The Joe Rogan Experience - July 30, 2014


Joe Rogan Experience #528 - Michael Stevens, from VSauce


Episode Stats

Length

2 hours and 56 minutes

Words per Minute

171.58687

Word Count

30,348

Sentence Count

2,929

Misogynist Sentences

24


Summary

In this episode of the podcast, we talk about Blue Apron's new service that sends you fresh ingredients in a cooler, along with a recipe, to make delicious meals. We also talk about a new supplement called the Cordyceps mushroom and how it s based off of the Chinese Olympic team's performance in the 1992 Summer Games. This episode was produced by Alex Blumberg and edited by Annie-Rose Strasser. Our theme song is Come Alone by Suneaters, courtesy of Lotuspool Records. The show was mixed and produced by Matthew Boll. Special thanks to our sponsor, Blue Aprion, for sponsoring this episode. Thanks also to Onnit and Shroomtech Sport for supporting the podcast. We're also looking for your help with our new campaign to raise awareness about the opioid crisis in our community. Don t miss it! Don t forget to SUBSCRIBE to stay up to date with the latest episodes of the pod! Subscribe, rate, and review on Apple Podcasts, and stay tuned for new episodes every Monday morning. Logo by Courtney DeKorte. Theme by Mavus White. Music by PSOVOD and tyops. Thank you for listening and supporting the podCast. Please rate, review, and subscribe to the pod, and spread the word to your friends about this podcast! if you like what you're listening to this podcast and/listening to it on your social media! If you like it, please leave us a review, share it on iTunes, and tell a friend about it and/tweet about it on Insta, and we'll send it to someone else listening to it and share it to their friends about it's a review on their Insta story about it, it'll help us spread it around the world! or share it everywhere they're listening about it :) and spread it everywhere else they can do it. <3 - Cheers, Cheers! Cheers. - Caitie, Caitie. Caitie and Jonothans, Ronna, Rachael, JUICY, and Jonah, Rocha, Jeezy, and Ben, Racheal, and Rachie, and so much more. -- Caitlyn, Jonah and Rohan, Raldee, and Jodie, Jaxon, and Rachel


Transcript

00:00:03.000 Hey everybody.
00:00:05.000 All of you.
00:00:06.000 Talking to you.
00:00:07.000 What's going on?
00:00:08.000 This episode of the podcast is brought to you by Blue Apron.
00:00:11.000 Blue Apron is one of our latest and greatest podcast sponsors and it's a very interesting concept.
00:00:16.000 What they're doing is they're sending you ingredients.
00:00:20.000 Fresh ingredients in like a cooler.
00:00:22.000 It's all chilled and shit.
00:00:26.000 And it's...
00:00:29.000 Along with...
00:00:30.000 We're adjusting microphones here.
00:00:32.000 Are you good?
00:00:32.000 They're sending you a cooler with all the ingredients for fresh meals.
00:00:38.000 Along with ingredients, they have these step-by-step instructions.
00:00:45.000 The recipe with visual instructions on how to create fantastic meals.
00:00:50.000 And here's how it works.
00:00:51.000 For $9.99 a meal, and these are excellent meals, they'll send you all the ingredients in the exact right proportions, simple recipe instructions right to your door.
00:01:02.000 Meals are between 500 and 700 calories per serving.
00:01:06.000 And when you're eating it, you would think that it's a lot more.
00:01:09.000 They're very delicious.
00:01:11.000 It's yummy stuff.
00:01:12.000 They've done a really excellent job.
00:01:14.000 And they've made everything completely idiot-proof.
00:01:17.000 The step-by-step instructions with pictures, it's fun.
00:01:20.000 It's fun to do.
00:01:21.000 I've enjoyed it.
00:01:23.000 I'm really getting a kick out of it.
00:01:25.000 And if you're interested in trying this, go to blueapron.com slash rogan.
00:01:30.000 That's blueapron.com slash rogan, and you will get your first two meals free by going to that exact website.
00:01:38.000 I love when someone comes up with a new concept, like a completely different idea that I haven't heard before.
00:01:43.000 And this is one of them.
00:01:45.000 Poultry, fish, meat, vegetables.
00:01:48.000 For this week, I got oven fried chicken with corn and bean salad, shrimp, lobster rolls, lamb, pea, and mint.
00:01:58.000 I can't even say this word.
00:02:00.000 O-R-E-C-C-H-I-E-T-T-E. I want to tell you something, Blue Apron.
00:02:07.000 This is America, okay?
00:02:09.000 In America, we demand simplicity.
00:02:11.000 We don't want any fucking foreign names.
00:02:13.000 What is that?
00:02:13.000 I think that's pasta.
00:02:14.000 Orchetti pasta.
00:02:14.000 Orchetti?
00:02:15.000 I think so.
00:02:17.000 Orchetti?
00:02:18.000 Does it look right?
00:02:19.000 Mmm.
00:02:20.000 Orchetti?
00:02:21.000 Orchetti?
00:02:22.000 Whatever it is.
00:02:23.000 Purple spring onions and lemons.
00:02:25.000 The point is, this is not bland food.
00:02:27.000 This is really like gourmet food that you can cook yourself.
00:02:29.000 And it's healthy, and it's low enough calories.
00:02:32.000 And it's really excellent.
00:02:34.000 And the quality of their ingredients, I was pretty impressed by.
00:02:37.000 I was looking at all the stuff, like the cuts of meat, the fish, everything's super fresh and delicious.
00:02:42.000 And I love the idea.
00:02:43.000 A lot of us are super busy.
00:02:45.000 You don't have time to go to a store and buy a recipe book and then write down all the shit that you need to buy and measure it out and weigh it out.
00:02:54.000 Blue Apron takes care of all the steps.
00:02:57.000 The shopping, the measuring, the weighing, the recipe, everything.
00:03:01.000 And you can be insured of eating healthy meals.
00:03:05.000 And healthy meals that are fun to make.
00:03:07.000 You can do it yourself.
00:03:07.000 And it's not hard.
00:03:08.000 It's easy to do.
00:03:09.000 I'm no chef.
00:03:10.000 I put them together.
00:03:11.000 And like I said, it's quite yummy.
00:03:14.000 So give it a shot and I guarantee you'll enjoy it.
00:03:17.000 Blueapron.com slash Rogan.
00:03:19.000 That's for two free meals.
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00:03:24.000 We're also brought to you by Onnit.com.
00:03:26.000 That's O-N-N-I-T. Onnit is a human optimization website and what we do is we sell you things that we think can improve your mind, improve your body, anything that we can find that we use that helps physical fitness,
00:03:43.000 there's supplements that help endurance, there's a There's a product called a Cordyceps mushroom that Shroomtech Sport is based on.
00:03:50.000 It's one of my favorite supplements and I actually get really bummed out if I go to the gym and I realize that I haven't had it and I didn't put it in my bag.
00:03:58.000 Shroom tech is based on this mushroom that the Chinese Olympic team started using.
00:04:02.000 They were winning all these medals and the the idea behind the Cordyceps mushroom is they found a long time ago these ancient cattle herders where they would go to high elevation they found that these cows would be noticeably more lively when they would be eating these certain mushrooms and these mushrooms are Cordyceps mushrooms in 1993 The Beijing Summer Games,
00:04:25.000 the Chinese long-distance women's track team, was running at a punishing full marathon every day in preparation.
00:04:33.000 Several world records later, and after extensive doping tests, everything came up negative.
00:04:38.000 And the coach, Coach Ma, that's a real name, revealed that it was Cordyceps mushrooms, Cordyceps sinensis.
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00:07:01.000 Aren't you happy?
00:07:02.000 I know you are.
00:07:03.000 Strap yourself in, ladies and gentlemen.
00:07:05.000 Vsauce from Twitter, a.k.a.
00:07:07.000 Michael Stevens, is here.
00:07:08.000 We're going to learn some shit.
00:07:09.000 Let's get cracking.
00:07:11.000 Joe Rogan Podcast.
00:07:12.000 Check it out.
00:07:12.000 The Joe Rogan Experience.
00:07:15.000 Train by day.
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00:07:17.000 All day.
00:07:24.000 Hey man, come on up to the microphone, fella.
00:07:26.000 Thanks for doing this.
00:07:27.000 I really appreciate it.
00:07:28.000 It's awesome to be here.
00:07:29.000 Thanks for having me on.
00:07:30.000 Awesome to have you.
00:07:30.000 You've got a killer YouTube page, man.
00:07:33.000 I love when I can find out about a YouTube page, like if you go to some of your videos, and you're like, well, what is this video?
00:07:41.000 And you go, holy shit, this video's got 726,000 hits.
00:07:45.000 Other ones have millions.
00:07:47.000 This one, what if the earth stops spinning?
00:07:49.000 4,285,279 hits.
00:07:54.000 Which is just a testament to how fascinating these videos are and how interesting.
00:07:59.000 And I think it's really cool that something that's educational and something that people can learn from.
00:08:05.000 You're getting incredibly popular because of this.
00:08:07.000 Isn't that amazing?
00:08:08.000 It's crazy.
00:08:09.000 Four million people wanted to learn about how the Earth spun and what would happen if it didn't.
00:08:12.000 It's not going to stop spinning.
00:08:14.000 But the physics behind...
00:08:17.000 What if the Earth stops spinning are fascinating?
00:08:19.000 And it makes you think about the world and sort of appreciate the things you don't even think about way more.
00:08:23.000 Yeah, the physics of the spinning Earth, it's very bizarre when you stop to think that the idea, all planets are constantly spinning in this weird way around a giant sun and these outer planets and They're all spinning.
00:08:39.000 That's something that you don't think about on a day-to-day basis.
00:08:42.000 You just walk around and go to the mall and drive in your car.
00:08:47.000 You don't think about it.
00:08:47.000 You're on a thousand miles an hour in a circle at all times.
00:08:50.000 And then on top of that, the sun is revolving around the center of the galaxy even faster.
00:08:55.000 And our galaxy is going around the center of a supercluster even faster.
00:08:59.000 In fact, I think...
00:09:01.000 In the year...
00:09:02.000 Oh, man.
00:09:03.000 Either in the year 1600 or 600, I don't remember, Earth was a light year away from where it is now relative to the center of the galaxy.
00:09:11.000 Holy shit.
00:09:11.000 It's traveled a light year.
00:09:13.000 That's a long spot.
00:09:14.000 In that amount of time.
00:09:15.000 It's either...
00:09:16.000 I think it's 1400 years.
00:09:18.000 That's how long it takes the Earth to travel a light year just by spinning around with the sun.
00:09:23.000 Where are we going?
00:09:24.000 Around...
00:09:26.000 Yeah.
00:09:27.000 In hundreds and hundreds of millions of years, we'll be back.
00:09:30.000 We'll be back in the same spot?
00:09:33.000 Relative to the center of the galaxy.
00:09:36.000 But the galaxy will have moved.
00:09:37.000 Right.
00:09:38.000 There is no absolute reference frame, so...
00:09:40.000 The universe is expanding.
00:09:42.000 Yeah.
00:09:43.000 Yeah.
00:09:44.000 The other thing is, there's maybe more than one universe.
00:09:48.000 Yeah, that could explain some of the, you know, things we still don't know yet.
00:09:54.000 There could be parallel universes where every other version of things happen, and that would explain things like why we happen to see the universe that we see now.
00:10:04.000 Why this one?
00:10:06.000 Um...
00:10:08.000 Yeah.
00:10:09.000 Yeah.
00:10:10.000 It's almost kind of stoner talk because it's one of those things like, man, try to wrap your head around that, man.
00:10:17.000 But it is a fascinating concept that we are in this essentially infinite universe.
00:10:24.000 I mean, they've tried to put dimensions on the universe itself.
00:10:28.000 Like, there's an actual beginning and end to the universe itself.
00:10:32.000 But the infinity comes from the concept that inside every black hole...
00:10:36.000 Is potentially another universe.
00:10:38.000 That every galaxy has a supermassive black hole that's one half of one percent of the mass of the entire galaxy and that inside that black hole it's very possible That there's a whole other universe with hundreds of billions of galaxies, each with black holes inside of them, each with new universes inside of them,
00:10:55.000 and that this fractal thing goes on and on and on and on and there's literally no end.
00:11:01.000 Yeah, and I don't know about black holes, but the universe itself, we give it a dimension, we give it like a circumference or a diameter, but that's just the observable universe.
00:11:10.000 We don't really know what's beyond what we can see.
00:11:14.000 And it could go on infinitely.
00:11:16.000 It could also wrap back on itself and be sort of infinite in one sense, but actually, you know, if you go far enough out, you curve around like an ant on a globe.
00:11:25.000 That ant can just keep walking forward forever.
00:11:28.000 He'll eventually return to where he came from, but he's never going to, like, reach a wall, an edge.
00:11:32.000 We think that's how our universe works.
00:11:35.000 Is it wrapping back around itself?
00:11:38.000 Well...
00:11:39.000 Probably not.
00:11:40.000 We've been able to look really far away and we don't see any evidence of things converging as if it's...
00:11:46.000 Curving.
00:11:47.000 Yeah, like we're 3D creatures on this 4D shape that wraps back around on itself.
00:11:54.000 Yeah, the idea of the universe having a finite amount of distance, it's confusing as hell because then what's outside of the universe?
00:12:03.000 Well, nothing.
00:12:04.000 Nothing.
00:12:05.000 So if it's finite, then, like, what's it sitting in?
00:12:10.000 Right, exactly.
00:12:11.000 It's hard to wrap your head around, and it does sound like stoner talk, but it's also...
00:12:16.000 Cosmology talk.
00:12:17.000 I mean, it's like real science.
00:12:19.000 Well, real science is stoner talk.
00:12:21.000 If you really get down to it.
00:12:22.000 Yeah, if you ask enough questions, it gets down to, dude, you're blowing my mind.
00:12:26.000 It's like, no, that really is just the way this pen stays on the table is incredible.
00:12:31.000 Yeah, the earth is spinning and the mass of the earth is pulling everything down towards it.
00:12:36.000 And the more mass it has, the heavier it'll be and the more it'll stick.
00:12:39.000 I'm like, what?
00:12:40.000 What?
00:12:42.000 Yeah.
00:12:43.000 The subatomic level.
00:12:44.000 Then things become magic.
00:12:46.000 Yeah, and it's so sad that we're never going to see an atom.
00:12:49.000 They're too small.
00:12:51.000 They're smaller than the wavelengths needed for us to see them.
00:12:55.000 So we're never going to just be able to look at one.
00:12:59.000 I don't think it makes any sense to ask what color an atom is.
00:13:02.000 They're beyond color.
00:13:03.000 They're just too small for it.
00:13:04.000 Too small for color?
00:13:06.000 Yeah.
00:13:06.000 Is it too small for our perceptions of what color is?
00:13:10.000 No, no.
00:13:10.000 Or is it just they really are too small to trap light?
00:13:12.000 The way color works doesn't apply to atoms individually.
00:13:15.000 So even if we built a super cool machine that tried to be better than our eyes, there's no color to see.
00:13:22.000 Acting together, atoms can have a color, obviously.
00:13:25.000 Would it be clear?
00:13:29.000 If there's no color, how would you observe it?
00:13:32.000 Like, what would you see?
00:13:33.000 Would you see, like, Wonder Woman's plane?
00:13:36.000 Remember Wonder Woman's plane was invisible?
00:13:38.000 It was invisible, yeah, yeah.
00:13:39.000 It had a lot of windows.
00:13:41.000 It just didn't make any sense.
00:13:42.000 Like, who the fuck is she flying around with?
00:13:44.000 Wonder Woman didn't have just, like, a fighter jet.
00:13:46.000 It looked really corny, yeah.
00:13:48.000 She was like an economy.
00:13:51.000 No, but that's the thing.
00:13:54.000 There's no answer.
00:13:56.000 We don't know.
00:13:57.000 Not that we don't know.
00:13:58.000 We just know that...
00:13:59.000 That doesn't apply.
00:14:00.000 And if that's the case, okay, if we can't see atoms, how do we know so much about subatomic particles?
00:14:08.000 Like, what are we seeing when we're observing the really spooky stuff?
00:14:11.000 Right, right.
00:14:12.000 We're not seeing them like I see you.
00:14:14.000 We're seeing their effects.
00:14:15.000 For instance, in a cloud chamber, we can see individual particles because they interact with gas in the chamber and cause trails, and we can follow the trail and photograph it and study it and say, wow, look how it moved.
00:14:28.000 Because of its spin or because of its, you know, the mass that we were able to detect, it was probably an electron or whatever, right?
00:14:35.000 But we can't look at it and say, oh, dude, that was the same electron that I saw yesterday, you know?
00:14:41.000 But if that's the case, how do they understand?
00:14:43.000 When they're measuring things like particles in superposition, which means a particle that is moving and still at the same time, like how are they doing that?
00:14:53.000 Look, this is beyond my purview, clearly.
00:14:55.000 It's something that I'd love to learn more about, but I think that it's not so much that we see both.
00:14:59.000 We're just like, the only way to explain the way it behaves is that it was doing both before we made the measurement.
00:15:04.000 Do you think that they'll one day have more accurate measuring, and they're like, oh my god, we're so wrong.
00:15:10.000 That's possible, yeah.
00:15:11.000 It's more than one thing.
00:15:12.000 Yeah, there's a famous quote about science being a graveyard of dead ideas, right?
00:15:17.000 Things where we're like, oh, obviously the Earth is the center.
00:15:19.000 It seems that way.
00:15:20.000 And then someone goes, actually...
00:15:23.000 That does create a problem, doesn't it, with educators?
00:15:26.000 Because if someone's been basing their entire life and their career writing books, teaching a certain principle that turns out to be completely and totally incorrect at one point in time...
00:15:36.000 When new understanding come about, that runs into human areas, ego and weirdness when it comes to what people are willing to accept and not willing to accept.
00:15:49.000 Well, sure, but the point is not the facts.
00:15:53.000 It's the...
00:15:54.000 Procedure, the scientific method, you know, thinking scientifically and always basing these, you know, theories on things that we can experimentally test, right?
00:16:06.000 That's what matters.
00:16:07.000 And if you can devise better and better tests, you can learn more and more and be more and more sure of theories.
00:16:12.000 But you should always be more excited about conquering ignorance than just like holding on to the fact that you...
00:16:20.000 Yeah, most certainly.
00:16:21.000 You certainly should be.
00:16:23.000 But it's got to be a real pain in the ass if you've spent your entire career teaching something, writing books on something, and it turns out to be incorrect.
00:16:32.000 But that sort of comes with the territory, right?
00:16:35.000 I know.
00:16:35.000 Actually, I really want to do an episode at some point on crazy things that people believe that you would consider super smart.
00:16:41.000 Like D.H. Lawrence, the author, he totally believed that the moon created light and refused to be convinced otherwise.
00:16:50.000 Right?
00:16:51.000 Not because he was insane, but because it was just like, pfft, we hadn't advanced science enough, right?
00:16:57.000 His science education was not great enough for him to go, oh, it's reflecting from the sun, right?
00:17:03.000 I'm sure there's all kinds of things like that, like William Shakespeare.
00:17:06.000 What did he know?
00:17:07.000 He didn't know anything about black holes, right?
00:17:09.000 He knew less about black holes than the dumbest person listening to this show right now.
00:17:14.000 Yeah, right?
00:17:15.000 No kidding.
00:17:16.000 Yeah, it's really bizarre when you think about the fact that people had, not only did they have just a rudimentary understanding of the Earth and its position in the stars and the universe, but with that rudimentary information,
00:17:31.000 they were able to circumnavigate the globe.
00:17:34.000 Yeah.
00:17:35.000 They were able to use those sextants and look at the stars and measure distances and figure out where they were based on constellations and go on the ocean in a fucking wooden floaty thing and just use the wind to take them around a different...
00:17:52.000 Dirt patches.
00:17:53.000 For years.
00:17:53.000 Yeah.
00:17:54.000 Hundreds and thousands of years.
00:17:55.000 Can you imagine landing on a place where no one had been before?
00:17:58.000 And you're just like, well, I hope we packed enough food.
00:18:01.000 Do you ever listen to Radiolab?
00:18:03.000 Oh, yeah.
00:18:04.000 It's a great, great podcast.
00:18:06.000 It's amazing.
00:18:07.000 They have an amazing piece on the Galapagos Island recently.
00:18:10.000 And it's where Darwin sort of landed and partially...
00:18:16.000 Where he formed his theories about evolution and because it's such a just incredibly rich with diversity and different kinds of life.
00:18:24.000 But what they were talking about that's really amazing in this is how little we understand about life and life's changes and they're seeing life changes right now.
00:18:36.000 They're seeing like the evolution of this new finch.
00:18:40.000 There's some new bird is forming because there's a larger finch that's dying off and We're good to go.
00:19:00.000 In the greater spectrum of life on Earth, it's nothing.
00:19:03.000 It's nothing.
00:19:04.000 I was thinking the other day about recorded audio and how briefly Earth and humanity have been able to record audio.
00:19:12.000 And that brings up questions like, what did George Washington sound like?
00:19:16.000 Yeah.
00:19:16.000 Right?
00:19:16.000 Did he have a British accent?
00:19:18.000 They say that British accents actually didn't evolve until much later.
00:19:24.000 And that the people that were in England, in fact, had a different accent in like the 1600s than they have today.
00:19:32.000 Yeah.
00:19:32.000 That's true.
00:19:33.000 And I think, you know, you find the right experts.
00:19:35.000 They can perform for you these different accents.
00:19:40.000 Not by...
00:19:42.000 I don't know.
00:20:02.000 What's really trippy is when they go to dead languages.
00:20:05.000 Yeah.
00:20:05.000 And they try to recreate the sound of like ancient Sumerian.
00:20:09.000 Oh, wow.
00:20:10.000 Yeah, I hadn't thought of that.
00:20:11.000 Yeah, they're trying to figure out what it would sound like to hear like Gilgamesh talk.
00:20:16.000 Right.
00:20:17.000 You know, they have this sort of...
00:20:20.000 Bizarre understanding.
00:20:21.000 I don't really get it.
00:20:23.000 I don't know how they could pull that out since nobody speaks it anymore.
00:20:26.000 I don't know how they ever figured it out anyway.
00:20:28.000 Have you ever looked at cuneiform, how they used to write back then?
00:20:30.000 It's like a bunch of nails, like nails upwards, like old-school nails.
00:20:36.000 I used to do construction when I lived in Boston.
00:20:39.000 A lot of the buildings you would come across were really, really old.
00:20:42.000 They were from the 1800s, and the nails that they had back then were essentially handmade nails.
00:20:47.000 They weren't the nails that we see today with the circular top and the smooth cylinder below it, the smooth spike below it.
00:20:55.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:20:55.000 They were like, you know, kind of like...
00:20:57.000 Wedges almost.
00:20:58.000 Yeah, wedges.
00:20:58.000 And they were like crude and weird looking.
00:21:01.000 That's what cuneiform looks like.
00:21:02.000 Right.
00:21:03.000 A bunch of crude little wedges up and down and sideways and...
00:21:07.000 They figured out what that means, what they were saying, essentially, with debate, of course.
00:21:14.000 But they also are figuring out what it sounded like when they were talking.
00:21:19.000 That's weird.
00:21:20.000 I get the translation thing.
00:21:23.000 The Rosetta Stone, for instance, really helped us go, oh, thank goodness they wrote the same thing in three different languages.
00:21:29.000 And we know one of them or two of them.
00:21:31.000 I don't know.
00:21:33.000 I have a lot of respect for people that can do that.
00:21:36.000 Oh, yeah.
00:21:37.000 Well, also, it's got to be maddening.
00:21:40.000 There's a National Geographic special called Decoding the Maya.
00:21:47.000 It's all about Mayan language and how difficult that is.
00:21:51.000 Another dead language, essentially.
00:21:54.000 But a dead language that's in hieroglyphic form, so images that mean sounds, you know?
00:22:02.000 So, like, McKenna described it best, like, you would have, like, an eyeball, a saw, like, that cuts wood, you'd have an ant, like the bug, and a flower, like the rose, and that's how you would say, I saw ant rose.
00:22:19.000 Okay.
00:22:20.000 Yeah.
00:22:20.000 That's clever.
00:22:21.000 Yeah, but that's, you know, that's how their language evolved.
00:22:25.000 Like, our idea of, I mean, that would be ridiculous.
00:22:29.000 Like, what the fuck?
00:22:30.000 Don't you have letters?
00:22:31.000 Like, can't you say Steve?
00:22:33.000 Where's Bob and Mike?
00:22:34.000 But in their culture, you know, that's what started, and that's where it evolved, and it grew out of that.
00:22:42.000 And is that going to happen to English someday?
00:22:44.000 Yeah.
00:22:44.000 I don't know what's going to happen to English someday, but I, you know, me and my friends were sitting around the other day and we were talking about the idea of everything being on hard drives.
00:22:52.000 Yeah.
00:22:53.000 And how bizarre that is that if anything happened and for whatever reason, you know, a good percentage of the population died and everybody that was left was computer illiterate, how long would it take before we lost everything that anybody ever figured out?
00:23:10.000 I mean, there wouldn't be much left.
00:23:12.000 Unless, somehow or another, genetically, that information is stored, or the revelations are somehow or another, if there's a large enough segment of the population, but if not, that shit's gone.
00:23:25.000 We have to leave instructions, like, here's how to play this Blu-ray.
00:23:29.000 Yeah.
00:23:29.000 It contains information and history of Earth.
00:23:32.000 Well, that's a thought that people like Graham Hancock have when they stumble across these, you know, gigantic monoliths that nobody can explain, like Baalbek and Lebanon and...
00:23:42.000 Of course, the pyramids in Egypt and all these just bizarre, massive stone constructions that we're not exactly sure how they put together.
00:23:51.000 I mean, still to this day, they look at the Great Pyramid and they just go, well, maybe we think that they kind of, maybe they, I don't know.
00:24:00.000 And they were made so long ago.
00:24:02.000 They're not like ancient Roman style oldness.
00:24:06.000 It's way older than that.
00:24:07.000 I did a video on putting history in perspective, and I mentioned that the ancient Egyptian pyramids were as old to the ancient Romans as the ancient Romans are to us.
00:24:20.000 There were woolly mammoths still alive when the pyramids were built in Egypt.
00:24:27.000 Was that true?
00:24:28.000 That's true, yeah.
00:24:29.000 On Wrangell Island, yeah.
00:24:30.000 Well, I thought woolly mammoths died out 10,000 years ago.
00:24:34.000 I don't know when they died out or how we know.
00:24:37.000 They died out of the Pleistocene, right?
00:24:39.000 Didn't they?
00:24:40.000 I think woolly mammoths were part of the Great Extinction event that they think is connected to asteroidal impacts.
00:24:46.000 At least some people do.
00:24:47.000 That's one of the theories.
00:24:49.000 Interesting.
00:24:49.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:24:50.000 All I know is that there were contemporaries, the pyramids and woolly mammoths.
00:24:53.000 And I can't tell you the exact date.
00:24:55.000 That these all happened.
00:24:58.000 That's amazing.
00:24:59.000 You know what's even more trippy is these new discoveries like this Gobekli Tepe thing that they're finding 12,000 plus years ago that they thought people back then were just hunter and gatherers and they're finding these gigantic carved stone columns with 3D images of animals that are carved into it.
00:25:17.000 Meaning like you have a large stone and you cut the stone down but leave enough of a piece of stone that you could carve in a lizard.
00:25:24.000 Wow.
00:25:25.000 So it's super complicated work.
00:25:26.000 And that a lot of these lizards and animals aren't even native to the continent in which Turkey is, you know, we don't really think that these animals existed in the spot where this was going on, at least the current knowledges, that we don't think they existed there.
00:25:52.000 Wow.
00:25:53.000 Wow.
00:26:03.000 Older to the ancient Egyptians than the ancient Egyptians are to us.
00:26:08.000 Wow.
00:26:09.000 Yeah, by almost seven years, 7,000 years, because they're 12,000.
00:26:16.000 So the ancient Egyptians, that's 2,500 BC, they think they built the pyramids.
00:26:21.000 So these guys are 12,000 plus.
00:26:24.000 That's incredible.
00:26:25.000 Yeah, it's not just incredible, but they don't even know really how old it is.
00:26:28.000 They just know 12,000 years ago someone intentionally covered it up.
00:26:33.000 They've done carbon dating on the soil, and the soil is uniform.
00:26:38.000 The date of the soil is uniform, which indicates to them, I think this is how they do it, that someone intentionally covered up this area.
00:26:46.000 Maybe someone conquered these fucking freaks that were building these awesome things.
00:26:51.000 These guys are assholes.
00:26:52.000 We need to go back to tents and cover all this crazy shit up.
00:26:55.000 So they filled it all in.
00:26:57.000 12,000 years ago.
00:26:59.000 12,000.
00:27:00.000 But humans have been around hundreds of thousands, a million.
00:27:03.000 I mean, yeah, it's like, I'll never meet those people.
00:27:07.000 Yeah.
00:27:08.000 Well, and it's also just that number.
00:27:12.000 It's like just saying a thousand years.
00:27:14.000 It's like you try to put that in your head.
00:27:17.000 You're like, okay.
00:27:19.000 But if you could see a thousand years in a time lapse, if you could see it run through a time lapse and then see like seven of those in a row and then see like Gobekli Tepe, which is seven twice, you know, and just like just run through how much change must have taken place on this planet.
00:27:37.000 And just with this one bizarre life form that alters its environment.
00:27:41.000 Right.
00:27:42.000 The only one.
00:27:43.000 In such a grand scale.
00:27:46.000 Yeah, it's crazy.
00:27:47.000 Trying to decipher that.
00:27:48.000 Those people, like archaeologists trying to piece the past together, that has got to be one of the most fascinating jobs ever.
00:27:56.000 Yeah, I was reading about some of the oldest stuff we found is all about burial and death.
00:28:02.000 But we haven't found so many just like homes.
00:28:04.000 Like people's day-to-day lives weren't made to be nearly as permanent.
00:28:09.000 Death was so much more important than where you spent your entire life.
00:28:14.000 Yeah, especially when they didn't...
00:28:15.000 I mean, not that we understand what happens when people die today.
00:28:18.000 We just know they definitely die.
00:28:20.000 But we, you know, we don't...
00:28:21.000 We're still...
00:28:22.000 It's a lot of guesswork about what the process is of shutting off the soul.
00:28:26.000 If there is a soul, whatever that life spark is, the consciousness, where it goes.
00:28:31.000 Does it go to the same place it goes when you're dreaming?
00:28:33.000 You know, like, what exactly happens?
00:28:35.000 But back then, 50% mortality rate for children, if you were lucky.
00:28:40.000 You know, everybody's getting eaten by animals and, like...
00:28:43.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:28:44.000 I think I was reading in Jared Diamond's book.
00:28:48.000 That Germs and Steel?
00:28:49.000 Guns, Germs and Steel?
00:28:50.000 No, his newer one.
00:28:51.000 He was talking, or wait, was that right?
00:28:54.000 Shoot.
00:28:55.000 I think so, yeah.
00:28:57.000 Anyway, he was talking about how there are tribes that don't believe you're actually human until you're much older than a baby.
00:29:04.000 Like babies are just kind of like almost have souls, but not yet.
00:29:08.000 So if a baby dies, it's like, wow, it hasn't been initiated yet.
00:29:12.000 Or if you have too many kids, you can just kill them because they're, they're, they're just like, not like meerkats do.
00:29:20.000 Yeah, maybe.
00:29:21.000 Right, right.
00:29:22.000 You just sit there and you go, wow, there's a lot of diversity of, of everything on earth, life and ideas.
00:29:28.000 Well, certainly, yeah.
00:29:29.000 We're big copycats.
00:29:31.000 You know, we sort of imitate whatever the hell's going on around us.
00:29:35.000 If we have this idea that babies aren't alive yet.
00:29:38.000 Well, look at the horrible things that people are able to justify doing to others just because those others are, you know, thought to be an enemy or a subhuman because they're the enemy.
00:29:49.000 Yeah.
00:29:51.000 We're bizarre.
00:29:53.000 When you really stop and think about what these bizarre behavior patterns people have and what they create.
00:30:03.000 They create these cultures that vary wildly.
00:30:08.000 All human beings, all on this planet, but...
00:30:11.000 You know, look at the difference between Palestine and Chicago.
00:30:14.000 Look at the difference between, you know, fill in the blank, Liberia and San Francisco.
00:30:19.000 Look at the difference between London and, you know, Mongolia.
00:30:22.000 It's very strange how much things are different and how much they change.
00:30:27.000 But yet, everyone's just a person.
00:30:30.000 Everyone can interbreed.
00:30:31.000 Everyone can exchange ideas.
00:30:33.000 And once you take someone from that culture...
00:30:35.000 And bring them into yours.
00:30:36.000 They adopt those ideas.
00:30:37.000 If you took a baby from Nigeria, brought him into, you know, whatever, Atlanta, and raised him there, talk to him 20 years later, he's going to have an Atlanta accent.
00:30:48.000 He's probably going to be into, you know, all the things that young kids are into and video games that young kids are into.
00:30:56.000 I mean, he will look essentially entirely like an American kid.
00:31:01.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:31:02.000 But humans aren't nearly as diverse as, like, dogs, right?
00:31:05.000 Dogs can come in a huge variety of sizes and shapes and colors, and they can all interbreed.
00:31:12.000 It's all the same species.
00:31:14.000 But humans are pretty much all, you know, we fall within this general distribution.
00:31:19.000 Is that true, though?
00:31:20.000 I don't know.
00:31:21.000 Is it?
00:31:21.000 See, I want to make it clear that I have way more questions than answers, right?
00:31:24.000 I ask the questions and then try to find answers.
00:31:27.000 I don't know.
00:31:28.000 I could be wrong.
00:31:29.000 It could be like, well, Michael, you know, we all just think humans are all pretty similar because we know them so well, or we are them.
00:31:35.000 Well, a female dwarf, a white female dwarf, and Shaquille O'Neal could have a baby.
00:31:41.000 How is that any different than a Chihuahua and a Great Gain?
00:31:44.000 Is that the same difference?
00:31:46.000 It's kind of similar in a lot of ways.
00:31:48.000 They're so different looking.
00:31:50.000 Shaquille O'Neal and a female dwarf.
00:31:53.000 Yeah.
00:31:53.000 I mean, assuming that the parts could fit, I mean, that's about as far...
00:31:59.000 I mean, if you saw those two things, and you'd be like, oh, those are totally different things.
00:32:03.000 Do you think you would?
00:32:04.000 I think so.
00:32:05.000 Totally different animals?
00:32:06.000 Yeah.
00:32:07.000 Different species?
00:32:08.000 Here's a perfect example.
00:32:09.000 An eagle can't fuck a pigeon and have a baby.
00:32:13.000 You know what I'm saying?
00:32:14.000 Right.
00:32:15.000 So Shaquille O'Neal and a female dwarf is a lot like an eagle and a pigeon.
00:32:21.000 Uh-huh.
00:32:23.000 I think we're going to have to do some experiments.
00:32:25.000 With eagles and pigeons, I hope.
00:32:27.000 Oh, okay, yeah, that's what I meant.
00:32:28.000 I meant the eagle.
00:32:29.000 That's exactly what I meant.
00:32:31.000 Well, you know, that's the argument that the ancient alien guys used to point to the fact that human beings are genetically engineered because dogs were essentially genetically engineered.
00:32:40.000 By humans, yeah, yeah.
00:32:41.000 So their idea is that this is the proof that humans have been engineered and that there's many versions of us and that, you know, there's been a bunch of different models that were created.
00:32:52.000 And that's why we vary so wildly as opposed to every other animal that can breed because...
00:32:59.000 Hybrids in other species are usually sterile.
00:33:03.000 But hybrids with human beings, like if you took Shaquille O'Neal and a white dwarf, you would assume that's a hybrid.
00:33:10.000 But they're not.
00:33:12.000 They're not.
00:33:12.000 It's the same race.
00:33:14.000 They're totally compatible as far as the way you can breed with them.
00:33:19.000 Right.
00:33:19.000 Right.
00:33:21.000 I am being distracted by how much I have to urinate.
00:33:26.000 Oh, go!
00:33:26.000 The other day I was thinking about...
00:33:28.000 This podcast just started, man!
00:33:30.000 I know, but I was not prepared.
00:33:32.000 You drank a lot of water?
00:33:33.000 I drank a whole one of these.
00:33:34.000 It's good.
00:33:34.000 Stay hydrated.
00:33:35.000 Yeah.
00:33:35.000 Stay healthy.
00:33:36.000 And I had a bunch of coffee this morning, too.
00:33:38.000 But I was thinking yesterday, this is related, how much would you weigh if you never went to the bathroom?
00:33:45.000 You'd be dead.
00:33:46.000 How quickly?
00:33:47.000 It wouldn't take long.
00:34:01.000 Like, if your body was so efficient that you no longer needed to urinate, like, we kind of assumed that your body would need to urinate, but why?
00:34:09.000 If your body needs water to stay alive, like, why are we assuming that it has to process this water?
00:34:14.000 Well, it has to get rid of some waste that it doesn't want anymore.
00:34:17.000 Well, why?
00:34:17.000 Could we just turn that into more hair instead?
00:34:20.000 But why does it have to get rid of waste?
00:34:23.000 Like, isn't it possible that we can become so efficient that we no longer need to get rid of waste?
00:34:28.000 And we can just sort of exist by breathing air.
00:34:31.000 Right.
00:34:31.000 Completely just like self-running.
00:34:34.000 Yeah, we eat to get to a certain size.
00:34:37.000 And once we get to a certain size, we just, you know, whatever you evaporate off by walking around like that, you have to take back in, I guess.
00:34:46.000 You know, yeah, because they have robots that just dissipate heat.
00:34:51.000 They don't ever make a waste product.
00:34:52.000 Your laptop doesn't create as much waste as a human.
00:34:56.000 But it's also not nearly as like...
00:34:58.000 Right.
00:34:59.000 But in some ways it's more complex.
00:35:01.000 They've been able to make machines that can poop.
00:35:05.000 You put food in, and then it's got bacteria and different pumps and reservoirs inside, and it creates something that resembles completely and smells just like a human dump.
00:35:16.000 Whoa!
00:35:16.000 Yeah.
00:35:17.000 The first one I saw was done as a piece of art, as artwork.
00:35:21.000 Like an artist created this machine that could poop just like a human.
00:35:26.000 Now they do it, they call it a robo-gut.
00:35:28.000 It's actually a medical thing because when people have GI problems, a poop transplant is commonly used to reintroduce the healthy bacteria.
00:35:36.000 And taking poop from someone else and giving it to the sick person and shoving it up there is kind of like, you know, there's a lot of possibilities for rejection, infection, stuff like that, I guess.
00:35:45.000 But the robo-gut can make just perfectly clean poop, just with the kind that you want.
00:35:50.000 Whoa.
00:35:50.000 Yeah.
00:35:51.000 You get some artificial poop put up inside of you to fix any imbalances that you have in your gut flora.
00:35:57.000 That's fascinating.
00:35:59.000 Isn't that crazy?
00:35:59.000 So you can have like a poop farm of robot intestines.
00:36:02.000 Right.
00:36:02.000 And what do you feed them?
00:36:04.000 Yeah.
00:36:05.000 Do you have to like do burger runs for the robo guts?
00:36:08.000 No.
00:36:08.000 It's got to be totally organic.
00:36:09.000 It's got to be totally organic.
00:36:11.000 It's probably just like a paste or a liquid.
00:36:15.000 It's like baby food.
00:36:16.000 It wouldn't have to taste good.
00:36:17.000 The robot's not going to complain.
00:36:18.000 Yeah, fuck that robot.
00:36:19.000 Just eat it, bitch.
00:36:20.000 Yeah.
00:36:22.000 Yeah.
00:36:22.000 Okay, so this is making...
00:36:24.000 Go to the bathroom.
00:36:25.000 Go urinating.
00:36:26.000 I'll be right back.
00:36:26.000 There's a million subjects, so don't worry about it.
00:36:29.000 You come back, we'll have many, many things to talk about.
00:36:31.000 And congratulations, you won the award for the quickest guy to pee.
00:36:36.000 Almost everybody...
00:36:37.000 Yeah, it's right there on the right-hand side.
00:36:39.000 Almost everybody has a point in time where they go...
00:36:44.000 How long does this podcast go?
00:36:46.000 You see that look on their face, like, I think I have to pee...
00:36:51.000 But this dude, he made, Michael made it to 50 minutes.
00:36:55.000 That's not a lot of time.
00:36:57.000 But hey, you gotta do what you gotta do.
00:36:59.000 I understand.
00:37:00.000 The Shaq.
00:37:01.000 Yeah.
00:37:01.000 Is that his girlfriend?
00:37:03.000 Maybe ex-girlfriend.
00:37:04.000 Oh my god.
00:37:05.000 That's hilarious.
00:37:06.000 She's like five feet tall, I think.
00:37:08.000 Is that his wife?
00:37:08.000 I think that's his ex-wife, actually.
00:37:10.000 Which is incredible.
00:37:12.000 That he was seven foot what?
00:37:15.000 How tall was he?
00:37:15.000 Seven one.
00:37:16.000 Seven one?
00:37:17.000 Fifty, easily.
00:37:18.000 Dude, I did Fear Factor with him.
00:37:19.000 And I stand about penis high with him.
00:37:23.000 And when we were doing it, it was like I was with my dad.
00:37:26.000 It was like I was with my giant black dad.
00:37:29.000 And he was standing next to me.
00:37:31.000 He did the countdown.
00:37:32.000 Three, two, one, go!
00:37:36.000 Joe, it's fear effective for you.
00:37:37.000 Yeah, it's fear effective for you.
00:37:40.000 Yeah.
00:37:41.000 That's a big dude.
00:37:43.000 This guy, Michael Stevens, if you have never heard of him and are interested in this conversation...
00:37:50.000 His YouTube page is fucking amazing.
00:37:53.000 It's really cool.
00:37:54.000 And it's called TweetSauce, or Vsauce rather.
00:37:57.000 TweetSauce is his Twitter page.
00:38:00.000 And he's back.
00:38:01.000 I'm back.
00:38:02.000 I'm thinking he's going to have to pee one more time before we're done.
00:38:05.000 Do you think so?
00:38:05.000 I think I'm going to be fine.
00:38:06.000 Basically, when I heard that you couldn't just cut it out, like my pee break, I got really nervous and I all of a sudden had to pee...
00:38:15.000 And to be fair, it was a very voluminous urination.
00:38:17.000 It wasn't a nervous one.
00:38:19.000 It was a real one.
00:38:20.000 You might be the first guy I've ever heard use voluminous when it comes to urination.
00:38:25.000 Oh, I use it all the time.
00:38:26.000 Voluminous?
00:38:27.000 No.
00:38:28.000 I do get concerned.
00:38:29.000 I'm like, am I peeing enough?
00:38:30.000 Because I've peed next to other guys.
00:38:33.000 No.
00:38:34.000 In different urinals, right?
00:38:36.000 And I can tell that they're going a lot longer than me.
00:38:40.000 And the sound that it's making is just so much...
00:38:42.000 The flow is so strong, and it must contain so many gallons of...
00:38:46.000 And I'm like, do you just hold it longer?
00:38:48.000 Is your bladder bigger than mine?
00:38:50.000 I'm very insecure about how much I pee.
00:38:53.000 I feel like it's not impressive.
00:38:54.000 Well, it depends on where you are.
00:38:56.000 If you're at a bar, those guys are probably drinking beer.
00:38:58.000 And if you're drinking beer, you're going to pee massive quantities and it's coming out hard.
00:39:03.000 And you're probably having a conversation with somebody and you're holding it in for a while.
00:39:07.000 And then when you do let it go, it's like...
00:39:09.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:39:10.000 Waterfalls.
00:39:11.000 That could be it.
00:39:12.000 While I was peeing, I did think of something that kind of wraps up the...
00:39:16.000 I think?
00:39:39.000 And I think they thought they were gods until two things happened.
00:39:43.000 One, the tribe realized that the Europeans pooped and it smelled just like theirs.
00:39:48.000 And secondly, they could have sex.
00:39:51.000 Those two things solidified the fact that they were all humans together.
00:39:56.000 Wow.
00:39:56.000 Yeah.
00:39:57.000 They had different types of weapons.
00:39:59.000 They had a different way of speaking and dressing.
00:40:01.000 But there were things about them, those two things, that really made both sides realize we are...
00:40:07.000 The same animal.
00:40:09.000 Wow.
00:40:10.000 Yeah, can you imagine being someone who lives in some sort of a tribal environment in the middle of the Amazon and all of a sudden a plane lands, you know, on the water and people come out and you're like, what the fuck is this?
00:40:22.000 No one's ever seen another person, especially a white person.
00:40:25.000 That has got to be akin to an alien invasion.
00:40:28.000 Oh, it is.
00:40:29.000 It is.
00:40:29.000 And it's akin to being visited by a god as well.
00:40:33.000 So look up the cargo cults.
00:40:36.000 I don't remember what part of the world they live in, but I think during a war, airplanes were coming in and out.
00:40:43.000 And these tribal people didn't know what they were.
00:40:45.000 We still don't exactly know what they're thinking or what they were, but the plane stopped after a while.
00:40:51.000 The war was over.
00:40:52.000 And to this day, they have recreated.
00:40:54.000 I'm serious.
00:40:55.000 They've recreated using materials that they find around where they live, a runway, and all the things that they associate with.
00:41:02.000 They built a little airplane out of wood, trying to get it to come back.
00:41:06.000 Yeah, von Daniken used that as an argument in Chariots of the Gods to explain that this is one of the reasons why these depictions of what could be interpreted as flying saucers and all these different things in modern art,
00:41:23.000 that's what it is.
00:41:25.000 It's like the long lost information passed down generation to generation of at one point in time we were visited.
00:41:33.000 By something from somewhere else.
00:41:34.000 And it sounds...
00:41:35.000 That's one of those subjects where as soon as you open up the possibility of that, you say, like, well, maybe we were visited, but you're like, oh, fucking Christ, he's one of those guys.
00:41:44.000 Like, it's an immediate reaction.
00:41:46.000 I have it.
00:41:47.000 It's like when someone starts talking to me about...
00:41:50.000 The possibility of humans being visited, extraterrestrials coming here, manipulating our DNA. Okay, dude.
00:41:56.000 All right.
00:41:57.000 I got you.
00:41:57.000 That's fine, but I would like for them to show me experiments they've devised that'll give us evidence for that.
00:42:03.000 Otherwise, it's not falsifiable, right?
00:42:05.000 I could say, dude, did you know that there's a blue rhinoceros on some planet that's billions of years away?
00:42:10.000 Seriously.
00:42:11.000 Well, there might be.
00:42:14.000 Yeah, there might be.
00:42:15.000 There might be.
00:42:16.000 Aliens might have created the pyramids, right?
00:42:20.000 Probably not, though.
00:42:22.000 Well, I don't think there's anyone credible that thinks that aliens created the pyramids.
00:42:29.000 But what they do think is that they created people and that they did some sort of a genetic manipulation of human beings.
00:42:36.000 And when I say credible, I mean, what does that mean?
00:42:40.000 There's no evidence whatsoever.
00:42:42.000 None.
00:42:43.000 None.
00:42:44.000 I did this show for sci-fi.
00:42:45.000 It would make fun fiction, though.
00:42:47.000 Oh, yeah.
00:42:47.000 It would make an awesome movie.
00:42:48.000 Well, that's that whole base of Prometheus.
00:42:51.000 Yeah.
00:42:51.000 That we were somehow or another engineer.
00:42:53.000 The engineers came down here.
00:42:55.000 And that's, you know, when you talk about Sumerian texts, we were talking about that earlier.
00:42:59.000 That was the whole premise of this guy, Zechariah Sitchensworth.
00:43:04.000 Uh-huh.
00:43:04.000 Have you ever heard of that guy?
00:43:05.000 Yeah.
00:43:05.000 Sounds very familiar.
00:43:07.000 Oh, he's the king of all those people who are into wacky shit.
00:43:11.000 Zachariah Sitchin's the king.
00:43:13.000 Okay.
00:43:13.000 Because he believed that the Sumerian text, if you deciphered it correctly, proves that we were engineered by something called the Anunnaki.
00:43:23.000 And that the Anunnaki, the literal translation of Anunnaki is those from heaven to earth came.
00:43:29.000 Meaning that it was the same as the Elohim from the Bible.
00:43:32.000 Right.
00:43:33.000 That, you know, these beings came from another planet, genetically altered human beings.
00:43:38.000 And he points to these various images that were in the Sumerian text and Sumerian cuneiforms and all these different stone carvings that show what looks like the double helix of DNA. Sure, sure.
00:43:53.000 The caduceus, you know, the two snakes that are wrapped around the pole that we associate with medicine.
00:43:56.000 Yeah.
00:43:57.000 He interprets that as being an image of the double helix DNA. Right.
00:44:03.000 Or, hey, it could be a coincidence, too.
00:44:06.000 It could be.
00:44:07.000 Yeah.
00:44:07.000 But it does look a lot like it, right?
00:44:09.000 You know, the double helix and the two snakes wrapped around a pole.
00:44:12.000 But the weirdness is the pictures of, like, there's one...
00:44:16.000 We're good to go.
00:44:34.000 It's just incredibly intense and bizarre stuff.
00:44:38.000 But what gets me is...
00:44:40.000 Yeah, absolutely ridiculous.
00:44:42.000 Yeah, probably not right.
00:44:43.000 Most people...
00:44:44.000 And there's also a website called Sitchin is Wrong, where other scholars who have studied the cuneiform and studied the Sumerian text completely disagree with his interpretations.
00:44:54.000 But if we could travel to another planet...
00:44:58.000 And we could do it successfully and we've done it, you know, for thousands and thousands of years and this other planet is, you know, way the fuck on the other side of the galaxy and we find some primates.
00:45:10.000 I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility that we would manipulate their DNA. There are actually protocols already in place, not officially adopted by any government, but protocols about what do we do if we discover life?
00:45:22.000 Because we most likely would contaminate it by trying to observe it.
00:45:28.000 I think that there are even people arguing right now that Mars has been contaminated.
00:45:32.000 By the rovers.
00:45:33.000 By the rovers that have gotten there.
00:45:35.000 I mean, we've found, I think, staph bacteria.
00:45:41.000 On the moon that had been like sent to the moon when we visited because we didn't completely sterilize everything.
00:45:49.000 So someone touched, excuse me, someone touched an object, the object went to the moon.
00:45:53.000 Right.
00:45:53.000 Someone observed that staff being on the object living on the moon.
00:45:57.000 Yeah.
00:45:57.000 Wow.
00:45:57.000 It wasn't living on the moon, but it was just, it was transferred there.
00:46:01.000 Yeah.
00:46:02.000 And so that's a huge problem.
00:46:05.000 Yeah.
00:46:06.000 Well, just space junk itself.
00:46:08.000 Just the idea of the rover being on Mars.
00:46:10.000 I mean, if another life form visited Mars, landed there and found the rover, they'd be like, okay, what the fuck is that?
00:46:19.000 Right.
00:46:19.000 And this brings up the whole question of space archaeology or space preservation.
00:46:24.000 So the stuff Neil Armstrong used to get to the moon and walk around, it's all still there.
00:46:31.000 Right?
00:46:32.000 So, if we ever start regularly going to the moon, do we set up a museum there?
00:46:36.000 Do we put fences up around it?
00:46:37.000 Who owns that landing site?
00:46:39.000 Well, you're not even supposed to fly over those sites, right?
00:46:41.000 They made some sort of ruling that any future space flights should not take place over those sites.
00:46:51.000 I didn't hear about that.
00:46:52.000 Yeah.
00:46:53.000 I think they're worried about people fucking it up, you know?
00:46:56.000 I mean, look, if space travel becomes, like, as easy as...
00:47:00.000 At one point in time, getting across the country was a fucking heroic event.
00:47:04.000 Yeah.
00:47:05.000 You know?
00:47:05.000 I mean, when the pilgrims landed and you had a...
00:47:08.000 I was watching this show last night that was all about the wagons that they used to traverse the land to get from the East Coast to the West Coast.
00:47:20.000 Yeah.
00:47:20.000 Amazing stuff.
00:47:22.000 Because, you know when we have leaf springs in certain cars?
00:47:26.000 Uh-huh.
00:47:26.000 They had them that they had made out of leather.
00:47:30.000 Like, they had...
00:47:30.000 They concocted these sort of suspensions.
00:47:34.000 Wow.
00:47:34.000 These adjustable, you know, so they would move a little bit as they went over rocks and stuff.
00:47:39.000 And they had done all this stuff out of leather.
00:47:42.000 And it's just so strange to think that there were people that had put their life and their faith and they had, you know, some goods in the back.
00:47:51.000 They had some food and they were hoping to find things to eat along the way.
00:47:55.000 But it's going to take you fucking forever.
00:47:57.000 Yeah.
00:47:58.000 Now, you get in a plane...
00:48:00.000 And then, oh, I got a LA flight.
00:48:03.000 I got a catch.
00:48:04.000 So, I land at noon.
00:48:06.000 I'll call you.
00:48:07.000 Love you.
00:48:08.000 Mwah.
00:48:08.000 Good night, kids.
00:48:09.000 Mwah.
00:48:09.000 See ya.
00:48:09.000 Yeah, daddy will call you when he lands.
00:48:11.000 What?
00:48:12.000 You just get in a plane?
00:48:13.000 I mean, that...
00:48:15.000 200 years ago, insanely preposterous.
00:48:18.000 So different.
00:48:18.000 The idea is one day, 200 years from now, whatever it is, it'll be that easy to get to the moon.
00:48:24.000 So they're putting these protocols in place like, hey, don't go there and just steal shit.
00:48:29.000 Steal it or, yeah, vandalize it.
00:48:30.000 Take a rover home with you.
00:48:31.000 Right, right.
00:48:33.000 Yeah, Louis C.K. has a great joke about that.
00:48:35.000 It used to be, to go across the United States, it took so many years that people died, people were born, it was a whole different group of people by the time you finally got to your destination.
00:48:45.000 This is the Louis C.K. joke, and now it's just like you get in a plane, and yeah, you're done.
00:48:50.000 And, you know, when Elon Musk finishes these crazy high-speed rails, then it's going to be like an hour.
00:48:57.000 Oh, it's crazy.
00:48:58.000 An hour to get to New York from here.
00:49:00.000 Just...
00:49:02.000 Just taking off on some crazy magnetic rail system.
00:49:06.000 Virgin Galactic as well, right?
00:49:09.000 They'll get into these suborbital, I guess, tracks.
00:49:16.000 And you can go from here to Australia in just a matter of minutes.
00:49:21.000 They orbit in the International Space Station.
00:49:24.000 They orbit around the Earth 17 times a day.
00:49:27.000 God.
00:49:28.000 So, yeah.
00:49:29.000 That's so crazy.
00:49:31.000 They have 17 sunrises and sunsets every 24-hour period.
00:49:34.000 Oh my God, that's amazing.
00:49:37.000 That is amazing.
00:49:38.000 That's booking it.
00:49:39.000 That is so crazy.
00:49:41.000 So, it's a little less than every two hours.
00:49:45.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:49:49.000 All day.
00:49:49.000 That's fast, yeah.
00:49:50.000 Fucking A. And that's just the beginning.
00:49:54.000 A thousand years from now, if we stay alive and don't blow each other up, it'll be even easier to do that.
00:50:00.000 Yeah, and people will say, man, remember back when people used to orbit the Earth only 17 times every 24 hours?
00:50:05.000 This is another, and I don't remember the comedian who told this joke, but he's like, in the future, everything's going to be so fast.
00:50:11.000 It's going to take like two seconds to go everywhere, but the DMV, man, it's going to take nine seconds and we're all going to hate it.
00:50:19.000 That's so true.
00:50:20.000 It is going to be very strange.
00:50:22.000 I think it is very strange now.
00:50:26.000 It used to be, if someone showed up on your border, no matter where you were, it was usually a fucking problem.
00:50:33.000 If a boat pulled up, very rarely were people just super cool and you're not worried about it.
00:50:40.000 But today, there's a thing called tourism.
00:50:44.000 And it's a huge part of life.
00:50:46.000 I mean, a huge part of life in various cultures is people showing up and bringing with them money, and you welcome them.
00:50:56.000 They're part of the economy of the area.
00:50:59.000 It's very strange how just that ability to traverse distances has changed the way human beings interact with each other.
00:51:07.000 And it's also made the idea of countries, nationalities, and your loyalty to those countries and nationalities a little bit more ridiculous every year.
00:51:17.000 A little bit more ridiculous the closer we get to this ability to instantaneously travel from one place to another.
00:51:25.000 We're good to go.
00:51:48.000 These poor people are starving to death, and we won't let them come across this little imaginary line where everything is wonderful and everybody's fat.
00:51:57.000 You know?
00:51:58.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:51:59.000 And people often say like, oh, but dude, when you look down on the earth from outer space, you don't see borders.
00:52:06.000 But you do.
00:52:07.000 The border between India and Pakistan is lit up so brightly, you can see it from space.
00:52:13.000 What is it?
00:52:15.000 Their border, is it like a fence?
00:52:17.000 Is it like the Great Wall of China?
00:52:20.000 Parts of it are just, I think, fenced off, militarized, lit up.
00:52:27.000 I've covered a few other borders that you can see from space in the past.
00:52:31.000 I'm not remembering them at the moment.
00:52:33.000 You can look down from Earth and tell that we don't all get along.
00:52:38.000 My friend Ari that you see behind you right there, or above you, that photo, Ari just got back from doing a tour of China, and took some photos of himself on the Great Wall, and I read that you could see the Great Wall from space.
00:52:52.000 Apparently you can't.
00:52:54.000 But when he was there, we were talking about the Great Wall and he was saying how fucking crazy it was.
00:53:00.000 So then I started looking up the Great Wall and it's 5,000 miles long!
00:53:06.000 It's a great wall.
00:53:08.000 That's not a good wall.
00:53:09.000 Yeah.
00:53:10.000 That really is a great wall.
00:53:12.000 That's a funny joke, by the way.
00:53:13.000 I wonder if there's a wall in China people call the Good Wall of China.
00:53:18.000 It's all right.
00:53:19.000 I mean, it keeps the ceiling up.
00:53:21.000 It's a pretty good wall.
00:53:22.000 The bar has been set so high.
00:53:23.000 The Good Wall would have to be a few thousand miles.
00:53:25.000 The Good Wall would have to be like 2,000 miles.
00:53:28.000 Right, right.
00:53:29.000 What is that picture, Jamie?
00:53:30.000 It's the India-Pakistan border.
00:53:32.000 Yeah, look at that.
00:53:34.000 It's about 2,000 kilometers long.
00:53:36.000 It's insane, right?
00:53:37.000 Yeah, you could see that border.
00:53:39.000 That's legit.
00:53:40.000 That's a line.
00:53:41.000 It's a highway is what it is.
00:53:42.000 This is what it looks like from the ground.
00:53:44.000 Really?
00:53:45.000 Yeah.
00:53:45.000 Wow, how fascinating.
00:53:46.000 Two people look similar, live right next door, hate each other, have nuclear weapons pulling at each other at all times.
00:53:53.000 Yeah.
00:53:54.000 My friend Shane Smith, he runs Vice.com.
00:53:57.000 He's been to India and Pakistan, and he says that is the one place where he's most terrified of a nuclear war breaking out.
00:54:05.000 Oh, for sure.
00:54:06.000 Osama bin Laden was in Pakistan.
00:54:08.000 It's crazy.
00:54:09.000 You know, I was just in Mumbai and at the airport, a plane came in and it was from Iran.
00:54:16.000 Iran Airlines.
00:54:17.000 And I'm like, wow, you don't see that in America.
00:54:19.000 They're not allowed to land there.
00:54:21.000 But I actually went over and just watched the people getting off the plane.
00:54:24.000 I was like, hey, fellow humans that I would never run into unless this happened.
00:54:29.000 Also, the fact that...
00:54:31.000 To go from...
00:54:31.000 I went from Washington, D.C. to Mumbai.
00:54:33.000 We flew over Iraq and Afghanistan.
00:54:36.000 And I'm like, whoa!
00:54:38.000 I didn't know we did this.
00:54:39.000 And then after what happened in the Ukraine, I'm like, that's...
00:54:43.000 Crazy.
00:54:44.000 I felt like I was safe up there at 30,000 feet flying over the earth, but apparently not.
00:54:51.000 What exactly has happened?
00:54:52.000 Are they sure that these were blown up by missiles and not by bombs?
00:54:56.000 I haven't been following the story well enough.
00:54:59.000 Last I heard, it was fired from an anti-aircraft.
00:55:06.000 I didn't know they could do that.
00:55:17.000 Airport security keeps us from bringing things on the planes, but the real next threat is what people can do to planes from the ground.
00:55:25.000 And I was like, no way.
00:55:26.000 But then if you go to the In-N-Out burger that's near LAX, there's a great view of...
00:55:33.000 The plane's coming in, and they are close.
00:55:36.000 Oh yeah, especially when they're taking off.
00:55:38.000 Yeah.
00:55:38.000 That's so true.
00:55:39.000 No one's doing any security to keep you from putting a fucking anti-missile or anti-aircraft missile.
00:55:44.000 Or just a slingshot, honestly.
00:55:45.000 They're so close.
00:55:47.000 What kind of slingshot are you carrying?
00:55:49.000 Well, maybe I'm exaggerating.
00:55:52.000 But not really if you break the window, right?
00:55:54.000 I mean, could you break a window or shoot it into a turbine, you know?
00:55:58.000 Oh, you know, they also had problems with laser pointers.
00:56:00.000 Just people pointing laser pointers at planes, and that can be dangerous for the pilots, yeah.
00:56:05.000 Why aren't pilots, like, essentially running almost entirely on autopilot these days?
00:56:09.000 I don't know.
00:56:10.000 I don't either.
00:56:11.000 Obviously not.
00:56:12.000 Obviously they've got some control over what they do.
00:56:15.000 Yeah, they certainly have some control.
00:56:19.000 We're so funny when we isolate threats.
00:56:23.000 I was thinking this the other day while I was traveling.
00:56:25.000 We're going through the airport, and they're going through all your shit, and they're scanning you, and you're putting your hands over your head, and the radio thing checks your body for weapons, and you go through, and you get the clear, and you go.
00:56:37.000 But it's only the airport.
00:56:39.000 There's places where people congregate by the thousands, and there's virtually no security whatsoever, like malls.
00:56:45.000 When was the last time nobody checked shit at the mall?
00:56:47.000 You go to the parking lot, it's filled with cars.
00:56:50.000 Yeah, Times Square.
00:56:51.000 You walk through, there's thousands of people in these malls.
00:56:56.000 Whenever I pass that security body scan screening, I feel really good.
00:57:01.000 I feel like, yeah, I did it.
00:57:04.000 I passed.
00:57:05.000 Am I the only one?
00:57:06.000 I just, I really love that experience of like, I put my hands up, the thing goes, and then I stand there and the guy's like, wait.
00:57:12.000 And I'm like, I'm clean, I promise.
00:57:14.000 And then he hears it and he goes, you can go ahead.
00:57:16.000 And I'm like, I did it.
00:57:18.000 I get credit for being not a threat.
00:57:20.000 And I love it.
00:57:21.000 Why do you love that?
00:57:22.000 I don't know.
00:57:23.000 I think I'm a pleaser, right?
00:57:24.000 At heart.
00:57:25.000 I just want people to enjoy me and be happy with me.
00:57:29.000 So walking through a metal detector and not having it go off.
00:57:32.000 Oh, I just could do that all day.
00:57:35.000 If there's someone there watching going, yep, you're good, you're good.
00:57:39.000 That's an interesting admission.
00:57:41.000 That's fascinating.
00:57:41.000 You guys don't feel that too?
00:57:43.000 You don't feel this?
00:57:44.000 It's not just relief, it's like pride.
00:57:47.000 No, I definitely don't feel pride.
00:57:49.000 I definitely feel a slight relief like, okay, this is over.
00:57:54.000 Sure.
00:57:55.000 Because I don't like the whole process.
00:57:57.000 Sure.
00:57:57.000 I'm not a criminal, and I'm not a threat, and I'm not a terrorist, and I don't have any plans on ever being one.
00:58:03.000 So when I'm doing this, I'm like, this is just so crazy that this tiny, minute, one one-hundredth of one percent of the population, if it's even that, that you ever have to worry about.
00:58:13.000 It's probably not even that, statistically.
00:58:16.000 Look, one percent of the population means out of a hundred million, you have a million people, right?
00:58:20.000 That's one percent.
00:58:22.000 Yeah, so...
00:58:23.000 It's not that.
00:58:24.000 So it's not that.
00:58:25.000 It's very small.
00:58:27.000 It's very, very, very, very, very small what the actual threat is.
00:58:30.000 But because of these fuckheads, these actual threats, everyone has to be massively inconvenienced.
00:58:36.000 So I find it to be incredibly inefficient, ridiculous, and almost...
00:58:43.000 It almost sort of enforces this idea of instability, because although 99.9999999% of people are nothing to worry about, because there is this minute, tiny threat.
00:58:58.000 Everyone has to be inconvenienced.
00:59:00.000 Everyone has to be a suspect.
00:59:01.000 And you have to be treated by these people that are getting paid very little money in high-stress situations.
00:59:08.000 They're not experts at sociology or psychology, rather.
00:59:12.000 They're not experts in how their behavior impacts people who are being treated like threats.
00:59:21.000 Yeah, a job like that is fascinating.
00:59:25.000 I want to do a documentary someday about people who, their job is to do something that everyone hates.
00:59:31.000 Like a meter maid?
00:59:33.000 Was there a movie about meter maids?
00:59:35.000 And what it was like to just be like, alright, time to start my job, which literally is just being hated all day.
00:59:41.000 Same with people who work at complaint departments.
00:59:43.000 Well, I worked as a security guard once for a concert venue.
00:59:48.000 And you develop this us versus them mentality.
00:59:52.000 I only did it for a summer.
00:59:54.000 And just over the course of the summer, because one of the things that we did was people were always trying to sneak in bottles of booze.
01:00:05.000 Like, paper cups and plastic cups and stuff.
01:00:07.000 Right, right, right.
01:00:07.000 But people would try to bring in bottles of wine, like a James Taylor concert.
01:00:10.000 We busted more people with bottles of wine at this James Taylor concert.
01:00:14.000 Wow.
01:00:14.000 Because everybody was trying to sneak them in in their purse.
01:00:17.000 Right.
01:00:17.000 And we would check.
01:00:18.000 They'd be like, no, there's nothing in here.
01:00:19.000 I'm like, we have to check your purse.
01:00:20.000 Right.
01:00:21.000 Like, why do you have to check my purse?
01:00:22.000 Because you might have a bottle of wine in there.
01:00:24.000 Right.
01:00:24.000 And they're like, how do you know I have a bottle of wine?
01:00:26.000 Because everybody has a fucking bottle of wine.
01:00:27.000 It's a James Taylor concert, right?
01:00:29.000 Uh-huh.
01:00:29.000 You know, like, we're just gonna come in and just have it.
01:00:32.000 No, can't do it.
01:00:33.000 But this is expensive.
01:00:34.000 Well, go home.
01:00:35.000 You know, and once you pass through that border, you can't bring it back.
01:00:39.000 You know, it's over.
01:00:41.000 And we would get these people that would be really angry at us.
01:00:45.000 Yeah.
01:00:45.000 Like, and real confrontational.
01:00:47.000 And how to...
01:00:48.000 At all, just three months of me working there, you develop this mentality where you're like, fuck these people.
01:00:55.000 These people are assholes.
01:00:56.000 And that's just us versus them.
01:00:58.000 They're just people.
01:00:59.000 Right.
01:00:59.000 But because you're the one whose job is to enforce it, and they're angry at you, you develop this very confrontational relationship.
01:01:07.000 Yeah.
01:01:08.000 It was very weird.
01:01:09.000 And I noticed it.
01:01:10.000 It was super unhealthy.
01:01:11.000 And I decided after the one summer there, like, I'm never doing this again.
01:01:15.000 But someone has to do that job.
01:01:17.000 Do they, though?
01:01:18.000 Good question.
01:01:19.000 I don't know if they do.
01:01:20.000 You know, I do not know if someone really needs to do that job.
01:01:24.000 I think, first of all, if you just say, don't bring any bags.
01:01:28.000 Like, what's the worst thing?
01:01:29.000 Someone bringing in a flask?
01:01:31.000 Are they going to start a riot where everybody pulls out their flasks and throws them at the same time and, you know, falls from the sky?
01:01:37.000 These fucking...
01:01:38.000 I don't know.
01:01:39.000 I don't know.
01:01:40.000 But the job sucks.
01:01:43.000 And everywhere you go, people were trying to get over on you.
01:01:46.000 And that's minor.
01:01:47.000 That's just most of the people weren't bringing in stuff.
01:01:51.000 It was a small percentage.
01:01:53.000 There's a distinction between that job and working at a complaint department where the complaint department, maybe you're helping people with the problem they're experiencing.
01:02:01.000 But if all you do is stop people from bringing in the bottle of wine that they want to have, You don't work with them to make it work.
01:02:09.000 Yeah, good point.
01:02:10.000 That's a really good point.
01:02:11.000 In complaint departments, they fucking hate it.
01:02:13.000 People hate it.
01:02:14.000 They hate that gig.
01:02:16.000 Yeah, a meter made would be the worst, I think.
01:02:19.000 Or one of the worst.
01:02:20.000 Cops are one of the worst.
01:02:21.000 I always tell people, like, you know, these people are like, fuck cops, I hate cops.
01:02:26.000 Cops are just people, okay?
01:02:28.000 Yeah.
01:02:28.000 And people can vary.
01:02:29.000 They can be wonderful and they can be terrible.
01:02:31.000 Yeah.
01:02:32.000 And if you imagine what it would be like if almost everyone you talk to is lying to you...
01:02:38.000 Almost everyone you talk to is in the middle of a crime that they don't want you to figure out that they're in the middle of a crime.
01:02:43.000 Yeah.
01:02:44.000 Everyone's speeding in their law.
01:02:45.000 I didn't know I was speeding.
01:02:46.000 Like, you're just dealing with liars all day.
01:02:48.000 Have you been drinking?
01:02:49.000 No.
01:02:49.000 Dude, you fucking smell like alcohol.
01:02:52.000 Get out of the car, asshole.
01:02:54.000 And you're just like, enough.
01:02:55.000 You're tired.
01:02:55.000 You're tired of your life being threatened by these people.
01:02:58.000 You're tired of having to enforce these laws, and nobody wants to listen.
01:03:03.000 And they develop.
01:03:04.000 They're the worst at developing this us-versus-them mentality.
01:03:07.000 Yeah.
01:03:08.000 Think about 20 years as a police officer and your perception of people.
01:03:14.000 It would be like asking a proctologist what assholes smell like.
01:03:20.000 You're only dealing with people with asshole problems.
01:03:23.000 Yeah, exactly.
01:03:26.000 Human beings are very bizarre, man.
01:03:28.000 We're very bizarre.
01:03:29.000 And our solutions for dealing with issues oftentimes create new issues.
01:03:34.000 And I think that is most certainly the case with The TSA and I think that's most certainly the case with police.
01:03:41.000 I think our ways of handling things create greater issues.
01:03:48.000 I talk about humans all the time, and I often compare us to animals, and animals don't have any of these problems.
01:03:55.000 Or do they?
01:03:56.000 But they would.
01:03:57.000 They would if they could lie to each other.
01:03:59.000 If they could lie.
01:04:00.000 Right!
01:04:00.000 Can a dog lie?
01:04:02.000 If they could, they'd be lying like a motherfucker.
01:04:04.000 Could you imagine if a dog ate your steak?
01:04:07.000 Like if you put a steak on the counter and the dog ate it, and you're like, did you eat my steak?
01:04:10.000 He's like, no, no, no, dude.
01:04:13.000 But if a dog could talk...
01:04:15.000 Could it lie?
01:04:16.000 That's the biggest problem with comparing humans and animals is that we can't ask the animal questions and get feedback from them.
01:04:22.000 We have to just think, well, the dog ate the steak and now he's involved in some other dog activity, but how does he lie?
01:04:32.000 Because I can't ask him if he did it or not.
01:04:34.000 Can a dog be deceptive?
01:04:36.000 And you can maybe teach a dog that if you cover this thing up, I won't know.
01:04:41.000 But is the dog actually intending to cover it?
01:04:44.000 Or does the dog just know that this action means this result?
01:04:47.000 Right.
01:04:48.000 Is it lying?
01:04:49.000 And that's a fantastic question.
01:04:52.000 It is.
01:04:53.000 Do they have the capacity for deception?
01:04:55.000 Right.
01:04:56.000 Is that a complex...
01:04:57.000 And what's really fun is trying to figure out how to even test it.
01:05:00.000 How can I prove that this dog can lie?
01:05:03.000 That's very difficult, and we still haven't been able to do it.
01:05:06.000 Well, here's one.
01:05:07.000 I don't think they can lie, but cats, when a cat is creeping up on a bird, aren't they lying?
01:05:14.000 I mean, they're being deceptive.
01:05:16.000 They're slowly moving because they don't want you to perceive that they're there.
01:05:20.000 That's a great point.
01:05:21.000 There's clearly a lot of deception in the animal kingdom.
01:05:24.000 Camouflage, for instance.
01:05:26.000 Venus flytraps, even in the plant world.
01:05:29.000 This is just a beautiful flower.
01:05:31.000 Snap!
01:05:32.000 It's jail.
01:05:33.000 I'm going to eat you.
01:05:34.000 Here's another question.
01:05:35.000 If I took a monkey that was in the jungle and I time-traveled him back, 8,000 years.
01:05:43.000 And I put them in that same jungle.
01:05:45.000 Would the other monkeys be like, what?
01:05:48.000 You're a monkey from the future.
01:05:49.000 You're so different.
01:05:51.000 Maybe not 8,000, but maybe half a million.
01:05:54.000 Half a million, sure.
01:05:55.000 But if I took you and sent you back just 200 years...
01:05:59.000 You would be from the future and people would freak out.
01:06:01.000 I would run shit, by the way.
01:06:02.000 You would run, right?
01:06:03.000 No, no, no.
01:06:04.000 I would run shit.
01:06:05.000 Does monkey culture, does dog culture change at the same speed, right?
01:06:09.000 Would the dogs be like, ah, whatever.
01:06:11.000 It's the year 10,000 BC. It's fine.
01:06:14.000 Dogs are still dogs.
01:06:15.000 But humans, you can't time travel and fit in that well.
01:06:18.000 Well, there's so many less variables in the dog world because they don't communicate.
01:06:22.000 They don't have a database of information they're drawing from.
01:06:26.000 They don't have languages.
01:06:27.000 So the difference between a person of 200 years ago and a dog from 200 years ago, I think a dog would be exactly the same 200 years ago.
01:06:33.000 Yeah.
01:06:34.000 I don't think there would be...
01:06:35.000 Of course, different breeds that people have engineered.
01:06:39.000 Sure, sure.
01:06:40.000 Pit bulls and poodles that wouldn't exist 200 years ago that have been...
01:06:45.000 I mean, I have a dog.
01:06:46.000 It's called a Regency Mastiff.
01:06:48.000 And it's a Mastiff that's been engineered by a friend of mine.
01:06:51.000 And he actually took a bunch of different types of dogs and he bred a smaller Mastiff that's more athletic.
01:06:58.000 Wow.
01:06:58.000 And he also made sure that these dogs have no dog aggression, no people aggression.
01:07:03.000 Like, the sweetest dog ever.
01:07:05.000 Like, my three-year-old would just go up to it and grab it and wrap her arms around its neck and it would kiss her.
01:07:11.000 And it's like, I never worry about this dog.
01:07:13.000 He's the sweetest.
01:07:14.000 It's because he was engineered.
01:07:16.000 Engineered over the course of a couple decades by a friend.
01:07:19.000 So I know the whole lineage.
01:07:22.000 I know how it all started.
01:07:23.000 It's really, really fascinating.
01:07:24.000 Dogs are technology.
01:07:25.000 In a lot of ways, yeah.
01:07:28.000 They don't have the database.
01:07:30.000 If you could go back 200 years ago, you would be the wizard of the future.
01:07:36.000 How many years?
01:07:36.000 200?
01:07:37.000 What you have.
01:07:37.000 What you have in your head.
01:07:38.000 I mean, what you've accumulated.
01:07:41.000 If you could go back in time with a fucking iPad and your Vsauce videos on YouTube, my God!
01:07:49.000 You would be a king!
01:07:50.000 Maybe, but could I convince people?
01:07:53.000 Just knowing...
01:07:57.000 Something about the moon doesn't mean that they're going to believe me.
01:08:00.000 And that's one of the things people don't think about when they imagine being the king if they could travel back in time is that, sure, you could explain to people that where you're from, everyone has a cell phone.
01:08:09.000 But could you invent one for them?
01:08:11.000 No.
01:08:12.000 Could you put a satellite up into orbit?
01:08:14.000 No, but you could explain that in the future people will put things into orbit.
01:08:18.000 But would you know more about how to get something into orbit than just some rando guy from the year 1200?
01:08:26.000 I certainly wouldn't.
01:08:27.000 But some people would.
01:08:28.000 You probably would.
01:08:30.000 Well, you would certainly know more than I would.
01:08:32.000 But you would know way more than they would.
01:08:35.000 They would have to listen to you.
01:08:36.000 If you had an iPad, they'd fucking for sure listen to you.
01:08:38.000 I don't know how helpful I'd be.
01:08:40.000 I wouldn't know what kind of propellants to use.
01:08:41.000 I would just be like, we need something strong enough to escape Earth's gravity.
01:08:46.000 And they'd be like, well, okay.
01:08:49.000 But what is that?
01:08:50.000 And I'm like, well, I don't exactly know.
01:08:51.000 I know that the space shuttle had liquid fuel in its tank and it had solid fuel in its solid rocket boosters, the SRBs.
01:09:00.000 And they'll be like, okay, but what is the fuel made of?
01:09:03.000 I'm like, I don't know.
01:09:05.000 Where do we get the fuel?
01:09:06.000 I don't know.
01:09:07.000 Well, you would kind of have an understanding of explosions and propellants and things that are flammable.
01:09:14.000 Right.
01:09:14.000 But does that mean that I could build a rocket?
01:09:16.000 No.
01:09:16.000 Could I explain to a culture how to make one?
01:09:20.000 Well, that's one of the cool things about human beings is that we work on each other's work.
01:09:26.000 Totally.
01:09:26.000 And without...
01:09:29.000 Obama came under a lot of criticism for this whole, you know, you didn't build it thing.
01:09:34.000 Like, if you built a small business, you didn't build that infrastructure.
01:09:37.000 You didn't build those.
01:09:37.000 But that is kind of...
01:09:39.000 I don't think he was eloquently put and it left open a lot of room for counter.
01:09:44.000 But the reality of it is, every single thing that any human being has invented only took place because someone...
01:09:50.000 Someone invented the ability to communicate.
01:09:52.000 Someone invented education.
01:09:55.000 Someone invented a society that's civil enough that you could think and pontificate on these things and not have to worry about the barbarians coming over the hills with fucking spears.
01:10:04.000 All this only takes place because the only reason why you can build a rocket is because someone built alloys, because someone figured out propellants, because someone figured out contained explosion, because someone figured out velocity and speed and How much energy you actually have to have to escape the energy of gravity pulling you down.
01:10:25.000 The pull of the earth and then the resistance of air and all these different variables.
01:10:32.000 There had to be untold number of people I don't know how helpful I'd be about just like...
01:10:53.000 Oh, you guys didn't know?
01:10:54.000 There's a better way to grow corn.
01:10:56.000 Corn is really cheap from where I'm from.
01:11:00.000 And they're like, okay, but how do you grow that?
01:11:02.000 And I'm like, well, I don't know exactly how they do it.
01:11:04.000 Do you guys know about Monsanto?
01:11:05.000 Yeah.
01:11:05.000 You don't know about Monsanto.
01:11:06.000 Well, they make special seeds that their pesticides will not kill.
01:11:12.000 Just do that.
01:11:13.000 And they're going to be like, what's a pesticide?
01:11:15.000 And I'm like, oh, I don't know.
01:11:15.000 It's like a chemical that kills pests.
01:11:18.000 And they're like, well...
01:11:19.000 Great.
01:11:20.000 You're just making up fictional stories.
01:11:22.000 I can do that, too.
01:11:24.000 Cars fly.
01:11:25.000 There you go.
01:11:25.000 Doesn't mean you can build one.
01:11:26.000 Over time, though, you'd be able to explain enough that you'd be completely fascinating.
01:11:31.000 I was watching a documentary recently about Locust.
01:11:34.000 Oh.
01:11:34.000 About the various times throughout history where locusts had filled the sky like clouds of locusts.
01:11:42.000 And it was about the Old West and the army being brought in to deliver food to these poor people that had lived in the 1800s or 1700s or whatever the fuck it was.
01:11:53.000 But they had these black and white photos of the army and they're bringing in these...
01:11:57.000 These wagons filled with food and these poor people.
01:12:01.000 Their crops have just been completely devastated by these things that just showed up and filled the sky.
01:12:07.000 These grasshoppers.
01:12:10.000 If you could go back and talk to those people and explain pesticides and shit.
01:12:15.000 What we need to do is find the root cause of the problem and find these bugs and keep them from breeding.
01:12:21.000 They'd be like, what the fuck are you talking about?
01:12:24.000 Like, pesticides?
01:12:25.000 What is that?
01:12:26.000 Well, it's a chemical that you spray on and it keeps the plants from...
01:12:30.000 Maybe food, like cooking.
01:12:32.000 Like, if I went back to before there was pizza, I could probably still make a pizza because as long as bread had still been, like, invented and there was cheese and meat, I could combine them in the right way to make a pizza.
01:12:46.000 I don't know how to exactly make pizza dough from the ingredients they'd have back in the past.
01:12:52.000 But that could blow people's mind.
01:12:53.000 If I made a really delicious pizza...
01:12:55.000 It would be hard to get yeast.
01:12:56.000 Where do you get yeast?
01:12:59.000 From the store.
01:13:00.000 See, that's the problem.
01:13:02.000 And this was really well put in a show called Connections that was on television a long time ago.
01:13:09.000 In the very first episode, the guy's like, what if everyone on Earth disappeared?
01:13:14.000 What would you do?
01:13:14.000 And everyone's like, oh, I know what I'd do.
01:13:16.000 I'd find a farm and I could grow food.
01:13:18.000 And he's like, really?
01:13:19.000 You could grow food?
01:13:20.000 When do you plant these seeds?
01:13:21.000 How far down do you plant them?
01:13:23.000 And everyone goes, okay, nope, I don't know.
01:13:27.000 Well, you would probably be able to figure out a lot of shit.
01:13:31.000 You know, if you had a farm, if you had a well, if you had animals...
01:13:37.000 You're a smart guy.
01:13:38.000 You'd probably be able to figure out a lot of shit.
01:13:41.000 You'd definitely make some errors, but you'd be able to figure out a lot of shit.
01:13:44.000 I think you're right.
01:13:45.000 Yeah, you're right.
01:13:46.000 The real problem would be re-engineering the really complex stuff, like communications networks.
01:13:54.000 That would be...
01:13:55.000 I mean, that would be over.
01:13:56.000 I mean, if it was only up to...
01:13:59.000 You know, if you could get a random group of 100 people, just completely random, and they would be the only people that survive, we would be cavemen.
01:14:09.000 I mean, we...
01:14:10.000 Literally.
01:14:11.000 If we...
01:14:12.000 If you only had 100 people, and we removed all the technology that we have today, and the 100 people had to move forward and progress...
01:14:22.000 Just based on the information that they have inside their heads?
01:14:25.000 Fuck.
01:14:26.000 Good luck.
01:14:27.000 That's the weird thing about the human organism.
01:14:29.000 It really is a giant super organism that needs itself.
01:14:33.000 Yeah, that's right.
01:14:34.000 There are definitely people you would want to be in that group of hundred and people that wouldn't be nearly as helpful.
01:14:40.000 Sure.
01:14:40.000 Yeah.
01:14:41.000 But we need to balance each other out.
01:14:42.000 Maybe some of the people that were in that group, maybe they had some great ideas scientifically, but maybe they were fucked up socially.
01:14:49.000 Maybe they couldn't deal with having the responsibility of being the alpha.
01:14:56.000 We've all seen people that get attention or that get...
01:15:03.000 Right.
01:15:24.000 I want to see...
01:15:40.000 The first person to become king.
01:15:42.000 I was on Wikipedia the other day looking at the Queen of England, I guess.
01:15:47.000 And I could just keep clicking back to find the previous ruler.
01:15:51.000 And I was like, how far back does this go?
01:15:54.000 Where's the first guy who one day was like, hey, could you get me that thing?
01:16:00.000 Why?
01:16:02.000 Because I'm king!
01:16:04.000 Yeah, that's a new thing I just invented.
01:16:06.000 Where did that come from?
01:16:08.000 I want to witness the...
01:16:10.000 I can imagine all kinds of scenarios.
01:16:12.000 Like something happened.
01:16:13.000 A lightning struck and a tree caught fire and someone said, I caused that.
01:16:17.000 Now you all have to obey me.
01:16:18.000 I have this divine authority.
01:16:20.000 And that's where it came from.
01:16:21.000 But the idea of the leaders emerging that way, maybe they just were the strongest person.
01:16:26.000 I don't know.
01:16:27.000 It probably definitely started off with who can fuck everybody up.
01:16:31.000 It probably started off with who can pick up the heaviest sword, who's the biggest.
01:16:35.000 I mean, that's how it is in the primate world.
01:16:38.000 If we wanted to go back to the primate world, the alpha is the one with the sharpest teeth, the biggest muscles, the largest body.
01:16:44.000 I mean, that's what they are.
01:16:46.000 If you go to chimps, if you go to lions, if you go to any animal that doesn't have a language...
01:16:53.000 There's the leader of the tribe.
01:16:54.000 There's the alpha lion that comes in and all the male lions have to scatter until he's challenged by a new young lion.
01:17:01.000 And then he's forced into exile and has to fend for himself.
01:17:04.000 It happens with wolves.
01:17:05.000 It happens with all sorts of primates.
01:17:09.000 The alpha being that.
01:17:11.000 The one leader.
01:17:13.000 And that also probably serves a function of...
01:17:15.000 The one leader serves this function of their...
01:17:20.000 It has to be some sort of competition in order for them to continue to progress.
01:17:26.000 And so this competition for breeding rights ensures strength and diversity.
01:17:34.000 This competition also manifests itself when it comes to the human world.
01:17:38.000 If one can figure out how to dominate all...
01:17:41.000 That's an interesting trait, and you can get some shit done if you can figure that out.
01:17:46.000 But then others need to challenge this one because it can't be stagnant.
01:17:50.000 There has to be new challenges and new competition, and then everybody will have to elevate their game accordingly because of this.
01:17:57.000 And that's sort of eventually what leads us to 2014 in America.
01:18:02.000 I mean, that's essentially what's going on right now, right?
01:18:05.000 Here we are.
01:18:06.000 Sort of.
01:18:06.000 But now it's become bizarre, and it's not really one.
01:18:09.000 It's one that's a figurehead, which is controlled by other giant groups of individuals, which we call corporations and military-industrial complex and all these different various points of influence.
01:18:33.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:18:37.000 I mean, it's really just the same as monkeys, right?
01:18:39.000 Yeah.
01:18:39.000 Sharp teeth, big muscles.
01:18:40.000 The analogy is still very, very clear.
01:18:42.000 Yeah.
01:18:43.000 Yeah.
01:18:43.000 But also constantly in competition and moving forward.
01:18:47.000 And there's folks that want to say, well, that competition should stop and this is all terrible.
01:18:51.000 And morally and ethically, absolutely, I agree with you 100% for the sake of the human race.
01:18:57.000 Sure, for the sake of children and education and poverty.
01:19:00.000 Absolutely, I'm with you.
01:19:02.000 But as an objective observer that's standing back and looking at what has got us to this point, it has been all of that.
01:19:09.000 It has been all this competition for dominance.
01:19:11.000 It's been all this weird alpha stuff.
01:19:15.000 I mean, that's what's led to this point, having these conversations, sitting over a laptop and talking on the internet.
01:19:23.000 Some really fascinating people had to figure this out, and there had to be a certain amount of Compensation for their efforts.
01:19:32.000 Microsoft achieved this global dominance as this gigantic promoter of computers because there's a massive amount of reward involved in that.
01:19:44.000 Bill Gates has $93 billion.
01:19:47.000 This wasn't entirely altruistic.
01:19:49.000 People can talk all they want about Bill Gates's The amount of money he's given to charity.
01:19:54.000 If you have $93 billion, you really need to have some huge charitable programs going on.
01:20:00.000 Because otherwise, you're just going to look...
01:20:02.000 When I was a kid, it was always like, can't I just write Bill Gates to give me a million dollars?
01:20:08.000 That's such a small amount of his net worth.
01:20:11.000 Couldn't he just give me a million?
01:20:13.000 That'd be awesome.
01:20:13.000 Well, could you imagine being a guy that has that kind of money running into people?
01:20:17.000 Like, I'm not...
01:20:18.000 That kind of rich by any stretch of the imagination, but I constantly run into people that want me to fund their projects.
01:20:25.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:20:25.000 And there's not enough time in the world to engage these people and become a part of their life and their world.
01:20:34.000 So they just want you to just like, listen, you don't have to be involved.
01:20:37.000 Just give me the money and I'll get the fuck out of here, man.
01:20:39.000 You got to get your own money.
01:20:41.000 I don't have time for this.
01:20:43.000 Well, you don't even have to think about it, but I would.
01:20:44.000 Yeah.
01:20:45.000 Because I would.
01:20:46.000 If I gave you money, I'd be thinking about it.
01:20:47.000 And I'm not involved in your project.
01:20:49.000 But I'm minuscule in comparison to a guy like Bill Gates.
01:20:53.000 Right.
01:20:54.000 I think it really is true that the whole story about...
01:21:00.000 Bill Gates walked down the street and saw a quarter in the street, and he went out of his way to pick it up, he would lose money.
01:21:07.000 If he found $100, he would lose money.
01:21:10.000 $100 would cost him minutes of his time.
01:21:14.000 And then he'd have to fold it and put it in his wallet.
01:21:17.000 I don't have the time for that shit.
01:21:18.000 Can you imagine being so important and valuable that just folding your own money was not worth it?
01:21:26.000 Well, also there's a weird thing of you become this bizarre target.
01:21:29.000 Yeah.
01:21:30.000 When you're a bank.
01:21:32.000 You're a walking bank.
01:21:34.000 Yeah.
01:21:34.000 Like, all someone would have to do is grab Bill Gates and lock him in a room and say, listen, I'll let you out, man, but I need a million dollars.
01:21:39.000 Right.
01:21:40.000 For him, that's nothing.
01:21:41.000 Right.
01:21:41.000 A million dollars when you have 93,000 million?
01:21:45.000 Yeah.
01:21:45.000 I mean, obviously, he doesn't have, like, a bank account with that much that he could withdraw.
01:21:49.000 A lot of it is in other assets, and it's not all liquid.
01:21:52.000 But I wonder, yeah, if we asked him to just produce, by the end of this week, a pile of cash...
01:21:59.000 How big of a pile of cash could he produce in a week?
01:22:02.000 And how much would that change someone's life or a group of people's lives or a community's life if Bill Gates decided, okay, I'm going to create Utopia.
01:22:11.000 I'm going to go to Tijuana and I'm going to buy it.
01:22:14.000 I'm going to buy everything.
01:22:15.000 How much would it cost to buy everything in Tijuana?
01:22:18.000 And everyone and have them all agree to this, basically.
01:22:21.000 Hire everyone and give everyone healthy, organic food and set up farms.
01:22:27.000 Give people really high-paying jobs and rebuild the entire infrastructure.
01:22:35.000 Could he create a utopia with $93 billion?
01:22:38.000 Or is that not enough?
01:22:39.000 You could do something awesome.
01:22:41.000 I don't think people would accept the utopia.
01:22:44.000 They'd always find a reason to be unhappy.
01:22:46.000 Well, they'd always want to be the alpha.
01:22:47.000 They'd always want to be Bill Gates' boss.
01:22:51.000 A million dollars.
01:22:52.000 Do you know what a million dollars looks like?
01:22:54.000 Yeah, there's an image of what a million dollars looks like in stacks of hundreds, what a billion looks like, and what a trillion.
01:23:00.000 A trillion is fucking insane.
01:23:02.000 A trillion is a lot.
01:23:04.000 A million isn't, you know...
01:23:06.000 It's not as much as you would think.
01:23:09.000 I've always wanted to do an episode about that and actually work with a bank and go to their vault and say, could I show people a million dollars in hundreds?
01:23:18.000 I think that's just five reams of paper tall.
01:23:23.000 That kind of stack.
01:23:24.000 That's a million.
01:23:25.000 Well, $10,000 is a small amount in $100 bills.
01:23:30.000 It's not that much.
01:23:31.000 Right.
01:23:31.000 You know?
01:23:31.000 Ten hundreds is a thousand.
01:23:34.000 Right.
01:23:34.000 Ten stacks of that is ten thousand.
01:23:36.000 Ten thousand.
01:23:37.000 It's not that much.
01:23:38.000 It's not that much.
01:23:38.000 No.
01:23:39.000 And so when you look at a million in stacks of hundreds, it's a relatively small pile.
01:23:43.000 Yeah.
01:23:43.000 And a billion gets pretty big, but a trillion is where shit gets really weird.
01:23:47.000 The thing about five reams of paper might be for dollar bills.
01:23:49.000 I didn't come prepared for all these little perspectives.
01:23:52.000 But yeah, a million dollars...
01:23:55.000 It's less dollars than you would think.
01:23:58.000 In Breaking Bad, the big pile of money that was insane.
01:24:02.000 Here's the image.
01:24:04.000 This is what it looks like.
01:24:07.000 What is that?
01:24:08.000 That small one.
01:24:09.000 That's a million.
01:24:10.000 That's a million.
01:24:10.000 That small stack's a million.
01:24:11.000 Is that a billion?
01:24:12.000 That's a hundred million.
01:24:13.000 Oh, wow.
01:24:14.000 That's a billion.
01:24:15.000 That's a billion.
01:24:16.000 And here's a trillion.
01:24:18.000 Ka-powi.
01:24:19.000 Those are double stacks.
01:24:20.000 Yeah.
01:24:21.000 Yeah.
01:24:22.000 It's essentially a football field filled with cash.
01:24:25.000 And it's stacked up, you know, like Shaquille O'Neal high.
01:24:30.000 Yeah.
01:24:30.000 Yeah.
01:24:32.000 That's a lot of fucking money.
01:24:33.000 Have you ever seen those images of those Mexican drug lords that they bust?
01:24:37.000 They go to their house and they have a whole room filled with $100 bills.
01:24:41.000 These guys didn't have banks.
01:24:43.000 They just have stacks and stacks of money and gold-plated guns.
01:24:46.000 And often it's in multiple currencies.
01:24:48.000 They've got dollars and euros and pounds.
01:24:51.000 And all because drugs are illegal.
01:24:53.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:24:54.000 Well, you know.
01:24:56.000 It's really tough to like...
01:24:59.000 I got really into money laundering during Breaking Bad.
01:25:03.000 I was obsessed with coming up with the best way to make money look legitimate.
01:25:10.000 What's the best way?
01:25:11.000 Well, I feel like, you know, running something like a strip club is pretty good because the clients are unlikely to really ever want to tell a lot about how much they spent and what they spent it on.
01:25:22.000 So you could easily say, yeah, I made a million dollars last year at my strip club.
01:25:27.000 Like, I dare you to find the clients and account for all of this.
01:25:31.000 And cash.
01:25:32.000 And they would pay in cash, right?
01:25:35.000 But also, I was wondering, what about just being a life coach?
01:25:38.000 I could just say, oh yeah, someone paid me a million dollars to teach them how to be happier.
01:25:44.000 But that's a write-off.
01:25:47.000 If someone paid you a million, they would be able to write that off.
01:25:51.000 It's like educational expenses, isn't it?
01:25:53.000 Coaching.
01:25:55.000 So you're saying the strip club's still a better way to wander the money?
01:25:58.000 Yeah, it's the best.
01:26:01.000 Especially because it's cash, mostly.
01:26:03.000 Yeah, you've got to make that money look clean.
01:26:06.000 Just keeping stacks of it in your house means that maybe you could totally go for nice dinners all the time, but you can't buy a house very easily if everyone just goes, well, how are you paying for this?
01:26:17.000 I have a room full of cash that I don't want a bank to know that I have.
01:26:21.000 Could you please do a business with me?
01:26:23.000 It's tough.
01:26:24.000 Yeah.
01:26:25.000 Well, you know, they were running into this issue in Colorado with medical marijuana, then becoming, or recreational marijuana, rather, becoming legal, and then banks were not accepting the money from these people.
01:26:41.000 Oh, no kidding.
01:26:42.000 Yeah, and so they couldn't use credit cards.
01:26:45.000 They had to do everything in cash, and then they would have to take that cash, and they would have to take it when it reached a certain amount.
01:26:50.000 They would have to buy banknotes.
01:26:52.000 So you'd have to bring that money to the bank.
01:26:55.000 In cash?
01:26:56.000 Yeah, and exchange it.
01:26:57.000 So essentially you have these workers, you know, I don't know how much they're paying them per hour, but they're driving around with insane amounts of money.
01:27:03.000 That's not safe.
01:27:04.000 It's very unsafe and very easily targeted.
01:27:07.000 I mean, there's just giant medical marijuana.
01:27:10.000 Why didn't the banks take the money?
01:27:11.000 Well, because of the federal government.
01:27:13.000 The federal government is not allowing marijuana.
01:27:17.000 Not only that, here's where it gets really tricky, and this is important for anybody who's listening to this, that lives in Washington State or lives in Colorado, where as a state, marijuana is legal.
01:27:29.000 Federally, still not legal.
01:27:31.000 So, if you go into a national park, and you're in a national park, and you're smoking in Colorado, people are getting arrested.
01:27:40.000 They're getting arrested by federal authority.
01:27:42.000 I should know more about this.
01:27:43.000 This is fascinating.
01:27:45.000 So the banks, because they're federally insured, well, can't the bank just not ask where the money came from?
01:27:55.000 I guess.
01:27:56.000 No, I think you have to.
01:27:58.000 I think you have to be able to report it, because otherwise you're helping abiding drug dealers.
01:28:03.000 What'd they do in Florida in cocaine?
01:28:05.000 Cocaine Cowboys?
01:28:06.000 Well, that's a long time ago, and that's a good question, because they did it illegally.
01:28:11.000 There's more banks per capita in Florida than anywhere else in the world.
01:28:18.000 No kidding.
01:28:18.000 In Miami, yeah.
01:28:20.000 And they think that that is essentially because of the cocaine industry.
01:28:25.000 And that Miami, the Cocaine Cowboys, which is a fantastic documentary by my friend Billy Corbin.
01:28:30.000 I've got to watch that.
01:28:31.000 Cowboys 1 and 2. It's great.
01:28:33.000 And we've been going back and forth on Twitter.
01:28:35.000 I've got to get that guy on the podcast because he's a really interesting guy on his own.
01:28:40.000 And his documentaries are fantastic.
01:28:42.000 But Cocaine Cowboys is, in my opinion, the very best documentary ever on how crazy cocaine was in Miami.
01:28:49.000 At one time...
01:28:51.000 The entire graduating class of the police department, they either wound up dead or in jail.
01:28:58.000 There was so much corruption that everyone was selling coke.
01:29:03.000 Everyone was doing coke.
01:29:05.000 The money was coming in in such insane piles and it was so unmanageable that banks were popping up left and right to launder it.
01:29:14.000 People were just Fucking coked up and doing crazy shit.
01:29:18.000 Scarface was really sort of a minor version of what was really going on.
01:29:24.000 I've got to watch this.
01:29:25.000 The reality was crazier than Tony Montana.
01:29:27.000 Tony Montana was very mild in comparison to the actual dealings and craziness that was going on during the 80s, the cocaine days.
01:29:36.000 Wow.
01:29:37.000 It's amazing.
01:29:38.000 It's a fantastic documentary.
01:29:41.000 And also all because of the fact that it was illegal.
01:29:44.000 I mean, the same thing that's going on in Mexico right now.
01:29:47.000 I mean, they kind of put the kibosh on it in America, or at least slowed it down considerably.
01:29:52.000 But the reason why all this illegal violence was going on in the first place, or violence was going on in the first place, was because it was illegal.
01:30:00.000 Because only criminals could sell it, and then they had to compete for dominance with no rules.
01:30:04.000 Right, and you had to keep the cash all around in houses and stuff.
01:30:08.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:30:09.000 Yeah, this guy who was a pilot used to have these holes that he dug in his backyard and would put garbage bags filled with like a million dollars.
01:30:16.000 Right.
01:30:17.000 In his backyard.
01:30:18.000 What's the most money cash you've ever held?
01:30:21.000 I haven't really held a lot.
01:30:23.000 Yeah, I was thinking...
01:30:24.000 A couple thousand.
01:30:25.000 I think I... Yeah, I think two thousand.
01:30:28.000 I bought a couch with cash once because there was like...
01:30:31.000 It was this weird deal, which sounds so weird now, but it was like, well, you know, if you pay in cash, it's like $200 less.
01:30:38.000 And I'm like, really?
01:30:39.000 So I just went to the bank and I'm like, can I get $2,000 cash or whatever it was?
01:30:43.000 And then they put it in an envelope and I walked back across the street and bought the couch with the cash.
01:30:48.000 That's because they have credit card fees.
01:30:50.000 I've had people ask me if I could pay with Visa instead of American Express.
01:30:56.000 Yeah.
01:30:56.000 Because American Express would give you a higher fee.
01:30:59.000 Ah, yeah.
01:31:00.000 I've been to bars that don't accept American Express.
01:31:03.000 Yeah.
01:31:05.000 Purely because they hate the fees or something?
01:31:07.000 I don't know.
01:31:07.000 I'm not talking about anything I know anything about.
01:31:09.000 I think that's what it is.
01:31:10.000 Yeah, because I have seen that before.
01:31:13.000 I've had people say to me, do you have a visa?
01:31:16.000 Like, we take this.
01:31:16.000 If you don't, it's okay.
01:31:17.000 I'm like, well, why don't you want it?
01:31:19.000 And then they'll tell you, well, they kill you with the fees.
01:31:20.000 I was like, oh.
01:31:22.000 I didn't know that.
01:31:23.000 It varies.
01:31:25.000 American Express was always a weird one, too, because it was one where you paid it all off at the end of the month, which I liked.
01:31:32.000 It wasn't like a Visa card where, say, if you owe $1,000, you pay $10 a month.
01:31:38.000 It wasn't that.
01:31:39.000 It was like, if you spent $1,000 at the end of the month, here's your bill, it's $1,000, which I like to just take care of that.
01:31:46.000 I don't want that floating over...
01:31:49.000 I've been in debt before and it's a gross feeling to have this money just like sitting over your head.
01:31:54.000 So the American Express thing, I like that you paid it off, but I guess they charge more for that.
01:32:01.000 Because otherwise, why would it benefit someone to pay in cash?
01:32:04.000 Like, why would they want you to give them cash?
01:32:06.000 There has to be fees involved.
01:32:08.000 Yeah, well, with cash, they could just pretend they wouldn't have to even pay tax on it.
01:32:12.000 They could just say...
01:32:13.000 Then you're going illegal.
01:32:14.000 I'm not going illegal.
01:32:15.000 I'm going illegal.
01:32:16.000 You're trying to figure out the legitimate reason for...
01:32:18.000 Yes.
01:32:18.000 It could have been the fees, yeah.
01:32:19.000 It would have to be, right?
01:32:20.000 Yeah.
01:32:21.000 I'm going to forget all the details about this, but I'm now remembering that I think I had $5,000 in my hand once.
01:32:27.000 Because I was investing this money in a Roth IRA, okay?
01:32:34.000 And I didn't have any checks with me.
01:32:36.000 I had checks in some other city.
01:32:38.000 And I'm like, well, how else am I going to give this $5,000?
01:32:41.000 So I got the cash, and then it turns out you can't...
01:32:46.000 Just show up with the cash to invest in the Roth IRA. So I'm like, ah, okay, crud.
01:32:51.000 You can't?
01:32:51.000 No, they wouldn't even accept it.
01:32:54.000 I was told by the wealth management company that if you do that, they don't want people coming in and out carrying lots of cash.
01:33:02.000 Because that can then cause problems outside where people know that people are coming into this business carrying lots of cash.
01:33:09.000 Huh.
01:33:10.000 So they wouldn't accept it.
01:33:11.000 So I had to just go and order more checks.
01:33:13.000 But now I had $5,000 I had to put back in the bank.
01:33:17.000 And my mom did it for me.
01:33:19.000 I'm not understanding why this story is so weird.
01:33:22.000 But she tried to do it and the bank flipped out.
01:33:25.000 And they were like, where did you get this money?
01:33:26.000 And she had to fill out a form and tell them how she got it and what her job was and why she had all this money in cash.
01:33:35.000 Wow.
01:33:36.000 That's bizarre.
01:33:37.000 We had a guy on recently who was a poker pro and he was talking about poker players who come back from other countries and they win these poker tournaments.
01:33:46.000 They have thousands of dollars and a lot of times it gets taken from them at the border.
01:33:52.000 Because they don't believe that they won this plan.
01:33:54.000 You have to prove that you've got $50,000 on you.
01:33:57.000 Oh yeah, you're a fucking drug dealer.
01:33:59.000 No, I'm a professional poker player.
01:34:01.000 I won a tournament.
01:34:02.000 Here's my paperwork.
01:34:03.000 Nope, you've got to go to court.
01:34:04.000 And they would force them to go to court to try to get their money back.
01:34:07.000 They'd essentially steal their money and then make them...
01:34:09.000 But why would they have their poker winnings from a professional poker game in cash?
01:34:13.000 Wouldn't you...
01:34:14.000 Well, because you get it cashed out.
01:34:16.000 Say if you're in Macau or something like that, and you win some gigantic poker thing, you get your money, and then you cash out.
01:34:26.000 You cash in your chips.
01:34:27.000 Like in Vegas, I have a friend who's a degenerate gambler, but he's also super wealthy.
01:34:36.000 Dana White, he owns the UFC. He's one of the owners of the UFC. He's worth stupid amounts of money.
01:34:40.000 But he'll gamble and win A million dollars in a night.
01:34:45.000 Dang.
01:34:46.000 And they give it to him in garbage bags.
01:34:49.000 Really?
01:34:50.000 Yep.
01:34:50.000 He goes out to his car, they grab bags, and they fill a garbage bag up with money, and he'll leave with a million dollars in cash.
01:35:00.000 In a bag?
01:35:01.000 Oh, he's talked about it many times.
01:35:02.000 Why would they do that?
01:35:04.000 They would direct deposit it, wouldn't they?
01:35:06.000 Nope.
01:35:07.000 Nope.
01:35:08.000 They give it to you in cash.
01:35:09.000 Wow.
01:35:10.000 I don't know if he wants cash.
01:35:11.000 I don't know if they can direct deposit it.
01:35:13.000 I'm not a gambler.
01:35:14.000 I don't understand.
01:35:15.000 Yeah, I don't know any of this.
01:35:16.000 The most I've ever gambled on something is, I think, maybe $1,000 on multiple bets.
01:35:23.000 Before, I used to be the commentator for the UFC. I would bet on fights.
01:35:29.000 Usually, it wasn't even the UFC. It was other organizations.
01:35:32.000 I would go in, and I kind of had an inside line.
01:35:36.000 There's still to this day...
01:35:37.000 I have a friend and I give him picks whenever the fights go.
01:35:41.000 I go, this is a lock.
01:35:43.000 This is a lock.
01:35:43.000 This is a bullshit.
01:35:44.000 These odds are idiots.
01:35:46.000 I don't know how this got in.
01:35:47.000 There's odds to this day that are really bad.
01:35:50.000 Really?
01:35:50.000 A guy who's a two-to-one favorite and he really should be a five-to-one underdog happens all the time.
01:35:55.000 And it's because in order to understand mixed martial arts on a very, very high level, you have to have some competition.
01:36:02.000 We're good to go.
01:36:09.000 We're good to go.
01:36:21.000 Yeah.
01:36:32.000 Yeah.
01:36:34.000 Yeah.
01:36:38.000 Like, there's certain guys, when they enter into the UFC for the first time, a lot of people don't know how they did in other organizations.
01:36:46.000 That's when you can get sort of the best odds.
01:36:48.000 Interesting.
01:36:49.000 This friend of mine, I've given him these picks.
01:36:52.000 We're, like, way over 80%.
01:36:54.000 Like, way over 80% winning.
01:36:56.000 So if I was a real gambling man, you know, I'm not, just because I don't trust myself.
01:37:02.000 But if I was a real gambling man, I'd be fucking killing him with that.
01:37:07.000 Yeah, that's fascinating.
01:37:09.000 Who does get to set odds?
01:37:10.000 They have to be pretty smart.
01:37:12.000 They're not.
01:37:13.000 Some of them are.
01:37:14.000 Some of them are smart.
01:37:15.000 I don't know who does it.
01:37:17.000 I don't know the people.
01:37:18.000 I used to know the guy who did it for USA Today, a very smart guy, and it was really interesting talking to him about odds.
01:37:26.000 An older guy, didn't train, didn't fight.
01:37:29.000 He was very knowledgeable, but I think there's certain levels of understanding.
01:37:34.000 And at the ultimate level of understanding, there's certain guys who are like, you know what?
01:37:38.000 If the shit hits the fan, I think this guy folds up.
01:37:40.000 And you've got to take that into consideration when he's fighting the guy who's not going to fold up.
01:37:46.000 But odds are very big.
01:37:47.000 I don't get...
01:37:48.000 How do you fucking make odds on a football game?
01:37:52.000 You're going to bet that these guys who...
01:37:56.000 You have to follow injuries.
01:37:57.000 You have to make sure...
01:37:58.000 How's his ankle?
01:37:59.000 I heard that guy's got a bad ankle.
01:38:01.000 What's going on with his neck?
01:38:02.000 And this guy's got some new surgery for his fucking hip.
01:38:05.000 Hmm, okay, take that into consideration.
01:38:07.000 This guy dropped the ball last week.
01:38:09.000 Oh, we've got to factor that in.
01:38:10.000 There's X amount of players on this team and Y amount of players on that team.
01:38:14.000 And they're all trying to move a ball across the line with all these random variables.
01:38:19.000 And it's not just who's going to win and who's going to lose, but it's like by how many points.
01:38:23.000 Yeah.
01:38:24.000 And they're right so often.
01:38:26.000 I know.
01:38:26.000 They're right so...
01:38:27.000 My friend Joey Diaz says you never see a bookie with a part-time job.
01:38:32.000 That.
01:38:32.000 That's Joey.
01:38:33.000 Yeah.
01:38:35.000 Yeah, I don't get it.
01:38:37.000 But when you would think about it, if people can understand the stock market, which they sort of can, and there's so much money involved in the stock market, they would be able to figure out the variables involved in any sort of athletic gambling, too.
01:38:49.000 If there's money involved, someone's going to try to do really well at it.
01:38:54.000 Insurance is that way, you know?
01:38:57.000 There's a bunch of people that are way smarter than you who are cranking away at machines going, what should we charge to make sure that we come out of this well?
01:39:06.000 Yeah, and how do we fuck these people over when they do win or they do have a legitimate claim?
01:39:12.000 How do we draw it out so we...
01:39:14.000 Make as much money in interest during the time where we...
01:39:17.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:39:18.000 While they're waiting, yeah.
01:39:18.000 Yeah, I mean, that's what they do.
01:39:20.000 That's why they...
01:39:20.000 I mean, the more...
01:39:21.000 And the more they can get you to give up...
01:39:24.000 I mean, some people just give up when faced with adversity.
01:39:26.000 Yeah.
01:39:26.000 Faced with a challenge, like, you know, you're going to have to dispute this claim.
01:39:29.000 Oh, fuck.
01:39:31.000 A lot of people just give up.
01:39:32.000 They just fold up shop.
01:39:33.000 Well, maybe they're just picking their battles, right?
01:39:35.000 They're like, look, it's not even worth it to me to fight this one.
01:39:39.000 I'm going to save that energy for something else.
01:39:41.000 Yeah, well, there's definitely that.
01:39:43.000 And there's other people that go, you know what?
01:39:44.000 I don't care if this costs me a million dollars to win $100,000.
01:39:47.000 It's the principle, yeah.
01:39:48.000 Exactly.
01:39:48.000 Those people are dangerous.
01:39:50.000 I had a great experience with my cell phone.
01:39:55.000 It was stolen, I think.
01:40:00.000 And, yeah, insurance fixed it all up.
01:40:03.000 I just got a new phone.
01:40:04.000 Really?
01:40:05.000 Yeah, because I was paying for it, though.
01:40:07.000 I paid for the best insurance replacement policy, and all I had to do was go in and say, yeah, this honestly was stolen.
01:40:14.000 I'm not lying to you.
01:40:15.000 Check a box.
01:40:16.000 And then the next day, they mailed me a brand new phone.
01:40:19.000 Well, what's really crazy is people that have jewelry, and they have insurance on their jewelry.
01:40:24.000 I know a woman who lost a very expensive diamond ring, and she filed an insurance claim, got paid, and then found it in a jacket pocket years later.
01:40:37.000 We're good to go.
01:41:03.000 Right.
01:41:09.000 Right.
01:41:14.000 Right.
01:41:25.000 Yeah.
01:41:25.000 You can't prove who, you file a police report, and then you get the money.
01:41:29.000 And then you can just put the ring on in the darkness like fucking Gollum.
01:41:33.000 Right, right.
01:41:34.000 Precious.
01:41:34.000 Well, that's how I felt because this phone, I know where I left it, and it was kind of in a public place.
01:41:41.000 And then it was gone.
01:41:42.000 And I'm like, I'm really sure I left it here.
01:41:46.000 I'm sure it was taken.
01:41:48.000 Why would someone take a phone, though, too?
01:41:50.000 Everyone's phone has a lock on it.
01:41:51.000 What are you going to do with that thing?
01:41:53.000 Well, you can just reset the whole thing, right?
01:41:56.000 Yeah, but find my phone.
01:41:57.000 Especially with iPhones.
01:41:59.000 People have been busted before.
01:42:01.000 That's happened many times.
01:42:03.000 A TSA worker got busted because they stole an iPad.
01:42:05.000 I saw an iPad, yeah.
01:42:06.000 Good, fuck them.
01:42:08.000 Fucking criminals.
01:42:09.000 Yeah, I took it.
01:42:10.000 Yeah.
01:42:12.000 And they found it.
01:42:13.000 They traced it to the person's house.
01:42:15.000 Yeah, I watched the episode where the guy's like, yeah, you know, there's an iPad in here.
01:42:19.000 And he's like, what?
01:42:19.000 No, it's my wife's.
01:42:20.000 And they're like, well...
01:42:22.000 Yeah.
01:42:22.000 No, it's not.
01:42:23.000 That was really awkward, yeah.
01:42:25.000 Yeah, super awkward.
01:42:27.000 Yeah, how do they...
01:42:29.000 What do they do with Android phones?
01:42:31.000 Do they have a similar...
01:42:32.000 Yeah, yeah, they do.
01:42:33.000 Like a Find My Phone feature?
01:42:35.000 Yeah.
01:42:37.000 And I've been using this thing called Google Now, which is really pretty fun.
01:42:46.000 I usually never update things.
01:42:48.000 I never allow things to know my location.
01:42:50.000 But this one, I'm like, I'm going to just see what it does.
01:42:52.000 And it was able to determine where I lived, where my girlfriend lived.
01:42:56.000 It knows that I like Taco Bell.
01:42:58.000 So it'll just tell me when I come to new cities.
01:43:00.000 It's like, okay, there's a Taco Bell eight minutes away.
01:43:04.000 Here's a conversion between the currency you usually spend and the currency that they use where you are now.
01:43:08.000 Here's some things that you might want to do based on where you're standing.
01:43:11.000 And I'm like, whoa.
01:43:13.000 Yeah, it's getting really squirrely with Google.
01:43:16.000 I love it.
01:43:16.000 I love it for convenience.
01:43:18.000 But man, if you ever did something illegal, you're fucked.
01:43:23.000 By who?
01:43:23.000 I said if you ever did something illegal and wanted to track your whereabouts.
01:43:27.000 Oh, oh.
01:43:28.000 You're not.
01:43:28.000 I mean, it's all documented.
01:43:30.000 Nuts that we are carrying around devices that tell our locations and speeds.
01:43:34.000 Yep.
01:43:35.000 Our speeds.
01:43:36.000 Speeds.
01:43:36.000 Yeah.
01:43:37.000 If you're speeding, they can determine it from your cell phone.
01:43:39.000 Yeah.
01:43:39.000 Yeah, that's a fact.
01:43:41.000 As you clip these different stations, these different cell ports, or whatever they are, channels, towers, towers, right?
01:43:49.000 And satellites, too.
01:43:49.000 Yeah.
01:43:50.000 Satellites?
01:43:50.000 Yeah, because your GPS is all satellite-based, so even if you have no connection, you can still use the GPS to know your location.
01:43:59.000 Is that true?
01:44:00.000 That's true, yeah.
01:44:01.000 It used to be that GPS was on your phone, essentially.
01:44:06.000 It was calculating it from cell phone towers.
01:44:11.000 Now it's straight GPS. I'm sure there's different ways that it works, but I know that when I was in the radio quiet zone in West Virginia, there's no...
01:44:28.000 I'm probably behind the times on the information, because I know the old cell phones didn't work, the GPS didn't work, the navigation didn't work when you had no service.
01:44:39.000 Right.
01:44:40.000 I think it can pull up where you are and how fast you're moving, but it You need the data plan to get the images of the ground and the roads and where's the nearest thing.
01:44:50.000 That's all from data.
01:44:51.000 I mean, it depends what your plan is and what device you're using, but...
01:44:56.000 There's going to come a time where you're not going to be able to drive.
01:44:58.000 It's coming really soon.
01:45:00.000 That's another Google thing, these damn Google cars.
01:45:02.000 The self-driving cars.
01:45:03.000 Yeah.
01:45:04.000 Well, it's way safer, right?
01:45:06.000 Mm-hmm.
01:45:07.000 Nerf the world.
01:45:08.000 Take out all the fun.
01:45:09.000 I had a panic attack on the way here, by the way.
01:45:12.000 Uh oh.
01:45:12.000 Yeah, I was driving and I just all of a sudden thought, what if my sight disappeared immediately?
01:45:21.000 And I was going so fast in this car that it would be terrible.
01:45:24.000 And that started freaking me out.
01:45:27.000 That's funny because I had a similar dream recently.
01:45:30.000 It wasn't what if my sight disappeared.
01:45:32.000 It's what if I had to navigate without sight.
01:45:34.000 And this is the strangest fucking dream and I can't believe I'm remembering this.
01:45:38.000 Someone, I don't know who the person was, but they were very familiar to me.
01:45:44.000 They were driving by putting their hand across their eyes and resting it on a mattress.
01:45:52.000 So they were driving from a mattress, looking down.
01:45:55.000 There was no visual whatsoever.
01:45:58.000 And then they were steering.
01:46:00.000 And they were like, you just got to go on your instincts.
01:46:01.000 I was like, what the fuck are you talking about?
01:46:04.000 And they were moving a car from...
01:46:06.000 From, like, without seeing where they were going at all, I'm like, how do you know where you're going?
01:46:10.000 Like, well, I know the path.
01:46:12.000 And I know how fast I'm going.
01:46:13.000 I'm like, oh, this is so fucking crazy.
01:46:14.000 And then I woke up.
01:46:15.000 It was one of those, like, this is just too much.
01:46:17.000 I gotta wake up.
01:46:18.000 And I woke up, and for whatever reason, I remember this.
01:46:20.000 But the idea of relying entirely on the sense of sight.
01:46:25.000 That's the one sense that you use to determine where you are and where you're going.
01:46:29.000 And it was just the craziest thing to me that all this was being done without that.
01:46:34.000 Without it.
01:46:35.000 I think of it in terms of submarines.
01:46:38.000 Submarines freak me the fuck out because there's no windows in those goddamn things.
01:46:43.000 It's just a metal tube that's relying on radar.
01:46:45.000 And you're in the ocean and you're fucking moving around all this water pressure and there's rocks around and you have to rely on this radar.
01:46:55.000 And if the radar goes out, you're piloting this huge tube through the ocean with no idea of what's around you.
01:47:03.000 Yeah.
01:47:05.000 That's crazy.
01:47:07.000 Submarines are fucking crazy.
01:47:09.000 I mean, they figured out how to pilot things with sound and use radar waves to figure out where objects are and sonar.
01:47:20.000 That's just bizarre.
01:47:22.000 Yeah, it is.
01:47:24.000 And the suits that we built to make that all possible are what inspired spacesuits.
01:47:29.000 Mm-hmm.
01:47:32.000 Never been on a submarine.
01:47:34.000 How crazy is fucking James Cameron?
01:47:35.000 Speaking about rich billionaires.
01:47:37.000 Yeah.
01:47:38.000 He's so rich that that's like your hobby.
01:47:39.000 Deepest depths of the earth.
01:47:41.000 He went to the deepest depths of the ocean.
01:47:44.000 He's like the first guy to do the Mariana Trench by himself.
01:47:47.000 Yeah.
01:47:49.000 Crazy fuck.
01:47:50.000 All to make Avatar 2. Supposedly.
01:47:53.000 Or as an excuse to make Avatar 2. That's clever.
01:47:58.000 Well, that's one of those...
01:47:59.000 He's one of those guys that were like, what would you do if you had X amount of money?
01:48:03.000 Well, that's what he would do.
01:48:05.000 Yeah, and he's doing it.
01:48:06.000 Yeah.
01:48:07.000 I mean, a lot of people would say, like, what would you do if you had...
01:48:09.000 You know, fucking 50 billion dollars and all the resources in the world and all these engineers working for you.
01:48:15.000 And what would you do?
01:48:15.000 Well, I'd probably devise the greatest submarine ever.
01:48:20.000 I was wondering, what are the biggest wishes?
01:48:22.000 Like, if you could just have one wish, what would you wish for?
01:48:26.000 Has anyone surveyed the population and been like, well, most people actually wish that they could fly?
01:48:32.000 Or they wish for money.
01:48:34.000 Or they wish for x-ray vision.
01:48:36.000 I want to see a list of the top 10 most wished wishes.
01:48:40.000 They'd probably wish to have infinite wishes.
01:48:43.000 But isn't that like a trick?
01:48:45.000 Isn't that in a children's book?
01:48:47.000 Yeah, you're not allowed to wish for more wishes.
01:48:48.000 That's always important.
01:48:49.000 Yeah, that's the number one caveat.
01:48:51.000 Yeah.
01:48:52.000 You're allowed to...
01:48:53.000 What would you wish for if it was you?
01:48:59.000 Well, great.
01:48:59.000 Now I'm having to answer this myself.
01:49:01.000 Yeah, why wouldn't you, though?
01:49:03.000 If you were going to ask it, why wouldn't you try to answer it yourself?
01:49:06.000 Well, I mean, you know, my answer should be that my wish is that there's complete peace on Earth and everyone's happy.
01:49:13.000 Right.
01:49:15.000 That's what it would be?
01:49:17.000 Yeah, but you know what?
01:49:17.000 That's the kind of wish that could easily...
01:49:19.000 You had to be careful what you wish for.
01:49:21.000 For how long?
01:49:22.000 Right.
01:49:22.000 For how long?
01:49:23.000 And also, what does it mean that everyone's happy?
01:49:24.000 Yeah.
01:49:25.000 Is it that nothing changes, but everyone just has this contentness that won't go away?
01:49:29.000 Everyone's on Prozac.
01:49:31.000 Yeah.
01:49:31.000 So everyone's got this SSRI move.
01:49:34.000 And then I'm like, that's not what I meant!
01:49:35.000 But, um...
01:49:37.000 I don't know.
01:49:38.000 I don't think flying would be that cool.
01:49:40.000 It'd be fun, kind of, but it'd be too windy.
01:49:42.000 I'd have to build a suit...
01:49:46.000 Yeah, the ability to teleport.
01:49:49.000 I want to be in New Zealand now.
01:49:50.000 Yeah.
01:49:52.000 I'm in New Zealand.
01:49:53.000 Teleport.
01:49:56.000 How many times would you be able to do it?
01:49:57.000 Would you be able to do it blinking?
01:50:00.000 Would you be able to do it as long as you're alive?
01:50:02.000 Yeah, and then also, when you teleported, would it still be you?
01:50:06.000 That's a huge question about teleportation.
01:50:09.000 It's like, well, wait, if I assemble a bunch of atoms somewhere else to exactly replicate you, is that you?
01:50:17.000 Well, here's the real tricky one.
01:50:20.000 Our memories.
01:50:21.000 Memories are always very strange.
01:50:25.000 My memories of yesterday.
01:50:26.000 Here's a perfect example.
01:50:27.000 I had a great time yesterday.
01:50:29.000 I had a really fun podcast.
01:50:32.000 Then I went and did two comedy shows at two different comedy clubs.
01:50:35.000 I drove around.
01:50:36.000 I hung out with my kids.
01:50:38.000 I had a great yesterday.
01:50:40.000 But my memory of it is quite sketchy.
01:50:42.000 Sure.
01:50:43.000 I can recall...
01:50:45.000 Things in my head that I'm reasonably sure I did, but it's pretty sketchy.
01:50:50.000 And then I went to sleep.
01:50:52.000 I shut off and I woke up and I woke up with the memory of this life.
01:50:58.000 And how do I even know that that's all the stuff that really happened?
01:51:02.000 How do I not know that I just started my life today?
01:51:05.000 Yeah, that's a great question.
01:51:06.000 How can you prove that the universe didn't start 10 seconds ago?
01:51:11.000 Or your life didn't start 10 seconds ago.
01:51:14.000 Or at the very least, when you arose, when your consciousness...
01:51:18.000 I mean, you know for sure, reasonably sure, that you were unconscious and then you became conscious this morning.
01:51:25.000 And when you became conscious this morning, you're like, where am I? I'm in my bed.
01:51:29.000 What time is it?
01:51:30.000 Let me check my phone.
01:51:31.000 What's today?
01:51:32.000 I think it's Wednesday.
01:51:34.000 Okay, what do I do today?
01:51:35.000 Oh, I have Michael from Vsauce is coming over.
01:51:38.000 He's going to do a podcast.
01:51:39.000 That's going to be cool.
01:51:40.000 Okay, cool.
01:51:41.000 And I'm assuming based on my memory that this is the life that I've chosen and that this is the path that I'm on and this is the events that are going to take place based on my iPhone calendar or whatever.
01:51:52.000 But the reality is it's mostly just memory of a life that I've assumed that I've lived.
01:51:58.000 Yeah.
01:51:58.000 When I was a kid, I would freak myself out by just thinking about how I was trapped in my own mind.
01:52:05.000 No one else was ever going to see out of my eyes.
01:52:07.000 No one else was me.
01:52:08.000 And it really made me feel lonely and trapped.
01:52:15.000 But isn't that, of all the people I could have been seeing out of all the minds I could have been on this one, That's a weird thing to freak out about.
01:52:24.000 That's a very specific way to look at it.
01:52:26.000 That you're trapped in your own mind and you felt lonely because you were trapped in your own mind.
01:52:32.000 I've never felt that.
01:52:34.000 No one would ever look out of my eyes.
01:52:39.000 And be my head.
01:52:43.000 But maybe they will.
01:52:44.000 You know, the idea that we can record with a phone.
01:52:48.000 Yeah.
01:52:49.000 You know, you can record video and audio.
01:52:51.000 I could show you some stuff that happened yesterday.
01:52:55.000 Right, right.
01:52:55.000 Like, look, this is a bird landed on my porch.
01:52:58.000 Look at that cool little bird.
01:52:59.000 There's a video of it.
01:53:00.000 You can see the bird.
01:53:01.000 Oh, there's a video.
01:53:01.000 That's sort of time capture, right?
01:53:04.000 I've captured a moment in time.
01:53:07.000 There's gonna come a point in time where there's a much more sophisticated way of doing that and I think it's going to be based on like some sort of a virtual reality Oculus Rift type situation where we're going to have whether it'll be a Google Lens, a contact lens or whether it'll be some sort of a neural implant That's able to accurately record what you see and what you experience.
01:53:27.000 And then they're going to take it to the next level.
01:53:29.000 And the really advanced versions of it, we're going to be able to record emotions and touch and feeling and the battles that you have in your mind of perception.
01:53:41.000 The battles of is this person being mean or are they just doing their job or how do I go with this?
01:53:48.000 Is this traffic annoying or is it fascinating?
01:53:51.000 There's all these cars.
01:53:53.000 What's my take on this?
01:53:55.000 And how do I choose to perceive the world?
01:53:57.000 Because that's a lot of what the world is.
01:54:00.000 The choices that you make in perception.
01:54:02.000 It's not just the perception itself, but how do you interpret that perception and what do you decide that it means?
01:54:08.000 Yeah.
01:54:09.000 And, you know, maybe you could, like, have insight as to why a person's fucked up.
01:54:13.000 Like, there's some woe-is-me people that are really annoying.
01:54:16.000 Like, everything is woe-is-me.
01:54:18.000 This always happens.
01:54:19.000 This is bullshit.
01:54:20.000 And, you know, is it...
01:54:22.000 Could you get in their head and could you find, like, oh, you've got a hitch here.
01:54:26.000 Right.
01:54:26.000 And how you look at stuff.
01:54:28.000 Right.
01:54:28.000 Like, you automatically, you've developed a pattern where you automatically assume the world's out to get you.
01:54:33.000 Like, I know a dude, and he's, I wouldn't say he's smart, because he's socially very dumb, but he collects a lot of information, and he believes that he's smart.
01:54:46.000 Because he collects a lot of information.
01:54:48.000 What does collect information mean?
01:54:50.000 Like he learns facts?
01:54:52.000 Well, he runs a podcast and he's a conspiracy theorist to the maximum.
01:54:56.000 He believes in chemtrails and anyone who disagrees with him is an idiot.
01:55:00.000 He's super confrontational about it.
01:55:01.000 But he thinks that he's really bright.
01:55:04.000 But anybody who...
01:55:05.000 Listens to his podcast whose objective could say there's something wrong with this guy.
01:55:09.000 Like, he thinks everyone's a CIA disinformation agent.
01:55:14.000 And, like, it's really, really bizarre when you listen to...
01:55:16.000 Like, he's accused me of being a disinformation agent for the CIA or the FBI. I thought you were.
01:55:22.000 Are you not?
01:55:22.000 Not anymore.
01:55:23.000 Oh, okay.
01:55:23.000 It's so fucking stupid.
01:55:25.000 But he, in his mind...
01:55:27.000 He makes all these connections.
01:55:29.000 Right.
01:55:29.000 And he believes these conspiracies abound and that they're everywhere.
01:55:32.000 And I would love to see what's wrong with his brain.
01:55:35.000 I would love to go on a schematic tour of the synapses and how they fire and go, oh, you've got Asperger's.
01:55:44.000 Oh, you've got a disease.
01:55:46.000 Yeah.
01:55:48.000 Conspiracies are fascinating.
01:55:49.000 It's like you can't admit that just stuff happens.
01:55:53.000 It has to all be part of some plan.
01:55:55.000 It has to all be controlled by some, like, organization or person.
01:55:59.000 Well, this is why.
01:56:00.000 Because some of them are real.
01:56:02.000 This is why conspiracies are fascinating to people.
01:56:05.000 Like, a lot of folks want to be in the no-nonsense crowd.
01:56:08.000 And they want to say, well, you know, conspiracy theories are...
01:56:11.000 People can't admit that things just happened.
01:56:13.000 Okay, but here's a good one.
01:56:15.000 Yeah.
01:56:16.000 9-11.
01:56:17.000 Do you think that 9-11 happened?
01:56:20.000 Meaning, do you think that planes flew into towers and people died?
01:56:25.000 Do you think that that happened?
01:56:26.000 Yeah, I do.
01:56:27.000 Okay, well then you believe in conspiracies.
01:56:30.000 Because, what's the conspiracy?
01:56:32.000 That people conspired to do that.
01:56:34.000 Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:56:35.000 That was a very organized event.
01:56:36.000 Sure, sure.
01:56:37.000 But I'm talking about the, like, things are being hidden from us.
01:56:40.000 Okay.
01:56:41.000 Do you believe that the government has tried to hide things from people?
01:56:45.000 Oh, they have, for sure.
01:56:46.000 Right.
01:56:46.000 Yeah.
01:56:46.000 So then they're real, and the events have actually taken place.
01:56:51.000 If events, like...
01:56:53.000 Like Operation Northwoods.
01:56:55.000 Are you aware of Operation Northwoods?
01:56:57.000 No.
01:56:57.000 It's one of the ones that conspiracy theorists love to point to because it's pretty fascinating.
01:57:01.000 In 1962, this was signed by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and Operation Northwoods was a plan to get the support of the American public for a war against Cuba.
01:57:14.000 And what they were going to do is they were going to blow up a drone airliner.
01:57:17.000 They were going to blame it on Cuba.
01:57:19.000 Ah, yeah.
01:57:19.000 Okay.
01:57:20.000 Have you heard this?
01:57:21.000 I think I read about false flag operations, all these things, and that one came up.
01:57:25.000 This is one of the big ones, because it was right around the time where we were considering going to war with Cuba, because Cuba was allied with the Soviet Union, the whole deal.
01:57:36.000 And they were going to arm Cuban friendlies and attack Guantanamo Bay and kill American soldiers.
01:57:42.000 I mean, there was a whole series of events that they were planning.
01:57:46.000 This was all vetoed by Kennedy.
01:57:48.000 And it was a real false flag plan.
01:57:53.000 And if you look at that, you realize, well, that's how they think.
01:57:57.000 Like, the people that were running the government at that point in time, at least, in 1962, there was a certain faction of them that thinks this way.
01:58:04.000 Yeah.
01:58:05.000 Everything evolves, including evil.
01:58:08.000 Everything.
01:58:08.000 Changes, evolves, becomes more complicated, becomes more, you know, they get better, they innovate.
01:58:14.000 Everything.
01:58:15.000 It's just the way things go.
01:58:16.000 Nothing stays still.
01:58:18.000 Everything must elevate.
01:58:20.000 Including It's conspiracies.
01:58:22.000 I mean, if that's the case, if Operation Northwoods was really signed by the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the Freedom of Information Act, the documents that have been released show that it was, if that's the case, and no one went to jail for that, because no one did, those are fucking criminals.
01:58:36.000 I mean, those guys were planning on killing the children of Americans who went over and We're working as soldiers, believing that they were defending freedom and all this jazz, but they were going to be killed by other American soldiers or other American military people who are working in cahoots with the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
01:58:57.000 That's crazy.
01:58:58.000 It's an amazing, amazing fact.
01:59:02.000 So if that is true, you look at things like that and you've got to go, okay, well, of course people believe in conspiracies.
01:59:09.000 If you don't believe in conspiracies, I believe you're infantile.
01:59:13.000 I believe it's a silly thing to think that the government doesn't conspire.
01:59:17.000 When you hear that Dick Cheney and George Bush were considering a false flag attack that they were going to say that Iran had attacked America, this was something they had considered before they left office.
01:59:31.000 So, the problem is that there are conspiracies.
01:59:35.000 But then there's another problem is that people see them in everything.
01:59:38.000 They see them in things that aren't conspiracies.
01:59:40.000 Like, they see chemtrails.
01:59:41.000 They believe that contrails that are created when jet engines pass through certain levels of condensation in the atmosphere is actually the government spraying artificial clouds over us.
01:59:50.000 Where does that idea begin?
01:59:52.000 The chemtrail idea?
01:59:53.000 Yeah.
01:59:54.000 Begins with just...
01:59:56.000 Someone said, like, I feel different now than I did before airplanes flew over.
02:00:00.000 I wonder if...
02:00:01.000 Their government created a chemical that makes us all obey them.
02:00:05.000 Have you ever seen Prince talk about it?
02:00:07.000 No way!
02:00:08.000 Prince, the artist, the musician.
02:00:10.000 Yes!
02:00:10.000 Prince, the artist, was doing an interview.
02:00:12.000 Yeah.
02:00:12.000 And in the interview, he was talking about chemtrails, and he was talking about growing up, and that, you know, when he was a kid, he would see these trails in the sky, and then all of a sudden, everyone would be fighting.
02:00:24.000 Everyone was fighting.
02:00:26.000 And I was, like, wondering.
02:00:27.000 They're spraying things.
02:00:28.000 It's making everybody fighting.
02:00:29.000 Like, whoa, what the fuck are you on, Prince?
02:00:32.000 And he believes that today?
02:00:33.000 Yeah.
02:00:33.000 I don't know.
02:00:34.000 You'd have to ask him.
02:00:35.000 You'd have to ask him.
02:00:37.000 See if you can find that.
02:00:38.000 You got it?
02:00:39.000 Okay.
02:00:40.000 We'll pull it up.
02:00:41.000 Okay.
02:00:41.000 It's quite hilarious.
02:00:44.000 First of all, obviously, he has formulated this incredibly complex theory that these people are being quiet, that thousands of pilots, hundreds of pilots, whatever, engineers, people that have armed the planes, all these people have formulated these Methods of distributing some sort of unheard of chemical that can cause people to be aggressive and fight and only target the hood.
02:01:11.000 You're spraying it in the sky.
02:01:13.000 You spray it 30,000 feet up, but yet it's targeted.
02:01:16.000 But he's formulated this, but made no attempt whatsoever to understand, A, is this possible?
02:01:24.000 B, is there a disbursement method of doing it?
02:01:27.000 C, what are these trails that are in the sky?
02:01:29.000 What are these artificial clouds that everyone's so freaking out about?
02:01:33.000 Well, they're not artificial clouds.
02:01:34.000 They're clouds that are created artificially.
02:01:36.000 That's all they are is clouds.
02:01:38.000 The reason why they look like clouds is because they are clouds.
02:01:40.000 They're water vapor.
02:01:41.000 Yeah.
02:01:42.000 A jet engine passes through condensation.
02:01:44.000 It changes because of the jet engine, the heat of the engine, the spinning of the turbines, the whole deal.
02:01:50.000 The reason why it looks like they're spraying clouds is because they're making clouds with the engine, and it only occurs occasionally.
02:01:56.000 This is all provable stuff.
02:02:20.000 He's a former software guy.
02:02:23.000 He made video games.
02:02:25.000 And he became fascinated by debunking really complex things like this.
02:02:31.000 Where people have all these psychological connections to these things.
02:02:35.000 He calls it the training wheels of conspiracy theories.
02:02:38.000 Because you see them.
02:02:39.000 You see, like, what is that?
02:02:40.000 Are they spraying things?
02:02:41.000 What is that?
02:02:44.000 God damn it!
02:02:45.000 But nobody wants to look into it deep enough to...
02:02:49.000 You know, to sort of debunk the whole thing, but yet Prince will go on television and have this really detailed idea that he has in his head.
02:02:57.000 Here, we'll play it.
02:02:58.000 Yeah, please.
02:02:59.000 It's quite hilarious.
02:03:00.000 I want to go back to Jack Johnson because he's still in the back of my head.
02:03:02.000 I can't get him out of my head where this conversation is concerned.
02:03:07.000 Who have you felt most often like in the ring fighting the record industry?
02:03:14.000 Like Jack or the opponent?
02:03:16.000 Oh, like Jack.
02:03:17.000 Like Jack?
02:03:18.000 Tell me why.
02:03:20.000 Well, because I knew I was right.
02:03:22.000 You know, we talked about this in our very first interview and conversation together.
02:03:29.000 It's obvious now that artists are supposed to own their master recordings.
02:03:33.000 I mean in the future it'll be unconscionable to even think you can take somebody's creation and claim ownership of it.
02:03:41.000 See unfortunately this discussion is going to start to barrel into a discussion about the human genome and the DNA and all the rest of it.
02:03:50.000 When it gets there then we're going to be in the deep water.
02:03:55.000 See, so it's better to start the conversation now before we get into God talk, you know?
02:04:04.000 You sure this is the right video?
02:04:06.000 There are four songs that I want to ask you about.
02:04:10.000 And I did what I have never done before, which is to actually print these lyrics out.
02:04:14.000 Some of them, since the record is so new, I'm learning some of them.
02:04:17.000 Just scoot ahead a little bit.
02:04:19.000 See what the fuck this is.
02:04:21.000 They know more about all of us.
02:04:22.000 Because what he said affects all of us.
02:04:27.000 What he said online or wherever.
02:04:30.000 And try to get a copy of it and just listen to it.
02:04:32.000 Okay, you gotta listen to this before you- This is not the right shit.
02:04:37.000 Find the right shit, will ya?
02:04:38.000 Um, the, um, there is a video.
02:04:41.000 Yeah.
02:04:41.000 And, uh, it is that video.
02:04:42.000 And, uh, it is in that conversation.
02:04:45.000 He talks about Kim Trails.
02:04:46.000 But, see where he said that?
02:04:47.000 Like, you know- Right.
02:05:09.000 Program that has been devised to understand the ingredients, the very components of human life, but yet you haven't looked at all into this whole plain spring fake clouds thing.
02:05:25.000 Yeah.
02:05:26.000 Enough to understand that.
02:05:27.000 First of all, they think it's like aluminum and barium.
02:05:30.000 Well, aluminum and barium doesn't look like water vapor.
02:05:32.000 Do you understand that?
02:05:33.000 Like if they were spraying aluminum...
02:05:35.000 Me saying this right now, I will be accused of being a paid disinformation agent.
02:05:41.000 Just because I simply...
02:05:43.000 I believe there are real conspiracies.
02:05:45.000 I believe there's a real threat to security, peace, prosperity in this world.
02:05:49.000 But it's not planes making fake clouds, you know?
02:05:53.000 And if people really want to look at...
02:05:56.000 Chemtrails and the dangers of these jets.
02:05:58.000 Look at all the instances of diseases where people live close to airports.
02:06:02.000 That's the real issue.
02:06:04.000 The real issue when it comes to air travel is the fact that this is not a free ride.
02:06:08.000 No one rides for free in any way shape or form.
02:06:11.000 And when you're burning propellant And it gets dispersed through the atmosphere.
02:06:15.000 The people that are on the ground, they're breathing that shit.
02:06:18.000 And if you breathe that shit, that's the real danger.
02:06:20.000 The real concern is not these artificial clouds.
02:06:24.000 The real concern is the fact that you're burning fuel in the sky at a rate of thousands and thousands of flights a day.
02:06:34.000 That's what's going on.
02:06:35.000 There's a direct correlation between lung diseases and instances of asthma and all directly related to people living close to airports.
02:06:45.000 That's the real chemtrails.
02:06:47.000 That's real.
02:06:48.000 There really are burning fuel.
02:06:50.000 But it's just pollution.
02:06:51.000 It's not a special chemical designed by the government.
02:06:55.000 Who is the government?
02:06:56.000 Like, I got five guys all in a room.
02:06:58.000 We're like, don't tell the rest of the...
02:06:59.000 Reptile people.
02:07:00.000 Reptile people.
02:07:01.000 Don't tell the rest of the planet.
02:07:03.000 But we've created a chemical that will make people want to fight.
02:07:06.000 Yeah.
02:07:06.000 Did you find it, Jamie?
02:07:07.000 Yeah, I got to switch the sound back over here.
02:07:09.000 Okay, here it goes.
02:07:10.000 This is one of my most favorite clips.
02:07:16.000 Phenomena of chemtrails.
02:07:19.000 And...
02:07:20.000 You know, when I was a kid, I used to see these trails in the sky all the time.
02:07:26.000 And so that's cool.
02:07:28.000 A jet just went over.
02:07:30.000 And then you started to see a whole bunch of them.
02:07:33.000 And the next thing you know, everybody in your neighborhood was fighting and arguing and you didn't know why.
02:07:39.000 And you really didn't know why.
02:07:42.000 I mean, everybody was fighting.
02:07:44.000 So he started riffing about the chemtrails.
02:07:52.000 And he started to say things that hit home so hard and I would recommend that everybody try to get what he said online or wherever and try to get a copy of it and just listen to it because I was so moved that I had to write this song.
02:08:13.000 Wait, which song?
02:08:14.000 What song are you writing about chemtrails?
02:08:15.000 First of all, if that hits home, move.
02:08:23.000 Okay?
02:08:24.000 If that hits home, these planes are making people fight, you need to move to a new home because your home is retarded.
02:08:33.000 I want to hear this song.
02:08:36.000 I don't want to hear the song.
02:08:37.000 I love Prince.
02:08:38.000 He's got some great songs, but he's a complex dude who's filled with emotions and not a lot of critical thinking when it comes to things like this.
02:08:45.000 You know, the idea that somebody told him some nonsense.
02:08:49.000 And now, you know, in his defense, pre-internet, that was a lot of the ways that information was shared.
02:08:56.000 I mean, how many conversations were having?
02:08:58.000 Dude, did you hear that the government's doing this thing?
02:09:00.000 And some of them...
02:09:02.000 Some of them are so ridiculous, they seem like conspiracies, but are real, like the gay bomb.
02:09:08.000 Did you ever hear about the gay bomb?
02:09:10.000 I've heard things like it, yeah.
02:09:12.000 Yeah, the government actively tried to figure out a way to make a bomb where they could ignite it in the air, blow it up in the air, detonate it, rather, and it would cause everyone on the ground to fall in love with each other and be gay, and they would lose the will to fight.
02:09:25.000 Right.
02:09:25.000 Yeah.
02:09:26.000 That was like a real plan.
02:09:28.000 But yeah, before the...
02:09:31.000 The internet and, like, mobile phones, you couldn't easily just, like, fact-check stuff people told you.
02:09:36.000 So urban legends, I think, were way easier to spread.
02:09:39.000 They still spread!
02:09:41.000 They still spread, but it's like, if you would just bother to look it up, you'd easily find that that's not true.
02:09:46.000 But when I was a kid, the thing with the girl and the hot dogs, and that, well, it did happen.
02:09:52.000 The girl with the hot dogs?
02:09:53.000 I'm just coming...
02:09:54.000 What story is this?
02:09:56.000 It's a little graphic, but...
02:09:58.000 A girl gets a hot dog stuck inside her.
02:10:01.000 Right.
02:10:01.000 And it wasn't until I grew up that I started talking with people who grew up in different cities.
02:10:09.000 And they all knew the same story about this girl.
02:10:12.000 And it's like, wait a second.
02:10:14.000 Right.
02:10:15.000 This never happened.
02:10:16.000 Or maybe it has happened, but this wasn't something that happened in my community.
02:10:21.000 Yeah.
02:10:21.000 Well, that's the story.
02:10:23.000 When someone ever...
02:10:24.000 When someone creates...
02:10:26.000 Like, even something that really happens...
02:10:28.000 Like, I had a buddy who...
02:10:29.000 He's an ophthalmologist, and he did his residency in Miami during the cocaine years.
02:10:34.000 And he dealt with a lot of really crazy stuff.
02:10:38.000 Like, he saw gunshot wounds and all.
02:10:41.000 But he said, by far, the craziest things...
02:10:45.000 That were the most like, wait, what?
02:10:47.000 Where people with things stuck up their ass.
02:10:50.000 Yeah.
02:10:50.000 And he said, like, everything you can imagine, electric toothbrushes, light bulbs, like, they pulled out of people's asses.
02:10:59.000 Like, if you can imagine it, like, the urban legends pale in comparison to the actual truth of pistols.
02:11:05.000 They found a pistol that was stuffed up this guy's ass.
02:11:08.000 Yeah, they stuffed a fucking.38 caliber pistol in his ass.
02:11:12.000 If you think about fisting, if someone can fist, if you can fit that in your butt...
02:11:17.000 You can fit a lot of stuff.
02:11:18.000 You can fit a gun.
02:11:19.000 Yeah.
02:11:19.000 Yeah.
02:11:20.000 And did he do that for fun, or was it a punishment, or was he trying to sneak the gun in somewhere?
02:11:24.000 That's a good question.
02:11:24.000 I don't think he's going to be honest.
02:11:26.000 Yeah.
02:11:27.000 Why do you have a pistol up your ass?
02:11:28.000 Well, the government is paying me to keep this pistol in my ass.
02:11:31.000 I don't know.
02:11:32.000 But the reality of pistols in your ass, that's about as bizarre as the Gerbil, Richard Gere Gerbil.
02:11:39.000 Remember that?
02:11:40.000 Right.
02:11:40.000 But when I first heard that story, I had no way of confirming or denying it.
02:11:45.000 It was just a story.
02:11:47.000 Well, I can give you a story on that story.
02:11:49.000 Yeah, please.
02:11:50.000 I don't know if it's true, but what I had heard was that this was when Richard Gere had left Scientology, and that one of the ways they got back at him was this horrible rumor.
02:11:57.000 How do you release that story, though?
02:11:59.000 I don't know, but my friend...
02:12:01.000 I'd like to know.
02:12:01.000 I'd like to know, too.
02:12:02.000 It might not even be true, but my friend Eddie grew up in L.A., and I grew up in Boston, and we met when we were both in our, like, 30s, and we had both heard the same rumor growing up.
02:12:15.000 So, somehow or another, that rumor got across the continent.
02:12:19.000 That's what I'm saying.
02:12:21.000 I heard these rumors.
02:12:22.000 I had friends who told me a story about a Famous fried chicken place in Chicago.
02:12:29.000 And this woman goes up there and orders a bunch of food.
02:12:34.000 Like a lot.
02:12:35.000 Like eight chickens.
02:12:37.000 Right, right, right.
02:12:38.000 And there's this funny conversation that they have.
02:12:41.000 And it ends with the woman going, you don't know my life.
02:12:44.000 And everyone told this.
02:12:46.000 I was told that this happened in this restaurant.
02:12:49.000 Mm-hmm.
02:12:50.000 Four years later, I'm driving around with this person who grew up in New York.
02:12:54.000 She tells me the same story.
02:12:56.000 And I'm like, what?
02:12:58.000 Is this just one of those things where everyone has a friend who saw this happen?
02:13:03.000 Right.
02:13:05.000 Which is really strange when you stop and think about the length of time between religious stories being told over campfires and through oral traditions and them actually being written down somewhere.
02:13:20.000 Yeah.
02:13:21.000 Because if that story about the woman at the chicken restaurant, which I didn't even tell very well, but it's not even very funny, but it's just that story was accepted as fact.
02:13:29.000 Yeah.
02:13:30.000 Yeah.
02:13:30.000 A very specific fact that occurred at a specific restaurant, and then I realized that it's just everyone has a friend who's had this experience.
02:13:38.000 Well, Hawaii is incredibly fascinating to me.
02:13:41.000 One, because it's just so beautiful, and two, because it's a volcano that just sort of popped out of the middle of the Pacific Ocean.
02:13:48.000 The most remote spot on Earth, in fact.
02:13:51.000 So remote, yeah.
02:13:52.000 It's incredible.
02:13:52.000 I love it.
02:13:53.000 It's my favorite place to visit.
02:13:54.000 But when I was there, I was talking to this guy.
02:13:56.000 I went on this fishing trip, and the guy who was the...
02:14:00.000 The captain of the boat, a really cool guy, was telling me about...
02:14:04.000 He actually grew up in California and then made his way out to Hawaii and decided to stay there.
02:14:11.000 And we were talking about the local traditions and the folklore involving how the islands were formed, how the stars were formed, and all their stuff was in songs.
02:14:23.000 Yeah, yeah.
02:14:24.000 Their whole history was just oral tradition.
02:14:27.000 I mean, it's a people, you know, the Polynesian people settled in Hawaii first, a people whose entire history was these very, very important stories that they told to each other, but they never really wrote them down.
02:14:42.000 Yeah.
02:14:43.000 Incredible.
02:14:44.000 Yeah.
02:14:45.000 And like the stars were sewn together by the gods.
02:14:48.000 Right.
02:14:48.000 And the maps they came up with were really, really cool.
02:14:52.000 Yeah.
02:14:55.000 I was just talking to someone about how the native New Zealanders put south up in their maps, right?
02:15:04.000 Not north.
02:15:05.000 And so if you actually look at New Zealand upside down, it looks like a fish and all this kind of thing.
02:15:11.000 And that's what they thought their land was.
02:15:13.000 It was this fish that was coming out of a boat or whatever it is.
02:15:16.000 And then we came and said, no, no, no, north's the other way.
02:15:20.000 It doesn't look like a fish.
02:15:22.000 We decided up was this way.
02:15:24.000 We decided that north was up, yeah.
02:15:25.000 That's so subjective, too, if you stop and think about what's up and what's down.
02:15:28.000 Yeah, I know.
02:15:29.000 Like, if the universe is this huge, giant, infinite thing and we're on a ball, who are you to say which way is up?
02:15:35.000 Yeah.
02:15:35.000 The whole thing's circular, it's spinning, it's spinning around another ball, and that ball's a part of a giant cluster that's spinning around a circle.
02:15:42.000 What the fuck?
02:15:43.000 How do you know what up is?
02:15:44.000 Which way's up?
02:15:45.000 I mean, we can agree that it's got to be one of two places.
02:15:47.000 Right.
02:15:48.000 Because there are poles that we're spinning around.
02:15:51.000 Yes.
02:15:51.000 But which one's north and which one's south?
02:15:53.000 Meaning, which one should we put up?
02:15:55.000 It's just a matter of convention that makes maps easier to read.
02:15:58.000 If you try to read an upside down map, which exists, where all the letters can be read, but the land masses are upside down, it's very confusing.
02:16:06.000 Oh, I'm sure.
02:16:07.000 But if you're standing in the south pole, up is above you.
02:16:14.000 That's up.
02:16:15.000 Yeah, and every direction you face is north.
02:16:19.000 There is no east or west standing on the South Pole.
02:16:22.000 What?
02:16:23.000 Yeah.
02:16:24.000 How's that work?
02:16:25.000 Well, you've run out of east-west-ness because there's no more circle around the earth.
02:16:34.000 Now you're just at a point.
02:16:35.000 Oh, I see.
02:16:36.000 And so, yeah, there's a famous puzzle about this, and I think it goes something like, a hunter walks, you know, 10 feet south and then 10 feet east and 10 feet north, and he's back where he began,
02:16:52.000 what color was the bear he shot.
02:16:55.000 And the answer is white, because he's clearly at the North Pole.
02:16:58.000 That's the only way you could do that walking.
02:17:01.000 Like, go south, go east, go north, and you're back where you started.
02:17:04.000 It would have to be at the North Pole.
02:17:06.000 Right, but how could there not be an east?
02:17:08.000 Because if you're standing, let's say you're standing at the very point of the North Pole, the very top.
02:17:13.000 If you travel east...
02:17:15.000 You can't.
02:17:16.000 You have to go south a little bit first before you could go east.
02:17:21.000 You couldn't just go sideways?
02:17:23.000 Wouldn't that take you?
02:17:24.000 No, that would be north.
02:17:25.000 Oh, I see.
02:17:26.000 Oh, I see what you're saying.
02:17:27.000 I'm saying, yeah, like east-west requires a circle.
02:17:30.000 How far would you have to go, though, before you could go east?
02:17:32.000 A step?
02:17:33.000 Yeah, we'd have to define what's the smallest amount of distance you could travel and still say that you moved.
02:17:40.000 Hmm.
02:17:41.000 Yeah, because, like, I would say an inch or less.
02:17:44.000 Like, the tiniest amount, and then you can go east.
02:17:46.000 Yeah.
02:17:47.000 I mean, if we measure millimeters...
02:17:50.000 And how precisely are we measuring the point that is the north or south pole?
02:17:55.000 Because if you're on that point, your body's already bigger than the point.
02:17:58.000 Right.
02:17:59.000 But you need to get away from it so that you can go around.
02:18:03.000 What's going to happen?
02:18:04.000 Maybe you can answer this, maybe you can't.
02:18:06.000 What is going to happen if the poles shift?
02:18:09.000 Right.
02:18:09.000 I don't know.
02:18:09.000 I haven't actually read a lot about what that could cause.
02:18:12.000 It could be like a Y2K thing where it's like no one even notices and they're like, oh.
02:18:16.000 But it could also mess stuff up, I guess.
02:18:20.000 I don't know.
02:18:21.000 What about animals that can detect magnetic fields and use it to navigate?
02:18:26.000 Are they going to be all freaked out?
02:18:27.000 What animals do that?
02:18:29.000 Some migratory birds do.
02:18:31.000 That's what they do?
02:18:32.000 They detect magnetic fields?
02:18:33.000 Yeah, I think so.
02:18:34.000 What the fuck?
02:18:35.000 Rather than having the same five typical senses we have, they've got one for magnets.
02:18:40.000 How bizarre.
02:18:42.000 Yeah.
02:18:43.000 How is that even possible that they have a magnet in their head?
02:18:47.000 That's what woodsmen always talk about, like real outdoorsmen, the true north, like having a good compass.
02:18:55.000 And also they use it as sort of an analogy to morals.
02:18:58.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
02:18:59.000 The ability to understand true north.
02:19:01.000 You know, this moral compass that they have.
02:19:03.000 It's very similar to the compass that an animal must have, or a bird.
02:19:07.000 There are also cultures that don't have words for left and right.
02:19:12.000 Everything is just a north, south, east, or west.
02:19:16.000 Really?
02:19:16.000 Yeah.
02:19:17.000 So you would never say, hey, could you give me that thing that's on your left?
02:19:20.000 You would say, oh, could you give me that thing that's south of you?
02:19:23.000 What cultures are those?
02:19:24.000 I think it's an aboriginal culture in Australia.
02:19:27.000 And so this falls into the Sapir-Worth hypothesis that the words that you have change how you can think.
02:19:34.000 And if you lived in a culture that did not have a word for left and right, are you less individualistic?
02:19:41.000 Right.
02:19:49.000 Right.
02:19:59.000 Talk about things in the environment.
02:20:01.000 That's fascinating because left and right we associate with handedness.
02:20:04.000 Yeah.
02:20:05.000 Whereas east and west is circum...
02:20:07.000 Or, you know, position on the map.
02:20:08.000 East is always east no matter which way I face.
02:20:10.000 But left, my left is changing.
02:20:13.000 But if you're facing...
02:20:15.000 If you're talking about stage right, would you talk about west?
02:20:19.000 Or would you talk about east?
02:20:22.000 Uh...
02:20:23.000 Oh, well, it would depend which way the stage was built.
02:20:27.000 Well, like, say, well, stage is a weird, like, say, if you were in a building.
02:20:32.000 Yeah.
02:20:32.000 And then I said, hey, man, go east.
02:20:35.000 Would you need a compass?
02:20:37.000 No, like, they just always know which way north is.
02:20:42.000 Because it's so important.
02:20:43.000 They don't have a word for left and right.
02:20:45.000 Right.
02:20:45.000 I don't know how to answer this one, but how do you describe left and right?
02:20:51.000 To someone who has never heard of those concepts.
02:20:54.000 Well, I try to with my kids.
02:20:56.000 You know, I have a six-year-old and a four-year-old.
02:20:59.000 And I try to describe left and right.
02:21:01.000 And my daughter, one of the ways that I... I mean, this doesn't make any sense other than showing her.
02:21:09.000 Right.
02:21:10.000 I say, make the letter L with your hand.
02:21:14.000 Right.
02:21:14.000 And the one that looks like an L is your left.
02:21:15.000 Yeah.
02:21:16.000 No.
02:21:16.000 The one that points, like say, is it pointing?
02:21:20.000 This is what I say.
02:21:21.000 If you're looking at me, and you're writing, say you're writing the name of Laura, where's your thumb pointing?
02:21:29.000 That's pointing towards your left.
02:21:31.000 And if you hold your hand up and your hand makes an L, see where your index finger, that's the left.
02:21:37.000 That's the left, yeah.
02:21:37.000 So this one's pointing to the left, this one is the left.
02:21:40.000 But you've got to make sure that you're not looking at your hands with palms facing you because then the L is made by the right hand.
02:21:47.000 Yeah.
02:21:47.000 So if you hold your hand up, I guess, and that is the L, like it forms it, that's the one that is the L. So if you hold your hand up and you see an L in front of you, that's the left.
02:21:58.000 Right.
02:22:00.000 And if it's holding your other hand up and it's making an L to the other person.
02:22:04.000 But that's confusing.
02:22:05.000 Get a little kid to write on a window.
02:22:08.000 Like Steamy, if they're taking a shower.
02:22:12.000 Write your name so that I can read it.
02:22:14.000 Do they get that?
02:22:15.000 No.
02:22:16.000 They always write it the wrong way.
02:22:18.000 And then you've got to show them how to do it the other way.
02:22:20.000 And they go, okay.
02:22:21.000 But it's so squirrely in their head.
02:22:23.000 It's like, oh!
02:22:25.000 I find that stuff fascinating, how kids have to develop some of these ideas about the world, like the old constancy of volume, or what is it really called?
02:22:47.000 Yeah.
02:22:49.000 Yeah.
02:22:49.000 Yeah.
02:22:54.000 Yeah.
02:22:58.000 Look this up on YouTube.
02:22:59.000 They show an experiment where you take two different size containers.
02:23:04.000 One's really tall and skinny and one's short and fat.
02:23:07.000 And the tall skinny one's full of water.
02:23:09.000 And then they pour the water into the other container and they're like, which one has more water?
02:23:13.000 Like, which one's bigger now?
02:23:15.000 And clearly the same amount of water is still there.
02:23:18.000 You just saw them pour the water.
02:23:19.000 No water was taken away.
02:23:21.000 But a kid doesn't get that yet.
02:23:23.000 They think that, oh, well, it's not nearly as tall, this other glass, so there must be less water.
02:23:28.000 And they'll grill the kid, like, well, where'd the water go?
02:23:30.000 And the kid won't even know, but will insist that there's less water now, because it looks smaller.
02:23:37.000 Is that a perception thing, like an animal thing, like larger, taller things are more dangerous?
02:23:42.000 Yeah, I'm sure, I'm sure that it's like, that's what matters, and it takes a while to understand the less needed for survival things.
02:23:58.000 Yeah.
02:23:59.000 Yeah.
02:24:00.000 Yeah.
02:24:11.000 And they tell people, like if you encounter certain animals, like mountain lions, you should make yourself look bigger.
02:24:18.000 Like wave your arms, get larger.
02:24:20.000 If you have someone with you, like a child, put them on your shoulder.
02:24:24.000 Wow.
02:24:25.000 And make it look like it's a bigger thing.
02:24:27.000 Right.
02:24:27.000 Yeah.
02:24:28.000 Like appear more of a larger scale.
02:24:31.000 And that tricks the animal.
02:24:33.000 Yeah.
02:24:33.000 They're dumb as shit.
02:24:34.000 Yeah.
02:24:35.000 They're dumber than kids.
02:24:36.000 Well, it's fun to watch these kid experiments because you're like, oh, wow, kids are dumb.
02:24:41.000 They think that, you know, this is...
02:24:44.000 Any idiot could tell you Well, it's not that they're dumb.
02:24:48.000 It's that they haven't come across this problem yet to solve, so they don't have the data yet.
02:24:52.000 Exactly.
02:24:53.000 There's a difference between dumb and a lack of data.
02:24:56.000 When you have a person and they're 50 years old and they still think that the world is flat and they still think the Earth is 6,000 years old and they still think, well, that's a dumb person.
02:25:06.000 That's like the data they've processed.
02:25:09.000 They've been exposed to the evidence.
02:25:10.000 They've been exposed to 50 years of Western civilization And their perceptions of life are insane.
02:25:17.000 Given the data that's available, that's a dumb person.
02:25:20.000 But a baby is just this bundle of potential that doesn't have any data yet.
02:25:25.000 And so they're just acting on what seems to make sense from an evolutionary standpoint or from a genetic standpoint.
02:25:34.000 They're animal instincts.
02:25:37.000 Very bizarre, the idea.
02:25:40.000 Also, the idea that this is all changing and growing, and then your children will have the benefit of the information that you've accumulated over your life, like through epigenetics, and it's going to somehow or another pass to your children.
02:25:55.000 I don't know about that.
02:25:56.000 I don't know about that either.
02:25:58.000 Hmm.
02:25:59.000 Well, they say that certain things like even racism can be passed down to children.
02:26:04.000 You mean genetically?
02:26:05.000 Genetically.
02:26:06.000 Chemically.
02:26:07.000 Yeah, I haven't seen a lot of evidence for that kind of stuff, but there was a famous experiment where a guy taught worms to move through a maze and then he like ground them up and fed them to some other worms.
02:26:18.000 And those worms knew how to solve the maze without having to be taught.
02:26:22.000 But it's never been replicated.
02:26:23.000 But wouldn't that be cool if we found out that there was a chemical basis for memory?
02:26:28.000 That would be amazing.
02:26:29.000 Yeah.
02:26:29.000 Well, they have shown that they've taken, I believe it was mice, and they used a certain smell.
02:26:38.000 And when that certain smell was introduced to the mice, they gave them a chemical shock.
02:26:43.000 Or they gave them an electrical shock on their feet.
02:26:45.000 And the children of those mice, when exposed to that smell, like a citrusy smell, they would have a panic attack.
02:26:52.000 Really?
02:26:53.000 They would have this panicky moment where they anticipated being shocked.
02:26:56.000 Huh.
02:26:57.000 Because it was programmed to their DNA that that smell equals danger.
02:27:01.000 That smell equals pain or discomfort.
02:27:04.000 Right.
02:27:06.000 Yeah.
02:27:06.000 So that's different than just natural selection, where you say, well, the mice that just naturally didn't like that smell were the ones that lived longer, procreated more, and so that's why...
02:27:16.000 Well, I think that's probably true as well.
02:27:19.000 Yeah.
02:27:20.000 I think it's one of those things like when we're talking about conspiracies.
02:27:22.000 You know, well, people, can it just be a random coincidence?
02:27:25.000 Yes, it can be.
02:27:26.000 But there's also evidence that people conspire.
02:27:29.000 Right.
02:27:29.000 So there's both.
02:27:30.000 And we have this tendency to want to wrap things up in a nice, neat little bow.
02:27:34.000 So the concept of natural selection, well, there's natural selection.
02:27:38.000 This is very simple to explain.
02:27:40.000 It's natural selection.
02:27:41.000 No, natural selection is a factor.
02:27:43.000 That's also a factor.
02:27:44.000 It's not like it's non-existent.
02:27:46.000 No, that happens as well.
02:27:48.000 But then there's also this weirdness.
02:27:49.000 There's this weirdness where information is transferred.
02:27:52.000 Right.
02:27:53.000 I've done jujitsu since 1996 is when I started.
02:27:59.000 And I've also been a commentator for more than a thousand professional fights.
02:28:05.000 I've probably seen more mixed martial arts fights than most of the population ever will.
02:28:11.000 In real life, too.
02:28:14.000 And my kids, when I watch them roll around, when I watch them play, especially my youngest, she has instinctive moves that I don't think are natural moves.
02:28:25.000 Like, when they're rolling around, there's a thing called the over-under, and it's what you do when you take someone's back.
02:28:33.000 Taking someone's back is you gain an advantageous position by being behind them and controlling their body in a way that they can't attack you, but you can attack them.
02:28:40.000 You're forced into a very defensive position, and they're in a very dominant spot.
02:28:43.000 And the over-under is one arm over a shoulder, one arm under the armpit, and you clasp your hands together, and it's a very dominant mode of control.
02:28:52.000 But I don't think it's instinctual, but my daughter goes to it immediately.
02:28:57.000 When my daughter, who was three at the time, when she was rolling around playing on the bed with my five-year-old, she would go over-under all the time, and then she would throw her legs around and get her hooks in.
02:29:10.000 Huh.
02:29:10.000 Like, instinctually.
02:29:12.000 Without being taught.
02:29:12.000 I didn't teach her to do it.
02:29:13.000 These are like traditional jiu-jitsu positions.
02:29:16.000 And I think that it's in her DNA. I really do.
02:29:19.000 I watch her tick the mount.
02:29:21.000 I watch her, like, go from side control to the mount.
02:29:24.000 She slid her knee across the belly.
02:29:26.000 She did it, like, jiu-jitsu style.
02:29:28.000 Like, I don't think that that's a natural thing to have, like, for a baby to have.
02:29:33.000 To do some more experiments.
02:29:34.000 Yeah.
02:29:34.000 Take a look at her genome.
02:29:36.000 I really think that it's instinctual.
02:29:38.000 And also, I'm teaching them striking and the way they learn it.
02:29:42.000 They're learning it like they already knew it.
02:29:44.000 It's really weird.
02:29:45.000 They're like pivoting off the ball of their feet and throwing their weight into things.
02:29:49.000 It seems totally natural to them.
02:29:51.000 It's very strange.
02:29:52.000 I think if you catch people young enough, they're still plastic enough that they'll just get it.
02:29:57.000 Like language, for instance.
02:29:58.000 I learned English.
02:30:00.000 How long did it take me to learn English?
02:30:03.000 How long?
02:30:04.000 Maybe two years?
02:30:05.000 Until you started talking?
02:30:06.000 Yeah.
02:30:06.000 Like, when was I fluent enough?
02:30:07.000 Someone would say, like, yeah, you'd pass a test.
02:30:10.000 Well, there's also a weird thing where people say that their youngest learns quicker.
02:30:15.000 Because the youngest is around only adults.
02:30:18.000 So the youngest is sort of, like, forced to try to be the things that they're around.
02:30:23.000 Interesting, yeah.
02:30:24.000 Whereas...
02:30:24.000 The oldest has younger people around.
02:30:26.000 Exactly.
02:30:27.000 Whereas if you're, not the youngest, I mean like the firstborn.
02:30:32.000 Right.
02:30:32.000 Not the youngest, I should say.
02:30:33.000 Learns quickest.
02:30:35.000 Whereas the ones that are born later, they have all these little people that talk, you know, like babies around.
02:30:42.000 Ah, I get it.
02:30:42.000 It takes them a little longer to figure out how to communicate like an adult.
02:30:46.000 Yeah.
02:30:47.000 The firstborn was like, oh, I'm the only kid here.
02:30:51.000 Yeah.
02:30:52.000 Pick it up.
02:30:53.000 Yeah, you have to be like, you have to imitate your atmosphere.
02:30:56.000 Yeah.
02:30:57.000 Were you a firstborn?
02:30:59.000 Do you have siblings?
02:31:00.000 Yes.
02:31:00.000 I have a younger sister.
02:31:02.000 Okay.
02:31:02.000 Me too.
02:31:03.000 I have a younger sister.
02:31:04.000 Dude, we're alike.
02:31:05.000 Wow.
02:31:07.000 Crazy.
02:31:08.000 We're probably the only ones.
02:31:09.000 Probably the only two guys who have younger sisters.
02:31:12.000 Who would have thought?
02:31:14.000 Yeah.
02:31:15.000 Yeah.
02:31:16.000 I'm going to have to pee again.
02:31:17.000 This is incredible.
02:31:19.000 You can do it.
02:31:19.000 Yeah, I can do it?
02:31:20.000 Yeah, go ahead.
02:31:20.000 Go pee.
02:31:21.000 You promise you're not going to judge me when I leave and say, look at that guy.
02:31:24.000 He just can't even...
02:31:25.000 Dude, I think you're awesome.
02:31:26.000 He's a slave to his bladder.
02:31:27.000 If I judge you, it'll be highly good.
02:31:29.000 Okay, good, good.
02:31:29.000 Excellent.
02:31:30.000 So we only have about 15 minutes left anyway before we turn into a pumpkin.
02:31:35.000 This is a fascinating conversation.
02:31:37.000 And if you're high as fuck right now, I'm sorry.
02:31:39.000 I'm sorry for freaking you out, man.
02:31:42.000 I'm sorry.
02:31:42.000 These kind of conversations are always really cool though.
02:31:45.000 Whenever you're involved in a conversation where you're sitting with someone who you've never talked to before and you start going over weird shit like genetics and what causes a person to be this and that and what are the steps that you take to become a human being and It's also a rudimentary knowledge of how...
02:32:09.000 When he was talking about...
02:32:11.000 We were talking about learned things and how much of it is natural selection.
02:32:17.000 And then you find out things like the mouse test, where they know that mice associate that sense of smell, that smelling that thing, with an electrical shock, even though these mice have never experienced that electrical shock.
02:32:29.000 It was their parents doing it.
02:32:30.000 That's pretty clear evidence that there's something being transmitted through genetics.
02:32:35.000 Whatever it is, they don't know.
02:32:37.000 But we'll know someday.
02:32:39.000 Someday we'll be like, oh, well that's, yeah, they definitely, like we've found, we've isolated the genes that cause people to transmit certain bits of information to their children that are useful.
02:32:50.000 Like right now, we're not much different than the people that we mock from a long time ago that thought that the Earth was the center of the universe, you know?
02:33:00.000 Like, the amount of information that we have, I was just saying that As you're back from your potty break.
02:33:08.000 Ah, I feel so much better.
02:33:09.000 I'm sure.
02:33:10.000 The amount of information that we have today is kind of akin to, like, we mock people that lived in Galileo's time for not knowing that he was correct, that the Earth was not the center of the universe.
02:33:22.000 You know, we're like, God, I have to torture the poor guy.
02:33:26.000 Or Bruno for saying that the universe is infinite.
02:33:30.000 They burned him alive.
02:33:32.000 Right, right.
02:33:32.000 And we think, God, they're so stupid.
02:33:34.000 But what we know now...
02:33:37.000 Whenever you're alive, at that point in time is the greatest moment of knowledge in human history.
02:33:44.000 Yeah, it is, right?
02:33:45.000 Yeah.
02:33:46.000 And you think, oh, wow, I'm so glad I'm here and not in the past.
02:33:50.000 Well, not giving and taking collapses of civilizations, which is another story entirely.
02:33:54.000 Well, yeah, it's a little more complicated, but yeah.
02:33:57.000 But yeah, it's not linear entirely, but it's kind of like an up and down, and it's progressive.
02:34:02.000 So at this point in time, we're talking about information being transferred from parents to children, and we're like, I wonder, I wonder, maybe natural selection?
02:34:11.000 But we don't know.
02:34:12.000 One day, whether it's a thousand years from now or whatever it is, they're going to go, oh, those dummies, they didn't even know.
02:34:17.000 I know.
02:34:18.000 Look at this.
02:34:18.000 We've got audio recording of Michael Stevens saying...
02:34:21.000 I don't know.
02:34:21.000 I think so.
02:34:23.000 Maybe natural selection.
02:34:24.000 And they're like, that idiot.
02:34:26.000 Yeah, fucking Prince.
02:34:27.000 He thinks that they're spraying shit over the ghetto and making people fight.
02:34:32.000 Duh.
02:34:33.000 But, you know, it's just one of those things.
02:34:37.000 Information progresses.
02:34:38.000 We'll find out.
02:34:40.000 This lava lamp, by the way, is huge that's in this room.
02:34:43.000 It takes a long time to warm up, huh?
02:34:45.000 Yeah, well, this podcast is almost three hours old.
02:34:47.000 And, Jamie, you probably switched it on a half hour before the show.
02:34:51.000 Yeah.
02:34:51.000 Takes a few hours.
02:34:52.000 But look at the little one.
02:34:54.000 Little one's up and cooking.
02:34:55.000 That's cooking really well.
02:34:56.000 Wow.
02:34:57.000 Yeah.
02:34:57.000 That's a great lava lamp.
02:34:58.000 This big one...
02:34:59.000 Never really gets going.
02:35:01.000 We need to shut...
02:35:02.000 You have to leave it on all day.
02:35:03.000 Yeah, but then shit could go wrong.
02:35:04.000 Yeah.
02:35:05.000 We had one that had a crack in it.
02:35:07.000 Oh.
02:35:07.000 Yeah.
02:35:08.000 We noticed it.
02:35:09.000 We're like, is that a crack?
02:35:10.000 Then we had to like...
02:35:11.000 Lava lamps are used to generate random numbers, and they can generate them very, very well.
02:35:16.000 They're very difficult to find patterns in.
02:35:21.000 I don't know how they do it, but they'll look at the shapes and movement of a lava lamp, and that'll generate numbers, and they don't have patterns in them.
02:35:30.000 Really?
02:35:31.000 Yeah.
02:35:31.000 So, you know, you can go to like random.org.
02:35:34.000 I just did an episode on what really is random.
02:35:36.000 And random.org uses atmospheric noise, just noise in the atmosphere like radio static to generate numbers.
02:35:43.000 Pretty good.
02:35:43.000 Lava lamps, there used to be a website that had a lava lamp and you would type in, give me a random number, and it would, based on the state of the lava lamp, give you a random number.
02:35:53.000 So if you watched a lava lamp, so if we had that lava lamp on and we maintained the same amount of heat coming off of the light bulb and the same water temperature and the wax.
02:36:02.000 Yeah, but you don't though.
02:36:03.000 That's what makes it so random.
02:36:05.000 The initial conditions are so difficult to know precisely enough to predict which way it's going to float.
02:36:12.000 We only know the temperature to a few degrees or a tenth of a degree, but that millionth of a degree difference is what's going to make it move now rather than in the next second.
02:36:24.000 Would it be possible to make an ultimate lava lamp that was incredibly precise?
02:36:28.000 So the amount of heat that comes off of the bulb was really precise.
02:36:34.000 The temperature of the water was incredibly stable.
02:36:37.000 The consistency of the wax was uniform throughout and that you set this like perfectly measured lava lamp with the glass being the exact same diameter or the exact same thickness rather over the entire circumference of the bottle that holds the water and the wax in.
02:36:57.000 Would it be possible to make an ultimate precise lava lamp?
02:37:01.000 Well, you could predict it better.
02:37:04.000 I still don't think that it would be precise like symmetric all the time unless you put in special controls that like didn't release the wax until it was ready or whatever.
02:37:12.000 Is it the wax moving up and down through the water which changes the temperature of the wax because it's not in contact with the heat at the bottom?
02:37:24.000 Are you asking what makes it so unpredictable?
02:37:27.000 Yeah.
02:37:27.000 Yeah, it's just like every little movement of those blobs is affecting all the other molecules inside that system, and those are affecting how something moves later.
02:37:35.000 It's like a butterfly flapping its wings causing a tornado in Brazil, you know.
02:37:39.000 Yeah, but that doesn't really work that way.
02:37:41.000 That's sort of dopey.
02:37:42.000 I hate that butterfly, the butterfly flapping the wings of a butterfly.
02:37:46.000 It'd eventually lead to be a hurricane.
02:37:47.000 No, it can't really.
02:37:49.000 No, it's true.
02:37:50.000 Weather patterns that cause that.
02:37:52.000 Right.
02:37:53.000 We're not going to be able to know, like, hey, have that butterfly flap its wings, it'll cause a tornado.
02:37:57.000 Right.
02:37:57.000 It's just the point is that that little difference in initial conditions could result in a completely, dramatically different outcome.
02:38:05.000 Right.
02:38:06.000 You can do this with a double pendulum and it's pretty insane.
02:38:09.000 You put two pendulums up and you release them and it feels like you dropped them from the same place.
02:38:14.000 You can use a robot to do this and everything, but after just a few seconds they're both spinning completely differently from one another.
02:38:22.000 It doesn't mean that the butterfly will always be causing tornadoes, it just means that You have no idea how many variables are involved.
02:38:31.000 And one little thing changes another little thing, and that can cause an end result that is way bigger.
02:38:37.000 Way more different than if the butterfly hadn't flapped its wings.
02:38:41.000 Really?
02:38:42.000 So a butterfly flapping its wings really can put into motion a chain of events that could lead to a changing of a weather pattern.
02:38:51.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.
02:38:52.000 Really?
02:38:52.000 Yeah.
02:38:53.000 What does a butterfly affect when it flaps its wings?
02:38:55.000 Well, this is more of like a...
02:38:57.000 Yeah.
02:38:58.000 This isn't like we've studied it and we found a butterfly and we blamed him for Hurricane Sandy.
02:39:03.000 Fucking butterfly.
02:39:04.000 Yeah.
02:39:04.000 It's more like...
02:39:06.000 The principle is that that little tiny movement of air caused some larger mass of air to actually move a bit more.
02:39:18.000 And this all stair steps up.
02:39:22.000 To the point where the hurricane could happen.
02:39:25.000 Another example would be knowing the position of the Earth in billions of years, or just millions of years, hundreds of thousands.
02:39:31.000 We can only really predict where it's going to be and where all the other planets will be so far into the future.
02:39:38.000 And even though those systems are pretty, you know, it's going in a circle around the Sun.
02:39:43.000 Like, that's it, right?
02:39:44.000 We should be able to guess, right?
02:39:45.000 But at a certain point, we don't know, we don't have enough information.
02:39:50.000 Just launching a satellite causes the Earth to spin a little more slowly, changes its position a little bit more.
02:39:58.000 Really?
02:39:58.000 Just the idea of something pushing off?
02:40:01.000 Yeah.
02:40:02.000 Neil deGrasse Tyson did a great calculation in his book...
02:40:07.000 Death by Black Hole, I think, where he says, yeah, just what it took to send up that satellite that never comes back down means that Earth is going to be a few degrees in some different direction in a million years.
02:40:22.000 And we don't know which direction that's going to be unless we have an incredible amount of information about that satellite and how it affected Earth when it left.
02:40:33.000 So every single piece plays a part.
02:40:38.000 Every single variable, every movement plays a part in the ultimate end result.
02:40:43.000 Totally, yeah.
02:40:44.000 And that's what makes the weather so difficult to predict.
02:40:47.000 And a lava lamp.
02:40:49.000 Butterflies and shit.
02:40:50.000 Lava lamps.
02:40:51.000 And lightning storms, yeah.
02:40:52.000 Wow.
02:40:55.000 You know what always trips me out?
02:40:56.000 That ancient people were able to figure out the procession of the equinoxes.
02:41:01.000 Right.
02:41:02.000 Like every day they were just like checking like, yeah, yeah, same time of day.
02:41:07.000 Somehow I knew that it was the same time of day and I marked it.
02:41:10.000 Or maybe, what do they do?
02:41:11.000 They just watch and see where the sun was when it was at its highest point, make a little mark somehow, and then they realize, hey, it's going in this like loop thing.
02:41:20.000 Well, not only that, the loop isn't in, like, thousands of years.
02:41:24.000 Like, the wobble, the full wobble of the Earth.
02:41:26.000 Oh, right, right, right.
02:41:27.000 Like, what is the amount of time?
02:41:28.000 I don't know, actually.
02:41:29.000 It's a really long amount of time.
02:41:32.000 Yeah.
02:41:32.000 Let's see, the procession of the equinoxes.
02:41:35.000 Procession...
02:41:41.000 I want to say it's thousands of years, but I don't remember the exact.
02:41:45.000 26,000 year cycle.
02:41:47.000 Wow.
02:41:47.000 So they figured out a 26,000 year cycle.
02:41:51.000 Pretty good measurement.
02:41:52.000 How the fuck did they do that?
02:41:55.000 To see a change year to year that was just one 26,000th.
02:41:59.000 That's one of the ways that a lot of these revisionists of ancient Egyptian history point to the possibility, besides the erosion of the Sphinx, point to the possibility that the Sphinx is far older than we think it is,
02:42:15.000 is that at 10,500 BC, it was pointing towards the constellation Leo.
02:42:21.000 This lion was representative of this constellation that has sort of been universally described as being associated with a lion because of its shape.
02:42:32.000 This is the reason why they believe that 10,000, besides the fact that there's all this water erosion around the Sphinx, that can only be attributed to thousands of years of rainfall.
02:42:42.000 And the last time there was rainfall in the Nile Valley was 9,000 B.C., Which they think, you know, they think that they want to attribute the Sphinx to the same people that they believe built the pyramids, which is about 2500 BC. But they think that actually there might have been many,
02:43:00.000 many, many older kingdoms.
02:43:03.000 There's hieroglyphs, apparently, that date back to 34,000 BC. I don't know any of this.
02:43:08.000 Yeah, they date back as far as their descriptions, not as far as the actual carbon dating.
02:43:13.000 Oh, I see.
02:43:14.000 And their descriptions of pharaohs go back thousands and thousands of years.
02:43:18.000 Right, okay.
02:43:19.000 And so they get to a certain point in time, the Egyptologists go, well, that was just fiction.
02:43:23.000 Yeah.
02:43:23.000 You know, we believe in Ramses.
02:43:25.000 We believe in, you know, Thutmose.
02:43:27.000 We believe in all these different cats.
02:43:29.000 But this oldest stuff, that was just horseshit.
02:43:31.000 Yeah.
02:43:31.000 That was just horseshit.
02:43:32.000 It was made up.
02:43:33.000 Yeah.
02:43:33.000 But if the revisionist historians are correct...
02:43:38.000 And the geological evidence is really fascinating, especially when it comes to this.
02:43:43.000 Like a guy named Dr. Ron Schock, Robert Schock, from the University, Boston University?
02:43:49.000 Yeah, Boston University.
02:43:50.000 He's a geologist.
02:43:51.000 And he's the one who sort of spearheaded this whole thing about the Sphinx.
02:43:54.000 Because he's a geologist, and he's like, this is clear water erosion around the Sphinx.
02:44:00.000 And they think that if that is the case, then these stones had to be cut way, way earlier than 2,500.
02:44:08.000 Really?
02:44:08.000 I need to look into all this.
02:44:09.000 This sounds fascinating.
02:44:10.000 And this procession of the equinox is this 26,000-year cycle, the wobble.
02:44:14.000 You know, the idea is that the Earth spins, for folks who don't know what we're talking about...
02:44:18.000 It doesn't spin in a perfect circle.
02:44:21.000 It kind of has a little wiggle to it.
02:44:23.000 Sort of like a top.
02:44:25.000 And every 26,000 years, that wiggle's completed.
02:44:28.000 So the sky looks differently through the entire 26,000-year cycle.
02:44:33.000 Right.
02:44:34.000 And that's one of the things that they point to.
02:44:37.000 This constellation, Leo, at 10,500 BC, aligning itself with the Sphinx.
02:44:43.000 Also, coincidentally, the 10,500 BC lines up pretty close to what they believe 12,000 years ago was a massive asteroidal impact all over the Earth, like this nuclear glass.
02:44:56.000 I think it's called tritonite.
02:44:59.000 You know that stuff that they find, they do core samples and they find it at 12,000 years all over the place.
02:45:05.000 It's evidence of a big impact.
02:45:06.000 Not just a big, but multiple.
02:45:09.000 Okay.
02:45:09.000 Meteor impacts, meteor showers that could have led to the extinction of saber-toothed tigers, woolly mammoths, all these different animals that died off at a very similar time period.
02:45:20.000 60%, I think, of all land mammals died off during that one time.
02:45:24.000 Hmm.
02:45:25.000 So what's the theory that humans survived and we didn't have as many predators?
02:45:32.000 No, no.
02:45:33.000 The theory is that just this huge interruption of life, this massive meteor shower that they found all throughout Europe and Asia, this nuclear glass that's very similar to the The type of glass that they find after nuclear detonation tests.
02:45:49.000 That this nuclear glass, which exists all over the place, is indicative of massive impacts.
02:45:55.000 That something happened.
02:45:57.000 And it's not in one spot.
02:45:58.000 It's in multiple spots all over the place at the same time.
02:46:01.000 Much more likely to be a meteor shower than anything else.
02:46:05.000 And that probably was also the cause of the end of the Ice Age.
02:46:10.000 12,000 years ago, more than half of North America was covered in a mile-high sheet of ice.
02:46:18.000 And so they think that what caused that stuff to rapidly change was most likely the same thing that caused this nuclear glass to be all over the place.
02:46:30.000 Right.
02:46:53.000 I'll have to look into these stories.
02:46:54.000 That sounds really interesting, and also it falls right in line with that whole, what do you do when you have to start all over again?
02:47:00.000 How long does it take to get back up to where you were before?
02:47:03.000 Yeah.
02:47:04.000 Well, the idea that it's been a linear progression, complete linear progression, straight line from caveman to us, seems a little silly when you see all the impacts that we know for sure happened.
02:47:15.000 When you look at the Clovis Comet, when you look at all the different...
02:47:19.000 The Holocene crater, all these different impacts that they know happened.
02:47:23.000 They know that this, you know, look at the moon.
02:47:25.000 It's a goddamn shooting gallery.
02:47:27.000 Things happen.
02:47:28.000 And when things do happen, all these stories, like the Noah's Ark story, Epic of Gilgamesh, all the different cataclysmic events that have been documented through folklore, most likely some shit went down.
02:47:41.000 And that's the idea that, that's what freaks me out about hard drives.
02:47:44.000 That's what freaks me out about the idea of everything being stored on computers.
02:47:48.000 Yeah.
02:47:49.000 Yeah.
02:47:51.000 Including this podcast.
02:47:53.000 Including this podcast.
02:47:54.000 Yeah.
02:47:55.000 Imagine if someone had to tell this podcast in an oral tradition.
02:47:59.000 Someone had to take the information that we discussed in this podcast and describe it.
02:48:05.000 Yeah.
02:48:09.000 Because they couldn't play the file.
02:48:11.000 But they heard it before.
02:48:12.000 They heard it before, but they butchered it.
02:48:13.000 It wasn't Prince, it was James Brown.
02:48:16.000 And, you know, all the various things that we talked about get all screwed up.
02:48:22.000 Right.
02:48:23.000 But still attributed to us.
02:48:24.000 Yeah.
02:48:25.000 Yeah, but you would be like some information god from the future.
02:48:28.000 They'd remember the part about you going into the past.
02:48:32.000 And they would butcher that.
02:48:34.000 He who pees a lot.
02:48:35.000 Yeah, yeah.
02:48:36.000 He had a problem with his bladder.
02:48:37.000 They wouldn't forget that part.
02:48:38.000 No.
02:48:41.000 Yeah, if you really stop and think, we're in the process of something.
02:48:45.000 We're right in the middle, or not even.
02:48:50.000 We're in the middle in that it's going on, but it's constantly going on.
02:48:53.000 It was going on when there were single-celled organisms.
02:48:56.000 It was going on when...
02:48:57.000 The star supernova to create carbon, which created carbon-based life, which created us, which created everything that came before us, which is going to create everything that comes from us.
02:49:07.000 Yeah.
02:49:08.000 That would be, if I could see something, I don't think, if I had a choice between going a million years in the future or a million years in the past, just for a visual glimpse.
02:49:18.000 A million years in the past is pretty fascinating, but a million years in the future, to see what a human being looks like a million years from now, that's what I would want.
02:49:27.000 How different would we be?
02:49:29.000 We can change our own bodies a lot more now.
02:49:37.000 And we've made changes unnecessary in a way because we have climate-controlled buildings and we have vehicles and we have medical care that can keep things the way they are.
02:49:54.000 Better than we'd had 3 million years ago.
02:49:57.000 Better than we had 300 years ago.
02:49:59.000 Yeah.
02:50:01.000 So what is a human going to look like in a million years?
02:50:03.000 I would guess...
02:50:06.000 Not that different biologically, but we'll be doing some pretty crazy stuff.
02:50:11.000 I would guess radically different.
02:50:13.000 Yeah?
02:50:13.000 Yeah.
02:50:14.000 I think physically we're very different from people that just lived a couple hundred years ago because of nutrition.
02:50:18.000 Sure.
02:50:19.000 Look at how tiny people were.
02:50:20.000 Yeah.
02:50:20.000 Oh my god.
02:50:21.000 Yeah.
02:50:21.000 That's what's really weird when you see how little folks were.
02:50:24.000 Yeah.
02:50:24.000 Like the average size of people that were fighting in the Civil War was like 125 pounds.
02:50:29.000 Wow.
02:50:29.000 That was an average man.
02:50:30.000 Wow.
02:50:31.000 They were tiny little dudes.
02:50:32.000 Like people are like 80 pounds bigger on average now.
02:50:35.000 Right.
02:50:35.000 Which is really pretty substantial.
02:50:37.000 Yeah.
02:50:38.000 But I think that the real change is going to come with our integration of technology in our lives.
02:50:43.000 Uh-huh.
02:50:44.000 And the symbiotic relationship that we have with this technology, which now you leave your phone behind, you feel naked, eventually it's going to be something much more integrated.
02:50:52.000 Yeah.
02:50:53.000 I think that's where things are going to get really squirrely.
02:50:55.000 I think where people are going to start to become connected inexorably with this technology.
02:51:03.000 Aliens, bro.
02:51:04.000 That's what we're going to look like.
02:51:05.000 We're going to look like aliens to us, yeah.
02:51:08.000 Think about it.
02:51:08.000 We ruin our atmosphere, okay?
02:51:10.000 We have fucking holes in the ozone layer.
02:51:12.000 You need permanent sunglasses.
02:51:14.000 So what are those big black eyes?
02:51:15.000 Those are giant sunglasses that are built into your head.
02:51:18.000 No longer need to move things physically because we can do things with telekinesis.
02:51:24.000 We have giant heads because our brains are going to grow.
02:51:26.000 The same way the human brain size doubled over a period of two million years and, you know...
02:51:32.000 We're good to go.
02:51:52.000 And used to be smaller in other primates.
02:51:56.000 And whatever we became, you know, however we became people, that doubling of the human brain size is a massive mystery, right?
02:52:05.000 Aliens.
02:52:06.000 We're going to look like aliens.
02:52:07.000 We're going to have these big, goofy beach ball heads, little skinny bodies, and we're going to be able to manipulate matter.
02:52:15.000 Boy, this fucking conversation got stupid.
02:52:17.000 I blame me.
02:52:19.000 I think you were responsible for science and I took us to the what if stoner stuff.
02:52:22.000 I was like, what if we wind up looking like aliens?
02:52:26.000 I think if you think about a gorilla or an ape or whatever monkey type animal...
02:52:34.000 We used to be.
02:52:35.000 And this is a big stipulation.
02:52:36.000 People say, oh, you shouldn't say monkeys.
02:52:38.000 You know, people aren't monkeys, they're apes.
02:52:40.000 Actually, no.
02:52:42.000 We're all monkeys.
02:52:43.000 This is how it goes.
02:52:46.000 All apes are monkeys, but not all monkeys are apes.
02:52:51.000 Is that true?
02:52:51.000 I don't know.
02:52:52.000 Yes.
02:52:52.000 Just like, all humans are apes, but not all apes are humans.
02:52:56.000 Monkeys is not a real scientific term.
02:52:58.000 Ah.
02:52:59.000 So when you say something's a monkey, like, oh, monkeys have tails.
02:53:03.000 No, monkeys aren't even real.
02:53:04.000 They're simians.
02:53:05.000 So people who are anal and correct you on that, tell them to fuck off.
02:53:11.000 Fuck off, grammar police.
02:53:13.000 You're incorrect.
02:53:14.000 I like that.
02:53:15.000 It's like, is a...
02:53:19.000 What's a vegetable, scientifically?
02:53:22.000 Because really, I think vegetable is just a made-up word for any other part of the plant.
02:53:26.000 Anything's a vegetable that's not a fruit.
02:53:29.000 Really?
02:53:30.000 Yeah, because fruit has a scientific definition, right?
02:53:34.000 It bears the seeds and it contains the energy the seeds need.
02:53:39.000 But a vegetable is just...
02:53:42.000 You know, it's the root in some cases, it's the leaves in another case, it's the trunk in another case.
02:53:47.000 What you eat is the vegetable, right?
02:53:49.000 Vegetable matter, plant matter.
02:53:51.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
02:53:52.000 So again, it's like...
02:53:55.000 I can't tell you whether it's a vegetable or not.
02:53:57.000 It's up to what the chefs say.
02:53:59.000 Like tomatoes.
02:54:01.000 Yeah.
02:54:01.000 They're fruits.
02:54:03.000 Bananas are fruits, but modern bananas don't have seeds and they're not fertile.
02:54:09.000 They're not going to grow you a banana tree.
02:54:11.000 So should we still call it a fruit?
02:54:12.000 Well, from a culinary perspective, it's pretty fruity.
02:54:15.000 So we'll call it a fruit.
02:54:18.000 It's fascinating stuff.
02:54:20.000 We're out of time.
02:54:21.000 We could do this forever, though.
02:54:22.000 I think you and I can have these conversations until our heads explode.
02:54:25.000 Yeah, I think so.
02:54:26.000 Until we become aliens.
02:54:27.000 Until my bladder explodes.
02:54:28.000 Yeah, your bladder's not that good, dude.
02:54:30.000 But you drank two big things of water while you're sitting there.
02:54:32.000 Yeah, I know.
02:54:33.000 Come on, give me some credit.
02:54:34.000 Like, I had both of those.
02:54:36.000 And I had one before we even started.
02:54:39.000 I'm a hydrated guy.
02:54:40.000 It's very good to be.
02:54:41.000 You're very smart.
02:54:42.000 It's good to be.
02:54:43.000 This morning my urine was a bit dark.
02:54:46.000 So I was like, nope, gotta drink some water.
02:54:49.000 Were you flying in?
02:54:50.000 No, I've been here for a few days.
02:54:52.000 Were you boozing it up?
02:54:53.000 No.
02:54:54.000 Were you drinking a lot of coffee?
02:54:55.000 Yeah.
02:54:56.000 That could be it.
02:54:57.000 Yeah.
02:54:57.000 Energy drinks, too.
02:54:58.000 Those can really...
02:54:59.000 Those will fuck you up.
02:55:00.000 Those will really dehydrate and...
02:55:02.000 Those aren't good.
02:55:03.000 Those make me pee more than anything.
02:55:04.000 I could drink coffee and be fine, but if I drink one Red Bull, I gotta pee.
02:55:08.000 Yeah.
02:55:10.000 Fascinating.
02:55:10.000 People don't care about my pee.
02:55:12.000 Listen, you're...
02:55:12.000 But they do care about mine.
02:55:14.000 Your YouTube channel is awesome, and it's been an honor to have you on the show, man.
02:55:18.000 I really, really appreciate it.
02:55:19.000 Hey, thanks.
02:55:19.000 It's really cool talking to you.
02:55:21.000 It's an honor to be here.
02:55:22.000 And I just think it's so cool...
02:55:24.000 That something like, what color is a mirror, has 10 million views on YouTube.
02:55:30.000 Yeah, and that's not like a stand-up routine.
02:55:33.000 No.
02:55:33.000 I really do get into the physics of reflection and why the answer is kind of green.
02:55:41.000 It's an amazing YouTube channel, and I found it out because of someone from Twitter.
02:55:46.000 So whoever you were on Twitter that turned me on to Michael, thank you so much.
02:55:52.000 Because I've learned a lot and been entertained and educated by your videos, and I think everybody else should as well.
02:55:58.000 So it's Vsauce, V-S-A-U-C-E on Twitter, and it's TweetSauce.
02:56:05.000 TweetSauce on Twitter, Vsauce on YouTube.
02:56:07.000 Excuse me, yeah.
02:56:08.000 Vsauce on YouTube, TweetSauce on Twitter.
02:56:11.000 Michael Stevens, thank you, sir.
02:56:12.000 Thank you very much.
02:56:13.000 It's been a pleasure.
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02:56:48.000 And that's it.
02:56:50.000 Until then, enjoy your life, my friends.
02:56:52.000 Big kiss.