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00:06:16.000Well, what we're talking about is martial arts techniques that were a part of what you would consider traditional martial arts, like taekwondo or karate, that a lot of these techniques are starting to find their way into MMA. And kickboxing.
00:06:44.000Not unlike MMA, open martial arts tournaments, even though you have one style, everyone's got to learn how to do it, so everyone knows how to spin kick and so forth.
00:06:55.000Yeah, he threw a sidekick with his right leg and then in the middle of the air spun and hit the guy with a spinning sidekick in the face with his left leg.
00:08:09.000It's one of the things we were talking about today.
00:08:11.000If you can do the traditional techniques in kickboxing, leg kicks, knees, all those things, if you're good at all those things, Then you can add those things to your repertoire.
00:08:23.000The rolling thunder kicks, the wheel kicks.
00:08:25.000So we're starting to see that a little bit more in kickboxing, but a lot more in MMA. And MMA has become a big weapon.
00:08:31.000Yeah, I think MMA is just so wide open.
00:08:34.000Because there's so many weapons on the battlefield, it's easier to catch people with them because, you don't know, it's a takedown.
00:08:43.000The size of the cage, they move around a little more.
00:08:46.000It makes it It's a controlled chaos in there, and I enjoy that.
00:08:49.000I can kind of get crazy with striking.
00:08:53.000Well, the thing is that you're in a really interesting position, too, because people think of the UFC as being an established sport, and it most certainly is.
00:10:08.000I mean, I remember when Alan Belcher, Alan the Talon, as Hanato would call him.
00:10:14.000But my man Alan Belcher hit that Superman punch at the UFC 100. And that was kind of the beginning of even our little evolution of doing it.
00:10:23.000And then Anthony did it against Bart Palaszewski.
00:10:25.000He did a Superman punch in WC. And then, of course, his Showtime kick.
00:10:30.000And then against Roller, he actually used the cage to sweep Roller.
00:11:07.000That was the thing about the Showtime kick was that it was pretty clear after he threw the kick and then after he talked about it, this is not a technique that he just came up with on the fly.
00:11:16.000This is something that they had drilled.
00:11:19.000September before that fight, he did a shoot with the UFC magazine and he was doing the kick off the wall just on the pads and they're all like, stop!
00:12:26.000Yeah, and the Paul Harris fight was really interesting with Alan Belcher because Paul Harris is known for being this terrifying leg lock master.
00:12:33.000Nobody wants to go to the ground with him because you go to the ground with him and he just rips guys' legs apart.
00:12:36.000I mean, you saw it in his World Series of Fighting premiere.
00:13:15.000You could really see that he had studied Paul Harris' game and just knew how to defend it and just was with him every step of the way and then beat him down.
00:13:24.000Again, I love having people do things that people can't or don't think they can do.
00:13:30.000I did an interview with Ron Kroc on Inside MMA. Right the week of Anthony's fight with Henderson, they said, so how's the fight going to go down?
00:14:04.000You talk about it in your broadcasting.
00:14:05.000If you're world-class at one thing, you can decide to be world-class at another thing.
00:14:10.000You take that drive you had that got you to be a world-class martial artist in this discipline, go put it in the other one.
00:14:16.000Well, I think people forget, too, with Anthony Pettis, who's the current UFC lightweight champion, people forget how good his ground game is because he's so scary standing up.
00:14:24.000They think of him as the guy who knocked out Joe Lozon with a head kick, knocked out Donald Cerrone with a liver kick.
00:14:29.000They think of him as this devastating kicker, which he most certainly is.
00:14:33.000But they forget about his triangle of Shane Roller.
00:14:37.000They forget about his wicked ground game that he showed in the first Henderson fight where he took his back.
00:15:41.000Having trained that guy from the jump and to see him flourish and become the WEC champion and then the UFC champion in such a spectacular way, that's got to be beautiful.
00:15:52.000Yeah, I mean, I started crying slightly in Milwaukee, in the Octagon.
00:19:15.000It's crazy to do MMA. They're all tough in their own right.
00:19:18.000I respect each one of them, but when it comes to striking, I think the most brutal thing you'll ever do, striking-wise, is an eight-man tournament.
00:19:46.000I'm better at single fights, but these guys who go out there and can beat three guys in one night and find the nuts to do it, I don't know how they do it still.
00:19:55.000I only fought kickboxing three times, and it was all in one night.
00:21:45.000I'd like to hit you a lot, and please never hit me.
00:21:48.000Well, I think we're seeing that more reinforced and appreciated more in MMA. There was a period of time that was disturbing to me where guys were just banging.
00:21:58.000I remember I read some guy's Twitter account, who's a really nice guy, and I read something.
00:22:03.000Like, fuck technical striking, you know, I think what you do is you get out to, if you're a man, you stand in the center of the cage and you bang.
00:22:12.000You meet each other in the center of the cage and bang, and let the chips fall where they may.
00:22:16.000And I'm like, that is the craziest, that's so, I can't even tell you how dumb that is.
00:22:21.000That's like saying fuck steering when you're on a race car track.
00:23:17.000The greatest fighters in every discipline have all had defense.
00:23:20.000I think whether it's grappling, whether great wrestlers don't get taken down, great jiu-jitsu guys don't get submitted, great kickboxers don't get knocked out, Mayweather doesn't get hit.
00:23:31.000Like you're saying, It's easy to get...
00:23:34.000I went through a stage in my career where, yeah man, I'm going to go out there and put on a show and I'm just going to bleed for the crowd.
00:24:35.000Putting them together against an unwilling opponent in the middle of a competition in the middle of a cage where you're on broadcasting in front of fucking millions of people worldwide and to pull it all off in this incredibly perfect way.
00:25:18.000The canvas of the octagon or the ring is their literal canvas, too.
00:25:24.000I mean, you get a chance to put to film in front of the world what you are, who you are.
00:25:31.000Because the way you fight represents your personality.
00:25:34.000Yeah, and if you see those moments where a guy's hitting someone and can't be hit back, like the famous video of Anderson fighting Forrest Griffin, where he's bobbing and weaving in front of him.
00:25:45.000Forrest is hitting the air and then Anderson cracks him.
00:25:47.000They're both fighting at two different speeds, two different frequencies.
00:25:52.000Anderson's just in this complete different level.
00:26:10.000You know, any fighter can sit there and get beat up.
00:26:13.000But I think that's why we talk about people like Silva, Ali, you know, and now, like I said, there's guys coming up in glory that are special.
00:28:04.000One of my favorite compliments is when Alan Belcher fought...
00:28:09.000Patrick Cote, everyone goes, yeah, man, he looks like Yod-Senklai Fairtex.
00:28:13.000Well, as a matter of fact, he studied Yod-Senklai to a T. I'll take a fighter and have my athletes study that for that particular game plan.
00:28:23.000And I'll see, you're going to do this, use this technique.
00:28:26.000You know, a technique that Anthony and Serge have been doing is the handstand kick.
00:29:14.000But what I'm saying is, say if he's throwing that kick, the guy who he's kicking can't kick him in the face when his hand is touching the ground.
00:29:41.000Let's explain that for folks who don't know.
00:29:43.000You're not allowed to knee a downed opponent.
00:29:45.000What a downed opponent means is you can knee a guy in the face when he's standing up, but once a guy's on the ground, if he has a knee on the ground and one hand, as long as it's anything other than your feet on the ground.
00:30:57.000Well, that technique is really one of the most ridiculous rules ever.
00:31:02.000And the reason why it's in, for folks who don't know, the 12 to 6, meaning an elbow that comes from the 12 o'clock down to 6 o'clock, The reason why it's outlawed is because when they tried to get mixed martial arts passed, they brought it to the athletic commissions and they said, well, you can't have that one technique because I saw it on ESPN. There was a guy breaking bricks with it.
00:31:21.000There's no way you can allow people to do that because they could kill somebody.
00:31:25.000And so they went, alright, as if this is anything more powerful than this, which is probably more powerful.
00:31:30.000I think when you're on the ground, the downward elbow is the most vicious strike.
00:31:56.000If a guy's in your guard, you can't do a 12-6 elbow to his thigh.
00:32:02.000If it were me, I'd love to have soccer kicks.
00:32:06.000Well, do you think that soccer kicks, though, they had them in Pride, and I liked it, I liked it, but what I don't think, I think in Pride, you're in a ring, and your head could slip under the ropes, you can get away from stuff.
00:32:18.000In the UFC, the cage would, like, you'd be mashed up if someone soccer kicked your head.
00:32:31.000Say if every fight took place in a basketball-sized arena, like a basketball court, where there's plenty of room to move around, but there's no cage.
00:33:57.000Well, there's so much information now.
00:33:59.000Whereas when I was a kid, you would buy a book on a martial art or, you know, it was very rare that you would get a really good VHS tape on martial arts back then.
00:34:09.000Because when I was a kid, I was training in the 80s.
00:34:12.000I don't think there were any instructional martial arts tapes that I was aware of.
00:34:21.000And then you would watch, you know, try to emulate, like, Benny the Jet, you know, like, try to be like Benny the Jet or Kiedez, or, you know, or one of those guys that was fighting back then that was, like, really, really good.
00:34:31.000My first instructional tapes I had, because I still watch everything.
00:34:36.000I'm a student of the game, was a guy by the name of Putpednoy.
00:37:05.000When people are talking about this past UFC, which I thought was great, I loved the Mighty Mouse fight, I loved watching that guy perform, but that a lot of folks don't care to watch 125-pound fighters, and they're saying, you know, there's a rumor on the underground, again, who knows if it's substantiated,
00:37:21.000but that the pay-per-view buys were some of the lowest ever for the UFC. That it was somewhere around 100,000 pay-per-view buys, which is really, really low for the UFC. Do you think that's what it is, that Americans just do not want to see these little tiny guys?
00:37:38.000I just think the timing was bad this time around.
00:37:41.000It was a few weeks coming off another big fight.
00:37:45.000I think they should just drop a couple of the pay-per-views per year.
00:37:51.000I like it when there's kind of a build-up, make the pay-per-view the big bomber, and then we got all of our good free fights.
00:37:58.000It's kind of like back in the day, remember Tuesday night fights on USA? You got some Friday night fights, you got some HBO, and now we're going to have a big pay-per-view fight.
00:50:16.000And they also appreciate that there's very few people that understand them like other martial artists do or other fighters.
00:50:22.000You know, when they're training, the lifestyle, the amount of effort that you have to put in Very few people understand or appreciate the dedication and commitment that's required to be a professional level MMA fighter.
00:50:47.000You might get to go on a vacation after your fight, but guess what?
00:50:50.000Your amount of time you're actually relaxing is so small, because if you did well in that fight, they're already talking about your next opponent.
00:50:57.000So you start thinking about the next fight, and so you're on the beach somewhere, and all you're thinking about is fucking head kicks and tackles.
00:51:04.000To me, fighting reminds me of apocalypse now.
00:51:06.000When you're in the bush, you think about being on R&R. But when you're on R&R, you want to get back in the bush because you don't want to get soft because Charlie's going to come get you.
00:52:32.000I want my guys to quarterback their own fights.
00:52:35.000If they have to count on everything I say, they're not ready to be champion.
00:52:40.000This whole Ben Askren thing is a very interesting subject because Ben Askren was a great wrestler, an elite amateur wrestler, got into MMA, and shows dominance in the grappling that we have rarely ever seen before.
00:52:58.000And for whatever reason, he gets labeled as being boring because of that.
00:53:02.000But you see what he's been able to do to guys like Lima, like these killers.
00:53:07.000You know, he takes these guys that normally, you know, they're involved in these crazy wild fights with people and he manhandles them.
00:53:15.000He gets a hold of these motherfuckers and he drags them to the ground.
00:55:03.000So I think him and it was Cale Sanderson.
00:55:05.000I'm very, very impressed with that guy's wrestling.
00:55:08.000And I was very upset that it didn't go down, that he didn't fight in the UFC. When they were saying they were releasing him from Bellator and he was talking to people in the UFC, I was very excited.
00:55:17.000And there was a lot of people like, oh, he's boring, he's boring.
00:58:07.000If you can still move correctly, if you don't have a debilitating injury, if you don't have cognitive problems, you haven't been hit in the head too many times, you can still learn, you can still grow.
00:58:16.000But some guys, they do not do that because they're very stubborn in their ways or they're stuck on a path.
00:58:22.000They're stuck on that path and they never develop.
00:58:26.000It really is unfortunate because the beautiful thing about MMA is the fact that there's so many options.
00:58:31.000And when you see a guy get to a high, like a Mighty Mouse, like a Demetrius Johnson who gets this Incredibly high level of aptitude in all these different areas.
00:59:29.000The flyweight division is going to be the next division in the UFC, excuse me, the strawweight division for women for 115. Yeah, it's exciting.
00:59:39.000I'm going to be assisting Anthony Pettis on the Ultimate Fighter.
00:59:43.000I'm only going 10 days and then I'm going to come back a little later.
01:04:02.000It's like they can fit a family of five on a little 125. Well, if everybody was riding motorcycles, like in Thailand, back and with less cars, probably safer.
01:04:10.000Yeah, I mean, the traffic's so bad, so they go in between.
01:04:14.000And, you know, Thailand's crazy, though.
01:04:32.000Yeah, like the Buddhist religion, it's the Maipenlai, which means don't worry, it doesn't matter, culture.
01:04:38.000But yeah, I don't, it scares me because I used to train at the state of Utah when I first went and, you know, I'd go to the beach on the weekend and, you know, all these chicks, weird looking chicks, hey, sexy man.
01:04:49.000I'm like to my friend, man, these chicks really dig us, man.
01:04:53.000Hey, you know, next week, this guy in a walker, hey, sexy man.
01:05:30.000Like I had a buddy who went over there and was drinking Brody Stevens.
01:05:33.000Brody Stevens told a great story about it.
01:05:35.000And we determined that he was 84% gay.
01:05:38.00086. We got it to 86. He started off that he was 10% gay.
01:05:42.000And by the end of the conversation we worked at that he was somewhere over 50, definitely over 50% gay.
01:05:48.000But he told the story about meeting ladyboys there and, you know, just having a good time and enjoying it.
01:05:53.000It didn't feel abnormal because he was there in a culture where it's normal and it's accepted.
01:05:59.000There's all these other people that, you know, even guys that were like, you know, straight guys were hanging out with these ladyboys because it was just how they did it over there.
01:06:25.000One night, my wife went to Thailand with me once.
01:06:28.000We were on a tuk-tuk late night in Bangkok, cruising back to our hotel after some fights, and we were right up to a dude, and we totally see this guy mashin', kissin'.
01:07:51.000One time at one of the other camps I was at, this kid had just come from way northeast Thailand and he just wasn't sleeping well at night.
01:08:01.000He was used to eating different and one of the trainers, you know, sometimes the trainers drink a lot because they get their shit kicked out of On pads.
01:08:35.000Some of the guys I brought over from Thailand, I had to teach them things about life that they didn't learn when they lived at the Muay Thai camp.
01:10:18.000They got long-sleeved t-shirts and long shorts on because they don't want to get tan because it's frowned upon to be dark-skinned in Thailand.
01:10:35.000They're using glutathione, and glutathione, somehow or another, it's an antioxidant, but somehow or another, I think they inject it or something, I don't know what they're doing, but they're doing it to lighten their skin color, and it's become a very common treatment.
01:10:56.000Steve Maxwell, who has been on the podcast several times, told me that vitamin D levels actually, when you have vitamin D from sun, that it actually has an anabolic effect on the body.
01:11:11.000There's a lot of positive aspects to having vitamin D. I mean, the hardest thing about where I live is the tough winters, you know, from being from the Boston area.
01:11:19.000And the last couple weeks, I've had some pep in my step, man.
01:11:30.000I mean, a trick that I do, because I struggle a little bit with seasonal depression, our whole gym, you've been there, is painted super yellow.
01:12:59.000Well, a lot of fighters have a real problem with that when they live in Vegas, too.
01:13:02.000And the ones who tend to do best are the ones who avoid the strip and do things like go to Lake Mead, maybe do a little jet skiing, maybe go hiking, maybe go fishing.
01:13:12.000Do something where you're getting out of the Vegas Vegas and getting into the Nevada.
01:13:35.000When I trained in Vegas, I used to train at Master Totties, and he had all these really killer trainers from Thailand, and they would all laugh at me.
01:13:42.000They're like, Duke, I'd be home on the weekend.
01:15:27.000Those perfect storm athletes are out there that are really physically talented, really mentally talented, very strong, very creative, and...
01:15:48.000All year round wants it more than the guy who doesn't.
01:16:11.000Do you know what Sugar Ray Robinson would have given to have been able to see a Sugar Ray Robinson on video before him to be able to study films?
01:16:24.000That's kind of like, I would say that's the, you know, like in basketball, you know, people who change a game, I would say first it was Bob Cousy.
01:16:33.000Then Pistol Pete, Dr. J, Jordan, and then maybe LeBron now, but like those game-changing athletes in boxing, who would it have to be?
01:16:43.000Jack Johnson, first athletic moving guy, Sugar Ray Robinson, who I still watch and study.
01:16:49.000That is the blueprint of the greatest of all time.
01:17:55.000Uh, Bruce Lee, he came out, um, when I think the, it was either when he fought Donnie Lalonde or when he fought Hearns the second time, it was cold fighting Caesars.
01:18:05.000He came out in a Kung Fu suit, not the yellow and black, but the traditional black, you know, style.
01:19:16.000You know, I mean, what he, I want, my goal, like, with what I'm trying to do, I want to be an Apple-type product that changes people's lives with martial arts, you know?
01:19:26.000I want to, I just, every day I try and think of, like, we were training a round kick today, and I probably show you something a little different every time.
01:25:21.000So, yeah, it's our warm-up to the pay-per-view.
01:25:24.000Now, hey, I got to tell you, normally these guys are kind of reserved, but Rico Verhoeven and Daniel Gita were going at each other on Twitter.
01:25:33.000I think Gita's been calling Rico, they call him the prince of kickboxing.
01:28:06.000I mean, I think Bazooka Joe's going to be tough to beat in the single-fight format.
01:28:11.000Yeah, I gotta tell you, I don't particularly like the tournament format because I think it's unfair.
01:28:17.000If a guy has one fight early and he knocks the guy out in the first round, whereas his opponent might have to go a fourth round because the three rounds have gone to a draw, I think that's crazy to have those two guys fight afterwards.
01:28:28.000I know it's kind of exciting, but I don't think it's fair to the athletes.
01:28:32.000I've loved that Glory has done our five-round title fights.
01:28:36.000It's just been magnificent because we see the art of fighting.
01:35:08.000Well, he's got a thick Dutch accent these days.
01:35:11.000So it's hard to tell if he's slurring his words?
01:35:15.000That's a weird moment, isn't it, when you're talking to a fighter and you know for sure something's going on that didn't used to be going on?
01:36:32.000It is horrible, and it's very unfortunate.
01:36:34.000It's unfortunate that a lot of those guys get into that position, whether they're reporters or what have you, and they start talking shit about fighters after their performance, questioning their heart and courage.
01:36:44.000Look, you can say that a guy didn't have a good performance.
01:36:47.000You can give an assessment of their performance.
01:36:49.000When you start making character assessments and character judgments, you're stepping way out of line.
01:36:55.000Hey, do you ever have bad days at work?
01:38:40.000I mean, he didn't want to, you know, he's a smart...
01:38:42.000He got left hooked by Tyron Spong, and Spong hit him with this left hook, or Gokhan Sakai hit him with this left hook, and blood started pouring out of it, and he was just, like, touching his ears, like, this is over.
01:41:43.000So if you're training Anthony Pettis, world champion, say if you're training him for his title defense against Gilbert Melendez, which is going to be a great fight.
01:44:51.000Everyone's wearing helmet, everyone's wearing high-end gear, so no one's getting hurt.
01:44:56.000Because it's those wild scrambles in MMA where you get in weird positions, the wrestling, and awkward positions where you're getting hurt or collisions.
01:45:05.000And then after that practice, he'll rest up and he'll come back and do We're good to go.
01:48:26.000You know, you gotta be, there's gotta be something special in you that doesn't tick like other people that makes you want to get into a ring and fight for amusement for people.
01:48:39.000And for a bunch of people that are going to go online and call you a loser.
01:48:44.000You know, people, what I miss the most about fights, it's not the paparazzi.
01:48:52.000I love that moment, especially if you're the main event.
01:48:56.000You go back to the locker room, there's no one freaking there.
01:48:59.000Like people thought like when all the people back home in Milwaukee, they're so supportive and we have this big circle of people to help out.
01:51:35.000I gotta spar a lot, train a lot, just to have fun.
01:51:38.000When I get hurt and can't train, that's when I, like, or I just, or if it gets to where I'm too busy and I can't be on the mat actually doing it, that's when I get crazy thoughts like, Ooh, I might need something to motivate myself, like a fight.
01:51:55.000I try and justify these stupid stories in my brain why I should do it.
01:52:00.000Do you ever justify, like, maybe I should fight MMA, it'll help my MMA coaching?
01:52:04.000I was supposed to fight in 2007 for the CFFC, the...
01:59:49.000You can see how good he was, that he was a fucking former middleweight in the Olympics, won the super middleweight championship, won the light heavyweight championship, went up to fucking heavyweight and outboxed the shit out of John Ruiz, who was a former heavyweight champion.
02:00:56.000Glenn Johnson knocked him out, and that was even scarier because he went out from a punch that didn't even look like that big of a punch, but was out completely out cold.
02:03:26.000The action's like now, and then, oh, that fight's over, a knockout, cool, let's bring another fight in.
02:03:31.000But don't you like a fight like the Maidana-Mayweather fight, where Maidana comes on strong in the beginning, but Floyd levels him out and starts to pick up the pace in the fifth and sixth rounds and starts to dominate the fight down the stretch?
02:03:42.000For the guys who are making a lot of money, the 12-rounders are great.
02:03:46.000The guys who fight on ESPN Friday Night Fights for 10 and 12, they're making 10 grand.
02:03:50.000And then they're so busted up, they can't fight as much as kickboxers and MMA fighters.
02:04:29.000I would think that with boxing, it would actually be easier to fight a 10-minute round than it would be to MMA. Like, those pride guys that fought those 10-minute rounds.
02:05:17.000I thought Pride was fun to watch, but from a technical standpoint, I would watch the way they would fight.
02:05:21.000I would say, well, some guys are going to give people some problems, like Ninja and Shogun, and all these guys are going to give people some problems, but I would look at the elite of the elite guys.
02:05:32.000It's like, hmm, like George St. Pierre or someone like that.
02:05:49.000That's been the knock on Shogun, that he doesn't really enjoy completely dedicating himself to training and being an animal in the gym constantly.
02:05:59.000If you're not that guy, you're never going to be able to compete with those world-class fighters.
02:06:02.000You're not going to beat a Jon Jones if you don't like training.
02:08:04.000I actually went to broadcasting school with Bruce Beck in New York, the original UFC. Bruce Beck gave me some good pointers when I worked with him.
02:09:26.000I'm having so much fun doing it because I even respond in my forum, Q&A, put up cool videos.
02:09:33.000I'm a teacher at heart, so I love interacting.
02:09:37.000I have a student now who's in from Ireland.
02:09:39.000I've just had someone coming from Tech.
02:09:41.000Well, you're saying something really cool about your university, your online university, that when you sign up for it, you get a free week at your gym.
02:09:48.000So if they decide to travel down to Mecca and make their way In Milwaukee, they could train with you for a week.
02:10:45.000And your university is a great resource for someone who maybe doesn't have a Duke Rufus in their city because it's hard to find a really good high-level kickboxing camp.
02:10:55.000If you're stuck in a town that doesn't have a good martial arts school, you can learn really high-level instruction online, apply those techniques, videotape yourself, analyze it, compare yourself.
02:13:55.000Well, Edson Barboza with that wheel kick of Terry Adam.
02:13:57.000All of a sudden, everybody wants to throw wheel kicks.
02:13:59.000And then you see Vitor do it to Luke Rockhold, and then Junior Dos Santos do it to Mark Hunt.
02:14:04.000I mean, you start to see that everybody knows that this technique is really viable, and then you start seeing it over and over and over again.
02:14:10.000It's a copycat sport in a lot of ways.
02:14:32.000We don't know because you're seeing girls who have been able to defend it a couple of times, like Misha Tate in the last fight defended it a couple of times.
02:14:41.000I mean, she did a really good job defending it until she finally got caught.
02:15:20.000I mean, she couldn't chew food right for a week after that.
02:15:24.000If that happened, and let's say it's some real high-level world champion Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belt, what would happen then?
02:15:31.000I mean, that's going to be really interesting.
02:15:33.000But then again, the Ronda Rousey that fought Liz Carmouche and the Ronda Rousey that you're going to get today, you're getting a way better Ronda.
02:15:41.000You're getting a Ronda that's way better in the clinch at delivering shots, like Sarah McMahon knocked her out with that fucking liver body, the knee to the liver.
02:17:45.000But fucking Ben Askren is one of the best grapplers.
02:17:48.000As far as a guy who could take a guy that's a really tough, like really dangerous, big, lightweight, really strong, or welterweight rather, big, strong guy, and just toss him around, ragdoll him, take him down at will.
02:18:08.000Which is one of the reasons why me, as a fan of just the martial arts period, I'm a fan of...
02:18:14.000I think that one of the things that martial arts represents, what mixed martial arts represents, is potential scenarios and how do you overcome potential scenarios.
02:18:23.000If everybody agreed, okay, no more takedowns.
02:19:44.000There's no lucky punches, but if I zig when I could, you go to sleep easy and striking.
02:19:49.000So, if you're not, that's why I teach all my guys to make sure they get good at wrestling, make sure they get good at jiu-jitsu, because if you're struggling, say you break your hand.
02:26:00.000You know, I mean, it's, uh, but, I mean, I was there with, you know, there's Tim Sylvia, Rothwell, Cessna Levitch, Rory Markham, uh, Jens, uh, the dentist, Josh Sneer,
02:26:40.000He had like this shoulder lock where he'd stick his half leg into my hip and lock my shoulder and it was like the most painful submission I've ever been in.
02:26:48.000Nicest guy, but if his legs were not cut off, he'd be super tall.
02:31:59.000He went, earned his degree in college, once he graduated from college, moved up to Milwaukee, won the RFA title, and then he's now in the UFC living the dream.
02:32:06.000But what I love about him is he's so positive about the shit life he comes from.
02:32:19.000His life is happy now because of that, because he's overcome.
02:32:22.000Yeah, and just, I mean, even my guy Rick Glenn, his sister's dying of cancer, and he had to cancel out of the fight earlier this year, and he's struggling.
02:32:31.000He's going to win that belt Saturday, and he's going to dedicate it to his sister, who's, you know, been in hospice struggling.
02:32:37.000I love the character and the strength of the people I'm around.
02:38:21.000Like, and, you know, that's why I love that, you know, whether it's you go do it at a jiu-jitsu tournament, wrestling match, whatever, man.
02:38:31.000Like, getting in a mano-a-mano situation is...
02:38:36.000Until you've done one-on-one sports, you just don't know what I'm talking about.
02:41:19.000There's a cool speech he has where he's like, five minutes before in the locker room, I'm getting my gloved up, I'm pounding the leather, and I'm scared.
02:41:28.000He's been training for me, and I go out there.
02:41:31.000But then when I walk to the ring, I feel like a god.
02:41:34.000And then when I walk to the ring, I look at him.
02:43:00.000And then, you know, how many times on the high level you confront with each other?
02:43:05.000That's what I love about little shows.
02:43:06.000You see the dude at the weigh-in and then you show up and kick his ass.
02:43:10.000But on the big show, man, you're constantly forced to be with that dude.
02:43:15.000And that's something that folks don't...
02:43:17.000Take into account when they think about a fight, a championship fight, the amount of press these guys have to do, and the amount of interviews they have to do, the same questions they have to answer over and over and over again, morning radio shows, interviews with reporters, enough, enough, enough, enough.
02:43:30.000It's an added element, stressful element.
02:43:32.000People who can handle the big light media.
02:47:12.000Sorry I don't want you to get your face rearranged.
02:47:14.000Yeah, dealing with adversity in all forms.
02:47:17.000Verbal adversity and if you can calm yourself down during those horrible moments of Duke Rufus screaming at you.
02:47:23.000Yeah, I mean, that's not always, but I mean, I just know, my brother, you know what, I'll describe, my sister died when I was 15, and I found her dad, she died of SIDS, it was pretty tough.
02:47:36.000It's probably why I didn't have a kid for a long time, honestly, that's why my wife and I, you know, later in life, and it's pretty traumatic for me.
02:47:44.000Needless to say, it's not feel sorry for Duke, it's just what I figured out, and I feel better now about it, but I was 16, I I've been doing martial arts my whole life, but I said I want to be a fighter.
02:47:55.000My brother is older than me, he's 20, he's already world champ, and Rick was a killer.
02:47:59.000The scene out of Godfather, remember when Michael goes, you know, I want to be in the family business.
02:48:06.000And my brother's like Sonny, a hothead, like, this ain't for you, kid.
02:48:11.000Remember he goes, you're used to shooting him from far away.
02:51:48.000There's so many guys that get knocked out in training, and then they go to the fight, and then they get clipped by one shot, and their body just gives out.
02:52:14.000You think you're some bad mofo, you know?
02:52:18.000I don't think I had gotten stopped by someone since Mike Bernardo in 96. So I hadn't been stopped, rocked, put on my ass by anyone since that point.