don't know, let's say a hypothetical 37-year-old that's been on testosterone for four or five years, and then he can't have it anymore.
01:38:55.000It's going to take that guy a long time, if ever, to be able to naturally produce testosterone.
01:39:01.000And he'll never have the levels that he had when he was on it.
01:40:58.000Guys are trying to take every advantage, every shortcut that they possibly can.
01:41:03.000You and I can look at a dude and we just from the texture of his skin can know if he's on a cycle, if he's off a cycle, if he was on a cycle.
01:41:13.000By texture of their skin, you mean like zits on their back and stuff like that?
01:41:16.000Yeah, like acne or acne scarring or...
01:41:18.000It's possible that they have that naturally, right?
01:41:28.000Or like a guy looked one way five years ago when he was 32 and now he's 37 and he looks 10,000 times better than he ever has in his whole entire life.
01:41:52.000So, you know, he's a scapegoat, I think, a little bit for TRT, because it was a bigger problem for the entire sport, where...
01:42:03.000He, in my opinion, just personified a problem.
01:42:07.000And then everybody pinned everything on him.
01:42:10.000But it was a big problem throughout the whole entire sports, which is performance-enhancing drugs.
01:42:14.000And is it right for a 37-year-old dude like Vitor Belfort to be on testosterone for five years look amazing and fantastic while he's on it?
01:42:24.000And nothing like he did five years ago where he was struggling, winning a fight, losing a fight.
01:43:02.000I'm not a doctor, but having been a professional athlete for 13 years, I've never seen somebody that was so responsive to testosterone like he was and then come clean and try to be an athlete like they were when they were using performance-enhancing drugs afterwards and just miraculously...
01:43:25.000Being as good as they were when they were on it.
01:43:28.000I can't think of a single sport, a single sportsman in history where they got popped, they were watched closely, and then performed as well after that point.
01:43:40.000Yeah, I completely agree with you that it's so different than baseball and all these other things.
01:43:46.000What I don't like about the baseball steroid controversy is that a young kid who's coming up who wants to play baseball almost has to do it in order to compete.
01:43:56.000So when there's a guy like Mark McGuire who's juiced to the gills, crushing the ball out of the stadium, a young guy coming up that wants to be like Mark McGuire Most likely, unless you have incredible genetics, you're just a genetic specimen, just a weird freak of nature,
01:44:12.000some guy who's just extreme mesomorph, you're probably not going to ever be able to do that.
01:44:19.000Yeah, that to me sucks, that a young guy has to risk his endocrine system and put it in it, but there's such a big difference between that and a combat sport.
01:44:50.000Joe Silva's about to throw an offer my way, let's say, to fight in 10 weeks.
01:44:56.000He knows he's going to throw an offer my way.
01:44:58.000Before he throws the offer my way, a guy from the Athletic Commission in the respective state that I'm going to be fighting in shows up and says, hey, pee in the cup.
01:45:07.000That's how you're going to get a fair, equal system.
01:45:11.000Not where you tell a guy in Brazil, hey, you need to come up here and take a drug test.
01:45:15.000And he's like, oh yeah, man, I'll be there in like four days.
01:46:37.000Can you take, you know, on its T-plus?
01:46:40.000We're having great results with that T-plus stuff where guys are showing these 50% increases in rates of lifting and their rate of progress over people that are not taking it and double-blind placebos.
01:46:53.000Like, when does it become legal and when does it become cheating?
01:46:57.000When is it like a nice supplement and when is it a performance-enhancing drug?
01:47:03.000I think one of the big things is what does it do to your body in the long run?
01:47:09.000You know, when you're using a supplement, we'll just call them all supplements, we'll just even remove performance-enhancing drugs from the discussion, just a supplement that does In the short term, great benefits.
01:47:25.000When you have WWE stars that are dying at 41 from heart attacks, and lo and behold, they've been doing steroids for 12 years, it's tragic, it's sad, but not surprising.
01:47:35.000Isn't a lot of those guys, it's pain pills.
01:48:25.000Yeah, it becomes like a thing where there's things that you can take that elevate your body's natural production of testosterone, and they can enhance your body's production.
01:48:34.000But what they don't do is introduce synthetic versions of it that shut down your endocrine system.
01:48:39.000What they don't do is give you these hyperhuman levels that are causing you to grow tits.
01:48:47.000There's got to be like a comfortable medium between eating healthy, having benefits like the cryo chamber and all these different things that do enhance recovery, but don't put you and your body in danger.
01:49:03.000You know, to give you, like, the rest of your life, you're fucked.
01:49:06.000You know, from 35 on, your body's just devastated.
01:49:10.000And it's not going to be black and white.
01:49:11.000You know, it's not going to be a line drawn in the sand.
01:49:14.000You know, that line needs to be able to be moved.
01:49:15.000You know, it needs to have, you know, commissions and medical professionals that can adjust and adapt to what's happening, you know, with the growth of science.
01:49:23.000You know, like, there's a reason why we're breaking records at every Olympics.
01:49:47.000You know, there has to be repercussions.
01:49:49.000My concern is what's really going to happen in the future, which happens with almost anything that involves human innovation.
01:49:57.000Like if you look back at the cell phones of the 1990s where they had these fucking giant bricks and they'd hold them up to the head and wrap videos.
01:50:04.000Now you can go anywhere in the world in a third world country in an impoverished neighborhood and people have these really small Incredibly complex cell phones that are just these magical devices that allow you to interface with the entire knowledge base of the world.
01:50:20.000I wonder what's going to happen when you have the kind of technology that they're working on right now, genetic engineering, at a cellular level where they're able to change people.
01:50:30.000I mean, I'm sure you're aware of the myostatin inhibitors, like these things that they've demonstrated in Whippets, these dogs.
01:50:39.000Just because of breeding, just a mistake in breeding, they've produced these super hyper-muscular dogs that have double the muscle, and cows as well.
01:52:46.000It might not be in our lifetimes, but our children's children, for sure, are gonna experience human beings that no one has ever experienced in the entire...
01:53:43.000I go, let me tell you, if you met me, if I was 17 and you were 17, you would think, oh my god, this is the dumbest fucking guy that's ever walked the face of the earth.
01:54:55.000We don't even need to say the name of the organization, but a buddy of mine used to be co-owner of a small mixed martial arts organization.
01:55:09.000Promote fighters through the internet, and they were just starting to do bios where they would research a guy through the internet.
01:55:15.000Well, they researched this guy and they find out that a guy with the exact same name won something called the Hungriest Butt Contest.
01:55:25.000So their gladiator, their heavyweight, their Adonis, 6'4", shredded man with his penthouse pet girlfriend that he would parade around at all these events also had done gay porn.
01:58:45.000I think anybody who's paying attention to the world and sees all the contradictory information that we're receiving, sees the chaos, just sees how fucked our political system is, our financial system, if you don't have strong opinions.
01:59:00.000If you don't have controversial opinions, you're not paying attention.
01:59:51.000But it's a tool, it's a mechanism that serves no other purpose.
01:59:54.000A car can get you from point A to point B, so why do they need a gun if the only thing it does is kill?
02:00:01.000I could say the same thing about a tractor if I wanted to.
02:00:04.000If I wanted to make a killer tractor, the only thing that it's designed for is to kill because I put spikes on its wheels and it doesn't excavate anything besides human souls.
02:00:19.000It is a way that they can do it easily, and that is an issue.
02:00:24.000But it's also, why does a person have the ability to do that?
02:00:31.000And how come so little effort and so little emphasis is on what causes a person to be able to disconnect or to be able to have so much hate and anger in their heart that they can kill a bunch of school children?
02:00:43.000That they can use a gun to shoot up a mall.
02:00:46.000Why isn't that the subject of discussion?
02:00:49.000And why is it always the tool for madness?
02:01:14.000If you take marijuana and just enjoy it and you don't hurt anybody, should that person be penalized because someone decided to just wake and bake every day and then fucking go into debt and wind up...
02:01:29.000And human weakness and a lack of character and all sorts of chemical imbalances.
02:01:35.000Or the culture and the structure around the person that led them to subsequently make these horrific decisions and actions that they use, whatever tool, don't care what it is, gun, knife, everything up to that point is what we should, the emphasis of trying to understand or prevent and acknowledge and research should be done.
02:01:58.000Whatever it was that was the end conclusion, it's all the things up to that point that are important, that nobody pays attention to, nobody cares about.
02:02:05.000That's what's ridiculous about any sort of control, gun control, knife control, bow and arrow control debate.
02:02:24.000You know what it's like to raise a person.
02:02:26.000And two, you've seen the consequences of human beings when they're in this environment that is totally fucked— From the jump and you see these religious fanatics and you see fundamentalism, you see chaos and a land that's just overrun with it.
02:03:07.000And it's, again, it's a sort of contradictory thing that through combat and through, you know, especially through martial arts, I think the deepest bond of commitment that I've ever experienced, outside of my family, is the friends that I've trained with and people that I've competed with.
02:03:24.000That have just, you see them, you know who the fuck they are.
02:03:29.000When you see a guy break in training, when you see a guy You know, with 30 seconds to go in the round, put his hands down on his knees and just take deep breaths and step away.
02:03:38.000And then you see the coach go, get back in there!
02:03:40.000And you see him suck it up and, you know, there's the guys who suck it up and there's the guys who don't.
02:04:06.000Like when you're making a sword, you know, the folding process of heating it up and pounding out the impurities and folding it again and pounding out the impurities.
02:04:14.000Like the hotter the fire, the more bad stuff gets cooked out.
02:04:20.000You put them in a room that's hot, put them in a gi that's hot, around a whole bunch of other dudes that are trying to choke each other out and kill you.
02:04:29.000You get glimpses of the depth and hardness of somebody's character and soul.
02:05:08.000He said, I think, you know, you seem like a nice guy, but I reserve judgment until I've trained with you, which is such a great way to put it.
02:05:16.000And, you know, a lot of people think, well, I don't want to fucking train you.
02:06:18.000The really remarkable ones that are the ones that could or have access to all of that and then choose not to, or on the total flip side, the guys that have access to none of that and challenge themselves and put themselves through hardships, the Aldos.
02:06:34.000They have nothing, and just through hard work, determination, they become something.
02:06:40.000Those are two complete polar opposites of a human that I adore.
02:07:01.000And then the flip side, the Puerto Rican that his parents swam over here or on some horrible boat.
02:07:09.000And, you know, they're one generation removed and they have, like, they put themselves through college or maybe they, like, joined the military so they could go to college and they're at this exact same point of their life as this rich yuppie guy that are just there because they want to see how far they can push themselves.
02:07:27.000Yeah, human beings are just, we are just a mass of potential.
02:07:32.000And it's awesome to see someone rise through adversity and reach a potential that elevates us all.
02:07:40.000Because when you see someone reach their potential or reach a very high level of anything, it changes the way you look at what's possible.
02:07:48.000When you see a guy who gets up at 6 o'clock in the morning, the alarm clock goes off, And he just fucking hits those hills and starts running and he does it every morning before work.
02:08:09.000Or you're one of those guys that diminishes that and tries to squash it because you're insecure and you want to tweet Tim Kennedy, you fucking bitch and fuck you and fuck the military, man.
02:08:24.000I think that strength is the best antidote for a lot of the weaknesses that we find in our society that we consider to be strength, like bullies.
02:08:35.000People say, what's the best solution to bullies?
02:08:41.000I think that is a core problem with men.
02:08:44.000Men have a giant fear hanging over their head all day long, and that is being dominated by other men.
02:08:50.000You know, I mean, what led me to martial arts 100% was I was scared of dudes kicking my ass.
02:08:57.000So I got into martial arts as a very young kid because of that.
02:09:00.000And I think that the more kids, if we had programs in school where we taught martial arts to kids in class, You would have so few instances of bullying.
02:09:11.000I think the dramatic decrease in bullying and the respect that people have for each other would change.
02:09:17.000The respect that people have for themselves.
02:09:23.000Unless there's some sort of a complete sociopath, you're not going to be happy with yourself if you pick on someone smaller than you.
02:09:29.000You're doing it because you're insecure.
02:09:30.000But if you weren't insecure or you were less insecure or you had some sort of sense of personal sovereignty because of training, you would have less of this inclination to do something shitty to someone like that.
02:10:13.000My dad's like, at a very early age, like, you are going to be doing martial arts.
02:10:18.000So I was like nine, and I remember saying a bad word on the mat and having my sensei come up with a screamer stick and hit me in the back of the head.
02:10:30.000And then I said a bad word when I messed up, and then pow!
02:10:33.000I didn't say that bad word again, but more importantly, I was able to control myself, which was the necessary element that I needed.
02:10:42.000And also the great feeling of accomplishment that you get when you learn that you can control yourself.
02:10:48.000When you feel yourself improving, you feel your character improving, and you have a difficult situation and you navigate it successfully, and you go, oh, I'm a better person now than I was when I was...
02:11:33.000Well, that's why I think guys like you are important, man.
02:11:35.000I think you set a great example on that.
02:11:37.000I think you set a great example with your words.
02:11:39.000I think you set a great example with your actions.
02:11:41.000It's one of the reasons why I've been wanting to talk to you on the podcast.
02:11:44.000You're a very inspirational guy, in my opinion.
02:11:46.000I think the way you talk about things and the way you express yourself, it's admirable and I think it helps people.
02:11:55.000It sets a very high standard and I think setting a high standard is one of the key things that young men and I'm sure young women as well need in life.
02:13:56.000The idea is that you learn from what you get wrong, and then that thing you don't do the same way next time.
02:14:05.000You say, you know what, I made a mistake the last time I was in a similar situation.
02:14:09.000Now I know that, and so now I'm going to power through with the knowledge that I've accumulated in my life from my past mistakes.
02:14:18.000That's a huge factor about being a person.
02:14:21.000A huge factor is that we're all learning from each other and I said a lot of cool shit when you were gone.
02:14:30.000But learning and learning from each other is the whole reason why it's great to have inspirational people to draw from and I think that now There's never been a time like this where you could just go on YouTube and you could be inspired for 24 hours a day,
02:15:27.000He runs this running group called the Gilbert Gazelles.
02:15:32.000The Hutu, when the genocide was occurring, he has these burns on his body because his family was murdered and he was piled into this pile of bodies and set on fire.
02:15:43.000And once the militias left from the Hutu and Tutus, he got up and started running.
02:15:49.000Then he went to the NCAA and started running there.
02:16:38.000You've got to cut them off and keep moving because they will hold you back.
02:16:41.000There are crabs in that bucket, and when you try to reach the top of that bucket, they will latch ahold of your little crab legs and drag you down with them.
02:18:32.000When the guy's on top of you dropping bombs and you're starting to see sparks and the elevator doors closing, do you think tapping the strikes is a bad idea?
02:19:07.000I don't think this is a problem with tapping and strikes, but I respect your viewpoint.
02:19:11.000I know what you're saying, and I think you probably have to have that sort of mentality to be an elite-level competitor in something like MMA, where it's not even an option in your head.
02:19:37.000Would not tap, let it get completely popped backwards, and then won the fight anyway.
02:19:45.000Before you go to Special Forces Selection, there's this phase for guys off the street called SOPSI, Special Operations Preparation Course.
02:19:52.000The only thing that is isn't a tritter.
02:19:54.000They take like 400 dudes, and they end up sending 80 of them to selection.
02:19:58.000The other 320 at some point either got broke or quit.
02:20:03.000I remember seeing the gong that you go up and hit and it's like so longingly looking at that thing being like that's the smart thing to do like you know you have blisters in your feet that you've injected stuff into so that you can't so like your skin like glues back to what portion it separated itself from you know like you've lost 20 pounds in the course of 30 days and you're looking at that gong and you're like a smart person would go and hit that gong And I watch guys go up and do it,
02:20:33.000and I was like, that's a smart person, probably.
02:20:55.000If you wanted to be smart about the amount of punishment that you endure, yeah.
02:21:01.000But if you wanted to build the highest level of character and durability and mental toughness possible, then it would be dumb to hit that gong.
02:22:43.000And then finally he gets his shit together, decides to come back as a light heavyweight and dominate Phil Davis at 205. And you're like, okay, this kid was obviously past the point of diminishing returns.
02:22:55.000He was diminishing his own ability to perform by cutting so much weight.
02:24:43.000And nowadays, yeah, pretty much everybody does, unless you're like a Frankie Edgar that literally weighs in at what he fights at.
02:24:49.000Maybe he's like putting some weights in his pocket.
02:24:52.000Yeah, Frankie fought at 155 and weighed 155. Leota Machida fought at 203 for the longest time and weighed in at 203 for a 205-pound weight class.
02:25:02.000But look how good he is at 185. Yeah, better.
02:25:14.000I can hang with the 205ers that have 86-inch reaches that are 6'4".
02:25:20.000Yeah, I might be as strong as they are, but I'm like, as Brian Stan calls me, like a squat little hobbit, angry hobbit, sometimes troll.
02:25:30.000Endearingly, he refers to me as these things, but he's right, and I just can't reach him.
02:25:34.000Like John Jones runs around the cage and jabs me to death, and then when I try to athletically explode in, then he violates me with something painful.
02:26:10.000I treat the annual cycle of fight camp, post-fight camp, pre-fight camp, fight camp, fight.
02:26:18.000If you look at an NFL player, they have that pre-season where they're trying to get their body strong and healthy so that when they go into the season, they have everything that they need to perform during that season.
02:26:32.000So my pre-fight camp right now, where I'm lifting a lot of weights, doing a high volume of work, where I'm working on...
02:26:40.000My sparring stuff now is a lot more drill oriented.
02:26:45.000I'm not burning tons of calories, grappling or boxing or sparring, kickboxing.
02:26:50.000I'm lifting a lot of weights, so my body's responsibly getting healthy, big and strong again.
02:26:56.000So when I move into that fight camp, I have this mold of clay that's totally healthy that can be shaped into what needs to be shaped to be executed for a particular fight.
02:27:07.000So when you think about like 220 and a guy like Rumble Johnson who used to weigh somewhere around that even heavier and get down to 170. It's crazy talk.
02:27:14.000If you were going to get down to 170 if Robbie Lawler beat Johnny Hendricks...
02:29:14.000Yeah, I mean, if you look at a guy from, I'll go all the way down from like 155 to 205. You know, you have 55, 70, 85. You have four weight classes from 155 to 205. That's crazy.
02:29:30.000And I think that, you know, a lot of people say that boxing is watered down by all the weight classes.
02:29:34.000I think it's watered down by all the titles, but I don't think there's anything wrong with having a welterweight class at 147 and then a junior middleweight at 154 and then a middleweight at 160. The six pounds between 154 and 160 is fucking significant.
02:30:35.000That's what's really crazy, is that it's sanctioned by athletic commissions, and you really don't have that much influence over athletic commissions.
02:36:41.000Right now, millions of people are going to listen to this.
02:36:43.000If I jump out of an airplane, you know, into the water, you know, into the ocean with a whole bunch of sharks and go swim with them, like, people are going to tune into that.
02:38:09.000But the problem you're going to have with doing a television show is producers.
02:38:13.000Because they're going to look at you and they're going to try to put you in a mold and they're going to try to get you to do a bunch of fake shit.
02:38:22.000I had a problem with fake shit on my sci-fi show.
02:38:24.000They faked a bunch of shit and I didn't find out about it until it was aired.
02:38:27.000And I came on the podcast and I apologized and I didn't know.
02:38:32.000It was a huge fucking problem, and that was on a show called Joe Rogan Questions Everything.
02:38:37.000I'm trying to find the truth about these things, and their instinct is still to fake shit, and to put fake shit in that you don't even know about.
02:41:25.000If you don't enjoy and have fun in life and be able to laugh at yourself and put on a tutu and dance around like a beautiful fairy, butterfly, swan, both the black and white version, and be able to understand...
02:41:43.000The transition, the metamorphosis from the black to white swan, it's a scary process.
02:42:55.000So like POWs, MIA, Vietnam Vets, all of them, that song, the song was written by the lead singer about his father who disenchanted, they grew apart, and he kind of resented him for being in the war, and then he kind of had this revelation that he had to,
02:43:34.000You could hit me with a freight train, and I wouldn't care.
02:43:37.000I'd grab the portions of my body and try to keep fighting.
02:43:40.000It's a great fucking song for you, man.
02:43:41.000There's certain songs that just sort of...
02:43:44.000You hear that song, and you know that guy's fighting.
02:43:47.000There's Country Boy Can't Survive, when Matt Hughes fights.
02:43:51.000You know, there's just no getting around it.
02:43:53.000Stranglehold, when Benavidez fights, Joseph Benavidez fights, he comes out to Ted Nugent, Stranglehold, which is a great fucking song for him.
02:44:00.000You know, it's just there's certain songs that just personify a fighter.
02:44:05.000You know, that's a good one for you, man.
02:44:40.000So sometimes they have a list of what you're allowed to do.
02:44:44.000You know, there are some fight promotions where like, alright, you know, submit your song that you want to walk out to two weeks before and we'll see if it's approved or if we can get approval.
02:44:55.000You know, it's, I don't know, I have no idea how it works, but thank God I can walk out to Rooster because I'd be really sad if I couldn't.
02:45:04.000I'm glad that you have an exit strategy because there are a lot of fighters that don't and the saddest thing to me is a guy who looks at fighting as everything.
02:45:16.000Like that is all they're capable of, that is all they're ever going to be capable of.
02:45:19.000They don't know what to do next and they get out of it and they have this thing.
02:46:40.000You gotta have something that you have as much passion for as you do this.
02:46:45.000Maybe that's one area where you have an advantage and you've been in so many life-or-death struggles, firefights, being deployed overseas, seeing life and death, and your perspective is far broader than a person who's just been an athlete.
02:47:00.000Just been an athlete that has just sought glory and believes that that is the end-all be-all.
02:48:01.000You could live off 10 for a long fucking time, man.
02:48:04.000Just take 10. Blow 220. Yeah, it is crazy when you see those stories, but it's almost like the hubris that allows you to be a combat athlete in a lot of ways.
02:48:57.000Next fight, you know, who Joe Silva gives me is, you know, if it's the Vito Belfort, it's the Jock Rays, you know, that puts me right there.
02:49:51.000What am I giving up for that in exchange for?
02:49:54.000Do you look at the window that you have?
02:49:56.000I mean, we've established that you think you have a five-year window.
02:49:59.000I know you don't want to give up the number, but you already did.
02:50:02.000Do you look at that and say, well, if I do get to a title shot at 185, how much time would I have left to work myself up to a title shot at 170, or would I regroup and try again at 185 if I wasn't successful the first attempt?
02:50:16.000Do you have those thoughts in your head, or do you just think about next fight?
02:50:19.000No, I definitely have those thoughts in my head.
02:51:09.000I mean, it got interesting, and I was very happy that you guys sort of sorted it out inside the Octagon, and you both gave each other a lot of respect, but god damn, there was a lot going back and forth between you two.
02:51:20.000Yeah, we're never going to be friends, you know, but when you hit...
02:51:56.000He's also, like, you gotta give it up for him for mental toughness.
02:52:00.000Just not even considering retiring, the fact that he's fucked his eye up, had two eye surgeries, not even, it's just, it's just a thing, I'm gonna pull aside, get back in the gym, you know, work on me striking, you know.
02:53:53.000You know, like, leading up to my 25-minute fight with Michael Bisping, like, my sparring partners were, like, Bob McDaniel and Carlos Condit when they were peaking for their fights.
02:54:00.000And then they moved on, and then, you know, I had Jon Jones, myself, like, this room full of dudes that are...
02:54:10.000And if we're sparring two times a week for six, seven, eight weeks, you know, like leading up to that fight, you know, and like we're hitting each other just as hard there as we are in the cage, you know, because you have to...
02:54:26.000Push yourself as far as you can in training so that the best element of who you and what you are occurs in the cage.
02:54:32.000How do you feel about that as far as sparring hard?
02:54:36.000Do you think that you have to spar as hard as you fight?
02:54:53.000I... And on very rare occasions do I really go all out.
02:55:00.000But I think there are times in a fight camp where both your coaches need to see you and you need to see yourself when you're trying to do it all.
02:55:12.000When you're broken, when you're hurt, when you're tired.
02:55:16.000And sometimes the only way to get there is to push yourself to the limit.
02:55:23.000And so you have to feel what it's like to be inside that position, to be inside that Position where you're just duking it out at a hundred percent.
02:57:31.000Yeah, Tim Kennedy MMA. Facebook's Tim Kennedy MMA. Instagram's Tim Kennedy MMA. It's Tim Kennedy MMA. Tim Kennedy MMA, ladies and gentlemen.
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