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00:07:59.000I've been a fan of your work for a long time, man, so it's great to have you on.
00:08:02.000I really enjoy your show, I enjoy what you're doing, and I enjoy that there's this outlet now where you don't have to go through a million different steps and get approved by producers.
00:08:12.000You just create your own show, it's relevant, it's interesting, it's engaging, people tune in, and then all of a sudden, boom, look at that, you're the number one news show on the internet.
00:09:44.000And so I went to a learning annex course in New York, and this lady just took our money and said, hey, schmucks, go to your local public access.
00:09:52.000You can start any show you like, right?
00:10:34.000I got started there, then barged my way into local radio, WRKO in Boston, WWRC in Washington, just weekends, fill in, whatever they'd give me.
00:10:44.000I drive nine hours to Boston to do a weekend show, and then I went to Miami and got on TV, same thing, barged my way in, started in sales, worked my way up, somehow got on air, somehow became the supervising producer of their flagship show,
00:11:06.000And then I came out to LA and I started writing because my main job at the TV station had become head writer for the show.
00:11:16.000And so then I wrote on three different pilots here in LA. And I remember when the straw that broke the camel's back on that was I was writing for Daisy Fuentes.
00:11:27.000And they're like, okay, now you need to use Daisy's voice.
00:11:31.000And I was like, I don't know what Daisy's fucking voice is.
00:11:49.000And so I called up my old friends, one of them who was a program director at WRKO in Boston, who'd then gone to XM. He's like, Cenk, dude, you gotta go to Sirius right now.
00:12:27.000And then when they eventually hired a program director for talks, because we were their first talk show, they didn't even have a program director for that.
00:12:33.000Then they hired one, and they're like, oh, right, right, these guys are on the air.
00:12:52.000No, we were on there for a million years, but honestly, the online video got so much bigger than radio that it became not worth it.
00:13:02.000Even for the minor hassle of doing formatting, doing three hours, we're like, it's not worth it, so we just let it go.
00:13:10.000Do you guys have a podcast version of it or an audible download version of it?
00:13:15.000Yeah, so on iTunes, we got a free audio podcast and a free video podcast that's like two out of the six segments we do every day so people can sample it.
00:15:00.000So if I was on all those shows, my head would explode.
00:15:03.000My head's about to explode as it is, running the network and being on the show, and then I... For three years, I did TV at the same time, which was just so crazy.
00:15:22.000We got 30 people that are full-time, but then if you add all the hosts that are not full-time to it, then you're talking probably 50, 60 people.
00:15:31.000We literally started in our living room.
00:15:34.000When Jesus, who's still with us 12 years later, walked in as an intern, he was like, okay, there's a 12% chance I'm getting murdered today.
00:15:41.000This is this guy's living room, and it's kind of scary looking.
00:18:17.000Yeah, and when the audience delivered and it was over $400,000, that was another moment like, just like you said, it wasn't the money as much, and the money was great, but it was more like, man, they really...
00:19:10.000What you're doing is, this is, my name is Cenk Uygur, this is my opinion, boom, I'm gonna put it out there and I don't give a fuck what you think.
00:19:19.000And that is what everybody has always wanted because what you're getting when you listen to the nightly news, today on Wall Street, we learned you're getting a fake voice with a guy who's reading off a teleprompter with a gang of people that their objective is just about making money and about producing this program,
00:21:04.000Just like you said, it's about a certain period of time in the history of media that, in essence, what they've done is the mainstream media has handed us, like, 80% of the market just by their abject failure.
00:23:21.000We also want to say fuck you to politicians that talk like that, too.
00:23:25.000Do you think there's going to be a time where we get a guy who talks in a political speech like that, like you?
00:23:30.000Like a guy who just, who comes along and says, you know what, ladies and gentlemen, the United States that we know today, this great nation, We're tired of that.
00:23:58.000You could talk with a real engaging sense of the present and still be you.
00:24:06.000You don't have to be this fucking strip club DJ. You know, alright, on the main stage!
00:24:12.000That same voice is repeated throughout strip clubs all across America.
00:24:16.000I did this recent thing where I was calling in a bunch of radio stations because of a Comedy Central special that I had that was coming out And when I'm calling in to talk to them, there was three or four stations where I'm like, okay, this fucking guy,
00:24:31.000I'm talking to the exact guy, he's just using a different voice, and now he's in Memphis, you know, and now he's in Dallas, and now he's in Ohio.
00:26:36.000You sort of dropped that and became more of yourself.
00:26:38.000But I think, in a great sense, politicians don't have that luxury of practice.
00:26:44.000So they try to sort of connect with what they think is the most effective voice possible, and that voice is the voice that sort of, in their head, represents professionalism.
00:27:17.000And he said, look, Cenk, part of the reason we give him the talking points and try to keep them on message and make them sound robotic is because you'd be surprised how stupid they are.
00:27:27.000And he's like, and if we just let them talk, they will make terrible mistakes, and they will lose.
00:27:32.000One of my favorite moments in all politics is the Rick Perry moment where he forgot what he was talking about.
00:27:45.000He literally said in that debate, like, he forgot, paused, paused, like, the most wonderful, awkward five seconds in any debate, and then, like, he said, oops.
00:28:57.000Well, folks who don't know, when you're in a large audience like that and you're yelling into a microphone, you don't usually have a monitor or anything in your ear.
00:30:10.000Then they'll go to another room with other people and say the exact opposite, and they'll just keep going room to room saying things that don't match up.
00:30:18.000But dude, like, hello, catch up to 2014, everything's on tape, and then you play the two tapes next to each other, and they look like assholes.
00:30:28.000And that's because they're used to playing to just whoever's in the room.
00:30:31.000Yeah, they're used to playing to just whoever's in the room, and they're not used to the repercussions of the truth getting out there.
00:30:44.000A lot of people, they look at the future and they say, well, we're not going to have any privacy anymore.
00:30:50.000Yeah, but ultimately I think that the truth, it's more beneficial that people have complete total transparency across the board than it is for people to engage in the same sort of corrupt activities that have turned this nation into this,
00:31:05.000it's basically a bought and sold system.
00:31:08.000And there's no other way to get past that bought and sold system than ultimate complete total transparency.
00:31:14.000And when you have that ultimate, complete, total transparency, which we're starting to see manifest itself in politics and in social media, this is kind of across the board.
00:31:23.000It's a slow, steady progression to no secrets.
00:31:26.000And I'm sorry, but that's just the way of the world.
00:31:32.000You could scream at the top of your lungs, I'm moving to the woods.
00:31:35.000I'm going to live off of fucking logs and I'm going to have my own well water.
00:31:39.000You can do that, but everybody in the cities, everybody in the congested centers, population centers, they're not going to have secrets anymore.
00:31:47.000Just like if someone was in China, you used to not be able to call them on the phone.
00:31:51.000Well, you can now, because that's what happened.
00:31:54.000And in the future, there's not going to be any secrets, man.
00:31:57.000And so if you're running for politics, or if you're running for a political office, and you want to say shit like 47% of people aren't going to vote for me anyway, so fuck them.
00:32:07.000People are going to know that that's your real attitude.
00:32:08.000You're not going to be able to hide your attitude.
00:32:10.000I think that's great because I don't believe that there's bad people out there, that it's only bad people that run for office, it's only bad people that can get into office, it's only bad people that run companies.
00:32:20.000I think you allow bad people to run companies, bad people to run corporations because of the fact We're good to go.
00:34:17.000People that work in media, when they're covering it, like when we say, okay, we got this many views, et cetera, they're Google verified, go check with Google.
00:34:25.000They're like, I don't know, I can't understand internet numbers.
00:34:29.000Well, then maybe you shouldn't do that job.
00:34:31.000You can't understand the internet numbers?
00:34:32.000The internet numbers are the only numbers that are real.
00:34:57.000Not only that, the reality of the difference between the Nielsen ratings and the ratings that they've pulled from digital boxes, from DVRs, it's a very different number.
00:35:09.000And there's a lot of shows that would benefit from them releasing the numbers that are on DVRs, the numbers that are on satellite boxes and cable boxes.
00:35:18.000But they can't really do that because they can't acknowledge, first of all, the fact that they keep track of what everybody's watching all the time.
00:35:25.000And then also, the Nielsen system is like an established system that people have been benefiting from for a long time.
00:35:33.000And to throw that out and shake it up would...
00:35:36.000Millions of dollars would change hands.
00:35:38.000See, that's a huge advantage for us, though, because we can tell them exactly what they're doing wrong, and they can say, hey, Joe, Cenk, you're right, but they can't turn the ship around because they already make too much money doing what they do.
00:35:51.000And yes, they're killing off their audience.
00:35:54.000Yes, eventually they'll hit that iceberg and sink so quick, right?
00:35:57.000But they can't stop doing what they're doing because their ship is too damn big, and they can't turn it around.
00:36:50.000Yeah, I mean, of course, 99% of the population doesn't know how they get the radio ratings, and they send out these books, and you have to fill it out for three months.
00:36:58.000What were you listening in 15-minute increments?
00:37:01.000And everybody fills it out at the very end when they have to turn it in.
00:37:04.000So they're like, okay, a month and a half ago at 2.15 p.m., I don't know.
00:38:27.000So the difference per market between what Rush claimed to be getting and then what he got in the people meters, that level of detail, I don't know.
00:38:35.000I do know that WABC in New York, which is the main conservative talk station, is thinking of changing format.
00:39:58.000Whereas, you know, if it's Rush Limbo, Excellence in Broadcasting, or Sean Hannity, I mean, there's a whole fucking machine behind these things.
00:40:19.000We're right wing and we're going to stick with the American flag behind me and God bless our troops and cut to commercial.
00:40:26.000And this sort of agreement to not delve into the nuances of very difficult topics and to take a hard stance towards the right, I think that's one of the most damaging things about the whole paradigm of the right and the left.
00:40:41.000Is this hardline, you know, almost religious acceptance of one side or the other.
00:40:47.000And it was really personified with Hannity, a bunch of things, but recently by this Bundy Ranch incident.
00:40:52.000This fucking crazy asshole in Nevada that these shitheads got behind.
00:40:59.000He's crazy, and he says a bunch of nutty, racist shit, like black people were better off when they were slaves on the plantation, because now I go to Vegas, and I see them running around, and they're not going to school, and they're getting each other pregnant.
00:41:36.000But they saw him, they saw this Bundy character as sort of this poster guy for America that's fed up with the intrusion of the federal government into our lives and the socialist Obama network.
00:42:30.000Then they're like, oh, if the government comes here to collect the taxes, fees, whatever, all the black folks in Compton are going to grab their guns, and then they're going to point them at the federal government and make them back down.
00:42:41.000What do you think Hannity's reaction to that would have been?
00:42:44.000Like, oh, new black potter party destroyed the country in Obama years!
00:43:03.000And those people that did show up, you know, the real problem with any of those subjects is that people have this sort of knee-jerk side that they take, this knee-jerk reaction they take.
00:43:14.000You see a bunch of cops with dogs, and they're telling this rancher.
00:43:25.000This is a big, fucking, long, complicated tale.
00:43:29.000And you can't describe it in five minutes, and you can't break it down to a guy like Sean Hannity that has a billion other fucking things on his mind.
00:43:45.000It's this really complex issue that they just shuffle in, and it kind of highlights why that system sucks.
00:43:54.000I mean, it's one of the best stories, one of the best recent stories to highlight why this right-left paradigm on television really sucks.
00:44:03.000So one of my big surprises when I got into the talk show world was how stupid Sean Hannity is.
00:44:09.000And honestly, because when I went in, I thought, okay, look, if I make it on TV and I might have to debate somebody like Sean Hannity, I've got to really come correct, right?
00:44:18.000I've got to make sure that I've got all my information, etc.
00:44:22.000And then as I heard him throughout the years, I'd be like, Wait, wait.
00:44:26.000Those two thoughts were not connected.
00:47:53.000This is Team Democrat, and you stay on this team.
00:47:56.000So, I mean, I don't know if you ever heard the story, but, like, the reason I left MSNBC is I got a speech from the head of the network, Phil Griffin, who said, hey, look, man, I'd love to be an outsider.
00:48:07.000Outsiders wear leather jackets, they ride motorcycles, they're super cool, but...
00:48:45.000But as I talked to, I don't want to name the person, but I talked to another anchor that was there, that we had lunch, and that person was like...
00:52:14.000It's easy to say they don't know me, haha, I'm a tough guy, yada yada.
00:52:17.000But the reality is what they underestimated was the size of our audience.
00:52:22.000I knew that I could go online, which I never left.
00:52:25.000I did the online show while I was at MSMC. People were like, well, you already got on TV. What are you still bothering with the online thing?
00:53:22.000You're either going to get paid really well, you're going to be a star, they treat you so well when you're there, car rides everywhere, first class everywhere, etc.
00:53:46.000The word goes out in the street, he doesn't play ball.
00:53:49.000The Oberman thing was an interesting thing, because I don't know Keith Oberman.
00:53:53.000I've heard he's difficult in a lot of ways, but it's fascinating to see him go from being this fireball, anti-government crusader, this sort of like, I mean, he kind of, in a classic sense, sort of an Edward R. Murrow character,
00:54:10.000and then now he's talking about baseball.
00:55:39.000Of course we want him to do the special comments, sure!
00:55:42.000And they realized that there was a racket to be had in Team Democrat, right?
00:55:46.000But at least Obermann, even the score, it was like, okay, now you have MSNBC doing democratic talking points, and I'm not taking anything away from Obermann.
00:55:55.000I think he's principled on his politics.
00:56:23.000Right, that's why he's, and he loves sports, that's genuine, right?
00:56:27.000So he's just doing sports, and he's, look, a great example, it was Ashley Banfield, Back when MSNBC was conservative, before the Obermann special comments and stuff around the Iraq War, exactly as the Iraq War was happening, she did this speech at a college in Kansas and said,
00:58:12.000The last thing you want is someone telling you what you can and can't say and taking the bad words out of your mouth on the fucking internet?
00:59:17.000So, like, if you're on TV, Rachel Maddow gave me a great speech before I ever got on TV, warning me about TV. Really?
00:59:23.000Because we used to work together at Air America, and then she was really helpful and stuff at MSNBC. And she's like, just, it'll get into your head.
00:59:34.000Because you take one too many limo rides, you'll have one too many people telling you how great you are, And then you lose track of what reality is.
00:59:43.000And so a guy like Obermann, who's been on TV for so long and so successful for so long, he spins into an orbit where he thinks he can't do anything wrong.
00:59:52.000And the ego becomes so gigantic that it can't be punctured.
00:59:56.000So if he were to go online, it would get punctured, right?
01:00:01.000There's a lot of compliments online, but there's a lot of criticism, right?
01:00:06.000And an ego that large cannot handle that.
01:00:09.000I think that I find great benefit in that criticism.
01:00:12.000I mean, I know that some of it's completely unfounded, and some of it is just 100% douchebags that are just assholes, and you go to their Twitter page, and you'll see just them just shitting on one person after another, just random people that they don't know, celebrities, commenters, people that have blogs,
01:00:30.000whatever, and just hate, hate, hate, hate, hate.
01:00:43.000And the Obermans or the people that don't want to engage in that, your ego's going to take a beating, but your fucking ego should take a beating.
01:00:52.000Your ego's a dangerous thing, and if it grows too much, it can create a canopy that doesn't let all the other things grow underneath it.
01:02:07.000She's a woman who used to be a man who decided to get a sex change and then fight in women's MMA. And me, as a martial arts expert, I was like, I do not agree with that at all.
01:02:19.000Because there's certain undeniable advantages of the human frame, of the male frame, when it comes to combat sports.
01:02:26.000When it comes to being a woman or being transgender, I'm 100% in support of it.
01:02:30.000You should be able to do whatever you want, man.
01:02:31.000If you want to marry your desk, I'm for it.
01:02:34.000If you want to live with cats in the woods, I don't give a fuck.
01:03:03.000I mean, I will call her a woman, but when science finds her body a thousand years from now, they're going to go, oh, that was a man.
01:03:10.000When it comes to combat sports, when it comes to social interaction, when it comes to culture, when it comes to how you treat people, I'm fully in support of transgenders.
01:03:21.000As a person who's a professional mixed martial arts commentator and who's lived my entire life training in martial arts, I'm very aware of the distinct advantages of the male frame.
01:03:32.000There's a reason why we don't let men fight women.
01:03:36.000She didn't disclose the fact that she used to be a man.
01:03:39.000Anyway, real sports takes five seconds of that and throws it out there.
01:03:43.000That's the difference between a podcast and a television show.
01:03:46.000In a television show, that five seconds becomes a three-hour discussion where you go over all the aspects of The emotional, the damage that you must get being a child wanting to be a woman and being a man and all the different realities of what makes you a person and whether it's learned experience or whether it's genetics or all these subtle variations and trying to put yourself into that mindset.
01:04:12.000There's so much to be said on so many different subjects, but when you're on a fucking television show, you don't get a chance.
01:04:18.000When you're doing one of those seven-minute things on Red Eye on Fox, And it's like, what's your take on global warming?
01:04:48.000When we're talking about this whole right-left paradigm and this whole team Democrat thing that you faced when you were on MSNBC or the team Republican that Sean Hannity is a part of, that sort of embodies the whole problem with television that really doesn't exist in the same form on the internet.
01:05:08.000You're going to have people that agree and disagree on the internet, but In a format like this, you get to really cover a subject and really sort of let down your guard and explore all the variables that TV doesn't let you do.
01:05:23.000Look, I miss our radio show so much because me, Ben, and Jill Pike at the time, we'd come in and we'd do a three-hour show and we'd just have the time of our lives.
01:07:10.000Like they cake it on you and then you feel like one of these like- Shepard Smith- Yeah, if you feel like you're in the Capitol, you know, in Hunger Games, like, you know, they put on this makeup and you go out there and you entertain the masses, whatever.
01:10:52.000Of course we need conservation, but then they'll be like, okay, well, that rhino is an older rhino, so he will attack the younger rhinos, so it's actually better to kill him so he doesn't do that.
01:11:47.000And so since we've taken over everything, we've got all these little things in artificial cages.
01:11:52.000It might be a small cage in a zoo, or it might be a large cage in one of those preserves in Africa.
01:11:57.000But in essence, we've killed what, quote-unquote, naturally happened.
01:12:00.000Well, we've become the stewards of nature itself.
01:12:04.000And we've decided that, I mean, at this point that I've been talking about a lot lately about zoos, about how terrible it is for the genetics of all these animals, for them to be isolated.
01:12:14.000The idea is that you're preserving these animals, you can come see in them.
01:12:21.000Pandas are supposed to breed, if they can, if they don't get eaten by tigers.
01:12:24.000Because there's supposed to be tigers around the pandas, or whatever the fuck their natural predator is.
01:12:28.000And there's supposed to be jaguars around the monkeys, and there's supposed to be lions around the giraffes.
01:12:34.000I mean, that's just what happens in nature.
01:12:36.000And when we have them all segregated in these apartments, and we slide food in a tray underneath the door, like, what the fuck are we doing here?
01:14:29.000It's so complex and so outside of the norm for every other multi-celled species on the planet that we don't like to think of it as natural.
01:18:42.000We call it the shrimp parade sometimes.
01:18:44.000Sometimes it's called old men in snow because that's what Chris used to think about to keep himself from orgasming.
01:18:50.000He used to think about old Eastern block men walking painfully in the snow, and that would keep him from having an orgasm while he was having sex.
01:18:58.000Okay, I'm now going to tell you something I've never told anybody and that I shouldn't tell you.
01:19:01.000But I think that's partly the point of the Joe Rogan podcast.
01:19:04.000Okay, so you've got to come up with something, right?
01:20:30.000Yeah, it's a very fascinating topic because with Chris Ryan's book, Sex at Dawn, he goes into what sort of explores What started out as these tribes of small people,
01:20:46.000you know, or small groups of 50, 150 people that are all living together and, you know, exchanging sexual partners, it was very commonplace.
01:20:54.000And as agriculture gets established and as these populations grow larger and larger, it becomes weirder and weirder and then it stops.
01:21:01.000And then we start realizing that our sperm creates that kid and that kid's my kid and I don't want anybody else near my wife who made my kid.
01:21:08.000And then male paternity line gets established and then You know, the dominance of the breed and real weird stuff with human beings when it comes to sexuality and monogamy.
01:21:32.000We're animals and we have a certain programming, you know.
01:21:35.000Our DNA is like we're a computer with a program, but we're also like...
01:21:40.000Animals like we want to fuck, we want to sometimes rip somebody's head off, and we have all these urges and we have these passions, but yet we're conscious of it all.
01:21:50.000So we can step back and see the animal that we are and the robot that we are.
01:21:58.000Yeah, it is mind-bending because it's unique to the actual life on this planet.
01:22:05.000There's only one At all the animals on the planet, there might be other animals that are conscious, like dolphins and orcas, they might communicate with each other, they might have family groups and dialects and all that, but they don't alter their environment the way we do.
01:22:20.000So we're conscious, we're aware, we communicate, we alter our environment, and we keep records.
01:22:25.000You know, I don't know how much dolphins know about their great-great-great-grandfathers.
01:22:32.000And we'll quote Pythagoras, or we'll talk about Homer, and we'll discuss people that lived a thousand years ago as if we know exactly what they were like.
01:23:05.000The flip side of that is, then why does almost every celebrity, and finally we lost George Clooney, so I can now, I think, say every celebrity, still get married?
01:23:14.000Because if we were just polygamists, I think?
01:23:37.000And then you've got our competitive nature and our nature where we cooperate, right?
01:23:44.000And everybody makes the mistake of going on one side or another.
01:23:47.000Like, there'll be a group that thinks, no, people are competitive.
01:23:50.000They want to, you know, and you're crazy if you think that they're ever going to cooperate.
01:23:55.000And then there's the guys who are like, hey, no, people hold their hands together and sing kumbaya.
01:23:59.000And normally there'd be no war and all that stuff.
01:24:06.000No, we're sometimes incredibly competitive and want to rip each other's heads off, and sometimes we're incredibly cooperative, and we work together to create great things.
01:24:24.000And I think that that conflict is sort of what fuels thinking.
01:24:30.000I think that's the yin and yang of life.
01:24:34.000You almost need conflict to sort of motivate you to work things out, motivate you to improve, motivate you to evolve and to change and to grow and to take into consideration all these different facets of life itself.
01:24:49.000And I think that we all want everything to be this perfect goal.
01:24:53.000You know, golden age of, you know, love and sharing and compassion.
01:24:58.000But in order to really truly appreciate that, you kind of have to have some shit around too to compare it to.
01:25:05.000It's almost like people that grow up rich, they'll never understand how beautiful it is to have enough money to not worry about money.
01:26:45.000I remember when I was a struggling talk show host on the radio, and I remember looking at a Snapple for like five straight minutes, but I mean like literally five minutes, and it was a dollar, and I'm like, I could just have water with my breakfast.
01:27:00.000I don't need that Snapple because God, I really want that Snapple.
01:27:31.000It's easy to say don't worry about money when you have $300 million, right?
01:27:35.000It's harder for a person who's trying to pay their rent and figuring out where they're going to get food for their kids and stuff like that.
01:29:03.000I think that especially if you grow up rich with ignorant parents and parents that don't sort of explain to you in great detail how fortunate you are to be in a situation and the importance of I'm appreciating the struggle but I have this weird relationship with money and it's gotten weirder and weirder over the last few years where it's gonna sound really crazy and it sounds crazy even to me but I objectively look at humans and I look at what
01:29:33.000we're doing and I look at this sort of system that we set up and we think it's just this is the way people operate you exchange money for goods and this is our society is based on money and it's all about trying to earn money But I look at it and I go, well, that's just a creation.
01:29:51.000Well, what else is going on is there's this slow but inevitable sort of dissolving of the boundaries between human beings and information.
01:30:03.000And whether that information is the secrets about the NSA or that information is, you know, things that are on the internet, emails, photographs...
01:30:14.000There's the the trend is To have ultimate access to all information for everyone.
01:30:24.000And I think that we're going to come to a bottleneck.
01:30:26.000And the bottleneck is going to be that what is money exactly?
01:30:30.000Well, at this point in time, it's just ones and zeros.
01:30:34.000Money now is broken down to we don't have a gold standard anymore.
01:30:38.000Our money is based entirely on information.
01:30:40.000It's information in a database somewhere.
01:30:42.000Well, there's going to be a point in time where we have to decide as a civilization That the only way to continue to move forward with our innovation, to continue to move forward with technology, we're going to have to dissolve the boundary between human beings and the information that is money.
01:30:59.000Money is not going to be worth anything anymore.
01:31:01.000We're going to have to come up with some new way in order to transfer wealth or to determine wealth or to determine reward for effort or for whatever you're doing.
01:31:14.000Because if If we're just basing it on what we're basing it on now, it's inevitable that it comes to this point where you're not going to be able to protect your money.
01:31:24.000You're not going to be able to store it.
01:32:39.000That's like one of those old school-y photographs where they have to throw the cape over and everybody stands still for a minute and poof!
01:32:44.000They press that button and the thing flashes and everybody has to stand still and then you get this weird black and white image which was magic in 1850 or whenever the fuck the camera was invented.
01:32:55.000I think that that's this step that you've gotten to now where I have thousands of photos on my phone.
01:33:06.000I can press a button, it goes grrrr, and it'll take a series of pictures in a row.
01:33:11.000That's madness in comparison to that big stupid cape.
01:33:15.000Well, I think that the access to information that we enjoy today, by being able to Google search something, by being able to go to your phone and find the information, It's going to get closer than that.
01:33:27.000It's going to be something where it's a chip that you put in your body and it interfaces with your mind.
01:33:33.000There's going to be something, whether it's nanotechnology, whatever it is, they're going to continue to innovate, they're going to continue to expand on technology, and the trend is that there is no boundary at one point, at this zero point, there's going to be no boundary between human beings and information.
01:33:54.000It's information on a database somewhere.
01:33:56.000There's going to be a bottleneck where we have to decide how we manage that database, how we manage the access to that information.
01:34:04.000Because if the ultimate trend of this technology is to erode all these boundaries and to have us all communicating in sync, You're not going to be able to have anything restricted.
01:34:17.000You're not going to have anything that is outside of the access to everyone.
01:35:37.000So it would be really interesting to see how that paradigm would be in your transcendental world.
01:35:46.000And there's this great, fascinating circle there because...
01:35:52.000Everybody being one is something that I largely believe in as well.
01:35:57.000And it's what almost everybody that thinks it through once they get past religion gets to.
01:36:04.000So whether it's the Taoist that you're referring to in Eastern philosophy, it's the transcendentalist here in the US, the Ralph Waldo Emerson's, Henry David Thoreau's.
01:36:47.000And so the difference between the air and my hand is not nearly as distinct as we think it is.
01:36:53.000But what would be interesting is if the oldest...
01:36:56.000You know, philosophy we have, the Daoist philosophy of everyone being one and united at some point, met with the future where everything is united in its zeros and ones, and zero is non-existence and one is existence, and we are all one,
01:37:34.000I think that everything works to ultimately become more and more complex.
01:37:42.000Our society becomes more and more complex.
01:37:44.000Our technology becomes more and more complex.
01:37:46.000Our language, our understanding of each other becomes more and more complex.
01:37:50.000And when I look at what human beings used to be and what we are now, and then I just take myself out of the situation that I've become so accustomed to, you know, modern life in 2014 with, you know, the language being noises that come out of your mouth and typing on a keyboard.
01:38:21.000And our idea that we have to exchange money in the way that we do now in order to stay alive, that's not true because there was times and there's cultures right now where they don't have money.
01:39:26.000Have you ever had Popeye's fried chicken?
01:39:29.000And so, look, in small communities that can work, and of course that's the essence of money is barter, trade.
01:39:35.000I do this, I do a talk show, and I get paid a certain amount of money for that, and then I exchange it for burgers and rent and all that stuff, right?
01:39:44.000So I think money is a good tool, as long as you realize what it is.
01:39:48.000It just makes things more efficient in a larger society.
01:39:52.000So I don't want to go back to living like Eskimos.
01:39:54.000Nor do I. But I think when I'm looking at the complexity, I view these people that are living in this sort of a barter situation as a step along the way.
01:40:05.000And money simplified the entire process of exchanging goods and it simplified everything.
01:40:10.000Well, let's just agree upon coins that equal this and we'll have a bank of these things.
01:40:16.000But then somewhere along the line, that bank became a fucking hard drive somewhere.
01:40:21.000And that gold is like, where's Fort Knox?
01:41:17.000So, okay, on that note, I've talked to, like, I don't know, countless financial experts on the show, because Whether it was part of the TV show or the online show, I mean, over the course of the last 12 years that I've been doing The Young Turks, I've talked to guys who've written books about the Fed,
01:41:34.000guys who are in the Fed, just everybody.
01:41:36.000First of all, let me just state, no one knows what the Fed is.
01:41:41.000Like, you get me the top financial expert on the Fed, I will break him down in a matter of maximum six questions, okay, to the point where he will say, oh...
01:41:52.000Yeah, no, I don't really know how that works.
01:44:35.000If you're a public corporation and you're an executive of that public corporation, you don't even care what happens to that corporation.
01:44:43.000All you care about is your short-term benefit as long as you're an executive in that corporation.
01:44:48.000So you will do whatever it takes to make short-term money, including, especially if you're at a bank, a public bank, Take as much risk as humanly possible, because more risk equals more short-term reward.
01:45:05.000You will eventually take so much risk that the bank will collapse.
01:45:10.000It happened in 2008, and they were barely able to piece it back together.
01:45:14.000The next time that they want to do maximum risk, maximum risk, if you're a gambler, I'm a gambler, if you gamble, you know you take maximum risk for long enough, It's a fact.
01:45:25.000It's a certainty that you will lose all of your money.
01:45:29.000Because there's a wrong line of code in there where the executives of the public corporations don't care about the public corporations.
01:45:37.000They don't care about the American democracy, the American people, etc.
01:45:41.000And then we let them buy our politicians.
01:45:46.000Yeah, the representative democracy that we exist in right now, too, I think it's a terribly flawed system, and I don't think you need to represent people that can speak for themselves.
01:45:56.000It seems to be that what we used to need and the way it used to be established was back when communication was incredibly difficult.
01:46:14.000And so to have this antiquated system representing us.
01:46:17.000And then the fact that this transparency that we're seeing evolve before our eyes change rapidly on a day-to-day basis.
01:46:25.000I mean, there's new revelations that come, like the NSA spying thing.
01:46:30.000Like, within a year, the whole world's attitude about email and transactions and doing things online completely changed.
01:46:40.000Within a year, everyone assumes that everything that you put online, whether it's an email you send to a friend, whether it's a text message that you receive from a lover, all those things are public.
01:46:51.000All those things, if not public now, very well may be public one day and at the very least are accessible by the government who may or may not use that to intimidate and or manipulate you.
01:47:04.000So we've changed the way we think and then ultimately intimidate and or manipulate them.
01:47:10.000Because just like technology, when technology first enters into the human arena, it becomes a tool of the wealthy and the privileged.
01:48:59.000I think that's a very important point.
01:49:01.000And that, you know, Anna Kasparian had that exact same point.
01:49:05.000We were on the podcast and we were sort of talking about transparency.
01:49:08.000We were saying that at a certain point in time, everybody's going to look at everybody else's bullshit and it's not going to matter anymore because it's going to go away.
01:49:16.000The same way, you know, during the Victorian era, they had fucking...
01:49:20.000They were putting dresses over the legs of tables because they were...
01:49:23.000Freaked out that people were going to be sexually aroused by table legs.
01:49:49.000If you see someone's ankle, well, obviously, you're going to want to fuck that ankle.
01:49:53.000I'm not sure how obvious that is, but if you cover everybody up, you know?
01:49:57.000Isn't that crazy that we live in a world, it's 2014, we're talking about technology and how it's going to change the world and full transparency, and we've got a significant percentage of the world walking around with curtains on their heads.
01:51:05.000So if you've got your old way of doing things and it ain't right, well, the first thing you want people to make sure they don't do is find out what is right.
01:51:26.000And I think ultimately that knowledge will transcend just simply being able to Google things and read things.
01:51:35.000And it'll be some sort of, and scientists have speculated about this, not just a knucklehead like me, but scientists have speculated that what we're going to deal with in the probably near future, within the next hundred years, is instant access to information directly through some sort of a neural interface.
01:52:08.000In a sense, I mean, there's a lot of people that they look at the utopian version of a modern technologically advanced society, like becoming, you know, this singularity is near type thing where we're going to reach some sort of a beautiful place because of technology.
01:52:30.000The way is not going to be necessarily through artificial intelligence, but through an artificial interface of intelligence, where we create something that allows us to instantly access each other.
01:52:40.000And we truly dive into this, like joining a fucking World of Warcraft server, but the World of Warcraft server, instead of running around playing a game, we're going to be thinking in each other's minds.
01:52:53.000Well, if that day comes, the first time that you go into other people's heads, there's going to be an initial period of time, five minutes, five days, five weeks, whatever it is, where you will run into darkness before you see the light.
01:53:18.000And then you're going to move on to the next mind, and you're going to think the same thing, and the next mind, and you're going to be amazed at the darkness of humanity, right?
01:53:26.000But then eventually you'll realize, oh, we all think that, but then we also think all these wonderful things, and then it's like, you don't necessarily mean bad by it, right?
01:53:35.000And then you'll get to the light of...
01:53:44.000Well, or it will just be the first steps to the next level that gets, like, the next...
01:53:58.000Generation of human beings that grows up with that technology.
01:54:01.000Like, I look at my kids now, and I look at the Internet, and I'm like, wow, what a weird world it is that these little children, they're growing up with no access or no knowledge of what it was like to exist in a world where there was no Internet.
01:54:15.000Well, I think that the people that first experience this mind-meld technology, where we all read each other's minds, To them, it would be this crazy alien concept, but they're going to have to somehow or another reconcile it with the biological existence that we were born into and grew up with, and then all of a sudden, boom,
01:54:31.000But the people that those people give birth to, they will grow up in a world where everyone reads everyone's mind from the jump, and that's when things will get really fucking weird, and that's when I think the money thing will become the bottleneck.
01:55:08.000They're injecting young blood into mice, and they're finding that it reverses the aging process.
01:55:14.000Yeah, so, look, all that's going to happen.
01:55:17.000I love when America debates like, is this ethical and moral to do X, Y, or Z? Like, whatever you're debating, China's already in the middle of doing it.
01:55:29.000The Chinese government took the tallest male basketball player and female basketball player and had them get married, and that's Yao Ming's parents.
01:57:44.000And so we're naturally inclined to believe that change isn't going to happen, that things are going to always be the way they are today, right?
02:00:18.000So one of the things that I loved, I think it was BBC, put together this time chart where they showed life expectancy over the last 200 years.
02:00:28.000And you just see it go, whew, take off, right?
02:02:11.000What if you're paralyzed, but they say, okay, you're paralyzed, but we can take your brain and we can put it in this artificial body and you can move around.
02:02:19.000You're like, fuck yeah, give me an artificial body.
02:02:21.000Well, you know, you won't be able to have sex anymore, but yeah, I understand, but I'll still be able to enjoy almost everything else that other people do.
02:02:29.000Well, they say, well, look, we've got a problem.
02:02:31.000Your brain is developing Alzheimer's, but here's the good news.
02:02:34.000We can take your brain and we can download all the contents of it into this artificial brain And you can essentially live forever in this artificial body.
02:02:54.000But two robots that are already on their way to doing your vision to some degree.
02:03:00.000I saw they were just demonstrating to Chuck Hagel like two weeks ago some defense department, the department within the Pentagon that creates everything, like the microwave, all that stuff, the internet.
02:03:12.000So that department, they've created the robots, and now you can control the robots from a distance.
02:03:18.000So the controller does this, the robot does this, right?
02:04:24.000So we are going to evolve into something that is different than what we have now, and that's going to trip us out because we don't like change.
02:04:39.000And I really truly believe that that scenario that I took, that I depicted about the guy with one arm and one leg, that's happy to have that artificial arm and artificial leg, that's going to happen with a body.
02:04:49.000It's going to happen with a whole body.
02:04:51.000They're going to have, they already developed an artificial skin in a test tube that they combined with spider web, spider silk, that's bulletproof.
02:05:00.000They've used artificial skin cells, or skin cells that they have somehow or another, through some scientific process that a moron like me will never be able to truly describe, but they've been able to at least, in theory, develop this bulletproof fucking skin.
02:05:15.000Who's not going to get bulletproof skin?
02:05:33.000His face is pulled back and it's shot up with Botox and fillers.
02:05:39.000Someone needs to tell him, just be an older man.
02:05:41.000It's way better than what you're doing.
02:05:43.000What you're doing, you're terrifying to look at.
02:05:46.000But we're going to be able to just replace your fucking skin.
02:05:49.000Forget about all this stretching this and pulling that and injecting into that.
02:05:53.000How about we just take all that stupid shit off and just like we can give you an artificial hand, we'll give you a whole fucking, a whole organ, a whole skin organ that can't get cancer and it's fucking bulletproof.
02:06:06.000Okay, so people think, oh well that's unethical, we're not going to do that.
02:06:22.000Okay, so when the Chinese start making super babies that are super strong, like we talked about, and they have the spider skin that's bulletproof, and then they start messing with the mind, and the kid's smarter than the average kid.
02:07:00.000The much more likely scenario will be that we will be, or I say we, the people that choose to go the route of innovation and to accept what technology is capable of, the ways that it's capable of advancing the mind,
02:07:15.000will treat everyone else the way we treat chimps.
02:07:18.000They're not going to let them dominate the Earth.
02:07:21.000They're going to confine them to zoos.
02:07:22.000They're going to keep them locked up in certain places where they don't interfere with the new evolved race and species of people.
02:07:29.000Yeah, I think one of the scientists said that they're worried about if aliens find our planet.
02:08:50.000Yeah, well, we're realizing that we're vicious, we're aware that we're vicious, but we've spent millions and millions of years developing in a world filled with lions and tigers and bears, oh my.
02:09:00.000I mean, that's the world that we live in, that's the reality of the world, and that's what our DNA has developed in.
02:09:05.000And then all of a sudden we reach this point, whether it's 100 years or 300 years ago, whatever it is, we've reached this point where we started being aware of how crazy it is, our dominance over the rest of the species on this planet, But it's a fairly recent thing.
02:09:18.000I mean, we talked about on the podcast many times, I have this thing about wolves, kind of obsessed with wolves, and also obsessed with this romanticized vision of wolves that most people have.
02:09:28.000And the reason why this Little Red Riding Hood, you know, the reason why I was the big bad wolf...
02:09:34.000Wolves used to fucking eat people on a regular basis and in Paris in the 1400s there was an instance where wolves had killed 40 people in Paris.
02:09:45.000So the people that lived in Paris had to band together to fight this pack of wolves that had invaded Paris.
02:09:53.000During World War I, the Russians and the Germans made a truce so that they could kill wolves because they were in Russia and when Germany and the German troops and the Russian troops would go on patrol, they would get killed by wolves.
02:10:35.000This is the real world that we live in.
02:10:37.000This is not a world where the wolves rescue the baby and bring it back to the doorstep and wink at the family and then run off into the woods to be with nature and chirp around with butterflies and chipmunks.
02:10:47.000No, it's a fucking vicious, horrible world of predators and prey.
02:10:51.000And that's the world that we developed in.
02:10:53.000And so we still have these cruel instincts because of that.
02:11:51.000But when people ask me, they're like, dude, PACs are named like fluffy things, like a better tomorrow tomorrow, stuff like that, Americans for America, you know that whole thing.
02:12:14.000We're not trying to get money from rich people.
02:12:16.000We're trying to form a pack of a group that works together and that is super aggressive and that is not going to stop until we get this amendment.
02:12:26.000And if you stand in our way, we are going to chew you up and we're going to drink your femur.
02:12:41.000Well, much like the internet has given people the ability to access information in a way that was never possible before, I think that the internet is also going to give people the ability to express influence in a way that's never been available before.
02:12:57.000And a group of 300 million people, when you say the 1% that they have more money than X amount of people put together, and you take the wealthy 1% in this country and you combine their wealth with how many people...
02:13:15.000That's all well and good, but they compete against each other.
02:13:18.000And if you can get 300 million people in this country to recognize what a fucking shell game it really truly is, and then say, look, there's only one way to stop this shell game.
02:13:30.000You've got to remove money from politics, and you have to have politicians that act For the people, which is what initially the whole idea of a representative government was supposed to be about.
02:13:41.000It was supposed to be about having people that represent the rest of us so that everything remains fair, that we're allowed to prosper without being pulled down by the weight of an oppressive government like we were in Europe.
02:13:54.000It's the whole reason why people came to America in the first place.
02:13:57.000So what's amazing is that in our efforts to reclaim democracy, because it just doesn't exist on a national level anymore, just one quick thing about that.
02:15:06.000She gives a shit about the people in her district.
02:15:09.000She represents them because she sees them every day at the cash register when they're taking their cucumbers and their orange juice and stuff.
02:15:15.000And so she doesn't want the kids poisoned in that area, so she tries to stop the pollution.
02:15:19.000She also doesn't want business to leave because business hires her, right?
02:18:29.000I'm giving to the Joe Rogan PAC. Okay?
02:18:31.000Or friends of Joe Rogan PAC. And then they can spend a gazillion dollars supporting you.
02:18:37.000Guy just in, I think it's in Montana, set up a PAC. Raised all this money, left the PAC, started running for Congress, and that PAC then just gave him all the money.
02:20:19.000And so these guys have convinced themselves through a series of reading papers from American Enterprise Institute and Heritage Foundation, these think tanks, venerable think tanks, that they're doing the right thing.
02:20:31.000Justice Roberts and Justice Kennedy say that giving unlimited money like this doesn't even lead to the appearance of corruption.
02:21:16.000Look, I think obviously those conversations happen from time to time, but usually it doesn't have to get to that conversation.
02:21:22.000I think that the system creates the things that it wants.
02:21:26.000In 1971, a guy named Lewis Powell writes a memo to the Chamber of Commerce and says, hey, corporations should basically go in and affect every part of our society.
02:21:37.000We should spend a lot of money affecting education, affecting politics.
02:21:43.000And Richard Nixon reads that, and as he's getting his ass handed to him by Ralph Nader, says, hmm, maybe there's a good long-term way of fighting back.
02:21:51.000Takes Lewis Powell, who wrote that memo on behalf of the Chamber of Commerce, and puts him on the Supreme Court.
02:21:57.000And then Powell is the one who's the deciding vote in Buckley v.
02:22:00.000Vallejo and Bellotti that then spins us off into this nightmare that we're in now.
02:22:05.000So it was simply Nixon getting money from businessmen.
02:22:09.000Businessmen wanted Lewis Powell, who figured out how to For businessmen to take over the country, they wanted him on the Supreme Court.
02:22:17.000Nixon does them that favor because that's where he gets his money.
02:22:20.000It's just a self-repetuating system where, like Barack Obama, he thinks he's like a lovely guy, right?
02:22:26.000He thinks he brought us change and he's, you know, oh, I got you 5% change.
02:22:30.000You're still busting my ass over this.
02:22:50.000How has he gotten successful this whole time?
02:22:52.000Take corporate donations, take donations from Goldman Sachs, and give a veneer of change so people are placated, and they keep the system going exactly as it is.
02:23:01.000He thinks that's the right thing to do.
02:23:31.000If you're a sophisticated person, you would bow down to the Fed and the multinational corporations.
02:23:37.000You're very unsophisticated if you don't realize that corporations are human beings and should be able to spend unlimited money in politics.
02:23:55.000Yeah, the idea that you can do that and not address the diffusion of responsibility that comes when large groups act as a large group, the people inside that large group go, well, you know, I'm just a part of this company, you know, this business is business, and we're moving to Mexico.
02:24:12.000Look, there's a woman that was part of an insurance company in California.
02:24:33.000Okay, so the machine will replace anyone with a conscience.
02:24:38.000She had a conscience, and she was immediately replaced with someone who does not have a conscience.
02:24:42.000Because if they had a conscience, they'd be replaced.
02:24:45.000So we, like the media, the people who are at the top levels of the media today, on the old media, television, etc., they didn't get there by being the smartest, the most successful, the best investigative reporters.
02:24:56.000No, no, they got there because they were the ones who were willing to play ball.
02:24:59.000The system rewards people willing to perpetuate the system.
02:25:26.000The internet also realizes that this is the first time maybe ever that people truly have had a voice and the ability to influence things like this.
02:25:45.000You could start a protest, you could meet in Washington, D.C., and they would fucking turn the hydrants on you and sick dogs on you and shut that shit down.
02:25:51.000Then the news would give a really distorted account of what actually happened.
02:25:56.000For most Americans, that would be their version of the truth.
02:26:23.000The media has had the ability to do that forever.
02:26:26.000I mean, that's how they pulled off the Gulf of Tonkin when they got on TV and said that, you know, the North Vietnamese have shot American submarines and sunk them off the Gulf of Tonkin.
02:26:46.000Very, very difficult to do that today.
02:26:48.000So, from time to time, people in the mainstream media will criticize like RT, or they're run by the Russian government, or Al Jazeera, or they're run by the government of Qatar.
02:27:10.000So, does anyone in America actually believe that the Pentagon has never told a lie?
02:27:17.000Really, could anyone possibly believe that?
02:27:20.000So, if the CNN never reports the truth, it just reports whatever the Pentagon is saying, Then how are they better than Pravda, let alone RT or Al Jazeera, right?
02:27:31.000But in fact, they're more devious in a sense because they have the veneer of being a real media organization and journalists, etc.
02:27:40.000But when you look past that veneer, they do a better job than Pravda at supporting the government.
02:28:30.000Amber Lyon used to work for CNN. She did this detailed piece on Bahrain, and then they turned it into essentially an infomercial to get tourists to go to Bahrain.
02:30:31.000If there was a terrorist that came to our country and killed a half a million people a year, it would be our number one priority to eliminate that terrorist.
02:30:38.000But meanwhile, we have this public health problem.
02:31:03.000Because early on in his career, he got in a tiny bit of trouble, not that it mattered at all, because he eventually now runs the house, right?
02:32:37.000And I think that even without your Wolfpack, I think you're trying just by distributing information and by letting people know the actual roots of it and just sort of getting to points that are being ignored by these influenced networks because of the fact that you're not influenced by anything other than your own opinions and the facts that present themselves to you.
02:34:00.000Yeah, and so, you know, to bring it back to our conversation about darkness and light, so the Pentagon, that is this force of darkness for so many things, unfortunately, in the world, invented the internet, right?
02:34:24.000I don't think anybody could have ever possibly saw this coming.
02:34:27.000I think if they could pull it back, they probably would.
02:34:31.000That is the number one biggest problem to govern is the ability that people have today to express themselves and exchange information and the access to that information being...
02:34:44.000Almost completely permeated into our society.
02:36:15.000You want Verizon to have the ability and Comcast to have the ability to bring it down at my speed on the Internet and then pay more in order to speed it back up.
02:36:34.000Yeah, and then this net neutrality thing, to try to get rid of that is a very creepy precedent.
02:36:40.000Because to give anybody in control, anybody with power and influence, the control of the distribution of information, that's the very thing that's endangering their power and control.
02:36:51.000That distribution of information, that transparency.
02:36:54.000That's showing what these fuckers are up to.
02:36:57.000I mean, not enough people are up in arms, in my opinion.
02:37:00.000It seems to be a thing that's escaped largely because it's being ignored by the mainstream media.
02:38:07.000You see these new shows that are being developed exclusively for the internet, like House of Cards on Netflix, and that's just the beginning.
02:38:16.000And I think shows like yours and all these various shows that are just popping up on the internet, they're going to replace everything you see on television, except big budget things like maybe Game of Thrones.
02:38:27.000Those things will hang on, first of all, because they're awesome, and two, because it's really fucking expensive to make these gigantic, huge...
02:38:36.000You know, shows where you have special effects and just incredible theatrical productions.
02:38:40.000Those are going to be the most difficult to replace.
02:38:42.000The Captain America movies, things along those lines.
02:43:59.000If you were going to do a bunch of conspiracies, but you wanted to discredit the idea that conspiracies happen, you would create someone like Alex Jones who would say plausible things like 25%, 33% of it makes perfect sense.
02:44:12.000And then on top of that, you would add reptilians.
02:44:16.000So that people will go, oh, that's just crazy talk.
02:45:01.000He might not be right and he might jump to conclusions too often and he might cite statistics that may or may not actually exist or be factual, but he's right a lot of the time and that's what's really fucking crazy.
02:45:13.000He made a video a long time ago And it was 911, the road to tyranny.
02:46:03.000And then the expression, agent provocateur, I'd never heard of it at the time.
02:46:07.000But he does a fantastic job of detailing it in his video.
02:46:11.000And showing it, not just step by step along the way, videotaping these people that were wearing fucking, they were wearing ski masks, they were in military order boots.
02:47:27.000That's why the Turkish government shut down YouTube and Twitter for a while.
02:47:31.000Because the tapes, of course you're not going to see that on Turkish television, they're just as controlled by the Turkish government as any of these are, right?
02:47:39.000And then they couldn't control Twitter and YouTube, and the Prime Minister started losing it, so he just shut down all of YouTube, because those tapes made it out there.
02:47:57.000But what drives me crazy about Alex is that then he'll start talking about how the Rothschilds and the Rockefellers want to kill off 90% of humanity, and I'm like, no, no, then you're going to stop.
02:49:02.000But I think having a Looney Tunes dude out there like that pushing buttons and pulling cords, what's interesting is sometimes things get...
02:49:35.000He was talking about that way before the John Kerry Bush election.
02:49:39.000So, oftentimes, the great majority of the time, in my opinion, there's no cigar-filled room.
02:49:44.000It's just you build a system and it rewards certain things and provides disincentives for other things.
02:49:50.000And that's why you have people, news actors who do what they do.
02:49:53.000You have Barack Obama who does what he does.
02:49:55.000But sometimes there is a smoke-filled room, right?
02:49:59.000Sometimes you get a speech at MSNBC saying, no, no, no, you didn't get the message.
02:50:04.000You gotta act like the establishment, right?
02:50:06.000And sometimes you have these crazy guys, like real important people, dress up in funny costumes, get together and pat each other in the ass.
02:51:21.000My guess, I have no idea, but my guess is that those are the people who were smart enough to get together and be like, yeah, religious bullshit, right?
02:51:41.000So it might have had a good sign, but then once you get powerful people in a room, they're like, We should set the rules in our favor, right?