The Joe Rogan Experience - June 27, 2014


Joe Rogan Experience #516 - Lewis, from Unbox Therapy


Episode Stats

Length

2 hours and 54 minutes

Words per Minute

189.78024

Word Count

33,104

Sentence Count

3,580

Misogynist Sentences

61

Hate Speech Sentences

38


Summary

In this episode of the podcast, we talk about Dr. Oz, fat loss, and porn stars. We also talk about a new invention that could change the way you think about sex, and why you should never go on a date with someone you don t know. Logo by Courtney DeKorte. Theme by Mavus White. Music by PSOVOD and tyops. This episode is brought to you by Stamps, a super easy and convenient way to ship things if you have a business, if you do things out of your home, or do things in your office, you can print... why does this sound weird? Why does it sound weird?? Does something sound weird?! It's the easiest way to send anything through the mail you don't have to fuck with the post office. You do it all from your desk, whether your desk at your office or at home desk at home, and you can save up to 80% compared to a postage meter. And again, use the code "JRE" when you click on the microphone in the upper right-hand corner and get your $110 bonus offer. We're also bringing you Onnit, a human optimization website that helps you optimize your life, your relationship, and your life on a daily basis. Onnit is a human optimist website. Onnit.co.nz/OnnitT, a Human Optimist is a company that helps people optimize their life, their relationship, their relationships, and their health and their overall well-being. And they help people get the most out of their day-to-day life, and they do it the best way they can do so they can be the best they can, the most they can. It s the most efficient way to live the most productive, healthiest, most productive and most fun they can possibly be. We love you, and most importantly, they are the most beautiful people in the most authentic version of themselves. Enjoy, beautiful people of the internet. . Thank you so much for listening and supporting the podcast! We appreciate you, you are amazing! - thank you, thank you for listening, we really appreciate it, we appreciate you. xoxo, bye, bye. - EJ, EJ - Matt, Sarah, Cheers, Emily, and Landon, - P.S. - Caitlyn,


Transcript

00:00:02.000 Hello, beautiful people of the internet.
00:00:04.000 It's time to party again.
00:00:05.000 Oh, shit.
00:00:07.000 Yeah!
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00:01:11.000 This is one of the new ones.
00:01:12.000 That blue one, is that a concept?
00:01:14.000 Or is that one?
00:01:15.000 All the new ones are concepts.
00:01:17.000 I'm at...
00:01:17.000 I'm creating a whole new store.
00:01:19.000 It's going to be a big store, and all these new ones are test products.
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00:02:31.000 That's O-N-N-I-T, a human optimization website.
00:02:35.000 What we try to do at Onnit.com is Look, I'm a big fan of supplements.
00:02:40.000 Some people aren't, and I completely and totally understand that.
00:02:43.000 If you're curious, though, about supplements and curious of the benefits of supplements, I believe that the benefits are substantial.
00:02:50.000 Especially if you pay attention to, I mean, there's always going to be weird fat loss claims.
00:02:56.000 Have you guys seen all this shit with Dr. Oz?
00:02:58.000 Yeah.
00:02:58.000 Dr. Oz is fucked, dude.
00:03:01.000 He's fucked.
00:03:02.000 They brought that guy in front of...
00:03:03.000 What was it, Congress they brought him in front of?
00:03:06.000 That's not good, son.
00:03:07.000 No.
00:03:08.000 Because he's a liar.
00:03:09.000 He's a creepy liar saying he's got miracle cures and these little berries that they make pills out of.
00:03:14.000 They give him kickbacks.
00:03:16.000 Doctors are human beings, ladies and gentlemen.
00:03:19.000 And sometimes doctors do creepy shit.
00:03:21.000 And that is a creepy fuck.
00:03:22.000 The fat thing to me is...
00:03:24.000 It's insidious.
00:03:26.000 It's extra creepy.
00:03:28.000 The fat thing is a self-esteem thing.
00:03:32.000 It's a discipline thing.
00:03:34.000 It's a health thing.
00:03:35.000 There's so much connected to fat.
00:03:37.000 To me, it drives me more nutty than people that are claiming that are making your dick bigger.
00:03:43.000 Because that's just so stupid.
00:03:44.000 If you buy big dick pills, you're just an idiot.
00:03:47.000 But the fat thing is like, God, you're sad and you're just thinking, if I could just get rid of all this extra me.
00:03:53.000 It's the porn of vitamins and supplements, though.
00:03:55.000 That sells the most of any other thing that you'll ever see.
00:03:58.000 That's why they always have celebrities like Anna Nicole Smith, Dr. Phil, and all that stuff like that.
00:04:03.000 Dr. Phil does it?
00:04:04.000 Or, I mean, Dr. Oz.
00:04:05.000 I'm sure Dr. Phil does some.
00:04:06.000 What you need to do to make your relationship better is lose some fucking weight.
00:04:12.000 You gotta wonder what it is about a doctor getting on TV as well.
00:04:16.000 The motivation.
00:04:18.000 That is true.
00:04:19.000 I was talking to a researcher, a friend of mine from up in Canada, and he said you always have to, and that was his take on it, that there becomes an issue, even with super intelligent people.
00:04:30.000 When you become a celebrity, when you're a celebrity doctor, when you're a celebrity astronomer, when you're a celebrity whatever, that there's the pitfalls of fame that fall into that and the monetary benefits of twisting information in one way or another Like what Dr. Oz is doing.
00:04:47.000 He's obviously getting paid by these companies to say that they have these fat pills.
00:04:51.000 But he's so stupid, man.
00:04:53.000 They asked him, would you say that a pill is a miracle?
00:04:57.000 And he's like, no, I thought the word miracle.
00:04:59.000 I mean, you certainly couldn't say a miracle in terms of, you said miracle on your show, you fuckhead!
00:05:04.000 More than one.
00:05:05.000 They showed, was it Jon Stewart or that other guy?
00:05:07.000 The new guy on HBO? Who's the new guy on HBO with the glasses?
00:05:11.000 John Oliver.
00:05:12.000 I trust people with English accent and glasses.
00:05:14.000 Implicitly.
00:05:16.000 Immediately trust those guys.
00:05:17.000 But he's really good.
00:05:19.000 His show is really good.
00:05:20.000 And he did a fantastic thing.
00:05:21.000 Breaking down what a scumbag Dr. Oz is.
00:05:24.000 It's a really good video.
00:05:25.000 Sometimes you see those infomercials where there'll be a doctor who will vouch for something that's happening there.
00:05:31.000 You almost wonder if there shouldn't be some kind of regulation.
00:05:33.000 If that's some kind of abuse of their position in society or something.
00:05:38.000 Well, it's abusive, and here's one of the more insidious things about it.
00:05:43.000 The real problem is there are things out there that can benefit you, but the only way to find out is to get things that have been backed by science.
00:05:50.000 Double-blind, placebo-controlled tests, things that have been done where you know for sure, and getting back to Onnit.
00:05:57.000 All the stuff that we sell is stuff that we...
00:05:59.000 There's a history of human use, it goes back a long time, and there's research pages on every one of the supplements.
00:06:06.000 And supplements are just a part of what we sell on it, but I think that supplements can give you things that you're just not going to get from your diet.
00:06:14.000 When it comes to alpha brain, nootropics and things along those lines, the amount of food that you would have to eat to get the same nutrients that you would get from four alpha brain pills is pretty fucking substantial.
00:06:26.000 You'd have to eat like bowls of moss and You've got to keep that shit fresh and you wouldn't be able to take it on a plane.
00:06:32.000 There's a lot of issues with it.
00:06:34.000 Also, I think that when we isolate and locate various components of food that are beneficial for people, that is a scientific thing.
00:06:44.000 There's this idea of anti-science in connection to nutrients and vitamins.
00:06:48.000 And nothing could be crazier.
00:06:50.000 The issue is...
00:06:52.000 That some of them are being sold without this science.
00:06:55.000 And that some of them are just bullshit.
00:06:58.000 And we at Onnit are very committed to making sure anything we sell has some sort of benefit that's absolutely provable.
00:07:07.000 If you go to AlphaBrain and read the research page, we've conducted our own studies.
00:07:12.000 We're in the middle of the second one right now.
00:07:15.000 We conducted one, a double-blind, placebo-controlled study.
00:07:18.000 That showed benefit in memory.
00:07:20.000 It showed a couple statistically measurable numbers.
00:07:25.000 And you can see those.
00:07:27.000 We have it all listed.
00:07:27.000 And we also have all the data that is currently available, all the studies that have been done on the individual ingredients, which is very important to point out.
00:07:38.000 Sell anything before we do it.
00:07:39.000 We make sure that there's data on the individual ingredients first.
00:07:43.000 The idea behind things like AlphaBrain are that you can combine various nutrients and use them in a synergistic fashion.
00:07:51.000 Boy, I sound smart when I say that, but I'm actually really dumb.
00:07:53.000 So don't listen to me.
00:07:55.000 Go to Onnit.com and read all that shit.
00:07:57.000 On top of that, we sell the very best strength and conditioning equipment that you could buy.
00:08:01.000 I like kettlebells.
00:08:03.000 I'm a huge fan of them because I believe that when you're swinging things and using momentum and using your whole body as one unit, it mimics actions that you would have in the real world.
00:08:15.000 Even just moving furniture or something like that.
00:08:18.000 There's kettlebell exercises that would make you better at picking up shit and moving around your house.
00:08:22.000 It's as practical as that.
00:08:23.000 Kettlebell swings, when you're doing pass-throughs in between your legs, like you're doing figure eights in between your legs with kettlebells, when you're doing cleans and presses and cleans and jerks.
00:08:33.000 All those different exercises strengthen your whole body as an individual unit and when it comes to The term human optimization, I mean, that embodies it, in my opinion.
00:08:43.000 That's what I'm interested in.
00:08:45.000 I think the human body should be like a race car.
00:08:48.000 And I think that if you have a race car, and for whatever reason, you don't want to put race fuel in it, and for whatever reason, you don't want to give it a 500 horsepower engine, and for whatever reason, you don't want to give it big, fat tires that grip the road, guess what, fuckface?
00:09:00.000 Your race car is going to suck.
00:09:02.000 It's just going to suck.
00:09:03.000 It's just not going to work as well as a race car that is...
00:09:07.000 Designed and constructed by a guy who took his body or a gal who took their body and Did the best thing they could do for it drank a lot of water ate fresh leafy green vegetables takes in a lot of high-quality protein and exercise make that motherfucker work you You've got to exercise.
00:09:24.000 It's one of the most critical parts of life.
00:09:26.000 Because if your body doesn't think that it has to do anything, guess what?
00:09:30.000 It just starts to go soft and get useless.
00:09:32.000 If your body doesn't think that it has to work, it goes, well, we don't have to use any resources staying healthy and fit.
00:09:38.000 Let's just fucking turn into a ball of mush.
00:09:40.000 Don't let that shit happen to you people.
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00:09:57.000 Hey man, I took new mood.
00:09:58.000 I didn't feel any better.
00:09:59.000 Well, you're a fucking freak.
00:10:01.000 Here's your money back.
00:10:02.000 Okay?
00:10:03.000 And if you're mad at us, you're selling snake oil.
00:10:06.000 Go read the research behind it.
00:10:07.000 There's a reason why we sell it.
00:10:09.000 And the reason is we are trying to give people an edge.
00:10:12.000 An edge in life.
00:10:13.000 An edge that I, myself, personally enjoy.
00:10:16.000 God, that sounds douchey.
00:10:17.000 But it is true.
00:10:18.000 I think you get an edge in how I... I will say it in reference to my own self because it's the only reference I really have.
00:10:24.000 I don't know how other people feel.
00:10:25.000 But my own self.
00:10:26.000 When I'm eating healthy, I exercise regularly, and I take supplements, I feel better.
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00:10:36.000 Again, tonight...
00:10:38.000 Is there any tickets left?
00:10:40.000 Yeah, there's still tickets left.
00:10:42.000 Icehousecomedy.com.
00:10:43.000 It's Sarah Tiana, Joe Rogan...
00:10:46.000 Tony Hinchcliffe, Greg Fitzsimmons, and myself.
00:10:50.000 Powerful!
00:10:50.000 Powerful show.
00:10:51.000 And it's in the little room at the Ice House, which is so much fun.
00:10:54.000 And by the way, Joey Diaz and Mad Flavor, a.k.a.
00:11:00.000 Mad Flavor, rather, and Dom Herrera will be at the Ice House in the big room at the same time.
00:11:04.000 So it's a fucking party at the Ice House.
00:11:07.000 It's going to be a great night at the Ice House.
00:11:08.000 My friends!
00:11:10.000 All right.
00:11:10.000 Without any further ado, Lewis from Unbox Therapy is here.
00:11:14.000 Let's fucking geek out.
00:11:17.000 Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out!
00:11:20.000 The Joe Rogan Experience.
00:11:22.000 Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night!
00:11:25.000 All day!
00:11:27.000 I love when a dude shows up at a podcast and he's got a bunch of shit that if I saw on a shelf I'd be like, ooh, what's that?
00:11:32.000 Yeah, I figured coming straight from Google I.O. that it would make a lot of sense to bring some of this stuff inside.
00:11:38.000 It would have been a shame to leave it out there.
00:11:39.000 What exactly is Google I.O.? It's their developers conference, so it's focused on bringing together people that are making apps sort of...
00:11:49.000 Google-centric type of applications, but it's also turned into a consumer-facing conference because a lot of people are paying attention at that time.
00:11:57.000 I think they had a million concurrent streamers of the actual event.
00:12:02.000 A million?
00:12:03.000 A million worldwide.
00:12:05.000 Concurrent.
00:12:05.000 Concurrent.
00:12:06.000 Jesus Christ.
00:12:07.000 I know.
00:12:07.000 That's incredible.
00:12:08.000 It sounded like too much to me, but I'm not going to question Google.
00:12:11.000 Well, that's a good television show on HBO. Yeah.
00:12:16.000 Isn't it?
00:12:16.000 I mean, what does Game of Thrones get on Sunday night?
00:12:19.000 I don't know if they do it concurrent.
00:12:21.000 I guess it would be.
00:12:22.000 I would imagine.
00:12:23.000 I mean, a lot of it's DVR'd in this day and age.
00:12:26.000 That's what I was wondering.
00:12:26.000 Almost everything's DVR'd.
00:12:28.000 So it has to be an event where you sort of feel like you need to catch it live or else you're going to miss something.
00:12:34.000 Whereas, I mean, you could watch the Google I.O. conference after, but...
00:12:38.000 Yeah, a lot of people paying a lot of attention to the things they were doing.
00:12:41.000 What are those Macworld conferences?
00:12:42.000 Those are the big ones, right?
00:12:43.000 Not anymore.
00:12:44.000 They're not big.
00:12:45.000 Not anymore.
00:12:47.000 WWDC, Apple holds its own conferences now.
00:12:49.000 So Macworld was actually an independent body, and they just used it as a vehicle to introduce new products.
00:12:55.000 It was like a convention for Apple and Apple-related stuff.
00:12:59.000 Right.
00:12:59.000 And they decided to opt out of all...
00:13:06.000 We're good to go.
00:13:19.000 Yeah, the controlled environment?
00:13:21.000 Yeah.
00:13:22.000 Definitely.
00:13:22.000 Always has been.
00:13:23.000 For sure.
00:13:25.000 I mean, there's good sides and bad sides to that kind of approach.
00:13:29.000 Obviously, controlling the entire software and hardware experience means that you're going to get a product that generally is fairly polished, but from an innovation standpoint, it means you're sort of cutting off your limbs in a sense that you're not bringing people into that development circle that might have otherwise been there because it is sort of a walled garden effect.
00:13:49.000 Isn't that fascinating?
00:13:50.000 I always remember back in the day when the clones were legal.
00:13:54.000 Oh, right.
00:13:55.000 Apple clones.
00:13:56.000 You'd be able to go, and there were stores that would construct you an Apple computer.
00:14:01.000 You mean like semi-recently, like Hackintoshes, they were called.
00:14:03.000 Yeah, but not even semi-recently.
00:14:05.000 A long time ago.
00:14:06.000 It used to be actual retail distributors.
00:14:08.000 Right, right, right.
00:14:08.000 Used to sell Mac products.
00:14:10.000 I recall.
00:14:10.000 Way more powerful than Apple was making.
00:14:13.000 Right, right, right.
00:14:13.000 They would sell them with five fucking hard drives.
00:14:15.000 Right, right, right.
00:14:16.000 And souped up.
00:14:16.000 I built a couple of them myself.
00:14:18.000 Did you really?
00:14:18.000 Yeah, way back.
00:14:19.000 And then Apple just put the kibosh on that.
00:14:21.000 Yeah, I can almost remember the name of the big company.
00:14:25.000 It was like either Cylon or Cy something.
00:14:28.000 Yes, I think it was Cylon.
00:14:29.000 And there was some kind of court case and they had to stop.
00:14:33.000 I don't think you want to go up against Apple in court.
00:14:35.000 Well, back then Apple was way weaker but still formidable.
00:14:38.000 Still scary as hell, man.
00:14:40.000 Yeah.
00:14:41.000 So they now are the one computer.
00:14:44.000 But the problem is, if you look at it from the product point of view, they make the best shit.
00:14:49.000 They just do.
00:14:50.000 They make the best laptops.
00:14:51.000 They make the best desktops.
00:14:53.000 They make the shit that crashes the least.
00:14:55.000 They make the operating system that's the most beautiful.
00:14:57.000 I would say they make the best shit for the most people.
00:15:00.000 For the most people.
00:15:00.000 Yeah, because I think that if you really want to get in there and tinker, if you're a heavy-duty power user, then a lot of this, like you look at this MacBook Air or your MacBook Pro, There's so much of it that's embedded.
00:15:12.000 It requires the entire package topper.
00:15:14.000 You want to go in there and put more RAM in it or something, or swap out a hard drive.
00:15:18.000 It's not going to happen.
00:15:19.000 You've got to bring it somewhere, and the geniuses, the Apple geniuses, how pretentious you feel.
00:15:25.000 Look, I love Apple, but how fucking dare you?
00:15:28.000 How do you feel about the Apple Store experience in general?
00:15:30.000 I enjoy it, you know, for the most part.
00:15:33.000 Right.
00:15:33.000 I think it's a very busy place when it comes to selling computers.
00:15:36.000 Right.
00:15:37.000 Remember when Windows tried to have a Windows store?
00:15:39.000 I think they're still trying.
00:15:41.000 You could coyote hunt in there.
00:15:42.000 Yeah, right.
00:15:43.000 You could fucking find coyotes hiding out in the back.
00:15:45.000 Well, the thing is...
00:15:47.000 Nobody in those fucking things, man.
00:15:49.000 I took a picture of an empty one before and tweeted it out and everybody got it.
00:15:54.000 They're not known for selling hardware, right?
00:15:57.000 They were a software company.
00:15:58.000 You see a Microsoft sign in a mall, it's like, what am I buying here?
00:16:03.000 Well, as an ignorant person, ignorant as far as development of a product like a laptop, I'm pretty ignorant.
00:16:11.000 I don't know too much other than the things I vaguely paid attention to online.
00:16:15.000 What is stopping someone from making a super high-end Windows laptop that looks like this, that feels like this?
00:16:21.000 Oh, there are so many that look and feel like this.
00:16:24.000 Are they this high quality?
00:16:25.000 Mm-hmm.
00:16:26.000 And they give you the same experience?
00:16:27.000 No, because you're running Windows.
00:16:29.000 That's right!
00:16:31.000 Why is Windows so much worse?
00:16:33.000 They have so much money.
00:16:34.000 They dropped the ball.
00:16:35.000 How bad did they drop it?
00:16:36.000 Pretty bad.
00:16:36.000 After the Windows ME experience of 1999. It's not just like they dropped the ball.
00:16:41.000 They dropped it, and then they shit on it, and then they fell on it, and then they broke their hip.
00:16:45.000 I don't want to speak for everyone, but I don't recall an experience with Windows where I cracked open a laptop lid and felt that kind of experience ever.
00:16:55.000 So even when XP was the thing, or even before that, 95, or however far back you want to go, you didn't get that same pleasure you get out of booting up an Apple product and getting into the OS and seeing the cohesion of the whole thing.
00:17:08.000 Windows, even in the old days, was sort of like a necessary evil.
00:17:12.000 Windows was the way to get to the shit you actually liked, whether you wanted to load a game or a web browser or whatever.
00:17:17.000 But on its own, it's always been utilitarian.
00:17:20.000 It's always been ugly.
00:17:21.000 Yeah, I always envy the dudes who ran NT. Yeah.
00:17:24.000 The Windows NT guys.
00:17:25.000 Those are the guys that are really new things.
00:17:27.000 Oh, right.
00:17:27.000 He's running NT. Oh, NT. There's a bunch of shit you couldn't get, like drivers for certain video cards.
00:17:34.000 If you wanted to play games, if you ran NT, it'd be a real issue.
00:17:37.000 People do that now with Linux.
00:17:39.000 That's sort of the counterculture OS. Off the grid, open source.
00:17:46.000 Savages.
00:17:46.000 Yeah.
00:17:47.000 IBM actually originally innovated that, and now I don't know who.
00:17:51.000 I think it's just open source.
00:17:52.000 I don't know if it's in anyone's hands now.
00:17:54.000 I do think Apple is the best of making an operating system slowly die like a cancer instead of just immediately.
00:18:02.000 I'm going through an experience right now where...
00:18:05.000 My iMac is just dying.
00:18:08.000 It's the operating system's dying.
00:18:10.000 I redid it from scratch.
00:18:11.000 I put new memory in it and stuff like that.
00:18:13.000 The operating system's just saying, like, this model, you need to replace it soon.
00:18:18.000 This is the Brian Red Band conspiracy theory.
00:18:21.000 Ongoing conspiracy theory when it comes to operating systems.
00:18:23.000 But they do it with iPhones.
00:18:24.000 Everyone knows you have an iPhone 4 and you get the new operating system.
00:18:28.000 You got all the new updates.
00:18:29.000 That's going to be way slower.
00:18:30.000 Even some programs might not work on it.
00:18:31.000 Well, it's not always the case.
00:18:33.000 That does happen.
00:18:34.000 Right.
00:18:34.000 There are sometimes things that happen within an OS that require more hardware to be able to perform at the same level of speed.
00:18:42.000 Not in Brian's world.
00:18:43.000 It's a goddamn conspiracy.
00:18:44.000 Trying to get people to buy these new fucking things.
00:18:47.000 Well, I mean, if you want to get a Mac Pro, go for it.
00:18:50.000 They're beautiful things.
00:18:51.000 But it seems like...
00:18:52.000 With this or with a Samsung Galaxy Note 3 or whatever.
00:18:56.000 When new shit gets made, new possibilities, you're going to need more processing power.
00:19:02.000 Apps require more.
00:19:03.000 The new videos that they're taking, the new photographs, we take bursts of photographs.
00:19:08.000 God, there's got to be some processing going on.
00:19:11.000 You're going to need a faster rig.
00:19:13.000 That's just the way it is.
00:19:14.000 There's no doubt that, especially on Apple products, but in general...
00:19:18.000 There's this structure built in where the expectation is to upgrade your device every time that contract is up, right?
00:19:24.000 Well, I think there's no option.
00:19:26.000 If you're in the game, if you're in this loving electronics game that everyone in this room is in, we're all fucking dorkenheimers when it comes to new electronics.
00:19:36.000 When you're in that game, you have to keep up.
00:19:38.000 If you do not keep up, if you try to run an iPhone 3 on the newest iPhone software, it's just going to be clunky because the iPhone 3 didn't have near the capabilities.
00:19:47.000 And these new applications, the video that you can take, the photos you can take, the new weird things, you can measure your heartbeat with your camera lens.
00:19:56.000 With this watch.
00:19:57.000 You can do it with your watch, but your iPhone can do it or an Android phone can do it just by holding your finger over the camera lens.
00:20:06.000 Jamie showed it to me.
00:20:07.000 I didn't think it would work.
00:20:09.000 How does that work?
00:20:10.000 I don't believe it's accurate.
00:20:11.000 It's super accurate.
00:20:12.000 I did it with a regular heart monitor.
00:20:14.000 Yeah, I did it with a chest heart monitor and I did it with that at the same time.
00:20:18.000 It's dead on.
00:20:19.000 It's dead on.
00:20:20.000 I have a new watch, though, that does it on your wrist.
00:20:22.000 You don't have to wear a chest strap anymore.
00:20:25.000 He's got the newest watch that we just announced, which is amazing.
00:20:28.000 Yeah, we're actually just talking about it.
00:20:28.000 You can see it on the bottom there.
00:20:30.000 Yeah.
00:20:31.000 That's the heart monitor on the bottom?
00:20:32.000 Yeah, it's the optical.
00:20:33.000 Oh, that's so pretty.
00:20:34.000 Let me see.
00:20:35.000 Oh, so pretty.
00:20:37.000 How'd you make it green?
00:20:38.000 It was green for a second.
00:20:39.000 Oh, it might have just...
00:20:40.000 Oh, look at that.
00:20:41.000 Yeah, it might have gone into sleep mode or something.
00:20:43.000 What's the model of that watch?
00:20:45.000 So that's the Gear Live, they're calling it, which is kind of bizarre.
00:20:49.000 They tried to get me into this at the Verizon store.
00:20:51.000 I told them to go fuck themselves.
00:20:52.000 Yeah, they probably tried to get you into the old version of it because this isn't even on the market yet.
00:20:57.000 Ah, you devil!
00:20:58.000 You're one of those guys.
00:20:59.000 Yeah.
00:20:59.000 Ooh, look at that collar I made it to.
00:21:02.000 Oh, I made it go green.
00:21:04.000 It's pretty.
00:21:05.000 The difference here between the previous Samsung watches and this one is this is the first to be running the open platform that Google has created.
00:21:15.000 So not a modified version of software.
00:21:18.000 It's running something called Android Wear.
00:21:20.000 And what Google is hoping to do on your wrist is essentially replicate what they've done on the phone.
00:21:26.000 And if you're looking at it, this is the wrist thing.
00:21:28.000 That The thing in there is the monitor.
00:21:30.000 That's right.
00:21:31.000 So it's optical.
00:21:31.000 It's actually going to look under the surface of your skin.
00:21:34.000 And it has a clasp on the back that locks into place.
00:21:37.000 It's very well designed.
00:21:38.000 It's crazy.
00:21:39.000 And so the beauty of this going this direction with it is if you can build a platform instead of a one-off device, then the likelihood that a developer will jump into it and build something really cool that you never foresaw happening is that much higher because of the mass market effect.
00:21:57.000 If everyone's running the same software on their wrist, it's better for everyone.
00:22:02.000 So there's this kind of love-hate relationship between Samsung and Google over this, because for the longest time, Samsung has been trying to diminish its reliance on Google as a whole.
00:22:14.000 For their brand, it's so essential for them to sell products, and so they've been moving into some different operating systems now that are not very good, but independent of Google.
00:22:24.000 Yeah.
00:22:24.000 This is awesome, man.
00:22:26.000 This is really cool.
00:22:27.000 Yeah, so I can tell you some of what it does.
00:22:29.000 I mean, it's not really that much new comparative to the old smartwatches.
00:22:33.000 Essentially, you're going to get your notifications here.
00:22:35.000 It has a microphone on it so that you can input voice commands, etc.
00:22:40.000 If you, for example, want to text somebody back, you can catch the notification here, respond to the text right on your wrist, and leave your phone in your pocket.
00:22:50.000 They were saying on stage that they believe 70% of our interaction with our device could be curbed by having one of these on your wrist.
00:22:58.000 So, essentially, most of the day, your phone could remain in your pocket.
00:23:02.000 But I was talking earlier with Brian about how Really, the goal here, the endgame, is preemptive computing.
00:23:08.000 So, the idea that this thing will know what you want to do before you know that you want to do it.
00:23:14.000 And that's what Google now has been pushing in that direction.
00:23:18.000 So, your flight lands, and it can...
00:23:29.000 So those kinds of things are what make wearing something on your exterior more interesting, where a buzz in your pocket is maybe not as effective as the information you can get here.
00:23:40.000 Like, so the travel distance and things along those lines, things that updates, those Google updates that you get on your phone, temperature, warnings.
00:23:48.000 So things like that.
00:23:49.000 But again, I don't know that we can necessarily imagine all the potential uses for preemptive computing.
00:23:55.000 I mean, essentially, much like the Nest thermostat, I don't know if you've heard of that before, it's a really fancy thermostat you put in your house.
00:24:01.000 And it's a learning thermostat.
00:24:03.000 And they just took over the marketplace.
00:24:05.000 They recently got acquired by Google, by the way.
00:24:07.000 And one of their designers was one of the original guys who worked on iPod.
00:24:11.000 So really, there's a cool story there.
00:24:14.000 But anyways, they acquired Nest.
00:24:17.000 Nest's product is a learning thermostat that never needs to be programmed.
00:24:21.000 The programming is just you using it.
00:24:24.000 So you come, it's Wi-Fi connected, you come home, and you adjust it, and you don't realize there's patterns in your behavior.
00:24:30.000 That at 3 o'clock you always like it to be a certain temperature, and at 6 it's different.
00:24:35.000 And eventually it will draw out an algorithm to deal with your behavior, at which point you no longer need to ever worry about it or touch it.
00:24:42.000 The goal of the product is to require less and less interaction from you the more you use it.
00:24:48.000 What's weird about Nest is that they also have these new products.
00:24:51.000 They're now taking over washer and dryers.
00:24:54.000 They're getting to the point where it is going to be like that old Flintstones where they control, they're the central computer of your house.
00:25:00.000 And they're just like, hello computer, what are you doing here?
00:25:03.000 And they also have these smoke detectors that also do carbon dioxide.
00:25:08.000 Carbon monoxide and stuff like that.
00:25:10.000 So they could even turn off and be like, oh, let's turn on the oven.
00:25:14.000 Let's gas this guy and kill him.
00:25:15.000 So Google's going to be able to murder us in our house in the future.
00:25:18.000 Or warn you if someone's breaking into your house trying to murder you.
00:25:20.000 Well, they just acquired Dropcam, which is what I've been preaching about forever because Dropcam's one of the greatest, I think, inventions in a long time.
00:25:29.000 It's these little cameras that film amazing HD and that you can put all over your house that connect to your Wi-Fi.
00:25:36.000 And then you get a text like, oh, somebody's walking through my house.
00:25:38.000 You're sitting there watching full HD. It's recording in the cloud for you.
00:25:42.000 Recording a lot of stuff.
00:25:43.000 And it could also learn certain things like just watch this part of the house.
00:25:46.000 You know if it's me walking around because it's doing detections of what kind of object motions it is.
00:25:52.000 Do you shut all that off, cover it with t-shirts when you fuck?
00:25:55.000 Do you put socks over them?
00:25:57.000 When I remember.
00:25:59.000 Of course not.
00:26:00.000 He needs to have that in the cloud.
00:26:02.000 No, I need that in the cloud so I can get hacked, but I also need it as proof.
00:26:06.000 Like that video we were talking about, that guy that was doing the We're good to go.
00:26:33.000 And he got in a whole bunch of trouble.
00:26:35.000 But how do you feel about that world, though?
00:26:37.000 Everything being recorded all the time?
00:26:38.000 That's the question I was going to ask.
00:26:39.000 It's going to be great once something bad happens, when nothing's bad happening, and I don't really care, you know?
00:26:46.000 Sort of, except if you do something fucked up and someone gets a hold of it.
00:26:51.000 Yeah, just don't do anything fucked up.
00:26:52.000 It's great.
00:26:53.000 It's like that Lego movie.
00:26:54.000 Everything is awesome.
00:26:55.000 I don't know if it's really that simple, though.
00:26:59.000 It's access.
00:27:00.000 You've seen before the effect of, say, for example, editing on the end product on a show or something like that.
00:27:06.000 You can totally change context, change narrative.
00:27:09.000 Somebody having footage of you doing any kind of behavior could potentially be used to harm you.
00:27:14.000 But we all know if you have a Photoshop that there's ways to detect it.
00:27:17.000 It's Photoshop if there's an edited.
00:27:18.000 There's so much smart little algorithms that you could tell that there's one grain that's not supposed to be there in a film.
00:27:24.000 Sure.
00:27:24.000 Yeah, that's as far as actually altering the image itself, but not the context of the image itself.
00:27:30.000 You could have someone doing something that's actually not fucked up if you knew the whole story.
00:27:34.000 Yeah, that's what I mean.
00:27:35.000 That's what I mean, yeah.
00:27:37.000 Yeah, it's an issue.
00:27:39.000 It's certainly an issue.
00:27:39.000 And it's certainly an issue because there's people that have that power over others.
00:27:43.000 That's what the real issue with the NSA is.
00:27:45.000 Wait a minute, you're monitoring every single person in the country?
00:27:48.000 Are you assuming we're all criminals?
00:27:51.000 Because if not, then do you pick a target that you know is innocent?
00:27:55.000 Is it okay for you to monitor them?
00:27:56.000 No, it's not, right?
00:27:57.000 We all agree.
00:27:57.000 So the only reason why it's okay is you're looking at us all as potential criminals.
00:28:02.000 For sure, definitely.
00:28:20.000 Of his car?
00:28:21.000 I don't know if you heard about this.
00:28:22.000 In Georgia.
00:28:24.000 Did he leave the kid in the backseat?
00:28:27.000 How old was the kid?
00:28:27.000 The kid was a toddler.
00:28:29.000 Left him in the backseat, overheated, and died.
00:28:32.000 And today, I guess, they find out the dude was Googling hot car death, backseat death, prior to the event.
00:28:40.000 Oh, just to see how long it would take.
00:28:41.000 Oh my god, so he did it on purpose.
00:28:43.000 That's the thought.
00:28:44.000 Oh no!
00:28:45.000 Or he was seeing how long he could leave his kid in there while he runs and gets...
00:28:48.000 Fine, but that's pretty fucked up on its own, man.
00:28:52.000 Either one is fucked up.
00:28:53.000 He tried to kill his kid.
00:28:54.000 He killed his kid.
00:28:55.000 What?
00:28:56.000 You see, the problem is stories like that resonate so close to home that you're like, fuck it, give them all the power they need.
00:29:04.000 You know what I mean?
00:29:05.000 Yeah, well that's how I feel sometimes.
00:29:07.000 I don't even pull this up, dude.
00:29:08.000 I don't want to see that guy's face.
00:29:09.000 Yeah, no, you don't.
00:29:11.000 Sometimes I feel like that when it comes to location services.
00:29:14.000 Do you want Google to know where you are?
00:29:16.000 Right.
00:29:17.000 I guess.
00:29:18.000 You have to think about where am I? What am I doing?
00:29:21.000 I showed them on yesterday's podcast how everyone's iPhones has on default just all the locations that they sit at.
00:29:28.000 Yeah, that's right.
00:29:29.000 Very strange.
00:29:30.000 It is.
00:29:31.000 And you really start to wonder about all of this power we give to these devices over us, to these companies that we have this inherent trust.
00:29:41.000 We're at a point now where we rely on these things.
00:29:50.000 Right.
00:29:51.000 Right.
00:29:53.000 Right.
00:29:57.000 Right.
00:30:09.000 But we know that's true.
00:30:10.000 We know that's true.
00:30:11.000 We know there's been a lot of prosecutors that have willingly put people in jail because they didn't want to admit they got the wrong person and they wanted to convict those people.
00:30:18.000 Those stories always mess me up when this guy gets let out of jail 25 years later on DNA. It seems like the only truth is the scientific truth.
00:30:28.000 There's no other truth.
00:30:29.000 Once it's in human beings' hands, it's like Google with these self-driving cars.
00:30:33.000 They can eliminate so much.
00:30:36.000 Yeah, almost all accidents.
00:30:37.000 Yeah, like 90% are human error, right?
00:30:40.000 Look at airplanes.
00:30:42.000 Their safety records are insane, and the majority of that...
00:30:45.000 We'll put a plane in the sky and let it fly itself, but we won't let a car on the road do so.
00:30:50.000 Yet, the number one way that you will die between the ages of 4 and 34 is in a vehicle.
00:30:56.000 Well, we're letting it happen.
00:30:57.000 When you say we're not going to let it happen, they're letting Google Cars happen.
00:31:01.000 They're driving them right now.
00:31:02.000 Well, they're out there, but they're not publicly available.
00:31:05.000 There will be some...
00:31:06.000 I mean, the oil and gas companies, the dealerships.
00:31:09.000 Look what they did to Tesla in New Jersey there.
00:31:11.000 I don't think they'll be able to do that.
00:31:13.000 Not long-term, but they can put...
00:31:15.000 Sort of like the marijuana thing in Colorado.
00:31:19.000 It ebbs and flows, right?
00:31:20.000 It goes a little bit this way, it comes back that way.
00:31:23.000 I think it'll be so transparent, though.
00:31:24.000 It'll be the real issue.
00:31:25.000 Why would you try to avoid something that is easy, convenient, and unbelievably safe?
00:31:31.000 There'll be somebody with some kind of economic...
00:31:33.000 I think personal freedom issues are going to still apply.
00:31:36.000 Like, I like to be able to drive in a car.
00:31:39.000 Yeah, that's true.
00:31:40.000 Could you imagine a point at which that becomes illegal?
00:31:42.000 It could happen.
00:31:43.000 Definitely.
00:31:44.000 I mean, or you could have to take your car to a fucking racetrack.
00:31:47.000 Can you imagine if the only way you could drive your Subaru was to take on a racetrack?
00:31:50.000 Well, but if you have a relic...
00:31:52.000 I sometimes feel like on the regular roads, if you have a really nice car, it's kind of like...
00:31:57.000 Putting a muzzle on a dog.
00:32:00.000 Really, to get the most out of it, a racetrack would be good anyways.
00:32:04.000 That is definitely true, to get the most out of it, but damn, you can get a lot out of it.
00:32:09.000 You can get a lot out of it.
00:32:11.000 It depends on where it rode.
00:32:12.000 Take Angel's Crest Forest, the Angel's Crest Highway.
00:32:17.000 You've been up there.
00:32:19.000 Out near where that gun range is, too.
00:32:22.000 All these crazy winding doors are beautiful.
00:32:25.000 It's so fun to drive.
00:32:25.000 There is a way.
00:32:26.000 It's just that, unfortunately, 98% of the way people drive sucks.
00:32:30.000 Like, you're sitting in gridlock.
00:32:32.000 First of all, your phone should not receive or send text once it's in the car.
00:32:37.000 It should be a thing where the car recognizes via Bluetooth that your phone is in the car.
00:32:42.000 No text, fuck.
00:32:43.000 That's a good segue because one of the announcements actually at Google I.O. was Google in the car which again talks to all these different devices and is essentially going to overhaul your car dash unit which by the way they all suck.
00:32:58.000 They're all terrible.
00:32:59.000 Everyone's experienced the shitty capacitive screens and the slow input and pretty much everyone agrees just slapping your phone in the center of the dash is going to give you a better experience than the three or four thousand dollar unit that the car company installed.
00:33:12.000 Yeah.
00:33:13.000 Apparently, part of what holds them back is that they have to have approval so far in advance, three years or four years or something, to get approved to go into a motor vehicle that they're so far behind by the time you're actually driving it that you've got a crappy experience.
00:33:29.000 But the goal here for Google is that your phone is actually the brain because this is modular.
00:33:34.000 This changes.
00:33:35.000 You upgrade this all the time.
00:33:36.000 Your car, on the other hand, not so much.
00:33:38.000 So if this is the brain doing all the processing and just outputting video to a monitor that also happens to be touchscreen, you don't necessarily have to worry about that so much.
00:33:45.000 New points of interest on NAV, for example, they don't happen on these locked-off circumstances, whether you have a VW or a Ford or whatever.
00:33:55.000 Each one of those experiences relies on those companies to go input those new POIs.
00:34:00.000 So a new restaurant opens, it's not going to be there, whereas in the case of this, it's always going to be current information.
00:34:05.000 Wow.
00:34:05.000 So the phone will sort of, the car rather, will sort of act as an app?
00:34:10.000 Sort of.
00:34:11.000 I would honestly think of it as more of an output method.
00:34:14.000 So like, basically, imagine when you plug this phone into a TV, you would see this, let's say you see this image up on the screen there.
00:34:23.000 So let's imagine the same thing but on your car dash.
00:34:26.000 Right.
00:34:27.000 Why not?
00:34:28.000 We're all doing this anyway.
00:34:30.000 Did I say phone would be an app?
00:34:31.000 What I meant is your car would be an app.
00:34:33.000 Right.
00:34:33.000 Yeah.
00:34:34.000 Essentially your car where you'd plug into your phone.
00:34:36.000 Yeah.
00:34:36.000 Have you ever seen those dudes who run those really large lenses?
00:34:39.000 They take photographs, they plug it in, and apparently there's software that allows you to use these lenses with certain cell phones.
00:34:47.000 Oh, really?
00:34:47.000 Have you seen them?
00:34:47.000 I haven't seen that.
00:34:48.000 Yeah, they make large lenses.
00:34:50.000 Jamie, you know about all that shit, right?
00:34:51.000 Yeah.
00:34:53.000 Like a physical adapter?
00:34:54.000 Yeah, they put a physical lens open.
00:34:56.000 Some of them have applications that go along with them.
00:34:59.000 The car is sort of acting like that.
00:35:02.000 It's like an extension...
00:35:04.000 And there's some sort of an application that will allow your car to interface with your phone.
00:35:08.000 The only thing is, you wouldn't have to do any work.
00:35:10.000 Essentially, it would be baked into your phone, and if you never used it, you'd never need to worry about it.
00:35:15.000 But you would have to have a specific operating system, though.
00:35:17.000 Because, say, if you have Subaru, and Subaru only handles Android, but you have an iPhone.
00:35:21.000 Exactly.
00:35:22.000 So they announced, like...
00:35:26.000 That's a huge pain in the dick, though, when it comes to switching phones.
00:35:30.000 Like, I like going back and forth from Android to Apple.
00:35:33.000 And this is something I wanted to talk about, how now, with more and more connected devices, it's becoming super important to pick your team.
00:35:41.000 Oh, no.
00:35:42.000 I know.
00:35:43.000 You're separating people.
00:35:45.000 I like both.
00:35:46.000 I really do.
00:35:47.000 I love my note.
00:35:48.000 I love the screen.
00:35:49.000 The screen's incredible.
00:35:50.000 I love the online experience.
00:35:52.000 But you know what I got recently, man?
00:35:53.000 I got a fucking iPad Air, the big one, with a Verizon connection.
00:35:57.000 That's what I got, boo.
00:35:58.000 You have a Verizon connection on that bitch?
00:36:00.000 Yep.
00:36:01.000 Yeah, my web browsing with a laptop or, you know, I mean, my web browsing with a phone are basically over.
00:36:07.000 You know what's great about this also, Joe, is when you're on the road, I have AT&T as my cell phone, but a lot of places AT&T sucks or vice versa, and you can just make a hotspot using this, so you're always having the best network.
00:36:19.000 Oh, clever boy!
00:36:20.000 Clever boy!
00:36:22.000 There's an interesting thing there in that...
00:36:24.000 Picking a platform, maybe it won't be such an issue in the future anyways.
00:36:29.000 As much as I like Apple, I've got products here.
00:36:33.000 The iPhone is in my pocket daily.
00:36:36.000 I've got this laptop here.
00:36:37.000 They have zero traction in emerging markets.
00:36:41.000 At all.
00:36:42.000 It's not even of interest to them.
00:36:43.000 They sell here and only here.
00:36:45.000 I don't know about you, but I'm American.
00:36:47.000 And I don't really give a fuck about some mud hut in the middle of nowhere.
00:36:53.000 Except that those people in those mud huts are making killer apps now.
00:36:57.000 Oh, damn it.
00:36:58.000 And if their first device that they get their hands on happens to be an Android device, that matters.
00:37:03.000 Right.
00:37:04.000 This is a global circumstance.
00:37:06.000 I've been saying for a while that it's almost like Apple can't win.
00:37:09.000 Because even though they have really high-level stuff, you start looking at the Moto M8, you go, ooh, that's pretty goddamn close to an iPhone.
00:37:16.000 I mean, if it just had a better camera, the camera's kind of whack.
00:37:19.000 Oh, I've heard you guys talk about this before.
00:37:22.000 I wanted to talk about this specifically.
00:37:24.000 Cell phone cameras, okay.
00:37:29.000 Everybody in the tech world knows that this thing takes the best Instagram photos, right?
00:37:34.000 Instagram.
00:37:35.000 iPhone.
00:37:35.000 Okay, I said that specifically because it's the number one way that we share photos and ultimately how you share it is the biggest part of it.
00:37:42.000 Who cares if it looks great on your phone when other people have to look at it if it doesn't?
00:37:47.000 So other phones came out and you guys talked about it.
00:37:50.000 How about Instagram you saying this?
00:37:52.000 There you go.
00:37:54.000 Do I keep talking?
00:37:56.000 You're good.
00:37:56.000 Other devices came out.
00:37:59.000 There's a Nokia device.
00:38:00.000 There's a 41 megapixel phone.
00:38:02.000 A Windows phone.
00:38:04.000 40 what?
00:38:05.000 41 megapixel.
00:38:06.000 But you see, that device is not focused on the output method.
00:38:10.000 It's just like, let's just make these crazy images that are huge.
00:38:13.000 Well, how the hell do I get that thing onto Instagram?
00:38:15.000 For the longest time, Windows Phone didn't even have Instagram.
00:38:17.000 But here's the problem, okay?
00:38:19.000 Instagram is a piece of software.
00:38:21.000 And in order for it to work smoothly, it has to compress your photos.
00:38:24.000 Okay?
00:38:25.000 So the thing you're taking on your phone just in the camera app is not the same thing that other people end up seeing on the other side of Instagram.
00:38:32.000 Right.
00:38:33.000 You know what I mean?
00:38:33.000 And that compression algorithm is very sophisticated.
00:38:37.000 It has to go in there and figure out what can I remove and what do I need to leave in to make a beautiful picture.
00:38:43.000 Right?
00:38:44.000 Now, if you're building the iOS side of Instagram, of that app...
00:38:49.000 It's very easy to build because what are your parameters?
00:38:52.000 It's the same camera every time.
00:38:55.000 Right?
00:38:55.000 Right.
00:38:56.000 Android?
00:38:57.000 Holy shit!
00:38:58.000 How many Android phones are on the market?
00:38:59.000 A lot of fucking Android phones.
00:39:00.000 So now, how many parameters as a developer do you need to deal with because all those phones have different attributes?
00:39:07.000 So the way they take a picture is different.
00:39:08.000 So going in and trying to figure out what to remove in terms of bits and bytes to still have a good picture on the other side is very difficult to do.
00:39:15.000 So it's not necessarily a technical limitation on the side of the device.
00:39:19.000 The Galaxy S5, for example, has a great camera.
00:39:22.000 A great camera until you try to upload to Instagram.
00:39:26.000 Well, I'm talking about taking photos on my camera on both...
00:39:32.000 And trying to take the best photo.
00:39:35.000 Right.
00:39:35.000 No, no, that exists too.
00:39:36.000 This is a great camera.
00:39:37.000 Don't get me wrong.
00:39:38.000 It has a big aperture.
00:39:40.000 This is still, like, in terms of mass market, you can't argue this against the Nokia one just because that's...
00:39:45.000 It hangs off the back.
00:39:46.000 It's a giant thing.
00:39:47.000 But what I'm saying is the bigger problem...
00:39:50.000 I believe the bigger problem is the Instagram problem.
00:39:53.000 People hit me up on Twitter all the time saying, like, my photos look great.
00:39:57.000 Dan I upload them.
00:39:57.000 They look like mud.
00:39:58.000 They look like shit.
00:39:59.000 You know, once I get them up there, so...
00:40:02.000 This goes deep.
00:40:03.000 Tech guys will carry around two devices for that specific reason.
00:40:08.000 I will take pictures on...
00:40:10.000 Even if I took a picture on here...
00:40:12.000 Send it to your iPhone.
00:40:13.000 But if I uploaded it on here, it would be different.
00:40:15.000 That's ridiculous.
00:40:16.000 Yeah, it's crazy.
00:40:17.000 I mean, when I upload my photos from both of my devices, a Note 3 and my iPhone 5S... All my fucking phones...
00:40:26.000 All my notes photos are shit compared to this camera.
00:40:30.000 They're not as good.
00:40:31.000 And if you have a program like Instagram that is taking random...
00:40:37.000 Because a lot of times I use Instagram, but just like photos I find on the internet.
00:40:40.000 Or a screenshot or something.
00:40:42.000 That's another good example.
00:40:43.000 And those programs should be able to be like, Okay, we're going to make everything a screenshot that's uploaded through this algorithm.
00:40:50.000 Meaning, if you have a photo that's taken on one camera, you have a screenshot, you have a camera that you uploaded, whatever...
00:40:56.000 All those photos should be able to go through one single programming thing, like, we're all going to transfer this into what a screenshot is of that phone or whatever.
00:41:05.000 Meaning it shouldn't be, like, who cares what different photos it is?
00:41:09.000 It's the programming that should be able to interpret it and output it.
00:41:12.000 Oh, no doubt about it, but it's just, if you say you're a developer on Instagram, first of all, Instagram's not really making much money right now anyways.
00:41:20.000 How could they be?
00:41:21.000 That's a good question.
00:41:22.000 Do people pay for Instagram?
00:41:26.000 Facial recognition so that they can own all your faces.
00:41:29.000 That's one aspect.
00:41:30.000 Do you download it for free or do you pay for it?
00:41:32.000 No, no, no.
00:41:33.000 It's a free app.
00:41:34.000 But you will eventually start to see promoted Instagram posts from brands.
00:41:39.000 In your feed, no choice.
00:41:40.000 Ew!
00:41:41.000 Twitter's doing it.
00:41:43.000 Twitter is doing it and they gross me out when they do it.
00:41:46.000 Promoted tweets.
00:41:46.000 Your friend is following X brand.
00:41:49.000 Does Instagram own your photos?
00:41:51.000 Are they allowed to use whatever...
00:41:53.000 They recently updated their TOS because they said that, and then people freaked out, and then they modded it.
00:41:59.000 I'm not sure what the current state of their terms of service is, but honestly, Instagram's probably my favorite social network outside of YouTube because it's just streamlined.
00:42:09.000 It's images.
00:42:10.000 It's fast.
00:42:11.000 There's not too much...
00:42:13.000 Facebook is a disaster.
00:42:15.000 I'm pretty sure that's why they purchased them.
00:42:17.000 For example, if I put a picture on Instagram from an interactivity stamp, this is how you know software is working when people want to use it.
00:42:22.000 If I put a picture on Instagram, the comment stream is happening faster than anywhere else, even though I don't have the same number of followers.
00:42:29.000 There were a lot of douchebags on Instagram, though.
00:42:32.000 Oh, most definitely.
00:42:33.000 I think maybe even more than on Twitter.
00:42:34.000 Oh, yeah, more on Twitter and less than YouTube.
00:42:36.000 What do you mean?
00:42:36.000 Can we do a douchebag definition?
00:42:39.000 When you say douchebag there, I'm curious as to the...
00:42:42.000 What specifically?
00:42:43.000 Just dumb assholes.
00:42:45.000 Oh, okay.
00:42:45.000 Just dumb, insulting assholes.
00:42:47.000 Like, you ever go to Kim Kardashian's Instagram page?
00:42:50.000 Not in a long time.
00:42:51.000 Jesus, Louisa.
00:42:52.000 Go there and just read some of the fucking comments about your children.
00:42:55.000 Right.
00:42:56.000 I mean, anything.
00:42:57.000 Anything that happens.
00:42:58.000 Just the fucking hate.
00:43:00.000 I'm sure it's there.
00:43:02.000 It's deluded YouTube.
00:43:03.000 It's because you're commenting on a photo or a video instead of like a Twitter where you're just talking about words.
00:43:09.000 I honestly think anything worth anything should be comments deleted.
00:43:14.000 Comics disabled.
00:43:15.000 Because the problem is, like, they very rarely...
00:43:18.000 It's rare that it generates a really fascinating conversation in the comments.
00:43:23.000 It's super common that it's just cunty shitheads.
00:43:26.000 It depends on the subject matter.
00:43:28.000 Like, in my case, sometimes I do get relevant discussion in the comments.
00:43:31.000 Yeah, me too.
00:43:31.000 Tech discussion.
00:43:33.000 They're pretty respectful, but you get this weird fanboyism stuff that gets militant, surprisingly.
00:43:38.000 It's bizarre.
00:43:39.000 I don't know.
00:43:42.000 I have this theory.
00:43:44.000 You know when you go to a coffee shop and you look around at Starbucks, everyone has their phones on the table.
00:43:49.000 You notice that?
00:43:50.000 It's in a public space.
00:43:51.000 It's representative of you in some way.
00:43:54.000 Right.
00:43:55.000 I have this feeling that this is, for a lot of people, this is a major investment, you know, outside of their car or whatever.
00:44:01.000 It's really close to you.
00:44:02.000 It's in your pocket all the time.
00:44:03.000 And so, I think people are really concerned with making the wrong decision.
00:44:07.000 You know, they're really concerned that their thing is not the best.
00:44:10.000 And so, in my case, what will happen is, I'll put up a video, and then, you know, they haven't even had time to finish watching it, and Apple sucks, or Android sucks, or whatever.
00:44:20.000 And really, it's fear.
00:44:21.000 It's fear that you made the wrong decision.
00:44:24.000 Hmm.
00:44:24.000 And so, well, like many places in life, you get angry when you're afraid.
00:44:28.000 And so, God forbid a new product comes out that obsoletes yours, and you don't have the money to replace it.
00:44:34.000 So you take this position of defending the other thing, because that's easier than justifying the cost of the new one.
00:44:41.000 So, I've actually, there were a couple of really cool articles on fanboyism that I was interviewed for.
00:44:47.000 And, you know, we went deep into how, you know, how people sort of figure that out.
00:44:52.000 But there's definitely this undercurrent below the tech space, the consumer product space, where these are becoming more and more like fashion symbols, like, you know, representative of your personality, maybe more so than as a tool,
00:45:08.000 you know, less of a hammer and more like a...
00:45:11.000 A piece of jewelry, like a watch or something.
00:45:13.000 Isn't it also that people just love being on teams, whether it's Team Democrat, Team Republican, Team Chevy, Team...
00:45:19.000 Most definitely.
00:45:21.000 And I've done some rants on this in the past, like...
00:45:23.000 I feel the need to tell people, like, I'm a fan of technology.
00:45:26.000 When I was coming up as a kid, like, if anybody brought me any of this stuff, I would be super excited.
00:45:32.000 Of course.
00:45:33.000 And I'm cool with saying that, you know?
00:45:35.000 But, yeah, there is definitely a team aspect where people, they want to belong to something.
00:45:42.000 I say belong to team technology, if that's what you're into, because the truth is these devices and these platforms push one another.
00:45:50.000 That the positive things that happen in Android push iOS to be better, and the positive things that happen in iOS push Android to be better.
00:45:57.000 And the same thing goes for laptops, desktops.
00:46:00.000 Really, anywhere there's innovation, having a little bit of competition is a positive thing.
00:46:04.000 Yeah, unquestionably.
00:46:05.000 And I think that it's important that there's all this competition out there, and it's important that there's debate, but people just have to be...
00:46:13.000 They're just assholes.
00:46:15.000 Just so many.
00:46:15.000 That's true as well.
00:46:16.000 That's really what it is.
00:46:17.000 They're out there.
00:46:18.000 People just...
00:46:19.000 Getting all slobber-mouthed about their various platforms.
00:46:22.000 It's easy to do, right?
00:46:23.000 Getting angry is probably the easiest thing to do.
00:46:25.000 It's probably the easiest.
00:46:26.000 In terms of emotions, anger is a reaction that people that don't have the ability to process something, they choose anger.
00:46:34.000 It's the easiest one.
00:46:38.000 Those are not the dominating comments.
00:46:41.000 Definitely not on my stuff.
00:46:42.000 The dominating ones are more along the lines of...
00:46:47.000 Like I said, technology in general, being happy about innovation.
00:46:49.000 You post a new unboxing video of one of these things and everybody's cool with it and everybody's interested.
00:46:54.000 And that's part of the reason why people watch my videos is because they sort of want to see the whole movement of the place in general.
00:47:01.000 It could have been an Apple channel.
00:47:03.000 A lot of people do that.
00:47:04.000 They'll have an iOS-related channel where they'll do app reviews specifically for a platform or something.
00:47:09.000 But But yeah, I don't want to give them a bad rap completely.
00:47:12.000 They're not all douchebags.
00:47:13.000 No, no, no, they're not.
00:47:15.000 I mean, it's a small, loud minority.
00:47:17.000 Yeah.
00:47:17.000 Really.
00:47:18.000 I mean, but that loud minority can ruin the conversation.
00:47:21.000 That's a problem.
00:47:22.000 Yeah.
00:47:22.000 I mean, YouTube implemented this idea where you have your real name.
00:47:26.000 That's a great idea.
00:47:27.000 You know?
00:47:27.000 I love that idea.
00:47:28.000 They show a fucking picture of you, too.
00:47:30.000 And a picture.
00:47:31.000 A picture of you when you wake up in the morning.
00:47:32.000 What?
00:47:33.000 Oh, you fuck.
00:47:34.000 Not so cocky now about Kim Kardashian, are you, you little puke?
00:47:38.000 So yeah, I mean, that's one way to remove anonymity on the web, but a lot of people don't necessarily...
00:47:44.000 Like, for example, on Reddit, I mean, could there ever be your real identity on Reddit?
00:47:49.000 That's interesting.
00:47:50.000 You know, there's benefits.
00:47:51.000 There's pros and cons.
00:47:53.000 There's benefits to anonymity because a lot of times you'll get truth that someone might shield from you because of the social stigma of, you know, just social cues and interactions.
00:48:01.000 They might just back off of it and go, ah, I wasn't honest with them.
00:48:04.000 Like, you go to see someone in a movie...
00:48:05.000 Like, what'd you think, man?
00:48:07.000 Like, oh, fucking Christ.
00:48:08.000 This movie's a piece of shit.
00:48:09.000 You don't say that.
00:48:10.000 You go, oh, it's pretty fucking good, man.
00:48:12.000 But if you were a random guy, there are so many things wrong with this movie, they should burn it on the moon.
00:48:18.000 For sure.
00:48:19.000 You could say something like that.
00:48:20.000 And you would really mean that.
00:48:22.000 So, I don't know.
00:48:24.000 Do you think things are better for people having that ability?
00:48:27.000 Or would they be better in the alternative space where...
00:48:29.000 Because you know anyways, right?
00:48:31.000 When somebody really isn't into something...
00:48:33.000 They don't really need to say it, do they?
00:48:35.000 No.
00:48:35.000 You know, you can feel it.
00:48:36.000 But I think that interaction in general...
00:48:39.000 I think, first of all, I think this stage that we're in, this stage of commenting and being able to interact with people online, just...
00:48:48.000 Like, you put up a video, they could just shit all over your face.
00:48:51.000 I don't like his face, the fucking guy's annoying.
00:48:54.000 Oh, definitely!
00:48:55.000 Pick something.
00:48:56.000 Anything.
00:48:57.000 They just decide.
00:48:58.000 This is a new ability that never existed a decade ago.
00:49:02.000 It didn't exist two decades ago.
00:49:04.000 There was nothing remotely similar to this.
00:49:06.000 Not that I can think of.
00:49:07.000 So, we don't really know how to deal with it.
00:49:08.000 And there's so many people that just get away with doing things on it that they would never do in real life.
00:49:14.000 Just because they really shouldn't have that ability.
00:49:16.000 It's not a natural ability.
00:49:17.000 The natural ability to communicate with each other is an ebb and flow interaction.
00:49:21.000 It's not send a missile and sit back and wait.
00:49:24.000 Boom!
00:49:25.000 And it explodes.
00:49:26.000 Well, that's the thing.
00:49:27.000 Now you have the art form of trolling.
00:49:29.000 That's a whole thing.
00:49:30.000 And it is an art form when done well.
00:49:33.000 It can be good, right?
00:49:34.000 There's a new website that I just started following, or a new Twitter feed that I just started following that's a total troll.
00:49:40.000 It's kind of a parody account troll, but it It turns into a troll.
00:49:45.000 I should almost not say the name.
00:49:47.000 You don't want to help them?
00:49:49.000 Well, fuck it.
00:49:50.000 It's all about Salon.com.
00:49:53.000 Their Twitter handle, I think, is Salon.com.
00:49:58.000 There's Salon, that is one Twitter handle, and then there's Salon.com.
00:50:02.000 Hold on a second.
00:50:02.000 I'll find out who it is.
00:50:03.000 I'll follow it.
00:50:05.000 Salon is the official verified one.
00:50:09.000 Exactly.
00:50:11.000 It's called Salon.com and it's hilarious.
00:50:16.000 It's really funny.
00:50:18.000 The unfortunate part of that is them using that name may be a problem in the long term.
00:50:22.000 Keep it down.
00:50:24.000 You're the one that announced it.
00:50:25.000 Goddammit.
00:50:26.000 Listen, they need more people.
00:50:28.000 It's really funny.
00:50:29.000 There was one about a kid.
00:50:34.000 Misogynist superheroes.
00:50:35.000 Why men's rights activists are wearing capes.
00:50:39.000 Whoa.
00:50:41.000 And they're just trolling!
00:50:43.000 It's really funny, man.
00:50:44.000 Yeah, see, if it's sophisticated and well thought out, it's acceptable in my opinion.
00:50:49.000 Scary, the six most popular video games that allow you to kill female players online.
00:50:56.000 The last anti-Semitic slur.
00:50:58.000 We need to stop using the J word already.
00:51:01.000 Oh, they're just trolling.
00:51:02.000 This is good.
00:51:04.000 That's gold.
00:51:05.000 I like this kind of trolling because if you go to the fucking comments, God, there's a lot of people that do not think this is trolling.
00:51:10.000 Really?
00:51:11.000 But isn't this the kind of trolling you hate also?
00:51:13.000 Well, no, because this is obvious.
00:51:16.000 But mom, errands are gay.
00:51:18.000 The 10-year-old's vile rant that proves what a homophobic patriarchy we live in.
00:51:28.000 I think there's a place for it.
00:51:29.000 It's obvious!
00:51:30.000 There's a place for it.
00:51:31.000 Come on, man.
00:51:32.000 Anybody fucking reading that.
00:51:34.000 Look, you don't deserve to be able to comment.
00:51:37.000 This should be your test.
00:51:38.000 If you really believe this, you're either not paying attention, like you're half awake, or you're too fucking stupid to comment on.
00:51:44.000 How do you feel about this?
00:51:45.000 What if there was some reputation attached to your name?
00:51:48.000 Because that's essentially what's happening on YouTube, right?
00:51:51.000 If you log onto a video and it happens to be somebody in your Google Plus circles, for example, they'll rise to the top.
00:51:59.000 Well, that's why you shouldn't use Google +, because that's retarded.
00:52:02.000 You don't have a choice for commenting now.
00:52:04.000 Ten signs your cat might be racist.
00:52:13.000 Look, you know, there's a bunch of different ways to look at it.
00:52:17.000 I don't think there's any...
00:52:19.000 There's any absolute.
00:52:20.000 But I think, ultimately, the real issue is that we're just not used to this kind of freedom.
00:52:25.000 This freedom of communication and freedom of interaction.
00:52:28.000 Freedom of reaching people.
00:52:30.000 Freedom of...
00:52:30.000 I mean, there's websites dedicated to just, like, anything.
00:52:35.000 Like, you could reach people.
00:52:36.000 You could contact people.
00:52:37.000 You could comment on people.
00:52:39.000 You could start your own website, and boom, people comment on you.
00:52:42.000 I mean, this kind of interaction, it's just...
00:52:44.000 It's completely...
00:52:46.000 It's an adolescent thing.
00:52:47.000 Yeah.
00:52:48.000 So when you have cases like that guy that got fired because they outed him on Reddit, he used to do a lot of creepy shit on Reddit.
00:52:54.000 Remember that guy?
00:52:55.000 He was in Texas, I believe he lived.
00:52:57.000 Yeah, his name was like something Acres.
00:52:59.000 Yeah, yeah, something.
00:53:01.000 And it was a really interesting debate because obviously the guy...
00:53:05.000 It was really creepy online.
00:53:07.000 But to him, it was like a role that he was playing.
00:53:09.000 To him, he got enjoyment out of this trolling and posting pictures of dead people and whatever the fuck he was doing.
00:53:16.000 Yeah, I think his big one was creep shots, right?
00:53:19.000 I think so.
00:53:20.000 Like up the skirt type pictures.
00:53:22.000 Which, surprisingly, for a long time, if you searched.
00:53:25.000 For Reddit, it was the top hit.
00:53:28.000 It was like Slash Creepshots.
00:53:29.000 Meanwhile, I want to know who's searching Reddit for Creepshots.
00:53:32.000 But here's the thing.
00:53:33.000 They banked a lot of dough on that guy's work.
00:53:36.000 Right?
00:53:36.000 Oh, Reddit did.
00:53:38.000 Of course.
00:53:38.000 If they're accumulating traffic through Google searches, right, to that particular thread, ultimately they earn money through advertising revenue like anyone else.
00:53:46.000 Keeping people there is going to...
00:53:49.000 Right, but they're an open forum.
00:53:50.000 Completely open forum.
00:53:52.000 Not completely.
00:53:53.000 Not completely, because they're moderated?
00:53:55.000 Is that what you mean?
00:53:56.000 Huh.
00:53:57.000 So you're saying that by them tolerating, if so, it could be proved that they tolerated those creep shots?
00:54:03.000 He got a Reddit trophy, a statue, for being one of the best moderators.
00:54:09.000 And he did a lot of upskirt shots?
00:54:12.000 Yeah, creep shots was, I think, the most famous thread or subreddit, sorry.
00:54:16.000 Oh, no.
00:54:17.000 He ran a subreddit called Creep Shots?
00:54:19.000 Creep Shots, and there was another one...
00:54:20.000 Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.
00:54:21.000 So Reddit knew about the subreddit?
00:54:23.000 Yeah.
00:54:23.000 Oh.
00:54:23.000 That shit's sexy.
00:54:24.000 I don't care what you guys are.
00:54:26.000 What it's done to guys?
00:54:28.000 It's all kilts.
00:54:30.000 All Scottish men.
00:54:30.000 I mean, that's still a...
00:54:32.000 Also, the underage ones, though, he was also on...
00:54:36.000 So, under 18 only, and I think, I believe the goal was to attempt to harvest pictures from girls' Facebook accounts, so you would pretend to be, you'd have like one of their friends' profile pictures, you'd be somebody at their school, or I don't know,
00:54:51.000 fake it.
00:54:52.000 Right.
00:54:52.000 Get access and then pull down the Facebook photos and upload them so girls had no idea they were showing up on this subreddit until they found out at school the next day.
00:55:00.000 God damn, that is so fucked up.
00:55:02.000 And there's a grown man doing that to a little girl.
00:55:04.000 And guess what the moderator's job was?
00:55:06.000 To remove pictures of girls that look too old.
00:55:09.000 Oh my god.
00:55:12.000 That's great.
00:55:13.000 So what do you think about that?
00:55:14.000 What's your thoughts about that?
00:55:16.000 I have a love-hate relationship with Reddit.
00:55:20.000 This idea that...
00:55:22.000 That it's an open forum is one that everybody believes, but the vast majority of Reddit users are consumers, not producers.
00:55:27.000 They're just there to consume content.
00:55:29.000 You would never know if you're actually seeing an open forum or not.
00:55:32.000 You're not managing it in any way.
00:55:36.000 They're super against self-promotion.
00:55:39.000 This is how I've bumped into them a number of times because I'll tweet out.
00:55:43.000 If somebody's talking about me on Reddit, I'll tweet the link.
00:55:46.000 On numerous occasions, tweeting that link brought the whole post down.
00:55:49.000 Wow.
00:55:50.000 Hmm.
00:55:52.000 I just stay in my subreddit.
00:55:53.000 I don't go out of Reddit much.
00:55:56.000 I think it's good for certain things, like I use it for episode discussions of podcasts, or like the Deskwad subreddit, and Joe's subreddit is really interesting.
00:56:05.000 Listen, it's still human beings.
00:56:06.000 There's obviously cool people there.
00:56:07.000 That's not up for discussion, but these veiled moderators in the background can essentially shape your experience there.
00:56:14.000 Well, there's also been issues with censorship.
00:56:17.000 Remember Alexis Hahanian, when he was on the podcast, talked about issues of things being censored from technology forums?
00:56:24.000 Oh, definitely.
00:56:25.000 Yeah.
00:56:26.000 Yeah.
00:56:26.000 Certain keywords.
00:56:28.000 Yeah.
00:56:28.000 Certain keywords would knock the post down immediately.
00:56:30.000 You couldn't type in those keywords.
00:56:32.000 Apple or whatever.
00:56:33.000 A strange list of keywords.
00:56:34.000 Someone did a little investigation on it.
00:56:36.000 They did a little study.
00:56:37.000 I wonder if that's still the case.
00:56:39.000 I haven't attempted...
00:56:40.000 We actually found this out, I believe it was after Alexis was here, so we didn't get a chance to ask him about it.
00:56:46.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:56:46.000 Yeah, I mean, if they're making money off of the fact that their forum gets a tremendous amount of traffic, and you have...
00:56:54.000 A subreddit that you're aware of.
00:56:56.000 Someone must be aware of that, correct?
00:56:58.000 Oh, definitely.
00:56:59.000 It's not there anymore.
00:57:00.000 But how crazy is that?
00:57:01.000 You're censoring things like the word Apple or Samsung or whatever the technology words are.
00:57:08.000 You're censoring that, but you're not censoring upskirt shots of 18-year-olds or catfishing.
00:57:11.000 Well, here's the thing.
00:57:12.000 Upskirt shots of 18-year-old girls don't buy ads.
00:57:16.000 Right?
00:57:17.000 It's the free promotion they don't want.
00:57:19.000 They don't want people hacking...
00:57:23.000 Their system, in a way.
00:57:24.000 Finding a way to get exposure through their platform without paying for it.
00:57:27.000 Right.
00:57:28.000 So, you know, Twitter...
00:57:29.000 Facebook's doing the same thing now.
00:57:31.000 Facebook promoted posts.
00:57:32.000 I don't know how active you guys are on Facebook, but, you know, your post is reaching, what, like 5-10% of the actual audience that signed up to see your posts?
00:57:40.000 And, oh, you want to reach more?
00:57:42.000 Pay us money.
00:57:43.000 Right.
00:57:44.000 That's inevitably where we end up on any of this shit, is that eventually they hook you, and then they find a way to monetize.
00:57:49.000 Right.
00:57:50.000 How do you feel about Bitcoin?
00:57:51.000 How do you feel about electronic currency?
00:57:53.000 Love it.
00:57:54.000 Love it.
00:57:54.000 Super cool.
00:57:55.000 Fascinating, right?
00:57:57.000 I think, oh, yeah.
00:57:59.000 I'm not an expert, right?
00:58:00.000 But I think that money is super low-tech right now.
00:58:04.000 Money sucks right now.
00:58:05.000 Like, this idea that there's this intermediary body that needs to sit in between you and I if we want to exchange money.
00:58:12.000 Yeah.
00:58:13.000 That's bizarre in today's day and age.
00:58:15.000 I mean, I can send you email.
00:58:16.000 That could be encrypted.
00:58:17.000 And here's how you know it's fucked.
00:58:18.000 They have all the money.
00:58:20.000 Yeah.
00:58:21.000 That's how you know the whole deal is rigged.
00:58:24.000 It's messed up.
00:58:25.000 What they're providing is really not that big of a deal.
00:58:28.000 Not at all.
00:58:29.000 What are they storing?
00:58:30.000 What are they doing?
00:58:31.000 They're processing a bunch of things, mostly on computers today.
00:58:33.000 And that's what Bitcoin proved.
00:58:34.000 Bitcoin proved it because Bitcoin was able to process transactions on an enormous scale.
00:58:40.000 It was bigger than an independent institution.
00:58:43.000 We're good to go.
00:58:59.000 The big banks, right?
00:59:00.000 Insurance companies, financial institutions.
00:59:03.000 The crooks.
00:59:04.000 All the crooks and their big fucking castles.
00:59:06.000 I mean, you think about it, Bitcoin came out and outed all those guys, in a way.
00:59:11.000 Because it said, you don't need to take all this money to achieve the transaction, to achieve the endgame.
00:59:18.000 So, I mean, yeah, I'm a big fan of alternative currencies in general.
00:59:22.000 I don't know if it's going to be Bitcoin or something else.
00:59:25.000 We're probably at a super early point right now with it.
00:59:28.000 And it's going to be, you know, it's hard at any time when you're looking at something in its earliest form to see the endgame, to see where it ends up.
00:59:36.000 But, you know, when the first, like, for example, when the first iPhone jumped on the scene, I'll never forget that moment.
00:59:43.000 Before that, the devices before that and after that, how much they changed in an instant.
00:59:48.000 And so I feel like once, when there's some big dynamic moment That Bitcoin is able to achieve or alternative currencies are able to achieve.
00:59:55.000 Some really cool feature where we can, I don't know, tap watches and spend money and we never have to pull anything out of our pocket.
01:00:01.000 Like the Starbucks app.
01:00:02.000 I'm using that shit all the time.
01:00:04.000 Is it one of those things you pull and you scan?
01:00:08.000 Yeah, so what it is is you can, you don't have to, but you put in your favorite locations and when it senses proximity nearby, you just swipe over and there's a barcode and you're done.
01:00:17.000 Or you could just shake it now.
01:00:18.000 Yeah, the latest one you can shake.
01:00:20.000 And it just brings up your payment.
01:00:21.000 And it collects every 10 times you get a free drink.
01:00:26.000 Your loyalty program.
01:00:26.000 Yeah, and then it also gives you free music and free apps.
01:00:29.000 I mean, Starbucks did their app right.
01:00:32.000 Oh, the Starbucks app is fantastic.
01:00:33.000 Every 10 times you get a free one?
01:00:34.000 Every 10 times you get a free one.
01:00:36.000 That's amazing.
01:00:36.000 That's incredible.
01:00:37.000 And it automatically uploads, so you'll always have...
01:00:40.000 And the thing is, in the past, I've been so reluctant to do rewards programs.
01:00:45.000 They're so bizarre.
01:00:46.000 You're at a department store, and it's like...
01:00:48.000 Every thousand dollars, you earn a dollar, and they say, ah, fuck it, I don't care.
01:00:53.000 But this one, they made it in such a way that it's a more convenient purchasing process, so it's like, oh, I'll take the loyalty on the side.
01:01:01.000 It's a side deal, why not?
01:01:02.000 Right, that's a cool way of looking at it, too.
01:01:04.000 That's nice that they did that.
01:01:06.000 That's so clever.
01:01:07.000 And ten to one is like a really good ratio.
01:01:09.000 Like, buy ten drinks, you get one free.
01:01:11.000 That's really, really generous.
01:01:12.000 I don't even know if it is.
01:01:13.000 Is it ten?
01:01:14.000 Yeah, it's a 10, and you get to get whatever you want, so that's when you go, I'll have seven shots of chocolate by throwing a knife.
01:01:21.000 Oh, you get any drink?
01:01:22.000 Yeah, it's great.
01:01:23.000 Oh, that's fascinating.
01:01:24.000 It's not even a commensurate drink, so you can buy like five shots of espresso?
01:01:28.000 Yeah, I've done it before.
01:01:30.000 Yep, you can get a super drink.
01:01:31.000 Wow.
01:01:32.000 And they give you one on your birthday as well.
01:01:33.000 Yep.
01:01:33.000 They give you a, because of the app?
01:01:35.000 The app just tells you it's your birthday, go get a free drink.
01:01:38.000 So when you're at the store, you hit the app and then just shake it, and then it pays for the thing?
01:01:42.000 Yep, yep.
01:01:43.000 The world's getting ridiculous.
01:01:44.000 How do you feel about Google Glass?
01:01:47.000 Actually, that's a good thing to talk about because I feel like these are the interim glass, these watches.
01:01:53.000 Interim.
01:01:54.000 It's like that's going to get you to a glass.
01:01:55.000 One day.
01:01:56.000 Glass is nowhere near ready for mass consumption.
01:02:00.000 Yeah.
01:02:01.000 Well, it's $1,500, first of all, which to some people might not seem like a huge hurdle, but it's gigantic.
01:02:09.000 And second of all, it's obtrusive.
01:02:11.000 I just got back from San Francisco where there's glasses...
01:02:16.000 There's a huge percentage of people wearing glass.
01:02:18.000 Didn't someone get in trouble for driving with them on?
01:02:20.000 I didn't hear that story, but I can imagine.
01:02:23.000 I think they had to drop the case.
01:02:24.000 Right.
01:02:25.000 But I think a guy got in trouble for driving with them on because they were saying that he was using his cell phone while he was driving.
01:02:29.000 I'm sure that's happening.
01:02:30.000 I know some bars have outlawed them locally.
01:02:32.000 They should.
01:02:33.000 Yeah.
01:02:33.000 That's fucking crazy.
01:02:34.000 Well, they have those weird cameras that you can buy that look like buttons.
01:02:37.000 They have those.
01:02:38.000 And they also have the ones that Stanhope used.
01:02:40.000 Stanhope had a hidden camera show for a while and he had glasses.
01:02:44.000 This was a long fucking time ago.
01:02:45.000 Little camera in the...
01:02:46.000 Yeah.
01:02:47.000 I want to say this is in the 90s.
01:02:49.000 Might have been the 90s.
01:02:50.000 Doug had a really funny fucking hidden camera show.
01:02:54.000 And one of the things he did is he had these glasses and there was this little center thing.
01:02:57.000 And you couldn't tell.
01:02:59.000 Oh, definitely.
01:03:00.000 So that already exists.
01:03:03.000 Yep.
01:03:03.000 But anyway, in the case of glass, there's this really weird experience.
01:03:09.000 If you own it, We're good to go.
01:03:36.000 To make that kind of a statement.
01:03:38.000 I think it's going to have to look like your glasses.
01:03:40.000 Yeah, it'll have to be regular glasses.
01:03:42.000 It'll have to be regular.
01:03:43.000 It's got to be.
01:03:44.000 I mean, as things get smaller and smaller, that shouldn't be prohibitive, right?
01:03:47.000 No.
01:03:48.000 The lenses themselves, the bars on the side of the lenses, just some sort of...
01:03:52.000 Like, right now, it's a little oversized and you swipe it.
01:03:55.000 Yeah.
01:04:04.000 Oh, for sure.
01:04:16.000 I mean, that would be the shit.
01:04:17.000 Why haven't they done this?
01:04:18.000 The shit.
01:04:19.000 Why haven't they just created some dope-ass Oakley-style sunglasses that have a fucking screen in it, like a goddamn movie theater, and I'm driving around and I got all my information.
01:04:28.000 You're done.
01:04:29.000 Like, look, dude, your girlfriend's right over here.
01:04:31.000 That's what everybody wants.
01:04:33.000 She thinks you're at Target.
01:04:33.000 I think what it's going to be is, like, we're all going to have our own Google Glasses, but it's also going to have something that broadcasts our avatar, so it's not going to...
01:04:40.000 We're going to feel comfortable you recording me because my face is going to be replaced with a cat face and my voice is going to be replaced with something else.
01:04:48.000 That's just your retarded world.
01:04:49.000 No one's buying into that.
01:04:51.000 Get the fuck out of here.
01:04:52.000 In some ways there's a race between glass and other forms of augmented reality too.
01:04:59.000 Like this thing I brought over here.
01:05:01.000 This little piece of cardboard.
01:05:02.000 But ultimately isn't glasses the most convenient to have on and more common because people have them on all the time anyway.
01:05:09.000 Oh, no, definitely.
01:05:10.000 What is this, Brian?
01:05:10.000 What do you got here?
01:05:11.000 This is Oakley Airwaves, which is kind of like their version of, I don't know, like a Google Glass, where it has its own speed.
01:05:18.000 So ski goggles.
01:05:20.000 Yeah.
01:05:21.000 Dude.
01:05:21.000 You can drive around with those.
01:05:23.000 That is dope.
01:05:23.000 That's what I'm talking about.
01:05:24.000 Remember when I said the privacy face?
01:05:28.000 That's what I was kind of talking about.
01:05:30.000 Whoa, whoa, hold up, hold up.
01:05:31.000 It has navigation?
01:05:32.000 Yeah.
01:05:33.000 Wait a minute, back that up.
01:05:34.000 It has fucking navigation in your ski goggles?
01:05:37.000 Do you want to listen to this?
01:05:38.000 Fuck yeah!
01:05:39.000 Play that shit.
01:05:40.000 That's the craziest thing I've ever heard in my life.
01:05:45.000 That's amazing!
01:05:49.000 Airwave 1.5, technology that delivers the good straight to your brain.
01:05:54.000 So what we're seeing right now is the speed, how fast you're going, the altitude, vertical, your jump analytics, so how high you're jumping, and it's showing as you're looking down the speed, your airtime,
01:06:11.000 Buddy tracking.
01:06:12.000 Your phone.
01:06:13.000 You can play music with this fucking thing.
01:06:15.000 You're getting text messages.
01:06:17.000 You're looking at your navigation screen.
01:06:19.000 Look at you.
01:06:20.000 You're picking your music.
01:06:22.000 All dogshit music.
01:06:23.000 Jesus Christ, kid.
01:06:25.000 You've got such cool technology.
01:06:26.000 But you're skiing.
01:06:27.000 You're like, yeah!
01:06:27.000 But you're skiing.
01:06:28.000 Fuck, man.
01:06:29.000 How are you interacting with all that stuff, though?
01:06:31.000 Um, poorly.
01:06:33.000 Crashing into trees.
01:06:34.000 Sunny bodoing yourself left and right.
01:06:37.000 Look at the fucking...
01:06:39.000 Oh, it slips off different lenses.
01:06:41.000 Yeah, you can put it on sunglasses.
01:06:42.000 Dude, you can go Terminator style.
01:06:44.000 I think I'm just going to wear this to the mall.
01:06:46.000 That's what I'm saying!
01:06:46.000 It's just the paparazzi glasses thing that I was talking about.
01:06:49.000 Like, it's going to be Star Wars.
01:06:51.000 She had the really big one that went over your whole face.
01:06:54.000 That bitch is smart with that.
01:06:55.000 That was a good move.
01:06:56.000 This is amazing, man.
01:06:58.000 But if you're a skier...
01:06:59.000 Do you ski, Brian?
01:07:00.000 Yeah.
01:07:01.000 I love skiing.
01:07:01.000 I used to be in a ski club.
01:07:02.000 Dude, ski with one of these bitches on?
01:07:04.000 God damn, that would be cool as fuck.
01:07:06.000 That's amazing.
01:07:07.000 Oakley.
01:07:08.000 Fuck yeah, Oakley.
01:07:09.000 Oakley.com Airwave if you want to watch it if you're listening to this.
01:07:12.000 That's amazing.
01:07:13.000 What a great idea.
01:07:14.000 It's only a matter of time before someone did that.
01:07:16.000 That's way better than Google Glass.
01:07:17.000 $600.
01:07:18.000 That ain't bad.
01:07:20.000 Yeah, that's not bad.
01:07:21.000 That's way better than Google Glass, though.
01:07:22.000 I sometimes feel like when I watch those promos, though, that it's not...
01:07:25.000 They're bullshit.
01:07:26.000 Yeah, it should be you doing it.
01:07:28.000 Well, you know.
01:07:29.000 I mean, that's what you do.
01:07:30.000 That's what I do, man.
01:07:30.000 I take the bullshit out of it.
01:07:32.000 What's been the most disappointing product that you had to do that to?
01:07:35.000 Wow.
01:07:36.000 Was there one product that you got?
01:07:38.000 Sometimes, like, I'm trying to think right now.
01:07:40.000 Sometimes it's so shit that I wouldn't even want to give it the exposure, you know?
01:07:47.000 That's smart.
01:07:49.000 Give me an example of that so we can give it some exposure.
01:07:54.000 Some guy...
01:07:55.000 I hate doing this, though.
01:07:56.000 Some guys, it's like their dream.
01:07:58.000 They got a prototype product.
01:08:00.000 Fuck them.
01:08:00.000 Fuck them.
01:08:01.000 They're shitty ideas.
01:08:02.000 One guy had...
01:08:03.000 This was back in the day when a lot of people were into little docking stands for your phones and shit like that.
01:08:11.000 And some guy had one essentially glued onto your phone.
01:08:16.000 It was this sloppy material.
01:08:20.000 I regretted it immediately.
01:08:21.000 I was upset.
01:08:22.000 So that's an example.
01:08:23.000 So you put it on your phone?
01:08:25.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:08:26.000 Ugh, how'd you clean it off?
01:08:27.000 Like rubbing alcohol and shit?
01:08:29.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:08:31.000 That's it?
01:08:32.000 So a glue was the worst thing?
01:08:33.000 A glue, a shitty glue.
01:08:34.000 No, I mean, let me think.
01:08:35.000 What about like big time stuff?
01:08:37.000 Like a phone or a laptop that was dog shit?
01:08:40.000 Oh, wow.
01:08:42.000 You want to go there.
01:08:43.000 I do want to go there.
01:08:44.000 I was upset with my PlayStation 4. Really?
01:08:47.000 How come?
01:08:48.000 Because the controllers are not very durable.
01:08:50.000 I had within a few weeks, I had the rubber from the thumbsticks starting to degenerate.
01:08:57.000 I posted a video.
01:08:58.000 It has almost a million views.
01:09:00.000 Oh my goodness.
01:09:01.000 I'll tell you what I'm sick of.
01:09:03.000 Behringer mixers.
01:09:05.000 I found out that Behringer, as a company, I've always used Behringer because I've always supported German brands.
01:09:10.000 No, it's just German brands.
01:09:12.000 It's Chinese.
01:09:13.000 Oh, is it?
01:09:14.000 But it was created in Germany, right?
01:09:15.000 I think they just use a German name.
01:09:17.000 Okay, so hilarious.
01:09:19.000 Brian's done his research, bro.
01:09:20.000 He always used German.
01:09:22.000 Wait, what?
01:09:23.000 I don't know if it's Chinese.
01:09:24.000 I'm pretty sure it's not German, though.
01:09:25.000 Wait, no, no.
01:09:26.000 Actually, it was just the first mixer I ever got, so I just went with it.
01:09:29.000 But I've had to replace, like, I've spent more on mixers in the last five years, and then I researched it.
01:09:35.000 Podcast mixers.
01:09:35.000 Yeah, podcast mixers.
01:09:36.000 I just had to replace my third one, and this time I went with Yamaha, just whatever.
01:09:40.000 But I found out that there's like class, like in the past, they've had like lawsuits and stuff where pretty much they just take a good mixer and just copy it with shitty parts.
01:09:49.000 Like they're like the first version of like when you go get a fake iPhone in China.
01:09:53.000 It's the exact same shit.
01:09:55.000 But like I went to a guitar center the other day and they were like, yeah, we stopped carrying all of Behringer because of this.
01:10:01.000 And I just now found out after spending so much money on Behringer and having so much shit fry out.
01:10:08.000 So Yamaha's a good move though, right?
01:10:10.000 Yamaha's pretty good.
01:10:11.000 There's something with an M, I can't remember, like Moki.
01:10:13.000 Mackie.
01:10:14.000 Mackie.
01:10:14.000 Mackie supposedly is what everyone else loves.
01:10:16.000 How many times have you burnt out?
01:10:18.000 What do we have here?
01:10:19.000 What does that say?
01:10:19.000 This is a Behringer in the headphones.
01:10:22.000 Jesus.
01:10:23.000 But yeah, I've replaced three $400, $500 mixers in the last two years, three years.
01:10:30.000 Damn.
01:10:30.000 Damn.
01:10:30.000 My headphone jack just went out yesterday.
01:10:33.000 This is our second headphone jack.
01:10:35.000 Yeah, headphone jacks went out all the time.
01:10:36.000 They all fucking suck.
01:10:38.000 I'm sorry, Beringer.
01:10:39.000 I'm not a fan anymore.
01:10:40.000 I can't believe he said that.
01:10:41.000 These mics are the shit, though.
01:10:41.000 I just want to say that the statements you just heard, the opinions, are only that of Brian Redband.
01:10:47.000 That's my opinion.
01:10:48.000 They do not represent the rest of this podcast.
01:10:50.000 You know, in general, though, products have gotten a lot better.
01:10:54.000 They have to, right?
01:10:54.000 They've gotten just market-wide.
01:10:56.000 You You can't get away with a dud.
01:10:58.000 No, it's just too much PR now.
01:11:01.000 Yeah, and total exposure.
01:11:05.000 That's one thing I fucking love, and one of the reasons why I wanted to have you on is the kind of videos that you do, and there's a lot of other folks that are doing them now, they're so comprehensive.
01:11:15.000 They would have never existed on a network television show.
01:11:18.000 Even when you used to have the old tech TV days, which was excellent.
01:11:23.000 I love the screensavers.
01:11:24.000 I love that.
01:11:25.000 They didn't have the time to do what you're doing.
01:11:27.000 And specific to that device, like, you don't have to worry about, you know, oh, I have to be off the air in six minutes because that's when the commercial goes.
01:11:35.000 We have to go to break.
01:11:36.000 There's no break.
01:11:37.000 All that stuff is dog shit.
01:11:39.000 That's a dumb...
01:11:40.000 That's silent movies.
01:11:41.000 Right, right, right, right.
01:11:41.000 You're doing a puppet show.
01:11:43.000 You might as well be showing, this is a real monster.
01:11:46.000 No, it's not.
01:11:47.000 Okay?
01:11:47.000 You can't use rubber claymation anymore.
01:11:49.000 It's 2014, you fuck.
01:11:51.000 And you can't keep reviewing tech items on television.
01:11:54.000 So...
01:11:54.000 Essentially, what's going on is the internet has created a platform for you guys to completely change the technology review market and make it super interactive.
01:12:03.000 Say if you're thinking about getting a new iPhone.
01:12:05.000 You go online, go to CNET, go to your site, go to all these different sites, and you'll just hit review after review after review.
01:12:12.000 Informed, detailed, in-depth reviews that many times the guy will say, I've had this phone for the past five days fucking with it.
01:12:20.000 Here are my thoughts.
01:12:21.000 You're just not going to get that anywhere else.
01:12:23.000 No, it's...
01:12:24.000 The platform has enabled that to happen.
01:12:28.000 Like it's enabled so many new forms of entertainment to happen.
01:12:31.000 Like this?
01:12:31.000 Like podcasting?
01:12:32.000 Like this, for example.
01:12:33.000 Nobody would have given us a show.
01:12:35.000 Not a fucking chance in hell.
01:12:36.000 A radio show?
01:12:37.000 Yeah, I'm bringing this guy with me.
01:12:39.000 But it's not as good...
01:12:40.000 He occasionally says retarded shit, but it's kind of cute.
01:12:42.000 It's not as good because of the...
01:12:43.000 Even the way you said that.
01:12:45.000 In the old days, old media, somebody had to give you something.
01:12:48.000 You know what I mean?
01:12:48.000 Right.
01:12:49.000 Now, you go out and get it.
01:12:51.000 Well, see, the old days, someone had to hire you for a show.
01:12:54.000 That's what I mean, yeah.
01:12:54.000 There's no way.
01:12:55.000 There was a predetermined time slot.
01:12:57.000 Like, if you had a radio station, all you have on that radio station is the times that you're broadcasting.
01:13:02.000 Right.
01:13:02.000 We could simultaneously broadcast.
01:13:05.000 I mean, we could, if we wanted to, if Brian and I got together and said, you know what, let's start a fucking podcast empire.
01:13:10.000 Let's, like, get everybody that we can contact online, have them send us...
01:13:14.000 We could start hiring people.
01:13:16.000 Before you know it, we could have 50 podcasts going on at the same time, just dumping them out into the internet.
01:13:21.000 You don't have to have a 24-hour time period where Frosty, Heidi, and Frank are from 8 to 10, and then after that, it's fucking Conway and Steckler.
01:13:29.000 You don't have to have that anymore.
01:13:31.000 No, and it brings up a lot of deficiencies in the traditional media model.
01:13:35.000 The dinosaurs!
01:13:37.000 Yeah, everything is essentially on demand.
01:13:39.000 And it honestly feels strange for me to plan my day around a live event.
01:13:44.000 How about watching commercials?
01:13:45.000 Don't you want to fucking throw up in your pants?
01:13:48.000 Like, what are you showing me?
01:13:50.000 Why is the program stopping for this horse shit?
01:13:53.000 To be honest with you, commercials don't We need to be as bad as they are.
01:13:56.000 No, look at our formula, Joe.
01:13:58.000 Now, we might do it a little long, but what if we were advertising Coca-Cola in 30 seconds and we could do whatever the fuck we want?
01:14:04.000 I would watch that.
01:14:05.000 See, here's the thing.
01:14:06.000 When the Super Bowl happens, everyone...
01:14:08.000 I've got to replenish my glycogen.
01:14:11.000 Corn syrup is good after you come.
01:14:13.000 I've got to put a frog inside that can of Coke for two weeks.
01:14:16.000 Is Coke bad for you?
01:14:17.000 Fuck yeah, it's bad for you.
01:14:18.000 So is living in a city, you fuckface.
01:14:21.000 Have a Coke and a smile and shut the fuck up, bitch.
01:14:23.000 It's old school.
01:14:26.000 Yeah, but the only reason why that works is because I forced that.
01:14:31.000 They're constantly trying to get me to do ads in the middle of podcasts.
01:14:33.000 Oh yeah, definitely.
01:14:34.000 Every new ad, that's one of the first things that comes up that's a debate.
01:14:38.000 They want to interrupt the show and insert ads.
01:14:41.000 I'm like, that's not an option.
01:14:43.000 It's a super crappy model.
01:14:46.000 It doesn't work.
01:14:46.000 No, it doesn't.
01:14:47.000 It's offensive.
01:14:48.000 It's a holdover from a time that doesn't exist anymore.
01:14:51.000 It's like, well, let's just take the platform that existed...
01:14:54.000 And bolt it on to this new thing instead of developing something from the ground up that fits with this language.
01:15:00.000 This is a whole new language.
01:15:02.000 I even feel this way about individual social networks.
01:15:05.000 I feel like YouTube has a language, Facebook has a language, Twitter has a language, Instagram.
01:15:11.000 When you're a content producer, you sort of feel like all those places are the same because you're broadcasting to all of them.
01:15:17.000 But ultimately, more often than not, those users are platform independent.
01:15:21.000 They have a place where they like to get at you more than one other place, and that becomes their habit.
01:15:26.000 And so, since their consumption model is unique, so say you're people who view this podcast on YouTube versus who listen to the audio only versus who...
01:15:38.000 Independent people, all with their own mindset.
01:15:42.000 And trying to figure out the right way of interacting with all those groups is something that big brands are trying to do now through their social experiments, etc.
01:15:52.000 So when people come and talk to me, brands or...
01:15:57.000 Advertisers or whoever it might be, it's like, listen, we need to build something from the ground up native to this platform.
01:16:03.000 Don't bring me something from somewhere else.
01:16:06.000 This is not a national ad campaign.
01:16:08.000 This is 850,000 very sophisticated viewers with a super high sensitivity to bullshit, right?
01:16:17.000 Because they're not used to getting it here.
01:16:19.000 They're not getting any of it.
01:16:20.000 They're not getting any of it.
01:16:21.000 About your own life.
01:16:22.000 That's right.
01:16:23.000 People who are hosting podcasts will tell you the truth about their own personal fuck-ups.
01:16:27.000 Exactly.
01:16:28.000 And so, it's a really unique proposition.
01:16:31.000 Huge value.
01:16:33.000 Huge value for a brand.
01:16:34.000 In some ways, I feel like this whole marketplace is heavily undervalued.
01:16:38.000 When you compare CPM figures from the traditional media world to this world, these people are more fucking dedicated.
01:16:44.000 Well, they're loyal if they know that you're kicking them the real deal.
01:16:47.000 Unbox Therapy is not going to lie.
01:16:50.000 You're not going to lie.
01:16:52.000 I'm me.
01:16:55.000 You're deep into discovering the flaws, which is actually essential to the development process.
01:17:01.000 For sure.
01:17:02.000 To ensure that you still have a job and that these companies create and innovate.
01:17:06.000 It might be painful for them.
01:17:08.000 They might not enjoy some of your criticisms, but it's critical.
01:17:11.000 I'll give you an example right now.
01:17:12.000 Please do.
01:17:13.000 Live example.
01:17:14.000 What live example?
01:17:16.000 Samsung keeps making these shitty ass chargers, okay?
01:17:20.000 Yes.
01:17:21.000 Look at this damn thing.
01:17:22.000 This is the charger for their watch.
01:17:24.000 This is a beautiful looking device.
01:17:26.000 That's the charger.
01:17:27.000 Install the charger, Joe.
01:17:28.000 Go for it.
01:17:29.000 Bitch, I'm super clever.
01:17:29.000 You know who also has done that in the past?
01:17:31.000 Sony used to do that shit all the time with their Bluetooth headsets and shit.
01:17:34.000 Oh, you mean proprietary stuff?
01:17:36.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:17:36.000 That's it?
01:17:36.000 These are all going to be proprietary.
01:17:37.000 That's what you got to do every night before bed.
01:17:39.000 You're not doing that.
01:17:41.000 You had a few drinks.
01:17:42.000 Well, that's why the new Apple watch is going to be...
01:17:44.000 Dude, I'm coordinated as fuck.
01:17:46.000 I'll do this all day.
01:17:47.000 I'll be on heroin.
01:17:47.000 I'll do this.
01:17:48.000 I'm not saying you can't do it, but that's not a pleasurable experience.
01:17:52.000 You're so funny.
01:17:53.000 So you would like it to be just like a regular USB? Because, you remember what I said before about opening up an Apple laptop?
01:17:59.000 That breath of fresh air that you get, you can't measure it.
01:18:04.000 It just keeps you liking and using the device.
01:18:07.000 It's sort of like their keyboards and their mice.
01:18:09.000 They're so clean and everything.
01:18:11.000 I just want to look at the damn thing.
01:18:14.000 You know what I mean?
01:18:14.000 If a beautiful thing will always be more attractive, I forgot the damn charger for the LG G-Watch.
01:18:19.000 No worries.
01:18:20.000 LG, on the other hand, the entire back is a magnet.
01:18:23.000 All you do is just drop it.
01:18:25.000 LG wins.
01:18:26.000 Better.
01:18:27.000 Apple's new watch, you just lay it down on the counter.
01:18:29.000 Of course.
01:18:30.000 Wait a minute.
01:18:31.000 You lay it down on the counter and it charges?
01:18:33.000 Yep.
01:18:33.000 How's that work?
01:18:34.000 Hold on.
01:18:35.000 How's that possible?
01:18:36.000 Go ahead.
01:18:36.000 Well, a lot of...
01:18:37.000 You can do this right now.
01:18:38.000 You can go to Best Buy and buy these things that fit on the back of your phone.
01:18:42.000 You don't need to buy...
01:18:43.000 In some phones, you don't need to buy anything.
01:18:44.000 This is already Qi-enabled.
01:18:45.000 Yeah, yes.
01:18:46.000 Where you can just lay it down on a mat and it will charge.
01:18:48.000 Oh, a mat.
01:18:48.000 A specific part.
01:18:49.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:18:50.000 Okay.
01:18:50.000 I thought you were saying it charges in the air.
01:18:52.000 No, no.
01:18:53.000 Apple's new...
01:18:57.000 I'll tell you my one criticism of the mats.
01:19:01.000 The problem with the mat is traveling.
01:19:03.000 Traveling with a goddamn mat.
01:19:05.000 Unless it becomes as big as the iPhone and then hotels just have that mat, which is probably going to happen.
01:19:10.000 It's going to take a while, but Starbucks actually are starting to implement Qi-enabled surfaces.
01:19:15.000 So, it will happen, but it's definitely not there yet.
01:19:18.000 And in the meantime, the little charger for this LG, it's super thin and it's about the size of the watch.
01:19:22.000 And they can connect if you put them together in your bag.
01:19:25.000 Because it has a magnet.
01:19:26.000 But I had the watch before this, the Galaxy Gear.
01:19:30.000 Okay?
01:19:30.000 This is the Gear Live.
01:19:32.000 The naming conventions are terrible.
01:19:34.000 That's one of the hardest parts of the job, actually.
01:19:36.000 Just getting the names right.
01:19:37.000 Well, it's better than the old days of model numbers.
01:19:39.000 Yeah, I guess so.
01:19:40.000 But anyway, the Galaxy Gear had this wacky thing that strapped around the whole device.
01:19:46.000 It was shit.
01:19:47.000 It screwed up the experience for me, and I think they ruined the device.
01:19:50.000 If the UI... See, UI doesn't end here.
01:19:53.000 User interface.
01:19:54.000 Yeah, exactly.
01:19:55.000 Or UE... For people who are going, who the fuck is this?
01:19:58.000 Or user experience in general.
01:20:00.000 A lot of people assume, like, if you're a developer, you're building it for this and that's it.
01:20:04.000 No.
01:20:05.000 This is UI. This is aluminum.
01:20:07.000 Or UE. It's user experience.
01:20:09.000 The whole experience is encompassed in the way you interact with the damn thing.
01:20:13.000 Dude, you sound like a wine connoisseur.
01:20:14.000 Ha ha!
01:20:14.000 You sound like one of those dudes who's really in a certain grade.
01:20:16.000 Yeah, I think I'm getting fired up right now.
01:20:18.000 I like this guy.
01:20:22.000 Yeah, I like you too, man.
01:20:23.000 I agree with you 100%.
01:20:24.000 And I think that also what we were saying before is that these criticisms, this very detailed review that you'll do about these products is super critical.
01:20:35.000 Super critical for the development.
01:20:37.000 They should be hiring you.
01:20:38.000 Oh, I get lots of interest from them.
01:20:40.000 Do you get offers?
01:20:41.000 Did Apple tell you to shut the fuck up?
01:20:43.000 Just come over here.
01:20:44.000 I'm sure Apple's not a huge fan of mine because I did some leaking of different components.
01:20:49.000 Oh, how dare you?
01:20:50.000 How did you do that?
01:20:51.000 Did you get it offline?
01:20:52.000 From China, yeah.
01:20:53.000 It's on the internet.
01:20:54.000 It's out there.
01:20:55.000 It's like pee in the ocean.
01:20:57.000 You've got to deal with it.
01:20:58.000 They're probably not a big fan of mine.
01:20:59.000 It's funny, at their keynote, I had leaked the iPad Air chassis, the entire body, before it came out.
01:21:06.000 So I had the entire form factor, right?
01:21:08.000 It was on Forbes.
01:21:09.000 Did they get mad at you?
01:21:11.000 No, they didn't.
01:21:11.000 I never heard a word about it, but in the keynote, they addressed it.
01:21:15.000 Like, the big keynote that everyone was watching, they're like, we think you guys might be familiar with this next device.
01:21:20.000 Like, Tim Cook addressed it.
01:21:22.000 So I was like...
01:21:23.000 Did you feel like a certain amount of geek power right there?
01:21:25.000 I'm on the radar.
01:21:26.000 Ooh.
01:21:26.000 Did you feel like you did something?
01:21:28.000 Like you made an impact?
01:21:29.000 No, I didn't.
01:21:30.000 I didn't really because I feel like these things are going to leak out regardless.
01:21:33.000 There's just so much.
01:21:33.000 Because of guys like you.
01:21:35.000 Yeah.
01:21:35.000 That's like saying someone's going to murder someone regardless.
01:21:37.000 Yeah.
01:21:37.000 Well, because of a murderer.
01:21:40.000 I guess you're right about that.
01:21:41.000 But I honestly, I'm much more interested in the demand for it.
01:21:46.000 Like why do people care so much?
01:21:47.000 That's another thing that shows about how...
01:21:50.000 Our attachment to these devices is insane.
01:21:53.000 I put out a video like that and it's like, I don't know, 2 million views.
01:21:57.000 It's on Forbes.
01:21:59.000 It was everywhere.
01:22:01.000 I had the Google notifications turned on for whenever I was getting a news notification every time my name was being used.
01:22:07.000 It was just going off.
01:22:08.000 It was on all these different sites that were embedding my video.
01:22:13.000 They're doing it because investors want to make adjustments to their plans Based on the reviews.
01:22:23.000 Not the review, I mean the leak.
01:22:26.000 So they see the iPad Air chassis before it actually comes out and they go, hmm, are people going to like that chassis?
01:22:32.000 Are people going to buy that chassis?
01:22:34.000 When there's a leak, do you give opinions on the leak?
01:22:37.000 Yeah, I compare it to the old one.
01:22:40.000 I do physical dimensions.
01:22:41.000 I pull the measuring tape out.
01:22:43.000 Have you ever known of anyone that's given some sort of review and it's actually changed the final product because they listened to what people were saying about a leaked product and went, wait, wait, wait, hit the brakes.
01:22:53.000 This could be a disaster.
01:22:54.000 That's a good question.
01:22:55.000 Probably on Kickstarter or something like that.
01:22:58.000 But not on a big...
01:22:59.000 I don't feel like they would ever let you know.
01:23:01.000 You know what I mean?
01:23:02.000 But I think brands...
01:23:05.000 Are definitely paying attention to the chatter.
01:23:08.000 They need to.
01:23:09.000 And the market research is going deep now.
01:23:11.000 They invest way too much money in creating these things to take a risk that everyone's going to hate it.
01:23:18.000 And a guy like you is a direct line to that.
01:23:21.000 Yeah, I'm tapped into the pipeline now.
01:23:23.000 You're doing this all day long?
01:23:25.000 Access to the vein.
01:23:26.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:23:26.000 This is my thing.
01:23:27.000 When I used to do cameras, when those little baby video cameras became really popular, whatever those were called.
01:23:35.000 Remember, you used to have a couple of them.
01:23:36.000 The HD ones with the SD cards.
01:23:38.000 Yeah.
01:23:40.000 Kodak had one, and I did a really bad review on one of Kodak's little ones when it first came out.
01:23:46.000 Yeah, I remember exactly what you're talking about.
01:23:47.000 Yeah, and it was because during low lighting and stuff like that, it had a bunch of fucked up problems.
01:23:52.000 Noise.
01:23:53.000 Yeah, Kodak Contact, I mean, they actually did a firmware upgrade based on just one review.
01:23:57.000 Oh, there you go.
01:23:58.000 Here's an example.
01:23:58.000 Yeah.
01:23:59.000 That's tremendous.
01:24:00.000 Yeah.
01:24:01.000 Look, that's a super valuable resource for a company.
01:24:04.000 Definitely.
01:24:04.000 Because they're not going to get that kind of objectivity from the people that work there.
01:24:07.000 And there's also a hierarchy with managers and people that work under the managers.
01:24:11.000 And maybe the manager's a dick and he doesn't want to listen to Mike's advice.
01:24:14.000 And Mike is kind of soft-spoken, but he's got really good ideas.
01:24:17.000 There's a lot of that social shit that goes on in a giant corporation like that.
01:24:21.000 Something that doesn't get talked about is the cultural aspect.
01:24:25.000 The vast majority of this stuff comes from halfway across the world, right?
01:24:28.000 We all know that.
01:24:31.000 I don't know what I can say on this, but...
01:24:33.000 Are you withholding information?
01:24:34.000 No, I'm not withholding information.
01:24:36.000 I'm just...
01:24:36.000 He doesn't want to burn bridges.
01:24:38.000 There's a...
01:24:39.000 Yeah, I'm not going to name...
01:24:40.000 Just try a way to dance around it.
01:24:41.000 Yeah, I'm not going to name any brands.
01:24:43.000 Okay.
01:24:43.000 But some...
01:24:44.000 It rhymes with Amsjung?
01:24:47.000 Some are completely out of touch with the way life works over here.
01:24:52.000 Okay, in America.
01:24:54.000 I see.
01:24:54.000 That makes sense.
01:24:55.000 And it shines through in certain decision making when it comes not only to products, but to the way they market those products, to the way they communicate with press, or the way they communicate with their own people.
01:25:08.000 I've been in some circumstances where it's been very foreign.
01:25:14.000 That makes a tremendous amount of sense.
01:25:16.000 And it seems like, of course, it seems obvious.
01:25:20.000 Yeah, but everyone wants to pretend that User experience in Asia is the same thing that we're going to want here.
01:25:27.000 Right.
01:25:28.000 You know?
01:25:28.000 Like, how many...
01:25:30.000 Okay, I'm going to go on a bit of an Android rant right now.
01:25:32.000 Don't do it!
01:25:33.000 This is a Nexus 5, okay?
01:25:35.000 Beautiful phone.
01:25:36.000 This is a Google product.
01:25:39.000 This is the unadulterated Android experience the way Google intended.
01:25:43.000 I don't know if they would have intended that wallpaper.
01:25:45.000 No, they probably didn't.
01:25:46.000 Actually, that's a good friend of mine.
01:25:47.000 Please don't say anything about that.
01:25:49.000 I don't even know what it is.
01:25:50.000 I'm just fucking around.
01:25:52.000 No, you're right.
01:25:53.000 It wouldn't be stock.
01:25:53.000 That's not a stock wallpaper.
01:25:56.000 They have the best developers in the world.
01:25:59.000 If you're a badass developer, where are you going to work?
01:26:02.000 Apple?
01:26:02.000 Google?
01:26:03.000 Amazon?
01:26:04.000 I mean, whatever.
01:26:04.000 Somewhere in Silicon Valley.
01:26:06.000 Somewhere in the Pacific Northwest.
01:26:08.000 You'll be all set.
01:26:09.000 If you're the best developer in the world, you go into Asia?
01:26:12.000 Is that your number one priority?
01:26:14.000 Is that where you're going to go?
01:26:14.000 If you like Asian chicks and heroin.
01:26:17.000 Are you going to Japan in September?
01:26:19.000 I'll let you know.
01:26:20.000 But anyway, here's the problem.
01:26:22.000 The R&D that goes into that software, extensive.
01:26:26.000 So much money.
01:26:27.000 So many smart people, right?
01:26:30.000 What does Samsung do?
01:26:31.000 Three weeks, they overhaul the motherfucker.
01:26:33.000 Come on!
01:26:34.000 How are you going to take something that took that long to develop and you're going to skin it and you're going to change everything about it?
01:26:41.000 In three weeks?
01:26:42.000 Well, no, I'm exaggerating.
01:26:43.000 Oh.
01:26:44.000 If you pick up a Samsung device, it's not the same as an LG device, it's not the same as a Motorola device, it's not the same.
01:26:49.000 There's this fragmentation.
01:26:51.000 In the tech space, it's called the F-word, by the way.
01:26:54.000 Fragmentation.
01:26:55.000 They call it the F-word?
01:26:56.000 It's a big deal.
01:26:57.000 Because they decide to add their own user interface.
01:27:00.000 Bullshit.
01:27:01.000 Samsung has their own thing that they do.
01:27:04.000 What is it called?
01:27:05.000 Their UI is called TouchWiz.
01:27:08.000 Yeah, what?
01:27:08.000 You're not touching my dick.
01:27:11.000 That's what I hear.
01:27:13.000 TouchWiz.
01:27:13.000 I'm peeing.
01:27:14.000 So that's the original operating system and everything.
01:27:17.000 Is it night and day difference?
01:27:19.000 Because I've always used, I guess, a skin version.
01:27:22.000 I've always used Samsung.
01:27:23.000 Fuck them all.
01:27:23.000 Fuck all that shit.
01:27:24.000 This guy's hardcore, dude.
01:27:26.000 He's super hardcore.
01:27:27.000 He's like Antonopoulos.
01:27:28.000 Remember Antonopoulos said that?
01:27:29.000 He breaks everything down and roots it.
01:27:32.000 Yeah, here's the thing.
01:27:32.000 It's like, I just really believe in the intelligence level of the original developers.
01:27:38.000 And I can't imagine how they sleep at night knowing that most people's interpretation of Android is a Galaxy device.
01:27:45.000 They're like artists, man!
01:27:48.000 They're sitting there.
01:27:48.000 This is their art form.
01:27:50.000 And they're sitting there putting all of this energy into simple decisions like the shape of an icon.
01:27:55.000 You know what I mean?
01:27:56.000 Right.
01:27:56.000 And then someone goes, he goes, I will build a better eye gun.
01:27:59.000 It'll be a happy face.
01:28:00.000 No big deal.
01:28:01.000 You know, it doesn't make any sense.
01:28:04.000 It would be like you get some beautiful painting and you send it halfway across the world to Asia and tell them, eh, do what you want with it.
01:28:11.000 Right.
01:28:12.000 We never do that with any other kind of art.
01:28:14.000 That's interesting.
01:28:15.000 So you're accepting it as an art form.
01:28:17.000 I guess you're right.
01:28:18.000 It's created.
01:28:19.000 Someone creates it.
01:28:20.000 Someone draws the whole thing up, man.
01:28:22.000 The guy behind this is Matias Duarte.
01:28:25.000 He was at Google I.O. He's their lead designer.
01:28:29.000 And it's about to get overhauled as well.
01:28:31.000 The new version is called L. And it's even more beautiful, in my opinion, than this 4.4.4 that I'm working on right now.
01:28:38.000 Wow.
01:28:39.000 But here's another problem.
01:28:40.000 I'm using 4.4.4.
01:28:42.000 That's the latest Android OS. What's that called?
01:28:46.000 It's always candy, right?
01:28:47.000 KitKat, yeah.
01:28:48.000 KitKat.
01:28:49.000 This version, that specific iteration of this software, you will not find it on any Galaxy device right now, right?
01:28:58.000 The updates, and this is a big discussion because...
01:29:03.000 We're going to involve the carriers now.
01:29:05.000 The carriers are really to blame for enabling this process.
01:29:11.000 So Android in the beginning...
01:29:12.000 Android has had to make so many sacrifices to catch up.
01:29:15.000 And one of those sacrifices is letting carriers dictate how they're going to implement these devices.
01:29:20.000 Verizon, AT&T, etc.
01:29:22.000 So you buy a phone from Verizon, there's a bunch of bullshit from Verizon.
01:29:25.000 You boot it up and you see a Verizon logo, which is disgusting.
01:29:27.000 Dude, in some cases, they put the logo right on the outside of the phone.
01:29:31.000 There was a Galaxy, I think the S4, had Verizon on the button on the front.
01:29:35.000 Tiny little button strapped with Verizon.
01:29:39.000 So those are changes that the carriers want to make because they're hoping to build their own ecosystems and capitalize more.
01:29:45.000 The carriers are not in an innovative business.
01:29:49.000 They're in an accounting business of finding a way to just juice you for a few more pennies.
01:29:54.000 You could do a little Ting spot right now if you want.
01:29:56.000 Except for Ting, Joe.
01:29:57.000 Except for Ting.
01:29:57.000 In the middle of the pocket.
01:29:58.000 That's it.
01:29:59.000 That's it.
01:29:59.000 They're clever.
01:30:00.000 Yeah.
01:30:00.000 Now when an economy moves in that direction where their objective is just to pinch more pennies, what happens to innovation?
01:30:06.000 It takes a fucking nosedive.
01:30:07.000 A fucking nosedive.
01:30:08.000 A fucking nosedive.
01:30:10.000 It does.
01:30:10.000 And because all of a sudden now, the bottom line is affected by someone, some nerd, with a report in front of them saying, just get rid of that, you know, whatever.
01:30:21.000 It's made through subtraction, not addition.
01:30:25.000 That's fascinating.
01:30:26.000 That's a really interesting way to look at it.
01:30:27.000 I really like the idea that it's a piece of art.
01:30:30.000 I love that you're looking at it that way.
01:30:31.000 Because you're absolutely correct.
01:30:32.000 I think of it as technology, but it is something that's created.
01:30:35.000 Anything created is art.
01:30:37.000 And it's certainly beautiful.
01:30:38.000 I love scrolling through.
01:30:40.000 I love how Android, like my Galaxy Note 3, has a different thing when I'm flipping through the pages.
01:30:46.000 Like an animation or something?
01:30:47.000 I love the fucking pen.
01:30:49.000 I love that they figured out how to do that.
01:30:51.000 You're using the pen on a regular basis?
01:30:53.000 I'm surprised.
01:30:54.000 Well, I'm a comic, so I write notes.
01:30:56.000 I knew that part.
01:30:59.000 I'm a big...
01:31:00.000 I think there's something about physically writing things that has a different impact.
01:31:04.000 And then I upload them to Evernote, so I have the actual note itself on my iPhone as well.
01:31:12.000 Definitely.
01:31:13.000 That's cool.
01:31:13.000 Oh, dude, Evernote is fucking fantastic.
01:31:16.000 But what I really love about it is that you take a note, like this here.
01:31:21.000 This is a note...
01:31:23.000 That I wrote on the note.
01:31:26.000 Wow, decent writing, man.
01:31:28.000 Yeah, not bad, right?
01:31:29.000 And you can put it here and it comes out like, you know, yellow paper.
01:31:33.000 Cool.
01:31:33.000 It's really big.
01:31:34.000 Can you see that?
01:31:36.000 You're not going to be able to see it because of the phone itself, just the glare.
01:31:40.000 But handwritten notes come off.
01:31:43.000 It's so responsive.
01:31:44.000 The pen is so responsive.
01:31:45.000 No, it is.
01:31:46.000 Definitely.
01:31:46.000 I agree.
01:31:47.000 Any handwritten note that you make looks really...
01:31:49.000 Like Alex Ohanian, he made a little Reddit alien.
01:31:53.000 On the note.
01:31:54.000 We put it up.
01:31:55.000 You do things with it.
01:31:57.000 There's no doubt that the pen has far more precision than your fingertip.
01:32:04.000 No doubt about it.
01:32:05.000 There's all kinds of industries that are affected by that.
01:32:08.000 Comedy is one, as you said, but also artists, for example, are doing insane illustrations on the note.
01:32:16.000 Top quality stuff that they put on there.
01:32:18.000 The apps that exist, like...
01:32:21.000 Different sketching apps.
01:32:22.000 What do you got there?
01:32:22.000 Is that something for an app?
01:32:23.000 No, it's a sketching app.
01:32:24.000 Yeah, this is actually an art app, and it's great because it's called ColorBox HD, and it has every single pen you could possibly imagine.
01:32:32.000 It's like a mini Photoshop.
01:32:34.000 So if you have a favorite pen that you actually like, it has the same character.
01:32:38.000 So now when you draw with a pen, a stylus, what kind of stylus do you use?
01:32:43.000 Do you have a specific one you use?
01:32:44.000 No, I mean, I just got this app recently because I've been trying to draw more on my iPad now.
01:32:50.000 I've been trying to use my iPad more.
01:32:52.000 Actually, I have two iPads and I've been trying to just carry this around instead of a laptop lately.
01:32:58.000 Surface, Microsoft's version of it, you know, just released this whole thing where you could trade in your old MacBook Air and get like $650 credit towards their new Surface, which is like their version of this mixed with a laptop or a MacBook Air.
01:33:12.000 So I've been trying to see if I could just use this more.
01:33:15.000 Tony Hinchcoff doesn't even have a computer.
01:33:17.000 Everything that he uses is just on an iPad.
01:33:21.000 That's ridiculous.
01:33:22.000 I know.
01:33:22.000 That is what I'm trying to see if I can get to, though.
01:33:24.000 Because I love this thing.
01:33:25.000 This is one of my favorite things of tech.
01:33:27.000 I just bought it.
01:33:28.000 It hasn't been delivered yet, but I'm looking forward to it.
01:33:30.000 I bought a mechanical keyboard.
01:33:31.000 Yeah.
01:33:32.000 You just got some major street cred in the tech world for doing that.
01:33:36.000 Yes, you did.
01:33:37.000 Ooh, nice.
01:33:39.000 I would miss that.
01:33:40.000 Of course you do, yeah.
01:33:42.000 It comes back to user experience in general.
01:33:44.000 Well, I think about, yeah, user experience is very critical.
01:33:47.000 I think about things that I enjoy.
01:33:48.000 I drive a manual transmission most of the time.
01:33:50.000 I like that.
01:33:51.000 I like shifting the gears.
01:33:54.000 I'm a part of it.
01:33:55.000 It's an enjoyable experience.
01:33:57.000 It's tactile.
01:33:58.000 Yeah.
01:33:58.000 You feel the snicks of the gear.
01:34:01.000 I mean, I wouldn't want to do it if I was stuck in traffic all the time, but if I'm not stuck in traffic, I know I'm not going to be.
01:34:05.000 I'll drive that car.
01:34:06.000 And I think there's something to that.
01:34:08.000 Tactile experience.
01:34:10.000 For sure.
01:34:10.000 There's a lot of pushback happening now.
01:34:13.000 Digital interfaces, people miss.
01:34:15.000 Mechanical keyboards are a perfect example.
01:34:17.000 It's also an issue with cars.
01:34:18.000 Electronic steering.
01:34:19.000 Electric steering is a new thing in sports cars.
01:34:24.000 There's actually a blowback and more people are buying older sports cars that have no power steering.
01:34:32.000 Like the old Porsches.
01:34:34.000 The old Porsches were super light cars and they had manual steering.
01:34:38.000 So you turn the wheel.
01:34:39.000 You felt everything.
01:34:41.000 You're connected to those front wheels like a go-kart.
01:34:44.000 And the new ones are totally electric, so it's sort of like a video game.
01:34:48.000 There's no difference.
01:34:49.000 Like if you have a hard turn or if you have an easy turn, there's no difference in the amount of effort that you have.
01:34:54.000 It's just going where you tell it to go.
01:34:56.000 Same as the transmissions.
01:34:57.000 I drove a GTR, which has the electronic transmission that can shift more efficiently than any human.
01:35:07.000 But it's like...
01:35:08.000 What is that really about?
01:35:10.000 What are we really connected to?
01:35:13.000 Do we really need to go that split second faster?
01:35:16.000 Or do we get more out of it, like you said, through feeling more of it?
01:35:21.000 It's hard to really pinpoint.
01:35:22.000 If you have an old-school muscle car and it's an automatic, you're missing out on half the fun of having an old-school muscle car.
01:35:29.000 Shifting those gears yourself.
01:35:30.000 I had an automatic Barracuda, and I hated it.
01:35:34.000 I hated the fact that it was automatic.
01:35:35.000 It used to drive me crazy, but that's how...
01:35:36.000 When they were building it, they were saying there's no way to put this engine with a manual transmission.
01:35:41.000 They're just knuckleheads.
01:35:42.000 Right.
01:35:43.000 But I talked to a guy.
01:35:44.000 I was going to have it fixed up before I wound up just selling it and getting rid of it because it was just a content nightmare.
01:35:48.000 There was a negative connotation probably associated with that.
01:35:50.000 Well, not because of the automatic transmission.
01:35:52.000 Oh.
01:35:52.000 It was because of the bill.
01:35:54.000 I had it built for a television show, and there was all this behind-the-scenes drama.
01:35:57.000 Not from the people that made the show, but from the builders of the car itself.
01:36:00.000 Oh.
01:36:01.000 It's a lot of nightmare shit that I don't want to get into.
01:36:04.000 Right, right, right.
01:36:04.000 The big nightmare shit was that I don't trust those things.
01:36:07.000 I got at home, and as I was pulling into my driveway, the suspension just detached from the frame.
01:36:13.000 I heard you say this, yes.
01:36:14.000 I was just on the highway 10 minutes ago going 65, 70 miles an hour in that fucking death trap.
01:36:18.000 That's freaky, man.
01:36:19.000 Which would have been horrendous.
01:36:20.000 If that blew out, I would have crashed into other people.
01:36:23.000 I know.
01:36:23.000 Who knows?
01:36:24.000 What if I was responsible for someone else being injured or killed?
01:36:27.000 I would have felt horrible just to drive this cool thing.
01:36:30.000 Yeah, it's true.
01:36:31.000 I sometimes get that feeling about fast cars in general.
01:36:36.000 I feel like you drive that car and you get in an accident and it's completely not your fault and everyone goes, look at the dickhead in the fast car.
01:36:43.000 Absolutely.
01:36:44.000 And they should.
01:36:45.000 I guess.
01:36:46.000 They should.
01:36:46.000 Because it does say something about your personality.
01:36:52.000 Well, a lot of auto insurers would say it does.
01:36:54.000 It also says something about your ability to control something.
01:36:57.000 And the problem with buying a fast car is that they don't have any gauge whatsoever on your ability to control it.
01:37:04.000 No.
01:37:04.000 Say like Tanner Faust, who's a race car driver, the guy on top gear.
01:37:07.000 I know him, yep.
01:37:07.000 If that guy...
01:37:08.000 I think?
01:37:24.000 With 500 horsepower.
01:37:25.000 How about more?
01:37:26.000 How about in a shitty chassis?
01:37:28.000 Like these new Shelby Mustangs.
01:37:30.000 I fucking love the Shelby Mustangs.
01:37:32.000 Right.
01:37:32.000 And they're not that good.
01:37:35.000 They have a solid rear axle.
01:37:38.000 I mean, it's a massive piece of engineering to control that solid rear axle.
01:37:42.000 But you could get one for like $50,000 and it has 660 fucking horsepower.
01:37:48.000 Right, right, right.
01:37:48.000 That's insane.
01:37:49.000 It is.
01:37:49.000 And it's so fun to drive.
01:37:51.000 They're one of the most fun American cars ever created.
01:37:53.000 The new Shelby Mustangs.
01:37:55.000 They're not the best handling car.
01:37:56.000 They don't brake the best.
01:37:58.000 The brakes are mushy.
01:37:59.000 The suspension is dog shit.
01:38:01.000 If you get a convertible, you might as well be driving around in a fucking wet lasagna noodle.
01:38:05.000 They're bouncing.
01:38:06.000 But the tactile feel that you get from those is so fun.
01:38:12.000 The boom, the engine, the whine of the fucking supercharger whine.
01:38:17.000 I think sometimes efficiency is boring.
01:38:20.000 Fuck yeah!
01:38:21.000 Priuses suck!
01:38:22.000 Those are boring as shit!
01:38:24.000 Not just fuel efficiency, but efficiency in general.
01:38:26.000 Think about coffee, for example.
01:38:28.000 You could find some crazy way to precision engineer some coffee bean and get it into a form factor that could ship to you already made.
01:38:38.000 But you talk to any coffee connoisseur and it's like, they gotta get the beans.
01:38:41.000 They gotta roast the beans.
01:38:43.000 They gotta put them in the grinder.
01:38:45.000 You know, part of the experience is not just the consumption of it, but everything leading up to it.
01:38:51.000 Yeah.
01:38:52.000 Actually, I heard you talking about addiction last night, and I was thinking, and you were talking about ritual on the podcast last night.
01:38:58.000 Yes.
01:39:00.000 It seems to me that, at least in my business, the ritual is the thing.
01:39:04.000 The wanting is way better than the having.
01:39:06.000 It's a lot of it.
01:39:08.000 I think it's better than the having.
01:39:10.000 I don't know about all that.
01:39:11.000 Because you want to know what happens when you have something?
01:39:14.000 You immediately start to think about whether or not you should still have it.
01:39:18.000 It has to enter your mind.
01:39:20.000 At some point.
01:39:21.000 I think that's an attitude though.
01:39:23.000 I think that's a matter of focus.
01:39:25.000 Because there are things that I have.
01:39:26.000 That you'll never get rid of?
01:39:27.000 That I never feel like that.
01:39:28.000 That you'll never get rid of?
01:39:29.000 No.
01:39:29.000 My car?
01:39:30.000 I mean, I might one day sell it.
01:39:32.000 You will one day sell it.
01:39:34.000 But I love it.
01:39:35.000 I've had it for a couple years.
01:39:36.000 I'm not saying you can't love products.
01:39:37.000 I'm just saying it's like a relationship.
01:39:40.000 It just changes.
01:39:41.000 When you see a really hot girl and you start to hit it off or whatever, that's a certain type of magic.
01:39:48.000 That can't ever happen again.
01:39:50.000 That's true.
01:39:50.000 Yeah, you can't ever recreate that.
01:39:52.000 And some people go their whole lives trying to get new magic.
01:39:55.000 Trying to get back to that first high.
01:39:56.000 I have a friend who did that for the longest time.
01:39:58.000 He eventually got married and had a kid.
01:39:59.000 But one of the things he said, he goes, I just want a lot of beginnings.
01:40:02.000 There you go.
01:40:03.000 He goes, I don't like relationships, man.
01:40:05.000 He goes, in the beginning, everybody's trying so hard.
01:40:08.000 Everybody's so excited.
01:40:10.000 Everybody's so friendly.
01:40:11.000 And he goes, and then all of a sudden, bitches are yelling at you.
01:40:14.000 Showing up at your house.
01:40:15.000 Overnight.
01:40:16.000 He goes, I just want a bunch of beginnings where people like me.
01:40:18.000 But not to pull this back and make it super nerdy, but it's the same thing here.
01:40:23.000 Right.
01:40:23.000 My channel is called Unbox Therapy for a reason.
01:40:26.000 That there is some kind of intangible thing that happens when you get some new thing.
01:40:31.000 Yeah, I think there's definitely something to it, but there's also, people would say it's material fetishism.
01:40:37.000 Oh, definitely.
01:40:38.000 When you're constantly obsessing about materials, maybe you should go for a fucking hike.
01:40:42.000 Yeah.
01:40:42.000 We should go out and look at the birds and see the meadows.
01:40:45.000 Except that the eventual future is everybody lying down on a couch with a VR headset interacting with a world that isn't real.
01:40:54.000 I think that's possible.
01:40:55.000 I think it's probably inevitable.
01:40:57.000 I mean, scientists believe that it may be going on right now.
01:41:00.000 That might be the world we actually live in.
01:41:02.000 It's just so complex and so good.
01:41:05.000 I wanted to talk about this cardboard over here.
01:41:07.000 What is it?
01:41:08.000 Getting back to VR. I could tell you weren't excited when I first picked it up because it's a piece of damn cardboard.
01:41:16.000 I assume there's something inside of it.
01:41:18.000 There's nothing inside of it?
01:41:19.000 For real?
01:41:20.000 Let's play this game.
01:41:21.000 Guess what it is, Joe Rogan.
01:41:22.000 Let me hold it.
01:41:23.000 Okay, but you can't open it though.
01:41:25.000 Okay.
01:41:26.000 It stays this way.
01:41:27.000 Yeah.
01:41:27.000 You know nothing of this, I assume.
01:41:29.000 No.
01:41:29.000 Absolutely nothing.
01:41:30.000 Okay.
01:41:30.000 To me, I would assume there's like a memory card in here or a screen or something that you're protecting.
01:41:36.000 Okay.
01:41:36.000 That this is the shipping material.
01:41:38.000 That's what I would assume.
01:41:38.000 Yeah.
01:41:39.000 This is the first thing they gave us at I.O. before they gave us any watches, and this is the world's cheapest VR headset right here.
01:41:45.000 Okay.
01:41:46.000 There you go.
01:41:47.000 That's what it is.
01:41:49.000 Huh.
01:41:49.000 So it opens up.
01:41:51.000 It opens up.
01:41:52.000 There's lenses inside of it.
01:41:53.000 You build it.
01:41:53.000 And it is a place that the phone sits.
01:41:56.000 And this is NFC enabled.
01:41:57.000 Your phone sits on it.
01:41:58.000 So your phone mounts inside of here.
01:42:00.000 And the NFC on the back of the phone will launch an application.
01:42:04.000 And that application...
01:42:07.000 On the screen, then it's going to display, through the lenses, an interactivity similar to Oculus Rift, but right here, with a piece of cardboard for $5.
01:42:17.000 See, that's what happens, man.
01:42:19.000 Someone gets cocky and they spend billions of dollars developing Oculus Rift, and someone comes along and says, not only fuck you, but fuck you with cardboard.
01:42:28.000 Google did say, fuck you with cardboard, but the real reason for that is because VR... It's going to be tough to sell in the long run.
01:42:38.000 It's too expensive.
01:42:39.000 It's too elaborate.
01:42:41.000 And so developers won't get on board.
01:42:42.000 So this is a development material, a development kit, so that the imaginations of developers everywhere, they can check out what their app might be like if they did a virtual reality version of it.
01:42:54.000 So for folks who are listening to this, which is most people, most people download this and listen to it.
01:42:58.000 Right.
01:42:58.000 What we're looking at is like, say if you ever order a book on Amazon.com and it comes in a little box, it's very similar to that.
01:43:05.000 Or maybe back when you used to buy CDs, you'd buy a CD on Amazon that would get delivered to you.
01:43:10.000 Maybe you can still do that.
01:43:12.000 They would look like that.
01:43:13.000 It's a small, maybe like 10x8, right?
01:43:16.000 10x8 probably?
01:43:17.000 Yeah, something like that.
01:43:18.000 Just looks like a piece of cardboard.
01:43:19.000 Have you done this yet?
01:43:21.000 Nope.
01:43:21.000 Can we do it now?
01:43:22.000 Nope.
01:43:23.000 I don't know how smooth it's going to be.
01:43:24.000 We'll just know.
01:43:25.000 We'll talk about other shit while you do it, but let's just check it out.
01:43:27.000 Let's see how long it takes.
01:43:29.000 Let's do it.
01:43:29.000 Here we go.
01:43:30.000 Because I am completely fascinated, and I'm sure we can think of things to talk about while it's happening.
01:43:34.000 Hashtag cardboard.
01:43:36.000 It's g.co slash cardboard, I believe is the site, if you want to know more about it.
01:43:41.000 So Lewis is opening this stuff.
01:43:43.000 And there's a bunch of things in there for folks who are listening.
01:43:48.000 This magnet, as well, controls your interactivity with the device.
01:43:52.000 So you click by touching this magnet.
01:43:55.000 Whoa.
01:43:57.000 Okay, so what he's got here is he's unfolded the Amazon box.
01:44:01.000 It looks like an Amazon box.
01:44:02.000 I need scissors, guys.
01:44:03.000 Oh, do we have scissors, Jamie?
01:44:04.000 Oh, no, I don't.
01:44:05.000 This is perforated.
01:44:06.000 Of course it is.
01:44:07.000 It does show scissors, but I don't think I need to.
01:44:09.000 Yeah, let's get the scissors.
01:44:10.000 Let's not fuck this up.
01:44:11.000 This is the first time.
01:44:12.000 I'm sure we have scissors here.
01:44:14.000 That's how we cut our butter.
01:44:15.000 So this is...
01:44:17.000 Cut our butter.
01:44:19.000 Oh, perfect.
01:44:21.000 So he's taking this apart right now.
01:44:24.000 This is exclusive, by the way.
01:44:26.000 Is it?
01:44:26.000 No, I don't think so.
01:44:27.000 No?
01:44:27.000 Okay.
01:44:27.000 Let's pretend it is.
01:44:28.000 Some other developers probably did it.
01:44:31.000 Don't you know how this works?
01:44:32.000 It's mass media exclusive right now.
01:44:35.000 So he's cutting this box open, and inside the box, or inside this folded up piece of cardboard, there's lenses, too, that look like those little...
01:44:48.000 Instamatic things.
01:44:49.000 What are those things called?
01:44:50.000 You press that button and those...
01:44:52.000 No, you know, it's sort of like a Polaroid, but you remember those old-school things where you'd press it and there would be a picture of a dinosaur and you'd look at it.
01:44:59.000 Viewmaster.
01:45:00.000 Viewmaster, yeah.
01:45:01.000 Very much like Viewmaster lenses, but I'm assuming they're a high-quality lens that's just embedded in this plastic because they look pretty slick.
01:45:12.000 Does it look good?
01:45:14.000 I'm not supposed to be looking that distance.
01:45:16.000 Oh, yeah.
01:45:16.000 Well, put this all together.
01:45:17.000 It's not a play game.
01:45:18.000 He's going through the whole user experience.
01:45:20.000 No, no, no.
01:45:21.000 I'm not.
01:45:22.000 I'm a little bit perplexed right now.
01:45:24.000 To insert, I think you should have to build this.
01:45:27.000 There you go.
01:45:28.000 Joe Rogan builds Google Cardboard.
01:45:30.000 That's a good idea.
01:45:31.000 Is there any directions?
01:45:32.000 The directions are only what's on there.
01:45:34.000 And a finished product picture.
01:45:35.000 To assemble, insert the numbered tabs.
01:45:39.000 Into the corresponding slots.
01:45:41.000 Okay.
01:45:42.000 4, 4, 3, 6, 2. So everything's numbered.
01:45:47.000 That's interesting how they did it.
01:45:49.000 Oh, you know what?
01:45:49.000 In the meantime, I'm going to hop on the Wi-Fi with this device so it's ready to go.
01:45:55.000 Yeah, this is not good for a podcast.
01:45:57.000 No, not at all.
01:45:58.000 I'm not going to talk.
01:45:59.000 I told you.
01:46:00.000 We'll try it out after.
01:46:01.000 Yeah, we'll try it out after.
01:46:03.000 Maybe we'll post a quick video from here.
01:46:05.000 Yeah, we could do that.
01:46:06.000 We could do a quick video experimentation.
01:46:08.000 But the role here is not only to say fuck you to Facebook for spending $2 billion, but to essentially say that VR is not going to get anywhere in its current state.
01:46:17.000 And to give a sort of way to prototype applications without necessarily investing in a VR headset That's the objective of this program.
01:46:26.000 However, I mean, the games on the iPhone didn't kill PlayStation 1 or 4 or whatever the fuck.
01:46:32.000 They didn't kill it, but the rumor is these are the last of the consoles.
01:46:35.000 Really?
01:46:36.000 Yep.
01:46:36.000 For example, the 360 and the PlayStation 3 lasted for a decade.
01:46:42.000 Yeah, but the experience of like, I just got an Xbox One recently.
01:46:45.000 You playing that UFC game?
01:46:47.000 No, I haven't played it yet.
01:46:48.000 I think you and I should do one versus one.
01:46:52.000 It would get a shit ton of views.
01:46:53.000 Yeah, that would be fun.
01:46:54.000 I would definitely do that.
01:46:55.000 I narrated it though.
01:46:56.000 It would be weird playing with my own voice.
01:46:58.000 Oh, right.
01:46:59.000 That's true.
01:47:00.000 You did narrate it.
01:47:01.000 Yeah.
01:47:02.000 I forgot about that.
01:47:03.000 That would be extra cool.
01:47:05.000 That shit took forever.
01:47:06.000 I had to narrate all the specific movements, specific combinations, specific ways guys got knocked down.
01:47:12.000 Dude, it came out well, though.
01:47:12.000 Oh, they know what they're doing, man.
01:47:14.000 Those guys are bad motherfuckers.
01:47:15.000 In the old days, you boot up a basketball game or something, and the cadence is off.
01:47:19.000 You can tell where the different phrases are inserted.
01:47:22.000 Yeah.
01:47:23.000 Yours is smooth, man.
01:47:24.000 Yeah, they're bad motherfuckers.
01:47:26.000 They know what they're doing.
01:47:26.000 So did you go up to Vancouver for that?
01:47:28.000 No, no.
01:47:29.000 We did it all in Calabasas, actually.
01:47:30.000 Oh, really?
01:47:31.000 Okay.
01:47:31.000 I know they have a big studio in Vancouver.
01:47:33.000 Yeah, they have studios.
01:47:34.000 They rent studio space here, too.
01:47:36.000 Oh, okay.
01:47:37.000 Warning, the following glitches are very rarely occur in the game.
01:47:40.000 It actually kicks all sorts of ass.
01:47:42.000 Also, this isn't actually Rogan and Goldberg.
01:47:44.000 Silly.
01:47:44.000 Oh, this is Tommy Two-Tone.
01:47:45.000 Or Tommy Toe Holder.
01:47:46.000 He does a good Joe Rogan voice.
01:47:48.000 Let me hear it.
01:47:48.000 Put the volume on.
01:47:49.000 Is this an impersonation?
01:47:50.000 Yeah.
01:47:51.000 It's good.
01:47:51.000 He's using glitches from the game.
01:47:53.000 It's pretty good.
01:48:05.000 Goldie and Joe commentate UFC glitches.
01:48:11.000 Mike, he's pretending to be a turtle that can't flip over.
01:48:13.000 He's trying to confuse Frank Mir.
01:48:16.000 Oh, that was you?
01:48:17.000 No.
01:48:18.000 It's an impression of me.
01:48:19.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:48:20.000 No, I know.
01:48:20.000 Take down using only his feet, and he got it.
01:48:24.000 There's some great glitches.
01:48:25.000 Look at this one.
01:48:27.000 The mummy guard.
01:48:28.000 The mummy guard.
01:48:31.000 You know, EA's not happy about this right now.
01:48:34.000 Oh, you know what?
01:48:35.000 I think they might have to be like this glitch game.
01:48:37.000 No, dude.
01:48:37.000 No, dude.
01:48:38.000 This guy's going to get fucked up for this.
01:48:39.000 Oh, my God.
01:48:40.000 Look how bad the glitch is.
01:48:42.000 Joe, one of the benefits of completely freezing your body during a fight with yourself.
01:48:48.000 While one of the advantages is that your opponent is completely confused.
01:48:52.000 He's unsure if you're a real person anymore.
01:48:54.000 Look how good that Cormier body moves.
01:48:59.000 And it is great for takedowns.
01:49:01.000 As you can see, Cormier has landed two now.
01:49:03.000 And the Iceman is back on his feet.
01:49:06.000 This crowd is going crazy, Joe.
01:49:08.000 Ow!
01:49:08.000 Referee Eve Levine with the psychic knockout.
01:49:14.000 Oh, they got connected with each other.
01:49:19.000 This is funny.
01:49:26.000 What?
01:49:29.000 The guy just flew through the air.
01:49:32.000 What are they doing to make a guy do that?
01:49:33.000 I want to know what they do.
01:49:35.000 I mean, it's a glitch, obviously, but what is the combination that makes the character behave like this?
01:49:43.000 Gus Simpson, for folks just listening to this, he's flying through the air, like spinning around and flipping, and then landing on his head and flipping around.
01:49:50.000 Carmouche with a nice 70-foot sliding takedown.
01:49:53.000 Oh, she's out, Joe.
01:49:54.000 She's out, and Liz Carmouche doesn't realize it.
01:49:56.000 Carmouche doesn't know that Ronda Rousey's out, so she's punching at the air on the ground.
01:50:02.000 Ronda taking a moment to catch her breath.
01:50:02.000 Eve Levine looking intensely at the action.
01:50:05.000 Carmouche is going to tire herself out, Mike.
01:50:07.000 Ronda needs to be careful not to hit her in the back of the head.
01:50:10.000 Right into the butt back mount!
01:50:12.000 And Gustafson has no answer for this mummy guard.
01:50:16.000 Yeah, people listening to this, you're not going to get anything out of this.
01:50:19.000 So just go to EA, UFC glitches, Tommy Toholtz, he's a really funny guy.
01:50:24.000 He does a lot of these videos.
01:50:25.000 He's got a whole series of them.
01:50:28.000 Really funny stuff.
01:50:30.000 Most of it on UFC and MMA. Watch how it ends.
01:50:33.000 I think it ends right here.
01:50:35.000 Oh, he had nothing happen somewhere.
01:50:36.000 That's hilarious.
01:50:38.000 It's funny.
01:50:39.000 So those glitches, not good.
01:50:41.000 No.
01:50:42.000 People are probably very upset.
01:50:43.000 They're upset that you just showed that, actually.
01:50:45.000 Sorry.
01:50:45.000 Tough shit.
01:50:46.000 It's not going to keep people from buying it.
01:50:48.000 I think it's just a patch of wave to fix that.
01:50:50.000 I think that's just funny enough to people go, whoa, there's a new UFC game out?
01:50:54.000 Right.
01:50:55.000 But the reason that I'm not fully on board with it is only because it kind of fucks up the relationship between independent content creators and game developers.
01:51:04.000 Because what they do is...
01:51:05.000 It's reality.
01:51:07.000 They're going to take a hard-line stance.
01:51:09.000 And then it happened with Nintendo.
01:51:11.000 They fucked up...
01:51:12.000 There were guys making a career posting videos about Nintendo shit.
01:51:15.000 Gone.
01:51:15.000 Complete career over.
01:51:17.000 Well, that's bad on Nintendo.
01:51:21.000 Yeah, and Nintendo got shit for it, but it doesn't change the reality.
01:51:25.000 You know why, Joe?
01:51:25.000 Because they couldn't attach all that money, all that advertising YouTube money to...
01:51:30.000 That's extra income now for Nintendo to be able to put Nintendo videos up now.
01:51:35.000 Nintendo owns the rights to it so they get money off all these.
01:51:38.000 There's a real discussion about whose intellectual property that is that we just watched.
01:51:43.000 Did we watch something from EA or did we watch something from Tommy Tohold?
01:51:48.000 And he doesn't have a product without them.
01:51:50.000 Right.
01:51:51.000 He doesn't have a product without them in this instance.
01:51:53.000 So they might put a block on that particular video.
01:51:56.000 I doubt they would.
01:51:57.000 This is why I doubt they would.
01:51:59.000 It's because the UFC sanctions his show.
01:52:00.000 They like his show.
01:52:01.000 Cool.
01:52:02.000 So I'm sure he has some sort of an arrangement with them.
01:52:04.000 Yeah.
01:52:05.000 So I don't think it's going to be an issue.
01:52:07.000 Oh, for the record, I think it's funny as hell, and I would totally watch it.
01:52:11.000 All I was trying to say is that I have a lot of friends in the gaming side of YouTube, and it's a fucking disaster.
01:52:17.000 Yeah.
01:52:17.000 Yeah, how does that work when guys are doing comments, when they're commentating on a match?
01:52:22.000 Who owns that?
01:52:24.000 Like Starcrash or Starcraft rather?
01:52:26.000 Those are big things, right?
01:52:28.000 True, yeah.
01:52:29.000 Podcasts and...
01:52:30.000 Most of the super competitive gaming, the developers are on board with it because that's a big part of their business model.
01:52:38.000 But generally speaking, they're also involved in the events themselves and Right.
01:53:03.000 And there is no clear guideline yet on what's considered fair use and what isn't, especially when you're commercializing the content.
01:53:09.000 Well, the guys who create the video games, though, would be foolish to try to stop any sort of an interactive community like that.
01:53:16.000 That's what we all think.
01:53:17.000 But, again, you've got some gray-haired dudes sitting in an office.
01:53:20.000 They actually got the job after Blockbuster went under.
01:53:24.000 These motherfuckers!
01:53:26.000 And, you know, that's the way they behave, and that's not going to change overnight.
01:53:32.000 Listen, this is how Blockbuster went down.
01:53:33.000 I warned them.
01:53:34.000 I was on the board.
01:53:36.000 I told them, you've got to be careful because these DVDs are on the way.
01:53:41.000 DVDs and Laserdiscs are going to ruin our market.
01:53:44.000 It's amazing.
01:53:45.000 Well, pretty much everything within the next couple years.
01:53:47.000 I mean, I have a CD slot, a USB CD slot that I attach to this.
01:53:52.000 Oh, externally.
01:53:53.000 I watch CDs or DVDs on.
01:53:54.000 Right.
01:53:54.000 Never used it once.
01:53:56.000 Yeah.
01:53:56.000 Never touched it.
01:53:57.000 No.
01:53:57.000 And it made me realize, like, remember when the floppy disk went away and everybody fucking freaked out?
01:54:00.000 Like, Apple said, no more floppies.
01:54:02.000 Right.
01:54:02.000 No!
01:54:03.000 You can't fucking...
01:54:04.000 Well, that's the weird thing about technology.
01:54:06.000 We were talking earlier...
01:54:09.000 About how these devices are becoming almost a status symbol.
01:54:14.000 Having old shit is people who are going to sneer at you.
01:54:17.000 You rock an old computer or an old disk, hand somebody a CD and see what they do.
01:54:21.000 They get upset.
01:54:22.000 Go over to some chick's house and she's got some old ass computer.
01:54:25.000 You're going to be like, this bitch is a brokester.
01:54:27.000 Crazy ass, old ass computer.
01:54:29.000 There's a weird...
01:54:30.000 There's a weird...
01:54:32.000 There's like a tech prejudice.
01:54:34.000 Why don't you have an R key?
01:54:35.000 You don't have an R key?
01:54:37.000 You just press that button, you know where the R key used to be?
01:54:41.000 Put a piece of tape over that thing.
01:54:42.000 Fold some tape up, draw the letter R on it, and stick it over that little button.
01:54:45.000 Do you save old tech?
01:54:48.000 Like, I just found my old dash the other day.
01:54:51.000 I wasn't one that had the first dash.
01:54:52.000 I have a dash.
01:54:53.000 That's not...
01:54:55.000 There's a certain age at which I think it becomes cool again, kind of like Cars.
01:54:58.000 Like I recently showed my four-year-old the original Sega Genesis and we were playing Streets of Rage.
01:55:04.000 And he fucking dominated.
01:55:07.000 At four, that's hilarious.
01:55:08.000 Because if you gave me that game at four, I'd be crying.
01:55:12.000 I like to sort of go back in those origin stories in my childhood and stuff like that.
01:55:17.000 I did an unboxing video of the original NES Nintendo 1985. I found one in mint condition in the box.
01:55:24.000 People in the comments were telling me, like, listen, this brought tears to my eyes.
01:55:28.000 Did you smell it first?
01:55:29.000 I swear to God!
01:55:29.000 But it's not because of the product, right?
01:55:31.000 It's because of the promise.
01:55:33.000 If you remember being a kid and that NES being under that Christmas tree, at that moment, even if your dad was a fuck-up, you know, your mom was a bitch, that console, for a moment, guaranteed a certain number of hours together because people used to game together.
01:55:51.000 Like, for me and my brother, that's what it was.
01:55:55.000 The thing is under the tree, you look at one another, you're like, I know what this means.
01:55:58.000 It's not about the console.
01:56:00.000 And this is a huge problem with gaming now, is that it's all online.
01:56:04.000 Yet the most beautiful shit happens in real life.
01:56:07.000 You want to fuck up the guy next to you, not some dude in...
01:56:10.000 Who knows where?
01:56:11.000 Right, that's why LAN parties are so fun.
01:56:12.000 Yeah, exactly.
01:56:13.000 You know, you high-five each other after you fucking shoot each other to death.
01:56:16.000 We used to do it in my parents' house, main floor, upstairs.
01:56:20.000 And then immediately after the multiplayer match would be over, the losing team would run up to where the winning team was and immediately start fighting, you know, whatever.
01:56:28.000 Goofing around, like get pissed, yell at one another, go back, do another round, etc.
01:56:32.000 Yeah, those are fun, man.
01:56:33.000 LAN parties are fun.
01:56:34.000 That's so true, too, about so many games taking place online now.
01:56:39.000 So much of the experience is people not interacting with other people online.
01:56:42.000 It's a very different experience than being in a room.
01:56:44.000 Like, if we set up computers on this beautiful, big-ass table, this would be a great place for a LAN party.
01:56:49.000 This would be a sick place.
01:56:50.000 This would be the coolest LAN party ever.
01:56:52.000 I'm down.
01:56:53.000 Definitely.
01:56:54.000 We should totally have a fucking Quake party here.
01:56:56.000 I'm down.
01:56:56.000 I haven't played Quake in forever.
01:56:58.000 I bet I suck at it.
01:56:59.000 You would be my ass.
01:57:00.000 I was never that good, so...
01:57:02.000 Well, I was never good, but I was good compared to regular people.
01:57:06.000 Listen to this elitist talk over there.
01:57:09.000 It's true.
01:57:10.000 Good compared to regular people.
01:57:11.000 Compared to regular people, I'll fuck you up.
01:57:13.000 But compared to those real Quake players, those guys always killed me.
01:57:17.000 Well, see, this is about the brands trying to own the entire experience.
01:57:23.000 They want to own...
01:57:24.000 Not just your money when you buy the game, but they want to own everything you do with that game after the fact.
01:57:30.000 Well, I like that you take this psychological approach, though, because I think it's very interesting.
01:57:34.000 Not just the psychological approach to the reason why people become fanboys about particular brands, but the interactive approach.
01:57:41.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:57:41.000 Of two people enjoying a video game together.
01:57:45.000 Definitely.
01:57:46.000 Like those fight games, those karate games, you know, like Mortal Kombat style.
01:57:51.000 Oh, definitely.
01:57:51.000 We do get out with each other.
01:57:52.000 That's half the fun.
01:57:54.000 Yep.
01:57:54.000 Is that you're doing it with another person.
01:57:55.000 We used to, you know, get home from school.
01:57:57.000 And, I mean, you knew who was good.
01:57:59.000 The guy who was good was the guy down the street.
01:58:01.000 Yep.
01:58:02.000 You know, it's like, dude beat the game.
01:58:03.000 Didn't die once.
01:58:05.000 You know?
01:58:05.000 Yep.
01:58:06.000 There were legends.
01:58:06.000 Legends were made, you know?
01:58:08.000 Now it's an anonymous face somewhere else and everyone's bitching and complaining online.
01:58:12.000 You get on Xbox Live.
01:58:14.000 It's a disaster.
01:58:15.000 The thing about those games, though, is that they can make the day vanish.
01:58:20.000 Oh, definitely.
01:58:20.000 They are magic.
01:58:21.000 You throw those games on your day and, oh, look, you're starving to death and it's three in the morning.
01:58:27.000 I'm like, what the fuck happened?
01:58:29.000 That happened.
01:58:29.000 Fuck yeah, dude.
01:58:30.000 What was it?
01:58:30.000 World of Warcraft?
01:58:31.000 Yeah.
01:58:32.000 That baby died?
01:58:33.000 More than one.
01:58:34.000 Yeah.
01:58:34.000 More than one.
01:58:35.000 There was a few of them.
01:58:36.000 Yeah, Warcraft.
01:58:37.000 See, those games scare the shit out of me.
01:58:38.000 I won't get invested for that reason.
01:58:40.000 Dude.
01:58:41.000 I think what's going to happen, though, especially with all the Apple TVs and Google TVs and stuff, that we're going to...
01:58:47.000 They're going to start taking over the game market to a point where all our phones are going to be controllers.
01:58:51.000 If you have an Apple TV, we can download Angry Birds and we all come over to my house and we all pull out our phones.
01:58:58.000 Put up your controller app and we all are playing.
01:59:00.000 We have Apple TV. You can already send images and video to the screen.
01:59:05.000 You can watch it up on a big screen.
01:59:07.000 Watch a video.
01:59:08.000 Ultimately, unless you're connected...
01:59:11.000 Unless you're tapped in, Oculus Rift style, plugged in, they can't monetize what's going on here, the enjoyment we're having.
01:59:19.000 They don't want that.
01:59:20.000 It doesn't do fuck all for them.
01:59:22.000 Like the Nintendo Wii, when it first launched, it was all about getting together with friends, right?
01:59:27.000 It didn't even have online gaming, I believe.
01:59:28.000 And you play Wii Sports and people goofing around in front of the fucking TV and dancing and doing whatever it was.
01:59:34.000 It got to a point.
01:59:35.000 And now Nintendo has all kinds of problems.
01:59:37.000 Because at first it was immediately appealing and then it eventually fizzled out.
01:59:41.000 It didn't have that same kind of...
01:59:43.000 Nobody gives a fuck about Wii.
01:59:44.000 I never hear Wii.
01:59:45.000 Exactly!
01:59:46.000 Put it in your bedroom.
01:59:47.000 It changes everything.
01:59:48.000 What happened?
01:59:49.000 Oh, you're back to playing it?
01:59:50.000 I took my Wii U. Never used it.
01:59:52.000 I got the new Wii U. It has a nice big controller.
01:59:55.000 It has a tablet and stuff.
01:59:56.000 Never touched it.
01:59:57.000 Decided, fuck it, I'm going to put it in my bedroom TV, use it for Netflix.
02:00:00.000 Now, I can't get enough of it, because it's got a huge screen, so you're scrolling through Netflix, surfing the net.
02:00:06.000 And then you watch it on the screen.
02:00:07.000 Yeah, and you watch it on the screen.
02:00:07.000 It's the perfect bedroom video game.
02:00:09.000 So better as a controller than as a video game console.
02:00:13.000 Yeah, it kind of is, but it's just great because your controller is like...
02:00:18.000 It's like having an iPad and you're searching for videos on Netflix or stuff like that.
02:00:23.000 Which is way better than using your remote control to find the R, duck, duck, duck, duck, O, duck, duck, duck, duck, duck, S. When you're trying to find the name of a movie, that is annoying as fuck.
02:00:33.000 You can't just go like that.
02:00:35.000 And put Apocalypse Now, you know?
02:00:37.000 What do you think about the Microsoft version of that?
02:00:39.000 The Xbox, the Kinect, is that what it's called?
02:00:42.000 Yeah.
02:00:42.000 What is it called?
02:00:43.000 Kinect, yeah.
02:00:44.000 And it's like a thing?
02:00:45.000 Yep, it's a camera.
02:00:46.000 It sees your body move?
02:00:47.000 Yeah.
02:00:48.000 How is that?
02:00:48.000 Not ready for prime time?
02:00:49.000 Oh, it works.
02:00:50.000 You don't look excited.
02:00:51.000 It's great.
02:00:52.000 There was a huge controversy with it over them having it be always on.
02:00:58.000 Right, so they could watch you fuck on the couch.
02:01:01.000 We seem to keep coming back to that podcast.
02:01:05.000 Welcome to the podcast.
02:01:08.000 We're immature.
02:01:10.000 Perfect spot.
02:01:12.000 So there was a big controversy at first that nobody wanted it and they were including it anyways.
02:01:17.000 Then it was going to be always on and then it was going to be expensive and all that shit.
02:01:21.000 The reason I think people don't want it is because an Xbox buyer, you've got to look at the core demographic of who's going to get an Xbox the minute it comes out.
02:01:29.000 There's a certain sex and a certain age group, etc.
02:01:32.000 that that stuff is popular with and they want to run around shooting people online, essentially, the vast majority, or play sports games or whatever it is.
02:01:40.000 And there's just only so much you can do right now in terms of a motion game.
02:01:44.000 Do I want to do Dance Dance Revolution?
02:01:46.000 Yes.
02:01:47.000 Why don't people learn martial arts on those things?
02:01:51.000 Striking martial arts?
02:01:53.000 That's the Joe Rogan game.
02:01:54.000 The fitness apps, Joe, are some of the best things about the Kinect because it reads your body.
02:01:59.000 And so if you're doing some kind of hard workout that they have available using Xbox Fitness...
02:02:05.000 It will tell you if you're not bending your arms right.
02:02:07.000 And I'll be like, bend your arms!
02:02:08.000 Bend your arms!
02:02:09.000 And then it tracks how much calories...
02:02:11.000 Someone should do that with martial arts techniques.
02:02:13.000 Yeah, they do.
02:02:15.000 No, no, no.
02:02:16.000 Not somebody with his credibility.
02:02:19.000 That would be something that would be really beneficial to someone learning martial arts techniques.
02:02:24.000 Because most of the striking techniques, whether it's striking with your hands or with your feet, knees, and elbows, you're learning them in the air before you ever strike things.
02:02:34.000 Right.
02:02:35.000 So as like a beginner sort of?
02:02:37.000 Not even just as a beginner.
02:02:38.000 Like one of the most important things when I teach people kicks, specific kicks, is practicing them in the air.
02:02:45.000 Because if you're constantly relying on hitting something to maintain your balance and to maintain the distribution of your weight, you'll bounce off of things and you'll rely on those things and you don't penetrate them enough.
02:02:58.000 Right.
02:02:58.000 And one of the keys to learning how to kick correctly is actually learning how to kick in the air.
02:03:02.000 It's also controlling the dexterity of your legs because you're not relying on anything to stop the momentum of your shot.
02:03:09.000 You have to tighten up your entire body on the extension of the kick or the punch.
02:03:14.000 And so in doing so, you actually strengthen the tendons, and if you're doing it correctly, you develop more dexterity.
02:03:21.000 More dexterity when you're throwing kicks.
02:03:23.000 There was always a thing in demonstrations.
02:03:26.000 My instructor when I was a kid, Jae Hun Kim, would do these really impressive demonstrations where they would throw kicks at your face.
02:03:35.000 You would stand there, and they would stop them, like right here.
02:03:38.000 We would all do that.
02:03:40.000 Right, right, right.
02:03:41.000 Michael O'Malley, who's another one of my instructors, who's this incredible Taekwondo black belt, multiple-time national champion, and he's a big, tall guy, and he would throw these insanely impressive kicks like half an inch from your face.
02:03:54.000 Wow.
02:03:54.000 Just wheel kicks where the toe just...
02:03:56.000 He knew, because he threw so many kicks in the air, he knew where objects were.
02:04:02.000 He knew how to stop, so he developed this dexterity.
02:04:04.000 So you could use that, the teaching things correctly.
02:04:07.000 Yeah.
02:04:07.000 All you would essentially need is an open area where you could extend your legs.
02:04:12.000 That's what I was just about to say.
02:04:13.000 How many people are going to put their foot through their TV? It's going to happen.
02:04:18.000 There's actually two games that I know of.
02:04:19.000 One's called UFC Trainer, which is a game that just does that.
02:04:24.000 It teaches you different UFC moves.
02:04:25.000 But there's a new Ronda Rousey one also.
02:04:29.000 It just does that.
02:04:31.000 It pretty much does that.
02:04:31.000 It uses your Kinect.
02:04:33.000 And it teaches you different moves.
02:04:35.000 Kick to the balls?
02:04:36.000 Really?
02:04:37.000 Ready, kick the balls.
02:04:39.000 Look at this.
02:04:39.000 Ready, go.
02:04:40.000 And kick the balls.
02:04:41.000 This is ridiculous.
02:04:43.000 Get the fuck out of here.
02:04:44.000 Can you do a cunt punt?
02:04:46.000 Can you do a...
02:04:48.000 Okay, I just want to identify something.
02:04:51.000 As you had that video up, did anybody notice the physique of the two guys playing?
02:04:55.000 The average video game player.
02:04:57.000 There's your problem.
02:04:58.000 Have you ever seen the Magic the Gathering photo where the dude went to a Magic the Gathering place and took pictures of everybody's ass cracks?
02:05:05.000 Him giving a thumbs up in front of all these different ass cracks.
02:05:09.000 And, you know...
02:05:11.000 That's what I'm getting at, though, with the Kinect.
02:05:13.000 It's like, for guys that are really into that thing, you don't have a problem getting out of the house anyway.
02:05:18.000 You know what I mean?
02:05:19.000 Right.
02:05:20.000 Elitists.
02:05:21.000 Yeah.
02:05:22.000 Those goddamn people who move their bodies.
02:05:24.000 That's right.
02:05:24.000 That's right.
02:05:25.000 Exactly.
02:05:26.000 So, I don't know.
02:05:27.000 I don't know if motion gaming will ever be...
02:05:30.000 Will ever be a big thing?
02:05:31.000 Or if it is a big thing, it's going to be so far down the road that it's just so immersive.
02:05:36.000 It's so amazing.
02:05:37.000 I like it more for Skype.
02:05:38.000 I like it more for different applications.
02:05:41.000 Connect.
02:05:43.000 It's so cool being able to Skype.
02:05:44.000 I could call you on my Xbox.
02:05:47.000 Call Joe Rogan.
02:05:50.000 Yeah, that's cool.
02:05:51.000 That's pretty dope.
02:05:52.000 That's some goddamn science fiction shit right there.
02:05:54.000 That is pretty dope.
02:05:55.000 Do you ever do that on the road?
02:05:56.000 Do you ever bring a laptop on the road and HDMI it to the TV and Skype through the TV? Yeah, I... No.
02:06:05.000 I was at the airport the other day and some kid was bringing his console.
02:06:08.000 Full console, the whole deal.
02:06:10.000 Controllers.
02:06:11.000 Games.
02:06:12.000 People do that.
02:06:13.000 To be honest, I'm not that addicted.
02:06:16.000 I feel like this whole process of doing what I do has actually desensitized me in a way to a lot of this stuff.
02:06:22.000 I think I was in some ways more of a fanatic before than now.
02:06:26.000 Does that make any sense?
02:06:27.000 Hmm, how come?
02:06:29.000 Are you jaded?
02:06:30.000 Maybe.
02:06:31.000 But you don't seem like it.
02:06:33.000 No, I'm not.
02:06:33.000 Maybe you're just normalized.
02:06:36.000 What it is, is it's like, so much, for a lot of people, like I said, these devices are really important to them.
02:06:43.000 They get some new thing that's like a super highlight, etc.
02:06:46.000 Of course, you're going to be psychologically impacted when companies are just sending you fucking everything.
02:06:52.000 How can it not?
02:06:53.000 It affects the process.
02:06:54.000 So you get everything for free?
02:06:55.000 Everything.
02:06:55.000 Everything.
02:06:56.000 Do you get to keep them?
02:06:57.000 No, not everything.
02:06:58.000 I shouldn't say everything.
02:06:59.000 Do you get to keep them?
02:07:00.000 This I don't.
02:07:01.000 You have to pay for your laptop.
02:07:03.000 Apple won't give you shit.
02:07:05.000 Really?
02:07:06.000 Ever.
02:07:06.000 Well, why don't you use something that's...
02:07:08.000 If you say there's all these Windows computers that are great, it's just the user experience.
02:07:12.000 It's not as good?
02:07:13.000 Windows?
02:07:14.000 I don't...
02:07:17.000 He loves Windows, Joe.
02:07:18.000 No, I'm not paid by it.
02:07:22.000 Read between the lines.
02:07:24.000 You can think for yourselves, ladies and gentlemen.
02:07:26.000 You hear it as clearly as I do.
02:07:27.000 Let me put it this way.
02:07:29.000 Pretty much, the vast majority of people in my business on YouTube, I know them all personally, use Apple computers.
02:07:36.000 Yeah, it's kind of universal amongst anybody who has enough money to buy an Apple computer.
02:07:41.000 The PC people are going to fucking not like you saying that.
02:07:44.000 Listen, I'm sorry folks.
02:07:45.000 I tried Windows 8. It's dog shit.
02:07:47.000 Yeah.
02:07:48.000 Tried Windows 7. Diggity, diggity, dog shit.
02:07:50.000 There's a reason why Apple is the company they are and Microsoft is the company they are.
02:07:54.000 That's the way I like to say it.
02:07:55.000 We used Alienware for the podcast for a while, which makes fucking awesome computers.
02:08:00.000 We used it for the podcast for a while because they were sponsoring us.
02:08:03.000 So they gave us some free computers, and I like that they sponsor fighters, too.
02:08:07.000 They do, right?
02:08:09.000 Quite a few.
02:08:10.000 A guy just fought.
02:08:11.000 Little guy.
02:08:12.000 Mighty Mouse?
02:08:13.000 Demetrius Johnson?
02:08:14.000 Oh, no, no, he's not.
02:08:14.000 Sorry.
02:08:15.000 He's got a big sponsor, though.
02:08:17.000 Oh, Xbox!
02:08:18.000 Yes, he does Xbox.
02:08:20.000 But a lot of guys have been sponsored.
02:08:22.000 The computers are incredible.
02:08:25.000 As far as high-end laptops for gaming, they're fucking monstrous.
02:08:30.000 Definitely.
02:08:30.000 But I didn't like the interface.
02:08:32.000 The Windows notifications kept popping up.
02:08:34.000 All these different...
02:08:35.000 The notifications drive me fucking crazy.
02:08:37.000 That shit was ridiculous.
02:08:39.000 This is a clunky operating system.
02:08:42.000 You guys are clunkers.
02:08:43.000 It's true, man.
02:08:44.000 Bill Gates is too busy chasing pussy.
02:08:46.000 That's what he's doing.
02:08:47.000 He's out there doing coke.
02:08:48.000 Hey, you can't say that.
02:08:50.000 Flying...
02:08:50.000 Flying around in this private fucking spacecraft.
02:08:53.000 Allegedly.
02:08:54.000 Allegedly.
02:08:55.000 Tooling around the fucking harbor in his boat.
02:08:58.000 Microsoft does some good things.
02:09:00.000 Like, the Xbox is a success.
02:09:02.000 The Xbox is a success.
02:09:03.000 Why if Microsoft is so goddamn popular?
02:09:06.000 Why if Microsoft is so immersive?
02:09:08.000 Microsoft's problem is that they're so damn popular.
02:09:11.000 That's it?
02:09:11.000 They had to fucking hold on to vintage...
02:09:15.000 Retro stuff for so long.
02:09:17.000 Because otherwise they would give up a percentage of the marketplace.
02:09:19.000 God forbid somebody can't type a Word document or open their Excel spreadsheet from 1997. That's really what held them back?
02:09:26.000 I think it's a part of it.
02:09:27.000 I mean...
02:09:28.000 How did they hold them back in the user interface though?
02:09:31.000 Because when they put out Windows 7, they put this new UI, which they didn't really want to give a name, but it was essentially a touch-based UI. It was a huge overhaul,
02:09:47.000 where now they wanted one platform to work on tablets, laptops, desktops, etc.
02:09:53.000 People freaked out.
02:09:54.000 People were like, how am I going to do this?
02:09:56.000 A, B, C, D. Because of the market penetration of the old OS, Windows 7 and XP before that, so on and so forth, the voice of the people, their old customers, was louder than that of the new customers they didn't have yet.
02:10:10.000 Much like the automakers, the domestic automakers, I think had the same problem.
02:10:16.000 Your user base gets so big that Your user base gets so big that you're more worried about pissing them off than you are about attracting new people.
02:10:26.000 Wow.
02:10:27.000 That's weird.
02:10:28.000 It is weird.
02:10:29.000 So they have to take those things into consideration when they innovate.
02:10:33.000 They have to pull back all the time.
02:10:34.000 Oh, man.
02:10:35.000 But if you think about it, no one ever bought a MacBook because they were worried about Microsoft Word.
02:10:39.000 That's true.
02:10:40.000 That's the key, is you bought a MacBook because it was a tool, just a platform.
02:10:44.000 Essentially, when you deal with things like documents, spreadsheets,.doc, almost anything can open those now.
02:10:52.000 It's not just Microsoft Word.
02:10:53.000 Exactly, and that's the problem.
02:10:55.000 The exclusivity that they had for so long is not really that important anymore.
02:11:00.000 It doesn't make any sense.
02:11:01.000 Once upon a time, it was.
02:11:02.000 But now, Google has everything.
02:11:04.000 You do everything in the cloud.
02:11:04.000 Google Docs does everything.
02:11:05.000 I haven't touched a Microsoft product in a very long time in terms of software.
02:11:08.000 Which brings me to those Google laptops.
02:11:11.000 How do you feel about those Chromebooks?
02:11:12.000 I love them.
02:11:13.000 Do you like them?
02:11:13.000 I love them.
02:11:14.000 Do you?
02:11:14.000 I think they're great.
02:11:15.000 Do you fuck with them?
02:11:16.000 I think it's the perfect finally price point to be able to give somebody like your mom a laptop and have her do exactly what she wants to do with no extra bullshit.
02:11:28.000 My mom probably wants to just surf the net.
02:11:30.000 Maybe look at some photos, watch some Netflix, and that's all she's really probably going to do to the max.
02:11:36.000 She's not going to be editing videos, and if she does, I'm sure there's an app that she can actually do it at if she wanted to.
02:11:42.000 The problem is a lot of people were saying with Chromebooks is, why aren't Chromebooks just Android books?
02:11:46.000 Yeah.
02:11:47.000 Why is it?
02:11:47.000 There's an enormous ecosystem of apps available on Android.
02:11:50.000 Is it because of the fact that Chrome is their browser?
02:11:53.000 Chrome is their browser.
02:11:54.000 Make their browser more popular?
02:11:56.000 Global leader.
02:11:57.000 Is it?
02:11:57.000 Yep.
02:11:58.000 Wow.
02:11:58.000 By far, too.
02:11:59.000 Isn't that crazy?
02:12:00.000 They beat out Microsoft Internet Explorer?
02:12:02.000 Ask people.
02:12:03.000 Ask the average person how they feel about Google in general.
02:12:07.000 Everyone always thinks that they're a positive brand.
02:12:11.000 Ask them how they feel about Microsoft.
02:12:13.000 It's a completely different...
02:12:15.000 Maybe there's some public relations issues.
02:12:19.000 I don't know exactly what got fucked up there, but Google appears like this company that's giving us all this great shit and not asking for anything.
02:12:26.000 Because what they're asking for is fucking way deeper than that.
02:12:31.000 Yeah, they're asking for a connection with you.
02:12:33.000 They're asking for you.
02:12:35.000 Yeah, they're immersing themselves in your world.
02:12:37.000 And to control your house.
02:12:38.000 They want more than your wallet.
02:12:41.000 Microsoft and Apple and everybody else.
02:12:43.000 Remember that song, We Want Your Soul?
02:12:45.000 We want your soul.
02:12:47.000 Deadmau5.
02:12:47.000 Your house.
02:12:48.000 Is it?
02:12:48.000 Oh, wait.
02:12:49.000 No.
02:12:49.000 No.
02:12:50.000 No.
02:12:51.000 Somebody else.
02:12:52.000 Anyway, cool song.
02:12:53.000 But essentially about that.
02:12:54.000 This immersive connection.
02:12:57.000 Do you think that Microsoft fucked up because they were a part of...
02:13:00.000 They were essentially one of the very first portals into this new world, using Windows and this world of technology.
02:13:09.000 But now, this new world has kind of emerged from the people who grew up in the internet.
02:13:14.000 And they grew up with the accountability of forums, of social media, of internet.
02:13:21.000 Take it as a given.
02:13:22.000 And that this accountability has sort of shaped the way they do business.
02:13:27.000 Which is what I've been saying for a long time is what gives me hope.
02:13:31.000 Because I think the smartest, most innovative, most progressive people in terms of technology and innovation also are very ethical.
02:13:39.000 It seems to be a part of the whole package.
02:13:42.000 You don't hear about evil, big, new tech companies.
02:13:45.000 You hear about companies like Google, companies that are trying to do things correctly.
02:13:50.000 There were a couple of protests at Google I.O. Of course.
02:13:55.000 Yeah, they recently acquired Boston Dynamics.
02:13:59.000 Yeah, they make robots.
02:14:00.000 They make pretty fucking gnarly robots.
02:14:02.000 Scary robots, bro.
02:14:04.000 People are scared.
02:14:05.000 Some of their technology goes into some of those drones doing that activity out there.
02:14:09.000 Well, how about artificial intelligence as well?
02:14:12.000 I mean, they also have Kurzweil on board who wants to make people turn into fucking computers.
02:14:18.000 They're the overlords, bro.
02:14:20.000 Honestly, I feel like super technologically advanced people are insanely secular.
02:14:26.000 I don't know where their moral compass is.
02:14:29.000 I think they get off on control.
02:14:32.000 Really?
02:14:33.000 Yeah.
02:14:33.000 In what way?
02:14:34.000 Well, look at Google's ecosystem, for example, or even Apple's.
02:14:39.000 Okay.
02:14:40.000 Everywhere you go, the objective of one product is to get you to buy the next one.
02:14:44.000 Is it, though?
02:14:45.000 Isn't the objective of their products?
02:14:46.000 Let's talk about Google Maps.
02:14:48.000 Google is an advertising company.
02:14:50.000 Right.
02:14:51.000 And it's funny that I'm talking about them, because in a sense, they employ the both of us, and we both post shit on YouTube.
02:14:57.000 Yeah, I'm a big fan.
02:14:58.000 That's money, and I love...
02:15:00.000 I have a unique insight as well because a good friend works there.
02:15:03.000 Yeah.
02:15:03.000 At a very high level.
02:15:04.000 And my friends work there too.
02:15:06.000 I'm not trying to say anything negative about it.
02:15:09.000 No, I know you're not.
02:15:10.000 Yeah, but the model is such that for us to get the most out of technology, technology has to get the most out of us.
02:15:17.000 Yeah, but isn't that just a side effect of the immersion?
02:15:19.000 Sure.
02:15:20.000 I mean, I don't think it's necessarily...
02:15:21.000 That's what I said.
02:15:21.000 It's not negative or positive.
02:15:23.000 It just is.
02:15:24.000 Yeah.
02:15:24.000 But that's like what we're talking about today about...
02:15:27.000 Your phone preemptively knowing how far away you are from work because you're going to work.
02:15:32.000 That's right.
02:15:34.000 We always look at the negatives, but the positives of that are pretty strong.
02:15:38.000 But let's go back to the Porsche or let's go back to the muscle car.
02:15:40.000 That there will always be individuals that liked it better the way it was before.
02:15:44.000 Yes.
02:15:45.000 But the good thing is you can have both.
02:15:47.000 But you can't with phones.
02:15:49.000 You can't.
02:15:49.000 Some dudes do.
02:15:50.000 They go back to the flip phones.
02:15:51.000 Do they?
02:15:52.000 We sell them on Ting.
02:15:53.000 Do they really?
02:15:54.000 Yeah.
02:15:54.000 They sell the beautiful fucking shitty button phones.
02:15:58.000 My guess would be that that's not an expanding market.
02:16:01.000 Dana White, he fucking uses one of those all the time.
02:16:03.000 That's how he does all his texting.
02:16:05.000 Does he appreciate you telling that to everybody?
02:16:06.000 Yeah, he loves it.
02:16:07.000 Really?
02:16:08.000 He jokes about it.
02:16:08.000 I have pictures of him holding up his phone.
02:16:11.000 He can do it at dinner.
02:16:14.000 He can be at dinner, and he's so good with his thumb that he can be underneath the table, and he can be texting you.
02:16:21.000 That's a very bizarre use case scenario.
02:16:23.000 I like it.
02:16:23.000 I really like it.
02:16:24.000 He's a real wizard with it.
02:16:26.000 So I've had him show me.
02:16:27.000 He's done it before.
02:16:28.000 That's cool.
02:16:29.000 He'll go, okay.
02:16:31.000 He'll look at his phone real quick, and then he puts it on, because he gets it onto my number, and he puts it under the table, and then all of a sudden my thing, dude, I'm texting you right now.
02:16:39.000 I'm like, shut the fuck up.
02:16:40.000 This is crazy.
02:16:41.000 We're good to go.
02:16:47.000 We're good to go.
02:17:00.000 And one of the things that they were talking about was shorthand.
02:17:04.000 Is that, like, people forget that short...
02:17:07.000 Like, actually writing things?
02:17:08.000 Yes.
02:17:08.000 Yes.
02:17:09.000 Greg's shorthand, I think it's called.
02:17:10.000 I forget.
02:17:11.000 It's, like, really old technology.
02:17:13.000 Like, it's from the 1800s.
02:17:14.000 Oh, wow.
02:17:15.000 The implementation of it.
02:17:17.000 When they first started using it.
02:17:18.000 And, like, what things stand for what vowels and what things...
02:17:21.000 And you could write hundreds of words per minute in shorthand.
02:17:25.000 Faster than you could ever fucking type.
02:17:27.000 Wow.
02:17:27.000 Yeah.
02:17:28.000 But it never took off.
02:17:29.000 Well, it did.
02:17:30.000 It just took off for, you know, people who didn't have computers.
02:17:33.000 Oh, right, right.
02:17:33.000 And then once people developed typewriters and computers, like, there's a new pen that they have that I haven't...
02:17:39.000 I ordered it just to see, like, what the fuck the technology was like.
02:17:43.000 Oh, one of those scribe pens?
02:17:45.000 Yes.
02:17:45.000 This is what it does.
02:17:46.000 It doesn't just...
02:17:47.000 No, this is what it does.
02:17:49.000 As you're writing, it takes a photograph of your notes.
02:17:53.000 It also transcribes an audio.
02:17:56.000 There's an audio recording capability.
02:17:59.000 So say if you and I were talking and I was doing an interview with you and I was asking you about all these different things and I was writing down my notes, it would take photos of the notes and it would take photos of the notes...
02:18:08.000 And correspond those notes to the audio recording.
02:18:11.000 So if I said, ask him how big his dick is, and then I would click on that, and then it would go back to the conversation where you were talking about women always being in pain when you have sex.
02:18:22.000 Like, oh yeah, yeah, that's why.
02:18:24.000 So for like students, a student in a lecture or whatever, that would make a lot of sense.
02:18:29.000 Perfect example.
02:18:30.000 As long as the lecture was clear enough, you didn't take in too much extraneous noise.
02:18:34.000 Yeah, they were close to the actual professor or whatever.
02:18:36.000 But what a great idea.
02:18:38.000 I mean, I think I should pull up the name of it just in case.
02:18:42.000 I've heard of them before.
02:18:43.000 I've never tried one.
02:18:45.000 I'd like to.
02:18:45.000 I had the old one where it just had a little memory card and it just remembered what you wrote.
02:18:49.000 Right, yeah.
02:18:50.000 Does it translate the written word into a digital form?
02:18:55.000 That's a very good question.
02:18:57.000 OCD? I think it did.
02:18:59.000 I never really played with it too much, but I know a lot of things can do that now.
02:19:03.000 Most scanners can do it.
02:19:05.000 It's called a Livescribe Sky Wi-Fi pen.
02:19:10.000 It's really interesting, man.
02:19:11.000 I'm really curious to try this thing out.
02:19:14.000 I mean, I wish almost that I was a reporter.
02:19:16.000 Well, report on it when you get it, man.
02:19:17.000 Too much work.
02:19:19.000 But the idea behind it is quite fascinating.
02:19:22.000 And I love that I had read something about Shorthand.
02:19:26.000 And that's where it...
02:19:29.000 Yeah, these guys have been around for a bit.
02:19:32.000 But this is obviously a new product.
02:19:34.000 Yes.
02:19:35.000 Yeah.
02:19:36.000 Shorthand is fucking interesting, man.
02:19:39.000 It's interesting.
02:19:39.000 Yeah, it is Gregg Shorthand.
02:19:41.000 That's what it's called.
02:19:42.000 Named after the inventor who's named John Robert Gregg.
02:19:45.000 A system of pen stenography that gained popularity in the early 20th century.
02:19:51.000 But it was...
02:19:53.000 Created a long fucking time ago.
02:19:55.000 No kidding.
02:19:56.000 But I love the idea that this pen records an audio of us having a conversation and then I should use it for podcast notes.
02:20:05.000 I think I might actually use it because I have stacks of these things sometimes that I go over, like these notes that I make during shows.
02:20:14.000 Shit, I feel like I'm underperforming.
02:20:15.000 I think you took one note so far today.
02:20:18.000 Well, it's really usually things that I wanted to talk about that I forgot or that I knew I knew I was going to forget or didn't want to forget or an idea that I had while it was happening.
02:20:27.000 But I don't remember half of these fucking things.
02:20:30.000 Nigerian gay marriage.
02:20:31.000 Okay, what the fuck does that mean?
02:20:33.000 The world's end.
02:20:34.000 Herpes infected monkey in Florida.
02:20:37.000 Emotional needs dog.
02:20:39.000 Some juicy stuff there, man.
02:20:40.000 Yeti, Attenborough, Colorado floods.
02:20:42.000 Yeah, I mean...
02:20:43.000 I don't know what half these fucking things mean.
02:20:45.000 I don't know what the point was.
02:20:46.000 But if I had written them down with a corresponding audio recording, I mean, then I would really be able to click on it.
02:20:53.000 Yeah, yeah, and possibly jar the memory.
02:20:55.000 Yeah, that's when he was talking about this, and I wanted to bring up that.
02:20:57.000 Right.
02:20:58.000 Amazing.
02:20:59.000 Yeah, yeah.
02:20:59.000 I mean, just, I love that aspect of new technology, and apparently it works on a special type of paper as well.
02:21:05.000 Yeah.
02:21:06.000 I'll find out all about, I won't do an unboxing, but I'll talk about it on this.
02:21:11.000 I think you should do it.
02:21:12.000 I'm not doing it!
02:21:13.000 I think you should.
02:21:14.000 I'll tell you about it and you can do it.
02:21:16.000 That's what you do.
02:21:16.000 I have decided to limit myself as far as how many things I do.
02:21:20.000 Well, yeah, you have to.
02:21:21.000 If I don't, I will just keep doing things.
02:21:23.000 It's true.
02:21:23.000 The next thing you know, I'll be a professional racquetball player or something stupid.
02:21:26.000 Which would be pretty cool.
02:21:27.000 Take up a lot of time.
02:21:29.000 Yeah, whatever it is that I have, whatever my disease is, I know how to manage it.
02:21:34.000 That's good.
02:21:35.000 Don't do too many things.
02:21:36.000 So no unboxing videos.
02:21:37.000 No, no, no.
02:21:38.000 I was just joking around.
02:21:39.000 But you want to know something?
02:21:41.000 Like the origin of unboxing videos is the everyday guy not in this world.
02:21:46.000 Yes.
02:21:47.000 You know, getting something and giving you his reaction.
02:21:50.000 Like, in some ways, you become sophisticated to a point where you might not be addressing the things that the everyday guy is looking to have addressed.
02:21:57.000 It's possible.
02:21:58.000 But, essentially, you are the everyday guy.
02:22:01.000 Yeah, I still am the everyday guy.
02:22:02.000 You're immersed in this world of technology in a far deeper level.
02:22:06.000 And isn't it the everyday guy's opportunity to listen to that, watch those, and then get deeper and stuff?
02:22:11.000 I'm on the Joe Rogan podcast right now.
02:22:14.000 Yeah, there you go.
02:22:15.000 So, you know...
02:22:16.000 In some ways, yes, you are the everyday guy, but when you start talking to these brands directly, things get fucking weird.
02:22:22.000 Things get weird.
02:22:23.000 It affects you.
02:22:24.000 Yeah, but does it?
02:22:25.000 It does.
02:22:26.000 It doesn't affect us.
02:22:27.000 I mean, it does, but it doesn't.
02:22:29.000 It does, man.
02:22:30.000 Hmm.
02:22:30.000 In what way?
02:22:32.000 Do you put on kid gloves for LG? No, no, no, no.
02:22:37.000 No?
02:22:37.000 No.
02:22:38.000 I'm finding it hard to articulate, but tech news, right?
02:22:43.000 Big tech sites that are out there.
02:22:45.000 Right.
02:22:46.000 They would have a report underneath on a review.
02:22:49.000 For example, the product they're reviewing, there's a huge banner ad right above it.
02:22:55.000 Yeah, but if they are honest and always committed to being honest, I mean, isn't that goddamn essential for the company themselves?
02:23:03.000 If you put out a dud, I'm sorry, but you put out a fucking dud, what you need to do is get rid of those weak-ass engineers and designers and put out that dud.
02:23:10.000 If you don't, your fucking business is going to go under.
02:23:13.000 They do do that.
02:23:13.000 There's a tide coming, and if you've got a shitty foundation, your fucking house is going to get into the ocean.
02:23:18.000 Definitely, but...
02:23:20.000 These tech websites have a floor full of salespeople and a floor full of reporters.
02:23:23.000 Those floor full...
02:23:24.000 Whoever's the problem, they need to be...
02:23:27.000 I'm not saying anybody's the problem.
02:23:28.000 I'm saying that...
02:23:28.000 Thrown into the water.
02:23:29.000 I'm saying you're not reporting on a murder.
02:23:31.000 You're reporting on something that somebody's spending a lot of money to try and sell.
02:23:34.000 But if it's dog shit, it's dog shit.
02:23:36.000 I agree with that.
02:23:37.000 But that's not so much of an issue anymore because this is getting really iterative.
02:23:42.000 It's not so much an issue anymore of dog shit or not dog shit.
02:23:45.000 It's...
02:23:45.000 We're talking about a sliver.
02:23:46.000 Right.
02:23:47.000 In fact...
02:23:48.000 A popular tech website that I won't name for a very long time has been running ties.
02:23:54.000 They do a point analysis on devices, and they've been running ties on the flagship Android phones and the iPhone.
02:24:01.000 A tie!
02:24:02.000 On a decimal point analysis.
02:24:05.000 How the fuck do they tie exactly?
02:24:07.000 Well, do they tie exactly because they just tie exactly?
02:24:11.000 No!
02:24:11.000 So they're doing it because they don't want to piss people off, so you don't believe them.
02:24:16.000 I won't make that leap, but when I see something like that, automatically my mind starts telling me that there's something more here than meets the eye.
02:24:25.000 Isn't there an issue also with putting a quantitative value on a review?
02:24:30.000 Oh, most definitely.
02:24:31.000 Like a five star or a four and a half star?
02:24:34.000 They go way beyond that.
02:24:35.000 I'm talking like 8.3.
02:24:37.000 Right.
02:24:38.000 Decimal point analysis.
02:24:39.000 Right.
02:24:40.000 Well, we saw that about the UFC game when you were watching that Kinect UFC game.
02:24:44.000 It was like 6.5 in its review.
02:24:47.000 That's right.
02:24:47.000 Because those exist because people want to be told what to buy.
02:24:53.000 They don't want to do the work.
02:24:55.000 And I'm not hating on the audience.
02:24:57.000 Everybody's busy as fuck.
02:25:00.000 If you can tune in and find out what the best shit is in five minutes or less, so be it.
02:25:05.000 Do it.
02:25:06.000 The problem is that the more you take your guard down and the more that you allow for yourself to be programmed to respond to those things, the less likely that you're going to be able to get any kind of accuracy out of it.
02:25:19.000 Totally makes sense.
02:25:21.000 Yeah.
02:25:22.000 I see what you're saying.
02:25:24.000 It certainly opens up the door to that possibility.
02:25:26.000 And so you've got all these people in the business calling themselves journalists.
02:25:29.000 I've always been against it.
02:25:30.000 I've always been against it.
02:25:32.000 I don't think you can be a product journalist.
02:25:34.000 Well, you know, that's a very interesting situation when someone's an embedded journalist, right?
02:25:40.000 What do you mean by embedded?
02:25:41.000 Well, you're also in bed with the company that you're analyzing.
02:25:43.000 Oh, literally.
02:25:44.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
02:25:45.000 Embedded.
02:25:45.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
02:25:46.000 I mean, there's an issue with mixed martial arts that...
02:25:49.000 The UFC has had problems with companies that have been critical of the UFC and it's damaged the relationship that they have with the reporters.
02:25:58.000 But if you're a real reporter and you have a real opinion, the problem is when you work for a corporation.
02:26:06.000 When you're an independent like yourself...
02:26:08.000 It is the responsibility of that independent to be completely objective, because that's what everybody turns to you for.
02:26:14.000 And as soon as we can't count on you for that, the whole process of having an independent, it becomes irrelevant.
02:26:21.000 Like, it doesn't matter.
02:26:21.000 You're not an independent.
02:26:22.000 You might say you're an independent, but you're an LG fanboy.
02:26:25.000 There's no doubt that...
02:26:27.000 There's no doubt that the reason channels like mine have success is because we are third parties.
02:26:32.000 Because we are not in any meaningful way attached to anything and because for the most part we look to be like everybody else.
02:26:39.000 Like, here we are.
02:26:40.000 We started a YouTube channel.
02:26:41.000 Well, anybody can start a YouTube channel.
02:26:42.000 So the context helps to support the messaging in a way.
02:26:46.000 But the problem is that the further along this path you go, the more important you become.
02:26:50.000 And the treatment changes.
02:26:53.000 You know, it's like if you were walking...
02:26:54.000 It's like...
02:26:55.000 If you're a really good looking person...
02:26:57.000 That's me, bitch.
02:26:59.000 If you're Joe Rogan and you're walking around...
02:27:01.000 Yeah, you know what?
02:27:02.000 Fuck it.
02:27:03.000 Let's use Joe Rogan as an example.
02:27:04.000 Let's use Brian Redman.
02:27:06.000 Too late, too late.
02:27:08.000 Sexy face.
02:27:09.000 If you're walking around, you get a certain kind of treatment.
02:27:12.000 And that treatment that you get develops character.
02:27:15.000 You can't help it.
02:27:16.000 It's like hot women.
02:27:17.000 Hot women.
02:27:18.000 They have a certain amount of worth that they attach to themselves because everywhere they go they're treated like...
02:27:23.000 You can't hate them for it.
02:27:25.000 That's the world.
02:27:26.000 We're a product of the environment.
02:27:27.000 Right.
02:27:28.000 And I can't pretend that I am not a product of the environment that I have to exist within.
02:27:32.000 Well, I just have very specific rules.
02:27:36.000 When I engage in my environments where I have privileges, I have very specific rules.
02:27:43.000 Okay, let's hear about it.
02:27:44.000 Like martial arts is a big one.
02:27:46.000 It's a huge one.
02:27:47.000 Because the UFC that I work for is the biggest, greatest mixed martial arts organization ever.
02:27:52.000 However, along the way, during the time that I've been employed with them over the past 12 years, there have been instances where I've actively promoted fighters that were in other organizations.
02:28:02.000 Really?
02:28:03.000 Because I like them.
02:28:04.000 Because I like them, because I think they're really good, and because I have to be honest.
02:28:07.000 But they didn't pay you any.
02:28:08.000 Not a fucking penny.
02:28:09.000 Because I have to be honest.
02:28:10.000 When Fedor Emelianenko was in Pride, and he was one of the best heavyweights in the world, I constantly would talk about him on broadcasts.
02:28:18.000 To the point where some people didn't like it, and some people thought it was not smart.
02:28:23.000 But it is smart.
02:28:24.000 You know why it's smart?
02:28:25.000 Because I have to be honest.
02:28:27.000 If there's some guy out there that's murdering motherfuckers in some other organization, and I pretend that the guys we have are the only guys that I want to see fight, then that's ridiculous.
02:28:36.000 That I'm a ridiculous person, and I don't deserve that position.
02:28:39.000 I completely agree with you.
02:28:40.000 So in that same vein, isn't it the case with tech reporting?
02:28:44.000 Like, yes, you do get a very privileged position.
02:28:48.000 LG's sending you their sexy new watch, and you're getting all these...
02:28:51.000 Let me explain.
02:28:52.000 Let me give you an example of this.
02:28:55.000 This phone, the most popular single device on the planet.
02:28:58.000 You paid for it.
02:28:59.000 Yes.
02:28:59.000 But this phone specifically is probably the best way to do an analysis of the entire market because of how popular it is and because of how important it is as a piece of news.
02:29:14.000 iPhone.
02:29:15.000 iPhone.
02:29:15.000 iPhone 5S with that little thumbprint thingy.
02:29:18.000 That you can use your dick for as well.
02:29:20.000 Did you know that?
02:29:20.000 Yes, I did.
02:29:21.000 I bet you did.
02:29:22.000 And you could spoof it.
02:29:23.000 And you could spoof it with a little bit of wax.
02:29:25.000 Spoof it?
02:29:25.000 Yeah, hack it.
02:29:26.000 Oh, how dare you.
02:29:27.000 You could have to chop off somebody's finger and use an 8-volt battery.
02:29:30.000 Or you could do that, yeah.
02:29:32.000 8-volt battery.
02:29:33.000 I think if you catch a person sleeping and dip their finger in hot wax, that would do the job, too.
02:29:37.000 Yeah, you don't have to chop.
02:29:38.000 You're getting a little violent over there.
02:29:40.000 If you're on the go.
02:29:40.000 Taking it to a terrible level.
02:29:42.000 If you're on the go.
02:29:44.000 This device moves the needle.
02:29:46.000 The reason Apple doesn't spend as much money on marketing as Samsung, because they don't have to, this phone comes out, it's on the cover of the New York Times.
02:29:52.000 Hands down.
02:29:53.000 Done.
02:29:54.000 Why is that?
02:29:55.000 It's the best.
02:29:56.000 There's a couple of reasons, though.
02:29:57.000 It's the best.
02:29:58.000 It's actually not that easy.
02:30:00.000 When they are about to launch a new device, they give this out to people.
02:30:05.000 Apple does send stuff to people.
02:30:07.000 Not to me, but to people.
02:30:09.000 How come not to you?
02:30:10.000 Oh, God knows.
02:30:12.000 Who gets them?
02:30:14.000 Traditional media people.
02:30:16.000 Ew, like fucking Business Week, that kind of shit.
02:30:18.000 Exactly.
02:30:19.000 Wall Street Journal.
02:30:20.000 Bingo!
02:30:21.000 Some fucking crook over there.
02:30:22.000 You got it.
02:30:23.000 Lining his pockets with funny money.
02:30:25.000 Let me tell you how it works.
02:30:27.000 Oh, I just noticed that was shot in Toronto, that Jimi Hendrix picture.
02:30:30.000 Oh yeah, man.
02:30:31.000 That's cool.
02:30:32.000 Got arrested for heroin.
02:30:34.000 That's cool.
02:30:36.000 Okay, so a very selective group of people gets this device.
02:30:40.000 Then they maintain something beside it called the blacklist.
02:30:45.000 And a blacklist is people who are never going to get the device.
02:30:47.000 For one reason or another, there are many ways to get on that list.
02:30:49.000 Are you blacklisted?
02:30:50.000 No, there's no public record of the blacklist.
02:30:53.000 But it's just a blacklist.
02:30:54.000 Everyone in the business knows that it exists.
02:30:56.000 I want to do a fucking documentary on this, by the way.
02:30:58.000 Nobody would watch it except you and your fucking friends that review shit.
02:31:01.000 No, no, no, no.
02:31:02.000 Because Apple is a giant.
02:31:04.000 Apple affects our lives in ways, everyone's life, in a way that I might not be articulating.
02:31:10.000 But...
02:31:12.000 So how does that process work?
02:31:13.000 How do they decide who gets that device?
02:31:15.000 Well, you would assume that the people with the biggest audiences maybe would get it, or maybe just send it to anybody who wants to talk about it.
02:31:21.000 You would think all the exposure would be good.
02:31:23.000 Right.
02:31:24.000 Well, why is it that when this device launched, like, 15 motherfuckers got it?
02:31:30.000 Worldwide!
02:31:31.000 Like, a super limited number, an inner circle number.
02:31:36.000 Of reporters.
02:31:36.000 Because they can count on those people to only give glowing reviews.
02:31:40.000 And if those people, working for whoever, decide that they're going to write something different, guess where they can find their new home?
02:31:47.000 The blacklist.
02:31:48.000 The motherfucking blacklist.
02:31:50.000 Yeah, but that's their fault.
02:31:51.000 Whose fault?
02:31:52.000 Their fault.
02:31:53.000 Really?
02:31:54.000 Because the reason that newspapers' doors are open is because of the fucking device.
02:31:57.000 The coverage sells the ads.
02:31:59.000 The reason why newspapers' doors are open is because they haven't fucking burned to the ground yet in the great fires of the internet.
02:32:06.000 But truthfully, it's not just the newspapers.
02:32:07.000 There's big tech sites that get them as well.
02:32:09.000 I'm sure.
02:32:10.000 So there is a group that gets it, but the problem is you have this fear, this inherent fear, that if you don't do what the controlling party says to do, you don't get that access to the device anymore.
02:32:23.000 And unfortunately, it's the access to the device that drives the traffic.
02:32:28.000 Because if you get this review up a week before anyone else, guess what happens to everybody else's reviews?
02:32:33.000 What happens?
02:32:34.000 The value of them dips because the majority of the purchasing and purchasing decisions are made based on the very initial reviews.
02:32:42.000 But how much value is there in a high-traffic site these days?
02:32:46.000 Oh!
02:32:47.000 Ridiculous.
02:32:48.000 Big.
02:32:48.000 Massive value.
02:32:49.000 Huge.
02:32:49.000 Fucking huge.
02:32:50.000 So a site like Aris Technica, is that a high traffic one?
02:32:55.000 Yeah, that's a big one.
02:32:56.000 The Verge is big.
02:32:57.000 Which is The Verge?
02:32:58.000 The Verge is big, yeah.
02:32:59.000 So a guy who writes for one of those is going to get access.
02:33:03.000 Let me say this like this.
02:33:05.000 If you're a reporter working at The Verge and you get the task of doing the new iPhone...
02:33:09.000 And listen, I am not fucking attacking the verge.
02:33:12.000 The iPhone is a great phone, arguably the best phone on the market, and nobody really comes out and says shit that's untrue about it.
02:33:18.000 I'm just talking about a potential that exists that steers in a direction way outside the world of journalism that doesn't happen when somebody is murdered or you're investigating a crime or you're...
02:33:30.000 I don't know.
02:33:47.000 It being financially beneficial for you to support certain companies.
02:33:50.000 That's what I'm saying.
02:34:02.000 Park them aside and go, ha ha, that was just for fun.
02:34:05.000 Now, let's suck some dick.
02:34:07.000 Definitely.
02:34:07.000 There's guys that have written stories after the fact, after they've been blacklisted, about explaining what happened.
02:34:14.000 They're not getting the device anymore.
02:34:15.000 And the problem is, The Verge, for example, has record page views the days these devices launch.
02:34:22.000 Record page views.
02:34:23.000 I'm sure.
02:34:24.000 So they have to.
02:34:25.000 They have to have it early.
02:34:27.000 They have.
02:34:27.000 They can't.
02:34:28.000 Literally, people are employed.
02:34:31.000 On that paycheck, you're seeing a percentage that came from that fucking report, from having access to that product.
02:34:37.000 But if you get one, like, how much difference would it make if you get one the day it comes out, like, when everybody else gets one?
02:34:44.000 Which is what I do.
02:34:44.000 Which is wait in line like a fucking idiot.
02:34:47.000 Look at you, you're old school.
02:34:48.000 It's fun.
02:34:48.000 You're retro.
02:34:49.000 I have to, but for this stuff, the other stuff I get, you know, I get early now, and the other brands do it.
02:34:55.000 They're like, fuck it, yeah, let's get this shit out there, you know?
02:34:58.000 Apple...
02:34:59.000 Fuck no.
02:35:00.000 Their PR team is...
02:35:01.000 I'm definitely blacklisted after this podcast.
02:35:03.000 So are you, actually.
02:35:04.000 This podcast?
02:35:05.000 Yeah.
02:35:05.000 Why?
02:35:06.000 We're both using Apple products.
02:35:07.000 Apple's nice to me.
02:35:08.000 We both have iPhones.
02:35:09.000 It doesn't matter because I've even brought up the notion.
02:35:13.000 The notion is enough.
02:35:15.000 A lot of Apple engineers write me all the time.
02:35:17.000 They love listening to this show.
02:35:19.000 I think we have this weird cheat code.
02:35:20.000 Shut the fuck up!
02:35:21.000 Dude, yeah, we have a lot of Apple people.
02:35:24.000 Don't worry about it.
02:35:25.000 I love the shit.
02:35:26.000 I love the shit.
02:35:27.000 I love the stuff they're making, all the rest of it.
02:35:29.000 I'm just talking about people prancing around calling themselves journalists when that's not the reality.
02:35:35.000 It's not an open access story.
02:35:37.000 It's not like some shit went down in some foreign country and you and another guy both have the same opportunity to go there and investigate it.
02:35:44.000 This is way different.
02:35:45.000 I see what you're saying.
02:35:46.000 I absolutely see what you're saying.
02:35:48.000 When there's such a large financial benefit to having early access, especially when you look at page views and things along those lines, when an iPhone comes out, you have essentially 24 to 48 hours where people are really freaking out.
02:36:01.000 That's right.
02:36:01.000 And during that time, you can accumulate millions and millions of hits, right?
02:36:05.000 Oh, it's absurd.
02:36:07.000 Tricky shit, man.
02:36:07.000 But if everybody fucking did it ethically...
02:36:10.000 Well, you see, with iPhones...
02:36:12.000 iPhone may be a bad example because it's such a stellar product.
02:36:15.000 And it's really...
02:36:16.000 And a uniquely...
02:36:18.000 A controlled situation, which is what we were talking about earlier, which is their whole argument.
02:36:23.000 Like, look what we've done.
02:36:24.000 The reason why we have this controlled environment is that we put together the hardware, we put together the operating system, we make everything compatible.
02:36:32.000 There's nothing that fucks up.
02:36:33.000 Right.
02:36:34.000 But why are they sending out 15 units?
02:36:36.000 If they know their shit is badass.
02:36:38.000 Because they're tired of your bullshit, bro.
02:36:40.000 Tired of your fucking snarky comments.
02:36:41.000 Yeah, they are.
02:36:43.000 Because they...
02:36:44.000 Deep down, they are fucking masterminds at controlling public relations.
02:36:50.000 Yeah.
02:36:51.000 Masterminds.
02:36:52.000 Is the climate any different with Tim Cook as opposed to Steve Jobs?
02:36:57.000 Fanboy alert.
02:36:58.000 I know who's the CEO of Apple.
02:37:00.000 That's pretty good.
02:37:02.000 I don't know that I can accurately answer that.
02:37:04.000 I think people always say that under Steve's influence, they had product...
02:37:09.000 We're good to go.
02:37:31.000 Oh, probably.
02:37:32.000 That's why he dumped it.
02:37:34.000 I should pull that up because it's a fascinating story.
02:37:37.000 I think it's pretty hard to manage a company of that stature and not be an asshole.
02:37:41.000 Also, you gotta think about what is an average person's life.
02:37:46.000 An average person's life is you have a job, but you also have a fucking family and a lot of other shit you do.
02:37:51.000 Your job is not your whole life.
02:37:52.000 To Steve Jobs, Apple was his whole fucking life.
02:37:56.000 And his personal life suffered because of it.
02:37:58.000 Yeah, I'm sure.
02:37:59.000 Well, that's probably had something to do with his health as well.
02:38:01.000 Probably.
02:38:03.000 Investor dumps Apple stock.
02:38:06.000 I need to get one of these Nexus phones now.
02:38:07.000 Now I can't stop thinking that.
02:38:08.000 I may never have ever used the actual fucking operating system.
02:38:12.000 Dude, you can find clips of the even newer one.
02:38:15.000 They're calling it L. Right.
02:38:17.000 I saw the...
02:38:18.000 Dude, it looks so beautiful.
02:38:20.000 Just the way they're looking at design and working with dimensions up and down.
02:38:23.000 Now, is the Nexus...
02:38:25.000 Is that 5?
02:38:26.000 This is 5, yeah.
02:38:27.000 Is the Nexus 5 the only one that does that?
02:38:29.000 Or is somebody like Sony or somebody...
02:38:31.000 Running 4.4.4 now is just...
02:38:33.000 The Nexus will always get updates first.
02:38:35.000 Right.
02:38:35.000 Because it doesn't have to come through the carrier.
02:38:37.000 This is an unlocked device, completely open.
02:38:39.000 Right.
02:38:41.000 Yeah.
02:39:07.000 He admits that his stock did very well for him, but he would rather let someone else make the money from now on, said the CNN investment show closing bell.
02:39:16.000 See, even that, I'm all skeptical of that whole thing.
02:39:20.000 Yeah, me too.
02:39:20.000 That's crazy, though.
02:39:21.000 He's saying it caused a crisis of consciousness.
02:39:24.000 Yeah.
02:39:25.000 Wow.
02:39:27.000 A guy that's worth billions saying anything...
02:39:30.000 It says, I came to the conclusion that it was unlikely that a man as really awful as I think Steve Jobs was could possibly create a great company for the long term.
02:39:40.000 I just don't believe that bad guys do well in the long run.
02:39:44.000 Who fucking wrote that book, though?
02:39:46.000 Walter Isaacson.
02:39:47.000 How does he, I mean, how well does he know Steve Jobs?
02:39:50.000 I mean, obviously you can decide to paint us a, like, you don't know your best friend all the time.
02:39:58.000 You know him when you're hanging around with him.
02:40:00.000 There's a lot of times when people are alone, like, to paint a portrait of Steve Jobs without a steeply intimate relationship with him...
02:40:07.000 I think, you know, you could go all sorts of ways.
02:40:10.000 You could go the way of these 15 companies that get their Apple phones in advance and paint this really glowing, glamorous picture.
02:40:18.000 Or you could just paint some picture that you think is going to sell a lot of fucking books.
02:40:22.000 Some scathing, awful depiction of...
02:40:25.000 It's like, you ever watch a historical depiction, like a historical documentary, like Lincoln?
02:40:31.000 You ever see the show?
02:40:31.000 Never, no.
02:40:32.000 The problem is you know those people didn't really say that.
02:40:35.000 Oh, right, right.
02:40:35.000 You know they didn't say that in that author.
02:40:38.000 So when you have a book on Steve Jobs' life, you have some vague facts that you don't maybe know the entire circumstances, the context of the conversations.
02:40:50.000 It's like you're flavoring things.
02:40:53.000 You have facts, and then you're throwing those facts in and pouring your own colors on them and your own shapes to paint your own picture.
02:41:03.000 I sort of wonder though, getting back to the asshole comment, like in the movies and stuff as well, he'll come in and fire somebody in front of everyone else.
02:41:12.000 Oh wait a minute, this guy's an idiot.
02:41:14.000 Because listen to the rest of his quote.
02:41:15.000 In an interesting twist of logic, Robertson also said that if Steve Jobs was still alive, he'd still be an Apple investor.
02:41:22.000 And then he said, after watching the Ashton Kutcher movie, he thought Steve Jobs was sexy.
02:41:26.000 Oh, you didn't say that.
02:41:28.000 It's not even Steve Jobs.
02:41:29.000 It's Ashton Kutcher.
02:41:30.000 So there's no question in that.
02:41:31.000 He's the man who killed three and a half men.
02:41:33.000 What does that tell you about billionaires?
02:41:35.000 They're all fucking crazy.
02:41:37.000 Well, if I was a billionaire, I wouldn't do any interviews.
02:41:39.000 I'd just be out bawling.
02:41:40.000 I'd just be flying around in fucking spaceships and throwing champagne at people.
02:41:43.000 Why would you even do interviews?
02:41:45.000 Like, I sold my Apple Stopped.
02:41:46.000 Fuck you!
02:41:48.000 I'm 90 and I'm worth a fucking hundred billion dollars.
02:41:50.000 I'm pretty sure the only objective there is to influence the market.
02:41:53.000 That's it.
02:41:53.000 That's what he's doing?
02:41:54.000 Yeah, same as that ICANN guy.
02:41:56.000 When you're that big and you hold that much stock, your behavior affects so many things.
02:42:02.000 He might be hedging.
02:42:03.000 Well, we don't know how much stock he had.
02:42:05.000 No.
02:42:05.000 We know he sold his stock.
02:42:06.000 We know if he's a billionaire, he could afford to influence the market.
02:42:13.000 Huh.
02:42:14.000 This is interesting.
02:42:15.000 I don't know, man.
02:42:17.000 Who knows?
02:42:18.000 No, nobody knows, but I find the stock market to be a bizarre place because you're talking about the evaluation of a company and it's impacted by...
02:42:28.000 Confidence.
02:42:29.000 That's a fucking scheme.
02:42:30.000 It's a ridiculous scheme.
02:42:32.000 It's one of the weirdest methods of controlling an economy ever.
02:42:35.000 It's bizarre.
02:42:36.000 The idea that it's actually what we rely on.
02:42:39.000 Yep.
02:42:39.000 Confidence games.
02:42:41.000 Those things, the stock, those fucking movies of Wall Street where people are on the floor.
02:42:46.000 That's right.
02:42:50.000 That's the underlying system.
02:42:52.000 That keeps food on your table and your mortgage pay and the roof over your head.
02:42:57.000 Goofy antics.
02:42:58.000 Just so crazy.
02:43:00.000 And that's some archaic shit that maybe worked out with something like Bitcoin.
02:43:04.000 That like when digital currency starts taking over, we have a sort of a different idea of a monetized value because of digital currency.
02:43:14.000 That could be something that...
02:43:15.000 It eventually gets reworked as well.
02:43:17.000 For sure.
02:43:18.000 I mean, you have to worry about the financial companies getting a hold of it.
02:43:23.000 Of course.
02:43:24.000 Well, do you think that in that sense that that's one of the reasons why transparency is a good idea?
02:43:29.000 Because people who do have ulterior motives and obvious...
02:43:34.000 Bad intentions, financial intentions, and bad social consequences.
02:43:39.000 Transparency to what degree?
02:43:41.000 That's a good question.
02:43:44.000 You were mentioning earlier that you're transparent, I'm transparent, but again, I don't necessarily share everything about...
02:43:51.000 I don't know, there's a level of transparency that makes sense, and then at some point it gets weird.
02:43:56.000 Right.
02:43:56.000 Like if a finance guy had to...
02:44:00.000 If we were able to grasp the amount of money these fucking guys are making by trading one inanimate thing for another inanimate thing, I don't think society would be very happy about it.
02:44:10.000 That's a good point.
02:44:12.000 Yeah.
02:44:13.000 It's essentially a gambling ring.
02:44:15.000 So many of these hedge funds now, it's not even about investing in a company you believe in.
02:44:19.000 It's in making a play.
02:44:21.000 Well, that's one of the reasons why the Bernie Madoff situation was so confusing.
02:44:25.000 Because I was like, oh my god, this guy, he was involved in...
02:44:31.000 You know, people that were incredibly rich, and he was moving their money, and he was doing it in full view of the world.
02:44:37.000 It wasn't like, he had a huge business, a building.
02:44:41.000 A whole floor, man.
02:44:42.000 Yeah, I mean, you watch them move money around, and all these billionaires and millionaires were investing with him, and he did it in front of everybody.
02:44:50.000 That's right.
02:44:51.000 That exposes the entire system.
02:44:53.000 What about the crash?
02:44:55.000 Yeah.
02:44:55.000 What about the bailout?
02:44:56.000 Yeah.
02:44:56.000 What about the bailout?
02:44:57.000 Yeah.
02:44:57.000 I mean, that was in front of all of us.
02:44:59.000 It's all so crazy.
02:45:00.000 It's all so crazy.
02:45:01.000 And I think that, like the news, like the evening news, like a lot of things, we're dealing with dinosaurs.
02:45:09.000 We're dealing with these forgotten relics, or not forgotten, but current relics of an age where they're not relevant anymore.
02:45:18.000 It's just the ideas behind them that make them aren't relevant.
02:45:21.000 Nope.
02:45:21.000 And they've also been compromised to a point where they're so unstable when it comes to things like the stock market.
02:45:27.000 When you look at derivatives, Peter Schiff tried to explain derivatives to me and how people bet on things failing and how much money there is in that aspect of the economy.
02:45:40.000 It's so bewildering that anybody ever let that happen.
02:45:43.000 And it's not about what makes sense.
02:45:45.000 It's about what you can convince people.
02:45:47.000 That's the problem.
02:45:48.000 It's much like a betting line on a fight, a UFC fight.
02:45:52.000 I was listening to one of your fight broadcasts there where you were saying you had a great record picking winners, but you will never say it or something like that.
02:46:04.000 Well, I never give predictions.
02:46:05.000 You don't want to give predictions, but I would imagine, being who you are, that you could fairly accurately predict winners over and over again.
02:46:13.000 Pretty accurate, but not 100%.
02:46:15.000 Here's a perfect example.
02:46:17.000 Name one that you got surprised.
02:46:18.000 Oh, I get surprised all the time.
02:46:20.000 Chris Weidman Anderson Silva surprised me.
02:46:23.000 I thought Weidman was going to give him some troubles, but I never thought he would win by knockout in the first round or the second round like that.
02:46:29.000 No, that fight surprised everybody.
02:46:30.000 Yeah.
02:46:31.000 There was no way.
02:46:32.000 But I guess you don't necessarily need to be perfect in order to make a lot of money.
02:46:36.000 TJ Dillashaw, Hennon Burrell.
02:46:37.000 There's another one.
02:46:38.000 Hennon Burrell, one of the best fighters on the planet.
02:46:40.000 TJ Dillashaw dominates him for five rounds and then head kicks him.
02:46:44.000 Yeah, I know.
02:46:45.000 It's crazy.
02:46:46.000 So yeah, it's not a science.
02:46:48.000 But, that being said, I think you could knock it out of the park a good enough percentage of the time to make a killing.
02:46:53.000 Oh yeah, man.
02:46:54.000 If I wanted to bet money on fights every week...
02:46:57.000 That's what I'm saying.
02:46:58.000 Oh, I could make some cash.
02:46:59.000 So the line that they draw is based on what they can sell.
02:47:04.000 So it's relative to the betting that's already occurring.
02:47:08.000 That's why the line moves, right?
02:47:09.000 It's no different in the stock market.
02:47:11.000 If you can convince people that a stock is valuable, guess what?
02:47:14.000 It's valuable.
02:47:15.000 Do you think it's unethical if I bet on fights?
02:47:17.000 I can't affect the outcome.
02:47:19.000 If I bet on fights myself, if I decided to do commentary on a fight...
02:47:23.000 Wait a minute, this is not in your contract?
02:47:23.000 I don't think so.
02:47:25.000 Really?
02:47:25.000 I don't think so.
02:47:26.000 This is breaking news right now.
02:47:27.000 Joe Rogan...
02:47:28.000 I don't...
02:47:29.000 I mean, I'm not a player.
02:47:31.000 No, no, I agree.
02:47:31.000 If I was a player or a coach, then I would think that betting on fights could be very problematic.
02:47:35.000 So you have contact with the fighters.
02:47:38.000 Is that insider trading?
02:47:40.000 LAUGHTER What is that?
02:47:42.000 I don't know.
02:47:42.000 I would do it.
02:47:43.000 You should have your own show on YouTube.
02:47:45.000 Like, who was that guy that got ousted?
02:47:47.000 He used to be the betting machine in football.
02:47:50.000 Jimmy the Greek?
02:47:50.000 Jimmy the Greek.
02:47:51.000 Yeah, but that was because he was racist.
02:47:52.000 But he wasn't even racist.
02:47:54.000 He was just kind of being accurate about how they used to breed slaves.
02:47:56.000 Just the way he said it.
02:47:58.000 Right, exactly.
02:47:58.000 It was just so fucking brutal.
02:48:00.000 But he had a segment on national TV about betting.
02:48:03.000 That's crazy.
02:48:04.000 Like, people care.
02:48:05.000 You know how many people would watch a show of you giving your picks on an upcoming event?
02:48:10.000 It's too mean.
02:48:11.000 It's too rude.
02:48:12.000 How's it rude?
02:48:29.000 And Ken Shamrock was supposed to fight Kimbo Slice, but Ken Shamrock got cut backstage while he was warming up, and the doctors wouldn't let him fight.
02:48:37.000 So because it was going to be on TV, Seth Petruzzelli, who was earlier on in the car, had already been approved by Athletic Commission, already made weight, decided to fight Kimbo in the main event.
02:48:47.000 He had already fought that night?
02:48:48.000 No.
02:48:49.000 Oh, okay.
02:48:49.000 He was approved to fight that night.
02:48:50.000 Oh, I see, I see.
02:48:50.000 It all happened that day.
02:48:51.000 I see, I see.
02:48:52.000 So they rearranged the car the day of the fight.
02:48:54.000 They paid the other guy money.
02:48:55.000 Got it.
02:48:56.000 They got Kimbo to fight Seth Petruzzelli.
02:48:58.000 Got it.
02:48:58.000 And so we're backstage, and I found out about it literally as it was going on.
02:49:01.000 I was like, oh my god, Seth Petruzzelli is going to fuck him up.
02:49:05.000 And then the fight happens, and it literally lasts six seconds.
02:49:08.000 Seth Petruzzelli knocks him out.
02:49:09.000 And I was like, see?
02:49:10.000 I told you.
02:49:11.000 Here it is.
02:49:12.000 He could play it.
02:49:15.000 But is this the fight?
02:49:16.000 Is this me watching the fight?
02:49:18.000 This is not me watching the fight.
02:49:20.000 Pull out the video of me predicting it.
02:49:22.000 Because I predicted and we were watching it backstage as it was happening on the screen.
02:49:26.000 But it was very mean.
02:49:27.000 Because I was like, Seth Petruzzelli is going to fuck him up.
02:49:30.000 But I like Kimbo.
02:49:31.000 He's a nice guy.
02:49:32.000 So I felt bad after I said it, even though I was correct.
02:49:35.000 There's a weird thing about fighting that...
02:49:38.000 When it's over, you're on the ground and bloody.
02:49:41.000 Here it is.
02:49:41.000 Seth Perezelli is fighting Kimbo Slice.
02:49:42.000 Oh no.
02:49:43.000 This is a last minute replacement.
02:49:45.000 I gotta think Seth Perezelli's gonna fuck him up.
02:49:48.000 If I'm wrong, you'll never see this.
02:49:50.000 So it doesn't matter.
02:49:52.000 So we're sitting here backstage.
02:49:54.000 What's wrong with that?
02:49:55.000 What's wrong with it?
02:49:57.000 Here we go.
02:49:58.000 This is why they do this.
02:50:01.000 Watch how fast this is though.
02:50:03.000 Yeah, I saw this.
02:50:05.000 Oh my god, you're fucking right.
02:50:07.000 Oh yeah, you're fucking right.
02:50:13.000 I felt bad about that.
02:50:15.000 I mean, I probably shouldn't.
02:50:16.000 Damn, how high do I look in that picture, by the way?
02:50:18.000 That too.
02:50:19.000 That beard, bro.
02:50:20.000 That's your sexy beard, but I look very intoxicated.
02:50:25.000 Well, you were motivated at the time.
02:50:27.000 I think with a little more composure.
02:50:31.000 Well, not only was I motivated, it was in the moment.
02:50:33.000 Yeah, I know.
02:50:34.000 You're excited about it.
02:50:35.000 I got off stage and they hadn't fought yet.
02:50:37.000 And I was like, oh shit.
02:50:38.000 So I literally had just gotten off stage.
02:50:41.000 And boom, you were in the dressing room.
02:50:43.000 And oh, they haven't fought yet.
02:50:44.000 And what?
02:50:44.000 Seth Petruzzoli's going to fight?
02:50:46.000 And then we made the video.
02:50:47.000 Yeah.
02:50:47.000 See, with more preparation, you could phrase it in a way that isn't insulting, I think.
02:50:53.000 Well, my partner at Onnit, Aubrey, is an active bettor under my advice.
02:50:58.000 I heard him betting on one of the fight broadcasts.
02:51:00.000 Very strong average.
02:51:02.000 Like, well into the 80%.
02:51:04.000 At one point in time, we were at 90%.
02:51:05.000 Wow.
02:51:06.000 We've gone full cards where we are 100% correct.
02:51:09.000 Wow.
02:51:10.000 Yeah.
02:51:10.000 Yeah, he fucking...
02:51:12.000 Dude, let me tell you, if you're 90%, you need to be spending some money.
02:51:18.000 No, because I would get addicted.
02:51:20.000 The problem is, one of the reasons why I don't gamble on it, is not that I worry it would affect my commentary, because I absolutely would not let it.
02:51:26.000 I've been accused of being biased before, but if I am biased, it's because I enjoy certain styles.
02:51:31.000 It's certainly not biased because I want one person to win.
02:51:34.000 I just think I like when people fight effectively and intelligently.
02:51:37.000 I like when people are exciting.
02:51:41.000 I have very specific things that I like about the sport of fighting, and one of them is I enjoy technique, and someone who's a real technician, a craftsman, someone who really immerses himself.
02:51:53.000 It doesn't mean they're going to win.
02:51:54.000 Sometimes a fighter who's just stronger or faster just clubs someone.
02:51:58.000 I mean, there's fighters...
02:52:00.000 Fights have been lost where the other guy was clearly the better fighter, but he's still lost.
02:52:04.000 A perfect example is Ernesto Hoost fought Bob Sapp.
02:52:07.000 It's a weird example because it was in K-1.
02:52:10.000 Bob Sapp's the huge guy, right?
02:52:11.000 Exactly.
02:52:12.000 And Ernesto Hoost is one of the greatest kickboxers of all time, but Bob Sapp has beat him twice.
02:52:18.000 It doesn't make any sense.
02:52:19.000 It was only because Bob Sapp was 375 pounds of fucking solid steroids.
02:52:24.000 Yeah.
02:52:24.000 And just running at him and just Donkey Kong.
02:52:27.000 I mean, if you watch the fight, you see Ernesto Hoost, who's this masterful technician.
02:52:32.000 But he just can't deal.
02:52:34.000 Pull up some of the video of it, because it's three minutes.
02:52:37.000 We got three minutes?
02:52:38.000 All right.
02:52:39.000 Probably shouldn't pull the video up then.
02:52:41.000 Three minutes left?
02:52:42.000 Yeah.
02:52:42.000 Shut up.
02:52:42.000 We did three hours, man.
02:52:43.000 Three hours.
02:52:44.000 It's over.
02:52:44.000 That's it?
02:52:45.000 Yep.
02:52:46.000 Look, it's three hours and ten minutes.
02:52:47.000 See?
02:52:47.000 Dear God.
02:52:49.000 Now I know why everyone says that at the end.
02:52:51.000 Flies!
02:52:52.000 What the hell, man?
02:52:53.000 It flies.
02:52:53.000 Did we even talk about technology?
02:52:55.000 We did.
02:52:55.000 We did, okay.
02:52:56.000 We talked a lot about technology.
02:52:57.000 All right, good.
02:52:58.000 We could definitely do this again, though.
02:52:59.000 When are you going to be in town again?
02:53:00.000 I don't know right now.
02:53:01.000 Come on, son.
02:53:02.000 Come up with a schedule.
02:53:03.000 I should know.
02:53:03.000 I could make a reason, probably.
02:53:06.000 I've been here a lot this month.
02:53:07.000 A lot of fun talking to you though, man.
02:53:08.000 Really enjoyed this.
02:53:08.000 Thanks for having me.
02:53:09.000 We'll definitely do this again.
02:53:10.000 For sure.
02:53:10.000 Follow him online, Unbox Therapy, youtube.com forward slash Unbox Therapy.
02:53:15.000 You got it.
02:53:16.000 Really cool stuff.
02:53:17.000 Really cool to have you on here.
02:53:18.000 And again, we could just go on for days and days and days.
02:53:22.000 So we'll definitely have to do this again.
02:53:23.000 Cool.
02:53:23.000 For sure.
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02:53:46.000 There are very few tickets left for tonight at the Ice House.
02:53:49.000 We are in the little room.
02:54:06.000 It's one of the coolest clubs on the planet Earth.
02:54:09.000 One of the oldest clubs in North America today.
02:54:12.000 Started in 1960. It's a fucking awesome place.
02:54:15.000 A lot of good vibes.
02:54:16.000 Alright, much love, my friends.
02:54:17.000 We'll be back next week.
02:54:19.000 Crash from the Float Lab will be here.
02:54:21.000 Lots of other stuff coming up.
02:54:22.000 I'll talk to you soon.
02:54:24.000 Give me a break.
02:54:25.000 See you soon.
02:54:25.000 Bye-bye.