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00:08:20.000So Alex builds cars, and what he does is he takes what's arguably the greatest race car for the street in the world, which is a Porsche, a GT3, and he turns them into these ridiculous GT3s.
00:08:34.000These GT3s on performance-enhancing drugs, EPO, and all those Lance Armstrong chemicals.
00:08:38.000These fucking cars are just completely different animals, man.
00:08:48.000You find the parts you like, like the high-revving nature, the steering, and the whole delivery, the way the power comes on and just builds and builds, and you just pull at that a little more.
00:09:00.000Seems to accentuate the existing character of the car rather than try and turn it into something else.
00:10:17.000Yeah, going around Laguna Seca, you know, with million-dollar cars, and they're going like eight-tenths.
00:10:22.000They're on like a fucking Oregon trail wagon with an engine in it and a handbrake.
00:10:28.000What we were talking about, which I found was really fascinating, was just in the past just 30, 40 years, look at how much things have changed in the car world.
00:11:38.000We were talking about this today, and I think it's a fascinating subject, because when you see all these Google cars driving around, like I saw a Google...
00:11:45.000It wasn't the car that drove itself, but it was a street view thing.
00:12:11.000This is probably not going to be around that much longer.
00:12:14.000Driving your own car is probably not going to be...
00:12:15.000And what we've gone from, these shitboxes with skinny-ass tires that slid all over the place, death traps, you couldn't hit the brakes quick enough, they were slow as fuck, terrible handling, rhinos on roller skates, each and every one of them.
00:12:32.000And now, what we did today, driving these GT3s that you've modified, going through the canyons, and they're just stuck to the ground like a cheetah running up a fucking tree.
00:13:19.000Porsche got off to a really bad start with the 996, which you had and told us to be the funniest story about earlier about all the problems.
00:13:37.000Like, the 993 turbo was a fucking epic car.
00:13:39.000Like, they went from the best it could ever be to the 996. Well, what they did, though, on the 993, they were running out of money, so those were...
00:13:47.000I mean, they're worth a lot because they didn't build very many.
00:13:50.000And on the 996, that was the dot-com era.
00:13:53.000That was when everyone was buying a Porsche.
00:14:54.000Well, you have driven to give people just a little background on Matt.
00:14:58.000Matt's one of my, like I said, favorite automotive journalists because he's a real car guy, a guy who really does enjoy cars, but also you have a deep knowledge of the history of automobiles and how they were created and all the different models and all those different things, but nerd.
00:15:13.000Your guy's driven to fucking every car there is.
00:16:02.000It's like, for folks who don't appreciate automobiles, and I completely understand, let me try to put it into perspective, into way you could try to understand why people are, like, maybe you live in New York, you take the subway, you couldn't give a fuck, but you're about to turn this podcast off.
00:16:18.000Just talk about drugs and fighting again, Joe.
00:16:22.000There have been geniuses that have, over the course of decades, engineered, re-engineered, redesigned, rethought out these metal boxes with fire inside of them.
00:16:36.000Making controlled explosions and they've got it down to a point where the car that you just drove, 2.5 seconds, 0-60 in the 911 turbo.
00:16:47.000You actually do have to sort of defy physics because in the past you need Very crazy procedures to do something like that, like racing tires and drag slicks.
00:18:41.000We're all PDK. You know, the old cars that were six speeds, you could launch them, and they were actually quite hard cars to launch.
00:18:47.000For folks who don't know what you're talking about, PDK means, here's the big debate for folks who are on the subway now, again, ready to turn this fucking thing off.
00:18:54.000The big debate amongst people in the car world that enjoy sports cars and the engineering of sports cars is the manual transmission, which is with a third pedal, where you have to press in the clutch to shift the gears, or an automatic transmission, or as Alex said,
00:19:29.000So they call it PDK. And it's a double clutch, is what it is.
00:19:33.000It's a clutch with a K. It's a kooky clutch.
00:19:35.000It does everything for you perfectly every time.
00:19:37.000Well, I actually own one PDK car, and it was the first launch car.
00:19:43.000It came out in 08, and they even screwed up that.
00:19:45.000What they did is they had these buttons.
00:19:47.000I don't know if you've driven these PDK cars, right?
00:19:49.000They have these buttons right where you put your palms on the wheel, right?
00:19:52.000So you would be, say, in fourth gear, and you're coming into a turn, you want to bump it down to third.
00:19:59.000And go into second, so you go into third, and then as you're turning, your palm would bump that stupid button, and instead of being in fourth, sorry, instead of being in second, you'd be in fourth.
00:20:09.000Without getting into specifics, you're just saying the gear changes around the steering wheel, which is stupid.
00:20:47.000They take the ability to have any of your radio controls, all these other buttons that you have on the steering wheel.
00:20:52.000If you take the paddle shifter one, they assume that you're having to concentrate so much that you're not allowed to have any of those buttons.
00:22:24.000You can still, like, you drive something from the 70s and you don't want to, like, huck it into a corner because you're like, If this goes wrong, I'm dead, you know?
00:22:32.000But late 80s, you can kind of drive it harder and not be kind of...
00:22:36.000That's when they started to figure it out, right?
00:22:39.000With Porsche, it was like the 964, they started to figure out the handling, really, right?
00:22:43.000Yeah, the suspension was way improved on the 964s, but even in that sense, I mean, Honda and Acura, I mean, the NSX blew away the 964. It blew away the Ferrari, blew away Porsche.
00:22:56.000Yeah, I remember the first time I ever saw an Acura NSX, I was in Boston and some dude drove by with a red one and everybody's jaw dropped.
00:23:03.000They're like, oh my god, we're in the future.
00:26:34.000Yeah, and how about the fact that they have these two incredible cars, the Cayman and the Boxster, and they fuck them by giving them low horsepower because if they jumped them up to where the Porsche 911 is, you'd have a way better car than the 911, and they've got a real fucking problem.
00:26:49.000Alex, how come you haven't stuck a GT3 motor in a Cayman yet?
00:28:09.000The 1 Series M. That car has all of the M3 suspension shit, but in a tinier car.
00:28:17.000And it was faster than the M3. So it can out-handle the M3. It's cheaper than the M3. And it has an engine that if you just do-do-do-do on the computer could be faster than an M3 also.
00:29:07.000However, cars like the new 911 Turbo and this Dinan thing are so fucking fast that- If you have to shift it yourself, it's actually hard to keep up.
00:29:18.000Is it faster, you think, than the GT3 RS that he made?
00:29:23.000No, but the GT3 RS that he made has longer gearing.
00:31:25.000So now they're like five to eight grand over MSRP two years.
00:31:29.000Well, I think it shows this fucking trend that's going on where people, this minimalist trend, where people are looking at all this shit on their computer.
00:34:05.000The interior is made of shitty plastic, like yeah, and when you close the door it sounds like Legos are rattling around in there, you know.
00:34:12.000It's not a 911, but it's got really good balance and really good power, and it just works all the time.
00:34:53.000They're the fanny pack of the automotive world.
00:34:55.000They're good platforms to start your build.
00:34:58.000You start from a Corvette, take everything the GM cheaped out on, which is a lot, and then make that better, and then you've got a really good car.
00:35:05.000Yeah, I like the ZR1 the best, like some of my customers have them.
00:36:36.000So Pratt& Miller basically is the company that builds GM's factory race cars.
00:36:42.000And so they built sort of a street homologation kind of special of the race car.
00:36:48.000And what they did was they made a new body that was like a really high quality carbon fiber and a super high quality leather interior, which is something that these cars were really missing.
00:38:07.000Leather, metal, you're holding on to this thing.
00:38:10.000But it's also like, you're looking down at that thing, and it gives you like, yeah, this is a fucking 1972 RS, whatever the hell he calls those things.
00:38:17.000The best, you get like a 59 Caddy with the fucking wheel that's like a steamship wheel, you know what I mean?
00:41:13.000What Americans are getting right now is like a peek into your madness.
00:41:17.000The same madness that led you to be this master engineer and improver of Porsches leads you to be a crazy person if you fucking miss a shot on a pool table.
00:41:26.000You're talking about a goddamn podcast two hours later.
00:41:28.000Well, the reason why that one didn't go in is because I'm not American!
00:41:34.000The sun was in the wrong place on the horizon and I had Vaseline on my fingernails.
00:41:42.000You're the best American pool player that I've played against.
00:41:46.000Well, then you ain't playing against shit because I'm fucking terrible compared to like a real good pool player.
00:44:13.000So, you've been in this car making business for, like, how long now?
00:44:18.000Since basically 05. 05. And before that, I thought this was hilarious, you used to be in the video game world and you were actually on Screensavers.
00:53:25.000I flew all the way to New York to drive it from LA, and it was raining at the track, and they wouldn't let me drive it.
00:53:31.000I had flown across the country, and they go, nope, and I go, like, come on, and they said it was worthless in the wet.
00:53:37.000But you know what people have said, though, they've driven it, that have had GT3s?
00:53:42.000Well, no, but they immediately, because the new GT3 is, you know, basically, it's PDK, And then they go back into a Z28 and they're just having fun because it's manual.
00:56:06.000But in Porsche's defense, you know, the other reason they went to PDK and got rid of the six-speed was a lot of people can't drive the car properly.
00:56:14.000And what happens is when you take the control away from people and the ability to do something wrong, like misshift or money shift, as you call it, you know, and blow up your engine and then some, you know, Somebody goes back with their car and says, oh, I want you to warranty it and fix it.
00:57:27.000This is the instructions of how to drive a Model T. But there's a chart that shows all the different positions of the Spark Advance levers.
00:58:16.000And these are all the different possible positions, and there are nine possible combinations of positions for depending on how fast you want to go.
00:58:25.000So that lever on the right, I believe, is actually your throttle.
01:02:47.000It's so good that Chris Harris said it's a step up above the Porsche 918, which is like the greatest car the world has ever known, up until a week ago.
01:02:54.000Harris said that the 918 is amazing, but the P1 is like an alien just dropped a car on Earth and this is it, you know what I mean?
01:03:03.000Yeah, I wasn't overly impressed with that 918. I mean, as far as technology, it looks and does all that stuff really well.
01:03:10.000But honestly, I go back to the manual thing.
01:03:13.000I've driven CGTs and that's what I would take.
01:04:15.000Well, you take some of it, but what I'm trying to say is I think that where the technology has reached right now, They can make amazing, super-competent cars that just five, ten years ago would be Ferrari supercar level, and they can make them where you feel everything.
01:04:29.000They can have incredible performance that's thrilling, braking that's fantastic, handling that's spectacular, but make it so you can feel it.
01:04:37.000Yeah, it's not going to be as fast around a track as a fucking GT-R from 2015. But it's probably going to be more than fast enough for you.
01:04:45.000Like, what the fuck are you doing exactly that you need 600 fucking horsepower?
01:04:50.000Well, you know, like going to the NSX, you know, when you were driving that, right?
01:04:53.000I mean, it didn't even have 300 horsepower, but it, you know, it had a good amount of power.
01:04:59.000And then you're thinking, like, Now you're driving, you know, in GT3s that have over 500 horsepower, and then there's, you know, yeah, like 991 Turbo S's that have, you know, even more than that.
01:05:11.000Well, that was what Chris Harris had done with that little rally car that he had made.
01:05:15.000He had taken the car and made it really, really light.
01:05:17.000It was only 2,000 pounds, and he put a 320-plus horsepower engine in it.
01:12:31.000Well, then they eventually got it working, and they had to do a lap around the track, and they do the laps, but it was wet, and this car's got 1,000 horsepower, so it was slower than a Ford Ford.
01:12:46.000It's just, I think, and, you know, we probably could be guilty of doing this too, but when you work on something for, you know, two, three years, you're in your own cave, and you just forget what the rest of the world is really like, and you just start believing your own Crap, you know?
01:13:19.000You were saying, don't kill yourself, get a 73. And I was like, well, everybody says that you drive one of those things and it's just incredible.
01:19:23.000You ever think the reason you're not a famous musician is because if you came up with half the shit on the radio, you'd go, no, this is terrible, and just throw it away and never play it again?
01:19:31.000No, I'm not a famous musician because I have no musical talent whatsoever.
01:19:44.000First of all, I don't believe in you guys in this fucking country because this country is basically a colony of people who came from somewhere else.
01:19:51.000The idea that we're all the same but we came from somewhere else is pretty fucking stupid and kind of, you know, it doesn't work that way.
01:19:58.000Yeah, but all Australians are criminals.
01:21:21.000What does this country look like from afar?
01:21:23.000When you're trying to talk about, not the visual look, but when you're talking about how crazy this country is.
01:21:32.000As someone who grew up in Britain, when you come over here and you see, when you're looking at America from Britain, what is your impression of it?
01:21:40.000Does it seem as ridiculous as it does once you're here, or does it seem more ridiculous because you're over there in England?
01:21:46.000So I'll tell you the honest, honest truth, right?
01:21:49.000I went to the, like, pretty much the best school in England, you know, the princes and the royal family go there, out there too, Westminster.
01:21:57.000Remember I said 1060, it was built in 1066. Someone is posh.
01:22:19.000The honest truth is that, you know, a small little island, you know, you come over here and you really can do all this crazy shit here that I could never have done like this tuning stuff with Porsches or overclocking PCs, being a dot-com person, you know, internet celebrity.
01:22:35.000I could never have done that in England.
01:22:54.000What I was trying to get at was like, what's the opinion of America when you're living over in England?
01:23:00.000Does it look like when you see people, we're invading Afghanistan, fucking blowing up Iraq, and sending missiles into Pakistan from robots that fly in the sky, sucking up all the oil from all over the world.
01:23:10.000I'll tell you what, that stuff didn't bug us at all.
01:27:04.000His legs cross in that strange praying mantis position that older dudes that have had a lot of atrophy of their thigh muscles feel super comfortable bending their legs in that way.
01:27:14.000And he's there with his little foot dangling and he's talking about he's never had one girl.
01:27:19.000And just counting down the minutes until you can touch another kid.
01:27:22.000You know how you get meat sweats after you eat at Rootscrisp?
01:27:27.000He's getting meat sweats, thinking about kids, just waiting for this fucking...
01:27:31.000He's got a million kids on his phone, he's ready to text.
01:27:33.000The second this guy leaves, the door blows open in a wave of kids.
01:27:36.000He sends one giant mass text to every kid on his phone.
01:27:40.000What was weird, though, at the time, you would see him, right?
01:27:56.000What happened was the guy had become, according to Louis Theroux, the guy had become a huge celebrity and was almost untouchable because he was so loved.
01:28:03.000And he had all these charitable organizations.
01:28:05.000And that's the same way Sandusky hid his pedophilia was through charitable organizations.
01:28:10.000Do charities for kids that didn't have families, kids who were injured, kids who were sick.
01:31:18.000And I'm saying if I had a grenade and it was attached to a spear, I'd stuff it right into a shark's dick and blow him right out of the water just in the chance that maybe he could bite somebody that I love.
01:35:34.000With an animal like that, first of all, the number one responsibility is to make sure it doesn't get out somewhere.
01:35:39.000And that's where assholes have released these fucking things into other areas, and that's why they're illegal.
01:35:44.000In Florida, after Hurricane Andrew, all those pet stores that had pythons and all those other fish and stuff, that's all infested all of Florida.
01:35:52.000You know, they like to blame it on that, but it's also just white trash douchebag.
01:36:33.000It's just, it's obviously not everybody, but there's a giant percentage of fucking idiots there, and they have those pythons that just, well, he got too big for the house, so I figured I'd keep him out in the backyard, and I was going to be on the fence, but I came back, he was gone!
01:42:28.000But unless you're a paid race car driver on the track, are you really having that much more fun by just holding the steering wheel and pushing the gas pedal?
01:42:36.000I have no problem with automatic transmissions.
01:42:49.000That was like the wrong place to put that transmission.
01:42:52.000They did make a silly argument for it because there's still some cars like a Corvette ZR1 and like a Viper that have a stick that'll beat it around a track.
01:43:35.000So you could take one of those seven speeds and make it a good shifter?
01:43:38.000Yeah, I haven't done the seven speeds, but the six speeds before it, you know, like a Carrera S or a turbo that felt a little sloppy, you know, it didn't feel as good as your GT3. Didn't click into place?
01:44:28.000Well, Porsches wind pretty high, so that 7th is really, really just for a road trip.
01:44:36.000If you're going to just get on the highway and drive for five hours, just stick the fucking thing in 7th, and you'll get four or five miles a gallon better.
01:51:20.000I mean, they drive those things so fast at those mile events that, you know, when they get to like 230, 240 miles an hour, the roof caves in.
01:52:00.000Because the internet, you can just Google and get into that, you know, you can see some fucking psycho in Dubai who's got some Supra with 1500 horsepower, and all of a sudden that has resets your barometer for normal.
01:52:15.000Normal is the big numbers you see on the internet now.
01:52:18.000Most of these people, if they rode in a 500hp car, would shit their pants.
01:52:23.000But they see on the internet some psycho with a dyno car, you know, that's putting down 1,500 and they go, If yours doesn't make $1,500, it ain't shit.
01:52:32.000Isn't that interesting when it comes to a lot of fans of cars that can't afford those cars?
01:52:38.000Yeah, but it also gets to that weird thing like you're shitting on a car that you can't afford.
01:52:42.000You don't even know what the fuck it would be like to drive the bronze medalist to this three.
01:52:48.000You're dealing with an insane demon of a car.
01:52:51.000You're talking about, like, the Evo top ten, when they do the top ten of the best supercars of the year, or the best sports cars, whatever, performance cars is their category.
01:53:00.000The shittiest one is still pretty fucking good.
01:55:36.000The closer to a racing tire it is, the more heat you got to get.
01:55:39.000So what do you do if you go to, if you're a guy and it's your first day on a track, and see if you got a GT3? Ever see a Formula One race, that lap right before they start?
01:55:48.000What they do is, they're going about 10 miles an hour, 10 to 20 miles an hour, and they're going left and right, left and right.
01:55:54.000And they're just heating up the tires.
01:55:54.000They're just heating up the tires, yeah.
01:55:58.000You don't have to do that, because then you look like you're a FOSS driver, and that's kind of stupid.
01:56:02.000Why can't they put magnets all around the tires, all around the cars itself, all around the bumpers, and put magnets on all the other cars, too?
01:56:09.000That way, when they get near each other, they never actually touch.
01:57:25.000If I could drive down the street, it was early in the morning, and I knew no cars were coming in the other direction, I would just go in the left lane and just fucking whip them left, right.
01:59:29.000I was like, yo, come check out what we do.
01:59:31.000And I'm driving his car, him in the passenger seat, Zach is driving my van, and we're fucking, you know, that's what we do, is I have to tailgate the van.
01:59:56.000The videos don't look nearly this sketchy.
02:00:00.000You should have seen we did one at night, and we had the van with lights, suction cup to the back of the van, a Running gas generator in the back of the van, while doing that, and I'm driving an Aston...
02:00:13.000A running gas generator in the van while you're driving?
02:07:46.000The candies, those are a good dose, because the Jolly Ranchers, they're like, one of them is like, you know, a nice, mellow, not too fucked up.
02:07:55.000You can kind of get through it, and two of them, ooh, you're going to feel tingles.
02:07:59.000Two of them, you're going to be like, I might have just fucked up.
02:08:02.000Maybe I should've taken that second one.
02:08:41.000Could you imagine being high as fuck at the bottom of the ocean and also being a billionaire at the same time being like, what am I doing down here?
02:11:03.000So because everybody was really sensitive about lies, the Freedom of Information Act had come about, and they'd gotten to the point where they were forced to talk and discuss about what they were doing out there in the ocean.
02:11:14.000Were you actually trying to retrieve a Russian submarine?
02:14:11.000I think in the future, gold, the idea of a resource-based economy, whether it's gold or diamonds or have it be worth that, that's a way better idea.
02:14:25.000The system that we have now, the idea of the system that we have now, a piece of paper represents a hundred bucks, and what the hundred bucks gets you fluctuates depending on how the fucking economy's doing.
02:15:04.000Gox thing just shows you how nutty the internet is.
02:15:07.000I laughed, because everyone said I should buy bitcoins instead of cars, and I said, fuck you, I can still drive my cars, where's your bitcoins?
02:15:13.000Well, the bitcoins are still good if they weren't in Mt.
02:16:40.000In the old days, okay, when you looked at a guy driving a sports car, you look at a gentleman, he had a scarf on, it's blowing in the breeze, and he's got fucking pilot's goggles on.
02:18:55.000I thought it looked actually better than the Aston Martin, which was a DB7. And it, you know, it was faster, but it was just really floppy.
02:19:04.000I mean, I was going to kill myself driving at a track or in canyons in that car, because the suspension, it was just all floppy.
02:19:10.000You've driven fucking every car there is, and for you to say that his cars are the best cars you've ever driven.
02:19:16.000They're really, well, when I drove a stock GT3 RS at the time, I was like, this is the best car I've ever driven.
02:19:34.000The Porsche GG3 RS is everything that you want about driving a race car, but it doesn't beat you up for making that decision.
02:19:43.000A lot of other cars, I just drove the Mercedes SLS Black Series, which is the racetrack version of their going SLS. All the trade-off you get for the racetrack performance makes it worse to drive on the street.
02:19:59.000The throttle's touchy, it's stiff, it's wider and lower and less practical, but the GT3 RS and Alex's cars, they don't kick you in the fucking dick because you decided you wanted to drive a race car.
02:22:39.000Just watch a scene where there's actually a car chase in it, and you see them speeding away in an 80s 911 turbo or whatever 911 they're stealing.
02:22:48.000And then following them is always, you know, this shitty 80s Camaro.
02:22:52.000And it cannot go straight or put down any power of any kind.
02:22:55.000It's just literally doing this the whole way.
02:23:44.000Now, is it possible to do something like that, but make it a car that you could, like, that 9 Meister, 9 RSR, or whatever the fuck they call it, is it possible to make something like that that you could drive like a GT3, like an older 911?
02:25:26.000The reason I was getting at this is you were saying while you were driving that BBI car, that after all these years of doing Tuned, where you're driving all these fucking wild, crazy, supercharged, fucking super horsepower, that this is what you were enjoying.
02:25:49.000You get into it for two seconds and then you have no road left.
02:25:52.000Right, and then to use it continuously, you have to stop that 5,000 pound brick, you know, repeatedly, and then your brakes are shit, you know, and you're surprised why.
02:32:00.000That intake's got an angel eye thing around it.
02:32:02.000Isn't it a weird time for fucking performance cars where a car that used to be ridiculous is out of the box Mustang GT. It used to be ridiculous to have 420 fucking horsepower.
02:32:13.000I just drove a Lamborghini Countach quattro valve.
02:33:10.000Well, they had this law in Europe, basically, in all of Europe, where you have to have traction control on all cars now, and the system has to be so good that even Tiff Nadell could not get the car to slide.
02:33:23.000He tried every single thing he could to get it to slide.
02:34:30.000So last time I was on the show, we talked about going off this off-road adventure we were doing, 600 miles off-road, the state of Washington.
02:37:09.000That's just some of the ones that we've done that we put up there.
02:37:11.000And if you're just an enthusiast and you dream one day in the future, watch some of the videos online because they're pretty fucking awesome.
02:37:16.000We're going to have your car and your car.